KHC 219 - Christine Drazan

Christine Drazan - American politician who currently serves as a member of the Oregon State Senate, representing District 26. A prominent member of the Republican Party, she is the 2026 Republican nominee for Governor of Oregon. Christine Drazan represents a mainstream conservative platform focused on economic relief, public safety, and government accountability, serving as the prominent Republican challenger to Democratic governance in Oregon. Follow Christine: https://www.instagram.com/christine4oregon Enter to WIN a Bear Hunt with the Rivets: https://cameronhanes.com/pages/bear-hunt-giveaway New Merch: https://cameronhanes.com/collections/new-gear Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Why Christine is Running for Governor 00:09:26 – Bringing Back Hope for the American Dream 00:14:31 – Oregon’s Weird Political Ideas 00:18:42 – How Politics Affect Regular Citizens 00:24:28 – Governor Tina Kotek’s Vision for the Future 00:29:41 – One More Acre: Protecting Oregon Public Land 00:38:36 – Real Solutions for Real Problems in Oregon 00:42:13 – How Christine Got into Politics 00:47:13 – Hearing for a School Bullying Bill 00:50:47 – Professional Public Presentation 00:56:02 – Lazy Trump Link 01:01:10 – Why Vote for Christine Drazan? Thank you to our sponsors: Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM for 10% off optics Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code CAM for 20% off & Free Shipping Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 15% off

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• 0:00Cameron Hanes?

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• 1:20Cameron Hanes?

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• 2:02Cameron Hanes?

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• 2:45Cameron Hanes?

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• 3:10Cameron Hanes?

  Well, this one is different, guys. I'm with Christine Drazen, and I feel, I'm nervous.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Oh, come on.

• 3:17Cameron Hanes?

  I am nervous. Like, I'm not used to, like, having, like, very important people. You're running to be the next governor of Oregon, the Republican candidate, and it's an honor to have you here. Thank you for coming. How's your day going?

• 3:32Speaker 01

  So, here's the thing. I'm running to serve people. That's just, that's like a long, long job application process I'm in the middle of.

• 3:44Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  And, and I'm excited to be here, and I love your podcast, and honored to be invited. So, thank you for that. Day's gone great. We're heading to an OSU game after this, and a sportsman's fish fry at the end of the night. It's gonna be a great day.

• 4:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's, what a grind. I mean, how many days are we away from the election? I know you know, probably hours.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  I don't know by the hours, but I think today is 16 days away from the election.

• 4:13Cameron Hanes?

  16.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. But honestly, every day is election day at this point, right?

• 4:18Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 4:18Speaker 01

  People have their ballots, people are voting right now. Today's election day, tomorrow's election day, like, let's go.

• 4:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And that's the one thing I want to kick off this podcast with, or this discussion with, is get out and vote. I mean, if you, if you look at the numbers, I don't want to reference my, my notes too much, but there's 3 million registered voters in Oregon. Last time, you ran for governor, the last time too, 2 million people voted. So, we had a million people who could have a say, have a voice, and they chose not to, not to use it.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:51Cameron Hanes?

  All we're saying is, please get out and vote. And for me, in this regard, we haven't had a Republican governor since Vicky T. in the 80s. And he did a lot of great things. You know, we were in a recession back then. He talked about, helped with conservation on the Columbia River, and that was 40-some years ago.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:14Cameron Hanes?

  I believe, like, we deserve another chance, Republicans, but it's like, not even, you're not, not really identifying yourself as a political party, it's just you want to help Oregonians, right? Tell me.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  That's what this is about, yeah.

• 5:28Cameron Hanes?

  Right. So, tell me why you think it's time for you to have the chance to, to lead Oregon, and we're struggling right now.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  We are.

• 5:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Tell me what, what you offer.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  So, I love this place. I mean, I'm, I am, you know, born and raised Oregonian, and we are, we're, we're a little sick right now. We're a little unhealthy. And we need to be able to get healthy again, and get strong again, and start to compete again. And that's just not where we're at right now. And when I look at all of the assets that we have as a state, we have, I mean, there's no place more beautiful in the United States from my perspective. And we have people that are innovative and hardworking and common sense, matter of fact, get after it. And what we're missing right now is good leadership,

• 6:20Speaker 01

  that is willing to say, government isn't the solution to all of our problems, but government has a role, and it's got to do it well. It's got to be efficient, got to be accountable, and it's got to deliver results with, because, I mean, people are working very hard right now. And I think too often, people that are elected office treat taxpayer dollars like we print money in the back. People are sweating and giving up their lives and giving up their time to provide for their families, and we're getting a little bit of that.

• 6:49Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  To provide some public functions that none of us can pay for on our own. I can't afford to pay for my own police force. I can't afford to pay for my own water service and infrastructure and roads. Like, we all band together, and we get, we get these basic core functions of government, some schools, all these things we need. And when government treats that, like, your money is their money.

• 7:14Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  First, and you owe them first, and then your family gets second, third, last.

• 7:21Cameron Hanes?

  Scraps.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  That's the worst.

• 7:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  And that's the way it's been for too long. So, I'm committed to saying, listen, Oregon can be the best place in the nation to live again. We can be proud of our place again. And this can be the best place to work or start a business, and certainly the best place for your kids to get a world-class education, for a person to retire. We just have to rein in government, demand some results, and remember who we are, what we're capable of, and what we're about. I'm super excited to be in a position to remind Oregon that it's possible to write the next great Oregon chapter. And to do that, though, we got to turn the page.

• 7:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I agree. It's, when you talk about the spirit and the people of Oregon, the fabric of Oregon, that is hardworking, blue-collar people. And I know, like, when we talk about the American dream, it's like, we're living it, right? We, we came up, a small town, you were Southern Oregon, I lived outside of town here, but we worked hard to get, to provide, to achieve a dream. You have a dream to be the governor of Oregon. And it's, it's happening. And that dream, we talk about people, like, the Oregon Trail came this way, these are the most resilient, toughest people there are, we made it all the way

• 8:38Cameron Hanes?

  out here, right? And, and that, that is still part of us. And when you talk about that, it's like, that's our people, in my opinion. And Springfield is where I live here. You know, I worked here for 20, 20, I mean, I worked at one job for 26 years, and that was just in construction. And those are the people that I like, think we're fighting for.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 9:03Cameron Hanes?

  And when, when you look at, like, the numbers, say, and we talk about the American dream of owning a home, raising a family, having a dream to achieve.

• 9:14Cameron Hanes?

  Right now, it's really hard for young people to buy a home. In 2023, there was, it went from 53% of people that could afford to buy a home to now to 29%. And if you look at from 2013 to 2022, wages have went up a dollar. Home prices have went up $7.10. We're losing ground, as you said, we're getting scraps. So how can we correct that? How can we, how can we establish it's okay to dream and have this home and raise this family and do that? Cause it seems like it's slipping away.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Well, we do have people in charge right now that are trying to dictate every little piece of what it means to be an Oregonian and live here. And that's expensive. So if they're trying to force an Oregon utopia that's in their own mind, their own vision for things and you and I are paying for it. We can't afford that. But that's what they're doing right now. So if you just look at housing and regulations around housing. I was talking to a builder the other day and it was actually a builder in the Eugene area. And he was saying before he even put a shovel in the ground that he's paying $46,000 per home. Just in the cost of permitting and the bureaucracy and the city and all of it.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  And so what used to be very real constraints from local governments and mandates from Salem on building. It's changed. Now they, now they have to toe the line on what kind of water heater they put in and what kind of windows they put in and what, and what kind of siding we're going to have on that building. And you know, how big it can be and how big the lots can be. And it's just layer upon layer. And on top of it, we're not just going to pay to get the sewer line out to that project. Well, now we're going to also, you know, pay for future development and future growth. And when future growth happens, we're going to charge them too. Even though the capacity is there, we're going to charge them to use part of that capacity that somebody else has already paid for on the last project. Where's it stop?

• 11:17Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 11:17Speaker 01

  We're part of the problem. Like, we're not actually serious about holding down the price of homes. If we're unwilling to recognize at some point, government can't be the only thing that's growing here. And government's growing leaps and bounds here.

• 11:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  And family budgets aren't, and homeownership isn't, to your point. So we have got to, we've got to, you know, kind of let up on the gas a little bit when it comes to what the state is mandating. And for local governments to stop, you know, grabbing as much money out of these projects as they are. And we need people to be able to build. I mean, obviously materials have gone up and labor has gone up, all true. But that's true across the whole nation. Oregon is uniquely expensive.

• 12:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  And we're uniquely expensive because of a whole bunch of mandates we put in because people are saying. We now want a level of energy conservation that I dictate, not what you choose with your builder or what that builder can afford to build for affordable housing for you, market rate affordable housing. But what the state is saying you gotta do. And those are all ideals that I align with, but they all have a cost.

• 12:24Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  And can we continue to assume that, you know, that people shouldn't be able to dream and buy their own first home? We have to bring back first time home buyer programs. Those have kind of gone by the wayside through the years. And so that part of it needs to return. That's how I bought my first home is, you know, I signed up for a first time home buyer program and it helped with my interest rate. It got me into my first home. That's an important moment. But right now, I think your average age to buy a home is 40.

• 12:52Cameron Hanes?

  Ooh.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 12:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  What are we doing?

• 12:56Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  People have roommates until they're 35.

• 12:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  What's happening right now?

• 13:02Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  And so there's a lot of work to be done. We have responsibility for quite a bit of it. And also, uh, we have, we have got to find a balance point between our values and the cost. And we need to give people a lot more choices that they get to make and we need the state to step back some.

• 13:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, I think that's what a lot of people would love to hear and see. I think like, when I think of it is you're so real and you understand the challenges that, that people. You know, just regular, real people, workers face. And, uh, I think sometimes in Oregon especially, we have so many crazy politics that have come up over the years. That I think some people, if they're looking at it objectively, they're just like, what? They, if they're worried about all this crazy stuff, they're not worried about me. You know? And so that's why people don't vote. That's why they see like, you know, banning hunting, fishing and ranching. It's, excuse me?

• 14:04Speaker 01

  In Oregon?

• 14:05Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Or anywhere, but in Oregon?

• 14:07Cameron Hanes?

  Come on. Or legalizing drugs in some ways. And that didn't work. There's been more OD deaths every year, um, since Kotex been in. It's like, so you see these crazy politics and it, and it, people, they're like, okay, this, what is going on in, in government? But you add some realism to it. And how do you think about like, it seems like we've been the Petri dish for just these weird political ideas.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:37Cameron Hanes?

  Where, where does that come from and what do you say about that?

• 14:39Speaker 01

  You know, I do think that outsiders look like, look at Oregon and they say, you know what? That'd be pretty cheap to get something on the ballot there and pretty cheap to buy some ads and try to get that passed there. And that has certainly been the Petri dish you're talking about. Part of it is something we love about our state. You know, we have the, we have direct access to the ballot. Anybody can have a good idea, spend some money, get some signatures, put it in front of the people of the state. You don't have to go through a legislative process. You can get after it yourself.

• 15:09Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 15:10Speaker 01

  That's good if it's not being abused.

• 15:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it makes a difference.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  It's bad if you're somebody from some other state with some crazy idea and you want to use us as your, as your own experiment here. And I would also say that in particular, when we're talking about drug legalization, hard drug legalization. We have a process for when that stuff gets on the ballot. And our Department of Justice completely betrayed the people of this state. I'm just gonna, you, you heard it here first. That original ballot measure, they, they have a ballot title. It's kind of that, it's, it's the short lines that tell us exactly what it does. Maybe that's all we read is the title.

• 15:47Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 15:48Speaker 01

  And going through that process, it's reviewed by the department, our Department of Justice, our Oregon Department of Justice.

• 15:53Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 15:53Speaker 01

  They changed the language to put this idea that it was all about recovery and it was all about services. The original one made it clear that it was legalizing drugs. And they amended it. And what we saw was the amended version and good hearted Oregonians said, I see people all the time that need help. Is money, is money the problem? If this is going to put money towards this problem, I want to help people. The answer is yes. And then later they realized the fine print was, oh, by the way, we're legalizing hard drugs for children as well, for everyone.

• 16:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's nuts.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  It's insane. And now we've taken a half a step back from that and now it's diversion. But it hasn't really solved any of the challenges. We still have some of the worst addiction rates in the nation. We're still not getting, there's not accountability to get people help. That's what we're seeing on our streets. When I think about homelessness, I always, I always say homelessness and addiction and mental health because they're so tied together. And, and, and having legalized public camping and public spaces, like, you know, you have to pay to go camp in a campground. But somebody can camp in a, in a city park for free.

• 16:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  It's insane. And now we have legalized drugs on top of that. So it's, it is, it's killing our quality of life. It's killing our next generation and we gotta stop it. And we can do it in a way that's compassionate and, and accountable to with taxpayer dollars. But right now we're spending billions and all we're doing is building tiny homes and converting hotels. People aren't getting clean. They're not getting restored for their mental health. And until we can put these things together and recognize people need a, a moment of accountability that helps them get into detox or get into rehab. Or a moment of accountability that lets them get into some civil commitment situation done carefully. I understand how, how, you know, that's something that has to be addressed carefully.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  But we can't ignore the fact people can't take care of themselves out there.

• 17:43Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  And they're dying in front of us.

• 17:45Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  And it used to be you'd walk by somebody that had a sign and you would, you know, you know, it would be startling and you'd. Do you need help? What can I do? You know, you would engage and it's everywhere now.

• 17:58Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 17:58Speaker 01

  It's everywhere. Everybody's, everybody's numb to it.

• 18:00Cameron Hanes?

  Mm-hmm. It's, uh, and it, we're numb to it here, but when people come in from out of state like.

• 18:06Speaker 01

  It's jarring.

• 18:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they see like, you guys have so many homeless people. There's so many people holding signs and doing, it's like, we're just, we're kind of used to it.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's terrible to say, but it's true.

• 18:17Cameron Hanes?

  It, it, and something needs to change. And when we talk about change, Kotek the last time, which she hadn't had an opportunity before. So she said, I'm going to do this, this, this. Well, now you've had a few years, right? And all those measurables have gotten worse. So it's like, you had your chance.

• 18:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:37Cameron Hanes?

  It hasn't.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:38Cameron Hanes?

  What she said didn't happen.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  Right, it's gotten worse.

• 18:41Cameron Hanes?

  It's time for something else. And people will say, well, and like, we talked about the people who vote, it's like, how do politics affect my regular life, right? Well, I have a, I have a story. I was just thinking about this. My friend Joe Rogan, you've heard of him. Um, he wanted to buy here and he was, you know, looking at properties to buy. But he just had reservations about it because he said the politics are too crazy there.

• 19:07Speaker 01

  That's heartbreaking.

• 19:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and it's like, you know, he opened a comedy store in Austin, Texas on Sixth Street.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Which is so similar to Portland in so many other ways.

• 19:17Cameron Hanes?

  It is. Well, similar in, in this way, we went and looked at it when he told me he was gonna buy it. And it was boarded up. Is this, or is an old theater, looked kinda cool in a good area, but boarded up, it smelled like urine, right? And we, my family went and walked over there and we're looking at it and I'm like, yeah, this is what Joe's buying and it didn't look great, right? Well, now that whole block is revitalized.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Oh, he had a vision.

• 19:43Cameron Hanes?

  It's vibrant. It's, the comedy mothership is like a hub there and there's restaurants and people and walking the streets and it's incredible. Well, just think, he wanted to buy in Oregon, but the politics turned him away.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:56Cameron Hanes?

  And he said he loves doing comedy in Portland and it just, it sucked, cause he loved to go there. And now you know what it's like. So if you have investors like him, who can change the complexion of downtown, like in Austin, could do it here in Portland, which we have so many vacant office buildings, but you have investors who are hesitant because of how we run our state. Then, we don't, we don't have that development. We don't have the tax base that that brings in. So regular people have to pay more taxes to pay for all these programs. Because we push away people with actually have money that can make a difference and, and build up a community. So how do we fix that?

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's a extraordinary lost opportunity. When Austin gets good folks and we don't, that is a problem. And so I talk about all the time, I mean, we have a reputation problem, which is, you know, Joe saying, hey, I'm not crazy. I'm willing to take a risk, but not a crazy risk.

• 20:56Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Uh, but we also have a regulatory challenge, you know, that we've talked a little bit about in the housing section, but we have the same problem for businesses generally in Oregon. It's a very heavy regulatory burden here. We have a real problem with our tax burden. But in, for downtown Portland in particular, we have to fix all three. We have to be, we have to be open to this idea that what's happening right now is not good enough. We want energy, we want traffic, we want new businesses, we want the vitality that Portland is capable of bringing to our, to our state. And that's not gonna happen unless we get people the help that they need on our streets, have some accountability, so we're not just turning a blind eye.

• 21:37Speaker 01

  And then we need to get real serious about the implications of having, um, and, you know, our urban core be one of the highest taxing districts in the nation. So while he's saying the politics are nuts up there and, you know, we certainly have Democrat Socialists of America on the rise in Oregon. And that doesn't bode well for any of us. There's an awful lot that we can do out of the governor's office to say, hey, Portland, I know that you want all these things from the state. And we're gonna be partners if you clean up your streets, if you fully fund your police. If, you know, I mean, we can't do this thing where we're enabling addiction and we're enabling homelessness and then we say, I don't understand why the problem's not getting any better.

• 22:18Cameron Hanes?

  Right. It's all related.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  It's us. Like, they are handing out pipes and foil and needles outside schools. And they are, you know, handing out tents and then they're pulling back the tents and doing the cleanups. Like, it's us. We're facilitating this.

• 22:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  And so we, we have to fix the quality of life down there. We have to fix community livability. And then we have the structural problems where people are looking at it saying, it doesn't pencil to be down here anymore. The taxes are really high. The regulatory process to get through permitting is insane. Our permitting process should, processes should operate in days, not years. And too often for simple projects, people are saying, listen, it's been two years. This project doesn't pencil anymore. All the costs have gone up. I, I pulled the permit, but I'm not gonna do the deal.

• 23:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  We can't have that happen. We want Joe to come to Portland. And lots of other folks like him. There's opportunity here. I mean, as people are buying buildings in Portland, um, I think we've got a guy named Jeff Swigert that's bought multiple big pink, you know, big buildings in Portland and, and is getting really the value of the decline in value in Portland is, you know, people are scooping up opportunity.

• 23:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  And then they get to be a part of shaping what the comeback looks like.

• 23:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  Like revitalization is gonna happen. I'm, I'm committed to that. We have to do that. Now these people that have been willing to take a bet on our city and on our state, they're gonna, they get to be a part of helping us to find, how do we use these spaces? How do, how are we gonna grow? What's the future look like? And I'm super excited about all of that and a lot of people are unwilling to give up on Portland. I mean, I'm running for governor for the second time. I'm just stubborn. I'm just obstinate as a human being, right? And I always say, I think I have a higher pain tolerance.

• 24:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  And, and the people that are willing to stick with it in our state right now, willing to stick with our place. They also are stubborn and we need them to be, cause there, it is better on the other side of this. We're gonna heal. We're gonna get strong. We're gonna compete. And we're gonna thrive. We have to get there. And this election's a big part of that. The governor's vision for the future has, has never, has never wavered. Like, we're seeing exactly what her values represent. It should surprise no one that someone that thinks that a tax is a solution for every problem, that now we have higher taxes. That someone thinks that government knows more than you do, that we now have a heavy regulatory burden.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Someone that's never had a kid in our public schools, in our public schools would allow our public schools to decline to worst in the nation. Like just a complete and total disconnect between what all of these things actually mean for families in our state. And she's just going along being an advocate. She came into this process as a lobbyist and an advocate. She's, she's governing like a lobbyist and an advocate. This election right now, it feels like I'm in a general election. I'm talking to all kinds of people that have a vast, you know, differences on a range of topics and then there's some things we agree on and some things we disagree on. I'm trying to like, you know, win over hearts and minds and say, let's please fight for the future together. Uh, listen, my door's always gonna be open.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  These are my values. I'm not, I'm not trying to hide the ball here. This is who I am.

• 25:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  You need to know what this is about. And also I want you to thrive too. So I'm talking to all these people. And I think Tina's in the middle of a primary.

• 25:48Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Where she's just talking to, you know, Democrats.

• 25:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  And hard left, come, you know, like turnout, vote for me, like, like let's, let's keep, uh, you know, let, let's keep Oregon in our grips. This is our state. We own it. And they talk like they understand Oregon values, but what that really means is they have their own set of values and now they're attributing it as Oregon values.

• 26:13Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  And, you know, leave your bubble. Come on out. Come listen to more folks. Come meet more people. Come make this a race and a conversation with all Oregonians, not just the people in your urban core that have delivered the win for you year after year. Because they're afraid, because you scare them, because you stir up anger in them. And then they, and, and then, you know, that forces them to take action. That's not what leadership's about. It has got to be to cast a vision of, of progress for everybody.

• 26:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  That isn't just about the people that help you, you know, get to the point you are, but it's the people that weren't with you too.

• 26:54Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 26:54Speaker 01

  And that's always been her problem. That was her problem with cap and trade. That's been her problem with taxes and the gas tax. Thousands of Oregonians engaged.

• 27:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  I mean, there, that was a-

• 27:04Cameron Hanes?

  Tried to force that gas tax down our throats.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  That was a civics lesson for Oregonians where they said, what do you mean? What's happening right now?

• 27:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 27:11Speaker 01

  And they showed up and she still tried to disenfranchise them by using her office to delay signing the bill. Cause she thought if she delayed signing that bill, that there's no way they'd get those signatures.

• 27:22Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  But organization, you know, initiative, you know, fury.

• 27:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  And people turned out and just said, hell no. And she still didn't get the lesson. Her transportation department is still coming up with this long list of tax increases that isn't even limited to that $15 billion she had on her first list. Like, that universe has expanded. Her agencies are talking about increasing income taxes, increasing the, creating a corporate income tax that we don't have, expanding the corporate, the corporate activities tax. So Oregon pays, not to get too wonky, but they pay, right now in our income taxes, the state brings in about $40 billion. From 4.2 million humans and obviously not everybody works, right?

• 28:10Speaker 01

  These proposals that they're talking about for single payer healthcare, the estimates for that range between 50 and 90 billion dollars in new taxes to cover those costs.

• 28:21Cameron Hanes?

  Out of 4 million people?

• 28:22Speaker 01

  Out of 4 million people.

• 28:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  And, uh-huh, how are we gonna do that?

• 28:27Cameron Hanes?

  Math doesn't work.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  I'm not, well, and even if, even if it was a good idea to take away people's choice and take their doctors and have a state take over of all our healthcare, like, I don't think that's a good idea.

• 28:40Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  But even if it was, you still have to be able to pay for it.

• 28:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. That just doesn't, it doesn't work. It's too much of a burden on the regular people. But her with that gas tax example just tells me there's a disconnect. It just doesn't get what being an Oregonian, the challenges we face are real. Or, I mean, doesn't really understand it, I guess. But it's not surprising because what I see her running on, so what she said she's gonna fix, she hasn't, but now I see her running on division essentially selling you is like Trump's right hand or whatever, just some BS, right? And it's, that's not really a campaign.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:20Cameron Hanes?

  That's just

• 29:20Speaker 01

  That's just, yeah, that's just a smear campaign.

• 29:22Cameron Hanes?

  It's fear mongering, it's a smear campaign. It's like, that's what you offer? Well, that doesn't fix Portland, you know, so what are you doing to fix Portland? And like, I like your ideas and I like how you talk about it and I like, you know, I'm excited for, to see that change there because as we know, that so many voters are in that base there, Portland, Salem, Eugene, and we're not gonna win them all, but I know that there's a common interest in politics, and I saw this on the Not One Acre thing when we had, we had to push to sell surplus public lands. Everybody came together, the

• 30:03Cameron Hanes?

  left, the right, said, no, you're not touching our public lands. And Oregon is known for, you know, we're the jewel of the Pacific Northwest. We're known for beautiful public land. As I said, both sides of the aisle, or both voters, Republican, Democrat, liberal, it didn't matter, people love the mountains, like, they love to hike, they love to run, they love to hunt, they love to fish. So it doesn't feel like Kotec really maybe cares about people like that or doing things like that. What's your position on the potential sale of public land to develop? I think some of these, some of these business people look at like the mountains and say, look at all that underutilized opportunity to make

• 30:46Cameron Hanes?

  money, right? I look at it as that's what makes Oregon amazing. What's your thoughts on the sale of public land and just protecting public land in general?

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:57Cameron Hanes?

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• 31:37Cameron Hanes?

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• 33:12Speaker 01

  We have got to protect public lands. And no, I don't support the sale of Oregon's jewel of its public spaces. But I do want to manage it better. I don't want to see 2 to 2.5 million acres burn every two years and lose habitat and, you know, make, go from keep Oregon green to make Oregon gray, is really what we get on the other side of wildfire season. So, no, no, no, no, no. The idea isn't to sell these lands. The idea is to make sure that these lands are preserved and managed well. And I think that that is an important part of the conversation. I absolutely, absolutely can never imagine Oregon without the public lands that we have. And I think Oregonians across our state agree.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  They love their parks and they love their public lands.

• 34:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's a, I know, well, as a lifelong hunter, where I have, you know, more opportunity now, but before it was just, I had to hunt public land. I didn't have a land. And so I'm like, if I wanted to go hunting, it was Eagle Cap Wilderness, there was a national forest here. It was, you know, our land. And without that opportunity, you wouldn't be sitting here, because no one would know me. I wrote a book on hunting public land and why it's so important and how it changed me as a man. Without that opportunity, who knows what I'd be doing? I'd be lost because the mountains gave me an opportunity to thrive

• 34:40Cameron Hanes?

  and learn more about myself. I want to protect that for young adults, just like I was. And hunting and fishing is so important. People work so hard, they need an outlet. Or if they would just want to go run, I run with a lot of liberal women who definitely don't politically, we don't align, but we're in the mountains sharing this experience, and it doesn't matter, right? But without that, where would we have that connection? So that's why I have so many examples of why this means so much to me, which is why we pushed back so hard against Senator Mike Lee, which, you know, that is my party that he represented,

• 35:21Cameron Hanes?

  but it doesn't make it okay. So it's very reassuring to hear that you want to protect Oregon, you want to help manage Oregon better because wildfires can be devastating. And this needs to be addressed, this forest management, but yeah, that's reassuring to hear.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  There's a huge difference between selling and managing.

• 35:40Cameron Hanes?

  Definitely.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  To be clear, you know, and, and we did have that scare with IP28. And my proposal will put it in the constitution so that we don't ever have that scare again.

• 35:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, protecting hunting and fishing in the Oregon constitution? Okay, now we're talking.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. And so here's the thing, we were talking about the Petri dish earlier. That's what that was, right?

• 36:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Is that they were saying, well, Oregonians aren't smart enough to know, you know, they're gonna look at this and they're gonna say that this is about protecting puppies. It's not. It's about ending Oregon's way of life.

• 36:13Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  And so, you know, I'm gonna, I'm committed to getting that into the constitution. And between here and there, we're gonna do that in a way that's bipartisan, we're gonna do that in a way that's statewide, and we're going to do everything that we can to value and recognize Oregon's heritage, not, not just, not just our past, but our future in that way.

• 36:33Cameron Hanes?

  I think that's, you know, there was a film that just came out, put out by Howell for Wildlife, and it's called The Long Game. And it's about this, in Colorado, they do have this constitutional right of protected for hunting and fishing. But they put this out about IP28 specifically. And it's like, when you talk, when you listen to the ranchers that, that deal with, you know, they're providing beef for so many families, but the, the amount of love and care they have for their animals and the process they go through and how hard they work, it's like, guys, watch that film and you'll have a whole different, you know, they make it sound like it's, are you against animal cruelty, right? That's what the people who sound the ballot is. That's not what it's about. It's not

• 37:17Cameron Hanes?

  about protecting puppies. It's about taking Oregon's way of life. Why, why we are, what makes Oregon special? Farming, ranching, logging, everything, all the hardworking people that make Oregon what it is, it's taking that away from them. That opportunity to work, that opportunity to, that's, you know, fifth-generation ranchers. And you want to say that that's illegal? So they tried to push, how far can we get, can we push this? What can we get away with? And this, and they got a lot of votes because people just were unaware of what it really was. And so we just need to educate them. But your leadership and getting that in the constitution, that's huge. I'd love to hear that. So thank you.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. And the guy that was forwarding it, he was very, very public and candid about the fact that he plans to just come back year after year after year after year until he gets it on the ballot.

• 38:08Cameron Hanes?

  They'll just keep tweaking it.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's a lot like the drug decriminalization. They're trying to manipulate.

• 38:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 38:14Speaker 01

  They're not being honest about what this is really about. They're trying to manipulate voters, and we just keep, we just need to put an end to it.

• 38:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. If you could fix anything, like, well, I'll vote on some, I'll look at this measure or whatever, and I'll be like, I don't even know, is this for wolves or against wolves? Or what are we, what are we doing?

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Intentionally misleading.

• 38:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And it's like, I just want to know what I'm voting for. So if you could clean that up, that'd be great.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  I know. Yeah. We need, we need a better attorney general.

• 38:38Cameron Hanes?

  There's things that we, we all care about, right? We want Portland to be vitalized. We want it to be thriving again. I used to go up there, we'd go to the Nike store, you know, I'd take my kids up there to the Nike store. It was a fun trip. Now you go up there, there's, you know, everything's boarded up.

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:54Cameron Hanes?

  There's, there's nothing to go see and do.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  It's kind of a ghost town.

• 38:57Cameron Hanes?

  Right. And it's like, so we can, I don't care if you're Democrat or Republican, care about Oregon's largest city. And why is it, looks like it's abandoned and run down? And saying how bad Trump is, doesn't fix Portland.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  No, it doesn't.

• 39:14Cameron Hanes?

  I want real solutions. And that's what, it sounds like you're offering.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  Well, we are

• 39:20Speaker 01

  Really working hard to share that message. I mean, at the beginning of this general election, I said, I think people need to understand specifically what they would get with my leadership. So we put out a plan and all the major issue areas with lots of specifics. And I said, come on over, kick the tires, let's talk, let's have a conversation. And there shouldn't be any confusion about why I'm asking to serve and what I want to do on behalf of the people of the state. And a lot of that is, I mean, you started off in the beginning saying, hey, we haven't had a Republican governor since Vica Tia. A lot of, it's a generation of people that don't even know who that was.

• 39:54Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 39:54Speaker 01

  They've never, ever seen anything but Democratic leadership on behalf of the people of our state. And so I need this to be something that people understand. I'm an Oregonian first. I'm about solving problems here at home. I want to bring people together. And I respect differences. I just do. I mean, I, I do not expect everybody to have lived the life I did. I don't, I don't expect that I will understand the lives other people have lived. But we can still recognize that what we're doing now isn't working. And so, you know, the plan, I think, is an important part of it, but I also think that trying to remind people, I mean, can we just love our state more than we hate the other political party?

• 40:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yes.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  And can we just do that?

• 40:40Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Is that possible?

• 40:41Cameron Hanes?

  I think so.

• 40:42Speaker 01

  And so that, so this election, just be like, okay, come on, friends.

• 40:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 40:46Speaker 01

  There's a lot at stake right now. There's a lot of good we can do together. But to be able to do that, to be able to do that work and get after that work, like, we gotta win.

• 40:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  And so, you know, today's election day, tomorrow's election day, the next day's election day. And we need people to not treat their ballot sitting on their kitchen counter like it's a bill that they're dodging.

• 41:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Let it sit there and sit there and sit there. Well, you need people to say, I'm excited to vote. I'm going to be a part of this. And it's, it's something that I can do to participate, something I can do to turn my state around. I mean, we tried this once before. And it wasn't, I guess, you know, the, our, that wasn't our time.

• 41:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  So we lost by sixty six thousand votes. But a hundred and twenty six thousand Republicans in my own party stayed home. And that's hard.

• 41:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  And, and so, like, come on, y'all.

• 41:41Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 41:41Speaker 01

  Whatever party you're in, I don't care what party you're in, if you are looking around saying, I don't think that this is working. Or you're asking yourself, well, is it? Like, that's our, but those are our billboards across the state right now. Is this working?

• 41:54Cameron Hanes?

  Should, yeah, it's pretty easy to tell.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  Just factual question, yeah. And if you're thinking, I don't think it is, like, let's talk.

• 42:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Like, let's win together.

• 42:04Cameron Hanes?

  It's a, I mean, so you have, it's a Drayson plan, right? It's on your, on your website. There's so many details that, that we could talk about how, about how to fix Oregon. I'm just, I'm curious now, it's like, kind of backtracking, but, how, how do you get here to, to be running for governor? It's like, as a girl in Southern Oregon, did you ever think this was going to happen? Did you ever think you'd be here? And then how, how did it happen? Because I know you like, you probably, how was that first job in Salem?

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Uh huh. Yeah. So I, there is no universe that I ever would have run for the legislature the first time if I would have thought that I would ever be drawn to run for governor. Like, period.

• 42:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  Because this is, we, this is nuts.

• 42:56Cameron Hanes?

  Like, too toxic or like, too much, what is it? Just too stressful?

• 43:00Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no. It's just so far outside.

• 43:03Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Kind of my,

• 43:04Cameron Hanes?

  What you envisioned?

• 43:05Speaker 01

  What I would envision that I would do as a human being in this world.

• 43:08Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, yeah, yeah, I, I get that.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  And so, you know, like, I like to read books, you know, I like to, I like to hang out with a few close friends. I'm not, I'm not like an extrovert, get out there and, you know, mix it up. Even though I love people, I, this is outside my comfort zone. This whole thing is kind of next level for me. But I would say, you know, Klamath Falls is a starting place for my own life. And all that that meant and all that my family kind of experienced there meant that I really had such a bad attitude towards politicians and my family just really thought, they're all the same, they're all useless, they don't care about us. They just, they just want title and power and they're, they think they're better than us.

• 43:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  And they're leaving us behind.

• 43:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:54Speaker 01

  And so, coming from that kind of a family, I mean, my, my mom was the only girl, she had four brothers. And it was just a lot of, you know, frustration. And then, you know, for our family to, my dad didn't have work for years in Klamath. So moving to Medford stabilized that, there was more opportunity, you know, that changed. And, but so, that first job in the legislature was just pure curiosity.

• 44:21Cameron Hanes?

  See how it works.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  Were my parents right? Were my uncles and my grandpas and my family, were they all, were they accurate? Are these people all just rotten apples, just useless? And, and so I had only planned to try to get a job and work in Salem for one session with just a couple of months. You know, I thought it was going to be a couple of months of my life.

• 44:41Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  But I got there and I discovered that I loved listening to people. I loved learning and understanding issues. And this idea that you could take people's concerns and the challenges that they were facing and turn it into action and fix stuff. Like, that was something that just felt so important. And so I ended up staying and serving as Chief of Staff to the Speaker of the House. Republicans did have control of the legislature, both chambers, back then. And we had a Democrat governor in the middle office, so it was shared power. And so that's all I knew in those early days.

• 45:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Was Democrats and Republicans negotiating.

• 45:23Cameron Hanes?

  Working together.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Compromising. Well, they fought. It was ugly.

• 45:26Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. They used to call John Kitsover Dr. No for all of his vetoes. But eventually they worked it out. Like, it took some time for those relationships to settle.

• 45:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  But they got to the point where they worked together by the end of that time.

• 45:39Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  And so, you know, you saw that progression towards that. And so, but when I left that, I felt like I'd answered that question for myself that, yeah, some of them are kind of useless. Like, let's be honest. And what, it wasn't based on party. It's like whoever you actually are in this world.

• 45:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  You're going to bring that to whatever you do. And politics is going to put a light on you and your character and what you're about. And get ready, like buckle up, buttercup, because what, what people see is what's true.

• 46:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  And so you gotta be open, you gotta be, recognize that that's part of the gig.

• 46:13Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  But so when I left, I, I thought that was, you know, interesting and I was grateful to have had that opportunity. I never thought I would run for office myself. But just got to the point where my life would allow it, my family was supportive of it. And, you know, folks were saying, would you consider doing this? And I really thought it was an extension of just serving on the Planning Commission or working with the school board, you know, that kind of stuff. I thought, just represent my little community. And I got there and I was so shocked at what's, like, super majority level of control felt like. To be a legislator representing, you know, thousands and thousands of people and feel like,

• 46:58Speaker 01

  I didn't even, I couldn't even get in the room, let alone get a seat at the table.

• 47:02Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 47:02Speaker 01

  And I was angry.

• 47:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  At how they were operating.

• 47:06Cameron Hanes?

  It's not how it's supposed to work, is it?

• 47:07Speaker 01

  It's not how I thought it was going to work.

• 47:08Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  And I'd been there before, so I didn't feel like I was, you know, Pollyanna, naive. But it turns out I was. And I had this one moment, and this is, this is a story I've told before because it was like the moment for me that I think led to all the following things. And that was, I had one bill that would have just simply told parents if their kid was being beat up or bullied at school. And I thought it was a technical fix. Because in Oregon law, if there's an incident at school, they were telling the superintendent, the principal on, in that building, and cops. So there was already stuff in law. But in my district, a parent had heard about what happened to her kid on social media.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  And the school hadn't told the parents. And so I was like, I'll just fix that, like, simple. So we had this hearing on the bill and it really was a good hearing and, you know, and, and we were gonna, and I assumed we were gonna amend it slightly, move the bill forward. But the chair never brought the bill back up again to move it to a work session to allow for a vote on anything. So after the session, I called up and I talked to this chair of this committee. And I'd known her a long time. So this isn't somebody that's a stranger to me.

• 48:19Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  And so we're catching up on family and the kids and whatever. And so I'm just like, hey, so why'd you kill my bill?

• 48:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  And she just literally said, because I could.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  And that moment for me, I think, is the one that changed my thinking.

• 48:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Like, okay, they don't deserve this authority.

• 48:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  They don't respect.

• 48:40Cameron Hanes?

  It's abuse of power.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  It's abuse of power. They don't respect the control they have over the li- over the lives of Oregonians or casual about this stuff. That's not okay.

• 48:49Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  And then that same bill, I brought it back the next year because there had been a family who had lost their son to suicide. Schools didn't tell them anything that was happening to him at school. They had no idea.

• 49:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  And so after that dear boy lost his life, that bill sailed through that process. It shouldn't take a tragedy like that for people to do something that could have been viewed as a technical fix.

• 49:14Cameron Hanes?

  Right. No, I agree.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  And so then all of a sudden, I'm running for Republican leader. And I'm leading a walkout on cap and trade because nobody will listen to us and amend the legislation. And then I'm doing all these things. Because I kept being faced with the reality of what single party control under these particular leaders, maybe it doesn't look that way everywhere, but that's how it looked here. How they were operating was so shocking and so oblivious to impacts. They just didn't care about results. They didn't care about outcomes. It just felt like they were feeding their own machine. And I just felt like this responsibility to do something. And then I still feel that responsibility today.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  And it's, it is, the same people are still in charge. And with the gas tax, again, we saw doing the same stuff.

• 50:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Like, knock it off.

• 50:11Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  Just stop.

• 50:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I, yeah, I agree with that. Um, and I just like, so your journey. It's a, I like that. I just like how it's win because I don't want people who've always dreamed of being a politician. You know what I mean? Like, I want people who don't want to be a politician.

• 50:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:31Cameron Hanes?

  But get kind of just led to it or feel just a desire to make a difference. And like, so it's kind of like, you know, fighting the process, but here I am, I want to make a difference. I'm a regular person. I'll listen to you. I care about. And it's not like this career politician type person. But what, what impresses me with you is when I watch the debates, you're so, you're soft spoken, but you are so good. It's like, people can be loud and blunt and this and that. It's like, you didn't say anything.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:05Cameron Hanes?

  You know, you, you, you're like so good at this. Um, is this just years of being involved in legislature and, and Salem and like, I guess you love to read, so you're probably reading all this stuff.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Reader. Yeah.

• 51:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It's like, but how, how's the, the pu- public presentation is so impressive. How have you developed that?

• 51:27Speaker 01

  So that is a big compliment. I actually think that I have a, a lot of, you know, work to work on to be able to communicate as well as I can. Cause I think that there's something about, I think we're all used to a certain kind of politician.

• 51:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  I don't think I fit that mold.

• 51:43Cameron Hanes?

  No, that's what I'm saying.

• 51:45Speaker 01

  And I never have.

• 51:46Cameron Hanes?

  But it's like so impressive.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:48Cameron Hanes?

  If you listen.

• 51:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm just trying to say what's true. That's like my North Star.

• 51:54Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Is don't, don't waver from saying the thing that needs to be said and always say the thing that's true. And so that's, I think that that allows for some clarity. Is that I can, I mean, I don't, you know, I don't always hit the mark. You know, I don't always say it perfectly well, but I am not, um, I'm not hesitant to say the thing that is true and needs to be said. I can remember I was, when I was just elected as a freshman legislator and we had been called in in small groups to meet with Governor Brown. And she was pitching this tax idea that became the cat tax. And she was shopping for Republican votes.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  And I'm sitting there and there's all of these more senior members around me. They're saying nothing. And so she finishes her comments and I just said, that's hilarious.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  Do you really think that was a pitch that any of us would accept?

• 52:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 52:55Speaker 01

  And I'm just feel like there's something about needing to say the thing. I mean, in that same freshman year, we had a chair of the healthcare committee that had people testifying in front of the committee and he was calling the people, the witnesses, he was calling them stupid. In our healthcare committee. He said, you know, you, I just think you're stupid. And I'm sitting next to Andrea Salinas, like all these people are on the committee with me at this time. And I lean over and I said, are you gonna say something? And she was like, shh, we can talk later. And I sit there thinking someone's gonna say something.

• 53:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  And then at the end of the hearing, like I feel, I feel like this is, you know, this is, these are all my war stories from this. But at the end of the hearing, I think he's gonna apologize now. He's gonna recognize he's a long time.

• 53:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. I've had a few minutes now.

• 53:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 53:48Speaker 01

  I misspoke. He doubles down. And he says, I apologize to everyone here for the, for, for the language that I used, but I don't apologize to and I couldn't do it.

• 54:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  I was like, I had to say something. That's not how we treat people. That is not what this process is about. You've got members of the public watching right now. Like, you know, you know, feelings can run high. You can have it, you know, a lot of history with people. I understand how you'd feel, feel frustrated. But you can't talk that way. You can't act that way. The man is sitting there in his chair and he's calling me a showboat for trying to tell him you can't treat people that way. And that is the experience of trying to engage in Salem. Which is why all of a sudden, I'm running for governor. And

• 54:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  And like, and running again to try to finish what we started.

• 54:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. It's a, that, the pompous politician, nobody worse.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  It's so ugly.

• 54:47Cameron Hanes?

  No, no character worse. And I just feel like the reason why people don't say things is because they're protecting their own interests, their own future. They're like, if they push back here, then they're gonna get overlooked the next time. So you gotta kind of just toe the line. You tell everybody, oh yeah. Doing a great job. You're not doing a great job for the Oregon people, but for these, I guess, the pompous politicians, you're doing a great job. It's like, that's not who I want. That's not who I want. I cannot stand people like that. And it's so refreshing to hear that you aren't that and you're willing to potentially sabotage your own future to say what's right.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Well, clearly.

• 55:26Cameron Hanes?

  And you know, that's, but that's how it should be.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  I do thi- I do think that it's, uh, Oregonians deserve the risk, right? Like the, the responsibility that you're asking to take.

• 55:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Deserves a level of, um, recognition that you should be willing to risk all of it for what you're asking to do.

• 55:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. If it, if it means that much to you.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:52Cameron Hanes?

  I guess if it doesn't mean much to you, you'll do whatever it takes.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:56Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, I, I want somebody who will live and die by what they believe.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:02Cameron Hanes?

  You know, and, um, that's what we need. But this, this lazy take of this connection with you and Trump that she likes to do, tell me, just explain that to me. I mean, you're your own person.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 56:15Cameron Hanes?

  You're representing.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:17Cameron Hanes?

  Or want to represent all of Oregon. Tell, tell me about this, this lazy Trump link.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I mean, politically speaking, he's super unpopular here.

• 56:30Cameron Hanes?

  About as unpopular as Kotek.

• 56:31Speaker 01

  And Kotek is also really unpopular.

• 56:34Cameron Hanes?

  The thirties. So it's like, most people do not like him right now, but whatever.

• 56:38Speaker 01

  So she, so she's thinking, I think structurally, right? If you think about these things like, okay, I have a business I'm running right now and how I'm, how am I gonna sell my product? Well, I guess my product is kind of crummy. That's her, that's her leadership. That's her results. So she's pointing over here and she's trying to distract and she's trying to tie me to another brand that is equally unpopular as her brand. And so like, if we're weighing the two of us, she's like, my brand isn't doing great. And this brand is also not doing great. So for me to, you know, kind of make it my way through, I'm gonna try to do guilt by association. Um, I hope Oregonians don't fall for it.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  The, this is really just about us. I will always, always, always, always fight for us. And if there's an opportunity to bring money home to Oregon to get projects done, you know, and to build the IFI bridge or fight, fight to manage our forests better, fight wildfires, great. Like, we need a state, federal, local partnership at all levels. But if the federal government is doing something that hurts the people of our state or in fact ignores the will of Oregonians, the answer is no. The answer is hard no, every time. I mean, she's been trying to say that I supported the deployment of troops to downtown Portland. It's just not true.

• 58:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  I supported Portland doing Portland's job to maintain law and order while people were protesting, preventing it from becoming riots, preventing people from, you know, encamping in front of people's apartments and, you know, keeping businesses in the local community from even being able to operate for the summer. I wanted Portland to be able to just enforce the law equally regardless of whether or not there was something political at the middle of it. And that is the thing that I always called for. And she has tried to make that seem like I aligned with this idea of a federal takeover of Oregon streets and nothing could be further from this, from the truth. We can take care of ourselves. We've got fantastic law enforcement. It was our local political leaders that wouldn't let them do their jobs.

• 58:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  That was the limitation. I was talking to the mayor of Portland during that summer and I said, what is happening? Like, why aren't you guys just removing the encampments and maintaining noise ordinances and everything else you'd normally do? And he told me, I don't want to pick sides. You're picking sides.

• 59:08Cameron Hanes?

  It should be on the side of Portland.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  Exactly. You're picking sides because you're leaving this neighborhood behind.

• 59:14Cameron Hanes?

  He just did pick sides.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  He did.

• 59:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And it's like, I'll say that from that time, Portland hasn't recovered.

• 59:21Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 59:22Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, that was the beginning of the end, basically, for Portland. It was like, not the end, because you're, hopefully you get the opportunity to fix it.

• 59:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:29Cameron Hanes?

  But that's the beginning of why we're in the position we're in down there. And, yeah, so that was, that was the wrong call for sure.

• 59:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's, I don't know, Portland's such a, such an interesting one. But, yeah, I love to hear, yeah, I mean, I just love what you stand for and just standing for the American people, or the people of Oregon. And not, I just get so frustrated, because I'll just say, I've, I've voted for Trump three times, all right? I'm, I've, I've helped campaign for him. That doesn't mean I don't have issues with decisions. That doesn't mean I'm happy about the war in Iran. And I'm, I'm, you know.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  And you speak up and you stand up.

• 1:00:12Cameron Hanes?

  And the gas prices and all this other stuff. So it's okay, that's, we're allowed to do that.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:18Cameron Hanes?

  That's our right as an American voter. So I'm, whatever, but I'm just saying, you're your own person.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:00:24Cameron Hanes?

  And just, but just by, by saying like, well, I'm struggling, so let's see if we can link her to Trump, and hopefully that hurts her. That's not a plan. That's not a strategy for winning.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Cameron Hanes?

  That's, that's a, I don't know what that is.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  It's manipulating.

• 1:00:38Cameron Hanes?

  It is, and it's, and it's just not real.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's trying to mislead, manipulate, and divide. And she's trying to stoke up people's fears. That's all it is.

• 1:00:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  So I hope Oregonians see through it. I hope that they give me a fair shot based on my own, my own merits, my own ideas. I'm trying to be really honest and transparent with everybody. And I'm in all kinds of places and trying to be everywhere all the time and just answer questions and say, okay, come on now. Like, let's get excited. We can do this. You have concerns, let's talk about it.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  And get this done.

• 1:01:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I'm, well, speaking of meeting people, where are you headed now? You're heading up to the football game, huh?

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  I'm going to a football game.

• 1:01:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  It's gonna be great. Go Beavs.

• 1:01:19Cameron Hanes?

  Are you gonna, wait, you went to George Fox, right?

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  I did. So I can say, go Ducks?

• 1:01:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  And I can say, go Beavs?

• 1:01:26Cameron Hanes?

  Because you were at the Duck game last week, right?

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  It was, I thought for sure they'd pull that off.

• 1:01:30Cameron Hanes?

  A governor for all the people.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  There you go. There you go. And bridging, bridging divides already.

• 1:01:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, for sure, for sure. Well, did you have anything you'd like to close here? What, why should people vote for Christine Drayson? And let's just, I'm, I'm super thankful, but yeah, let's hear your closing pitch here.

• 1:01:50Speaker 01

  If people want better for themselves, their kids, their businesses, if they want to be able to afford to live here, they want to be, they want to be Oregonians that are proud because we've restored our quality of life, served our most vulnerable, and still maintained an affordable cost of living here. The only way to do that is to choose a new direction for our state and vote for change. And I am committed to delivering those results for the people of our state and being accountable for the things that I'm talking about right now. A lot of people say a lot of things in, in, you know, election years.

• 1:02:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  And I'm committed to being accountable to Oregonians as I go through this process, because I'm gonna have to work with the Democrat legislature. We're gonna have to work together. And there's gonna be fights, and we're gonna have to work together. And so I'm asking people, I know this is new. I know we haven't done this in 40 years. I'm asking people to make a decision based on results, based on their own vision for their own future, and for the vision that we all share for our families and this beautiful place that we love, to just choose better and to give me a chance to deliver results on behalf of the people of this state, and to please turn in your ballots by November the 3rd.

• 1:03:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yes, get out and vote, please. Well, thank you. It's been an honor, and I wish you the best.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Thank you, Cam. Thanks for having me.

• 1:03:08Cameron Hanes?

  All right, keep hammering, guys.

• 1:03:13Cameron Hanes?

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