547. The French Revolution: The Execution of the King (Part 4)

The second revolution that engulfed France over the course of 1792 reached its climax in December, with an astonishing, world-changing spectacle, which held all the eyes of Europe spellbound: Louis Capet, formerly King Louis XVI of France, was on trial for his very life. A guilty verdict would undermine millennia of thought and tradition, ripping apart the longheld inviolability of the king, still held sacred in some quarters of France, and setting a dangerous precedent for the other monarchs of Europe. For the revolutionary leaders, then, this was a cosmic strike against tyranny, unpicking the very foundations of French society. The trial would serve to proclaim the institution of the new regime; a ritualistic rebirth born of the death of the king. It would last a month. Then, on the 15th of January, a verdict was finally reached: Louis was found guilty, and condemned to death by guillotine. With the former king’s day numbered, was there any way the judgement could be overturned? And if not, what would the consequences of this seismic event be for the future of France, Europe, and the world…? Join Tom and Dominic as they discuss the climax of the French Revolution - itself one of the most important moments of all history - with the extraordinary trial and death sentence of King Louis XVI. Would the sacrificial spilling of his royal blood cleanse the world of monarchy, and launch a new dawn for the Republic of France, once and for all? EXCLUSIVE NordVPN Deal ➼ https://nordvpn.com/restishistory Try it risk-free now with a 30-day money-back guarantee! _______ Twitter: @TheRestHistory @holland_tom @dcsandbrook Producer: Theo Young-Smith Assistant Producer: Tabby Syrett + Aaliyah Akude Executive Producers: Jack Davenport + Tony Pastor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:03Tom Holland?

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• 0:42Tom Holland?

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• 0:54Dominic Sandbrook?

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• 1:39Dominic Sandbrook?

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• 1:54Dominic Sandbrook?

  Frenchman, where now are those qualities which once distinguished you? Where now is that national character of greatness and loyalty? Would you show your powers in overwhelming with misfortunes the man who had the noble resolution to repose such confidence in you? Have you no more respect for the sacred duties of hospitality?

• 2:21Dominic Sandbrook?

  Is no commiseration due to such unparalleled misfortunes? Do you not think that a king who ceases to be one is not a victim sufficiently striking, without it being necessary to add such accumulated miseries to his fate? Frenchman, this revolution which regenerates you develops great qualities. But fear lest it should at the same time efface humanity from your heart, without which every other virtue is lost.

• 3:01Dominic Sandbrook?

  So that was the somewhat florid concluding statement of a fellow called Romand de Cez, who was a lawyer from Bordeaux. Tom writes here that he was celebrated for his sonorous eloquence.

• 3:15Tom Holland?

  As I think you can tell.

• 3:16Dominic Sandbrook?

  As you can tell, there he was, standing on the 26th of December 1792, before the National Convention in Paris. And of course, the man he was defending, who was on trial for his life, was the erstwhile King Louis XVI. And this, Tom, is one of those speeches that defines the French Revolution. The French Revolution is a great rhetorical event.

• 3:40Tom Holland?

  Yeah.

• 3:40Dominic Sandbrook?

  And we've done a lot of great orations. We had Saint Just last time, saying that you can't reign innocently and the king must die. And here we have Romand de Cez saying that you should fear lest you efface humanity from your heart, and you should find the compassion for this man who has suffered enough. And basically, nobody listens.

• 4:05Tom Holland?

  Well, I think some people do listen, as we will see, but they, from Louis's point of view, don't listen hard enough, I think you could say. And that that translation that you read, it was issued, published only a few weeks after it was delivered, so it was Rush translated into English. And I guess it's a reminder of just how seismic an event the trial of the King of France is. I mean, it completely transfixes France, obviously, but Britain, all of Europe. I mean, it's the most astonishing spectacle. And In Britain and in the other monarchies of Europe, public opinion by and large is

• 4:47Tom Holland?

  appalled, even though obviously in England, the English had actually set a precedent because they had tried and executed a king themselves in the form of Charles the First.

• 4:57Dominic Sandbrook?

  Not uncontroversial, right?

• 4:59Tom Holland?

  Right, but it's not just in foreign monarchies that public opinion is appalled because there are also deep reservoirs of royalism in France and the assumption that a king is inviolate, down to the most basic level, that people shouldn't touch him without kind of strict protections of ritual and so on. This is deeply, deeply ingrained. It's been a theme of French history for a millennium and more. And that sense that a king's actions are inviolate, it had been so hardwired that it had been written into the constitution that had been issued in 1791 and which Louis had accepted.

• 5:41Tom Holland?

  And in that, it had specified that only if a king had set himself at the head of a hostile army, could he be reckoned to have abdicated the throne. But otherwise, and this is something that Louis himself points out at his trial, the king's person is inviolable and sacred. That is what the constitution had said. But we've been talking about this second revolution that has overwhelmed Paris and France over the course of 1792. And it is precisely that sense of inviolability, precisely the sense that the king's very body is somehow sacred, that the deputies in the national convention are upset, that is what they're trying to destroy.

• 6:26Tom Holland?

  They're not just trying to destroy the person of Louis, they're trying to destroy the figure of the king and everything, all the sacrality that is associated with him. And that's why they're bringing him to trial. That's the whole point of it. And of course, they know that the eyes of the world upon them. The international situation for this is incredibly important. We were talking yesterday about these amazing successes that French French arms have been having, you know, they've been going into Switzerland and into Nice and into Austrian Netherlands, what's now Belgium. And the justification for this is precisely the overthrow, not just of tyranny and monarchy in France, but across Europe, across the world. I mean, we were saying that the French revolutionary leaders are seeing what they're doing in cosmic

• 7:11Tom Holland?

  terms. It's kind of Trotskyite in that sense, isn't it?

• 7:14Dominic Sandbrook?

  It's interesting how that has escalated from an opposition to this king, which would have been the case a year earlier, that this king is complicit with counterrevolutionaries and foreign infiltrators and all that kind of thing. But it has widened, hasn't it? They've self-radicalised. So now it is an opposition to all kings and to kingship more generally. And so this has become more than just a case about Louis and his own personal misdemeanors. He is on trial as a symbol of worldwide despotism and monarchy.

• 7:44Tom Holland?

  Yeah, so it's monarchy, it's a very concept of monarchy itself. So one of the deputies who's pushing for the guilty verdict on the king says that the verdict that is delivered on Louis must serve as an example for all nations. So this is very pointed. If it's Louis XVI today, then perhaps it will be George III, you know, in a court in London tomorrow.

• 8:08Dominic Sandbrook?

  That's a horrendous thought, Tom.

• 8:11Tom Holland?

  Well, okay, we shouldn't exaggerate how focused on other countries the delegates are. I mean, they are, but of course their real focus is on France itself. And again, we talked yesterday how it's important for the new republic because there hasn't been a formal proclamation of a republic. So just to quote Antoine de Bec, Dominic, do you want to insert your joke there?

• 8:33Dominic Sandbrook?

  He was later on Strictly Come Dancing, that's the joke.

• 8:36Tom Holland?

  Very good. So he wrote this great book Glory and Terror: Seven Deaths Under the French Revolution. And the predecessor Lambelle is one of those seven deaths, but Louis XVI is another. And he writes, "When France entered into a republic in the course of the summer of 1792, it did not solemnly proclaim the foundation of a new regime. The historian can look, nowhere will he unearth an official decree in the archives installing the first." French Republic. So you do have the image of liberty on the on the melted royal seal. We talked about that. But otherwise, there isn't really anything kind of symbolically resonant. And I guess that that is what Saint Just had fixed on in his famous speech when you you quoted him yesterday. That the king, simply by virtue of being a king, is is guilty, since Saint Just puts it.

• 9:21Tom Holland?

  One cannot reign innocently.

• 9:23Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 9:23Tom Holland?

  And so it's only when the king has been put to death that the republic can properly be born. So in the Marseillaise, there's talk about tainted blood fertilizing the soil. And I'm sure that that must be kind of part of what the deputies are thinking.

• 9:39Dominic Sandbrook?

  They want a big set piece.

• 9:40Tom Holland?

  Yeah, but his blood will fertilize the soil and enable the republic to kind of flourish and grow and emerge. And there's a sense in which, therefore, I think, the the deposition, the imprisonment, the trial, and and perhaps if he's found guilty, the execution of the king will serve the French Republic as all the various declarations in the American Revolution served the American Republic.

• 10:09Dominic Sandbrook?

  It's the ritualistic kind of kickoff, isn't it? And you say if he's found guilty. There is no doubt that he will be found guilty from the beginning. I mean, we're going to be talking about the trial, but I don't think there's any doubt in anybody's mind that he's not going to be walking out a free man, kind of punching the air and stuff outside the Old Bailey.

• 10:24Tom Holland?

  No, no, I just wanted to, you know, maintain the suspense.

• 10:27Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, okay.

• 10:27Tom Holland?

  It's all about the jeopardy.

• 10:29Dominic Sandbrook?

  Okay, very good.

• 10:29Tom Holland?

  Dramatic tension.

• 10:30Dominic Sandbrook?

  So tell us exactly how he is brought to trial.

• 10:33Tom Holland?

  Okay, so on the 10th of December, the formal indictment is read out in the National Convention. And Louis is charged with conspiring with the enemies of the French nation against the Republic and of therefore of direct treason. And essentially what they do is they go back over everything that he's done since the outbreak of the revolution in seventeen eighty nine, and they present it in the worst light possible. And if you're a royalist, you might say, well, this is very harsh. Personally, I think actually they've got to be pretty bang to rights, because he has been working to undo the revolution. And the thing is, is that the worst thing that he's been doing, which is essentially, you know, he has been conspiring with the Austrians.

• 11:18Tom Holland?

  He has been writing to monarchs of hostile nations. That correspondence has not come to light, even when the safe was opened. That evidence of that had gone, because Louis and Marie Antoinette had been sensible enough to actually burn that. So they don't even know the worst of it. So, as you say, I think the evidence is pretty bad that he has been betraying the revolution. So, the following day, on the eleventh December, he is summoned to the convention to face the charges that are going to be leveled against him. And the summons is brought to him by the mayor of Paris. He, of course, is in the temple, where he's been locked up for about four months. The mayor comes into his presence,

• 12:02Tom Holland?

  doesn't take his hat off, doesn't bow, addresses him as Louis Capet. And we talked about that yesterday, that Capet is the family name of Hugh Capet, who had been elected king at the end of the tenth century. And Louis is very indignant and points out that he is not a Capet, that he is a Bourbon, because the Capets had gone extinct in the early fourteenth century, which is what had kicked off the Hundred Years' War. They'd been replaced by the Valois, and then the Valois had gone extinct, and they'd been replaced by the Bourbon. And so, why Capet? The reason is precisely because it enables the Republic to demonstrate that it's not just Louis who's on trial, it's the entire line.

• 12:45Tom Holland?

  Of all the kings that join Hugh Capet to Louis XVI.

• 12:50Dominic Sandbrook?

  So the trial is doing two things simultaneously, right? It is trying Louis as a private individual who has betrayed the revolution. But it's also doing that St. Jules thing of trying him as a symbol of monarchy. He stands in effectively for all the monarchs that France has ever had.

• 13:05Tom Holland?

  Yeah, and I think there's an inherent ambivalence there because on the one hand, the emphasis is on his role now as someone who has been decrowned, who is just a normal citizen. But of course, he isn't. He has to be tried as a king as well. So there's a kind of a slight ambivalence there that shadows the entire approach of the Republic to Louis and to his fate. So he leaves the temple, as we said, for the first time in about four months. A massive lines of soldiers along the streets of the National Guard to make sure that no rescue attempts can be made. He is brought into the convention. He's led to the bar. He is obviously dressed as a private citizen. An onlooker describes him as wearing just a plain yellowish frock coat.

• 13:50Tom Holland?

  He walks in, he looks around, everyone is sat, everyone has their hats on. And onlookers are delighted by his expression of kind of consternation, really. And so one of them wrote, no doubt, he was quite surprised to see no other seat for him than a humble chair in a place where he had more than once deployed all the pride and ceremony of royalty. Remember, readers, the scarlet armchair with fleur-de-lis, which insulted the representatives of the nation. And of course, he is only allowed to sit when he is given permission to do so by the president of the court. And this is to turn the world upside down. You think of all the ritual that had governed behaviour at Versailles.

• 14:36Tom Holland?

  And it's utterly upended, isn't it?

• 14:38Dominic Sandbrook?

  This is very execution of Charles I, isn't it? We did two episodes about that with our friend Ted Valance. Remember, there's all that business where a bit of Charles's cane falls off and no one picks it up and.

• 14:47Tom Holland?

  Yeah, and he has to get it.

• 14:48Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah. Yeah, this is all exactly the same thing again. And obviously, they all know the story of Charles I. So there must be a slight element of role playing on all sides, actually, that they're kind of conscious that this has happened before.

• 15:00Tom Holland?

  Yeah, and as we will see, Louis is very familiar with the story of Charles's trial. And it's probably that that enables, having read that, having read how Charles maintained his dignity in that situation, I'm sure it must steal Louis in this situation. Because when the charges are read out, he is very calm in denying them. People say, even those hostile to him, say he seems very serene. And even when he's shown these papers with his signature on, that have been taken from the safe, that he's clearly banged to rights. And he just said, that's not my signature, it's nothing to do with me at all. And the only time he actually displays any sense of outrage or indignation is when he's accused of shedding French blood. And then he is indignant, he protests, he says

• 15:45Tom Holland?

  this is absolutely false. And the reaction to his performance, the Montagnards, so the radicals, Robespierre, Marat, and so on, they view this as the rankest hypocrisy, that he is blatantly lying. A majority of people in the convention, though, I think they feel sufficiently sympathetic that they decide that Louis should be allowed legal representation, because that had not been decided until this point. So Louis is taken back to the temple, and he is then allowed to request legal representation. And so the person he goes for is the guy who probably has the most formidable reputation of any of the lawyers who had been operating in the Alcyon regime. And this is the guy who had led the

• 16:27Tom Holland?

  defence of the Prince de Rohan in the affair of the diamond necklace.

• 16:33Dominic Sandbrook?

  The cardinal guy.

• 16:33Tom Holland?

  The cardinal, the Cardinal de Rohan, who by successfully defending the Cardinal de Rohan, had done terrible damage to Marie Antoinette, and to Louis XVI himself, to the very image of the crown.

• 16:45Dominic Sandbrook?

  That seems a long time ago now, doesn't it?

• 16:47Tom Holland?

  The diamond necklace affair. And it must have done to Louis himself. Because even though this guy, who's a man called Guillaume Baptiste, had inflicted these wounds on the monarchy.

• 16:59Tom Holland?

  In the revolution itself, he had been a very enthusiastic supporter of constitutional monarchy. So he'd been a member of the Third Estate, but had been a kind of constitutional monarchist. And he'd stuck to that. And he was the guy who'd come up with the idea that Louis should no longer be king of France, but should be king of the French. That's very much where he's at. But because of that, of course, he now seems a counter-revolutionary. The guy who had been at the cutting edge of radicalism in 1788 now seems, you know, total reactionary. And he's aware of this. And so he says he's not going to do it.

• 17:34Dominic Sandbrook?

  But there's also an issue. He's got an issue, to be fair to him, with his weight, hasn't he? He says, basically, I'm too fat to stand up in court.

• 17:42Tom Holland?

  That's his excuse. So this had been, this had been royalist abuse leveled at him right the way back in the trial of the Cardinal de Rohan, that he'd simply been too fat even to stand up. But now he takes advantage of this, says, I can't possibly, you know, I'll just keel over if I have to stand up all this time. So that's his excuse. Now, fortunately for Louis, there are people who are brave enough to volunteer for the job of defending him. And one of them is our friend Olympe de Gouges.

• 18:10Dominic Sandbrook?

  The feminist.

• 18:11Tom Holland?

  Yes. So she has not been keeping her head out of the firing line. She has been publicly attacking Robespierre, attacking Marat. She's very identified with the Gironde, who she sees as being much more sympathetic to female suffrage. And people may remember that she was very, very fond of Louis. She viewed him as having been dealt a bad hand. And even as the king is being brought to trial, she issues a public statement declaring that the greatest of Louis' crimes is to have been king at a time in philosophy was silently preparing the foundations of our republic. We have abolished royalty. He has lost his subjects, his throne, everything. Let us be good enough to leave him his life.

• 18:53Tom Holland?

  And I think in saying that, she's probably speaking for a sizable number of the French, who probably do, do feel that.

• 19:01Dominic Sandbrook?

  I mean, you could say she might be being naive, because by leaving him alive, you would create problems to the future. But, you know, she's been commendably compassionate, Tom.

• 19:09Tom Holland?

  Well, this is not how the Songklaot see it. So they are furious at this and a large mob gathers outside her house with the bravery that is absolutely typical of her. Olympia Gooch goes down and confronts them on her doorstep and one of the Songklaot grabs her by her hair, you know, holding up her face to the crowd and says, you know, let's chop this off. I'm going to auction it off. Who bids for her head? And Olympia Gooch puts in a massive bid and this is treated by the crowd as, you know, immense banter, hilarious. And so they let her off. So her good humour, her ability to make a joke

• 19:50Tom Holland?

  in the teeth of mob violence enables her to fight another day.

• 19:55Dominic Sandbrook?

  But Louis doesn't fancy her as his legal representative.

• 19:58Tom Holland?

  No. I mean, it'd been amazing if he had. He is not sufficiently progressive to do that. Fortunately, there is another guy who volunteers, and this is a man called Guillaume Chrétien de Malzab, and he is the absolute embodiment of kind of Enlightenment-infused liberalism. So he was a friend of Rousseau, he corresponded with Diderot, he'd been the censor, the national censor under Louis, and he'd allowed Diderot to publish the encyclopedia, which was kind of very radical, very atheist-tinged, very keen botanist. And again, he is a bit

• 20:37Tom Holland?

  like Baptiste. He's an example of how the whirligig of politics is leaving one-time radicals behind and casting them as reactionaries. But he, unlike Baptiste, is prepared to come out and defend the king. So he's actually retired, he's 71, he's kind of very elderly. And he's the one who recruits, or as he says, the orangutan guy who likes the sound of his own voice. There's also another distinguished lawyer called François Ponsche. So the three of them are appointed to defend the king, and they have two weeks to prepare their case. And so they go to the cell in the temple where Louis is now being kept in isolation.

• 21:18Tom Holland?

  So he's been separated from his family. And they start preparing their defence. And it was with Malzab that in 1788 Louis had discussed the trial of Charles I.

• 21:31Dominic Sandbrook?

  Oh, in 1788, yeah, interesting.

• 21:34Tom Holland?

  There are foundations there. And of course, what Charles, the first strategy in his trial had been to refuse to accept the legitimacy of the court.

• 21:43Dominic Sandbrook?

  I mean, obviously, he had his head cut off, but he was always going to. But historians would generally say that that was very clever from Charles, because actually, he was right. The court was illegitimate. And he basically said, come on, everyone knows this is a put up job and and has no legal foundation. And he wasn't wrong. And he got a lot of sympathy for that.

• 22:00Tom Holland?

  Right. And and Malzerb, who's a very smart lawyer, very familiar with his English history, this is the strategy that he wants Louis to adopt, to insist on the wording of the original written constitution, which says that, you know, the the king is inviolable, which in turn would be to attack the entire legitimacy of this second revolution that's happened over

• 22:21Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, of course.

• 22:21Tom Holland?

  the course of of seventeen ninety two. And this is exactly what the Montagny had been afraid that they would do.

• 22:29Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 22:30Tom Holland?

  The trial would become, it wouldn't just be a trial of Louis, it would be a trial of the the new constitutional settlement.

• 22:36Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 22:37Tom Holland?

  So throughout this history, we have discussed how whenever Louis is given an option, he always chooses the dumb option.

• 22:45Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 22:45Tom Holland?

  And this is what he does again. He turns down Malzerb's advice. He says, no, I'm going to answer all the, you know, all these points that had been raised against him, all the the disparagements of his motivations and actions over the course of the previous years since the fall of the Bastille. He's obviously personally indignant about this, and he wants to to take them down. But of course, it's madness, because he has no prospect of of convincing the court. He has no prospect of making a a a proper case. Malzerb's strategy is the only effective one, I think.

• 23:15Dominic Sandbrook?

  I suppose there are two interesting things there. So number one is, the weird thing is that answering point by point, it is madness, because on some of those points, he is clearly guilty.

• 23:23Tom Holland?

  Right.

• 23:24Dominic Sandbrook?

  You know, he did flight to Varennes, he did get in touch with the Austrians, he has been in touch with counter revolutionaries, he has been conspiring against the revolution. But the interesting thing is that in his own mind, clearly, Louis doesn't think he's guilty. He thinks these guys are bad people who have done a coup and have seized control of the revolution. Actually, I am blameless. I mean, that's the interesting thing.

• 23:46Tom Holland?

  He does.

• 23:46Dominic Sandbrook?

  He wouldn't choose that strategy if he didn't have absolute confidence in his own innocence.

• 23:51Tom Holland?

  And I think that's what explains, you know, his serenity, absolute conviction that that he's completely in the right, kind of a slight kind of Prince Andrew quality, perhaps.

• 24:03Dominic Sandbrook?

  Wow.

• 24:04Tom Holland?

  You know, just madness. Anyway, he's the king. And so, well, he's not the king anymore, but as far as Malsherb is concerned, he is. So that's the strategy that they have to adopt. So, again, this is very Cromwellian. The date for the trial is set on the 26th of December, so the day after Christmas. So there's a kind of deliberate attempt to ignore the sacrilegious quality of the feast day. So on Christmas Day itself, Louis dictates his will to Malsherb, suggesting that he knows what's going to happen. And then the following day, he's duly brought back to the convention. And the trial happens, and this is when de Saez gives his famous speech. And you asked, does it persuade anyone of Louis's innocence? Probably not. But does it persuade anyone that he should be spared

• 24:48Tom Holland?

  execution? Well, maybe it does, because the convention are going to vote on whether Louis is guilty. And as you say, that's, you know, that's pretty, pretty much guaranteed, he will be found guilty. But then they have to decide on a verdict. And in fact, they end up voting on a third point of principle, because the Gironde, at the end of December, who clearly feel that the execution of the king will be seen as a kind of Montigny triumph, they want to stop that happening. They propose that the verdict that the convention arrives at should be put to a referendum. And this also has the additional benefit of enabling them to pose as the defenders of popular sovereignty.

• 25:28Dominic Sandbrook?

  But in the long run, very bad move for the Gironde on this. I mean, and one of their, one of their, their own goals that they have been, you know, scoring for the last few months, right, that they keep coming up with these wheezes that don't quite work.

• 25:42Tom Holland?

  Right. And which make them look royalist. I mean, that's the madness. None of them are royalist.

• 25:46Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 25:47Tom Holland?

  So the Montigny are, you know, they're very indignant at this. They regard it as terrible. And out on the streets of Paris, the Soncolot also are appalled by the idea that Louis's fate should be protracted. So on the 30th of December, delegates from about 18 of the sections in Paris, so these are the kind of the local councils in Paris, petition the convention for the tyrant to be put to death immediately. And it's full melodrama. They've got women who are carrying the bloody clothes of relatives who died on that day. They've got people who are kind of hobbling in on crutches after they'd been shot in or stabbed in the leg by the Swiss Guards.

• 26:27Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 26:27Tom Holland?

  It's all absolutely calculated to tug at the heartstrings of of upstanding patriots. And then just when it seems that things can't get any worse for the the Gironde, there's another bombshell. Because early in January, letters are produced showing that three of them, three leading Gironde, had been corresponding with the king in the days building up to the massacre on the 10th of August, the the attack on the Tuileries.

• 26:53Dominic Sandbrook?

  Because at that point, some of them are hoping he might bring them back into his ministry, and that they wouldn't have to have this kind of coup.

• 26:59Tom Holland?

  Yeah. And their claim is, which I'm sure is absolutely genuine, is that they they'd been communicating with the king because they were anxious to save the fatherland, because this was the period when the the Prussians were advancing and everything seemed in a state of disaster. But obviously, this brands them, at the very least, as lacking in confidence in the martial prowess of of the patriotic armies. So that's a bad look. And of course, it's it's particularly bad because you mentioned in the previous episode that the correspondence between the the king and queen and Mirabeau had been produced from the king's safe. And so this sense that everywhere you look, there is treason and treachery, and the mask of patriotism is hiding rancorous treason. This again is

• 27:43Tom Holland?

  terrible for the the Gironde, and it it makes them seem like kind of closet royalists.

• 27:48Dominic Sandbrook?

  So

• 27:48Tom Holland?

  Yeah. Very good news for the Montagnards.

• 27:50Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 27:51Tom Holland?

  So, all of which means that on the 15th of January, the the convention is ready to have these three votes. Is he guilty? Should it should the verdict go to a referendum? What should, if he is guilty, what should the sentence be? So the first motion, is Louis Capet guilty or not guilty? Marat has introduced a motion which is passed that the vote should be public, so that no traitors can practice behind kind of secrecy.

• 28:23Tom Holland?

  And surprise, surprise, a universal absolute majority, nobody votes against the guilty verdict.

• 28:31Dominic Sandbrook?

  There are 26 abstentions.

• 28:33Tom Holland?

  There are 26 abstentions, yes, there are 26 abstentions. So he is duly found guilty. Then there's a vote on should it go to a referendum and this is defeated 425 to 286. So that is a very embarrassing defeat for the Gironde. And then there's the vote on what Louis's punishment should be. And this is an absolutely marathon session. It lasts for over 24 hours. Every deputy has to go up to the tribunal, has to say what he thinks the verdict should be. They are allowed to explain why they have arrived at their decision. Some, podcast style, duly go on for hours and hours.

• 29:15Tom Holland?

  Others give slightly more concise summaries and various decisions are given. So the obvious one is death. The Montagnards are all over this. You know, they think this is a great idea. So they're, they're very keen. It is Robespierre, unsurprisingly, who gives the most ringing and

• 29:34Tom Holland?

  kind of Roman explanation for it. "I am inflexible in relation to oppressors," he declares, "because I am compassionate towards the oppressed. I do not recognize the humanity that butchers the people and pardons despots." So this is how the man who had been very much against the death penalty justifies it.

• 29:52Dominic Sandbrook?

  "I vote for death because I'm so kind," is basically what he's saying.

• 29:56Tom Holland?

  He's all about heart, all heart. And Dominic, the most startling person to vote for the death penalty?

• 30:03Dominic Sandbrook?

  The worst man in the story.

• 30:05Tom Holland?

  Who's that?

• 30:06Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yes, this is Philippe Galliati, Philip Equality, who is the king's own cousin. What a terrible man he is. I mean, at least abstain or at least say exile or something like that. But to go all in in this way for your own cousin, I think is very, very bad behaviour.

• 30:21Tom Holland?

  Even death with the recommendation that the king be reprieved, because that is what some people vote for.

• 30:26Dominic Sandbrook?

  So death and then a pardon. Yeah.

• 30:28Tom Holland?

  Yeah. Others vote for exile and this is generally proposed for geopolitical reasons. The king should be kept as a hostage. And then when peace terms have been negotiated with the kind of hostile powers, then perhaps he can be sent off into exile. There is a brilliant spin, a Rousseauist spin on this from Louis-Sebastien Mercier, who we, the playwright, who is a friend of Alim Dagouche, who in the long run will become a counter-revolutionary. But he's a delegate in the convention. And he proposes that the royal family be transported to Tahiti or some other island in the south, so that contact with nature in the simplicity of a fishing hut would rehabilitate them.

• 31:07Dominic Sandbrook?

  People would pay good money for that.

• 31:08Tom Holland?

  Yeah, it's a brilliant idea. Marie Antoinette would love that, wouldn't she?

• 31:12Dominic Sandbrook?

  That's a very, that's a honeymoon holiday.

• 31:14Tom Holland?

  Yeah, a Tahitian maiden. She could do fishing and surfing like Joseph Banks. It would be great. And Mercier is one of several delegates who say that he's found it very difficult. Weighing up the pros and cons has made him physically ill. Huge stress. There are other people who vote, a minority, who vote for kind of life imprisonment in irons or under very strict surveillance, which of course would have made Louis XVI the second member of the royal family after the man in the iron mask.

• 31:46Dominic Sandbrook?

  Of course.

• 31:47Tom Holland?

  Such a fate.

• 31:48Dominic Sandbrook?

  Very good.

• 31:49Tom Holland?

  And then there are a couple of people suggest that Louis should be sent to the galleys.

• 31:55Dominic Sandbrook?

  Like Jean Valjean.

• 31:56Tom Holland?

  Like Jean Valjean in Les Misérables. So one of them is a very hardcore republican called Joseph-Marie Le Quignot, who is from Brittany, a lawyer inevitably. The reason he argues for it is that he says that this will be a punishment much worse than death. Because of course it's a living hell. And Louis, it has to be said, doesn't seem the kind of man whose physique would lend itself to

• 32:18Dominic Sandbrook?

  No.

• 32:19Tom Holland?

  a lot of strenuous rowing. And then there's Condorcet. You know, this great enthusiast, a very man of compassion, who is opposed on principle to the death penalty. And this is why he votes, because he says that he disapproves of the death penalty. And going to the galleys is, you know,

• 32:35Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 32:36Tom Holland?

  if you're not going to be killed, then you get sent to the galleys. Anyway, so these are all the various options. The vote concludes on the evening of the 17th of January and the tally is actually incredibly close and the king is sentenced to death by one vote.

• 32:52Dominic Sandbrook?

  One vote?

• 32:53Tom Holland?

  It's more if you throw in the, if you include the, the number of people who've recommended, who voted for death but recommended that he be pardoned.

• 33:01Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 33:02Tom Holland?

  And that is kind of tallied. I mean, madly, the Gérondins that they call for reprieve, they ask for another roll call vote, I mean, absolutely madness and that again is rejected. So the final verdict is delivered, um, three o'clock in the morning of the 18th of January. Dawn is a few hours off and it's bad for the Gérondins because they now, again, they've kind of confirmed this sense among the Montagnards that they're closet royalists. But of course, the person it's really bad for is the erstwhile king, Louis Capet. And so his lawyers, who have been standing the whole way through this vote, they haven't been given shares. So it may be that, um, uh, you know,

• 33:45Dominic Sandbrook?

  That fat bloke. Yeah. Would have been in real trouble.

• 33:48Tom Holland?

  Yeah, some justification. Anyway, they are allowed to give their response to the verdict and Malzer, who's a famous orator, gets to the tribunal, tries to give his talk, can't, breaks down in tears. Um, you know, this is a tremendous display of sensibility. Everyone else is in tears. It's very Rousseau. And he then goes from the convention to the temple. He is led into the presence of the convicted criminal, Louis Capet.

• 34:17Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 34:18Tom Holland?

  Again, he tries to tell Louis what's happened. Again, he dissolves into tears. He falls at Louis's feet and it's at Louis's feet that he announces the verdict of the convention. Death.

• 34:33Dominic Sandbrook?

  Well, what a moving scene and actually I'm embarrassed but moved to report to the listeners that Tom actually can't continue because he too has dissolved into tears. So we're going to have to take a break and we'll return after the break when Tom has regained his composure to tell you about Louis's fate.

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• 35:53Dominic Sandbrook?

  Welcome back to The Rest Is History. The good news is that Tom has dried his tears. The bad news is that Louis Capet is facing an appointment with Madame Guillotin. So, Tom, we ended with Mazzes sobbing, announced the verdict to Louis, and then the Convention themselves send a delegation to Louis, don't they, to formally read the verdict to him?

• 36:19Tom Holland?

  So that's three days after the trial.

• 36:22Dominic Sandbrook?

  And he remarkably still is very composed and indeed serene when he receives them.

• 36:28Tom Holland?

  Yeah, everyone comments on this, that almost from the moment he's brought to trial, he does maintain this incredible display of sang froid, I guess is the only word for it.

• 36:41Tom Holland?

  So the delegation from the Convention come to see him on the afternoon of the 20th of January. So that's a Sunday, and they arrive early afternoon at 2 o'clock. And the delegation includes Jacques Ebert, who is the guy who's always writing abusive pamphlets and so on, coming up with the Trumpian nicknames for his enemies. And the Minister of Justice, who is a man called Joseph Garat. And they come into Louis' cell and they read out the sentence of the court to him. And Louis has prepared a list, written list of three requests.

• 37:20Tom Holland?

  So the first of these, he asks a delay of three days to be able to prepare myself to appear in the presence of God. This is rejected. He is told he is going to be executed in the morning, so on the 21st of January. Then he requests freedom for his family. And you said how, when he was with them, for the four months of his imprisonment before the trial start, he had been living like a kind of middle class family under Covid, with a garden, homeschooling, all that kind of thing. So I guess he's had a kind of last experience as the family man that I think he always was at heart. So he's had that, but now he wants to make sure that they will be set free.

• 38:02Tom Holland?

  They will not be set free, so this request too will be rejected. But he is told by Garret, I mean, Garret doesn't dash his hopes at that point. So he says that the nation, always magnanimous, always just, will consider your family's fate. So Louis can go to the guillotine, hoping at least that he's secured the possibility of liberty for his family.

• 38:22Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 38:22Tom Holland?

  One kind of sub request to that though is granted, which is that Louis will be allowed to see his family for one last time. So as we said, they've been separated. And then his third request is also granted, and this is to hear confession from a priest who has maintained his independence from the kind of the republican church that's been set up. So a non-durian priest, as they're called, one who hasn't sworn the oath of loyalty to the republic. And so Louis has had a recommendation from his sister, Madame Elizabeth, who is imprisoned in the temple with him. And this amazingly is an Irishman. It's a guy called Henry Essex Edgeworth, who is the son of an Irish convert and is related to Maria Edgeworth.

• 39:07Dominic Sandbrook?

  The novelist, yeah.

• 39:08Tom Holland?

  Yeah. So he'd been the son of a Church of Ireland priest who had converted to Catholicism when Henry was four and they'd moved to France and Edgeworth had been brought up by the Jesuit in Toulouse, he'd become a priest, he'd become l'abbaye de Fiermont. And he had become Madame Elizabeth's confessor in seventeen ninety one. And he's very respected, even by by the kind of the sanglot, by the revolutionary leaders. He's admired. And so he is allowed access to the king, or the ex king, I should say. And he arrives at the temple that evening at seven o'clock. And from this point on, he will stay with the king until the very point of his execution.

• 39:47Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right.

• 39:48Tom Holland?

  So an hour after the abbaye de Fiermont has arrived, Louis's family are brought into his presence. So that's Marie Antoinette, the dauphin, his son, his daughter, Madame Royale, and his sister, Madame Elizabeth. And they're taken into the cell. And although the guards keep watch, they can't hear what is said. And the best account we have of this comes from the man who's been serving Louis as his valet. He's a man called Jean Baptiste Clery. And he had been appointed to the role of valet by the municipality of Paris. He's a republican, he's a revolutionary. But over the course of his term of service, he has basically been turned.

• 40:30Tom Holland?

  You know, he comes to admire and respect Louis for his serene behaviour, for his sangfroid, for his stiff upper lip. And in due course, he comes to write a very favourable account of Louis's last months and days and hours. And he says of this meeting, this last meeting between Louis and his family. It was impossible to hear anything. One only saw that after each phrase of the king, the sobs of the princesses redoubled. And that then the king began again to speak. It was easy to judge from their movements that he himself had told them of his condemnation. And they're together for two hours and they can't bear to be parted.

• 41:07Tom Holland?

  And in the end, it's Louis, Louis himself says, look, don't worry, you can see me again tomorrow morning before I go to the guillotine. And this is a lie, but it's designed to get them out of the cell in a mood of hope. But as the family are being ushered out, his daughter, the Princess Royale, bursts into floods of tears, hugs her father, collapses in a dead faint, and the family all gather round, bring her back. And this is the last time that they they spend time together.

• 41:37Dominic Sandbrook?

  And she's a teenager, isn't she? She's what, fifteen or so?

• 41:40Tom Holland?

  Yeah. So that's that, that's the last time that they are together. Meanwhile, the king is not the only person who has been hanging out with a priest, because someone else has been receiving absolution. And this is someone that we mentioned in our last series. It's the man who will be operating the guillotine and executing the king the next morning. And this is Henri Sanson, the man who had been the royal executioner. And who is, I guess, a kind of living link between the Ancien Régime and the new world that the revolution has ushered in.

• 42:17Dominic Sandbrook?

  Because he's part of a, he's the sixth generation, I think, of Sansons who've been executioners, isn't he?

• 42:23Tom Holland?

  Yes, and we did an episode on how all the kind of the weirdness surrounding executions, and indeed, the role of the executioner, had been systematically got rid of by the republican legislators. So Sanson, who had been the sinister figure in scholar robes, who could just walk through marketplaces and grab whatever he wanted, and wasn't allowed to go to theatres and things. He's now a state functionary, and the emphasis is on the rational, the mechanical, the everyday. And so it's been decided that the king will be executed like any other criminal now in France by the guillotine.

• 43:02Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 43:03Tom Holland?

  And because they want a stage suitable for the execution of a former king, they fix on the largest open square in the whole of Paris, which is what today is the Place de la Concorde, but had originally been the Place Louis, Louis XV. So there'd been a huge statue of Louis XV on a pedestal that had been removed back in August 1792, so the pedestal is now empty. And actually, in due course, a large statue of liberty will be set up on it. It's also next to the Tuileries, so there's a kind of symbolic resonance there as well, because the Tuileries is seen as, you know, this place where the blood of citizens had been spilled on the orders of the tyrant. So it's fitting that he be put to death within eyesight of it.

• 43:49Tom Holland?

  And the Place Louis Has been renamed the Place de la Révolution. Symbolically, it works on pretty much every level. And so the the guillotine is brought there. It's set up in the middle of it and Sanson, you know, he he checks the hinges. He gets out the oil, makes sure the blade is properly weighted, sharpens it. And the whole point is the death is something kind of republican, something progressive.

• 44:18Dominic Sandbrook?

  Clean and modern.

• 44:19Tom Holland?

  Clean and modern. Uh, so not appropriate to the dispatch, not just of a king, but of monarchy itself.

• 44:26Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 44:27Tom Holland?

  So the day dawns and massive preparations have been made. So armed men, soldiers, members of the National Guard have been ordered to line the entire route from the temple to the Place de la Révolution to make sure that the crowds are kept back. And more importantly, that royalists can't kind of try and make an attempt to rescue the king or anything like that.

• 44:52Dominic Sandbrook?

  Again, this is this is very Charles the First in Whitehall, isn't it? Absolutely the same scenario.

• 44:58Tom Holland?

  One thing that isn't like Charles the First, though, where members of the general public were allowed to watch the execution in the Place de la Révolution, it's only soldiers. So there are only armed men, about eighty thousand of them. There are eighty four pieces of artillery. So the people there, they're armed and they're complete revolutionaries. They're complete republicans. There's no doubt about that.

• 45:18Dominic Sandbrook?

  If the guillotine doesn't work, they can turn their cannons on him.

• 45:21Tom Holland?

  Exactly. Blast him to pieces. So orders are issued that anyone who cries out for the king to be pardoned or who gives any manifestation of royalist sympathy at all will be arrested and imprisoned. Because the delegates to the convention, they're worried about the natural compassion of of the feminine. They're worried that women are more prone to displays of sympathy than men. A decree is ordered that all women should stay in their homes. They're not allowed out to watch the the display and execution. All houses are ordered to be shuttered. So again, people can't lean out and kind of watch the passing display.

• 46:01Tom Holland?

  And the mayor of Paris has a very stentorian notice plastered across the walls of the city so that everyone can read it. "The sword of the law," this notice declares, "will strike the greatest and the guiltiest of conspirators. You have, citizens of Paris, during the course of this long trial, maintained the calm that is suitable for free men. You will know how to preserve it at the instant of the execution of the tyrant. You will prove by the decorum of your behaviour that an act of justice in no way resembles vengeance. That day will be for kings and for peoples at once a memorable example of the just punishment of despots and of the mournful dignity that a sovereign people must keep in the exercise of its power."

• 46:43Tom Holland?

  And the thing is, people in the revolution just cannot stop talking like that.

• 46:47Dominic Sandbrook?

  That's true. Yeah.

• 46:49Tom Holland?

  All speeches, all public proclamations, they all sound like they've been lifted from, you know, a schoolbook of Latin prose.

• 46:57Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, they do, don't they? Well, they're doing it deliberately. That's how they think a revolutionary should write.

• 47:02Tom Holland?

  So, early hours of the morning, the streets of Paris are sounding to the rumble of the artillery being taken into the faste de la Révolution. You hear the clopping of hoofs of cavalry riding to take up place, the tread of soldiers taking up their positions. 5am, Sanson, the executioner, is wakened by his assistant so that he can go again, you know, check all the mechanics and everything, he doesn't want it to go wrong. And at the same time, in the temple, 5 o'clock, Louis is wakened by Clary, his valet, who shaves him. 6am, Louis's last confession with the Abbe de Fiermont, his confessor. He has not eaten the night before, he doesn't eat now because the last rites are accompanied by fasting. 7am, he is dressed by Clary.

• 47:47Tom Holland?

  He wears, we're told, a fresh shirt, a white waistcoat, grey trousers, a light jacket. And Louis takes off his wedding ring to be given to Marie Antoinette. And he has a royal seal, which he's taken from his watch, so that hadn't been confiscated, and this is to be given to his son. And his son, of course, before the morning is out, will become, if you are a royalist, Louis XVII. 7:45, a delegation from the city of Paris arrives. They are accompanied by fourteen soldiers. They stand to attention in two rows outside Louis's cell. Louis asks for permission for Clary to cut his hair at the nape of his neck because he doesn't want the humiliation of having Sanson, the executioner, do it, which is something,

• 48:31Tom Holland?

  of course, that Sanson has done many, many times over the course of his career. But this is denied him. He is a common criminal. He is going to be treated like a common criminal. Louis then kneels down. He's blessed by the abbey. They then stand around. It's a bit of embarrassment. Nobody's quite sure what to do. So Louis then says, "Pardon", you know, "Let's head off. Let's go." They go outside. It's very cold. There's a fog everywhere, so hard to see through the gloom. Out in the streets, piles of snow so that people can get by along the road. I said that Louis is to be treated like a common criminal. There is one exception to this, and that is that he is given a coach. So he's not put in the tumbrel in the open cart. And the reason for that is basically security. If he's in the coach, it's much easier to guard him. And the coach has been

• 49:16Tom Holland?

  provided by Garat, the Minister of Justice. It's a great bottle green thing, although not as large as the coach that...

• 49:23Dominic Sandbrook?

  Not the Varennes super coach.

• 49:25Tom Holland?

  The Varennes, the Varennes wasp-like coach that they take into Varennes. So Louis gets into the coach. There are two members of the security services, I suppose you could say, sitting on either side. The abbey sits at the front. And the whole way there, Louis is murmuring the prayer of the dying over and over to himself. Otherwise, he doesn't say anything. And as they set off, there are a hundred mounted police behind it, a hundred mounted members of the National Guard. So the rumbling of the wheels, the clopping of the horses, generally silence from the watching crowds who are massed behind the lines of the guards along the route. They set off at eight o'clock, and it takes them two hours to get there.

• 50:11Tom Holland?

  And in the course of those two hours, there are two royalist attempts to reach Louis. They're both easily subdued, easily stopped. And at 10 o'clock, the carriage arrives in the Place de la Révolution. And it stands still for five minutes. And then Sanson's assistant steps up to it, opens up the door, the steps are pulled down. And Louis is seized by Sanson and his assistants. When they touch him, Louis loses his sense of composure. Because we've talked about that sense that the king's body is inviolate. How dare people manhandle him? But then he catches the eye of his confessor, of the abbe.

• 50:56Tom Holland?

  And the abbe kind of says, you know, don't do this. This is, you don't need to do this. And clearly, they've talked about the Passion of Christ. And essentially, Louis is thinking, well, you know, his saviour suffered worse. So he accepts to be handled by the executioners. So he then, he takes off his coat and he pulls down his shirt so that his neck is open. His wrists are bound behind his back. His wig is taken off and then Sanson comes with the shears, with the clippers. And his hair is cut so that the nape of his neck is exposed. He climbs up to the guillotine.

• 51:37Tom Holland?

  He has to lean on the abbe because he's got his hands behind his back, so a bit unstable. And when he gets onto the scaffold, he tries to address the crowd. And he seems to have uttered a few sentences. So according to various accounts, he says, people, I die innocent of the crimes that they ascribe to me. I forgive the authors of my death and I pray to God that the blood you are about to spill will never fall back upon France. And at this point, there is a great drum roll. The captain of the guard has been prepared to do this, should Louis try to make a public speech. And so Louis' voice is drowned out. As the drums are rolling, Sanson's assistants get hold of Louis. They strap him down onto the board and they push him out so that his head is protruding, ready for the blade.

• 52:21Tom Holland?

  Cut through the neck. It's Sanson himself who pulls on the cord. The blade hisses down, cuts straight through Louis' neck and the head drops into the basket. And it is ten twenty two a m. Sanson then does what he'd do with any beheaded criminal. He picks up the head and he shows it to the crowd and the people roar back in answer. Vive la nation, vive la république. There is then the sound of gunfire, of artillery to mark the moment. And in the distant temple, Marie Antoinette hears it. She knows what it signals and she drops to her knees before her son, who a few minutes before had been the Dauphin and now in the opinion of Marie Antoinette

• 53:05Tom Holland?

  and all royalists in France is Louis XVII.

• 53:09Dominic Sandbrook?

  Crikey, what a moment. So you mentioned the crowd. The crowd, of course, are mainly troops because the ordinary people of Paris have been kept away from this this moment. But within a couple of hours of this, am I not right in thinking that the the troops have moved away? People come into the streets. It's a little bit like kind of public holiday. People are strolling around and, you know, I know it's January, so it's not exactly that they're enjoying the sunshine. But people are acting as though it's just an ordinary Sunday or something, sort of taking the air as though nothing has happened.

• 53:42Tom Holland?

  So Marat, a couple of days later, he describes the public mood on that day in the the hours that follow Louis' execution. And he says that the people seemed animated with a serene joy. One might have said that they had just attended a religious festival. And he might well have put it like that because essentially, you know, and Marat is very conscious of this. What has been staged is a kind of ritual of sacrifice. And it's a sacrifice that has enabled the Republic to be born in a way that it had not previously been born. So Marat, in the article he wrote on the twenty third, so two days after the execution, he goes on to say, the head of the tyrant has just fallen. The same blow has overthrown the foundations of monarchy among us. His life is no more, his body is now nothing but a corpse.

• 54:27Tom Holland?

  At last, I believe in the Republic. So amazing, the Marat of all people, this is what it has taken for him to believe that the Republic exists at last. And there's a massive paradox here because Louis did have to die as a king for the Republic to be born, because otherwise the sacrifice wouldn't have had the quality that it does have. But the moment he's dead and the Republic has been given existence, then his body has to be treated as though he had been nothing, as though he's just an ordinary citizen convicted of a crime. Nothing more, nothing less, no kind of special treatment in any way. So certainly, Louis' body is not allowed to be buried in a kind of, you know, the royal catacombs

• 55:12Tom Holland?

  or anything like that. There had been a request before the execution from royalists for him to be buried next to his father, that had been denied. But at the same time, no special kind of desecration, no humiliations perpetrated on the corpse. Instead, he has to be buried, that the convention has decreed, in the ordinary place of burial for citizens in the section that includes where he will be executed. That's what they've said. So just as though he's any other condemned criminal. So he gets taken to the church that serves as the burial ground for executed criminals. His funeral service is conducted not by the abbe, who had been his confessor, but by a priest who is acceptable to the Republic, to the revolutionaries.

• 55:56Tom Holland?

  His body is then thrown into a ditch on a bed of quicklime, which will help it become kind of mulch. The head is tossed in as well, and then it's covered by more quicklime. So there are, this is a communal grave. There is to be no marker. Instead, it is left mingled up with other corpses where it will decompose. The whole thing, it's no special treatment whatsoever.

• 56:19Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 56:20Tom Holland?

  And that's the intention. But of course, in the long run, it turns out neither side really content with this spin on the execution of Louis or the fate of his body. And so for royalists, obviously, this is a terrible crime. And as had happened with Charles I, so with Louis XVI, it doesn't take them long before they are comparing Louis' fate to that of Christ.

• 56:43Dominic Sandbrook?

  Right. A martyr.

• 56:45Tom Holland?

  He's a martyr. Yeah, he's a Christian martyr. A martyr for For monarchy, but above all a martyr for the true church.

• 56:53Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah.

• 56:54Tom Holland?

  But Republicans as well, and it may be that they are reacting to the kind of the royalist propaganda. They find it impossible to rest content with the idea that Louis had died simply as a common criminal. So already within a week of Louis's execution, you get newspapers claiming that his death, rather than being what it had been, which was something wholly unexceptional, that had been the whole point, had actually been something shameful and disgraceful. So in one paper, you get an account at the instant that speech was so brutally taken from him by a definite beating of drums. Louis entered into a violent anger, stamped his foot, struggled with vigor with the executionist assistants, let out terrible cries and fought to the end to such an extent that he had not his neck, but the back of his head and his jaw horribly mutilated by the fatal knife.

• 57:39Tom Holland?

  So this is a claim that is quite often made that it took two goes of the guillotine to sever his neck.

• 57:46Dominic Sandbrook?

  Which is not true.

• 57:46Tom Holland?

  And also there are reports that as he died, he let out a piercing scream. Again, not true, you know, his vocal cords have been severed. And there are also claims which supposedly derive from Sanson and Sanson, you know, they become so repeated that Sanson actually has to publicly reject them. That on the night before his execution and the hours before he's taken to the guillotine, Louis had been stuffing his face. And this is to repeat the old child, you know, that he's the pig, the pig king. And there are accounts that, you know, he'd been so fat that he hadn't fitted on to the board that, you know, that he's executed on. And there's another one that his, you know, his, the bulges and folds of his neck had been so obese that it wouldn't fit in the slot.

• 58:32Tom Holland?

  Again, not true, I mean, simply not true.

• 58:34Dominic Sandbrook?

  Yeah, because of course he'd been fasting because for religious reasons, yeah.

• 58:38Tom Holland?

  Yes, he had. And so it's an attempt to kind of contradict that. And what it does, of course, is to ensure that Louis's execution, rather than providing, as it were, a clear cut between the age of monarchy and the republic. And that the republic is now uncontested. It's not uncontested at all. The way in which. Both royalists and republicans try and rewrite the story of Louis's execution. Actually bodes very ill for France because it suggests that there are deep entrenched principled opinions about what has been done, that there isn't really any hope of reconciling them.

• 59:24Tom Holland?

  And it suggests that even though perhaps the foreign threats to France have been beaten off, although who knows for how long now that the king has been executed? Who knows what the international response to that will be? But that may not be the worst of it because it suggests that actually within the body of France itself, a civil war may be brewing.

• 59:44Dominic Sandbrook?

  Wow. What a dramatic end to the third series on the French Revolution. Season three has come to an end with the execution of Louis XVI. But many of the big players are still around and in play. Marie Antoinette, Rob Speer, Danton Mara. In season four, which will be coming later this year, we will find out what happens to all of those characters. A little spoiler alert for you. None of them will make it into, well, they definitely won't be around in season six or seven, will they? That's for, that's for sure. So there's an awful lot of drama, a lot of bloodshed to come. No doubt in our forthcoming bonus episodes for the Mestres History Club members,

• 1:00:27Dominic Sandbrook?

  we'll be talking about some of the issues that have come up in this series. But thank you for listening. We will return to the French Revolution later in the year. Tom, merci beaucoup et au revoir. Au revoir.

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