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1:37 Holly Frey? Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeartRadio.
1:48 Holly Frey? Hello and happy Friday.
1:51 Holly Frey? Uh, I'm Holly Frey.
1:53 Tracy V. Wilson? And I'm Tracy V. Wilson.
1:54 Holly Frey? Holly Frey, and I can't figure out how to do the thing I do all the time, which is-
1:58 Tracy V. Wilson? How do we start episodes?
2:00 Holly Frey? Listen-
2:01 Tracy V. Wilson? We just forget how sometimes.
2:03 Holly Frey? Sometimes. Uh, we talked about unusual White House pets this week.
2:07 Tracy V. Wilson? We did do that.
2:09 Holly Frey? I love talking about animals, obviously. I am tickled by the misinformation that pops up around these. I love that we could myth bust that whole John Quincy Adams having an alligator thing.
2:25 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
2:27 Holly Frey? I liked talking about Tad Lincoln, who doesn't get a lot of play.
2:31 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
2:31 Holly Frey? But sure, sounds like quite a kid. Unfortunately, Tad did not live very long either. He died when he was 18.
2:38 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
2:38 Holly Frey? The Lincolns really had, like, Mary Todd Lincoln had so much heartache in her life.
2:45 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
2:45 Holly Frey? I know she can be a little divisive in some ways, but I also just, my heart goes out to her through time.
2:53 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
2:54 Holly Frey? But I do love the idea that they could not, could not possibly resist letting Tad have his pet turkey.
3:04 Tracy V. Wilson? I have so many questions about that turkey. Like, the turkey was living inside, right? So presumably, the turkey's pooping in the house.
3:13 Holly Frey? Yeah, probably.
3:14 Tracy V. Wilson? Just seems inconvenient.
3:18 Holly Frey? I mean,
3:19 Tracy V. Wilson? and annoying.
3:20 Holly Frey? That's how pets work.
3:21 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
3:22 Holly Frey? Unless your cats don't use, use the bathroom, I think most of them.
3:27 Tracy V. Wilson? They have a designated place.
3:30 Holly Frey? I know.
3:31 Tracy V. Wilson? I feel like a turkey might just be doing it wherever.
3:34 Holly Frey? Maybe.
3:35 Tracy V. Wilson? You and I also had a conversation that we, we asked Casey to cut because it was not really relevant, but here in the Boston area, there are wild turkeys that can be really aggressive. And so I was like, what is the personality of this turkey exactly? And, and you had said that there was, there's no suggestion that the turkey was ever aggressive. So like, that's good.
3:58 Holly Frey? Yeah.
3:59 Tracy V. Wilson? But I'm still like, did we have random turkey poop all over the White House?
4:04 Holly Frey? I mean, listen, the Coolidge White House was probably much more of a mess.
4:08 Tracy V. Wilson? Sure.
4:09 Holly Frey? Because they had a million.
4:10 Tracy V. Wilson? Were they putting the turkey in a diaper?
4:13 Holly Frey? Probably not.
4:14 Tracy V. Wilson? It's a thing that can be done.
4:17 Holly Frey? Yeah, that's true.
4:19 Tracy V. Wilson? You know.
4:20 Holly Frey? I don't know. Nobody ever discussed the bathroom habits of the turkey.
4:25 Tracy V. Wilson? No.
4:26 Holly Frey? Nor did they discuss the bathroom habits of Rebecca Raccoon.
4:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
4:30 Holly Frey? But I do, I do know that raccoons can be litter box drained.
4:34 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Raccoon poop can also carry some things that are hazardous to people.
4:41 Holly Frey? Yeah.
4:42 Tracy V. Wilson? I have a lot of, all of these animals. I mean, we said on, in the show, like, the wild animals should not be kept as pets.
4:50 Holly Frey? Yeah.
4:50 Tracy V. Wilson? They are, in addition to the fact that they can be, like, a lot more destructive to a human-built environment than a domesticated pet animal would be, a lot of times it's just not good for them to be kept as pets. Like, it's, it's very different from their temperament and their needs for, you know, space and whether they roam, whether they need to have the community of other animals to really be, there's so many things, so many.
5:24 Holly Frey? I will, yeah, I will say this. What I kept thinking about in writing this episode, and particularly writing about the Coolidge White House,
5:33 Holly Frey? was that, like, the Coolidges clearly had big hearts and loved animals, but they also were not and did not know any animal behaviorists.
5:43 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay, sure. And where was that science in its development at that time is like also a question.
5:49 Holly Frey? Yeah, it didn't exist at that point. Nobody was really considering the emotional needs of animals and what they might want at that point.
5:57 Tracy V. Wilson? All of these things were happening, like, in the context of the time that they were happening in, in which people's perceptions of animals were very different in a lot of ways than today. But it still feels worth saying when doing an episode like this, like, number one, pets, wild animals, do not make good pets for a lot of reasons. And also, just don't give people wild animals or any animals as surprise gifts.
6:24 Holly Frey? No, and I did want to mention that in relation to our listener mail because our listener mail mentions that she got her dog as a surprise gift from her husband. But I wanted to point out before anybody can say you should not do that. In that case, I don't want her to ever get attacked because it was clear they had started talking about a dog before then.
6:44 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, yeah.
6:45 Holly Frey? So that was, there are certain circumstances where, yes, you could give someone as a pet as a gift.
6:50 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
6:50 Holly Frey? But as a true surprise, it's a bad idea always.
6:54 Tracy V. Wilson? Well, and it's like if, like you were just saying, like if you and your partner or you and your family or you and whoever have had discussions about getting a pet and the care of the pet and who's responsible for what, and like you've made a decision together about a pet happening, and then there is a surprise puppy under the Christmas tree, that's not what we're talking about.
7:14 Holly Frey? Yeah.
7:15 Tracy V. Wilson? We're talking about surprise, the letter carrier has arrived with a raccoon in a crate.
7:21 Holly Frey? Yeah.
7:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Which, that was intended for food, but that's a part of the nuance, but like that, that's just a live animal that you have sent to a person without talking them about it.
7:32 Holly Frey? Yeah, I also feel like some of it is dependent on the personalities of the people involved.
7:38 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh huh.
7:39 Holly Frey? My beloved could surprise me with any animal, any day of the week, and I'm going to be excited.
7:44 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
7:45 Holly Frey? The reverse could not be said. And part of that is, right, listen, I know a little bit about raccoons kept in houses because I grew up with a mom that didn't have boundaries, which is not great, but we had a lot of inappropriate pets for a very particular stretch of my family's household time, where my dad was stationed overseas, my mom was a little bit on the struggle bus in terms of her mental health.
8:12 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
8:13 Holly Frey? And I was definitely perfectly happy as a child to be like, right on, we got weird things that live in our house, because I was a child. Um, like when I look back, I'm like, oh dear lord.
8:25 Tracy V. Wilson? I think you mentioned the deer recently, there was a deer that lived in your house. There was somebody who was like, I need more detail about what happened with this deer.
8:36 Holly Frey? Yeah. I'm a little reluctant to talk about it, only because there are portions of our family that don't know about this.
8:45 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh dear.
8:46 Holly Frey? Ha ha.
8:48 Holly Frey? And I don't want to get anybody upset.
8:51 Tracy V. Wilson? You don't want to get anybody in trouble.
8:53 Holly Frey? A deer that lived in the house. That is what I will say. If you ever meet me in person, I will happily tell you the whole story.
9:02 Tracy V. Wilson? Not for broadcast.
9:03 Holly Frey? Not for broadcast, and it doesn't have a great ending, I will tell you that. That's the other thing, it's a downer. But, uh, yeah, yeah, we had a variety of weird animals, you know, dogs and cats, but also fish and deer and perhaps briefly a raccoon. There are some secret animals that, that people still alive today would not be happy to discover had lived in their home.
9:30 Holly Frey? Listen, everybody's childhood is different. This is probably why I'm so like, I love change, I'm good with whatever, I don't need, because I'm, I, I was very used to like
9:39 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
9:39 Holly Frey? weird things happening in my life. In any case, I said I would tell the story of a swearing bird, and I also had to be very careful about this one, because it is not my story, it is a story of
9:53 Holly Frey? an animal trainer that I have met in my life who used to train birds specifically to appear in a bird show.
10:06 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
10:06 Holly Frey? A very popular bird show.
10:10 Holly Frey? And they would take birds that needed to be rehomed sometimes, like, and in this case, they had taken in a parrot who had been owned by two people, they had had him a very long time, they were elderly, they could no longer care for him. There had been a lot of discussion back and forth of like, oh, he's a great bird, he loves people, he's very comfortable around humans, he sings, like, he knows songs and stuff. And he did, and he was very great, and they spent a lot of time training him and prepping him. But what happens is a lot of times there are weird latent behaviors that an animal will have, that when you put them in a staged scenario, which has a little bit of a heightened stress, those latent behaviors will pop out unexpectedly.
10:56 Holly Frey? And they had, in this case- Face had never come out at all while they were doing training. This bird had been calm, cool and collected, did all of the tricks that they had been told he would do. And then when he came out for his debut and he was onstage with a little girl from the audience, he shouted expletives in that kid's face, which they had never heard him say before. And that was the end of his performing career, but he was still kept by this animal sanctuary that that ran this program.
11:25 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
11:26 Holly Frey? But like, it happens all the time. So there's also part of me reading the Andrew Jackson bird thing, that this is a bird who lived with someone who loved it for the last eight years of of that person's life.
11:38 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
11:38 Holly Frey? And then that person is gone and suddenly there are 3,000 people at your house. So it could have just been a latent behavior that he didn't normally do in front of people. Uh huh. She, she was a female parrot and that it popped out in a moment of obvious stress.
11:55 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
11:56 Holly Frey? You know, it's like a human, when you hit your hand with a hammer, even people that do not have potty mouths like me, will say a swear word at that moment.
12:05 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh huh.
12:06 Holly Frey? Animals will do weird things when they are put in stressful situations or they don't understand something. So.
12:12 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
12:13 Holly Frey? I'm going to give Paul grace. She may have been a really cool bird.
12:17 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
12:18 Holly Frey? And then yelled so much at the funeral that she had to be escorted out. Oh, animals, they're the best.
12:26 Tracy V. Wilson? Her person was gone and there was a giant crowd. Of course she was stressed out.
12:30 Holly Frey? Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot, a lot. I mean, anybody that has pets, normal. I'm using the word boring not to say that your pet is boring, but like expected boring.
12:43 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
12:44 Holly Frey? Typical pets like cats and dogs. When you have guests over to your house, they might act weird.
12:50 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
12:51 Holly Frey? We've all seen it, right? Like, you know, your cat that is super loving to you may run away when a stranger comes in the house.
12:58 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh huh.
12:59 Holly Frey? Or they may do something, we used to have a cat that would do something very inappropriate when people came over to the house. It happens in stressful situations for animals. So. Justice for Paul. I don't know. I.
13:12 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
13:15 Holly Frey? African gray parrots also are incredibly smart.
13:18 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
13:19 Holly Frey? Do form very strong attachments to people.
13:22 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, and live a long time.
13:24 Holly Frey? Have very long memories to go with their long lives. Like they will, there's no telling what that bird had experienced even before it lived in the Jackson household. So.
13:33 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
13:35 Holly Frey? They're very beautiful.
13:36 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
13:36 Holly Frey? Can, can be mean like any other animal. Some of them have personalities that are not cozy.
13:42 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
13:42 Holly Frey? Anyway.
13:43 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. Everyone needs to make provisions for what happens to their pets after they die.
13:49 Holly Frey? Yes.
13:50 Tracy V. Wilson? But those parrots, extra so, because.
13:53 Holly Frey? Yeah.
13:54 Tracy V. Wilson? It's likely that they will outlive, outlive a lot of people.
13:58 Holly Frey? Yeah, I mean, that's a, a, a thing that normally if you are getting birds from a reputable place, they will be very clear about like, the life expectancy of this bird is longer than yours, probably, depending on, you know, where you are in your life when you get it. And like theoretically, you will be coached through that.
14:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
14:20 Holly Frey? At the time you acquire that bird, but it is, it's a tricky thing. I think no matter where you are in your life, if you have animals, I hope you have a plan in place for if something happens to you. Even if it's like a handshake agreement, we have one with our pet sitter. Each of us would take the other's animals if something happened. And that's in part because we do know each other's animals so well. We know their healthcare routines there. And also just because we would like to know they're with somebody that we know that would love them. So.
14:51 Tracy V. Wilson? Ours are in our will.
14:53 Holly Frey? Yeah. Yeah, we don't have anything written down. We probably should, but everybody in our social circle knows that's the plan. So, you know, gotta make it, you gotta make allowances for your babies. I think about it all the time because three of ours that we've gotten this year, and I've told the story a couple of times, came from one home that could no longer care for them. And part of the reason we took all three was because I was like, if those were my pets, I would want them kept together and to know that they had that continuity in their lives to reduce distress. And also they're all just great cats. So like, we kind of won the jackpot there. But, you know, you gotta think about these things when you adopt animals. That's a long-term commitment that may.
15:35 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
15:36 Holly Frey? Be longer term than your life, unfortunately. So you gotta, gotta be ready for the babies.
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18:37 Holly Frey? We talked about cranberries this week.
18:40 Tracy V. Wilson? We did.
18:42 Holly Frey? I have many cranberry thoughts.
18:44 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
18:45 Holly Frey? One, we're just gonna take it head on. The arguments over food. I hate them. I hate them.
18:50 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah, I find it really frustrating.
18:53 Holly Frey? There was, I think you were not working in our office when somebody was working on a podcast that was gonna be about food debates. And everybody started emailing around like, "This food is better. This food should not exist." Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I literally got so frustrated by the email chain that was coming to me over and over that I stood up from my desk and yelled, "Can we stop arguing about food?" Except there were expletives involved. Like, I just, I hate it so much. Let people eat what they wanna eat.
19:22 Tracy V. Wilson? So I think, like, something that I think is fine is when there are regional or cultural ways of making food, to say, like, for example, in Lexington-style barbecue in North Carolina, there is a slaw that is served with it called red slaw. Red slaw is not for everybody.
19:46 Holly Frey? Right.
19:47 Tracy V. Wilson? But I love it. And I love having Lexington-style barbecue with that red slaw. That's all great to me. I'm telling people the nuances of different kinds, like, different cultural, regionally-specific, ethnically-specific, whatever, types of food, all great. But when we get into the realm of people being outraged that someone else who has nothing to do with them...
20:13 Tracy V. Wilson? Put some ingredient into their potato salad. I'm like, can we not? If you don't want that in your potato salad, don't put it in there. And if you don't like that person's potato salad, don't eat it. But we don't need to go on a gigantic diatribe and bring out pitchforks about the potato salad ingredients.
20:34 Holly Frey? Yeah, I mean, this is my thing. Like, I'm not saying everybody should be cool with every food, because obviously you have tastes and preferences. I don't like everything on the planet, but I, I don't think people realize how denigrating it is to bark at other people about the way they eat. Like, and their preferences, because you wouldn't want somebody to come at you about the way you eat. Listen, I know people don't like canned, jellied cranberry sauce, but I'm here to say it has its place.
21:07 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
21:08 Holly Frey? One, it's what I grew up on, which cracks me up, and I don't understand this particular thing, because my mom was a make everything from scratch mom. But for some reason, that never applied to cranberry sauce.
21:20 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
21:21 Holly Frey? And I don't know what that was about. Cranberry, jellied cranberry sauce is very appealing to kids.
21:26 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
21:27 Holly Frey? Because it is high sugar usually. It's jelly. You know what I mean? Like.
21:31 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. I'm laughing because when I was a kid at my grandmother's Thanksgiving,
21:38 Tracy V. Wilson? like, that, that was on the table. And as a kid, I never tried it because I did not like the look of it.
21:43 Holly Frey? Yeah.
21:44 Tracy V. Wilson? I was like, that looks wrong to me. No. So I was an adult before I ever had any kind of, like, cranberry salad at Thanksgiving. And then it was like a homemade salad made from scratch.
21:57 Holly Frey? Yeah, I know. Both are good. I mean, I like the homemade kind, because again, it is so easy and you can doctor it up and do your own thing with it. And like,
22:04 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
22:04 Holly Frey? if you have never made cranberry sauce and you like to try things in the kitchen, I highly recommend, because it couldn't be easier. It's literally to throw some cranberries in a, in a saucepan with sugar.
22:14 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
22:15 Holly Frey? Let that stuff simmer. You might add a tiny amount of water, just so that the, before the cranberries start popping, the sugar doesn't scorch.
22:24 Holly Frey? But then you just let it go. But then you can add stuff. Add a little vanilla. Some people add orange.
22:28 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
22:29 Holly Frey? You can add, you can do anything you want with that. You can add a little bit of rum to it and make it a whole other flavor and it's delicious.
22:35 Tracy V. Wilson? One of our farmers at our farmer's market this year had cranberries for a couple of weeks and Patrick bought some and I was like, what are you gonna do with those cranberries? And he was like, I don't know.
22:47 Tracy V. Wilson? And what he did do was he made a jam out of them and it was so good.
22:50 Holly Frey? Oh, I will tell you what I'm about to do with cranberries here in a minute because I feel so almost like foolish about the way our Thanksgiving went down this year, in a good way, that I feel like I need to confess to everybody what a ding dong I am at all points in time. We often, first of all, Brian and I pared down Thanksgiving. We have Thanksgiving with just the two of us.
23:10 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
23:11 Holly Frey? We are on the go so much that there are very few days that are holidays where it's like, you know what, what if you and I just hang out together? And we eat a feast and we build Lego and we watch Star Wars things on TV. And I, you know, make a cocktail and it's wonderful. And so Thanksgiving has become one of those. And sometimes I cook, but a lot of times I will just order a feast from a restaurant if one of the restaurants near us that we like has one. I messed up that order this year in a comedic way because
23:41 Tracy V. Wilson? Uh oh.
23:41 Holly Frey? The restaurant that I have ordered from many times in the past changed their copy on their website about what was included. And it seemed like a pared down version of the feast. Like it seemed like your turkey, your stuffing, you had options on some of the sides. But like it didn't mention cranberry sauce and it didn't mention desserts.
24:01 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
24:02 Holly Frey? And first of all, I ordered an unconscionable amount of food for like eight people.
24:07 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
24:07 Holly Frey? Thinking like, we're gonna eat off of this for four days and it's gonna be magic. Because we know I love my leftovers. But then I went to pick it up and there was so much more things. They handed us a big thing of cranberry sauce, which is their homemade version. And then like this entire tray of pecan and pumpkin custard tartlets. And I was like, oh.
24:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Goodness.
24:30 Holly Frey? And I said, oh, because I had already purchased fresh cranberries to make my own sauce and ingredients to make pies. And I was like, well, now I have a lot of cranberries on hand. So what I am doing.
24:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
24:41 Holly Frey? Is making cranberry liqueur.
24:43 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
24:45 Holly Frey? Which is super easy. Look up a recipe online, but basically to make a liqueur, you just take a neutral spirit like a vodka. You can also use gin. You can use really any spirit you want. Crush them up, let them soak in that spirit for anywhere between three days to three weeks. There are cool things you can purchase online. If people do, if people make homebrew, they probably have them, that can, you can test the ABV of a thing. It's super easy and like, that's a good way to know when the, the alcohol by volume has dropped a little bit because the fruit juices have gotten involved and like the proportions are different. And then you can sweeten it if you want, or you can make it super dry and leave all the sugar out. But then you have this great liqueur, once you strain
25:30 Holly Frey? off the berries that you can put into margaritas, a Collins', like whatever you want.
25:37 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
25:38 Holly Frey? Delicious.
25:40 Tracy V. Wilson? Patrick also likes to make shrubs.
25:42 Holly Frey? Yeah.
25:43 Tracy V. Wilson? If listeners don't know, shrubs are a thing that you can put into a cocktail or another drink, or you can just sip it or have it in sparkling water, made with some kind of fruit and sugar and vinegar. And he's made a ton of different shrubs. And he tried to make a cranberry shrub one time. And he had never really worked with cranberries for that purpose before. And it like, it didn't work out. And I think a different series of steps probably would have made something delicious.
26:12 Holly Frey? Yeah. Yeah. Those are always, you know, listen, experimenting is my favorite, but I always know that when I'm making an experiment, I have to be ready for it to not go the way I want. But that's always a learning experience. This is why it's good to notate. I'm bad about taking notes as I go, but that makes a big difference.
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29:20 Holly Frey? The title page thing was a hoot for me in that one book about
29:24 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
29:24 Holly Frey? reading cranberries because as I have mentioned before, I used to work as a cataloging assistant in a library for like a decade plus. And you know, our joke was always you can't judge a book by its cover, but you can judge it by its title page.
29:39 Holly Frey? But the thing was like normally I have seen a lot of books that have what you might call two title pages.
29:46 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
29:47 Holly Frey? But one is usually like an illustrated kind of splashy graphic one that doesn't have much information. And then the other one is the true title page with like the publisher, the date of publication, et cetera.
29:57 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
29:58 Holly Frey? That book has the splashy graphic page, but it still has all of that other information on it.
30:04 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh.
30:04 Holly Frey? Which is why it's been so confusing for catalogers, I think, over the years. It's just a weird thing. I said we would talk briefly about cranberries use for UTIs.
30:15 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
30:16 Holly Frey? At least, I don't know if I said it during recording. I know I said it to you.
30:18 Tracy V. Wilson? I think you said it just to me.
30:20 Holly Frey? Because the thing is, right? Like, that's a very common thing. We have all been told since youth that if you have a urinary tract infection, drink cranberry juice. That's actually not a great treatment, but it is a great preventative, apparently.
30:38 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
30:38 Holly Frey? Like, there was a lot of research done, I feel like in the late 90s and early 20s, 2000s? I don't know what to call them, that suggested that like because of what,
30:51 Holly Frey? because of the acidity of it, like the bacteria that causes those problems cannot lodge onto the wall of your urinary tract.
30:59 Tracy V. Wilson? Right.
31:00 Holly Frey? And cause that, but you can't like wash it off with cranberry juice.
31:04 Tracy V. Wilson? Right, after the fact, yeah.
31:05 Holly Frey? It will help support your recovery in terms of not allowing it to get worse, potentially, but just know.
31:13 Tracy V. Wilson? And also helping you to stay hydrated and drink a lot of fluids.
31:17 Holly Frey? Also helps, but just like, I feel like it gets a little confused where people think like that's the treatment and you should be doing another treatment perhaps.
31:25 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
31:25 Holly Frey? And that can be a supportive aspect if you already have it, but.
31:29 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah. There are also supplements made from cranberries.
31:34 Holly Frey? Yeah.
31:35 Tracy V. Wilson? And I don't know how much research is, there is into like whether that active ingredient is helpful in the same regard. But I personally have taken it. Taken those supplements. When I have felt like I am going to be at more risk of a urinary tract infection, like if I'm going to be traveling a long time and I'm not necessarily going to be able to stay hydrated or have access to bathrooms or whatever, like those are.
32:02 Holly Frey? When you're on a bus in Morocco and you're scared to drink water because you don't know when you will hit a bathroom.
32:09 Tracy V. Wilson? What's funny is I didn't do this in Morocco at all.
32:12 Holly Frey? I did. I like was SpongeBob above water. I didn't drink a thing on those bus trips.
32:18 Tracy V. Wilson? Oh, yeah, I didn't. I didn't drink on the bus trips, but I also was not taking cranberry supplements on the bus. But like when you and I have gone on tour in the past and like our, our schedules have been really irregular and a lot of time in airports and on airplanes and in transit, like sometimes I have done that with the hope of helping prevent.
32:38 Holly Frey? Yeah.
32:38 Tracy V. Wilson? A UTI. If I get a UTI, I call the doctor.
32:42 Holly Frey? Yeah. Yeah. I also wanted to finish this by issuing a personal plea to Disney.
32:50 Tracy V. Wilson? Okay.
32:51 Holly Frey? Disney, hear my plea. Listen, this is a thing that I do at home, but it's not feasible for everybody to do. Because I have, because I'm a ridiculous person, an industrial soft serve machine.
33:04 Tracy V. Wilson? You do have that.
33:06 Holly Frey? I can make my own Dole Whip here at home. But not everybody can, but let me tell you, the best move you can make post holiday is to put your leftover cranberry sauce on top of pineapple Dole Whip.
33:19 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
33:20 Holly Frey? It is one of the best things I have ever eaten in my life. It was one of the smartest uses of leftover cranberry sauce I have ever come up with. And I really wish Disney would just offer this as a holiday snack item because.
33:32 Tracy V. Wilson? That'd be so fun.
33:33 Holly Frey? It's so good.
33:36 Holly Frey? It's so good. Like the tartness of cranberry with that slight tartness that pineapple can sometimes have somehow does not compound into hyper tartness. It becomes really delicious together.
33:49 Tracy V. Wilson? Lovely.
33:50 Holly Frey? And because it's like, you know, sweet and a little bit creamy and cold. It's like a whole other, it's so, it's so good. Disney, please do this because I don't always want to make a big batch of Dole Whip at home.
34:05 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
34:06 Holly Frey? Cause sometimes to do those machines, you gotta make a certain amount.
34:09 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
34:09 Holly Frey? And it's a pain in the, took us to clean that thing. And I don't always want to be like, Brian, do we have room in the freezer for a gallon and a half of soft serve that I'm not going to eat?
34:18 Tracy V. Wilson? Additional Dole Whip?
34:20 Holly Frey? One cup of Dole Whip today. Sometimes it's happened, but uh, I really, really, listen, Disney, as the, the purveyor of Dole Whip to many people, please put cranberry sauce on it. That's all, that's all I'm asking. That's all I'm asking. I don't need credit. I just need to be able to get it.
34:42 Holly Frey? My holiday plea for the year. I hope if this is your weekend coming up, maybe you have some Dole Whip. If you're somewhere you could get it. You could go to Hawaii, put some cranberry sauce on that, or you can go to Disney World. I feel like there's some other place in the U S that has started selling Dole Whip and I don't remember where it is, but other than, you know, my house.
35:03 Tracy V. Wilson? There's a nice cream shop near my house that over the summer had what they were at least saying was Dole Whip. It tasted like Dole Whip to me.
35:13 Holly Frey? Yeah. I mean, you can buy the mix for Dole Whip. You just have to have a machine to make it do. Like if you have your own like home soft serve machine, cause they do make smaller ones for home use, like consumer ones. Mine is ridiculous and huge because I'm a ding dong. I don't know why, as I've gotten older, my hobby has become service industry, but there you go. But they do make smaller ones and you can buy like the powdered mix that they use to make Dole Whip and it works great. So if you have a smaller one and you can do that, great. If you don't have a machine and don't want to get into that whole business, Disney should be meeting this need.
35:53 Holly Frey? The other great thing to do with leftover cranberry sauce, if you have it, and it works for either the jellied kind or the homemade kind, although they're gonna do different things.
36:05 Holly Frey? If you use that instead of simple syrup in an old fashioned, it's very delicious.
36:10 Tracy V. Wilson? That sounds really good.
36:11 Holly Frey? The face you just made made me so happy. Like, you can literally, if it's the jellied cranberry sauce and you don't particularly love it to eat, you might be surprised at how well it will blend. Like, you literally just get a scoop, a little bar spoon scoop of it, put it in your glass, muddle it with some Angostura bitters, and then put your bourbon of choice on top. Give it a stir.
36:30 Tracy V. Wilson? Sounds really good.
36:31 Holly Frey? So delicious. Same thing, you can do it with the homemade stuff, but it will have the little bits in it.
36:37 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
36:38 Holly Frey? But you can also use that stuff to make, like, custom sodas. You could just embrace the cranberry sauce in whatever form it comes to you. If you don't like one or the other and you somehow get it or have it, like, you know, you're visiting someone and that's what they have, there are ways you can use it that I bet might delight you.
36:58 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
36:58 Holly Frey? I'm all about, you know, kitchen and bar creativity. So let's, let's all embrace all the things. And don't dog anybody for what they want. The other thing I wanted to say about homemade versus canned cranberry sauce, not everybody has the means to cook, for whatever reason.
37:15 Tracy V. Wilson? Yeah.
37:15 Holly Frey? Whether they are physically unable to, whether they just don't have access to a kitchen that's, you know, a Thanksgiving meal is a lot to cook, even if you're just reheating it. Like, just don't dog people for their choices. That's my, please be kind. As we head into this weekend and we are in the midst of the holidays, I know it's easy for everybody to get tired and frustrated because everywhere is busy, there's nowhere to park, and you're tired and cold. But I hope we can all still muster the kindness to treat each other with respect and dignity and care, and that everybody is cool to you in return, because we should all be. Uh, we will be right back here tomorrow with a classic episode, and then on Monday, we will have something brand new.
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