#282 - World's #1 Exorcist: Aliens, Demons, Drugs & the True Origin of Satan | Bob Larson

Watch this episode uncensored & ad-free on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Dr. Bob Larson is widely regarded as the world’s top exorcist. His passion to set people free has led him to successfully publicly minister in person to more than two million people in over 100 countries. Bob has performed more than 50,000 exorcisms throughout his career. SPONSORS https://buy.ver.so/danny - Get 15% off your first order. https://bit.ly/viiadannyjones - Use code DANNY for 15% off. https://stopboxusa.com/danny - Use code DANNY to get BOGO StopBox Pro + 10% off. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS Bob's YouTube Channel: @boblarsonexorcism https://boblarson.org FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Demonic ceremonies 02:52 - The Rainbow Serpent voodoo rituals 09:15 - Bob anoints the demon in the studio 14:26 - How to know if you're possessed by a demon 29:34 - Tales of Jesus as an exorcist 36:05 - How to diagnose a demon possession 46:28 - The elixir of life 52:24 - The Pope's exorcist & Rituale Romanum 01:01:04 - Drugs & demons 01:09:10 - How psychedelics invite the devil in 01:17:49 - Drug rituals in ancient religions 01:30:07 - Demons are passed down through DNA 01:43:06 - That the bible says about aliens 01:55:45 - Demon-possessed politicians in America 02:03:01 - Why Bob won't debate Ammon 02:13:54 - Demons in academia Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:06Danny Jones?

  Liquid Death, you know, they're not really doing us any favors. It's expensive water, but it's cool. The kids love it. You know what I mean? Demon infused water.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  Are we rolling?

• 0:15Danny Jones?

  We're rolling.

• 0:15Speaker 01

  Well, you know, the devil takes it seriously, even if them is a marketing shtick. He doesn't care. If you give the devil an opening, he's going to try to get through that door. So you just don't give him any chances. He gets enough free shots the way it is. And as I have gone through 50,000 exorcisms over the last five decades, I've learned that demons attack from the most unexpected, unusual circumstances. It's not what you think.

• 0:48Danny Jones?

  How did you first come across a demon?

• 0:52Speaker 01

  Well, um, I was at university in pre-med. I planned to go into medicine, had several family members who were doctors. And that was supposed to be the track I was on.

• 1:07Speaker 01

  So I bought this around the world airline ticket back then on the now defunct Pan American. You could buy a ticket as long as you kept going in the same direction. You could stop at endless places. So I went off to see the world. When I landed in the Middle East and Africa, India and Asia, I was in for a shock. I saw things, of course, that I'd never seen before. And from a religious standpoint, I had just become a Christian. So I didn't know much about

• 1:40Danny Jones?

  How old?

• 1:40Speaker 01

  The faith. I was in my early twenties.

• 1:42Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  And, um, I saw demonic ceremonies, self mutilation and ritual ceremonies. People would pierce themselves with knives and skewers and beat themselves bloody. And, but whenever they would go through these rituals, they would always go through a ceremony to invite the spirits to enter into them.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  So this was part of the preparation. So they would go through these ceremonies and when the time came for the spirits to enter into them, they would go into these catatonic seizures, scream, yell, thrush about, roll around the ground. And I said, what's going on? And they said, the spirits have entered into us to give us the power to go through these rituals. Wow, that sounds like demons. And so I thought, hmm, does that happen in America? So I came back to America and a few years later discovered that indeed it does happen.

• 2:50Danny Jones?

  How much of that do you think is psychological though? You know, there's a tribe in Haiti who practices a ritual similar to that, but it's a drug ritual. They get high on like toad venom and then they bury themselves in this like zombie ritual.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:08Danny Jones?

  But the problem is like, how much of that is drug induced and how much of that is psychological belief?

• 3:13Speaker 01

  You're talking about the rainbow serpent.

• 3:15Danny Jones?

  The rainbow serpent, exactly. Yeah, maybe you can, I probably butchered that.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Well, I've been to Haiti.

• 3:19Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  And I've been to the voodoo ceremonies and I've interacted with the priests. That's part of the research I've done all over the world.

• 3:26Danny Jones?

  For people that aren't aware of the rainbow serpents, the rainbow serpent ritual, can you explain what that is?

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Well, it's, it's, it's, there are numerous rituals in Haiti where they call up the spirits, but generally they make what's called a veve, which means they take some sacred powder that they've, you know, done their thing over and then they make this drawing on the ground. And the nature of the drawing has to do with the kind of spirit that they're going to call forth for possession. And very fascinating to watch. They make the drawing, just like that, the spirit comes and takes over the people who are there who are part of the ritual.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Now, they've also learned that the voodoo priests can have more.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  More of a sense of awesome power if they can make zombies out of people. So they've learned these psychotropic ways, like with the toad and so on, to put people into a temporary coma, bury them, and then they go out in the dead of the night and dig them up. And then people say, "Oh, my God, I just saw this person alive, and then they were dead, and I saw them buried, and there they are."

• 4:54Speaker 01

  However, I have talked to other voodoo priests who disavow anything disingenuous about what they're doing, that they believe it really is the power of Satan and the voodoo spirits that are bringing about this miraculous event. I don't know, could the devil do it? He absolutely could do that. But sometimes the devil needs a little bit of a helping hand. So who's to say? I think it happens both. I think it's both a psychological and a psychotropic phenomenon as well as a spiritual phenomenon.

• 5:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think, I think so. And even, so for people that aren't aware of you, you're a proper exorcist.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 5:42Danny Jones?

  And you've done how many exorcisms?

• 5:45Speaker 01

  Well, I need to update the stats, but it's been over 50,000 and counting, and those are documented cases. Those are cases on which we have files, and I've been doing this for five-plus decades.

• 5:59Danny Jones?

  Now, is there like a protocol when you're doing this, where you have to like file this with the, with the church?

• 6:04Speaker 01

  No, no, no, you don't have to file it with anybody. But I do it for my own benefit, for research purposes. Also, sometimes people come back for a second or third or fourth exorcism.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  All right. You don't always get all the demons all at once. So then you have to go back and look at your notes and say, well, I dealt with this, but hmm, now there's something else here. There's another layer of evil. Different levels, different devils.

• 6:32Danny Jones?

  Different levels, different devils. Okay, so you were, uh, we were just talking about how you were in your twenties, you went to Africa and you witnessed these tribes, uh, partaking in these rituals. Um, and how did that lead to you becoming an exorcist?

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Well, of course, what I saw was unfettered by the constraints of the cultural eyes of a Westerner. The real thing.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  In, in the Western world, uh, we've been overtaken with scientism, with, uh, philosophy and logic and all the sorts of things that say there is no supernatural world. There is no, nothing out there that's metaphysical. It's all imagination. And, and even though I was a Christian and I believed the Bible, that there's a lot of supernatural things in the Bible. But I'd never seen it with my own eyes. That was the difference. So it kind of shattered my westernized illusions.

• 7:33Danny Jones?

  What do you mean, never seen it with your own eyes? Like the

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Well, I never, I never, I never seen the supernatural of Satan.

• 7:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  It's there in the Bible, many instances, but I'd never actually seen it.

• 7:44Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  Until I got back to America. Because my eyes now were attenuated, if you will, to the possibility of evil. In a real very distinctive way that projected itself from the unseen world into the seen world.

• 8:05Danny Jones?

  Um, when did you first read the Bible?

• 8:08Speaker 01

  When did I first read the Bible?

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Uh, I was raised in a Christian home, but I never read the Bible. I wasn't a Christian. My goal was to be a rock and roll musician and

• 8:19Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 8:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I taught myself to play about a half dozen instruments. I was a guitar player, had my own band.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Uh, recorded songs, traveled, played in bars when I was 13.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  And that's kind of what I wanted to be until the family said, no, you need to be a doctor. Because you have several uncles who are doctors, you need to follow along in that tradition. So that was my plan. Then I radically became a Christian and

• 8:51Danny Jones?

  Radically?

• 8:52Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, pretty much so, because I'm like, wait a minute.

• 8:58Speaker 01

  I've heard this all my life. I just never embraced it. I'm going to embrace it now. And so over a period of time, I decided there must be a different path I needed to take. And this journey around the world, seeing the supernatural was part of that path. I didn't know you're going to have a two-headed demon staring at me the whole time I'm here.

• 9:20Danny Jones?

  Surprise.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Get this little idol over here. Look at that.

• 9:26Danny Jones?

  That two-headed demon with his

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Where did that come from?

• 9:28Danny Jones?

  With his short phallus is from the Amazon rainforest. I had a gentleman in here named Mike Corey, who he travels all over the world and visits uncontacted tribes. And this was a specific tribe in the Amazon who cuts off heads and shrinks them. They make these, they're famous for the little shrunken heads that you see.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  This is holy and nording oil.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  I'm not going to sit here with that thing looking at me.

• 9:54Danny Jones?

  Are you going to christen it?

• 9:55Speaker 01

  I'm going to anoint it. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, both of them. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. So just in case it's imbued with any kind of essence.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  I bind it by the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ, based upon what this man has said, its origin and what it represents. And I resist it by the blood of Jesus Christ.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  I take no chances. When you're an exorcist, you don't take chances.

• 10:32Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Actually, I've taken some I shouldn't have taken, but I've learned better.

• 10:36Danny Jones?

  Sometimes, sometimes when you're, uh, when you're an exorcist, you gotta, you gotta take chances to save souls.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:43Danny Jones?

  You know?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:44Danny Jones?

  Sometimes it's about, more about the, the souls than it is about yourself, right?

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Amen, brother.

• 10:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that came from, um, I think they used to burn that. So this comes off the top.

• 10:55Danny Jones?

  And they're supposed, they put like bodily fluids and herbs in there and like drugs in there and they would burn it. And then that would be a part of their ritual.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Well, if this was actually used for that.

• 11:04Danny Jones?

  I don't think this one was used. This is just a

• 11:06Speaker 01

  An Eterus.

• 11:07Danny Jones?

  Souvenir. Exactly, exactly.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  But even so, it's representational. It's an idol.

• 11:14Danny Jones?

  It's an idol, yeah.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  It's a representation of a belief system of the demonic supernatural.

• 11:21Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  Okay? So it doesn't have any power in itself.

• 11:26Danny Jones?

  No.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  As Paul taught us in his letter to the Corinthians. An idol is just an idol.

• 11:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  But it represents demons. And Paul said, "When you worship idols, you are worshiping demons."

• 11:40Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 11:41Speaker 01

  So that has been an object of demon worship. Even if it's representational, trace it back to the origin. That's what you've got.

• 11:53Danny Jones?

  Hmm. Yeah, but what if he's just like hanging out? I'm not worshiping him. Like he's just hanging out, like observing. It was a gift from a friend. That doesn't mean, that doesn't mean it's evil, right?

• 12:02Speaker 01

  You could be affected by it.

• 12:04Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Of course you can.

• 12:06Danny Jones?

  How?

• 12:08Speaker 01

  Well. Are you a born again Christian saved by the blood of Jesus?

• 12:14Danny Jones?

  I don't think so.

• 12:15Speaker 01

  Okay, then you can be affected.

• 12:17Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  So you

• 12:19Danny Jones?

  But how?

• 12:19Speaker 01

  You, you need to become a Christian. You need to get saved. You need to renounce the devil. Then you won't have to worry about that thing. In fact, what you'll do is you'll take it out and smash it.

• 12:28Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 12:29Speaker 01

  Yes. But you're not ready for that yet.

• 12:32Danny Jones?

  I might be. I don't know. We'll find out.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  This interview isn't over yet.

• 12:36Danny Jones?

  That's true.

• 12:40Danny Jones?

  So, um, what type of people do you do exorcisms on? Are they, are they all of a particular faith? Are they all Christians?

• 12:53Speaker 01

  They're all over the place.

• 12:55Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  First of all, there's no stratification from a socioeconomic standpoint of who gets demons and who doesn't get demons. It strikes all socioeconomic areas. I have Harvard graduates, doctors, lawyers, especially lawyers.

• 13:16Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:17Speaker 01

  We know what Shakespeare said. Kill the lawyers in case you don't know the quote.

• 13:23Danny Jones?

  Is that what he said?

• 13:24Speaker 01

  It's a joke. It's a Shakespearean joke.

• 13:27Danny Jones?

  I don't know how much of a joke it was.

• 13:30Speaker 01

  All right. And I, I deal with people in Hollywood.

• 13:34Danny Jones?

  Ooh, a lot of demons in Hollywood.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Oh, yes. Um, I deal with pastors, priests, nuns.

• 13:40Danny Jones?

  Lots of demons in the church.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  I have made the comment, I'll go to my grave, never saying the names of well-known people that I've cast demons out of, who've come to me in private.

• 13:55Danny Jones?

  Respect their privacy, that makes sense.

• 13:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. My point is, anybody can have a demon. And we're talking about all aspects of education and life, from blue collar to no collar to clerical collar. Demons are no respecter of, of who a person is or what they do. Demons simply want to possess the soul of a human being and destroy them.

• 14:21Danny Jones?

  Okay. How, when somebody comes to you, what do they say? Like, what's, when they reach out to you, hey, Bob, saw you on YouTube or Dr. Phil or whatever, I heard you're a great, you know, the top, world's top exorcist. I, how do they, what do they respond with? Do they, do they think they have a demon? Or do they think that they are having some sort of crisis in their life? Is it a psychological issue?

• 14:50Speaker 01

  All the above, all the above. But most of them have a kind of haunting feeling.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Something isn't quite right that, for example.

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• 16:19Speaker 01

  The individual says, "I've got these six strange diseases. I've been to every doctor." Had a lady the other day, "I've been to 15 doctors. Nobody can solve this problem. Why am I like this? Could it be a demon?" Now, there's good and bad about the age in which we live, because this is the age of occult supernaturalism and witchcraft and Satanism, and all of these things are on the rise.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  So people are thinking more in terms outside of the box spiritually. That's bad, because some people go down that road. But for the people who don't, they're thinking, "Well, maybe there is a real world of the supernatural out there. Maybe my problem is that." And there may be other people who come to me with legitimate mental health issues. And so we always ask the question, "Are you under the treatment of a psychiatrist, a therapist? What kind of medications are you on? Has there been a clinical diagnosis for your condition or the things that are happening in your head?" But then there are the people who can tell you exactly when the demon entered.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  And these are people who have been the new age, the occult, various types of demonic supernaturalism. And they know when that spirit entered. They feel it, they sense it.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  You know, many different types of psychological ways and physical ways. Whatever the case, they come to me either knowing they have a demon, because many of them have actually invited demons into them. They've, they've gone that far. All right. In, in a kind of stupid moment of

• 18:02Speaker 01

  maybe they weren't drugs. Maybe they were high. Um, maybe they were drunk. Maybe they just were so bitter and angry at God. And that's a big category, people who are mad at God. And so they go to his enemy and then they find out, whoops, I shouldn't have done that. So all those people, it's, it's a mixture, but when people come to see me in person or virtually, most virtually, they fill out an intake form. I look down through that intake form, very specific questions. And I can reasonably

• 18:39Danny Jones?

  What kind of questions?

• 18:41Speaker 01

  Questions like,

• 18:44Speaker 01

  what was your family life like? Uh, list your instances of abuse and trauma.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Have you ever thought of or attempted suicide? What kind of drugs have you taken?

• 19:01Speaker 01

  What type of alternative religious belief systems have you been involved in?

• 19:06Danny Jones?

  Alter- what is, what do you mean by alternative?

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Well, non-Christian essentially.

• 19:11Danny Jones?

  Is that a, is that a red flag for demon possession if they're not Christians?

• 19:15Speaker 01

  Can be. Not necessarily. There are many people of different faiths who have a good conscience.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  About moral values and the sense of a higher being. That's not necessarily going to keep you from a demon, but it's it's better than the person who is reading the book of Satan and checking out some local ritual group where they can drink blood with a nude on the altar now. Okay, that's very diametrically opposite. So it's all over the place, but these people have a sense, something's not right and there's something evil. So they'll say things like, stuff is crawling all over my body inside. And a very common one now, I first encountered this decades ago, but it's becoming extremely common, a spiritual.

• 20:08Danny Jones?

  Spiritual rape?

• 20:11Speaker 01

  Yes. So, I mean, I've talked to people, especially women, they're more victimized by incubus spirits as opposed to succubus spirits, who vividly describe being spiritually at night. And they they often approach me by saying, I want to tell you something I've never told anybody before, because they're afraid people think they're some nymphomaniac or they're they're crazy. No, who's gonna who's gonna believe that? I believe it. In fact, one of the books I wrote, Jezebel, I included, wrote the book almost 10 years ago, included a chapter on incubus, which is the first time anybody

• 20:51Speaker 01

  in the religious community had come forward in printed form to talk about this. So this is, somebody says, this is happening to me. And I look at them like, hmm, you sure you're not just a little over have some over eroticized fantasies? No, no, it happens. I wake up, it's happening. And I say, is it tactile? Do you feel it? Yeah, yeah, I have an orgasm.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  So when somebody tells you that-

• 21:26Danny Jones?

  So they liked it?

• 21:28Speaker 01

  No, they don't like it. But it's enforced upon them. Almost always starts out-

• 21:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but how would they have an orgasm-

• 21:35Speaker 01

  It almost starts out in a kind of sleep paralysis state.

• 21:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  They're immobilized. Now, not all sleep paralysis is demonic. There is a psychological phenomenon of sleep paralysis, but there's also a demonic phenomenon of sleep paralysis, so it starts out that way. They're asleep, they start waking up, they're immobilized, they can't move. And they will say things like, "Something is on top of me." "It was, I could feel its pressure." Sometimes they conceive the thing. Sometimes it's visual. And, um, then they, without getting too indelicate, afterwards have all the symptoms of having been-

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Now, this is not one person, and this is not mentally disturbed people. I'm talking about people who live otherwise perfectly normal lives. But a door has been opened to the devil. At some point, it could be generational incest. It could be ancestors who practiced things like this. Going back to Egypt.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Going back to ancient Canaanite civilizations.

• 22:49Danny Jones?

  Like epigenetic trauma from, from thousands or hundreds of thousands of years ago?

• 22:54Speaker 01

  Well, now you're going down the road of epigenetics and the idea of inherited psychological trauma.

• 23:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 01

  And sometimes it is that. So a properly trained exorcist, and there aren't that many frankly, um, will try to figure out the difference with God's help as to whether or not this is a re-experience of something that an ancestor has gone through, or whether they are experiencing it in real time now.

• 23:28Danny Jones?

  Right, but couldn't it also be the same thing? If they are experiencing it in real time, if they're experiencing something that came through the past?

• 23:35Speaker 01

  Well, then you have to deal with things like the physicality of it.

• 23:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  I mean, they are very sometimes quite direct in explaining in private what has happened.

• 23:49Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm. Well, you're saying if they have the symptoms of it, then it has to be physical, right? So even if this is something that is happening allegedly in their minds, but there's physical manifestations, is it real? I think, I think so.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  That's when you do the exorcism.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  That's when you say, if there's a demon behind this, if this is more than in this person's mind,

• 24:18Speaker 01

  but the power of Jesus Christ, God from eternity past, having defeated the devil at the cross, I command that spirit to come forward. If there is a spirit of incubus or some such thing, I command you by the blood of Christ to come forward and face me.

• 24:41Danny Jones?

  And the demon will respond?

• 24:44Speaker 01

  If he's there.

• 24:44Danny Jones?

  If he's there.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Maybe not immediately.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Sometimes just like that, sometimes it takes a little while. Depends on the nature of the situation, every situation is different. If nothing responds, it could mean that this person is having a psychological problem and then you have to ask some delicate questions.

• 25:08Danny Jones?

  Or the demon's elusive.

• 25:09Speaker 01

  About their sexual life or history and so on, and what has happened to them. And then sometimes these things are projections of past abuse like, which hasn't been resolved or dealt with.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  But in far too many cases, this is just one of the many things that will happen. But then you have to go down the trail. Did this just happen because of this person's life? Or is this an ancestral evil being visited on successive generations?

• 25:48Danny Jones?

  With a demon, how much information will the demon give you? Best case scenario, would they tell you how old they are, where they're from?

• 25:54Speaker 01

  That's not, that's not the issue.

• 25:56Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  The issue is, within reason, how much information do I need to know to help this person? No more and no less. This is the only infallible rule of faith, as the story creed states. You go by the Bible. So when you get into an extra biblical context, you're, you know, you're sort of flying by the seat of your spiritual pants, so to speak.

• 26:28Danny Jones?

  What do you mean by that?

• 26:29Speaker 01

  I mean that it may not line up exactly with what Scripture says. So then you have to make a determination of whether or not there's deception going on. Or there's just something about which the Scripture doesn't go into specifically. Case in point, what we just talked about. Now, the Bible does tell us about things that happened an olden times, going back to Genesis, chapter six, where there was demonic cohabitation with women and sex between spirit beings and human beings. But now that gets another whole issue, another whole track.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  That's another whole show about the Nephilim and other creatures and giants and all that sort of thing, which is a hot topic today. And as to whether the procreative abilities of demons ended, which I believe they did. But then are they still trying to do what they can't do? That's the question. As you can see, exorcism is much more complicated than Hollywood have you, would have you to think.

• 27:38Danny Jones?

  How do you define a demon? What actually is a demon?

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Well, again, there are various theories about what a demon is.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  But the historic position of Christianity from the early church onward has always been consistent. Fallen angels, those who rebelled with Lucifer against God and were cast from the heavens to earth. And then Jesus in John 10 10 defined the mission as Satan comes to kill, steal, destroy. Doesn't get any more basic than that. So these are discarded beings who roam the earth

• 28:22Speaker 01

  looking for ways

• 28:25Speaker 01

  to bring about the purposes of evil.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  A simple illustration I've given many times is that

• 28:33Speaker 01

  the devil's disembodied. All spirits are disembodied.

• 28:37Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Okay. So the devil is a time, space, place, being.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  So he gives the appearance of omniscience by sending forth his demons, highly regimented and under command in his name to go out and do these things.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  So they have specific assignments to attack so and so, to attack so and so, to do this, to do that on various strata. Which could be political, which could be cultural, which could be highly personal.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  And then they seek to bring about their plans and they're looking for victims. And the question is, does someone want to be a victim? Or are they an unwitting victim?

• 29:31Speaker 01

  That's also part of the exorcism process.

• 29:34Danny Jones?

  How far back into history do exorcisms go? Like, when was the first exorcism, do you know?

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Well, first of all, you have to understand that every religion. Has some type of ritual or belief system about expelling evil.

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• 31:50Speaker 01

  This was not new to Christianity. It was certainly not new to Judaism. And it's there with every single religion. And you know, you can just pick the most basic ones of Hinduism, Buddhism and Islam, and they have rituals for expelling demons and they believe in a cosmology of demons.

• 32:09Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Okay, so that's, that's not unique to Christianity. It was not unique to the Jewish faith. What amazed the people in Bible times is how Jesus cast out demons. Cause they had all these complex rituals that they went through. So it was about what you did.

• 32:31Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  To get the demon out. Jesus came along and said, "In my name, by my authority, who I am, you will cast out demons." And that's why the, the Pharisees were dumbfounded. They said, "Who is this man? He must be in league with Beelzebub. That's the only way he could get out demons."

• 32:51Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  So they, they were trying to wrap their heads around this and they couldn't do it. I mean, this man just speaks and demons leave. He tells them to go and they go. We can't do that. Wow, this threatens our whole political institution and our religious institution.

• 33:10Danny Jones?

  So in antiquity.

• 33:14Speaker 01

  We're talking millennia.

• 33:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 33:16Speaker 01

  Four, five, six thousand years before Christ, this was going on.

• 33:20Danny Jones?

  Okay, but when Christ was performing exorcisms, he was doing it to people that were involved in religion? Involved, there was medicine involved?

• 33:33Speaker 01

  No, there's no medicine involved. He wasn't always involved with people that had religion. Some of the people Jesus had exorcisms on, there's no indication that they were necessarily people of faith. There was, for example, the, the daughter of Abraham that the scripture speaks of, which means a godly Jewish woman, who'd had a demon that entered her 18 years prior to the time Christ met her. Now she was godly. There was the man in the synagogue, Mark 1. Well, he was a godly man too, because he was in the synagogue. So there were those kinds of people. But Jesus did countless exorcisms we know nothing about, let alone the ones that are recorded in Scripture. It just says Jesus went about doing good and healing all who were tormented by the devil.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  But we don't know who these people were. We don't know what religious system they came from. We don't know what culture they came from. But he cast out their demons.

• 34:29Danny Jones?

  And what, where, where is this? This is all in the Bible?

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and the purpose was to demonstrate that he was God. But also to relieve human suffering.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  So he came along, upended this system of belief about exorcism. You know, I'm fascinated by museums, like been to the La Hermitage in St. Petersburg, Russia. Especially like the British Museum in England. And when you go through these, the places I look out, look at are, are all the areas of antiquity and, and you can see in them, like the British Museum, La Hermitage has it too, so do other museums, sections where they will show you all the various ways that the ancients made curses and tried to destroy curses.

• 35:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  And all the objects and amulets and charms and things they did to ward off evil spirits. Evil spirits.

• 35:36Danny Jones?

  So in antiquity, science and technology was nowhere near as vol- as evolved as it is today. So when people were psychotic, having epileptic seizures, any of these things that we understand and have studied today, wouldn't it make sense that they would have just attributed this to spirituality or some sort of ethereal beings, demons, angels, whatever it is?

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Partially. Undoubtedly, there was a lot of misdiagnosis. There always has been a lot of misdiagnosis and still is today among people who really don't know what they're doing and they try to go out and rid people of demons and they'll have no understanding of mental health issues, don't even try to understand just the basics of it, you know?

• 36:23Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Or, one of the common questions I ask people is, "Have you seen a therapist?" Have you, you know, they say, "I have this, this, this." I say, "Oh, is that a clinical diagnosis or a self-diagnosis?" So when somebody says to me it's a self-diagnosis, I'm highly suspicious.

• 36:41Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  And, you know, sometimes I make people angry because I won't cast out their demons.

• 36:47Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 36:48Speaker 01

  In other words, I will not solve a problem they don't have, but they think they have. They want it to be a demon. Because if somebody can come along, and there are plenty of preachers out there and you two doing this, "Out in the name of Jesus and you're okay now and you go your way," it doesn't work like that. And so, they want that to happen that way. And understand that. You know, if, if, if you're psychotic and delusional, you don't want to admit that you live in unreality. You, you don't want to acknowledge that fact because that, that means that somebody else is gonna get in control of your life. Somebody else is gonna administer drugs to you, you might have to be institutionalized.

• 37:30Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  And, they don't want to go through that so they can build an alternative religious fantasy of demonization. That's very possible. I see it all the time.

• 37:43Danny Jones?

  And if someone comes to you and they believe wholeheartedly there's a demon inside of them, they're possessed, and they just come to you, they're like, "Bob,

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Well.

• 37:52Danny Jones?

  diagnose me. Do I have a demon? Can you get rid of it?" How do you know that they, that they don't have a demon?

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Well, I got a checklist in my brain. Alright? So, I ask the basic questions. You have all these symptoms. Have you seen a medical doctor?

• 38:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but you don't have to see a medical doctor to know you have a demon.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  No, but have you, have you, have you had a physical lately? The, the brain does strange things, uh, when

• 38:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  people have hormone imbalances.

• 38:21Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Or they have, uh, infections. People can become delusional from infections. So, have you been sick?

• 38:29Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Have you been to a doctor? You know, and then I get this typical anti-alepathic attitude that says, "Oh, they're just in it for the money. I don't want, I don't see it." Go see a doctor. Just, just for my benefit, get checked out.

• 38:42Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm. So if the doctor says everything's kosher?

• 38:44Speaker 01

  Okay, well, now, we may be at a mental health level.

• 38:48Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  So, uh, have you seen a therapist? Have you seen a psychologist? Have you worked through some of your issues? So, you were molested at the age of six and raped at the age of 15.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  And the common answer I get is, "I've never told anyone but you."

• 39:10Speaker 01

  Because people are afraid to talk about these things. Uh, they're terrified of their trauma.

• 39:15Danny Jones?

  Couldn't a demon enter them through the molestation process?

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Absolutely, and I would say, in the majority of cases, that is a demonic opening, even if it's not the person's fault. But, more to the point. So, if a person is just, for the very first time, getting that off their chest, so to speak, then I try to determine, okay, it doesn't mean they don't have a demon, but it may mean that they've not therapeutically worked through this properly. They've not really had a process. Now, in the Christian community, we call this inner healing. In the deliverance community, that does understand some need to free people from the devil. They call it just the basic healing of the soul. And it just means being a good friend, uh, a kind,

• 40:02Speaker 01

  loving Christian, to listen to people's stories and, and try to help them through their trauma. Okay. But the majority of the people who come to me have not done that. They've not done anything. This thing has been buried like a time bomb inside them.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  So my job, with God's help, is to diffuse that and determine, well, is this just a mental issue? Or, or is there a demon? And if there's a demon, within a matter of minutes, I'm gonna know.

• 40:32Danny Jones?

  How often is it the case that you know it's a demon, but the person doesn't believe it's a demon and is not religious at all, doesn't believe in God, doesn't believe in the devil, none of this stuff?

• 40:43Speaker 01

  Well, the question is, why would they even come to me in the first place?

• 40:47Danny Jones?

  That's a great point.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  They wouldn't.

• 40:49Danny Jones?

  They wouldn't come to you unless they actually believed that there was a demon and they believed in it.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  In most cases. In most cases.

• 40:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Now, sometimes a person is sent to me by somebody, a husband, a wife, a parent, and oftentimes in those cases, I end up upsetting them because I say, "Look, you're trying to get me to solve a problem that's not there. This is not a demon." And that happens with a lot of the problems today, like in the area of autism, of the whole, the spectrum of Asperger's, et cetera, and so on, and people jump to a conclusion, "It's the devil."

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Now, it can be the devil, partially, but almost always, there's something systemic or psychologically wrong with the person to begin with, and maybe the demon's taking advantage of that, but the real problem isn't a demon. Look, I have enough on my plate of people coming to me with real demons, real demonic manifestations, all day long, every day.

• 41:57Danny Jones?

  Have you ever been possessed by a demon?

• 41:59Speaker 01

  No.

• 41:59Danny Jones?

  Has one ever tried?

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Pardon?

• 42:01Danny Jones?

  Has one ever tried to enter you?

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Not that I know of.

• 42:04Danny Jones?

  You would think so, you're battling all these demons. They would say, "We gotta get rid of this guy."

• 42:09Speaker 01

  Well...

• 42:12Danny Jones?

  Or Satan would just kinda like conjure up his horde of demons and be like, "Yo, we need to start a war against Bob."

• 42:20Speaker 01

  I'm a child of God. The Bible tells us in 1 John, "Greater is Christ who is in me than Satan who is in the world." Through Jesus Christ's presence, in my life, I'm more powerful than the devil. Not as a person, but through Christ. That's the first thing. The second thing is, what I've learned through the years...

• 42:44Speaker 01

  Is the safest place to be free from the devil is to be running at him in the name of Jesus, running than rather running away from him in fear.

• 42:58Danny Jones?

  How come Jesus called himself the morning star?

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Jesus didn't call himself the morning star. The devil was called that.

• 43:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but Jesus also called himself the morning star. I've had, I've had multiple Bible scholars on here that said that.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  That is referred to, yes, but not in the same sense that Satan was the star of the morning.

• 43:17Danny Jones?

  How is it different?

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Because Christ is God from eternity past and the devil was a created being. Now.

• 43:26Danny Jones?

  The devil was a created being?

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yes. Like he was number two in heaven, so to speak, in the realm of the heavenlies. And he had great power and he had great brilliance and great beauty. It was the originator of all music, the originator of a lot of human intelligence. But then he rebelled against God and got kicked out of heaven because he wanted not only to be like God, to be above God. "I will exalt my throne above that of God," he said.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  And the scripture says, "You will be brought low like a rotten carcass trampled underfoot."

• 44:05Danny Jones?

  God said that?

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Isaiah says that. That's not, that's not very bright and shiny, but the devil wants you to think he's bright and shiny.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  He wants to think that he can offer you all the things of this world, every pleasure, every hedonistic impulse fulfilled. And he tried this with Christ and failed. And he still does it today. But his biggest temptation is, as C.S. Lewis famously said, is to get you to think he doesn't exist. That he's not real. He's not a, he's not a presence that's looking to enter your life through any door that he can find.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  And if you don't believe that he can do that, you've taken the first step towards self-destruction.

• 44:52Danny Jones?

  There's a famous quote, I forget who the quote's by, but they said the devil was the best friend of the church because it kept him in business.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  That's Anton LaVey's quote.

• 44:58Danny Jones?

  Anton LaVey.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Well, that's ridiculous. The devil isn't a club. The Christianity is used to get people into a position of faith. It's just plain stupid. It's a stupid statement. It's not true. Now, in times past, there have been eras when the church was not as rigorous as it should have been in its faith system, in which there were particularly during the Middle Ages times like plenary indulgences and other things like that, where people were coerced by a belief in the devil into clinging to the church.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  That error has been made from time to time, but it's not been consistent with faith throughout the ages. No. Jesus is the best friend the church ever had. He died for her. He gave his life for her and for every individual who becomes part of that church.

• 45:58Danny Jones?

  Now, you've been on like a lot of big shows like Anderson Cooper and Dr. Phil.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Bill Maher.

• 46:03Danny Jones?

  Oh, you were on Bill Maher too?

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I used to be a regular on his whole show, Politically Incorrect.

• 46:11Danny Jones?

  So you have a lot of people that criticize you.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  I used to tell Bill Maher, you just bring me on as red meat Christian to throw before the wolves of the world. And he just laughed and he said, yeah, you're my token Christian.

• 46:24Danny Jones?

  You're my token Christian. What kind of, what kind of things do these skeptics or these critics of you like to say? What are your biggest critics say about you?

• 46:39Speaker 01

  You know, I don't pay much attention. I've outlived most of them.

• 46:45Danny Jones?

  How old are you?

• 46:46Speaker 01

  They're dead.

• 46:46Danny Jones?

  How old are you?

• 46:48Speaker 01

  What do you think? You don't know how old I am?

• 46:50Danny Jones?

  I would say...

• 46:53Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna drink Liquid Death to that.

• 46:55Danny Jones?

  Sixties? Mid-sixties.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  Thank you. You know what? Fighting the devil is the elixir of youth.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  I... I see every kind of doctor on a semi-annual basis just to make sure that everything's working perfectly.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  By God's grace, I'm in absolutely perfect health.

• 47:21Danny Jones?

  You look great, man. Sharp as a tack?

• 47:23Speaker 01

  At eighty.

• 47:24Danny Jones?

  Eighty? Stop it. You're not eighty.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  I'm eighty.

• 47:28Danny Jones?

  Wow. You look great, brother.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Thank you. Good living?

• 47:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Wonderful wife. Great children. Incredible friends who love God. And fighting the devil all day long.

• 47:44Danny Jones?

  Fighting that damn devil all day long.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Well, let's say he's the damned devil.

• 47:50Danny Jones?

  The damned devil.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  All day long.

• 47:52Danny Jones?

  So you won't drink Liquid Death?

• 47:54Speaker 01

  I will not drink Liquid Death and, and this is another thing that's kind of interesting.

• 47:59Danny Jones?

  You made, so before we started the show, I offered you Liquid Death and you refused it, so I went and got you a nice...

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Let me tell you something. Let me tell you a story about that, which will drive it home.

• 48:07Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  I had knee replacement surgery about, I think it was 12 years ago. And

• 48:15Speaker 01

  I came home from knee replacement surgery and walked in the house the day after and collapsed. And I thought, wow, okay, I'm just weak from surgery.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  So my wife helped me get in bed. And I am this, I was the sickest I've ever been in my life.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  I woke up in the middle of the night

• 48:41Speaker 01

  and I heard the voice of God. It's the only time in my life I've heard God's voice.

• 48:46Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  And the voice said, "You're dying of a heart attack. Call 911."

• 48:57Speaker 01

  And I yelled out to my wife in the other room. I said, I'm dying, call 911. Next thing you know, the paramedics over there checked me off. They said, no, he's fine, just let him get some rest. I looked at them, they said, I am dying, get me to the hospital. Took me to the hospital, wheeled me in, did the MRI, did the echo, did all these things. And this doctor, very serious, walked into the room and I'm laying there in the gurney. He said, you are dying. You're full of blood clots, we need to perform immediate surgery.

• 49:29Danny Jones?

  Full of blood clots?

• 49:31Speaker 01

  You have blood.

• 49:32Danny Jones?

  And that was from the knee replacement?

• 49:34Speaker 01

  From the knee replacement.

• 49:35Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  They hadn't properly thinned my blood. Okay, so he said, we're going to wheel you into surgery. My family, my three daughters were sitting outside. And he said, I'm going to bring them in. I can't guarantee you'll make it till the morning. I would encourage you to say goodbye to your family.

• 49:55Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  So I'm laying there and my wife and my three daughters. I'm like, I wouldn't be who I am today without my wife and my family. Because they have helped to make me who I am.

• 50:09Danny Jones?

  That's amazing.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  By God's grace. They're all crying. And I said, they said, what's going on? I said, the doctor says I'm dying. They have to do surgery immediately. And that I should say goodbye to you. And there's this long pause and my middle daughter looked at me and said, Dad, I don't understand something. If God woke you up and spoke to you to get you to the hospital for surgery, why would he let you die here? And I said, you're right, I'll see you in the morning.

• 50:55Speaker 01

  The surgery was successful?

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Just before that, I had climbed Mount Kilimanjaro, in excellent shape. It went from climbing Mount Kilimanjaro to my life being at risk, just within a space of six months. And...

• 51:14Danny Jones?

  Sometimes that can do it to you. The elevation changes, a lot of people die from that.

• 51:18Speaker 01

  So, um... My point is this. The doctor said to me, I'll never forget these words, and this is what I'm getting at, while I was laying there, he says, "I just want to ask you a question. Do you ever drink alcohol?" I said, "Never." He said, "Did you ever smoke?" "No." "Ever do any drugs?" "No."

• 51:43Speaker 01

  He said, "You have a chance to live." He said, "If you did any one of those things, your body would be so compromised, I'm not sure we could save you." Back to your question.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  One of the reasons I don't have any demons is because even when I wasn't a Christian, I did my best to live a clean life. Now, I'm not saying somebody who smokes or drinks whatever is going to hell. I'm just saying, you want to live long? Stay clean. By the way, if you want to know if I have demons, I have it.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  I have the proof right here.

• 52:22Danny Jones?

  What is that?

• 52:24Speaker 01

  This is... I thought I'd bring it just to show it to you.

• 52:28Danny Jones?

  Thank you.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  A

• 52:32Speaker 01

  sixteen, excuse me, 1733 edition of the Ritual Romanum. Hand calligraphy.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  The Ritual Romanum is the Roman Catholic Ritual of Exorcist, which was established, and we can talk about that, I mean, that's kind of interesting, why the Roman Catholic Church did this in 1614.

• 52:56Speaker 01

  So this is about 100 years later, this is the original in Latin with the proper songs and everything. And it's all hand-done,

• 53:08Speaker 01

  signed by Father Gabriel Amorth, who was still alive that time, they recently did a Russell Crowe movie about him.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  Who was known as the Pope's Exorcist.

• 53:25Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  They sent everybody from the Vatican, who was believed to be possessed, to him and he did exorcism all day long. So I went to the Vatican, spent a day with him. I brought this with me. It's signed, "Father Gabriel Amorth." One of the greatest men of God that's ever lived.

• 53:46Danny Jones?

  Can you Google him, Steve? You can pull him up?

• 53:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:48Danny Jones?

  Do you mind if I?

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. The page is kinda loose there.

• 53:51Danny Jones?

  I'll be very... How do you spell?

• 53:55Danny Jones?

  How do you spell his name?

• 53:56Speaker 01

  A.

• 53:56Danny Jones?

  For Steve? How do you spell his name? Father?

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Father Gabriel.

• 54:01Danny Jones?

  Gabriel.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Amorth. A.M.O.R.T.H.

• 54:03Danny Jones?

  There you go. A.M.O.R.T.H.

• 54:06Speaker 01

  He was the most famous Catholic exorcist.

• 54:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  But here's my point. This is why I'm telling you that story.

• 54:13Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow. This is...

• 54:14Speaker 01

  So during the time that I was with him.

• 54:17Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Uh, my wife and I were in his private exorcism chambers, where he does with a group of nuns, exorcism, which he did all day long, every day. That's the guy.

• 54:31Speaker 01

  Father Amorth. Great man of God. Wonderful, wonderful man. Um, I said to him, "Father Amorth,

• 54:40Speaker 01

  I would like you to pray over me to see if I have any demons."

• 54:46Speaker 01

  So he spent some time praying over me. And then he looked at my wife and me with a big grin on his face and he said,

• 54:57Speaker 01

  "No angel, no demons, only angels."

• 55:00Danny Jones?

  No demons, only angels.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  So my, my point is I have it from the highest authorities. I don't have any demons.

• 55:15Danny Jones?

  Il cribatur quis in quae cur sacramante?

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Look, I don't, I, I studied Latin, but I've long, I've long since forgotten Latin. I've never stayed up with it. And, uh, I, I don't know.

• 55:30Danny Jones?

  Latin was for those hut dwelling Romans, they say.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  But I, I have a complete English translation of the Ritual Romanum, and I've read it, and it's incredible. The language, now it's very classic language from 1614. And it was revised again in, what, 1999, I guess it was, in Vatican II.

• 55:55Speaker 01

  But when you read this, I want to tell you, these old monks knew what they're dealing with, and they were dealing with real demons. In fact, uh, that was the period in church history when there was a major shift in this whole exorcism thing with the Reformation. And not too many people know about that. Want to hear about it?

• 56:15Danny Jones?

  Of course.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Well,

• 56:19Speaker 01

  the Reformation, which started in 1517, when Martin Luther nailed his theses on the Wittenberg door, his grievances against the Catholic Church. Before then, there were what was called the Reformers. Throughout Europe, various theologians who were starting to depart from the Catholic Church. Because at that point, the Catholic Church was all you had, basically.

• 56:40Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  So they broke away in these splinter groups, the Anabaptists and so on. And, and Martin Luther congealed all of that with his theses, which formalized the beginning of the break for the Protestant Reformation. But what most people don't know is that much of the battle that was being fought was not about theology. Was not about plenary indulgences, was, was not about the papacy and the infallibility of the apopex cathedra. It was about exorcism. They were fighting about exorcism.

• 57:19Speaker 01

  Because if you could cast out demons, then that proved you had the truth. So there was this exorcism competition going on. The Catholics were casting out demons, the Protestants were Catholic, casting out demons. And they were saying, "Our method's best because we're Protestants. Our method's best because we're Catholics." And the Catholics, you know, were, that's, that's why they finally codify this. They said, "Wait a minute, this is getting crazy." Yeah. Everybody's got their own idea. We are going to commission these monks to do a deep study of this and come up with the theology of exorcism, which this book contains. And that's where the battle started.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  And then gradually, Martin Luther believed in exorcism. He instituted his part of baptism. He cast out demons. He believed in evil spirits inhabiting people. Hmm. Now, it's gotten away from that over time. Even the Catholics have gotten away from it over time. Hmm. But there's a resurgence now. My, my point is, I want you to understand, this business about exorcism is not an individual like me coming along as some kind of spiritual entrepreneur deciding, "Well, you know, nobody's casting out demons. I'll cast out demons and, and Dr. Phil will talk to me about it." Come on, that's disingenuous.

• 58:44Speaker 01

  What I'm doing is, what many today are trying to do is to get the church back to the reality of what humanity has known for 6,000 or so years. What the church, both factions knew during the Middle Ages, is the demons are real, the devil is real. We have a battle on our hands and we have to go fight it in the name of Jesus Christ.

• 59:10Danny Jones?

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• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  You are kidding.

• 1:01:23Speaker 01

  You are kidding.

• 1:01:23Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  You know my answer.

• 1:01:25Danny Jones?

  No, I don't.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  Yes, of course.

• 1:01:27Danny Jones?

  If I knew it, I wouldn't ask you.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  I understand. Of course, it's, it's one of the main factors that I deal with in getting rid of demons.

• 1:01:39Danny Jones?

  And I'm, and I'm. How do you distinguish between the, the? Drugs is a very broad term. There's, there's all kinds of drugs. There's drugs that can help lower your cholesterol. There's drugs that can help you enter another dimension. How do you distinguish which drugs are related to the devil?

• 1:01:54Speaker 01

  Let's just talk about street drugs. Or weed, which used to be a street drug.

• 1:01:59Danny Jones?

  Okay, but weed is a plant.

• 1:02:02Danny Jones?

  It's grown out of the ground.

• 1:02:03Speaker 01

  I cast more demons out of people from smoking weed than anything else.

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  You wanna know why?

• 1:02:11Danny Jones?

  What makes weeds so demonic?

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Google.

• 1:02:16Speaker 01

  Shiva. And marijuana.

• 1:02:19Danny Jones?

  Okay, let's look it up, Steve. Shiva and marijuana.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. So there's three main gods in Hinduism.

• 1:02:31Danny Jones?

  Correct.

• 1:02:31Speaker 01

  Alright. Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva.

• 1:02:33Danny Jones?

  Lord Shiva is associated with marijuana. Is associated with marijuana because he consumed Bang to alleviate the pain after drinking the poison Hala Hala during the churning of the ocean. He was using it to alleviate seasickness.

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  But there is a multi-millennial tradition in the east and particularly in India.

• 1:03:00Danny Jones?

  Okay, here it says in Hindu festivals such as the Shiva Ratri, devotees consume marijuana as a form of praising to Shiva.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:11Danny Jones?

  Or as a form of praised to Shiva, symbolizing their love and devotion. So where is the evil stuff here?

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  Shiva.

• 1:03:21Danny Jones?

  Shiva's evil?

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  Is the lord of death and destruction.

• 1:03:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  That's what he's known as.

• 1:03:26Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  Now, of course, philosophical Hinduism has ways to try to

• 1:03:32Danny Jones?

  So it's like the Hindu devil?

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  To get around that, but he is the lord of death and destruction.

• 1:03:37Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:03:38Danny Jones?

  So Shiva, Steve, can you find out like Shiva's, what is the, what is the Google call Shiva? I'm assuming it's the Hindu devil.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Well, no, Shiva's a Hindu god, but you will see pictures if you look far enough of Shiva smoking ganja. Or marijuana, or cannabis.

• 1:03:56Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  He's the god of destruction. See it?

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  Known as the destroyer within the

• 1:04:02Danny Jones?

  Sheva is known as the destroyer within the the Trimurti, the Hindu Trinity.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Do you remember what Oppenheimer said when the first atomic bomb went off?

• 1:04:14Danny Jones?

  Destroyer of worlds.

• 1:04:15Speaker 01

  I am become Shiva. Now the

• 1:04:17Danny Jones?

  That was a Shiva quote.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  Film changed it a little bit. They didn't tell you the truth.

• 1:04:22Danny Jones?

  That was from the Bhagavad Gita, right?

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, but his exact words are, I am become Shiva destroyer of worlds.

• 1:04:32Danny Jones?

  That's what he actually said?

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  That is what he actually said.

• 1:04:35Danny Jones?

  Changed it?

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 1:04:36Danny Jones?

  Who changed it to I am become death?

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Oh, they they political correctness.

• 1:04:40Danny Jones?

  Really? Fine. We got we got to figure. We got to find this.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  But you could find it.

• 1:04:44Danny Jones?

  I didn't know this.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:48Danny Jones?

  Scroll up, Steve. It's telling you in the AI. Robin Hira did not actually say, I am become Shiva destroyer of worlds. The quote is known for I am be uh for is I am become death destroyer of worlds. The phrase comes from the Bhagavad Gita, the sacred Hindu text. Oppenheimer recalled thinking of this verse during the Trinity nuclear tests, uh the first detonation of a nuclear weapon.

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  But but the point is, the point is, I'm become death. I am become Shiva. Shiva is the lord of death. Same thing.

• 1:05:14Danny Jones?

  Right, but he didn't write I am become Shiva. He wrote I am become.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  Well, some say that he did, and I don't know what text you're pulling from there, but there's a bit of a dispute.

• 1:05:21Danny Jones?

  This is AI, I think. This is the Google AI.

• 1:05:24Speaker 01

  Okay, but my point is.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Brave.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  When someone comes to me and tells me that for a long period of time, they've been smoking weed.

• 1:05:34Speaker 01

  I'm going to say over 50% of the time, I can call forth the demon Shiva.

• 1:05:40Danny Jones?

  But what about all the

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  I'm just telling you.

• 1:05:43Danny Jones?

  What about all like the people that come back from war with PTSD and all these these mental illnesses and these hyper vigilance? These issues that they're having and they're literally prescribed weed and it alleviates weed, CBD, all these all these things that that alleviate their stress.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  Wait a minute.

• 1:05:59Danny Jones?

  Bring them back to normal.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  Wait a minute.

• 1:06:02Danny Jones?

  And save their lives.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  Wait a minute, you're talking about the difference between somebody who's under medical care, medical supervision, who's being administered a drug. Could be any kind of drug.

• 1:06:15Danny Jones?

  It's a drug that comes out of the earth.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:06:17Danny Jones?

  God given plant.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Well, now wait a minute.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  If it's used properly by the proper people for the proper purposes. Okay, so if you've got a doctor.

• 1:06:31Danny Jones?

  Does it say that in the Bible?

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  If you've got it. If you've got a doctor who is administering any kind of drug, which has psychotropic qualities. And that doctor is ministering certain dosages under his supervision.

• 1:06:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  That is very different than a 15 year old kid buying stuff off the streets that's been laced with God knows what, and that's what I deal with.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  Okay, that's a very different scenario.

• 1:07:04Danny Jones?

  Okay, but there's a difference here. You're, you're, you're talking about a 15 year old kid buying something off the streets who is most likely ha- has is involved with crime, bad parenting. There's a lot of shit going on here.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:07:21Danny Jones?

  You're, you can't, you can't take. You can't cherry pick the marijuana out of there and say the marijuana is demonic. Because there's all kinds of other influences going on here.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  I ask the demon under penalty of judgment by the Holy Spirit.

• 1:07:37Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  To tell me. How did you get there? And he laughs and he says, weed.

• 1:07:48Danny Jones?

  He says weed?

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:49Danny Jones?

  Then why did God put weed everywhere?

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  Wait a minute. But by that, he means the illicit use of it. So.

• 1:08:00Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Heroin as a narcotic.

• 1:08:04Danny Jones?

  Poppy.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  Poppy.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Used in a proper derivative form.

• 1:08:13Speaker 01

  And this is an analgesic. As some form of medication.

• 1:08:17Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  What is morphine?

• 1:08:20Danny Jones?

  Same thing.

• 1:08:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay. But if, if it's under a doctor's care and supervision and the quantification of it and the regularity of it.

• 1:08:31Danny Jones?

  What if that person doesn't have the access to a doctor?

• 1:08:37Speaker 01

  They want to play Russian roulette with their mind? That's very dangerous thing to do.

• 1:08:43Danny Jones?

  Is that the devil? If you don't have a doctor prescribing it?

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  It could just be them, could be a lot of things. I'm just telling you. I'm an exorcist. This is what I deal with. This is the ugly truth. About what's going on? And

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  this is where the devil works. In the lives of a lot of young people today, and I see it every day.

• 1:09:10Danny Jones?

  What about? Psilocybin mushrooms or DMT? Because DMT is a molecule that we make inside our own bodies. It's in our lungs, it's in our brain, it's in every plant, every living organism that exists on this earth. It's in this table, it's in the wood in this table. People can take DMT. And have an incredible psychedelic experience where they quite literally leave this dimension and enter another dimension. It's like, it's been described in antiquity as dying and being born again. Like they literally, their soul leaves their physical body. And they enter another dimension. Created of light.

• 1:09:49Speaker 01

  So they think.

• 1:09:50Danny Jones?

  And they come back.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  You don't know that that happens. That's what they describe. But they're describing it in a in a drug state, they're not rationally analyzing this from a biochemical standpoint. They're telling you what they see and feel and experience.

• 1:10:08Danny Jones?

  Correct.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  The devil, the devil is the angel of light, the Bible tells us. He loves to give people these experiences. I deal with people all the time, they come back from Peru and I dealt with Lily the other day. She made six trips to Peru to do ayahuasca. Do you think that woman had demons? Yes, lots of them, of course.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  I'd love to do an exorcism on Aaron Rodgers.

• 1:10:30Danny Jones?

  Really? You think he's possessed?

• 1:10:35Speaker 01

  How many times?

• 1:10:36Danny Jones?

  I mean, to be honest, I'll give you this, let me give you this.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  How many times did he take ayahuasca?

• 1:10:41Danny Jones?

  I don't know, but I'll give you this.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  And look what happened, look what happened to his career.

• 1:10:45Danny Jones?

  The second he started taking ayahuasca.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Ask the New York Jets if they think this guy.

• 1:10:49Danny Jones?

  It directly correlates with his downfall in his football abilities.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  I don't know that, I'm just throwing that out there, it's kind of interesting to speculate.

• 1:10:56Danny Jones?

  No, I'm with you on that one. I think you, I think you might be onto something there. I think Aaron Rodgers might be possessed by a demon. I would love to make that happen.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  I did not say he was. I just said some strange things came out of his mouth and brain after he did those ayahuasca trips.

• 1:11:12Danny Jones?

  What did he say?

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  Ayahuasca is shaman direct. We spoke glowingly of ayahuasca. That's the greatest thing that ever happened. Changed his whole world. And then he did this whole hermit go in a cave and do the silent thing in darkness for a week.

• 1:11:28Danny Jones?

  Meditated, right?

• 1:11:29Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know if he meditated. I don't know what he did in there. But it didn't help his glowing arm, it didn't increase his passing accuracy, I can tell you that much.

• 1:11:42Danny Jones?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  But Satan is a multifaceted evil being. Man, he's coming at you from every which direction. The Bible tells us in 1 Peter 5:8, the devil is like a lion who is roaring, walking about seeking whom he may devour. Here's the bottom line, as an exorcist, I want to stay as far as possible away from anything within reason that might open a door to the devil. Why would I be that dumb? Why would I want to walk into his lair? Why would I want to give him a shot at me? Why would I want to go try ayahuasca, not a shaman

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  give me a guided journey into the world of whatever? Of course not. The Bible says in Philippians 4:8, Paul said, "Think on these things which are true, just, honest, lovely, and have a good report morally." True, honest, just, and lovely. That's what our brains are supposed to be on? Not floating around in the ethereal consciousness of some metaphysical reality? No. Doing good in the world. Being pure, being honest, being just with our neighbors, with our friends, with people we do business with, with everybody

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  in our life. Loving God and then loving your neighbor as yourself. Why don't we focus on that? Let's just love everybody the best that we can.

• 1:13:19Danny Jones?

  That's one of the best, that's one of the best things you can discover on drugs, especially psychedelic drugs, is love.

• 1:13:28Danny Jones?

  That's the fact, that's what you get out of psychedelics.

• 1:13:30Speaker 01

  This is what you get.

• 1:13:32Danny Jones?

  What is this?

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  The Bible.

• 1:13:34Danny Jones?

  This is the Bible?

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  This is what will give you what you're looking for with a poor substitute that runs the risk of getting a demon.

• 1:13:45Danny Jones?

  What, what did you just say? I don't understand what that means.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  I just said, this is the real deal. Everything you're looking for is in Jesus. Everything you're looking for is in the Bible. It's not in psychedelics.

• 1:13:59Danny Jones?

  You don't think Jesus used drugs?

• 1:14:01Speaker 01

  If you're arguing from an empirical basis, you need an exorcism.

• 1:14:06Danny Jones?

  Can you diagnose me? Do you think I'm possessed?

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  Have you done psychedelics?

• 1:14:12Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  Okay. The possibility's there. You could be the nicest guy in the world, and you are genuinely congenial. Pleasure to be with you. But, the devil buys his time, so he worms his way in. He's had an open door, he gets there. You're a nice guy now. Now, we were talking about your wife and kids, and you seem to be a reasonably decent individual. I don't know you, but I assume you're a good dad and a loving husband, okay?

• 1:14:40Danny Jones?

  Thank you.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  All right. But, if a demon got in, through psychedelics, he doesn't ever strike you now. Life is long, friend. Many years ahead of you. You know, as the Beatles said, it's a long and winding road. You don't know what's gonna happen. You don't know.

• 1:15:02Danny Jones?

  I think psychedelics made me a better person, and a better dad.

• 1:15:05Speaker 01

  You don't know what challenges you're gonna face in your life. You don't know what bad things might happen. You don't know what type of crises you may face, morally, spiritually, mentally, physically, with yourself, with your family. Life, I'm just saying, he's going to look for a moment. I'm not saying you have demons. I'm saying if you had them, they could easily be hiding, and they wouldn't be shown now, because you're not making yourself available for that kind of intervention. But, if somewhere down the road Satan sees an opportunity to strike you, he's got this card he can play.

• 1:15:42Speaker 01

  So what you need to do is renounce ever having opened your mind to that realm of transcendentalism through the psychedelics and ask Jesus Christ to close that door. And that if anything came in through that door, that it has to go through the power of Jesus Christ so that you can continue to be the kind of husband and father you want to be. Just that simple. And but you have to fit faith in Christ to do that. Because it's Christ's power that accomplishes the banishing of the devil from your mind. And you don't want him there. You don't want to take the risk. What if you were laying on that hospital bed and the doctor said, "You're dying."

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  And you said, "Oh, doc, I did psychedelics." And he said, "That could be a problem."

• 1:16:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but psychedelics don't kill people. Alcohol kills more people than any other drug.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  You're absolutely right, but but not directly. You know, we are, it's like Timothy Leary has risen from the dead. What's been happening in the last few years. There's been a cultural shift in this whole psychedelic thing now. But now it's coming in through the guys, you know, John Hopkins is doing all this research on it and so on. And so now there's a certain legitimization taking place.

• 1:17:04Danny Jones?

  Legitimization?

• 1:17:05Speaker 01

  I am an exorcist. I cast out demons. I have the track record to know how demons get there. And it would be amiss of me, a dereliction of my spiritual duty, if I did not give you this warning.

• 1:17:24Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:17:25Speaker 01

  For your children. Because the devil always wants the next generation. He might not strike you. He might start pulling some stuff off with your kids. And you might want to, you might be calling me 10 years from now, and I'll still be around casting out demons, by God's grace.

• 1:17:43Speaker 01

  Who knows?

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  This is a divine appointment.

• 1:17:47Danny Jones?

  So a lot of historians will claim that especially I've had people on here who specialize in the Dead Sea Scrolls, who specialize in the Hebrew history, who specialize in the Greeks pharmacology, all I've had, you know, a wide spectrum of biblical scholars and classical scholars on the show. And pretty much all of them agree that there were ancient pagan drug rituals going on before Christianity, and that Christianity borrowed from these drug rituals.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  No. No. BS. No.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Didn't happen. I don't care what the credentials are. Come on. That's being ignorant of church history. That

• 1:18:38Danny Jones?

  But they're taking

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  That that's besmeers the name of every martyr thrown to the lions in the arena. Who died for their faith. Quovatus. They gave their lives for the sake of their gospel, not because they were in some secret gnostic ceremony getting high. Come on. No, that is not true. That is a manufactured lie. There were some, there were some sects, there were some sects.

• 1:19:09Danny Jones?

  Are you saying that there were no, there were none of these pagan religious drug rituals going on?

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no, no, that's true.

• 1:19:16Danny Jones?

  They're not at all connected to Christianity?

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  Not with authentic Christianity.

• 1:19:20Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  There were all these sects. Heretical sects that the early church had to deal with after the first century.

• 1:19:28Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  Especially after the fourth century. And there were these groups claiming to be Christian who did these things. And that's why they had a series of church councils to roundly condemn this and to show its error. And they developed the creeds.

• 1:19:51Speaker 01

  Which were not the result of secret rituals and initiation ceremonies and all that other balderdash that gets thrown in there. No, no, no. That was dealt with by the church and that was thrown out. There were people who did. That'd only been nutty people who've done stuff like that. They do it today.

• 1:20:08Danny Jones?

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• 1:21:15Speaker 03

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• 1:21:17Danny Jones?

  It's me, the

• 1:21:18Speaker 03

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• 1:21:21Danny Jones?

  We don't need the jingle twice.

• 1:21:22Speaker 03

  What about a third time?

• 1:21:24Danny Jones?

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• 1:21:30Speaker 03

  Seems like they just started.

• 1:21:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but I didn't mention that you can save up to 60% off hotels in the Priceline app.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  Time to read the timeline.

• 1:21:38Danny Jones?

  Fine. No one deals more deals than

• 1:21:40Speaker 03

  Priceline.

• 1:21:41Danny Jones?

  Please stop.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  Priceline.

• 1:21:43Danny Jones?

  Touche.

• 1:21:44Speaker 03

  Priceline.

• 1:21:45Danny Jones?

  Priceline.

• 1:21:46Speaker 01

  But it's not authentic Christianity. It's not biblical Christianity. I don't care what anybody tells you and what they think their credentials are. Measure those credentials against the larger academic community in the Christian world and see how that measures up.

• 1:22:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but here's the problem with it. Why does the academics, why can you only look at the academic scholarship in the Christian world? Why can't you look at it outside of the Christian world? We have, we have our history, right? We, and then we have, we have all of our history and then we have this narrow lane of Christianity. It's all part of history, but some of the scholarship only stays in this one lane of theology and they don't look outside of the theology and all the other texts that existed at the same exact time. And everything, they don't take the context of everything in history, right? They're only, they're only taking into account what the Christian history is.

• 1:22:39Speaker 01

  This is the canon of scripture and it was declared to be the only infallible rule of faith God inspired. When we move away from that, it's a free for all. Sure, pick and choose what you want, throw in what you want to throw in.

• 1:22:56Danny Jones?

  Throw in?

• 1:22:57Speaker 01

  Does it say it in the Bible? Does it say it in agreement in the original languages with a cross section of respectable theologians, all of whom are accountable one to another in terms of the translations?

• 1:23:17Danny Jones?

  So. Yeah, it does, according to the translators.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 1:23:20Danny Jones?

  According to the trans, according to the people who read the text, they say yes.

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  Do you know anything about the translation process of the Bible and the canonization of scripture? No, not really.

• 1:23:28Danny Jones?

  I know a little bit.

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  A little bit, you don't know much because it's incredibly rigorous. It's letter by letter, word by word, and it does not, it's not just one person. It's a large group of people.

• 1:23:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  All, and, and they're not outside of the framework of a commitment to Jesus Christ. Now that's what it really all comes down to. The person who says these things, the Gnostic who did this or did that. Are they worshiping Jesus Christ as Creator of God? God from eternity past to eternity future? The only hope of salvation of the world who died on the cross, who defeated the devil in the wilderness, who crushed him with his heel by Genesis 3:15, and who rose again from the dead? The people who believe that gave their lives. They sacrificed everything.

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  Peter said, "Crucify me upside down." Paul said, "I live, but neth not I; it is Christ who lives within me." That's really what it's all about. And, and do you think I could cast out demons if I didn't believe that? Are you kidding me? Wow, I would have been toast a long time ago. Now, when you face demons, they hate this book. In fact, sometimes when a demon won't do what I'm telling it to do, once in a while, use some videos, I just smack him with it.

• 1:25:01Danny Jones?

  Smack him with the book?

• 1:25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, because that's sort of spiritual psychodrama in the sense that I'm taking a physical word and treating it as a spiritual word. I just go bum like that. They scream, they cry out, "Don't get that thing near me." When I lift up my cross and doing an exorcism, they do everything they can to get away from him. "Get that thing away from me, I hate that thing, I hate that thing." See, he's doing it right now. This is, this is my real world. I am an exorcist. I see this happen all day long, every day. So, if I followed your train of thought,

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  I would not be an exorcist and I couldn't get rid of any demons. And the marriages which have been saved, the families which have been restored, the people who are happy now off drugs, out of their pornography and living good, decent, godly lives. None of that would have ever happened unless I believed this.

• 1:26:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think there's probably a huge amount of people that, that, that do benefit from that legitimately. Um, but you know, my point was, I think there's also a lot of people who really, really benefit the same way from psychedelic drugs, from things like ayahuasca, psilocybin mushrooms, these things that come from our earth that God created.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  Just, just remember what I warned you of. And it may not be next month or next year.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  But God makes no mistakes and no moment is ever lost on God. And someday, sometime, you will remember me looking at you now and saying these things. And you will have an, oh, my God moment. Why didn't I listen?

• 1:26:55Danny Jones?

  I don't know, man. I think we need to get you to try some, some DMT.

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Get me what?

• 1:26:59Danny Jones?

  Some DMT. I got some in the other room. I think you won't regret it, man. It'll be an eye opener. You might meet God face to face.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  You will meet the devil appearing as God. Okay, you won't meet God. You're meeting God face to face now, not with me.

• 1:27:23Speaker 01

  But with his word, with who he is. He is the logos. He is the living word. And as I speak that word to you, you are facing God. But as Billy Graham once said,

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  people don't have intellectual reservations about being Christians. They have moral ones.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  I think that's true. I've seen it. It's not intellectual.

• 1:27:54Danny Jones?

  People that don't want to be associated with the child and stuff.

• 1:27:57Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. Don't pick the extremes. People have moral reservations. There's a moral, that's true. But they have moral reasons for not wanting to be a Christian. That's not an accusation, by the way. I don't know.

• 1:28:12Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Could be. I don't know. I don't know what's in your past. But if you came to me in an exorcism, I'd want to know, and I'd make a detailed list. And I couldn't get your demons out unless you told me everything. And you might not want to tell me everything.

• 1:28:26Danny Jones?

  Right. Well, I mean, I would only go to an exorcist if I was like really, really, if, if I believed in God and I believed in the devil. If I was a religious person, I would believe exorcism was real and would work. If I wasn't that kind of person, I probably wouldn't, I would think exorcism is bullshit. So why would I waste my time? Kind of, you know, you, you kind of pointed that out earlier.

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  I guess it comes, it comes, comes back to your belief system. What is your core, what is your, what is your core, core? What is your core definition of truth?

• 1:28:55Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  Is it, Jesus said, I am the truth. I am the truth. I am the way. I am the life. No man comes to God by, by me.

• 1:29:07Speaker 01

  Well, you can argue any way you want. But again, I'm an exorcist. I see the real evidence of truths such as that every single day. I have no power over a demon. I can weigh my Bible, wave my cross, but unless I am doing it with faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, walked back from death to life and living eternally, no demon's going to go anywhere. Everything is going to collapse. But you see, I'm in a, I'm in a life and death struggle every day for people. And the demons look at me and they say, I'm going to kill them. I'm going to kill them. I've got a plan. I've already done, I've already got it working.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  And these, these people have already had suicidal ideation. They're cutters. They're self mutilators. They have done all sorts of things. They're self destructive in nature. And the devil just looks at me like, I'm going to kill them. I've got them. I'm the spirit of death or whatever.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  And then I'll look at them and say, well, maybe they've fallen by the wayside, but.

• 1:30:16Speaker 01

  Have they at least once in their life put their faith and trust in Jesus Christ? The demon says, yes. I said, then they're not yours. They belong to God. You gotta go.

• 1:30:26Danny Jones?

  And the demon obeys.

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  You need to be with me in an exorcism.

• 1:30:29Danny Jones?

  I would love to.

• 1:30:30Speaker 01

  A real exorcism.

• 1:30:31Danny Jones?

  I would love to. That's why I brought you here today. I wanted you to exorcise the man in the other room.

• 1:30:38Danny Jones?

  This was gonna be, this was originally, that was the plan.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  I know that. I want to exorcise you.

• 1:30:43Danny Jones?

  You do?

• 1:30:43Speaker 01

  But I can't do it.

• 1:30:45Danny Jones?

  Why?

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Well, because you're, you're not putting yourself in a faith position to be able to do that. That's, that's okay. You're not there right now. That's fine.

• 1:30:53Danny Jones?

  I don't understa- that, that's, that's the part I can't get past. That's the part I can't get past. Why do I have to believe in you? Why do I have to believe in the devil and God to be, to have you exorcise the demon from me?

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  How can I cast out a demon you don't believe in? If you don't believe that it exists.

• 1:31:06Danny Jones?

  If the demon's in me, the demon's in me.

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  If it's not an existential reality of, to you, you're not going to get rid of any demon. But if it is, and if you've got some dark secrets in your life, and I don't know about what maybe you have, most everybody does, but... And if any of those are open door to demons, you've already told me several of them, then you, you likely have some demons, very congenial ones, but sometimes they are.

• 1:31:31Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:31:32Speaker 01

  Doesn't mean you're a bad guy. I just told you, I cast demons out of priests, out of nuns, out of pastors.

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  Because there's been a dope open door in their life somewhere. And oftentimes it's the ancestors. What's your ancestry?

• 1:31:48Danny Jones?

  What's my ancestry?

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, what's your ancestry?

• 1:31:49Danny Jones?

  I am like, uh, I think I'm like 80% Norwegian.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  Uh-oh. Case closed.

• 1:31:56Danny Jones?

  Devil worshippers?

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  Case closed.

• 1:31:59Danny Jones?

  Please tell me. I want to know.

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm, I'm a quarter Norwegian.

• 1:32:02Danny Jones?

  Are you?

• 1:32:03Speaker 01

  So that's, that's, that's my disclaimer. Yeah.

• 1:32:06Danny Jones?

  So I'm good?

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  You believe the Marvel myth.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Loki's not a good guy. He's a demon. So is Thor. So is Odin. And if you have Norwegian ancestors. Hmm. I would say there's a high probability there's somewhere in your bloodline. And if you've never renounced those gods. Do you know your history? They were brought over. They were pillaged, destroyed. They came into the British Isles. They burned the churches. They killed the priests.

• 1:32:47Danny Jones?

  The Norwegians did?

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  Yes. The Vikings did.

• 1:32:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  You're Norwegian, you're Viking.

• 1:32:56Danny Jones?

  That's metal.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  It's, it's, it's bad.

• 1:32:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Really bad. I'm not joking. And so you've got that in your ancestry. It's in your DNA.

• 1:33:06Danny Jones?

  Maybe that's what gives me my instinct to want to rebel.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  Well, maybe. But what did they do?

• 1:33:17Speaker 01

  They came down.

• 1:33:18Danny Jones?

  What did they, what did they do?

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  They, the Huns and the Mongols created the, the German civilization. Look at the German civilization and I'm half German.

• 1:33:24Danny Jones?

  The Nazis wanted to recruit. They wanted, they wanted the, uh, Norwegians.

• 1:33:29Speaker 01

  They were into Nordic stuff.

• 1:33:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  Deep, dark Nordic stuff.

• 1:33:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  Okay. That's where Hitler got his power.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  Goebbels got his power from that. They knew that stuff. And they knew the history. Read the Paganism. History of Germany is very fascinating.

• 1:33:47Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  About the Nordic influence that was there. But now you've just kind of told me so.

• 1:33:52Danny Jones?

  And the occult stuff that they were into, a lot of dark shit.

• 1:33:56Speaker 01

  Very dark, very dark.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  I deal with Loki, Thor, Odin, Fenrir, Freya and Balder and the likes of them.

• 1:34:07Danny Jones?

  Demons you're talking about?

• 1:34:08Speaker 01

  These are all demons, but they're Nordic gods. They're Nordic names for the pantheon of the superhuman beings who were in reality demons.

• 1:34:18Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  But they were characterized by these various names.

• 1:34:25Danny Jones?

  Okay, understood. So.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  If Fenrir the wolf manifests, and I've seen it happen many times, it is one of the most vicious things you can behold.

• 1:34:40Danny Jones?

  Please explain.

• 1:34:41Speaker 01

  The person becomes an animal.

• 1:34:44Danny Jones?

  Have you seen this?

• 1:34:45Speaker 01

  Yes, I've seen it many times. Growl, snarl, come at you.

• 1:34:52Danny Jones?

  They become violent?

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  Their teeth extended. They become a wolf. I mean, we're not talking about lecanthropy here, or, you know, Wolverine, or, we're talking about the real deal. That's your heritage. A quarter of that was my heritage. So what did I do about it? I said, "Lord Jesus Christ, all the evil of my Nordic ancestors, I cancel, I cut myself off from it, I renounce their evil deeds from passing on to me, my family, and my children, that that may not be my heritage."

• 1:35:35Speaker 01

  And also did that with my Irish part and my German part. Don't tell me you got Irish.

• 1:35:41Danny Jones?

  I don't think there's any Irish.

• 1:35:42Speaker 01

  Norwegian isn't enough. I mean, I'm not joking, I'm dead serious about this.

• 1:35:46Danny Jones?

  Right, no, yeah, I believe you.

• 1:35:48Speaker 01

  And, you know, if you read the characteristics, again, not the Marvel comic series, kind of balderization of this, read the real thing about what these gods were like. It's you, somewhere back there, your ancestors were that. So you need an exorcism.

• 1:36:08Danny Jones?

  Let's do it.

• 1:36:09Speaker 01

  Can't.

• 1:36:10Danny Jones?

  Why?

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  See, that's where people don't understand.

• 1:36:14Danny Jones?

  Because I don't believe, right, because I don't believe in the devil, I don't, I'm not religious. I haven't accepted Christ into my heart.

• 1:36:20Speaker 01

  Yes, but there's this triangulation. God, me, you. That's what every exorcism is about, the exorcist, the supplicant, and God. There has to be triangulated agreement. And we know God

• 1:36:40Danny Jones?

  So I need to become...

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Wants you to be free. God wants every person to be free from the devil. I want you to be free from the devil.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Do you want to be free from the devil? So God cannot and will not enforce his will upon man? We are free moral agents. I cannot enforce my will upon anybody who doesn't want to get rid of their demons or the possibility that they might have them and that they do so with the measure of faith they have at that moment. I mean, you don't have to be an altar boy to get delivered from demons. You just have to want God.

• 1:37:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  And stop getting high on psychedelics.

• 1:37:29Danny Jones?

  What is God, though? I don't know what God.

• 1:37:31Speaker 01

  Oh, now we're going far afoot.

• 1:37:34Danny Jones?

  Do I want God? Depends what, depends what your definition of God is. Right, I think, I think you can find God on psychedelics.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  Read the Bible. Just read it. You don't read it.

• 1:37:45Danny Jones?

  I don't read the Bible. You're right.

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  Okay, so?

• 1:37:47Danny Jones?

  I will read it. That's one of my, that's my New Year's resolution to read the Bible. I'm serious.

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  Go on.

• 1:37:53Danny Jones?

  I'm gonna read. I've heard it's a very hard read.

• 1:37:55Speaker 01

  No, depends what translation you get. There are more.

• 1:37:58Danny Jones?

  What one do you recommend? What translation do you recommend?

• 1:38:01Speaker 01

  I like the new King James Version. It takes the lofty language of the original Authorized King James Version and takes out the Vs and Thous, but it keeps it very close to the original. That's because that's what I started out as a, as a student of ministry to memorize Scripture. So you had to pick a version. Back then, they didn't have so many versions. That's the one I picked.

• 1:38:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:38:23Speaker 01

  But, but it, you know, the essence is the same. The basic truth is the same if it's a proper translation.

• 1:38:30Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  You know, it's not a transliteration. It's a translation. There's a big difference, but, but you, you, you, look.

• 1:38:37Danny Jones?

  The crazy thing is it's all translations.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  You're just at bat. You haven't even swung yet. You've got to start swinging in the right direction. And open up your heart to the possibility that God is there, that Christ died for your sins, that demons are real, and you don't want demons. I mean, look at that. I don't want demons. Those priests are trying to get rid of them. You know, that's, that's kind of, kind of a archaic way to look at it.

• 1:39:02Danny Jones?

  What's going on with that baby in the bottom left?

• 1:39:03Speaker 01

  The Sacred Heart of Jesus is zapping those demons and they're, they're going. Okay? So that's, you, do you think these people were all nutcases? No. A lot of them probably. No, these were holy men. They feared God. And they wanted people to be free from the devil.

• 1:39:23Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  Nobody's perfect. Were they all totally mentally balanced? You're not, certainly not after all the psychedelics you've done.

• 1:39:31Danny Jones?

  I think they make me more mentally balanced.

• 1:39:33Speaker 01

  Exorcist is ridding people of an alien entity. It is an evil spirit who seeks to take over psychoneurologically every part of the mind, the nervous system, the psychopathology of the person. They want you to emote and to think and to respond to things the way they do. They want to become you because they don't have any other way to express themselves. They're disembodied. No matter how evil they are, they can't molest a child. They can't pull the trigger of a gun and shoot somebody. They have to be in somebody to do that.

• 1:40:11Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  Okay. So if there's a woman in the subway, the fire's gonna be lit and burn her alive and sit there and laugh at it. Well, they can't do that, but they can be in the guy un in the subway and lead him to do that.

• 1:40:26Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  And much of what goes on in our society is demonic. Not all of it, some of it's just fallen, human, depraved nature of people who are indecent. But much of it is demonic. And that's why exorcism is needed to help the people who are driven to do those things. I can't wait to get to heaven and the Lord tells me about all the people who would have killed themselves, who would have killed somebody else. I remember one night, wanna hear an interesting story?

• 1:41:05Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:41:07Speaker 01

  I was in Christchurch, New Zealand, and I was speaking in a public forum.

• 1:41:12Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:41:14Speaker 01

  And this guy starts screaming in the audience.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  And I go back, I say,

• 1:41:20Danny Jones?

  Were you doing a talk, a public talk or something?

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:22Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:41:22Speaker 01

  And this guy starts screaming, so I go back to him. And I said, uh, what's going on? And he said, I'm filled with hate. I'm gonna kill my father. I hate him. I said, why? He said, the whole childhood, my father murdered me. I want him dead. But he said, I'm a Christian. I know I shouldn't think this. And I said, well, you got demons.

• 1:41:47Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  So we cast the demons out of him. Demons are murder. Hate, etc. When it was all over with, uh, he said, can you come outside of the car for a minute?

• 1:42:02Speaker 01

  I said, okay, so I had a couple of people with me, the dark and I were going out of the car.

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  He lifts the boot, as they would say, the trunk.

• 1:42:14Speaker 01

  And he reaches inside and grabs an ax about that long.

• 1:42:18Danny Jones?

  I thought you were gonna say his dad was in the trunk.

• 1:42:22Speaker 01

  He said,

• 1:42:24Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna be needing this. He said, I was on my way to kill my father and chop his head off.

• 1:42:32Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:42:32Speaker 01

  And I decided I would give God one last chance.

• 1:42:39Speaker 01

  And so I came to this meeting.

• 1:42:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  Hoping somebody could get rid of this demon.

• 1:42:47Speaker 01

  If that alone was worth my lifetime of commitment to exorcism, that would be enough

• 1:42:55Speaker 01

  to save one life.

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  But I'm convinced that I and others who do this have saved many, many, many lives of people who might have done horrible things had they not gotten rid of their demons.

• 1:43:12Danny Jones?

  Does God punish anyone?

• 1:43:15Speaker 01

  Ultimately, yes, the devil.

• 1:43:19Danny Jones?

  But he wouldn't punish a guy who his own son.

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  Unless that individual seeks the forgiveness of God's grace.

• 1:43:30Danny Jones?

  So God saved that guy's life who was his own son.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  God's merciful. That's hard to understand. God is merciful, but

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  God says in the word, vengeance is mine, says God, I will repay. So the minute human beings decide they're going to take things into their own hands and wreak vengeance.

• 1:43:55Speaker 01

  Trouble always results because we're in no position to cast the first stone. We don't really know what's in a person's life, but I can tell you something about that father that I've learned from being an exorcist. You know why he did that? His father did it to him. High probability. And so on and so on. And that evil compounded.

• 1:44:18Speaker 01

  Until that night, it was canceled. Because this young man did not murder.

• 1:44:27Speaker 01

  Because of what his father did. And now he's gone on to live a decent, productive life. That's what exorcism does. It stops evil in its tracks and says, you have come so far.

• 1:44:42Speaker 01

  No more.

• 1:44:43Danny Jones?

  Do you believe in extraterrestrial civilizations and aliens?

• 1:44:46Speaker 01

  Absolutely not.

• 1:44:48Danny Jones?

  No?

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:44:49Danny Jones?

  You know, the Vatican is starting to explore that stuff, right? The Vatican?

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  Well, what about that?

• 1:44:54Danny Jones?

  They're starting to explore that possibility.

• 1:44:57Speaker 01

  Well, they're exploring what it's about, but they're not exploring the idea that there's extraterrestrial life because the Bible is pretty clear.

• 1:45:08Danny Jones?

  I think the head, the head of the

• 1:45:10Speaker 01

  The heavens declare the glory of God. Oh, yeah, there could be some people there that

• 1:45:14Danny Jones?

  Somebody, people there think so.

• 1:45:15Speaker 01

  But you're listening to people who are not in the Vatican.

• 1:45:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the guy's in the Vatican. He's like the guy who's a part of the

• 1:45:20Speaker 01

  You actually talked to the guy?

• 1:45:21Danny Jones?

  No, I just, you know, I read it online.

• 1:45:23Speaker 01

  Well, okay.

• 1:45:24Danny Jones?

  Same one, because I get all my info.

• 1:45:25Speaker 01

  Let me finish.

• 1:45:28Danny Jones?

  What does this say? Here's the, here's the report right here, says Steve. From, from where? What's the source here? We need the source. We can't just be taking anyone's word for it. Go up, scroll up.

• 1:45:38Danny Jones?

  Let me read it. Let me read it.

• 1:45:39Speaker 01

  The implication.

• 1:45:39Danny Jones?

  Give it to me, Steve. The Vatican has shown interest in the possibility of extraterrestrial life, but does not seem to be actively searching for aliens. In 2009, the Vatican held a conference on astrobiology, which included discussions about the implications of alien life for religion and science. The Vatican's chief astronomer, Father Jose, Jose Funes, Funes, has stated that if aliens exist, they could be considered part of God's creation and might not need redemption.

• 1:46:07Speaker 01

  Wrong. Dead wrong. That, that right there. That's it. That's the core of it. Wrong.

• 1:46:12Danny Jones?

  It's wrong.

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  I'll tell you why.

• 1:46:13Danny Jones?

  Please.

• 1:46:15Speaker 01

  Okay. Want to know why?

• 1:46:17Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:46:18Speaker 01

  But the Bible teaches that the fall of Adam and Eve was cosmological. It was not earth centric. The entire of creation, the Bible says, groans and travails. It's in agony, awaiting for the completion of God's purpose for the universe. So all of the universe, all of it, outside of heaven, of course, was affected by the fall of Adam and Eve. Sin has corrupted the entire universe, but particularly Earth. Christ came to Earth, the Bible is

• 1:47:03Speaker 01

  very clear about this, to die for the sons of Adam and Eve, who have been affected by their original sin. If there are civilizations and other planets, dead wrong. They do need redemption, but then you have a philosophical question and a theological question. How many planets did Jesus have to repeat going to and die and rise again from the dead over and over and over and over?

• 1:47:33Danny Jones?

  How come God only chose Earth?

• 1:47:34Speaker 01

  No, he did it once for Earth and citizens of Earth, the descendants of Adam and Eve, to complete the spiritual redemption of the cosmos ultimately. And so what are these beings? I deal with them all the time.

• 1:47:51Danny Jones?

  What do you think is going on? Because there's lots of accounts throughout history of people explaining-

• 1:47:55Speaker 01

  The ones, the beings who are not figments of people's imagination, they're demons.

• 1:48:04Danny Jones?

  Like, um, like the, the, the classical explanations and accounts from, for example, Professor John Mack, the Harvard psychologist who interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people who believed they were abducted by aliens, took them into a spaceship and had their sperm in their, um-

• 1:48:20Speaker 01

  I've interviewed them, I've heard the same-

• 1:48:22Danny Jones?

  Eggs extracted.

• 1:48:22Speaker 01

  I've heard the same stories.

• 1:48:23Danny Jones?

  What do you think's going on there?

• 1:48:27Speaker 01

  First of all, the devil knows the transmutation of energy and matter. He knows its interchangeability. E equals mc squared. He knows that. He knows how to manipulate that. If you go back to when Moses confronted Pharaoh and Pharaoh's sorcerers or magicians, Moses threw down the rod of Aaron and it turned into a snake.

• 1:48:52Speaker 01

  What did the magicians of Pharaoh do? They threw down their rods and turned them into snakes. Although God's snake ate the Egyptians' snakes. But, they did know how to change matter into animated life of some form. There was no illusion. They were real snakes. Alright. Wow, that's pretty interesting. If the devil knows how to do that, why can't he, in the skies at night, or whenever, change energy into matter? And for periods of time, create an objectified sense of reality that defies the laws of thermodynamics?

• 1:49:35Speaker 01

  And do all sorts of crazy things because it keeps people interested, not in the problems of sin down here, but the fascination of UFOs out there. That's, that's, it's just, it is so disingenuous, it's almost laughable.

• 1:49:53Speaker 01

  And so I meet these people. I talked to them. I was abducted. I went to the spaceship. Oh yeah, they impregnated me. They did this. It's possible. It is possible in an interdimensional reality that could have taken place. I don't deny that, but it's not a permanent physical reality. It is a temporary phenomenon designed for deception. That's my belief system because if it was a common phenomenon, it would be everywhere with the same objectified forms of materialization, but it's always different. It's a little...

• 1:50:30Danny Jones?

  It's very similar, actually.

• 1:50:31Speaker 01

  Read the writings of Jacques Vallée.

• 1:50:33Danny Jones?

  I have. I have. Oh, yeah.

• 1:50:34Speaker 01

  He said these things were extradimensional.

• 1:50:37Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:50:37Speaker 01

  That was his ultimate conclusion. Okay.

• 1:50:40Danny Jones?

  Well, he thinks that he thinks they're not only extradimensional. He was obsessed with the devil and he was obsessed with the story, the medieval stories of angels and demons. He had a book. I had a woman in here who met Jacques and went to his house and she showed it. She actually gave him the Book of Satan.

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  I didn't know that. That's interesting.

• 1:50:57Danny Jones?

  It had 666 pages.

• 1:50:59Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:50:59Danny Jones?

  And he told her, he said, you want to know what these beings are? He's like, you need to understand this book. And it was the Book of the Devil.

• 1:51:06Speaker 01

  I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I'll have got to check it a little further. But the point is...

• 1:51:11Danny Jones?

  So, so...

• 1:51:12Speaker 01

  The devil creates this phenomenon because while people are fascinated, as are many of your guests and many of your viewers, listeners, by all of that, they're overlooking this. Their time is spent conjuring thoughts about what might be there and who it is. I have a slight interest in it.

• 1:51:35Danny Jones?

  I think it's a very similar thing. I think it's a very similar thing. People like to fill the gaps of knowledge they don't have with things like God and aliens, right?

• 1:51:46Speaker 01

  Very well put. And Whitley Strieber is a good example. You had him on.

• 1:51:51Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. You familiar with Whitley?

• 1:51:52Speaker 01

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• 1:52:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 1:52:56Speaker 01

  Yes. He told you he had a chip in his head.

• 1:52:59Danny Jones?

  How the hell did I not find that interview?

• 1:53:00Speaker 01

  I didn't see you follow that up. I'd like to know where that chip is and if, if, you know, it's medically provable, he has an implanted chip in his head by aliens.

• 1:53:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he played, he gave us a video. He showed, he gave me the video of it.

• 1:53:11Speaker 01

  Well, then that's interesting.

• 1:53:13Danny Jones?

  Have you seen the video?

• 1:53:14Speaker 01

  I haven't seen the, I've seen your video, but I haven't seen anything else that proves he's actually got an implant.

• 1:53:19Danny Jones?

  It's in his ear.

• 1:53:21Speaker 01

  Well, what's interesting is the thing that the demons do to people is consistent. Outside of the whole spaceship thing, what they also do to people, we started out talking about incubus and succubus and demonic sexual experiences. Well, this is just another form of it in an interplanetary mode. You know, they're either having sex with these beings or, or they're, these beings are probing them sexually. Almost every person I've talked to who claims to have an alien encounter, there's some sexualization connected to it. I'm not saying all of them, but the ones I've talked with, it all comes down to something sexual.

• 1:54:03Speaker 01

  Well, that tells you something.

• 1:54:04Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:54:04Speaker 01

  That's not godly, that's evil. Well, if it's evil, is it a manufactured material reality from another realm? And just loving, sitting back and laughing at us while we're all so fascinated by all of this. I'm not. And meanwhile, we're forgetting. Are we forgetting there's a war in Ukraine and people are dying? Are we forgetting that the international order is is being upended? And we don't know where things are going to go. Are we forgetting about human trafficking? Are we forgetting that our kids overdosing on drugs? And the the admissions to emergency wards in the hospitals because of psychosis from psychedelics? And weed laced with fentanyl is exploding. Are we forgetting this is the real problem?

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  The homelessness, the hurt and the pain of people that every day somebody's being raped and damaged for life because of an evil individual. Let's get our eyes off of that and get our eyes down here. And let's do good in the world in the name of God to change things. That's my mission. Because every person that I can save through an exorcism, through Christ, of course, is going to be a changed life who's got the potential to be a loving human being and make somebody else's life better. That's exorcism. That's Christianity.

• 1:55:29Danny Jones?

  I think, um, going back to what we were talking about with Jacques Vallée. I think whatever people were seeing or witnessing back then that were are described in the Bible and biblical texts as angels or and or demons, things like Ezekiel's wheel. I think Jacques Vallée believes that those were UFOs, aliens. There was the same thing going on back then. And we, throughout history, human history, people have either seen them as biblical, ethereal entities or...

• 1:55:57Speaker 01

  Are you trying to channel Eric Van Donigan?

• 1:56:00Danny Jones?

  No, I've never read anything from Eric Van Donigan.

• 1:56:03Speaker 01

  Well, chariots of the gods.

• 1:56:05Danny Jones?

  Right, I'm familiar with his book, but I've never read any of them.

• 1:56:07Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, you're just spouting what he thinks. I mean, this is, what is the point? What is the point?

• 1:56:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:13Speaker 01

  If our neighbor next door is in need and we don't recognize it.

• 1:56:18Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:56:18Speaker 01

  If if the people in our family are going through some type of a crisis and they need our love and care and concern. Isn't that where we should be put in our time?

• 1:56:30Danny Jones?

  Sure, of course.

• 1:56:31Speaker 01

  Look at what's going on with, with the emotional breakdown of people today, the amount of institutionalization, people living on the streets because of fentanyl. Why aren't we doing something about these things? It's easier to worry about what's out there than, than to roll up your sleeves and do something about what's wrong down here.

• 1:56:53Danny Jones?

  Hmm, well, there's diffusion of responsibility. There's so many people on this damn earth. You walk around New York City, you can find somebody overdosing on fentanyl, foaming on, at the mouth on the side of the road, people just walk right over them.

• 1:57:03Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:57:03Danny Jones?

  Somebody gets in a car accident, they're bleeding, pulling their child out of the car seat, the people just walk by, you know, their people are, are psychopaths, they're losing their connection to community and to other human beings because of technology and because of population, because of urbanization of these cities. There's lots of reasons.

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  But right even as we speak, where is God? I'll tell you. He's with those firefighters in California who are risking their lives to save other people. They may or may not be Christians, but they're doing good in the world. They're doing something that changes another person's reality so that they don't suffer. They're doing their best, they're risking themselves.

• 1:57:45Danny Jones?

  Hmm, yeah, definitely.

• 1:57:47Speaker 01

  That's my job as an exorcist. I'm not a firefighter. Those are brave men.

• 1:57:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:54Speaker 01

  But I am fighting fires and I'm trying to change people's lives, one individual at a time, into somebody who is no longer indwelt by this visceral sense of evil inside them that torments them day and night. And if I rescue one, or two, or 10, I've done the work of God.

• 1:58:22Danny Jones?

  If you could rescue one public figure, or somebody in politics, or somebody that everybody knows, who would it be? Who is the most demon possessed person in politics right now?

• 1:58:31Speaker 01

  Oh, have you had that in your hip pocket, just waiting to spring it?

• 1:58:36Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:58:37Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 1:58:44Speaker 01

  There are so many candidates.

• 1:58:46Danny Jones?

  I agree. I think, I think US politics is run by demons.

• 1:58:52Speaker 01

  Well, greed.

• 1:58:55Danny Jones?

  Greed, yes.

• 1:58:56Speaker 01

  Spirit of Mammon.

• 1:58:58Danny Jones?

  Spirit of who?

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  A Mammon.

• 1:59:00Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 1:59:00Speaker 01

  And the spirit of Leviathan, the spirit of pride runs politics. I know how desperately you wanted me to say Nancy Pelosi or Bernie Sanders or Kamala Harris, but I'm not gonna do it.

• 1:59:14Danny Jones?

  Maybe Trump, maybe Trump's got a demon.

• 1:59:16Speaker 01

  Maybe. Anybody could have demons. And some of those people override those impulses by trying to do the right thing with a belief system that is good.

• 1:59:31Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:59:32Danny Jones?

  What I'm really getting at is Hillary.

• 1:59:33Speaker 01

  They, you don't know how they sleep at night and you don't know what they're like behind closed doors, none of them. And that's the thing. It isn't, it isn't how we act in public, it's how we treat our families, our innocent children, our spouses, our friends.

• 1:59:54Speaker 01

  Jesus said, greater love has no man than this than to lay down his life for a friend.

• 2:00:01Speaker 01

  That's pretty simple, isn't it? We don't do it.

• 2:00:04Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 2:00:05Speaker 01

  A few do. A few brave soldiers, firefighters, emergency workers, people like that, that's kind of obvious, doctors, you know. But, but I mean it in a broader sense. We lay down our life for somebody else. We give up of ourselves so that somebody else's life is better. That's what the gospel of Christ is all about. Jesus said, if you don't deny yourself and follow me, you're not fit to be in the kingdom of God. The rich young ruler came to Jesus and he said, I've done everything right. I've kept all the laws. I've been a moral man. And Jesus said, there's one thing you haven't done. And he said, I want you to sell everything you've got and give it to the poor and follow

• 2:00:47Speaker 01

  me. He walked away. We don't ever know whatever happened to that man. It's, it's, it's this impulse, a pride, a power of wanting something we ought not to have, whether it's some psychedelic transcendental experience or whether it's some. Orgiastic high.

• 2:01:12Speaker 01

  When Jesus said, "Follow me.

• 2:01:18Speaker 01

  Follow me. I am the way, the truth, and the life." And when people are beset by demons, they say something in common. They say, "I try to read my Bible and I can't. I can't. I go to church and I get sick. I try to receive holy communion and I feel like I want to throw up."

• 2:01:38Speaker 01

  Is it psychological? Could be. Most times it's not. When you get that much evidence, it's likely a demon because they're trying to do something holy and good, and the devil doesn't like that.

• 2:01:53Speaker 01

  So,

• 2:01:55Speaker 01

  we have to get rid of the demons. We need more demon people who are out there fighting demon hunters, out there fighting down the devil, looking down the devil, taking him head on, boldly, aggressively,

• 2:02:07Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:02:08Speaker 01

  with determination, saying, "I'm not going to allow by God's grace, any more evil in this world. I'm gonna fight evil with everything that I have."

• 2:02:17Danny Jones?

  Have you ever encountered somebody who is demon possessed who smelled like sulfur?

• 2:02:22Speaker 01

  A couple of times.

• 2:02:23Danny Jones?

  Because I've heard through many people, including Alex Jones, that Hillary Clinton smells like sulfur.

• 2:02:33Danny Jones?

  I'm serious.

• 2:02:34Speaker 01

  Okay, I would not think Alex Jones is the paragon of Christian virtue to make that determination.

• 2:02:41Danny Jones?

  He's a Christian. He's a very devout Christian.

• 2:02:43Speaker 01

  Well, he's devout in his own kind of way, but I think the Sandy Hook thing did him in, shall we say, okay? Yeah, all right. Yeah, I don't want to go there. I haven't met the man. But I'm not concerned whether she smells like sulfur. That, what's, what's the relevance of that?

• 2:03:03Danny Jones?

  Because if she's in, she's so high up in politics and she could, she has so much blackmail on so many people because she was related to Jeffrey Epstein.

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  Children from a pizza parlor. Yes, been there, heard that. Again, what are we doing? We're, we're focusing our attention on the, the odd, the strange, the unusual, the chaotic. Yeah, we're gonna go jousting windmills. No, no, no, no, no.

• 2:03:28Speaker 01

  People are in need around us, the people who sit in front of me on a Zoom monitor every day of my life.

• 2:03:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:03:35Speaker 01

  Four, five, six, seven a day.

• 2:03:37Danny Jones?

  Exorcisms on Zoom.

• 2:03:38Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, yes. I remember when I started doing that on Skype, going back some years ago.

• 2:03:45Danny Jones?

  Back to the Skype days.

• 2:03:46Speaker 01

  CNN said at that time, it's number, they're number one reporter. And even Comedy Central, what's his face, he used to host the show, My Mind Went Blank. Um, he was retired now, got a beard and he's a political pundit.

• 2:04:03Danny Jones?

  On Comedy Central?

• 2:04:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.

• 2:04:06Danny Jones?

  I don't remember.

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  Noah, whatever his name took over.

• 2:04:08Danny Jones?

  Oh, Noah?

• 2:04:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, not Noah, the guy before him.

• 2:04:11Danny Jones?

  Oh, I don't remember.

• 2:04:12Speaker 01

  Of course you do.

• 2:04:15Speaker 01

  We just can't remember his name.

• 2:04:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:04:17Speaker 01

  John.

• 2:04:18Danny Jones?

  It's irrelevant.

• 2:04:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:04:19Danny Jones?

  Jon Stewart, he wasn't on.

• 2:04:20Speaker 01

  Stewart, yeah.

• 2:04:21Danny Jones?

  Was he on Comedy Central?

• 2:04:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, he had his own Comedy Central show.

• 2:04:25Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:04:25Speaker 01

  Okay, so anyway, he sent a reporter out and, and these, these, the news media, they, the word had gotten out, I was doing Skype exorcisms.

• 2:04:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:35Speaker 01

  This is like, yeah, you know, 10, 12 years ago. And they were like, you can't do this. I said, well, I'm doing it. Well, you can't do that. I mean, you can't cast out, and they interviewed some Catholic priests, they said you can't do it. Now Catholic priests are doing it.

• 2:04:51Speaker 01

  But there's a point here. I don't have, it's better if I'm physically here. It would be better if I could cast your demons out of you right now, but I can do a Zoom with you later. Okay?

• 2:05:01Danny Jones?

  I'd really do it in person.

• 2:05:05Speaker 01

  All you have to do is be face to face with that person to see how they respond to certain things. And I do it all the time, all day long, five, six, seven days a week sometimes.

• 2:05:17Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:05:18Speaker 01

  And the most amazing thing's happening. I mean, it's just astounding. The complete turnaround in these people's, and they're all over the world, 50% of what I do, people are outside of the United States of America. They're in India, they're in Bangkok, I did a major exorcism at a guy in Dubai this week. So.

• 2:05:38Danny Jones?

  The way I learn about stuff on this podcast is I have people come in and explain to me what they've learned, explain to me what they've studied throughout their lives, explain to me what they believe in, in your case, about the Bible and Christianity. And Amen, in the other room, when he came in, you heard the podcast that he did with me. Yeah. I can't get anybody, I can't get a Bible scholar, I can't get a classicist, I can't get any kind of religious person who studies this stuff or has a PhD in this stuff to combat the stuff he talks about, or to combat his theories and dispute what he says. Mm-hmm. Well, so how, how, I can't get an alternative or a reasonable pushback to any of the theories he has, other than people that tell me over the phone, he's wrong, he's completely bullshit,

• 2:06:22Danny Jones?

  he's blasphemous, but no one will actually step into the arena with him and confront what he's saying face to face. So, so someone like me, when that, when that, when that happens to me, what that tells me is, he's gotta be right, because nobody can come up with a reasonable, a reasonable pushback.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  Where did you get that logic?

• 2:06:40Danny Jones?

  Where did you get that? Because nobody can come in here and debate him and, and, and prove to me and let me and the audience make a decision to what is, what is actually real and what's right.

• 2:06:53Speaker 01

  You just constructed a, a logical fallacy.

• 2:06:58Danny Jones?

  You gotta battle ideas with better ideas, right? That's how you learn.

• 2:07:01Speaker 01

  No. So, as far as this particular individual is concerned.

• 2:07:08Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:07:09Speaker 01

  The people who come to me want to forsake, to put behind them the life that they have been living.

• 2:07:19Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:07:20Speaker 01

  They are repentant, which means godly sorrow for the evil they have done.

• 2:07:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I understand.

• 2:07:29Speaker 01

  They want to stop that evil. They want to quit it immediately.

• 2:07:38Speaker 01

  You don't get rid of a demon so that a person stops sinning. They stop sinning so they can get rid of their demon. In fact, the people who have the greatest success are the people who fast before they come to see me, which is a spiritual biblical practice to prepare one's spirit for what they're about to receive. And there's a difference between someone who questions the faith, someone who is unsure

• 2:08:18Speaker 01

  about the faith that they have, and someone who has become an apostate, which means a clear departure from truth. They have once known the truth. Christ speaks of this. Peter speaks of this. Paul speaks of this. There are some who, having known the goodness and the grace of God, deliberately turned against it, and they become an enemy of the faith. There's a difference between an ambivalent person and an enemy of the faith.

• 2:08:54Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:08:56Speaker 01

  When someone is an enemy of the faith, that is not the basis for a reasonable discussion, nor is it definitely the basis for an exorcism.

• 2:09:09Danny Jones?

  But you are an enemy of the devil. So why can't you debate the devil?

• 2:09:17Speaker 01

  I don't debate the devil.

• 2:09:19Danny Jones?

  But you've done many debates.

• 2:09:21Speaker 01

  I have debated the best on national television and open forums. But that's very clear. It's them versus me. They're not apostate. They just don't believe.

• 2:09:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:39Speaker 01

  They have not been at a place of belief.

• 2:09:41Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:09:42Speaker 01

  And deliberately walked away from it for whatever reason.

• 2:09:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:46Speaker 01

  All right. And remember something else. When someone comes to me...

• 2:09:52Speaker 01

  They do an intake.

• 2:09:54Danny Jones?

  The form they fill out.

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  I want to know everything about them, including the deepest, darkest secrets they've never told anyone about what they've done in terms of moral transgressions.

• 2:10:09Danny Jones?

  You know what that sounds like?

• 2:10:11Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:10:13Danny Jones?

  That sounds kind of like what happens in Scientology when they go through the auditing sessions.

• 2:10:17Speaker 01

  I'm not having somebody hold a couple of tin cans called an E-meter. This is not about a galvanic response.

• 2:10:25Danny Jones?

  Do to get blackmail on.

• 2:10:26Speaker 01

  Not. It's about, it's about due diligence to understand where the open doors of the devil are.

• 2:10:33Danny Jones?

  Right, but if someone's telling you their deepest dark, if they're truly, honestly telling you their deepest, darkest secrets, they are submitting their will to you. If they're gonna trust you with that stuff.

• 2:10:44Speaker 01

  Submitting to God.

• 2:10:46Danny Jones?

  They're, they're, right.

• 2:10:47Speaker 01

  I am the instrument of God in human form, bringing them to that place.

• 2:10:53Danny Jones?

  Okay, if you're telling them that, at the same time that they're telling you honestly their deepest, darkest secrets, they are submitting everything, every fiber of their being to your power.

• 2:11:06Speaker 01

  No, it's not about my power. Come on. It's about honesty before God. They're asking me to bring them to a place with Christ where he will set them free.

• 2:11:19Speaker 01

  So if this person, let's just take a simple thing. They are a serial adulterer on their wife. Okay, and they're living that life and seeing prostitutes and

• 2:11:35Speaker 01

  going to strip clubs on a regular basis.

• 2:11:38Danny Jones?

  Some of the best people I know do that stuff.

• 2:11:40Speaker 01

  Well, they're going to hell and they need to be saved and they need an exorcism and you have my phone number.

• 2:11:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:11:52Speaker 01

  I'm serious. So, let me give you an illustration. I had a lady who believed her house was haunted. Alright. And so she, I flew halfway across the United States to go to be there. Took another Christian friend with me, walk in the house. We go through the whole house praying over it. We take the holy oil, we put the oil everywhere, put the sign of the cross everywhere, go through the whole house and then

• 2:12:27Speaker 01

  to cleanse it of the evil spirits. Alright.

• 2:12:32Speaker 01

  And I'm walking out the door. And after all of this, just as I'm literally standing at the door, she says, "You suppose I should have told you that I'm currently having a sexual affair with a pastor?"

• 2:12:51Speaker 01

  I said, "Well, I'm late to catch a plane. I can't do anything about that right now. But yes, you could have evil spirits in your home because of that."

• 2:13:00Speaker 01

  "Oh," I said, "sorry, I'm late for the plane."

• 2:13:07Speaker 01

  See what I'm saying? She, she just, I understand it was such a painful, horrible thing for her. She couldn't bring herself to confess that, to bring that into the open, to break the bondage of Satan on her life. She waited till the last minute to tell me. Well, no wonder she had-

• 2:13:22Danny Jones?

  She was on the fence.

• 2:13:23Speaker 01

  No, no wonder that she had demons in her house. No wonder there were spirits haunted her house. She, she had opened the door to them.

• 2:13:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:13:31Speaker 01

  So, this is the point. If somebody has something that is the open door to the devil and they don't tell me, it's not that they have to bare their soul to me as a human being. They're, they're doing this to God.

• 2:13:45Danny Jones?

  Right. So, so, my, the, the thing that frustrates me the most is you have a guy who grew up in Christianity, studied the Bible his whole life, devout Christian, talking about Amen over here in, in the other room, and- Started reading the ancient Greek literature, the classical literature, the stuff that surrounded the Bible, all the, all the, all the medical stuff, all the legal stuff, all the philosophical stuff, all the comedy, the arts and all this stuff that was happening the same time that the, that the gospels were written, before, after, during the same time. And devotes his life, 30 years of his life to reading the actual original sources

• 2:14:27Danny Jones?

  in Greek. And it pulls him out of Christianity. He almost studied his way out of Christianity and devoting his life to Jesus.

• 2:14:38Speaker 01

  Well, that's what he says.

• 2:14:39Danny Jones?

  So somebody who, who has, is so freaking educated in this stuff, right?

• 2:14:44Speaker 01

  That's his, that's his story.

• 2:14:46Danny Jones?

  Okay, even if it, so let's just say it's a lie, let's just say it's a lie, if he's lying, right? Why can't I get another scholar to come in here and call him out on his lies?

• 2:14:59Speaker 01

  I don't know how hard you've tried to find the appropriate scholars.

• 2:15:02Danny Jones?

  Tried so hard, you would not believe. I've gotten like 18 Harvard scholars turn it down.

• 2:15:08Speaker 01

  Well, okay. I can't speak for them. But I don't think we have a problem of intellectualism here. I don't think this has really anything to do with the veracity of scripture, nor its credence with respect to the original Greek. I don't think that's the issue. Dr. Billy Graham. Most people have a moral reservation. Now that doesn't mean that I'm sitting in judgment. It just means that if I don't know the whole story, it's like a doctor diagnosing

• 2:15:49Speaker 01

  the disease and you don't tell him where it hurts. You don't tell him the problem you're really having. So, any individual who comes to me for help, and I've had it happen many times, and then they, they come back again a second time and they say,

• 2:16:10Speaker 01

  I just didn't want to tell you about this, about this, about this, and it could be anything, but usually it's a moral transgression of pretty serious nature. I'm not pointing fingers, I'm just saying that's often the case. Or a theology, serious theological transgression. You know, they, they experiment with Satanism, or, or some metaphysical cult, or some uh, sorcery practice of some kind, and it opens them up to a demon, and then that demon, of course, is a highly intellectualized demon. Most of the demons are in academia, they're not on the streets.

• 2:16:42Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:16:43Speaker 01

  Yes. Of course, what do you think's destroying this country?

• 2:16:47Danny Jones?

  Academia?

• 2:16:48Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:16:49Danny Jones?

  How so?

• 2:16:50Speaker 01

  Look, look at the kids that are coming out of that. Look at their thinking about the country, about the society, about the culture that we live in.

• 2:16:57Danny Jones?

  Their political ideologies?

• 2:16:58Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 2:16:59Danny Jones?

  Their political ideologies, you mean?

• 2:17:00Speaker 01

  Well, their political ideologies, but they're also what the Bible calls doctrines of devils. Okay? Which means, the people who walk out of academia and they say, "Let's blow up the country, let's destroy it. It's worthless, it's hopeless."

• 2:17:16Speaker 01

  And there are young academics who are saying that today. You well know that.

• 2:17:20Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 2:17:21Speaker 01

  But that's just as demonic as anything, but more to the point. The point is-

• 2:17:25Danny Jones?

  So do you think there's a distinction between um, good and evil when it comes to uh, political parties? Like if they're left leaning or right leaning?

• 2:17:34Speaker 01

  No, it has to do with-

• 2:17:36Danny Jones?

  Uh, do you, is there a-

• 2:17:37Speaker 01

  It has to do with the moral quantification of the belief system, but the belief system says, "I want to burn it down, I want to destroy it." That conflicts with what the Bible says about proper order in government. But that's another whole discussion.

• 2:17:50Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:17:51Speaker 01

  The point is, the individual who wants to be delivered from the demon has to repent, renounce, and break the curses of all the things they have done to open themselves up to demons, which have created the intellectual delusion.

• 2:18:13Speaker 01

  That has them see things in a very different light than truth. Jesus died on the cross. He rose again from the dead. That's the teaching historically of the church. That is the teaching of the Bible. Is that the same person who could possibly be impugned? From being a child? What kind of intellectual honesty is that? And what basis for dialogue is there grounded on that premise? None.

• 2:18:58Speaker 01

  Now, that doesn't mean that I want to cast the first stone, or does that mean that I want to not be friendly even to enemies of the faith? My goodness, I've sat down with, as you know, with Satanists. With Zelena Lavey, back in the day, when she was trying to get out of the Church of Satan.

• 2:19:20Danny Jones?

  That is daughter?

• 2:19:21Speaker 01

  I've, I've, I've sat down with neo-Nazis, people who were accomplices to murder. I've, I've, I've sat down with dozens of Satanists and debated them and gone head to ho- because they're an enemy of faith. They know they're the enemy of the faith. There is no pretense about this. There's no intellectual argumentation whatsoever. We hate God, that's it. Okay, I'll talk with him. Because they're not departing from the faith. They ain't got it. They don't want it.

• 2:19:50Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:19:51Speaker 01

  That's the difference. Well, I'm not sure why that's a block, but, but that does create a different dynamic. The paradigms are not the same. Now, whether that individual or anybody in that position comes to me and says...

• 2:20:09Speaker 01

  I want to return to my faith. I want to come back to Christ.

• 2:20:18Speaker 01

  I want to put my trust in his death on the cross, the shedding of his blood and his resurrection from the dead, and I'm willing with sorrowful repentance to make that fact known to you and to all, and apologize for what I have done to defend the Son of God.

• 2:20:41Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:20:42Speaker 01

  And as the scripture says, to re-crucify him. Hey, now we're getting somewhere. Now let's talk. Now let's do an exorcism.

• 2:20:50Danny Jones?

  Understood.

• 2:20:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:20:52Danny Jones?

  Bob, thank you. This has been a pleasure. I really enjoyed this conversation, man. This has been fun.

• 2:20:57Speaker 01

  This has, this has been fun for me too. It's been rather interesting.

• 2:21:00Danny Jones?

  I really appreciate you taking the time to travel down here. Um, how can someone get themselves to even possess?

• 2:21:05Speaker 01

  You know, I think you would be a great exorcist someday.

• 2:21:08Danny Jones?

  I would love to.

• 2:21:09Speaker 01

  You would be great. You've got the heart for it.

• 2:21:12Danny Jones?

  You think?

• 2:21:12Speaker 01

  You just, you just.

• 2:21:14Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:21:15Speaker 01

  You do. You do. You know what? I believe every meeting I have is ordained by God when it's something like this. I'm here for a reason. I don't know what it is. You know, Paul started out killing Christians.

• 2:21:31Danny Jones?

  Did he really?

• 2:21:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:34Danny Jones?

  And what changed him?

• 2:21:35Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 2:21:36Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:21:38Speaker 01

  Jesus had to knock him off his feet and appear to him. Could happen.

• 2:21:44Danny Jones?

  How do I, how do I give in to Jesus and how do I become born again?

• 2:21:50Speaker 01

  By recognizing you're a sinner and you need God, and that you can't handle everything that comes this.

• 2:21:58Danny Jones?

  I'm interested. I want to learn more about this.

• 2:21:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:00Danny Jones?

  I'm open to it.

• 2:22:03Danny Jones?

  But I have to take a leak real quick.

• 2:22:06Speaker 01

  See, I was gonna lead you in what's called a sinner's prayer and your bladder.

• 2:22:11Danny Jones?

  We're gonna do that. We're gonna do that. Pause. I'm gonna use the restroom and we're gonna continue the sinner's prayer. We'll bring it on in here.

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