Fat Joe: How To Be Successful After Hitting Rock Bottom & Stop Letting Failures Define You

What was your biggest challenge after hitting rock bottom? How did you manage to overcome your failures? Today, let's welcome the one and only Fat Joe, a renowned American rapper and music industry executive. He began his music career in the early 1990s and quickly gained recognition with his debut album "Represent" in 1993, featuring the hit single "Flow Joe." Fat Joe has played a crucial role in promoting other artists, notably Big Pun, who achieved significant success before his untimely death. His journey from the streets of the Bronx to international stardom is a testament to his talent, perseverance, and enduring impact on the world of hip hop. Fat Joe provides an honest look at the gritty realities of his early life, including hustling for money and living through dangerous encounters. He shares how the aggressive nature of hip hop initially required him to hide his true, more personable self behind a tough exterior. However, he credits the genre for saving his life and offering a legitimate path out of the streets. The conversation takes a turn as Fat Joe talks about the devastating losses he endured, including the deaths of his sister, Big Pun, and his grandfather, all within a short span. These tragedies plunged him into a deep depression, from which he emerged with the help of therapy, highlighting the importance of mental health and seeking help. Despite facing financial mismanagement and betrayals, Fat Joe maintains his integrity and commitment to his values. In this interview, you'll learn: How to balance career and family How turn negative experiences into positives How to build a resilient mindset How to give back to your community How to stay true to yourself Fat Joe's story is a source of inspiration, demonstrating that with determination and support, it is possible to overcome adversity and achieve lasting success and happiness. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty Special thanks to Soho Home at Soho Works 55 Water where the taping took place. What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 02:04 Earliest Childhood Memory 03:52 Bullying 07:53 Developing resilience 08:37 Life and Death Choices 09:51 Thug Life 12:42 Ambition to Succeed 16:43 Figure It Out 22:03 Family Tree 27:43 Losing Family Over Addiction 31:57 Loss and Grief 39:21 Sister Love 41:13 Big Pun 46:56 Financial Literacy 50:19 Take Care of Your Parents 52:13 Money and Trust 56:25 Stick Around 57:44 Kids with Special Needs 01:02:30 Channeling Energy Through Music 01:04:30 Interview Gone VIral 01:08:30 Doing Good in Silence 01:11:05 The HipHop Culture 01:13:30 Spiritual and Healing Journey 01:16:34 Hair Care 01:19:47 Weight Loss 01:25:02 Joe on Final Five Episode Resources: Fat Joe | Instagram Fat Joe | TikTok See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:43Speaker 02

  I got shot at maybe 30, 40 times in my life. I might be scared of a gun. I might be scared of a bazooka, but men, I've never been afraid of men. I'm afraid to fly. So you know, every day I fly, I'm like.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  We got a special guest in the building. The icon living. Fat Joe. We had to see where we were going to put the money at. My other brother turned around and told my brother, why are we even talking in front of Joey? He's a half brother and that devastated me.

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• 3:57Jay Shetty?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier and more healed. Today's guest is someone I've been listening to since I was a kid. Very, very grateful to have on the show, the one, the only, someone who needs no introduction, Fat Joe. Joe, welcome to On Purpose. I'm grateful that you're here.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  Long time coming, huh?

• 4:16Jay Shetty?

  I know, this has been a long time coming. We did a short get together connection during the pandemic.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Somehow I feel like we always knew we was gonna do this sooner or later. But it's an honor to be here.

• 4:27Jay Shetty?

  No, I'm very grateful to have you here. Honestly, I grew up listening to you. I was listening to you this morning, getting ready for the show, just to prepare my mindset. And you know.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  But that's a different Fat Joe than Fat Joe 2024. Sometimes I listen to my music, I'm like, yo, I can't even believe I was saying like it was.

• 4:45Jay Shetty?

  Really?

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a different time.

• 4:47Jay Shetty?

  What's your earliest childhood memory that has defined who you are today?

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Wow, just always being charismatic, always being, you know, from the class clown to people always loved me. I always told great stories. And so when you growing up in hip hop, you know, we used to always have this like mean bravado, nobody talked to nobody, everybody, right? And so recently I started telling stories in the last couple of years and everybody's like, yo, why is a great storyteller? But I always was this person. But unfortunately, hip hop will have you put on this facade to where you can't even show people your true personality.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  So I think that's what I, that's what I think coincides is just, I've always been this person since I was a kid and the world's just getting, is getting revealed to the world.

• 5:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Why do you think that is? Why did, why did you have to hide yourself? What was the reason for the mask?

• 5:54Speaker 02

  Well, just hip hop was just really tough, man. When I grew up, it was, you know, we lost Biggie, we lost Pop, we, you know.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  You were punk if you had security, like you, you know, they wanted to see you go through it. Unfortunately, there was a big stigma in hip hop. Like if you didn't live it, then we didn't, we didn't respect you. And so you had to live this thing out and the last thing you want to show people is that you're a cool, funny dude that gets along with everybody, actually loves everybody. So you, you had to keep that tucked away just for your.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Your family and your friends. But even when you were younger, you were bullied, right? You went through bullying and then I believe there were even some. Then I became a bully. So it's it's like you become a product of the product. And so, you know, when I was young, I was getting bullied because, you know, I've never been a punk. I've never been, you know, so twenty guys confronted me, I fight all twenty of them, they beat, they'll beat the crap out of me, but I always was that. What were they bullying you for at that time? Man, it was it was just too much. Like, so I grew up in a ninety percent black neighborhood. So the way to explain this to you is, uh, uh, the only thing not black about me is my skin color. So my family were there forty years before me.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  So when they brought me home, it was like that was Joey. And so I grew up in that neighborhood my whole life and so, you know, that's how I grew up. And then I went to my grandmother's neighborhood, just like ninety-nine percent black. But they'd never seen a Latino like that, looking like the Beatles with blonde hair and green eyes and acting like, and saying, you know, just coming like, that was a problem. Like, they had a real problem with that over there. They were like, yo, we're not going for that over here. But I am who I am, so I've always been me, I've always been true to who I am. So I had a lot of problems, you know. Uh, and so, you know, bullies, you know, when one gets away with it, you know,

• 7:58Speaker 02

  uh, then another guy tries, it's not necessarily that they're tough. It's just to say, oh, they beat him up, oh, we could beat him up. And then, you know, you're just a guy they beat up. And I kept telling them I'm not a punk. I kept telling them. Every time they beat me up, I was like, yo, I'm not a punk, I'm letting y'all know. Y'all just got the numbers right now, you know. And so I used to get beat up for a lot of things. I used to lie a lot when I was a kid. So I would say stuff like, yo, I was with that girl. Her brother would come with five guys and be like, oh, you with my sister? Beat me up. So I remember I had a time, I had to look in the mirror when I was teenagers, just be like, yo, you lie a lot.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Oh, you gotta stop. Like, you gotta, you gotta keep it real, cause you getting beat up cause of this. So, you know, life, journey. It's a journey. This, this the journey. Everything leads to the next chapter in life.

• 8:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's, it's amazing wherever you grow up, just how much bullying is the norm for kids. Like, even where I grew up, I was bullied for the color of my skin because there weren't that many Indian people in the area that I grew up in. And I was bullied for my weight because I was overweight growing up. So I was bullied for that. It's amazing how like, kids find a way to make other kids' life hell, even though we hope that kids-

• 9:16Speaker 02

  You know what's crazy is not criticizing the youth of today, but uh, when I see stuff like bullying and they, you know, kids kill themselves. And uh, because they're getting body shamed or whatever, I just don't understand. Like, do you know what levels of bullying I've been through? And I never once thought of killing myself. I never once, you know, I just knew it was something we had to work our way through. Um, and so uh, you know, I don't think there's never a time where you kill yourself. You know, I don't think there's never a time where you just say, yo, I wanna kill myself. I don't know how that comes about.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  And so, you know, with bullying, it was, you know, we've been getting bullied in the house, you know, from my father, from my family, from, you know. We've been dealing with a lot of uh, pressure and trauma and, you know, you know, your father comes home, he lost all his money gambling, drinking. He's gonna treat you like shit that day, you know what I'm saying? So, but we don't know that. And so we had to work through all that. We had to learn all that. So now when I see uh, my kids or other people's kids complaining about something. You know, I got beat up by twenty guys every single day for two years straight. So, you know, and I never once went home and told my mother, I can't do it. You know, so I don't, I don't relate-

• 10:36Jay Shetty?

  Why do you think that is? Why do you think that you had that? Tough skin, that resilience.

• 10:41Speaker 02

  No, it was hard. Oh, it was hard, but you, but you know, it was something you had to deal with. You know, you had to go to school the next day. You had to go outside the next day. You had to, like, this is where you at. You're in this environment, you're either gonna be predator or prey. And so, you know, I was always the loving, nice person I am, and then, you know, my, my skin got thick. Then I was like, alright, I'm gonna be the, the tough guy. I'm gonna be the bully. I'm gonna show them I'm not gonna care. And then things changed, and thankfully hip-hop came and saved my life.

• 11:20Jay Shetty?

  You said you had, in those early days, made some life and death choices.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  No, I got shot at maybe thirty, forty times in my life. And I know somebody like you, or some, some of my friends, they can't even understand that.

• 11:32Jay Shetty?

  No, for sure.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  And so, you know, I tell people these stories now, and now they think I'm just lying. I just make it up. But the truth is the truth. And so, you could imagine, I was one of the toughest kids in the neighborhood.

• 11:45Speaker 02

  I was always into something, and I was very aggressive at getting money. You know, I'm very aggressive at getting money. I was in six states this week alone. So I'm like, you know, I've been like that since I was a kid. So, you know, once, in any neighborhood, you know, if you hear about dangerous places, it always has to do with money. Or with drugs, or with, you know. And so, that's where you say, you say, yo, that place is so safe, yeah, but you know, they killing people. Why? The drug game, to this, to that. So I've always was aggressive. You know, and once you show people you want money, and you want, you want bigger things, and you're willing to do whatever for it,

• 12:31Speaker 02

  it becomes more dangerous, you know.

• 12:34Jay Shetty?

  What were you doing for money at that time?

• 12:36Speaker 02

  Well, I was hustling. You know, I was, really, I was a.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  No different than the movies you see, like I was a guy they would hire to go beat people up. Like that's how I started in the game. And so it'd be like, yo Joe, you know.

• 12:50Jay Shetty?

  And how did they recruit you for something? Like genuinely walk me through that.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  They know that these guys are bad guys and you could pick them up. So you're a drug kingpin, you're not necessarily tough like that. But you know Fat Joey and them, they get busy no matter what. And so, you know, you come and you say, yo Fat Joey, I got three pairs sneakers for you. You know, a jacket, you know, I need you to go beat my competition up. So I would just jump out of van and, and you know, and just, you know, apply the pressure.

• 13:20Jay Shetty?

  Were you ever scared?

• 13:21Speaker 02

  No. That's one thing God never made me was scared of men. Right? I might be scared of a gun, I might be scared of a bazooka. But men, I've never been afraid of men. You know, physically, whether it was one, 20, 30, 40, I've just never been afraid of men. You know, of, of, of violence, of physical, you know. Yet and still I ain't get grabbed by the cartel or some shit like that, you know, that's it. But I've never been afraid of men, you know what I'm saying? I'm afraid of fly. So, you know, every day I fly, I'm like, I'm the biggest, I'm grabbing the old lady next to me, you know. I'm the guy, I take all three air conditions when, when, when I'm flying, I, I grab all the three.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  And I got it on me and I'm breathing, I'm doing breathing exercises, you know, I'm terrified of flying.

• 14:10Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 14:10Speaker 02

  And I fly all the time and I just tell God, I said, God, thank you for letting me face my fear. You know what I mean? Because I'm able to, you know, I don't think if I flew, I would be, uh, as successful as I am, so. And I, and I love going places, I love, I would love to go to India, Africa, this, this, that. It just don't like the journey, the plane flight. Once I'm there, I'm like, no, this is it.

• 14:38Jay Shetty?

  After all these years.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Still.

• 14:40Jay Shetty?

  Still, yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Every day, every, every, I fly maybe every other day.

• 14:46Speaker 02

  And it could be the best. I remember one time I get on a flight with Khalid. And Khalid got this plane, like, you know Khalid does everything another level, you know? So his private plane, it was white, everything, the ceiling, the floors, the couches, the, the, the ladies, the flight attendants, they were so polite. It was, it was the best flight you could ever take. We went up, we felt a little, I was like, it could have been, it could have been American Airlines. It could have been any other plane. I was like, all the white, all the fancy food, everything went out the window. I was like terrified. And so it's something I can't get over.

• 15:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, with, with, going back to that time that you're, they're giving you a jacket, they're giving you three pairs of sneakers and go and take care of this. How long does that continue for?

• 15:33Speaker 02

  Man, that continues, cause I, I was, uh, we were really tough. I won't say just me, but we were really tough. And, um, but I, I, like I said, I, you know, when I grew up in the Bronx, it looked like bombs exploded in the Bronx. It looked like Ukraine, no exaggeration, look it up. Seventies, eighties in the Bronx. And so, but I always had, uh, ambition to be successful, to have more. And I remember talking to a friend of mine, his name was Louis. We was like 12 years old and I'm looking at that rubble. And I'm saying, yo, I'm not, this ain't for me. I gotta get money. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta get me a Mercedes Benz.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  I gotta get me a, and he's like, what are you talking about? We'd been so poor generational that he couldn't even fathom. You know, nobody in my family was rich like that or nothing like that. So he was like, what are you talking about? We straight, this, I was like, nah, I gotta get it, you know? And, um, and so it was almost like a movie that, you know, you got these guys that, you know, you just come pick up when it's time. And so I would go and, and, you know, for me, it was by any means necessary to get money. And so I would do whatever, but also knowing I want to be the kingpin, not the guy they come get to beat people up. And so one thing led to another and, um,

• 17:00Speaker 02

  And you know, we became big boys in the street, you know, before rap. So hip hop saved my life, you know. Changed my whole life like a Cinderella movie. Like it was like, the minute I got my record deal, I never hustled again. I never dealt with crime. I never went back there. It was like a Cinderella Robin Hood. The minute I got my deal, I was like, yo, I don't want nothing to do with this. I walked away from it, started rapping, telling my story through music. And uh, and here we are, you know, I just knew, uh, when I got into hip hop and I got into the rap game, I said, alright, this is it. This is this, this is the way out.

• 17:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  And you know, no different than any other business, you know, at one time, I had the number one record, Flojo, in nineteen ninety-three, it was the, it was the number one record in the country. I was getting five hundred dollars a show. So I was doing three shows a night. Do you know, I, I, you know, that wasn't no money, you know what I'm saying? But I had to do what I had to do to get my money. And so, uh, you know, so that wasn't even easy. So you, now you in the game and you step in and it's almost like half the battle. And I was like, yo, how do we find the money in this business?

• 18:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 18:16Speaker 02

  Cause at that time, it was no money in the business.

• 18:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, that's, I mean, yeah, that's crazy to think that in, what, thirty years, it's changed so much financially?

• 18:26Speaker 02

  I think, I don't wanna say for a fact, but I, I think, uh, LL Cool J was headlining arenas for like ten thousand a show.

• 18:35Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  And this is arenas, this was like Madison Square Garden and all that. So it was like, um, you know, it was, it was, the money wasn't there. So you know, back in the days, the only way to, uh, explain it to you, back in the days, Magic Johnson was the first player to get a million dollars a year. He made the cover of Times Magazine, he was in every ma, it was the biggest talk. Now you got the fifteenth guy on the bench making two hundred forty million. The disparity is crazy. You see a rapper now, or reggaeton artists or one of them now, put out one hit and they're making forty thousand, uh, four hundred thousand a show for one song? And you're like, yo, this is crazy.

• 19:16Speaker 02

  I done tore, forget a chitlin' circuit, I done went around the whole moon for five hundred dollars.

• 19:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  You know, uh, so you know, it's a different time.

• 19:28Jay Shetty?

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• 20:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, going back to your movie analogy, I feel like in the movie, the streets always try and come back for the person who tried to move away. So when someone goes, I'm done with this business now, I'm gonna go.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  It's like a shadow.

• 20:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  And so with my life, it was like that too. And I, and I, and I made a lot of mistakes. You know, I'm more successful now than ever, but that's because I'm much more mature. And so, you know, growing up in the ghetto, you have survivor's guilt. And so me, my community, you know, took care of me. The only reason why I'm still here is because of them. So I had a very big obligation to try to bring everybody with me. You know, I got rich, young, and I would have 50 guys with me every time. I would literally come to your interview right now with 50 guys, 50 trucks, 50 cars. That means 50 steaks, 50 champagne bottles, 50 hotel rooms, 50 plane tickets, this, you

• 21:06Speaker 02

  know, every day.

• 21:07Jay Shetty?

  How do you afford that?

• 21:09Speaker 02

  You don't. And so what happens is, you know, when you, when you're young, if you look at the cartoons, they're telling kids, a million dollars. That's almost like you could capture a cloud, right? Like, like a million dollars is like, you could take a cloud and put it in a bottle, a million dollars. And then when you get a million dollars, you think it's like, this can't run out. But it runs out. And so for me, I remember going broke about three times in my life, like literally broke. Being like a number one rapper, number one hit, everybody's what's up? But I'm like, and I'm just doing foolish things and I'm just trying to take the whole neighborhood with me.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  And I remember that one time, I tell this famous story, but I'll tell it to your audience. I remember one time I couldn't sleep. And now I know when I can't sleep, God has given me a message. So that's, that's a fact, like that, that, that when I, I could sleep all the time, right? But when I can't sleep, there's something that I gotta figure out, dissect or whatever. God is telling me, yo, hold up, figure this out. You know, because us, you know, we in the public light, we gotta watch what we say, we gotta do. You know, this is a very, you know, I don't get high. I don't use, I don't, everybody, I encourage you to smoke weed if you want cannabis, you could drink whatever. I don't.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  And in my life, with everything that's been thrown at me, it's almost like the matrix. If I got high, I'd have been out of here a long time ago.

• 22:43Jay Shetty?

  You never did it?

• 22:44Speaker 02

  No.

• 22:45Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  So the way this thing comes to me is like, you know, it throws so much things at you. Like whether it's family, whether it's business, whether it's this, whether it's that. It's just to be successful in 2024 is like the, the matrix. You know, you doing this, it's, it's like, who dodged that one? What about this one? What about that? Imagine I'm high, I'm over here like this, doped up, I'm done, right? And so that was back in the early days. The reason why I never got high was because I had so much violence and beef with other guys that, you know, I, I just, I knew they were gonna kill me or something. Like if I was standing on the corner, high, smoked out or something, I was done.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  And the thing is, nobody has a PhD or a masters in hip hop music.

• 23:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  It's actually who's crew is toughest. So every rapper you meet. They'll come out and be like, yo, hi. Let's just say, I'm fabulous. Yo, this is my man, just came on for 20 years. He did three murders. This, this, the, oh, how you doing? Yo, this is Jadakiss. Yo, what's up Jadakiss? Yo, this is my man Johnny the Button. Just came on for 25 years for killing five people. This, that, I mean, that's what it is. And so, I don't care. We do it with Drake. We could do it with all of them, right? And so, you don't need a PhD or masters to get in hip-hop. So, I'm leaving the streets.

• 24:15Speaker 02

  Trying to come in here to change my life. And then when I come in here to change my life, I realize the streets come back, the shadows, you know? And then everybody wanna know, are you really tough? Are you really that guy? Fat Joe, that you talk loud? You just like, prove to us that you really get busy. And so, the streets is always with you. You know, now it's more like, you know? Now we totally, you know? Talk to my security, argue with my security. He's an ex-cop, deal with him. Oh, this, this, I don't even, I don't even, the, the, the, stuff doesn't even bother me no more.

• 24:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 24:54Speaker 02

  So, you gotta get to that place. Spiritually, you gotta get to that place where you feel like you know what your job is in life, you know what you're trying to do? You wanna live righteous, you wanna help the people, you wanna help your family? But all that outside noise doesn't even bother me no more. You know, I've had some of my friends that I have for years go on Youtubes and blogs and talk bad about me and this and this. I'd be like, oh, him too? Like, it's, like, it just, it just rubs off me now. It's not, doesn't even affect me.

• 25:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. When you were younger, one of the things that did affect you, I believe, was your half-brother, you realizing that you weren't biologically family.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  No, it wasn't my problem. It was like, we grew up together. So, I have two brothers and a, and a, and a sister. And I grew up, my father came from Cuba.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  My father got with my mom's after she had a husband and had three kids. So I'm the last kid, but he raised my brothers and sisters. And we were raised as brothers and sisters to this day, brother, not half. We never heard the word half. We had a brother, so me and my brother, we were, you know, partners in the streets. Right, so, you know, me and my brother Angel. And then my other brother Raymond was supposed to be a lawyer or whatever the case. Maybe he was going to school for that. And then when we was hustling, we had a choice to make, right? And so the choice to make was that we had made all this money. We still lived in the projects.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  We had tons of money in the closet, right? In affordable housing projects. So we had to see where we were gonna put the money at. We wasn't that smart. We wasn't sophisticated. We didn't know about buying businesses. We didn't have accountants. We didn't have nothing. The most we had was cars and jewelry. And so my one brother said, yo, leave the money with me. And I said, and I ain't think nothing of him. He's my brother. I told my brother Angel, I said, why don't we leave half the money with him? And you go to Orlando to my aunt, who's like 90 years old. She wouldn't even know. She had millions of dollars in her attic, right? And I said, split it up. You don't want all your eggs.

• 27:18Speaker 02

  Not saying that this. And so my brother, my other brother turned around and told my brother, why are we even talking in front of Joey? He's a half brother. And that devastated me. That's the tears just came. I never heard that before. So my brother Angel argued with him and was like, you crazy? Joey's my brother. You know, the irony to that story is that day was Thanksgiving. Uh, the whole family, you know, we never had much or whatever, but what we always had was love and family to this day. So I got in the car, I had a Mustang 5.0 at that time. I went to, uh, it's in the book, uh, Jose, I went to a place in, in the Bronx called City Island, to where there's one way in, one way out.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  And so I was just driving like a hundred miles per hour and, and I was, I just felt like I was gonna run into a wall or something. And then at the last minute, you know, I spun out. I was actually thinking of killing myself. I spun out, you know, I said, that, then I went and ate me a nice steak. You ever ate at the Seville, Rich? There was a, oh my God, they had the best steaks with the best onions. Nah, I had the best meal that night, right? Uh, old school joint, man. And, and, and so, uh, eventually, I wrote it in the book, but didn't really actually say it, that, uh, my brother, the feds came and locked everybody up, like forty of us, not

• 28:42Speaker 02

  me, I was rapping already, thank God, rap saved my life. But when they did that, my brother was on the run and he was calling my other brother, yo, send me money. He was in like, uh, Dominican Republic and my brother wouldn't respond. So my brother flies back and the brother who called me to have brother spent the millions of dollars, we didn't know. So he came, he said, yo, what's up? I'm on the run, I need the money. And he's like, yo, I spent the money. We like, you spent the money, millions of dollars? Like, you spent the money? And it wasn't like lavish, you ain't see no Lamborghini out there or nothing like, it's like, how you spent the money? And, and so, the concept of us growing up was always if my brother had it, I had it.

• 29:25Speaker 02

  So my brother was the boss, I made some dollars, but he made the real money. But I knew if my brother had it. I had it. It's the same concept we have with Terror Squad today. If Joe got it, you got it. You can't take advantage of it, but he'll help you at any given time, you know. If I got it, you got it. And so my brother stole the money. I never talked to him for uh 25, 30 years. I never talked to him again because my brother, not only did he steal the money, my other brother, Angel, started using drugs. Because he went from being rich to being broke. And I used to tell him all the time, you're Ainge, I'm rapping, I'm gonna take care of us, don't worry, I got us.

• 30:08Speaker 02

  But he just fell in deep depression and started using drugs and using drugs. And you know, to this day, my brother, uh, he'll be looking around the room and he'll be like, I used to have money. I used to have it. You know, these people kill themselves in Wall Street. They jump off the roof, they jump off of bridges, they hang themselves. When they lose all their money, when you used to that type of money, millions of dollars. You know, and some of your own brother, your own blood steals that from you. Um, so he had a lot to deal with and I kept putting him in drug programs. I kept begging him like, June, come on, I'm good. Like, come on, I'm, you know, we're gonna be good. But he couldn't get over that, even to this day. But he's not using drugs no more, thank God. But uh, you know, if I had him.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  You know, mind, sound, you know, he's smarter than me. So if I had him with me through my whole career, through my whole. You know, we'd have been better off than we are now, you know, because he was really the leader. He was really the smart one. And so, but he couldn't snap himself out of that.

• 31:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. How, how hard is that, watching someone you love, someone that you trust, someone that you know. Could have been this and had this potential and then not seeing them be there with you through it all. How does, how do you deal with that?

• 31:21Speaker 02

  Well, you know, my best friend on earth is in jail. He's doing 48 years. And he's been in jail for 33 years. And I often think about like, tonight I'm going to a Knicks game. I know for a fact they're gonna put me on TV. God bless. I'm on court side, sitting next to Spike Lee, high fiving Spike Lee. My brother got to see that in jail. And the feds, but how do you think he feels? That he's in jail, my best friend, and he knows that if he comes out, Fat Joe got him. He's right here with Jay Shetty. He's driving the best car, he's living the best life. That's, that's, that's what you call suffering. When you can't do nothing for it. And the same thing with my brother, you know, but, you know, my brother had a chance.

• 32:02Speaker 02

  You know, and so what I can tell you is that, uh, drugs is a, a illness. It's highly addictive. Uh, that's why I never tried it, cause I might like it. And so that's why I've always stayed away from drugs. I looked at my brother and said, damn, man, he's smarter than me. Uh, he could have been way more than me and, and, you know, he couldn't shake the drugs. I don't even wanna try that. You know, I had, I'll tell you a story for your audience. I had a girl I used to chase for maybe ten years. I used to chase this girl. Hey, what's up? Yo, yo, beautiful girl, right? And one day she said, tonight's your night. And I said, oh, wow, really? I'm gonna get it? Like, you know, yeah, I've been after you.

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, but you know, Joe, I know you don't use drugs. But tonight, to make it special, we're gonna take these pills together. And I said, huh? She was like, we're gonna take these pills? I said, I'm not taking them pills. She was like, no, but this is gonna be amazing. This is, you don't understand sex with these pills? I said, and I was after this girl. And I was like, you ain't getting me to take the pills. And so nothing happened.

• 33:12Jay Shetty?

  So you walked out?

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Nothing happened, brother.

• 33:14Jay Shetty?

  God, she must have felt that rejection.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  I don't care about rejection, it's just, I know, you know, too many stories, you know, uh, good friend of mine, not to put his business out there, but he talks about it. Scott Storch, one of the most talented people in the world. Like, I owe him a lot of my career to Scott Storch. But he tried it one time. And that was it.

• 33:37Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  He tried, he was with two girls, real famous girls. If you know the real story, you know, the best, the best movie ever made that hasn't been made is the Scott Storch story. If he lays the goods out is. You know, we need Leonardo DiCaprio to play him. Like, there's gonna be one, but you know, he had two famous girls and they were like, "Yo, you wanna be with us, you gotta sniff this cocaine off of," you know, and he did it. He said, he literally told me, the minute he sniffed it, he was like, "Euphoria." Like, this is the game, you know, this whole life up messing with that. Now he's doing better, but, uh, you know, he ran through like ninety million dollars getting high, you know?

• 34:20Jay Shetty?

  Wow, yeah, cuz he was the guy then, I remember. He was producing for everyone.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  He had like eighty-five percent of number one songs of one year.

• 34:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 34:27Speaker 02

  Beyonce, Fat Joe, Fifty Cent, this, this, he was Sean Paul, this, everything was him.

• 34:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I remember.

• 34:34Speaker 02

  And so, uh, you know, he took a hard fall, you know? I love Scott, man, I wouldn't be where I'm at if it wasn't for him.

• 34:42Jay Shetty?

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• 36:52Jay Shetty?

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• 37:12Speaker 02

  Scott.

• 37:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, it's and and and that's the hard part, right?

• 37:15Speaker 02

  I tried with him. I tried to get him on drugs. Oh, yeah. I'm, you know, in many places, I'm considered the fun killer. You know, because I would come and they can't get high. Scott Storch. I'll tell you, he used to sniff kilos of cocaine, but around me, he never sniffed coke in his life. He had that level of respect. So I would go to his, I would go there every day and just sit there like a thorn on the side, you know, for months. And just be like, you know, making sure he don't get high. They said the minute I walked out the door, they were like, bring it out. They hated me in the place, but you know, I tried, you know?

• 37:52Jay Shetty?

  Wow, I mean, we're talking about losing people while they're still alive. And that is a real loss. And then you've lost people who have actually lost their life, who are no longer here. You've lost three, I mean, I'm sure you've lost more than this, but three very significant people in your life. Can you tell us what was significant about the loss of each? Because I feel like they're different types of losses, but they're all in the same year.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  First of all, same like week.

• 38:21Jay Shetty?

  Same week? Oh, those months. I didn't know that.

• 38:23Speaker 02

  Like.

• 38:24Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Two, three weeks apart, everything.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  I'll start with my sister. My sister was like my best friend. She was supposed to be the one to be there for me, you know.

• 38:38Speaker 02

  We love our wives and we want them to always be there, but one person I do know, you know, OJ Simpson died, you know, recently, and they said the only people who used to go see him every day was his sisters. You know, that's, you know, when the whole world turns off the lights on you, your sisters will be there for you. Yeah, I can relate to that. So I lost my sis- I lost my sister, she was giving childbirth. And so they gave her epidural instead of numbing up on the waist down and numbed up from the waist up. Lack of oxygen to the brain, so she was in a coma for eight months. And that was killing me to see my mother and father every day there, and we was there, and uh that's horrible. I wish nobody gets to see someone they love like that.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  And, and when I got the call, she died, it was almost a relief. And I don't want to say I'm happy my sister died because that's not true. But she was suffering too much. And so my sister passes away, right, so that's the number one. Right, I used to think this guy was the number one. Uh, cause I love him so much, but really, over the years, really analyzing it, my sister really knocked me out the box, right, just to not have her in this world. Then one of my best friends, you know, my artist, one, you know, one of the most loyal guys, his big pun, you know, we made history together. And uh, together, you know, being Latino in this music business, you know, that we, we stood for so much, you know, and

• 40:07Speaker 02

  even though I was on before him and I was on my way to success, I took the back road for him because I knew he was so much more talented. And I knew we needed a guy like that. Years later now, thirty, twenty years later, we still hear his music and feel that pride. I knew that at the time. And so he passed away young, around the same time as my sister, maybe a week, two weeks apart. Now I'm young, I'm twenty-seven, twenty-eight, acting like I know about the world, but I'm still really, really young. And so, you know, how scared it is to Lose a best friend, franchise player. You know, here you went from being this broke kid, living in this, uh, danger zone into, you know, being successful, being rich.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  And now, uh, the guy you did it with is dead at twenty-seven, twenty-eight years old. And then my grandfather, you know, and I, analyzing my family tree, I'm more like my grandfather than anybody. Oh, wow. You know, I used to call him Cowboy. He had a lot of respect in the hood. So my grandfather died. So all that together, just, it was like a perfect storm. Hmm. You know, and I never dealt with so much death like that. And so, uh, you know, I was really in a dark place. I'm not talking about a regular dark place, you know, sleeping in the bathtub with no water running. Uh, if I looked outside and it was sunny, it looked dark. Um, you know, if someone shoots you, I tell people all the time,

• 41:35Speaker 02

  you're in a gang. Say you're in a gang in Chicago and they trying to kill you. You do know you can move to Alabama and no one would know you. You, you could move to LA, you could move to New York, you could move anywhere and they won't know you. The problem with depression is it comes with you wherever you go. Hmm. So at the time, I'm in depression. I'm going to Miami, I'm going to islands, I'm going to try to erase it, but I can't. It's with me everywhere I go. And now, you know, when people say, let them mourn, that means like, give them time, let them get their things together, their bearings together.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  But when your best friend, who just died, is the biggest rap star in the world, people think they're doing a good thing, a good deed. So they bring you your fool, yo, sorry about your brother, Big Pun, man, yo, that was my man. Once again, it's back. Yeah. And then I'm in a, I'm in a car waiting at the light, the next up, yo, Pun. He's the man. They start blasting. So it was so hard.

• 42:44Speaker 02

  Right, and I considered myself to be a bright person. And so, the only way to put it is like the mind is like a super complex Rubik's Cube. And you just gotta, and so I never thought of, I'm gonna kill myself or this. I just was like, Joe, you gotta get out of this. You gotta get out of this. It's like a funk. And you wake up and it's a new day, instead of just saying, it's a new day. You know, you go back to, oh, you know this, and then it's, it's. So, I went to therapy.

• 43:14Jay Shetty?

  Is that the first time you started going to therapy, was that?

• 43:16Speaker 02

  That's the only time I went to therapy, but I went to therapy for like two years. I didn't tell nobody. And this lady, this woman, really, really helped me out. And, and her strategy, I guess therapists are all different. Her strategy is, you figure it out for you, like you'll, tell me about you. And then you just go there all the time and you tell her about you and then you figure it out. You'll figure out what happened and the one thing that happened to me was, uh, we would do this mural in the, in the South Bronx for Big Pun. So, you know, I started out a graffiti artist and shout out to Tats Crew. So, every year they would do a new, they would change the mural for Pun, rest in peace Pun.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  So, I'm out there, it's two years has gone by, two dudes walk by. I always say I owe these guys so much money. And one dude was like, yo, what they doing? He wasn't from the neighborhood. He was like, oh, that's Big Pun boy, they change it every year. He said, they change it every year? It's been that long? He was like, yeah, it's been two years. And I swear to God in my brain, all I heard was, two years, two years, two years, two years, two years, two years. And then something in my mind told myself like, yo, Joe, you've been beating yourself up for two years. You gotta snap out of it. That same night, boom, I was back to the way I am now. You know, just, it's two years, Joe. You try to kill yourself. For two years, you've been beating yourself up.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  Maybe you could have did something, maybe you could have lost weight, maybe you could have helped your sister, maybe you could have, you know. And so you go over beating yourself up, so, uh, you know, it's finally was done, two years. And I run away from. Dark thoughts and depression. Like now, I don't even get in the area. If I ever feel something like that, I'm running the other way. See, people walk to it for some reason. You know, but me, I run away from from any type of dark times, any type of dark moments. I move on.

• 45:18Jay Shetty?

  Your sister, if she could talk to you today, what do you think she'd say?

• 45:20Speaker 02

  She'd be proud. But she also was a very supportive.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  And simple. But, you know, she, you know, she knew her brother had a back. She'd call me anytime of the day, anytime of the, you know, "Bro, I need money. That car be outside my window in five minutes." Like, "Yo, come down. Here you go." You know what I'm saying? So she know I always had a back. You know, she, she the only thing I would say, the only regret my sister had with, with me is I used to beat up her boyfriends. And so that was like a major problem, like, like for real, though. If a guy came to visit my sister, I would sit there with a baseball bat while he's sitting on the couch with her. And I'm looking at him and she always hated me for that.

• 46:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  You know, that, that you know, I'm just telling you what she, you know, she wasn't feeling me on that tip right there. Cause I'd be like, you know, "Yo, you ain't gonna do that to my sister."

• 46:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  And so, you know.

• 46:23Jay Shetty?

  Was that your youngest sister?

• 46:24Speaker 02

  She was older.

• 46:25Jay Shetty?

  She was older, okay.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  She was older, but I was always, you know, I'm young, but I've, I've, you know, I'm the, the baby of the family, they say, but always the leader. I don't know, it's just, that was me.

• 46:35Jay Shetty?

  I have a younger sister, I'm very protective as well, and I can, I could relate to what you were saying about the love that you have for your sister, like that kind of Yeah, it's different, yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  The brother, sister love is a whole different, because she really got your back.

• 46:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  You know, nah, she got your back.

• 46:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, I could do no wrong in my sister's eyes, yeah.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  She got your back. So when it's all said and done, you know, God forbid, hopefully you live with your wife till you die together. But if, you know, you ever go through something with your wife or something like that, the one woman that is gonna hold you down is your sister.

• 47:09Jay Shetty?

  And what about Big Pun if he was to talk to you?

• 47:13Speaker 02

  I don't know, you know, Big Pun, man, you know, he was so good. Like, like, he was like, he was like a freak of nature, bro. He was a genius, you know, so I don't know. I know I try to impress him with moves I make and musically. You know, I've always been a real man. I've always been a loyal man. I always stuck to the code, no matter what. You know, I never let the, you know, Pun has this famous line in his record where he says, you know, I never, I wear the crown and never let it touch the ground. So we never let the crown touch the ground. You know, we always kept that same, you know, you know, but uh, he, I can't tell you because he was so much better than me.

• 47:58Speaker 02

  He was just like light years better than me. So he, he really actually taught me how to make hits, even though I discovered him. We would sit there, so he would scream at me like, yo, you're limited. You're limited. Keep thinking, switch it up. At the end, like, he was just so great that, you know, he was like, it was like I'm coming up and he's a Shakespeare or some shit. Like, he was literally, he would be like, no, you gotta do it like this. No, like that. So I don't know, you know, I've had some anthems, I've had hits. I don't know if it was to Big Pun standards. I'm telling you, he was, he was, he was asleep.

• 48:37Speaker 02

  He had that thing, what is it, narcolepsy or something? Right, he would fall asleep right on you. Right, this is a true story.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  He would wake up and be like, pass me the book. And he would have a whole song. He would write it in his sleep. He would have a whole song to start writing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he'd write, I mean, this guy was, he was phenomenal. From the first time I ever heard him, I knew like, this guy's like, The greatest, he's the best. Like it was another level, yeah.

• 49:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, well you, it was, I remember when we were coming up, listening to you. It was because of you that we got introduced to Big Pun, that's how we even discovered him. Yeah, that's how we even discovered who he was, because we weren't aware in London.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  I was Big Pun in London, he was on fire out there.

• 49:22Jay Shetty?

  Because of you.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I know.

• 49:24Jay Shetty?

  That was the entry point for all of us, that's how we discovered his music.

• 49:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:28Jay Shetty?

  But it was for the people who were like, listening. Like it was for a real listener.

• 49:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:32Jay Shetty?

  It wasn't for the masses.

• 49:33Speaker 02

  It was lyrics.

• 49:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it was.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:35Jay Shetty?

  It was for someone who was actually listening and was trying to understand the, you know.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Beautiful time, I think my best time in hip hop music. You know what I mean, just growing together, becoming the first soloist Latino to win, to sell two million records, back in them days, you know. You had to go buy them records in the snowstorm, you know, it was physical. It wasn't just streaming. And so, we were so proud of him.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  And, and you know, he died so young, so that, that really devastated me. To this day, you know, the way the crew works is, he's everywhere. So if you go in my house, you see Big Pun. You go in my businesses, you see Big Pun. You go in any one of the crew members' houses, Big Pun is up. You know, we, we, we never forgot him. You know, what's crazy is I, I throw this up, I'm gonna invite you this year. I throw a birthday party every year that, forget about it. Whoever you think of is, is in there, right? Every year, we have fun. So if you don't dance, you're not invited. We are dancing.

• 50:40Jay Shetty?

  The good thing is I don't do drugs and alcohol, so that's good.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  But you gotta dance, brother, you gotta dance.

• 50:44Jay Shetty?

  We'll make that happen.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  And so, and so, one year, a reporter snuck in the party, we didn't even know. And so the reporter wrote for the, for the Post, I believe. She wrote, "I was in the party, it was amazing, this one, that one was there, this." She said, "They kept mentioning Big Pun every thirty seconds, like he was alive at the party." And so, I think you would be proud of that, that we make sure that, you know, we represent him at the highest standard.

• 51:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  You know, as a rap god, because that's what he is.

• 51:18Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful. The party and I'm waiting for my Terror Squad chain as well. Those are the two things I wanted as a kid.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  That's inexpensive. That's inexpensive. Everybody was waiting on that Terror Squad chain, you know.

• 51:31Jay Shetty?

  You made us want it as kids, you know, that was like the thing.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Still, you know, I remember one day I had to give my chain to Drake off my neck.

• 51:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  Like, I had it on my neck. He was like, yo, man, I always wanted that, you know, this. I was like, yeah, man, here you go. But that's expensive.

• 51:46Jay Shetty?

  That's a heavy thing to give away.

• 51:48Speaker 02

  Oh, that's expensive to just, you know, everybody, you imagine, how rich? Everybody wants a Terror Squad chain.

• 51:55Jay Shetty?

  We used to go get the cubic zirconia one down the road that they used to sell.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  No, but these ain't cubic zirconias.

• 52:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I know, I know.

• 52:01Speaker 02

  And there'd be people I really love, and they'd be like, yo, I need that chain. I'm like, sheesh, man. You know what these chains cost?

• 52:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 52:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's beautiful, man. Have some, you know, Terror Squad started out as a graffiti crew.

• 52:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  The guys who started it passed away, but before they got off graffiti, they gave it to me. I'll never forget. I was in the back of my projects. I was maybe like 13 years old. And I remember I made a pledge. This is gonna, I didn't know it was gonna be music, but it was Terror Squad is gonna be the biggest crew you ever seen in your life. And then I had my sister and her friends was like Terror Squad ladies. And you know, we did this our whole life, you know, and I hope when I'm gone, it'll stick around with all our family members and all our friends, you know. It means a lot.

• 52:53Jay Shetty?

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• 54:30Speaker 02

  It does.

• 54:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's amazing to see you so, you know, having gone through so much trauma, loss. And I think people underestimate how, what you said, that journey of, when you're from the streets and then you suddenly get a million dollars through a talent that you have. And then it's like, you don't know what to do with it, you don't know how it works.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  You know what to do with it, it's better, but you mean that we need financial literacy.

• 54:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, financial literacy.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  One million percent. We didn't know what to do with it with that.

• 55:00Jay Shetty?

  Even today, even today, like now when influencers, TikTok, Instagram, like people are coming into wealth so early in their life without.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  What they say, so that's a great question. I don't know if it's a question statement, I don't know.

• 55:14Jay Shetty?

  It is, it is, yeah, it's a question, it's a question, yeah, I was just framing it up.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  Who are we? This is the problem. Right, so Fat Joe is always open for advice. Young artist, you know, you do it all the time, you can still do it. You can hit me in the DM. I'll talk to you, I'll give you advice. My advice is free all the time. But who are we to tell a young guy or a young girl? Who had nothing in life. Let's take a Sexy Red. Who are we to tell a Sexy Red, who came from nothing and now she's making millions of dollars and she's enjoying it with her friends. It's just, who are we to tell her that she's wrong? Who are we to tell her anything? She made it, it's a miracle.

• 56:02Speaker 02

  It's a miracle that she made it coming from where she coming from. So I can't talk down on them or tell them, yo, don't do that or whatever. Now, if you want advice, I'll tell you what I did. And I blew a lot of money. You know, it's just now in life that I'm understanding, you know, investments and taking care of my money and taking care of my family on another level. And I still have a problem with Louis Vuitton and Gucci and diamonds. And, you know, I'm still attracted to the stuff, you know, but still in all, you know, I look at all these young artists, I don't, I can't tell them. You know, now if they ask me, yo, gee, what you think I should do? Then I'll sit down and be like, yo, go buy a bunch of Subways,

• 56:47Speaker 02

  franchise, go buy some Wingstop's, go buy some McDonald's, you know, something that you, because artists, the sad thing about hip hop is you could go from one day being the biggest artist in the world, getting 250,000 a show, and four years later, you're not hot and you're getting 15,000 a show. That's a big disparity. And so, I don't know why, I don't know why it's like that, why they don't value the artists where the money value stays up. But that's how it is in hip hop. That's just a reality. And so, so many of us artists are driven off of our performance money. Our show, our touring, then when something goes wrong like COVID, you in the house scared to death

• 57:30Speaker 02

  because you can't go out there and make no money. So you gotta diversify. You gotta buy businesses, you gotta investments, you gotta do different things so that money could come into all different angles. And so, that's something I learned at an older. Age, you know, invest in sneaker stores, invest in that, invest in this, invest in that. And so that way money comes in from all over.

• 57:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I think, I think we have to learn from that hindsight because even, even for me, when I started out as a creator, I could see YouTubers who, and YouTube is the same, right? Like one year it's amazing and then the next year it's not. And I saw so many people who came before me that were paying off their parents mortgages one year, but then the next year they didn't have money to pay their own rent because it switches up so fast.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  That's how it is.

• 58:16Jay Shetty?

  And you just see that happen to people overnight and it's painful because their intention was good. They were trying to take care of their family.

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 58:23Jay Shetty?

  But now it's like long term, they've lost out, it doesn't work.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  Well, you know, we have a thing in terrorist world, we always take care of family.

• 58:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  And always take care of mothers and dads. You know, if your mother and dad wasn't rich or didn't have to take care of you, we take care of them.

• 58:38Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  And so it's a, it's a, it's a great honor to look at my brothers and know that each one of them take care of their mother, take care of their father, you know, because we at this age, you know, if we 50 years old now, you know, they're 80 years old, so these times you gotta really look out for them.

• 58:54Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  And so I love a person that actually takes care of their mother, takes care of their father. Now, if they're wealthy or they have money at a time, great. Um, nothing wrong with that, but if they ain't got it, you know, I'm all for taking, you know, I went through a tax problem one time, it wasn't really my fault, but I did. And the biggest thing I got scared of when they told me, you didn't pay your mortgages, you didn't pay your car notes, you didn't this, I had an accountant, I'm sending him wire transfers and he's robbing me, he's not paying my bills. But my biggest fear at that moment was like, oh my God, my mother's house? We didn't pay the mortgage for my mother's house? That would have been the worst thing that ever happened to me for somebody to show up to my mother's house and throw out my mother and father.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  I cared about their house and they live in a modest house. I care about their house more than mine.

• 59:45Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  Um, that's just, that's just me.

• 59:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, what's that like when it feels like everyone's, like you're trying to take care of people with an accountant, friend, people stealing from you, I mean that.

• 59:55Speaker 02

  Man, they stole from me a lot of times. What I realized is just not too many people can have access to money and not have the temptation of stealing.

• 1:00:05Jay Shetty?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  And so you learn, you know, I'm a very trusting person. You know, I'm a very trusting person, so but you learn that these guys, they can't handle that. And so catching your best friends stealing from you, catching managers, catching accounts. We just caught an accountant now, we sue them with millions of dollars. And so now they gotta pay back, you know, through the insurance or whatever the case may be. But we went through a lawsuit, forensic account. These people, you bring them to your house like they're family. You, you around their kids like, and you know, and they, and they stealing your money. And so, and you're so busy working.

• 1:00:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you don't.

• 1:00:42Speaker 02

  Trying to get to money, that you ain't busy watching, oh, I got five dollars deposited in the bank. I got this and this and that. So it's like, you know, they prey on you when they figure out, oh, he ain't watching.

• 1:00:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  But everybody comes out in the wash, what don't come out in the wash, comes out in the rinse.

• 1:01:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. How, how hard is it to stay trusting and soft-hearted and a good person when, when these things happen?

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  That's just who I am.

• 1:01:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, so you're gonna carry on being that way because that's who you wanna be?

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  That's who I am. A lot of times, you know, people done stuff to me, not just steal, but just where, you know, me and my wife have discussions and she's like, yo, don't change. You know, you are who you are, you can't let people change you. Cause a lot of times we dread things and people do horrible stuff to us and then you yourself could become that person. You know, and so we're not doing it, you know, I told you the story of I was bullied and then became the bully. And so we don't let people affect who our true morals and our true character is. You know, it happens, hurts you, move on.

• 1:01:55Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I think that's true, yeah. What, what we often judge in a person is who we become. Because you're thinking about that quality in them so much, that all of a sudden that becomes your reality.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:06Jay Shetty?

  Because you repeated that door.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  You think like, yo, you know.

• 1:02:10Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  They did it to me, I'm gonna do it to somebody else.

• 1:02:13Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  And it's just a cycle that you gotta snap yourself out of. You know, and people, you don't, you know, you don't, you don't think that that's cool because you seen somebody do that. You know, you gotta, you gotta say, this is. This is where the story to my life is all about taking the negative and turn it into a positive and stopping the years of being poor, not being successful, not going to another level of my family tree. From here on, I want to pass it down to my sons, my daughters, my grandkids and give them that motivation to change that family tree because before me, everybody, you know,

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  were hard workers, but they end up being, you know, poor, regular people. And so that's why I press on. That's why I'm in six cities in one week. That's why I'm like, you know, it's not greed, it's just taking it to another level so that generations behind me could follow that example. I don't know if it's, I'm not telling you I got money to last generations. I'm telling you that I've given them that motivation. Where they could say, my grandfather, you know, my great grandfather, this guy, he worked six days out the week. He flew, he didn't like to fly, he flew, he did, you know, just that, you know, to change the whole mindset of our family tree before me.

• 1:03:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. And that's powerful and needed because I feel like if people are seeing like even you at your career, at this stage, you're still working that hard. And that's what I see when I look at people in the industry that come on the show that have been famous for three decades, you know, making money for three decades and they're still working harder today.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  You know, there was guys like that. What's my man, Richard Simmons? Richard Simmons? It was guys that, I wish I knew their names, that they used to have something called, was it family squares or back in the days? Where they would take these squares, like it's like tic-tac-toe and they'll have your celebrity that been around for 30 years.

• 1:04:24Jay Shetty?

  Oh, I don't know.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Damn, that's very famous in America. Like now we got hip-hop squares, but. Hollywood Squares. So they would take Jay Shetty. Twenty years from now, you'll be up there answering the question of this. So they've been doing this.

• 1:04:39Jay Shetty?

  Right.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  A long time.

• 1:04:40Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  You know, there's been celebrities that held on.

• 1:04:43Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  You know, you'll always get a Danny DeVito Jersey Subs commercial or something like. These guys have been sticking around a while.

• 1:04:51Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  And so that's Fat Joe. You know, until I'm out of here, you know, I want to stick around. You know, I want to bump into you on the red carpet. I want to just, you know, that's, that's what I want to do.

• 1:05:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that. I mean, talking, you were talking about taking care of your parents. A big part for you is also taking care of, like you said, future generations. And I know that you're a father to a child who has Down's Syndrome, autism. And as far as I know, at least at the time, you, you were a single parent for a while or maybe even.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  Well, I'm a kid, I was a kid. He was like nineteen, you know, so. Me and his mother was, was together, then we broke up. And there was this one rainy day. She walked up, we had some like makeup sex. She comes back, she says she's pregnant.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  I tell her, I don't want to be with you, you know, uh. And she's like, no, this is my baby, this, this, that. So thank God, we didn't have an abortion, but, um, Joey's born. And, uh, it's crazy, he's born in the same hospital that my sister caught the coma in. Bronx Lebanon Hospital. So, uh, if I get shot, I'm going to another hospital. I'm not going there, trust me. And so, uh.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  You know, the doctor comes and says, listen, we got bad news. I never forget that. And he sat me down and her, and she was like, oh, I can't raise this baby. We got to give him away for adoption.

• 1:06:15Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 1:06:16Speaker 02

  And then my mother and father just jumped in right at me. It was like, oh no, this is our baby. Like, we're not doing that. And so, uh, we've had full custody since he was born. I got to thank my mother and my father for, uh, pretty much raising Joey. You know, he's, he's their kid. You know, he's my kid. You know, but he's their kid. You know, my father to this day sleeps next to Joey. You know, in the same bed, you know, and, and now my father's older and Joey watches him. So Joey, if my father sleeps too long, whatever, Joey's in his wheelchair. He's watching my father. You know, when my father's outside telling jokes, he's happy that he's telling jokes.

• 1:06:58Speaker 02

  You know, he's, he's a very smart kid and we just say, uh, he's our biggest blessing. I feel like if I would abandon Joey, I would have never had the success I have. You know, I feel like, uh, you know, it's hard to deal with a special needs kid, but they bring so much joy to the world. And if, you know, me and you, we get sad, we get happy, we talking about depression. This guy's always happy. Like he's in a state of happy, you know. Uh, sure, we wanna, you know, if he could have talked, if he could have walked, you know, but, you know, like I tell you, part of my process of not being depressed, not being mad,

• 1:07:40Speaker 02

  not blaming God, right? Is always saying, all right, dealing with, this is what it is. We did it and we gotta look forward towards the positive. And so, uh, so I never, you know, blame God. I never blame nobody. I just said, yo, this is what it is. We love him. He's ours. We're gonna take care of him forever. We're gonna make sure he's great. He's loved, he's happy. And so that's how we deal with Joey. Um, and another thing, I never, you know, uh, blame God for anything. You know, I accept the good and the bad. You know, my belief and my faith in God is just, is legendary. And I believe that all our blessings come from God.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  You know, that's my true belief in my heart. And so just let your audience know that.

• 1:08:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, that's beautiful. I mean, with Joey specifically, like what was the most challenging phase? And because I know you do a lot to also empower communities, raise awareness about this because of course.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  Man, it's hard, you know, and then going back to the hip hop bravado, being tough. So, so for many years, I wouldn't let people see Joey or nothing like that because hip hop was so. Beef, problems, you know, I never want nobody to disrespect my son. And so, uh, but, you know, we always, you know, had this loving relationship. You know, the bottom line is, you know, in life, whatever God throws at you or whatever they throw at you, you gotta deal with it. You gotta man up, you know, and I'm, I'm proud of the job we've done with Joey. He's just a beautiful kid, you know, and, and, you know, he knows he's the dawn.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  You know, when we go to dinner with my son and my, and my daughter, you know, he sits at the corner of the table and looks at them like this is my little brother. This is my little sister. You know, he knows that. So he's, he's, he's the biggest blessing.

• 1:09:36Jay Shetty?

  Hmm. That's beautiful, man. It sounds like, you know, again, I'm going back to what you said at the start of the interview was that the guy who made the music, the Fat Joe that made that music is very different to the Joe that I'm sitting with 2024. What, what are the biggest differences in what's love, lean back, like all the way up? Like what's the difference between that and?

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  All I could tell you is that every one of those songs you described, my back was to the wall. I was fighting for my life. The only way I knew how to make it was through music. And so I channeled this energy in this music. Uh, and thank God they became anthems and hits. But, uh, you know, Fat Joe, the person has always been different, you know, I've always been a family man. Uh, I've always been for my community, you know, before we had social media, before we had thing, you know, I've been raising money for people. I've been giving back to my community,

• 1:10:38Speaker 02

  computers to schools, libraries, you know, I have a business in the Bronx now with a sneaker store called Up NYC. We have a school in the store where the kids come after school, they eat, they learn computers, they get mentored, they this. I mean, we don't stop, you know, just last week we gave to Haiti, right, Rich? My best friend, Rich, uh, is Haitian. So the, the turmoil and, and everything that's going on in Haiti where. Kids are in famine, you know, and for some reason I feel like they don't get this awareness. I feel like they don't get the same love as anybody else. So we raised a bunch of food for Haiti and money. And so, you know, we've been doing this when the cameras is off, man, you know.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  I just feel so blessed that I'm able right now, when I, when I cut it with you. If I want to eat a steak or a lobster, I can eat it, whatever I want, I can get it. Um, I'm not feeling bad about that. I worked for it. You know, but I do believe in, yo, what about them? You know what I'm saying? What about taking care of the less fortunate? That's beautiful. Providing for the people. So we've been like this forever. It's just now it's social media.

• 1:11:48Jay Shetty?

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• 1:13:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's nice to be able to see it though, because I feel like, like we were talking about, there are so many dark moments in your life. But even sitting with you for a few moments, I'm like, you have a light energy about you. Right, like, as in, light in the

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  You know what's so crazy is, there's this video going viral, I don't know why. Something here is going viral, I don't know what it is. You can't put a camera on Fat Joe and it just don't go viral. It's going viral.

• 1:13:45Jay Shetty?

  I love it.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  There's no way around it.

• 1:13:47Jay Shetty?

  I love it. Lady loves the sound of that.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  And so I did, no, it's going. I don't know what to tell you, it's, something's gone, right? And so, I did an interview maybe a year ago, right? And I remember, I was tired. And the guy came up to me, I was a Vegas, and I wanted to get some sleep. I flew, and he was like, Fat Joe, man, I got a podcast, I want you to do it. And somehow, I allowed him in my room, dead tired, and he interviewed me. And I said, I told the story about, one time, when I was young, you know, when I was in high school, I robbed my whole gym class. So I stuck up the gym class. It's like seventy students. He says, without a gun, I said, there, without a gun, you know, I robbed everybody. In fact, the guys I robbed, helped me carry the jackets and the walkmans and stuff,

• 1:14:30Speaker 02

  outside the school, I couldn't even carry, it was seventy, you know. But it was, it was, it was, it was power tripping. It was, it was like, see if I could do it, right? But in any case, I told this story, right? And now, all of a sudden, I don't know, yesterday and today, it's been viral media, like, and everybody's like, oh, this guy's a liar, like, I can't believe, like, you know, it's that type of thing, but I looked at it, uh, today, this morning, when I got in the car, and I said, man, this is crazy. You believe this guy who tells this story, raises food and money for Haiti just last weekend, and gets back to the community and this and that, it's just such a contradiction.

• 1:15:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  And, and so, uh, Puerto Rico, we sent a million pounds of, uh, we sent a million pounds of women's hygiene, food, water, when they had the hurricane. You know, it was four airplanes, we sent over there, uh, just last year. Some Muslims from the Bronx, uh, seventeen of them died in the, in the fire. We raised over two million dollars for them. And so, we just constantly, but, you know, me, it's like, to the point out there, be careful, careful what you wish for, cause soon as something happened, they knocking on that door. And they're like, yo, Joe. And I'm like, alright, I'm with you guys. What we doing, man? How we raising the money?

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  How we gonna, you know, how we gonna make this happen? But I love that. You know, I'll tell you a story.

• 1:16:00Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  Um, one day I'm driving by myself. And I'm in the Rolls Royce. And I gotta get gas and I pull over in the Bronx. That's where I'm from. You let me tell it, I'm the king of the Bronx. And uh, so I go to the Bronx, I go to the gas station. I go in the gas station to get me a, a water when I'm coming out. There's a homeless guy there. Now, this guy ain't homeless by choice. He ain't one of these hobos. He's homeless. You know, all you want, he's a real.

• 1:16:31Speaker 02

  I'm at Witson, right? And so he comes up, he says, Fat Joe. And I said, could we curse on this?

• 1:16:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  So he says, Fat Joe. And. You fly mother, you, you fly mother, right? And he's dead and homeless, right? He says, I don't want no money. I don't want no money. So. I'm like, yo, what's up? And he's like, I just want you to know. A homeless man is the closest to the street. We know what you do out here for us. We know how you take care of us. All that, I got so emotional that day driving home. I was like, but, but that's what it's about. When you got a, a homeless dude talking about, yo, I don't want no money, but I know what you do for us. I know how you take care of us. I'm like, wow, that's what it's all about. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:17:20Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely, absolutely. And that's, I, I think. Doing good in silence is what real doing good is. Because, you know. Then, then you're really doing it for the people. Then you're really doing it for. The people that you're serving.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  I have a lot of friends, Muslim friends. And um. You know, I'm uh, I'm Christian, right? But a lot of my best friends are Muslims. And. And they're very successful. And but they have big hearts and they give back so much. But and they never brag. They never say, I gave this. I never gave that. I never gave this. You know, a whole different culture. And so, you know, I've seen them, the way they move. You know, I love how they move with how they give back to their community. You know, and they're not trying to shame their community by giving back.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  They just, you know, embrace them, give it, let's move on. Let's thank God that we can give back. That's the whole thing.

• 1:18:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  You know, you know, you gotta thank God that he gave you an opportunity to give back. And I believe, uh, you know. You know, I went to a funeral one time and, uh. And. You know. It hit me, it was, well, I knew this before that, but it was Reverend Al Sharpton. He was at a funeral and he said, you know, when you die, nobody cares what car you drive. Nobody cares what clothes you had. Nobody cares what this, what they wanna know is what did you do for the people? And it resonated with me so much because it's like, what are you doing for the people? You know, we happy for you, you're successful, you're living a great life, you this.

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  But what did you do? How did you come back and give to the community? How did you come and change lives? How did you mentor people? How did you put people, give them jobs so that, you know? In my store, both, two of my three stores, I own two, two stores, two of my stores, the managers are single parent mothers. One of them just bought her first house. And she called me one day, I get it, Joe, man, I'm so happy. I bought my first house. I know what you mean now, Joe, and you like, yo, you know. You know, we doing this so you could change your life. So th- these impactful stories, uh, they make, they make the legacy.

• 1:19:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:54Speaker 02

  They make everything, and that's how I look at it.

• 1:19:56Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Do you think, do you think hip-hop's changing slightly when you look at like J. Cole apologizing after, uh, you know, he got involved in the beef and then he stepped back and he actually said, oh, you know what? I was being an old version of me. That's not me anymore. I don't know if you saw that video.

• 1:20:12Speaker 02

  I love, well, me, you know, the biggest thing is just yesterday, you know, I had one of the biggest, most dangerous rap beefs with 50 Cent. I was sitting next to him in the game yesterday.

• 1:20:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, the game in the next.

• 1:20:22Speaker 02

  Having the best time in the world. We're brothers. Um, I get that.

• 1:20:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  But when you called out in hip-hop, you gotta respond. And so I'm a big fan of J- J. Cole, but it started from that. So I see he probably saw that that could get real messy and real ugly. And so he said, yo, you know what? This ain't me. I don't want no parts of it. But he definitely got a stripe off his, you know, whatever. He's a sergeant or whatever he is. The, the corporal, they took a stripe off for that because in hip-hop, they call you out, you come out. You know, that's just what it is.

• 1:20:57Jay Shetty?

  That's the sport.

• 1:20:58Speaker 02

  That's the sport.

• 1:20:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  You gotta come out. And a guy like him, he was, he was, you know, he was a king.

• 1:21:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, he's so talented.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  You know, he's, he's so talented. He's a king. So it was like, wow, Cole, you did that? And but I get it. I get all scenarios. He was mature enough to think past the lyrical beef and say, yo, this might turn physical.

• 1:21:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And also it felt like he, he was kinda like, that's just not the energy he wants to play in anymore. Like, that's just not.

• 1:21:23Speaker 02

  I'm not mad at him, but I'm just saying from a real hip-hop artist, you know, you know, I've been called out and I gotta step up, even if I think the artist is a million times better than me. You know, it, it's crazy because I remember one time a, a funny, uh, battle was, uh, Everlast. You remember? I jumped around, him and Eminem. Eminem, I think, called him out, but he came out. Like, Everlast said his rhyme, it was incredible.

• 1:21:52Jay Shetty?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  And he moved, you know, you gotta come out. You, you, you, you know, hip-hop, you talking all this, somebody calls you out. You gotta step out.

• 1:22:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah. Okay, interesting. So the sport is the sport.

• 1:22:04Speaker 02

  I love J. Cole. I'm a huge fan of him. I get it from a mature standpoint. But also, you know, hip hop, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta bring the sword out when it's time.

• 1:22:17Jay Shetty?

  Got it.

• 1:22:17Speaker 02

  That's what it's about.

• 1:22:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Well, we were saying earlier that you were the, uh, we were in the J. Lo movie together. You played this prominent role of being a therapist.

• 1:22:27Speaker 02

  You were in the movie too.

• 1:22:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'm in the movie too. I'm, I'm a, I play, uh, what am I? I forgot. What is it? What is, what is? I've got the big horns.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  A god or something, man.

• 1:22:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot which one. I forget which astrological sign am I? I forgot. The one with the big, uh, Aries, maybe? Anyway, yeah, I'm one, I'm one of the astrological signs. And you played the therapist, but it sounds like you've been on, would you say you've been on somewhat of a spiritual journey, a healing journey across your life?

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  My whole life. Man, God has had his hand on me. I've been shot at maybe thirty, forty times. There's times I deserved it. There's times I seen the bullet go like this and I knew God was there. And so that's why you say, you're, Joe, why you help the people? I mean, Jesus, man, this guy saved my life so many times. Like stuff that I was supposed to go down for and I never did. And so I'm like, wow, I'm just so grateful to God that I gotta help the people. I gotta spread the message. I gotta say I'm faithful to Jesus Christ. That's my God, my Lord and Savior. And so, uh, you know, uh, my whole life is a spiritual journey and, and just me, uh,

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  being a leader, uh, in my community. You know how many people's lives I saved? You know how many killers came to me and was like, Joe, could I talk to you? I'm like, yeah, I'm, homeboy dissed me, I'm gonna kill him. And I sat with them and literally, I tell you, I don't drink, sat with them all night and drank Hennessy with them to convince them not to kill that guy. And that guy never knew that I'm the guy who convinced this guy not to kill that guy. I don't even like that guy, but I don't want my friend to go to jail. So I'm like, yo, bro, here you go. Nah, that ain't it. Don't worry, God will deal with that guy. This, this, usually, I'm serious.

• 1:24:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's a different world.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Talked, I've been a therapist my whole life. Talking people off the edge. I'm telling you, man, like, yo. You know, it's like, forget about it. I got a friend now, he's fighting cancer. Shout out Pretty Lou. It came back and went away, it came back. Now he just got the thing, thing, thing. And then, you know, I gotta go in there. You know, now I gotta go to the, he says, you're on the list. You're beside my wife, you're the only person in the world on the list. He got hundreds of friends, but I'm the one on the list. I'm the guy that gotta go in there and pray with Pretty Lou and see him fighting the cancer and this. And so it's tough for me. People don't really realize, um, in all one day's work, I'll come do this.

• 1:24:55Speaker 02

  I'll go to an old lady I know's funeral after, pay for the funeral. Then go and make a song later. And like, you know, my life is crazy. So it's almost like I'm a, like, like I'm a hip hop evangelist at all times, though. Like, this is every single day. You know what I mean? Where I gotta, you know, I can't just be Fat Joe the rapper. I gotta go and heal the people in a, in a strange way.

• 1:25:25Jay Shetty?

  And you go on your business venture too, right? Like, that's part of...

• 1:25:28Speaker 02

  Why fight the time when you can rewind the time? Now, listen, Jay Shetland, let me tell you something. You, you don't need it now, but one day you might need it.

• 1:25:38Jay Shetty?

  I'm gonna be very happy about it.

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  And if your wife tells you she loves the salt and pepper, she's lying. You gotta stay in the game, guys.

• 1:25:45Jay Shetty?

  Got it, got it.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  Guys, why fight the time when you can rewind the time? It's Rewind, it's the number one product. We have it in Sally's Beauty. It's the number one product, man or female. And so we got rid of the stigma. We got Travis Kelsey on the box. We got Tyson Beckford, one of the biggest supermodels in the world. We got DJ Khaled. I mean, Giancarlo Novella, famous guy. And so, you know, I've been, uh... The one thing you can bully me or clown me for is I hate white hair. And so, since I was 27, I was getting white hair and I've been using all these other products. Some of them will burn my skin, some of them, it ain't true to color.

• 1:26:26Speaker 02

  If I get it brown, it'll look purple, you know, they clown me on Twitter. Joe got the shoe polish on again. So I wanted to be, create a product alone with my sister Carolyn Aaronson and Jeff Aaronson. They own It's a Tense. They own women's hair products, this is the billion dollar company. So we're best friends, we've been on vacation with each other 15, 16 years. My wife and her are best friends and I was like, yo, Carolyn, let's make a product. And it's moving, it's gone.

• 1:26:56Jay Shetty?

  That's dope, man.

• 1:26:57Speaker 02

  I think in another year to be everywhere, you know?

• 1:26:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, no one wants to get bullied for having purple hair or like some orange color.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  We gotta get rid of the stigma, even me, when I used to go in there, I used to sneak in there almost like I was buying my wife some, when your wife tells you to buy her some tampons, that's like recon, bro, you diving through the aisles, you rolling on the floor. You don't want nobody to see you, you go up to the counter at CVS, you like, yo, get me out of here. It's the same thing with hair coloring, with men's hair coloring, nobody wants to know. And, uh, but we, we getting rid of the stigma of it because men were really ashamed to say they were doing it, but, uh, I had some artists I stepped to to get on the box and they were like, yeah, I don't do that, I'm like, bro, like, yes, you know, you fully rewinding. Like, you gotta be kidding me, bro, you don't use the, you don't use the product?

• 1:27:47Speaker 02

  Like, you know, you 50 something, your lines are like this, this, that, like, yo, bro, cool, alright.

• 1:27:52Jay Shetty?

  You can tell.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  One million percent.

• 1:27:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you can tell.

• 1:27:55Speaker 02

  I'm like a detective. One thing I could tell is, uh, not in a terrible way, you do what you want, it ain't my fault, but I could tell Botox and I could tell, uh, men's hair coloring. I just don't know why, I could just tell. I'm like, alright, you know what I'm saying, and, you know, let's keep it real, if you... Sixty years old, looking thirty, you're doing something. Like, you know, it is what it is, you know. Smokey Robinson, the living legend, the icon, he looked twenty-three still. You know, I mean, I'm not disrespecting him. I'm saying, you know, that's what he feels. And, you know, he wants to look young till he dies.

• 1:28:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:36Speaker 02

  I respect that, I ain't got no problem with that.

• 1:28:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, for you as well, I mean, you went on your whole weight loss journey.

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had to, I might be dead by now.

• 1:28:42Jay Shetty?

  What was that, like, why did that become such?

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  The first thing was Big Pun died.

• 1:28:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  Right from a heart attack, twenty-something. You know, only people I knew that got, that died were like murdered. And, you know, being twenty-seven and dying because of your weight, that was like half the journey, because I was four hundred eighty pounds at one time.

• 1:29:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  That was half of it. Then I had another friend, who was another guy, twenty-something years old. He passed away of a heart attack. I went to the funeral, he had a daughter like me, he was funnier than me. And when I sat there, it was almost like an episode of Ebenezer Scrooge, where he takes you back to look at your life. So I looked at it, I was like, oh, this is me next. So I had no choice but to, you know, work out, eat right, stay off the carbs. You know, you know, I went through all that.

• 1:29:33Jay Shetty?

  How did you set all those habits up? Because those are hard things, like, people struggle. Like, this is a struggle, like.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  You gotta live.

• 1:29:40Jay Shetty?

  It was just pure motivation from that?

• 1:29:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, you wanna live. You know, people tell me all the time, you're not so fat, Joe. I just say, yo, I just wanna live. And so, this world is so beautiful, that I just wanna live. And every day I wake up, um, I call some of my friends, I'm like, you believe we got another day? You believe we got another day? Um, and, and so, I just wanna live, so, uh, health is wealth. And, as you could be, I got a friend. He caught a terrible infection, right? This guy's a billionaire. He got a boat bigger than this building. He got everything he want. But we thought he was dying for like a year and a half. They couldn't find this infection. He got skinny, he was IVs on him, this and this and that.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  And so, thank God, he snapped back and they found it, what it was. But, I mean, that's the true meaning of it. Health is wealth. If you ain't got your health, and you got all the money in the world, you can smile at it all you want. But if you ain't got your health, you know, you ain't got nothing. Yeah, how long did it take you? Like, what was that process like? Years, bro. Years, yeah. This was years. I used to, at one time, when I was really on it, I used to work out maybe three times a day. Three times a day? Three times a day. I was like addicted. And if I flew to Vegas to do a show, I'd go straight in the gym. I, you know, I wouldn't need a cracker. There was that one time I wouldn't need a cracker. I wouldn't need a, like, I was just like, you know,

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  and every day with a trainer, uh, my man, his name was the My Muscle Connection. He'd be like, My Muscle Connection. And he would come and do all that stuff, pushing the eighteen-wheeler tire in the middle of ninety-degree weather, box, just, you know. I did it all, you know, and, uh, and then eventually you learn how to eat. Because at the end of the day, the carbs is killing us. So it's bread, when you eat it, say you take a salty pretzel, it turns into sugar. Um, rice turns into sugar. Um, pasta turns into sugar. All these things, you don't know. And you, I've met people who say, yo, I'm diabetic. And they like, I don't even eat sweets.

• 1:31:51Speaker 02

  But they don't realize that they, these carbs they're eating is actually going in your body as sugar. And so, I had to teach myself how to eat. You know, now, I, every time I eat, I eat defensively. If I eat bad, it's because I really want to eat bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But other than that, I'm defense. So I'm like, if I get a rice and chicken. So yesterday, I bought a, it was kind of whack too, a yellow rice with lobster, right? And then I brought it to my house. I ate the lobster and might have. Touch the rice, like tip, tip, the whole thing in the garbage. You know, if, if, if, if I eat sushi, the least rice in the world, don't try to bring the rice, this, this, that.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  Everything I'm eating is defense. Everything is defense. Everything is like, yo, try to stay away from the carb. Try to stay away from the carb. Get the chicken with the salad.

• 1:32:44Jay Shetty?

  It's amazing transformation, man.

• 1:32:45Speaker 02

  It's, it's like, uh, the way you brush your teeth.

• 1:32:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:49Speaker 02

  Hopefully, everybody here brushes their teeth.

• 1:32:52Jay Shetty?

  Twice a day.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  As soon as you wake up, twice a day, as soon as you wake up, you gotta brush your teeth, right? That's number one, right? And so that's how I eat. Now, now I eat like, you know, even if I went and got a sandwich right now, somehow I would eat one part of the bread and the three parts of the bread is still there, but I ate the meat with the, with the. That's how we do, right, Rich? That's how we do all the time.

• 1:33:14Jay Shetty?

  No, it's an amazing transformation, man.

• 1:33:16Speaker 02

  Thank you, brother.

• 1:33:16Jay Shetty?

  It's amazing. It's inspiring for others as well.

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  That's weird, right?

• 1:33:19Jay Shetty?

  Making it possible.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  I still feel like me. So even though I slimmed up, I still feel like the same person. So when people tell me all the time, yo, Joe, you look, I'm like, what they talking about? Like, I'm still, what's that movie, Hallo Shao?

• 1:33:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  You know, I'm shallow how, man. I look in the mirror, I'm still Fat Joe. I'm like, yo, this, they be like, yo, you lost weight, not so fat, Joe. I be like, yo, what's these guys talking about? I'm shallow how, you know? Yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:33:48Jay Shetty?

  It's great. Joe, it's been such a joy talking to you, man. Thank you for your time, your energy. We, we end every episode with a final five. These have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. As a poet and a rapper, I'm sure this is very doable. Uh, but Fat Joe, these are your fast final five. So question one is, what is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:34:10Speaker 02

  Don't stop, keep going.

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  And that's, that's, that's from DJ Khaled.

• 1:34:15Jay Shetty?

  Nice.

• 1:34:16Speaker 02

  Don't stop, keep going.

• 1:34:18Jay Shetty?

  They, they want you to stop.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  They want you to stop. He's like, you know, he's a guy, I tell him, and he's, you can't, just can't impress Khaled. So if I tell him, yo, I just got a TV show, don't stop, keep going. Keep going.

• 1:34:30Jay Shetty?

  Nice.

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  So he keeps me motivated.

• 1:34:33Jay Shetty?

  I like that. That's dope. Okay, second question, what's the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  I would say the worst was, uh, advice I have is.

• 1:34:42Speaker 02

  Received was drugs are good. Yo, these drugs are good. Nah.

• 1:34:49Jay Shetty?

  Not worth it.

• 1:34:50Speaker 02

  I'm good.

• 1:34:53Jay Shetty?

  Question number three, if they make a movie about your life, who's gonna play you?

• 1:34:57Speaker 02

  It's gonna be a young handsome Spanish Latino guy for sure. And I'ma pick him out. You know, I'ma make sure this guy is fly as hell. But I don't believe we have one out there yet. I don't believe the guy who plays Fat Joe is a star yet. It'd be some, uh, somebody will host, do a casting.

• 1:35:18Jay Shetty?

  They're not born yet.

• 1:35:19Speaker 02

  They're born, but we don't know him yet. They're walking around Brooklyn, they're walking around LA, they're walking around Chicago. Inspiring artists, but they haven't been on TV or movies yet. I've never seen a guy on TV and said, oh, this Fat Joe.

• 1:35:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, question number four, when you were referring to movies that it feels like your life has been sometimes, what's a movie that's already out there that you think is, is the best depiction of what it was like?

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  I'm a movie guy.

• 1:35:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I'm a movie guy too, that's why I'm asking, I love movies. Bronx Tale?

• 1:35:51Speaker 02

  Godfather.

• 1:35:52Jay Shetty?

  Godfather, okay.

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  Right now, I'm at that Michael Colion phase. You know what I'm saying, I gotta move the silas now, this is tricky out here, I gotta be Michael right now. It's so crazy, just last week, uh, I was thinking to myself, I said, all right now, this is, this, this is Michael Colion time. It's just so wicked out there, you gotta think like Michael, you know what I mean? So I would say Godfather, but Bronx Tale is definitely, uh, one of my favorite movies of all time. I learned a lot from Bronx Tale, you know, I got shot one time, I know we can't go into that now, we, we did, but the guy owed me $10 and I kept harassing him. And the guy was so scared of me that he came back and shot me, out of fear.

• 1:36:36Speaker 02

  So you seen the movie Bronx Tale when he kept, Colodio kept chasing the guy that owed him $2? And Sonny, the Don told him, y'all, you got rid of him for $2.

• 1:36:47Speaker 02

  I should have learned that in the Bronx.

• 1:36:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:36:49Speaker 02

  You know, so I love movies because I always learn so much from movies.

• 1:36:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, nice. And fifth and final question. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:37:01Speaker 02

  One law that everybody else, it would be, um, give back to the less fortunate. You know, I got friends that are billionaires. I got a friend.

• 1:37:12Jay Shetty?

  That's great.

• 1:37:12Speaker 02

  I can't tell you who he is. He's, he's, he's, he's bigger than everything, bigger than rapping, everything. This guy's big. His backyard is the beach. He has like maybe a $200 million house and the backyard is a beach. Guy published over 60 books. You read his books. And he told me, you know, he looked at me, he said, man, you, you too generous, man. Like, what? It says the guy with a billion dollars? He's like, he says, I'm not like you. I'm not as good as you. I see how you always giving back and all that. He says, I'm not. He's like, nah, I don't give back. He said, you know what? When I die, my grandchildren, I got them all college. That's it. They're not getting my money, you know?

• 1:37:57Jay Shetty?

  I'm like, wow.

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  You know, so I would tell everybody to give back, have a kind heart, give back to the less fortunate. If you ain't got nothing to give back, give back your time. Whatever you could do for your community, uh, you need to do that, man. And, and, and. Try to mentor the youth. I always try to tell them the right thing.

• 1:38:18Jay Shetty?

  I've been seeing you a lot in Washington DC lately as well. So tell us about what's going on there.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  You know, just fighting, uh, health, uh, price transparency, you know, I teamed up with an organization, Power to the Patients. One of my friends is the founder, Kevin Mora. He's been there. He's been my friend for over 20 years. So he told me what's going on in America and how many people, it's over 100 million Americans in debt due to health, uh, pricing. It's 100 million. Ain't but 300 million, right? So that's one in three. And people losing their families, you know, when you go to the hospital, you sign over a waiver that says if you can't pay, they could take your property.

• 1:38:59Speaker 02

  And you know, I read up on this Amish family, um, where they had a granddaughter and she needed a kidney. And they were afraid to take her to the hospital and sign the papers because they were afraid of losing the farm. To get her a kidney.

• 1:39:16Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  And you know, people are scared to go to the doctor because of the price.

• 1:39:22Jay Shetty?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:39:22Speaker 02

  So you see, you walk around New York, you see people limping, people just getting worse and worse because they, what do you do? You send your kid to college or you fix your leg?

• 1:39:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:32Speaker 02

  Or you, you, you know, and this, this is going on like crazy and you know, there's actually a law out there that says you gotta enforce and you gotta tell people the price when they're going there. And for some reason, they're not enforcing this.

• 1:39:48Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 1:39:48Speaker 02

  And so we're bringing awareness. So I've been going to Ha- um Hollywood, yeah, that's what, Washington is sort of like Hollywood, right? So I've been going to Washington, dealing with all the politicians, uh, trying to get a law passed and uh, Senator Braun and Bernie Sanders came up with a law which finally says, you have to tell us the prices, not estimates, estimates are BS. We wanna know what it is. And you know, I would, what does that do for you? It creates competition. Say I gotta go somewhere, I gotta get an MRI. I pull up my three favorite hospitals, one of them is, believe it or not, one of them will be twelve hundred, one of them will be twenty eight thousand, one of them will be seventy eight hundred.

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  Of course, I'm going with the twelve hundred, but it makes competition. Now they could charge you whatever they want.

• 1:40:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:37Speaker 02

  So shout out to powers, to the patients and all the politicians, let's make this happen.

• 1:40:41Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's needed. I mean, I moved from London to the US eight years ago. And in London, we have the National Health Service, the NHS, which is available for everyone for free. But then, and then you have private healthcare, if you want like, uh, you know, a particular service, level of service.

• 1:40:58Speaker 02

  You wanna sweep looking at Big Ben.

• 1:41:00Jay Shetty?

  Totally, yeah.

• 1:41:01Speaker 02

  That's, that costs you more.

• 1:41:02Jay Shetty?

  But that's the funny thing, the private healthcare in England is actually private in the sense of it's, it's an elevated experience, whereas private healthcare here is like, even when I moved in, I was paying like five, ten thousand a year.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:41:15Jay Shetty?

  You're like, it doesn't.

• 1:41:16Speaker 02

  And you don't even get nothing.

• 1:41:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you don't get anything.

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  Every time I go for a prescription, it's like I'm still paying the same thing.

• 1:41:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I know, yeah, I feel, I get it.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  It's all a gimmick.

• 1:41:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's amazing.

• 1:41:23Speaker 02

  It's all a gimmick, man. And so we bringing. Awareness to it is shining a light on it.

• 1:41:27Jay Shetty?

  That's brilliant, man. No, that's really important. Yeah, I feel that.

• 1:41:29Speaker 02

  Very.

• 1:41:29Jay Shetty?

  We need to find a way to, I can't, yeah, it's so sad to see how many people are on the streets or struggling because they can't afford their medical.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  It's a fact.

• 1:41:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's painful. Thank you for doing that. That's amazing. How can, how can people support, help? How can they learn, actually?

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  You can follow Power to the Patients. We always inform them on Instagram or social media. Uh, and we out there, man. We out there. We're in their faces. We're gonna get the job done and help the people. This is another way of, you know, helping the people, using my voice. You know, I used to say, uh, I'm a voice for the voiceless, but I, I, now I say I'm a voice for those unheard.

• 1:42:06Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 1:42:07Speaker 02

  Meaning there's people, they got a voice.

• 1:42:08Jay Shetty?

  They're shouting, but you can't hear them.

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  It's just you can't hear them.

• 1:42:10Jay Shetty?

  Hmm. Well said. Thank you so much, man. Appreciate you.

• 1:42:13Speaker 02

  It's all love.

• 1:42:14Jay Shetty?

  Grateful to you, man. Thank you so much.

• 1:42:15Speaker 02

  Jay Shetty, we did it, baby.

• 1:42:16Jay Shetty?

  We did it finally.

• 1:42:17Speaker 02

  Finally. It's in the books.

• 1:42:20Jay Shetty?

  It's in the books. If this is the year that you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more, I need you to listen to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods that lead to success, and the secret to genuinely loving what you do. If you're trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you.

• 1:42:44Speaker 06

  Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value. Like, as an artist, if you like it, that's all of the value. That's the success comes when you say, I like this enough for other people to see it.

• 1:42:55Speaker 03

  Mr. President, my company foreme of the explosion on our rig.

• 1:42:59Speaker 05

  On October 2nd.

• 1:43:00Speaker 03

  Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all keep the blame on me.

• 1:43:05Speaker 05

  Tom Cruise is. Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us up. From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.

• 1:43:12Speaker 04

  What would happen if I stopped going? You start, you freeze to death, that's what.

• 1:43:16Speaker 05

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 1:43:19Speaker 04

  I'm not the first then.

• 1:43:21Speaker 05

  Digger. See the trailer online. Only in theaters October 2nd. Rated R. Under 17. Not a middle out parent.