The Snack: Doc Bombshells, Oreo-gate, and US Open Influencers

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: The explosive Elizabeth Holmes documentary Raygun's “redemption” documentary Other doc recs: Travis Barker, Pastor’s Wife, Murder of Dan Markel Earle Meets World review Oreo-gate mom drama US Open influencer controversy Headlines: Phaedra Parks and CT hard launch, Tr*mp’s stupid new hair, Bethenny goes to Burning Man, Lindsay Clancy mistrial, Duct taping down a racist plane passenger Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Hinge: Download the dating app designed to be deleted. The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Watch the all new season now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney+ for bundle subscribers. Butcher Box: Get $20 off your first box and free shipping plus your choice of steak in every box for a year at https://butcherbox.com/gge. Revolve: Get 15% off your first order at https://revolve.com/gge with code GGE. NOCD: If you’re struggling with OCD book a free 15-minute call at https://nocd.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  This week on the snack documentary bombshells, Oreo gate and tennis versus influencers.

• 0:06Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Enjoy.

• 0:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi guys.

• 0:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi guys, we are back.

• 0:16Rayna Greenberg?

  We're back. We missed you. I feel like we missed a huge week of gossip last week and I don't remember what it was. Nothing comes to mind.

• 0:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're, yeah, we are trying to still talk about stuff that's new, but what happened last week?

• 0:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I swear to God, there was all this stuff and I was like, I'm so upset. We can't talk about this. And now it's just like, you and I are the most constantly online people, like hyper on the internet that I know. It's like so funny when a friend of ours is like, did you see this? I was like, do you know who you guys are talking to?

• 0:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or when you have friends at Burning Man and you're like, how did we not know that we're so different? And listen to each their own. We will talk about it, but do you ever have that jump scare where you're like, oh, I didn't know we had such a different type of lifestyle?

• 1:03Rayna Greenberg?

  It's when I find out that friends of ours don't watch reality TV. It is truly when people are like, I don't watch Bravo. And I'm like, what have you done with your life?

• 1:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't watch so much Bravo, Raina.

• 1:11Rayna Greenberg?

  You watch, Ashley, you always try to start this narrative. Like you don't watch Bravo. You watch Summer House. You've watched Vanderpump. You're in the culture. You know all the Southern Charm stuff. Like you are in the culture. You know enough to be dangerous.

• 1:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  I watch plenty of reality TV. I'm just, I'm more, I'm more elevated. No, I'm just kidding. Okay.

• 1:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. That's why you like all these shows about high school kids falling in love.

• 1:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what I'm into. That's my kink. Oh, I just did want to give a quick personal update. So we have another foster dog coming. As we record, I'm picking him up tomorrow. He's a little dog. I don't know why we keep getting a little dog. His name is Cody and he is hilarious looking. You guys will see. So go check him out right now. I'm sure as you hear this, I have him on my story, Ash Hess, and check him out. And that is going to be the new addition to the fam.

• 2:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm proud of you. This is the smallest dog. I mean, I can't even imagine you guys with this dog. Like I, it looks like a joke. I just think of you as like a big dog family and this is a little dog.

• 2:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we put in for two dogs because we can only do a temporary foster situation because we're about to travel. So sometimes they just need people to take over for a less than two week commitment. So two dogs on the email, Cody and Bodie. And Cody is a 12 pound Maltese mix and Bodie was a 60 pound pit. And I was like, we'll take Cody or Bodie. Just fingers crossed for the pity.

• 2:35Rayna Greenberg?

  You're a pit fan. Yeah.

• 2:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  We were like, we want that pity in our house. And they were like, we'll set you up with Cody. I'm like, why?

• 2:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley, if you ask me gun to my head, what is the last dog on earth I could imagine you being around? It might be a Maltese. Like I can't, it's not even Chihuahuas because like that would be ironic and funny, but like.

• 2:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's my least favorite. No offense.

• 2:57Rayna Greenberg?

  But they're funny looking. I just, a Maltese?

• 3:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  This Raina, no, this is special. Cody is special. There, there is something about him that is very funny. I'm not going to give it away because I want you guys to all go look, but Cody needs to speak to a manager and that's all I'm going to say. So you guys go check him out. Can't believe he's not a woman named Karen is all I'm going to say.

• 3:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I truly can't believe it. All right. Well, also I'm in Cincinnati tonight. If you guys want to come out to a comedy show, Andrew Collin and I are there. You get tickets at my website, rainagreenberg.com and I'll see you there tonight. All right. Well, let's thank our partners and then get into it. Thank you to Hinge. Download the dating app designed to be deleted and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, season five. Watch the all new season of the original Hulu series now streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus for bundle subscribers.

• 3:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to ButcherBox. Get $20 off your first box and free shipping plus your choice of steak in every box for a year at butcherbox.com/gge. And thank you to Revolve. Get 15% of your first order at revolve.com/gge with code GGE. And thank you to NoCD. If you're struggling with OCD, NoCD can help. Book a free 15 minute call to get started at nocd.com. So we are going to kick it off with a documentary report. Huge news coming out of the documentary world. If you know, you know. And we also wanted to recommend some documentaries that we have been watching. That's all I've been doing. It's just, there's been a lot of incredible content out.

• 4:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I feel like I've been watching documentaries like over anything else, over TV shows. And I don't like it because it's not bingeable. Like I need to watch nine episodes of something while I sit at home.

• 4:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 4:30Rayna Greenberg?

  That thing that has just been so exciting. So I am obsessed with Elizabeth Holmes. I was obsessed with Theranos and her whole journey. And I just love financial crimes in general. So Elizabeth Holmes, I guess, over living under a rock. She created this company, basically said that they could do 200 tests for different medical problems in one device. It was all a fraud. It was multi billions of dollars. She went to prison. And there is a new documentary coming out by Nathan Fielder about her called You Can See Everything. And the trailer just dropped and basically Nathan Fielder moved in with Elizabeth Holmes in the weeks leading up to her prison stint and lived with her and her husband and continued to film throughout her prison sentence. Her husband is featured in the second part of the documentary as well. And it is just sort of this commentary

• 5:13Rayna Greenberg?

  of like, what is true and what is not? I mean, she is one of the most polarizing figures in history. To watch her is so fascinating. She dropped out of Stanford at 19 years old and she got all of these people to invest in her company. It was like a $9 billion company. It was just a huge scam and this new documentary is coming out. I cannot wait to watch it.

• 5:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  So there's been books and other documentaries, the fictionalized show. Like there's just been so much, but nothing like this. And Nathan Fielder, I mean, I guess people can describe him in a bunch of different ways. Like he is kind of known for blurring the lines between satire and reality, high level, like what's he doing? And so there is that aspect. Like I feel like he kind of notoriously fucks with people.

• 5:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 5:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  But now he's the one who's getting mind fucked on this. So I read this quote from him. They just debuted this at Telluride Film Festival, but I think this was in the Deadline article. It said, Fielder himself seems baffled by it all, stunned that an innocuous idea turned into a three year trip into the mind of Elizabeth Holmes. No holds barred or expected. His quote is, what I am really excited about is for you to see the movie and tell me what I experienced, he said during a Q and A following the first public screen at Telluride. I don't know why they wanted me there. Why am I there? It's just crazy. Like, it's like when you come up with a crazy idea that it actually happens and that people pay for it and now everyone's going to see it. Like I, this man, this like brilliant man, like I mentioned, who's always just like, what's he up to? And what are, what's, what are we supposed

• 6:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  to get out of this? And what are his true intentions is over here? Like, I can't believe I did this either.

• 6:47Rayna Greenberg?

  He would be one of many that just don't really understand her. She is so fascinating. 19 years old. I mean, she had secretaries of state. She had the secretary of defense. She had Henry Kissinger. I mean, she had all of these really powerful, very experienced men investing in her company. Even to this day, nobody knows if it was kind of like well intentioned or not. Like if everything was a crock of shit. I mean, the whole company was a scam, but like, was it well intentioned? Did she mean to actually release this? I don't know. Maybe. But it's so fascinating to watch her. She is so polarizing. So I can't wait.

• 7:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know if polarizing is the word. Who likes her?

• 7:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, I think that the debate is like, what was the intention behind this company? So, you know, they sold this idea to Walgreens and they got, I don't know, hundreds of millions of dollars to put these products in Walgreens. They weren't ready to go. They lied about having military contracts, but like, was it like a lot of technology companies that they kind of fake it till they make it? And they thought by the time it would go into the marketplace that these things would work. Regardless, you're selling a medical device to people that needs to work and it was fraud. So I maybe polarizing is the wrong idea, but you look at her and I guess the intentionality behind what she was doing is debatable.

• 7:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I guess I thought everybody was like, she's a fraud, but let's not punish her more than all the terrible men that are ruining the country and ruining the world. I thought we were like all in agreement on that. Yeah. I don't know if people are like Elizabeth Holmes was, had a good intentions. I think she always knew.

• 8:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I think in the beginning, good intentions, but yes, once she put these products into the marketplace, knew that she was lying.

• 8:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, I can't wait to see this. People are losing their minds over this. Like people are like, what do you mean? What do you mean? This is a thing that's we get to watch. So we are really excited for that. That really is the top documentary news. And secondly, so Netflix put out a documentary on Ray Gun. She is actually really polarizing, truly where like, I think people have split opinions. So she was the break dancer from Australia who performed at the Paris 2024 Olympics and had this insane performance that went totally viral. And I'd watched this documentary and it did answer the question of how the hell did this happen? Because I think when we saw this, we're like, how was she at the Olympics? How did this even happen? Was this a mistake? Was it rigged?

• 8:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  This and that. I was fascinated by it. And in the documentary, you see that she was a break dancer. She was a seasoned break dancer. I'm making air quotes as big as they can be, who did legitimately qualify for the Olympics, which clearly the qualifiers were a joke. And she knew she wasn't ready to be on the world stage and so did her husband. They're both delusional, but she went anyway. And what happened, happened. And I think people have mixed opinions on her for sure. But once again, like every doc or every reality show that comes out, like I am just completely rocked by how unhinged and cruel people are on the internet. Like I think when this happened, it was all fun and games. You know, like everyone's making fun of it and the memes. And then it turned into this, like people demonizing or harassing her, threatening her and her family. You know how it is. They

• 9:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  being up conspiracy theories that her and her husband rigged the Olympics. Like let's start an investigation, like crazy stuff. And I'm always just sickened by it. And when I see that happen, I'm so passionate about this, that that kind of is my primary emotion of like, what the fuck is wrong with these people get a life? This is supposed to sort of be her redemption. A lot of people don't see it like that. A lot of people are just like, Uh, we didn't need this and this just dug the hole even deeper. But whatever you want to think is your business, you know, I think people were disproportionately cruel to her. But she also shouldn't have done the Olympics and she is like delulu and so is her husband. But the thing I found the most interesting, Raina, is this is a spoiler alert. If you didn't watch the Olympics or you don't really know, or you want to be surprised in the documentary. But she did three battles on that stage in Paris.

• 10:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Snoop Dogg's there, the whole thing. First time breaks dancing is in the Olympics, obviously. She did three dance battles and she lost all of them unanimously, nine judges to zero. Like she was obviously that bad. She never should have been there in the first place. But the first two were bad, but they weren't like unhinged. And you would have been like, oh, she's bad and she shouldn't be here and how did this happen? So she loses them both unanimously. And then the third go round, she just goes fucking rogue. Her trainer doesn't know what she's doing. That's when we saw the kangaroo hops and the sprinkler and the like squirming around on the floor. Like she, her husband loved it, but if she just wouldn't have completely. No, Raina, he's crazy.

• 11:04Rayna Greenberg?

  A supportive king.

• 11:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's the most supportive husband yet. Like everyone's like, let a love like this find me on threads. You know, as much as they have like criticism, it's like, that's the thing. If she hadn't completely snapped, then I don't think it would have gone as viral. Like it may have gotten some traction, but it wouldn't have been what we saw, which was just totally insane virality. And I just found that interesting that she lost her goddamn mind.

• 11:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm not, I'm confused by how anybody got into the Olympics that is just like objectively bad. Like you have to watch it. That's why I watched it. Like I needed to know. Cause like you don't ever watch figure skating and think like, this isn't the best of the bunch, but it's objectively bad. Like there's nothing bad in the Olympics. That's the point of the Olympics. It's like going to Harvard. Like there's nobody bad there. How did this happen?

• 11:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Shashank thought he didn't care. And then as I put it on, he grabbed his laptop to make a statement that he would not be paying attention. He would be doing stuff on his laptop. And sure enough, he watched that whole thing because you are fascinated by how did this happen?

• 12:00Rayna Greenberg?

  That's, that's how I feel.

• 12:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So, and it's an hour, it's an hour and 12 minutes or whatever. So the outcome was no more breakdancing in the Olympics. And so people kind of think this is why, but I did just want to share that I didn't totally realize this, that host countries can pick new sports. Like there are the core sports and then there's temporary additional sports. So Paris added that. Paris was like, let's bring in breaking.

• 12:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Paris? Paris, the least breakdancy place on earth.

• 12:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what I'm saying. Besides maybe Australia. No, I'm sure there's amazing B-girls and B-boys in Australia.

• 12:29Rayna Greenberg?

  They have rhythm in Australia. I don't think Paris rhythm.

• 12:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Anyway, I just wanted to give this update that a lot of people think it's because of the Reagan controversy, but it's not. And LA had locked in their sports before this happened. And it says Paris added breaking for 2024, but Los Angeles has chosen other events for 2028, like flag football and squash.

• 12:48Rayna Greenberg?

  Flag football, fake football, tag.

• 12:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Kids football.

• 12:52Rayna Greenberg?

  LA added tag.

• 12:56Rayna Greenberg?

  You know why? Cause it's, it's a city that doesn't care about sports. Okay? It's just not a fun sports city.

• 13:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, but breakdancing in LA would have been so dope or any other type of dancing. Why was that the first dancing we've seen outside of ice dancing? But like, it just was a weird choice.

• 13:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Making TikToks should be an LA Olympic sport.

• 13:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Not the influencing Olympics. That's just living in LA. That's the US Open actually, which we will talk about.

• 13:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Walking down the street. Okay. Well, there's a couple of other docs out. We just want to recommend them. We won't go too hard on the rest of them. But I think I did not think I'd care that much about, and I love Travis Barker, Louder Than Fear on Hulu. It was filmed over the course of almost a decade of his life. And there's so many different cameos between musicians in this. And I just thought like, I don't really care about drumming and I was wrong. It was so much nostalgia for me about Blink 182. And they don't really even do Kourtney Kardashian until the very end. I also forgot that Travis Barker was one of the original MTV like reality stars. He's had a really fascinating life and music career and he's collaborated with so many people. And I loved it start to finish. It was just full of so much music history and I absolutely, Ashley, Ashley recommended it to me. I wouldn't have even turned it on.

• 14:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that one was Shashank too. He, I mean, he loves drumming and he loves Blink 182. And the very first night we hooked up, May 20th, 2023, the next night they were going to Blink 182 in Boston, like at, at the Garden, I assume. And the other garden, TD Garden. And like, I was like thinking to stay and going, but there was like no tickets left, like they didn't have an extra ticket. But it's like, he's a really hardcore, long time fan. And I love anything music nostalgia related. I really loved it too. I found it really well done, really inspiring. Yes, Kourtney is in like the fourth quarter and there's this beautiful message about their love and how she helped him overcome his fear. But I also had forgotten how awful that plane crash was. It was 08. It was a really long time ago. And like, at the time, I don't think we really knew who else was totally in the plane and their connections.

• 14:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Or, or maybe we did and I just forgot, but they, they get into that and just how traumatizing that was and the survivor's guilt he had, the way they did it. I thought they did a great job.

• 14:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. So another two that we also liked, Death of a Pastor's Wife on Netflix. It's three parts. It's about this religious community, this church, this young girl gets involved with this pastor. She marries him and then it's sort of his behavior towards her and her ultimate death in the end is sort of what we explore throughout. And you know, what the church community tolerates and does not tolerate. And it's an interesting watch.

• 15:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  This one is shocking in so many different ways. It starts hot with how they even get together and she was groomed and then it just gets darker from there. It is like very disturbing. I did watch it. I don't know if I liked it. I don't, I am like, do I recommend it or not? It is on the darker side, but I did watch it, but I'm just like, it made me mad, I guess. Like it makes me mad. So on the flip side of that, we have maybe my favorite documentary I have seen in recent years. I loved this so much. So this is Welcome to the Family on Hulu, recommended by Raina. We were all in the Hamptons last week and Raina was like, hey, I heard about this. Let's put it on. So this documentary chronicles this 2014 murder of this Florida State University Law Professor, Dan Markel.

• 16:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then the 11 year investigation into who was responsible and his ex-wife's wealthy, overbearing, insane family. The reason why I think this is one of the favorite documentaries I've seen in a while, it's also four parts. You get a little more than some, some others. It is so satisfying. Like I just, that's all I'll say. I don't want to give spoilers. I didn't know about this case. So I was surprised the whole time watching it. I think one of the reasons I was able to enjoy it is because the subject matter wasn't so disturbing. Like I think these documentaries are getting like darker and darker. Like yes, this man was killed. It's horrific. It's sad. It never should have happened, but it wasn't so gruesome and grisly. There's not sexual assault. There's not child abuse. There's not trafficking.

• 16:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  It wasn't like a picture of the world we live in today. It was just like a straightforward murder case.

• 16:46Rayna Greenberg?

  It was just like, did this guy's wife or his family kill this guy?

• 16:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  But like the family's involvement and like, I just was like, why is this more enjoyable than a lot of the other documentaries? And it's because of that. It was just because of the subject matter. It wasn't so disturbing.

• 17:00Rayna Greenberg?

  You know what's so funny to me about this is that, the murder. No, I'm just kidding. So the whole time they're, they're teasing like there's something so sinister about this family. You're trying to figure out, did his ex-wife's family put a hit out on him? That's the whole documentary and all about like how crazy this family's relationship was with each other. And they just seemed like Florida Jews to me, the whole documentary until the very end. But like, it was just like the mom, where she was hyper involved in all of their lives. And she was super controlling about who they dated and what they did for work and all of their life choices. And I was like, this sounds like every Jew on planet earth. You guys are playing sinister music to make it sound sinister. This is my mom, every Jewish mom on planet earth.

• 17:41Rayna Greenberg?

  This is every Florida Jew and every mom on earth. It just, it really made me laugh. They tried to make it sound so crazy and then, you know, you'll decide for yourself at the end. I won't give it away, but it was just very funny. It was normal family dynamics to me.

• 17:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina was like, what's the problem here? I don't see. But the main thing that stood out in this documentary is the creative and honestly unnecessary choice to use these little cake topper dolls throughout. So the whole imagery and the visuals they use throughout to illustrate what's happening. This wedding cake and these cake, faceless cake toppers. And you guys, it's so stupid. It's so stupid. And I don't know if it was supposed to add levity or creepiness, but I guess a little bit of both, because we made fun of them the whole fucking time. And then there's maggots pouring out of the wedding cake. We didn't need the maggots. That was disgusting. But the cake toppers, Raina, it's so, I couldn't stop making fun of them. At one point I was like, the cake toppers are in a bowl of pasta. Like they went to this Italian restaurant and they put the little dolls in the pasta.

• 18:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  At one time I'm like, the dolls are in the martini, like, and then the one guy, he was wearing a crown cake topper. Cause he's in the Latin Kings. Raina goes, why is he wearing that crown? I said, cause he's in the gang, the Latin Kings. Like they, but they didn't have faces. And you guys have got to watch this for the cake toppers.

• 18:52Rayna Greenberg?

  They put the cake toppers in a hot tub, like it was.

• 18:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  The hot tub.

• 18:55Rayna Greenberg?

  Every time they referenced anybody in this family, which is about eight or nine people, plus the criminals, like 10 people. They flash the dolls, like, like you're not sure what a person looks like. So they're like, let's remind people what people look like with these faceless cake toppers. None of them had a face.

• 19:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I like understand and support creativity and like little things these documentaries do. By the way, Travis Barker, there's a scene where he's talking about the crash and then they show him drumming and the flames. And it's a lot. It is a lot. It is very intense. Like, but it was a creative decision that was made. And I guess it could have enhanced his story, but you watch these and you're kind of like, did they need to do this? And the cake topper dolls, no, but it did make us laugh a lot and I had fun making fun of it. So if you guys watch, you got to see it. I, a friend slid in my DMs when I posted on my story. She was like, I'm influenced. I'm watching this tonight. And then two hours later, she's like, Ashley, these fucking cake toppers. I was like, I know. She was like, the guy with the crown, he was in the Latin Kings. I was like, I know. Wait till they're in the pasta.

• 19:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't understand what the point of this is when people do this. I, I don't even really like reenact.

• 20:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 20:01Rayna Greenberg?

  When you're doing a documentary and they like flash to reenactment, I don't need, I'm not so stupid. I can't figure out what people look like. I can't imagine what something looks like, anything cartoonish. I don't need like dolls. I, I'm part of society. I know what people look like. You could flash to a photo of these people. It just, it really dumbs it down in a way that I don't need, but I was so happy they did it this time.

• 20:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  You don't need it. We are here because we care about this case or not. And even in Raygun, when they show her final performance on the Olympics, they are intersplicing it with her doing it like kind of on a set. And it's all dark and moody and I didn't want that. I want to remember what she fucking did at the Olympics that was so out of pocket. Like I just, the decisions that are being made on some of these documentaries, I just are so unnecessary. And it feels like just, I don't know, someone trying to flex or like someone trying to show off.

• 20:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I always wonder, I mean, you and I talk about this when we see, I mean, there's been some commercials lately that were a little crazy. You're like, how did 10 people sit in a room and all sign off on this? Like, is there like one director of all these things? There's just a monster and nobody can reason with this person. Like, how did the dolls get made? Who, like the people recreating this documentary, like no one was like, you know, this is stupid. Having to go back to this every, every four to five minutes is stupid. Trust the audience to know what people look like.

• 21:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  And also who's in charge of the dolls and making the sets and the pasta and the hot tub? It's just like, this is a waste of time and money and resources.

• 21:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Who gets to keep the dolls? Like where are the dolls now?

• 21:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I would buy one of those dolls just because they're like little mini celebrities in our minds. We had so much fun making fun of these fucking dolls. So anyway, those are the documentaries and watch what you want, but we are all sat for this Elizabeth Holmes documentary in October.

• 21:42Rayna Greenberg?

  In October. Yeah.

• 21:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 21:44Rayna Greenberg?

  All right. Well then we'll just take a quick break. We actually have some more TV stuff to talk about with you guys, but we'll talk about our partners. I am telling you guys about Hinge. Truly, you hear I say it time and time again, our favorite dating app. We know so many people have success stories from this. We just went to a wedding from two people that met on Hinge. And I think a lot of people now work from home. They don't go out as much. You need a way to facilitate meeting other people. And Hinge really does that better than any other dating app that I have personally seen. The way the profiles are set up, they're just made to produce conversation. They say that is the app that's meant to be deleted. They really want you to meet people. They want you to post great photos. They post these prompts. They are supposed to encourage connection and start your dating journey and allow you to talk to somebody.

• 22:28Rayna Greenberg?

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• 23:02Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 24:28Rayna Greenberg?

  So Alex Earl's much anticipated show, Earl meets world with her family is out. All episodes are out on Netflix right now. You know, we talked into it. They teased a lot of tea about Alex Earl and Braxton's split. And also most, um, most highly publicized was that you were going to get this tea about Alex Cooper and Alex Earl's podcast breakup. I don't know. It's still kind of felt, listen, if you like the show, good for you.

• 24:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, did you watch any more past the first episode?

• 24:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I only watched the first episode with you and then some stuff about Alex Earl. And I watched a lot of clips about the Alex Cooper, Alex Earl stuff.

• 25:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Yeah. I just, this show didn't really do it for me. I think that our bar of the Kardashians is high. And you know, I'm again, I'm not like so obsessed with reality TV. So I don't need to watch every single thing. So it really does have to grab me. I mean, we felt like in the first episode, some of these scenes like felt forced, but it's not that I find them unlikable. And I think the family is fun and I'm sure that it just gets better over time. Like this is a brand new show. Like they're just seeing what works. So it's probably not for me, but people seem to like it. Like we could certainly amplify worse families. So I just don't know. They don't have the type of fun that we saw on the Kardashians.

• 25:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like it's just different, but that's, that's also what we're still talking about, like millennial versus Gen Z. And I think that the younger siblings are funny and you know, I don't know. A lot of it's obviously a lot about like Tik Tok and influencers and the dad's the manager. And I just don't really have anything bad to say about any of these people. The show itself just didn't really grab me. Before the show aired, Alex Earl released this text message that she said she was thinking of sending to Alex Cooper. And that was really telling of just like, you took advantage of me and you're a snake and fuck you, basically.

• 26:19Rayna Greenberg?

  So I wonder what you think about this. I, this is not an original thought. I saw somebody else say this on Tik Tok that like an influencer at this level cannot have a reality TV show, that you can't be both. And I was thinking like, why was the Kardashians so incredible at, at the beginning? And social media just wasn't what it was today. Like I don't know that people feel empowered to be as silly and themselves and unedited on television. Now, when they have these massive followings, like I don't know that you're ever really going to get what you want out of somebody who's already so famous. They have too much of a brand to protect. Alex Earl, I mean, she's highly invested in tons of companies.

• 26:58Rayna Greenberg?

  She probably has a pretty big staff at this point that works for her. And it would just be hard to be your authentic self and you'd be your ridiculous silly self. And then you add that your family is on this with you. I just don't know that I'm going to get like the satisfaction that I want from it. Also, I don't know that I'm necessarily the audience to watch 25 year olds on TV. It's, I'm 41.

• 27:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I, I think it's just a different time, different type of family. Like the Kardashians got famous because of the show. They weren't already famous going into the show. We did not have the social media and the bullying and the judgment and all the things that we have today. I think that everything you're explaining is just a representation of the way the world has changed.

• 27:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 27:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, in a kind of a bummer of a way. So I think that we watched this realness of the Kardashians, think they were messier. You know, we were talking about, we were like Kim, what Courtney and Kim threw each other against the wall. There was like self tanner on the wall. You know, we would see crazy stuff and like the way they made fun of each other and they were just more unfiltered. And I think they cared less. And then the show changed and they got so famous. And now you're watching one of the most famous families in the world do things like go to the Met Gala. And then that is like entertaining in its own right. It's like, we kind of saw their realness and their come up. And then now we get to watch them living this, you know, quote unquote aspirational lifestyle that very few people get to live if you're into that kind of thing too.

• 28:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, there's been really two iterations of the Kardashians and I don't really watch it anymore. I've gone back and forth on their Kardashians. I just want to like, say that I respect the show and in terms of like a family reality show, that's the top and that's who raised us. So it's hard. If you want to compare them, they don't compare, in my opinion.

• 28:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I also like your, your point that like, if we're going to platform somebody, I think Alex, Alex Earl seems nice. I think she brings some positivity to the world, pretty unproblematic. Her family and family members seem to really love each other and support each other. It seems to be a family business. There's worse people we could put on TV. It's probably not something I'm going to watch long-term. I felt like I wanted like more concrete details about what happened with Alex Cooper and a bunch of situations where like, we could be like, whoa, that's crazy. But also I'm just like, maybe this is a nice opportunity to not give more examples where we pit more women against each other and drag other women. And like, it was just sort of like a lob to me of like, all right, Alex Earl was really young when she got into this.

• 29:20Rayna Greenberg?

  It didn't work out with Alex Cooper and we can kind of move on from it without dragging either one of these women so hard.

• 29:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Just like, let it rest, you know, and people, whatever, who people will get what's coming to them. I just say that in a general sense, you know? Or not, but I just think, you know, it's just, I also just want to give grace to a first time show. They're trying a thing, you know? I'm sure it gets better throughout the season. I can't speak on the whole season. If you guys watch it all and you really think it gets so much better, just, you know, drop it in the comments. But otherwise it wasn't, you know, didn't hook me.

• 29:52Rayna Greenberg?

  All right. Well, something that has hooked me, has hooked us, has hooked the nation now is Oreo gate. We'll tell you guys a little about this situation. This is just sort of gone viral. It was a situation about a mom group. There's a text message chain and people, people have opinions. So basically one mom drops into the mom group text chain. My daughter mentioned that somebody brought Oreos to school today. I'd like us all to agree to please not pack Oreos in everybody's lunches. And one of the moms is like, wait, is she allergic? And she's like, no, I just, I don't let her have candy or chocolate. And I just don't want that packed in people's lunches. If you could please not. And I actually found some of the moms to be more polite than I would have been.

• 30:33Rayna Greenberg?

  But the moms were just sort of like respectfully, no, respectfully, I appreciate it. So then this mom escalates it to the school and she emails the principal and she says, you know, I would like to have a schoolwide list of yeses or noes. Sent out of what we're allowed to bring and not bring. And people have gotten hyper involved in this because this is like a level of hypersensitivity. And helicopter parenting, what other people do with their children, what they feed their children. This is not like, hey, somebody packed a swastika in their lunch and I'd like you to maybe not pack that.

• 31:10Rayna Greenberg?

  It's a sweet treat. I think that you need to teach your children that they can be around things that they don't like. They can manage it in a healthy, productive way. Like, I don't even like the lesson that you're communicating to your child that they should have these type of boundaries.

• 31:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. Listen, we are gonna talk about parenting. I usually never do, because I have no authority. I'm not a parent. But I, first of all, want to say that I was addicted to Oreos as a kid, and my parents did not know what to do about it. But it certainly wasn't this, because I would come home and eat a sleeve of Oreos, all 13 or whatever. My parents really did not know what to do. And they started trying to lie to me that I was gonna get some disease. Like, they really didn't know what to do. So I do understand. But it's such bad parenting on so many levels. Like you said, like, to teach your children, you're supposed to teach them to manage their emotions in triggering situations. Like, you're setting up them for failure by being this restrictive. Like, what does this look like in the future for this kid? She can't go to anyone's house. She can't go on a date. She can't go to college, certainly. She can't go to a party. She can't get her own apartment.

• 32:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, how can you raise your child like this? And also, this girl, this is how you create a kid with an eating disorder, or just a food obsession, when you're this restrictive. Like, this little girl's gonna go out into the world and spend her entire allowance on Oreos, because they've restricted it. Like, when you forbid stuff, it's crazy to me when you try to forbid, like, sexual content, or alcohol, or certain foods, and then you send your kid to college. I mean, maybe you don't. Maybe you don't allow them to. But I find that type of parenting just wild, because of what you're setting your kid up for. And now I'm going to, like, a whole tangent. We're talking about a little girl and Oreos. But it's just indicative of what's to come.

• 32:49Rayna Greenberg?

  It's funny that you, you honed in on the food stuff. I honed in on the problem solving. So you're teaching your child that, like, if you don't like something, it's not that you need to learn to manage something you don't like. It's that the world around you has to change. It's that everybody around you has to change their behavior. And this is not behavior that is reasonable to change. Like, there's nothing that a parent could put in their lunch for children that I would say that you have a right to say, please don't bring this, no matter what it smells like. I don't know that you really have the right to ask other parents to do this. But, like, cookies are a pretty basic baseline of, like, kids are gonna have this. And if you have a problem with this, if we don't eat this at home, if we don't believe in things that aren't, like, organic and grown in the ground at home, you need to teach your child how to manage being around stuff they don't like, that no one else has a reason to change.

• 33:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  And Ava, that's the kid's name. This is not Ava's fault. This is her parents' fault. So they need to do better. The text chain, one of the moms, Charlotte, the mom's name Michelle, the mom that said no Oreos, Charlotte, another mom in the group chat, goes, I mean, I sent the Oreos, laughing emoji, to the whole chat, to the whole chat, not, not side texted. So Michelle goes, oh, okay, would you mind maybe not sending them again? And Charlotte writes, why? Another laughing emoji. Michelle, just because Ava was really upset about it, and I think it would be easier if we're all consistent. Casey jumps in, I don't really think we can control what everyone else packs, though. Michelle, I'm not trying to control anyone. Michelle, exactly that's what you're doing. You're trying to control the whole school at this point. She said, I'm just asking everyone to be considerate.

• 34:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  And Charlotte, mic drop. With respect, I'm not changing my daughter's lunch because your daughter wants an Oreo. So it says, Raina, did you even see this? It says-

• 34:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course, I read every single text message.

• 34:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  That it said, this behavior inspired all the other mothers to pack two Oreos in their kids' lunches the next day, with one mom sending double stuff.

• 34:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, that is the reaction you're gonna get from people. Like, what do you want? You know what I really loved? So Alex Hodges, or Alex Bogman on Instagram now, I was watching her talk about, she has a parenting podcast, she's a friend of ours. She said, if my child came home and told me about the Oreos, I would tell them, don't tell me. I would teach them to learn how to manage things in their own time at the school. Like, I thought that was so funny.

• 35:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  That is so funny. Like, they're, or you, you teach them how to manage their emotions. Like, the thing I see the most about parenting, when I find myself in these spaces, is the number one thing you could do for your kid to set them up for success is teach them how to regulate their emotions. Because we all have emotions, certainly. We all want to act out, but you have to regulate them. And watching my brother and my sister-in-law raise these boys when they get a little worked up, and how they have them breathe, and just take a beat, and, like, regulate themselves. I mean, I could cry, because it's just, like, this is how this is. Like, this is such a teachable moment. Like, Raina and I have definitely taken two different parts of this. There's so many different aspects to discuss, but it's, really shows how you raise children to be in the world. And it's, like, sad, even

• 35:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  though it's funny. And I hope this is a teachable moment for Michelle.

• 35:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Michelle's gotta calm down. She's got core tits, okay? Michelle's group texting, everybody, please change what you do. All of you, all of you change.

• 36:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know what is so crazy? It's like, if you just let your kid have some of these things at home, you'd be in a much better place for her for the future. Because now it's so forbidden, it's so restricted, it's all she's gonna want. And she is gonna come across it. Even if this school decided to ban Oreos, there will be something else next year, or next week. You know, like, this is just such a slippery slope.

• 36:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I think we gotta teach kids how to exist in the world. And that is for two people that do not have kids.

• 36:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, everything we're saying is correct. I just know, it's really, like, not much of an opinion, like, this is how this works. And like, any, any expert or professional-

• 36:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I don't want to be around anybody that's never been taught how to deal with things that they don't like in the world. You can't just plug your ears and be like, I won't listen to this. I won't be around this. I don't care who you are.

• 36:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, let's just discuss another controversy, which is the US Open and influencers.

• 36:56Rayna Greenberg?

  So this is getting a lot of press at the US Open this year, which are currently going on. The finals will be this weekend. And people are kind of up in arms about influencers' behavior at the US Open this year. And there's been a couple of different clips that have gone viral of influencers using flashes, or being excessively loud during sets. I guess I'm wondering why there is so much hype around this. In general, influencer culture can be kind of intrusive, can be kind of annoying. I think people in general need to be respectful of the spaces that they're in, and not setting off flashes in restaurants if that's gonna bother people, and not being loud during what is probably a more quiet match, which is tennis and golf. But in general, this is the US Open every year. This is Wimbledon every year. This is every sporting event. This is everywhere you go, where you walk

• 37:40Rayna Greenberg?

  you take. So I'm curious what you think about why this is, I mean, other than just to, like, make a bunch of noise about something. Who cares?

• 37:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think some things happened that really maybe have not happened before, where influencers were disrupting quiet times. Like, the things that I saw maybe haven't happened in the past, like, where they were actually disruptive and against the etiquette that you're supposed to follow at the US Open.

• 38:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 38:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Which was, like, during the one point. And then this one, these influencers, they were all up in, like, their little suite, like, making this video. And it was so loud at a time that was supposed to be quiet. So maybe those things haven't happened before, and things are just getting worse. The ring light of it all. It's just the disruptiveness of it all. Like, certain things are actually happening that are, really do violate the etiquette of being there. Like, we support people who want to make content, put themselves out there. We say it all the time. Like, we both have made a living doing this.

• 38:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 38:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  To me, it just feels so rude, and privileged, and tone deaf to show up at an event, admittedly not caring about the sport, by the way, which I find pretty crazy when people just openly admit that. Disrupt people, and then not respect the etiquette. Like, that feels so crazy to me. Like, I think that we've all been to things that we don't necessarily feel passionate about. Like, I don't know, the Derby, that's different. It's just a different type of vibe. It's more of a party vibe. It's not, like, quiet tennis. You know, I think people go to the Derby to wear the hats and do the outfits. I think it's, like, it doesn't feel disrespectful to the sport. This is just a different kind of event. Like, if you're a woman, there are women here who have trained for this their whole lives. They're living out their dream right in front of you. There's points where you're supposed to

• 39:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  be quiet. And you're like, I don't care about tennis. I'm just here to serve with my fits. You know, like, I've just seen a lot of that content. And it feels, just, like, keep it to yourself. Like, show some respect that you get to be there for free. You know, real tennis fans, or if everybody's priced out of everything these days, you know, it feels kind of like, you just kind of look like an asshole when you're showing up and disrupting people. Like, I think the bare minimum, don't be disruptive. And, like, understand the rules of the game. Like, Naomi Osaka came out, and her quote was, I think, obviously, if you come to a sporting event, you have to respect the sport. And I feel like it's common courtesy to read up on the sport, especially the etiquette. I feel like it could be a good thing for people to make the sport of tennis popular to their specific audience. But I think it has to be managed a lot better, especially in the situation like my first round match, where they were disruptive, and they throw her off. Like,

• 40:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  this is crazy, that you could be throwing off the athletes. Like, you're lucky to be there. You have to behave. And so I think her point is, like, that it's good that influencers are promoting tennis to their audiences. Like, all this is good for the sport, but there has to be a line here. And now Wimbledon is not allowing influencer credentials.

• 40:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I saw that. And, I mean, I just think in general, I mean, it's the same, like, backlash over, like, the TikTok, no influencers sign, like, just don't be an asshole. Like, we are influencers. We've made money doing that. We think, I think it's an incredible way to make money. That's great, that you can, you can produce content that people love, and you make money, you make a living from it. I think, in general, there has just been a backlash against influencers and the behavior. And, yeah, it's annoying. It's annoying that I can't even walk down the street on the weekend without having to, like, swerve all these lines. I think that there should be, like, rules and regulations for all this stuff. I just thought it was sort of interesting that the US Open has become, like, the example people are using. Because I feel like this is just becoming, and has become more of a problem. And people, no matter where they are, have to be aware of

• 41:05Rayna Greenberg?

  their surroundings. And to your point, you know, people train for this their entire lives. So for 18 influencers to be making a TikTok all at the same time, chanting together, it's a lot.

• 41:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, the announcer had to come on and say, put the ring light away. Like, this is the first, at least, that we have been exposed to true breaking of rules, disruption from influencers. They've gone rogue. You know, like, did you see that? The announcer had to be like, you have to stop what you're doing.

• 41:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I wonder why this year, if they're saying it's worse than it's been in the past. Like, you know, the US Open and Wimbledon have always been influencer and celebrity central. And I wonder if people's behavior is just becoming even more, just, like, so much more entitled? Like, the levels of entitled is-

• 41:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maybe. People have got to stop it with this nonsense. Like, I don't know if you saw this ring light at the Ariana Grande concert. Like, someone had a giant ring light that was facing her, so also blinding the people behind her, in the dark at this concert. Like, it's, it's gotta stop. And you won't be able to bring ring lights in places anymore if you keep this up. You know? Like, you gotta behave, or your privileges are gonna get taken away.

• 42:11Rayna Greenberg?

  We can't have nice things anymore.

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• 44:47Rayna Greenberg?

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• 45:28Rayna Greenberg?

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• 45:53Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 47:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, we're going to give you guys your headlines and send you off into the week. So Phaedra Parks and her traitor's co-star, CT, have confirmed their romance. This is not a couple I ever saw coming.

• 47:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. Good for them. I just, it's so funny because I'm just like, Phaedra, things like this reminds you how old you are. Because I'm like, CT, isn't CT like 22? Because he was like on Road Rules when we first saw him for the first time. Like, I was like, oh, Phaedra, like got yourself a younger man. She, he's 46 and she's 52. Good for them. I love an unexpected couple. They basically hard launched on the red carpet of the Creative Arts Emmys and let them cook. Good for them. And listen, you know, I like seeing older love. It gives me hope.

• 47:49Rayna Greenberg?

  52.

• 47:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  52 and 46. We love that.

• 47:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Go on, CT. All right. Well, next, Donald Trump debuted a new haircut, new hairdo. Actually, let me wind this back. New hair color. It's something I never saw coming. It's brown.

• 48:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  He looks like he decided to go brunette for fall. Groundbreaking. And he took his usual yellow hair and gave it a brown hue. It doesn't match. Like Donald Trump had a whole color palette going on. Orange skin, yellow hair. Like this just is so jarring to see. But I don't know what he's doing. I mean, is this real?

• 48:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Why now? It's just, he's too old for a new hair color. It's been so many years of this. We've committed to it as a society, your skin color and your hair color. And then I saw also that it was back to the normal color by the end of the day.

• 48:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, so this is like a non-story?

• 48:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I think it, I mean, it is a story though. I mean, it looks crazy. He's a brunette.

• 48:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was just trying something out. You know, you can change your hair, but it doesn't change the fact that you're a rapist and a pedophile and you will go down in history as the worst leader to ever come into power in the United States of America. So change your hair all you want, but it doesn't change who you are.

• 49:03Rayna Greenberg?

  We'll still know who you are.

• 49:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bethany went to Burning Man. Bethany Frankel went to Burning Man. And once again, I was reminded that people pay to go to this.

• 49:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Every year, I'm like, this is my nightmare. This is an apocalyptic hell. And people are like, this is my dream. And if you, if you like it, I love that for you, but it couldn't be me. I am so amazed, actually, that people pay money to go to this. There's windstorms, there's floods. The whole thing is based on like trading, different stuff. I've never seen one video of Burning Man in my life that made Burning Man look fun. I mean, if you are capable of doing enough drugs to make Burning Man fun, then good for you. I love the outfits. I mean, truly, like I themed my whole birthday party around it last year. I love the outfits, but even I have a limit for where I will go for a theme.

• 49:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Every year, a new detail emerges that reminds me why this is my nightmare. Like, I think what, you wait in like, you wait in line for like 10 hours to get in?

• 49:57Rayna Greenberg?

  To get into the fairgrounds, yes. And it always floods. There's always a sandstorm.

• 50:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then you're there, it's your camper, like you can't keep the sand and the dirt like out of all of your things. Like your, people are fighting for their lives, but if this is what they want to do, the hell they want to spend their money, let them cook. But Bethany went, I don't know if she's made her full statement. I saw her speaking on it, like this is like a different universe. And like, I don't quite have the words yet. Like, I'm not a fan of Bethany, but I was like, I gotta check this out. And like, the memes are so funny and the goggles and her climbing on top of her RV. Like, it's just been totally insane. So I'm sure by this time she has spoken on, she's given her full statement, but I'm curious about it. Because I always want to understand the allure. I'm just curious.

• 50:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't have the stomach for it.

• 50:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then I've seen some things where these artists build this really incredible, these installations and things, and they're really meaningful and beautiful and special. And it's like, we don't see all that. You know, I think we just see like the partying and the sandstorms and all the things. But, you know.

• 50:54Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm sure there's value to it. It couldn't be me. Okay. I'm just, I'm too weak of a person and I need to be close to everything. Showers, running water, toilets, everything.

• 51:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Girl, it's not, we're never going to camp in any sense of the word.

• 51:08Rayna Greenberg?

  People are always like, what about, no, what about nothing? I'm sleeping in a bed.

• 51:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Absolutely. You wouldn't do that. Be one with nature. Just, I'm not coming. So the Lindsay Clancy trial, a mistrial was declared. This one juror, it sounds like there was a lot of problems and the other jurors were like, he's not getting it and he's said conflicting things and private and all this stuff. So this one man, they declared a mistrial. You guys have probably seen this. We don't need to get too much into it. As of today, though, her lawyer, Big Red, is that what they call him? He has basically appealed to Donald Trump for a pardon for Lindsay Clancy, who Donald Trump has in so many words said she's guilty, which is like also, he can't do. The president can't like influence a trial in that way. So people are saying this is strategic and

• 51:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Big Red is playing chess to get Donald Trump to speak on this, to bait him essentially. There's no way there will be another fair trial, basically. That's what people are saying. Because why else would they ask him for a pardon? He is not in support of her.

• 52:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. I think that like, if I was on trial, it's like, you might as well try. He's so stupid. I mean, you just might catch him on the right day. You might appeal to him in the right way. I mean, honestly, I'd rather go to jail than bargain with Donald Trump. But just, because I didn't really understand. A mistrial doesn't mean that she's acquitted. A mistrial just means that basically they can just try her again. But, but we'll see.

• 52:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  We'll see what they're doing. I think appealing to Trump is Crazy work. So they, it seems like they are making moves. And lastly, this might be my favorite headline of the week, the disruptive passenger, Lane Lundin, on an American flight. He was acting crazy. He was yelling slurs. I think he used the N word against a flight attendant and was making threats and they restrained him with zip ties and duct tape. You guys have probably seen this. It's all probably over your feed. I don't even know where to start with this.

• 53:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, the photos are insane. I know it wasn't all over my feed and the photos, he is duct taped so many times to the back of the seat.

• 53:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  They have his forehead duct taped. Did they even need to? It looks absolutely insane. And so he was zip tied first and it was two passengers who I think are ex cops, I believe. They were coming back from a gun expo. And so they took it into their own hands and helped duct tape him because I read that he was threatening to pull the emergency door. So he was like a threat. So they had to restrain him, zip tied him, taped him down, and then they had to do an emergency landing in Baltimore. They were going from Dallas to Newark, New Jersey, and they had to land in Baltimore and he got arrested. Like what I would have paid to witness this. Like we are not seeing people get duct taped enough.

• 53:51Rayna Greenberg?

  His ankles, his knees, his neck, his wrists, and then they duct tape his whole body like eight times to the seat. Like this is crazy.

• 54:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  And there's this one flight attendant standing there handing more tape. Like that would be me. Like, can I get another piece of tape? This is just so crazy. And like, does every plane have duct tape? Or do we need to start traveling with it just in case? Like, does every plane, what does every plane have to restrain their passengers? And by the way, this was on an American flight.

• 54:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course it was. Of course it was American.

• 54:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hear me out. I think it's giving United, the chaos that erupts on a United flight. But if it would have been American Philly flight attendants, they wouldn't have needed the help of those passengers. The Philly American flight attendants are the most savage, unhinged, in the best way. They would have handled this without any help.

• 54:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I think hog tying a passenger to a seat is so American. Like, nothing fun ever happens on Delta. This is an American.

• 54:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, but passenger wise, he's giving, he's giving United. But no, he's like, he's, but well, then again, if he's like a racist, he's going to fly American, you know, like that's the only airline he'd probably be comfortable with, but based on the name alone, you know? So this man has also, he was a realtor in Tucson and he has since been fired. So there is justice in the world. He was obviously arrested as soon as they landed in Baltimore, which, you know, an arrest in Baltimore just feels appropriate. And he has since been fired from his job and everybody knows who he is. You know, I'm glad that this happened, but it doesn't, is it legal? Can, do you, is it just like you could restrain someone if they need to be restrained at whatever means necessary? Ah, is it legal? Why would it not be legal?

• 55:33Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just the duct tape of it all. Like, I feel like I thought maybe planes, I think maybe I thought planes had something more high tech to restrain passengers. And as it turns out, it's just, it's tape. As a, as a federal aviation lawyer, I think that for the safety of the passengers, you gotta do what you gotta do. And maybe there aren't a lot of handcuffs on planes and weapons because they could be used by people for bad stuff. And so it's just like, you gotta use kitchen stuff, you know, like Saran wrap if duct tape is not available.

• 56:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Isn't this what air marshals for?

• 56:09Rayna Greenberg?

  But is there an air marshal on every flight?

• 56:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  On every flight? I guess there's not. And actually, I think there's been, there's less lately. I could be wrong. Um, cause I was curious about this too. Cause for anyone who's seen bridesmaids, you're always like, where's the air marshal?

• 56:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, there's thousands and thousands of flights a day. There like couldn't be an air marshal on all of them.

• 56:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So sometimes you need these ex cops coming from a gun expo out of New Jersey. So, you know, those are the heroes we needed in this moment. And he's been fired and he got what he deserved. So, uh, shout out to them.

• 56:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Okay, guys. Well, that's your snack. GirlsGottaEat.com. You can follow us at GirlsGottaEatPodcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Rayna Greenberg, RainaGreenberg.com for her tour tickets. She'll be in Cincinnati tonight and lots more tour dates over the fall. And you can watch full episodes on Spotify and YouTube. Subscribe, share with a friend and we will see you Monday.

• 57:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Have a good week, guys.

• 57:05Rayna Greenberg?

  Bye.

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