Ford’s Hot Rod Mini Truck, New G-Class Cabriolet, Super Bee Returns And More! THIS CAR POD! EP122

Have a question you want answered on the podcast next week? Ask HERE https://crsnbds.com/PODQUESTIONS Welcome to THIS CAR POD! Doug DeMuro & Friends offers weekly expert insight and opinion on breaking automotive stories, the car market, and audience Q&A. Thank you to our sponsors! Morgan & Morgan - If you’re ever injured in an accident, you can check out Morgan & Morgan. You can start your claim in just a click without having to leave your couch: https://www.forthepeople.com/DeMuro *Note - Client requires this as pinned comment as well. Chubbies - Your new wardrobe awaits! Get 20% off @chubbies with the code DOUG at https://www.chubbiesshorts.com/DOUG #chubbiespod Chapters: 00:00:00 THIS CAR POD! 00:00:16 New Convertible G-Wagon 00:06:00 The New Audi Q9 00:12:26 The New Honda Accord? 00:19:49 The New Honda Ridgeline 00:23:35 Dodge's Bee Hive 00:27:24 Ford And Geely Join Forces 00:30:46 Toyota Sequoia TRD Pro Gets A Facelift 00:37:14 Ford Maverick SV300T 00:42:32 Lamborghini Odometer Fraud 00:48:55 Talk Cars 00:50:31 Doug's Questions For Nick 00:51:12 Avants Fest 00:53:31 Filippo Sold His GTI 00:54:49 Nick's Car Sales 01:02:59 Market Report 01:06:11 2019 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 01:07:28 2022 Lamborghini Huracan STO 01:08:36 Rivian R2 01:13:24 Community Questions 01:14:23 What Dealers With Replace Ineos? 01:17:01 Would You Have Reacted Differently If the Luce Looked Like A Ferrari? 01:23:53 The Stig Says The Carrera GT Has. An F1 Engine, Is It True? 01:28:05 What Are Your Car Week Plans? 01:29:00 Is There A Car You Regret Your Parents Not Buying? 01:34:00 What's A Normal Car That You A Shocked To See On The Road? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:05Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 1:09Speaker 03

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:10Speaker 04

  I'm Nick.

• 1:11Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. There's a lot to cover. Let's start with the news. Mercedes-Benz has shown off a new G-Wagon convertible. This is not a surprise. They had announced this a year ago, and then a few months after that, they showed sort of a teaser image of the roofline. We all kind of figured it would look like this. And now they're showing another, it's still not like production-ready, but we have a pretty good idea of what it was going, is what it's going to look like. And Filippo, you pumped, dude? You putting down an order or what?

• 1:39Speaker 03

  So, I think this confirms that it's just G63, right?

• 1:43Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think it confirms that.

• 1:45Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:46Doug DeMuro?

  No, I don't think.

• 1:46Speaker 04

  I mean, the AMG license plate is a little bit of a teaser, but yeah, there could be a base model.

• 1:51Doug DeMuro?

  This particular photo of one is the G63, but I'm still holding out hope that they do an electric one.

• 1:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, because the U-technology has sold real well.

• 2:01Doug DeMuro?

  A base model with, you know, with the stronger-than-the-1980s look would be pretty damn cool, too.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  I'm so into that.

• 2:09Doug DeMuro?

  Nonetheless, it's gonna cost 300 grand, or 350, or god knows. I am no longer interested in it for a lot of reasons. Nick, are you, you're an SUV convertible man, are you pursuing it?

• 2:21Speaker 04

  If I had Doug DeMuro money, I might, but a little out of my budget.

• 2:25Speaker 03

  Interesting. I don't think we've learned anything new, because we knew what a G-Wagon looks like. We know what a G-Wagon convertible looks like. It's just a Mercedes build.

• 2:34Speaker 04

  The teaser images are great if you have literally zero imagination whatsoever. Otherwise, this is exactly what you expected it to look like, which is a G-Wagon with a convertible roof.

• 2:43Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I think it does, it does sort of, first off, the fact that it's a four-door, which we did know already. It does sort of give us credence into exactly how they've integrated it with the four-door. I mean, it's a little bit more detailed, and it's obviously, all of us have been around the two-door one for, you know, many times over many years. It's interesting to see. The third brake light thing, for example, is interesting, because I have my silly one that sort of sticks out from the back. It's interesting to see sort of some modern reinterpretation of it, but Filippo.

• 3:11Speaker 03

  We, like, the roof appears to come up, and then there's like a middle section that is quite long, but it doesn't reach all the, like, you can see where the, the actual, like, roofline starts, like, it seems like the convertible top will be all the way over you.

• 3:23Doug DeMuro?

  Ultimately, the problem with doing a four-door convertible is that there's a lot of problems with doing a four-door convertible. But one is that the roof is incredibly long, so I wonder if, yeah, there's a fixed point in the front, or, I don't know. We're gonna figure all this out. Filippo's gonna go on the press drive for this car.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Oh, I would love to.

• 3:39Doug DeMuro?

  In Salzburg, he's gonna go.

• 3:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, fair. It does, it does have a little Envoy XUV vibes in the back, but, no, I, I mean, it'll be cool, it's gonna sell well, it's an absolute no-brainer for them.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  Nobody knows.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  It'll sell fine. The G-Wagon is a status symbol. This ups the ante of it being a status symbol.

• 3:58Doug DeMuro?

  I am curious what it's gonna look like with the roof up. My car is kind of notoriously ugly with the roof up, my two-door old one, but I have a suspicion that if they really wanted to work it, they would probably try to make it look like a G-Wagon with the roof up, like an actual squared-off rear end.

• 4:13Speaker 04

  Oh, that'd be cool.

• 4:14Doug DeMuro?

  Like, really make effort to not make it look stupid with the roof up like my car does.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  It, it does have the benefit of your car has to have windows, right? The second rows there needs to have actual windows. This might not, to the same degree that.

• 4:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the Mercedes-Benz has been slow to adopt rear-view mirror cameras. However, the 4x4 squared G-Wagon does have a rear-view mirror camera, so it's totally possible that they're gonna integrate something similar into this car. However, every rear-view mirror camera I know about is integrated at the top of the rear window.

• 4:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, good point.

• 4:47Doug DeMuro?

  Which is current half. But we'll see, it'll be interesting. I know Sean's frothing at the mouth to order one in a bad color.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  Doug, Doug, the big question for you is, are you selling yours? And if so, do you sell it before this comes out to, like, capture the hype? Do you wait till after it comes out and people want the two-door version? What's, what's, how's this gonna impact the market for your Barbie G-Wagon?

• 5:08Doug DeMuro?

  I am definitely selling mine, probably in September. I do not care whether it's impacted by this or not, and I need to get out of it for a lot of reasons. None related to this, it's just time. You know, my family is growing, we have another child coming, and ultimately.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  Congratulations!

• 5:23Doug DeMuro?

  I've already made the announcement.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  I could have remembered. I thought I wagered the bet.

• 5:28Doug DeMuro?

  But I appreciate that. But anyway, I, we just, you know, the car's 27 years old, and it's just not, we, we're very demanding on our vehicles at this point, and it's, it's time.

• 5:41Speaker 04

  You're not a little, you're not a little worried this is gonna hurt your resale?

• 5:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, maybe. It doesn't matter to me, though. It needs to go regardless. My car needs to be sold regardless, so.

• 5:49Speaker 04

  When this comes out, standing off our 40K for your G-Wagon.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Ooh, generous.

• 5:54Speaker 04

  Which is about what the fixed roof variant is.

• 5:56Doug DeMuro?

  I think that there's something cool and special about the old car that will always be cool and special. And, by the way, with regards to hurting resale, you know, this, this new one is gonna be probably $100,000 more than my old one, even as special as it is. And that's if you can get one, and that's probably waiting another six months and all that. I think that this, this new G convertible is not exactly going to be budget-friendly like some Range Rover convertibles have been in the past.

• 6:23Speaker 04

  Right, for others. I've got some updates on that. Oh my god. But, yeah, no, I still thought this was the craziest purchase you've ever done, where you're just like, I'm buying a G convertible, and I'm like, I didn't know that existed, and then just the next day you showed up with it and told us what you spent, and I was like, holy moly, I can't believe this world exists.

• 6:41Doug DeMuro?

  I have, I've made some smart car decisions, you know what I'm saying?

• 6:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, it really was, in hindsight.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  I wanna quickly recap, the, the, based on a lot of the spy photos here, it does look as if there's a strip at the front that's actual, like.

• 6:54Doug DeMuro?

  It would almost have to be.

• 6:56Speaker 03

  Cover, and then there's like a bar at the back, and maybe some other panels. It's gonna be interesting to see.

• 7:00Doug DeMuro?

  Give us our next news story, please. Ah, yes, the Audi Q9. Nick, you pumped?

• 7:06Speaker 04

  I, you know what, I'm, I'm pumped because it meets my particular need, although I'm in a ton of Audi Facebook groups, and let me tell you what, there is a lot of all-caps boomers that are really upset about this. Because they still think Audi makes the TT, which they don't, the R8, which they don't. They think Audi is a sports car brand, which they're not anymore.

• 7:26Doug DeMuro?

  Or never, never were ultimately a sports car brand.

• 7:29Speaker 04

  I agree with that, too. Maybe you could argue that, like, the Ur Quattro days, even then, like, with the 4000, the 5000. Regardless, this is the ultimate mom mobile by Audi. It is a three-row SUV. It is not, and so the, the biggest complaint was, oh, it's a rebadged Atlas. It's actually got nothing in common with the Atlas, it's not on that platform. Yes, it probably is the same buyer, but it is not an Atlas, it is a unique vehicle. It's more, closer to a stretched Q7 than it is a Atlas.

• 7:58Doug DeMuro?

  The Atlas is the cheapest three-row, more or less. The Atlas buyer is very different from the Q9 buyer, considering the Q9 starts above $91,000.

• 8:06Speaker 04

  By the way, no, but, Doug, let me tell you something about America, all right? We finance things. So if you could stretch into an Atlas, you could stretch into a Q9, all right? You might need to do some shady stuff, but we could.

• 8:18Speaker 03

  By the way, for 27, the Atlas was redesigned, and it's notably more expensive. I think they want it not to be the cheapest one.

• 8:23Doug DeMuro?

  The Q9 looks really appealing to me. Base powertrain, at least here in the States, is a, is the turbo 2.9-liter V6 powertrain I do not love, 430 horse. You can get an SQ9 with 400, with 600, more or less 600 horsepower, it's gonna be pretty good. And it's finally a real competitor to X7 and GLS and all them.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, but it's basically that size and I assume it's bigger because Audi is assuming that that's where the next generation of both of those very old SUVs will end up. Great that Audi has done this. Here we are.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, it's kind of cool that it's the SQ7 is the twin turbo V8 that's in all the other high-performance Audi products. It's a pretty liked engine.

• 9:04Speaker 04

  SQ9, you got to get into it now mentally.

• 9:07Speaker 03

  I apologize. I apologize. SQ9. It's almost the length of an Escalade, not an Escalade long, but Escalade regular. There's a couple of cool things, right? They've done a bunch of cool lighting things. Like, they're very proud of their, like, matrix, taillights and headlights. There's also, when you turn the turn signal on, there's like a projector beam that comes out of the side of the headlight that projects on the ground, like, arrows in a direction you're gonna turn, which is surprising.

• 9:31Speaker 04

  Lighting gimmicks have been Audi's playbook since the early 2000s. And I'm not even mad about it. It's just like, it's, remember the V10 S6 came out with the cool LEDs down below and the sort of the pattern and the B8 A4. So, like, they've been on top of that, like, for whatever reason, they realize it works and they're just recycling that. But I do think it's a good-looking car. They had shown us some teasers, like, we knew what it was gonna look like at this point, but the first real-life example came out yesterday when we, so Tuesday, rather, of this week. The other thing interesting about it is it is primarily for the North American market. So, despite being a German brand and all that, and this built in Europe, they're thinking of America first when they're building this car.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, including towing capacity, which is relatively a little bit over 7,000 pounds.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  Almost 8,000, actually. 7,700.

• 10:20Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I'm reading a quote, I'm reading a quote from their head exterior designer, and he says, "It looks a little different from other Audis, smoother surfaces because, quote, 'we wanted to express sovereignty.'" That is a quote.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  Oh, my god.

• 10:35Doug DeMuro?

  I presume he thinks over the model line and not just, we assume sovereigns will buy the vehicle, but nonetheless, "we wanted to express sovereignty."

• 10:43Speaker 04

  That's legit. That's wild. They are doubling down, and it's their flagship SUV, it's their top-of-the-line, yada, yada, yada. But I would disagree that it really looks fundamentally different than any other Audi. It is immediately recognizable as an Audi.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  The front is the same as a Q7, just about.

• 10:59Doug DeMuro?

  It also just generally kind of has, it's, actually, in this photo, I think it looks a little different, but from the rear, it's got a lot of Q6 in it. Nonetheless, it certainly is, you know, it's gonna be a big ol' thing. And three rows.

• 11:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:13Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Q7 has always been kind of this weird stopgap. It was like a Volvo XC90 size, a little bigger than an X5, you know, with the three rows. They kind of managed to make it work. You wonder how they'll go with Q7 now. The rational thing would have been, when you're redesigning Q7, do you bring it upmarket? We already know there's another, a new Q7 coming, but like, where does that end up? Where does that end up, you know, falling? Now you have kind of two, three-row SUVs in the same showroom. That'll be an interesting thing.

• 11:38Speaker 03

  But that's also been true. I mean, when the Q7 came out, it was intentionally bigger than the X5. And the GLA, at the time BMW didn't have an X7, the GLS kind of existed. It's like, it plays in between. A lot of Audi's products do kind of straddle the line. I will say, this starts, it'll be for sale in Q4 of this year. The regular Q9 starts at $89, which is $2,500 cheaper than a GLS 450. It's seven, excuse me, eight grand cheaper than the cheapest Escalade. So they're still kind of going for a little bit of an in-between price.

• 12:07Speaker 04

  And like any Audi flagship, it's gonna depreciate like a bookbag of rock. So, we, you know, a couple of years from now, you can choose between this and a GLS for about a third of sticker.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:16Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, that's true.

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• 13:56Doug DeMuro?

  All right, next news story, please. Ah, yes. What is this?

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Okay, so Honda has shown what is likely to be the next generation Accord, their hybrid Accord concept. But they've also said that they're planning on building an Accord SUV hybrid, that everybody's interpreting as kind of playing like the Outback, cross-tour space. So a couple of generations ago, there was Accord cross-tour, which was, by the way, probably Honda's best product at the time. Based on all the reviews, like, it fixed a lot of the Accord's issues. It just looked atrocious.

• 14:28Doug DeMuro?

  Horrible. That is like, that is like a deep, like, brown diesel manual wagon car enthusiast take.

• 14:34Speaker 03

  No.

• 14:35Doug DeMuro?

  Any actual belief of any being.

• 14:39Speaker 03

  Everybody complained of that generation Accord for having road noise issues and that being kind of the biggest shortcoming. The Accord cross-tour fixed that. It added a bunch of luxury and sad, deadening, and kind of fixed that problem.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  The cross-tour was an affront to everyone's eyeballs.

• 14:52Speaker 03

  It wasn't pretty. It wasn't pretty, but it was practical.

• 14:54Speaker 04

  That is not, that is not, it wasn't just not pretty, it was truly heinous.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, hopefully this one will be better. This is not the SUV concept, it's just a regular Accord hybrid concept. There'll be an SUV kind of playing in the Outback space.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  I, I'm sorry, I'm so, this is like saying the Aztec was a great car other than its looks. Like, it's a big butt.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  There's an argument to be made.

• 15:15Speaker 04

  There is a decent argument to be made, but like, the looks were so bad that it completely tanked the car.

• 15:20Speaker 03

  The cross-tour wasn't beautiful.

• 15:21Speaker 04

  It was, just say that it was awful and we can move on. Wasn't beautiful.

• 15:25Doug DeMuro?

  The irony of the cross-tour, to me, is that it sort of predated the teardrop shape that so many EVs have now adopted as kind of the norm. And I think that that car and the ZDX, which got so much hate for their looks, they're not that different from Model Y and all these other EVs, Maki. It's really not that different. Certainly on a, from a profile, it's basically the same.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Agreed. But Edmund's data shows that apparently that the Outback is, for consumers that are leaving Honda, customers that are leaving Honda but not for like a directly competing nameplate, the Outback is one of the top 10 that they're leaving for. And so it makes sense to maybe play in that space, especially as Outback has gotten more SUV. We'll also note a couple of other pieces of Honda news. They're planning on going all-in on hybrids with the next generation of products. It's likely that the Accord, the CR-V, and the Pilot will all go hybrid-only for their next generation.

• 16:22Doug DeMuro?

  Again, you gotta assume Odyssey will.

• 16:24Speaker 03

  You gotta hope. Yes, I'm sorry, I didn't obviously expect it also.

• 16:28Doug DeMuro?

  We found out that Odyssey is heavily delayed because of their whole EV investment money spend thing, but you gotta assume Odyssey goes fully, or goes hybrid too. So, everybody's doing hybrid, Nick. How, you pumped about that? Here you are.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  Oddly, the Q9, there's no plans for a plug-in hybrid, which is what I want, but I understand it's not that.

• 16:46Doug DeMuro?

  What do you want? You want a plug-in hybrid? Hey, Nick, you want a plug-in hybrid? Yeah? Let me ask you a question, bud. You're looking for a plug-in hybrid. What, where are you looking? You, you looking at Q9 plug-in hybrids, you must be looking at like Escalades, Range Rovers, GLSs, or were you at the Mazda store looking at CX90s?

• 17:04Speaker 04

  We were at the Mazda store. Actually, I have, there's four cars in our segment. So we went the smallest SUV that has three rows and a plug-in hybrid of at least 20 miles.

• 17:15Speaker 03

  Mitsubishi Outlander plug-in hybrid.

• 17:17Speaker 04

  Yes, the Outlander, the CX90, the Kia Sorento, and the XC90. I, my wife and I both like the XC90. Other than, every mom in our school has it, and it just, it's also the most expensive.

• 17:31Doug DeMuro?

  Well, there's a reason for that. What about, hey, Nick, what about the, is the Santa Fe, or is this only?

• 17:37Speaker 04

  It's just regular hybrid. We went full EV mode because most days we're driving like 10 miles tops, and it would be great to never use.

• 17:43Doug DeMuro?

  The Sorento was offered as a plug-in hybrid, but the Santa Fe is not. So, is the Sorento built in Georgia?

• 17:49Speaker 04

  That is not an important criteria, so I don't know.

• 17:52Doug DeMuro?

  You don't care about whether you're buying American, Nick? You don't care? Filippo's out here, Filippo's out here going through documents from, from months ago on his computer.

• 18:03Speaker 04

  I have four, I have four options. I can't be picky about where it's produced. I don't think any of them are probably produced in America.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  Sorento plug-in hybrid is built in South Korea.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:13Doug DeMuro?

  The Sorento plug-in hybrid is built in South Korea? Oh, Nick!

• 18:16Speaker 04

  Well, the Mazda, the Mitsubishi and, and the Volvo are also not built in America. So it's, it's kind of a moot point here.

• 18:24Doug DeMuro?

  After all the stuff you say on this podcast about certain political beliefs and that sort of thing, you're gonna end up buying a car built out of our great.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Wait, no, no, wait, I, I, wait, I apologize. I apologize for other markets that's built in South Korea. According to Bridgewater Kia's website, Kia dealer, the Sorento plug-in hybrid is assembled in West Point, Georgia.

• 18:45Doug DeMuro?

  There you go, West Point!

• 18:46Speaker 04

  All right, well, then that settles it. Doug, you'll, you'll appreciate too, I am working deals so hard here. So I have a friend who's a sales rep at Volvo and he's getting me manager specials. My neighbor's brother-in-law's son works at a Kia dealership in Gilbert/Mesa, Arizona. I'm working with them, like, we're, we're gonna get a killer deal on this car regardless of what we get. And then we're looking at like slightly used ones that have, like, one has 1,200 miles and is on its third owner, which might be a red flag to a lot of people, but to me, that says, I got a deal coming, baby. My goodness. By the way, a lot of conflicting information on where it's built.

• 19:26Doug DeMuro?

  The other day, for those of you who are watching, the other day Nick texted our group chat, our friend car group chat, and he was, he was talking about cars he was looking at, and I was like aghast that he hadn't even asked me for my take because I've actually.

• 19:37Speaker 04

  That was my favorite part.

• 19:38Doug DeMuro?

  I've gotten all these press cars, like, all, I've driven all of these cars, like, real distances as press cars. And of course, Nick, Nick doesn't know anything about new cars. So then we get two more exchanges down in this thing, and Nick told me that it has to be a plug-in hybrid, but they were gonna do an R1S, but then his wife dismissed it because she thinks it's ugly or something. Well, the R1S is not a plug-in hybrid and we're dismissing cars because we think they're ugly. I was like, I'm out. I don't want any part of this anymore, actually, which is nothing to give.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Exactly why you weren't consulted is I know you don't have the patience for our level of indecision and also that you, you would recommend things that we wouldn't like. The Lexus is the one that I said I couldn't do because of the vibe slash aura of it.

• 20:22Doug DeMuro?

  And then I was like, what about the Lexus TX? And you were like, my wife doesn't like Lexus.

• 20:27Speaker 04

  By the way, that car, that car has such strong Karen vibes that I just, I can't. The R1S, we, we both actually really liked, we're just not sure we're ready to go fully.

• 20:36Doug DeMuro?

  You think that the Lexus TX has stronger Karen vibes than the XC90? Are you crazy?

• 20:41Speaker 04

  No, it is, it is worse. The Lexus is worse. The Lexus is peak Karen, like, the ultimate Karen mobile. I, I will die on that hill. And I'm sure a lot of people will be very unhappy in the comments, but I, I stand by it.

• 20:53Speaker 03

  I will also say the 550H Plus, which is a plug-in hybrid, apparently is going away after 2026.

• 20:58Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, because it makes no sense in the lineup. It was the performance model. If you tell Nick the numbers, he might be interested in.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  5.2 seconds, 060. 404 horsepower. It's not that impressive.

• 21:07Doug DeMuro?

  600 horsepower or something insane?

• 21:08Speaker 03

  No, it's 404. It's really surprisingly unimpressive.

• 21:11Doug DeMuro?

  But the torque was like 6 million.

• 21:13Speaker 03

  Wow. But, so go back to Honda. Do you expect the next generation Pilot, Odyssey, Ridgeline, Accord, CR-V to all be hybrid only?

• 21:20Doug DeMuro?

  Next generation Ridgeline? What are you talking about, Filippo?

• 21:24Speaker 03

  There is, they've teased the next generation. I, if I were a betting man, you know what the passport looks like? Cut off everything from the second row back, add a little bit longer bed, and you got the next generation Ridgeline. If I had to guess.

• 21:39Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I'd rather have? A fast Maverick.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 21:43Doug DeMuro?

  So there's gonna be.

• 21:45Speaker 04

  It's not next, sorry. People gotta wait.

• 21:48Doug DeMuro?

  There's gonna be a next generation Ridgeline. They're gonna go through this all again.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  The amount of stories that get cut from the podcast because Filippo finds them interesting and Doug says, you are the only person that will find that interesting, like this Ford Maverick story.

• 22:01Speaker 03

  So many.

• 22:01Doug DeMuro?

  Are you kidding? No way, dude, the Maverick story, I'm so pumped. We'll get there. The Ridgeline, Nick, you still pining after the original Ridgeline, I assume?

• 22:10Speaker 04

  No, honestly, this gives me Blackwood vibes, though, and I am pining after one of those.

• 22:14Speaker 03

  By the way, they sold almost 50,000 Ridgelines last year. They sell.

• 22:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  They sell.

• 22:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, okay, what, how many Jacomas they sell last year?

• 22:24Speaker 03

  Uh, that doesn't matter.

• 22:26Doug DeMuro?

  275,000 units.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, but, but comparatively, you know?

• 22:31Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think that Honda, the collective, sits at home at night, up in bed, unable to sleep, wishing they had made different decisions in like the late 90s?

• 22:43Speaker 03

  At this moment in time, I bet they're wishing they made different decisions in about 2017 when they planned the Sonya Fila.

• 22:49Doug DeMuro?

  But like, if they had ju-.

• 22:50Speaker 04

  That's the main topic of conversation.

• 22:51Doug DeMuro?

  If they had just gone after BAF in the late 90s, Filippo's all a BAF man. Don't you think things would be different now?

• 23:00Speaker 03

  I think things are kind of, I mean, the 2025 and 2026 were not great years, but they're in okay. The CR-V was the best-selling vehicle in America in Q2.

• 23:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, well, hey, there's your core. Honda's a killer. They're a killer with the, with the big six. And they're, they're not really sure how to, how to iterate beyond that. They gotta hire me. I'll iterate for them.

• 23:21Speaker 04

  All right, Honda, call Doug.

• 23:23Doug DeMuro?

  I, you think I, I'll tell you what to do. You build a 4-liter V6 off-road body-on-frame SUV and you build it in America. Nick, am I right?

• 23:32Speaker 03

  Dude, what, just so you know, they don't have a 4-liter anymore that I'm aware of. Just, just gonna be a couple generations old.

• 23:38Doug DeMuro?

  Honda never had a 4-liter.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  I thought they did briefly.

• 23:41Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think there's been a larger engine from Honda than 3.7, is my guess.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  I, I feel like the Ridgeline is the official vehicle of, I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed. Like, it's such a falling short vehicle where you're like, oh, I can't, I can't handle a real truck. I, I need like a Honda reliable car-like, like, it's just, it's such a disappointing.

• 24:04Doug DeMuro?

  Everyone who I know who has a Ridgeline that is exactly the situation, but to their credit, everyone I know who has a Ridgeline is kind of upfront about that. They're like, I just wanted a truck, but like, I, like, I take stuff, I have a big property over, but I like, I just, I'm, I'm not a truck person, so here's what I've got.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  ChatGPT says the prototypical Honda Ridgeline buyer is a 47-year-old suburban dad named Greg, who tells people he needs a truck, but the most demanding thing he hauls is six bags of mulch from Home Depot twice a year.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  Every truck owner.

• 24:29Speaker 04

  True, but.

• 24:29Speaker 03

  Keep that in mind.

• 24:30Speaker 04

  This is the one that's comfortable admitting that aloud, right? They're saying that quite a part aloud.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  They're more confident, they're more mature than the average truck.

• 24:36Speaker 04

  Or they've just given up to the point where they wear Kirkland sweatpants and have just said like, this is who I am.

• 24:42Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, God, only you know there's Kirkland sweatpants. Give us our next news story, please.

• 24:46Speaker 03

  By the way, you're right, 3.7 liter, except for their marine applications where there's a 5-liter V8.

• 24:52Doug DeMuro?

  Ooh, Honda makes a V8? Damn! Nick, you hear this? They also make a jet. Don't they build that?

• 24:59Speaker 03

  But it, how, how do you measure the displacement and cylinderage of a turbine jet? I'm sure somebody has a way, but not, not my knowledge here.

• 25:07Doug DeMuro?

  What is this?

• 25:08Speaker 04

  Speaking of disappointingly small power plants.

• 25:11Speaker 03

  Dodge has, has revealed a couple of vehicles, or has teased a couple of vehicles. One is the Super B, which I think is a pickup truck. I don't know Dodge naming convention. The Super B is a pickup truck.

• 25:24Speaker 04

  Uh, that's the Rumble B is the pickup. The Super B is the car.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Is a Charger, and it's gonna have a, a six-pack, six-cylinder in it. It's gonna be the most powerful six-pack, is my understanding. The Super B name was on like the 70s on Dodge products, came out again as the end of the Charger and also in 2007, the beginning of the Charger. It's gonna come out with this current generation of Charger as a six-pack engine. There's also the Rumble B, which is a Dodge Ram, uh, which has some engine.

• 25:54Speaker 04

  A few engines you could choose from, but yeah, V8s. So that, what I loved about this, I was talking the other day about how AI press releases have gotten carried away. Dodge instead went for an AI-based video, so there's like these evil Bs coming out and they have Wiz Khalifa, black and yellow, black and yellow. Like, it is, it is awesome. I love the video. Please just use AI to make videos so that us people with short attention spans don't have to read through your jargon. But we are super, super pumped for that. They did confirm it was a six-cylinder. There was some disappointment in this, in that.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:25Speaker 04

  But there's so many V8, like, Charger variants that I, I think we can all live with this, like, more special editions, better.

• 26:32Doug DeMuro?

  I think that, like, lost in this conversation about V8s in Chryslers is the fact that the six-cylinder is a fantastic powertrain. And it makes great power and it's a lot of fun. And I still feel bad for the Ram RHO, which I think deserves much more success than it's had. It is a great truck with a great powertrain, and I love that six-cylinder. I like it in the Wagoneer. I like it in all those cars. Yes, a V8 would be cool, but like, let's just, let's just go back to gas power first. Let's start there and then we can have more conversations beyond that.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  So the, the Charger hasn't been fully revealed, but we know it'll have a six-pack.

• 27:08Speaker 04

  They teased it with some Super Bs.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  There's some Super Bs, and then there's the Rumble B, not Bubble B, Rumble with an R, which is this truck, uh, which is available with three different engines.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Somehow, uh, including one that's a supercharged, uh, 6.2-liter V8 with 777 horsepower. They'll have a $98,000 MSRP.

• 27:26Speaker 04

  Big money, but I mean, you know, same as, same with the TRX or RHO, but I, I love sport trucks personally. We talked about it maybe a month or two ago. So yeah, Dodge is, is doing cool stuff for real American men like me.

• 27:40Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, that's right. That's right.

• 27:42Speaker 04

  We ain't no Ridgeline buyer over here.

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, instead it's a plug-in hybrid Volvo XC90 buyer. When I think real American men, I think plug-in hybrid Swedish luxury SUV.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  We, we decided that the Volvo is probably too coastal elitist, and so we're gonna go with a Kia Sorento, which according to Bridgeport, New Jersey's Kia dealership.

• 28:02Speaker 03

  Built in Georgia.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  Maybe built in America, so there you go.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  It's assembled in Georgia. Take that as you will.

• 28:07Speaker 04

  And it's a smoking deal.

• 28:09Speaker 03

  You can get better than.

• 28:10Doug DeMuro?

  Are you actually, are we confirmed about the Sorento? Are we actually doing that?

• 28:13Speaker 04

  You hear that? Tommy from Courtesy Kia, I can get a better deal.

• 28:17Doug DeMuro?

  In Gilbert, Arizona?

• 28:19Speaker 04

  I do believe that. Can you can you negotiate for me the same way you did for Doug on his purchase? Where they got where you got it for sticker, then they declined to work with you further?

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Turns out the Sorento plug-in hybrid is a little bit less in demand than the Sequoia TRD Pro.

• 28:34Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. We wanted to test drive one. It took them 30 minutes to find the car. They're like, we have buried this so far in the lot because no one has ever asked us to drive one before.

• 28:42Doug DeMuro?

  Especially in Gilbert, Arizona, for sure.

• 28:45Speaker 04

  They have one in stock and he was trying to pull the like, oh, we only have one left. Like, do you want to put a deposit now? And I'm like, you'll still have it. Don't worry. We'll be in touch.

• 28:54Doug DeMuro?

  All right, move on to our next news story, please.

• 28:56Speaker 03

  I like how many times we've talked about the Sorento plug-in hybrid. I would never be allowed to talk about the Sorento plug-in hybrid on this podcast.

• 29:02Speaker 04

  Kia Sorento Hybrid.

• 29:03Doug DeMuro?

  Most people have forgotten to get it. Nick, I actually have a friend who has one, if you want to chat with her.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  I don't want your advice.

• 29:10Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I'm not saying my advice. I'm saying you can ask her what her experience has been. She lives in Georgia. That was a factor in her buying the car.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  Wow, really? Okay, that that Georgia.

• 29:19Doug DeMuro?

  That was a loaded one.

• 29:22Speaker 04

  You know, my wife actually was getting her. Her research was done not through ChatGPT, not through like your videos. She her preferred method of research was to take Ubers in the car of choice. So we we got an XC90 Uber. Because these guys are in the car all day long. Yeah, you can. You can be like, how do you like it? It's been reliable.

• 29:41Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, every time I'm in an Uber, the only thing I.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  Their car is their most important purchasing decision.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  Nick's wife calling an Uber, car shows up, canceling, calling another Uber, car shows up, canceling, calling another Uber, car shows up, canceling.

• 29:53Speaker 04

  You know what the XC90s was easy, common, pretty easy to find. We haven't found a Sorento Uber driver yet.

• 29:59Speaker 03

  I was in a Sorento hybrid Uber.

• 30:02Speaker 04

  I should ask.

• 30:04Speaker 03

  All right, back to actual news. Ford and Geely, we talked a few weeks ago about how there were rumors of them partnering.

• 30:10Doug DeMuro?

  We already covered this.

• 30:11Speaker 03

  No, no, but but now it's official. Ford has a plant in Valencia, Spain, that is they're they're forming a joint venture with Geely, which is a Chinese manufacturer. They're going to be building a multi-energy crossover for Ford, a new member of the Bronco family. And then they're going to also be building two electric Geely SUVs for the European market at this kind of joint venture factory.

• 30:32Speaker 04

  All right.

• 30:32Speaker 03

  Where they're going to get Polestar. In Europe, I think there's a lot more Chinese.

• 30:37Speaker 04

  So no US market cars that this partnership?

• 30:39Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 30:39Speaker 04

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• 31:23Speaker 04

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• 32:09Speaker 04

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• 32:16Doug DeMuro?

  All right, move on to the next news story, please. Oh, here's the news story, my favorite car in the whole world. You know, all right, so you want me to tell you the story? Here's the story.

• 32:27Speaker 03

  For audio listeners, you want to say what it is or nah?

• 32:29Doug DeMuro?

  Sequoia TRD Pro is getting a facelift for 27.

• 32:36Doug DeMuro?

  And they're getting front hooks, recovery hooks, which is a big deal, and a bunch of other BS that nobody cares about. And I was thinking about this. My dog was driving my Sequoia the other day.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:45Doug DeMuro?

  And.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  You think a driver seems like.

• 32:52Doug DeMuro?

  No, my Sequoia I dearly love, and I'm so pumped for this facelift because I can't wait to get another one when the time is right.

• 33:00Speaker 03

  My understanding is that nothing has changed.

• 33:03Speaker 04

  Except for a new model.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  I didn't realize it was a facelift. I thought it was just new colors. Did it change anything?

• 33:09Doug DeMuro?

  Every year, every year, there is a new color for TRD Pro, like since since they started doing this in 15, each year has heralded the arrival of a new color. And so this year, the new color, this year, the new color is some sort of gold. I don't know. I don't care. But none of the colors ever look good on the Sequoia because it's just too big. So it doesn't really matter. But they also updated the front end styling and they gave it front recovery hooks. And this is the greatest car in the whole world. I cannot explain to you. My car right now is covered in mud inside and out. And I drove it in that situation. My dog drove it in a different application. Nick, why don't you consider getting a Sequoia TRD Pro, pal?

• 33:50Speaker 03

  It is a hybrid.

• 33:51Speaker 04

  And not a plug-in.

• 33:52Speaker 03

  Not a plug-in.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  The and then we went smaller. However, Doug, the most important thing here that I can tell from this image is that the fenders are now gloss and probably not camouflage.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  I don't think that's true.

• 34:03Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think that's true.

• 34:04Speaker 03

  There's blacked out trim on the front now, but the fender is still appearing to be camouflage. I do want to say two things. So there's a new trim of the.

• 34:11Doug DeMuro?

  There's a new trim.

• 34:12Speaker 03

  Which is a Trail Hunter. It's actually a package. So on the SR5, which is kind of the base Sequoia.

• 34:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 34:16Speaker 03

  You can now get a Trail Hunter package that that adds old man Emu suspension.

• 34:22Speaker 04

  Oh, cool.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Adds like the drive select.

• 34:24Speaker 04

  So you don't, yeah.

• 34:25Doug DeMuro?

  It adds the drive select with crawl control on the base model. That's pretty cool.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  So you wouldn't need the TRD Pro with the camouflage.

• 34:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 34:33Speaker 04

  You could get everything they needed through a base.

• 34:34Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the base car doesn't even have the hybrid power. The TRD Pro is God's car. You know, I'm up here. There's all these Land Cruisers around, and I'm really sad that I don't. The old Land Cruisers, the new Land Cruiser obviously is and the people buying them are posers. But the old Land Cruiser, which was so great, I'm seeing them all around, and I'm so jealous. The Sequoia TRD Pro is the Land Cruiser of the modern era. It's just the way it is. It's a slightly different buyer. It's a slightly different buyer, but.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  Different vibe. I am a little confused by the Trail Hunter versus TRD Off-Road packages, but they Toyota's adamant that they can coexist.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  As far as I can tell, the main difference is that the Trail Hunter has old man Emu suspension, the TRD Off-Road has Bilstein suspension.

• 35:20Doug DeMuro?

  Toyota doesn't. What I've learned from the Sequoia is that Toyota doesn't really know what to do with the Off-Road Sequoia. They figure they might as well offer it because they do it for Tundra because they. But they don't like understand, like, they didn't put front hooks on it because they didn't think that anyone would care using this thing as a three-row off-road. They thought it would all be a poser mobile. But there are some of us, and I consider myself one of us, who like legit use the car. And it's the greatest thing I ever had. Nick, I can't believe you're not interested in one of these.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  I'm interested in the 4Runner because that is three-row in a more compact size. There is a hybrid, although you can't get hybrid in three-row and all that jazz.

• 36:01Doug DeMuro?

  4Runner is bad because you can't get any of the cool stuff. You can't get any of the off-road stuff. You can't get the turbo.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  You got to. You got to get the deep base, although you can get it in a cool color. Like, I briefly considered it, but I think we were set on a plug-in, and so that got rolled out.

• 36:14Speaker 03

  I the new color, by the way, is called Honeycomb, but actually, there's two new colors. And Nick, I would like for you to look at this picture. Three of these cars are Honeycomb. One of these cars is is hot honey. Guess which is a different color than the others?

• 36:27Doug DeMuro?

  The 4Runner pops a little bit more, but that is, I mean, 5% different.

• 36:32Speaker 03

  The 4Runner is indeed the hot honey, not Honeycomb.

• 36:35Doug DeMuro?

  Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  They all look orange to me.

• 36:39Doug DeMuro?

  My car's got 24,000 miles on it now, my Sequoia. It's a 24.

• 36:43Speaker 03

  Congratulations.

• 36:44Doug DeMuro?

  Presuming the engine doesn't explode.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:47Doug DeMuro?

  When would you stop driving the car across the country?

• 36:53Speaker 03

  We drove our station wagon across the country when it had like 105,000 miles. I would drive my station wagon across the country today and it has 125,000 miles.

• 37:00Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, but like pretend you're me where you're like a, you're not gonna break down in Memphis.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  It depends on maintenance.

• 37:06Doug DeMuro?

  Pretend you're not you and you pretend you're me.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  I've never had a car break down, knock on wood, but also if it's well, you will need to spend more in maintenance at a certain point because you'll want to do a bunch of things preventively before you drive across the country and are away from service as you are right now. But like cars are fine.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  Cars are good. I mean, the Land Cruiser was notorious for being good for two, 300,000 miles without any major hiccups.

• 37:27Doug DeMuro?

  Would you drive a 300,000 mile Land Cruiser across the country?

• 37:32Speaker 04

  I would, you probably wouldn't.

• 37:33Doug DeMuro?

  You would?

• 37:34Speaker 04

  I think you've got at least 100,000 miles on this before you need to start worrying about reliability.

• 37:38Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. I think I've got many years left, except for the fact that we know these engines are exploding and Toyota is not stepping up to warranty and recall them.

• 37:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, we're still waiting on the deep dive on that. It's gonna happen.

• 37:49Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I gotta do it when I get back. I have to be in studio to summon the amount of anger that I have about this issue. It is really kind of the absolute low point in Toyota's entire manufacturing and history in the United States, including when those floor mats were killing all those people. Including that, this is the absolute low point in Toyota's.

• 38:09Speaker 03

  I, I look forward and I feel bad preemptively for all the Toyota employees that are gonna be called into 9 a.m. Friday meetings an hour after this podcast goes out to have a little conversation.

• 38:19Doug DeMuro?

  They're not recalling the hybrids because they can move on electric power. There will be no Toyota employees left if my powertrain explodes and I have to move on hybrid power. There will be no Toyota employees.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  For legal reasons, that is not a threat, not a physical threat. He means as a company.

• 38:39Doug DeMuro?

  I, it's just, it's one of the most embarrassing cop outs in the entire history of the automobile. Don't you agree, Filippo?

• 38:45Speaker 03

  No comment. Let's move on to the Maverick.

• 38:48Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, this is the most exciting news story of the week. I can't believe you don't care about this.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  I thought we cut this. I'm positive you insisted on cutting it.

• 38:55Speaker 03

  I made sure we kept it.

• 38:55Doug DeMuro?

  No, we cut the next story.

• 38:58Speaker 04

  Filippo vetoed your veto.

• 38:59Speaker 03

  This is the Maverick SV300T.

• 39:01Doug DeMuro?

  No, Nick, you weren't paying attention through any of that. The next story we cut. This is the coolest thing that's ever happened. This, they're giving, they're putting like a Mustang level of power in a Maverick. It's got 300 horse.

• 39:14Speaker 04

  But it's done by a third party?

• 39:15Speaker 03

  No, it's not. Okay, it's really weird. So, so starting in the fourth quarter of this year, you can go to Ford and buy the SV300T kit, or they'll just be available on the lot with the SV300T kit. And it's fully Ford backed. So what they, basically what it does is it takes a larger supercharger from the EcoBoost Mustangs and puts it on these. And so you get, uh, power goes from 250 horsepower to 300 and 277 pound feet of torque to 350 pound feet of torque. Uh, there's also like an upgraded intercooler, Borla exhaust, graphics. Wheels. You can also, by the way, so this is a Lobo, which is already the like performance suspension. Uh, you can also get, uh, the slightly more expensive kit and get all of that suspension stuff and transmission calibration, which turns it to a seven speed from an eight

• 39:59Speaker 03

  speed for all the other Maverick trims as well.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 40:03Speaker 03

  This is like a, a hot Maverick. It's cool.

• 40:05Doug DeMuro?

  To be clear, it's a turbocharger, not a supercharger. Nick.

• 40:08Speaker 03

  Does it supercharge? I apologize, apologize.

• 40:10Doug DeMuro?

  The important thing here, Nick, it's called the SV300T. SV300T. SVT is back. Nick, this should be your most exciting thing of the year.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  I, I love and adore SVT and I also love mod. So, no, I'm, I, I think it's really, really cool. I, I thought we killed it because Ford wasn't doing it. A separate part, party was doing it and Ford was just backing it. Much like when Celine designed the Ford GT and Ford took the credit for it, but it was really built by Steve, Celine and Molly. Um, it's very similar to that. Yeah.

• 40:44Doug DeMuro?

  There's more truth to that than most people would realize, but I don't know that Molly had much to do with it.

• 40:51Speaker 04

  Molly runs, uh, Celine Performance Parts, which is all their aftermarket part manufacturing. And then Steve runs the vehicle side of things. So I think they probably work together.

• 41:00Doug DeMuro?

  Contribution to the 05 Ford GT was significant. Very, very significant.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  By the way, the package, uh, which includes all the things but not installation is about five grand for the XLT and the Lariat.

• 41:13Doug DeMuro?

  That's a steal!

• 41:14Speaker 04

  That's not bad at all.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  Labor they expect will be three to five grand.

• 41:17Speaker 04

  Cause we just talked about the Rumble B being close to 100K. This is like a bargain hot rod.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  And if you start with a Lobo, which already has the suspension components, it should be notably cheaper because it's just a supercharger.

• 41:28Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, this is a $46,000 truck. 300 horse, 350 pound feet, upgraded suspension, 20 inch wheels, a Borla exhaust. Are you telling me you're not interested in one of these? If I had to ask you to pick any new car, would it not be this?

• 41:48Speaker 04

  I, if I needed a pickup, this would definitely be it. It's, it's the right size. If I were crush humping this in a Honda Ridgeline, Bolt would fit six bags of mulch. Uh, I, I'm into it. If, if I am Greg, the prototypical 47 year old suburban dad, which I'm shockingly close to.

• 42:04Doug DeMuro?

  No, Greg ain't, Greg is not the prototypical customer for this car. This is cool. This is legitimately cool. And I think this is the coolest thing that's coming out of Ford these days.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  I wish they, I wish they made an SUV version of this too, because that would be sick.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  That would be really cool.

• 42:18Doug DeMuro?

  A Bronco Sport with this stuff? That would be kinda cool, actually.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  No, but keep the Maverick face. Like just make it a Maverick with an enclosed bed that then gets converted to a third row.

• 42:27Doug DeMuro?

  We call that the Bronco Sport.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  It's very different. By the way, the, there is a warranty of three years, 36 thousand mile warranty.

• 42:33Speaker 04

  That's pretty good.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Backdated to when the purchase for you was like.

• 42:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:37Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it's funny because I think often about how I wish I had money during like the heyday of cool cars. Like you could have bought stuff new. Like there are still a few cars out there that are like legit cool. And this is one of them. This is a street truck with actually more power and a Borla and big wheels from Ford. Like this is a pretty cool thing.

• 42:56Speaker 04

  And honestly, I think the best part is the five grand because I initially was thinking, oh, okay, like I could change out the supercharger, put an exhaust on it. You can't do that for five grand anymore. Like there was a day when that, those mods were somewhat affordable, but especially even if you were just doing the pulley, by the time you had an exhaust, retune it, all that, you're in at five grand and it's never gonna be as good as, I mean, you'll void your warranty for one. So that, that combination of factors is a great value. You'd be silly to buy a Maverick and not do that if you're a car guy.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  Of course, you should obviously, everybody and everybody should buy a Maverick, uh, hybrid, which this doesn't.

• 43:30Speaker 04

  Remember the, remember the Ranger Splash?

• 43:32Speaker 03

  I still want one.

• 43:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but the Ranger Splash to that point was just a BMW truck. It was cosmetic. Like this is real.

• 43:39Speaker 04

  This is real.

• 43:40Doug DeMuro?

  This is real. You got the turbo from the Mustang. This is like what you dream of as like a street truck guy. Filippo, Filippo, aren't you kinda into this?

• 43:50Speaker 03

  I'm super into this. Yeah.

• 43:52Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, there you go.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Again, I would buy the hybrid, which would preclude me from doing this, but yeah.

• 43:58Doug DeMuro?

  Is that the end of our talk cars segment?

• 43:59Speaker 03

  Uh, we, we got one more news story or maybe two more news story.

• 44:02Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, our news segment?

• 44:04Speaker 03

  Uh, we've got two, two more.

• 44:05Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, boy. We're gonna talk about this.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  Aventador's have some drama around them right now.

• 44:09Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, have you been following this?

• 44:11Speaker 04

  I have. I, it's funny because it's been actually, for those of us in the community, it's, it's not necessarily a news story. There was, it's a renewed news story because one was publicly withdrawn from another auction site where it was like very obvious there was a mileage blocker. Like the Carfax showed multiple service records past the currently advertised mileage.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Back up a second. What's the?

• 44:33Speaker 04

  The problem is so on Aventador's as well as Huricons and other vehicles for that matter, but especially prolific for whatever reason on newer Lamborghinis, it is pretty easy to install a mileage blocker, which plugs into your OBD two port. You can buy it through a lot of sketchy websites.

• 44:48Speaker 03

  Nick, does this not familiar with any of that?

• 44:50Speaker 04

  I won't, I won't tell you how to find it, but it's not that hard. You plug it in and then basically it just stops recording any new mileage. It blocks the signal between the, the car to say, hey, add, keep adding that. So it'll, there still will be signs in most cases. Like it'll show engine hours are really high, but the mileage isn't there. Different modules, like there are ways that maybe a Lamborghini dealership could detect.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  They can identify.

• 45:12Speaker 04

  Depending on how it was done. But otherwise, like if you are selling courses in Miami and you want to keep the resale of your SVJ really good, drive, or you're going on like a rally, plug this thing in and those 2,000 miles you drive on it will never show in the odometer. And then you dump it before anyone's the wiser. So a lot of these are out there. Sometimes it's easy to catch, like the Carfax has an obvious telltale sign. Other times you pretty much need a PPI and even then it's not a guarantee it gets caught. So it's causing a lot of the, the market then to say, oh, okay, these are million dollar cars in the case of the SVJ, sometimes of which are owned, oftentimes owned by unscrupulous people. Should we be wary of valuing them as high? There was another guy on Instagram

• 45:56Speaker 04

  who said he PPI'd six different Aventador's and all of them had signs of sketchiness with the odometer and he declined all of them. Again, who knows if he's saying that just for the clout, but I think there is something there, there that maybe, just maybe on these cars, you ought to be careful.

• 46:11Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta tell you, I love a good rollback. Rollbacks are rare. Like back in the day, you could roll back an odometer, but like in the era of Carfax and the internet and service records and digitized everything, like rollbacks are tough to do. And in, in this particular car that was withdrawn, it was so clear. So obviously had been rolled back fraudulently and everybody's like, oh, we didn't know. Um, anyway, love a good rollback. Rare you find that or odometer block or whatever the hell it is. Uh, rare you find it.

• 46:47Speaker 04

  The beauty of it though, on auction sites like Cars and Bids.

• 46:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  Is that the commenters come out in full force. Like this wasn't live all that long. And like, it went totally viral because everyone's like, I talked to this. I saw it a year ago at a different dealership. Like people come out with the stories and especially on like an SVJ, which is a pretty limited production vehicle. Like people have done their due diligence and there's enough folks out there with enough knowledge to catch them before it's too late. As long as it's transacting online, I worry more about the offline ones to an unsophisticated buyer where there's no comment. Gallery there to say like, oh no, this has red flags all over it.

• 47:22Speaker 03

  It's funny how there are certain cars that develop, like if you're deep in that world reputations, there are certain BMWs and Porsches from the seventies, eighties, nineties that are, uh, have often had like odometer gears when it was a physical thing fail. And so it's kind of known, all right, well, maybe I should be satisfied about that. Uh, it's well known that a lot of Dodge SRT products are easy to steal.

• 47:42Doug DeMuro?

  In the case that you just mentioned, like those cars, it wasn't typically nefarious. It just sort of, they grow.

• 47:48Speaker 03

  But there's like certain cars that are just, you kind of develop this reputation. I feel like for a while Lamborghini has had, there's been some knowledge that it's actually maybe easier than in some other cars to tamper with the odometer.

• 48:00Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you love the fact that like Lambo to this day still attracts this type of buyer? Like Lambo is just a killer at like finding these, yeah, the Miami course sellers. Like I'm here for it.

• 48:13Speaker 04

  You think back to the iconic Ty Lopez video, here are my garage. Lamborghini Gallardo, like it has been the poster child of course sellers for literally 20 years. To the point where it's just like, of course, of course.

• 48:26Doug DeMuro?

  My Countach back there, lovely car, amazing. If they had been selling courses in 1983, they would have been doing it out of the trunk of the Countach. Um, love it. I just love that it's happening. Love the whole situation because it's absolutely absurd. Um, and I love that these people are so afraid of resale value and all that stuff that they have to do this. I wish I could get a mileage blocker for my Carrera GT. I would daily it then.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  Hmm. Well, I think the problem is the type of people who buy this are probably pretty leveraged. Versus the type of people who buy Carrera GT, you're probably comfortably affording it.

• 49:03Doug DeMuro?

  Many years ago, I bought a 2007 Mercedes Benz E63 AMG wagon, an S211. Nick later bought us a similar but worse car. From a guy in Indiana and he told me that he had owned a 993 twin turbo. And he said he was driving along one day and he was sort of randomly at a stoplight or was feeling under the dashboard and he felt a little button. And he pressed the button. He didn't know what it did. He pressed the button. And he's driving and then nothing happened. And then he realized the odometer had stopped turning. And he told me, he told me that, uh, he took, he took the car to his shop. He had the button taken out and then he promptly sold the car. At that point forward, he had no idea what the mileage was and who had put the button in and when.

• 49:49Speaker 04

  My 95 Ford Explorer, my first car, I realized there was a fuse that disabled the entire dashboard. So you didn't know your speed or RPM, but it also logged no miles. So if you wanted guilt free miles in your clunker.

• 50:01Doug DeMuro?

  What was your use case for that button in 1990?

• 50:04Speaker 04

  Well, I found it out by accident. I think a fuse had blown or I was wiring up a stereo and I was like trying to pull fuses. But then when I realized it and you have that power and you realize it's that easy, it's kind of hard not to, right? Like if you had the button, like I agree, I would get rid of that car, but I'd maybe push the button a couple of times before I got rid of it. Cause like, oh, I want some free miles on a 993 twin turbo.

• 50:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, that's probably true. Uh, all right. We got to move on to the talk cars segment. Uh, the talk car segment is brought to you by Ryan Lopez. Now, because, because I've not been in California, I haven't been able to see Ryan Lopez and hear of his antics.

• 50:39Doug DeMuro?

  But I miss him.

• 50:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, we all miss him.

• 50:42Speaker 04

  So Doug, a good friend of ours got married over the weekend, Kevin, many of you know. And Ryan Lopez was invited to this wedding. So I got to see Ryan outside of a work context in the wild. And let me tell you what a treat it was. First of all, we went sailing Saturday night. He knows how to sail. And so him and I were talking sailing.

• 51:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 51:02Speaker 04

  But then he hit it off with my wife and, uh, yeah.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  You can't repeat the next part.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  I can't repeat a lot of, a lot of what happened.

• 51:09Speaker 03

  It's just can't, can't repeat it on air.

• 51:11Speaker 04

  Truly a gem to not just the car community, the sailing community.

• 51:15Speaker 03

  By the way, if you also miss Ryan Lopez.

• 51:17Doug DeMuro?

  I hang on, hang on. I speak for the entire audience where I say he hit it off with your wife and then you trail him off. What happened after that?

• 51:24Speaker 04

  He, he, he's very gracious in sharing his Bumble chats as well. Every, every woman is described as a smoke show and then he goes, check out the smoke show. And he does it like multiple times. So you just like, it's like the smorgasbord of, uh, young women who are very proud of their bodies. And the chats that they have with Ryan Lopez. So like that alone was just entertainment for the whole weekend.

• 51:49Speaker 03

  If you also miss Ryan Lopez live, uh, two days ago, when you're listening to this, uh, on the key channel, you can join Ryan and our other congregator, Joe, and driving across the country in a hundred year old car. So go check that video out.

• 52:01Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Next question, uh, from the, uh.

• 52:05Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  We're in a different section.

• 52:06Speaker 03

  A few, a few here.

• 52:07Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, no. I got a question from the talk cars segment. Uh, Nick, what do you think about, what do you think about Fauci?

• 52:14Speaker 04

  Uh, the COVID guy?

• 52:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 52:18Speaker 04

  I mean, mistakes were made, but I, I think he was a public, what, what does this have to do with talk? I'm not going there. I am not going there.

• 52:27Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. No problem. No problem. All right. Let's move on to a car and another car thing, uh, Ford Focus GTI. Hey Nick, you think 20 was stolen?

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• 53:08Speaker 03

  I have a couple of things I want to talk about related to cars. First of all, this Saturday, uh, folks from Cars and Bids will be at a Vans Fest at Pacific Raceways in right side of Seattle, Washington. Uh, if you aren't signed up, go to carsandbids.com/events uh, and sign up to be there. Uh, bring your car. We'll have a couple of hundred cars out there, which is exciting. I will not be there unfortunately, but a bunch of really cool people from our team, uh, Eric and, and Alec, and I believe LED will all be up there.

• 53:32Speaker 04

  Doug, speaking of Fauci and the 2020 elections. At this wedding, so the wedding is mostly car guys, right? Like it's all.

• 53:39Speaker 03

  I was trying so hard.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  All the car community and people are having drinks. It's an open bar, et cetera. And because of this pod, people were coming up to me from both extremes of the political spectrum, thinking I was on their side. So like one guy would be like, ah, Trump really screwed me over. Don't you agree? And then the other one would be like, yeah, that Trump guy is awesome. And like, they both thought I was one of them because of your comments. Constantly alluding one way or the other than people reading between. So thank you.

• 54:07Doug DeMuro?

  I've only ever said that you're a hardcore Trumper and that he's an NPR listening hybrid owner.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, but people know not to take you serious. So some people think you are being ironic or sarcastic. Other people think you are dead serious. Likewise with me.

• 54:21Speaker 03

  Keep the mystique alive.

• 54:22Speaker 04

  No, I'm, my point of view is that politicians across the board are idiots. I would never have a bumper sticker for one. I would never idolize one.

• 54:30Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. You put a bumper sticker on your car for the, wait a minute, wait a minute.

• 54:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was a long time ago. I have voted presidential candidates on both sides of the spectrum. I have now concluded they're all incompetent bozos who can't even pass a law like agreeing that daylight savings time is BS. Like we can't even get that far. Therefore they all deserve to lose their jobs and none of them are worthy of respect or support.

• 54:55Speaker 03

  People of Arizona figured that out. By the way, you own only V8s.

• 54:59Speaker 04

  I do own only V8s.

• 55:00Speaker 03

  That says a lot about you.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  Does it?

• 55:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:02Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with your general point. I'm, it is unbelievable to me how bad the politicians are in general.

• 55:08Speaker 04

  Can we get back to cars? Just like a little bit. And let's, let's talk a little bit more about Fauci, huh?

• 55:13Doug DeMuro?

  Remember, these are the people that gave us license plates with the same number on them. The same number. You know, I had to go really deep in the comments to find somebody who said, if license plates have the same number, what is the purpose of them? And it's like, yeah, yes, that's the point I'm trying to make. Uh, okay. Felipe, tell us about your GTI. Is that still around?

• 55:35Speaker 03

  No, the GTI was sold. I'm finally revealing now that the GTI has been out of my life for about two months. And, and I want people to know that because I, I needed that context to explain that you should drive your sports car because as a result, we have, we have our station wagon.

• 55:49Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 55:49Speaker 03

  My wife travels a fair amount for work. She takes that car because what else would she take? Uh, and therefore I've been daily driving the nine 11 around and you can just do that. You can just do that with all your sports cars. You can just go out and drive them.

• 56:02Doug DeMuro?

  It's a revelation.

• 56:04Speaker 03

  No, but it, it, some people need reminders of this. You can just do that. You can just do that.

• 56:09Doug DeMuro?

  So speaking of, uh, so at this open bar, Filippo's wife, lovely person.

• 56:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:15Doug DeMuro?

  She let it slip. So allegedly Filippo's not driving the F 250 because, "Oh, my wife can't pick out the wheels and tires. It's her car." She was like, "That is the most outrageously BS thing I've ever heard. I picked them out months ago." Filippo has been trying to negotiate a deal or get it for free for months. And that is the reason why I don't have tires and can't drive my truck.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  That's only partially inaccurate, but, but thankfully thanks to some, some sponsors.

• 56:42Doug DeMuro?

  That accusation that it was her fault.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  Accusation. I appreciate bringing that up.

• 56:45Doug DeMuro?

  There's nothing more exhausting in our lives than the ownership of this pickup truck. Uh, Nick, I heard you sold some cars as well.

• 56:51Speaker 04

  I sold the Focus and the P 38.

• 56:54Speaker 03

  Whoa, big day.

• 56:55Speaker 04

  The Focus wasn't that interesting. Finally, after probably a hundred people asking, is this still available? Someone came through. They offered full ask. It's gone. The P 38 though was.

• 57:04Doug DeMuro?

  Whoa, whoa, whoa, hang on, hang on. This Focus is a disaster car. What, what?

• 57:08Speaker 03

  No, it's, it has like 30,000 miles and has, it's on its fourth transmission and it's fine.

• 57:13Doug DeMuro?

  Who's the person?

• 57:14Speaker 04

  Uh, it's a nice, single mom somewhere in Temecula or something.

• 57:18Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, you're saddling a single mom with this car?

• 57:21Speaker 04

  It, it's, it, the transmission was done less than 10,000 miles ago.

• 57:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it was done twice. It was done OE and then what happened?

• 57:29Speaker 03

  That's not his fault. That is Ford and their, their debacle with power shift.

• 57:33Speaker 04

  She will be fine. The P 38 owner on the other hand is, is the more questionable one. So I sell all my cars through Cars and Bids. I made a rare exception not to all my enthusiast cars anyways. Um, because my friend Joe from the Lost Cause Ranch posted on Facebook saying, "I am looking for a project Land Rover within ideally 700 miles of Yarra, Colorado for the Land Rover Nats." Anyone looking to sell? And I was like, "This guy, he has 20 Land Rovers." He chopped one into a six by six pickup and, and doing an LR3 into a pickup now. He's like the ultimate Land Rover hoarder and he's on two P 38s, both of which he ended up scrapping for parts.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  Because they were too far gone.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 58:14Speaker 04

  So I was like, okay, compared to the other P 38s he's had, he's going to think mine's nice because it runs and drives. And he's got a sawzall. He's got the tools and the knowledge to keep this thing up.

• 58:24Doug DeMuro?

  A sawzall is the main tool mentioned when you're talking about the tools needed on a P 38.

• 58:28Speaker 04

  My first P 38 to get the bumper off. They, they sometimes need that, a little persuasion. So he ended up, we, we talked a little bit and within an hour, he sent the money, agreed to buy it and drove it from my house Friday night, all 900 miles to Colorado by Sunday morning.

• 58:44Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 58:45Speaker 04

  Without incident. And from there on.

• 58:47Speaker 03

  So much buzzing though, because the radio, the speakers buzz.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  You, you turn the speakers off and it's fine. So we got rid of that car, Doug, after.

• 58:57Doug DeMuro?

  What, what, what'd you sell that for?

• 58:59Speaker 04

  That's not important.

• 59:01Doug DeMuro?

  What did you sell it for? For?

• 59:03Speaker 04

  It, it, I sold it for almost identical to the Ford Focus. Um, Joe's going to fix it the rest of the way and sell it for profits and he's probably going to sell it on Cars and Bid. So I don't want to review, reveal the sale price other than I lost at least half of what I put into it.

• 59:18Doug DeMuro?

  You lost six, you sold it for six grand, you lost six grand. That's wild.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  Same day, if you combine the sale price of the Focus and P 38, I think you still lost money.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  It wasn't, look, look, I don't do cars for the money or the investment.

• 59:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:32Speaker 04

  I do it for the love, okay? I had a lot of love for the P 38. My wife had a lot of love for the Focus. So that was a, it was a tough day in my household.

• 59:41Doug DeMuro?

  So you're down to this SLR and the Cayenne and the E 55. Is that all?

• 59:47Speaker 04

  And the Range Rover. And the Range Rover convertible.

• 59:49Doug DeMuro?

  The convertible Range Rover. What's the story there?

• 59:51Speaker 04

  Um, I'm in the search for a good upholstery shop. Uh, there was a small tear in my Range Rover convertible top and actually after driving to the Land Rover dealership to drive a used R1S.

• 1:00:03Speaker 03

  As you do at the Range Rover dealership.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  All of a sudden there's this like flapping noise and it was really loud and really violent. I'm like, "Oh, it must be windy out today, whatever." We get there and there is a tear through the convertible top, end to end, like huge. You could fit people inside of this tear. Uh, Newport Convertible Engineering finally replied to one of my emails because I offered the money and said that they want $7,500 to replace the convertible top, which is going to be a no for me, dog. So.

• 1:00:27Doug DeMuro?

  Are you sure? I mean, doing, doing, that's actually honestly, replacing a convertible top on a G-Wagon, I've been on the, my convertible G-Wagon, I've been quoted three times that. And also 7,500 bucks to get it done by the, the people who did it in the first place.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  You think that's reasonable? I thought convertible tops were like, I don't know, one or two grand?

• 1:00:46Doug DeMuro?

  Well, this is a bespoke convertible top.

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  That's the problem.

• 1:00:50Doug DeMuro?

  I, I don't know, but to me, 7,500 bucks to get it like back to new, I don't know what your plans are for the car and I don't know what the car is worth. There's like no comp ever. So we have no idea. It doesn't sound that unreasonable to me, especially because you presume also sending it back to the people who did it in the first place. It'd be nice for them to take a look at some of the mechanisms. I mean, the, the top was probably done 10 plus years ago or 10 years ago when it was a new car.

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  2016, it, exactly 10 years ago. Yeah. And I, they gave me like, they wanted to do all the rubber gaskets and stuff. It's like 600 bucks. A new tonneau cover is 900. So I'd probably be at 10.

• 1:01:22Doug DeMuro?

  That's not the worst deal. Like for, for eight grand, you get a brand new convertible top and all new rubber gaskets and the people who did it have a look at it. Like from a service record point of view, when you go to sell it, you get some of that money back, being able to be like, "Look, these guys did the new top."

• 1:01:37Speaker 04

  Filippo, after you're done negotiating my Kia Sorento plug-in hybrid, are you down to?

• 1:01:41Speaker 03

  I, I think.

• 1:01:42Speaker 04

  Get me a deal here?

• 1:01:43Speaker 03

  I'll, I'll call a couple of, of shops. I mean, it, when, and when I had an NB Miata, the top had a lot of holes and I just used like Amazon.

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  That's what I have. That's my current solution.

• 1:01:52Speaker 03

  That works pretty well. Uh, something to consider. I, you should call some upholstery shops. Just kind of see what happens.

• 1:01:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:59Speaker 03

  If you have like a boat Focus one, it might, might be cheaper.

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  That's exactly where I'm going. And actually so they're, they're finishing up a yacht and then I can bring it in for an inspection. So we'll see. But Doug is maybe not wrong that having the like service record showing that the people who did the conversion have like done a once over and confirmed it's still, like, I'm sure they will find other stuff to fit.

• 1:02:18Doug DeMuro?

  Because honestly, if you were buying it and when you were buying it, that was one of your biggest concerns. Like this, this is some random thing. Like if you would have had that record there, you'd be like, okay, well this is, this is definitely, that's, that's valuable. That's like desirable.

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  The current plan is not to sell it anytime soon.

• 1:02:34Speaker 03

  Keeping it for life.

• 1:02:34Speaker 04

  Much like your G-Cab, like it's just a special car that's hard to replace and that we really enjoy. Uh, it's funny, like people, it's become so recognizable too. Like of all the cool cars I've owned, like, like people will text us being like, "I saw your car here." And like, like it just, it's kind of a crazy car. It'd be hard to let go of.

• 1:02:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. My G-Cab, by the way, uh, very special, very crazy, hard to let go of. I do plan to sell it in the next six weeks. Uh, what else we got? Uh, you're looking for, you're looking for a car for your, your family. We talked about it a little earlier. Are you committed to the Sorento? Is that true?

• 1:03:08Speaker 04

  It's, it's either that or an XC90. I mean, that's.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  Good choices.

• 1:03:11Speaker 04

  It's, it's, it's about a $20,000 price difference to say, "I don't drive a Kia." But then also the Volvo is such a, I, I, although I stand by the comment that Lexus is more Karen vibes, the XC90 is a close second. Like it's Karen and her sister Krista. Like it's not.

• 1:03:28Speaker 03

  It is. It's a hard, like the issue that I have with XC90, I, you might, the XC90 is great.

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  It's also 10 years old.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  It's a, it's an old product at this point. And if you care mostly about the, the technology, like I hate the facelifted XC90 screen that looks literally tacked on. The Kia infotainment does a great job of card play, et cetera.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  The Volvo though is a great product and is.

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  The other problem with the Volvo is it only comes in like very muted beigeish shades of beige. Like, like it, the, the Kia I can get is Cityscape Green, which is a really cool color.

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  It's a good color.

• 1:04:00Speaker 04

  And, and they also have like.

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  Turn signals, right?

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  They have a cool like navy blue. Like you can do some things to make that look cool. The XC90, we have to rap because I can't.

• 1:04:08Speaker 03

  Can't rap.

• 1:04:09Doug DeMuro?

  You can't, you can't go out. Eight grand to wrap an XC90. So instead of beige.

• 1:04:13Speaker 04

  I already DM'd our friend Braden at Lee Finish to do British racing green on it potentially.

• 1:04:17Doug DeMuro?

  You know what color looks great on those XC90s is that bursting blue. I don't know if they still offer it. It looks amazing. Filippo, do they still offer that?

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  I don't know. They've gotten rid of every cool color. They got rid of all the good colors and also the T8 was always a little more muted.

• 1:04:28Doug DeMuro?

  You guys, you guys are not color people. I got a lot of crazy colors on my cars. You guys are muted, boring, muted colors, but I, uh, I'm a color person.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  White Sequoia, a white Countach, a silver Carrera GT, a white station wagon, a silver, yeah, what, what color? The Ford GT is blue.

• 1:04:47Doug DeMuro?

  I got a blue Ford GT. I got a red Supra. Maybe you've seen it. I've owned it for months. Uh.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  How do you know it's red? Maybe they sent the wrong one, like Kenan's Ferrari 355.

• 1:04:59Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Time to move on to the next segment, which is of course the market report, the market report, which is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Folks, Cars and Bids is the reason we're all here today. It's the name of the game. It's our platform. This is where we sell cars. This is where we buy cars. This is a better auction site than the place where they're rolling back odometers. Not that I'm saying anybody's doing that anywhere.

• 1:05:22Doug DeMuro?

  Um, Nick, you got any positive things to say about cars and bids here?

• 1:05:27Speaker 04

  I love cars and bits. I I have bought many vehicles on cars and bits. Well, actually, no, I've only bought one. I've sold many vehicles on it. I intend to buy more. Right now, my watch list on cars and bits is phenomenal. Let me just pull this up here because this is the kind of diversity you get. I got a V10 E60 M5, an Audi A4 that has been converted to a pickup truck and repainted in Sonoma green.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 1:05:51Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, what?

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's such it's it ends today as we're filming this.

• 1:05:55Speaker 04

  It's not even the coolest.

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  It's one of the Smith conversion ones.

• 1:05:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, and and a manual, of course. There's a G55 that's clean and supercharged and has the rear jump seats, which I didn't even know was a thing that you could do rear jump seats in a G55.

• 1:06:08Doug DeMuro?

  It it's not OE. It's not OE, but in some markets it was like kind of a dealer installed. Yeah, you see those here and there.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  Like, forget Defender. Like, give me a jump seat in a G55.

• 1:06:18Doug DeMuro?

  Totally.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  And then you have an XJR that has a MagnaFlow exhaust.

• 1:06:22Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:06:22Speaker 04

  Like, literally, everything for everyone here.

• 1:06:25Doug DeMuro?

  I I didn't see this A4. This is unbelievable. Is this a B7?

• 1:06:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, and he's got the peelers on it is which what we Audi people call those wheels. It's pretty. It looked really well done. In terms of, you know how some people are like, oh, like, I worry about how much money I spent, like my P38, I'm gonna lose all this money. This dude built this out of passion, knowing he is gonna lose every money he invested in it.

• 1:06:46Doug DeMuro?

  And it's in Quebec. To make matters even worse, it's in it's in Canada.

• 1:06:50Speaker 04

  Quebec, yes, it's not gonna pass smog in California. He repainted it, but put all that aside and just, I mean, like, the level of detail that went into it, the roll pan on the rear, like, it is so, so cool. I want this for my six pack mulch from Home Depot.

• 1:07:05Speaker 03

  I hey, Doug, without reading the listing, what are the taillights from?

• 1:07:10Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I'm looking right now and I'm trying to figure it out. Let me see.

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  And the reverse lights there from different vehicles.

• 1:07:16Doug DeMuro?

  The reverse lights, the reverse lights, I've seen those reverse lights before.

• 1:07:22Speaker 03

  You don't honestly, this is some Carrera GT.

• 1:07:24Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, wait, the reverse lights, you know what the reverse lights are from is the the HHR.

• 1:07:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:29Doug DeMuro?

  The taillights.

• 1:07:31Speaker 03

  Don't you think this is a low Carrera GT?

• 1:07:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  LEDs part of it, yeah.

• 1:07:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. But I thought the Carrera GT taillights look like American flags.

• 1:07:39Doug DeMuro?

  I have no idea. What is it? What is it?

• 1:07:43Speaker 03

  2009 Acura MDX.

• 1:07:45Doug DeMuro?

  Huh, MDX.

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:48Doug DeMuro?

  When do you think it hit him? Like, I'm gonna do MDX. Do you think he just had a set? You know what I mean? Like, there's no rhyme or reason to it, right? Like, he didn't design it around the MDX tails.

• 1:08:01Speaker 03

  Smith Performance may have recommendations. I don't know.

• 1:08:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, this is a, that is really cool. Uh, anyway, the Cars and Bids, greatest platformer in the world or something. Filippo, what are you? Filippo, you pumped for the ZR1 auction? When is that?

• 1:08:14Speaker 03

  I am, Bob. This ends by the time people are listening, but you reviewed the ZR1. It's owned by one of the folks from Mothers, uh, who is our our car care partner, who are awesome. Uh, and it's the car you want. If you're into real Corvettes, AKA one set of a manual, this is the best one.

• 1:08:29Doug DeMuro?

  This thing is so cool. You know, Filippo, my buddy Dave, uh, who is here with me on the East Coast, he bought a Corvette this summer and he, yeah, I just drove it.

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  It made it great.

• 1:08:42Doug DeMuro?

  I just drove it, uh, this week and, um, and, uh, boy.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Uh, that I he bought a C5.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  Up and ship it.

• 1:08:55Speaker 04

  Fantastic.

• 1:08:55Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? It doesn't suck. It doesn't suck.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  See, all Corvettes are good. I should have just bought a C5.

• 1:09:00Speaker 04

  At every price point, you kind of get what you deserve.

• 1:09:02Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:09:04Speaker 04

  Like, the C5 punishes you a little bit, but you cheaped out and like, it's still really fun, yes, but like the noises of the plastic rubbing together and buttons falling off will kind of punish you according to the cheapness that you've put in.

• 1:09:18Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, can I get what you deserve?

• 1:09:19Speaker 03

  Can I talk about a couple of, uh, actual sales we've had recently?

• 1:09:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:25Speaker 03

  I want to start with one that I want Nick to talk about because I don't care about Lamborghini's, but we sold an STO for $485, which to my understanding is the highest auction result on an STO ever.

• 1:09:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, and great. It was a great bidding war at the end. Um, like, like a lot of it. It was a fun one to watch, and we all watched it because it's kind of in our representative. We want to cheer on our buddies. Um, but yeah, it did really, really well. I I remember when the STO, so when it first came out, we had a buddy who bought one, like, I think sticker on these was, like, low 400s. And then it dipped down to like the 300s if you track the secondary market. This is the first one I've seen where they've they've started to have public transactions above what they originally stickered for, which is really, I I do think that they're super cool cars.

• 1:10:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's so cool. You know, I, the Huracan in general is an awesome car. I love the Huracan in general, but the S and and my favorite is the Strato personally, but like you, the bodywork on the S2 is cool. Like, it almost doesn't look like a Huracan. It like, looks like a different and more special creature. It's the the wide body and the and the bizarre, like, yeah, the little streaks on the on the engine lid.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  It's like the Diablo GT to the regular Diablo, where like you change enough panels that it's hard to think of it in the same way you think of a Huracan. Like, it is a distinct vehicle.

• 1:10:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  Uh, I want to talk about one other car too, which is the Rivian R2. We have a Rivian R2 live right now.

• 1:10:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:44Speaker 03

  Uh, but we also sold one last week for $63,500, which is really interesting because that's about two grand above MSRP for one of these. And what that's when the R1S came out and when the R1T came out, which was the first Rivian to come out. We were selling them left and right for notably over sticker. Yeah. It but that's because they couldn't build them quickly enough to satisfy the demand. Clearly, the the launch of the R2, some quality issues aside, because there have been a bunch of reports of, uh, of some quality issues, um, with the earliest ones. It seems like they're building them. They're delivering them. They're building them and therefore they're worth sticker.

• 1:11:19Doug DeMuro?

  The situation's a little more complicated than that. When the R1 came out, they also jacked up the price of new ones if you hadn't had an initial deposit. And so there were a lot of people who were flipping the the early ones and and getting a ton more than their deposit over, you know, because the sticker price had changed. Number two, I think R1 buyers are less price sensitive than R2 buyers. I think there were people in the R1 world who were willing to pay big money to be first, whereas the R2 world is more of a buyer who would wait six months to get a car at the right number because they don't want being first to have an R2 is definitely not the prize that being first to have an R1 was for three years ago. Nonetheless, it is interesting. Um, I'm happy to see these cars live on the site. I love the R2. I think the R2 is gonna kill the R1, frankly, even though Rivian insists it won't.

• 1:12:04Doug DeMuro?

  Um, very desirable car and and the market is relatively strong because it's a very desirable car. Nick, why don't you look at one of these?

• 1:12:11Speaker 04

  Yep, we did. We test drove an R1S not because we went to third row. Um, it's not a plug-in hybrid, as you noted before, which is sort of its main drawback. We I enjoyed driving it, but, um, the regenerative braking definitely takes some getting used to. So like, the test drive did not sell the vehicle because we just, we were both driving, like, my my wife joked, I had to take out like a apology ad in the newspaper for how badly I drove because we just kept going like this the whole time. But I think you drive it a week, you get used to it.

• 1:12:38Speaker 03

  You get really get used to driving the car with classics, but, uh,

• 1:12:41Doug DeMuro?

  Up and Ensign is they're still using the newspaper for their apology ads, people.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Yep. Isn't that what you do, I presume? The Nantucket Current or whatever it would be called.

• 1:12:50Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the Inquirer.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, the R2, uh, is such a compelling product. It'll be interesting to see where this performance one, which is a little more desirable of a trim. Uh, I guess it's actually the same, slightly better equipped than the other one, um, where the diesel lands.

• 1:13:04Speaker 04

  All right, it's your money. It's your money, Filippo. You buying this or a Mach-E for a really good deal?

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't think I could ever convince myself to, I mean, I spent more than this for the 911, but not by that much. And I don't think I convinced myself to spend this for my daily drive.

• 1:13:17Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, the cars ending today.

• 1:13:19Speaker 03

  Half the price, yeah.

• 1:13:20Doug DeMuro?

  The cars ending today are the greatest cars we've ever had live. This Nissan Pulsar, which looks like a Sentra but with like a a rounded off tailgate. I am very excited. Huh?

• 1:13:32Speaker 03

  Are you not familiar with the Pulsar?

• 1:13:34Doug DeMuro?

  This particular Pulsar, though, is later than the USA Pulsars. This looks like like the late 90s Sentra with like a rounded off back. Then, then you didn't tell me we had a really clean Grand Prix GTP. Why didn't you tell me that?

• 1:13:46Speaker 03

  I I should have because it's so cool. One owner, less than 20,000 miles, unmodified.

• 1:13:51Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you're not interested in this? This is a blown 3800.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  I do remember those when they were new, like, that was a hot car new. Now, I I don't know if there's quite the following it once had, but, uh, yeah, they were cool.

• 1:14:03Doug DeMuro?

  It's so cool. And then there's that six-wheeled Raptor.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:08Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, Cars and Bids delivers the finest machines. Uh, okay, can we move on to the questions?

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  I want to say aloud, there's so many great cars live, period. Uh, and if you're in the market for an an LC, Lexus LC, uh, figure it out because boy, has the market gone wild.

• 1:14:26Doug DeMuro?

  Why are we the place that everybody's selling their LCs all of a sudden? Cars and Bids is like LC Depot.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  Also, we have three a week.

• 1:14:34Doug DeMuro?

  There's so many.

• 1:14:35Speaker 04

  Constantly what a hidden gem it is and how great they are.

• 1:14:38Speaker 03

  Understand the market for these at the moment, like, they're ending production after this year, but this 2026 convertible, which was admittedly a good color, uh, well specs for $157. MSRP on it. To this year was 120. So it's selling for way above MSRP. This 2021 sold for 95. We've sold all of these that are just getting such high interest and demand, which is great, but I don't fully understand why now. Like, why is that now? Um, I also wonder how they're selling at dealers. Like, is it tough to get an LC now that they're ending production?

• 1:15:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I don't know, but every time one of these comes live on the site, I kind of, I think to myself, damn, I want one of those. I can just tell. This is gonna be a desirable car. Um, it just is. I want to move on to the questions, which this week were not good. So I want to tell people again how to ask the questions. You go to carsandbids.com, go to carsandbids.com, Filippo, you click on the community tab at the top, and then there's a post somewhere that says podcast questions. Now, sometimes Ryan Lopez forgets to make the post, but for God's sake, people, ask us questions, write in. If you ever had a question for Filippo, if you ever wanted to know why he is the way he is, this is your opportunity.

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  I can't get that deep on that at any given moment. But by the way, there were 369 questions last week. We're none, none, none good.

• 1:15:59Doug DeMuro?

  I had to go so deep down to find good questions that were like real sink your teeth into rather than like, if you could put a manual in any car, I it's very important that we have like good thought-provoking questions because if you if you have a a basic, non-thought-provoking question, Nick will will not pay attention.

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  Oh, so true.

• 1:16:21Doug DeMuro?

  You lose Nick.

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  Lose Nick.

• 1:16:23Doug DeMuro?

  So, Nick, this first question is actually for you. The, uh, Metal Max, dear team members and Doug, but really it's for you. An Alfa Romeo dealership by me recently closed and opened up as an Ineos Grenadier dealership.

• 1:16:37Doug DeMuro?

  How many more unsuccessful dealerships? How, how bad will Ineos be unsuccessful? What dealership will replace them in nine months when they close? A great question.

• 1:16:48Speaker 04

  The dealership that will replace them is Mitsubishi, which will then also last a subsequent nine months.

• 1:16:54Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I don't think Mitsubishi is opening new dealers. I think you have to think of a brand that's like, it's like, that's like, you know, trying right now to like really break through the surface. It's going to be like a Polestar dealer or something.

• 1:17:05Speaker 03

  Right, right. They're actually in the market about opening in Minnesota.

• 1:17:09Speaker 04

  Fisker version three.

• 1:17:10Speaker 03

  Fisker be three.

• 1:17:11Speaker 04

  Instead of his wife as the CFO, it's going to be his daughter who.

• 1:17:14Doug DeMuro?

  I do think a lot about Ineos.

• 1:17:16Speaker 04

  Took a Dave Ramsey course.

• 1:17:17Doug DeMuro?

  My presumption is that Ineos will fail. Filippo, do you have any thoughts on the topic?

• 1:17:21Speaker 03

  I have not looked at any of sales numbers, frankly.

• 1:17:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I mean, have you looked at their incentives?

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  No. Uh, 30,000 vehicles globally. Apparently Q1 was a strong quarter, up 20, up 20% year over year. May, maybe they'll succeed.

• 1:17:37Doug DeMuro?

  I think the car is cool. It's too expensive and basically everybody who wants one has got one. Um, yeah. And they need to iterate.

• 1:17:46Speaker 03

  Like we need something to grow 30% year over year.

• 1:17:48Speaker 04

  It kind of, it gives you not, not in terms of the look, but the Cybertruck had a okay first year. Then it just like dropped off a clip because of Doug's point. Like everyone who wanted one, got one and there were no buyers left. And I, I personally like the Ineos Grenadier. Like if, if I had to choose a new SUV of that price point, like I, I could see it, but there's, there's just not a lot of people who want to spend that much for that analog of an SUV. Um, and they're probably tapped.

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  I, I suspect that they'll kind of keep continuing okay. Their development costs were high, but like at this point they're not changing anything.

• 1:18:23Speaker 04

  As an enthusiast, I love the idea. I love the brand. I, I think it's absolutely cool, but it is such a limited use case. Like it's very niche. They're gonna, and I don't know how you expand the product line.

• 1:18:34Doug DeMuro?

  And their two products in the pickup truck is not competitive because of its pricing and just will never be. Um, I'm here, I, my little town here on the East Coast is SUV heaven and the Grenadier SUV is everywhere. And I've only seen two of the trucks. The trucks just don't exist.

• 1:18:49Speaker 03

  The chicken tax does apply to it on top of the other tariffs that also apply to it.

• 1:18:53Doug DeMuro?

  The chicken tax, Nick, they're taxing chickens for God's sake.

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:18:58Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question.

• 1:18:59Speaker 03

  He's a vegan, he doesn't care.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  I'm not a vegan.

• 1:19:01Doug DeMuro?

  Brand used Tesla FTW. This is a great question. Would you have reacted just as negatively to the Ferrari Luce if it looked like a proper Ferrari?

• 1:19:15Speaker 03

  Uh, and that you don't think that the Ferrari Luce looks like a proper Ferrari? Is that what you're saying?

• 1:19:20Doug DeMuro?

  Here on this podcast, uh, we've been, we, we say what Ferrari told us to say. And it's a, a great step forward for the brand and, uh.

• 1:19:28Speaker 04

  That would be the Purosangue.

• 1:19:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  Which funny enough, I saw one yesterday, uh, Saturday was.

• 1:19:33Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, wait, wait, hang on, hang on. No, no, no. Purosangue is opposite. It doesn't look like a proper Ferrari, but it has like the powertrain of one.

• 1:19:40Speaker 04

  I think it, I think it, it does look like a proper Ferrari to me, at least now in comparison. When I saw it on Saturday, I thought that looks really good. And actually in person, it has a little bit more of like a car-like proportion. Swooping lines, like it now looks like a Ferrari to me.

• 1:19:54Doug DeMuro?

  The question's implication is if this looked like an Enzo or an F50, but it was electric, would we still have had the same react?

• 1:20:02Speaker 03

  I, I, yes, I, I, I get why they felt the need to go to the extremes because they were going to get a negative reaction either way. Clearly there has not been strong market interest in electric supercars. The, the Rimots, the Pirelli Batista, no real interest fundamentally. And so I get why they felt like the path forward was to make something that was out of the norm and out of their normal mold. Uh, because they're going to get a negative reaction anyways. They may as well try to go to the, work the segment that has actual EV demand, which is more practical cars, uh, something that you can drive around your Europeans.

• 1:20:36Speaker 04

  And even a better example, I think is the Taycan is actually a very good looking vehicle, as is the RS E-tron.

• 1:20:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:42Speaker 04

  And even those were kind of flops in the long run. So you could even, even doing a really well-designed sports sedan is still not going to be a hit based on the comps in the market, which is, so this is the only thing people haven't tried is let me find a sexier Nissan Leaf and put a Ferrari badge on it.

• 1:20:59Doug DeMuro?

  I disagree. I think if it looked really like a Ferrari, not even necessarily like a 296, but if they had gone maybe a little retro or something, really like a Ferrari. I think that there would have been an outcry that they're going electric, but a lot of, yeah, well, they had to, sort of like when the Cayenne came out or the Bentayga or the Purosangue. I think that the fact that they not only went electric into a segment where we already know there's not a lot of demand, but did it with a frumpy four-door car really magnified the criticism on that car. And I think if they had really done it well with the fake shifting and a really cool look, I actually really truly believe, uh, it wouldn't have gotten that much hate. I still don't think it would have been a sales success.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:21:42Doug DeMuro?

  Which obviously the Luce won't be either because it is.

• 1:21:44Speaker 03

  Hey, they've sold out for 2026.

• 1:21:46Doug DeMuro?

  What's that?

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  They, they, they have said this week that they have filled their order books for 2026.

• 1:21:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, there's, I've already talked to people who are getting pressured into ordering them.

• 1:21:56Speaker 04

  Uh, it's, it's again, the Cybertruck. Okay, there, there's going to be a certain demographic that needs to buy it to stay in their good graces. Yeah. Once those are tapped, good luck.

• 1:22:05Speaker 03

  Doug, I don't necessarily disagree, but I don't think that any of Ferrari's recent designs, like I don't think anything in their recent design book shows that they can design a car that people like. I don't think the A400 Terosa looks particularly great. We, we've seen it recently at our Cars and Coffee. I don't think it's an appealing car. I don't think it looks great.

• 1:22:24Doug DeMuro?

  The 296 is universally agreed to be beautiful.

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  But that, that at this point is not really their current styling direction.

• 1:22:30Doug DeMuro?

  I think, I think that they would have had to go in a different way. I think a, a modern day F40 looking thing with, with an EV and the performance of a really crazy car, I think what people would have been at least accepting of it. I think that adding to the frumpy, adding to the shock of electric, which are, which is not popular or desirable, with a not popular or desirable design really magnified the criticism.

• 1:22:52Speaker 04

  I agree with Doug. It's, it seems like they gave themselves every handicap possible. Like they, they could have, I, I agree, it never would be a smash success. The enthusiasts would never be proud of it, but they could have made it a lot less worse. And it would have, people would have eventually warmed to accept it versus I think the Luce being a Nissan Leaf looking vehicle sort of dooms it from the start. Like it's, it's going to be a much bigger window they have to crawl back from versus like, hey, otherwise like on paper, it's leading and it looks cool. Like you could kind of learn to love the electric component of it and overlook that.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:27Speaker 04

  As opposed to everything about it is bad. The interior is bad or at least takes some getting used to.

• 1:23:34Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna, you're gonna see him everywhere at Car Week, Nick. Are you excited?

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  Do you think?

• 1:23:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, they'll be around.

• 1:23:38Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:38Speaker 04

  Really?

• 1:23:39Doug DeMuro?

  The Ferrari is going to be driving them around as, as press cars to shuttle people around it. Cause Ferrari is desperate now. They need to sell these things. They need to.

• 1:23:45Speaker 04

  Well, allegedly they're, they're gonna, they're gonna sell VIN one or 001 at RM at Car Week, which, you know, la- last year, remember they sold the SP3 for like 26 million and it was a charity auction. The Luce will be a charity auction, so it'll be interesting to see. It clearly won't get the outsized result the SP3 did because, you know, at the end of the day, at least you get an SP3 out of it for your donation.

• 1:24:08Doug DeMuro?

  The, uh, the charity auction, uh, it's going to sell for under sticker.

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  Uh, despite the fact that it's. They're, they're estimating a million is what I think RM put on it.

• 1:24:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:18Speaker 04

  Which is, is not even double the, the sticker. As opposed to an SP3, I think is what a three, four or four sticker maybe?

• 1:24:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:24:25Speaker 04

  Like it got 6X.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  They, they are saddled with, it doesn't look great. I, I do really understand the direct, like trying to go a different direction for this product, but it could have looked better. Even if it didn't look like a traditional Ferrari, it could have looked nice. I also don't think it's that competitive. Like if, uh, first drives are, are out, by the way, it's the same journalist that did the first look selected by Ferrari. They had to film everything on Ferrari cameras. Ferrari owned the footage and has kept the footage till now because that has an embargo is, it's a whole thing. Uh, credit to Marques Brownlee, uh, and his autofocus channel. They were actually very upfront about, yeah, that all worked. Um, but.

• 1:24:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, what's his review? What's his review though?

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's on the Ferrari test track. It's, it seems kind of fine.

• 1:25:07Doug DeMuro?

  I'm excited to watch that.

• 1:25:08Speaker 03

  The Ferrari driver, like Ferrari person in the car with them, it's a weird look. I, but what I was gonna say is it's something like, uh, 950 horsepower, 1,000 horsepower. There's a bunch of, uh, drag races of the new Cayenne Turbo EV out, and that car is smoking everything. CarVale has done a bunch of drag races with it. The Ferrari isn't even that fast. The, the performance I doubt is actually up to par with the fastest EVs.

• 1:25:31Speaker 04

  And remember, that's why fundamentally the Tesla Model S was so successful.

• 1:25:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:35Speaker 04

  Is people weren't necessarily ready for EV yet, but they said the performance of this car is so good that it gives me a compelling reason to switch and I can look past the fact that it's no longer an internal combustion engine. That's what Ferrari needed. They needed a car so compelling that people could look past the EV part and instead they gave us the Luce.

• 1:25:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:25:54Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. I need to move on to a few other questions, which are very good. I, i- in the midst of all the badness, we got some good. The best question comes from the entirety. Dear Doug and friends, the Stig Ben Collins just released a video on his channel saying the Carrera GT is his favorite car of all time. Uh, a lot to do with the engine design for F1 and he talks lap times with the SLR. Does this settle the debate about the engine's origin once and for all? Um, no, I don't think it does. I really don't think it was really derived from F1. I think that's kind of a story that's told. Uh, I only say it to piss off Kenan. I did think that was an interesting video for a couple of reasons. Did you watch that video, Nick?

• 1:26:29Speaker 04

  I did, and I really enjoyed it. I, what I, my takeaway was I think Ben Collins is either a fan of yours or watches this car pod because how else is he getting all this footwork propaganda?

• 1:26:41Doug DeMuro?

  I think that, that first off, it's incredibly flattering for anybody who's into the Carrera GT or has one or has always loved one, uh, to hear that Ben Collins, who's one of the more accomplished, driven everything people ever, to say that it's the greatest driving car of all time. That's really cool. Um, how about the fact that he wasn't even able to equal his old lap times?

• 1:27:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:00Doug DeMuro?

  In the car today.

• 1:27:02Speaker 04

  Well, it's funny, and that was the craziest part. Again, I was like, this video was made for Doug DeMuro because he specifically calls out, he's like, I think the springs over 20 years have lost a little bit of their firmness. And more or less implied, you need to do a KW coil over conversion. He didn't say that part. But he said, I, I think the tires I would have expected to improve the times, but I think the tired suspension is holding it back.

• 1:27:24Doug DeMuro?

  And to be clear.

• 1:27:25Speaker 04

  The audience concludes, I need to send it to Jim or Posse.

• 1:27:28Doug DeMuro?

  Anybody who drives their Carrera GT, anybody has replaced the suspension, period. There's no exceptions to that. The only people who are still on old suspension are people with show cars, like a thousand mile cars, period. So that's like not, that's not unusual in the community, unique to me or anything. There's hundreds of cars that have had suspension replaced. I also found it, but I, but nonetheless, it was interesting that he didn't get the, get, beat the lap time. He did say that we probably could beat it if I really started taking some risks. Uh, but obviously it's a different situation when you're driving a two and a half million dollar car that belongs to a guy versus a $400,000 car that belongs to a company like you did 20 years ago. The thing that I found also interesting was the comparison to the SLR. He said that he only got like a second faster in period in the Carrera GT versus the SLR on that track. How about that?

• 1:28:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, didn't he also say on the SLR though, that Mercedes was really curmudgeonly about letting?

• 1:28:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:19Speaker 04

  They wouldn't let him drive. They had to use their drivers and like, they were very like odd about it in a way that

• 1:28:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:25Speaker 04

  was unusual, but yeah, no, I mean, the, the SLR is a serious car despite no one caring or paying any attention to it today.

• 1:28:32Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. I agree with that. Yeah. Anyway, it was an interesting video. It's worth a watch. It gets a little technical in the second half, but it's interesting to hear him kind of go through in the first like third of it, just talking about why he loves the car so much and all that. Um, yeah. And that SLR tidbit was interesting. The SLR's time, even years later, we find out, was actually set by Mercedes own drivers. I think they were, I think they were very self-conscious of the fact that they were coming out with this sort of portly automatic supercar compared to their rivals coming out with, with, you know, these mid-engine focused cars. But the SLR was, was and is a fantastic car that too many people overlook. Not Nick though, tell you that.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  Not me. The, the other thing that I loved about the video was they just did such a good job at capturing it on the track. Like the, the angles of the videography, the sounds, like

• 1:29:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:17Speaker 04

  Too many videos about the Carrera GT are just about like, oh, my paint this sample. I recommissioned it to have Pepita inserts. Like here is him driving the literal snot out of it. And then he does a lap, gets the lap time and says that I'm going to push it harder. And then he does a lap, I, I need to push it harder to the point where he's like, if I push it any harder, I might die or total the car. But like, it was so fun to see someone drive a Carrera GT that.

• 1:29:40Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, coincidentally, Chris Harris also just released a video where he's bombing a Carrera GT.

• 1:29:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:46Doug DeMuro?

  And watching both those videos, the, both those videos get the sound really accurate. Having done 6,000 miles in the car, they are really good at getting the sound both inside and out. Although I can always tell when it's an inside sound versus an outside sound. And sometimes the camera's positioned on the outside, but I, you can, you know, the sound is on the inside.

• 1:30:03Speaker 04

  You specifically know for sure.

• 1:30:06Doug DeMuro?

  Next question, uh, from Pinotti Belar, Belair. This is a great question. It's for Nick. Schme150 is coming to the US for Car Week. Is a pod episode featuring him scheduled? No, it's not. But Nick, what are your plans to hang out with Tim Schme?

• 1:30:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, you go to Car Week. I imagine the, the quail every year has all the car influencers, for lack of a better word. So yeah, I'm sure we'll, we'll say what's up, you know?

• 1:30:31Speaker 03

  Say what's up.

• 1:30:31Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean, say what's up? You gotta have more than that for him. You're gonna be Tim Schme.

• 1:30:35Speaker 04

  And I guess with Tim, it'd be like, hey, good day, mate. You know, or whatever the British say.

• 1:30:40Doug DeMuro?

  He's.

• 1:30:43Speaker 04

  Top of the morning to you.

• 1:30:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, he's a southern British man. Uh, okay. Filippo, one more or two more? You pick.

• 1:30:50Speaker 03

  Uh, let's do two more.

• 1:30:52Doug DeMuro?

  Two more.

• 1:30:53Speaker 04

  Filippo, are we gonna see you at Car Week by the way?

• 1:30:55Speaker 03

  I will not be there unfortunately.

• 1:30:56Speaker 04

  You will not be there?

• 1:30:56Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:30:57Speaker 04

  Too expensive?

• 1:30:57Speaker 03

  Yes, just, I don't, I can't have that much time with you.

• 1:31:00Doug DeMuro?

  From Nap Town Fizzle, as a, as a child, was there a car that your parents considered but didn't end up getting that you still regret? That's a great question. Nick, when you were growing up rich, what were your parents thinking about but didn't end up with?

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• 1:31:47Speaker 04

  That's a good one that I will have to think on. I, I can't recall any.

• 1:31:50Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell, I'll tell you one that, that I go the opposite on. My mom, when I was 15, a year before I started driving, sold her 1993 one-owner manual transmission four-wheel-drive Isuzu Rodeo. That we had low mileage and it was like a robust body-on-frame truck. And she sold that just before I started driving to buy a Mazda Tribute, which was a rebadged Ford Explorer, which has lasted her for many years and was also a great car. But that was a sad, my parents never considered a car that they like, didn't get that would have been cooler. Filippo, what do you got?

• 1:32:23Speaker 03

  I got nothing. We didn't move through cars very often or frequently. Nothing that great.

• 1:32:28Speaker 04

  We didn't really have a lot of cool cars either. I mean, the ML320 was probably our coolest car.

• 1:32:32Doug DeMuro?

  You had a, you had a Touareg 1, you had an ML320. Your parents were rich. They must've thought about a lot of stuff.

• 1:32:37Speaker 04

  Think, think of the consideration set when buying either of those vehicles. Like the ML320, you'd crush up against a Lexus RX like that. But I don't feel like I missed out there.

• 1:32:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:46Speaker 04

  Did Jaguar RX type?

• 1:32:48Doug DeMuro?

  Did your parents consider a first gen Allroad?

• 1:32:53Speaker 04

  I don't think so. That would have been cool. That would, I would have taken that over Touareg. But I don't think I would have liked, like, I don't regret that today. It's not like you couldn't go find an Allroad tomorrow for $600.

• 1:33:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Here's an interesting fact.

• 1:33:04Speaker 04

  Crush on us.

• 1:33:05Doug DeMuro?

  My parents, for my, my brother bought my brother's first car in 1991 Lexus ES250. Do you know that car? Have we sold one of those?

• 1:33:16Speaker 04

  You're saying, you're saying I had rich parents, a Lexus for the first car?

• 1:33:20Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know what the ES250 is?

• 1:33:21Speaker 04

  Oh, we have.

• 1:33:23Doug DeMuro?

  We have?

• 1:33:24Speaker 04

  It's, isn't that the Camry? Basically?

• 1:33:26Doug DeMuro?

  Well, but, but back in, the first generation was especially cynical. They didn't, it wasn't until 92 or maybe 93 that they like really separated the Camry and the Lexus ES. The first generation was a really cynically rebadged Toyota Camry that was just sort of tarted up a little bit in order to kind of fill out Lexus's product line at their launch. They had three cars when they launched, the SC, the LS and this. And within a couple of years, they had made this good and the ES has lasted ever since. Um, but we bought one of these, my parents bought for my brother for like five grand as a used car. And it was going to be my first car and he totaled it three weeks after he got his driver's license.

• 1:34:04Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:34:06Speaker 03

  Damn. I said, you got a Volvo?

• 1:34:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:34:09Speaker 03

  A five-cylinder turbo. I, I will say compared to having you drive, I, the, the rodeo would have been cooler, but also from like every statistical standpoint, notably less safe. People at the time rolled over all the SUVs all the time.

• 1:34:22Doug DeMuro?

  I'm, I'm.

• 1:34:23Speaker 04

  Not more though. My first car, the Ford Explorer, my parents said, you have a $10,000 budget. And I said, okay, great. I want an E30. And they said, no, you can't have a BMW. The optics are too bad. I really, I'm still mad about that. Because an E30 would have been so cool and so much better in every way. I also looked at, you could get at the time, like Ford Toruses with like no miles. Uh, there's, I, I was almost bought a Cadillac, uh, what's the biggest one? DeVille. Because you could find DeVille's under 10 grand. I'm like, oh, it's a luxury car, but it is the most grandpa car ever. And I can't imagine myself rolling around high school in a DeVille, but those are sort of the alternatives that I looked at.

• 1:35:02Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I really wanted and was available for the same money as that Volvo we got was a Corrado. I really wanted a Corrado.

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  You and Jason Cavieza could have been such closer.

• 1:35:11Doug DeMuro?

  We could have been. I wanted an SLC, which was the V6 1994. I really wanted a Corrado. And back then though, the problem was like, this was 2004. And it wasn't based on what you wanted. It was sort of based on what came up in the paper classified section. You remember this, Nick? Like, so like I wanted a Corrado. They were rare even then. I mean, they were, they were 10-year-old cars. Um, they never were common. And so like, I always looked every day hoping for one, but like one never showed up, you know?

• 1:35:39Speaker 04

  And remember the, the one it adds in the newspaper or, or the for sale ads, you paid by the letter. So not only, you, you had to like call because

• 1:35:47Speaker 03

  TWPS.

• 1:35:48Speaker 04

  Sometimes you didn't understand the abbreviations.

• 1:35:50Speaker 03

  PL.

• 1:35:50Speaker 04

  Other times like they just left off so much information because they didn't want to pay for it. So you, you had to call and then like, maybe they sold it three weeks ago, but like

• 1:35:57Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:35:58Speaker 04

  they bought the ad for the month. Like it was such a process.

• 1:36:01Doug DeMuro?

  It was such a process. That's how I

• 1:36:03Speaker 04

  Or you go to the dealer.

• 1:36:04Doug DeMuro?

  That's how I found my first car Volvo, for sure. It was, uh, in the newspaper.

• 1:36:09Speaker 03

  Congratulations to you both on getting a, a car. That was nice.

• 1:36:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:36:13Doug DeMuro?

  Excuse me?

• 1:36:13Speaker 03

  That was my first car. I was in college.

• 1:36:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yo, give me a break over here, Filippo, Mr. Man of the People. Meanwhile, Filippo, cross-country skied everywhere.

• 1:36:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, he had a snow machine.

• 1:36:24Doug DeMuro?

  He had a snow machine.

• 1:36:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, there, there's no mountains. You can't go downhill skiing.

• 1:36:30Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Last question. Uh, last question from Ophalees. Pod peeps, what's a normal car that you are shocked to see on the road?

• 1:36:41Speaker 04

  Oh, there's so many. Truly so many. I, I care too much. Doug and I, I think both care too much about the normal cars.

• 1:36:47Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god.

• 1:36:48Speaker 04

  Not be a long list.

• 1:36:49Doug DeMuro?

  First, starting from a Lexus ES250. When I see an ES250 on a blowaway, yesterday here in Massachusetts, I saw a Isuzu Oasis.

• 1:36:57Speaker 03

  Whoa, really? Yesterday I was driving somewhere with my wife and I pointed out a car in a driveway and she was, looked at me like I was insane. But I don't remember what it was. It was no good to me at that moment though.

• 1:37:07Doug DeMuro?

  I'll go alphabetically for you. Okay, accurate. EL, CSX, RLX.

• 1:37:14Speaker 03

  So, an RLX or an RL of any generation, I would note.

• 1:37:19Doug DeMuro?

  SLX, Vigor.

• 1:37:22Doug DeMuro?

  Um Audi, normal Audis, anything pre 2000.

• 1:37:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, RS6 is a Vantage. I don't really look at anymore.

• 1:37:29Doug DeMuro?

  Those aren't normal. They're not normal.

• 1:37:31Speaker 03

  They're everywhere.

• 1:37:33Doug DeMuro?

  Any Audi pre 2000.

• 1:37:34Speaker 03

  A 2.7 TDI. I know.

• 1:37:38Doug DeMuro?

  I can think of about eight cars from every brand that when I'm like, when I see, I'm like, oh my God. Subaru XT, SVX. Honestly, Tribecas are getting to that point. Baja, of course.

• 1:37:50Speaker 03

  I thought you were going alphabetically. How'd you jump to Subaru?

• 1:37:52Doug DeMuro?

  Cause I just, we could, we could go alphabetically or we could have a little fun. Uh, what else?

• 1:37:57Speaker 03

  So many.

• 1:37:59Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, name the most, the Mazda that you would find most interesting to see randomly.

• 1:38:03Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:38:04Doug DeMuro?

  I, there's a correct answer to this.

• 1:38:06Speaker 03

  There are two correct answers.

• 1:38:08Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:38:08Speaker 03

  Three correct answers. A 929, a Millenia and a first gen MPV.

• 1:38:12Doug DeMuro?

  Nope. The correct answer is Navajo. Even more obscure.

• 1:38:17Speaker 03

  I mean, yeah, you're not wrong. You're not wrong.

• 1:38:19Doug DeMuro?

  First gen MPV is really good though. Although I personally was a fan of the MPV Allsport, which was technically still the first gen, but it was like at the very end of the road.

• 1:38:26Speaker 03

  I count that as first gen.

• 1:38:27Doug DeMuro?

  A 929 would be good. Yeah. A Millenia S would be good for sure. Okay. Filippo, what about a, what about a Lincoln? What Lincoln would you be most, most excited to see?

• 1:38:38Speaker 03

  Continental Coach Door, but that, that's not normal.

• 1:38:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:42Speaker 03

  I, I always pay attention when I see an LS in case it's a manual.

• 1:38:47Doug DeMuro?

  Manual LS for sure. Zephyr, I think Zephyr's interesting because it was a year only before they changed the nomenclature.

• 1:38:53Speaker 03

  I'll, I'll shout out our coworker Nolan, who has a deep thing for the EcoBoost MKSs.

• 1:38:58Doug DeMuro?

  How about the Blackwood?

• 1:39:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I see a surprising number of Blackwoods. I don't know how.

• 1:39:03Doug DeMuro?

  MKS is a great one.

• 1:39:05Speaker 03

  It is. Uh.

• 1:39:07Doug DeMuro?

  MKT EcoBoost.

• 1:39:09Speaker 03

  Yes. Oh, an MKT EcoBoost. An MKT period I would know, but an EcoBoost, damn.

• 1:39:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:15Speaker 03

  Nick, we've lost Nick Foley. He's on ChatGPT asking about Lincoln.

• 1:39:18Speaker 04

  No, I, I, to me, my, my cars that I like are the discontinued and somewhat like scandal and blazing ones. Like a Fisker Ocean. Whenever I see one of those, I'm pretty excited.

• 1:39:28Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Filippo, Filippo, give me a Hyundai and then we're going to end the pod. What Hyundai would you be most excited to see? What like obscure Hyundai?

• 1:39:37Speaker 03

  Man, Veracruz.

• 1:39:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's a good one. What about XG300?

• 1:39:43Speaker 03

  Sure. I would prefer to see a Kia Monte, but I don't know. But like, yeah.

• 1:39:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. No, me too. Obviously any pre 2000 Hyundai scoop and all that, but that's like, they don't, they're off the road.

• 1:39:54Speaker 03

  To give it.

• 1:39:55Doug DeMuro?

  That's a given. Yeah. I mean, I, I think any enthusiast would get excited about such a car. Yeah.

• 1:39:59Speaker 03

  Right. Any enthusiast. Certainly every single person, to be fair, every single person is still listening an hour and 40 minutes in.

• 1:40:05Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh, we're still talking?

• 1:40:07Speaker 03

  Still talking.

• 1:40:07Doug DeMuro?

  Veracruz is a good one. Okay. That's the end of the pod. Good night, everybody. Absolute pleasure. Thank you so much for listening. Nick, got any parting words for us?

• 1:40:17Speaker 04

  Well, I just want to say again, congratulations to Kevin and Brittany for your,

• 1:40:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, congratulations.

• 1:40:21Speaker 04

  Your car themed wedding. They had me bring the Range Rover convertible to do some photos from the, the reception to the, the, or the ceremony, the reception. And then they changed their mind and made boy thorough.

• 1:40:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:40:32Speaker 04

  And I was like, man, I taped together my convertible top. You can't cancel on me. But uh, we're really happy for you guys. Um, seriously, that's awesome.

• 1:40:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Shout out to them.

• 1:40:42Doug DeMuro?

  Pleasure. See you guys. Wonderful pod. Goodbye.