The Devil Made Me Do It: Demonic Possession and Murder in a Small Town

A small Connecticut town witnesses its first murder ever. The culprit is an unlikely, quiet teenager who swears he was not in control of his own body. His supporters, however, think they know exactly what drove the young man to kill his victim: a case of demonic possession. Sources for this episode include: The Devil in Connecticut by Ed Brittle, Ed Warren, and Lorraine WarrenLynn Darling’s reporting for The Washington Post Keep up with Killer Stories! Instagram: @killerstoriespodTikTok: @killerstoriespodX: @killerstorieshq Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:07Harvey Guillén?

  There's an old parable. A scorpion asks a frog to carry him across a river. And the frog refuses. He'll get stung. And the scorpion laughs, "Well, if I sting you, we'll both drown. I'm not stupid." It makes sense, so the frog agrees. And halfway across the river, the scorpion stings him. As they both sink, the frog gasps, "Why?" And the scorpion says, "I couldn't help it. It's my nature." It's supposed to be a story about what's inevitable. But the scorpion still made a choice.

• 0:50Harvey Guillén?

  He climbed on, and when the moment came, he chose to sting. We like to think evil is simple. Bad people do bad things. But what happens when someone commits murder and says, "It wasn't me. Something else made me do it." Do we believe him? Or do we decide that everyone's responsible for their own venom? I'm Harvey Guillén, and this is Killer Stories.

• 1:46Harvey Guillén?

  Brookfield, Connecticut, is one of those small towns where the biggest headline in the paper is usually about the church bake sale or a new stop sign going up. Nothing too sensational. It's been around for nearly 200 years, and in all that time, nobody's ever been murdered here, not once. Until February 16, 1981.

• 2:11Harvey Guillén?

  Around 6:30 in the evening, police respond to a call at a dog kennel. When they arrive, they find a man on the floor in a pool of blood. His name is Alan Bono. He's 40 years old, and he's been stabbed multiple times. He's rushed to the hospital, but he doesn't make it. The police don't have to look far for their suspect. About two miles from the kennel, they find a 19-year-old sitting on the side of the road, wearing bloody clothes. His name is Arnie Cheyenne Johnson. He goes by Cheyenne. He tells police he blacked out. He doesn't remember a thing.

• 2:56Harvey Guillén?

  But the police have enough evidence to arrest him and take him to jail. Which would be the end of a fairly straightforward murder case, except one thing. Pretty soon, police hear things about demons, and possession, and forces beyond human control. Things that turn this quiet town into the host of the first demonic possession murder trial in American history. But before we get to the courtroom, we need to rewind. Because this case doesn't start with Cheyenne.

• 3:35Harvey Guillén?

  It starts with an 11-year-old boy and a demon that just wouldn't leave him alone. It's the summer of 1980. Cheyenne Johnson is 19 and newly engaged to a woman named Debbie Glatzl. Cheyenne had grown up as the kind of kid parents pointed to us, "You gotta be more like him." You know, an example. He played Little League baseball. He sang in the church choir, voiced like an angel. Once, he saved up all his earnings to buy his mother a used car, so she didn't have to walk to work anymore. Sweet kid, right? But he also has to grow up fast.

• 4:20Harvey Guillén?

  When his mother gets sick, he drops out of high school to support his mom and younger siblings. Plus, Debbie has a child of her own. So by the time most kids his age are worrying about prom, Cheyenne's already a stepfather. Cheyenne and Debbie have spent the summer searching for a home of their own. And they've just found this perfect little cottage with yellow walls and green shutters. It's right outside of Brookfield, close to Debbie's parents. It's everything they want. July 2nd is move-in day, and Debbie's mother, Judy, comes over to help. She brings her three other kids, including 11-year-old David.

• 5:05Harvey Guillén?

  In one of the bedrooms, there's a water bed left behind by the old tenants. The other kids flop down on it, giggling, but David, flat-out refuses. He just stands there, staring at the mattress like it personally offended him. Debbie and Cheyenne don't think much of it. The rest of the day goes smoothly. That evening, they all have dinner at Judy's house. David then reveals what really happened in that room with the water bed. Okay, let's talk for a second. What you're about to hear sounds impossible. Possessions, exorcism, and a demon hopping from one person to another like a game of supernatural hot potato.

• 5:48Harvey Guillén?

  And look, I don't know what actually happened in that house. None of us do. Most of what we know comes from a book written by a couple of famous paranormal investigators. Does that make them expert witnesses or unreliable narrators? Well, that depends on what you believe about the world. If demons are real, then they're the people you'd want on the case. And if they're not, well, you see where I'm going with this. It's complicated. So here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to tell you this story, the way it's been told for over 40 years, by the people who lived through it. Sound good? Okay, let's get back to the story. David's story.

• 6:34Harvey Guillén?

  So David says that earlier that afternoon, he'd gone back in the room with the waterbed, alone. He was standing at the foot of the mattress when he felt two hands push him into the bed. He says that when he looked up, he saw an old man in a torn plaid shirt, white hair and a mustache, translucent. The man pointed at David and whispered, "Beware."

• 7:09Harvey Guillén?

  After that scary-yet-vague warning, the old guy vanished. David didn't step foot in that room for the rest of the day. He tells Debbie and Cheyenne, "You guys absolutely cannot move into that house." Now, there are about a dozen ways to explain what happened to David in the room. You know, overactive imagination, stress from the day. That's pretty much what Debbie and Cheyenne say, but not Judy. She's been reading about the supernatural recently, and she thinks what David's describing sounds exactly like a ghost. She also tells her daughter not to move into a haunted house. Debbie and Cheyenne aren't convinced,

• 7:53Harvey Guillén?

  and they move in anyway. But if you watch horror movies, you know that ignoring the kid who sees dead people doesn't usually go well.

• 8:06Harvey Guillén?

  David starts seeing this ghost grandpa all the time, even when he's not at Debbie and Cheyenne's house. Only now, the man's feet are bare. His skin looks dark and burned. It's possible David is just doubling down. Maybe he's just figured out that talking about the senile spirit gets him attention. But here's the thing. David's behavior starts to go beyond telling ghost stories. It becomes a lot more dangerous.

• 8:38Harvey Guillén?

  His family says that while he's sleeping, David twitches and thrashes, as if trying to throw something off his body. He screams and swears. Sometimes, he's found pulling at his neck, like invisible hands are choking him. Even worse, David gets violent. He spits at his grandmother. He kicks her. Once, he even tries to attack her with a knife. The entire family starts taking turns, sleeping during the day so that at night, they can watch David and keep each other safe. Not from the ghosts, from David. The Glatsels are scared.

• 9:23Harvey Guillén?

  They have no idea what's wrong with their kid. So they do what any reasonable family would do. They go to the doctor. The family physician examines David and doesn't find anything particularly out of the ordinary. He has a minor learning disability and appears to be a little emotionally disturbed, but that's not exactly news. The doctor doesn't have any explanation for why he's acting this way. Here's where the story could have gone in a very different direction. Maybe David could have gotten a second opinion or a psychiatric evaluation. Maybe the doctor could have run more tests. But that's not what happened.

• 10:04Harvey Guillén?

  Instead, Judy, David's mother, makes a decision. If medicine doesn't have an answer, then maybe the problem isn't medical at all. Luckily, she's been studying the paranormal, and she knows just who to call. If you've seen the Conjuring movies, you'll know the names Ed and Lorraine Warren. By 1980, they're a paranormal power couple. They're famous for investigating the Amityville Horror House, and they give lectures, write books, and investigate hauntings all over the East Coast. So basically, if you need ghostbusters, who are you gonna call? These people. When the Warrens visit the Glatsels' home, Ed interviews David while Lorraine watches.

• 10:50Harvey Guillén?

  And according to Lorraine, who says she's clairvoyant, she sees some kind of misty form sitting next to David. And it's dark and negative.

• 11:03Harvey Guillén?

  Later, David complains about invisible hands gripping his neck. Lorraine swears she sees actual red marks forming on his skin. That's when the Warrens make a pretty bold claim. David is possessed by a demon.

• 11:25Harvey Guillén?

  Over the next few months, the Warrens keep coming back with notebooks and tape recorders, collecting notes and hoping to catch some supernatural action. The Glatsels say that the activity has escalated. Objects fall over, doors slam, crucifixes turn upside down. There's a rotting sulfuric smell that comes and goes. The family starts calling whatever supposedly inside David "The Beast." And according to their account, there's a pattern to when it shows up, a ritual almost. First, David goes completely still. His head drops down to his chest.

• 12:09Harvey Guillén?

  The room gets quiet. Then, slowly, his head starts to lift. And when it does, according to the family, everything about him changed. His face looks different, older. His eyes are blank, staring, like he's looking through you instead of at you. Sometimes, he snarls. Sometimes, he laughs. And when he speaks, the family swears it's not his voice. Then, The Beast gets violent.

• 12:54Harvey Guillén?

  One night, David launches himself at his brother, Alan, trying to claw at his face. It takes three family members to pull David off. And the whole time, according to Alan, David is laughing. Another time, Judy finds David in the kitchen, holding a knife. He's just standing there, staring at it, turning it over in his hands. When she asks him what he's doing, he doesn't answer, doesn't even look at her.

• 13:30Harvey Guillén?

  Later, when the episode passes and David comes back to himself, he has no memory of it. The family starts hiding knives and scissors terrified of what might happen during his next episode. By now, the Warrens have warned the police department that there's a demonic presence in town. And I gotta say, I can't imagine what that phone call must have been like. Maybe like, "Okay, um, can you describe the suspect, please? Uh huh. Uh huh. All right. Demon... Is that two Ms. or one M? Carl?" The Warrens also contact the local church, St.

• 14:15Harvey Guillén?

  Joseph Parish. They send several priests to examine David, and according to Lorraine, they find something astonishing. David appears to be possessed by not just one, but by 43 demons. The story goes that when the priest asked David to name all the demons, he does. All 43 of them, one by one. The priest says this case is above their pay grade. They're like, "Mm, no thanks. Uh, we're gonna bring the big shots." David is going to need something a little more intense. The only way to purge him of the beast is through an exorcism.

• 15:00Harvey Guillén?

  Turns out, even exorcisms have paperwork. Ugh, right? The church has an approval process, and it takes time. While they wait, priests are allowed to perform blessings and holy water rituals. And those rituals, they can get pretty wild. In some, David recites long passages from Paradise Lost, John Milton's epic poem about Adam and Eve, temptation, and the fall of man. According to the family, he quotes the Bible, too. Entire passages in Latin. But here's the thing.

• 15:41Harvey Guillén?

  David has a learning disability and attends special reading classes. His vocabulary isn't strong, but somehow the Warrens claim he's speaking languages he doesn't know and spouting out complex poems he shouldn't understand, let alone memorize. Now, I don't know about you, but that's where I start asking questions because there are really only two possibilities here. Either David is genuinely possessed and speaking in tongues, or children are suggestible, and he's giving adults what they want to hear. The Warrens claim they recorded hours of this, but most of that evidence has never been

• 16:26Harvey Guillén?

  made public. And look, I want to be respectful along with my healthy dose of skepticism. I wasn't in that house. I don't know what the Gladsoles experienced. Clearly, it was concerning enough to bring their 11-year-old to the medical doctor and then the supernatural doctor. Even if I'm still not really sure what I believe about ghosts and demons, I can sympathize with doing anything I can to help a loved one. So can Cheyenne. He hates watching his fiance's little brother David go through all this. The rituals are pretty intense. When the priests pray over David, he screams and swears, his body twitches and jerks.

• 17:09Harvey Guillén?

  It's a terrifying thing to watch an 11-year-old experience. One night, Cheyenne, the Warrens, and the Gladsoles are all watching as the priests perform another blessing. The Warrens later recall this night and say the demonic voice coming from David is louder and more powerful than usual. Cheyenne is fed up with whatever's taking over the boy's body, so he starts screaming at it. "Leave him alone! Take me instead!" Lorraine later says, "The room went ice cold." And she saw a dark cloud pass from David to Cheyenne.

• 17:56Harvey Guillén?

  Was it really a demon? A shadow? A trick of the light in a room full of terrified people? Nobody can say for sure. But whatever changed that night, real or imagined, Cheyenne starts acting differently in the weeks that follow. And that deal he made, "Take me instead," comes due.

• 18:28Harvey Guillén?

  Okay, before we dive back in, a quick reminder: everything I'm about to tell you comes from the people who lived it. Debbie, the Warrens, the family. Could anyone prove it? No. Can we verify it now? Also, no. But this is the story they tell. It's November 1980, about a month after Cheyenne made a deal with the devil in David's room. David's doing better. He has fewer episodes. But Cheyenne, he's starting to unravel. As Debbie will later claim, at first, it's small things. She notices him spacing out more than usual. He'll be sitting right next to her, but mentally, he's somewhere else entirely.

• 19:12Harvey Guillén?

  His eyes look vacant. When she asks him, "What's wrong?", he snaps back like nothing happened. And he says, "Oh, he's just tired." But then, it gets worse. One day, Cheyenne walks over to the window and just stands there, staring out at nothing. Debbie calls his name. Once, twice, he doesn't respond. And then she hears

• 19:51Harvey Guillén?

  coming from the back of his throat, like an animal. When he finally turns around, he's back to normal. He doesn't remember doing it. Another time, they're sitting in church with Debbie's family. It's right in the middle of Mass. It's quiet. And suddenly, Cheyenne stands up and shouts, "Get me out of this, everybody!" Goddamn church. I get it. I did not love going to church. We all wanted a get out of church free card, you know? But like usually you just have to like fake a cough, you know? Oh, I'm sorry. Excuse me. Sorry. I know my cough. I'm sorry. Oops, your feet.

• 20:35Harvey Guillén?

  But I mean, taking the Lord's name in vain during the service is a one way ticket to getting banned from the church bake sales for life. By the end of 1980, Debbie and Cheyenne have fled the rental house. You know, the one with the water bed that started all of this trouble. It costs them money to break the lease, but their sanity is priceless. And then things start to look up. Debbie gets a job as a dog groomer at a kennel near her mom's house. And the gig comes with a great perk. A small apartment right there on the property. The landlord is also her new boss, Alan Bono.

• 21:17Harvey Guillén?

  Within weeks, Alan, Debbie, and Cheyenne become close friends, really close. Cheyenne even starts calling in sick to his landscaping job to hang out with Alan. Debbie's glad Cheyenne's made her new friend. But it also tells her that moving out of the rental house hasn't fixed anything.

• 21:37Harvey Guillén?

  It's unlike Cheyenne to blow off work like this. He's also still spacing out, staring out of a window. And then, on a cold February morning, something happens that makes all of those strange moments suddenly feel like a warning. Debbie's in the bedroom of their new apartment when she hears Cheyenne in the kitchen talking to someone. She walks over to the kitchen to see who it is. But nobody else is there.

• 22:11Harvey Guillén?

  And as she gets closer, she realizes that two voices are coming out of Cheyenne's mouth at the same time. One is his normal voice. The other is deeper, harsher, like something speaking through him. As she freezes in the doorway, just listening. And then, when Cheyenne finally turns and sees her standing there, both voices stop at once. This is February 16, 1981.

• 22:56Harvey Guillén?

  By that evening, whatever's been building for months finally breaks. On that day, Cheyenne calls in sick. Instead of staying home, he goes and visits Debbie and Alan at the kennel. He brings along his 15-year-old sister, Wanda, his 13-year-old sister, Janice, and Debbie's nine-year-old cousin, Mary. Apparently Debbie's grooming a particularly ugly black poodle, and the kids want to see it, which is actually kind of adorable when you think about it. And Alan doesn't mind the audience. In fact, he takes the whole group out to lunch at a local bar.

• 23:37Harvey Guillén?

  And this is where things go sideways. Alan orders wine. A lot of wine. He announces that he's planning to quit drinking the next weekend. So today, he's going to get really drunk, which is the kind of logic that makes perfect sense when you're already a little drunk. Cheyenne and Debbie have a little wine, but not too much. And I mean, there are kids around. Someone has to be the adult. When they get back to the kennel, Alan cranks up the stereo. He's belligerent now, punching his fists into his palm. And Pacey and Debbie can feel trouble brewing,

• 24:20Harvey Guillén?

  so she tries to herd everyone out. But Alan doesn't want that party to end. So he forces them all upstairs to his apartment, right above the kennel.

• 24:36Harvey Guillén?

  And that's when things get scary. According to Wanda, Alan is up there getting more and more aggressive. Debbie urges everyone to go back downstairs, but when they try to leave, Alan grabs a nine-year-old Mary by the arm and won't let her go. Debbie rushes over pleading with him to loosen his grip. At some point, Cheyenne comes into the room and sees what's happening, and yells at Alan until he finally releases Mary.

• 25:11Harvey Guillén?

  But Cheyenne and Alan are done.

• 25:16Harvey Guillén?

  They follow each other outside, still screaming. They stop on the front lawn, face to face. Wanda holds on to her brother, trying to pull him away. Debbie's begging them both to just stop and let it go. And then something very strange happens.

• 25:34Harvey Guillén?

  Cheyenne freezes.

• 25:39Harvey Guillén?

  Wanda can't get him to move at all.

• 25:42Harvey Guillén?

  He's completely unresponsive.

• 25:47Harvey Guillén?

  Like he's turned to stone. Then, as Wanda and Debbie tell it, he starts to growl.

• 25:57Harvey Guillén?

  Like an animal. Debbie and Wanda see something flash in the air, something shiny metallic, and Cheyenne just blankly stares straight ahead. Then Alan falls backward. Blood is pooling around his body. And Cheyenne walks away. When Debbie looks down, Cheyenne's pocket knife is lying on the grass beside Alan's body.

• 26:28Harvey Guillén?

  Okay. Let's just pause for a second here because I know exactly what you're thinking. Wait, what happened? A knife just appeared out of thin air and suddenly Alan is dead? Did I miss something? You didn't. That's genuinely how vague Debbie and Wanda's statements are. The way both of them describe it, everything happened in this blur of motion and sound and then it was over. At least, that's what they say at first. It isn't until days later, when Wanda signs a police statement saying, yes, she did see Cheyenne stab Alan. As for Debbie, her account stays pretty hazy.

• 27:12Harvey Guillén?

  Maybe she really did think something supernatural possessed Cheyenne during the altercation, or maybe she witnessed something so traumatic, her brain couldn't process it in the moment.

• 27:26Harvey Guillén?

  Okay. Back to the scene of the crime. After Cheyenne takes off, someone in the neighborhood calls 911 and paramedics quickly arrive. Alan is rushed to a hospital, but he doesn't make it. He dies from stab wounds an hour later. Meanwhile, police track down Cheyenne about two miles down the road from the kennel. He's in a daze. He's taken into the station and charged with murder. His reaction to that is pretty normal. He falls asleep. When he wakes up, half an hour later, he tells police he doesn't remember anything. His last memory is arguing with Alan at 6:00 PM.

• 28:13Harvey Guillén?

  Minutes before the stabbing, he says he can't remember.

• 28:18Harvey Guillén?

  The day after Cheyenne's arrest, David tells his family he had a vision. He says he saw the demon leave his body and enter Cheyenne's, that it was the beast who stabbed Alan, not Cheyenne. The Warrens back him up. They say they warned everyone this would happen, that Cheyenne invited the demon in, and now it's taken over completely. Debbie believes him. Her family believes it. And when Cheyenne's lawyer, Martin Manila, hears about this, he makes a decision that will change legal history.

• 29:02Harvey Guillén?

  He's going to argue demonic possession as a defense.

• 29:13Harvey Guillén?

  Most of the time, when people say, "The devil made me do it," they're blaming something harmless, like eating an entire sleeve of Orioles or texting your ex at 2:00 a.m. Not that I've done that.

• 29:28Harvey Guillén?

  You're not filming this, are you?

• 29:32Harvey Guillén?

  But now, Martin Manila is going to use that as a legal defense. This becomes the first demonic possession defense in American legal history. There's no "not guilty by reason of the devil" verdict. No, the one similar case happened in England. In one, an arson suspect was acquitted on account of alleged possession. And in another, an accused rapist got his sentence reduced. Manila's strategy depends on getting the church to testify that David was possessed and passed a demon on to Cheyenne. But the church refuses to cooperate. The priests are ordered to stay quiet.

• 30:17Harvey Guillén?

  Some even transfer to different parishes. So basically, the church ghosts them.

• 30:26Harvey Guillén?

  Just ironic, considering you guys. The church goes them. You can laugh, it's okay, the cameras will catch it. So no one's gonna laugh? Why do I even try? The trial begins on October 28th, 1981. And by this point, the case is a complete media circus. Hotels are sold out and reporters are interviewing the Warrens daily. The courtroom is packed with people who want to see what the media has dubbed "The Devil Made Me Do It" case. Even though Cheyenne never said those words himself.

• 31:06Harvey Guillén?

  Unfortunately for Cheyenne, the judge refuses to hear Manella's possession argument. He doesn't think it can be used as a legal defense. He calls it unprovable and confusing. Which, to be fair, eh, he's not wrong. You can't exactly cross-examine a demon, right? So the possession defense is out. Manella has to pivot to self-defense. The story goes, Allen attacked a nine-year-old Mary, then came after Cheyenne. He only stabbed him to protect himself and his family. The prosecution's case is simple. Cheyenne was under the influence of something.

• 31:50Harvey Guillén?

  But it wasn't a demon. It was alcohol. A bartender testifies that Cheyenne and Allen had nearly 15 glasses of wine between them. This contradicts what Cheyenne and Debbie told police. Then, a paramedic gets on the stand and says that he overheard Debbie on the day of the murder, saying to her father, "Daddy, he didn't mean to do it. You know how he gets when he's been drinking."

• 32:21Harvey Guillén?

  That tells the jury alcohol was involved in the murder. To them, that explanation is much easier to believe than a demonic possession. And on November 24th, Cheyenne is convicted of first degree manslaughter. He's sentenced to 10 to 20 years behind bars. He ends up only serving five and is released early for good behavior. While he's in prison, Cheyenne and Debbie get married. And for years, they both insist the Warrens were right, that Cheyenne was possessed, that the devil really did make him do it.

• 33:03Harvey Guillén?

  In 2007, David's older brother Carl sues the Warrens, claiming they crafted a hoax for money and fame. He says the Gladsoles suffered for years from the media attention, especially the children, especially David. Eventually, the lawsuit is dismissed. But years later, Carl comes forward with another theory. While sorting through his and David's parents' belongings after their death, Carl finds a note from their mother that reads, "Well, the family had their medicine tonight and everything was good."

• 33:44Harvey Guillén?

  Carl believes his mother had been drugging the family with an over-the-counter sleep aid by putting it in their food, which is a pretty intense accusation to make against his mom. But according to Carl, this medication can have long-lasting effects on people: mood swings, hallucinations. Carl suggests it's possible that David ingested enough of this stuff over the years to make him act possessed.

• 34:22Harvey Guillén?

  But let's be clear, those kinds of side effects are pretty rare in sleep aid medications. You know, hallucinations can happen, but only at really high levels. You're probably more likely to have dry mouth and blurred vision than see ghosts. And the sleep medication theory doesn't really explain what happened with Cheyenne. He doesn't live with the Glazal family, so it's pretty unlikely he was being drugged. Well, Carl has an answer for that one, too. He says he heard rumors Debbie was having an affair with Alan.

• 35:02Harvey Guillén?

  The murder was a simple case of jealous rage. In 2023, David, now in his 50s, appears in the Netflix documentary, The Devil on Trial. He still believes he was possessed, but also believes the Warrens exploited his family for money. David and Carl aren't the only ones who've called the Warrens frauds. Throughout their careers, they've been accused of lying and faking their own powers for profit. But some allegations are even darker than fraud. In 2017, a woman named Judith Penny accused Ed of sexually abusing her

• 35:47Harvey Guillén?

  when she lived with the Warrens as a teenager in the 80s. No charges were ever filed. Ed denied the allegations until his death in 2006, and Lorraine supported her husband's innocence until she died in 2019. As for Cheyenne and Debbie, they maintained their version of the events until Debbie dies in 2021. Cheyenne, still alive and living in Connecticut, changes his tune. He now says he doesn't believe he was possessed. The story that defined his entire life, he walked it back. Which begs the question, did he ever believe it at all?

• 36:32Harvey Guillén?

  Remember the scorpion from the beginning? When he stung the frog, he said, "I couldn't help it. It's my nature." Cheyenne Johnson stabbed Alan Bono to death. That's not in question. But when people asked why, all he could say was, "I blacked out. I don't remember." He didn't have a nature to point to, so everyone else answered for him. The Warrens said, "Demons." The prosecutors said, "He was drunk." The media said, "The devil made me do it."

• 37:17Harvey Guillén?

  Because when someone does something unthinkable, we need an explanation. We need it to make sense. But sometimes, maybe there is no why. Maybe there's just a 19-year-old who blacked out and woke up to find he'd killed someone. And maybe the scariest thing isn't that "the devil made him do it." It's that we'll never know what did. Thanks for tuning in to Killer Stories, a Spotify podcast. New episodes release on Mondays. If you liked today's story and want to learn more, we drop some of our favorite sources in the episode description. Until next time, I'm Harvey Guillén. Stay safe up there.