Pod Insights Pop Culture Happy Hour Freakier Friday And What's Making Us Happy About this episode Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis first switched bodies over 20 years ago in the beloved Disney body swap movie, Freaky Friday. They return in the long-awaited sequel, Freakier Friday, which offers twice as many body swaps, fights galore, and a whole lot of jokes about being old and kids these days.
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0:19 Aisha Harris? Jack Handy once said something along the lines of, "Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile away and have their shoes." Well, if you remember Freaky Friday, you know Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis trade more than just shoes. They swap bodies. Two-plus decades later, they're back for a sequel that claims to be freakier than its predecessor. That is even more convoluted. There are twice as many body swaps, fights galore, and a whole lot of jokes about being old and kids these days. I'm Aisha Harris. This is Pop Culture Happy Hour, and today, we're talking Freakier Friday. I'm here with the co-hosts of Slate's I See Y MI podcast and former Pop Culture Happy Hour producer Candace Lim. Welcome back, Candace.
1:04 Speaker 02 Hello.
1:05 Aisha Harris? Lovely to have you. Also with us is New York Times food reporter and author of the bestselling cookbook, Indianish, Priya Krishna. Hello, Priya. Welcome back to you, too.
1:14 Speaker 03 Thank you.
1:15 Aisha Harris? And making her Pop Culture Happy Hour debut is Mia Venkat. She's a producer on NPR's All Things Considered. It's so great to have you here, Mia. Welcome. Thank you. Happy to be here. Yeah, yes. So Freaky Friday came out in 2003 and starred Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis as warring teen daughter Anna and her mom Tess. Now, in the sequel, Anna's this big-time music manager and a single mom to teenager Harper, who's played by Julia Butters. And then conflict arises when Anna becomes engaged to a celebrity chef, played by Manny Jacinto. He just so happens to be the dad of Harper's school nemesis Lily, who's played by Sophia Hammond. Through a series of extremely elaborate events, the girls/women trade bodies, Anna
2:00 Aisha Harris? with her daughter Harper, and Tess with Lily.
2:03 Speaker 04 She just has crevices all over her face. Look at the crevices! My hands?
2:08 Aisha Harris? Yes, so many crevices. So old, so old.
2:13 Aisha Harris? The would be stepsisters take advantage of this strange circumstance by cooking up their own version of A Parent Trap in hopes that they can stop the wedding from happening. It's very complicated. Freakier Friday, Freakier Friday, that is a tongue twister. Freakier Friday is in theaters now. Candace, I'm gonna start with you. Is this freakier? Does it feel like a Friday? Tell us.
2:35 Speaker 02 I mean, I'm not gonna lie. At first, I was like, why didn't they move on to Saturday? But I was like, move on, move on, move on. So, the 2003 film, very resonant in my body, one of the first films I ever loved. Lindsay Lohan is probably one of the first celebrities I was ever obsessed with from like a 360, I need to know everything about you. And I remember watching this film so much. I know every line. I know every song from Pink Slip. And I think what I love about that film is that it has a very Nancy Meyers feel to it.
3:04 Aisha Harris? Yes.
3:05 Speaker 02 As a kid, I was like, oh, that's my worst nightmare. My mom and I like switching bodies. Now I would kill for that, just so like my mom could see that I'm actually cool now. But, all of that said, this film is like a deeply beautiful remake and sequel. And I say remake because I didn't realize it pretty much kind of like mapped like all the same big plot devices from the first film. Wedding, stepparent, lost parent, there's a rehearsal dinner, all this stuff. But the way that they were able to pull this off, everything was fun and the jokes were like funny and I felt magical again in this theater. I cried three times. I looked full body sobbed at some points. And it just felt so good. It's like cinema's back.
3:50 Aisha Harris? Wow, Candace, some strong, strong opinions.
3:53 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
3:54 Aisha Harris? I love it. I love it. You're coming out the gate swinging. Mia, please tell me, how do we feel about Freakier Friday?
4:01 Speaker 05 I loved it. I went into it with kind of low expectations, just because I feel like a remake, a sequel, I just feel like people normally mess that up. And this movie is like my sleepover movie growing up and all of the Lindsay Lohan movies. She was in everything in that era. And so, you know, I've been watching the new stuff that Lindsay Lohan is in and they're all these kind of like Christmasy movies. And so, given that, I also had low expectations, but I loved her in this. Obviously, Jamie Lee Curtis can do no wrong and... I think that what surprised me the most was that I was actually laughing. Yeah. I feel like I love a montage and this movie does not lack the montage. And yeah, I left it being like, wow, they nailed that. I really, really loved it.
4:45 Aisha Harris? Okay, all right. We've got two ringing endorsements. Priya, are you going to bring us a third ringing endorsement? Let us know.
4:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, make that three ringing endorsements.
4:55 Aisha Harris? Hell, yeah.
4:55 Speaker 03 I loved this movie. Granted, it felt like pretty much every part of it was tailor-made to me, a millennial. But I ate this movie up from, you know, the musical references to the performances to... There are several subtle and not so subtle Lindsay Lohan Parent Trap movie references.
5:18 Aisha Harris? Yes, there are.
5:19 Speaker 03 That I loved. I have been a fan of the director, Nisha Ganatra, for a long time. I really loved like the TV directing work she did. And I feel like this movie like really let her chops shine. It's sentimental, it's funny, it obviously feels like a remake of the original, but it also feels fresh, nostalgic, but not too self-referential. It just works in a way that like, I've just been so disappointed by so many sequels that aim to really like tap on that nostalgia button, and this worked.
5:57 Aisha Harris? Yeah, yeah. I'm like roughly the same age as Lindsay Lohan. She's like a one or two years older than me, but more or less we're the same age. And I think Parent Trap, when that came out, it hit me right squarely supposed to be. I was 10 years old. It was the perfect movie. I love that movie. I still re-watch it all the time. Freaky Friday, by then, I would have been 15. So these movies tend to be, even if the characters are a certain age, they tend to be aimed younger. And so I do not have the same sort of attachment to Freaky Friday as you all do. And I think this movie, Freakier Friday, lives or dies on that kind of attachment. And so I had moments that I enjoyed it, and then there were, there's a lot of it where I felt,
6:38 Aisha Harris? oh, this really is just a remake that I'm not sure we needed. It's more convoluted, there's a lot more happening. Sometimes it's a little bit hard for me to remember who is supposed to be who. Four bodies instead of two, it's like, oh, wait. I did enjoy the parent trap references. The fact that Lindsay Lohan, her roles recently have been hit or miss. And she's talked about feeling pigeonholed and not having the career that she kind of wants. And I do think returning to this well suits her, even if I don't fully love this movie. There's a moment where she is seducing or attempting to seduce Jake, her ex-boyfriend from the original movie, who's played by Chad Michael Murray.
7:20 Aisha Harris? It's her body, but she's her daughter Harper, you know, the body swapping. And it's such a great moment. It's like her physical comedy, the way, the way she's playing with it. Like, I was like, oh, this is what I love about Lindsay Lohan. This is her wheelhouse.
7:34 Speaker 04 Do you ever miss us?
7:38 Speaker 06 You get married this weekend.
7:41 Speaker 04 Unless I'm not.
7:44 Speaker 05 Literally in my notes from that, I was like, Lindsay Lohan is back.
7:47 Aisha Harris? I know. Yes, yes. And I kind of wish we just had more moments like that. And I don't think there was enough of that for me. And Jamie Lee Curtis, I think her and Jamie Lee Curtis just have a great rapport.
7:59 Speaker 05 Amazing.
8:00 Aisha Harris? For me, it kept the movie from sinking too much. Like, when they were on screen, I very much enjoyed them.
8:05 Speaker 04 You think he's cute?
8:06 Aisha Harris? I do not.
8:07 Speaker 04 You totally do.
8:08 Aisha Harris? Stop. I do not.
8:09 Speaker 04 Yes, you do.
8:09 Aisha Harris? I do not.
8:10 Speaker 04 Absolutely do.
8:11 Aisha Harris? Shut up.
8:11 Speaker 05 She thinks you're cute.
8:12 Aisha Harris? I do not.
8:13 Speaker 05 Yes, she does.
8:13 Aisha Harris? I do.
8:14 Speaker 05 She so does.
8:14 Aisha Harris? It was a fun enough time. It has its moments.
8:17 Speaker 05 The Chad Michael Murray of it all in this, I like, I knew he was gonna be in it because of the trailer. I'm so happy. The weirdest part about the first movie to me was the like, the fact that he falls in love with Tess. Because, you know, Lindsay Lohan is in Tess's body. But then at the end of the movie, it's just like, and now he's dating Lindsay. It was like, okay, but he fell in love with Tess and I'm really happy in this one. They called back to that because like, he doesn't know the body swap happened. He doesn't know anything and he's like such a dope in this. And like, thank God, they kind of wrapped that up for me because I left the first Freaky Friday being like, are we just not gonna, are we forgetting about the fact that he just fully fell in love with Jamie Lee Curtis?
8:54 Aisha Harris? It was perfect. He was perfect. I'm curious about how you feel about the, the sort of updates in a way. Because I rewatched for the first time in like, probably 20 plus years, the original Freaky Friday with the same cast. I had forgotten the whole Chinese restaurant subplot of it. And I was just like, oh, okay, what are we doing here? Now, those characters, including the mother-daughter restaurant owners who originally like caused the swap in the first movie are back. But then like they flipped the plot here. So like, how do we feel about the way it kind of integrates them, but then also adds Vanessa Bayer from SNL as like the impetus here?
9:34 Speaker 02 When I rewatched the first film, I think the, I guess we could say like orientalization of that scene in particular, the mysticalness of like them in the Chinese restaurant, the backing music they use. It's very coded for something.
9:48 Aisha Harris? The fortune cookie, yeah.
9:50 Speaker 02 Right. And there, I mean, to be fair, like something I definitely noticed is that Rosalynn Chow does come back in this movie for like a really cute cameo and her accent is actually a little bit more Americanized. And I was kind of like, oh, interesting.
10:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, I noticed that.
10:02 Speaker 02 Interesting. But a right move, I think. Mama P and her mom, they're in the film, but they're done with the Etsy witch stuff. They're not casting cursing. Instead, it is Vanessa Bayer, who comes through and is running a tarot business where she also makes business cards while also working at a Starbucks. I love her in this. I love Vanessa. She is so funny. And you could say like, hey, they got a white girl to replace two Asian women. But I do think that them inviting those two women back is kind of the nod we wanted. And like, in terms of modernizing the old film to now, I think the way that they kind of artfully placed each cameo works. No one overstayed their welcome, but they clocked
10:44 Speaker 02 in. I think that is just a testament to how like, Ayesha, I agree with you. I did not need this movie, but the way that they like took that and basically said, I'm going to prove all of you wrong, is amazing. And I'm so impressed by that.
10:56 Speaker 03 One thing I'm like super curious about, I was watching this movie, very aware of the fact that like, all of this is designed for my demographic to like it. I wonder what Gen Z people will think. And I wonder what like, people slightly older, like even older than you, Ayesha, will think. Because I feel like Freaky Friday weirdly was that four quadrant film where like, I remember going to see it with my parents, and my parents loved it, and they thought it was hilarious and relatable. And like, I loved it, and I thought it was hilarious and relatable. And I feel like that was like the magic. Of the original Freaky Friday. Hearing your response, I do wonder if it's going to sort of achieve that universal appeal in the same way as the original.
11:40 Aisha Harris? I do think there are so many jokes about being old or being young, and I get it.
11:47 Speaker 02 My hands look like doll hands.
11:49 Speaker 04 Oh, my butt feels so high. I think I just peed a little.
11:52 Aisha Harris? I think it kind of walks that very fine line of like, the adults in the younger kids' bodies are like suddenly so happy they can like eat whatever they want, or they can stand without like-
12:01 Speaker 02 Their knees cracking.
12:02 Aisha Harris? Their knees cracking, or you know, osteopor- like-
12:05 Speaker 02 They can eat fries, they have metabolism.
12:07 Speaker 03 But Lindsay Lohan's character is only in her 30s.
12:10 Speaker 02 I know.
12:11 Aisha Harris? But I, as, as someone who is, is in my late 30s now, I do understand, it's just like, your metabolism does slow down. And also like, things start to ache, so I get that. I did wonder if some of the jokes that were just like, you know, there's a John Mayer, as if like John Mayer in Coldplay are like, super old, and I was like-
12:27 Speaker 02 The Coldplay joke really hit in my theater, especially after the Coldplay CEO concert affair.
12:32 Aisha Harris? Well, that's true. That's very much like recency bias, I feel like. I don't know if it would have hit in the same way.
12:38 Speaker 02 Yeah.
12:38 Aisha Harris? Another sort of thing that I kind of questioned, and this movie has been in the works for a while now, but there is, you know, Manny Hacinto's character and his daughter, who are supposed to be from London. Also, Manny Hacinto, British accent? Sure.
12:53 Speaker 02 I know. It's, it comes and it goes.
12:55 Speaker 05 I'll watch him in anything.
12:56 Aisha Harris? There's a scene where Anna and Eric, his character, are supposed to go to immigration services, and it's like this fantasy ideal of like, what it would be like, and I was like, this is a weird time for an immigration services scene, played for comedy, when we know what's happening in the world right now.
13:15 Speaker 02 Yeah.
13:15 Aisha Harris? Specifically in our country right now. I was just like, ah, I don't know about this. And maybe I'm being overly sensitive about it, and a lot of people going to this movie won't think that, but it was just like, I wish they had found another way to like, do this instead of this plotline. But- That's neither here nor there. I am curious, just, you know, like Pink Slip, like, how do we feel about bringing them back? There's a lot of people who come back, a lot of, a lot of new faces, including Chloe Feynman. Sherry Cola shows up for like a hot second. It's a little too short for my taste. I would have loved to see more of her. But what do we think about just the way the movie sort of incorporates all the, the older characters? I think it handles it pretty nicely.
13:55 Speaker 05 I think so. I think one thing I really loved was how believable it felt for Lindsay Lohan's character to now be like a talent manager.
14:02 Aisha Harris? Totally.
14:02 Speaker 05 I thought there were parts of the movie where I'm like remembering the rebellious teen and I was like, oh, she seems so put together now. But like, I thought that they wove in the like, you know, she's still writing and, you know, this like, has this yearn for performance. Like, it didn't feel this like completely removed from the first one. Where I love that she was like a cool, hip talent manager and like has a cool kid. Like, all of that I really believed. And there's, um, this like line from like TikTok comments that I've truly felt where like, in the end, when Pink Slip is back and they play Take Me Away, I like felt like woken up like a sleeper agent. I like felt like my body. Like, I was like, whoa. This is like the chords of that song coming. I'm like, oh, we're back. It was so good.
14:52 Speaker 02 And for what it's worth, I really liked the new song, too.
14:56 Speaker 05 Yeah.
14:56 Speaker 02 It was a bop.
14:57 Speaker 05 Yeah, that new song, baby, it was a little bop.
15:14 Speaker 05 I thought it was all right.
15:15 Speaker 02 I gotta be honest, I didn't love it. I'm sorry, Priya. I'm so sorry. I didn't love it. I didn't love it. Cause it's just not, it was too G major for me. That's it. That's it.
15:23 Speaker 03 It's no Take Me Away, but I liked it. I thought it was a bop.
15:26 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah. Take Me Away has such a specific sound and it's like, it feels very angsty to me. And I think that if they tried to do another angsty teen bop, I think it would have always paled in comparison. So the fact that it was a little more like sweet.
15:40 Aisha Harris? Yeah.
15:40 Speaker 05 I get why they did it. I agree with Candace. I thought it was a little bit eh, but.
15:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
15:44 Speaker 05 As long as Take Me Away is gonna be in there, I was gonna be alright.
15:46 Speaker 03 I would have loved to hear the ultimate, but maybe that was
15:48 Speaker 05 Yeah, yeah.
15:49 Speaker 03 A step too far.
15:50 Speaker 02 That's my one thing. Okay, actually, I have two things. Okay, there are two things about this film I will, I will give them the L.
15:56 Aisha Harris? Oh, are we backtracking, Candace? Okay.
15:59 Speaker 02 No, no, no, no, no. We're back, we're going forward. Okay, two steps back. Okay, so the first one is that ultimate is a song that Lindsay Lohan sings in the first film during the credits. It's when her mom gets married and it is like such a good song. It is sweet and it is like romantic and I love it. In this film, they have this other band like sing it during the credits, but it doesn't sound right. The band's called The Beaches, but they're not really like as related to the lore of it all.
16:25 Aisha Harris? I love The Beaches, but yeah, I get it.
16:27 Speaker 02 My second thing is the ADR in this film.
16:31 Aisha Harris? Oh.
16:32 Speaker 02 I kind of was like, oh, someone went to the Mindy Kaling school of making television, which I am right because Nisha Gennatra directed Late Night, which is Mindy Kaling's movie with Emma Thompson. But hey, I let all of that go. Those are technicalities in comparison to the joy I felt and the tears I shed, okay? When like Jamie Lee Curtis had this heart to heart with Sophia Hammond, the Lily character who's Manny Hizinto's daughter, body sobbed. Everyone in the room, tissues. I loved it.
17:00 Aisha Harris? It was interesting to me to see the way the movie kind of tried to, like, I think they mentioned that Anna's a single mom, like, at least eight times in the first, like, 10 minutes. And it's like, she's a single mom by choice, by choice. She chose to be a single mom. It's just like, okay. And then the way it kind of tries to, like, perhaps she had to give some things up, like not becoming a rock star in order to be a single mom. And the way that plays out, I guess I wanted a little bit more exploration of that conflict, but again, a Disney movie, we're not gonna get that deep. Maybe it's progress to some extent that we even have a woman who is like, I'm a single mom by choice. Look at me.
17:42 Speaker 05 Yeah. I feel like what the one part of the movie that I was like, given that it's a Disney movie and that it's always gonna have this like kind of, everything is wrapped up in a little bow at the end. I know what they were trying to do with it being freakier and it's like a four-person body swap. And I felt like the most compelling parts and the most moving parts of the movie were with the three Coleman's, like with
18:06 Speaker 05 Jamie Lee Curtis' character, Lindsay Lohan's character and Lindsay Lohan's daughter. I wasn't as moved by the Lily character, just because at the end, I feel like, like there's this gorgeous resolution with the Coleman's and Lindsay Lohan and her daughter. And then I feel like Lily's just kind of like, and also me, and I'm also now happy as well.
18:24 Speaker 03 And it's also just like, it's so tough when you have just like, the like, electric chemistry of Lindsay Lohan and Jamie Lee Curtis. It's just like, how do you compete with that? Like, I just wanted to keep going back to their scenes because they're so good. Yeah.
18:40 Aisha Harris? Look, it's Freakier Friday. Is it freakier? Sure, it was a Friday. Tell us what you think about Freakier Friday. Find us on Facebook at facebook.com slash PCHH and on Letterboxd at letterboxd.com slash NPR Pop Culture. We'll have a link to that in our episode description. And up next, what's making us happy this week?
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20:22 Aisha Harris? And now it's time for our favorite segment of this week and every week. What's making us happy? Candace, hit us.
20:28 Speaker 02 So what's making me happy is this show on the Roku Channel. Hold on, hold on. It's called Solo Traveling with Tracee Ellis Ross.
20:38 Aisha Harris? Oh, yes, I saw a clip of this. Yes, tell us more, tell us more.
20:42 Speaker 02 So Tracee Ellis Ross, blackish.
20:44 Aisha Harris? Girlfriends.
20:45 Speaker 02 Girlfriends, daughter of Diana Ross. In this show, she goes to Morocco, Spain, and Mexico by herself. And she shows the joys of solo traveling, solo dining, solo vacationing. And I think the reason why this show is kind of getting some online steam for a good reason is because there are moments of real reflection and solemn that are really resonating with a lot of women. For example, there's a part where Tracee is like after dinner, sitting in bed, and she's just like, what is the difference between sadness and loneliness? And she parses that out. There's a part where she talks about like, yeah, Oprah called me the poster child of single them, and I actually didn't like that, and here's why.
21:24 Speaker 02 And I think there is something so, so poignant and groundbreaking about the way that she is kind of combating the things that we as women and women of color have been told we cannot do in the world. We cannot travel alone. We're going to get taken Liam Neeson style. We can't sit at dinner alone. People are going to think something weird about us. And in this very subtle way, Tracee is being like, I'm rich, I'm funny, and I'm beautiful. I'm going to Morocco. And I think in a weird way, it breaks the ice for women and young women, grown women, black women, to just like go outside and do the thing you've always wanted to do. I like how this show is about womanhood and freedom and independence, and it's tucked into a travel show. And Tracee is also so funny.
22:09 Speaker 02 She's so funny, and I love her. And so that's Solo Traveling with Tracee Ellis Ross. It's on the Roku Channel.
22:16 Aisha Harris? I love that. Priya, what is making you happy this week?
22:20 Speaker 03 What is making me happy this week is a musician that is new to me named Droove, one name. A friend introduced me to his music and it is like soothing, melancholy. Like it sort of feels very like Rufus Wainwright meets Troye Sivan, like melancholic longing. His voice is like silky smooth. It's like the kind of music you would put on while like cooking yourself a nice dinner and drinking a glass of wine. He has like a new-ish album called Private Blizzard, but the album I've been listening to the most is called Rapunzel. Double Take is the song I love.
23:17 Speaker 03 That's Droove and the album is Rapunzel.
23:20 Aisha Harris? Thank you, Priya. Mia, I'm so curious, what is making you happy this week?
23:25 Speaker 05 What's making me happy this week is Chapel Rohn's new song, The Subway, and the accompanying music video. And it's so good and everyone's, I mean, I have been waiting for the full song to come out. And the ramp up to the music video in New York was pretty iconic to me, like her like red hair is everywhere and there's like advertisements for it all over New York. The part of the song that is so catchy, I want to play a little bit of it.
24:05 Speaker 05 I love a good belt. I love her voice. And in the music video, a very funny part, when she's belting this part, like her hair is blowing everywhere and there's crazy wind and trash flying around. And there was a tweet that really cracked me up that was like, oh, she got that wind in The Challengers that makes you cheat on your partner.
24:24 Aisha Harris? So that is Chapel Rohn, The Subway. I love that song, but I did not realize there was a music video. So thank you for telling me. I feel so out of the loop. I'm here to say that the thing that is making me happy this week is something that I wish someone had told me about sooner because. I didn't find out it existed until like a week or two ago, but it is Couples Therapy, season four. Yep. I love Couples Therapy. This is, of course, a show on Showtime where psychotherapist slash host Orna Goralnik basically has some of her patients, her clients, sit in and be recorded.
25:02 Aisha Harris? And you watch multiple couples, or sometimes on some occasions, people with multiple partners, you know, talk about their issues. And it's not just about them. It's you get family drama, histories, past histories. And it is just such a fascinating show. It's a reality TV show, but it feels elevated because it's like set in a sexy mood lighting office space that looks very welcoming and calm, but then everyone's like dumping all of their trauma and sadness and issues onto her. And she handles it with such like grace and curiosity and empathy. And that is Couples Therapy.
25:45 Aisha Harris? You can find all of it on Paramount Plus, and that's what's making me happy this week. And this Sunday, in our podcast feed, we're going to have another monthly bonus episode for our Pop Culture Happy Hour Plus supporters. Stephen and Lynda answer one of our most frequently asked questions. How do we pick panelists for each episode? You can sign up for Pop Culture Happy Hour Plus at plus.npr.org/happy. We'll also have a link to that in our episode description. That brings us to the end of our show. Mia Venkat, Priya Krishna, Candice Lim, thanks so much for being here. We did not swap bodies, but we did swap some very good opinions. So, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Ayesha. This episode was produced by Liz Metzger, Janai Morris, and Mike Katsif, and edited
26:30 Aisha Harris? by our showrunner Jessica Reedy. Hello, Cummins provides our theme music. Thanks so much for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR. I'm Aisha Harris. We'll see you all next week.
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