Michael Rapaport | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher welcomes Michael Rapaport for a raw, hilarious conversation about comedy, culture, and chaos. They revisit their Improv days, debate the death of R-rated comedies, and unpack the rise of cancel culture. Rapaport gets fired up about crime and safety in New York City, policing, and politics, while Bill breaks down media hypocrisy and apology culture. They trade stories about acting legends – De Niro, Pacino, Stallone, Scorsese – and dive into fame, dating, and how social media ruined privacy. It’s pure Rapaport: one part comedy, one part chaos, all New York. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://billmaher.substack.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Support our Advertisers: Get 30% off your first purchase and free shipping at https://www.wonderballsusa.com and use code RANDOM Go to https://www.zbiotics.com/random and use code RANDOM for 15% off your first order Head to https://www.squarespace.com/CLUBRANDOM to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code CLUBRANDOM. Get $10 off your first month’s subscription and free shipping at https://www.nutrafol.com and enter promo code RANDOM Buy Club Random Merch: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://clubrandom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it. For advertising opportunities please email: [email protected] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:31Bill Maher?

  That embarrasses the famous guy. Yeah, yeah, that's not good. And I was like, whoa, I cannot put Nicole Kidman through this. No, I'm kidding.

• 0:40Bill Maher?

  He was a great stick man. I just want to have another reason to use the word "stick man", which I've never used and never heard, but of course I love.

• 0:53Bill Maher?

  How are you? Good to see you, man. I've been seeing you since the improv. I know. Nice to see you all the time in my improv days. And politically incorrect days. Yeah, but I didn't see you there. Right, right. I mean, because you were... What were... I was trying to figure this out. Joanne and Mark are not your real parents. No, Claudia... Your sister. Is my half-sister. Half-sister. Joanne was married to my father before I was born. Okay, this is Mark Leno, who was the partner of the Bud Friedman, so they owned the improv together. Yes. So you were like scion of the improv dynasty. Yes. And... When I was a kid. You're the Paulie Shore of the improv. Pretty much. Pretty much. But did better.

• 1:39Bill Maher?

  No disrespect to Paulie, but yeah. No disrespect, but you've had a very estimable movie career. Paulie had some huge hit movies. Let's not... Paulie, yeah, the Weezy's, man. The MTV days are iconic. To you, perhaps. Not to me, I'm a different generation.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  But he was, he was, what he was doing was...

• 2:01Bill Maher?

  He was, he was Adam Sandler level, but not for too long.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:05Bill Maher?

  There was a, there were, he had a, but look, in show business, very few things last a long time, knock wood. I've been on 33 years, so like...

• 2:14Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 2:15Bill Maher?

  Crazy, yeah, but, but that's, that's a rarity. But no, he had, he had a huge, what were the movies? Like, one was an army movie.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  Paulies?

• 2:23Bill Maher?

  Yeah, they, they reminded me of like Abbott and Costello movies.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:27Bill Maher?

  Going to the army.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, yeah, it was, it was like, just throw them in anything, but, but he was, you know, Paulie, you know, Paulie...

• 2:33Bill Maher?

  Biosphere, wasn't that one where they went to a biosphere? And there's always hot chicks.

• 2:37Speaker 02

  Yes, chicks.

• 2:38Bill Maher?

  I mean, they were, it was the era of like, so many like, dumb guy, like Beavis and Butthead and Ted and...

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:45Bill Maher?

  What's Ted and, uh, Keanu Reeves is, you know?

• 2:48Speaker 02

  Bill and Ted.

• 2:49Bill Maher?

  Bill and Ted and Dumb and Dumber.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:51Bill Maher?

  Like, America could not get enough.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:54Bill Maher?

  Of pairs of dumbass guys.

• 2:57Speaker 02

  How could you team up, like, which, which, team them up like that? Yeah, that's, they should make movies like that now, because they're simple, they're cheap,

• 3:05Speaker 02

  and, you know, they seem like those kinds of, like, simple, cheap, dumb comedies.

• 3:09Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, the R-rated comedy, they just, they, Naked Gun.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  They fucked it up. They fucked the R-rated comedy up.

• 3:18Bill Maher?

  How do you feel about it?

• 3:19Speaker 02

  No, the Naked, The Naked Gun I liked, the remake, the Liam Neeson.

• 3:23Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  But the, the R-rated comedy went out with cancel culture.

• 3:29Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah, but, but don't you think there's a different vibe now? Aren't we into a different, I thought we were, I thought the vibe, vibe is different.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  I don't think the vibe is different.

• 3:38Bill Maher?

  You don't?

• 3:39Speaker 02

  I think...

• 3:40Bill Maher?

  Some, you're right, Woke is not dead.

• 3:42Speaker 02

  It ain't dead, and you, every little move you make, every step you take, if you screw up, they'll jump on you, and we all love all those R-rated comedies, all the Judd comedies, all the Seth Rogen comedies, all the... Old school and the will and they won't make them.

• 3:56Bill Maher?

  Farrelly Brothers.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Awesome.

• 3:58Bill Maher?

  You know, which very politically incorrect.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 4:03Bill Maher?

  Except for the one I so love, I just watched it again.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  The Oscar foam?

• 4:08Bill Maher?

  Green Book.

• 4:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:09Bill Maher?

  That Peter Farrelly made.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:11Bill Maher?

  Which is not at all like his, that's, that's an adult movie. I think it won the Oscar.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, it won something.

• 4:17Bill Maher?

  And then the woke shit on it because it was, it's a movie that they should love.

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 4:22Bill Maher?

  Five years ago, 10 years ago, they would have like come all over it because it's about racism and there's all the right moves and you know, the black guy is way smarter than the white guy.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:33Bill Maher?

  It's like everything you should love about it as a liberal, but it was directed by a white guy. So it had to be bad. You know, like not, they didn't all say that, but that's definitely where I, the New York Times said that.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  They're doing a movie now that I wanted to be in, but there's really was nothing. They're doing a movie called I Play Rocky about the making of Rocky. So it's, there's an actor playing Sylvester Stallone before he's Rocky.

• 4:57Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 4:57Speaker 02

  And that whole story of how he sold the script.

• 5:00Bill Maher?

  How he held on to the script when he was living like in his car and they were offering him $300,000 for someone else to play it. Imagine the balls to say, you know what? I'm, I'm destitute and I'm still gonna hold out for me playing this part.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  It's like a Rocky story in the Rocky movie.

• 5:20Bill Maher?

  That's better than the Rocky story.

• 5:21Speaker 02

  And the script, I was, cause that's my movie. So I read that script and I was like, holy shit. And they were like, you know, they're in the scenes and you, there's a whole relationship with his father. Cause did you see the documentary, the Stallone documentary on Netflix?

• 5:33Bill Maher?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  It, it's a lot of that, you know, stuff that, you know, he revealed about the dysfunction with his father and the sort of wanting the.

• 5:40Bill Maher?

  I love him. I'm, I'm watching, I'm almost done with all of Tulsa King. Have you watched Tulsa?

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Of course, of course.

• 5:48Bill Maher?

  Direct, it's definitely a rip off of that Linda, what the, I never get the name of it. The one Stevie Van Zant did, uh, the, I think it was the first series on Netflix. And it's about a mafia guy who goes, he's a fish out of water.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:01Bill Maher?

  In that case, Sweden, in this case, Tulsa.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 6:05Bill Maher?

  Tulsa.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 6:05Bill Maher?

  But it's a great, you know, fish out of water movies are great.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  And it's simple.

• 6:10Bill Maher?

  It's, it's

• 6:11Speaker 02

  It's basic.

• 6:12Bill Maher?

  It's a perfect pairing Stallone and Tyler Sheridan. Because, not that he writes every word of it, he didn't even put his name on the He puts his name on so many scripts, I'm like, this guy could not even be up this many hours writing this many scripts. But it's his style.

• 6:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:30Bill Maher?

  And it's, you know, and Stallone, these guys, you know, it's perfect for before you go to bed. Because, you know, is it gonna challenge you? No. And I don't wanna be challenged before I go to bed. I wanna watch TV.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  I agree. I totally agree.

• 6:44Bill Maher?

  Not always, but like sometimes.

• 6:46Speaker 02

  I don't wanna be challenged before I go to bed. I don't wanna be provoked. Especially now, you know, I was talking to your producers about like the late night stuff. Cause I was saying, you know, cause I had saw Woody Allen on the, on the chair. And I was like, Woody sat in this chair and all this stuff. And you know, the Kimmel and all that stuff. For me, like the late night stuff, it's changed so much even since when I first met you, like the eighties and the nineties. Carson, they lull you to sleep.

• 7:15Bill Maher?

  Night and day.

• 7:16Speaker 02

  But now, I think you should even go back to lulling people to sleep even more. Because we're on our phone all day, we're stimulated all day. We're arguing all day, we're on the, you know, we're watching the news all day. So even more so now, late night TV, lull me to sleep. We've seen, we don't need any provocative shit. We've been provoked all day. We need, you know, jokes, light jokes, skits and goofy shit and put me to sleep. And that, that's why I think that the, the, those guys on, you know, the, the politics at night, we don't need it. We've seen it all day.

• 7:49Bill Maher?

  I remember I was in a meeting when I first got politically incorrect. And I'm, you know, fairly young and never had my own show and late night. And they're explaining me some of the things about late night. And I said, such a stupid thing. Cause they said, you know, you're, it depends a lot on When you're on a network, I was on ABC, Comedy Central, then ABC for six years. And of course, you have to, each individual market in the country has the option to show your, the network, it's a network show, which they offer to their stations, to their affiliates, what they call affiliate, they're affiliated stations, there's like 200 of them around the country. Now, the network itself owns the big ones. They own Chicago and New York and LA, but they don't own Tulsa.

• 8:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:33Bill Maher?

  There's a guy in Tulsa, and if he wants to put on Politically Incorrect, he will. And if he wants to put on reruns of Dynamite.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:42Bill Maher?

  He'll do that.

• 8:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:43Bill Maher?

  Or he can put it on when it's, on a time when it's not really supposed to be on. It was supposed to be on after Nightline.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:50Bill Maher?

  So they're explaining all that, and the guy says, but you know, after 11 o'clock, every half hour, you lose half the audience. And I said, oh my god, why? And he went, because they go to sleep. Okay, moron, what do you, what do you think? We lose it. But it's true. At 11, you have 50 million people watching. At 11:30, you have 25 million.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:12Bill Maher?

  And at midnight, you have 12.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:13Bill Maher?

  And at 12:30, you have 6. People go to sleep.

• 9:17Speaker 02

  What was your take on the whole thing now that the dust is cleared? Because, you know, as a comedian, as a shit talker, as a provocateur, and somebody who's in the business of television, and you know all these people, like, what was your sort of take on that situation now that the dust is cleared? I feel like I'm interviewing you.

• 9:37Bill Maher?

  You can, it's not an interview.

• 9:41Bill Maher?

  You know, I was forthright on my show about supporting Jimmy, also saying I didn't agree with what he said because it was just wrong.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 9:53Bill Maher?

  I was very adamant that he has the right to be wrong. Two points I really wanted to make. One, he wasn't attacking Charlie Kirk.

• 10:03Bill Maher?

  There was no insult of Charlie Kirk, which is what they're all riled up about. He was saying, "The guy who shot him was probably on your team, MAGA." I said, "That's bullshit." We don't know these, and I did a whole editorial about the fact that most of these killers of the recent variety, you go through their manifestos and shit. It's not even about politics. They're nihilists. They don't believe in anything. They could be. Look, I mean, was he probably rebelling against his MAGA family? Probably, that's more likely. So what Jimmy said was just not, to me, tracking accurately. To me, it's a guy who, you know, and this is, look,

• 10:47Bill Maher?

  Jimmy apparently doesn't like me too much anymore because he thanked everybody but me. And I was adamant, adamant about supporting him that week and the next week. Like I said, I can't lie and say I think what he said was accurate, but I was adamant that he shouldn't be thrown off the air. He did a great show. I went on and on. Okay, you know, my problem with host, him and hosts like that, quite frankly, they're all quite similar in this regard, is that they're ideologically captured by one side. It's just not what I do, or what I'm doing. And so, and there's a reason why half the country feels insulted by them and has turned off to them,

• 11:30Bill Maher?

  because it's just one very predictable point of view. And this proves that it's often not completely accurate, because that was not really a smart thing to say, that this guy who shot Charlie Kirk was on the MAGA team. Because that's just something that the blue-sky crowd told themselves. And if you're in that, if you're that far in the bubble, where you don't really see the both sides and you don't really see the accurate...

• 12:02Speaker 02

  Completely.

• 12:02Bill Maher?

  You're going to believe that. You're going to believe that blue-sky point of view. "Oh, a bad thing happened. It must be coming from the other team."

• 12:09Speaker 02

  And for me, like, it was four days afterwards, and as a public person of any level... To make light, point fingers, who ca- it's a sick person.

• 12:20Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Sick person, sick person, sick person, that's it. Cause all of us, especially in this day and age, you know, should be humbled by that. Cause that could be anybody, that could be anybody, um, uh, in this day and age. Cause you don't know how you're provoking people and all that stuff. And to even make light of it four days after, point fingers, joke, not a joke, MAGA, it, no. It shouldn't be discussed. It was four days afterward. And I, and I like Jimmy too, but I just didn't, well, I don't think that, I don't think that's funny at all.

• 12:48Bill Maher?

  He, again, wait, let's be clear. Like I said at the beginning of this, he wasn't making fun of Charlie Kirk. He was make, he was making jokes at MAGA's expense.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:00Bill Maher?

  That's very different. And even if he was, that would be abhorrent and the people who did it abhorrent. But not illegal.

• 13:09Speaker 02

  No, I get it. I totally agree.

• 13:10Bill Maher?

  To make it illegal. They basically said, we have a blasphemy law in this country. That's not right either. This isn't Pakistan.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 13:18Bill Maher?

  And he's not the prophet Muhammad.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  I agree. I agree.

• 13:21Bill Maher?

  Peace and blessings be upon him.

• 13:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, Pete, yeah.

• 13:26Speaker 02

  Right. You gotta say that.

• 13:28Bill Maher?

  So you must be in love with the new mayor that you're gonna have, um. I can only imagine what you've been ranting about that guy.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  I can't even believe that he is the front runner to become the mayor of New York City right now.

• 13:45Bill Maher?

  Well, you better get used to it.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  You think, I, I think, I think, I feel like right now, there's a little bit of, uh, energy towards Cuomo winning. Curtis has to drop out and I feel like there's a chance. I don't think it's a landslide. He's acting like he's the mayor. He's walking around like he's won this thing already and

• 14:03Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Every day that goes by and he's talking to the press, every single day, he's getting more and more bold and more and more, um, honest with the shit that he's saying. And it's offensive.

• 14:14Bill Maher?

  Well, no, I think quite the opposite. I think he's walking back some of the things. He, he needs to walk back some of the things, like for a long time, they were trying to get him to say something about, uh, support, I, I don't remember what his original comment was, but he certainly did not condemn the idea or the phrase, globalize the Intifada.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:39Bill Maher?

  Okay. So I think he has walked that back.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  He hasn't walked that back specifically. And today-

• 14:45Bill Maher?

  Well, he walked it back in the way a-

• 14:47Speaker 02

  He double-talked sideways with that smiley bullshit.

• 14:51Bill Maher?

  Well, that's called being a politician.

• 14:53Speaker 02

  But he's got it down.

• 14:55Bill Maher?

  So do many politicians.

• 14:56Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 14:56Bill Maher?

  He's not that different in that respect.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  I know. He was asked, "Do you, um, are you for Hamas laying down their guns?" The lady asked him that. "Are you for Hamas laying down their guns?" And he's like fucking talking about like the sky is green and blue and da-da-da-da, but you're clear on the fact that you will support Bibi Netanyahu being arrested if he comes to New York, but you won't say that Hamas, yes, should lay down their guns. This guy is so full of fucking shit. He's so full of fucking shit. It's baffling to me that we've gotten this far, but it's cra- this is where we are. It's- he is so full of shit. And I don't- you- when you interview somebody, a politician, and you ask them a straight question like that,

• 15:42Speaker 02

  "Do you want Hamas to lay down their guns?" And they don't give you an answer. Don't you think you should be like, "You're not answering the question"?

• 15:49Bill Maher?

  I do. That's what I do. That's why so many people won't do my show. That's why the Clintons have never been on my show. That's why AOC, and I invite these people all the time, every week, you know, this- I could go down to Kamala Harris never did the show. I mean, these are people, and I voted for her. You know, these are people who should not be- it took me eight years to get Obama to do the show and a petition. These are people who should do my show, but yes, I'm not. Katie Porter was in the news because she was angry at a reporter for asking a follow-up question, and my reaction was-

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:30Bill Maher?

  They should do that more.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:31Bill Maher?

  They don't ask follow-up questions because they just smile and nod and go on to the next one because they're not- a lot of the- some of them are, of course, very seasoned and smart people in journalism, but there's a lot of people who are out of their depth. I'm not, never have been. My father was in news. It was in my blood when I was a kid. It was in my- it's my earl- it's how I was as a comedian, mostly a political stand-up comedian. I'm not out of my depth. I know my shit. I don't have to look up, you know, whether Iran is Sunni or Shiite, you know. Are you gonna get him on your show, Mondami? Well, again. Zorin the moron? We ask. Zorin, come on Bill Maher. Well. Go on Bill Maher, Zorin the moron, because when you get asked the questions, you're gonna get a follow-up question. Right, well, that's probably. Get that fucking guy on your show. That probably is not gonna help.

• 17:16Bill Maher?

  You don't think that's gonna help? The way you phrased it, no. My plug? My guessing is that's not gonna induce some, but I don't, I don't, I'm, I'm, I, look, I don't have to beg, and I can't subpoena them. I don't think he's gonna, because he thinks he's gonna win. Why would he come on? We have already invited him every week. If it was gonna happen, it would've happened. Yeah. Um. He ain't coming on. Why would he come on? Things are going good. Exactly. Because I would ask the follow-up question, and I am not out of my depth. Yeah. And I do know what Iran is. Yeah. And every, every place in the Middle East. Yeah. I know, I love history. Yeah. And I know lots about the Middle East, and I, I hope the peace plan here, the, it takes hold, I'm, you know, I, I, I see that,

• 17:59Bill Maher?

  like, lots of people, um, give Trump credit, and I am one of them. But even, like, the Clintons came out and said, you know, uh, lots of people who you, you know, but Federman, you can count on him, to be honest, but I think even Schumer, and I think the New York Times, Time Magazine, had a, you know, he didn't like the picture, I don't blame him, it was kind of a low-blow picture, but the, uh, the title on the front of the, of Time Magazine is like, to his big triumph or something, so. A hundred and fifty percent. And, you know, I mean, he knows me very well now, and knows where I stand on lots of stuff he does that I do not like,

• 18:37Bill Maher?

  and no one should like, but when he does something right, I, I think it's, it's, it's, it is deranged, Trump Derangement Syndrome, not to give credit where credit is too, it's just the fact. Everybody tried to have the, no, things changed, that's true. Maybe the time was just right. But I think, no, I think that the situation is in any way, in many ways, worse than it ever was. And he just tried a different way. You know, it's just, he's not a professional diplomat. We know that. But what is? And that, it just worked better. I mean, like, everybody's, the real estate guys, yeah, you know what? Real estate guys, you know, whatever.

• 19:19Bill Maher?

  They got it done in a way, no, it's not done, but they just- They got those people home that are alive. Well, what they did was, they, they, here's how they changed the game. And this goes back to the first Trump administration. Instead of dealing with only the Palestinians, they said, let's just, you know, stop putting them at the center of this. Let's have Israel make deals with other countries. I mean, Palestine was never actually, I hate to break it to you, some people who think otherwise, you know, the useful idiots on the college campuses wearing the kafias, but it was never a political entity. There was never a separate country called Palestine, okay, that was occupied. That's, that's not history.

• 20:02Bill Maher?

  But there are other countries, like Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar, and Bahrain, and Morocco. And let's make a deal with the actual countries. Right. And they did that. Yep. And that's where they're going with this thing. Yep. And, and then the other countries will take it, hopefully what'll happen is that the Arab countries will take it upon themselves to fix the Palestinian problem more. They, Israel has never been able to have a partner with the Palestinians because it was always people like Hamas who just wanted to kill them. How do you negotiate with people whose negotiating position is you all die? You all die, that's how we, that's plan, part of our plan A.

• 20:47Bill Maher?

  They don't want Israel to exist, period. Yeah, from the river to the sea. What does that mean? It means we have it all, and you either die, or what? Move to Arizona? I mean, it's ridiculous. But you can partner with Saudi Arabia. Yup. Things are changing in that part of the world. It has to. Yes, it has, well, it doesn't have to. It's been going on for centuries and centuries and centuries, and it will, lots of stuff will go on. But, I mean, I also will say this about Trump that is pretty interesting. Of course, he's beloved in Israel like nobody ever has been, for good reason. He did more for Israel than any other president. And he, and he didn't play the silly game that the other presidents do, like, well, we have to be even, Stephen. You know, maybe the, you know, who's, who knows who's right?

• 21:32Bill Maher?

  The people who treasure life, or the people who treasure death? And he was like, you know, where would you live? Ramallah or Tel Aviv? You'd live in Tel Aviv. A society that resembles yours and has shared values. You know, not letting women be free to dress as they want and covering their faces and stuff. That's not our, that's not our values. Are you kidding? So, he said, no, I'm with Israel. Period. Let's see how this works out. I'm with Western values. Right. I think democracy is better than theocracy. Now, we can also go into the discussion about how the horrible things he's actually doing to democracy in this country.

• 22:14Bill Maher?

  But for this discussion just about the Middle East, how about this? The Jews love him more than any president ever. And the Arabs do too. Right. That's quite a hot trick. You gotta give it up for that one. Right. That's quite a trick. Right. That the Saudi Arabia, they all, you know, they kind of relate on a, you like gold, everything? I like gold, everything. And also Trump's, the Trump doctrine is really, we don't judge you. You know what? You cut the head off a journalist? Yeah, I, I, I wouldn't do it, but you know, I'm just not gonna judge. Now, you can say that's right or wrong, but here's the facts. Biden wouldn't talk to him for a year after that, and then had to. He went over there and he fist bumped the guy who did it.

• 22:58Bill Maher?

  The guy who said, "We're not talking to you anymore." Because it's Saudi Arabia, you can't ignore them.

• 23:04Speaker 02

  You can't.

• 23:04Bill Maher?

  They're the counterweight to Shiite Iran, and they are the people who have the oil.

• 23:10Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 23:10Bill Maher?

  So you can't not deal. So, you know, again.

• 23:14Speaker 02

  It's a fucking miracle that he got those people home, the 20 people home.

• 23:18Bill Maher?

  It's.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  It's unbelievable.

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• 24:20Speaker 02

  Well, and I'll tell you something. As crass as I've been on him, his first term.

• 24:26Bill Maher?

  But aside, but just on the Israel tip, I mean, yes, you, you, people who can't give it up. You know, people who can't accept an apology. We, in the, in the peak woke period, it was, one of the things that was so obnoxious about it was that people would be forced to apologize half the time for bullshit. You know, like Halloween costume level bullshit. And then the apology itself.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  It was not good enough.

• 24:57Bill Maher?

  Was attacked.

• 24:58Speaker 02

  Right. The apology is not good enough.

• 25:00Bill Maher?

  Never good enough.

• 25:01Speaker 02

  No. He didn't, did he mean? When he, he said, "I sincerely apologize." Was he sincere when he said, "I'm sincerely apologizing"?

• 25:07Bill Maher?

  It was just, it was so Soviet, you know, like, you had to literally like do what they did in the Soviet Union. "I would like to thank my accusers for pointing out what a piece of shit I am. I will do better in the..." And you just wanna like,

• 25:24Bill Maher?

  for the people who wonder, you know, "Why did you turn on the left"? I didn't turn on the left. They became something, part of them became something gross, and I just commented on it like I comment on everything. I just didn't ignore it like these other people do. I didn't, didn't change how I felt about the right and the horrible things they were doing, but I, I, I just, that kind of behave, that kind of like moralistic smug.

• 25:50Speaker 02

  It's fucking ridiculous.

• 25:52Bill Maher?

  Petty bullshit.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  It makes me sick.

• 25:54Bill Maher?

  The bitches and snitches culture, the, the people who hate bullying so much, but wind up being the biggest bullies.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:01Bill Maher?

  There's something viscerally about that.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:04Bill Maher?

  That's almost more aggravating.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:07Bill Maher?

  Than the stuff that I know intellectually is more dangerous on the right.

• 26:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 26:11Bill Maher?

  But this kind of stuff, it just makes you wanna.

• 26:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. They need to start sticking motherfuckers back in the lockers. That's, they gotta start doing that.

• 26:20Bill Maher?

  It's such Mean Girl.

• 26:22Speaker 02

  It's terrible.

• 26:23Bill Maher?

  It's just.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  To, to, to judge the apology, to analyze the apology, the apology isn't good enough. You can't breathe, and it, it's, it's, it's so bad. It's so fucking bad. And, you know, I, I mean, I, I, I think apologizing, changing, growth, all that shit is, is good.

• 26:42Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 26:43Speaker 02

  It should be commended, not.

• 26:44Bill Maher?

  I had Van Jones on the last show he did. I just found out the other day, somebody said.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  Oh, he's been getting ripped for that.

• 26:52Bill Maher?

  I didn't even realize it, that's. I guess.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  Do you watch the show?

• 26:57Bill Maher?

  I watch the show. But see, that's the thing. No one cared at the time, and I've been through these scandals.

• 27:02Speaker 02

  At the moment.

• 27:03Bill Maher?

  Right. When I got canceled off ABC for what I said about the terrorists, nobody cared at the time. And nobody cared at the time, or in the audience, what Van said. It's just these people afterwards who live. Well, they live to find something.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Well, your show, Saturday is the day to, like, Saturday, you know, like with the sports, you go, ESPN, you watch the highlights. Saturday is to get the reaction on Twitter.

• 27:28Bill Maher?

  Well, of course, people do see it on Friday also, because it's on, but...

• 27:32Speaker 02

  But I'm saying the reaction.

• 27:33Bill Maher?

  Well...

• 27:34Speaker 02

  The blow, you're trending on Twitter every Saturday morning.

• 27:37Bill Maher?

  What I'm saying is, good. What I'm saying is that people, there are certain people, the kind we don't like, bro, who just live to find something. I always call them the, is this something people? Is, you know, Van Jones said, and he was making a joke, which was not in any way an expense, or mocking the dead in Gaza. It was a comment on social media. And, and of course, you can purposely, purposely misinterpret. That's what happened to me when I said, we have been the cowards. You know, that these people who attacked the building are not cowards.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:21Bill Maher?

  Which is technically true, and certain conservatives, like Rush Limbaugh, defended it. He said, Bill's right. You know what? They stayed with the suicide mission, and they're not cowards.

• 28:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:31Bill Maher?

  You know, we're lobbing cruise missiles from a thousand miles away. You can pretend that I was criticizing the military, which is what they did, but they know better. That's called bad faith. And that's what they just did with Van. Bad faith. You know that's not what he meant.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:47Bill Maher?

  You know it's not at their expense, but you, doesn't matter. You can get the other useful idiots to believe it, and they do. And so I think he did have to apologize or something. But, I mean, you know, if, if I do something really terrible, I will apologize. And, you know, I'm a fan of apologies. Sign of growth and bigness and lots of other good things, but not for bullshit. I agree. If they, if anybody comes after me for, for that kind of stuff, and I just like, you have to say you're sorry, and it's that level stupid, I'm just gonna go, no, you know what, I've had thirty-three years on television. If this is what you wanna throw me out for, fine. Right. I don't need any more money. Right.

• 29:28Bill Maher?

  That's good. You know, and I'm just gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna quote Michael Corleone in Godfather Two. When he, Senator, you can have my answer now. My offer is this, nothing. Not even the price of the gaming license, which I'd appreciate if you would put up personally. Mm-hmm. You pay for it, motherfucker. That would, I'll just say that, and let that, they'll be like, what is that? And then like, beside two seconds, somebody will be like, no, that was from the Godfather. Right, and the guy will be back, that's a good way to go out. Yeah, that is a good way to go out. Yeah. Cause what, when I was canceled. Did you ever have Diane Keen on? No, but I would have loved to.

• 30:10Bill Maher?

  The late, great. What happened there? We don't know, huh? I don't know. She, boy, she kept, talk about packing a tight suitcase, knowing, that's so like her. Yes. Classy, like, I'm not gonna burden anybody with it. One day, they're just gonna open the paper, and I'll be dead. And nobody will have, I won't have to endure their like, stupid pity that doesn't help. I won't have to endure their, cause I wouldn't want that either. Like, if I'm on my way out, like, I, I just, let's just not talk about it. Right. Unless you have an actual solution. Right. But, you know, just, I hope you, I don't, I don't give a shit about what you hope. Right. You know, I, I hope is just like the cheapest word.

• 30:51Bill Maher?

  Soon as you get people, like, they write you a, you know, an email, or a text, or even an old phone message. Hey, I hope you're doing okay. I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's just assume that's your position. Right. Why, you don't have to tell me this, and leave it on my phone machine. I just assume. Right. That, at all times, cause you're a friend. Right. You hope I'm doing okay. Right, right, right, right, right. If that changes, and you hope I don't. Right. Leave that on my machine. Let me know when you hope I'm not doing well. And otherwise, it means really nothing to me. Right, right. You know? Right. I hope I never get a message like this again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause I just wasted thirty seconds of my life. That's funny. It's true, but, you know, but she just was like, no. I am, I'm not gonna burden a soul. And you'll just find out when you find out. Seventy-nine is young. That's class. How old?

• 31:36Bill Maher?

  Seventy-nine. Is young? To pass of like a health issue? I think. It's not actuarially. Well, it's not young, it's like my father's ninety-three. Okay, but that's not actuarially the norm. What is the norm? Seventy-nine. Is, is, that's it? I think that's exact, I have a feeling that is almost the exact age. And it's different for women and men. Women live longer. So seventy-nine is young? No, seventy, I. Especially when you have, when you have resources, like, you know, she, she obviously has resources, a doc. I just feel like seventy-nine is, like, it's young to, to pass. It's all genes, bro. I know. Not all, but like, obviously how you treat yourself. Whether you stay away from drugs, kids, don't ever do that, but. Right. Listen to Bill.

• 32:22Bill Maher?

  But. It's, it's, uh, it's a, look, it's a mystery. It's a mystery. Why, why some people live and some people die, and some people die young. And some people get Parkinson's and some people don't. And I mean, it's just, you, you are always walking between the raindrops. I know, I know. You are always walking between the raindrops. I know. And all you can do is play the odds. You know, um, I look forward to these days so much, not just because I can talk to somebody like you. I normally wouldn't, and I'm, it's such a good time doing it. But because it's the one day I let myself have a drink. Oh, really? Just when you, when you're doing a show? Basically, yeah. It's what it's like, I'm like Pavlov's dog now. Like, it's like. Book somebody.

• 33:08Bill Maher?

  Yeah. You can do it, you can do it club random, sorry. How many of them do you do a week? One. Just one a week? Just one. Then one or two, but if you start doing two, two, two drinks a week. Well, I might have two drinks during one taping, but that's the only time I'm really, I didn't even think about it otherwise, you know, it's just not, whereas used to, you know, when I was, I don't know, even forty, even fifty, you know, I would have, you know, I don't know, probably at least a couple of dozen drinks a week, you know, because I would go out. When you go out, you drink.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:40Bill Maher?

  Do you go out?

• 33:41Speaker 02

  Ah.

• 33:42Bill Maher?

  You're married.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  I'm married, and I've never been the go-outer, and, you know, like, I'm like...

• 33:46Bill Maher?

  Never?

• 33:47Speaker 02

  Not, not like heavy duty, like, you know, when I was younger, obviously, you know, twenties, thirties, go out, and it wasn't like all the time. Like, it would be like, if I did one night, maybe two nights a week, it'd be, that's like a lot. I just never, it's never been my...

• 34:02Bill Maher?

  And what kind of a, were you a guy who always wanted to like have a serious girlfriend? Or were you like a player?

• 34:09Speaker 02

  Well, when I was young, I wanted to have a serious girlfriend, and then I was like, oh shit, like, you know, like, but then also like...

• 34:19Bill Maher?

  No, oh shit what?

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Like, you know, like, once you have some pussy, you want more, like, you know, you know, but, but so it was, and also, like, I grew up, and it was kind of like, the more the merrier, like, it was so much like a hip-hop mentality, it's like, fuck bitches, that's how, like, the music was part of that, like, growing up in New York, like, that was like part of, like that.

• 34:42Bill Maher?

  And also, you were a rising movie star.

• 34:45Speaker 02

  In my twenties, yeah.

• 34:46Bill Maher?

  You know, you had, you were in movies like, what's the, the one where blood is gurgling out of Tyra Banks's face?

• 34:53Speaker 02

  Oh, Higher Learning.

• 34:54Bill Maher?

  And I still want to have sex with her.

• 34:57Speaker 02

  Higher Learning.

• 34:58Bill Maher?

  Higher Learning, yeah.

• 35:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:00Bill Maher?

  She's dying with the, it's like, still hot.

• 35:04Speaker 02

  But I was, you know, when, when, when I was like in my twenties, out here, and like, you know, getting famous... I sort of shunned away that, that thing, you know, and like actresses and all that stuff. Like, I thought it was, like, I wanted to, like, I thought it was, like, not cool to fuck around with actresses. And then now I regret it. But, you know, like, you think, like, oh, I could have been with this person, I could have been with that person. Like, in my twenties, and even, you know, when they were telling me that this was Drew Barrymore's old house. I remember being at a party on this property. And I remember, like, it was one of those nights where I was just like, eh, eh. I don't know, I thought I was, like, you know, I was like, it was kind of like, I don't know, I just kind of looked.

• 35:49Speaker 02

  I didn't want to be, like, cliche like that. Now I'm like, oh, like, I would love to be cliche like that.

• 35:54Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, first of all, dating actresses is cool. But like, a lot of things that are cool, it's just not worth it.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 36:03Bill Maher?

  I mean, I know, of course, that's a sweeping statement, and I'm sure there are many lovely, wonderful actresses who are not a pain in the ass. I never met any of them. I mean, and it's not their fault, they're actresses, that's what, that's what they are.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:19Bill Maher?

  And therefore, first of all, they are often canceling because I got an audition tomorrow, you know.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  And you don't want to get in a relationship, she's in Spain shooting a movie.

• 36:29Bill Maher?

  Or she's in Spain shooting a movie with Timothy Chalamet, and then what?

• 36:35Speaker 02

  That's rough, too. The 90s was an easier time to move around.

• 36:41Bill Maher?

  Move around?

• 36:41Speaker 02

  With girls.

• 36:42Bill Maher?

  What do you mean?

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Like, if you were a player, you could move around, you can't do that now. I can't imagine being a, like, a young-

• 36:48Bill Maher?

  Why, because of social media?

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Social media, cameras and phones, like, you could, you could skate around.

• 36:53Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 36:54Speaker 02

  Like, you could skate around LA easily, and you could skate around New York easily. You could skate around wherever you were on location easily.

• 37:00Bill Maher?

  When I was in the 90s, you're right, when I was dating, like, a slew of bros at once, I only had to worry about, and, you know, I never lied to anybody. No one was under the illusion that they were my girlfriend, so, like, but of course, you know, people get close.

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 37:15Bill Maher?

  You get close, and you just, what you mentally, intellectually know is not maybe what you feel. So all I would have to avoid was being literally seen at the same place.

• 37:28Speaker 02

  With the other girl.

• 37:29Bill Maher?

  With some other, yeah, another girl I was dating. You're right, now that would be almost impossible.

• 37:36Speaker 02

  Impossible. Impossible, because even if somebody else doesn't film them, you might film yourself, or they might film, you know, themselves, or who the hell fucking knows? Or, you know, it could be, you know, there's like detectives on the internet. You know, you could take a selfie and like, yo, that's so-and-so's arm in the back, and then like, yeah, that is, he's got a a freckle on his hand, they figure out everything.

• 37:57Bill Maher?

  Oh, you know, I was, uh, once, like, at the beginning of a relationship, but it was-

• 38:04Speaker 02

  With an actress?

• 38:05Bill Maher?

  Uh, no. Uh, it was starting to become, you know, a real relationship, but it was still very new, and I was on the road, and I, you know, very often, when I was on the road, I stopped doing that, and finally this year, what great timing. I mean that, because who would want to be out there with all the political violence and crazy people, and, um, it was just time, but, you know, for years, and like, you know, the show ends at 10 o'clock, what am I gonna do? I'm not gonna go to a bar. Uh, I don't, wasn't drinking much anymore, I, I, and I don't want to be in a bar, really. Um, I was certainly not gonna go to a club, I mean, it's too loud, I'm too, too old. Where am I gonna go? I'm gonna go to the strip club, because it's, it's a, not for anything, I never did anything weird in a strip club, I don't want to.

• 38:50Bill Maher?

  It's just a chill atmosphere, yes, I like naked women-

• 38:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:54Bill Maher?

  Um, and they, they're not prejudiced ever against men who are older-

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:59Bill Maher?

  Which, as most of society is.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:01Bill Maher?

  So, you know, I would, I would go there.

• 39:04Speaker 02

  Right.

• 39:04Bill Maher?

  So, uh, why did I even bring that up?

• 39:06Speaker 02

  Oh, because about the phones.

• 39:08Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, so like, I'm like-

• 39:10Speaker 02

  You can't go to a strip club now?

• 39:11Bill Maher?

  Well, I'm just saying, I can, but I'm just saying, this is many years ago, and I was at the beginning of this relationship. Apropos to what you said about, you know, not being able to move around, and, uh, I was in, it went to after, like, I wasn't even thinking twice about it. And within 10 minutes after I walked into the strip club, she-

• 39:32Bill Maher?

  Texted me and said, you know, oh, I see. Or it so like it took 10 minutes for someone to drop a dime on me in someplace public. Twitter, I guess, at the time.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  I would be horrified.

• 39:45Bill Maher?

  And like, yeah, so like to be feel like you're that under surveillance.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Terrible.

• 39:51Bill Maher?

  I am not, I've never been that kind of man who I'm not a short leash man. Let's put it that way, you know?

• 39:58Speaker 02

  I don't know, like I said, I don't know how they do it. You know, the athletes, they have some sort of underground railroad. No, that's for real. Like the NBA dudes, they have some, they have a system that that they don't share.

• 40:11Bill Maher?

  You're right.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  That works out. I don't know how the fuck they do it. I've heard some different things, but I heard there is an actual underground railroad of the NBA NFL. And they move around and like they're getting passed through and everybody's moving and grooving. Because they're the only ones that and even they get caught up in shit. But there's a system that they have in place that I don't know. I used to. I used to date a, date a girl. I dated a girl that.

• 40:37Bill Maher?

  Why do you put quotes around date?

• 40:39Speaker 02

  Because I dated a girl that was dating Michael Jordan.

• 40:44Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 40:44Speaker 02

  And she told me, and I was just so curious.

• 40:46Bill Maher?

  I don't think she was dating Michael Jordan.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  Well, that's why I said quoting.

• 40:49Bill Maher?

  Yes, right.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  I was dating her.

• 40:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah. You were dating her, she was fucking him.

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, no, I was dating her too.

• 40:56Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'm sure you were, but I'm just saying.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  No, what I'm saying, I was, but I was so curious, like, how do you get to the destination spot? Like, and she was like, you go in a hotel and then you go down and like, and it was a whole like thing.

• 41:08Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:09Speaker 02

  Because I was like, and that was in 90s.

• 41:11Bill Maher?

  Right. Well, he was married. That's, I mean, part of that is that you, you, it's, you know, you're trying to keep this.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:21Bill Maher?

  You know, that's, that's part of it, but yes.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  And I'm sure that wasn't the only girl that he was dating.

• 41:26Bill Maher?

  Oh, I, I know for, I know for a fact it was not.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  The only girl that he was dating?

• 41:32Bill Maher?

  No, I, I, I remember a girl I knew who I really was dating, like somebody who was very, very dear to me. To this day and at the time, you know, who. She was offered to, and she was like, no, I know what that's gonna be. Because she was not that kind of girl. But she knew exactly, but they definitely were trying to get her to be in the company of Mr. Jordan. And, yeah, I mean, he was a dog, let's be honest.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 42:02Bill Maher?

  I mean, but...

• 42:02Speaker 02

  He's Michael Jordan.

• 42:03Bill Maher?

  He's Michael Jordan. But it must have been, how did you feel going hard to the hole with someone who...

• 42:11Speaker 02

  I took it as a, I took it as a challenge. I was young, I took it as a challenge. I'm gonna tell you something, this, here's, I'm gonna throw you...

• 42:19Bill Maher?

  Let's hope they weren't playing by Jordan rules. Because, you know, get that shit out of the lane.

• 42:25Bill Maher?

  You come down the lane with...

• 42:26Speaker 02

  Well, I'm gonna tell you something true, this is the truth. No layups. This, this young girl, this young lady at the time, this is 30 years ago. She also dated Scottie Pippen. So I was like, wow. I mean, this is a beautiful, beautiful girl. But she, and I was, I was very fascinated by the whole thing. Because I was, this was when they were in their prime.

• 42:47Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  They were playing. And I was like, damn.

• 42:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's a, that's a flex for you.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I, I took it as a, I took it as a, you know, you wanted to show up. You wanted to, you wanted to do your best.

• 43:00Bill Maher?

  Boy, do you.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  You gotta show up.

• 43:02Bill Maher?

  You, you don't wanna pass on any weak shit there.

• 43:04Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. She's with the goat.

• 43:08Speaker 02

  The fucking goat.

• 43:10Bill Maher?

  But dating Pippen and Jordan at the same time?

• 43:14Speaker 02

  I think it was an overlap, an overlap. And I don't think I was, I think it was like a one and, it was like a one and done and maybe a two and, you know, a couple of times with, with, with the other gentleman.

• 43:25Bill Maher?

  I'm not gonna say every, every girl I ever was with is the Virgin Mary. That's certainly far from true. But that would bother me. Like, that would bother me.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Again, we were, we were, when I say dating, I mean...

• 43:39Bill Maher?

  I, I understand. But even that.

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Anyway, yeah, but I always wanted to show up, show and prove with this girl.

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• 44:16Speaker 02

  But I was young at the time.

• 44:18Bill Maher?

  Did you ever go out with any famous, like starlets? Like anyone we would know that would be like?

• 44:23Speaker 02

  Nah, that's when I think about like, I think about like kind of situations that were sort of put in front of me. I thought it was like not cool to go out with some of these girls that I could have went out with.

• 44:37Bill Maher?

  I, same way. I could have gone out with some famous ladies, but I knew I couldn't be trusted to not go out with other ladies at the time. So it's one thing to go out with, you know, this girl and then she sees you out. It's another thing if you go out with somebody famous and then there's a picture of you with another girl, because then that embarrasses the famous girl.

• 44:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's not good.

• 45:00Bill Maher?

  And I was like, whoa, I cannot put Nicole Kidman through this. No, I'm kidding.

• 45:06Bill Maher?

  It was not Nicole Kidman we were, that's a joke. But, but, yeah. So I thought, you know, better, you know, the guy I always thought who did it right, and he was like, not like the other guys in his league, was George Clooney. Because other people like Brad Pitt, you know, he's with Jennifer Aniston, then he's with Angelina Jolie. Okay, he likes, he likes A-listers right on his level. Clooney was always, before he got married, he was always like the ring girl. The waitress from Vegas. Like, these are chicks I would go out with. Like, and they were hot. It's like, it's like, because you know what? When you're with somebody, we don't really care what your credits are. You know? We just care if we're having a good time.

• 45:51Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 45:52Bill Maher?

  And, you know, a little humility, just, and a little, you know, just old fashioned. Oh, we're just grooving.

• 46:00Speaker 02

  He was, he was a great stick man in his time. Clooney. Brad Pitt never.

• 46:05Bill Maher?

  Stick man.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  Brad Pitt never leaned into his stick man, his stick man prowess. He could, he could have.

• 46:10Bill Maher?

  Pretty boys often don't.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  Leonardo's has, he has a building.

• 46:15Bill Maher?

  That's right.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  Stick man Hall of Fame.

• 46:17Bill Maher?

  That's, that's true.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  But when you think about the great stick men of all time, I mean, there were, Milton Berle was, was.

• 46:23Bill Maher?

  Stick man. Milton Berle. Well, he had a big dick.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Apparently he was a great coxman. You know who else is a great coxman? We go back to Stallone. You know, who was a great stick man? Burgess Meredith.

• 46:35Bill Maher?

  Burgess.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  Sylvester Stallone, when I was doing Copland.

• 46:38Bill Maher?

  Come on, man. Burgess Meredith? I guess, see, I only know him as an old man.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  He, he, I was asking him, because I'm a Rocky guy. I was asking him every single thing about Rocky, and he gave me every answer I wanted. And I was asking about what was Burgess like? Because we would do lines, I would do, I would do Mickey lines, he would do Rocky lines, I would do Rocky lines, he would do Mickey lines. But I said, what was Burgess like? And he goes, you know he was a great stick man, right? And I said, huh? And he goes, Burgess Meredith was an incredible coxman. And I was like, oh shit. And left it alone.

• 47:12Bill Maher?

  Stallone can write dialogue. He was right, of course, obviously, history shows, to hold out for doing that part himself. But I'm sure one of the reasons why he had the confidence was he knew that to write dialogue, like when Mickey says, you got hot, you got hot. And he goes, yeah, I got hot, Mick, but I don't got no locker, do I? Because they'd thrown him out of the jet.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  You don't got to tell me.

• 47:39Bill Maher?

  That is.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  What about my prime, Mick?

• 47:41Bill Maher?

  That's great.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  At least you had a prime.

• 47:43Bill Maher?

  That's great writing.

• 47:44Speaker 02

  Great writing.

• 47:45Bill Maher?

  I got. I got heart, but I'm a lock. Yeah. You know, so, yeah. No, I'd love, I'd love, boy, I'd love to get him here. Oh. Do you know him? Talk to him. You could get him. I'd try. No, you could get him. I'd try. He, he's talking now that he's older and, you know, and he, he's not like, that would be great. And ask him, say, my grandpa was. And I'm not, see, the problem is people think I want to talk about politics here. I don't. I want to talk about everything but. That's why I do this. I already have a show about politics. When, when, when Solon comes, ask him about Burgess Meredith being a coxman. That's what I want to talk about. That's the only thing you need to talk about. He told me Burgess Meredith was a great stick man. I just want to have another reason to use the word stick man. It's a great word.

• 48:29Bill Maher?

  Which I've never used and never heard, but of course I love immediately. And in the context of Burgess Meredith, like, I was like, whoa. Yeah, I don't remember Burgess Meredith's early career. Like, a lot of people who I only came to know as actors when I was a kid and they were old, and then you'd find out, oh, wow, Fred McMurray had a career. Right. In movies, you know, like. Before him. I thought he was my three sons guy, you know, like, I didn't know. Right. Ernest Borgnine? Right. Was in movies before Mikel's Navy. Right. You know, and then you'd, and then you'd see them at some point later in your life and you'd go, oh, I see. At some point, they were like the hot, Fred McMurray was the star of Double Indemnity. Right. You know, he wasn't always, you know, sweater guy.

• 49:12Bill Maher?

  That's how he got to be the, the sweater guy. Those, those 50s sitcoms, which I was too young to watch when they were really on, but I would see in reruns, when I was a kid and you were sick from school, what they showed in the day. Right. Were black and white reruns. Crazy. Of, that's what I watched when I was sick and I loved it. I loved being sick. You'd be in bed all day. Yeah. Eat as many cough drops as you wanted, which are like sugar candies. Yeah, yeah, they're like gummy bears. They're like gummy bears and, like, the things we did with our kids and we thought, oh, give him a lot of sugar when he's sick. The worst thing you could possibly do. Yes.

• 49:54Bill Maher?

  Was have me just eating boxes and boxes of fucking cough drops. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, you know, we learn, we grow. But the the shows that I would watch and it started like at nine in the morning and did not stop until like four in the afternoon when the game shows came on. And it was just like the old Andy Griffith show.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  I hated those black and white shows as a kid.

• 50:15Bill Maher?

  I loved them when I was sick. Leave it to Beaver.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:20Bill Maher?

  And my three sons.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 50:22Bill Maher?

  And I mean, the world that they depicted, first of all, completely white.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  And if it was, somebody came in, it was like a burglar or a stuttering.

• 50:30Bill Maher?

  Or the cop.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:31Bill Maher?

  The cop.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  Or a housekeeper or something.

• 50:33Bill Maher?

  With one line.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:35Bill Maher?

  It's just, it's amazing.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  It is crazy.

• 50:37Bill Maher?

  How, but it's always amazing how bad everything was.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:41Bill Maher?

  Before it wasn't terribly bad.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:44Bill Maher?

  I was just watching this movie, it's really good. It's in French with Johnny Depp speaking in French. He plays King Louis and it's about this mistress and so forth. And it's just like, you know, the people are starving and he's giving her these diamond necklaces and he lives in this giant palace. And it's like for centuries and centuries, we just let one person, we just said, you're a king and you can get away with all this shit. And it, it's only because people allow another person to do it.

• 51:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 51:19Bill Maher?

  And somehow this apparatus builds up around it and keeps it alive. And it goes on for centuries. That one guy can act like the world's biggest asshole.

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:33Bill Maher?

  And it's got a whole support system of accord. And the people put up with it.

• 51:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:39Bill Maher?

  And it took like a millennium.

• 51:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:42Bill Maher?

  Or more before the, you know, American Revolution.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 51:46Bill Maher?

  It's crazy what people will put themselves through.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 51:50Bill Maher?

  And put up with.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 51:52Bill Maher?

  It is.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  You know what I'm, you know who I want to find? Remember the woman when Trump won the first time, she was like, no, no. It was like an iconic, she was wearing glasses.

• 52:02Bill Maher?

  Vaguely, yeah.

• 52:03Speaker 02

  If Mondami wins, I'm gonna remake that video in New York.

• 52:06Bill Maher?

  Oh, that's, that's funny.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Because that's how I'll feel. I'll feel that bad.

• 52:13Bill Maher?

  Now, what, what, what will you say? If he gets into office and says, "Look, the Palestinian thing is being settled. I'm now the mayor of New York. I don't want to talk about that anymore. So if you ask me any questions about Palestine, I'm the mayor of New York. I have feelings about it. I have opinions."

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Great.

• 52:36Bill Maher?

  They're right.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  You shouldn't talk about it.

• 52:37Bill Maher?

  Wouldn't that be a great thing to say? And then say, "I got elected not because of what I think about Palestine. I got elected," although some of the useful idiots, of course, love him for it.

• 52:49Bill Maher?

  "I got elected because this city is not affordable." And then what if he, and of course, everyone saying a lot of what he's proposing is impossible.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:00Bill Maher?

  Which I would, if I was a betting person, I would bet on that opinion.

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:04Bill Maher?

  It is not really, it's not really going to work to have grocery stores that are government-run and free buses and freeze on housing rents because capitalism, as bad as it is, is over and over again, we learn the same lesson. It's the worst system, except for all the others. That would be my guess. What if he has success? What would you say?

• 53:27Speaker 02

  I would say fantastic.

• 53:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, good.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm not, I'm not like one of these people.

• 53:32Bill Maher?

  Good.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  That, that like.

• 53:34Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 53:34Speaker 02

  Especially at this point in my life, you know, like if he did. I want people to feel safe in New York City. You know, I want my wife to feel safe. My wife is a tough broad. She doesn't feel safe in, in midtown Manhattan during the day.

• 53:48Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 53:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and, and my wife.

• 53:52Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 53:52Speaker 02

  She's, she's not a.

• 53:53Bill Maher?

  You like going out for lunch?

• 53:55Speaker 02

  I'm not saying she's like fucking shaking in her boots, but my wife, in the last two, three years, has been groped in, in Times Square, has had a fucking shoe thrown at her, has been called the N-word, and got proposed to on the train by a homeless person, all between 11 a.m. and 3 p.m. And.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  When my wife got touched in the middle of the day, coming out of a play, I'm not happy with that. And it was like a homeless person. Like, I don't care that you're homeless. Don't touch my fucking wife. You know what I mean? And I, like, it bothered me so deeply that this happened to her, and that she's got a shoe throw out, shoe throwing at her. Why a shoe? Because she's a crazy person. Just crazy? Crazy. But, but, but when you touch my wife, and my wife is violated, I get to thinking, I'm sorry that you're mentally ill. I'm sorry that whatever you're on, and wherever got you to this place, but you're touching my wife at 3pm on 47th and 6th.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  I want this person put the fuck away forever. Period. And there's other women in New York City that also feel uncomfortable and unsafe. And we're not talking about in the boroughs. I'm talking about in midtown Manhattan, in downtown Manhattan. It's not cool for women to feel uncomfortable during the daytime in the greatest city on earth. It's also not cool that, under any circumstances, you could touch a police officer, not be from this country, come out the next day, and walk out of the court like fucking Tupac. Like those guys did when they jumped, you know, like fucking giving the middle finger to photographers. Like, if you touch a policeman, and you're not from the country, bye.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Get the fuck out of here. Like, you know, like, and I'm not one of these people, I know the police are not perfect, but if you touch a policeman, you should be in prison. Period. And you shouldn't be able to walk out of jail going, fuck, you know, like, fuck you, fuck you, fuck. And this shit's been going on in New York City. But this thing with women not feeling comfortable in Manhattan during the day, I'm not down with that shit. It, it, it really deeply bothered me that that happened to my wife. And like I said, she's not some laissez faire, you know, like, head in the, she, she looks, she's, she looks out for me when we're in the street. So like, I was like, nope. Nope, nope, nope. And I'm comfortable saying, put him under the fucking jail, and he should never come out. Because God forbid he comes out and does something worse.

• 56:36Bill Maher?

  All right, first of all, it's policeman, not police, not policeman. What did I say? Because we're not five.

• 56:45Bill Maher?

  Policeman. Yes, I agree, I mean, I, I'm not, I, I.

• 56:53Bill Maher?

  I'm not arguing, I'm not arguing with the basics of anything you've said. I love the. I mean, I, you know, go away forever, no, I mean, we still have to follow rational laws. Yeah, put him away forever. I don't want you on, because like the guy in North Carolina. Not forever. Who stabbed the girl and he's been in and out of jail for 14 times. Not forever, that guy, 14 times stabbing, yes. I guarantee you the guy who touched my wife has been in jail at least five or six times. Well, if he has, that's a different story, but groping is not going away forever. Going away forever is like, you know, murder, okay.

• 57:31Bill Maher?

  I don't want him in my city touching people. And what you're expressing is, is something that people feel that transcends party, I think, and politics. It's very hard for, you know, old school Democrats, liberals to, if they have the same feeling, still go to Trump because so much of what he does also bothers us on a very visceral level. So I understand that, but I mean, your feelings are all completely legitimate. My question to you is, if this guy bothered you so much, why don't you take care of it? I wasn't there, what am I supposed to do? Go find this guy, it's certainly what Bob Odenkirk would do.

• 58:14Bill Maher?

  Okay, it's certainly what Charles Bronson used to do. I mean, find this fucking guy and take care of it, tough guy. If it bothers you so much that your wife got violated, no, I'm kidding. No, I know, I know, it's, it's.

• 58:31Speaker 02

  It's just, you know, like, I never. The subway is the subway. New York City subway system. I grew up on New York City subway system. I grew up taking the subway. You gotta pay attention. It's not Disneyland. It's not, it's not the, you know, the Central Park Zoo. But people, like, you shouldn't, it shouldn't be a thrill. Like, it shouldn't be a House of Horrors. It shouldn't be where, like, fucking.

• 58:56Bill Maher?

  No, it shouldn't.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  And we're talking during the day. I don't know what's going on at night.

• 59:01Bill Maher?

  I mean.

• 59:01Speaker 02

  During the day, it should be, it shouldn't be a House of Horrors.

• 59:04Bill Maher?

  If there's one theme, I would think, and again, I don't really want to talk about politics too much, but of the Trump administration, especially this time, it's that on many issues, he has the right idea about straightening something out. That some, put it a different way. He has the right idea that something in this country needs straightening out. And I would put in that category, and I could mention lots of things, but let's just say a few. The border, obviously, was out of control. Elite universities were out of control with their ideological capture by just one side, and, okay. And crime, and like, feeling safe in cities.

• 59:48Bill Maher?

  How he has handled this, I have lots of issues with. And that is important, because a liberal democracy has to handle things in a certain way that keeps them a liberal democracy.

• 1:00:02Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:00:02Bill Maher?

  And he does not seem to understand that part of the equation. But he's not wrong about identifying these areas. And since the population really doesn't have, mostly, I think, the educational background, because we stopped educating people to understand that nuance between the way a liberal democracy is supposed to handle things, they're just gonna be happy that he's handling them at all. And they, yes, they are a primal scream as your screed was. I fully feel your passion. It is so legitimate. It is so honest. It's not, there's no maudlin in your, in your rant.

• 1:00:44Bill Maher?

  You know, you never, I listened to that whole thing and I never got one moment of falseness out of it. Like you were like, you know, there are certain people, and I don't want to mention names, like they love to like get out there on their soapbox and talk about the things that he's doing that are so terrible. And it's like, you know what? Life didn't just happen to you. And by the way, all these horrible things aren't happening to you personally.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  No, they didn't happen to you.

• 1:01:08Bill Maher?

  So you look a little phony doing that.

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:11Bill Maher?

  But you don't. You don't look phony at all. You look, this is exactly how pissed off you are for a very good reason about what happened to the person who's closest to you.

• 1:01:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Bill Maher?

  You know, this is exactly how pissed off you are. There's, there's no, I don't feel like you're padding it with any theatrics. I feel like that's exactly it. That's, and that's why people like listening to you.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  Well, thank you. I, I just tried to, you know, I'm not a, you know, it's funny because I was thinking about like when I came on Politically Incorrect and, you know, and, and I remember you would sort of egg me on and you or the producer would be like, you know, she's this and I didn't really kind of know, we were talking about more social themes. It wasn't deep diving politics.

• 1:01:54Bill Maher?

  Sometimes it was.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  For me, when I was on, it wasn't. Like, you know, like I would.

• 1:01:58Bill Maher?

  Well, we had, the purpose of the show, it was, it was a designed train wreck to have all sorts of people, people who have no idea what's going on. And the expert who does, and it was funny.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Yes. But for, but like, you know, I've been so educated in politics and educated in the, the history of specifically the Middle East and my opinions are.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  They're, they're new. A lot of this stuff is new to me. And there's so many great scholars and great thinkers and great talkers that I'm inspired by. And there's so many great, um, you know, they pontificate and they, "Oh, that was a great thing." I don't try to do that. I try to just...

• 1:02:44Bill Maher?

  Right, no.

• 1:02:45Speaker 02

  Like, you know, but I leave that for them. You know, I don't try to outsmart or anything to some...

• 1:02:49Bill Maher?

  No, you're, you're, you're working a different side of the street. That's valid.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and, and it's genuine to me. And, and, you know, that stuff in New York, and, and, you know, when I asked other women about the comfort level, and they said, "No," I'm like, "This is not okay." And Mayor, and Zoran the Moron isn't our mayor yet. And I know it's gotten better, but it should, it, it needs to continue to get better. And when he starts talking, you know...

• 1:03:11Bill Maher?

  Well, it'll get worse under him because the cops...

• 1:03:13Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:03:13Bill Maher?

  I mean, he's said terrible things about the cops.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:03:16Bill Maher?

  And some of them are gonna quit right off the bat.

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 1:03:19Bill Maher?

  And some of them are gonna, I mean, you know, the cop, I, look. I have, uh, been very honest about my cop opinions. I've been tough on them and I thought they deserved it. I also think, uh, it's a tough job that, um,

• 1:03:36Bill Maher?

  you, you can't live without them. So, you're just going to have to get kinda real about the fact that it's never going to be perfect. Having said that, yes, they shouldn't be racist, but I don't think that, you know, first of all, there's a lot of black cops. Second of all, some of the racist incidents happen from black cops. So, I think it's a deeper part of, problem with the police culture. Not that racism isn't still part of the equation. But in general, you know, you do need the cops. Because civilization is a, a, a mile wide and an inch thick. And you, you lift off that just very top veneer and people are animals.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  Straight up.

• 1:04:17Bill Maher?

  If you don't keep the shit to shoe level, it goes sideways real fast.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:23Bill Maher?

  Real fast.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  And he's talking about loosening these laws and, and I'm not down with that shit.

• 1:04:27Bill Maher?

  If they're not, and the thing about the cops, again, I love them. And they do a job that, thank God, they're doing. But they are very sensitive. Like, when they get their feelings hurt, and I get it. You know, you're out there and you sacrificed two marriages now because this job was what it was. And, you know, you're, you come home and, you know, you need three drinks because it was a little nerve wracking at times. And whatever it was, and you saw, you see the dregs of life every day. You see the worst people, you don't see the best people.

• 1:05:00Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:05:01Bill Maher?

  Nobody ever calls you to their porch to tell you how good the marriage is going.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. And it's day after day after day after day after day.

• 1:05:09Bill Maher?

  So, they get a little pissed off when we don't appreciate it. I totally get that. But when they do, you know, the blue flu, whatever they wanna call it. Like, i-if you, if you're going to incentivize them to not quite give a hundred percent shit. Okay, a hundred percent of a shit.

• 1:05:36Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you're not gonna like it.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  Nope.

• 1:05:38Bill Maher?

  You know, you, you really, you really are gonna like a world where the police feel appreciated better.

• 1:05:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:50Bill Maher?

  Because protection is government's first priority.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  And everybody wants to feel safe. There's no race, creed, color, people that don't wanna feel safe. You could be in the Williamsburg with your scribbled scrabble tattoos and your fucking Caffey's scarf. If something happens to you, you're running right to the police that you're protesting.

• 1:06:09Bill Maher?

  Mankind wasn't born with government. Government was invented.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:15Bill Maher?

  Why? As a trade-off for security. That's the primary and first job of government. It is why people gave up rights, gave up sovereignty. It is why serfs worked the land. So that when the barbarians came, they could get behind the castle walls. That was the trade-off. Now, government has expanded, and it should have expanded. It has expanded too much.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:44Bill Maher?

  But, that's the basic thing. And if they can't do job one, making you feel safe, then they're useless.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:52Bill Maher?

  So, you know, maybe he'll, uh...

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  I don't think this fucking guy, I think that one, that one thing, he's not gonna do that. He's, I believe what these people say. I believe what he says. I, I, I, I've learned to, to, to not think these things are far-fetched. Um, when somebody says something, you have to take them at face value. And he's not, he's not crazy. He's not nuts. He's very clear on what he wants to do. And he's very fucking smiley when he's doing all, any of it. It's all smiles.

• 1:07:19Bill Maher?

  He's an nepo baby. He's a rich kid.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  Mama's boy.

• 1:07:24Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:07:24Speaker 02

  Father's a professor, mother's a successful film director. I know his mother, a mirror in there.

• 1:07:29Bill Maher?

  You know his mother?

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:07:31Bill Maher?

  You've worked with her?

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  No, but I've met her. I've met her at film festivals. Couldn't be sweeter.

• 1:07:35Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Yeah. And it's not, not a crime to be the child of well-to-do parents.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  It's, it's a little weird if you have well-to-do parents and you're living in a rent-stabilized apartment in Queens. That's weird. That's weird. If, if you're doing that, especially when you're so for the people. He's living in a rent-stabilized apartment.

• 1:07:53Bill Maher?

  I'm not against anyone having a different way of life. I'm just against someone coming to places where we have this different way of life and then trying to turn it into this other way of life that you brought with you, I thought, to get away from that. I mean, that's what's going on in Britain right now. I don't know if you know what's going on in the UK. But it's, the UK is undergoing something quite extraordinary, which is, um, you know, a sort of a cultural revolution where practices which we thought in the Western world were not to be tolerated are, because they don't want to have civic unrest

• 1:08:38Bill Maher?

  between a large Muslim population that, not like this country, really very often did not assimilate.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 1:08:48Bill Maher?

  And in the name of, like, every multiculturalism and stuff like that, uh, the left in the, in Britain is, is kind of standing up for, for example, there's now a law about, well, it's okay to marry your cousin. Okay, it's different. I'll give it that.

• 1:09:12Bill Maher?

  But, you know, there are cities in Britain that, you know, I know Andrew Sullivan said last week, "My grandparents wouldn't recognize" Right. as the city they grew up in. Right. I mean, it's one thing to have immigration. We all are for immigration and we need it. But the idea of immigrants used to be melting pot. We're here and we're gonna help, we're gonna melt in. You know, we're here to be like you. That's why we came here. We like this thing you're doing. That's not always the attitude of today's immigrants. No. No, I know. And that's had a knock on immigrants. And I would say, among the people who, like, that is not a problem with,

• 1:09:57Bill Maher?

  as we know well in here in California, is our lovely Mexican immigrants. They're perfect immigrants. They do wanna melt in. We do have a lot of the same values, you know. We're Christian, they're Christian. Not that it's all about Christianity, but that's, cultures are different. Yes. But I mean, they are the perfect immigrants. I mean, there's no, we haven't treated them all that well, and yet, there's no seething, you don't sense, you know, any seethingness. Yeah. And they slowly are, just like every other immigrant did my Irish ancestors, the Italians, the Jews, like, everybody slowly making their way through. You know, everybody goes through it.

• 1:10:42Bill Maher?

  First you do the lower level jobs. Now you're the plumbers and the constructors. And then you're the, then you're gonna be the governor. You know? I mean, that's the godfather.

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  I thought it was your time.

• 1:10:54Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:10:54Speaker 03

  To be senator, the carillon, or governor. That's my life and I don't apologize. And I refuse to dance on the end of strings. I'll buy big shots.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  Marlin. That's good fucking Marlin right there.

• 1:11:13Bill Maher?

  But that's the thing, that was the Italian thing. Like, I'm a gangster, because I had to be.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:18Bill Maher?

  But you're gonna be a senator.

• 1:11:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:20Bill Maher?

  When your time comes, it's gonna be different.

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:23Bill Maher?

  Because you volunteered when the war came.

• 1:11:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:26Bill Maher?

  That made Sonny very mad.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:28Bill Maher?

  You don't risk your blood for your country, you only risk it for your family. That's pop talking.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:34Bill Maher?

  Which it was, that was that generation. But he's the new generation. I'm not gonna be in the mafia.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:40Bill Maher?

  Well, that didn't work out so well.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  No. No, because once they got you, once you try to get out, they pull you back in.

• 1:11:49Bill Maher?

  What do you think of Godfather 3? Not a necessary movie?

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  Not a necessary.

• 1:11:53Bill Maher?

  Just an entertaining one, right?

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  Just...

• 1:11:57Bill Maher?

  Entertaining.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  The great Sofia Coppola, who turned out to be a great director, and that whole thing. You know, there were a couple of moments in the film, once you get out, they pull you back in, and the Andy Garcia.

• 1:12:10Bill Maher?

  Loved that.

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  But it was a tough, it was very disappointing. I went day one, screening one, I remember it came out on Christmas. And I've watched it a couple of times since, and it still, they didn't age well. It's not, I'm not happy with it.

• 1:12:25Bill Maher?

  Well, I can't concur with that exactly. It's not a necessary movie because the cycle of Michael Corleone is completed at the end of 2. He kills his brother. Spoiler alert. Right? That's the full arc.

• 1:12:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:44Bill Maher?

  From the guy who says at the beginning, "That's not my, that's not me, Kay. That's my family," speaking of Diane Keaton. "That's not me, Kay. That's my family. I don't do things like that. That's my father." Who said that to that band leader. All the way to, "I will kill my own brother." That cycle is done.

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:05Bill Maher?

  This is just a money grab, and I think they both admitted it. And Pacino too, I think they just knew, and so... I went in with no expectations. It's not necessary. It's just to entertain me. And Andy Garcia was awesome as the bastard son. And that whole thing and Joey, Joe Montegna. You know, Joey's a Joey, sazza, you know. It's just fun. It's stupid because the idea that Michael Corleone, of all people, would like get back with Kay, who aborted his child. You know, don't you know that that is an impossibility? That I could never let that happen?

• 1:13:47Bill Maher?

  Oh, Michael, you're so blind. You know.

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  You get Al on here?

• 1:13:53Bill Maher?

  He won't do it.

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Al Pacino will do it. He's doing press. He's doing things. I think you could get him.

• 1:14:00Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know I can't.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  Well, do you have a thing with him?

• 1:14:02Bill Maher?

  Yes. No, no, no, no beef. I just know him quite well.

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:14:07Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:08Speaker 02

  But he does interviews now.

• 1:14:10Bill Maher?

  Not this one.

• 1:14:11Speaker 02

  All right. I feel like there's something behind that.

• 1:14:14Bill Maher?

  Trust me. No, no, no. No, he just, you know, people, people out there. It reminds me of the way my mother wouldn't smoke pot at the end. You know, it would have solved all of her problems. She, when she was a widow, she needed to laugh more. She needed to put on weight. She needed new friends. Pot, and I couldn't get it because she just wasn't of that generation. And there's something that just, Al Pacino is just like, this is just, I don't know, maybe it's the pot or, I don't know. But it's just like, there is a barrier there. I know for a fact I can't get.

• 1:14:50Speaker 02

  Because he loves talking about acting so much. And, you know, he'll talk about, you know, unlike De Niro, who hates talking about acting, hates it.

• 1:15:00Bill Maher?

  Him, I could probably get here. He did Real Time.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  He'll talk about politics, but if you start asking about.

• 1:15:05Bill Maher?

  And he wants to talk about politics, yeah.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  He'll talk about politics, which is amazing because he wouldn't speak for 40 years and Trump. Inspired him to speak, but it's only about that. It's not, you still, if you talked about Raging Bulls, you know, I do. Talking about Goodfellas.

• 1:15:21Bill Maher?

  Right, no, no, I know, I know. I know.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  And, and, and everybody's tried.

• 1:15:25Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:15:26Speaker 02

  It's just, it's, it's, it's just, I don't know if we'll ever get that interview about that process.

• 1:15:30Bill Maher?

  He was, he was good on, on Real Time. But, you know, that's 12 minutes.

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:15:34Bill Maher?

  This, I mean, I would love to get him here because I could crack that nut open.

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  About acting?

• 1:15:40Bill Maher?

  About anything.

• 1:15:42Speaker 02

  The acting is the thing, we, we, that's the thing we want to hear him talk about. He's talked about his father. And was, you see the documentary he did about his father? Very vulnerable, very open. His father was a painter.

• 1:15:53Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  And he's talked about politics and he's, he's talked more about, you know, obviously he lost his, his son and that, he talked about that in a very, he talks about New York. But as an actor, we've never gotten him to really talk about his process as an actor and his process as an actor inspired all of us.

• 1:16:11Bill Maher?

  He's, well, well.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  All of us.

• 1:16:14Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  Every, he invented, he, he changed the game.

• 1:16:18Bill Maher?

  I think Marlon Brando changed the game.

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  Marlon Brando, to me, is Dr. J. And then Robert De Niro's Michael Jordan. So he took what, Dr. J's sick, Dr. J changed the game. But when Michael Jordan took what Dr. J did and everybody else. It like, Raging Bulls before, like, there's like.

• 1:16:37Bill Maher?

  What is that in a woman's term? Is that Elizabeth Taylor? Is that?

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  Well, you could say.

• 1:16:44Bill Maher?

  Marilyn Monroe.

• 1:16:45Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:16:45Bill Maher?

  And then.

• 1:16:46Speaker 02

  Jennifer Lopez changed the ass.

• 1:16:49Bill Maher?

  There we go. There we go.

• 1:16:52Speaker 02

  There's, there's before J Lo.

• 1:16:53Bill Maher?

  You're right.

• 1:16:54Speaker 02

  And there's after J Lo.

• 1:16:55Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:16:56Speaker 02

  She brought the fat ass, and I say this with all due respect, to the mainstream.

• 1:17:01Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  She changed the game. She inspired an entire, now it's, it's out of control.

• 1:17:05Bill Maher?

  Yes, she lived in a world between black and white. And she.

• 1:17:11Bill Maher?

  Right?

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:12Bill Maher?

  That's why it was possible.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:17:14Bill Maher?

  She was like, "I'm not really a black girl, so you don't have to be like,

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  Puerto Rican girl from the Bronx.

• 1:17:18Bill Maher?

  What's going on with me now? But I'm not really a white girl."

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  She's a Puerto Rican girl from the Bronx, which is a whole other thing.

• 1:17:25Bill Maher?

  It was very quick that that changeover happened where asses, when I was a kid, a big ass was the worst thing you, the last thing you wanted to have. Does this, does these pants make my ass look fat? That's what no woman.

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  Changed the whole game.

• 1:17:39Bill Maher?

  And then it was like, "These pants better make my ass look fat." And I never went along with it because, you know, I, you dance with who you're brought.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:46Bill Maher?

  And like, I just know how I was raised, what I like. Like, I don't, I never liked it when it became the look in a strip club, to have like, fat people.

• 1:17:58Speaker 02

  Fat people, fat ass is a different thing.

• 1:18:01Bill Maher?

  You're, you're right. That is true.

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  You know this, Bill.

• 1:18:04Bill Maher?

  I do know this.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  You know this.

• 1:18:06Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying some people ignore that, that rule.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  Yes. Well, now, that's what I'm saying, now it's gone. And now you got the BBLs and all that stuff. But back to De Niro. He took what, he took what Marlon Brando was doing. He took what Paul Newman was doing. He took what James Dean was doing. He took it to another level with, with De Niro was doing.

• 1:18:23Bill Maher?

  He's a great actor. I'm a huge fan. I mean, just tell me on Robert De Niro. But.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  He's talking about acting, though.

• 1:18:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah, and why, and why would he? First of all, why would he give away his trade secrets? I wouldn't. That's one. And two, it's boring to talk about it. He's right. It is.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  I don't think so, because some great actors, when they talk about it, it's, it's fascinating.

• 1:18:46Bill Maher?

  To you, because you're an actor, because you're an actor.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  But like, if you hear, like, there's some of them that love talking about it, like.

• 1:18:50Bill Maher?

  Like what?

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  Let me see, like.

• 1:18:52Bill Maher?

  Like, what would it be interesting to know about, how they?

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  Like when Al Pacino talks about acting and his.

• 1:18:57Bill Maher?

  Okay, give me one thing.

• 1:18:58Speaker 02

  Oh, he's just, it's, it's like a great, it's like a musician, like the Billy Joel documentary. You saw that?

• 1:19:04Bill Maher?

  I interviewed him.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:19:05Bill Maher?

  On this show.

• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  So when he's talking about how he came up with New York State of Mind. Right, and he's talking about on the, like, when you get that, certain actors talk about it, like, Benicio del Toro is great at talking about acting. Sean Penn doesn't, not great talking about acting. But I'm talking about like the process. It's like if you talk about Tom Brady reading defenses. Even if you're not a football fan, you could appreciate me-

• 1:19:26Bill Maher?

  I see, yeah.

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  So-

• 1:19:27Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:28Speaker 02

  So for the-

• 1:19:29Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:19:29Speaker 02

  One of the people that did it at the highest level, for him to talk, break down the process, I think it's relatable even if you're not an actor.

• 1:19:36Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's true. I mean, I feel like that's more apropos in music, as you say. Like, we all want to know, what, what inspired that song? And, you know, certainly with the Billy Joel one, I remember talking to him a lot about the fact that,

• 1:19:54Bill Maher?

  seeing the documentary, put color on what formerly was a black and white drawing. And now I know that, oh, that was because that was what, this was going on in your life.

• 1:20:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:05Bill Maher?

  And that's why you wrote Stop in Nevada.

• 1:20:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:08Bill Maher?

  Because you were stopping in Nevada and you were with the wife and blah, blah, blah. That is interesting to me as a music fan. I don't know if that-

• 1:20:16Speaker 02

  When Stallone was doing it, in the Stallone documentary about Rocky, talking about Rocky, he was talking about, what about my prime, Mick? At least you had a prime. And he said they did it in one take, and he-

• 1:20:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  He's talking about-

• 1:20:27Bill Maher?

  No, it's true.

• 1:20:28Speaker 02

  Everything that was going on with my father, and is like, what about me, Dad? What we think about? And when you hear him talk about it 50 years later, it's like, oh, shit.

• 1:20:35Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  Because, you know, acting, when you're in front of a camera, you're doing take seven, eight, nine, 10. And you might do that one take that is the take that makes it. And for me as an actor, like, I know the things that get me there, or the things that don't get me there. And when you talk about somebody like De Niro that's had so many iconic moments, like, people are fascinated with you talking to me? You talking to me? And they've talked about that story, Scorsese's talked about that story. But De Niro, there's been so many of them.

• 1:21:04Speaker 02

  I would love to have access to just those questions and be like, do you remember this specific moment? And ba, ba, ba, ba, ba, because he's given us so much on screen.

• 1:21:13Bill Maher?

  Do you, when you are doing a scene-

• 1:21:18Bill Maher?

  Do you have a good feeling which take they're gonna use? Because you felt like, oh, that was the one. And if they don't use that one, I will be disappointed.

• 1:21:27Speaker 02

  Now I do. Now I do. When you're younger, you know, you don't even think you have the confidence to say anything or talk about it. Or, you know, when I was younger, you know, you're just kinda just doing it. But, you know, sometimes when I'm acting now, but, you know, they would cut, I'm like, that was a good one. You know, you could say it, you know it. You know, it's like, it's like you have to, you have a better understanding. And what they do in the editing room, you know, that's, I mean, unless you're like the big guys, you could go in there and be like, no, this take is this if you have access to it. Like, I'm sure.

• 1:22:03Bill Maher?

  Very few do.

• 1:22:04Speaker 02

  Well, like, the meat and potato guy, like, De Niro and Scorsese, you know, he won't even need to, because he trusts him.

• 1:22:11Bill Maher?

  Correct.

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  But I'm sure DiCaprio, well, he's with the best of the best directors. So you don't have to, Quentin Tarantino knows the best take.

• 1:22:19Bill Maher?

  Yeah, director, I don't care who the star is. The director does not want the actor in the editing room looking over their shoulder. That doesn't happen. I don't care who the fucking actor is.

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  And Quentin Tarantino doesn't need that. Woody Allen doesn't need that.

• 1:22:33Bill Maher?

  You just had, no, look.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  Scorsese doesn't need that.

• 1:22:35Bill Maher?

  It's a director's medium. You either trust them or you don't. And when you sign on, you do.

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:40Bill Maher?

  That's their canvas.

• 1:22:41Speaker 02

  Yes, 100%.

• 1:22:42Bill Maher?

  They're gonna do it as they see fit. You have no say in it.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  And top-tier guys, they...

• 1:22:47Bill Maher?

  All you can do is hope they use the take you think is the good take.

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:51Bill Maher?

  And they may not.

• 1:22:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:52Bill Maher?

  Or they may cut the whole scene.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:54Bill Maher?

  Or they may keep it on, they may have you, hear you and the camera's on the other actor.

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:01Bill Maher?

  You know, you, there's just, you're, you are throwing fortune to the wind.

• 1:23:06Speaker 02

  100%.

• 1:23:07Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  But those top-tier guys that those people work with all the time and only...

• 1:23:11Bill Maher?

  Yes, of course.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  There's no experimenting with like some...

• 1:23:13Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:23:14Speaker 02

  So... You could give them everything and they're gonna use the best shit anyway.

• 1:23:17Bill Maher?

  They need to stop because I gotta say that last, and I'm a huge Scorsese fan.

• 1:23:22Speaker 02

  I know, I know, I know.

• 1:23:24Bill Maher?

  What?

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  I know where you're gonna go.

• 1:23:25Bill Maher?

  Where?

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  The Irishman?

• 1:23:26Bill Maher?

  No, no, no. I like that, but it was too long. But, um, no, the one, the last one, the, the, we're killing Indians.

• 1:23:36Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:23:36Bill Maher?

  Too much.

• 1:23:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:23:38Bill Maher?

  I mean, that wasn't the exact title, but that was, that was the gist of it. We're killing.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  AKA, we're killing Indians.

• 1:23:44Bill Maher?

  We're killing Indians a lot out here in, in the, wherever. And like, DiCaprio is playing a guy who comes home from the war. He's 50. What was he, a general?

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:55Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 1:23:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:57Bill Maher?

  Coming home from the war.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:58Bill Maher?

  You know, it's like, okay, you gotta let it go.

• 1:24:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:01Bill Maher?

  Get the next guy. I guess it's Chalamet, Scorsese will work with till he's 100.

• 1:24:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:06Bill Maher?

  You know, but, uh, I mean, DiCaprio replaced an hero.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:10Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:11Bill Maher?

  It's a, it's a young man's game.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:14Bill Maher?

  You know, or at, at least for those kind of roles.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  The Irishman killed me.

• 1:24:19Bill Maher?

  Oh, cuz they de, cuz they de-aged them. Yeah.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  It killed me.

• 1:24:24Bill Maher?

  Their face looked young, but they still moved like the.

• 1:24:27Speaker 02

  It was crazy. The faces looked crazy. And we know what Danilo looked like when he was 30. He don't look like this. He don't look CGI. You know, like, we know the dimple, we know the face, we know what Joe Pesci. You should get Joe on this fucking show.

• 1:24:42Bill Maher?

  I love Joe. I'm Joe on it.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:24:44Bill Maher?

  Yeah. I love Joe Pesci.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  He's never given a, he, he gave one.

• 1:24:50Bill Maher?

  He seems like he's very shy. I've met him, he seemed very shy, really nice, but like shy. And not at all the guy who stabs you in the neck with a pen.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  But I think if you talked him about acting, I think, and golf and shit like that, but acting. I think, you know, because he's, his career, I mean, Joe Pesci had a.

• 1:25:09Bill Maher?

  Such a scary guy.

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  In the movies.

• 1:25:12Bill Maher?

  In movies. Like, it's amazing the way a guy who's, what, all, all of like 5'5", could, could be that scary on screen. And he is like, you really think he's gonna stab you in the neck?

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  100%. In real life, as he, he.

• 1:25:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  The impression is so deep.

• 1:25:28Bill Maher?

  It's, it's, it's amazing.

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. He is kinda shy.

• 1:25:31Bill Maher?

  He never kinda got his due. Cause he kinda played the same, I mean, in Casino, he's the same guy he was in.

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  A Lethal Weapon 2.

• 1:25:42Bill Maher?

  Uh, what's the one?

• 1:25:44Speaker 02

  Home Alone. Yeah, he, I, yeah, he, he's, Joe, Joe is the fucking man. He's, he's another one.

• 1:25:52Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  I love him. Love him.

• 1:25:55Bill Maher?

  Well, I'm gonna have you connect me.

• 1:25:57Speaker 02

  With Joe?

• 1:25:58Bill Maher?

  To all these people.

• 1:25:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:59Bill Maher?

  You're, you're the connector.

• 1:26:00Speaker 02

  Come on, man. Joe, Joe, yeah, Joe would be, Joe would be, you can get Joe and Bob. Come on, man, let's fucking build this shit up. We get two seats here. Joe and fucking Bob. Get Joe, Bob and Al.

• 1:26:12Bill Maher?

  But it was great to see you.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  It was great to see you. I appreciate you having me.

• 1:26:15Bill Maher?

  Say hi to Mark and Joanne.

• 1:26:16Speaker 02

  I will, of course.

• 1:26:17Bill Maher?

  Do you talk to them all the time?

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:26:18Bill Maher?

  You do?

• 1:26:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:25Bill Maher?

  And how often are you out here?

• 1:26:27Speaker 02

  You know, I moved back to New York full-time.

• 1:26:29Bill Maher?

  I know you do. Believe me, we know you're in New York. We know that.