Exposing the Globalist Agenda to Destroy the Family, Sterilize Humanity, and How to Escape It

Given that on your deathbed the only thing you’ll care about is your children, it’s kind of weird that our whole society is designed to prevent you from having any. Terry Schilling, the father of eight, just made a film about it, called Fathers Wanted. Available now on TCN. Terry Schilling is president of the American Principles Project, the nation’s leading pro-family organization, and a father of eight who has spent his career fighting for the Family. In Fathers Wanted, he follows his own father’s journey from addiction to U. S. Congress while sitting down with experts and everyday Americans to show how strong, committed fathers and healthy families are the only things standing between civilization and chaos. Paid partnerships with: Black Rifle Coffee: Promo code "Tucker" for 30% off at https://www.blackriflecoffee.com Charity Mobile: A pro-life company serving pro-life customers and supporting pro-life causes for 30 years. Use promo code TUCKER to get a free phone with free activation, free shipping, and a free gift with every new line of service at https://charitymobile.com/Tucker TCN: Watch “Fathers Wanted” only on https://tuckercarlson.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Tucker Carlson?

  Terry, thanks for doing this. What do you know about fatherhood?

• 0:37Speaker 02

  Well, my wife and I just had number eight, right? So I, look, I will tell you this.

• 0:42Tucker Carlson?

  When you say just?

• 0:43Speaker 02

  Well, we might go more.

• 0:44Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, but I mean, when did you have number eight?

• 0:46Speaker 02

  Last week. And, you know, she, I was like-

• 0:49Tucker Carlson?

  I just want to convey the imminence of it.

• 0:51Speaker 02

  To be fair to me, I'm a good husband and father. I did ask her if she wanted us to reschedule this. And she's such a huge fan of your show and everything you do. She was like, no, you have to do it. Don't miss out on this.

• 1:04Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you. Well, that's, that's amazing. So as a father of eight?

• 1:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:09Tucker Carlson?

  Why are you the father of eight?

• 1:11Speaker 02

  Well, I would say that, you know, I'm the eldest of 10 kids. I grew up working with my dad in our pizza shop. I had an amazing relationship with him. And I got to see what being a father is firsthand. And I had amazing grandparents and amazing great grandparents. But even more so, I just, I love my wife.

• 1:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:34Speaker 02

  I met her when I was 20, 20 years old. We started dating. That's, we were on a presidential campaign out in Iowa. And I fell madly in love with her. And it hasn't stopped. And so, you know, I love being a dad because these kids are all unique and different. They make the world more beautiful. They're funny, they're bad. I, it strengthens me as a person. But I just, I love my wife. I love my kids. I love finding out who they are, right? Because when you're raising them, you learn who your children are and who they're going to become. And each one of them is so different.

• 2:14Tucker Carlson?

  It's funny, you, you said in that, I agree with everything that you said, but the one thing you said twice was, I love my wife. So it sounds like your marriage is at the center of your- Of your thinking of yourself as a father.

• 2:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I look back at, at, you know, because marriage is ups and downs, right? And you fight and you have disagreements and you move forward. But anytime, the only regrets that I'm going to have on my deathbed is when I wasn't as charitable to my wife, or I wasn't as

• 2:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, that's right.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Kind and caring to her. Yeah, or patient, or dismissive, right? But those are the embarrassing moments of my life. And I, I, the only thing I'm going to regret is not spending more time with her, not getting to know her better, but I can fix that, I think, over the next 40 years.

• 2:59Tucker Carlson?

  So I have a million questions for you, just based on this two-minute exchange. But can we just go back to the beginning? If you don't mind just summarizing, like you said, I'm one of 10. I work with my dad at our pizza shop.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10Tucker Carlson?

  So already I know you had an unusual childhood. Can you just explain it?

• 3:14Speaker 02

  Well, I grew up in the Quad Cities. It's Western Illinois and Eastern Iowa. It's on the Mississippi River, hometown of John Deere tractors. We have our own pizza styles called Quad City Style Pizza and

• 3:26Tucker Carlson?

  How is it different?

• 3:28Speaker 02

  Okay, so it's a barley malt crust, which is the number one most different thing about it, and it gives it a more caramelization. So it's a little bit, I don't, it's, it's a complex flavor. But then It's crisper and we, it's a medium crust. So the inside is kind of thinner and the outside, the crust is thicker. It's cut into strips. So if you like crust, you get the corner pieces. If you don't like crust, you get the middle pieces because they're thinner. But the, the sauce is more robust. You know, I, I like all different types of pizzas. I don't like sweet pizza sauce for some reason. But it's got red pepper in it, so it's a little bit spicy. The sausage is actually the most important thing that we have.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  The thing that makes it most unique is it's a fennel sausage. It's spicier. So if you don't like spicy food, you wouldn't like it. The toppings are underneath the cheese. So it gives it a steamed effect instead of a fried effect. It's the best thing ever. I miss it every day.

• 4:28Tucker Carlson?

  You're making me hungry. It's like I've never heard pizza described so precisely or lovingly.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, it's it's a passion of mine and I I am not a believer in there being just one pizza place or one pizza that is better than everything else. There are all these different types of pizza flavors. There's New Haven style, there's New York style, there's St. Louis, Chicago. There's two types of Chicago style pizza. There's a tavern style. That's also cut into strips, but it's a thinner crust. And then there's obviously the lumalnati types, which is my favorite Chicago style pizza. But there's a there's Neapolitan pizza. I know a lot about pizza. It's one of my passions.

• 5:04Tucker Carlson?

  Interesting. I've eaten a lot of pizza, more than my share, but I don't know as much. So I need to bone up. But your family owned a pizza place?

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that was where all of us kids started working. We started working. I started working at 10. 1996 is when we opened. I was the head dishwasher.

• 5:22Tucker Carlson?

  What was it called?

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Saint Giuseppe's Heavenly Pizza. And there's an interesting story about my dad in this, in that it's called Saint Giuseppe's Heavenly Pizza. Giuseppe is Joseph in Italian. And Saint Joseph is the patron saint of our family. He's the he's the foster father of Jesus, right? So he's the patron saint of fathers. He's a patron saint of workers. He's an amazing, he's the greatest non divine figure that ever existed, I would say, besides Virgin Mary, obviously. But my dad started this pizza place to make more money to provide for the family. I think they had just had number five at the time, which, you know, when you become a father, you really feel the economic pressures and the stress. But

• 6:06Speaker 02

  before he opened the pizza restaurant, he was an insurance salesman. And he worked at Prudential Insurance. And in the 80s, his parents got divorced. He was a senior in high school, and he became a party guy. His dad was a bartender. His mom also worked at bars. They got divorced. And it it really adversely impacted his life. And he experienced terrible things. I don't want to get into that stuff, because it's just, it's actually kind of painful.

• 6:32Tucker Carlson?

  But he got way off track.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  He got way off track. And this is during the 80s, at the height of the crack epidemic.

• 6:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  And, you know, they didn't, they didn't really have to sell crack that much. They basically just said, you know, he smoked pot, right? And so he was leaving a liquor store. This is when you could buy alcohol at 18. But he's leaving a liquor store and the the crack dealer said, hey, you guys smoke weed? And they're like, yeah, thinking he's gonna sell weed. He goes, you want something better? And he gave him crack and crack is obviously one of the worst substances you can get addicted to. People ruin their lives over it. Only 5% of people that get addicted to crack end up ever getting clean. So my dad developed a crack addiction at the height of the crack epidemic, and he was able to keep it at bay, or at least keep it under control. But as part of the filming

• 7:20Speaker 02

  of this, I sat down with my mom to talk about the, her experience as the wife of a guy with a crack addict and of a crack addict. And one thing that blew me away that I didn't remember from my childhood, really, I knew he had a drug addiction when I was a kid, and I knew it was a problem. I knew he got clean. She told me that there were days where he would go three days without ever coming home. He would go to work, they'd go out drinking afterwards, and then they'd go smoke crack and do drugs, and they'd stay out all night. And then he knew he was in trouble, so he wouldn't go home, and he'd go right into work, and he'd work, and he, by the way, he was very successful at selling insurance. He, I think he was ranked

• 8:01Speaker 02

  225 out of 5,000 prudential agents nationwide. So he's very effective, very productive, but he'd keep going out and drinking, and he wouldn't come home until the third night. It really made me think about how these corporations in America, like, my mom noticed when he wasn't home for three nights, but Prudential Insurance didn't care. Why would they care? They don't, because he's selling, he's selling their product. He's producing value for them. And they probably were okay with him smoking crack, because it probably made him more effective. Yeah. And efficient. He could get back on, on the job. And so I've had this revelation over the last few years, that the government's bad, now it's corrupted, but also the industries

• 8:45Speaker 02

  are bad. The industries will chew you up and spit you out. And the irony is that there's this false notion of a work-life balance. It's total garbage. It's a total lie. And it's meant, the entire framing of the work-life balance is meant to go to war with life, right? It is, it is a false dichotomy set up by industries and corporations. So that you have to make a choice between your work and your private life. We'll let you take more vacation time. We'll let you have some paternity leave, you know, but you got to come back to work and produce value for the company. Otherwise you're of no value to us. And it is a way that they have monopolized our actual lives.

• 9:27Speaker 02

  And in my, in my opinion, based on the experience with my dad, his life turned around when he integrated his work in his life. When the pizza shop came around, he was working with his sons. He was working with his wife. That was the center of our life was the pizza shop. And my dad absolutely got clean. I want to be very clear about that. He, so the breaking point was when my mom was pregnant with number four. Right. And Joseph is his name. He's the one that runs the pizza restaurants now. But she filed for divorce when she was pregnant with number four, after another three day bender. And there was something really beautiful in all this that happened,

• 10:10Speaker 02

  which is if you go back, I've mentioned.

• 10:13Tucker Carlson?

  I quit drinking during my wife's fourth pregnancy.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Oh, that is.

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• 11:39Speaker 03

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• 12:20Speaker 03

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• 13:31Tucker Carlson?

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• 13:32Speaker 02

  That, well, that, I, there's something transformational about becoming a father.

• 13:37Tucker Carlson?

  Especially for the fourth time, that's.

• 13:39Speaker 02

  You're like, I really gotta grow up.

• 13:41Tucker Carlson?

  The slower among us take a few kids to figure it out, but yeah, that's, that's amazing.

• 13:45Speaker 02

  She filed for divorce. He didn't know where to go, so he went to his mom's house. His mom had divorced his dad, so we thought, you know, that's where you should go and get a device. She, my grandmother finds out that my mom's divorcing him. She calls my mom and confronts her, which is interesting, right? Because this is a woman who absolutely participated in the no fault divorce culture.

• 14:06Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 14:07Speaker 02

  But she said, why are you divorcing my, my son? And my mom said, her name was Pat, and she said, Pat, uh, he's not getting clean. He doesn't want to be married to me. He doesn't want a family. And Grandma Pat hung up the phone. She, well, she said, I'll handle this. And she sat down with my dad and said, I just want you to know, I'll always love you, always support you, but I never would have divorced your father if he asked me not to. And that was the moment where my dad called my mom and said, I don't want to get divorced. I want to get clean. And I think at a deep level, he knew that his problems weren't just because he was a wild and crazy guy. He was filling a major hole in his heart from his parents divorce.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  And so I, you know, I'm actually grateful that he developed that crack addiction.

• 14:58Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Because it made him a better person.

• 14:59Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree with that.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  And he chose us, right? He chose us over the crack addiction. He chose to break the cycle and the dysfunction and the chaos that result from breaking up families. He didn't want that to happen to us.

• 15:12Tucker Carlson?

  Trust a man who's had to face that about himself.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:14Tucker Carlson?

  He's not lying to himself.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  It's so humiliating. It's humbling.

• 15:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  Right? You have to admit, you know, when you go through these Narcotics Anonymous programs, or any anonymous programs, you have to say, I'm helpless against this. I rely on a power greater than myself. You have to accuse yourself, right? You have to go and apologize to everyone that you caused damage to. It's, it's such a beautiful program. And the people that really take it seriously and go through it end up absolutely transforming their lives.

• 15:43Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's like the humiliating a man can break him or make him. I mean, Jesus humiliates Peter right at the end. It's like, I'll never leave you. Yeah, you're gonna deny me three times. Humiliates him.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 15:57Tucker Carlson?

  And then builds the church on him because he's been humiliated.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:00Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I feel like that's, those are the people I trust. Don't you? People who face that?

• 16:06Speaker 02

  The people that are reflect, they reflect on their own behavior.

• 16:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  Activity. Those are the best people in the world.

• 16:14Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  That rather than the people that blame everyone else for their problems, like, I think a major problem in our world is that there's obviously narcissism and people obsessed with themselves.

• 16:26Tucker Carlson?

  There's narcissism?

• 16:28Speaker 02

  But they blame everyone else for their problems. And the reality is you have no control over, oh, this is an interesting, you have no control over what other people do. So a lot of people don't know this unless you've been in these anonymous programs. But my, my dad was in Narcotics Anonymous, my mom, so there's a whole support system for the families of these people. It's called Al-Anon.

• 16:49Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  And my mom told this story about how her first meeting, she comes in and there's all these experienced women that have been dealing with alcoholic husbands or drug addict, addicted husbands. She comes in, they go around the room. It's just like an anonymous meeting. And she's like, I just want to get my husband clean. I'm willing to do whatever I have to do to get him clean. And they kind of like patted her on the head. Oh, that's very cute that you think you can change your husband. You can't. He's not gonna get clean unless he wants to get clean. And that was, when I learned that from my mom, it was a major life lesson that you're better off doing self-reflection about where you come short. And if you really want to change things and make the world a better place, you, you have to start with yourself.

• 17:33Tucker Carlson?

  I think it's all you can do is, you know, take the plank out of your own eye. I totally agree with that. What's interesting though, is that for a man with four kids to admit that he's addicted to crack. I do think for most men, that kind of breaks them at that point. It's too much. They can't sort of pick up the mantle of father, head of household again. But your dad goes on to like be successful and have six more kids.

• 18:00Speaker 02

  Six more kids and sort of term in Congress.

• 18:04Tucker Carlson?

  That's unbelievable.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Well, and there was something really beautiful about my dad's life. First of all, he got cancer in 2020 and

• 18:13Tucker Carlson?

  At what age?

• 18:14Speaker 02

  He was 57, no 56 when he was diagnosed. He passed away the next year when he was 57 and it was advanced stage intestinal cancer. And they wouldn't have been able to pick it up, even if they did colonoscopies or endoscopies or anything like that, because it was on the outside of his, of his intestines. But the, the thing that was beautiful about it was I went out. I have a great organization, a great chairman and a great president at the time. And they let me go take care of him in the last month and a half. So I'm out there and I'm with all my siblings and you know, you just want to get out of the house and get clean your head, you know, from everything that's going on. So I took them all to Target and we're just getting snacks and stuff.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  And I tell them like, you know, you guys should just be really grateful that he, he's even alive now because he was, he had a real bad drug addiction. And my younger siblings, and these is, uh, these are numbers five, six, seven and eight. And they're like, what are you talking about? I'm like, that was addicted to crack. They had no clue because he had transformed his life so much. And the thing is he was a public figure, right? So he's a member of Congress. I started speaking about his crack addiction as a way to bring people over. And he gave me permission on his deathbed to talk about it at the funeral. And the political reporters from back home were astounded. And there's actually a really interesting article where they're trying to call.

• 19:42Speaker 02

  BS on me saying that he had a crack addiction because they had never heard of anything like this about him. But that's how much fatherhood and faith transformed his life was my siblings didn't even know about it. I mean, I knew there would be times I have very vague memories of my mom when I'm three, putting me in the back of the car and going and driving to the different bars in our area to try and find him. But it's very vague. My siblings have no

• 20:09Tucker Carlson?

  Where are you in birth order?

• 20:10Speaker 02

  I'm the oldest.

• 20:12Tucker Carlson?

  How old's your youngest?

• 20:13Speaker 02

  My youngest sibling is just turned 16.

• 20:16Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  My mom was pregnant as she walked down the aisle with me at my wife and I swear.

• 20:24Tucker Carlson?

  That's actually?

• 20:25Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, it's very beautiful. I love it. I absolutely love it. Yeah, I actually two of my well, my oldest daughter, Grace, who just got engaged. It's wonderful. She is older than the youngest youngest brother of mine, our youngest two siblings of mine.

• 20:40Tucker Carlson?

  That's amazing.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:42Tucker Carlson?

  So the nightmare, I think, for any child, and maybe especially the oldest son, is his father's death. I think it's something in the back of your head. You know, you always worry about it, or I always did. How did it? How do you view it now? Your father's death?

• 20:58Speaker 02

  It was it's always going to be painful. But there was this moment like when he's literally taking his last breaths. And, you know, before, let me go back, actually, earlier in the day, you could tell there was a when someone's about to die that day, there's always like a big shift in them. They actually kind of get anxious. They want to get up and move around. It's I don't know what it is, but it's he started doing that. And we got him back into bed. He was in a lot of pain. And my mom asked him, gosh, what can we do? What can we do to help? And he said, I just want my family and I want Jesus. And that was his call to us to say, I want last

• 21:39Speaker 02

  rites. And he wanted to receive communion. And so we got that and we got the whole family in there. And, you know, Tucker, I look back on that day, and he died with all 10 of us at his side.

• 21:54Tucker Carlson?

  That's incredible.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Praying for him, thanking, thank you, God, for Bobby, you know, and like, that is a beautiful life. And it wouldn't have happened.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  If he hadn't gotten clean, if he had stayed a crack addict and allowed the divorce to go on, what a max out of four kids. Yeah, maybe he got, you know, had some other woman on the side or whatever. But he died with all 10 of us grateful to God for his existence and for what he did in our life. And it was a beautiful death. Right. And I mentioned earlier that St. Joseph is the patron saint of fathers and workers. He's also the patron saint of a happy death. And the, the story is, is that he's the first guy to have a happy death because he died in the arms of Jesus and Mary. And I can't help but get that image out of my head.

• 22:46Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think the concept of happy death even exists in the West at this point. Hopefully we'll bring it back, but I, I feel like what you're describing so unfortunately is not even comprehensible to a lot of people. They don't even know what that means.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  They're very fearful of death and it's because we've lost faith, I think, in our society. I think that we rely on ourselves a lot. I think a lot of the-

• 23:13Tucker Carlson?

  Because we're so capable.

• 23:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the irony.

• 23:16Tucker Carlson?

  So capable.

• 23:17Speaker 02

  Human beings are so flawed, right? And you've got, you've basically got a really corrupt system in America, which is on the left, you have people that just want to want anarchy. They want to give kids sex changes. They want the government to pay for it. They want to put you in prison for having the wrong political beliefs. They want you canceled. But then on the right, you have some of that stuff, actually. But even worse, they're slaves to corporate America. They're slaves to the industries and the institutions. And it needs to change. And one thing I wanted to share with you, I was a 2021 Lincoln Fellow at Claremont with Charlie Kirk, and I got to know him a little bit, you know, there was just like 12 people

• 24:02Speaker 02

  total. It's 10 days. We're in Las Vegas. Charlie didn't gamble or drink and I lost all my money on the first day. So I got to talk to him quite a bit. But um, it was, there was a fascinating discussion where he was debating- Dating with another girl, a woman named Robbie Smith, who's one of the best people I've ever met. They were arguing about the lack of marriage and family formation in America. Who was to blame? Men or women? And Robbie was saying it's, it's obviously the men, they're smoking pot, they're watching porn, they're all distracted, they don't want to get married. I have all these good girlfriends that want to get married, they can't find a guy. Charlie said, no, no, no, it's the girl bosses. It's, it's the women wanting to get college degrees and putting off, getting married. They don't want to get married. And Charlie turns to me and he says, Terry, you're the guy that works on family policy.

• 24:47Speaker 02

  What do you think? And I had a bad answer and I hate the answer I gave him, but I said, you know, I think it's the men because, you know, biblically, men are the head of households. So it's our job to win women over and to form our households. The reality, Tucker, is that who's to blame in our society is our elites.

• 25:05Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 25:05Speaker 02

  It's all of them. I mean, it's the elites in corporate America that set the HR policies that, you know, after Dobbs passed or after Dobbs decision came down, corporate America was tripping over itself for abortion tourism. We'll pay for you, your flights to go and your, your accommodations to go to California and secure abortion. We'll freeze your eggs. What is that? Well, I'll tell you what it is. It is corporate America saying, if these women have babies, they'll leave the workforce and there'll be fewer people. We'll have to pay people more money because there are fewer workers in the workforce because if these women have babies, they'll become moms and then they'll maybe have another one. They'll have less time to be efficient and effective.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  And it's so depressing. It's so sad, but I do feel like-

• 25:51Tucker Carlson?

  It's not the capitalism I was promised.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 25:54Tucker Carlson?

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• 27:47Tucker Carlson?

  Slash Tucker. By the way, if women leave the workforce, then men will once again make more than women and then people will get married and the cycle will harden because when women make more than men, they don't get married because women don't want to marry men who make less than they do. Sorry. That's not an attack on women. That's what women self-report.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 28:08Tucker Carlson?

  In survey after survey after survey. So when women make more than men, the marriage rate collapses. Duh. That's what happened to black America. Now it's happened to rural white America, but it's the same thing.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  Well, there's this interesting thing where you look at Communist China, right? In the 1950s, they institute the one child policy and a bunch of different programs that incentivize sterilization. Their birth rate in 1960, I think, was 4.45 per woman. By 1997, they got it down to 1.53 after coercive and harsh tyrannical policies that really hurt and killed a lot of people.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  When the Brits gave up control of Hong Kong in 1987, the same year, their fertility rate, under the loving, gazing, you know, eyes of the of the Western world, Hong Kong's birth rate was at 1.13. With all the prosperity, right?

• 29:05Tucker Carlson?

  Even lower, right?

• 29:07Speaker 02

  And over that time, we have increased efficiency by 90% across our industries. We're almost double as effective and efficient as we are, as we were back in 1960. But more of our money goes towards the existential stuff. It was 50% of your income in the 1960s went to your mortgage, your car, your insurance, all the things you need to live. Today it's 80%. So we're more efficient, we're producing way more goods than we've ever produced, ever. But we're making less money. We need two incomes to make it in America today. And people are buying homes with two incomes. So when you lose your job, you go into foreclosure. This is all industry driven. Why is it, why, why do we allow people to buy homes with two, with two incomes?

• 29:51Speaker 02

  Why are you allowed to get a mortgage with two incomes? I don't, all that's done is it's jacked up the, the price of housing in the good school district. Cause there's only a few good school districts in the country. And if, if the incomes have doubled, you're in a bidding war now. And we have sacrificed our lives for business, for industry, for efficiency. And we're, we're more miserable than ever.

• 30:14Tucker Carlson?

  But they love us back, don't you think?

• 30:17Speaker 02

  You know, I, we were talking about this in the car.

• 30:19Tucker Carlson?

  How committed is Apple to you and your family?

• 30:21Speaker 02

  Oh, they hate you. First of all, oh my gosh, the iPhone should be free. The iPhone should, they need the iPhone to deliver all of their ads and their propaganda to you and to subvert everything you believe in. Why do we have to pay $2,000 for an iPhone? That doesn't make any sense to me.

• 30:40Tucker Carlson?

  To humiliate us, maybe? I'm just guessing.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 30:44Tucker Carlson?

  Is that what it costs?

• 30:45Speaker 02

  That's 1,500, 1,600 or something.

• 30:46Tucker Carlson?

  For an iPhone?

• 30:48Speaker 02

  For the, for the most, the, the highest level one. Yeah, I think so. I don't know. I don't buy them.

• 30:54Tucker Carlson?

  I don't either. They sent them to me. I didn't know that. My office, I didn't, wow, is that really what they cost? I'm so out of it. Gosh, I wish I didn't have one. So, um, you're one of 10, you now are the father of eight. So I think you're in a pretty good spot to describe what makes a good father.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  I think if you boil what becoming a father is and what it means, it's self-sacrifice, which is love. Yeah, right. Victor Hugo, author of Les Mis, he said that you can give without loving, but you can't love without giving. Right. And I think the ultimate example of what a man is, is Christ on the cross. Right? Like, here's a guy that is literally giving up everything. And if you actually read The Passion, he's fighting all the way up until the final moment. Right? These people are kicking him, he's falling, he's been beaten and scorched, he's bleeding profusely. They ripped out, I mean, I saw the episode where you were talking about that, and it

• 31:58Speaker 02

  had, it was way more impactful than The Passion, I'll tell you that. But you look at the Passion of Christ, he was fighting and struggling to get to Calvary the whole time. It was not a, it was a submission to God's will, but he had to work for it. He had to push himself to get up every time, and he did it for us. That is what we're called to be as fathers. Self-sacrificial, you never, I also think that fathers are merciful, but they're just, right? So they're, they're, someone described this to me, Pat Fagan, amazing guy who does a lot of pro-family policy, but he told me the difference between the devil and Jesus, which is amazing. He said, you know, the devil always deviates from the law, but he shows no mercy when you break the law.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Christ never deviates from the law, but shows infinite mercy when you apologize. And I think that's the rule of a father, is to not stray from the law, not stray from the rules, but be merciful to your children. Right? I think that there, you know, you hear horror stories about how some fathers behave, but I think if you're really doing it right, you're spending a lot of one-on-one time with each of your, I, believe it or not, even though I have eight kids, I make time for each one of them individually. And it doesn't have to be hours at a time. You can do a five, 10-minute trip to 7:11, get some snacks, your kids will open up to you. You get to, you have to have that one-on-one time with your kids. But I would say that if you were to boil it all down, it's sacrificing yourself for your children and your wife.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  It is being merciful, and it's also making sure your kids know the rules and don't make these mistakes. Discipline, right? These are, these are the things that are the most important thing when it comes to being a father.

• 33:38Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you often hear people compare the West, America, Europe, to Rome. Clearly, Western civilization is in decline. And at the same time, you hear another set of people tell you that masculinity is the problem, toxic masculinity. And young people hear both of these things, and a lot of them become consumed by despair. Men are not irredeemable. Men can be stronger, but you got to fix one thing before that happens, and that's fatherhood. No society without fathers can continue. And that's why we made a new documentary on the topic. It's called Fathers Wanted. What the country needs isn't less masculinity, it's more steady, responsible, self-sacrificing

• 34:23Tucker Carlson?

  male leadership. In a word, fatherhood. Strong fathers build strong families, and strong families build strong nations which amount to a strong civilization. Fathers Wanted is available right now for a limited time only on TuckerCarlson.com. How do you keep fathers from not breaking? I've seen it many, many times where a father loses his job, he feels like a loser, and then he starts behaving like a loser, and then his wife and children are unimpressed, and so he becomes even less impressive and just like cycles out of life. Either literally, or just falls apart with booze, or other assorted self-destructive activities.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Well, I think we're seeing more and more of that today.

• 35:09Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 35:11Speaker 02

  At an embarrassing level, actually. But the point of a system is what it produces, not what it says it produces. And our system today is attacking men. You know, I work all the time in DC. We all, all we do is pass laws and get people elected to help protect the family. That's what we do. And you talk to people on Capitol Hill, you can't bring up all of the attacks on young boys in schools. You can't bring up the attacks on young men, and how difficult it is, because women have it worse.

• 35:41Tucker Carlson?

  Still, they say that?

• 35:42Speaker 02

  They all, well, it's starting to change. No, it's absolutely starting to change. But you're not, you really can't, there's no, the irony is, is that there's a huge constituency with the American people on this. But when you go to Washington DC... The politicians don't want to hear about it. They definitely don't want to talk about it.

• 35:59Tucker Carlson?

  Is that true?

• 36:01Speaker 02

  Name one.

• 36:02Tucker Carlson?

  Now?

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Name, name five politicians.

• 36:05Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they used to say that women were discriminated, girls were discriminated against in schools. Well, of course, women dominate schools completely from top to bottom. They graduated at a far higher rate at every level than boys do. They used to say, well, women are paid a percentage of the male wage. Well, women make more than men now, nationally adjusted, as you know, and like, so the data are in, like, this is not an argument we have to have. Boys are falling behind, not girls. And I've just am amazed that people in DC won't admit that.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  It's, um, it's one of the last acceptable bigotries is against men. And it's because the news, politicians, everywhere in our culture, the, the movies. We just saw Paul Ehrlich just died, right? I was actually in the delivery room.

• 36:47Tucker Carlson?

  It was a lot of fun. Oh, actually?

• 36:48Speaker 02

  I was in the delivery room with the eighth child.

• 36:50Tucker Carlson?

  Giving a finger to Paul Ehrlich when he passed?

• 36:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, you know.

• 36:54Tucker Carlson?

  You explain who Paul Ehrlich was for those who don't know.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  So Paul Ehrlich, uh, wrote this book in 1968 called The Population Bomb. And he basically said that the whole world was going to collapse, uh, if we didn't stop people from having kids. Uh, he was incredibly evil. Uh, China's one child policies, he didn't go over and advise them, but they read his books. They use his course. He wanted to sterilize people forcibly. He wanted to have, uh, paid tax incentives for people that did sterilize themselves. He wanted to have limits on how many kids. He supported, uh, forcing people to get licenses before they could have children. Right? These, these are crazy ideas that I don't know why they took off. But the, the irony about Paul Ehrlich is that he made all these predictions about devastation and chaos in the world. If we didn't address the population, uh, bomb.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  None of them came true. Literally none of his ideas came true. The only one that got close to coming true actually was he predicted that in 2000, the year 2000, that the UK would fall. That's like the closest he's gotten. Uh, the UK is falling, by the way.

• 37:57Tucker Carlson?

  But not because Britons are having too many kids.

• 37:59Speaker 02

  No, it's, no, it's the opposite. It's the opposite.

• 38:02Tucker Carlson?

  Right, of course.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  Um, but Paul, Paul Ehrlich was an atrocious man. But one of the things that he was very passionate about was his guidance for television and movies. If you depict a family, they should be small. No big families in movies.

• 38:21Tucker Carlson?

  Well, how did Paul Ehrlich have the right to advise filmmakers and TV producers on what their art should be?

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Everyone, everyone was scared to death. They really, they bought it hook, line and sinker. And it's not new, Tucker. It's all so old. The, the idea that people are pollution is so old. It's, it's like, kind of boring if you look throughout history.

• 38:44Tucker Carlson?

  You sacrifice your children to the gods in order to become happy and prosperous. That's a pretty old concept.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  Well, there, there's one group. I, I actually, I have a joke for you. I'll try it out anyway. Is two priests walk into a bar. One's a Jesuit, the other's a Dominican. The Jesuit, they're debating about who the best order is in terms of Catholic priests. And the Jesuit says, well, we were founded by Saint Ignatius of Liola, and we're the most academic. We're the smartest and we were, we were founded to combat the Protestants. And Saint, I'm sorry, the Dominican priest says, well, I think we have you beat. We, we were founded by Saint Dominic, who founded us to destroy the Albigensians.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  Who are the Albigensians? When's the last time you've heard of an Albigensian?

• 39:35Tucker Carlson?

  And they're like the Houthis. They've never personally threatened me.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  No. Well, you would think so because you haven't heard of them, but their ideas are everywhere. The, the Albigensians were a 12th century heretical cult of Christianity. They basically believed that the soul was perfect and pure, but that the body and the physical world were corrupted. And so they started punishing people for getting married. They started encouraging people not to have children. Like the worst thing, anything pleasurable, if you've enjoyed good food, that was a sin for the Albigensians. If you had sex with your wife, that, that, having a baby was like the biggest. Sin you could commit for the Albigensians because

• 40:16Tucker Carlson?

  They were against Marlboros and SUVs too.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 40:19Tucker Carlson?

  I'm just guessing. I know these people. They're worried about climate.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. But they thought the worst thing you could do is trap a pure soul into a corrupted body like you're actually doing this. And those ideas are still here. I see Albigensians everywhere in our society. Their ideas have not died out. They've just taken different shapes. It's, it's why these corporations are promoting abortion and egg freezing. It's why states like California will take children from their parents if the parents don't affirm their gender identity. The family precedes the state. The family is the original community. It's the original society. There is no right to take children away from, from their parents unless there's actual serious abuse. But we see these ideas everywhere and they've taken hold. And you've got obviously Thomas Malthus, who, who believed that people were

• 41:08Speaker 02

  pollution, Paul Ehrlich, these guys, their policies have been very, have been failures. They've caused misery and chaos and suffering, but they've taken hold. All of our elite institutions, all of our elite institutions have been pushing these, these policies on us.

• 41:25Tucker Carlson?

  So the, all these ideas shapeshift. This is my read. All of these anti-human, anti-God ideas like manifest as some slightly different ideology, depending on the period, whether it's the Albigensians, or the Marxists, or the Green Party. All of those look antique kind of now, especially even the climate people, we sort of gave up on that. In exchange for building data centers. So data centers are incompatible with green politics because they're such a massive energy draw. So you need all forms of like electoral generation in order to power these data centers. But what's the point of the data centers? It's to create something called artificial intelligence, which I'm beginning to wonder, I'm not against

• 42:09Tucker Carlson?

  all AI, I guess, but I'm beginning to wonder if the agenda there is very, is very different. I mean, it does seem like replacing thinking with the judgment of a machine. How is that different from what you're describing?

• 42:22Speaker 02

  I think it's very similar. It is at the heart of the entire AI industry is the belief that human beings need AI, that they need some type of overlord above them, that's way smarter, that can process data. Tucker, that is, that's I think the worst thing. So Francis Bacon was another guy that we've discovered and he basically believed he was the art of modern science, or the father of modern science. But he basically believed that human beings could solve anything, that that nature was actually meant for us to completely alter and mess with.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  I think you're with me. I think nature exists. I think it should be respected. There are rules. You shouldn't have sex outside of marriage. You should be open to life. You shouldn't steal, you shouldn't cheat, you shouldn't lie. But these, these guys want to change. You can't kill the innocent. You can't sterilize the innocent, right? The, they believe that they are their own gods. I had a Dominican priest, I had to go back to the Dominicans. When the whole sex changes for kids thing took off, I went to a very dark place. I just couldn't believe that it was happening and I kept seeing these pictures and these stories are all horrific. So I call my friend Tim from Francis University, he's a Dominican priest now, and I'm lamenting all this. I can't believe they're sterilizing kids and they're mutilating their bodies. And

• 43:47Speaker 02

  he broke it down. He said, what we're dealing with right now with this issue is, is two things. One, it's very, very old. And two, it's very, very new. The old is the Garden of Eden. It is us trying to become our own gods and shape all of, all of, everything about us, even reject the, the biological sex that God assigned to you, you know, that God gave you. But he said that the new is the technology, you know, previous societies did not even understand hormone levels. So we have these new technologies and that is the Francis Bacon effect, is the new technologies and conquering nature and reshaping it to something darker, something

• 44:32Speaker 02

  that they can control and manipulate. I don't think you can beat nature, can you? No, nature always wins. That's, that's because God is real, right? Like he, there was a designer for our universe and for our world and for humanity. And he made these rules. And if you reject them, you're gonna have a bad time.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's why I like bad weather, because it reminds you of that.

• 44:59Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 45:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:00Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, it sort of doesn't matter what your ideology is. If you go out naked in a snowstorm, you're gonna die because nature is more powerful than you.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:08Tucker Carlson?

  That's just a fact.

• 45:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 45:10Tucker Carlson?

  And you can, you know, change your sex, I guess, but you can't change the need to be at 98.6 at all times before you die. It's like, it's such a great reminder. I, I wonder though,

• 45:25Tucker Carlson?

  as it relates to fatherhood, like

• 45:29Tucker Carlson?

  the description of a good father, because fatherhood is part of nature, can't be that different from era to era, right? No matter what we, in the moment we're living in, describe as a good father, there is a kind of absolute standard for good fatherhood. There has to be because there is in the, in the natural world.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it hasn't changed. I mean, there are eternal truths. A good father has always provided for his family. He's always protected them and he's procreated. Like you have to procreate to become a father.

• 46:02Tucker Carlson?

  Protect, procreate.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  And procreate and, and, and discipline and teach rules, be merciful, teach your kids. You know, there's, there's a lot of new studies that have been coming out over the last 10 years about fatherhood and how it impacts and shapes the individual and how it impacts and shapes the kids. One thing that was very interesting to me was, I think it was in Reason Magazine of all places. They, they wrote about how fathers are actually the ones that instill empathy in their children. And how they explained it was that fathers and men are naturally

• 46:33Speaker 02

  concerned about themselves, like we're kind of in our own heads and we're always thinking about what we need to do for our lives. And so like when your kid breaks your $400 drill, you're going down and lecturing them and saying, you know how hard I had to work for that $400 drill? I can't believe you used it without my, my permission. You know, you're not supposed to do this. We get kids to think about other people, whereas like the moms are always gonna be like, "Oh, don't worry about it. Your dad will just get another one. Don't feel that bad." So moms, now moms build self-esteem. Moms still play a pivotal role. There's a, there's a use to teaching your kids not to be suicidal over breaking a drill, right? But dads are the ones that instill empathy.

• 47:11Tucker Carlson?

  It's so obvious. Women are more empathetic, of course, so we think of them that way. But societies in which there are very few fathers, matriarchal societies are far less empathetic, far less empathetic than patriarchal societies. And you know that because they're like massively high crime rates in all societies run by women. And those are way less empathetic societies. Like, that's the proof.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  Yes. And, um, you know, I think largely I have a friend that, uh, we lament women because they're hard to understand. They're complicated. And, uh, he tells this funny joke. He said, um, "You know what the difference between complex and complicated is?" And "Complex? A jet engine is complex. There's all these intricate parts that all logically make sense and then work together, but it's complex."

• 47:57Tucker Carlson?

  So Rube Goldberg machine is complex?

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. Women are complicated.

• 48:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, that's right.

• 48:02Speaker 02

  They're hard to understand, especially if you're a guy. Um, but there's a whole nature of that. And I think that one of the ways that our elites have really screwed us over, um, is convincing women that having a career, having a good job is the basis of a good life and not becoming a mother.

• 48:21Tucker Carlson?

  Do women believe that, do you think?

• 48:22Speaker 02

  Yes. And, um, actually just recently-

• 48:25Tucker Carlson?

  Do you know people who believe that?

• 48:26Speaker 02

  I, uh, yes. Oh, I mean, ask any woman.

• 48:28Tucker Carlson?

  Who actually believe that, though?

• 48:29Speaker 02

  That, that think that a career is, is, is the most important thing for a good life? Yes. A hundred percent. They don't, young people today-

• 48:38Tucker Carlson?

  You've met a woman who believes that, who believes a career, working at the bank. Well, they'll at least say

• 48:43Speaker 02

  They'll at least say

• 48:45Tucker Carlson?

  It's actually preferable to having a husband who loves you, takes care of you and provides you children. I don't think there's a woman alive who actually believes that.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  Well, a lot of people, there's a lot of lies in our society and people will say lies.

• 48:57Tucker Carlson?

  Lies are the most powerful, aren't they?

• 48:59Speaker 02

  Right, right. And women today, I think they all know deep down, they really would do better with a husband. They really would be happier with a kid, right? I think you know biologically with a husband that could provide. Why do you want to go help Jeff Bezos make more money? Why do you want to go help Bill Gates make more money? Why do you want to help all these super wealthy, white billionaires make more money?

• 49:22Tucker Carlson?

  So you can be, quote, independent as you become totally dependent on a company that has no regard for you at all as a person.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  Yes, exactly.

• 49:30Tucker Carlson?

  I'm so independent. I work at JP Morgan. I'm so independent.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  Yes, but Tucker, the thing is so sad because these women are missing out.

• 49:39Tucker Carlson?

  No, I don't. No, I don't know why I'm laughing. I'm laughing at the irony because everything is irony. But yeah, no, it's the tragedy of America, really.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  And, you know, the egg freezing and the abortion tourism, it's so evil because these women. My dad died with 10 of us surrounding him. That's beautiful. That's you. You're going to have a lonely death and how things are heading.

• 50:04Tucker Carlson?

  They tell you that of your orientation in investment banking, though, do they?

• 50:07Speaker 02

  No.

• 50:07Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think there's any encouragement to think through to the end. How does this end exactly?

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 50:11Tucker Carlson?

  By myself, in an assisted living community where there's some, you know, foreign born nurse who doesn't know my name? That's the end? That is the end, actually, for a lot of people. And we should tell them that at the start. Like, how do you want this to end? That's a totally fair question, whether you're talking about war or your own life. Like, what does this look like in the final stage?

• 50:32Speaker 02

  Well, I think if you go back to the AI situation, a lot of speculation that AI is going to eliminate every single job and we'll all be prosperous. That's the lie they're telling us. We won't need to make money. We won't need to work everywhere. Machines will run our lives. Okay, fine, whatever. But.

• 50:48Tucker Carlson?

  Won't need to work. Oh, that sounds fun.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  But let's imagine that scenario, though, where you don't have to work, where you are living in heaven. You're gonna have a family, you're gonna have children, that is the ideal. If you don't have all this noise around you.

• 51:02Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I don't have to imagine how it works because I grew up in trust fund world. So I know exactly how it works and it, and it works where, you know, you become an alcoholic, sleep with the au pair, you're reviled by your children, then you shoot yourself. That's what a life of no working looks like. And then on the bottom end, the welfare world, which is the mirror image of the trust fund world, it's the same. It's true despair because a man needs work for meaning in his life. He protects and provides. That's where his sense of himself comes. That's his duty. And if he doesn't achieve it, he hates himself. So like a world without work is hell.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  It's not, it's not advisable.

• 51:35Tucker Carlson?

  I've seen it.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  Seeking it, but the, um, the, the people that put their careers first and that, you know, are going along with this lie. Cause like, look, they might not believe it, but they're doing it, right? And they're living it. And what they're missing out on, the, the work is the what, right? It's what you do. The family is the why. You get a job and you work hard at it so that you can provide for your family. That, the idea that you have a job so that you can build a legacy for yourself is not right, not correct. It's not going to happen. No one will remember you, especially the company you work for. The, the company that you work for, if you're a woman that's, is planning to never get married,

• 52:18Speaker 02

  that company is the day you die, the day you leave the company, they are going to immediately start preparing to replace you. Your children can't do that. Your children won't do that unless you're a bad mom or a bad dad.

• 52:29Tucker Carlson?

  No, but you're right.

• 52:30Speaker 02

  But you, you're missing out on the eternal. You're missing out on the why. When you say, I need to get a college degree, an advanced college degree, or I need to get a job, I need to put everything in my life, uh, ahead of my family. Family's not even advisable.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  It's a disaster. It's an absolute disaster.

• 52:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. I mean, first of all, you work so your wife will be proud of you. Just to put it in one, you know, your father worked so hard. That's right. That's why I say grace at the table. Cause I work so, no, I mean, that's like, this is actually nature. And I just feel like the program that we have sold, uh, to young people in our country is so unnatural and like bizarre and would make no sense to any so-called backward country. They'd look at this and be like, what? And they, I spend a lot of time in backward countries and they do look at it like, what? That it can't persist. Like you can't, I mean, we're fighting gravity here, kind of like this is not. The natural order at all.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  Well.

• 53:26Tucker Carlson?

  So it's doomed.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  Well, I don't think it's doomed. I don't think anything's ever doomed.

• 53:30Tucker Carlson?

  No, but I mean, the lies that we're telling ourselves currently, men and women are exactly the same. They occupy no unique role in the universe. They just can sort of choose it. Working for, you know, Microsoft is more meaningful than having five children. Like, these are such obvious lies that don't, don't they have to just crumble at some point?

• 53:51Speaker 02

  And I, I do think they're going to be crumbling here soon. It can't go on much

• 53:55Tucker Carlson?

  It's like it now, even that you're saying this out loud. You couldn't, if you said this 10 years ago, right?

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, you're, you weren't really, I don't think the crisis was as big of a deal, or it wasn't as apparent how urgent the family formation crisis was, or that we were prioritizing putting women in the workforce over family. I mean, I went to, I was in high school from 2001 to 2005, and family was the center of everyone's life. And maybe it was the part of the country I grew up in. Maybe the Quad Cities is just better than all these major cities or East Coast or West Coast stuff. But family was very much the center of everyone's life. Like you, and you learn that from talking to people at the pizza shop and, but one thing, one big change that I've noticed in our society is public parks. Public parks are interesting because they're in major

• 54:46Speaker 02

  cities and space is finite. So when you decide to put an area up as a public park, you're basically telling people what your top priorities are. 50s, 60s, all that, when we had the massive expansion of parks throughout our country over the last century, up until recently, they were all kids parks. When you say, I'm going to go to the park, you immediately envision playgrounds and swings and merry-go-rounds, all of that. But today, if you go to the inner cities, dog parks are, are outranking kid parks. The kid parks are empty. I went to a dog park and I talked to some of the people there. And one girl, I asked her, you know, how many dogs she has. She had two, but she's a dog walker.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  I love dogs, by the way. I don't want to attack dogs. But the, I talked to another guy. He said, I asked him if he was ever planning getting married and having kids. He said, well, I've got all these international weddings I have to go to and. That's not the main point. We're developing, we're directing all of these resources to dog runs and dog parks and not kid parks. In, in Hong Kong, it's actually a bit worse. You know, in a way, the parks are actually for senior citizens. They're, they're low impact exercise machines, like hip twisters and all of that. And it's, they don't have children. Their birth rate is like under, I think it's under one, it's like 1.09 or

• 56:13Speaker 02

  something. It's devastating. But these people either direct the money and the, the resources towards dogs or the elderly. If you look at federal spending on welfare and entitlements, it's five to one welfare benefits going to people 65 and up. We need to start reversing that back to young people and families to get them a more stable life. We are setting, we're telling the world and our citizens what our priorities are every time we build a dog park.

• 56:46Tucker Carlson?

  I gotta think so that your breakdown of federal spending, I do think it's an indictment of a specific generation. I'm not going to name them boomers, but I think that generation and the, you know, the last year, it was 1964, the year after the Kennedy assassination. Um, you know, they're on their way out. They're six, the youngest are 62. You know, the oldest are 80. So, once that, that generation, which has completely destroyed America, not all of them, but most, uh, don't you think there will be change?

• 57:17Speaker 02

  I think there will be a lot of change. Um, you know, these boomers have really screwed up our country and they really hurt young people. They, the boomers are the most selfish generation ever.

• 57:27Tucker Carlson?

  If World War II was such a massive success, how did it give rise to that generation? They came back from the war and had those people. So like, I'm not, again, you know, I'm, I totally very anti-Nazi, want to be clear, but like, if that's the founding myth of our country, that winning that war was such a win, then how did they produce the baby boomers?

• 57:45Speaker 02

  Well, I, there's probably a lot of reasons.

• 57:48Tucker Carlson?

  There's a lot of reasons, but there's something really heavy going on there. Like, how could you wreck it all with one generation?

• 57:54Speaker 02

  I think that they, I think that the, the greatest generation, the World War II generation, they went through the depression, they went through a world war, some of them went through two world wars. I think they were ready for prosperity. Yeah. Right? And I think that they kind of spoiled their children. There, I sat down with Bishop, Robert Barron. Yeah. And he told the story of King David and one of his sons. So Absalom. Who killed his brother? He kills brother. He tried to overthrow his King David. Yeah. As the king, he raised, rose up and. Yeah. That's what we're seeing. And then he got killed. He, and he got killed by God, basically. But um, this is what we're experiencing with

• 58:39Speaker 02

  the boomers is they are Absalom. They weren't disciplined. They didn't have to go without. You know, my great grandmother, it helps being from a big family because the eldest, I got to know my great grandmother. She was 64 when I was born. She lived another 31 years. And the stories I would hear from her, I was always grateful, right? I think that greatest generation, at least for me, instilled gratitude. And I don't know why it didn't translate to their children because their children are only entitled. And there's, and you said it earlier, there's a lot of good ones out there, but the majority, I think, are very self-centered. They, they were the generation that gave us all of this nonsense. Oh, I know. I'm very aware of that. And they're sitting on all the wealth. They're sitting on multiple homes. And here,

• 59:24Speaker 02

  let's go back to this. There are so many, we give so much more resources. You know, in the big beautiful bill, I liked most of it. They give $6,000 checks to senior citizens. They don't need money. They have all the money. They have all the homes. They're not selling them. It costs $750,000 in like, to get a town home in DC. Families can't afford, town homes are for families. They're for new families, actually. And they're supposed to be affordable. But now they're $750,000 because. The boomers aren't selling their multiple homes. You know, in California, there's this interesting dynamic where there was a lawsuit that was challenging whether or not you could do property tax freezes for senior citizens.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  They were arguing, the, the people that are challenging it were saying, this is age discrimination. You can't allow them, give them a different set of rules than the rest of us. And the courts obviously ruled in favor of the boomers because the judges are all boomers. But it's insane that we are freezing property taxes for these boomers who got their homes for eight raspberries and a blueberry and a horse. They've had so much appreciation of the value of their properties. It's skyrocketed.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  Why do they get tax relief when working family? The burden and the, the tax burden and the onus is all on young families. And, and we need to start reversing this. If we don't start reversing this, young people are not going to get married.

• 1:00:51Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they're also going to get really, really dark politics. And I interviewed Nick Fuentes, who I disagree with on a lot, uh, earlier this year and was attacked for it, whatever. But one of the main reasons I wanted to talk to him was like, this guy's super popular. Like, what is he saying? What, what is this? This is a totally different kind of politics, completely different kind of politics than anything I've covered at 56. Like, I'm just interested. And one of the things I learned from the experience was younger people have totally different politics. And by my standards as a middle aged person, they're pretty radical.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:01:27Tucker Carlson?

  And how did that happen? Well, it happened by taking away all their opportunity and then ignoring them when they complained about it. So of course they ever, and by the way, I, my sense is that Nick Fuentes will be considered pretty moderate very soon. So like, if you want a stable, moderate country, you have to take care of people and give them opportunity, right? There are massive consequences for behaving this way, I think.

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  You want more fathers. You want more families. If you want to moderate in politics, you want people that are serious about solutions to problems that actually are willing to address problems.

• 1:02:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  You want more fathers. You want more mothers. You want more children in families because when you become a father, when you become a husband, you're thinking long-term.

• 1:02:08Tucker Carlson?

  That's so.

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  You're no longer thinking about today.

• 1:02:10Tucker Carlson?

  It's the ballast in a ship.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:02:12Tucker Carlson?

  It keeps it steady.

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:02:14Tucker Carlson?

  Like, I'm a dad, I've got kids. Can't, can't get too crazy because I've got children. I mean, that's just like a baseline impulse, don't you think, in fathers?

• 1:02:22Speaker 02

  Yes. These kids are being radicalized because they don't, most of them are products of the divorce generation. So you have like compounding dysfunction there.

• 1:02:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  They're, not only did their parents divorce, but their parents' parents divorced. And so, you know, I went into my marriage under the belief that this is the most sacred of all the agreements I'm ever going to sign in my life. Right? I can sign contracts with corporations. I can sign business deals, but this is the one I can never break. It has to come before everything else. But this whole no-fault divorce situation basically said, no, your, your marriage is actually the least important of all the, all the agreements.

• 1:03:03Tucker Carlson?

  Right. The only thing, the only agreement you can't break in modern America is paying your credit card interest. And I suggest, cause I'm totally for not paying your credit card interest. I think you should stiff Citibank. That's my personal view. And I've suggested that before to conservatives. And they're like, that's cr- what? And I was like, no, these people are evil. Just like, I don't put the bank out of business. Just how about don't pay? And they looked at me like I was a freak, which, and that may be freaky. I'm not actually in real life suggesting that, though I kind of am. But like, the same people are like, yeah, well, it didn't work out. They got divorced. So that just tells you where the priorities are. It's immoral to stiff a bank, but it's okay to stiff your wife? Like, how does that work? What are those values?

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  Well, it's obviously predatory. It's obviously, you know, not treating the human person as a child of God, right? They're treating us like hogs in a machine.

• 1:03:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  That's what the elites in all the industries view us as, is pieces to play on the field that can make our products and do our services. They don't look at you as a dad. They don't look at you as a husband. They, they want you back in the workforce for maximum efficiency. And by the way, you're reading all about these artificial wombs and egg freezing and IVF and all of that stuff. I don't, I don't judge or attack anyone that's gone through IVF, except, you know, if you buy a baby as like a gay couple or something, I think that's really messed up.

• 1:04:24Tucker Carlson?

  But I think that makes you a conservative leader if you do that.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  It makes you.

• 1:04:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, you get a podcast, you get to yell at other people, talk about conservatism, the Trump coalition, yeah.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  But the, no, those, no, I know, it's.

• 1:04:35Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  But it's, it's the commodification of the human person.

• 1:04:40Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  And that is ultimate, you know, you, I love your, I kind of love it. I'm not endorsing it specifically, I need to do more research into it, but not pay your credit cards, sounds like a great way to get these, you know, credit card companies to stop preying on.

• 1:04:52Tucker Carlson?

  Well, how about, my idea was like, let's have a, hey, let's not pay our credit card party, where that's the, that's the only like bullet point on the agenda is we all agree not to pay our, and just to negotiate terms, like, cause Trump was always bragging about how, well, you know, if you take a big enough loan from a bank, they have to negotiate with you, like you're in charge, because they're exposed, because it's just too much money, which I get, I'm not criticizing it, but like, why not create a union to do the same for the entire public, like, stop sending credit card solicitations to kids, stop charging 20% interest, like, that should be illegal, that's, that's usury, that's, the mafia used to go to jail in the Rico for that, but it's okay for Citibank? That's all I said, and it was like, what? What? I was like, oh, I found the tender spot.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  Well, this is what really annoys me about Republicans, and, you know, they're so corporate centered, they're so like, free market centered, when Trump mandated that like, that credit card companies couldn't go over 10%, all these libertarian, right wing think tanks sort of criticizing him as an enemy of the free market, if that's an enemy of the free market, then consider me one, right? Because they're, they're taking advantage of poor people, rich people don't really use credit cards, they pay them off every month.

• 1:06:03Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  But the poor people are the ones that pay the interest, and that's why.

• 1:06:07Tucker Carlson?

  We still have payday loans, dude.

• 1:06:11Tucker Carlson?

  And that the only kind of capitalism they seem to really endorse is like sending tax dollars to weapons companies. And I'm like, I'm a wuss or something if I'm not for that or a peacenik, which I'm not, obviously. I'm like, yeah, anyway, uh, yeah, don't, don't, don't even get me going, Terry Shilley. Okay. So let me just, let me end on this because I, a more positive note. Um, and it's about your dad and because you clearly consider him a great father and you've become a father of eight, which is amazing. God bless you.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:06:42Tucker Carlson?

  What did you, tripe question, but I think you probably have a real answer. What did you learn from him? Like as you go about the business of raising eight children? What do you, when do you think about your dad?

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  Oh, that's a great question. I think about him a lot. I think about him every time I hold a new baby. You know, my dad, uh, this is actually advice for anyone that becomes a father or is going to have another kid. If you're the dad, uh, you, one, you gotta be in the delivery room and you gotta look, right? One, you gotta watch that kid come out. And I know-

• 1:07:12Tucker Carlson?

  That's a wild experience.

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  Oh, it is. It is incredible. It is so euphoric, but you're the first guy that gets to see that kid's face. And you know, your wife's going through all this hell, like pushing this kid out or getting your stomach ripped open. The least you can do to participate is to see your child come out, right?

• 1:07:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  But that, he, he advised me on the first one, uh, and I haven't ever looked away since. And it's such a special experience. But, um, I think working hard, my goodness, uh, sacrificing yourself, accusing yourself, you know, my dad, uh, and accusing your kids. I think it's okay to accuse your kids. And my dad, because of his addiction, uh, he always was paranoid that one of us kids was a drug addict and, uh-

• 1:07:55Tucker Carlson?

  It's good to be paranoid.

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  He, one time, uh, my, you know, we work in the pizza restaurant, you get tips at the, when you clean out the tables and all that. Well, my brother is just weird and he keeps his dollar bills like rolled up. I'll never forget, my dad was like topping it down to see if there's any coke in it. And it's like, dad, I'm not doing coke. But that was actually him loving us because he was thinking, well, I did crack, so it's not impossible-

• 1:08:18Tucker Carlson?

  If I found a rolled up bill in one of my kids pockets, that would be the first thing I would think.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. Obviously. And he was, at the time, you're offended, like, how could you ever possibly leave? I know, kids are so offended. But he was a crack addict. Uh, I think, I think one of the benefits of having a crack addict as a father, like, people hear that and they're like, oh, my gosh, that must have been so terrible. I'm grateful for it. And it prepared me for the world we live in today, which is like, Gen Z'ers are all being raised by these women on amphetamines and SSRIs and, and Xanax and all of that. So it helps me relate to them and actually connect with them, uh, to know what they're going through. And it, it helps me speak to them. Do you think they have a sense that their parents are on drugs? Yes. Prescription drugs? I don't think the parents hide it. I mean, it's hard to hide. These women, it's

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  like a whole thing. They compete. They brag about the, the drugs that they're on, the pharmaceuticals. And, you know, Tucker, I just want to say that the, the industries have monopolized our time so much and taken over our lives that these poor women and men at this point have to take Adderall to have the energy to do their job every day. But then they have to take the anti-anxiety medication to combat that. And then they're taking all these other pills. You take a pill, then you have to take pills to combat the side effects of it all. That is what these industries have done through this fake concept known as the work-life balance, is they've monopolized our lives and taken over where we need pharmaceutical drugs just to exist and be happy. Do you feel like change is coming?

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Some type of change. I don't know if it's gonna be good, uh, but it, it seems pretty dark. It seems very dark right now. Um, you know, 40% of Gen Z'ers say they don't want to get married. 43% say they don't want to have kids. That's insane. That, that is not a sign for hope. Now, I do think, you know, they have those other charts where I think there is some hope, um, which show that liberals and progressives and, you know, these types, they're not having kids, but the, the Christians are. I think that's a very good sign for our country. I just don't know if it's in time. I hope it is. I think

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  If times are gonna get bad, though, you wanna have kids, right? I think, I think one thing that we've really gotten wrong.

• 1:10:28Tucker Carlson?

  Team, man.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  Team, that's it. That's, that's what matters. Christian, Christianity is what we're here for, right? If God actually exists, then he's the full story. If you actually believe in God, you can't not believe that he's the main character. He is the main character and we live by his rules. But if times are gonna get bad, you wanna have kids. The Bible's very clear. Children are a blessing from the Lord, right? They are a blessing from the Lord. Blesses a man whose quiver is full. He will not be left in shame as his enemy is at the gates. We need more kids. So I'm, I mean, we're, we're gonna keep going. We're open to whatever God sends us. Because I don't think I have a right to tell God no, right? If he, if my wife gets pregnant, I think there was a divine hand in that.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  And he's saying, we need, you know, there's an old proverb. I forget who said it, but it's, it was every new baby born is a sign from God that he wants the world to continue. He's sending his helpers. He's sending his people that have different skillsets, different dispositions. And so we're gonna keep taking him.

• 1:11:32Tucker Carlson?

  And who wouldn't want that? Who wouldn't wanna like sit at the head of a big table and be the patriarch? I don't understand that. That seems like the most basic desire of the male heart. I thought that's what men did want.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  Well, I think.

• 1:11:44Tucker Carlson?

  I've always wanted that my whole life.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  I think.

• 1:11:47Tucker Carlson?

  Dogs running around, little conversations going on at the end of the table. It's the best, dude. It's the, I mean, like, what else is there?

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:11:56Tucker Carlson?

  No amount of room service or Carnival cruises or weekends in St. Bart's could approach the deep joy and satisfaction of sitting at the head of a table of your descendants. It's like the greatest thing that's ever been. Doesn't, I thought everybody thought that.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  Well, I think that the.

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  The issue is the single life, the unmarried life, the childless life. It's very comfortable. It is fun. It is, you can do whatever you want. It's innocuous. It's like weed, right? Weed seems to be like it's not a threat, like it's not a big deal. But people will go 40, 50 years, smoking pot every day. And then by the time that time is over, they look back at their life, they can't remember anything. They don't know what happened in their life.

• 1:12:40Tucker Carlson?

  About aim, I've smoked a lot of weed in my life.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  No, I hate drugs.

• 1:12:43Tucker Carlson?

  I agree. But I have done it a lot. And talk about aiming low.

• 1:12:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:12:48Tucker Carlson?

  Like, that's what you want to not remember or something? Like, why wouldn't you want to sit at a table with your descendants? I mean, that's just like.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  Well, the single life is just as innocuous or innocuous. It is, it doesn't seem threatening. It actually seemed, you're told by every corner of our society, by the elites, that being single and child free is actually prosperity, is actually human flourishing. So these people, these poor people have been lied to. They've been manipulated into serving the state and their corporate masters.

• 1:13:22Tucker Carlson?

  Man, that's the lamest thing to ever want.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:13:25Tucker Carlson?

  Ever. Terry Schilling, thank you for this. Congratulations on child number eight. It's incredible. I know that when people, I'm sure that like they say catty things to when you got on airplanes, but deep down they're envious.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Thank you, Tucker.

• 1:13:37Tucker Carlson?

  It's true. Thank you.