Kurt and Wyatt Russell

It’s a family affair this week, we have acting royalty Kurt Russell with his son Wyatt Russell here to talk about the brand new series of their hit Apple TV show. We’ve already had Wyatt’s sister Kate Hudson join us, we’re only a few steps away from ticking off the full family (Goldie next?). We covered everything from Kurt being a trained pilot, Wyatt never wanting to become an actor, their joint phobia of spiders, eating ready meals while filming in Australia, being wine & cocktail entrepreneurs, and we even find out that Wyatt took his very first steps on the set of our all time fave film - Overboard! We absolutely loved having this gorgeous father and son duo join us, looks like we’re getting closer and closer to an invite to THAT epic NYE party…! The new series of Monarch: Legacy of Monsters is streaming now on Apple TV now. Listen & watch Table Manners here - https://tablemanners.komi.io/ Follow Table Manners on: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tablemannerspodcast/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@tablemannerspodcast Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/tablemannerspodcast YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@TableMannersPodcast Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:35Jessie Ware?

  Hello and welcome to Toby Manners. I'm Jessie Ware and it's a lovely sunny

• 0:40Speaker 02

  Day.

• 0:40Jessie Ware?

  Spring day.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  Spring hath sprung.

• 0:43Jessie Ware?

  Today we have Kurt and Wyatt Russell, father and son, who also play the same character in the Apple TV show Monarch Legacy of Monsters. They play Lee Shaw and it's this kind of Godzilla coned scientists, relationships, it's all of it. And so they play the same character but at different stages of their life. So Wyatt is playing Lee Shaw when he is post-war 50s, younger. And then Kurt plays him when he's, you know, mid 60s. So we've got them both coming on and you know, we've had Kate Hudson.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, just need Goldie now.

• 1:20Jessie Ware?

  Just need Goldie Hawn now. Very excited to have them.

• 1:23Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 1:23Jessie Ware?

  You have cooked today, Mum.

• 1:25Speaker 02

  I've cooked today.

• 1:26Jessie Ware?

  What have you made?

• 1:26Speaker 02

  For my heart's love.

• 1:28Jessie Ware?

  Well, we do love Kurt Russell. Overboard is our ultimate.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  It was our family film, wasn't it?

• 1:34Jessie Ware?

  I think that's, is that inappropriate or not? No, I don't think so.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  We all loved it.

• 1:39Jessie Ware?

  I think it was.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Got something for everyone.

• 1:41Jessie Ware?

  Something for everyone, yeah.

• 1:42Speaker 02

  I've cooked John Gregory Smith.

• 1:45Jessie Ware?

  Good old John Gregory Smith.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Love you. It's a prawn with aozzo.

• 1:49Jessie Ware?

  Okay, great.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  And then I've made a Little Gem salad with a chai vinaigrette and pickled red onions.

• 1:58Jessie Ware?

  Where'd you get that idea from?

• 2:00Speaker 02

  I just looked up, I've got two bags of chives in my fridge. So I looked at Little Gem and chive and it came up.

• 2:06Jessie Ware?

  Wow, my breath is going to smell fabulous.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's very garlicky. And then I've made a chocolate whiskey cake.

• 2:15Jessie Ware?

  Wow.

• 2:16Speaker 02

  Which is basically a chocolate cake made with cocoa, not chocolate cocoa.

• 2:21Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  And then you make a milk and whiskey soak.

• 2:25Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  And you pour it over the top so the whiskey sinks into the cake and then it's got a caramel glaze.

• 2:31Jessie Ware?

  Yum.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, it looks if it's gonna be great.

• 2:34Jessie Ware?

  We'd made another cake yesterday, didn't we, Mel?

• 2:35Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:36Jessie Ware?

  Have my son's seventh birthday, laser tag, Greenwich.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  Laser tag.

• 2:39Jessie Ware?

  Fab.

• 2:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40Jessie Ware?

  Haven't played laser tag in years.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42Jessie Ware?

  And I was taking it quite seriously.

• 2:44Speaker 02

  Well, the millennials do, darling. Are you a millennial?

• 2:47Jessie Ware?

  Yes.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48Jessie Ware?

  Why do they take it seriously?

• 2:48Speaker 02

  I saw them pushing young children out the way so they could look at their scores, yeah. They were like, push them out the way. I said to your daughter, you need to have more of a killer instinct, darling.

• 2:58Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, my daughter needed to get, yeah.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  She did all right in the end.

• 3:02Jessie Ware?

  She did all right. It was very fun, but yeah, we made a birthday cake. Well, I kind of made it, actually.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  You made it, darling.

• 3:07Jessie Ware?

  But you, uh, you kind of executive shefted me.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:11Jessie Ware?

  And told me what I was doing wrong with my butter icing.

• 3:13Speaker 02

  It was fine. It was a football pitch.

• 3:17Jessie Ware?

  I've realised that basically with a kids cake, the more shit you throw on to it, the more it looks like you've made an effort.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:23Jessie Ware?

  So.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  And they liked, I washed all the little figures later, so it could keep them.

• 3:28Jessie Ware?

  I'm gonna be stepping on that in my, uh, bare feet.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  No, they were just on the top.

• 3:32Jessie Ware?

  That and the new Harry Potter Lego that my son got. Anyway, Kurt Russell and Wyatt Russell coming up on Table manners.

• 3:47Jessie Ware?

  Kurt and Wyatt Russell, thank you so much for being here.

• 3:50Speaker 03

  For having us.

• 3:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 3:51Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 3:52Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. Mum was saying we just need Goldie and then we've ne- and Oliver and then we've nearly had the.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, we've got the whole family.

• 3:58Jessie Ware?

  How many siblings have you got?

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Three siblings, so it's Oliver, Kate and Boston.

• 4:01Jessie Ware?

  Okay, we need Boston, Oliver and Goldie and then we've done it.

• 4:04Speaker 03

  That would be a fun, that's a fun group. And Meredith, we need Meredith here. Wyatt's wife.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  Oh, you're wonderful.

• 4:10Jessie Ware?

  How, how is Meredith with your two children that are full of germs?

• 4:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, she is, uh, she is the rock of the family right now. We've traded off. She was doing work here in London. Before me, I was with the kids. Now it's her turn to be with the kids and they're all. Sick, of course.

• 4:26Jessie Ware?

  Oh my.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  It's a bummer, but she's a, she's got the immune system of, of like a god.

• 4:30Jessie Ware?

  But you don't.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  No.

• 4:31Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  I get the man flu, you know, and it's like, I go down and I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm a useless human being. I've, I've got the, I've got, it's just the nasal now. It's no longer the sick part.

• 4:44Jessie Ware?

  Nasal spray coming out my ears upstairs if you need anything.

• 4:47Speaker 03

  Okay. Yeah. Do a little nanny pot and.

• 4:51Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah. And they're what's it, they're really unattractive Neil Med.

• 4:54Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:54Jessie Ware?

  The one where like literally, I mean, it's so satisfying with the crap that comes out of your nose.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. It's amazing.

• 5:00Jessie Ware?

  No, sorry.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  But just don't, uh, don't use tap water. That's the one's advice. Cause I've like the brain amoebas you don't want.

• 5:07Jessie Ware?

  Oh, God.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  You don't want the brain amoebas.

• 5:11Jessie Ware?

  Food and drinks. Kurt's watching my mom deal with the dinner.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Uh, can never have too much butter.

• 5:18Jessie Ware?

  Wow, that is a lot of butter.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  Ah, yeah.

• 5:22Jessie Ware?

  Really?

• 5:22Speaker 04

  Very good.

• 5:23Jessie Ware?

  It's like a huge, anyway, thank you for being here. Whilst mum is dealing with, with, I think we're having some kind of paella thingy, something. Let's start at the beginning because we don't have you for too long. I want to know about both of your childhoods. So let's start with you, Kurt. Who was around the dinner table and what's a very memorable food memory?

• 5:43Speaker 04

  Well, in 1959, my grandfather, uh, on a barbecue

• 5:51Speaker 04

  that he made himself, he won the world's outdoor cooking championship.

• 5:54Jessie Ware?

  Oh God, you're such high achievers, all of you.

• 5:57Speaker 04

  This was, this was, you know, he was a great chef.

• 5:59Jessie Ware?

  Wow.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. He built a log cabin in Maine in 1939 and we were there a lot.

• 6:04Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  And that's where we, we kind of grew up as very young, but we would go back. Once my dad moved the family to California. Cause he was going to have an actor after he played baseball, then, um, we'd go back and see them quite often.

• 6:20Jessie Ware?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  And as the years went by, you know, it was always great when Buddy, who was my grandfather, he has his sons named Buddy. Buddy would always cook for us and it was, so that was, it was big in our family. And it was, I can all, what I can always remember is he was one of those that was like. There's still some left there in the middle, you know, so we would all have to, you know, finish up whatever he had cooked. But he was a great chef. And he had a really renowned hotel on Kennebago Lake, where for many years in the beginning in nineteen, from the early nineteen fifties till the, to the early nineteen sixties, before union laws changed, he had one of the most famous buffets in the United States.

• 7:03Speaker 03

  Which I didn't believe until I saw photos in my grandmother's grandfather's photo album. When Lulu was dying, we were going through the photos. And I was like, where's this? And it was like, this epic, I mean, it really was like as epic as they described. I was like, oh, my God, it was epic.

• 7:21Jessie Ware?

  Please, can you describe it to the listener now?

• 7:24Speaker 04

  Kennebago Lake was a five mile long by one mile lake. Still, you know, it's still, it's in a different arrangement now. There's thirty one cabins. And it was a main lodge. And on Thursday nights, he had this buffet. And they'd fly in from Florida, from San Francisco, from New York. He had the first float plane base in the state of Maine. So he had been flying people up from Boston and New York and Chicago and whatever. And but there, once he got this going, you know, people would come up literally for, they spend the night and have the buffet. The buffet was fantastic. You've seen it.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  It was amazing.

• 8:01Jessie Ware?

  And you ate the buffet?

• 8:02Speaker 03

  I didn't have it.

• 8:04Jessie Ware?

  Did you ever get to eat it?

• 8:05Speaker 04

  No, because by the time I worked there as a busboy and worked behind the front desk, he had, he was unable to do it anymore because of the union laws had changed for the chefs that were working on the buffet. And they didn't have enough time to make it. So he said, if I can't do it right, then I'm not going to do it. So it stopped around nineteen, I don't know, nineteen, maybe. Sixty two.

• 8:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember seeing a photo of this in nineteen fifty six.

• 8:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  It was and that's like, but but it was a truly like an incredible buffet. It was incredible.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  So what would be served on the buffet? Just a barbecue every night.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  This was this was fine dining.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  At fine dining, sorry.

• 8:47Speaker 04

  And it was up in in it's nine miles from the town of Rangel, which was nine hundred people.

• 8:52Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  And so they even it wasn't easy to get there. He had built he helped build the airport.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  That was nearby where you could have in, you know, private owned airplanes to go into. And then you, you know, get a ride to Kennebago Lake Club. And and they and it was, I mean, there was this was a meal for.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  It sounded like one of those like it sounded like an early version of one of those eco lodges that, you know, now people spend lots of money to go to, but it was it sounded like at the time.

• 9:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, first fly fishing only lake in the state of Maine. And he had high, you know, high, real high level people coming in there for this for this buffet. It was it took up a whole room.

• 9:34Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 9:34Speaker 04

  The buffet itself was went all the way around the room.

• 9:37Speaker 02

  I love a buffet like that.

• 9:40Speaker 04

  It was, I mean, so when you say, what did he have? Always there was lobster. Always there was. I mean, he, you know, I I don't remember it because it was before I really paid any attention to anything, you know, in that regard. But I know that it was world famous.

• 9:56Jessie Ware?

  And did you learn to fly because you were inspired by you fly, don't you?

• 10:01Speaker 04

  Yes, I, yeah, I'm, yes, I flew for thirty years and I never really knew why I I flew or why I started flying. But I took my certification for my medical. And the doctor asked me an interesting question. He said, you know, why'd you get into flying? I said, I don't know. I just had this one instance where I was hunting at a guy's place. And I said, and he said, you know, if you you could fly over here in probably twenty five minutes rather than the two and a half hours it takes you to get here. Got me to thinking about it and I started flying and then the medical doctor said, um, do you have anybody in the family who flies? I had no, but I said, my grandfather was national stunt champ, the same man was the national stunt, what they called stunt flying then, which was aerobatics.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  Champion for six years and he, he stopped logging hours at 55,000 hours. And I said, I'm, you know, talked to Buddy about all of his, a lot of his flying and stuff. And he said, you'd be surprised how many guys I asked that question who don't know why they got into flying, who had somebody in the family who flew.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  Just you should fly then.

• 11:02Jessie Ware?

  My dad, no, I'm all right.

• 11:06Speaker 04

  If there's something you want to do, do it.

• 11:09Jessie Ware?

  Well, no, I mean, we'll talk about all your extra, you know, curriculum hobbies that you both have, whether that's wine or cocktails and violin making. And then like just being like pro sport people as well, whilst also being like international superstars on the screen. So you do everything. Um, but, but well, now to you, Wyatt. Family memories of food around the table and who was there?

• 11:32Speaker 03

  Um, you know, it's been a, it was a weird point of contention with my wife and I.

• 11:36Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  Uh, because we grew up not having, everybody's schedules were crazy and the, and the, my, my brother's 10 years older than me, Kate's seven, Boston's six. Oliver's 10 years older than me. So everybody had different schedules and I'm the baby. And so we, we always, we would have dinner a lot around the TV. And we, we wouldn't have like, sit down dinner, like here's what it is. Cause our schedules just didn't allow that. My wife had it very regimented, like Carrie, your sister got the cups of milk, it was Meredith's job to do this. And that was every night. And her mom cooked every night. So what I remember is the fun of like the chaos around dinner.

• 12:20Speaker 03

  And then my grandma, uh, you know, always had a few recipes that I really remember because then my mom would make my grandma's recipes.

• 12:29Jessie Ware?

  Grandma, this is who your sister, when she came on the podcast talked about.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, well.

• 12:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, grandma's brisket was like, uh, but like a very distinct taste. I can't explain it at all. Great, amazing.

• 12:44Jessie Ware?

  Okay, okay.

• 12:45Speaker 03

  Um, it was like, it wasn't like, it wasn't very fatty brisket. It was like, and it, so it wasn't like fall apart in your mouth brisket. It had like a texture to it. Um, and then, uh, shepherd's pie was another big one.

• 12:59Jessie Ware?

  I thought that was an English thing.

• 13:01Speaker 03

  It was, that was something that we had a lot.

• 13:04Speaker 04

  Goldie, you gotta understand, Goldie is a hell of a cook.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:07Speaker 04

  I mean, she's, especially with game.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  Really good. And then she makes a, she makes a beef stew that like is unbelievable.

• 13:15Speaker 04

  You're under some pressure on here.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  The other one that is American and has American in the name, American chop.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  American chop suey.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  It was like, so basically it's like a, it's like a, it's like a homemade hamburger helper. I, I don't know what your guys would have. Hamburger helper was like, you know, you, you do ground beef and then you put in.

• 13:35Speaker 04

  Curly noodles.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, but, but hamburger was like in a packet, you know? But this is like a fast bolognese, but you cut up carrots and cut up celery, peas.

• 13:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:45Speaker 03

  And it all goes.

• 13:46Jessie Ware?

  And you mix it all in together and cook it together.

• 13:49Speaker 03

  And it's quick with macaroni noodles. And I, I'd never made it for Buddy and Buddy was hungry like a week ago. And I was like, what makes Buddy's like American chop? And we made it and our neighbor, uh, our neighbor's daughter as well had it. And like, they were like loving the American chop. And I was like, yeah, it was awesome. It's great.

• 14:06Jessie Ware?

  Is it because, do you think what makes it so delicious is the hamburger help? Is that like a sachet of like?

• 14:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. So it's, we don't use hamburger helper, but it tastes like hamburger.

• 14:14Jessie Ware?

  And what kind of spices are in that? Or like, um, like garlic powder?

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Garlic powder.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Cumin.

• 14:20Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 14:21Speaker 04

  Maybe.

• 14:21Jessie Ware?

  Paprika?

• 14:22Speaker 03

  Paprika. No, no, no, that's not cumin.

• 14:26Speaker 04

  I'm in the chili world.

• 14:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, maybe I think there's nutmeg in there.

• 14:29Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 14:30Speaker 03

  Uh, but it's not a lot of spices.

• 14:32Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  It's very basic. The whole point is that it's like basic, basic.

• 14:36Jessie Ware?

  We do need Goldie here.

• 14:37Speaker 04

  She knows her, she knows her stuff. She can talk, she can talk cooking with you.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  I mean, I think we have to put it out there that overboard is probably our most loved film. I think, how many times have we watched it? Well, I mean, like hundreds of times. We've been a bit miserable. We'd watch overboard.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  The, the, every time I turn on, we just were flipping through the TV the other day in New York and I was like, well, there it is. Like overboard.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  It's classic.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. People still, still watch it.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  And you were so mean.

• 15:08Speaker 03

  Well, I was so she.

• 15:10Speaker 04

  I was so justified when she was mean.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  We knew you were gonna fall in love, obviously, from the beginning.

• 15:17Speaker 04

  That was a wonderful screenplay and I thought it was like one of Goldie's greatest performances because she plays such different people but the same, within the same person.

• 15:27Jessie Ware?

  And you were a couple by then, no?

• 15:29Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, we got together in nineteen eighty-three on a picture that she was producing and starring in called Swing Shift. I got cast in that and then we met there and then three years later. Wyatt was born in eighty-six, so this must have been eighty-seven.

• 15:45Speaker 03

  I think I was like.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  Late spring of eighty-seven.

• 15:47Speaker 03

  Eleven months or something. I remember, the story goes that I took my first steps on.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:52Jessie Ware?

  On the yacht.

• 15:53Speaker 03

  No, no, they had a trailer, they had trailers set to each other. I've seen pictures, that's how I'm remembering in my mind, but like I was, I have a picture of mom going, you know, with her face, you know, I had, we had that in a photo album somewhere, but that sticks, man, like it must have been my first steps or something.

• 16:11Speaker 04

  Oh, well, you did take your first steps on that, yeah.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Gosh, you're set from a baby.

• 16:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, circus, circus life.

• 16:18Speaker 02

  You couldn't ever be anything but an actor.

• 16:19Speaker 03

  I mean, there's probably sort of, yeah, I was, so I, well, yeah, I was, I played professional hockey for a few years. I stopped when I was twenty-three, twenty-four.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Ice hockey or?

• 16:31Speaker 03

  Ice hockey.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  Not field hockey. Field hockey's not hockey, sorry.

• 16:37Speaker 03

  I know field hockey's very popular, so I don't want to offend anybody, but.

• 16:40Jessie Ware?

  Carry on.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  But ice hockey was my game. And, yeah, I played in Canada and the United States.

• 16:46Jessie Ware?

  Which is like the top place to probably play, right?

• 16:48Speaker 04

  Played in Europe too.

• 16:50Jessie Ware?

  I'm just going by heated rivalries, so I'm just going with like Montreal and, you know.

• 16:54Speaker 03

  No, Russia and Sweden, Czech Republic, like all of these countries, they have like very vibrant hockey cultures, Finland, Sweden, very like international sport, at least, you know, Scandinavian-ly international. And, but in Canada, it's a religion. And so when I was fifteen, where you went at that time, now there's more places to go, but where you went at that time, you really did kind of have to move to Canada to play if you wanted to further your career. And I was good at it. And that was what I wanted to be since I was five years old.

• 17:25Jessie Ware?

  So being on the sets was not like

• 17:27Speaker 03

  It was fun.

• 17:28Jessie Ware?

  It was fun, but you were like, I'm at mum and dad's work. It was like the office.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, it was fun. I mean, it was like, it was, it was a really fun experience to drive a golf cart around and, you know, drive the actors to set and wander around the back lot.

• 17:43Jessie Ware?

  Snacks were good, I'm sure.

• 17:45Speaker 03

  Snacks were amazing. Cheeseburgers on demand, you know, like it was, it was fun.

• 17:50Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  Uh, but I didn't see the acting part and be like, I want to do that. I have no desire to be in the spotlight. You know, that's not, I

• 17:58Jessie Ware?

  How's that working out for you, Mike?

• 18:00Speaker 03

  Uh, pretty good because it's more, honestly, the better things get, the less I have to be in the spotlight. Meaning I can just do the, I can just do the, like, I don't have social media or anything.

• 18:10Jessie Ware?

  Lucky you.

• 18:11Speaker 03

  I just don't care about it. It wasn't for me.

• 18:15Speaker 03

  Because I, I just like doing the thing that I, I do. I like playing hockey and being a hockey player, but anything outside of that, it was like, I didn't care to portray myself as anything other than what I was doing. The same thing with acting where I got a lot of pressure in the beginning, you know, you gotta do it, you gotta do it, you gotta do it. And every time I wouldn't, it would be like, I don't know, I got that job. I'm like, I didn't seem to care, you know, nobody, nobody really gives a fuck. Sometimes it can hurt you more than it helps. And for me, it just didn't, it didn't make sense to do. And meaning, I, I just did it the way I really felt like I wanted to do it, especially after hockey, you get very micromanaged by coaches and

• 18:56Speaker 03

  the process of that felt micromanaging. So when I went into, went into film, uh, after I got hurt, it was like, well, I'm doing this my way or, or no way.

• 19:04Jessie Ware?

  What was the first job that you got?

• 19:07Speaker 03

  Uh, the first job that I really got, that I auditioned for, I was like, okay, I'm going to try this out, was, uh, a movie called Cowboys and Aliens, where like, you, you blink and you miss me. But I, I got that and I got A Law and Order.

• 19:25Jessie Ware?

  Okay. Well, that's kind of a rite of passage, isn't it?

• 19:27Speaker 03

  And I was pumped. I was like, oh my god. This is awesome. Like in a Cowie movie on the lawn or like this is gonna be great.

• 19:33Jessie Ware?

  What was your character in Law and Order?

• 19:35Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't remember his name, but he was uh, in a, he was in an in over his head kid from like Seattle. Who was in a bling ring that was Lindsay Lohan's mom got robbed or something.

• 19:47Jessie Ware?

  Yes, I remember there was a Netflix show called Bling Ring wasn't like.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, so that was that was based on, you know, so I was the, yeah, I was the prequel to the bling ring. And I, I steals her jewelry and I get shot and I like had to be dead for two days on the ground, you know? It was very, it was like this hilarious, you know, kind of cheesy role. But I was like, I'm gonna make this as good as I possibly can. And then I got uh, this Cowboys and Indians movie I could play in them, you know? It was awesome. And then two years of nothing. I was like, oh my God, this is not gonna work out for me. And then I got something else that changed my, my life, but that, that was, those are the first two things that I really worked on and tried out for. And uh, and got. And it was interesting because it, what, what made me be like, this is an amazing industry.

• 20:35Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  I didn't, I wouldn't say I fell in love with acting. You gotta understand that you're looking at, when you grow up and you see the other side of it.

• 20:43Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  And you were like I was as a human being. It's not everybody. My sister wasn't this way, you know, that's why she's my sister. And I'm not.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  And uh, but I didn't like what I saw. I didn't enjoy some of the things that I saw. I didn't like not going to, well, I didn't like being able to go to hockey games with my dad and, and have it be like.

• 21:06Jessie Ware?

  Share him, the kind of all.

• 21:07Speaker 03

  I just wanted to go to the hockey game with my dad. You know, I, I didn't, you know, some of the people that, that I met, even at five years old, some people you'd be like, I don't know, you're, you don't feel like an honest person. I just didn't like being around it. Uh, so I didn't take to it the same, same way that people would think. So coming back around to it, uh, that, you know, it really was, uh, I'm gonna do it my way. And I realized that, oh, well, as I'm getting older, uh, that I really was sort of just. Cutting my nose off despite my face at times, you know, like, well, I do like this. I do enjoy the creative aspect of it. Thank, thank you. Learned to be, you know, but I didn't, I didn't start off going, oh, man, like,

• 21:51Speaker 03

  this is amazing. Like, you know, the, the work, the incredible. I just sort of looked at the other side of it and said, well, I don't know if I want to live my life like that. And I've, I've been able to skirt most of it. Now I have my own kids and we do things our own way, but you know.

• 22:07Jessie Ware?

  How's that for you and your kids? I mean, because you must have people coming up to you when you're out, right? Or is it that people quite respectful? Or do you think, because you're not on social media, it helps?

• 22:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I do. I think that people aren't.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  Cheers, darling.

• 22:18Speaker 03

  Cheers.

• 22:19Jessie Ware?

  Cheers.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  Thanks for having us in here.

• 22:20Jessie Ware?

  Being here.

• 22:21Speaker 02

  And to the success of the new monarchs.

• 22:24Jessie Ware?

  Legacy of monsters.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Legacy of monsters, yeah.

• 22:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I, I don't think, um, I do think that. I do think that people know that I'm not, or they don't see me every day, or, you know, and I think that they're more respectful of coming up. And I probably don't, I don't give off a vibe of like, hey, you know, I usually have a huge beard and long hair and, you know.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  Do you?

• 22:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:46Speaker 02

  I thought you were quite slick. Very scientistly.

• 22:49Speaker 03

  Playing a part. Playing a part.

• 22:52Speaker 04

  Why is it a scientist? I like that.

• 22:56Speaker 03

  But yeah.

• 22:56Jessie Ware?

  Can, let's talk about the Apple show. You're in your second season. Congratulations.

• 23:01Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 23:01Jessie Ware?

  It's high budget. Like, it looks very, I mean, there's moths, kongs coming at you, Godzilla, fucking raptors, like, like, it's big.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  But you need to explain it for a 74 year old woman. Exactly.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  I'm so glad to hear you.

• 23:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, totally.

• 23:18Speaker 03

  I've got a few weeks of being 74 myself before I turn 75. So here's to that.

• 23:24Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  You guys are not in slithered in there.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, you wait.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a, it is big. It is epic. I mean, this was one of the things that Wyatt and I looked at before we joined, before we joined in the process of making the show in the first year. We, we, uh, we didn't, neither one of us really sparked the idea of the movies. Um, they sort of, they have their own niche and they are what they are, but we looked at it and said, you know, what about that? But then we read what they, and heard what they wanted, spoke with them, they want, what they wanted to do. And we felt that in that regard, we could bring something to that show that would be very strong. And that was to be, play the same character.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:09Speaker 04

  In something that grounded it in, in, in relatable, human aspects. These are real people having to deal with a real situation, which is a simple sci-fi idea of what if this really happened? It wasn't just a monster MMA fight that, that these people are having to deal with this.

• 24:29Speaker 02

  What's an MMA fight?

• 24:31Jessie Ware?

  It's like.

• 24:32Speaker 03

  Like, like, like, like boxing and kickboxing.

• 24:35Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, like where it's like gloves on.

• 24:37Speaker 03

  On a very large level.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Okay. What does MMA stand for then?

• 24:40Speaker 04

  Mixed martial, mixed martial arts.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 24:44Jessie Ware?

  Do you do that in your spare time too?

• 24:45Speaker 04

  God, no.

• 24:46Jessie Ware?

  Not yet.

• 24:46Speaker 03

  I used to take karate.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  So you're good with that big spider?

• 24:53Speaker 04

  Uh, no, I, you know, yeah. My dad did a movie called Tarantula. No, when it comes to big spiders, that's his world in Australia.

• 25:01Speaker 03

  Oh, God. So we were in Australia, shooting. Oh, yeah. We were, so I was like.

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 25:07Speaker 03

  Such a wuss, um, when it comes to spiders and snakes. I do not like them. Uh, but.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  Do I mind that?

• 25:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, we together share some sort of DNA past, past thing that links us to spiders are bad, snakes are bad. And my, my son, we were sleeping in bed and my son wakes up and I'm kind of waking up too. And my son just looks up and he's, he's four at the time and he goes. Wow, it's a really big spider. And I was like, what? And he's like, it's a really big spider. And he looked over and the spider was the size of my head.

• 25:40Jessie Ware?

  Oh, no, no.

• 25:41Speaker 03

  Just sitting on the wall. And I was like, whoa, that's, that is a big spider.

• 25:46Jessie Ware?

  And you're trying to be calm for your kids so they don't inherit the gene.

• 25:50Speaker 03

  No, but except I'm like, dude, we gotta, uh, figure this out. And he's like, no, it's fine. And I was like, what do you mean it's fun? And then that night it didn't move. That was the other thing. It just stood there all day.

• 26:01Jessie Ware?

  Hold on, you didn't get someone to take it out?

• 26:03Speaker 03

  This spider's bigger than my hand.

• 26:04Jessie Ware?

  Why didn't you get someone to take it out?

• 26:06Speaker 03

  There's no point in it, you'll be back the next day. I mean, like, I know, I was.

• 26:09Jessie Ware?

  How did he get in?

• 26:10Speaker 03

  So I got in through the like cracks. I don't know. Apparently they can make themselves real flat. I, I got a bowl and like a stick and like tied the stick. That's how big it was. You had to get a bowl. It wasn't a cup like this wouldn't fit over the spider. You had to get something like bigger than this.

• 26:25Jessie Ware?

  I'd move room.

• 26:26Speaker 03

  So I did.

• 26:27Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  And I was like, buddy, that night spider was still there and had moved to another wall. And I was like, bud, we're not sleeping in this bedroom tonight. And he's like, no, I want to sleep in, in this bed. And I'm like, we're sleeping downstairs. This isn't going to work. And he's like, you can sleep downstairs. And I was like, so you're going to sleep up here alone with the spider? And he was like, yeah.

• 26:49Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 26:49Speaker 03

  He's like, and I was like, he's like, he won't, he's not going to do anything. The spider's not going to do anything. And I was like, how do you know? I was like, what if it crawls over your head in the middle of the night? And he was like, yeah.

• 26:59Jessie Ware?

  He's sounding like the adult in this.

• 27:01Speaker 03

  A hundred percent. So then we fall asleep and when he fell asleep, I picked him up.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  And I was like, fuck that. We're not sleeping in this room, dude. Like, I don't care what you say.

• 27:14Jessie Ware?

  Did you identify the species of this spider? Was it huntsmen?

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:20Speaker 03

  Way to go.

• 27:22Jessie Ware?

  No, that's the killer one that you don't want.

• 27:25Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no. So huntsmen, huntsmen actually do not, are not as poisonous as people think.

• 27:31Jessie Ware?

  Why do they call huntsmen then?

• 27:33Speaker 03

  Because they hunt, uh, bugs. They're very good bug eaters and they're actually very good to have in the house. I learned all of this afterwards. They're not little child eaters. There are those two.

• 27:42Jessie Ware?

  We all watched arachnophobia when we were younger. Didn't we? It fucked us all up.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Arachnophobia.

• 27:46Jessie Ware?

  Do you remember that?

• 27:47Speaker 03

  No, no, but I woke up this morning. I had this crazy dream. I won't go into it, but it was hysterically funny.

• 27:52Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that's good.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  And in the dream, I was trying to get the word arachnophobia.

• 27:56Jessie Ware?

  You're welcome, Pat. There you go.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  Very much.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  Amazing.

• 28:03Jessie Ware?

  Great.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  So you'd be good on this film, fighting the spiders.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, unfortunately, I don't think I meet any spiders, but I, but yeah.

• 28:13Jessie Ware?

  Do, you, you never do any scenes together, obviously, right? Because you're in different times. You're in the 50s, post-war, and you're kind of 2015, 16.

• 28:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 28:22Jessie Ware?

  So never were you in scenes together, but you were both playing the same part. Did you go back? Because you were living together, I believe, whilst you were filming.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  In the second season, we lived together.

• 28:32Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  Talk to him about what he, what his choice of meal was in Australia.

• 28:36Jessie Ware?

  What was your choice of meal in Australia?

• 28:38Speaker 03

  This is.

• 28:42Speaker 04

  You know, when you live with Goldie, you eat well.

• 28:46Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 28:47Speaker 04

  Really well.

• 28:47Jessie Ware?

  She's just the dream woman.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's fantastic. She's a great, great, well, she's my favorite human being that I ever knew.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  And when you go away and you're gonna go, you know, kind of live the bachelor life, you live the bachelor life, which means you go to the store, you get about 50 of those, ready to, ready to cook, ready to, you know, just put them in the oven things, put them in the microwave. It's ready to make and, and they're, I don't, I have different minds.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  Usually your agent comes into town.

• 29:17Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  And they're like, what restaurant do you want to go to?

• 29:21Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Where, like, the, like, how much money can I spend on you?

• 29:25Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  Basically, because the agency's paying for it.

• 29:28Jessie Ware?

  And like, Australia's great for food, too.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  And, and, well, where we were was, was good. I want to put it down. I had some good restaurants. But it wasn't a plethora of amazing restaurants, right? So my, our agent, we shared the same agent, he walks up to the apartment and he's like, where do you guys want to go? And we both didn't really want to go out. And so we're like, oh, I'll just stay here. And he's like, okay. I was like, would you want to order food? And he was like, nah, I got these, uh, these, uh, ready to eat meals. And so myself, my dad and my agent all had like, one was like spaghetti bolognese, you know, in a film. And we were like, my agent was like, this is the craziest thing meal I've ever had with a client.

• 30:08Speaker 04

  That's funny. I've never heard this story. I never even thought about it. And it's like, I didn't, I was like, when I'm, when I'm on my own, it's just whatever, you know, peanut butter and jelly is, it's we're gonna go.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  He's the simplest, easiest. As we said, we're the cheapest eight in town. And you said that last night, but it's true. Like it's as simple and easy as you can keep it. It's better for everybody.

• 30:28Jessie Ware?

  But when you get home, what are you asking Goldie to cook? And what are you asking, can Meredith cook?

• 30:33Speaker 04

  Meredith is an unbelievable chef. She, she's like follows all the, you know, Odelengi, Odelengi.

• 30:39Jessie Ware?

  Odelengi, yeah.

• 30:40Speaker 04

  Uh, Alison Roman is a huge.

• 30:42Jessie Ware?

  We love Alison.

• 30:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's amazing. They like have a relationship on Instagram. Like, you know, she, Meredith is like, well, she'll do the thing where on a Sunday she will take out all of her cookbooks. The, the kitchen looks like a bomb has went off. I, that is her hat. I don't, I just walk by it and be like, there it is. Like, you know, it's looks awesome. And it's gonna be amazing. And she'll cook new amazing things. Like, she's unbelievable.

• 31:07Jessie Ware?

  Amazing.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  This.

• 31:09Jessie Ware?

  So.

• 31:09Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 31:10Jessie Ware?

  Croissants with also.

• 31:11Speaker 04

  This looks very, very, very good.

• 31:13Jessie Ware?

  So what would you be asking Goldie to cook?

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Uh, I never asked her to, you know, it's like, she just does it when she, you know, she, she used to cook all meals. I mean, all meals. The kids, the grandkids, everybody loves it when Goldie cooks. Cause she's, thank you. Goldie's really interesting. She, she has this strange ability.

• 31:32Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 31:32Speaker 04

  Well, I guess for you guys, it's not strange. She can go into the cupboard.

• 31:37Jessie Ware?

  That's garlic mayonnaise.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  And whatever she finds in there and whatever was in the freezer, she can just make, she just makes a meal and it's a meal.

• 31:46Jessie Ware?

  No, I can't do that.

• 31:47Speaker 04

  Like, you know, it's just crazy. I, I, you know, but like I said, she's a great game chef.

• 31:52Jessie Ware?

  Games?

• 31:53Speaker 04

  I like to hunt. I like to hunt. So, and I especially like elk, elk and deer mostly, but, but I also used to hunt birds a lot, different birds, right? And whatever I'd go bird hunting and come back, she, she, like, for instance, she makes a fabulous pheasant stew. It, it's home cooking, but it's, it's really good. I mean, it's just excellent. She just, she knows what she's doing. She knows. Well, she knows what spices to use.

• 32:20Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 32:20Speaker 04

  And she knows where she wants to go with it. And she can figure anything out. And she just whips it up. Mmm. Don't talk about this for a minute. This is so good.

• 32:29Jessie Ware?

  Is it nice?

• 32:30Speaker 04

  Oh, it's very, really nice. What's your, what's going on here?

• 32:34Speaker 02

  So it's also pasta with some dried tomatoes and some chili, some paprika and just prawns.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  We were just saying.

• 32:43Jessie Ware?

  The aioli is really nice with that.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it is good.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  As pairing it, guys.

• 32:47Jessie Ware?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:48Speaker 04

  Okay, so.

• 32:49Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, are we talking about wine now? Can we go to go Gogi?

• 32:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, we can finish up with some Lake Hour talk.

• 32:56Jessie Ware?

  We're gonna talk about.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  I think it's time to talk a little wine.

• 32:58Jessie Ware?

  Cheers, let's talk about wine.

• 32:59Speaker 04

  This is, uh.

• 33:00Jessie Ware?

  Fine wine.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  This is, it's all, wine's all about pairing. I don't really care for wine alone.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Oh, don't you?

• 33:06Speaker 04

  I mean, you can drink it alone and all that, but for me, it's all about, it's all about with food.

• 33:10Speaker 02

  I know, it's one of my strong points, drinking wine on its own.

• 33:14Speaker 04

  I mean, listen, when you fall in love with wine, you're gonna do that, but like, I'd rather have this.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:20Speaker 04

  With this.

• 33:20Jessie Ware?

  But you, you wanted to really learn the craft of making wine.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  I was in a situation where I, I, Fess Parker, Daniel Boone, I'd done a few Daniel Boones when I was young and he and my mom remained friends with Fess. He went into wine and years later, we went up there to see him at his vineyard.

• 33:41Jessie Ware?

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:42Speaker 04

  And it was just so appealing.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  And all of a sudden, after a couple of bicycle trips, I nearly choked myself right there today. I would have been, that would have been, have anybody die on this show?

• 33:58Jessie Ware?

  I would have done a hindlet.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  It was going so well. Um, and we went on these bicycle trips, Goldie and I, kids sometimes went and, and she said, uh, one year, where do you wanna go this year? I said, I'd kinda like to go back to that Burgundy area. And she said, wine? And I said, I just think it's really pretty and it's really nice. I'd like to go back there. She said, I think you like the wine. And I said, yeah, you're right. I, I do like the wine there. So we, we did go back and.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  I really did start getting focused on this wine.

• 34:32Jessie Ware?

  Uh huh.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  And it just happened to me. I just said, man, it'd be fun to make that. It'd be fun to know how to do that.

• 34:39Jessie Ware?

  Crikey.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  And I wonder if there's any way to learn that. Well, years later, the opportunity did arise. And I was doing a picture, a Tarantino picture, and we were in the San Ynez slash Santa Rita Hills area.

• 34:54Jessie Ware?

  Where is that?

• 34:55Speaker 04

  Of central California.

• 34:56Jessie Ware?

  Okay, right.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  About two and a half hours north of LA, forty-five minutes north of Santa Barbara.

• 35:02Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 35:03Speaker 04

  And I, when I wasn't working, I would go wine tasting. And I noticed something, and Pinot Noir was my thing. I loved this Pinot. I didn't, I learned that. I didn't know that. I didn't know what Pinot Noir was. I didn't know red from blue. And I, I started to kind of notice something about the wines in the area. It was, it was, it was, reminded me a little bit of, of what we did in France. And then I was introduced to some people. Peter and Rebecca work at Emples Vineyards, and they had, they had their vineyard there. Through another friend, I met them.

• 35:40Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  And I had expressed to this friend that I'd love to learn to make that wine night that I liked so much in France. And after meeting them, they gave me the opportunity to create what wasn't really being done much in California, which is the California Pinot Grape. Is a fuller, it's just fuller in, in, in terms of its, of its taste, in terms of what it can give you. Than the Pinot Noir, than the Pinot Grape in France.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  Why'd you think that is?

• 36:17Speaker 04

  It's weather.

• 36:18Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 36:19Speaker 04

  And probably terroir, but weather. The terroir is not that different, but the weather pattern is. And anyway, they, they mentored me. And I was at a time in my life, working wise, where I just honestly didn't care about working that much. And I wanted to learn something new and I wanted and I got into that for about four years. I spent a lot of time up there and learned how to make the Burgundian style. I find that's the only one I really do enjoy without a meal.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  And is the color still quite light on yours? You can see through it?

• 36:49Speaker 04

  No, it's it's it's a it has a it's again, it's not as it's not as dark

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:56Speaker 04

  As the California Pinots generally are.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  It's it has a nice tint to it.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:02Speaker 04

  Around the edge, right?

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  Around this edge, but it's a beautiful, nice, medium purple color.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  The most important thing with Pinot Noir for me is that your nose matches your taste buds.

• 37:18Speaker 02

  Okay. Do you drink anything but Pinot?

• 37:20Speaker 04

  Not really, not really.

• 37:21Jessie Ware?

  Do you do a white Burgundy?

• 37:23Speaker 04

  I love white, right?

• 37:24Jessie Ware?

  Me too, I love white Burgundy.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  I make Goldie, I make, okay, my Pinots each year are named as Gogi, Gogi Wine is the name of my brand.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  That's my old nickname of mine.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:33Speaker 04

  All, every year, it's named after a different family member, all the way back through my sisters' families and everything. So they all had nicknames. So they they each year that changes, but the Chardonnay is always called Goldie.

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  And it's like, it's I make that Chardonnay to match her Essence. Essence, thank you.

• 38:01Jessie Ware?

  My god, when you met your wife, you must have had to be like, wow, I've got like, she has to live up to a lot because my mom and dad have got like

• 38:10Speaker 02

  The best relationship.

• 38:11Jessie Ware?

  See, it must have

• 38:12Speaker 04

  No, no. Nah, I'm not like that. No, when we met.

• 38:18Jessie Ware?

  How did you meet?

• 38:19Speaker 04

  Doing a movie together.

• 38:20Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  We were raised always like our house, as much as people probably were like, well, it's perfect. Like, it's just nor it's just like every other family, but we deal with just anything that comes our way has always just been dealt with. I think head on and in a realistic way, like you face the reality of the situations.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  That's what's kept us together and strong and all those things. And so when I met my wife, I never had an expectation of anybody that I was ever with to be like my mom.

• 38:50Jessie Ware?

  It's a bit idyllic, isn't it?

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, my mom, my mom was always, you know, extremely independent is obviously an extremely independent person. But family comes first, even, you know, she would have the ability to balance those things. An incredible ability to balance those things when that can be very difficult. As I know with my wife can, you know, she, Meredith loves being a mom more than anything on planet earth. There's nothing more important and we make sure that our kids know that. Work is second to the kids. Now, there's some times where you have to sacrifice a little bit and push, pull here and the other one's got to pick one up. But they were always a really good team independently of each other. Meaning this person needed to do this thing, they went and did it.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  This person needed to do this thing, they went and did it. And, you know, they, they supported each other in their like, in their things that I really need to do this. He wanted to fly airplanes and that's a dangerous thing. She supported him, he went off and did it. Uh, my mom still travels the world and does speaking engagements and does her um incredible foundation that she's had for 25 years. You know, so the independence of the person that I was with was very important. And Meredith has that, she's has this ability to be the world's greatest mom. It's all she wants to do, but also this like very independent streak of wanting her to, to be herself. Not lose herself to other things, whether it be work, lose yourself to your family.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  You can lose yourself to lots of things, which is, that's really the only thing I really cared about in a partner. Cause I knew that like that, when you have that kind of thing and then you can be good teammates, you, you got, you know, you got a good shot. So that's, that's really, I think with my mom, my sister, they're strong women and they do things the way they do them. But, you know, family is, that's for me, it's all that matters at the end of the day, really.

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• 41:22Jessie Ware?

  Mum, mum, what have you got here?

• 41:24Speaker 02

  I don't know what this is. So it's New York Times and it's a chocolate and whiskey cake. Ooh. Oh, you see, you're excited. Yeah, let's see.

• 41:34Jessie Ware?

  But you haven't made it before, but it looks, it looks kind of like a tiramisu, doesn't it?

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it does. But it isn't.

• 41:39Jessie Ware?

  Oh, it's got like a caramel.

• 41:40Speaker 04

  That's where I'd make me, I don't have my glasses on, but that looked like tiramisu.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 41:45Speaker 04

  Are you like a baker or do you just?

• 41:47Speaker 02

  I'm not anything really, Johnny.

• 41:48Jessie Ware?

  No, she's a great cook.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  Katie loves to bake. Did you guys talk baking with Katie?

• 41:52Speaker 02

  We did talk baking, didn't we?

• 41:53Speaker 04

  She really likes, she loves to bake.

• 41:55Speaker 03

  She is an unbelievable baker.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  She's a good baker.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  Oliver won, uh?

• 41:58Speaker 04

  Oh, wait a minute, excuse me. Yeah, we have a champ in the family.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  By the way, the best chef in our family?

• 42:03Speaker 04

  Oliver.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Oliver.

• 42:04Jessie Ware?

  Okay, Oliver.

• 42:05Speaker 04

  He's an outdoor cooking genius.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  He's like.

• 42:07Jessie Ware?

  He's inherited your family?

• 42:09Speaker 04

  Well, he, he didn't inherit it because he didn't come from me.

• 42:12Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 42:13Speaker 04

  David Gold and Bill.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Do you want ice cream or fresh cream?

• 42:16Speaker 04

  That guy's good, I mean, no.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  Fresh cream. He's like, I wish he'd opened a place.

• 42:19Speaker 02

  Really?

• 42:20Speaker 03

  Oh, no, he's that good.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  Like, tell me about.

• 42:23Speaker 03

  He had a tomahawk steak that was given to him by a company. And he was like, I'm cooking this tonight. You guys want to come over and eat it? We were like, yeah. He cooked it, I swear to God, to this day, I swear on my life, that it was the best steak I've ever had in my life.

• 42:37Speaker 04

  And, and, and when it comes to Smash Burger? He owns, he owns the state.

• 42:43Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 42:44Speaker 04

  But but he's just like. Um, little, go ahead and be a little, yeah, yeah.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  Um, no, Oliver has talent.

• 42:55Jessie Ware?

  So listen, we we ask everybody their last supper and you do not have to combine, but if you're going on a desert island for a very, very, very long time, what would be your starter, your main, your dessert and your drink of choice? I know what your drink of choice is both, both of them. We need to talk about late hour in a minute.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  Barata.

• 43:12Jessie Ware?

  Barata, okay.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, are you thinking or do you know?

• 43:15Speaker 03

  I kind of know, cause I just had this conversation with Buddy.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  But with barata?

• 43:19Jessie Ware?

  With your four, with your five year old, four year old, five year old.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Five year old, I was like, bud, you know, desert island, what do you want?

• 43:25Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  He wanted a hamburger. I would go barata.

• 43:30Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  I'd go bolognese, like a really good bolognese.

• 43:36Jessie Ware?

  We're not going the, what do you call it, the American chop?

• 43:39Speaker 03

  American, no, I can't do that forever.

• 43:41Jessie Ware?

  Right.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  Uh, but I could do, it's always, I mean, cheeseburger.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Mmm.

• 43:46Speaker 03

  It's tough to go, but I think I'd go, I think I'd go.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  You can just taste the whiskey. It's just coca, but it's.

• 43:52Jessie Ware?

  Bouncy mum.

• 43:53Speaker 02

  It's milk and whiskey.

• 43:54Jessie Ware?

  Okay, so we got bolognese, barata. Drink of choice?

• 43:58Speaker 03

  A drink of choice would be iced tea, unsweetened iced tea. It's like, gives me a little pick me up, it's got a taste.

• 44:04Jessie Ware?

  You can't really get it here.

• 44:05Speaker 03

  A little hydrating. You can't get iced tea here?

• 44:08Jessie Ware?

  I don't feel like it's such a thing as like in America.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  That's insane.

• 44:11Jessie Ware?

  Well, I'm sure you could ask it, it'll taste like shit.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  It's never really that hot that you need an iced tea.

• 44:15Jessie Ware?

  I do like an Arnold Palmer.

• 44:17Speaker 03

  Arnold Palmer's are good.

• 44:18Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, on the right day.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  Yes, that would be another, I mean, we're on desert island.

• 44:22Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 44:23Speaker 03

  So I I used to hear Arnold Palmer's a good one. I might switch to Arnold Palmer.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  But it's your, is this, I, you first started off with last supper.

• 44:32Jessie Ware?

  Yeah. Yeah, it's last supper.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Desert matters or is it, are we, are we on death row?

• 44:38Jessie Ware?

  Well, I mean, so we used to call it death row meal and then people got really offended.

• 44:41Speaker 04

  No, no, that's, that's what it is.

• 44:44Jessie Ware?

  Last supper before you go to, uh, okay, you're going death row. And then, Pudding, what do you go? Oh, is it different?

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause I have to, yeah.

• 44:53Jessie Ware?

  Oh, okay.

• 44:53Speaker 03

  Well, if it's last meal.

• 44:55Jessie Ware?

  Yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 03

  Then I would definitely do barata.

• 44:58Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, okay, well, okay.

• 44:59Speaker 03

  I would do, uh, and I would do a, like, an amazingly, honestly, the steak my brother cooked, if I could bring that back that day, I would have that. And then a drink and still.

• 45:12Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 45:14Jessie Ware?

  Before we go and then put, put a dessert.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  And for dessert, I have a milkshake, chocolate milkshake.

• 45:19Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, where from? Homemade or a place?

• 45:24Speaker 03

  No, I'd have it from like a, like a true diner, like a, like a.

• 45:30Jessie Ware?

  Malt, is malt gonna be in there?

• 45:32Speaker 03

  No malt.

• 45:33Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Just try, just straight up milkshake.

• 45:35Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 45:38Jessie Ware?

  And before we go on to Kurt's, let's talk about Lake Hour. It's a sparkling cocktail drink.

• 45:45Speaker 04

  Lake Hour. Lake Hour is good. So.

• 45:47Jessie Ware?

  What cocktails do you do?

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  We do, uh, so we have, we have vodka iced teas.

• 45:53Jessie Ware?

  Oh.

• 45:53Speaker 03

  Blackberry, blueberry.

• 45:54Jessie Ware?

  That sounds great. Kind of Long Island iced tea kind of thing?

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, but, but, but they're, the whole point, I don't know, I don't know how big they are here in the UK.

• 46:02Jessie Ware?

  What?

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Um, pre-mixed drinks, so like.

• 46:04Jessie Ware?

  Oh, they're massive.

• 46:04Speaker 03

  Okay, so we have the iced teas and then we have a seltzer version, which is a low carbonated. It's not like super carbonated. We have a watermelon flavor. We have a yuzu flavor. We have a peach flavor and a, a new one, passion fruit tangerine.

• 46:19Jessie Ware?

  Hmm.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  They're, they're, they're really, really, really good.

• 46:21Jessie Ware?

  Like La Croix is very big in America. Everyone has it in their fridges, don't they? Like, so that with a bit of booze in, sounds kind of fab.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  It's honestly, it's exactly sort of what it's like.

• 46:31Jessie Ware?

  Um, now to your last supper, Kurt.

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Okay, um, I'm gonna have a bowl of a Spargis soup from Munich, Germany. There's the restaurant, can't remember the name of it, couldn't find it last two times I was there.

• 46:46Jessie Ware?

  Oh, that's so annoying.

• 46:46Speaker 04

  Panicking because I can't find it. It's, it's, but it was, it was, it was like half air, half mist.

• 46:55Jessie Ware?

  Was it like a velute? Was it kind of?

• 46:57Speaker 04

  I- in that zone. So Goldie and I had this, we said, this is the best bowl of soup I've ever had.

• 47:02Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  And then definitely elk tenderloin with, uh, corn on the cob or shaved off lots of butter.

• 47:14Speaker 04

  Baked potato with everything on it.

• 47:16Speaker 02

  Okay, what's everything on it?

• 47:18Speaker 04

  Oh, you know, sour cream, but first butter first, chives, sour, sour cream. Uh, salt and pepper, no salt, just pepper. You know what's great about sour baked potatoes is you can, you put creamed corn on them in there. Like, oh, that's great.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  Everything's great.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  You can't miss, right? So that, I, you know, probably. Uh, if I have a green in there, it's gonna be maybe roasted Brussels sprouts, maybe just done just right with again, a lot of butter. And then for dessert, I'm gonna have. A really a chocolate, a chocolate caramel strawberry sundae. With cream on top with, oh, and then, oh, and I get, sorry, I'm gonna have. With the meal.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:07Speaker 04

  To start with, I'm gonna have, uh. Probably one of the grand cru whites and then for the meal, I'm gonna have a.

• 48:15Speaker 02

  Pinot noir.

• 48:16Speaker 04

  A Riesborg.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  I'm gonna have a, I, I, I, it's either Latasha or Riesborg, but on my death, on my death row thing, I'm gonna have. A Riesborg.

• 48:26Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 48:26Speaker 04

  Riesborg is, is grand cru. It's my favorite pinot.

• 48:30Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:31Speaker 04

  Uh, it's.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  I didn't even know, I thought there was one pinot. I didn't know there was a whole lot of pinots around.

• 48:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  When you asked him what his favorite meal was, all I heard in my head was my brother. Because we, he goes hunting and he takes that, takes an elk like that, that'll.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  It's Oliver.

• 48:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, like that, well, he would go hunting, Oliver made the joke. And, and you fill your fridge for the year, uh, sometimes seven, you know, you've got elk from two thousand thirteen in there. And Ollie, one day it was Matt and Luke and Ollie and I, and he was like on the chairlift. Going, we're skiing and it's like, uh, what do you, what'd you, what'd you have for breakfast? Go get cooked breakfast, what'd you have for breakfast? He was like, oh, we had elk, uh, elk heart and eggs.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Oh, Jesus.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  And then it was like, what'd you have for dinner? And it was like, oh, we had, we did elk tenderloin for dinner. I was like, what'd you have for lunch? It was like elk steak sandwiches and then all I go, all I goes, what'd you have for dinner? Elk ice cream.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  Like, there's, there's a, there's a world where you only have elk at your last, at your, at your final.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  That's the mouth to me, that's the finest meat on earth.

• 49:38Jessie Ware?

  Do you have like a condiment with that? Would you have like lin, lind, lingonberry?

• 49:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, lingonberries and all that stuff. Yeah, I know, I think it's sacrilege.

• 49:45Jessie Ware?

  What is that?

• 49:45Speaker 04

  Anything like that is sacrilege.

• 49:47Jessie Ware?

  It's like venison, isn't it?

• 49:47Speaker 04

  You just want, even, even certain rubs are sacrilege. With elk meat, you just want butter on, butter in your pan, heat it up slowly, but then get, then get it hot. You, you've got a nice tender loin, that's probably an inch and three quarters to two inches, right? And you, and, and it's been well taken care of. That's key.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  And zero fat on elk.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  It's all about how you take care of them.

• 50:10Speaker 02

  You're not sentimental about animals, then?

• 50:12Speaker 04

  Well, I thank them for their service. I, I, I, I, the shrimp were good.

• 50:23Speaker 04

  I didn't see him.

• 50:23Jessie Ware?

  You're making out that you're a fucking vegan.

• 50:25Speaker 02

  I'm not a vegan, but I don't think I could do a reindeer.

• 50:28Speaker 04

  No, no, by the way, there's no pleasure in the taking of life. There's great pleasure and honor in taking an animal that feeds you. And I respect that and honor that, and it means a big deal to me. And, you know, I, I, I make no apologies.

• 50:43Speaker 03

  And, and one of the things that, I live in Colorado now, you know, wilderness. One of the things that we've really forgot, especially my children, growing up. You, you see those things run through your backyard and you see all kinds of animals. They're beautiful. And they're, they're majestic. But then you go to the grocery store and it's like ninety percent of people are just in a pack. They don't know, they have no connection to food at all. And so it's very nice, you know, we were raised with it. To know like that thing that you took is gonna be on your dinner table.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Do you hunt as well?

• 51:17Speaker 03

  I've tried.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Well, he, he may get to it later in your life.

• 51:21Speaker 03

  I was always playing hockey during hunting season. We've gone bird hunting, I have gone on a hunt with him one time, elk hunting. And, but, but I could never do it because I was always playing hockey.

• 51:31Speaker 04

  Not something I push on anybody. I mean, it's not, it's not for everybody, but I like bringing down my own meat. It's, I grew up in that family.

• 51:38Jessie Ware?

  And please could you both give us a nostalgic taste that can transport you back somewhere?

• 51:43Speaker 04

  Ooh. A nostalgic taste, that would be easy for me.

• 51:47Jessie Ware?

  Okay.

• 51:48Speaker 04

  Again, if, if, if it were venison, I'd remember one of my, when I was a kid in Maine in the log cabin. Venison would be nice.

• 51:55Jessie Ware?

  With your grandfather?

• 51:56Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 51:57Speaker 03

  Hmm, I'm gonna stall. Oh, I know one.

• 51:59Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  A very specific Canadian cookie.

• 52:04Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 52:04Speaker 03

  President's Choice. That will take me right back to, uh, Muskoka Cottage, very much on the lake. Uh, like, uh, like him, where, uh, we'd had these jar of cookies on the counter. I don't even know what kind of cookies they were. I couldn't even tell you today.

• 52:20Speaker 04

  President's Choice was the best.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  It was the best.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  President's Choice.

• 52:23Speaker 03

  President's Choice. They sell it only in Canada and, and those cookies were so unbelievably good. And like, I, yes, I can, I can taste that cookie right now and I'm back in our kitchen.

• 52:35Speaker 04

  That's, yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  I thought you were going to poutine or something.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  I never had a taste for poutine.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  Me either that much.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. The gravy and the chip. Yeah.

• 52:43Speaker 04

  It's like, yeah.

• 52:44Speaker 03

  Everybody's so crazy about it. It's like, yeah.

• 52:46Speaker 04

  It's very Canadian.

• 52:47Jessie Ware?

  Kurt and Wyatt Russell, thank you so much for coming on.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  It's been so gorgeous. Thank you for coming, darling.

• 52:53Jessie Ware?

  Thank you.

• 52:54Speaker 04

  Awesome.

• 53:09Jessie Ware?

  Kurt Russell and Wyatt Russell, what a duo.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  Still a hearts robbed dress.

• 53:14Jessie Ware?

  God, they're so lovely.

• 53:16Speaker 02

  Just adorable.

• 53:18Jessie Ware?

  I think they had a really good time.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  I hope so.

• 53:21Jessie Ware?

  Kurt Russell and Wyatt Russell are in the second season of Monarch, The Legacy of Monsters. Um, and, uh, it's on Apple TV and you can watch it now and it's very compelling. They are very good in it.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Great.

• 53:35Jessie Ware?

  Food was really great.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  Was it?

• 53:36Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, they loved it.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  John Gregory Smith.

• 53:38Jessie Ware?

  Good old John Gregory Smith, the greatest trade book cook.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  He's the greatest because he's done it nearly every week.

• 53:44Jessie Ware?

  He keeps on giving. Um, thank you so much for watching and listening. We hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. That was a really good app.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:51Jessie Ware?

  I loved it. Great. I mean, you know.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  For a Monday at lunchtime.

• 53:55Jessie Ware?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 53:56Speaker 02

  What more would you want?

• 53:56Jessie Ware?

  Yeah, it was fabulous. So thank you.