Esai Morales | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher welcomes actor Esai Morales for a rapid-fire hangout that jumps from tequila and raw-food fitness to fatherhood and playing the villain in Mission: Impossible – The Final Reckoning. They swap Pacino impressions, riff on devil lore and dating, then spiral into AI and conspiracy theories. Subscribe to the Club Random YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/clubrandompodcast?sub_confirmation=1 Watch episodes ad-free – subscribe to Bill Maher’s Substack: https://billmaher.substack.com Subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you listen: ⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Support our Advertisers: -Get your summer savings and shop premium wireless plans at https://www.mintmobile.com/random -Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/random #rulapod #ad Buy Club Random Merch: https://clubrandom.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices ABOUT CLUB RANDOM Bill Maher rewrites the rules of podcasting the way he did in television in this series of one on one, hour long conversations with a wide variety of unexpected guests in the undisclosed location called Club Random. There’s a whole big world out there that isn’t about politics and Bill and his guests—from Bill Burr and Jerry Seinfeld to Jordan Peterson, Quentin Tarantino and Neil DeGrasse Tyson—talk about all of it. For advertising opportunities please email: [email protected] ABOUT BILL MAHER Bill Maher was the host of “Politically Incorrect” (Comedy Central, ABC) from 1993-2002, and for the last fourteen years on HBO’s “Real Time,” Maher’s combination of unflinching honesty and big laughs have garnered him 40 Emmy nominations. Maher won his first Emmy in 2014 as executive producer for the HBO series, “VICE.” In October of 2008, this same combination was on display in Maher’s uproarious and unprecedented swipe at organized religion, “Religulous.” Maher has written five bestsellers: “True Story,” “Does Anybody Have a Problem with That? Politically Incorrect’s Greatest Hits,” “When You Ride Alone, You Ride with Bin Laden,” “New Rules: Polite Musings from a Timid Observer,” and most recently, “The New New Rules: A Funny Look at How Everybody But Me Has Their Head Up Their Ass.” FOLLOW CLUB RANDOM https://www.clubrandom.com https://www.facebook.com/Club-Random-101776489118185 https://twitter.com/clubrandom_ https://www.instagram.com/clubrandompodcast https://www.tiktok.com/@clubrandompodcast FOLLOW BILL MAHER https://www.billmaher.com https://twitter.com/billmaher https://www.instagram.com/billmaher Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Bill Maher?

  Hey folks, change is coming to Club Random. Moving forward, we will be dropping new episodes on Mondays.

• 0:10Bill Maher?

  Who'd have thunk it? It was on Sundays, but starting next week, June 30th, you can start your week with me here on Club Random, as God intended, at the beginning of the week on Monday. Think of it like a good breakfast to kickstart your week. A good breakfast, good conversation, maybe a drink. At breakfast? Whatever, works for you, and a little puff. Wow. Hip audience, I got. Move over, Wheaties. Club Random is moving to Mondays, Mondays, starting June 30th.

• 0:42Speaker 01

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• 2:13Speaker 04

  When you're dead, you need to leave that to... Oh, you don't have... No. Never mind. Is this thing on?

• 2:23Speaker 04

  Not sound like a douchebag who's trying to be smart. You know, like...

• 2:26Bill Maher?

  No, you're a douchebag who is smart.

• 2:27Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 2:34Bill Maher?

  My normal intimate conversation with an old friend.

• 2:40Speaker 04

  Oh my god, I need my naps.

• 2:45Bill Maher?

  I just.

• 2:46Speaker 04

  I hate you.

• 2:47Bill Maher?

  I hate you. I just rushed from my studio, so I'm late, I'm so sorry.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  No, listen, I'm usually the late one, and so now.

• 2:57Bill Maher?

  But.

• 2:58Speaker 04

  I got my prayers in, I got my prayers.

• 3:00Bill Maher?

  We don't even usually do Friday taping, but I just wanted to see you so bad.

• 3:05Speaker 04

  It's brilliant.

• 3:05Bill Maher?

  You look the same.

• 3:06Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you, man, a little grayer, but hey, we wear it well, right?

• 3:11Bill Maher?

  No, you, you really aged well. I mean, it's amazing when you get up into these ages.

• 3:15Speaker 04

  Can you just say that on, on the air?

• 3:17Bill Maher?

  We are, we are on the air.

• 3:18Speaker 04

  I'm kidding, no, we're not.

• 3:19Bill Maher?

  Yeah, we are.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  I was teasing you.

• 3:22Bill Maher?

  But really, I mean, when you get into like over 50, people age very differently, really. I mean, some people look 112, and some people look.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  You want to know something?

• 3:35Bill Maher?

  Amazing, like as good as you can look, you, I don't know, you must eat well, but you, you always were very health conscious.

• 3:43Speaker 04

  And that's the thing, I, I, you know, at my, in my 30s, I did a photo shoot, and I wasn't as conscious as I should have been, and it, it didn't go well, and I was, I looked bloated, I looked like I was in my 50s, and I was like, okay, this is not bode well for a career, you know, unless you're gonna play that guy for the rest of your life.

• 4:02Bill Maher?

  Really? That doesn't sound like you.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  So I got into, no, I got, I got serious about like raw foods, you know, like health, like, there's something called the natural hygiene diet, which is like, you know, things meant for the human being and less processed.

• 4:17Bill Maher?

  But when I, when I used to hang around with you a lot, I mean, we were both bachelors, of course, you grew up, I did not.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  I, I, believe me, I wouldn't go that far, but okay, I'm still working on it.

• 4:27Bill Maher?

  I'm good. But, you know, we were out, and when you're out, you drink, and, but we were young, we could, our body could handle it, and, and we did.

• 4:36Speaker 04

  It's not my friend now, but I, I did agree. I did say, you know, because it's you, I will, I will do tequila with you.

• 4:43Bill Maher?

  Oh, great.

• 4:44Speaker 04

  Tequila.

• 4:45Bill Maher?

  I just had some.

• 4:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:46Bill Maher?

  Here.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  I'm gonna catch up with you.

• 4:48Bill Maher?

  Um, you should. You should. You have a great year. I saw your movie, the biggest movie ever, I guess. Full time.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  Action film in the world, the biggest action film in the world.

• 5:00Bill Maher?

  The biggest, well, isn't the Mission Impossible franchise the biggest?

• 5:03Speaker 04

  Probably.

• 5:04Bill Maher?

  Can't be. I mean, I can't imagine if you added them all together, anything may ever made more money than that. And you're a great bad guy, you say, I gotta say.

• 5:12Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 5:12Bill Maher?

  For somebody who I know is not a bad guy.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Just don't ruin my bad reputation.

• 5:16Bill Maher?

  I found you very.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  Is this thing on?

• 5:18Bill Maher?

  Yes, yeah, totally. I found you very convincing.

• 5:22Speaker 04

  Uh.

• 5:23Bill Maher?

  As an evil prick, uh, who was going to destroy the world and, uh.

• 5:31Bill Maher?

  You know, that's quite a feather in your cap because, you know, Rocky does not work without Mr. T. You have to have the, uh, you know, you could.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  You have to have the mountain to climb, right?

• 5:46Bill Maher?

  Well, you have to have the adversary who was equal to the hero.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  Formidable enough.

• 5:51Bill Maher?

  I mean, the, the original version of that is, of course, Paradise Lost. God has to fight the devil. I mean, as an atheist, I always said. If he's God and he's all powerful, I don't see why this is an issue. I don't see why it's, can he just eliminate the devil? I mean, plainly, he's not all powerful then.

• 6:12Speaker 04

  It's, I don't think it's that. It's so funny because we, we've been talking.

• 6:15Bill Maher?

  But isn't that the truth?

• 6:17Speaker 04

  But yes and no, because you have to think about the duality of, of nature, yin and yang, you know? It takes one to define the other oftentimes. Do you know what I mean? Like.

• 6:27Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but from a purely religion standpoint, if you're, uh, many religions believe in the devil.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 6:33Bill Maher?

  Some sort of devil.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 6:35Bill Maher?

  And.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  The adversary.

• 6:36Bill Maher?

  But God is always all powerful, but, you know, explain that to me. How God can be all powerful and still not be able to bring this guy, uh, down in the 14th round?

• 6:48Speaker 04

  I think that the. The game isn't over, number one.

• 6:53Bill Maher?

  The game isn't over.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, it isn't over.

• 6:55Bill Maher?

  Oh, I see.

• 6:56Speaker 04

  It's the things are still playing. I'm a person of faith, but I believe so much that it doesn't offend me when people don't. As a matter of fact, I respect an honest atheist a lot more than a full of it.

• 7:08Bill Maher?

  So you so you think there is a devil?

• 7:11Speaker 04

  I think that there is.

• 7:14Speaker 04

  I don't know if it's a person, but I think that there's malevolence.

• 7:17Bill Maher?

  But it might be James Corden.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  I'm kidding. That's so funny. I met him. He's a very sweet guy, you know, but the devil then again doesn't act, you know, like like the devil all the time, right? I mean, that's the key.

• 7:31Bill Maher?

  Well, that's the key about the devil. And, you know, I'm kidding about James. I mean, we had a little thing, but I don't have any animosity. But he would never be the devil. The devil's hot. The devil, I mean, you could be the devil. The devil's like you, because the devil has to be like super like baller. I mean, he's he's like Shaft.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  The angel of light, if you think about it.

• 7:53Bill Maher?

  He's the bad dick that all the chicks want, you know, and he.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  But why?

• 7:57Bill Maher?

  Because he has to, because that's how that's where his power comes from. He's a seducer. You can't be a seducer.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  I think the key is power, what you just said. I think nowadays financial security is is a big thing, you know. And it's still security.

• 8:12Bill Maher?

  Always. That's the modern version of creating a nest.

• 8:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:16Bill Maher?

  Creating a safe.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, a safe haven. But then men want to feel safe to do what, though? To then stop worrying about the other guy. Men want to be safe to be vulnerable too. And that's where it gets tricky, because often.

• 8:30Bill Maher?

  Safe to be vulnerable?

• 8:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think. I think some, not all.

• 8:34Bill Maher?

  I don't know what that means.

• 8:35Speaker 04

  Well, because think about it, you know, you don't want to come home to somebody else you got to fight with and argue and like have.

• 8:41Bill Maher?

  Oh, no.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  You want to come home to be nurtured, you know.

• 8:46Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 8:46Speaker 04

  To be kind of like what they call us oftentimes. We're little boys to them. Right? I mean, no matter what it is, you can be as manly as you want. But they view us as a little boy, especially if you if you if you're vulnerable at all.

• 8:58Bill Maher?

  Well, if they do, and that is a very prevalent thing. Absolutely. If you look at the way men are portrayed, certainly in American culture.

• 9:09Speaker 04

  Post Homer Simpson, dude. Post Love and Marriage, you know, post 90s, men are dorks, basically.

• 9:14Bill Maher?

  Dorks, exactly. They are the fourth child if she has three kids.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  But I think that's not by accident. That's by design.

• 9:21Bill Maher?

  And I don't think, it's not by accident. First of all, it gets laughs.

• 9:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:25Bill Maher?

  You know?

• 9:25Speaker 04

  It's a tired joke, but it's still.

• 9:27Bill Maher?

  It's a tired joke, but on the sitcom, it's always head up his ass dad. And it's part of the pandering to, look, I mean, everything has a reaction for too long. We were horrible to women. There's going to be a reaction and part of that reaction was, let's all pretend women are perfect and men are completely awful. We're always toxic.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  That pendulum swing.

• 9:49Bill Maher?

  The pendulum, exactly. The pendulum never stops in the middle. So it's part of that.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:53Bill Maher?

  I used to do a whole bit about like, like daytime show was all, shows were always what I called making women nod. Like you have, you have to be saying something on Oprah, one of those shows where women are going.

• 10:05Speaker 04

  You know who did, who was the master of that, who I miss, but you know, got canceled? Phil Donahue.

• 10:11Bill Maher?

  He, Phil could make women nod.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  Phil Donahue was the sensitive guy, but he always had a sense of fairness and that came to bite him back in the butt.

• 10:19Bill Maher?

  Another guy who could not play the devil, cause he not sexy. I mean, it's, it's nice. I'm sure women like that when a guy makes them nod, but he doesn't, that doesn't, that's not making them come. Making them nod and making them come are two very different things. In fact, if you're nodding when you're coming, that guy is not doing it right.

• 10:39Speaker 04

  I don't know how to react now because I got a 14 year old daughter now. Everything is like, oh God, is she gonna watch this?

• 10:44Bill Maher?

  Issa, you're making me feel so old. You were the guy I was out drinking at the clubs with and now you have a 14 year old?

• 10:51Speaker 04

  A 14 year old taller than me and like, you know, the, the, growing up and.

• 10:56Bill Maher?

  How long have you been married?

• 10:57Speaker 04

  I'm not.

• 11:00Bill Maher?

  That's what I love about you, Eze. Ah, perfect answer. You're not.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  I mean, no, no, I, you know.

• 11:05Bill Maher?

  Why would you be? You're the devil.

• 11:07Speaker 04

  Here's the thing. I don't think you have to go through the

• 11:12Bill Maher?

  You don't.

• 11:13Speaker 04

  The traditional route.

• 11:15Bill Maher?

  We sure don't.

• 11:16Speaker 04

  To take care of your family and to be dedicated to them and to make sure that the two most important, you know, or

• 11:21Bill Maher?

  Are you unmarried? Are you unmarried to the same person?

• 11:26Speaker 04

  I, you know, again, this is something I, you know, we need a whole nother podcast to cover.

• 11:31Bill Maher?

  Okay, then let's just leave that vague.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  But I am, I am.

• 11:34Bill Maher?

  Good. Let's all be vague. I want to be vague too.

• 11:37Speaker 04

  No, let me do this way.

• 11:38Bill Maher?

  No, you know what? Don't throw down, because I don't want to throw down. Let's just, let's just say we're both happy.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  But we want to, but we want to be

• 11:47Bill Maher?

  We're

• 11:47Speaker 04

  Interesting.

• 11:48Bill Maher?

  We're two unmarried doubles. That's it. That's all we are.

• 11:52Speaker 04

  I just know that I don't need a religious figure or a state to sanctify my union.

• 12:01Bill Maher?

  That's funny, when you ask, when you say that, because when people say to me, as they have over the years, "Why didn't you ever get married?" Like, you know, it's like a disease, like I got the This Is Us fucking fungal infection and I'm a crazy zombie. Why didn't, why didn't you ever get married? I always say, "Why would I invite the federal and state government into my love life? My love life? And the thing that is more mercurial than anything in our existence? I'm going to try to quantify that and governmentify that? I don't think so.

• 12:33Speaker 04

  It's bad business to, and one thing, by the way, for whoever is the main earner, it's just bad business. And the most unromantic thing to do is to ask somebody, "By the way, in case we don't do this, um, would you sign this piece of paper?" And they look at you like, "You piece of sh-" you know what I mean? Like, like, really?

• 12:51Bill Maher?

  If you, anytime you're asking a woman to sign a piece of paper, you're not making them nod or come. Nothing is that.

• 12:59Speaker 04

  They may not come back.

• 13:01Bill Maher?

  Exactly. It's just not a good

• 13:05Speaker 04

  But, but here's the thing. Nothing

• 13:10Speaker 04

  will stop me from learning or loving. And my motto in life is learn to love and love to learn. Do you know?

• 13:18Bill Maher?

  You made that up?

• 13:19Speaker 04

  Kind of.

• 13:19Bill Maher?

  Sounds like it had to be on somebody.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  It's pretty basic. No, but it's.

• 13:22Bill Maher?

  Sounds like it had to be on some T-shirt at Menace Boulevard.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  No, but somebody told me once, what, what do you, what advice to give to kids, you know, or people, you know, and I'm thinking, what's the most basic thing? Learn to love and love to learn. And I think that's the problem we have today.

• 13:36Bill Maher?

  I've been telling kids the wrong advice. I'm always telling them, stay out of school and get into drugs. Is that wrong?

• 13:42Speaker 04

  You know what? If you think about medicinal mushrooms, it is amazing that it heals the brain and it actually helps repair and re- and like re- regrow brain neural pathways that we didn't have before. So mushrooms and certain psychedelic drugs, I think are illegal because they grow consciousness. But it's how you use them. It's like fire. Fire could burn or it could heal. It could, you know, warm. It could cook. Water could drown you or it could save your life. So I believe in the nuance of things. I, I do, I'm a big advocate of weed, but I don't smoke anymore because I.

• 14:21Bill Maher?

  I mean, and you're a big medical researcher. Of the things I remember about you from when we saw each other a lot. One, um, fun guy to be out with. Two, fun basketball. We played here.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  And I'm not a baller like you. You're a baller. You're a real baller, but I'm a hustler is what I am.

• 14:39Bill Maher?

  A great passer.

• 14:40Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 14:41Bill Maher?

  And the third.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  I learned that in the clubs.

• 14:43Bill Maher?

  And the third, the third thing was you are interested in science and medicine. I mean, I remember, I remember when you were very, very, very like almost Lenny Bruce level obsessed with AIDS.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 14:59Bill Maher?

  And that they, I mean, I remember, I remember you giving me a book, which I still have.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 15:03Bill Maher?

  A, a number of copies of. It was a thin book, but it was like, everything you know about AIDS is wrong.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 15:08Bill Maher?

  I think it was called. I mean, this was something that you were very, and I don't know where you are with that now.

• 15:13Speaker 04

  I helped fund it.

• 15:15Bill Maher?

  No, no, but like with, like with AIDS, are we still, we're at the time, and this is going back 20 years, right? This book, wouldn't you say? More?

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Early nineties, late eighties, yeah.

• 15:26Bill Maher?

  Not, not, okay.

• 15:28Speaker 04

  Early nineties.

• 15:29Bill Maher?

  I think by the time I was, I don't think I got to know you until, well, Politically Incorrect went on in ninety-three. Is that how we met?

• 15:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, I did it like two or three.

• 15:37Bill Maher?

  Okay, so, all right, well, mid nineties, Jesus Christ.

• 15:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:41Bill Maher?

  Oh, my God.

• 15:43Speaker 04

  But you know what? We're still alive and you look great.

• 15:45Bill Maher?

  No, but, well, I didn't get AIDS, so that was helpful, but like.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  Makes two of us.

• 15:51Bill Maher?

  But you were very skeptical of what they were saying about AIDS. Are they still telling us the not-truth about AIDS?

• 15:56Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 15:57Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 15:58Speaker 04

  Well, they're still using the same paradigm. You see, I made friends with a guy. I was stupid enough to try to make a documentary about this because I was young and I thought I'd told the world. Last thing I realized is that it's not very smart to invest money and time into something that goes against what the, you know, consensus is supposed to swallow.

• 16:20Bill Maher?

  When you piss off the people who think they have the answers, whether it's on the left or the right, I mean, like I say it a million times, but I think the right is more dangerous, but the left is more obnoxious. I mean, they're.

• 16:32Speaker 04

  Listen, they've switched places to me a couple of times.

• 16:34Bill Maher?

  They do many, exactly, exactly.

• 16:36Speaker 04

  It's like The Exorcist.

• 16:37Bill Maher?

  I mean, look at RFK. He's with the Trump administration now and like.

• 16:41Speaker 04

  But I love him.

• 16:42Bill Maher?

  I was gonna say, I bet you, you're his biggest fan. And I'm a fan, but, but not near where you got, where you, like you and Woody Harrelson are. Because, like, I just can't go there with all the places I think he, he goes to. But on the general, his idea that we're sick basically because of the toxins in the atmosphere and what we eat and what we breathe and all this stuff, and also pharmaceuticals and, and also, um, you know, the, the pills.

• 17:09Speaker 04

  The real cartels, right?

• 17:10Bill Maher?

  Yeah, the things that they give kids, I mean, so many kids, no wonder they're drug addicts of some sort later in life. Because you started, you made them a drug addict when they were eight years old.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  How about when they're born, we've put sugar in everything they eat?

• 17:25Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 17:26Speaker 04

  We feed them in Halloween, we, we just, it's like, sugar, sugar, sugar, man.

• 17:33Bill Maher?

  No, I always give a kid Pepsi. A baby, I'm talking about, I think you should give babies.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  Breastfeed Pepsi, right? No, seriously, we live in an upside down world.

• 17:43Speaker 01

  Para los grandes, para los chicos, para los bajos y los altos, los pacifistas, los valientes. Para los optimistas y los pesimistas, los que valoran lo de adentro. Para los que están lejos, los que no vende lejos, y los que no vende cerca. Para los introvertidos y los extrovertidos. Para los que piensan y los que hacen. Para los que nos mostraron el camino. Coca-Cola, para todos. Compra una Coca-Cola en una tienda cerca de usted.

• 18:14Speaker 05

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• 18:44Speaker 04

  Okay, that's what I've come to learn.

• 18:45Bill Maher?

  Okay, so where are we now with AIDS? Because certainly people who have it are better off. I mean, they used to die, and now they get, I mean, whatever they get keeps them alive.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  This is a rough thing, and, you know, I swore to myself I would not go headfirst into the canceling thing. You know it's Friday the 13th? I stupidly agree to this date. We've been trying to do this for how long?

• 19:10Bill Maher?

  But you don't really believe that matters. Friday the 13th?

• 19:13Speaker 04

  I don't, but I consider. You see...

• 19:16Bill Maher?

  Well, you're the devil, of course you're gonna like Friday the 13th.

• 19:18Speaker 04

  I don't believe everything, but I will consider everything.

• 19:21Bill Maher?

  So, in the analogy of you as the devil, like, just the fact that you haven't killed Tom Cruise in the first two.

• 19:30Bill Maher?

  Times you had.

• 19:30Speaker 04

  Don't give it away, guy. Don't give it away.

• 19:33Bill Maher?

  Oh, right, like they're wondering who won at the end of Mission Impossible. Spoiler alert, Tom's a hero.

• 19:39Speaker 04

  He's the last great movie star.

• 19:40Bill Maher?

  I mean, last great movie.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  First day on the set, I said, "I don't know anyone who's done what you've done."

• 19:44Bill Maher?

  That's true.

• 19:45Speaker 04

  Have stayed in the top five, if not like 10, whatever.

• 19:48Bill Maher?

  At sixty-two.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  No, no, for forty years, for four decades.

• 19:52Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 19:53Speaker 04

  I have to respect his accomplishments.

• 19:54Bill Maher?

  The movies are generally very entertaining without the mass appeal, without insulting my intelligence like some movies do. It's like, I get it, you know, this is just for the popcorn crowd. Um, no, I mean, I I met him once very briefly and I just had to tell him, I said, Night and Day, one of my favorite movies of all time. And it was not one of his hits, uh, for by his level, by his level, probably made two hundred million dollars or something. But him and Cameron Diaz, it's just like such a delightful, fun caper movie. It's, you know, I think.

• 20:30Speaker 04

  Vanilla Sky, remember that?

• 20:32Bill Maher?

  Vanilla Sky, I never understood what the fuck was going on in that one.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  Still a fun ride. When she takes that car.

• 20:39Bill Maher?

  You know what?

• 20:39Speaker 04

  You know, I identified with that so much.

• 20:41Bill Maher?

  I take, he's like, I take it very personally when the movie makes me feel like a fucking idiot, okay? I'm like, okay, I get it, I'm not this modest guy in the world, but you have to do this to me.

• 20:52Speaker 04

  Don't take it personal.

• 20:53Bill Maher?

  The other one, that, um, uh, dude who did, um, Oppenheimer, did with the DiCaprio movie, um, who's, who did, uh?

• 21:04Speaker 04

  Oh, right, right, right.

• 21:05Bill Maher?

  You know what I'm talking about?

• 21:06Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, the the most popular, like, the big name now. Oh, my God, this is so bad for me.

• 21:11Bill Maher?

  Well, I smoked a lot of pot, so I I'm.

• 21:13Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, um.

• 21:15Bill Maher?

  What's his name?

• 21:15Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 21:16Bill Maher?

  Did Batman?

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 21:17Bill Maher?

  This is like.

• 21:18Speaker 04

  He's the biggest, like, one of the biggest directors today.

• 21:21Bill Maher?

  This is like the two stoners, uh, um, dude, the dude's name. Anyway, I know it when I'm sober, he's one of the big directors. And he did that one, it was a one-word title with Leonardo DiCaprio. I didn't know what was going on in that one. And then he did another one a couple of years ago, that like everything moved backward in time. And I thought that was bullshit.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  Interstellar?

• 21:43Bill Maher?

  Interstellar, no, no, no, no, that's something different.

• 21:46Speaker 04

  There's the other one, the, um, where where the world kind of comes up with DiCaprio. That was another one, yeah.

• 21:50Bill Maher?

  That's the one I'm talking about.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's.

• 21:52Bill Maher?

  Didn't understand that one.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  That's a big name.

• 21:54Bill Maher?

  And I know people who did understand it. And I'm I'm more than happy to say there are. There are people in the world who are, you know, brighter than me. I don't even know if I wanna be them. Does that make them happier? I think in a lot of ways, that makes them sadder. I think if you can understand that movie, yeah, I, I, you're probably not that.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  Chris Nolan.

• 22:11Bill Maher?

  Chris Nolan.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:12Bill Maher?

  Christopher Nolan, Chris is a great director.

• 22:15Speaker 04

  Tasteful, tasteful, really one of those British, like.

• 22:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 22:19Speaker 04

  You know, like.

• 22:19Bill Maher?

  Except when he goes off the re- reservation and does something that makes me feel like a fucking idiot.

• 22:24Speaker 04

  Is that the one?

• 22:25Bill Maher?

  Inception.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. You see.

• 22:27Bill Maher?

  It's all coming back to it.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  If you relax, you chill out a minute, it'll come back to you.

• 22:32Bill Maher?

  It'll.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  Just when I thought I forgot. Anyway, sorry. I gotta get, I go into my Al.

• 22:39Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 22:40Speaker 04

  By the way, I did a little movie with Alec Baldwin.

• 22:42Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  And Terrence Howard, who I love, who you've, you know, I'm sure.

• 22:46Bill Maher?

  I had him here.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love him. I love him. Him and I, I'd like, anyway, love Terrence Howard.

• 22:53Bill Maher?

  He's got some interesting out there theories like you.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you know what?

• 22:56Bill Maher?

  You two would get along.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  We do. But Alec Baldwin and I had an Al off, or Pacino off, where we were both talking like, ooh wah, if there was half a man, if I was.

• 23:08Bill Maher?

  That's great.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  You know?

• 23:09Bill Maher?

  That is really a good.

• 23:10Speaker 04

  Say hello to my little friend.

• 23:13Bill Maher?

  That is a really good Al Pacino impression.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  Al's the reason, like, when I, when I saw him in Dog Day Afternoon in, like, the seventies, I was like twelve, thirteen years old. I saw that thousand yard stare, and I've said this in interviews, you know, they go, why did, what, what made you become an actor, you know, I?

• 23:28Bill Maher?

  What made you become an actor?

• 23:30Speaker 04

  Good question. The point that I decided this was what I, I wanted to do for a living, was looking at his thousand yard stare in Dog Day Afternoon. After, like, he's in too deep. And it's like, oh, what am I gonna do now? What am I gonna do? And you just, you see this, like, this, this could cost me my life. I'm, I'm in a bank, I'm robbing this, like. And I just felt so much with just a look, a glare, a glance, like, he was looking through me. And I was, I elbowed my buddy.

• 24:04Bill Maher?

  And the plot of that one, if I recall.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  I said, that's what I'm gonna do. I said, that's what I'm gonna do. If I was half the man I was. I'm sorry, guys. This tequila is a good tequila.

• 24:16Bill Maher?

  I always feel like that's Al's great thing, is like, he makes ham look good.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  Oh, dude, nobody better. Put some cheese on it. But he means it. The thing about Al is he freaking means it. He, he's all in.

• 24:30Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  And that's what you gotta be as an actor.

• 24:33Bill Maher?

  No, that's true.

• 24:34Speaker 04

  Can't phone it in. Fuck off.

• 24:36Bill Maher?

  No, I love him. I mean, I mean, you, if he'd only ever did Michael Corleone. But it's funny, you know, like, Michael Corleone, he, he did. You know, of course, it's the roles you get, but he did. Become sometimes, yes, like your impression. Um, a little over the top and we loved it. But Michael Corleone, that, that performance is the exact opposite. It is so right in here.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Oh, it's so.

• 25:03Bill Maher?

  I mean, he is so chilling.

• 25:05Speaker 04

  Measured.

• 25:06Bill Maher?

  Measured and just like.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  Cold.

• 25:08Bill Maher?

  Quiet and cold. What he understood right from the beginning. That's what makes this character, this character does not have to yell. I think he yells one time at his wife.

• 25:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:18Bill Maher?

  It wasn't, it wasn't the bad guy.

• 25:20Speaker 04

  Come on.

• 25:21Bill Maher?

  When he's.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Who else? Come on. Who pushes our buttons, right? Come on.

• 25:27Bill Maher?

  Says a lot. You're right. Yeah. Barzini, I can handle that. But Kay? You are driving me.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  To the moon, man. Alice.

• 25:38Bill Maher?

  But like, you know, when he is threatening Carlo, you know. Carlo, don't lie to me.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  Don't lie to me, yeah.

• 25:46Bill Maher?

  It insults my intelligence and that makes me very angry. Now, who approached you? Was it Barzini? Or who's the other guy? See, that I know like my name, but I'm stoned.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  But still, man, look at you.

• 26:00Bill Maher?

  But yes, it's like.

• 26:01Speaker 04

  Look at you.

• 26:01Bill Maher?

  It's so.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  Casting directors take note.

• 26:03Bill Maher?

  I'll take note. It's so right in here and that's what makes it chilling. Um, and then Al's performance the whole time, I mean, he just. He just keeps it right. I mean, it's.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  But then he did Bobby Deerfield, which was like really underplayed and it didn't really. You know what I mean, like all of us actors.

• 26:21Bill Maher?

  Now, these are movies that.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  Try to go against.

• 26:23Bill Maher?

  I know that name and I don't, I don't know if I ever saw it. Was he a race car driver or something?

• 26:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think so.

• 26:28Bill Maher?

  But you, but Dog Day Afternoon is iconic. I just wanna say to the kids who don't like, wow, what, what?

• 26:35Speaker 04

  You have to watch Dog Day Afternoon.

• 26:36Bill Maher?

  Dog Day Afternoon, he is.

• 26:38Speaker 04

  School, go to school.

• 26:39Bill Maher?

  Here's what's very.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  Everybody.

• 26:42Bill Maher?

  Way ahead of its.

• 26:42Speaker 04

  Everybody in that movie was ridiculously.

• 26:45Bill Maher?

  Every, here's where it's really way ahead of its time. He was in, he was robbing a bank to get money for a sex change operation, a sex change operation.

• 26:55Speaker 04

  Chris Doran, who was just amazing and the way he helped, he closed this thing. It's like, stop, please, please. I mean, it was amazing.

• 27:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but like.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Ned Beatty.

• 27:07Bill Maher?

  That was not Ned Beatty. Oh, I don't remember.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  No, no, Derning, Charles Derning, sorry. I used to confuse him. The police officer.

• 27:14Bill Maher?

  Ned, Ned Beatty's in Deliverance.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 27:17Bill Maher?

  Ned Beatty is the. The one who's about to get fucked in the ass by the hillbillies and, and.

• 27:24Speaker 04

  Nobody ever forgot that scene, though.

• 27:26Bill Maher?

  No. And the guy, the hillbilly goes, he ain't got no hair in his mouth.

• 27:31Speaker 04

  He's got pretty lips.

• 27:34Bill Maher?

  It's chilled us for fifty years. If you were a.

• 27:38Speaker 04

  Clockwork Orange.

• 27:39Bill Maher?

  Adolescents who saw that.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  That movie and a few others, just my, my whole childhood, like, how could you not? Midnight Cowboy.

• 27:48Bill Maher?

  Oh, Midnight Cowboy.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  You know?

• 27:50Bill Maher?

  John Voight.

• 27:51Speaker 04

  Everybody's talking about me. Oh.

• 27:54Bill Maher?

  One of the greatest.

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Soundtrack. Nielsen, Harry Nielsen.

• 27:58Bill Maher?

  I mean, I feel like seventies movies earned their reputation. People often say that was the golden age. Now there's the old school golden age, but it's almost hard to compare them because I watch old movies a lot and you have to watch them with. A knowledge that things have changed so much that some of this is just gonna look ridiculous. And it's just, you just have to go with it. People just were super, super different, certainly about issues like race and sex. So you're just gonna have to understand that. But also, like, the purity level. I mean, what, and also what passes as realism?

• 28:41Bill Maher?

  They did not make any attempt, and they did not think you needed to.

• 28:44Speaker 04

  Taxi driver, I miss the Times Square.

• 28:46Bill Maher?

  Well, if you shot a guy in 1945, you didn't see any sort of realistic death. It was like, okay, the audience, we get it.

• 28:54Speaker 04

  It was noir, we knew what was going on, style.

• 28:56Bill Maher?

  The gun went off and he went down, Hitchcock, you don't see blood, ever.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  You didn't have to.

• 29:02Bill Maher?

  And then you, then it became Tarantino, and you saw lots of blood.

• 29:06Speaker 04

  Gore.

• 29:06Bill Maher?

  Right. So, when you're watching one from the old days like that, you just, you gotta put yourself in a different head, which is not that hard to do.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  I feel bad.

• 29:17Bill Maher?

  Not that hard to do, you fucking idiots.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  I feel bad for kids today.

• 29:20Bill Maher?

  A disclaimer before the movie. Before you watch this movie, we'd like to yell at you!

• 29:25Speaker 04

  This movie?

• 29:26Bill Maher?

  For not being as good as people should have been!

• 29:28Speaker 04

  It may trigger you, it has real emotion.

• 29:31Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  I feel bad for kids today who are so hooked on the little, like, the device screen. You know?

• 29:38Bill Maher?

  What does your 14-year-old do with it?

• 29:40Speaker 04

  Well, I mean,

• 29:43Speaker 04

  I don't wanna get too personal, but I regret giving her a phone, you know? It's just like, it's such a mess.

• 29:48Bill Maher?

  So hard to avoid.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  And then they look at you on it all day, I go, yeah, but I'm paying for your bills with this too. I'm not just like, you know, like, let's, let's compare algorithms.

• 29:57Bill Maher?

  But wouldn't, if you didn't?

• 29:58Speaker 04

  It's a science, I'm into, like, truth, science, like,

• 30:01Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know.

• 30:01Speaker 04

  I wanna know.

• 30:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know.

• 30:03Speaker 04

  What's really going on, and it gets me in trouble, by the way.

• 30:05Bill Maher?

  But if you didn't give your 14-year-old the phone, wouldn't she be?

• 30:11Speaker 04

  A pariah, some weird?

• 30:13Bill Maher?

  And also hating you for not giving her what every other parent gave their kids.

• 30:18Speaker 04

  That's part of it.

• 30:18Bill Maher?

  You don't raise your kids in isolation, you raise them in a society.

• 30:22Speaker 04

  What is it, it takes a village, I believe?

• 30:24Bill Maher?

  Yes. It takes a village, and a village can also fuck you up.

• 30:28Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 30:28Bill Maher?

  Because the village has decided that the kids have phones.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  For the greater good.

• 30:33Bill Maher?

  Which makes you the bad guy.

• 30:35Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. You have no idea how hard it is for me to like, I came from like, you know, getting beaten.

• 30:44Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Seriously.

• 30:46Bill Maher?

  Beaten where?

• 30:47Speaker 04

  Like, all over your body.

• 30:49Bill Maher?

  Why, by who?

• 30:50Speaker 04

  By your loving parents.

• 30:51Bill Maher?

  Oh, by your parents? Your parents beat you?

• 30:54Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. It meant they loved you.

• 30:57Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 30:58Speaker 04

  You gotta understand this, in old-school culture, they would point to the kids who could stay out all night and do whatever they want, talk back to their parents, they go, "That kid's gonna end up in jail, on drugs, or, you know, like, you know, a loser," and they were right most of the time. If you don't have some sort of boundary that they can push up against and go, "Okay, okay, this ain't okay."

• 31:19Bill Maher?

  So what did they beat you for?

• 31:21Speaker 04

  Ah, all kinds of things. See, I got backhanded.

• 31:24Bill Maher?

  But for a reason?

• 31:25Speaker 04

  Usually, it's disrespect or doing stupid things, which, you know, I'm still prone to. We all do stupid things.

• 31:34Bill Maher?

  No, I don't. Like, what stupid thing do you do?

• 31:36Speaker 04

  Oh, you want me to say it here?

• 31:38Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  But don't tell anybody.

• 31:39Bill Maher?

  I mean, what do you, I don't know, I've never read one bad word about you.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  Put it this way, um...

• 31:45Bill Maher?

  Never one bad word?

• 31:46Speaker 04

  And thank God, but there are people who don't like me. I became friends, I tried to do a documentary on AIDS, that's why, I'm gonna go back on the AIDS thing, and I became friends with a guy who won the Nobel Prize for inventing PCR, Dr. Carey Mullis, who was a bona fide genius. And he did not buy any of Fauci's stuff, he was just not having it, he would challenge him to debates and stuff, and just, you know, wouldn't accept it. Now, I don't wanna talk bad about anyone, you know, I'm that guy, I'm like, you know, I like being the bad guy in the movies, I do everything I can to like, make up for that in real life. Um, I like my demons to work for me, not through me.

• 32:24Bill Maher?

  Hmm.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  Uh, and it's taken a lot.

• 32:26Bill Maher?

  Another good t-shirt.

• 32:27Speaker 04

  But it's, but it's taken a lot, it's, you know.

• 32:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 32:30Speaker 04

  It's a never-ending battle.

• 32:31Bill Maher?

  I see, I got it.

• 32:32Speaker 04

  When you think you've conquered it, they let you know, you, no, not so fast. So, um... So I met him and he and he told me brilliant things that years later I was like, oh my God, oh my God, things about the ozone layer and environmentalism and things that I used to go and do PSAs about because as a dutiful liberal actor, you know, you read your script and yeah, you don't want the world to end. You find out that the world was gonna end in the sixties, it was gonna end in the seventies, it was gonna end in the eighties.

• 33:02Bill Maher?

  Doesn't mean it won't.

• 33:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, but we're not gonna end it. The planet is gonna be here. We may end ourselves.

• 33:09Bill Maher?

  Oh, you know, George Carlin used to say that and I thought it was stupid then.

• 33:12Speaker 04

  No.

• 33:12Bill Maher?

  I don't care about the planet being here. I care about me being able to live on the planet.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  Let me give you an idea. I went on the beach in Puerto Rico where I was locked up, thank goodness, in a condo on a beach and a dear friend of mine was able to let me, you know, I rented it for, you know, as my place instead of a hotel. And there was a beach and at night I would sneak in and swim. I was going crazy. I was going crazy being locked up. And I knew that I needed. And then when I heard the call, I was gonna get on a plane to London. I was like, I have to swim. I gotta get in shape. This, they asked me if I could be physical and yeah, I can be physical, but you know, you just, so I would swim for hours at night.

• 33:51Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 33:52Speaker 04

  In off the coast of Puerto Rico.

• 33:53Bill Maher?

  Seems scary.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  Dude, I'm gonna tell you.

• 33:56Bill Maher?

  Oh, I would never do that. In the ocean at night?

• 34:00Speaker 04

  In the ocean at night. And let me tell you something.

• 34:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, my God.

• 34:02Speaker 04

  Faith, yeah, God. I had, I applied a lot of faith. Let me tell you that one of the scariest things that ever happened to me by myself. And then eventually I made friends with somebody and we'd both like watch out for the cops and then go in. I had a beard at the time, you know, white beard. And like when the cops would, I'd put my face in the water so they wouldn't see because they'd flash the lights.

• 34:21Bill Maher?

  I feel like the ocean at night is a black monster. It has a million ways to kill me.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  And and I, and I, after that, I, again, it was the desperation of being locked up. That I said, I have to swim. And what I learned.

• 34:36Bill Maher?

  Gotta swim.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  Gotta swim, but let me tell you something, what I learned about nature. Just two weeks after being locked down. That people weren't in the, in the ocean on the beach all day with their suntan lotions and the boats with the oil. The fish came back, a lot of fish were back. And even the plankton that glue in the, you know, we had phosphorescent bays. But when I would move it, I would see tiny little bits of that coming back. And then I realized, guess what comes back when fish come back? Predators. And one night I felt something huge bump up against my leg. And I shit you not, I was like, I made it back.

• 35:18Bill Maher?

  What was it, a shark?

• 35:19Speaker 04

  I don't know. That's more terrifying. I don't know, it could have been a manatee.

• 35:23Bill Maher?

  Why do you think it didn't bite you?

• 35:25Speaker 04

  Because not everything is hungry. Sometimes they're just feeling, but the point is.

• 35:29Bill Maher?

  Sometimes they're just horny. He said he bumped up against you.

• 35:32Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 35:33Bill Maher?

  We've all heard that excuse on the subway.

• 35:34Speaker 04

  And I was in good shape. No, but the point is that I was, I was like, I could get eaten at night and not in a good way. And never be found. And no one would know.

• 35:45Bill Maher?

  And you did this, why?

• 35:46Speaker 04

  Because I knew I was being lied to because I had to rebel against the system. I had to say my big F you. And you're not going to stop me from being in salt water. Swimming for, at times, I mean, I never swam so much in my life and I would tread water and go really deep because as long as you can tread water and not panic. You catch your breath. And I would just pray God, angels, the universe, whoever it is out there. Because I, I'm religious, but I'm not religious. You know what I mean? And people go, I'm spiritual as a fad, but I just know something, somebody out there in here, all around loves me enough that has not allowed me to destroy myself.

• 36:27Bill Maher?

  But what do you say to the person who like gets eaten? That why didn't the God love him? You know what I mean? What about all the people who like have the shitty outcome?

• 36:38Speaker 04

  Very good point.

• 36:38Bill Maher?

  You know, I used to say that about the Trump assassination when people would say.

• 36:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:43Bill Maher?

  You think that's staged? I'm like, you moron. Of course, it's not staged. Among.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  But I I wondered about that too, though. Oddly enough, you know what? Because he went down, then he come back and it's all.

• 36:52Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but okay, a bullet did go. Right, that's my point. It couldn't have been staged. And, you know, people say, God saved Trump. Where was the God for the other guy?

• 37:05Speaker 04

  And here's what I will tell you about that. I do believe. Life is eternal, that this is just a phase. Like, what happens to us here is like a gestation period. Like, you're alive before you're born, but you're not technically born. Oh, let's get into abortion. No, I'm saying you're alive, you're evolving. You know, people think, are you into creation or or or or evolution? And I'm like, I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  We evolve as people. Don't you?

• 37:34Bill Maher?

  Well, creationism says the world is six thousand years old.

• 37:37Speaker 04

  That's literal, yeah. Yeah, but but I believe we were. Again, our holy books are ill-preserved records of God-knowing men.

• 37:46Bill Maher?

  But, you know, this is what George Bush used to say when he was president, like. Like, well, he was trying to, it was a big issue. Should we teach creationism in school? And he would say, teach evolution and creation. Teach them both. And and I would say, no, stupidity is not another form of knowledge. It's just, it's just a different thing on its own, and you shouldn't teach both. You're allowed to believe whatever you want.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  I disagree with you. I think you should teach both and eventually. You don't have, one doesn't have to, like, we as human beings are extremely contradictory.

• 38:22Bill Maher?

  Oh, well, of course.

• 38:23Speaker 04

  Okay, so so for me, political parties, like, I'm too old for parties now. I love when you said, I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The party left me.

• 38:31Bill Maher?

  I didn't say that.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, you did. I heard you say that.

• 38:34Bill Maher?

  No, no, no, I didn't.

• 38:35Speaker 04

  What did you say? I heard you say that.

• 38:37Bill Maher?

  What you're doing, which is not wrong, is you're. Conflating what people have said in the past about leaving parties.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  But I recall you saying that.

• 38:48Bill Maher?

  Wait, I'm telling, I know me better than you know.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 38:51Bill Maher?

  I'm just gonna tell you, you're conflating, you're putting a title on, and an actual quote on something that somewhat accurately expresses my point of view. I understand why you said, but I never said that because I never was a Democrat to begin with. I always like caucus with the Democrats and I generally vote for them, I think always vote for them, but I always look at it and like, no, I'm gonna actually make up my mind. They just always are less scary and insane than the Republicans. But I wait for the day when it evens out. We're approaching that because they have gotten crazier and that's a lot of what you're referencing. But I never said I left the party because I wasn't there to begin with.

• 39:31Speaker 04

  Well, you said something similar.

• 39:32Bill Maher?

  Very similar. I'm telling you, you have the general feeling right. But not that exact quote and not that exact feeling because it's more than party. It's more like left and right.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:43Bill Maher?

  The language changes and I'm sorry, but woke got to be an eye roll. It wasn't originally, but it got to be an eye roll for every crazy, way too far left non-commonsensical bullshit.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  My favorite term was woke supremacist. I love that because.

• 40:02Bill Maher?

  You made that up?

• 40:03Speaker 04

  No, I saw that and I thought, this is brilliant. Somebody's a woke supremacist, pretending to be all, what's the word, tolerant. And they're the most intolerant sometimes.

• 40:13Bill Maher?

  They really are.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  And it's like, wanna cancel people at the drop of a hat. I'm like, that's somebody's living. Like, relax, you know? The point I was trying to make was why I, I've always identified with the Democratic Party and I still identify as a liberal at heart. You know, at heart.

• 40:27Bill Maher?

  I voted for.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  You know what my definition of liberal is? Is someone who wants to change the status quo for the better. You liberate for yourself from, from.

• 40:35Bill Maher?

  You know what I always, you know what I always say to the.

• 40:37Speaker 04

  And conservative is what, someone who wants to conserve what works, what's good.

• 40:41Bill Maher?

  You know what I always say, the super woke?

• 40:43Speaker 04

  Tell me.

• 40:44Bill Maher?

  We voted for the same person. You're just why she lost.

• 40:49Speaker 01

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• 41:20Speaker 02

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• 42:21Bill Maher?

  What? Knife? You're saying I put the knife in?

• 42:25Speaker 04

  No, but it's truth.

• 42:27Bill Maher?

  I love to put the knife in.

• 42:28Speaker 04

  No, but you do. But you know, I haven't always... You know, I was a huge fan and then I said something on your show many years ago and then I never got invited again. And I've realized, maybe I crossed a little line.

• 42:39Bill Maher?

  No, that's not why.

• 42:40Speaker 04

  No, because remember I...

• 42:41Bill Maher?

  No, no, no. It's because the show changed. We don't have celebrities. When I first did the show, we were...

• 42:48Speaker 04

  Is that all I am to you?

• 42:51Bill Maher?

  No.

• 42:51Speaker 04

  That's like an insult.

• 42:52Bill Maher?

  You're right, but you know, you're right, because you probably, and I, I will say to you, and I'm, I'm sorry. We should have had you more, because you are one of the few celebrities who can, like, very, very credibly,

• 43:05Bill Maher?

  talk like a non-celebrity, and I mean that, I'm sorry, celebrities, they're lovely people, but, but thinking ain't their big thing usually. And you are a true thinker.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  We have, we have our lines.

• 43:16Bill Maher?

  So, you're right, but the, the reason is because we overcompensated when we came off politically incorrect, which was all show business.

• 43:24Speaker 04

  I love the concept.

• 43:25Bill Maher?

  I know, but it was silly. It was a silly show.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Well, that's why I became in a sense. I was politically correct.

• 43:31Bill Maher?

  Moved to HBO, now I'm doing a different show, and I'm trying to stake out a different territory. And at first, we still kinda were, first of all, we had three panelists, then we moved to two. And with three, like, one of them would be like, oh, we need face name value. And then it was like, the audience at one, at some point, like, got it through to my thick skull. No, we just want a good conversation. And like, celebrities are usually fucking idiots. So we overcompensated and got rid of even some of the ones who are good. But that was just like an overcompensation. So, that's really what happened.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  That's very kind of you to say.

• 44:10Bill Maher?

  No, no, but, but we will do it in the future.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  You know what's hard to do?

• 44:14Bill Maher?

  Cause you're right.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  It's hard to say something you really believe in, that not everybody knows, and not sound like a douchebag who's trying to be smart. You know, like, I did hear another-

• 44:22Bill Maher?

  No, you're a douchebag who is smart.

• 44:24Speaker 04

  Thank you. Thank you. Oh, you're so kind. I love you.

• 44:29Bill Maher?

  So good to see you.

• 44:30Speaker 04

  And you're a good baller, dude. You still playing basketball like you do?

• 44:32Bill Maher?

  Broke my finger doing it.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  No.

• 44:35Bill Maher?

  Rebound, rebounding.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  Oh my god.

• 44:37Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 44:37Speaker 04

  Mallet? You got that mallet?

• 44:39Bill Maher?

  Mallet finger, yeah. That's what I mean. You know your medicine.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  Listen, I have a little secret I won't tell everybody, but you see this right here? It ripped trying to play basketball, going for the ball, somebody's thigh went, and it never fixed. So my guitar playing never kinda got to the level it could have gotten to. But now I'm obsessed with tennis.

• 44:58Bill Maher?

  You played the guitar too. Wow.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  I'm obsessed with tennis.

• 45:02Bill Maher?

  Still a heartthrob. I'm pretty sure you're still wetting panties out there.

• 45:06Speaker 04

  Oh my god, oh my god, you know, that's sexist.

• 45:09Bill Maher?

  I remember once.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  Some people say, why just panties?

• 45:12Bill Maher?

  I remember once I was out, this is must be the 90s, and I saw you, and I was with a girl who was Puerto Rican.

• 45:20Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 45:21Bill Maher?

  You remember this? And I introduced you, we just saw you, we saw each other. We were often at the same parties and bullshit, because we were bullshit out in the town type, my god.

• 45:30Speaker 04

  We were having fun.

• 45:31Bill Maher?

  We were having fun at the time when you do that. And you like, and I thought, oh shit. Super hot, handsome, he's gonna try to steal my girl. And he did not. You know, it's like you were very respectful. You like, you were like, you, you like, made the connection that, oh, I'm Puerto Rican, and it's great that we're both Puerto Rican. But you weren't like, hey, you're Puerto Rican too. Why don't you fuck me instead?

• 45:55Speaker 04

  Leave that guy, right, yeah. No, you know what it is? I'm an empath, I feel for people.

• 45:59Bill Maher?

  No, but I've had guys try to do that. None of them succeeded, but I've had them try, and they were never friends again. And I just, I just remember that.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  I'm not, I'm not a saint. I, I, I unfortunately have, um, you know, the only real problems I've had in my life, unfortunately, have been due to my inability to, to say, to be saintly when it comes to passion. And, you know, sometimes you pick the wrong people to trust or to open up with or to take a chance with. And then, then you do hear stories about yourself and go, oh, that's not what happened, but okay. I let it, I let it get to a point where that could be said. And that's what I realized as I get older, like, maybe don't do that, you know? May, maybe don't trust so much. I, I, I love humanity.

• 46:51Speaker 04

  My whole thing is, I love people a little too much sometimes. And, you know.

• 46:57Bill Maher?

  Well, people.

• 46:58Speaker 04

  Almost, I'm sorry. Listen, I play bad people. You know what it takes to play bad people credibly? You have to put yourself in other shoes. You have to understand the asshole, the villain, the evil, the murderer, the cartel guy, the, you know. I look at people, I go, how could you do this to another human being?

• 47:18Bill Maher?

  No, you are very convincing.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  And I have to figure out a way to go, okay, if A was to B is B is to C, then A is C and all bets are off.

• 47:26Bill Maher?

  Well, I think there are some people who really don't have, as I would say, a bad bone in their body. But most people do. And the people who I can't even access that one bad bone, they're not actors. Because actors, they've got some bad bones. I mean, I'm not saying they're bad people. But like in general, their living is deception.

• 47:49Speaker 04

  Yes and no, because I tell people, I know a lot of really good con artists and liars who think, well, I can lie, I can fool, I can lie to you and take your money. And they think they can be actors. And I'm like, dude, you don't get it. Just because you can be a piece of shit as a human being, doesn't mean you can respond truthfully under imaginary circumstance.

• 48:08Bill Maher?

  I mean.

• 48:08Speaker 04

  That's what people respond to. They have to, they have to vibe some sort of truth.

• 48:13Bill Maher?

  Here's my thing about acting. I believe like 80% of acting is like, anybody could do it. Like children do it, fucking wrestlers do it.

• 48:22Speaker 04

  You'd be surprised. I coached some friends.

• 48:23Bill Maher?

  Wait, wait, wait. I did it. I mean, I'm telling you, children.

• 48:27Speaker 04

  You did good right there earlier when you were doing the Pacino Michael Corleone.

• 48:31Bill Maher?

  Like that, that's like, you know, soap operas and like, you know, fucking detective work on CBS. He's a little kid. Okay, anyone can do that. But on the top 20%, which is where I put you, yes, that you need a professional for. There are, you know, the real important roles, like the bad guy.

• 48:54Bill Maher?

  Whatever, those kind of roles, they, I'll say this about show business, it's full of bullshit. But the people who cast know what they're doing. They generally pick the right people to be the cream of the crop movie stars and stuff. I really.

• 49:10Speaker 04

  I'm glad the casting directors are getting now their like attention from the academy.

• 49:14Bill Maher?

  You go through the ages and I don't like, I look at old movies, I think, you know what? There wasn't somebody better than Jimmy Stewart and Henry Fonda. And I look at now and I'm like, Timothy Chalamet, I don't know him from Adam, but yeah, I get it why he's like, he's very good at his job and that's what.

• 49:30Speaker 04

  There are many great actors out there, you know, people ask me, who's your favorite? I thought there are too many to choose from right now. Um, and they're really good. I just don't know that the material in the studios are backing things that are about human beings anymore. This is a subject I'm sure you have opinions about that I do because it's in my name, E S A I. I don't think A I can reproduce.

• 49:51Bill Maher?

  That was deep.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  Well, think about it. I don't think A I can reproduce Midnight Cowboy.

• 49:56Bill Maher?

  I'm all over A I.

• 49:58Speaker 04

  You know, there's some, we have to be careful.

• 50:00Bill Maher?

  I'm very obsessed that the robots are taking over. I really am.

• 50:04Speaker 04

  And we're like, we have to make a choice.

• 50:06Bill Maher?

  We're not even fighting.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  We're not fighting smartly. I, I'm a little disappointed.

• 50:11Bill Maher?

  Fighting at all. We're helping, we're helping. And it's already too late, but you know, it's, it's okay.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  I gave, I gave an award at the Time Magazine A I Walk 100, you know, Time Magazine's 100 A I like edition in Dubai.

• 50:28Bill Maher?

  What's, what's the A I edition?

• 50:30Speaker 04

  Well, they, it was about.

• 50:31Bill Maher?

  100 most influential A I creatures?

• 50:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:34Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 50:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, Time Magazine had, had a thing in Dubai, an incredible event.

• 50:38Bill Maher?

  About the people who make A I?

• 50:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, the people who are in, it's, it's the new, it's, it's the, the final frontier to some cases.

• 50:46Bill Maher?

  Frontier is here.

• 50:48Speaker 04

  And I came up with a line that I had, they put him in there, because you know, as the guy who is AI powered in Mission Impossible, right?

• 50:55Bill Maher?

  If people haven't seen it, I mean, the bad guy, uh, it used to be that the bad guy in a movie like that was an entity that some bad guy controlled, which in a way is you are that bad guy. But it's almost like the villain is the entity itself.

• 51:11Speaker 04

  The villain, according to most reviewers, that didn't even mention me.

• 51:15Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 51:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was a little like, okay.

• 51:17Bill Maher?

  Well, Tom Cruise can't fight the entity in a helicopter.

• 51:21Speaker 04

  The entity is the enemy.

• 51:21Bill Maher?

  He has to fight you.

• 51:23Speaker 04

  Well, you know, but, but you know, uh, some people were very kind and some, uh, you know, I don't normally like base a lot of feelings on, you know, one other opinion, but I was like, oh, wow, okay. Okay, maybe someone's not wanting to acknowledge whatever, but I'm, I'm extra sensitive, extra sentient.

• 51:40Bill Maher?

  You and I are very much.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Authentic intelligence.

• 51:43Bill Maher?

  Very similar in this way, I think, is that like, we both think not wrongly, that the press just couldn't, doesn't quite get us and is not especially supportive. And, and whatever we have achieved, which has been great for both of us, is in spite of them, not because they helped. And some people, they help a lot, and that's okay. You can't have everything in life. I am not bitter about it. Like, like you can't check every single box. And I'd rather have the boxes I check and understand that that's one of the sacrifices. If you're gonna like actually speak true things and speak your mind, you know, you're either, there, there are gonna be a lot of influential people who

• 52:24Bill Maher?

  want to hate you, ignore you, or whatever, and that's, that's okay. It's a, it's a doggy dog.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  Minimize your impact.

• 52:31Bill Maher?

  Yeah, it's a doggy dog.

• 52:32Speaker 04

  I have a saying I say in tennis, uh, that I'm obsessed with, uh, that don't get bitter, get better. And it's a simple one-letter thing, you know, it's just like.

• 52:42Bill Maher?

  Christ, you should open a T-shirt store.

• 52:44Speaker 04

  No, I.

• 52:45Bill Maher?

  All of these, all of these maxims.

• 52:47Speaker 04

  But, but it's, it's, it's true. I also have a, a, my R and D theory when I talk to like, you know, people who want advice.

• 52:54Bill Maher?

  R and D, research and development?

• 52:56Speaker 04

  That's one way to look at it.

• 52:58Bill Maher?

  Well, isn't that what R and D is?

• 52:59Speaker 04

  Yes, but it's also the difference between, I think, success and failure. You either let the things in your life that chip away at you, that hurt you, that attack you, that, that, you know, your failures either.

• 53:14Speaker 04

  Refine you or define you?

• 53:16Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 53:16Speaker 04

  It's one little difference.

• 53:18Bill Maher?

  Another good one.

• 53:19Speaker 04

  No, but I'm serious. If you, if you sit there and, and accept that you're a loser and that you're terrible, you're literally, they say that there's neuro linguistic, you know, you're wiring your brain to accept that.

• 53:30Bill Maher?

  Either refine you or define you.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  Take your choice, man.

• 53:34Bill Maher?

  Or refinance you.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  At a, at a good interest rate, I'm all in. Anyway.

• 53:41Bill Maher?

  You're right.

• 53:43Speaker 04

  Yes, this is so club random.

• 53:45Bill Maher?

  Oh, there's no gender and there's no agenda here.

• 53:48Speaker 04

  No, but I love it.

• 53:49Bill Maher?

  And no gender. That's how fucking free we are.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  I'm a person who speaks.

• 53:53Bill Maher?

  I'm just a human. I don't want you to see me as a male.

• 53:57Speaker 04

  I always think. Just. How do you define? Anyway, um, if I ever had memoirs, if I was ever organized enough to write memoirs, I would call it, but I digress.

• 54:10Bill Maher?

  That's a great title.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  Isn't it?

• 54:13Bill Maher?

  That's a great title.

• 54:14Speaker 04

  Because I do, I do.

• 54:15Bill Maher?

  You know, uh.

• 54:17Speaker 04

  It's hard for me to stay on one subject.

• 54:19Bill Maher?

  I mean, this show is apropos of nothing. I, I never.

• 54:23Speaker 04

  Is this the Seinfeld of podcasts? Is that what you're saying? What's the show about?

• 54:28Bill Maher?

  Well, first of all, that was, that was also never true, not about anything.

• 54:34Speaker 04

  It's about them.

• 54:34Bill Maher?

  It was about, well, also it was about the most amazingly hard to believe coincidences and confluence of events. That's what made it funny. Like, you know, the jacket that you saw in the first scene somehow came back in the last scene to, to put some comedy ironic spin on a situation.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  It was supposed to be a show about nothing, right?

• 54:57Bill Maher?

  They said that, but you know, they get everything wrong.

• 55:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:01Bill Maher?

  It, it could not have been less about nothing.

• 55:05Speaker 04

  Then what was it about?

• 55:07Bill Maher?

  It was about being funny. That was always Larry and-

• 55:10Speaker 04

  Isn't all the shows, aren't they comedies also supposed to be about-

• 55:13Bill Maher?

  No, I remember doing sitcoms and I thought it was a good lesson, but I did my first one in nineteen eighty-four. It was called Sarah. I played the office creep, Marty, and Gina Davis was Sarah. She was a lawyer. We were all lawyers in San Francisco, Bronson-

• 55:29Speaker 04

  What a sweet, what an incredible person. I mean Gina Davis-

• 55:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, I loved her. We got along so great.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  But she just seems like such a magnanimous human, like a, you know, again, going back to AI. They'll never replace the soul, or at least, you know, there's something about a soul that is-

• 55:48Bill Maher?

  No, but-

• 55:49Speaker 04

  undefinable, that that's the only thing that we have, to get back to that story about AI. So I see her, I see great artists, they pour their soul out into their work. Actors who don't do that don't tend to resonate with audiences in my opinion.

• 56:02Bill Maher?

  No, of course not.

• 56:03Speaker 04

  I know pop stars, I don't want to mention one, but very, very mega pop star that did all these movies and I could never buy her, ever, and desperate to be taken seriously. And it was just like, I don't know anything about who you, you know, I don't know, I don't feel your pain. I don't feel anything and I feel like you're faking it, you know, and it's just like, you know.

• 56:29Bill Maher?

  I gotta say, you're right, all those years we hung out, I didn't realize it. You're a lot deeper than I am. I mean, I don't, I'm not even saying that facetiously, or regrettably.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  I'm sorry.

• 56:42Bill Maher?

  I'm happy with it.

• 56:43Speaker 04

  My daughter says-

• 56:44Bill Maher?

  No, it's just true.

• 56:45Speaker 04

  No, my daughter goes-

• 56:46Bill Maher?

  It's, it's okay.

• 56:46Speaker 04

  My daughter's like, brah, it's not that deep. And I'm like, oh god.

• 56:51Bill Maher?

  What, is that the kind of conversations you have with your kid?

• 56:53Speaker 04

  No, I love my kid, but it's hard to get a fourteen-year-old to, to talk about anything like-

• 56:59Bill Maher?

  Is she super woke? I mean, they mostly are-

• 57:01Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no.

• 57:03Bill Maher?

  No, really?

• 57:03Speaker 04

  She is a-

• 57:04Bill Maher?

  What does she think?

• 57:05Speaker 04

  Independent thinker. She's really cool.

• 57:06Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 57:07Speaker 04

  She's just quiet about her deepest feelings and maybe she just, maybe she has a blessed life.

• 57:12Bill Maher?

  What do you do for like father-daughter time? Like, like what's a, what's a thing that-

• 57:16Speaker 04

  We like to go play video games at like, you know, those, the, the place-

• 57:19Bill Maher?

  Arcades?

• 57:19Speaker 04

  The arcade, yeah.

• 57:20Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 57:21Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 57:21Bill Maher?

  You go to an arcade-

• 57:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:23Bill Maher?

  And play video, and you like it too?

• 57:24Speaker 04

  I love it. It brings me back to childhood, you know?

• 57:27Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 57:27Speaker 04

  There was a time where she was terrified of- Of zombies. So we couldn't go past this zombie thing. And I was like, come on, honey, come on, you can do this. It's not real. And you know, at one point, I just had to stop or else borders on abuse. You're traumatizing your child. Don't make her do that. But you know, sometimes you gotta like, say, hey, hey, do this. And and once you get past it, you'll realize your fears are unfounded. But I I gave up on it and she's okay.

• 57:56Bill Maher?

  Age fourteen, are they have they outgrown video games at that moment?

• 58:00Speaker 04

  Uh uh.

• 58:01Bill Maher?

  No, so still video games at fourteen.

• 58:03Speaker 04

  And I.

• 58:04Bill Maher?

  I'm just asking, I'm not judging.

• 58:06Speaker 04

  Video games today aren't the same. There's there's like.

• 58:08Bill Maher?

  I I've never played a video game. I didn't know what they were when they were the same.

• 58:11Speaker 04

  I was obsessed with asteroids and like the eighties ones.

• 58:14Bill Maher?

  I never played Pac Man.

• 58:16Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 58:16Bill Maher?

  I mean, that's when I was in college, that's what they had, Pac Man.

• 58:19Speaker 04

  But I I gave up.

• 58:20Bill Maher?

  I was not interested in that.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  For me, video games is it's kind of an analogy to life. Where you try to get good at something and you just try to improve. And what's but it's it's a drug. You know why? Because you get dopamine every time you get to a certain level.

• 58:37Bill Maher?

  Well, gamers, I mean, that's such a big subculture. Gamers, huge.

• 58:41Speaker 04

  There are some very successful people.

• 58:43Bill Maher?

  It's so ironic, they're gamers, but they have no game. And this is why they're gamers. See, it's like circular.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  They have games, they have game with other gamers.

• 58:52Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but they don't, but they're not getting laid. Or maybe maybe like the big ones are. I know they have like tournaments where people watch people playing games.

• 59:00Speaker 04

  It's crazy.

• 59:01Bill Maher?

  That's, I mean, and then they expect.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  When I was young, I never knew that you could have TV shows about people talking about the sport. Like ESPN, all these shows that talk about. And then there was a show that talked about the shows that talked about it.

• 59:14Bill Maher?

  It's not a sport. It can't be a sport.

• 59:17Speaker 04

  It's a mental sport, I think.

• 59:19Bill Maher?

  If you're sitting down. I mean, I will barely allow golf.

• 59:22Speaker 04

  You think chess isn't?

• 59:23Bill Maher?

  That's a sport.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  But chess.

• 59:25Bill Maher?

  Chess is not a sport. It's different.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  It is.

• 59:27Bill Maher?

  It's a different category.

• 59:28Speaker 04

  Sweat, I've had sweat playing chess. It's mental. Sometimes you burn more calories with your mind.

• 59:35Bill Maher?

  But you're a chess player.

• 59:36Speaker 04

  I was, I mean, I wouldn't compare myself to people that are really good now, but man.

• 59:40Bill Maher?

  Played chess, I mean, I don't know, I didn't even know how to play chess.

• 59:44Speaker 04

  Really?

• 59:44Bill Maher?

  Yeah, what?

• 59:46Speaker 04

  No, it's just one of those things. You seem so like, you see, look, for a comedian, you are a more intellectual, you know, but it's okay. I don't, believe me, there's a ton of movies I haven't seen. People are like, really? You haven't seen that?

• 1:00:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah. No, I mean.

• 1:00:01Speaker 04

  We can't do everything, right?

• 1:00:02Bill Maher?

  You can't do everything, and why would I do that one? I mean.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  Chess is amazing because it makes you think steps ahead. It's strategy.

• 1:00:10Bill Maher?

  But I do crossword puzzles.

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  There you go. I'm obsessed with them.

• 1:00:13Bill Maher?

  Oh, you are?

• 1:00:13Speaker 04

  And I was, I was.

• 1:00:14Bill Maher?

  I love them.

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  You know, and I knew I made it, right?

• 1:00:17Bill Maher?

  When you were in the crossword puzzle.

• 1:00:18Speaker 04

  Like.

• 1:00:19Bill Maher?

  You were always in there because they needed the letters.

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  Three vowels and a consonant.

• 1:00:23Bill Maher?

  E S A I.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  And not only that.

• 1:00:25Bill Maher?

  That's, I always said, I could Leno about that. He said, I said, Jay, it's not because they love you.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  Four-letter name.

• 1:00:32Bill Maher?

  They need the letters.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  Not only that, but I, I thought I made it. Then I, I brought myself down. He goes, you're in the New York Times crossword puzzle. I go, yeah. I go, but aren't they supposed to be hard? You know, like, you know, you've really made it when you're in the TV Guide one, like, everybody knows your name, you know, but New York Times, you know, it's supposed to be more obscure.

• 1:00:54Bill Maher?

  M A H E R, they also use.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:00:57Bill Maher?

  Fairly frequently. I, every time they do it, I've cut it out. I probably have a folder with like 20 of them.

• 1:01:03Speaker 04

  But I love exercises for the mind, and that forces you to think. And things like that are probably why you're as a bright person. Look, none of us here is, is a bona fide genius, but compared to other folks out there, we, we give them a run for their money. We're, we're not the stupidest of the bunch, you know?

• 1:01:21Bill Maher?

  You're not. I mean, show business in general, I'm sorry, I can't in good conscience sit here and tell you.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  But where do you draw the line?

• 1:01:30Bill Maher?

  That show people are generally, you know, I'm sorry, their, their forte is something different. It's charisma, it's good look.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  Riz? What my daughter calls Riz now?

• 1:01:41Bill Maher?

  It's talent. Talent is different than intelligence.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  How do you define talent?

• 1:01:45Bill Maher?

  Talent is, is raw, and it's, you know, Elvis has it, and Tom Cruise has it, and it's like.

• 1:01:51Speaker 04

  Meat is raw. How do you define talent?

• 1:01:52Bill Maher?

  Oh, I don't know. I know it when I see it. It's like pornography. I know it when I see it. No, it's talent. It's, you know, you can sing, you can act, you can dance, you can, I don't know.

• 1:02:04Speaker 04

  It's skill?

• 1:02:04Bill Maher?

  We both have, yes, we both have it too. But like, there are certain levels of it that are just preternatural, like Elvis Presley, you know. But lots of people like that.

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  But there are people who say he copied his style off of that guy Otis something.

• 1:02:19Bill Maher?

  Oh, copied. Everybody copies everybody.

• 1:02:21Speaker 04

  Have you seen that incredible artist before? It sounds just like him. Like, if you were to bite a style.

• 1:02:27Bill Maher?

  Everybody in show business steals from who they like are.

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:02:32Bill Maher?

  Okay, it's.

• 1:02:32Speaker 04

  The Beatles were some of the greatest, but they were the Beatles. They were the greatest thieves in history of music.

• 1:02:38Bill Maher?

  Everybody's a thief. We can't feel bad about that.

• 1:02:41Speaker 04

  Very few things are original.

• 1:02:43Bill Maher?

  No. And I would like to say right now that we are standing on land that rightfully belongs to the proud Chumash people.

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:50Bill Maher?

  I feel terrible about it.

• 1:02:52Speaker 04

  But who did they conquer it from, too?

• 1:02:53Bill Maher?

  And I will be giving it back on Monday. No, exactly. Who did they conquer it from? Exactly.

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  It's hard, right? I'm never sure about it. I know that eighty percent of what I think is probably true, twenty percent of what I pretty much think I'm sure about will change. So walk carefully. That's why I think we should all, as human beings, learn to debate with each other in a civilized way.

• 1:03:15Bill Maher?

  And with perspective, one of the stupidest things about wokeness is the absolute abject ignorance about history and putting things into perspective. And so they only see the bad sides of America, which is not to be denied and not to be not taught, of course. But they only see that and they don't realize that because they don't care about history, they don't think it even happened if they weren't alive for it. But if you go back, everybody in history was terrible, horrible, racist, genocidal, like everything.

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  Native Americans had slaves.

• 1:03:57Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 1:03:58Speaker 04

  Black people had slaves.

• 1:03:59Bill Maher?

  Black people gathered the slaves.

• 1:04:03Bill Maher?

  To sell them to the slaves.

• 1:04:05Speaker 04

  Enemies, I mean, white people were slaves.

• 1:04:06Bill Maher?

  I say it many times, humans are not good people. Humans are not good people.

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  Are good people, but they have been awful too. We can't just call humans awful all the time, or else we wouldn't have society.

• 1:04:18Bill Maher?

  Not all the time.

• 1:04:18Speaker 04

  How do we get here?

• 1:04:20Bill Maher?

  Humans are not awful all the time, but if I had to bet, like, on a random situation, it's like, will this human, uh, if it comes down to, like, eat or be eaten, eat, yes, they would. Humans, humans are, you know.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  Creatures survive.

• 1:04:37Bill Maher?

  They survive, exactly.

• 1:04:38Speaker 04

  Can I tell you this much?

• 1:04:40Bill Maher?

  And you can't blame them for it.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  Before I went to the middle, I'm a violent, I'm a radical middle.

• 1:04:46Bill Maher?

  How dare you?

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  I used to get crap from conservatives because I would post things like the massacres of the Taino Indians, of, you know, the Black Wall Street, horrible things that happened to people of color.

• 1:05:02Bill Maher?

  The Tulsa massacre?

• 1:05:03Speaker 04

  The Tulsa, yeah, dude, uh, you know, um, Rosewood, all kinds of things, horrible things.

• 1:05:08Bill Maher?

  Our history is horrible.

• 1:05:09Speaker 04

  And they would say, why are you race baiting? And I'm like, I'm not race baiting, this was not good. You know, and I'm, I'm just saying, I, I just don't want us to forget so that we don't repeat. I'm not trying to, to, to make white people feel bad. I'm trying to say, hey, this happened. Why did this happen? And can we make sure we never let it happen again? And then, when I say anything that's not the left now, if... They're like, what is wrong with you?

• 1:05:39Bill Maher?

  It's...

• 1:05:39Speaker 04

  Are you one of those, what are you, a right winger?

• 1:05:42Bill Maher?

  It's so infuriating.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  Here, here's what, you know, I used to not like certain people on Fox News, and then I, I grew to understand them. So I still kinda, it's hard to take some. Just hard, just because of their, the tone.

• 1:05:53Bill Maher?

  I don't watch any cable news.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  But here's the...

• 1:05:55Bill Maher?

  Jake Tapper, I like Jake.

• 1:05:56Speaker 04

  But, you know, I, I grew to respect Tucker Carlson a lot more, you know?

• 1:06:00Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:06:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And I used, he was one of those people that I couldn't take, especially when he debated Jon Stewart and he got, like, creamed, remember that?

• 1:06:08Bill Maher?

  I can't take him now.

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  Ah, there were some things that he says that I, I get it. Here's my point, I get my conservative friends and I get my liberal friends. And I don't like it when my conservatives paint all liberals as libtards. And my liberal friends paint all conservatives as fascists. It's just not the case.

• 1:06:28Bill Maher?

  That's not the case, but Tucker Carlson is a douchebag and I can, and I can prove it. Because they have his texts during the 2020 election thing when he was saying privately. He under, you know, this is the one they were sued about. Fox News paid something like 787 million dollars to the Dominion voting people, I think.

• 1:06:49Speaker 04

  I've heard things about that that will make you think twice about that. So yes, I know where you're going with that, but you know. Uh, what I don't like is when the news tells me something that before it's figured out. When everybody says that.

• 1:07:01Bill Maher?

  I don't think that's a disputable thing. Fox News definitely did pay over 700 million dollars. To settle a lawsuit because they were saying that the election wasn't kosher. And the texts that we have from Tucker Carlson tell us he knows it too, but he was saying it on the air. There is, I'll give a lot of people a lot of rope, but that is a level I can't go to.

• 1:07:28Speaker 04

  Why don't you have him on this show and ask him about that?

• 1:07:31Bill Maher?

  I would.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  I would love to see that.

• 1:07:32Bill Maher?

  He would never do it because he knows he would be asked about that.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  Maybe not.

• 1:07:36Bill Maher?

  He also went to Russia and pretended that Moscow is someplace where you or I would like to live.

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  I, I went there in 1988. I went there in 1988.

• 1:07:48Bill Maher?

  No bueno.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  And as a person of color, Latino, who has lived with, under the shadow of our community constantly, you know, with babies crying and gunshots and guitars playing all the time in the background.

• 1:08:01Speaker 04

  Stop it. Like, I'm like, sick of this, right? I am sensitive to cultures being like, oh, oh. And so you'd be surprised that Russia may not be the Gulag anymore that it was once considered. That's all. That's all I have to say.

• 1:08:18Bill Maher?

  Well, I couldn't disagree more. You know, I, I find your view of Russians, that's very charitable. And I'm sorry if I'm more of a cynic on that.

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  I just don't think you should paint anyone with a broad brush. I think you really ought to, you owe it to yourself to be a little more. I mean, as your friend, buddy, I'm not just a guest. I like you. I've always liked you.

• 1:08:39Bill Maher?

  We all, whether we want to admit it or not.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  We all have.

• 1:08:42Bill Maher?

  We make generalizations about people who, about basically where their culture, where they are culturally from. And like, we can't admit it publicly, but you know, you have them too.

• 1:08:53Speaker 04

  Listen, when I was a young actor, I actually was, was gonna give myself an Arabic name. Cause in the late seventies, early, listen.

• 1:09:00Bill Maher?

  Anthony Quinn was Mexican. He played Arab.

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  He was Mexican and Irish, and he played Greek so well.

• 1:09:05Bill Maher?

  Greek?

• 1:09:05Speaker 04

  That the Greek people, I use him as an example.

• 1:09:07Bill Maher?

  Yes, you're right.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  Anywhere he went, Greek people started breaking plates. Any restaurant.

• 1:09:12Bill Maher?

  He was Mexican.

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  Dude, I am so proud of that man and my relationship with the Mexican American. I'm a very proud Puerto Rican, but one of my biggest prides is that the Mexican American community acknowledges me as their owner. At least I'm an honorary Chicano.

• 1:09:26Bill Maher?

  Absolutely.

• 1:09:27Speaker 04

  Honorary Chicano. And that's because I don't take their culture for granted.

• 1:09:31Bill Maher?

  If you walked into a Mexican neighborhood or restaurant, it must be like the Beatles in sixty-four.

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  I saw a, like a grown gangster almost cry with the, with the socks and the shorts and the, and the Raiders t-shirt. He says, you're not Mexican? And it was like, it was cognitive dissonance, bro. And I, I was like, I'm, I'm sorry.

• 1:09:51Bill Maher?

  But why is there beef between Puerto Ricans and Mexicans?

• 1:09:53Speaker 04

  All that, there isn't. I, you know, there's beef between any culture that is next to, you know? Like, there's the Mexicans that have sixty percent of all Latino, you know? And then the Puerto Ricans that have like a lot of success for a tiny little island. We're like the Israel of the Caribbean, you know? We have a special relationship with the United States, just not as special as Israel, but it's special.

• 1:10:15Bill Maher?

  Do you think it should be the fifty-first state?

• 1:10:18Speaker 04

  That's a really tough one because I have friends on all three sides and I see all three sides.

• 1:10:22Bill Maher?

  What are the three?

• 1:10:23Speaker 04

  Three sides is be a state and get, you know, contribute federal, you know, taxes and get federal funds. Be independent. We're big boys now, which we were supposed to be.

• 1:10:34Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:10:35Speaker 04

  And and make our own deals, you know, grow up in our own, right? Or stay like we are, a commonwealth, which is kind of like a welfare state in a sense, because we live off the largess, but we don't pay federal income tax.

• 1:10:48Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  And we, you know, I live there now too. More, I'm, it's a very, you know, I'm spending as much time as I can. I'm trying to open a school for underprivileged.

• 1:10:57Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:10:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, we were having talk, you know, people like myself who didn't have money to go to. I went to performing arts high school. Yeah, yeah, well, I wasn't supposed to announce it yet, but the point is I'm trying to do something to help other people who may have passion for the arts, you know, give their talent, because it's not easy.

• 1:11:16Bill Maher?

  I'm telling you, you're deeper than me.

• 1:11:18Speaker 04

  But I feel like I'm beating them to a world that AI is gonna make us all obsolete, you know? Great. It's like my daughter, she wants to be a writer. I was like, oh, my God, in the time of AI where like, you know, they they can copy everything, but now she wants to be a psychiatrist. I go, that's safe.

• 1:11:35Bill Maher?

  I mean.

• 1:11:36Speaker 04

  Psychiatrists, we're always gonna have screwed up people.

• 1:11:38Bill Maher?

  AI, like, right now, June of twenty twenty five, AI can't do what I do.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  Not yet.

• 1:11:45Bill Maher?

  That's what, that's my question. It's like, could it even? Because you certainly can type in, you know, do this as Bill Maher would do it, and it will write a scene, you know, or something.

• 1:11:57Speaker 04

  Bill Maher-ish.

• 1:11:58Bill Maher?

  Yeah. I mean, somebody I know is desperate for me to like voice a cartoon, you know, a big cartoon movie like The Bad Guy.

• 1:12:08Speaker 04

  Or digitize yourself. I've been told to digitize myself just to copyright your own image before other people steal it. When you're gone, when you're dead, you need to leave that to, oh, you don't have.

• 1:12:18Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  Never mind.

• 1:12:22Speaker 04

  It's this thing.

• 1:12:22Bill Maher?

  I don't have kids, I don't believe I'll be, and then they'll be here after I die.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  Your pets will have your estate. You still have all those dogs?

• 1:12:29Bill Maher?

  But we put it into Chat GPT like, like, what would Bill Maher as a cartoon villain? You know, and I, you know, I made some suggestions, and it came out with this character, Smug.

• 1:12:41Speaker 04

  Oh, I was gonna say, I was thinking smarmy assassin.

• 1:12:43Bill Maher?

  And I'm not really smug, but I get why they, and like, it had like the cartoon version of me. And it was like, it was a little scary.

• 1:12:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:53Bill Maher?

  How close it got to something that was actually kind of funny. It had my catchphrase. You know, it it was just, you know, this thing is a genie let out of the bottle.

• 1:13:04Speaker 04

  But to what point will robots replace you? Because how does that benefit them?

• 1:13:09Bill Maher?

  I was asking this on the panel tonight, like, there was a guy on, he was talking about a future that may be jobless, and I was talking to a very good friend of mine, who said, you know, why are you so afraid of the robots and AI eliminating all the jobs? Because AI is quickly eliminating all the jobs. I mean.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  Not all, but yes.

• 1:13:30Bill Maher?

  Well, very close.

• 1:13:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:32Bill Maher?

  I mean, first, the blue collar jobs went, now coding, now they do all that. Driverless cars, it's going to be all truck drivers. And I said, okay, you know, I get it. Why would you want a drudgery kind of job? Great if we liberate ourselves from that, but what do people do? And how do they get money? How do they buy food if there are no jobs, if AI is doing all the jobs?

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  Maybe that's why they say that we're being culled as a population.

• 1:14:00Bill Maher?

  Culled?

• 1:14:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:01Bill Maher?

  Meaning?

• 1:14:02Speaker 04

  Meaning they're trying to lower the population slowly but surely.

• 1:14:05Bill Maher?

  Who is?

• 1:14:07Speaker 04

  The people who want to stay left, running the robots, because they don't want the rest of us, believe me. They don't, there's, I mean, come on, for for for decades now, there's been like a silent war. I see young kids now.

• 1:14:18Bill Maher?

  War against who?

• 1:14:19Speaker 04

  Just the human condition.

• 1:14:21Bill Maher?

  Well, that's so vague. What does that mean?

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, Malthusian, right? Malthus?

• 1:14:25Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 1:14:25Speaker 04

  The guy who's.

• 1:14:26Bill Maher?

  Seventeen ninety-eight.

• 1:14:27Speaker 04

  That's right. He said there were too many people in the world. Do you know that that.

• 1:14:30Bill Maher?

  Well, he said that, he said, population expands exponentially. So he did the chart going up, and he was right. Like, you know, for the first, I don't know, ten thousand years of humans after the agricultural revolution, we were still at like, you know, I don't know, a hundred million or something. And then quickly got to eight billion, like, and then in the last century, it went all the way up to eight. And of course, the more people make, the more rabbits fucking, make more bunnies. And so now we're at eight million. I don't.

• 1:15:04Speaker 04

  John Lennon said something.

• 1:15:07Bill Maher?

  To you?

• 1:15:08Speaker 04

  In my dreams. No, in a video, he said, the world is run by insane people for insane.

• 1:15:12Bill Maher?

  One of your impressions for your act.

• 1:15:14Speaker 04

  No, he's a Scouse, mate. He's a Scouse lad.

• 1:15:17Bill Maher?

  That's pretty good.

• 1:15:17Speaker 04

  But I'm saying, he said something that I tend to agree with.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  If you just didn't like most people, you would tend to wanna promote the notion that there were too many people in order to make people not care about the wanton deaths. Well, there's too many people.

• 1:15:34Bill Maher?

  So you really?

• 1:15:35Speaker 04

  And I'll tell you why, because they were saying that same thing in Plato's age. There were too many people on the planet way back then.

• 1:15:41Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, I found that out. I was like, whoa.

• 1:15:44Bill Maher?

  There was only like 10 people.

• 1:15:46Speaker 04

  No, that's funny, but their world was circumspect, right?

• 1:15:51Bill Maher?

  Well, you know what? Athens was a direct democracy. So they hadn't figured out, well, we could have representatives.

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  Listen.

• 1:15:59Bill Maher?

  So, yes, in a world where your democracy is direct, where everybody votes and they put a pebble, a white or a black pebble, in a pot, and that's how you count the votes, I could see them saying, yeah, we got too many people.

• 1:16:11Speaker 04

  When I'm on the 405, I think there's too many people.

• 1:16:14Bill Maher?

  Well, there definitely.

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? When you're in traffic, it seems like too many people.

• 1:16:18Bill Maher?

  I believe there are too many people.

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  But if everybody in the world had a certain amount of space between them, we could all fit in a certain part of Texas.

• 1:16:25Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but it's not about how many people. It's about resources.

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  No, again, I'm gonna tell you, this is something that I think we've been led to, we've been miseducated on because the whole scarcity notion is maybe another one of those things that we'll find out later, maybe you will. That is being pushed.

• 1:16:49Bill Maher?

  We're already running out of like water.

• 1:16:52Speaker 04

  We were supposed to be running out of oil a long time ago.

• 1:16:54Bill Maher?

  Water, even more basic than oil.

• 1:16:57Speaker 04

  Where's water going?

• 1:16:58Bill Maher?

  What do you mean?

• 1:16:59Speaker 04

  Where does it go?

• 1:16:59Bill Maher?

  Water? Well, it goes, a lot of it in California to irrigate crops, which we shouldn't.

• 1:17:05Speaker 04

  And then where does it go? It's like carbon.

• 1:17:07Bill Maher?

  And then, well, there's a finite amount because it falls from the sky.

• 1:17:11Speaker 04

  And where does it go? It goes to the ocean where it evaporates again. We're in this closed loop. It's not like we're losing water, it's never coming back.

• 1:17:18Bill Maher?

  But enough of it, but more people. Are you saying there's an infinite amount of people? That water on Earth could supplant?

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  Not infinite amount, but it's a lot less. Like Elon Musk, you know, like him or hate him, has been talking about population collapse.

• 1:17:34Bill Maher?

  Yes, I don't get that.

• 1:17:36Speaker 04

  I do. Look at Japan, look at Korea.

• 1:17:38Bill Maher?

  I'm on the other side of that.

• 1:17:39Speaker 04

  There are places now

• 1:17:40Bill Maher?

  Too many people.

• 1:17:41Speaker 04

  That people are dying more than they're recreating, and now kids are scared. Young men and women are not getting together like they used to be.

• 1:17:48Bill Maher?

  You know what? That's true.

• 1:17:50Speaker 04

  Can we do a shot? I will, I will bless the shot.

• 1:17:52Bill Maher?

  A shot?

• 1:17:52Speaker 04

  I will bless.

• 1:17:53Bill Maher?

  My shot days are over, but I'll, I'll pour another one.

• 1:17:56Speaker 04

  Pour me a half a shot.

• 1:17:58Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:17:58Speaker 04

  Half a shot, because I'm gonna show off now.

• 1:18:01Bill Maher?

  Um, what do you do? Show off?

• 1:18:03Speaker 04

  Cause I'm not a Jew.

• 1:18:04Bill Maher?

  What is that?

• 1:18:05Speaker 04

  I'm Jew-ish.

• 1:18:06Bill Maher?

  You're not Jewish.

• 1:18:07Speaker 04

  I, I, I respect, I respect.

• 1:18:08Bill Maher?

  You can't.

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  Says who?

• 1:18:11Bill Maher?

  Are you, are you not Jewish?

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  Baruch atah, Adonai, Luchenu, Melech Ha'lem, Ha'mereshay.

• 1:18:14Bill Maher?

  Well, you probably learned that for a part.

• 1:18:17Speaker 04

  Pre, agafen.

• 1:18:18Bill Maher?

  See, you could play a Jew.

• 1:18:21Speaker 04

  I did in nineteen eighty-nine.

• 1:18:22Bill Maher?

  Who?

• 1:18:23Speaker 04

  I played a Polish Jewish Argentine pimp. Hello. Zico Borenstein in a movie that never made it to the United States.

• 1:18:30Bill Maher?

  Hey, you know, the, the actor Isaac, I, I mean.

• 1:18:33Speaker 04

  Oscar Isaac. Brilliant, brilliant guy.

• 1:18:35Bill Maher?

  That's what I was gonna say. Oscar Isaac. And, uh, yeah.

• 1:18:40Speaker 04

  I should've named myself Isai Isaac or something, right?

• 1:18:43Bill Maher?

  You know what? I always thought he was Jewish, because the name sounds so Jewish to me.

• 1:18:47Speaker 04

  He's part, I think, Guatemalan or something.

• 1:18:48Bill Maher?

  No, I, I saw him on Saturday Night Live. He hosted. I'm a big fan.

• 1:18:51Speaker 04

  He's great.

• 1:18:52Bill Maher?

  He's a great actor.

• 1:18:53Speaker 04

  I love him, I love him.

• 1:18:54Bill Maher?

  And, you know, working your side of the street, nice guy, nice looking guy, tan. And, uh, he's like, and I was surprised to learn in his monologue, he said, my real name is, you know, and then he had two.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  Oscar Isaac, like Hernandez or something?

• 1:19:08Bill Maher?

  Yes, like he had two names, two, like, two Hispanic names.

• 1:19:11Speaker 04

  He's a real Latino.

• 1:19:12Bill Maher?

  And then he said, uh, you know, of course, they made me. I'm like, nobody made you.

• 1:19:18Speaker 04

  Let me tell you something.

• 1:19:18Bill Maher?

  Shut the fuck up. Nobody made you.

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  Listen, it helps.

• 1:19:21Bill Maher?

  Oh, stop it.

• 1:19:22Speaker 04

  Listen, my middle name is Manuel. If I came out as Manny Morales, do you think?

• 1:19:25Bill Maher?

  Maybe back in that, maybe, maybe back in the day.

• 1:19:29Speaker 04

  You sound like a Jewish garment worker, Manny Epstein. It's just not like, I mean, Jewish actors change their name because it didn't sound like.

• 1:19:36Bill Maher?

  No, he was Hispanic. He, anyway, he was.

• 1:19:39Speaker 04

  John Wayne was Marion Ro, whatever, you know?

• 1:19:41Bill Maher?

  I thought he was Jewish, and when he, and when he said on his monologue that he was Hispanic, the audience like burst into applause. You know, as if to say, thank God, thank God you're not white. He's been saved. Anything's better than that. He's, we found out he's Hispanic. That's awesome.

• 1:20:00Speaker 04

  Dude, I'm really proud.

• 1:20:01Bill Maher?

  It's just.

• 1:20:02Speaker 04

  I'm really proud of a lot of actors now that are Latino that are being accepted, embraced. I mean, Pedro Pascal is like on fire, you know?

• 1:20:10Bill Maher?

  Exactly.

• 1:20:11Speaker 04

  Everything he does is amazing. Benito del Toro has a movie coming out right now.

• 1:20:15Bill Maher?

  It's not an impediment in show business. It really isn't.

• 1:20:19Speaker 04

  Yes and no. Now, now, now I'm gonna like.

• 1:20:20Bill Maher?

  It was when you started.

• 1:20:22Speaker 04

  Let me give you, let me give you a little something.

• 1:20:23Bill Maher?

  It was when you started a little bit.

• 1:20:24Speaker 04

  Raul Julia, man, one of my.

• 1:20:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah, it happened.

• 1:20:28Speaker 04

  Biggest heroes, right?

• 1:20:28Bill Maher?

  John Leguizamo did.

• 1:20:29Speaker 04

  Guizamo?

• 1:20:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:32Speaker 04

  Let me just say that, um, oh, there was something, but the tequila just knocked, derailed my train of thought.

• 1:20:38Bill Maher?

  Um, I did that all the time. We have a, we're putting together a, a highlight reel of me just saying, what were we talking about?

• 1:20:45Speaker 04

  I now I remember. Thank you for saying that.

• 1:20:47Bill Maher?

  Oh, jeez. But that's the.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  It's not like they're writing great stuff. It, it's, it's few and far in between the characters.

• 1:20:56Bill Maher?

  Who's that?

• 1:20:56Speaker 04

  Ever, the, the industry.

• 1:20:59Bill Maher?

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:20:59Speaker 04

  Choosers of material.

• 1:21:01Bill Maher?

  Yep.

• 1:21:02Speaker 04

  Um, for some reason, I'm still a bad guy more than not.

• 1:21:07Speaker 04

  And I think I could play good guy, but I think I'm considered boring if I'm a good guy. I don't know.

• 1:21:12Bill Maher?

  You could play anything. I mean, I saw you.

• 1:21:14Speaker 04

  I thank you.

• 1:21:15Bill Maher?

  I saw you in the Ayn Rand movie, which, you know, if people don't know Ayn Rand, kids, you should really like Google this one. Ayn, A Y N, Rand. And she was this woman in the 50s, wrote a couple of very long novels. And I guess, and I guess some books of philosophy. Anyway, she's very influential. You should Google her because, um, she kind of, depending on your view of it, uh, promulgated this view that society was being held back by the losers. And that just the winner type people, and you're like, there are winners and losers, should just be a little more ruthless

• 1:21:55Bill Maher?

  in how they take control. And so that's what the Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged are really about. And.

• 1:22:03Speaker 04

  Is that what you thought it was about? I kinda thought it was her response to communism, the excesses of communism.

• 1:22:09Bill Maher?

  Well communism is, and that's why it has resonance and did, because communism is even worse in the other direction. Evening things out, and she's saying life is for the, society is for the exceptional, and we shouldn't apologize for it.

• 1:22:23Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:22:23Bill Maher?

  And communism is the exact opposite. Everybody's equal.

• 1:22:27Speaker 04

  But Jordan Peterson says the equality of outcome, as opposed to...

• 1:22:31Bill Maher?

  Yes, yes, no.

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  Communism is the worst. When I was younger, I always felt sympathy for communists and socialists, because I thought, okay, if I had to pick an ism, right? Socialism and capitalism, where am I gonna pick? Capitalism is about capital, socialism is about people, I thought, social, right? I thought, okay, capital can't love ya, people can. And I was, I figured, okay, I'm on the side of socialism. And then as I get older, you know, and opinions change and things, you know, life happens, I realized that if you try to be fair too much, you can become unfair. And if you take away people's incentive to strive,

• 1:23:14Speaker 04

  then nobody wants to do good, because if you're gonna work harder than me, and I'm gonna get paid the same as you, then you're not gonna work as hard, because after a while, you're gonna feel like an idiot.

• 1:23:24Bill Maher?

  I, I mean...

• 1:23:24Speaker 04

  And that's what I'm saying, like, and then I thought to myself, I said, okay, capitalism, communism, you know, it's still cronyism. No matter where you go, whether it's Cuba, or this, Russia, China, if you're part of the CCP, or if you're part of the ruling party, you got it good.

• 1:23:40Bill Maher?

  But it's worse.

• 1:23:42Speaker 04

  I agree, but I'm saying...

• 1:23:43Bill Maher?

  It is always cronyism, but there are levels to it. And one reason why America was America and the greatest is because we kept cronyism to shoe level. Whereas it was just all what communism was.

• 1:23:57Speaker 04

  Can I tell you something? I used to be terrified of the communists, the Chinese, I didn't want the social credit score, I still don't.

• 1:24:03Bill Maher?

  I'm still terrified of the Chinese.

• 1:24:04Speaker 04

  And there are people in our society, oligarchs, that want us to follow that, because...

• 1:24:08Bill Maher?

  Oh my god.

• 1:24:08Speaker 04

  They want, they wanna be on top of the world.

• 1:24:10Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:24:11Speaker 04

  And they like the Chinese model, because they keep their people kind of in control, but at the same time...

• 1:24:15Bill Maher?

  Kind of in control.

• 1:24:15Speaker 04

  Listen, listen, listen, listen, there's more people...

• 1:24:18Bill Maher?

  They keep their people very much in control.

• 1:24:20Speaker 04

  Yet...

• 1:24:21Bill Maher?

  No substitution.

• 1:24:22Speaker 04

  Yet, hang on, guess what I'm finding out, okay, that blew my mind. When they buy a house, they don't have to pay property taxes till they lose it. It's theirs. When they, they have less people in prison per capita than we do. We have more people in prison than China has. It's like, we are in prison too.

• 1:24:44Bill Maher?

  That's true.

• 1:24:45Speaker 04

  With our own, like, like, let's not get it twisted. Let's always keep some sort of mental thing to realize that we're in our own prisons with, with, with materialism, with drugs.

• 1:24:55Bill Maher?

  Trust me.

• 1:24:55Speaker 04

  With, with pleasure, you know, like, come on. We don't take care of our own.

• 1:25:00Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:25:00Speaker 04

  We don't.

• 1:25:01Bill Maher?

  Okay, but.

• 1:25:03Speaker 04

  We have veterans on the street. And then we have people that, that, that break our laws, that, that are getting taken care of, like, that, that.

• 1:25:08Bill Maher?

  You, you don't wanna.

• 1:25:09Speaker 04

  That makes conservatives angry. I'm not saying I wanna live in China, but I can't tell you how many friends.

• 1:25:15Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:25:15Speaker 04

  That love living in Shanghai. For some reason, it is more modern, it is more popular, I don't know.

• 1:25:20Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, no, if you're, okay.

• 1:25:21Speaker 04

  I'm just saying.

• 1:25:22Bill Maher?

  Unless you want to speak freely, then you will run afoul of the state, unless you want to speak freely.

• 1:25:28Speaker 04

  And that's where I, I agree with you a hundred percent.

• 1:25:30Bill Maher?

  If you're one of those people like, you know what, I don't even follow politics, I just want business to be good. You're good. You wouldn't like it, that's not who you are.

• 1:25:39Speaker 04

  I agree with you.

• 1:25:39Bill Maher?

  You wouldn't wanna live in China.

• 1:25:41Speaker 04

  But I also don't wanna live in a, in a world that kids itself as to how free it is. My biggest complaint with America.

• 1:25:47Bill Maher?

  And I don't wanna live in a world that kids itself, that there aren't actual, serious, important differences. There's a reason why we like it here.

• 1:25:56Speaker 04

  But how many of us have traveled the world at the same time, I have to say. I don't want our greatest export to be the illusion of freedom.

• 1:26:07Bill Maher?

  We, we are.

• 1:26:08Speaker 04

  Because you're free unless you threaten the pharmaceutical interests.

• 1:26:11Bill Maher?

  We are, we are.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  Unless you threaten the bankers, unless you threaten the military industrial complex, look what they did to Kennedy.

• 1:26:16Bill Maher?

  Tell me a, tell me a conspiracy theory you don't believe.

• 1:26:19Speaker 04

  Oh my god, you know which ones?

• 1:26:22Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:26:22Speaker 04

  The whole concept of conspiracy theory to me is brilliant because it's the way a certain agency and others have of hiding the truth in garbage. So they come up with a lot of garbage so that the truth looks indistinguishable.

• 1:26:35Bill Maher?

  There is that, but there also is sometimes just real garbage, right?

• 1:26:39Speaker 04

  They create a lot of it.

• 1:26:41Bill Maher?

  But but even stuff they haven't created, sometimes garbage is garbage.

• 1:26:45Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 1:26:45Bill Maher?

  Okay, good.

• 1:26:46Speaker 04

  I don't know everything either. Maybe there was, maybe whatever happened there had a reason for it. Maybe the people who want to call the earth have a reason for it that I'm not aware.

• 1:26:58Bill Maher?

  What about the moon landing?

• 1:27:00Speaker 04

  That's another thing, I I'm just.

• 1:27:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, no.

• 1:27:02Speaker 04

  I'm telling you.

• 1:27:03Bill Maher?

  Not the moon.

• 1:27:04Speaker 04

  I'm telling you.

• 1:27:05Bill Maher?

  We lost the moon.

• 1:27:07Speaker 04

  I'm telling you. Have you seen the videos that come back of that stuff that looked like like a really bad sci fi? Tell me why today, when we have in our on our cell phones, the same computing power that people had in a building at IBM, right, in the sixties? And we go, why haven't we been back? Well, we lost the technology. Do you buy that, honestly?

• 1:27:28Bill Maher?

  No, nobody says that.

• 1:27:30Speaker 04

  They said that, NASA said that.

• 1:27:32Bill Maher?

  Nobody says that.

• 1:27:33Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:27:33Bill Maher?

  Nobody says that. What they say is we lost the will.

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  No, no, they actually did. Video, I'll show it to you later.

• 1:27:40Bill Maher?

  Well, whoever said that was just on drugs.

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  Why did we lose the will?

• 1:27:44Bill Maher?

  We didn't, why did we lose the will? First of all, because, oh, I'll tell you why. We went to the moon like, I don't know, ten times or something, maybe five, I don't know, but we went the first time, you know, it was like anything in show business. First one was great. First one got a lot of hits. And then, you know, the second one was like, okay, well, we've seen this before. It's awesome. I mean, it's amazing. We congratulate you on your technological prowess here in 1970, but you just basically did the same thing. You flew a rocket up to the moon, you you landed and then you got got back safely to earth.

• 1:28:20Speaker 04

  You realized there was no, the real estate wasn't good, there wasn't pools.

• 1:28:23Bill Maher?

  There's nothing. So it was either like, where does this series go next? And George Bush used to talk about. But we're gonna go to Mars and, you know, we're gonna, and because if we started from the moon, it would be easier because we were already without gravity, you know, so we're just flying right into space.

• 1:28:39Speaker 04

  Some gravity, not as much.

• 1:28:40Bill Maher?

  Not much, not as much as Earth. So, uh, okay, that would be next. I'm not for that, by the way, but that would be next if there was something, but like, the series just ended because we couldn't get to Mars. We didn't have that technology. And we also just, what the fuck? Well, why we keep going back to the moon? Okay, we got a rock. We know. It's just this fucking barren thing that was a piece of the Earth four billion years ago and flew off. And, okay.

• 1:29:09Speaker 04

  Do you know what bothered me as a child? And then I'll tell you another concept. When you see the rocket ship.

• 1:29:14Bill Maher?

  Santa Claus? This all goes back to Santa Claus?

• 1:29:17Speaker 04

  I was like, how you get down that chimney and not get dirty?

• 1:29:20Bill Maher?

  Why did they tell me about Santa Claus?

• 1:29:21Speaker 04

  What's going on? No, but Santa Claus is real. Anyway.

• 1:29:28Speaker 04

  You haven't heard? So anyway, the point is, as a kid, I never, no, this is just as a child.

• 1:29:34Bill Maher?

  Good to wrap this up.

• 1:29:36Speaker 04

  Okay. I never knew why the rocket would take off. There's the moon. And it would always go away. And we never see it. Like, we can see the moon, and we never see it. Like, nobody saw it from a periscope, like, their own, you know, telescope actually landing. Never, never, anything of that. And if you look at the module.

• 1:29:56Bill Maher?

  Wait, a telescope would not see something that...

• 1:29:58Speaker 04

  Dude, this telescope sees things now going, your iPhone.

• 1:30:02Bill Maher?

  No, no, no.

• 1:30:02Speaker 04

  You, you, you blow up your iPhone.

• 1:30:04Bill Maher?

  A telescope in nineteen sixty-nine could not see something as small as our spaceship.

• 1:30:10Speaker 04

  Is that the last time we went to the moon, sixty-nine?

• 1:30:12Bill Maher?

  Around that. No, we went in the early seventies.

• 1:30:15Speaker 04

  I'm just saying, there are things that fly.

• 1:30:17Bill Maher?

  Well, I'm just saying that's not a good point.

• 1:30:19Speaker 04

  There was a time, if you ask Native Americans and before, there was a time before the moon. There was a school of thought. Again, I don't necessarily believe everything. I consider everything. There's a school of thought that says the moon was not always there. It's not, I know, again.

• 1:30:33Bill Maher?

  Well, it wasn't. It wasn't always there.

• 1:30:35Speaker 04

  It's not part of the Earth. It's not like a piece that just broke off and then... Came perfectly.

• 1:30:40Bill Maher?

  That's exactly what it is. It's it's the, you know, not to.

• 1:30:44Speaker 04

  We've got to hang out.

• 1:30:45Bill Maher?

  Make this a history lesson, but.

• 1:30:47Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:30:47Bill Maher?

  According to the Big Bang.

• 1:30:49Speaker 04

  Native Americans knew the time before the moon.

• 1:30:51Bill Maher?

  No, the universe, the Big Bang is fourteen billion years ago approximately. Uh, then, um, matter cooled for two hundred million years. And then, um, the stars started to form. Earth was formed about four billion years ago, so about ten billion years after the Big Bang. And the moon was probably a piece of it or some, you know, it's just. It's all just fucking rocks.

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  But how do you know this?

• 1:31:19Bill Maher?

  Oh, we don't know this.

• 1:31:20Speaker 04

  Ah, okay.

• 1:31:21Bill Maher?

  No, no, no.

• 1:31:21Speaker 04

  Therein lies the rub.

• 1:31:24Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 1:31:24Speaker 04

  I don't know anything either, but.

• 1:31:26Bill Maher?

  Certainly not.

• 1:31:26Speaker 04

  You can admit that. We can agree on that.

• 1:31:28Bill Maher?

  Certainly not the Big Bang thing, because that is theoretical astrophysics. You're right. I am absolutely trusting that Neil deGrasse Tyson knows better than the priest I had when I was a child. Okay. Okay, so, no, and he could, it could be wrong, and scientific theories are proved wrong, and that one. But they, they seem to think why the earth, the universe would have started that way. Seems inconceivable, but whatever. They seem to know, seem to think they have. Stuff that they know, and I know how they basically.

• 1:32:00Speaker 04

  What caused the Big Bang?

• 1:32:02Bill Maher?

  Well, exactly. That question can never be answered. And they, and they don't try, astrophysicists don't try to answer that question. That's not their job. And.

• 1:32:10Speaker 04

  What is their job?

• 1:32:12Bill Maher?

  Their job is to, is to decipher as well as they can what happened. To create the universe and what the, what the universe is now.

• 1:32:20Speaker 04

  That's the question. What happened to create the universe?

• 1:32:23Bill Maher?

  Again, they're not, they're not interested in that. That's not their thing. And none of us can know. No, no, it's that they're not saying that they're responsible for that, and they're not. No one could be. We don't know. If, if the Big Bang was fourteen billion years ago, why, why start things off that way? And why then, and what happened before? And those questions you will never answer.

• 1:32:43Speaker 04

  Exactly. And, and my answer to that is, I don't care. I just want to live a good life.

• 1:32:48Bill Maher?

  I said the exact same thing.

• 1:32:49Speaker 04

  I don't care.

• 1:32:50Bill Maher?

  I don't care, because I'll never know.

• 1:32:51Speaker 04

  Just saying, there's a lot that we don't know, and so I just wish that we were all gentle to each other as human beings. And we only have so much on this planet. It's the ants in the jar analogy. You know, they say red army ants and black ants get together, they're in a jar, there's no problem. When somebody shakes the jar, they kill each other.

• 1:33:09Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:33:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, our jar is being shaken so much.

• 1:33:12Bill Maher?

  By who?

• 1:33:13Speaker 04

  I don't know. Maybe the people who want to see us fight each other instead of them.

• 1:33:17Bill Maher?

  Maybe it's us. Maybe we need to look in the mirror. Maybe we're all just humans, and it's our nature to be this way.

• 1:33:24Speaker 04

  How about this?

• 1:33:25Bill Maher?

  I mean, I don't know. Some of it is we're being manipulated, and some of it is just us.

• 1:33:30Speaker 04

  Let me tell you about the Taíno Indians when Columbus came in. The Taíno Indians and the arrowwax.

• 1:33:35Bill Maher?

  I've heard of them. Arrowwax, I heard of them.

• 1:33:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, Taíno are the ones that were specific to our island, and I think some of the Dominican Republic. Columbus wrote about them. He goes, "These are beautiful people. They're of copper skin. They're very healthy."

• 1:33:47Bill Maher?

  Did Columbus get to Puerto Rico?

• 1:33:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh yeah, that was his second trip.

• 1:33:50Bill Maher?

  Really? Where did he stay?

• 1:33:51Speaker 04

  Uh, at the Hyatt, I think. No, I think, no, at the convento, sorry. Hyatt was after. Anyway, he said, "These are beautiful people. They share everything they have. They don't have, like, they don't, you know, they're very peaceful, they're loving, they're just, with fifty men, we can make them do whatever we want." And I'm thinking a different mindset took over. I think human beings can be loving.

• 1:34:17Bill Maher?

  They can.

• 1:34:17Speaker 04

  And we are generally good people. But we're farmed by people who don't believe in themselves, much less us. So that's my thing.

• 1:34:26Bill Maher?

  Well, we're just animals.

• 1:34:29Speaker 04

  Our countries are like farms. It's like the mob, "Hey, you control this territory, I control that territory."

• 1:34:35Bill Maher?

  We're just animals, and when you introduce the element of fear. All bets are off.

• 1:34:41Speaker 04

  Can we agree on that?

• 1:34:43Bill Maher?

  Yes, I mean, if we were, you know, crashed on a plane, just you and I in the Andes, one of us would eat the other. I'm just saying.

• 1:34:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, but I'm of the thought that we would take our time and look to avoid that.

• 1:35:01Bill Maher?

  Of course, first. I'm not saying on day two I'd eat you. Of course I wouldn't eat you on day two.

• 1:35:10Speaker 04

  Stop being the killer white male.

• 1:35:12Bill Maher?

  We try to fucking find a better solution.

• 1:35:15Speaker 04

  They say, "Oh, we both, you know..."

• 1:35:17Bill Maher?

  All right. It's great to see you.

• 1:35:20Speaker 04

  Bill.

• 1:35:20Bill Maher?

  I hope this is the beginning of many times in the future since we missed too many years.

• 1:35:27Speaker 04

  I've had some really wonderful times.

• 1:35:28Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:29Speaker 04

  This is the ultimate man cave, by the way.

• 1:35:31Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:35:32Speaker 04

  No?

• 1:35:33Bill Maher?

  No, no, it is. I want to see you back here.

• 1:35:41Bill Maher?

  I'm so glad we did this.

• 1:35:42Speaker 04

  I was terrified I was going to cancel myself. I hope I haven't.

• 1:35:46Bill Maher?

  You know what? I think you gotta lean into that shit.

• 1:35:49Speaker 04

  A little bit, but you know.

• 1:35:50Bill Maher?

  Because like, what do they get?

• 1:35:51Speaker 04

  You have to have X amount of money.

• 1:35:52Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:49Speaker 03

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