KHC 218 - Matt Johnson

Matt Johnson - American endurance runner, ultramarathoner, and former Iowa National Guard veteran who transitioned into full-time athletics after leaving the military. Based in Austin, Texas, he is known for his mental toughness, high-volume training, and participation in ultramarathons, marathons, and Ironman triathlons. He gained attention for his inspiring endurance challenges, including running across Texas, and promotes perseverance, discipline, and pushing personal limits. Follow Matt: https://www.instagram.com/mattjohnson__ Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Intro, Controversy After Mark Dowdle’s Episode, & More 00:00:00 – Intro & Struggles that Shaped Matt’s Life 00:10:02 – Moving to Texas with Nothing 00:13:01 – Ketone-IQ, Growing up Racing Go-Carts, & Visual Learning 00:18:55 – Building Partnerships & Being Authentic 00:28:33 – Learning from The Nelk Boys 00:33:28 – Jelly Roll’s Fitness Journey 00:35:35 – Pace Shaming is Over 00:38:58 – Matt’s Mom’s Work Ethic While Growing Up 00:42:31 – Who’s Inspired Matt 00:46:13 – Internet Beef & DMing People on Instagram 00:50:05 – Truett, Leadville, & Having a Ride-or-Die in Life 00:54:15 – Basing Work Around Family 00:59:10 – Seeing Others Win 01:06:44 – Matt’s Goals: Noble Protein 01:13:08 – Dealing with Hate from Outsiders 01:21:48 – Hate From James Lawrence 01:35:13 – F**k, Marry, Kill: Nicotine, Crispy Creme, & McDonalds 01:37:34 – Forward is Still a Pace: Day by Day 01:45:29 – Matt’s Experience in Oregon: Lift. Run. Shoot. 01:50:03 – “Hogwatch” & Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off ALP: https://alppouch.com/ use code CAM for 10% off your first order Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 15% off Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  This is the Keep Hammering Collective with Matt Johnson.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 0:21Cameron Hanes?

  How you doing?

• 0:21Speaker 01

  I'm good. I'm good. Long time, uh, long time listener, first time caller, friend of the show.

• 0:27Cameron Hanes?

  No, no, no, no. Friend of the show means you're a dumb fuck.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 0:32Cameron Hanes?

  You're not a friend of the show.

• 0:33Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm not. Big, big not friend of the show.

• 0:36Cameron Hanes?

  Cause we have, we have somebody we reference as a friend of the show, but not really a friend.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  Ah, alright.

• 0:43Cameron Hanes?

  But it's good to have you here. You are a friend. And yeah, I've been, I mean, we've been talking about getting you up here to lift, run, shoot and podcast for, God, it's been a couple of years now?

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's been a while.

• 0:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 0:55Speaker 01

  It's been a while.

• 0:56Cameron Hanes?

  And you're here.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I am here.

• 0:57Cameron Hanes?

  Welcome.

• 0:58Speaker 01

  Thank you. It is, uh, it's surreal. It's a blessing to be here. And, uh, yeah, I mean, we'll, we'll talk all about it.

• 1:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I just want to say out of the gate, um, I was telling my wife this, this morning, um, I've just been so impressed with you and your brand building ability. It is really hard to build a brand, a personal brand. And you've done amazing at it. You get engagement. You get people that care about you. You're authentic. You are positive. And, um, yeah, I mean, I know we've said on our shit talkers, we've had comments on, you know, what you've done and what you do, but it's kind of like James said, no, he wants us to talk shit about it. So I'm like, okay.

• 1:43Cameron Hanes?

  But it's not true shit talk because I do, as I said, I respect just the effort and the vision you've had and how it's, you know, you're at 1.1 million followers on Instagram and that's just one of the platforms. But I've just been impressed with what you do. And I just wanted to say that on here. And it's just, it's really good to get you here and learn more about you. And I think people that listen in are gonna be fans of you after this. So.

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I appreciate that. It's, um,

• 2:14Speaker 01

  just like I told you, you know, like, I mean, I guess to tell people, you know, I found Cam in 2021, early. And listen to your, I would listen to your book when I would run and I was training for the Leadville 100, my first ever ultra. No fucking business being there. But it's just, yeah, it's surreal, you know, to, to look up to people like I looked up to you and, and saw what you were doing. And I had no plans of at that point, you know, being here. And it's just really cool to, you know, you see it in the movies and you see it in the, you know, reading the books and, you know, but actually living your life, setting a plan and then being in the same room as the people that you looked up to. And, and, you know, I, I was just recently at, uh,

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Greg, the CEO of Bloom. I was at his house and lifted with him and I, uh, we, we got a photo and I posted it afterwards and I was like, you know, this year has been all about being in rooms that I used to think I didn't belong in.

• 3:13Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 3:14Speaker 01

  And, you know, I think that's a statement to everybody that, you know, it doesn't, you, I'm just a normal person. Yeah, I'm, I'm just a small town kid from Iowa and, you know, I, I saw a vision. I molded that vision and, you know, was blessed by God to, you know, keep moving forward every single day. And I made the fucking choice to do it. And here I am. And anyone else can do that as well.

• 3:39Cameron Hanes?

  What, what was the key to that journey, do you think?

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Putting my back against the wall.

• 3:44Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, cause, cause everybody wants that.

• 3:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:46Cameron Hanes?

  Right? Everybody wants, can I get respect? Can somebody listen to me? Can successful people care about what I'm doing?

• 3:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:53Cameron Hanes?

  And it's really hard to go from, I was a small town, just like you, just right out of, out of town here, but small town kid who, you know, big dreams weren't a thing. It's like, if you, if you shared a big dream, people would be like, you're not fucking going anywhere.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  That's why we're so similar.

• 4:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So it's, uh, what was the key to, to this real, to this vision happening?

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously, you know, most people know my story, you know, I got, I got married super young and, you know, there's no foul things to say, right? We were just young.

• 4:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  And, you know, I went through a divorce and at the same time got out of the military. And I tell the story a lot and it was, it was rock bottom. And I was sitting in my bedroom at home upstairs and I was gonna kill myself. Like I had, I had, I had a shotgun in my lap and I was gonna end my life.

• 4:48Cameron Hanes?

  Why?

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Because I had felt like as a man, I had failed. Because at that.

• 4:53Cameron Hanes?

  How old were you?

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Uh, that was 28.

• 4:56Cameron Hanes?

  Pretty young.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Three years ago.

• 4:58Cameron Hanes?

  Pretty young to consider yourself a failure.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  February, yeah, February of, of 2023. And, you know, to me, it was like, as a man, you know, like you, you, you're in a marriage and, you know, you have a job to do. And I didn't do that job correctly. And I was a very bad person. And at the same time, I had toxic leadership within the military that was telling me that if I exited the military, that that was the worst decision I could ever make, that I would never amount to anything. I would never be anything. Like, I sat in the office of my master sergeant who sat across from me and told me that I was a piece of shit. And that if I left, I was going to be nothing but a failure.

• 5:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, that's, that's less about you actually, and more about him just trying to keep guys.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:41Cameron Hanes?

  You know, cause you know how many guys go in and talk to, and you gotta talk out of quitting and,

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:46Cameron Hanes?

  you know, whatever. So I think it was, I don't know if he really thought you were a loser or just, he's gotta keep guys in there.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:52Cameron Hanes?

  You know what I mean? But I understand. That's not fun to hear.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it was that same, you know, and it was all in the same week, you know, and it was just.

• 5:58Cameron Hanes?

  The divorce?

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Of, of, of, of my, my wife at the time, meeting me and saying like, like this was on a, on a, on a Tuesday. And it was her meeting me saying, we're getting divorced. This is over. She left the house. I haven't seen her since. And then it was Wednesday of me having that conversation because I was already beginning that process. And it was Friday that I sat up in my bedroom. And I didn't ever plan on coming back down those stairs. I didn't. And I had a friend who was in Austin at the time. And I can't remember now if he sent me a text or he called me or what. And my phone went off and I looked at it and he's like, how you doing? And I just remember looking at it and I was like,

• 6:43Speaker 01

  and I texted him and I was like, I'm coming to Austin. And I was like, I'll tell you, I'll, I'll tell you when I get there. You know, but it was that one ding that just kept me there for some reason.

• 6:54Cameron Hanes?

  And that's what's so hard.

• 6:58Cameron Hanes?

  You know, that's, that maybe that text saved your life.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:02Cameron Hanes?

  How do you know when to send that text as a friend? You know what I mean?

• 7:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:06Cameron Hanes?

  Cause you hear stories like this and then maybe you hear that it didn't go that, maybe the text came too late.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:11Cameron Hanes?

  And then you're just like, why didn't I reach out earlier?

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:15Cameron Hanes?

  So what do you think about that? When you think of that, that text came in, distracted you for a moment, then you thought about your friend.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:25Cameron Hanes?

  Well, how do you, how does that make sense?

• 7:27Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, I, I don't believe, you know, I believe in this, yeah, I look at it, I look at it.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  It's hard to, to say this in the right way, but I look at it as, you know, there's a lot of, this, this world is not our final destination. Right? And I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. And I don't believe that, that God does anybody wrong. This world is, is of the devil.

• 7:53Cameron Hanes?

  Right?

• 7:53Speaker 01

  But I believe that, that that was God saving my life and putting that on his heart to reach out. Right? And that, how that can come out in, in the wrong way as well, right? Because well, why, why didn't he, you know, why didn't the other guy get saved?

• 8:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Right? So I don't, I don't mean it like that, but because this world is, is evil. And, you know, but for me, looking at it, the way that I look at it, I don't know. But the only way that I can explain it is that was, that was God trying to tell me that, hey, right now is not, this is not it. And, you know,

• 8:25Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 8:27Cameron Hanes?

  And what happened after that?

• 8:29Speaker 01

  I packed a single Nike bag and my dog, Ash, and I drove to Austin and I had $3,000 in my bank account. And I went to Harrison Zocker's Airbnb and who is my friend that texted me, incredible Midwest kid as well. And I got to the Airbnb and I told him and he was just like, holy shit. And I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do, but you know, I'm here. Like I'm gonna, and I remember calling my mom on the way down to Austin. Dramatic, right? This is gonna be dramatic. But I was like, mom, I'm, I'm gonna either do this or I'm gonna sleep under a bridge. I was like, I'm gonna figure it out. And just like I told you on the run this morning, you know, that my goal was to become an online coach.

• 9:14Speaker 01

  That was what I thought. At the time I had like 20,000 followers on Instagram. And, but going back to the original question is you're like, you know, how did you do it? Right? Or, you know, how did you, how did you get here? How did everyone else get here? The moral, excuse me, the moral of this story is I chose to put my back against the wall, where I didn't have a choice.

• 9:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  You know, and that was the biggest thing is. I didn't, I just, I didn't have a choice and, and, and I convinced myself of that. And I don't know if it was the, you know, the mental strength, the mental fortitude, you know, the military traits that I had learned, but I told myself like, I don't have a choice. This is it. I have $3,000. I had to figure it out or I have to sleep under a bridge.

• 9:55Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  And, you know, from that point, I stayed in five Airbnbs over 61 days.

• 10:01Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  And ran out of money. I had, at that point, my mom had brought down my Ironman bike. Because I had left that because I had just done Ironman Texas.

• 10:11Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  No, I'm sorry. I, I had done Ironman Des Moines back home. My mom had brought my Ironman bike down. And I took that bike and I sold it. And I put a deposit down on a duplex.

• 10:22Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 10:22Speaker 01

  And I slept on the floor for three months of that duplex ghetto ass duplex on the east side. My truck got stolen out of my driveway. My brick got thrown through my window and they stole my wallet. I, I got my military ID was stolen. My service dog ID was stolen. Like every, like, there was just so much bad shit.

• 10:38Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  And slowly, sure enough, like I just started posting on my Instagram and I was like, you know, these are my accolades. You know, I, I, I've been running for this long. Like I'll, I'll coach you. I'll coach you. I'll coach you. And I had a hundred dollars a month and I bought a couch, a hundred dollars, you know, here and I bought a TV.

• 10:55Cameron Hanes?

  The clients were paying a hundred a month for coaching?

• 10:58Speaker 01

  A hundred a month.

• 10:58Cameron Hanes?

  Gotcha.

• 10:59Speaker 01

  And, and then I slowly, you know, then I bought a bed and then I bought, you know, a bed frame. Like I, my bed was originally on the floor and it was just, I just slowly started buying things.

• 11:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  And, you know, I, I still have, I have that picture I posted. It's pinned on my Instagram. If you swipe through it, you can see I went to Walmart when I was sleeping on the floor and I bought a $30 mattress pad and like a fuzzy blanket. And a $2 pillow.

• 11:28Cameron Hanes?

  Sounds good.

• 11:29Speaker 01

  And that's where we sat and I would like set my phone up and I would like watch TV on my phone.

• 11:34Cameron Hanes?

  And, yeah.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  And, you know, but I put my back against the wall. That's what I did. And once I started seeing a little bit of success,

• 11:44Speaker 01

  the biggest thing to me is I was terrified. I still am. I still battled this is I was terrified and still am of, of, of going back.

• 11:53Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  I didn't, I don't want to sleep on the floor again.

• 11:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  It's not fun. There's nothing fun about it. Like it's not even fun to, to tell the story of, oh, I was sleeping on the floor. Like it, it's not fucking cool.

• 12:05Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  And I don't ever want to do that again. I'm terrified of it.

• 12:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What, um, so you had a, a burn the boats mentality. Like this is, this has to work. This is my only choice. Um, what was your first, what you'd consider a win?

• 12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:21Cameron Hanes?

  During that time?

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Well, funny enough, I mean, well, my first, my first win with, with social media.

• 12:27Cameron Hanes?

  Just in life, just like you, it sounded like everything was going wrong.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:31Cameron Hanes?

  And you're like, I gotta do this. I gotta take a chance. I get my back against the wall. When did that turn into where you had confidence? You're like, man, maybe I, maybe this is, is gonna work.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Ketone IQ.

• 12:45Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 12:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:46Cameron Hanes?

  What?

• 12:46Speaker 01

  They were my, that was my very first ever brand deal.

• 12:48Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 12:49Speaker 01

  They reached out to me and they're like, we will pay you $500 a month for the next three months.

• 12:56Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  And I said, holy shit.

• 12:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 01

  I didn't know. I didn't know. Like, I didn't even know that was a thing. Like I, so I had reached out to, uh,

• 13:07Cameron Hanes?

  Jeff?

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Jeff, yes. Jeffrey, right?

• 13:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Jeffrey Wu.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Yes. And I was like, hey, like I'm running this race in Santa Monica and sure enough, I didn't even, I didn't even know that there would be money involved.

• 13:20Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  And they're like, hey, like, yeah, like, like we'd love to do.

• 13:22Cameron Hanes?

  You want to like maybe pay for the race or travel?

• 13:25Speaker 01

  No, send me, send me ketone IQ. Yeah. It was like, like I wanted it for the race.

• 13:30Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I see.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  And then he was like, yeah, you know, and then I, I got, yeah, it was like, hey, like, yeah, we'd love to partner with you for three months. And I'm like, okay. And they're, yeah, we'll pay you 500 bucks a month. And I'm like, what? You know, and, and, but that was when I was like, oh, like, could I do this?

• 13:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  And then.

• 13:50Cameron Hanes?

  The flip, the switch flipped.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. To where it was like, I didn't even know at that point. And I don't think a lot of people out there realize the Instagram that I have now is the Instagram I had in high school.

• 13:58Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  If you scroll all the way back, it's me and snapbacks in high school doing dumb shit.

• 14:03Cameron Hanes?

  Got a snapback on right now.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, but then it like, you know, that was the same mentality. So actually what a lot of people don't know as well. I don't think I've ever mentioned this on the podcast. Uh, I grew up racing go karts.

• 14:16Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  Um, my grandfather was huge and tinkering with motors and, and all that type of stuff. And, uh, didn't grow up. I mean, this was, uh, you know, going into high school, we had a go kart track out. And my grandparents, um, cause I live with my, my, a single mom and, you know, I was at my grandparents all the time. And my grandparents were like, you got this go kart. I was really, really good.

• 14:39Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  I was really good. I mean, I was really good. And they're like, you have this go kart. They're like, you need to go and find sponsors. Like we can't be paying for all of this.

• 14:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So you'd heard the sponsor reference before.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Then I had, I was already, and I, by that, that was when I was 16 years old.

• 14:54Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  We're talking 12 years later.

• 14:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  And so I remember what it was like. I would walk into the, like, I would go to small town Iowa, I'd walk into the, you know, the real estate shop and I would hand them a flyer of like, I'm racing and I'm going to put your logo on my car. And I just remember having this moment where I was like, oh, like it's the same thing. And I had already done that before.

• 15:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  And like, what a God thing to already, you know, to already have that.

• 15:24Cameron Hanes?

  Plant the seed.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  I've been around it, you know, kind of like we talked today with the bow, right? That was my first time ever touching a bow, but I've been around it a lot. I've sat there with people that have shot a lot and I've seen it. I have a little bit of familiarity. But then it was like, okay, like now, you know, I see it. And then, you know, I, I met Eric Hinman. And, you know, who is just the cultivator of community.

• 15:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  And he, you know, was a very good friend to me. And I would just, like, I would go to his house while he was on business calls. And he was probably like, what the fuck is this guy doing? Like I'm working and I would just listen and I would watch and I would see how he would talk to people. And that's been the biggest thing for me, even getting into fitness. The first time I got into fitness, I would literally go to the gym and I would watch people like do tricep push downs.

• 16:10Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  And I had no idea what the hell it was. And I would watch them do it and then I would go do it.

• 16:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 16:15Speaker 01

  And that's how I've, you know, that's.

• 16:17Cameron Hanes?

  Right. Visual learner.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. And, and sure enough, it just, it, it's been a snowball effect ever since then.

• 16:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, I didn't, I didn't know that about the ketones. So let's give a shout out.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  That was insane. That is so crazy. Yeah. Michael Brandt. Yeah. We might as well.

• 16:32Cameron Hanes?

  Thank you guys. Thank you guys.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, I gotta check. Yeah, there we go. I had to check the caffeine. I'm, I'm, I'm caffeined up today.

• 16:38Cameron Hanes?

  I don't think, yeah, these are no caffeine, right?

• 16:40Speaker 01

  That was not, yeah. And that was not planned. I want to make sure that people know that.

• 16:44Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  I literally looked down and I was like, huh. There you are.

• 16:49Cameron Hanes?

  But it's a good story. Uh, cause every, everybody's got a starting point. Like where was the first win? And that, when you're, you know, trying to buy a hundred dollar mattress, a hundred dollar, you know, box frame or bu-

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Box, uh, yeah. Box spring?

• 17:05Cameron Hanes?

  Box spring and bed frame.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  A bed spring and box frame.

• 17:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. But what, but when you're like hustling for a hundred dollars to do that, then you get 500 just to go run? Yeah. That's sick.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that same month I got my first client that, you know, had a little bit of money. And wanted to pay for six months of coaching upfront. And I was like, oh, I'll knock a hundred dollars off. So there's $500 upfront.

• 17:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Shit, I had a thousand dollars, buddy. I was like, oh yeah. You, I was, I was rolling in it.

• 17:40Cameron Hanes?

  Going to Sizzler.

• 17:44Cameron Hanes?

  Right?

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 17:46Cameron Hanes?

  Well, since we're on the sponsorship tip, I guess, how about Alp?

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Alp nicotine pouches.

• 17:53Cameron Hanes?

  Let's get some nicotine, a little nicotine bump to keep our heads straight.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do a little, yeah. Not Cam, but me. I've been off the nicotine, ketone, LMNT energy drink all day long to keep up with this guy.

• 18:09Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, you did great.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  All day.

• 18:11Cameron Hanes?

  Um, let's see, I was going to talk about, yeah, so the sponsorships then you got, you got a win there.

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:17Cameron Hanes?

  You got to win with the client paying six months in advance. And then, I mean, how did, okay, so it was just a slow grind?

• 18:25Speaker 01

  It just takes one. It takes one.

• 18:27Cameron Hanes?

  To get to the 1.1 million? Like?

• 18:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. But, but, you know, so that was, that was September. That was September when, when Ketone IQ reached out.

• 18:37Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Listen, I want to say this one thing. So everybody has this goal, not everybody, but people have this goal of building a personal brand.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:45Cameron Hanes?

  If I just think about what you've done, like you have had things that went viral, but you've also hustled. You coached Jelly Roll.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:55Cameron Hanes?

  You did something with the Nelk Boys.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:58Cameron Hanes?

  On a hundred miles or something. Kyle did a hundred miles or something. But how have you inserted yourself or, or crafted these opportunities? How, how, how do you do that?

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Community.

• 19:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  You know, like, uh, you know, I got in, I got into jelly through, uh, you know, his, his chef, Ian Larios. And Ian was, uh, one of the very first clients that was following me at the time as I was sleeping on the floor.

• 19:24Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 19:24Speaker 01

  And he reached out and I had a call with him. I, you know, found out who he was and, you know, I started coaching him. He was going to run around the island of Bali. And, you know, through that relationship, that opened the door a year and a half later for jelly. And then I think it was, you know, then once you get like, it takes that one opportunity.

• 19:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  And then through that Nelk, you know, people saw that. And then Kyle posted, yo, I need a coach. And then, you know, the Nelk Boys, they're degenerates, just like me. And it was like Matt Johnson, Matt Johnson, Matt Johnson, Matt Johnson. And, you know, the same thing now is happening or has happened with Alex Eubanks.

• 20:01Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Um, he posted, hey, I want to start running. People are like Matt Johnson, Matt Johnson, Matt Johnson. And like, am I the best coach in the world? Absolutely not. Well, not, not at all. But

• 20:11Cameron Hanes?

  Got a name out there.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  But I've established, you know, I've established my persona, you know, the where, where I, I think people want to be around me, you know, and, and I'm, I'm trying to be relatable and, and, you know, I'm not trying to be this content weirdo who hides real life. And I think that people see that and, you know, yeah, it's just, it, it slowly opened all of these incredible doors.

• 20:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I think it's the, well, a couple of things with celebrity, but first of all, being authentic is, is the key to anything because there's so much fake out there.

• 20:52Cameron Hanes?

  So if you can pass the smell test on authenticity, that's big. But then in regard to celebrities, just in general, they want to know you're not going to be some psycho. So when you've spent time around one celebrity, the other celebrities, celebrities are like, okay, you've been vetted a little bit.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:12Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, if he's not whatever, screwing that up, let's see.

• 21:19Cameron Hanes?

  But one thing, and, and yeah, so that's pretty obvious, you know, everybody with a brain would know that, yeah, you, these celebrities get pulled on for a million different directions. If you're adding to their stress, it's not going to work, right? But one thing that I've seen a lot, and maybe it's the same talk or whatever you did, but there's, I know you impacted a lot of people, I think on the Nelk Hundred Mile Run, where you had to give like pep talks or,

• 21:50Cameron Hanes?

  but the references I've seen are like how powerful and real and how impactful it was to the people around you. And when you said, when you said that, um, I don't know how you said it, but you want to be, you want people to want to be around you, right?

• 22:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:06Cameron Hanes?

  Um, to feel comfortable or to feel inspired or whatever else. But to me that, that's what people want. They got enough. This world has enough of tearing each other down and not enough of lifting each other up. So when you can impact people like that and, you know, take, take a little bit of the pressure of life off of them by believing in them.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:28Cameron Hanes?

  Dude, that's, that's what you do.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  And it's treating them like a normal fucking person. You know, like, like it's treating like, to me, I want to walk into that room and like, you know, don't get me wrong before, like, when we were getting ready to walk into Jelly's house, like, I was like, oh my, you know, but you gotta pull it together.

• 22:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  You know, and it's like, once you pull it together, yes, yes. A hundred percent. You pull it together, you walk in there, I belong here. And you have that mentality of like, I belong here and you are no different than me. I am no different than you. They see that. They don't get that. They don't, you know, you know, they don't get that a lot. So when you can hold that composure and just be normal, they love that.

• 23:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  And, you know, because their whole life is chaos.

• 23:10Cameron Hanes?

  Right. Yeah.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  That LMNT is getting, there's some.

• 23:18Cameron Hanes?

  Shit's stirring around in there.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got the ketones, I got everything backing up today.

• 23:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Um, but what, but I, what I'm saying is like, your words, your demeanor, your attitude, that's what strikes people.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:33Cameron Hanes?

  You know, yeah, we, we, we put out the, the content. You have to, to build a brand, but it's that real life interaction. That's what people remember.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:44Cameron Hanes?

  That's what makes a difference.

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I commented that back to somebody the other day where, you know, I was smoking and joking in the ice bath. And it was just some comment of like, imagine, uh, imagine how good you would be if you didn't do dumb shit like this. And my comment back was, imagine if you knew me outside of a 10 second Instagram clip.

• 24:03Cameron Hanes?

  Exactly.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Right? Like, you know, you know, you, what, what you see on social media is, is, you know, or not what you see, but what you perceive it as.

• 24:12Cameron Hanes?

  Well, yeah, what you, what you interpret, like people, people fill in the blanks all the time. Cause in 10 seconds, you don't have the whole story. So why are you filling in the blanks on a story you don't know?

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, you know, that's the biggest thing is, you know, which I hope to, you know, I'm trying to utilize YouTube with that. You know, to really like, if you really want to know who I am, go watch a YouTube video. Cause you're just going to see me holding the camera.

• 24:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:37Speaker 01

  You know, and my YouTube video this year up until the last, you know, we had to take the last three months or August and September and off, yeah. Last three months off, waiting for the doc to come out.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  You know, but it's done very well. I mean, we, I grew to 17,000 subs since the beginning of the year.

• 24:54Cameron Hanes?

  That's good.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  And, you know, and it's just vlogs. It's just me. It's not, we're not doing fancy. We're not doing challenges. We're not, this is just me vlogging my life. Vlogging, moving into the house, vlogging, training, and just trying to like, just, I, I, because I, I do, I want people to really know who I am. If you care.

• 25:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  You know, I want, I want you to know who I am. Instagram is where I have fun.

• 25:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  My Instagram is like, you know, that's the, that's the fun side of me in life, right? But that's only the side of me that is 20% of the time.

• 25:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 25:22Speaker 01

  You know, you want to see the 80%, come to, come to YouTube and get to know me.

• 25:26Cameron Hanes?

  I love it. Um, tell, tell me what you, what have you learned from the Nelk Boys? Like, is it Kyle mostly?

• 25:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:34Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:35Cameron Hanes?

  Like as far as brands, because they've done a good job on brands.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. You know, I've met, uh, I've met Saleem and Steiny, you know, the, the other two like main guys now, um, but Kyle, like Saleem's really cool. Uh, I don't, can't speak on Steiny a lot. I only podcasted with him once. Um, but Kyle is an incredible human being and it's just really cool to see him outside of content. Um, but the cool thing is with me is I had no idea who the Nelk Boys were when, when, until people started tagging me in that video. I didn't know who Kyle was. I was like, oh.

• 26:12Cameron Hanes?

  For coaching, you mean?

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I was like, it was at Kyle. And I was like, how'd this guy get the, you know what I mean?

• 26:17Cameron Hanes?

  Just name Kyle.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  And then I texted my little brother and this was after Jelly, obviously. And I was like, yo, like, you know this guy? And he would, my brother who's 21.

• 26:26Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  He's like, oh my, like this is bigger than Jelly. This is the biggest thing ever. This is going to be insane. And at that point I was like, okay, like I'm not going to consume any of his content. Because I didn't want to know who he was until I walked in his door.

• 26:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  And I didn't, I didn't consume anything and never watched a YouTube video until I got there.

• 26:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  And, you know, so I was able to base that judgment off of.

• 26:52Cameron Hanes?

  Real life.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Who you, who are you as a person?

• 26:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yep.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  And, you know, he was like, come to my house and we, we got a run in and, you know, the biggest thing for me, like, like you know, right? Like I wanted to, I was going to fraud check these boys. Like, are you really about this life?

• 27:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  And, you know, he was like, I've been running, you know, 50 miles a week. So I started him right at 60. I was like, all right, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, and they just did it.

• 27:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  All of them, you know? Yeah. And then sure enough, all of them together, there was six of them. They all finished at the same time.

• 27:25Cameron Hanes?

  A hundred miles?

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Under 25 hours.

• 27:28Cameron Hanes?

  It's impressive.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:29Cameron Hanes?

  That's really good.

• 27:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. On the side of a highway, on the side of a highway. But what did I learn from them? You know, I learned from Kyle of, you know, he's, he's very, he's very low key, you know? And from him, I just learned that it was really prevalent to me of, of you are just a man. You know, like, like what I learned from them was, was who you are as a person means more than who you are on social media.

• 27:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  And, and I really got that from him, you know, like, and I also learned that what can happen with social media is you can get labeled as something and, and want to be or be something completely different.

• 28:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  And, you know, seeing him go from the partier, you know, drinking heavy, doing all of the crazy things to now being 100% in on fitness and being fit. Like he's down to under 10% body fat with his trainer, Caleb.

• 28:25Cameron Hanes?

  It's impressive.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  And he looks shredded and you go back and you look at him a year ago, he was, he was 30 pounds heavier.

• 28:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  And seeing him be so locked in, but then now in training where he texts me and he's like, hey, he's like, you know, uh, Drake's birthday party next weekend, you gotta move my schedule around.

• 28:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  And you know, and I'm like, okay, you know, like, so he's, he's still, he's still doing his thing.

• 28:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  But now he's forming it around fitness.

• 28:51Cameron Hanes?

  Training, yeah.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  And it's cool. It's cool to see that. And I just learned, that's what I learned is just, you can change at any point and be whoever you want to be.

• 28:59Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  No matter who you are.

• 29:01Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, he was successful already. Wanted to add another layer. Just wanted to find out more about himself. So I want to run a hundred miles.

• 29:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:10Cameron Hanes?

  And it's like, most people, their goal is success.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:14Cameron Hanes?

  They get it, then, then what? But to reinvent himself, to set new goals.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's, that's the key.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Well, and I, and I said that in, in his documentary where I'm like, you know, because I've said before, I'm like, I don't think that anyone who has never been through some type of trauma. Or problem would choose to run an ultra marathon.

• 29:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  But you see this guy who has built a multi-million dollar company, who lives in a penthouse in Miami, who has a private chef, who has everything in life, right? Like, I mean, he, you, you got it all.

• 29:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  You know, access to the girl, whatever you want. And you're like, you know what? I want to choose hard.

• 29:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  I want to choose suffering. I want to go test myself. Like when, bro, he could, he could kick his legs up and just, the money's printing in.

• 30:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 30:05Speaker 01

  And he's like, nah, like, he's like, I want to become more. I want to be more. That fires me up.

• 30:10Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  More than, more than doing something for myself, being able to help somebody become something more. Give it, like, I got damn near got goosebumps right now talking about it. Give it to me.

• 30:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  I want to be part of that.

• 30:21Cameron Hanes?

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• 32:27Cameron Hanes?

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• 32:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:45Cameron Hanes?

  You know, and that's, to me, the music, the celebrity, the whatever, fine, it's cool. It's like, whatever. But seeing him become a different human.

• 32:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:56Cameron Hanes?

  He is different.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:58Cameron Hanes?

  He changed.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  And that was like, I remember when I first started with him, you know, when I was out there with him in LA, he was, you know, we were coming back from a show at midnight, and he was going to bed at three o'clock in the morning, and he was getting up after four hours, five hours of sleep. And we were having to, okay, you know, he's up, he's like, all right, let's go get it.

• 33:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  You know, but I remember him being just upset and angry at the, you know, how we always are, right? At the training, when you first start and it's hard and it sucks.

• 33:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  And I remember him just, I remember seeing him in that suck. And that hard. And, but then I remember, by the time I was getting ready to leave, having him, seeing him at the 5K with Burt and Tom, just ripping it and having a good time while he's doing it. And I'm like, and I could just see that change just in that. And you know, and I haven't seen him since May of, May of 25. You know, but now seeing him looking slimmer, doing his thing, like, I'm like, I can't even imagine now.

• 33:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Because I just seeing that change then of just him getting happier and just being happier and within the training.

• 34:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  And then now just randomly popping on a Strava and it's like, oh, like Jelly Roll ran six miles at a 12 minute pace. I'm like, bro, I remember his first time that I, that I wrote something, I did a 10 second jog.

• 34:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 34:19Speaker 01

  10 seconds.

• 34:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  And he's running now.

• 34:22Cameron Hanes?

  Six miles.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:23Cameron Hanes?

  At 12 minutes, yeah.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:24Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, he would say he would go on his run and never run, just walk.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  No, no, no. He's a, we use the term, we use the term running loosely around here.

• 34:33Cameron Hanes?

  And that, hey, it's whatever story you're telling yourself.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:36Cameron Hanes?

  If you're saying you're going on a run, but you're not running, who cares?

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Yes, 100%.

• 34:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Your brain, your brain said, oh, we make, we went on a run.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. A run, hey, a run is a run, you know, and I mean, that's it. Like, like, the whole, like, pace shaming shit is over. You know, that, uh, you, running is inclusive. Running is for everybody.

• 34:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  Everybody.

• 34:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yep. Yeah. And it's not up to other people to set the rules for what is a runner.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  No, and that's what, that's a crazy thing is I see people all the time, which, like, you know, I've ran a really fast 10 miler. 54 or 55 minutes, whatever it was. And then I'll go out and I'll run a 13 minute pace for 20 miles. And people will comment and be like, I love to see you do. And I'm like, it, it's unfortunate that you have to comment that to say like, oh, I love seeing you run so slow.

• 35:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Because that means you feel some type of way.

• 35:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  You know, or, or someone has made you feel like that.

• 35:32Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  You know, like, no, fuck them. Like, like, you just put the shoes on and go out there and whatever, whatever, like, here's the thing. If you run a mile, run a mile, Truett Haines, and run, if you run 26 miles in five, you know, five minutes and 30 seconds per mile, you're still running the mile in 5:35, whether or not I run the mile in 13 minutes. We're both doing a mile.

• 35:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  The mile, we have set the standard on time.

• 35:59Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  A mile is a mile. You can't manipulate the distance. It don't matter how long you do it.

• 36:04Cameron Hanes?

  No, it doesn't. And, and I mean, just to be honest, I mean, today we ran well. I go on runs, sometimes to Pisco where we ended up.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:14Cameron Hanes?

  I don't run one step. I'm like, I'm not feeling it today. I just hike up to the top, hike down, come home.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:21Cameron Hanes?

  And then I might go on a, a run later, but I don't put pressure on myself to, for what?

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:28Cameron Hanes?

  I just go with the feel. Today I felt good, gonna run good.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And I mean, and that's the cool thing too about us being out there and doing that, right? Like, you were clipping out, like, we looked at it earlier, you clipping sub sixes. And I was only doing sub eights, you know, like, I was behind you most of the time, but I never felt, you know, inferior to you. I never felt, I never felt like you were better than me. Like, it was, we were on a run. And you were gonna do what your run was, and I was gonna do what my run was.

• 36:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 36:58Speaker 01

  We were never, we were never more than 100 mi, 100 yards apart.

• 37:00Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  And, you know, but it was no different. Cause guess what? How many miles did we do? 16?

• 37:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too.

• 37:08Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I just had, I just had a great day with you and I, I just love your perspective on it. And it's like, I know this perspective has been developed through, you know, some suffering, some wins, just being a human. But the way you've got to it now and just like how you verbalize it, I think is, people need to hear it. I think your story is a powerful one because it's not, it's real easy when you see people and, you know, it's never easy to be successful. But some people have a little bit of a head start over people like us.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:43Cameron Hanes?

  And I don't want to take anything away from them. But when you come from where you came from to where you are now, dude, that's awesome. And it's like, if you can give anybody hope, just a sliver of hope, it can change their life. Cause you know, that, that hope is what kept you going for that first win.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:01Cameron Hanes?

  For this first, you know, call from I, from Ketone IQ, it's like, you had, you were hopeful, you reached out and it worked.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:10Cameron Hanes?

  So just giving people, just belief that where you're, where you are now, you don't have to stay there.

• 38:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 38:18Cameron Hanes?

  And, and that's kind of, that's what you're saying. It's like, it's just a decisional way to change.

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't think, you know, the biggest thing for me, you know, is, is growing up, seeing, you know, as a single mom, right? Like, like I was taken back to a double wide trailer when I was born. We, we, we lived in a double wide most of my life, a couple, a couple of different ones. But seeing my mom work overnights at the gas station, and then going the next morning to Principal Financial, driving all the way to Des Moines, Iowa, the capital, an hour away, working a nine to five, coming back, working at the gas station, going back and just, it was the circle, right? Is, I was seeing that, you, sometimes you have to do whatever you can with the situation that you are given.

• 39:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  And, you know, no matter what, like, I saw real struggle, you know, within that. And, you know, getting into my mom being married, her abusive ex-husband, my little brother and I were mentally and physically abused by him. And going through that, growing up, she was abused, like, it was just, seeing that, and it, and it was once again, you know, where she would, she would.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Get beat up or you know, something like that and it would come to me and it'd be like, all right, we're moving forward. You know, and it was like, you have to do whatever you can do to just keep moving forward.

• 39:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  And I feel like that was just instilled within me where

• 39:47Speaker 01

  the, you know, and my mom and I now have talked about this as, you know, my life has gotten so much better and, you know, allows me to, to help her life get better too. And we've talked about this where it was like, we wouldn't, I wouldn't change anything and she wouldn't either.

• 40:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Because it, it led us to where we are today.

• 40:03Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  And sometimes you gotta go through the deepest pits of hell to get there. But just because you're in the deepest pit of hell, doesn't mean you have to stay there.

• 40:12Cameron Hanes?

  Forever, for sure.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  No.

• 40:14Cameron Hanes?

  What's your mom's name?

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Jill.

• 40:16Cameron Hanes?

  Oh. Jill.

• 40:20Cameron Hanes?

  Cam. I want to say, Matt, I'm a fan of Matt, so don't listen to shit talkers. Because that's delivered with all love and for fun. So I'm, I'm a fan, I'm a supporter, I'm inspired by Matt, so you did a good job. And also I'm inspired by you because being a single mother, that my mom was the same way after my mom and dad got divorced. And it's hard, it's hard on women to raise kids without a dad around.

• 40:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:51Cameron Hanes?

  And

• 40:53Speaker 01

  to be, be the dad as well.

• 40:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And so, nothing but respect, Jill, thank you for all you poured into Matt. Thank you for all your sacrifice and I understand you're protective over your son and I appreciate that.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  We had a conversation this morning where I, I told Cam that my mom's watching the dogs and I told Cam that.

• 41:12Cameron Hanes?

  Or you told her?

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I told mom, I was like, yeah, I'm going to podcast with Cam Haynes and she

• 41:19Speaker 01

  she was like, oh, that guy.

• 41:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  That guy, huh?

• 41:22Cameron Hanes?

  She's been talking to Sage.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my mom was about to make a shit talkers weekly 2.0 on Cam, I'll tell you that.

• 41:30Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's, it's all fun. Hey, we're on the same team.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  It's all love.

• 41:34Cameron Hanes?

  It's all love, baby. And not baby to Jill.

• 41:39Cameron Hanes?

  This baby in general.

• 41:42Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 41:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so you mentioned Eric, who else has been, like, who's inspired you on this journey? Because I get inspired, like I said, you inspire me, but I get inspired every day by different people, different things. I watch people and I'm like, love to see them win. Do you have people like that?

• 42:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, you know, I think obviously the first two were you and Goggins, were Goggins and then you, you know, coming across your stuff. You know, and then, and then getting in, you know, to that with Eric and then,

• 42:17Speaker 01

  you know, Nick Baer played a huge role within, you know, VPN was, I think, the second brand that I signed with. You know, so having them believe in me.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  You know, because the biggest thing, actually, what a lot of people don't know is I got stationed out in Virginia in 2021. And I started running, I was running like 70, 80 miles a week. Like I would run before work and after work, but I didn't have, I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't have a plan. I would just run.

• 42:45Cameron Hanes?

  You were like me.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and yeah, yeah, I was just lift, run, no shoot.

• 42:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  And I got onto YouTube and I, because I got like super skinny, like, I mean, I guess now I'm, I wasn't this skinny. But I, I Googled or I got onto YouTube and I typed in how to eat like an endurance athlete. And I found Nick and I found Nick's videos and I would

• 43:09Cameron Hanes?

  He's kind of an outlier.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:11Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, he's a giant.

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, but I, I would watch, you know, because like he was putting out the content.

• 43:15Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  And, you know, that kind of helped me fuel. And, you know, then I started buying the VPN products, great job, Nick. And, you know, that led me into the VPN marathon, which is what led me to Austin, which is what led me to this life. Truly, you know, like, like, like, like you want to talk about the butterfly effect? It was that, it was finding Nick's, it was finding Nick's stuff. And, you know, so I, I owe a lot to Nick and, and, you know, for him, you know, you want to talk about being able to change somebody's life? Thanks, Nick, for the YouTube videos.

• 43:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Because you changed, you changed my life.

• 43:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  You know, I was motivated by David Goggins, I was motivated by Cam, but I found Nick and that led me to the VPN marathon and that led me to Austin. And it led me here.

• 44:03Cameron Hanes?

  Beautiful.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  You know, like, like, and I think that just now in my brain, I think I rationalized that for the first time. Like, I think that I, I haven't seen that yet until right now.

• 44:12Cameron Hanes?

  Connected the dots.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:14Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I, I'm, I'm so puncture here, we, and you and Truitt, for a while, Truitt, obviously, everybody knows is my son. Yeah, you guys had, it was like a fake internet beef, but it was fun.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it was, it was.

• 44:27Cameron Hanes?

  People like that.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah, yeah.

• 44:29Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I was paying attention then because I didn't really know you that, that well. And, you know, I'm protective over Truitt, so anytime like some, I'm like, wait, what's this guy about?

• 44:40Speaker 01

  What's this guy doing?

• 44:41Cameron Hanes?

  So anyway, it was just kind of fun.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Crazy enough, I, I was thinking about this yesterday and like leading up this podcast, I want to tell you this. I don't know if I've ever told you this.

• 44:50Speaker 01

  When I got into Leadville in 2022, I DM'd you.

• 44:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 44:56Speaker 01

  And, and I said, yo, this is so funny because people do this to me now and I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, yo, Cam.

• 45:03Cameron Hanes?

  Did I answer?

• 45:03Speaker 01

  No, you didn't see it. But, but the funniest part was is that the day that you followed me, I unsent the message.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  This is so funny. So

• 45:17Speaker 01

  I said, yo, Cam, I got into Leadville, I'd love for you to pace me.

• 45:20Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, really?

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:21Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, I didn't know that.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like, it's, it's so funny to me. And then like the day you followed me, I was like, oh shit. And I'm like on my phone and I'm like, I didn't want to be that weirdo.

• 45:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  You know, not, not that, I mean, you gotta, you gotta take the shots.

• 45:37Cameron Hanes?

  I've done that before where I've sent like, shit, who was it? Somebody Meek Mill, I think was talking about hunting. And so I sent him a message, didn't answer. Maybe like the next year I sent him, then you go and you're looking like, holy shit, why am I sending this guy so many messages? But he answered, he answered. And, but anyway, I've, I know the exact situation where you're like, it's been time. And then you look and you're like, oh, this guy's going to think I'm a freak.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, oh, man.

• 46:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  I, do you know Matt Matthews?

• 46:10Cameron Hanes?

  Matt, no.

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Okay, so he's, you know, since we bought this ranch, I, I now get fed ranch content.

• 46:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  And he owns a ranch, he's a comedian.

• 46:18Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 46:19Speaker 01

  In the last month, I've sent him three DMs so far. I'm like, so he does like, like he brings people out to his, to his farm and it's hilarious. You have, I'll, I'll send it to you, you got, you gotta watch, it's funny, it is so funny. And I've sent him three DMs and I'm like, hey, I'd loved it. I, I'm no shame now. I'm like, hey, I really want to come to your ranch.

• 46:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  And I'm like, hey, I'm ready to come to your ranch. Like, bring me out, I, I'm ready to scoop the shit with the, with the boys.

• 46:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, 100 DMs and un replied to.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, he's never even read it.

• 46:51Cameron Hanes?

  No, and, and I think, who cares? Like, send a DM, take a shot.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 46:56Cameron Hanes?

  It doesn't matter.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wouldn't.

• 46:58Cameron Hanes?

  The people might see it, they might not, you never know.

• 47:00Speaker 01

  And you've probably got, I mean, I would say 90% when I comb my message requests, the first thing is, you probably won't see this, but

• 47:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I get that, yeah, all the time.

• 47:10Speaker 01

  But and then I love, I love, those are the, my favorite ones to like, to look at. And then I'm like, I'll heart it.

• 47:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  You know, and then they're like, oh, my gosh.

• 47:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I feel bad when, when I don't see stuff like that.

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:24Cameron Hanes?

  Because, yeah, I mean, some people just, if you, if you acknowledge, if you can acknowledge somebody, like if they did something good, like a lot of people, their first race, and so they'll tell me how they did. I want to respond, I want to say, great job.

• 47:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:40Cameron Hanes?

  I just feel bad when I miss stuff.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's so many that come, so like anyone out there, like there's so many that, just so y'all know, like there's

• 47:46Cameron Hanes?

  Send them.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  Yes, just, just come on with it, please, please, please.

• 47:50Cameron Hanes?

  It doesn't matter.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  I try, I try, I try.

• 47:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, well, that's, I mean, I didn't know that, but that's cool.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  And so, you know, just like I said, like why it's so crazy to be here, you know, like, it's like, I thought I'd be here and now I'm here.

• 48:06Cameron Hanes?

  When, when were you and Tru going to race? Was that that year?

• 48:09Speaker 01

  That was, no, that was Leadville 24, 20, 20, last year, was it last year? When did you, when did you and Truitt?

• 48:17Cameron Hanes?

  We did it last year.

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Okay, that was the year I was supposed to be there, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then like, I, there was, it's just really cool because there was like, I don't know, I'd have to scroll back and see how it even came about. But like, it was always a, like a respectful thing, you know, like, like it was never, it was never like that, but the public saw it like that, which was cool. And then Truitt hit me up and he's like, yo, he's like, we should do this comparison. And he's like, you want to collab on it? And I was like, dude, hell, yeah.

• 48:46Cameron Hanes?

  That was the one, the dad one?

• 48:47Speaker 01

  That was the dad one, yeah, yeah, where he's like, one of the comparisons was, has a dad and doesn't have a dad.

• 48:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, Tru- Truett is definitely, he would ne- never, he, he likes everyone, basically. Now, Alicia, very protective. Somebody talks shit on Truett, you gotta look out for his wife.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah, and you need-

• 49:10Cameron Hanes?

  She's a ride or die, baby.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, you need a ride or die like that. I gotta ride or die like that. Yeah.

• 49:15Cameron Hanes?

  And hey, that's, that's the way it goes.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  She's ready. Oh, she comes in just, she, Amanda goes comes in just stomping. The, would never kill a fly, ever. But she'll come in stomping and she'll let me know that she's upset. We're not gonna, we're probably not gonna do nothing about it.

• 49:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, probably not even gonna acknowledge it.

• 49:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm upset because they said this about you.

• 49:35Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  And I'm like, you know what? I love you for that.

• 49:39Cameron Hanes?

  And that's how Alicia is. And, uh, yeah, I mean, I love it. Their, their team, you guys are a team.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:45Cameron Hanes?

  That's what teams do.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's what it takes. It takes, especially in a world like this. It takes, you know, it takes a team to, to do what, what we do, you know? And that's, that's what I was telling, you know, Amanda about earlier, you know, obviously like she's here with me now and, you know, I'm like, this, this same woman, after our first date, you know, she, when she, she came over to my house and I had a bed on the floor. And she was like, that's my guy.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Like, you know, I love that. Like, and, and the craziest part was, is, you know, as we started dating, like, she had her own beautiful one-bedroom apartment.

• 50:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  And just wanted to stay at my house. And hang out with me. And, you know, and that's-

• 50:24Cameron Hanes?

  Cause it didn't, it was you that mattered.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And that's the thing is, it's like, you know, when we're on the way here, I'm like, hey, like, do you wanna come? And she's like, do, do you want me to come? And I'm like, yeah, come with me. Like, this is us.

• 50:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 50:35Speaker 01

  You know, like, like, let's go do it.

• 50:37Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I think, okay, that's another great example of, for all the young men out there, it doesn't matter what you have, it matters who you are.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:46Cameron Hanes?

  All right? We put so much emphasis on materialism, like, how big a house, how nice a car, how much money. It doesn't matter. When you find somebody that loves you.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:59Cameron Hanes?

  They love you for you.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:01Cameron Hanes?

  It's not the, if it's, they love you for the shit, it's not gonna work.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And you'll find that-

• 51:05Cameron Hanes?

  So just be real.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  You'll find that when you stop searching for it.

• 51:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  You know, when you stop trying to make it happen, when you stop, you know, doing it. Like, both of us ran into each other when we both didn't even want it. You know, like, I was eight months out of a divorce. She was, you know, three months out of a serious relationship. And it was, you know, we weren't looking for that and we ran into each other and we, and it started as a like, I like you, I like you, like, like, let's be around each other.

• 51:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  And then it was just, you know, from there, we built what we have. Yeah. And it's like, you know, stop looking for, you know, as a man, like, just stop looking for the, the, the dopamine drop, the, you know, all of, like, just stop looking for that. And it will, it will, it will find you in the right ways.

• 51:54Cameron Hanes?

  For sure. No, that's, that's how God works.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 51:58Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, that's how life is supposed to work.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:02Cameron Hanes?

  You know, it's not, it's not, yeah, life is competition, but at the end of the day, love wins.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, always.

• 52:11Cameron Hanes?

  Hate to break it to you. Love wins.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Always.

• 52:15Cameron Hanes?

  And, um, yeah, so tell me about, um, you're getting married, is that right?

• 52:22Speaker 01

  June.

• 52:22Cameron Hanes?

  In June.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  June, eight months out.

• 52:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  We ain't said save the dates yet.

• 52:29Cameron Hanes?

  So Amanda also does brand deals, right?

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:33Cameron Hanes?

  Um, so how has that worked with your relationship and, you know, a personal relationship based in love and then also working together? Sometimes, a lot of people say you don't wanna work with your partner.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:48Cameron Hanes?

  Right? How has that worked for you guys?

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, you know, I had a, I had a manager, um, you know, twenty twenty-four, twenty twenty-five up until this summer. And, you know, we just got to a point where, cause I, we, I was so against it at first, cause, right? Cause I, that was the same thing where I'm like, yeah, I just, I just don't, I don't wanna mix that together. But it was like, at the same time, we were doing, we were doing all of it together anyways, right? Like, you know, so it's just been, it's been nice. It's been nice to, to, to have that because it's like, with the brand deals, when you're sourcing that stuff and you're working through it, like, she was already around it the entire time, you know? And it's, and it's kind of makes it a lot easier because she knows me so well and she knows-

• 53:33Cameron Hanes?

  She knows what's important to you.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. She knows what I want. She knows, you know, she knows what I've been bringing in. She knows what, you know, what I'll accept and what I won't. And, and she has my best interests at heart. And I feel like for me, you know, that was, that was important on making that shift. And, you know, it's been, I think it's been great so far, um, you know? But yeah, I mean, it's like, to me, the biggest thing is, is I, I want the team that I am now building. You know, now I'm, I'm getting to the point where I, I'm, you know, I have three employees, three people that, that are on my team. And I base it around family. Like, like, I want every, I want, I want you to,

• 54:19Speaker 01

  if you're not gonna look at it as like, hey, we're a family and like, when you win, we all win, then I don't want it. And that's been the biggest thing for me is, keeping it all within-house has made it, you're keeping people around that want you to be successful, because if you're successful, they're successful.

• 54:36Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  And getting people with that thought is what I think really, you know, as you're, as you're going on the trajectory, just pushes you even farther because then you have a team surrounding you that has, like, they're like, yo, if he wins, I win. And that's been huge, just keeping it as a family.

• 54:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah, I, I, I get that and I like that because a lot of times you hire maybe an agency or you hire somebody to represent you, they're gonna do that till the next bigger client comes in. And then you're prioritized.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And that was like, you know, I had this opportunity to, um, you know, to have something like that. And, you know, that was a big crossroads for me where I'm like, okay, like, you know, I, what, what's the saying where you can be a big fish in a-

• 55:27Cameron Hanes?

  Small pond.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, or you can be, well, I think it's a big fish in the ocean. Or you can be, you know, a big fish in a small pond. And it's like, you know, at some point, when you go to these agencies, you become a big fish in the massive ocean.

• 55:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:42Speaker 01

  You are never the biggest fish.

• 55:44Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 55:44Speaker 01

  You know, but then when you're the biggest fish in the smallest pond, that isn't where you wanna be.

• 55:49Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  You know, so you have to find this, you know, especially in this new world of, of, I would say, most people now have managers. And they have people helping sort, you know, brand, like, we talked about this this morning, like, brand marketing is only getting bigger.

• 56:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  Bigger and bigger and bigger. And now in this area of people having managers, it's like, you know, you, you want to base that off of a family aspect.

• 56:15Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 56:16Speaker 01

  And, you know, it's just, yeah, it's, it's cool to watch her grow her own business too. And I, what I really like is that I feel like now, I mean, granted, yeah, it's only been three years, but I feel like I'm a little bit of a veteran in this space. And being able to utilize my, my connections for her clients, because I wanna see every single one of her clients, like, I wanna see them win.

• 56:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 56:39Speaker 01

  You know, um, you know, she manages Mark Dow, who you just, you just talked to. And, you know, the same thing, like, you know, if I, if I have a brand that I'm connecting with and I'm like, ah, I don't know, but like, dude, I think Mark would be a really good fit. You know, or Nate Illingsworth, like, oh, you know, you should pitch Nate. You know, like, brand or brands that I work with, then I have the con, then, you know, we already have the contact. And I'm just like, yeah, like, like, you know, pitch them, have them win.

• 57:05Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  You know, that's been one of the coolest things with, you know, with Alp, is, you know, Alp is, like, Alp has worked with a, a ton of her clients. You know, and me seeing my brand win, the brand that I'm with, me seeing them win, me seeing her clients win, I feel so happy. You know, because all my people are winning.

• 57:26Cameron Hanes?

  See, that's so rare. Most people, and include, me included, was everyone was competition. And if you won, that takes away from me. And that's not real.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:36Cameron Hanes?

  That's, that's the story we tell ourselves. So when I was like, I wanted my boot on everyone's neck, because fuck you all.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:44Cameron Hanes?

  I want you all to be below me.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:48Cameron Hanes?

  But when you change that attitude, man, that's, it, it's, it's freeing, but also it's so much more healthy.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And I also feel like, and, and you know, I could be completely wrong, right? Like, like, like, there could be, that could be the scenario. But to me, in my head, I've now built it around, like I, I keep saying this family thing, right? Like, if you're working, you know, if my fiance is representing you, my wife is representing you, like, you're, you're my family because she's chosen you. You've chosen her. Like, you're now, you're now my problem too.

• 58:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  And, you know, what I see is, I'm like, hey, if I can help, let's use Alp as an example, if I can help Alp get views through somebody else, that's still coming through me.

• 58:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  I'm helping them. You know, and maybe that's not true with every, with, with other brands, right? Like, like, maybe it is, like, maybe I am taken away from myself. But it's that mentality of like, I mean, it is what it is. Like, if I can help them.

• 58:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:43Speaker 01

  You know, I'm at the point now where, where I don't always need more.

• 58:47Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  And, you know, so to me, it's like, if I can help, if I can help this smaller creator, what if, what if, what if behind closed doors that they're like where I was? And they sign-

• 58:58Cameron Hanes?

  Struggling.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  They, yeah, yeah.

• 58:59Cameron Hanes?

  They need to win.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they sign these deals and then now they can get groceries?

• 59:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:04Cameron Hanes?

  Now, and also, like, to me, um-

• 59:08Cameron Hanes?

  So, so Mark, he met with with Speedland, right? What if they sign him? He's their star. I'm out. I told him, I'm like, yeah, the Speedland, they're great. They'll, you know, I'm on this bow hunter, redneck bow hunter that people love in ultra, love to criticize sometimes. But they still stuck with me. And I told Mark that I said, yeah, they're, they're just good guys. They'll custom do your shoes, whatever you need. And I said, cause it's like, he had something about his ankle and he needed the shoe adjusted, something about the boa. And they'll change it on the fly. Most like, like a Hoka, they're not gonna do that.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:48Cameron Hanes?

  They're gonna be like, no, here's our shoes.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:50Cameron Hanes?

  Fucking deal with it.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:51Cameron Hanes?

  And so there's a chance that I said how good Speedland was, Mark goes there, he outshines me, I'm cut. It's the way it goes.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:00Cameron Hanes?

  That's the way it goes. I won. I'm playing with house money right now.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Cameron Hanes?

  You can take all this, I still won.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Cameron Hanes?

  So my attitude isn't like keeping everything for myself. It's sharing. And when, all I know, I can speak just only for myself, obviously. But when I want others to win, and the Bible talks about this, and I don't know why it makes sense or why it works. But when I, when I cheer for others, I have more success.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:31Cameron Hanes?

  But when I'm hoarding everything.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. God, God rewards the givers.

• 1:00:36Cameron Hanes?

  And I, and I think so, and it's like, you can't give to, for that reward. You have to give because you wanna give.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  Yes, with a pure heart.

• 1:00:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, if you're giving and you want it to come back.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, and that's the same thing as I, I feel like when you, when you're not being greedy, right? Like, like we just resigned two or three deals that were up for, you know, as you get towards the end of the year, it's time to resign. And she comes to me and she's like, what do you wanna do? And I'm like, tell them what the same thing.

• 1:01:06Speaker 01

  I mean, the same thing where they signed me a year ago. A year ago, I was at four hundred thousand followers.

• 1:01:10Cameron Hanes?

  Your values double.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'm like, I don't need more. I don't, I'm like, I am so happy with my life. And right where I'm at, where, you know, the money I'm making is helping me help others and, and, and I don't, like, I look at the house. I look at the cars, I look at my gym, like, I don't need anything more. What I have now, I'm like, hey, just go back to him and tell him I want the same thing. I had one brand come back and sent me more money in the contract because they just wanted to give it to me.

• 1:01:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:01:40Cameron Hanes?

  If, if, you know, people have just have heard what you survived on before. Not much. And now you've got all this.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:49Cameron Hanes?

  You've been blessed with all this and, and, uh, you know, I don't know, it's like, yeah, some, some people forget about what they had before. And it's not the stuff that makes you happy. You feel good because you're like, your vision worked. But it's not the stuff. And so you've realized that, that, that's one thing that, that impresses me so much with you, because you're young. It's really hard for somebody at thirty one to have that, we can all win. And I, you know, I use this quote too, you put it up the other day, but if people realized.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:24Cameron Hanes?

  When I win, how many others win? You would realize it's not about, I can't remember what it was, ego or not about something, but anyway, it's that team.

• 1:02:33Speaker 01

  It's not about my ego. Yeah, yeah. I put that up, I, I, I, I saw that from you. And then I went and I Googled it to find the.

• 1:02:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  Because I was like, I was like, yo, I was like.

• 1:02:42Cameron Hanes?

  That was good.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  I was like, if Cam just dropped this, I was like, that's insane. And I literally Googled it, I sent it to crew chief Rob, actually that day.

• 1:02:49Cameron Hanes?

  Did you?

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was talking to Rob and he, cause he's, you know, he's training for the backyard stuff. And I sent that to him and he was like, I've heard that. And I ended up Googling it and then I found it from Diamond Gym is where it was.

• 1:03:00Cameron Hanes?

  Was that where it was?

• 1:03:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's where it was from in a video. And I found the video and then I was like, okay, I was like, I was like, this is like, this is sick.

• 1:03:07Cameron Hanes?

  It was on a video.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's a, it was, someone said it at Diamond Gym, which is out in, I think, like, New Jersey.

• 1:03:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they go hardcore training.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah. Someone said it in there.

• 1:03:18Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, I saw a quote and it didn't say who said it.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. So. Yeah, so I, I found it, like, I Googled it and then, and then I found the OG video.

• 1:03:28Cameron Hanes?

  Nice.

• 1:03:28Speaker 01

  But yeah, it was the, the quote was, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:31Cameron Hanes?

  Those guys, those guys put out good content.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  You knew, yeah, and that's so true.

• 1:03:35Cameron Hanes?

  It is.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  But like, if you knew, and that's, that's the biggest thing for me is, you know, like I, I, I just hired, uh, like, what, six months ago? My assistant. And to me, it's like, every time that her and I have a conversation, it's about like, yo, you know, like, I was meeting with this brand to potentially do an, a, uh, to invest for equity. And I was like, yo, like, I want you to be there because this is what, she's young, very young. And I was like, yo, like, I want you to be there because this is what I want you to do. You know, I want you to know so that way when you get the, when you get the money.

• 1:04:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  To be able to do something like this, you know, utilize my connections and then maybe you can go and invest in that brand. Cause if you're twenty four now, and then, you know, in six years, this brand sells and you have the money to invest and, you know, and, but that's the, that's the, I wanna see you win.

• 1:04:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  I, it's a family thing and it, and it's like, everything in my life has, has changed as we have started that. And it's just fun, it's fun to me.

• 1:04:35Cameron Hanes?

  That approach, you mean?

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, since we started the approach of, it's just, man, it's, it's just really cool when other people win.

• 1:04:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:43Speaker 01

  It is.

• 1:04:44Cameron Hanes?

  What's, um, what's your goals? Like, where, where are we headed?

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:49Cameron Hanes?

  Um. What's next?

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  The biggest, yeah, the biggest thing is, is, you know, we just, uh, you know, so I, I, I, I met with, um, actually this, this upcoming Friday. Um, we're, we'll announce it, but, uh, Noble Protein, which I think, James, I think, I think James knows about Noble Protein. Yeah. Yeah, so, uh.

• 1:05:08Cameron Hanes?

  Is that why you're so jacked?

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Hell, yeah.

• 1:05:10Cameron Hanes?

  Cause you've been, what, snorting this protein powder?

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's, uh, it's, it's, um, it's protein made from beef organs.

• 1:05:19Cameron Hanes?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  Um, and I don't, I don't take protein, like, you know, I don't, I don't, like, I get a lot, I eat a lot of food, I'm an ultra runner. But that is the perfect protein that I mix it in anything, my acai bowls, I mix it in my pancakes.

• 1:05:32Cameron Hanes?

  It's flavored?

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have chocolate and vanilla. Um, and then, uh, potentially we're gonna come out with a little collab action. Um, but the thing for me is that it's the only protein that I take that doesn't fuck up my gut.

• 1:05:47Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:05:47Speaker 01

  And, you know.

• 1:05:48Cameron Hanes?

  Way probably.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, it's, it's literally like, you look at the, you look at, and it's like, organ, spleen, heart, liver.

• 1:05:55Cameron Hanes?

  Real shit.

• 1:05:55Speaker 01

  And it, and it is incredible tasting. So, you know, that is the first brand that, you know, I'm going to invest in and, you know, be a partial owner within the company. Um, so super excited about that, but with this ranch, my, my initial thought was before that was, I had all these brands coming to me about wanting to invest. And Amanda and I have a conversation, I'm like, I want to invest in me first. You know, I have a lot of money that's stacked up. Why wouldn't I invest it in myself? And so we've had this plan since Texas two, the second time I ran across Texas last year, where I felt like God really put it on my heart that I was supposed to buy a ranch.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  Got home, didn't have the money and, and I just couldn't make it happen.

• 1:06:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  And this year, you know, we got put in a spot where it's now, it's, it's there, I can do it, it happened. So our goal is to, Amanda owns, uh, Made For More Retreats, which, you know, she does faith retreats, fitness retreats, um, you know, wellness retreats. And, you know, our biggest expenditure was, you know, spending money doing these retreats in places.

• 1:07:01Cameron Hanes?

  Rent a facility.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, Zion, Utah, you know, Costa Rica, Kauai, Hawaii, you know, all of these places. And it was like, what if we had a home base where we could host these retreats and host people and help people at our own place?

• 1:07:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, cause, cause what you're offering is help, it's not location specific.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah, yeah, and the biggest thing, like, people that, that come to her retreats are past addicts who are looking for change and, you know, wanting to be helped like she does. So she's a certified breathwork, yoga, all of that and is one, and her breathwork is incredible. And, you know, these people are looking for help, like, they, you know, they don't wanna be addicts anymore, you know, they don't want to have the, the past traumas and they come and, and, you know, she helps them through yoga, breathwork. And, you know, now leaning on me towards helping them through fitness and getting them, you know, to, to be active and we're gonna do runs and we're gonna do walks and we're gonna do hikes at all these places. And long story short, we came across the ranch, twenty one acres, right outside of Austin, twenty nine miles outside of Austin, just barely outside.

• 1:08:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  And it has a, uh, twenty five hundred square foot warehouse on it that we're gonna, we're gonna convert it into a gym. Um, I have a two mile loop around the property that we're gonna, you know, we're gonna build out. Um, and pasture, timber, it has, has all of it.

• 1:08:22Cameron Hanes?

  Man, that's amazing.

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  And so, you know, we just, yeah, we're, we're getting ready to close on the ranch at the, at the, you know, the end of this week. And, you know, next year is gonna be all about hosting races and retreats. I'm gonna do veterans retreats. You know, obviously, you know, everyone that knows me knows I've, you know, raised money for Valor Fit. You know, they put veterans into fitness, which changed my life, that's my love for them, just recently got on, got brought on to the board of directors for Valor Fit to, you know, kinda help them move forward. And, you know, now we're gonna do veterans retreats out there, there's, there's an area where we're gonna put in a gun range. Um, you know, and, and do all of this type of stuff to be able to, yeah, bow, bow, bow, bow now.

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  Um, you know, to do all of this type of stuff, so I just got to a point where I'm like, if I keep destroying myself to help others and destroying my body to, you know, run these runs and races for charity. I'm not gonna be around. You know, the fact that, you know, doing ultras and these hard things is one thing, but running across the state of Texas two years in a row and then, you know, doing the six Ironmans in six days. Like, it got to a point where my health was rapidly deteriorating and I'm like, I need something to put my time into where I'm not gonna kill myself.

• 1:09:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  And, you know, that I'm not gonna deteriorate before I'm thirty five.

• 1:09:41Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  Because all I know is one speed and it's a million miles an hour. And that's what I've been working on through, you know, therapy and, you know, having this therapist and, you know, leaning on Amanda to, to, to help kind of keep me, you know, calm and collected. Um, and hopefully it's this ranch. And, you know, and it'll allow us to help thousands of people in the process and what a blessing that that is.

• 1:10:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Twenty three ranch, Psalm twenty three.

• 1:10:10Cameron Hanes?

  That's what it's called, okay.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:11Cameron Hanes?

  I like it.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Cameron Hanes?

  Um, what's your?

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  Romans eight eighteen.

• 1:10:16Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, gotcha.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had to think about which side it was on. But, yeah, the pain, the pain that I'm feeling now will, will never, I mean, my own saying is, you know, yeah, it's, it's, it's the pain that, that you have now will never be compared to later.

• 1:10:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I want to say Amanda, like I talked to to Matt's mom or address her. But Amanda, you said a great prayer at lunch. You're such a sweet, sweet person. And yeah, I just really like. I like when people who I'm fans of have people in their corner to make them better. And you make Matt better. And I just, you're such a sweet person. So, yeah, it's a man that sounds amazing. I love the, the growth you've exhibited, the path you're on, the helping others.

• 1:11:09Cameron Hanes?

  When you have this, this heart and this,

• 1:11:13Cameron Hanes?

  this motive to help.

• 1:11:17Cameron Hanes?

  How does the hate we get because we're out in the public? How, how does that impact you? Cause we get people who criticize us, some fairly, some unfairly. But how do you deal with that?

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, to me, you know, it was, it was really hard at first, right? Like it was just, cause it's, it's so rough to, you know, and granted, it's like, yeah, like we put ourselves out there. What do we expect? You know, like when you, yeah, when you post, when you put something on Instagram, you are putting it out there to be publicly judged.

• 1:11:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  And it was hard. And just like, obviously you know, like it takes a while to get used to that. And you know, you have to build the callus. You have to have a very strong mind. And, you know, but the biggest thing to me is that, what I always tell myself is every single person that has ever hated on me doesn't know me. Like they don't know who I am. And, you know, if you can say what you want about me, but I, I've never in the last three years had someone come up to me and say something to my face. And if you're not, if you're not man enough or person enough to come up and say that to my face, I don't give a fuck what your opinion is.

• 1:12:28Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, and that's, and that's just it. Like I've had people say shit online and see me in person, running down the road and they'll move to the other side of the street.

• 1:12:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  You know, I mean, and that's, there's, but, but.

• 1:12:39Cameron Hanes?

  Or you said some guy waved to you the other day.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, waved to me. And it's just like, you know, like, like this isn't a fucking game, man. Like, you know, like, like I, I keep receipts.

• 1:12:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:49Speaker 01

  I do. Like I don't forget. I keep receipts on other people, Truett Haynes. You know, like I, I saw a comment on Truett the other day and I was like, and I screenshot it. And I was like, I need this because I know, I know that I'm, I will post this or someone will post this at some point. Like, you know, and.

• 1:13:04Cameron Hanes?

  He will probably post it. Cause he keeps all of them.

• 1:13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I do, I do too. Like I keep receipts and I know, I know. Even to the point where I remember, this is, actually this is crazy. I mean, sorry, Amanda. I don't know if you know about this. There's a dude that hit me up after Project Seven. And the crazy, I've never had this before. And it was like, oh, cool. You're raising, like you raise money for charity. So you can just put it all in your pocket.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  And which is, was mind blowing to me. Like, I'm like, brother, like I have the every receipt that I've sent to Valor Fit and he has the same. I never, you know, which I didn't, whatever.

• 1:13:45Cameron Hanes?

  Can't, I mean, you want to acknowledge it, but.

• 1:13:49Speaker 01

  Well, this one, so I was in the car, she was driving, I was on the way home from Project Seven. Like, so I was, I was wrecked and I was wrecked and ready. I was R squared. And W, W R. She tells you how bright I am.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  I opened the message and I clicked on his profile, saw that he was in Austin, have no idea who he was.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  And I, I, I sent him a message and I was like, fuck you. You know, I don't remember what I said something.

• 1:14:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  And he was like,

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  he said some shit back and I literally, I gave him my address. I said, I said, this is my address. Come on over.

• 1:14:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Cameron Hanes?

  Ever hear from him?

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. He has my address right now. Like come on, come on over buddy.

• 1:14:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Like you, you got the address, but you know what I'm saying? Like, like that's the thing is that, like people love to talk shit because they're behind a screen. And it's just remembering that over and over and over again, is that these, like if, Cam, have you ever, this is the craziest part. And this is what I want other people to know. If people are talking shit on you or saying something to you that is degrading. Have you ever just randomly been scrolling on Instagram and been like, yo, I'm gonna stop and say some, some, some nasty shit to this guy. You know, like, how do you randomly just scroll?

• 1:15:16Cameron Hanes?

  This is weird.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  On reels and then want to be like, and even if they don't follow, and then you just stop. And you're like, you know what? Fuck this guy. Hey, you're a piece of shit. I've never done that.

• 1:15:26Cameron Hanes?

  Why would? I don't get it.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  No, but like that just tells you that, like, I just want y'all to know, like, those people have problems. They're not normal people.

• 1:15:35Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:15:35Speaker 01

  Like, like if you are sitting there and you see someone's reel and it upsets you enough, this 10 second clip that you have to tell them how big of a piece of shit they are or what they're doing wrong. There is something wrong with that person, not with you.

• 1:15:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  With that person.

• 1:15:48Cameron Hanes?

  Right.

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  Keep doing your thing.

• 1:15:50Cameron Hanes?

  I saw a comment today on one of the posts I made about you said, you know, Matt blocked me or whatever. And it's like.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  Oh, really? Wow. I don't block a lot of people.

• 1:16:01Cameron Hanes?

  Ask him why he blocked. And it's like, I was just thinking, I know why I block people. It's because they're dumb fucks or say stupid shit. It's like, so I can guess why you got blocked.

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. The only time, man, I want, you have to show me what that is. Cause the only time I've ever blocked someone is when they start talking about Amanda. That's the only thing I can think about.

• 1:16:19Cameron Hanes?

  I have, when I can tell somebody, like if they're like the comments you're saying and they, I'm like, I can tell if this person is ever going to be able to offer anything that's going to actually help me or be constructive or move the conversation forward. And if I don't think you're ever going to be that person.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:36Cameron Hanes?

  You're out.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  I definitely blocked people before, when it's like multiple, multiple derogatory comments. And I'm like, yo, like this is enough. Like when it's on every single post.

• 1:16:48Cameron Hanes?

  For sure.

• 1:16:49Speaker 01

  And it's like, whenever I open my phone, I see it.

• 1:16:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  You know, that's like, oh my goodness.

• 1:16:54Cameron Hanes?

  Or if I'm just in a bad mood that day and somebody just says, and I get a lot, like I guess Scott's wife sent me one the other day. You, my husband got blocked, but it must've been accidental because his huge fans like, well, maybe, or maybe he just said something really stupid.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe I was having a bad day.

• 1:17:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And I just want to block everybody.

• 1:17:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe I just didn't want you around. Hey, like.

• 1:17:15Cameron Hanes?

  It's my page.

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. Me blocking you is just saying, you know what? I don't want you to be in this room with me anymore.

• 1:17:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. That's cool. Go do your thing.

• 1:17:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:22Cameron Hanes?

  Doesn't affect me. So what about somebody you know that talks shit?

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:27Cameron Hanes?

  Has that ever happened?

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  Mr. James Lawrence.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Ever heard that name? Heard of that guy?

• 1:17:35Cameron Hanes?

  Iron Cowboy.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  The Iron Cowboy.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, James. This has been a long time coming, buddy. Yeah. So Project Seven turned into Project Six. Matt Johnson did not complete seven Ironmans. Project six and a half. Yeah. You know, the biggest thing, you know,

• 1:17:58Speaker 01

  they always say, you know, you'll never meet a hater doing better than you. Well, guess what, James? You ain't doing better than me. I'll tell you that. But having, having hatred come towards me. So James Lawrence, after Project Seven, made an Instagram reel.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  After he finished a 400 mile bike ride at the finish line, saying how I'm a quitter.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  And he completely and utterly lost all respect for me because I couldn't complete this fitness event.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  And that was the first time that I had ever had anyone that I had considered, you know, a friend.

• 1:18:41Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, did, did you tag, I mean, have you talked to him? Did you text him, you know, before, or it's like, cause you, you guys were friends?

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, so, so right before Project Seven, I was, I, you know, I had reached out to him, you know, because I had.

• 1:18:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's done it.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's a multi-day guy. Like, like he's, in my eyes, like I looked up to him. I was like, yo, like this guy has been in the shit. Like, and I, and I.

• 1:19:04Cameron Hanes?

  I looked up to his performances.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. And I hit him up and I was like, yo, like I would love to hop on a call with you. And he, you know, he's like, hey, brother, like, you know, yeah, let's do it. And I, we had a phone call. And, you know, and I watched his documentary. I watched both of them. And, you know, I was like, okay, like, like this is sick. And then like leading up to the event, the whole entire event, like, you know, he would text me, be like, hey, man, like, how are you feeling? And I would tell him. And, you know, he'd be like, you know, I'm rooting for you. Like you're going to crush this shit. You know, telling me like, so he sent me a text.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  He sent me a text and the unfortunate part was that he just, you know, he said, right here, I got the, I got the receipts, James, buddy. This isn't about you. This isn't about speed. This is about entertaining the people and getting them to donate. Nothing else matters. Every decision is how you can stay healthy. He goes, nobody will care if you do them in 10 hours or 12 hours. It's finishing the seven days and raising money for charity. That's all that matters.

• 1:20:11Speaker 01

  All that matters is raising money for charity.

• 1:20:12Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:20:13Speaker 01

  That's what he said.

• 1:20:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  And then he texted me every single day during the event, you're crushing it. You're a stud. You're incredible. This is great. You're doing phenomenal. Keep going, brother. Over and over and over again. I got them all right here. Just all of them. And then sure enough, he texted me and he goes, how'd everything go? This is on Friday at 8pm. So that was the last day, knowing that was after we made the post, knowing that we didn't complete it. He goes, how'd everything go? And I was like, props to you. That's enough for my lifetime. Props to him for doing 101.

• 1:20:48Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know. It's amazing.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  And he go, and I go, I appreciate you constantly reaching out to me. It meant, it meant a lot to me to see all of them come through. He said, thanks, man. 14 consecutive weeks of that was brutal. Did you ever watch our documentary about the 100? How do you feel now about the decision to stop on the final day now that you're several days removed? I said, I did watch it multiple times. I'm happy with my decision. I feel content. I didn't have anything more. Everyone else knows the story.

• 1:21:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  And James, you can post that screenshot so everyone else can read the rest of that message if you want. But then to just blatantly stab me in the back was unlike anything that I like, like it was the first time I had ever had any type of hate that like hurt my chest.

• 1:21:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:21:32Cameron Hanes?

  It's more real because as somebody who you thought you had a relationship with.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, and I looked up to you like, I looked at you like, like you did this incredible thing. And

• 1:21:45Cameron Hanes?

  You were always complimentary in those texts that you, that you were, that you read.

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was like, and you know, and I, and I, over and over again, I was like, thank you. Thank you.

• 1:21:52Cameron Hanes?

  Well, if you would have said, hey, I'm going to go, I'm going to crush whatever time James did. What, what, just like, I'm the next, I'm the future of this.

• 1:22:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, like I wanted, I, no, no. And, and multiple times where, you know, where we did the reels about, I'm going to do project seven. You know, I'm going to do seven Ironmans in seven days. People would comment and be like, James Lawrence did 100. And I was like, hell yeah. James, James Lawrence is the GOAT. Like, like I would say that over and over and over again. And then the guy that I call the greatest calls me a fraud.

• 1:22:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:25Speaker 01

  And says that, that I should have got out there and, and, and did what I said I was going to do. So because, because there's soldiers out there that don't get a choice and have to go to war. Fuck you, James.

• 1:22:38Speaker 01

  That's it. That's what I got for you. Like, and that, and then that's not a sue me for defamation, whatever you want. I'm, I'm telling, I'm telling how it is. I don't have nothing else to say about you. I'm just telling the facts. That's it.

• 1:22:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, it's, I think that hurt you. You meant, you admitted it hurt you and, you know,

• 1:23:01Cameron Hanes?

  and you're reacting to that, which, you know, I mean, I have a lot, I have pages dedicated to hating on me. I don't know those people.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:11Cameron Hanes?

  I wouldn't piss on them if they were on fire to put them out.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:15Cameron Hanes?

  I don't give a fuck. I don't know you. Say whatever you want. But if I know somebody and they're in my corner, I thought. And then that, that criticism or hate or judgment comes, then I'm like, why don't you just call me?

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, and that's what, that, that was, that was the tough part is, you know, I never reacted to it. I never fed into it. I didn't comment on it. I didn't do nothing. You know, and because I didn't want to, I didn't want to.

• 1:23:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:44Speaker 01

  I didn't want, like, I don't have anything bad to say about James Lawrence. Right? Like, I think what he did was incredible. I'm, congratulations. You are incredible. You are a phenomenal athlete. Because of what you did.

• 1:23:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:59Speaker 01

  But, but as a motivational speaker, as, as someone, as someone that I looked up to, not no more.

• 1:24:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Um, you know, by saying, it's, it's basically, you know, we, I talked about this, but, uh, we try not to judge ourselves on our works, on what we do. Because that's not, that's not everything. It's like, what's, what's in our heart? So when you judge somebody on, well, you didn't finish the seven Ironman, you're a piece of shit, or you're whatever. It's just like,

• 1:24:35Cameron Hanes?

  are you still a good person? Can we celebrate being a good person? Yeah. You had a huge goal, sometimes huge goals. And he, yeah, he obliterated that goal before. Great.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:46Cameron Hanes?

  But for you, your goal was seven Ironmans in seven days. And when you have a big goal, you're not always going to get them. It's fucking hard.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:56Cameron Hanes?

  One Ironman, I've never done one Ironman. And I said this on our shit talkers, we were talking, we were just talking fun shit. But I haven't done once. Who the fuck am I? Right? But you put yourself out there to be judged.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:10Cameron Hanes?

  You don't expect to get that criticism from somebody, as I said, who you thought believed in you.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that, and that's the thing is James, you like, you put it out there. You did it first. Don't be mad at me for saying this back. What did you want? You, did you want me to post about it? Did you want me to clip it? What, what did you want?

• 1:25:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:31Speaker 01

  So you know what? It is what it is. That's all I got. That's all I got for him. That's it.

• 1:25:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, I think, I think that's real. I just, I don't want to talk about, I don't want this to be, you know, this podcast has been so positive. But, but negativity is part of what we do, how we deal with it, how we move forward, how we internalize it. So it's important because with all the wins you've had, this still hurts.

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:58Cameron Hanes?

  Because we're, we're real, we're people.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And that's, and that's me as a man addressing it. That's it. That's all I got. You know, like, like truly, that's it. And this is the only time that I will address it. This is the only time I'll talk about it. But James, if that's what you're looking for, that's what you get. And, and you know what? I'm sorry if that hurts your feelings. Or maybe hopefully you're sitting there being like, damn, yeah, that's what I wanted. Well, hell yeah, buddy. Hell yeah.

• 1:26:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:23Speaker 01

  Give it to you.

• 1:26:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  You know, but the thing is,

• 1:26:28Speaker 01

  you know what, James, like, I forgive you, bro. You know, you want to shake hands after this? Let's shake hands after. I had to clap back. It's all love, baby. It's all love. So I'm not going to say I'm sorry because I'm not sorry for what I said.

• 1:26:43Cameron Hanes?

  Well,

• 1:26:43Speaker 01

  But what I will say is this all love.

• 1:26:47Cameron Hanes?

  You know, I think, okay, I mean, you, as I said, you're a real person. Real people have convoluted feelings. Five minutes ago, you said, fuck you, James Lawrence. 30 seconds ago, you said, it's all good. I forgive you.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:06Cameron Hanes?

  That's being a human. It's messy. It doesn't make sense sometimes. Sometimes we say stuff and we're like, okay, how about this?

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  I got heated. We'll leave it. It's raw and real.

• 1:27:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  But you know what?

• 1:27:18Cameron Hanes?

  It's real, dude.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  It is, it is, it is. I mean, man, I'm just, damn it. I'm trying to be a nice, I'm trying to be a good person at all times. And that's

• 1:27:27Cameron Hanes?

  I fail every day.

• 1:27:28Speaker 01

  That's the old me, but you know what? Judge me off of it. I'm sorry.

• 1:27:32Cameron Hanes?

  That I fail every day. I mean, James and I got baptized in August. And sometimes I go through a day and I say some stuff and I'm like, wow, I got a lot of work to do.

• 1:27:43Speaker 01

  Amanda, Amanda's like, you need to, you need to walk, walk like Jesus. Yes, yes.

• 1:27:47Cameron Hanes?

  Please help me.

• 1:27:47Speaker 01

  That's the problem is, is I, I'm walking around my house like this and she's like, we just need to walk like the Lord.

• 1:27:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  You're going to be all right. Take a deep breath and you put me on a podcast. I'm out of it. All I'm seeing is red.

• 1:28:01Cameron Hanes?

  Now, it's, I mean, I think anybody who listens to this, even James, should be able to, to assess where you're coming from.

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:10Cameron Hanes?

  And

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  Bro, it's just, it's just social media.

• 1:28:14Cameron Hanes?

  He, James got criticized himself during his things. So it's not like he's immune to like what it feels like. So I don't, whatever. I mean, I've been a fan of his too, and I want to be a fan. I, I don't want hate in this space.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:31Cameron Hanes?

  So, but you know, when somebody hurts you, that's real.

• 1:28:36Speaker 01

  Got to let it out. I've been holding that in since then.

• 1:28:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  Now I got it out. I, I feel a little bad.

• 1:28:40Cameron Hanes?

  Well, you, I mean, and you said you loved it.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  It's all love. I, hey, I had to get it out. You know what I'm saying? It's like when, you know, you just got to smash something. And it's like, like what's those little smash rooms? That was me just smashing my feelings. But it is all love.

• 1:28:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I, I mean, how can it not be love when we won? We, we've already won.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Dude, we, hey, we raised a shit ton of money for charity.

• 1:29:06Cameron Hanes?

  We, we got microphones here. People are listening to this.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  Yeah. Thank you. I guess for wanting us to yahoos to just yap. And I was like, people were saying, we're excited for this. And I'm like, y'all really just want to hear me and Cam just yap?

• 1:29:19Cameron Hanes?

  I guess so. And so I can think about the people who talk shit about me. But then I think about all the listeners and people who want to hear this and who, you know, maybe are looking for growth. And I'm like, why am I focused on these dipshits?

• 1:29:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:35Cameron Hanes?

  When I should, there's so much good to focus on. There's so much good in this world. There's so much good in Jesus's love for us. It's like, do I really need to carry this hate around?

• 1:29:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:46Cameron Hanes?

  I don't need to.

• 1:29:47Speaker 01

  See, man, Cam is speaking to my soul right now. Cam is like, bring it down. You're like, you're like, you're like daddying me right now.

• 1:29:53Cameron Hanes?

  Um, I mean, I, it's, it's, I'm not trying to.

• 1:29:56Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. I'm saying that in, in, in a good way where, you know, you let, you let me put it out there.

• 1:30:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  And then you're like, all right, like remember why we're here.

• 1:30:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And that's, it'd be, I've had these same conversations with my boys, you know? Because especially Truett, he puts himself out there and he, he puts a big target on his back and gets criticized a lot. And we talk about it. He's to the point where it doesn't faze him at all. He loves it. He screenshots this tool. And, but, but I think it's different when somebody who you thought was in your corner. That's my whole point. Um, I just think that I don't know the, why that would be a public criticism on somebody who they were helping.

• 1:30:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:39Cameron Hanes?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:40Cameron Hanes?

  Anyway, I, I just don't get that, but who am I?

• 1:30:45Speaker 01

  A nobody is what we all are.

• 1:30:48Cameron Hanes?

  Um, this is the worst part of the, of the podcast normally. And normally we'll just cut this because there's going to be nothing constructive. But James, you got anything?

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's go.

• 1:31:02Cameron Hanes?

  James Lawrence back here on the mic.

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  I don't even know what that means, but let's do it.

• 1:31:06Cameron Hanes?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:31:06Speaker 02

  Hell, yeah. You didn't think you were getting out of here without a fuck, marry, kill, did you?

• 1:31:10Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:31:12Speaker 02

  So as you put in a nicotine pouch, your fuck, marry, kill is nicotine, Crispy Kreme and McDonald's.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  Fuck. Like I'm actually fucking it?

• 1:31:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:27Speaker 01

  Krispy Kreme.

• 1:31:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's a one time deal. Marry is every day.

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:31:33Cameron Hanes?

  Kill is you never have it again.

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  Kill McDonald's.

• 1:31:36Cameron Hanes?

  Never again, huh? No McDonald's?

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:31:39Cameron Hanes?

  The fries?

• 1:31:44Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, okay. No McDonald's.

• 1:31:46Speaker 01

  You can mimic the fries somewhere else. I've had fries somewhere. They always taste like McDonald's fries.

• 1:31:49Cameron Hanes?

  In-N-Out fries.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:51Cameron Hanes?

  Those are pretty good.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Whataburger, Texas.

• 1:31:53Cameron Hanes?

  Pretty good. Okay.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  Fuck Dunkin'. But like, wait, hold on. Like, I'm telling it to fuck off, or I'm actually fucking it.

• 1:32:00Speaker 02

  One time. One night stand.

• 1:32:01Cameron Hanes?

  One night.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, give me a donut for sure. That sounds fun.

• 1:32:04Cameron Hanes?

  So, and then you're, you're gonna marry, what, what was it, nicotine?

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm marrying nicotine.

• 1:32:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:10Speaker 01

  Forever and always. Marrying Outpouch, for sure.

• 1:32:13Cameron Hanes?

  Thank you, Tucker Carlson.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, thanks, Tuck. And then I'm gonna kill.

• 1:32:18Cameron Hanes?

  Do you know Lexi?

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  I don't know Lexi.

• 1:32:20Cameron Hanes?

  She works with Tucker, right?

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:25Cameron Hanes?

  She's my go-to.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  Well, I told Amanda, so I bought a horse.

• 1:32:27Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  I haven't closed on the ranch yet, but I already bought the horse.

• 1:32:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you need a horse.

• 1:32:31Speaker 01

  I think I should name it Tuck.

• 1:32:33Cameron Hanes?

  There you go.

• 1:32:33Speaker 01

  Tuck's good.

• 1:32:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:35Speaker 01

  Old Tuck.

• 1:32:35Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:32:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, she said.

• 1:32:37Cameron Hanes?

  James tucks his unit in behind his legs.

• 1:32:42Cameron Hanes?

  Makes a fruit bowl from the back. Got a banana, apples, orange.

• 1:32:47Speaker 01

  Fruit bowl. Oh, man, yeah.

• 1:32:52Cameron Hanes?

  He says, hey, look, do I look like a girl? And he's got his shit.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  Anyways, are you friends with Aaron Rodgers?

• 1:33:00Cameron Hanes?

  Of course. Yeah, I got, I took Aaron up Spencer's View, got him a bow.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:33:06Cameron Hanes?

  That, that same mountain we climbed. What else you got, James? What else you got?

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  I wanted, I wanted you to talk more about the, the steps you took because you, you went from, you know, maybe from the outside at least, a moment of mental weakness, you know, contemplating suicide, to now you have this really strong work ethic, mental toughness. Obviously, that doesn't happen overnight. So what are some baby steps if somebody really is kind of struggling that they can get themselves going in the right direction?

• 1:33:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it is, it is, you know, it's setting the small mental wins. And, you know, I try to, I try to not look at life, and Amanda hates this probably about me, but I try to not over, like, look too far ahead. You know, it's, it truly, it's, it's, it's day by day and step by step. You know, and that's, that's a tough way to live life, to be honest, especially with how busy we are. You know, but, but truly, it's just, it's taking, it's taking the small steps, you know, forward. I love this saying is, you know, forward is still a pace. Right?

• 1:34:19Cameron Hanes?

  No matter how slow.

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  No matter how slow, you're still moving forward. And it was just, it was taking that one single step time and time and time over again. But when it comes to practicing mental toughness, I find that within running. You know, is, it's hard. Running's hard. That's why people don't do it. Like, you know, and, and it is, no matter, no matter at what level that you're at, no matter if you're a guy that runs thirty miles in six hours, or if you're a guy that runs a two fifteen marathon, running is hard.

• 1:34:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:53Speaker 01

  And to me, it's, you know, being able to, like, my, my damn near daily non-negotiable is a run. We talked about that this morning. You know, running to me, everyone's like.

• 1:35:04Cameron Hanes?

  That's the baseline.

• 1:35:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, and everyone's like, you know, as I've been, you know, because these last, these last weeks, I've clipped one twenty-three, one ten, one hundred, ninety, you know, I've ran four hundred and ten miles in the last four weeks, four hundred and twenty. And, you know, everyone's like, what are you training for? I'm not training. Like, like, this is not training. This is just me, you know, moving and grooving throughout my life, throughout my day. You know, I wake up, I go run for, you know, it's my piece. And, you know, that doesn't need to be running for anybody out there that is struggling mentally. Find something, shoot a bow.

• 1:35:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:41Speaker 01

  Go on a run, go lift weights, go to a yoga class, go do Pilates. But like, working, working on your mental health should be just as much as a priority as fitness. You know, and that's been a big thing for me is, you know, with me blowing up on this podcast, I'm probably gonna get a text. I'm looking at my phone right now from my therapist.

• 1:36:03Cameron Hanes?

  This is live.

• 1:36:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, it's not live. Okay, we're good. You know, is, you know, I've been, like, I went back to therapy. And not really back. I mean, I, I went to therapy for the first time.

• 1:36:15Speaker 01

  And she's absolutely incredible. Uh, her name's Sarah with, I think it's like high, high performer therapy. Anyway, she, uh, I, I found her through David Roche, talked about her. She, she works with David Roche.

• 1:36:27Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  Um, and reach out to me on Instagram. I'd love to connect anybody with her. Um, she's been the most incredible thing for me. But like, not being afraid to go to therapy, to seek help, to, you know, because I, I, I have obsessive compulsive tendencies. PTSD. I have a lot of shit that I'm working through. I have a lot of shit that Amanda and I are working through. Like, we're, I'm, I'm trying to be the best man that I can be. And you have to actively take steps to be a good man in order to be a good human being, in order to, you know, be good for people around you.

• 1:37:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  And James, so to answer your question, it's, it's, you have to take the steps to take care of your mental health. And you have to train your brain just like you train your body. You know, and that's, and that's do overcoming a hard thing every day. That's what I believe. And, you know, don't be scared to ask for help. Don't be scared to, to say, I, I need help. Things are wrong. Like, like, I have, I have mental problems that I am working through. And, you know, that's why I'm seeing Sarah. And she's helping me with that. And the more that I speak on it, the more that I talk about it, the more that it helps me, but the more that I hope helps other young men and women to realize that it's okay to admit that, like, you're a little fucked up.

• 1:37:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:47Speaker 01

  And that you, you need help. You need to acknowledge those problems. You know, talking about my past. You know, watching my mom get her face smashed off of a vehicle and losing her teeth. Watching her be drugged to her, to her fucking bedroom by her hair, you know, and then finding her when I was, you know, sixteen years old, she accidentally OD'd. You know, because she was trying to escape that trauma.

• 1:38:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:13Speaker 01

  You know, that, like, that shit will mess you up. And.

• 1:38:17Cameron Hanes?

  And that doesn't go away.

• 1:38:18Speaker 01

  No, and it doesn't. And that's, and that's the thing is I have to talk about it because it's the truth. It's my truth.

• 1:38:23Cameron Hanes?

  When did the counseling start?

• 1:38:25Speaker 01

  With Sarah? Um, when did I start with? It was March? Huh? Yeah, March. With, like, and it was the most incredible thing. Like, I, um, I started having a lot of, a lot of problems leading up to Project Seven. Um, which, actually, our documentary is coming out next Friday, and I talk about, I open up about everything that went wrong. Health issues, mental, mental issues. We moved houses, shit just got weird in my brain, and I needed help. And I connected with a therapist, and then crazy enough, just the way that God works, Sarah's husband I coached back in the day.

• 1:39:06Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  And he reached out to me and was like, hey, my wife, you know, is a therapist. She's worked with high level athletes. If you have any of your athletes. And he didn't even know I didn't coach nobody. I needed help.

• 1:39:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  And I immediately reached out to her and I was like, hey, you know, I need help.

• 1:39:25Cameron Hanes?

  I have this athlete, Mike.

• 1:39:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's crazy.

• 1:39:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  You know, and, and it, it's just, it's, it's really helped me. I'm, I'm, I'm trying my best to, to lean on God, to lean on my faith, to lean on Sarah, to lean on the people around me. And it's still a, it's still a work in progress, you know, but I'm trying my best because I think I'm a good person, but I want to become the best man I can be. And talking with Sarah, like, I'll even go on runs. And that will, like, I'll schedule my call, because now we've cleared, like, I was like, hey, can we just have a, have a call? This was a couple of months ago.

• 1:40:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:04Speaker 01

  And she's like, yeah, she's like, I can just call you. So I'll have my, my earphones in and I'll be running and we'll talk while I run. And it just helps me. You can't look anywhere else. You can't, you know, you can't escape, you know, because you're just there.

• 1:40:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  And it's helped me. It's helped me a lot. You have to, you, you have to take care of yourself before you can take care of other people around you.

• 1:40:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  And, you know,

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  take care of yourself first because you are the most valuable asset that you have. Your body, your brain, your soul are the only one that you get. And if they start slowly dying, you start dying with it.

• 1:40:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I think that's great advice. I think that's very helpful for people to hear because a lot of people are struggling and don't know what to do and feel lost or feel like as men, you know, you're a pussy if you need help. It's not, it's not real. That's, that's, that is not a real story. Um, yeah, well, okay. So tell me about how, how was your day today? The lift run, shoot, shooting a bow for the first time. How was the, the day's experience? We're, we're about wrapping up. We're gonna go get dinner.

• 1:41:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:17Cameron Hanes?

  But.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  Well, okay, first off, I just want to say this, and thank you, Jesus, I didn't. I almost ran this morning.

• 1:41:25Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  That was, that was the big, that was the, the first saving grace was I, you know, we're, we're PSD right now. And I woke up at four o'clock in the morning. Cause I wake up at 6:00 AM back home naturally.

• 1:41:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:38Speaker 01

  And I woke up at 4:00 AM and I was like, well, I mean, I don't, I'm meeting Cam at nine. I don't have nothing to do.

• 1:41:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  I guess I'm gonna go run. I open the door, 32 degrees. Fuck no.

• 1:41:52Speaker 01

  Hell nah. And I, I went back inside and just decided to, to work because then people started hitting me up at like, you know, five, seven, eight AM. So I started working and then, yeah, we went out and, uh, man, I'll tell you what, it's just, it's humbling to be fit and then get absolutely fucking destroyed by somebody. Especially Cam Haynes. It's cool, man. Like, like, like it, it was so much fun to, it's very cool to see how fit you are. It's very motivating for me as a man to, you know, I'm gonna walk away from here and strive to, to live my life better. And in a healthier way, as much as I can, because one day I want to be, I want to be like you, you know?

• 1:42:37Speaker 01

  And that was something that Amanda and I talked about in the car where I'm like, it gives me so much hope for, you know, I want, especially looking at you as a dad, like as someone who didn't have a father figure and hearing you today, talk about both of your sons, both of them, you know, multiple times. And hearing, I told Amanda just how like proud you are of them and you're telling me about them. And, you know, Truett and Tanner and, and, you know, right? Cause Tanner just killed a.

• 1:43:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, killed a buck today.

• 1:43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. So Tanner killed a buck. I heard all about that. Truett just run the Chicago marathon. I heard all about that. Hearing the pride that you have in them and just seeing the way that you live your life, the kindness that you, that you showed us and, and bringing us in and loving us immediately. And, you know, so it's, it's been really cool to be here. We went out, we shot a bow. That was cool. That was cool. I, I, I'm glad I did. I don't know.

• 1:43:34Cameron Hanes?

  So good.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  Um, that was really cool to be a beginner again at something. Um, you know, one of my, one of my sayings is, you know, what a blessing it is to be a beginner again.

• 1:43:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:46Speaker 01

  And, you know, I, I truly believe in, you know, trying to not be a know it all and taking a step back. And allowing someone to teach you the right way from the very beginning. Um, you know, it's a very important trait to try to carry with you as, as a human being is, you know, to take a step back and just listen sometimes. Um, so, you know, approaching it in that way. Um, you know, shooting the bow was fun. Uh, the owner of the bow shot, let's give him a shout out. Wayne.

• 1:44:12Cameron Hanes?

  Wayne Nindikot. He's the herd bow.

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  And his wife, incredible people, great people. It like so kind, so, so helpful. And just seeing the people that you surround yourself with, once again, it's just, I'm, I'm gonna walk out of here and just, I'm gonna know where I want to be as I, you know, grow within life and as a man, you know, you have shown me what it's like to be a good person, you know, and, and yeah, it's cool. And I can't thank you enough for that. Truly. Like I, I really want all of you out there that, that know Cam through these like, what do you call them? Parasocial relationships? You know, all of you that are a fan of Cam and what he does.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  He is more incredible than what he even shows on social media. He's not paying me to say that. He's just, you have been, I haven't had this much. I needed this. I needed this step away from, from real life. And I needed to see the way someone else lived. James, shout out to you. Appreciate you. James and I have been texting back and forth. He's been, he's been helping me. Your team's been helping me, you know?

• 1:45:19Cameron Hanes?

  Don't forget, you also did 155 bench. Don't forget that. He weighs 125.

• 1:45:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I know. Amanda, Amanda keeps telling me I need to gain weight. So your boy's gotta get his weight back up. That project, project six and a half fucked me up.

• 1:45:36Cameron Hanes?

  Your protein's gonna help. James, you anything else?

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  I have one more thing.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  I noticed during, uh, your training for project six and a half and Ironman Texas, that you had hog watch on your shorts.

• 1:45:53Cameron Hanes?

  Who?

• 1:45:54Speaker 02

  My question is, how did you lease such a sought after thing?

• 1:46:00Speaker 01

  Yo, shout out Max memes. Yo, did you buy the undies?

• 1:46:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  I don't even know. I had, uh, I, I, I messaged him and I told him that I give him a royalty of every pair.

• 1:46:11Cameron Hanes?

  So what? They say hog watch on them?

• 1:46:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so Zoo, uh, the, the, the triathlon suit company.

• 1:46:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  Um, we did like a custom store with, you know, Matt Johnson kits that people could buy. And down at the very bottom, we did hog watch underwear. So on the front it said hog watch.

• 1:46:29Cameron Hanes?

  Nice.

• 1:46:29Speaker 01

  And I sent it to him. I sent it to him and I was like, yo, like, can I do this? And he's like, yeah, as long as you give me a royalty. And he's like, nah, he's like, I'm playing. He's like, yeah, just, just, just tag me in it. And I don't even know, you know, cause it just, that whole project was so much harder. I had no time. I don't even know if anyone bought anything. Uh, hopefully, hopefully they did. Shout out Zoo. Thank you so much. If you guys are looking for triathlon suits and they, they did really right by me and helped me out. Incredible suits, but yeah, I like that saying. I wonder if he's trademarked it. If not, I'd love to trademark it and sell it to him.

• 1:47:07Cameron Hanes?

  I doubt it. Those memes, it's usually just for fun and just messing around, but, um, yeah, I mean, I love your energy, your attitude. I'm very thankful you, you came and, um, yeah, I just had a great day with you and now you're taking a bow home.

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, got it at the back of the Jeep.

• 1:47:26Cameron Hanes?

  That warms my heart. Just knowing you're gonna be in Texas shooting a bow is, that's all I care about is just, just sharing my life with others. And hopefully, you know, it's a, it's a positive, positive impact. And so, yeah, I'm super thankful, Matt.

• 1:47:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I just, I appreciate your friendship.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you.

• 1:47:44Cameron Hanes?

  Thank you, brother.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

• 1:47:46Cameron Hanes?

  All right, guys. That's Keep Hammering. Give Matt Johnson a follow. Watch his stuff. Film coming out about the project seven. Uh, yeah, just support him if you can. Thank you, guys. Thank you, Amanda. Thank you, Matt.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  Yes, sir. Thank you so much.