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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:34Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  I'm Nick.

• 0:39Speaker 03

  I'm Sam.

• 0:40Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. Sam is here today.

• 0:42Speaker 03

  He's a person.

• 0:43Doug DeMuro?

  All right, start with the news.

• 0:44Speaker 02

  Great intro.

• 0:45Doug DeMuro?

  Should we talk about Sam? Sam is a friend of ours. Listen, I'm going to tell you what happened. Filippo is gone. He's departed from our lives. And I'm old enough to remember what all the comments were. I hate Filippo. He's the worst. What's he doing on the pod? Well, the most recent comments have been, Filippo, the pod isn't the same without you. Oh my God, Filippo. Anyway, without Filippo.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  It has kind of gone downhill.

• 1:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's gone downhill mainly because.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  Of Nick.

• 1:09Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo departed.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  Oh, right. People listening should see The Office. This office is pure chaos. There's garbage everywhere.

• 1:18Doug DeMuro?

  Without Filippo, we've had to have some stand-ins. So, last week, we had Ryan Lopez, who performed admirably, except that he said he wants to get a Model 3. This week, we have Sam. Now, next week, we have Cars and Bids CEO. More on that in a little bit. But the CEO of Cars and Bids is coming to our podcast.

• 1:39Speaker 03

  Much more important than I am.

• 1:41Doug DeMuro?

  But now, we have Sam.

• 1:42Speaker 03

  I'm honored to be here. I'm here to be the reasonable Porsche guy on the podcast.

• 1:46Doug DeMuro?

  Sam is reasonable. Sam is rational. Sam is, he is a Porsche guy. He's had a couple of Porsches.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  Yeah. That does make you a good Filippo replacement.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  I feel like that's true.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:55Speaker 03

  I'm less Italian, but.

• 1:58Speaker 02

  That's good.

• 1:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Do you, are you happy to see Sam or do you miss?

• 2:01Speaker 03

  I love Sam.

• 2:01Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. All right, let's start with the news.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  I love you too, Nick.

• 2:05Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that's my cue.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  I'm driving. Oh my God.

• 2:07Doug DeMuro?

  I want to tell everybody also, Nick, for those of you who watch this podcast, Nick has the computer today to do the, it's going to be chaos.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  I have only started using a Mac seven years ago. I'm still learning the shortcuts.

• 2:19Doug DeMuro?

  What? Like, for instance, the arrow key.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Right, that's new for Nick. Well, the whole three finger thing.

• 2:24Doug DeMuro?

  First, I had a child four days ago, and yet I'm here. And you want to know why I'm here? I'm going to tell you something, folks. I am dedicated to this podcast. Yeah.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  You're a man of the people.

• 2:34Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, this is another way that Filippo screwed me. In addition to crashing a car that I own.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40Doug DeMuro?

  He left the day I had a child, and so now I have to come here. You, the three of you, could have done this without me if Filippo was still here. But he is really out to screw me over.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, he took your paternity leave.

• 2:53Doug DeMuro?

  He took, that's right. That's what he did.

• 2:54Speaker 02

  He was also supposed to bring cookies the other night and didn't?

• 2:57Doug DeMuro?

  He owes, I think Filippo owes me.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Money.

• 3:00Doug DeMuro?

  Time. I would like Filippo to take time out of his life and give it to me.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Don't you think you should dis settle for a Bronco Philson?

• 3:07Doug DeMuro?

  No. I had a child. I want to tell you about this Mercedes station wagon, which we've already talked about. But it hit me as I was driving it home from the hospital, after I radically overpaid for it to get it here just for this purpose. You know, this car was so new in Russia, according to the Mercedes report, whatever they call it, the VIN decoder. It was then in Japan for years. It was brought to the Netherlands a decade ago. It was in the Netherlands for 10 years. And then we brought it to California. And then it brought my child home from the hospital.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Imagine if you told the guy that took delivery of that in Russia, that it was bringing a baby home in San Diego.

• 3:44Doug DeMuro?

  Totally. Even the guy we bought it from in the Netherlands was like, kind of in shock when he figured out what we were, what we were planning with it. And here it is.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  The craziest thing is, this photo of all of your photos, it, to a random passerby, they would not think twice of like, oh, this is a special car. It's like, oh, there's an old Mercedes.

• 4:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, old Mercedes. But we now have three babies. We've taken all home from the hospital in German station wagons.

• 4:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. This was a serious push to get this car. This was like a six-month process.

• 4:10Doug DeMuro?

  It took us all summer to get it right.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  This was the only purpose you bought it for, right?

• 4:14Doug DeMuro?

  We bought it. Yeah, that's right. It really was. It's not gone yet, because what I've learned is there are only two fun three-row cars ever made. And this is one of the two. And so, the other one being the 100 Series Land Cruiser, as we discussed last week. And so, this is kind of, I think I'm kind of stuck with this car. Like, what else am I going to do?

• 4:33Speaker 02

  I don't know, but I think it taught me two things. One, monoblocks rule the world. I look at this photo, I don't even see a car. I just see these big, fat five-spoke.

• 4:44Doug DeMuro?

  I think I, I think I've mentioned this before on this pod, but when I owned one of these in 2012, and at that time, monoblocks were free. Everyone wanted to get out of them. They were these fat, ugly, small Mercedes-Benz wheels. And they were on Craigslist for 400 bucks for a set. And I had an E55 with the monoblocks, which I loved. Years later, this car shows up. It didn't have monoblocks on it. We spent like $3,500 plus we had to get them refinished in order to get monoblocks on this car.

• 5:10Speaker 03

  They looked so good.

• 5:11Doug DeMuro?

  And that's what they go for. They're on eBay. They're very expensive.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  It really is one of the best wheels.

• 5:15Doug DeMuro?

  It is. You going to buy this car?

• 5:16Speaker 03

  I would like to.

• 5:17Doug DeMuro?

  Sam's got all sorts of kids too. Sam.

• 5:19Speaker 03

  Not as many kids as you, but.

• 5:21Doug DeMuro?

  Sam's going to buy this car off me at the end and drive it around.

• 5:23Speaker 03

  I would seriously consider it. As we'll talk about, there's very few interesting cars that are family cars.

• 5:30Doug DeMuro?

  This is pretty cool.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  I got, I got a better E55 for you when you're ready.

• 5:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:33Doug DeMuro?

  Doug, Doug was so jealous.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  Clutch kick, supercharger clutch.

• 5:37Speaker 02

  I let him drive my car last week, and he was so jealous of it. He literally rips the shifter off.

• 5:43Doug DeMuro?

  What's it like to drive Nick's E55?

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Then I get an air suspension fault because he's like, literally like trying to.

• 5:47Doug DeMuro?

  You drive it around, you go to shift, woo, there goes the shifter.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  I have also fixed that since, and it was actually my error for the record, not DC's. Yeah, when I took it off to try to trouble you.

• 5:58Speaker 03

  How could it be your error?

• 5:58Speaker 02

  I didn't tighten it all the way, and so it was a little loose. Funny enough, Sean was behind me on the freeway, and I tried to do a burnout for him, and I pulled the shifter off the knob again. And had to abandon the burnout halfway through.

• 6:10Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I'm truly astonished that while attempting to fix something, you made it worse.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  I heard that your car had some concerns and it wouldn't make it to the hospital.

• 6:17Doug DeMuro?

  Nope.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  A little flat battery, a little, you know, cold start issues.

• 6:21Doug DeMuro?

  No, this is a, this is a 210. These don't have problems.

• 6:24Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, well.

• 6:24Doug DeMuro?

  This car is going to run, it's got 135,000 miles.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  A lot of people were saying it may or may not make it.

• 6:29Doug DeMuro?

  This car is perfect. It will always be perfect. It is, it is, it is wonderful. I sit and look at the car and think, what do I do with this? Do I keep it? Do I make it more perfect? Do I just let it go? Do I give it to Sam? As a, as a, as a present for his next child?

• 6:44Speaker 03

  I could take my next child home from the hospital.

• 6:46Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell you what, I'll make you a deal. I'm in the car for 51.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 6:49Doug DeMuro?

  You give me a 50, nice 52.

• 6:52Speaker 02

  You're in it for 51, is that for real?

• 6:54Speaker 03

  I'll give you 22.

• 6:55Doug DeMuro?

  This is like the A-class. Let me tell you the problem.

• 6:57Speaker 03

  He says you're kidding. He bought a car for $18,000, and he's in it 45.

• 7:02Doug DeMuro?

  This Bentley Ornage, he paid eight grand. He was in it for 40-plus hours and days and weeks when the car was unavailable to him. He couldn't even sell it because it was so unavailable in the shop.

• 7:12Speaker 02

  52 for that? It's not even supercharged.

• 7:15Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, the good news is.

• 7:16Speaker 02

  It's an automatic.

• 7:17Doug DeMuro?

  First off, it was 51. And second, the good news is, I believe I could sell it tomorrow for 23. No problem.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  You could have had a 211 with a manual swap.

• 7:26Doug DeMuro?

  I radically prefer the 210. This is my favorite AMG wagon.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  Is it your favorite child?

• 7:32Speaker 03

  Good question.

• 7:34Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it is, it is funny because the middle child was taken home in the, our E450 Altair. And everybody's been like, the middle child got screwed. But like, if you live in my world, you know that that's the best of the three. The RS2 definitely wasn't.

• 7:48Speaker 02

  It was certainly the safest. So if you look from there, you were most protective of middle child.

• 7:52Doug DeMuro?

  Indeed.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  And RS2 is probably the worst.

• 7:54Doug DeMuro?

  We in our household and in our community worship the E450 Altair, my E450 Altair. That, we love that car.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Legitimately, I think it's super cool that you match having a different car to bring each kid home from, and you were really intentional about it. Unlike me, who used a Ford Focus because I didn't want to get door dings.

• 8:12Doug DeMuro?

  The Ford, you drove the Ford Focus?

• 8:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:14Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, Lord.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  You're in a hospital for a while.

• 8:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's true. I found a nice end spot.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:20Speaker 03

  This car is very cool. And I think sitting in it, it's pretty impressive, like, all the tech it has.

• 8:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 8:24Speaker 03

  It feels, it doesn't feel modern. But yeah, like, all the things you'd want, and it looks so cool.

• 8:30Doug DeMuro?

  It's also just like Teutonic. It's very solid driving it.

• 8:33Speaker 03

  And it's huge.

• 8:34Doug DeMuro?

  I feel safe, honestly, with the kids all in it because now they're all riding in it because we ride in the back.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  I mean, for 52, it better drive Ryan Lopez to the office and back.

• 8:42Doug DeMuro?

  The only problem is now, because we did a ton of stuff, suspension, the only problem is it's got cosmetic issues. One of the fenders is a little off. The front is kind of blasted with rock chips. And so.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  Dump another 10 into it. Why not? You're already underwater by 100%.

• 8:56Doug DeMuro?

  If I was Nick, what I would do is, I would try to DIY it. I would spend three grand on paint and supplies, overspray into the tires, and then have to hire somebody else to do it for the 10 grand that it would originally have cost.

• 9:09Speaker 03

  Someone would come up to you in the Home Depot parking lot, offering their services to repaint it.

• 9:13Doug DeMuro?

  Nick could be like, he was only three grand.

• 9:15Speaker 03

  Seemed reasonable.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  I think what I would have really done was film a YouTube video talking about how Patina was really cool and that it was intentionally not restored.

• 9:22Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember when you pulled the paint off of your Maserati in front of my house?

• 9:27Speaker 03

  One of my favorite moments.

• 9:28Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, take us through the moment. You could, Sam, you take us through the moment. You were there.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Oh, it was great.

• 9:32Doug DeMuro?

  Tell us from your perspective what happened that day.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  You know, Nick was showing us his new Maserati. Beautiful color. And he was telling us it had front PPF, but it was a little worn, and he wanted to take it off. And so, he decided that was the moment it needed to happen.

• 9:46Doug DeMuro?

  We were just like sitting in front of my house.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  No one asked him to do it.

• 9:48Doug DeMuro?

  And there was no like heat, you know, there was no light. Anyway.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  It was a cool day.

• 9:52Speaker 02

  I thought the motor was hot, the hood would be hot.

• 9:55Doug DeMuro?

  He has since told me that he thought because he drove the car to my house, that warmed up the PPF.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  From here.

• 9:59Doug DeMuro?

  True.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  It had a Ferrari-derived V8 in it.

• 10:02Doug DeMuro?

  Ferrari-derived V8, so.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  And he picked up a nice corner, and he decided that was the moment to tear and get rid of that PPF.

• 10:08Doug DeMuro?

  And as I recall, it was pretty quick.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  It was quick, yeah.

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Our friend Kevin gave me like a thorough demo on it, and it got me overconfident. And then I was just like, look how easy it is.

• 10:17Doug DeMuro?

  Our friend Kevin, a professional PPF installer.

• 10:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:21Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway.

• 10:22Speaker 02

  Mistakes were made.

• 10:23Doug DeMuro?

  Mistakes were made.

• 10:23Speaker 02

  Congratulations on the new baby and the wagon.

• 10:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  And I hope you financially recover from that one day.

• 10:31Doug DeMuro?

  You won't. Oh, the station wagon? You know, it's like the A-class. The problem is that I don't, I don't know where to stop when it comes to, like, here's the problem, really. My 993 and my Ford Gt500, I can put as much money into it as I want, and I'll get it all back.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:48Doug DeMuro?

  And so, I've never really been able to say no when it comes to, hey, this is this, hey, the headliner's sagging, hey, the suspension's tired. I'm like, yeah, just do it. But sometimes it doesn't make financial sense.

• 10:58Speaker 03

  Nick, what are you into your E55?

• 10:59Speaker 02

  Less than that.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  How much less?

• 11:01Speaker 02

  I don't like to keep.

• 11:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 11:04Doug DeMuro?

  What you pay, you're in it 18.

• 11:06Speaker 02

  I think it's, yeah, I don't know. It probably isn't far off.

• 11:09Doug DeMuro?

  I think you're probably pretty close. You have 298,000 miles.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  208,000.

• 11:15Doug DeMuro?

  208, I'm sorry, my bad. I couldn't remember where the numbers were.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:19Doug DeMuro?

  I knew it got up there.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  And the shifter comes off. And no monoblocks.

• 11:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, although the the the split five spokes on your car are attractive.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  They're nice.

• 11:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, okay. Uh, the next news story, the biggest news story is that the Ford GT is for sale. Nick, do you have any?

• 11:33Speaker 02

  It's already, uh, off to a decent start.

• 11:36Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, are you sad to see this car leave?

• 11:38Speaker 02

  I suspect it'll be another Ford GT in our future very soon. So I I will say the photos make me like the blue a lot more than I realized. And I'm now questioning whether a baby blue on orange replacement was the wisest decision, but it it looks so cool.

• 11:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  Also, I didn't realize you had forty five thousand miles, forty six. That's serious.

• 11:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 11:59Speaker 02

  All of the comps I'm watching, like ten thousand miles is like a high mileage. Oh, my gosh, someone actually drove it.

• 12:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  And most of them have like fourteen miles.

• 12:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, when I bought it, uh, it was thirty one thousand, which was already extremely high in two thousand and eighteen. And that was kind of the point, you know? I didn't think that I could mess it up by driving it more. And I actually think that the miles have all been free, separate from the value of the car.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:21Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know that there's a dramatic difference, even if the car hadn't risen at all in value. I don't know if there's a dramatic difference between a thirty one thousand mile and a forty five thousand mile car on the used market. They're both considered exceptionally high.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't distinguish.

• 12:32Doug DeMuro?

  I think all of the miles were free. And then in addition to that.

• 12:34Speaker 02

  And it's a Ford V eight, like, like, no one's really questioning, like, oh, can the motor handle forty five thousand? Like, it's not.

• 12:40Doug DeMuro?

  Especially because the fastest, you know, street legal car in the world is a is a Ford GT on a on a stock block.

• 12:46Speaker 02

  It's it's so wild, too. You were sending videos and you, um, someone sent the Gas Monkey Garage, like three hundred mile per hour drag car.

• 12:52Doug DeMuro?

  That car, yeah.

• 12:53Speaker 02

  Like, in period, people were modding the crap out of them.

• 12:56Doug DeMuro?

  That guy still drives that car in Florida to this day.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  But most, most of the new Ford GT owners are like, let me put it in plastic and like, don't even look at it too hard because I don't want to like devalue it.

• 13:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's kind of a shame, especially because, like, the, if you really look at the values of the really low mile stuff versus the high mile stuff, it's not that significant. And all of them did so well. It's like, you should have just had the experience. It's been an amazing experience having this car.

• 13:19Speaker 03

  It seems like the floor on these cars is rising every day, though. I do wonder, like, what is the absolute floor of a Ford GT for, like, a rough story car? There's that guy in the forums that has, like, one hundred and fifty thousand miles. Like, what's that car worth? Four hundred?

• 13:32Doug DeMuro?

  There's a ton of forum guys who have sixty, seventy, eighty. There's one guy who claims to have over, well over a hundred thousand. I think he's in Arizona.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. I was searching for a salvage title one, and I think even a salvage title one is beyond what I'm willing to spend.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 13:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  This is sad, though. You know, this car, right when we met and moved to, both of us moved to San Diego at the same time, you bought this car.

• 13:52Doug DeMuro?

  I remember it's summer of eighteen.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. It was so expensive and so precious.

• 13:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 13:57Speaker 03

  It's crazy how many years it's been.

• 14:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. This car, me and Sam, were right there at the beginning. To be clear, me and Sam came first.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  That's right. Then Nick.

• 14:07Doug DeMuro?

  Nick was an interloper.

• 14:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:09Doug DeMuro?

  Was and is.

• 14:11Speaker 03

  I don't actually remember the first time we met Nick, but I remember he drove a heavily modded TTRS.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 14:17Speaker 03

  Maybe that's the last time I see this guy.

• 14:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. You admit the money shift?

• 14:21Speaker 02

  No, it was never money shift.

• 14:23Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, sure.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  Right, allegedly. It is amazing, though. Forty six thousand miles or, is that what it is? Forty six?

• 14:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, something like that.

• 14:29Speaker 03

  The interior looks incredible.

• 14:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's pretty nice.

• 14:32Speaker 03

  Especially compared to the stuff that Ford was selling at the time.

• 14:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the end of the line for the Ford GT. And by the way, if you want to go see this car in person, it's going to be at the Willow Springs Reimagined Event on October seventeen. Willow Springs, a racetrack in the desert.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Don't you think the new Filippo should be doing?

• 14:49Speaker 03

  I know, that was such a Filippo part.

• 14:51Doug DeMuro?

  You say it.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  Chill it, chill it harder.

• 14:53Doug DeMuro?

  Chill it like Filippo Wada.

• 14:55Speaker 03

  Uh, he's, he doesn't really chill it harder than that.

• 14:58Doug DeMuro?

  No, but he.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  He's a frequency guy. He'll hit you four times.

• 15:01Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, all right, all right. Then keep it, keep it alive. Keep it alive. Uh, October seventeen, Willow Springs.

• 15:05Speaker 02

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• 17:57Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, the real big news story this week is the Jaguar O one situation. Nick, tell, take us through the Jaguar.

• 18:02Speaker 02

  We officially have, so it it's obviously been a bit of a controversial launch and ad campaign and all that. This is the production vehicle. So we're no longer looking at a concept or a pre-prod. This is what it's going to look like when it hits the shores, when you see it driving around Miami or Scottsdale or Park City.

• 18:20Speaker 03

  Park City? Who's driving this? You're so wrong, but continue.

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Park City is where all the, like, new rich people go to, like.

• 18:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's a mountain. Okay, just continue, continue.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  People who like bohas architecture.

• 18:32Doug DeMuro?

  Bohas, all right, I'm gonna take over. Fully electric Jaguar, as you may remember, took a year or two off, stopped building cars, rethink the whole brand strategy. This is what they're coming out with, calling it Type zero one because it is the first. They're leaving one leading zero. So they don't plan on making more than ninety nine cars, ever. The next one will be the Type O two, Type O three. But when they get to Type ninety nine, we're screwed.

• 18:53Speaker 03

  I don't think it'll be a problem.

• 18:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, I agree. Uh, I completely agree. Uh, anyway, fully electric, a thousand horsepower, four door sedan, uh, four hundred some mile range. Haven't decided whether that's European or US. Uh, I haven't decided. Jaguar probably has.

• 19:08Speaker 03

  It's European if that's the more favorable one.

• 19:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And they say the starting price is a hundred and thirty grand.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:13Doug DeMuro?

  Um, what do we think?

• 19:16Speaker 02

  The styling, everyone's comparing to the Celestique and a bunch of other, like, it is really, really cool.

• 19:21Doug DeMuro?

  What do you think?

• 19:22Speaker 02

  I think it looks better as a production vehicle than it did as concept. And part of that is me normalizing the design, but making it a four door instead of a two door, it looks better. The front end looks a little bit more, like, it's still bolded in your face, but I feel like it's a little bit more normalized in a way that my brain can comprehend it. I like the rear end. I actually think it's cool for a hundred and thirty K.

• 19:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  For one thirty, I think it's cool because what is the Celestique, like, five hundred?

• 19:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, a little, little pricey.

• 19:47Speaker 03

  I bet it has a pretty boss presence in person. You know, when you see an I seven or the new seven series, it like looks, with that big grill, it looks like a boss sedan.

• 19:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  And I think this will be the same thing. The proportions are crazy.

• 19:59Doug DeMuro?

  They're cool.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  Like, the door is, what, three times the height of the window, the rest of the car?

• 20:04Doug DeMuro?

  People are going to complain about visibility.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's no rear window.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  Parallel parking.

• 20:08Speaker 03

  I guess you don't need that with a camera.

• 20:10Doug DeMuro?

  The Polestar three showed us we don't need a rear window. Or is it the Polestar four? I don't know, but I'll tell you.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Do you need any window?

• 20:14Doug DeMuro?

  They didn't, they didn't need a rear window. It was all one big camera spying for China.

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 20:19Doug DeMuro?

  This, I think, is cool as hell.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:21Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know what the current sentiment is. I haven't been on the internet. We had the baby. I haven't paid attention. I just looked up some, there's a video on Johnny Lieberman's page, shout out, by the way, of it driving on the street. Have you seen this video?

• 20:33Speaker 03

  In New York?

• 20:34Doug DeMuro?

  It looks pretty cool.

• 20:34Speaker 03

  It looks so cool.

• 20:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  It's got amazing presence, and I think 130K as the price point, like, the cars you can get for 130K now are not that cool, candidly. So my concern about it is, what's the market for a luxury sedan?

• 20:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna fail. There's no question about that. But separate from its obvious inevitable failure, it's pretty cool.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, agreed. I think you're hoping that people walk into a Range Rover dealership, and they see this and think it's pretty cool, and maybe they get one while they're in there.

• 21:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  No one's, like, looking for this necessarily.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Us JLR employees over here, that's gonna be the downside.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  If you're selling JLR in 03 over here.

• 21:11Doug DeMuro?

  One of the Land Rover dealerships back when they were still, like, wood lodges.

• 21:15Speaker 03

  Right, like Paul Miller, and I think they're still have that.

• 21:18Doug DeMuro?

  I got it from eBay.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I bet.

• 21:20Doug DeMuro?

  He went into Land Rover Glen Cove in 2003. "I wanna see the Freelander," and then when they weren't looking, he grabbed three polos and ran.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  Big charge door.

• 21:30Doug DeMuro?

  I think this is cool as hell. Lucid proved that this is not a successful venture.

• 21:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true.

• 21:35Doug DeMuro?

  Right? The Lucid is incredibly appealing also. Not as cool-looking, but incredibly appealing also. Incredible performance, incredible tech. No buyers.

• 21:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think this looks cooler. The interior.

• 21:47Doug DeMuro?

  Looks cooler.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  Really neat.

• 21:49Speaker 03

  What's with the inexplicable, like, bar down the center? Like, I have a Rivian, and what I love about it is that there's no transmission tunnel, so there's a lot of ground storage. And they took that, and they just filled it in with, uh...

• 22:02Doug DeMuro?

  A bar.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  A bar.

• 22:03Doug DeMuro?

  And that goes through the rear seats, too?

• 22:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 22:04Doug DeMuro?

  What you don't understand is that this is bohos.

• 22:08Speaker 03

  It's perfect for Park City.

• 22:10Doug DeMuro?

  Bohos styling right in Park City.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  Look, you got a condo on a high-rise on South Beach.

• 22:17Doug DeMuro?

  That's probably true. I actually think this is the one detail I don't really like.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  I kinda like it. We can wrap that. Is there a smaller wheel?

• 22:25Doug DeMuro?

  There will certainly be smaller wheels.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I see what they did there. Go to the 21.

• 22:31Doug DeMuro?

  It looks incredibly cool. I am convinced that it will not be a sales success.

• 22:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100%.

• 22:35Doug DeMuro?

  EVs are slow right now.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  Sedans are slow.

• 22:38Doug DeMuro?

  Sedans are slow right now. Lucid can't even sell their minivan, for God's sake. That's how hard it is out there.

• 22:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  Maybe it'll be the next fleet of Waymos, like the i-Pace.

• 22:47Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, God, imagine jumping in one of these as a...

• 22:49Speaker 03

  I'm down.

• 22:49Speaker 02

  It'd be sick. I will, I will, I will disregard all my ethical and safety concerns and ride in a Waymo.

• 22:55Doug DeMuro?

  You know what the problem is, though? You have to get in on the correct side, so it can't load from the street because there's a tunnel going down the center of the damn car.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  Makes no sense.

• 23:02Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  I wish, I wish them, while talking to one of the Jaguar representatives at the Quail,

• 23:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 23:08Speaker 02

  They were still very bullish on it, and like, feel that there's a true market fit there. They've done their research. I will say the, not only did the car improve a little bit from the concept, their ad campaign did too.

• 23:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 23:18Speaker 02

  Like, remember the initial ad campaign was, like, a little, whoa. Like, they now have sort of, like, traditionally handsome male models, and like, the colors, it's no longer, like, pink and purple, like, it's, it's sort of, they've classed, they've sort of toned it down a little bit from the initial launch.

• 23:34Doug DeMuro?

  When you prep for this podcast...

• 23:38Speaker 03

  You're seeing the prep right now.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  I wonder what pronouns that model uses. I wonder, like, how does he get such a good jawline? You know, like, they've...

• 23:48Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, boy.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  Oh, Nick.

• 23:50Speaker 02

  They've, they've transitioned.

• 23:52Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, why don't you, oh my God, Nick, take us to the next news story, please. Porsche Mission S. Porsche, tell us about this, Sam. I haven't looked it up.

• 24:02Speaker 03

  This is pretty much everything that you're seeing here that's been announced, but they did just tease this, I think, this morning, that the Mission S is coming. And it was, you know, the Mission X was the Halo car, or upmarket car, that they had shown, and it was EV-only when they announced it, which was probably 2019, something like that. And people didn't like that. So supposedly, the Mission S is coming with a flat eight. Gotta be a hybrid with it, I assume. But it's an, it doesn't seem like it's a 918 replacement, 'cause I think it's, like, in the 700, 800 range, and I assume with Porsche's current financial status, that they would like to sell

• 24:43Speaker 03

  as many as they can build. But it's exciting that they're coming out with something new and interesting, and something that's not a version of a 911. I mean, it'll be interesting to see what it looks like.

• 24:53Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty insane, when you think about it. We haven't had a new model from Porsche since the Taycan, which was, I mean, the concept Taycan had to have been 10 years ago.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, and never anything really above 911 since 918.

• 25:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's pretty cool. I mean, I hope it, the Mission X looked cool.

• 25:08Doug DeMuro?

  The Mission X looked cool. The Mission X was supposed to be a 918 replacement, and my understanding is it had gotten pretty far down into development before they saw Batista, and they saw, you know, Nivara, and these other cars that weren't particularly successful. They, they put a brakes on that. But I agree with you that, given Porsche's financial situation, a low-volume Halo car is probably not the thing right now.

• 25:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 25:30Doug DeMuro?

  The current theory is that Mission S is gonna compete with, like, 849 Testrosa, SF90,

• 25:37Doug DeMuro?

  Revuelto, that sort of level of car, like, $600,000 to $900,000, but no limited production.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think there's a market for it, too. I mean, people are spending big money on limited 911s on the secondary market.

• 25:48Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  That's like the new flex car. Like, this'll be a step up from that, so.

• 25:52Doug DeMuro?

  Now, a flat eight and a manual would be interesting.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they have to do a hybrid component, I think, 'cause you can't get enough power out of a flat eight.

• 26:00Doug DeMuro?

  They do hybrid manuals, though, don't they?

• 26:02Speaker 03

  Nah, the GTS T and the Turbo S have a T component, but they're not manuals. If anyone could figure it out, it would probably be them, but I just feel like there's no way.

• 26:13Speaker 02

  They've also been talking about the manual by wires, and like, that Ferrari simulated manual vibes.

• 26:18Doug DeMuro?

  I just sit here, and I think to myself, like, if anybody is gonna come up with a car at 750 that, like, is actually appealing, not just rich guy-go-fast appealing.

• 26:27Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:28Doug DeMuro?

  But like, real appealing. Like, this could be it. Like, I'm just thinking about how I want it to look, and how I want, like, this could be...

• 26:35Speaker 02

  That's the problem, though, is the expectations are so high, and if this doesn't deliver, it's gonna be a huge embarrassment for them.

• 26:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think if they just put, if they took the Mission X and put a flat eight in it, even if it's hybrid, it's 1,000 horsepower, like, that would be a cool car.

• 26:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I hope it's smoother than the Mission X. You know what I want it to look like? Do you remember the 904 Living Legend concept?

• 26:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, with the 997 turbo wheels.

• 26:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:00Doug DeMuro?

  This thing. This was like, it was like an eco sports car, and I'm sure that was stupid, and it's long ago, but the look of it.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  It does look cool. And the headlights look sort of like what the Mission X headlights looked like, so it's not...

• 27:13Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you think this would be cool? If you had this, but like, wider and longer, but with a flat plane, and not 997 turbo wheels?

• 27:20Speaker 03

  That was a weird choice. They ran out of money right at the end there.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  Turbo wheels.

• 27:24Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this side profile. What? What?

• 27:26Speaker 02

  For sure. 996 turbo twists are the best. Everything is a downgrade in there, but these, these have always been my least favorite.

• 27:32Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:33Doug DeMuro?

  I guess, thinking about it, like, what about...

• 27:35Speaker 02

  It's a high bar. It's a high bar.

• 27:36Doug DeMuro?

  It's such a special wheel.

• 27:37Speaker 02

  You know, the least, the least pretty cheerleader. Like, you're still a cheerleader.

• 27:41Doug DeMuro?

  You know what hits me, though?

• 27:42Speaker 03

  I don't know about that.

• 27:43Doug DeMuro?

  Why? What? You know what hits me, though? He doesn't know of any 911s after 997, so he doesn't know about 991 or 992 wheels.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:50Doug DeMuro?

  'Cause I think he would say that 991 or 992.

• 27:52Speaker 02

  I also, I also like lobster claws, so you can just sort of disregard.

• 27:55Speaker 03

  We disregard Nick's opinion on things.

• 27:56Doug DeMuro?

  This, this side profile is so cool.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  That is great. That is cool.

• 27:59Doug DeMuro?

  If they did that, literally that, with a flat plane V8, and a manual transmission, and no hybrid BS, I'll buy it at 600.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. You said you would never buy another Porsche. They could call your bluff on this. You know it won't be manual, though.

• 28:14Speaker 02

  If the sticker is 600, you're not buying it at 600.

• 28:16Doug DeMuro?

  I think it could be manual, because they see what happens with these manual cars. I think it will probably be hybrid, which is a bit of a deal killer for me because of the complexity and all that, and I guarantee it won't look as, like, smooth as I want.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Yeah. Somehow, it'll be too aggressive.

• 28:33Doug DeMuro?

  I'm terrified they'll really mess it up, but they could succeed so well.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  If anyone could do it, I feel like, I mean, they're putting out cool stuff, and there's a lot of new, cool Porsches, I think. You guys may not, but, uh...

• 28:46Doug DeMuro?

  Well...

• 28:47Speaker 03

  They are an enthusiast brand. I do like the electric Macan.

• 28:51Doug DeMuro?

  I do, too. I really like it a lot.

• 28:54Speaker 02

  That design, as well as that segment, does make me worry, though, that, like, it's very competitive. You've got, like, the Celine S1 is coming back. There's a lot of good cars in that segment.

• 29:04Doug DeMuro?

  Bring on the Celine S1 news story. All right.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  Great segment.

• 29:07Doug DeMuro?

  I wanna give you a little background before Nick does what...

• 29:09Speaker 02

  Doesn't that look like the 904 Living Legend?

• 29:12Speaker 03

  This also a render.

• 29:14Speaker 02

  Ferry himself came back from the dead and penned this.

• 29:16Doug DeMuro?

  All right.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  The 904 is a more real car than this.

• 29:19Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna give you a little Celine S1.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Agreed.

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• 32:18Doug DeMuro?

  First off, the news story is that Celine has announced they are finally bringing this car to market. Now, I was at Pebble Beach in 2017, I still remember. Steve Celine, I was in some parking lot, and he was there with this as a concept car, and I was there, and he was yelling at the people to clean off this or that or whatever. I don't think he was angry, but he was stressed. This was a big moment for the car, you know what I mean? Well, that was 10 years ago.

• 32:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 32:42Doug DeMuro?

  They've announced this week that it's finally coming to market. Nick here is a huge Celine enthusiast. He had the Celine Ford Explorer many years ago.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  XP8.

• 32:52Doug DeMuro?

  He still wants an S7, which was their supercar before. And so, seeing this big news story, the Celine S1 is coming at 160 grand, Nick just sold a big car, this is a chance. I said, "Nick, why don't you sign up for this?" And Nick wasn't as enthusiastic as I was thinking he would be. Nick, do you want to take us through the reason for that?

• 33:10Speaker 03

  Put your money where your money is.

• 33:11Speaker 02

  I have always said that the best supercars come from Corona, California. So, it's hard for me not to be excited here. Having visited their warehouse, which might have been an Amazon distribution center before.

• 33:26Doug DeMuro?

  Are they building it?

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Or currently. That's what the press release says. There's scant details on when production will occur and to what extent production will occur. So, it's actually a really cool car in concept, because they're not trying to make it the fastest car ever. It's lightweight, it's just the right amount of power. Like, it's a true driver car that you would take to the track or canyon drives. It's optimized for a real enthusiast and not a rich guy go fast.

• 33:50Doug DeMuro?

  It is cool that in today's world of like, Renek makes a 12 billion horsepower electric EV, and then Zinger makes a 12 billion horsepower. Like, here's a company that is coming out with a brand-new car that isn't trying to be the craziest and fastest and most absurd-looking.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Everyone's comparing it to the Lotus Amira, because it both looks and is on paper similar. The challenge is, to your point, this came out in 2017. Everyone's seen it, the design has not changed, the specs have not really changed.

• 34:18Doug DeMuro?

  To be clear, I thought it looked good in 17.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  I think it still looks good, but...

• 34:22Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, so you...

• 34:24Speaker 02

  I worry...

• 34:25Doug DeMuro?

  Moving ahead a little bit here, you don't think this is ever gonna reach the market?

• 34:29Speaker 02

  I submitted a... For $1,000 refundable, you can put down a deposit. Their own press release says that they are 80% allocated already. So, I submitted a form, and I said, "Hey..."

• 34:40Speaker 03

  80% allocated?

• 34:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, or 80% spoken for. I said, "They don't know what the production number is, so it's 80% of an unknown number." But I said, "When do you expect production to start?" And they said, "Late 2027 probably, but that is not confirmed yet." So, it does feel a little Tesla Roadster-ish, and that you're putting down $1,000, and yes, you will in theory be able to get that back. But, in theory. There's just not enough details or even a timeline to feel super confident and putting that money down.

• 35:11Doug DeMuro?

  I understand your point, but this is the company that made the Explorer XP8, and then by accident, the Explorer XP6.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 35:20Doug DeMuro?

  They also made the Celine N2O Ford Focus.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:24Doug DeMuro?

  Why would you doubt...

• 35:25Speaker 02

  They're still making Broncos and F150s and some cool stuff. The reason that I doubted is I'm in all of the Celine owners' groups.

• 35:31Doug DeMuro?

  Uh-oh.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  And they have...

• 35:32Speaker 03

  All of them.

• 35:32Speaker 02

  ...gotten pretty nasty in terms of current owners that are having troubles with Celine, getting parts orders filled, getting... Like, they will buy allocations, and then those allocations aren't shipped or shipped to other people. There just seems to be some underlying trouble with the company. They've also had an ongoing "Invest in Celine" IPO.

• 35:53Speaker 03

  Can we look at that page?

• 35:54Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the page on their website.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  And if you go to their website, there's a few tabs at the top.

• 35:59Doug DeMuro?

  Look, you got four tabs at the top.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  The biggest one, "Invest."

• 36:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you want to buy a car? Well, "Invest." Go back to...

• 36:07Speaker 03

  Listen, we're pre-IPO. This is the time to strike.

• 36:10Doug DeMuro?

  This is the time to strike. Go back to vehicles. Go back to vehicles, or whatever that first page was. That looks nice.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  That does look nice.

• 36:16Doug DeMuro?

  If that existed, I would enjoy it. I would enjoy seeing other people drive them on the street.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  You want to split a deposit with me?

• 36:23Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no.

• 36:24Speaker 03

  Nick Founder Edition, few slots available.

• 36:26Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so click on "Invest." What do we got going on?

• 36:29Speaker 02

  So, for $1.50 a share, you can own a part of an American icon.

• 36:34Speaker 03

  Man, how cool is that look?

• 36:35Doug DeMuro?

  Pre-IPO.

• 36:36Speaker 02

  It's...

• 36:36Doug DeMuro?

  Pre-IPO?

• 36:38Speaker 02

  This has been ongoing for a while. It's interesting, but it kind of... So, they had some business challenges. They tried to expand into China, it did not go well.

• 36:47Speaker 03

  Why was that E equals MC squared?

• 36:49Speaker 02

  Some of their advertising.

• 36:51Doug DeMuro?

  I watched this ad.

• 36:52Speaker 03

  What do you get for investing? Can you go to that part? There's many tiers. They're willing to take as little as $1,000.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  Keep going.

• 37:02Speaker 03

  Keep going.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  America's supercar.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, this is a great one, too.

• 37:06Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, revenue projection.

• 37:06Speaker 03

  Look at these projections.

• 37:07Doug DeMuro?

  In '27, they'll make 12 million, but in '31, they'll make $227 million.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  How could you not get involved?

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Numbers go up.

• 37:16Doug DeMuro?

  Numbers only go up. Nick, look at the vehicle sales projection, Nick. This is incredible.

• 37:24Speaker 02

  I do... I sincerely hope that Celine is successful. They were instrumental in the development of the Ford GT, the Celine S7, the S281. They had a racing team with Tim "The Toolman" Taylor himself.

• 37:36Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I joke about this whole thing.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  The history of the brand is actually really cool.

• 37:39Doug DeMuro?

  I joke about this whole thing. Celine straight up built the Ford GT.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:43Doug DeMuro?

  Day one, they were there, they built them themselves.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  I saw those in the Facebook conspiracy theories in the owners' groups, and I sent it to you, and we were all like, "That's the silliest thing I ever heard." And the more you research it, the more you're like, "No, there seems to be actual validity."

• 37:55Doug DeMuro?

  I have the build book from Celine. They built the car. Uh, are there... Wait, wait, go down, go down. Are there investor perks?

• 38:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, and why invest? How do you get your money? Will you make money?

• 38:05Doug DeMuro?

  There are perks. $1,000, they send you a hat.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  Yep, pretty good. Good deal. Nicky Lube has the same offer.

• 38:12Doug DeMuro?

  $5,000, a hat, and you get to go to a live event with Steve Celine.

• 38:17Speaker 02

  A live virtual event.

• 38:18Doug DeMuro?

  I'm so sorry. For $50,000...

• 38:21Speaker 02

  You get a Zoom link.

• 38:23Doug DeMuro?

  For $50,000, you get five points off the purchase of a car, so that's worth eight grand.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  Well, keep reading.

• 38:28Doug DeMuro?

  A private one-on-one with Steve at a track event.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  That's 25 grand.

• 38:32Doug DeMuro?

  And an invitation to a private dinner with Steve Celine. Unfortunately, the dinner will not take place.

• 38:37Speaker 03

  You pick up the tab.

• 38:40Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I can't believe you're not participating in this.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  When will I make money? What is the exit strategy?

• 38:45Speaker 03

  Right, you can't.

• 38:46Speaker 02

  Shares cannot be easily traded or sold, so investing is risky, please do your due diligence.

• 38:52Doug DeMuro?

  They're speaking to you, Nick.

• 38:53Speaker 02

  I want to see them succeed. Funny enough, in the Reddit sub-threads on this, everyone then started talking about Hennessy and the parallels there, and throwing some shade at Hennessy. I think the reality is it's incredibly difficult to be an American manufacturer of anything, get alone a boutique, supercar, low-volume...

• 39:09Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, we're getting political here. Hennessy, yeah, and also Vector. Remember Jerry Weiger, your personal hero?

• 39:16Speaker 02

  There's not a lot of great success stories.

• 39:17Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I remember Elon Musk did... He makes cars and succeeded in America. You remember that?

• 39:22Speaker 03

  Henry Ford?

• 39:23Doug DeMuro?

  Henry Ford, yeah.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  I bet he had projections like this, and everyone said he was crazy.

• 39:28Doug DeMuro?

  Jonathan Packard? Bill Spanos Suisse? Anyway, the point is, the Celine S1 is obviously coming to market. They will sell $700 million worth of cars in the next five years, or whatever that was. I trust them, I have no reason not to trust them.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  I would legitimately put a deposit down if I could have an assurance that they have a clear path to production, because I think it's an absolutely cool car at a reasonable price with great specs. Like, I'm into it. I merely need to see more proof that the vehicle will be produced.

• 40:01Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't it unusual that we have the Porsche story, and we just assume they're gonna follow through? And then we have the Celine story. These folks made the S7, and we sit here doubting them.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  The S7's so cool. I got the sedan one last time I was in Phoenix, and like, "Oh, really?" The things I would do for... I had to take my flip-flops off, so apparently, you know, everyone's like, "Oh, the cockpit's real cramped." The seat doesn't move, the pedals do. So, you can then move the pedals out to get more footrest.

• 40:30Speaker 03

  That's how Manny Gushman does it.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  But you also have to adjust the throttle. So, the owner was like, "I moved the pedals back, I can now drive the car." However, the neutral was now at 4,000 RPM, so that I had to have a shop go and adjust the throttle cable, basically. It's a little like homebrew.

• 40:45Doug DeMuro?

  Did you enjoy the door opener button?

• 40:47Speaker 02

  There were some interior components that were not the highest quality.

• 40:51Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember this?

• 40:52Speaker 02

  No, I didn't hold the key.

• 40:53Doug DeMuro?

  The key fob has four buttons, if I recall correctly. Button 1, which is marked with Roman numeral 1, opens one door. Button 2 opens another door. Button 3 opens both doors.

• 41:03Speaker 03

  That's kinda cool.

• 41:05Doug DeMuro?

  You belong in an S7.

• 41:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, he does. Can you believe he's priced out of an S7?

• 41:09Doug DeMuro?

  I know. How could that be?

• 41:10Speaker 03

  So priced out. That's too bad.

• 41:11Doug DeMuro?

  It is crazy that they sell for what they sell for, but this is your chance to get its baby sister.

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Same bad.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  I truly don't have the patience to wait a weekend for a car, get alone a year.

• 41:22Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I think you should. I think you should get in early because you see those charts.

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:27Doug DeMuro?

  All right, move on to our. Invest.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  If they sweeten the pot with a private Zoom link with Steve Salina.

• 41:33Doug DeMuro?

  For a thousand. What would you throw in for the thousand for a Zoom with Steve Salina? What would you throw in?

• 41:38Speaker 02

  I want the, there's a 90s like owner's jacket for the Tim Allen Racing Team, which retail for like 500 bucks on eBay. They throw one of those in, I'm good.

• 41:48Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 41:49Speaker 02

  Wow. Some cool swag.

• 41:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. All right, move on to our next news story, please. Montana?

• 41:53Speaker 02

  Oh, Nick.

• 41:54Doug DeMuro?

  Nick?

• 41:55Speaker 02

  What? I live in California. All of my cars are currently Californian titled.

• 42:01Doug DeMuro?

  Same.

• 42:02Speaker 02

  And I know nothing about this.

• 42:03Doug DeMuro?

  There is a.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Would never.

• 42:04Speaker 02

  What loophole?

• 42:05Doug DeMuro?

  There is a thing that just came out. God.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Isn't this so annoying?

• 42:09Doug DeMuro?

  It's so annoying. Everybody sends it to me.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 42:12Doug DeMuro?

  Cause we're like car enthusiasts here. They're like, the loophole's closed. A less effective piece of legislation I cannot dream of. This is a California legislature. If the Senate is the greatest deliberative body in the world, the California legislature is the most mediocre.

• 42:30Speaker 02

  This is the thoughts and prayers of the Montana loophole.

• 42:33Doug DeMuro?

  So they closed the Montana loophole. Here's what they've done. It no longer can, if an out of state LLC is owned by a Californian, then it cannot own and operate cars in California. There's a bunch of problems with this. Number one, this rule does not increase the ability to find these people.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:55Doug DeMuro?

  It just increases the potential for them getting convicted when they are found. Number one. Number two, you could just put the LLC in another LLC and you've solved the problem right there. You could take, cause it says the owner of the LLC cannot own the car and the owner cannot be a California resident. So have the LLC be owned by now. I'm not advocating for breaking the law. I think the Montana thing is embarrassing and stupid anyway. I don't think anybody should do it, but this is such a, you know, Utah introduced this thing and passed it where if the car holds insurance in Utah, it must be registered in Utah. And that.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  That makes sense.

• 43:29Doug DeMuro?

  How you close the loophole.

• 43:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 43:30Doug DeMuro?

  And they did that to combat Montana.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  This is a scare tactic.

• 43:33Doug DeMuro?

  It's a scare tactic. I think the whole thing is PR.

• 43:35Speaker 03

  How many, and they said the annual losses are 20 million, which I think is so low.

• 43:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  You see every new Bugatti in LA is registered there.

• 43:43Doug DeMuro?

  I looked, Montana's Secretary of State openly admits that he thinks there are 600,000 cars that are registered in Montana, but not operated there. I think it's more like a million, but he says 600,000. Let's take that number.

• 43:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 43:53Doug DeMuro?

  California has 10% of the country's population. So right there, you're looking at 60,000 cars. In the mediocre California legislators, pat on the back that he got this passed. He said, there are 2,500 cars right now that have Montana plates. Should.

• 44:08Speaker 03

  At any Cars and Coffee on any Saturday.

• 44:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's that many in Modesto.

• 44:15Doug DeMuro?

  So stupid. These people are completely clueless. So anyway.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  My theory on this is they do this every year. There is one news headline that makes, it's a PR stunt.

• 44:26Doug DeMuro?

  They're trying to scare people.

• 44:27Speaker 02

  You can't possibly go find 60,000 or 600,000 people, but you can scare and detract other people from trying this. And I do, you and I both get these texts from all of our friends that cut corners or otherwise saying, oh, should I change? I'm really worried. And a lot of them probably do.

• 44:42Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of them do, or just don't do it the next time anyway. I think it works. It's a lot easier to pass legislation with a legislator that does nothing anyway than it is to actually go out and enforce, which is difficult.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:52Doug DeMuro?

  And proving cases is tremendously expensive and very difficult. And you're proving cases against individuals. So what's the most you're going to recoup from a single person? A couple hundred grand? It's not worth it. But if you, if you publish this, though, we closed the loophole. If you can scare even 10% of people into complying, then you've succeeded.

• 45:11Speaker 02

  You know how Leno's law sort of helped people get their cars compliant and legal from an emissions standpoint? But it cuts off a little early for most of us. But remember our good friend Whistlin Diesel, Cody? Got clamped down pretty hard by Tennessee for Montana plates on his Ferrari that burned down.

• 45:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  So I am hoping that there's Cody's law or Whistlin Diesel's law that helps us supercar owners that are doing the Montana thing for smog.

• 45:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Have a way to buy smog credits or smog offsets.

• 45:39Doug DeMuro?

  Actually upsets me. And that's what it used to be, by the way. You used to be able to buy smog credits.

• 45:42Speaker 02

  Which I would do.

• 45:43Doug DeMuro?

  It actually upsets me that the rich guys with the SF90s who can't be bothered to pay 30 grand in sales tax on a $600,000 car ruined it for the guy who wants to import a $9,000 car. And I think that this should be the class warfare in our country.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  I do think most police officers will look and say like, okay, you have a hoop-dee that's registered in South Dakota. I'm going to let you pass. And then I see that you have an SF90. Like you and I have a mutual friend who's a police officer and into cars. And like, you know, he's only going to give people a hard time if it's like blatantly.

• 46:13Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, but the cops also know that the guys with these cars are going to fight these tickets and drag it out. Most of the police officers I know, the CHP officers I know will not write this ticket because it's just not worth their own time. They gotta show up in court and defend it and all that. It's not worth their own time dealing with it.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  And the more expensive the car, the less likely they are to issue it. It seems like if you're driving an M6 on Montana's, that's probably an easy grab.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Oh dude, an M6 on Montana's is the biggest automotive red flag in existence.

• 46:39Doug DeMuro?

  It's really at South Dakota's now.

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's true.

• 46:41Doug DeMuro?

  I was driving yesterday in my super, the greatest car ever made. And I got up behind a A3 2.02, the hatchback one, like 2008.

• 46:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:49Doug DeMuro?

  With the South Dakota's. And I was like, I wonder why. Like, I wonder what it is.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  He's got a test pipe.

• 46:53Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, but like it's a two liter turbo. He's doing something, obviously.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  The turbos wake up really well to catalytes.

• 46:59Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 47:00Speaker 02

  He's got a test pipe. And it's like 300 bucks on eBay to get this like Alibaba level test pipe.

• 47:06Doug DeMuro?

  He's got a $300 test pipe at a $49 South Dakota LLC and he is living.

• 47:10Speaker 02

  I mean, at some point you fail smog and you're like, it's easier to just register this in Montana than it is to try to fix the car.

• 47:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 47:16Speaker 02

  And it doesn't, most of the time you fail smog for things that don't actually disrupt the driving experience. Like it is like a check engine light for something that's like a non-issue. But if you have a check engine light, it's an automatic fail and it's just not worth spending thousands of dollars to fix.

• 47:29Doug DeMuro?

  California deserves a huge credit and pat on the back for cleaning up the air to the level that they did from where it was.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. So we can pollute it with data centers.

• 47:38Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 47:39Speaker 02

  Am I right? Am I right?

• 47:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  We gotta let the AI bots breathe.

• 47:42Doug DeMuro?

  The drawback is the edge cases that now exist, they're still trying to legislate out. And it's just like, the sales tax thing, I don't mind. They obviously should go after the sales tax cheaters. All the other states have. Nick and I would never.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Yep. You know what they're also clamping down on? Branches, NFA Cars and Coffee, there was a squad of cop cars out there clamping on people parking in red zones.

• 48:04Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 48:05Speaker 02

  There was like 15 tenths last weekend.

• 48:06Speaker 03

  Someone I know always does that.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  I do.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  And I'm saying they don't enforce it.

• 48:10Doug DeMuro?

  He parked in a red zone like three weeks ago and he goes, I say, Nick, you sure you want to park there? He goes, I come here a lot.

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's a spot like four away and he takes that. First they came for our smog exemption, then they came for our red zones. What's next?

• 48:22Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, I think that it's all a PR stunt. Next, and I think that that's like objectively true.

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• 49:31Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, Sam, tell us about that.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  So this is a new thing that Tesla has. Has put in their vehicles or chargers or however they did it. But now you can, it used to not allow you to shift into drive if you were still plugged in to the supercharger.

• 49:45Doug DeMuro?

  Which seems reasonable.

• 49:46Speaker 03

  Seems reasonable because you have people like Nick who will do that and they're out of there.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Only happened once.

• 49:51Doug DeMuro?

  And the only thing I can guarantee you more, with more certainty than that happening is he will blame someone else.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 49:58Doug DeMuro?

  Why did they let me shift into drive?

• 49:59Speaker 03

  Right, exactly.

• 50:00Doug DeMuro?

  Who put the plug in the car?

• 50:02Speaker 02

  Tesla drivers are the least detail oriented humans on planet. So if I'm doing this.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  What do you mean? Ryan Lopez is.

• 50:08Doug DeMuro?

  Ryan Lopez is over here right now.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  The average Model Y person has ran over someone without realizing. They accidentally committed hit and run. Still don't know about it.

• 50:16Doug DeMuro?

  Oh boy, anyway.

• 50:17Speaker 03

  Anyway, so now you can just go. You can feel free to take off, plugged in.

• 50:23Doug DeMuro?

  There was a shooting that was at or near a Tesla charging thing and the people there couldn't flee. And so they've changed this, but if you do it.

• 50:31Speaker 03

  If you do it, you have to have the car serviced and the charge port replaced and the supercharger brakes and you're responsible for the cost of that. So it's, you really gotta need it.

• 50:41Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta repair the supercharger and you have to fix the car.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  So that's like a six, six figure recruitment.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Right. Maybe you save your life or maybe you did it by accident and now you're bankrupt.

• 50:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, like the, the one shooting every decade at a Tesla charger. Is gonna be outshone by these 10,000 people a year who do it by accident.

• 51:04Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 51:05Doug DeMuro?

  And then need to pay for a new supercharger.

• 51:07Speaker 03

  Yeah. So Nick, don't get a Tesla.

• 51:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, you, you have to do the calculus of, do I want to get shot and hope my health insurance covers it? Or do I want to drive away and hope I can afford the repair bill?

• 51:17Speaker 03

  Gotta pay Uncle Elon.

• 51:18Doug DeMuro?

  You've been, you've been surprisingly liberal on today's pod.

• 51:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is surprising, given his views.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  The Jaguar comments, I mean, I have the, folks from the early advertisements are probably, you know, coming up to the Tesla owners causing trouble. Could go either way.

• 51:32Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 51:32Speaker 02

  Like the woke police, you know?

• 51:34Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  Okay. So that's Tesla.

• 51:36Doug DeMuro?

  So that's Tesla. Nick, um, Nick, what would it take to get you in a Tesla?

• 51:40Speaker 03

  A good deal.

• 51:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 51:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:43Doug DeMuro?

  You think so?

• 51:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:44Doug DeMuro?

  He had the chance to get a good deal and he got his Sorento plug-in hybrid.

• 51:48Speaker 03

  That's true. That was a choice.

• 51:49Doug DeMuro?

  Instead he drove to Mesa, Arizona.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Inexplicably purchased in Arizona.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  I, I don't know what would get me into a Tesla.

• 51:58Doug DeMuro?

  Ninety-nine a month?

• 52:00Speaker 02

  I don't need another car. You know what I mean? Like what would I do with that? What would you do with that? Would you?

• 52:05Doug DeMuro?

  If it was a Model Y, you'd apparently run over people.

• 52:08Speaker 03

  You know, I think full self-driving is pretty cool. And I do find myself wishing that like a car existed that was subtle on the outside and had like a Rolls Royce interior with full self-driving. That would be something I'd go for.

• 52:20Speaker 02

  The Jaguar Type 00?

• 52:22Speaker 03

  Maybe. I'm sure their full self-driving is fantastic technology.

• 52:25Doug DeMuro?

  The Teslas are certainly not like a Rolls Royce on the inside.

• 52:28Speaker 03

  Certainly not.

• 52:29Doug DeMuro?

  It's quite the opposite. I mean, I think that they were like the best interiors, maybe because it was just so cool and minimalist. And over time, I get in one now and I'm like, this is rough.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. You get in Ubers, which are always Model 3s now, and they are, you hear the suspension creaking and it is rough.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Didn't you say at one point you were only taking Uber black or premium to avoid getting stuck in Teslas?

• 52:52Speaker 03

  It was because of Teslas. It was because of when there were less requirements and you'd get in some clapped, unsafe vehicle. I didn't want my, to die.

• 53:01Doug DeMuro?

  I remember one time I got into an extra cab Silverado. It wasn't even a four door.

• 53:05Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 53:05Doug DeMuro?

  It was a, it was just a slightly, I think it was a hinge, but it was like a slightly long. I was the only one who let me ride up front, but he was doing Uber in that.

• 53:15Speaker 03

  You gotta do what you gotta do. Those are big payments.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  I would pay extra if I could select the vehicle.

• 53:19Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 53:20Speaker 02

  Wouldn't that be cool?

• 53:20Speaker 03

  Well, get an Uber black.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  A pickup truck option, like I'd pay 10 bucks more.

• 53:24Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 53:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:24Doug DeMuro?

  What would you pay? Like of all the Ubers you've been in, like normal rational Ubers, what would you pay the most? Like what would be the Uber that you would most want to be riding in?

• 53:32Speaker 02

  That hurts. It's an XC90.

• 53:34Speaker 03

  What?

• 53:35Speaker 02

  We had an XC90 in Seattle. We loved it. That was like the universe telling us to pay up and get an XC90 and we ignored the sign. But yeah, it was, it was a lovely drive.

• 53:45Doug DeMuro?

  When did you go to Seattle?

• 53:46Speaker 03

  I was thinking the same thing.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  Before Alaska Cruise, it was from the airport all the way to downtown or wherever we stayed.

• 53:52Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  It was lovely.

• 53:53Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Lovely.

• 53:55Speaker 03

  All right. Well, Nick would pay up for an XC90. We learned that today.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  Or Funkmaster Flex Expedition. I would definitely do Uber XL for that.

• 54:02Speaker 03

  Those are a little clapped for me.

• 54:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's a little too old.

• 54:04Speaker 03

  All of them.

• 54:04Doug DeMuro?

  It's a little too old. You know, I had, I've had two horrible recent Uber X experiences or Uber. I, I always do priority, whatever's quickest. And the last couple of times it was randos in like their cars and they were so bad. I decided I'm only ever doing Uber Black from now on, which I understand is a privileged thing to say and I'm cool with that.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  It's also a safety concern.

• 54:22Doug DeMuro?

  So sketch.

• 54:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:23Doug DeMuro?

  Like the, the, the second guy, we're coming up on the exit and I, and eventually we're like passing it. The lane's dotted. He's three lanes over. I'm like, it's this one. He's like, I know. I'm like, oh, this one. He's like, I know, I know. It's this one. And we're still passing people and he gets, the lane is now solid and he veers off and he goes, I, I live right around here. I know.

• 54:46Speaker 03

  I trust that guy.

• 54:46Speaker 02

  I have the opposite experience. I always get the cautious drivers who are going like the speed limit and you're like, come on.

• 54:51Doug DeMuro?

  Why do they, I gotta be someone. Why do they late brake so much? The stop sign jumps out at them every time. Slam on the brake.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Still take that over a way, Mo.

• 55:02Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 55:02Speaker 03

  Really?

• 55:02Doug DeMuro?

  Because people I know are having good experiences with waiting.

• 55:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:05Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. It's time to move on to the Talk Car segment, which is brought to you of course by Filippo. Filippo, he's a middle manager at a large multinational now.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Willow Springs Raceway.

• 55:14Doug DeMuro?

  Where he always belonged. Oh yeah, Willow Springs.

• 55:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, Willow Springs. Come see the Ford GT amongst other great vehicles.

• 55:21Doug DeMuro?

  What is your favorite of the Willow Springs? Pull up the Willow Springs.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, can we look at those? The Ford GT.

• 55:25Doug DeMuro?

  Oh man, 174 million dollars.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  And we could be pre-IPO and we're just watching it go.

• 55:30Speaker 02

  I don't know. That Clio V6 is hard to.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, Clio V6 is so cool.

• 55:34Speaker 02

  When do you ever see those?

• 55:36Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of people would say the Clio is probably their favorite.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  Would they?

• 55:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  The SLR McLaren, pretty cool. It's got the red interior, which I'm super jealous of. So my SLR, to sort of transition into Talk Cars while talking about this. My SLR just sold on the site. I'm really happy with the results. And then there's your second chance. So the under bidder DM'd me immediately after and was like, oh, it didn't load. I was gonna keep bidding. And you know, like they always say that. Who knows if it's true, but to that guy, I will DM you, but bid on this one. It is also really, really nice. This one is a coupe with the red interior sold by McKenna Collection. So.

• 56:09Speaker 03

  That's the right spec. I mean, I loved your roadster, but silver over red coupe is the spec.

• 56:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. But they're, they're a special car. I'm thrilled that it, I wouldn't say they're getting recognized, but like it's still sort of a value play in the supercar market. I'm happy with the result. Hoovie hooked it up and helped blast it out to his followers too. So it's off to a new home.

• 56:29Doug DeMuro?

  We'll cover, we'll cover the SLR whole situation in a second. You know, this 911T belongs to our CEO, the Cars and Bids Chief Executive.

• 56:37Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 56:38Doug DeMuro?

  He's a, it's, he's a suit.

• 56:39Speaker 02

  He's gonna be on the pod.

• 56:40Doug DeMuro?

  He's gonna be on the pod next week. You can talk to him about this. This is our CEO. He's selling the car on the Cars and Bids.

• 56:47Speaker 03

  It's a good looking car.

• 56:48Doug DeMuro?

  At the Willow Springs. I bet you think it's a good looking.

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Should we leave him a comment?

• 56:51Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 56:53Speaker 03

  Ha ha.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  Hey Dan.

• 56:59Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway.

• 57:00Speaker 03

  Great comment, Nick. I got a little stage fright.

• 57:03Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. The Talk Car segment. I want to talk, uh, let's start by talking about Nick's thing. So Nick.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 57:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna tell you all a little something. I'm gonna let you in a little secret about Nick's life. Nick is insane. We don't call him crazy Nick for nothing. If, if they knew, they'd call him insane Nick. But, uh, so he sold his SLR for 300 some thousand dollars. And I mention this because Nick is flush with cash. Last week you heard him say that he has no money. He's back.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  The credit cards are paid.

• 57:30Doug DeMuro?

  In the past, when this has happened.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  Oh man, Nick with money is a terrifying thing, but also very entertaining. He panic buys, he panic sells.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  It is, it is a dangerous place to be and let's just say.

• 57:45Doug DeMuro?

  Let me ask you a question before you, before we say anything. How many low balls have you submitted?

• 57:49Speaker 02

  That, that is where I'm going with this.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  The car ended Thursday.

• 57:53Speaker 02

  There were offers, I was submitting offers before the car sold. And I wasn't even sure that the car was gonna hit reserve because leading up a day before, we were shy of that by quite a bit. But I was, I was making offers and I've been sort of like DMing a lot of people being like, hey, if you hear anything, we'll up market and screenshotting a list of about 15 cars. So.

• 58:12Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Uh, there's been a few low balls. I'm, I am gonna go, I've driven a Gallardo. I drove a 430. I'm gonna drive a 599 this weekend. Uh, I'm still really into a Superleggera, but also another market report car. It's, it seems like it's moving out of reach as quickly as I can pursue it. There are a lot of cars that I'm super into. The Celine S7 is still my dream car.

• 58:35Doug DeMuro?

  So if somebody has a rough S7.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  It has to be so rough, much like your Ford GT.

• 58:40Doug DeMuro?

  What's your number?

• 58:41Speaker 02

  I would love to get a Ford GT. I can't.

• 58:43Speaker 03

  You can't afford it.

• 58:43Doug DeMuro?

  What's your number on a Celine S7? What would you spend? Think about it. This isn't, this isn't just, just Johnny come lately offering you an Acura. This is Doug's.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  I almost don't want to, so I deeply offended Jasper Spiker enthusiast who's now like involved with the rebirth. Cause I told him I was looking for one and I gave him my budget and he laughed at me and he said, ha, if you ever find one for that budget, let me know. So like, I don't, I don't want to offend people. Like I have a budget and I want this car and sometimes they're not congruent.

• 59:12Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the S, the SLR sold for 330.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. The starting digit needs to be a three.

• 59:17Doug DeMuro?

  A three for an S7? If you ever find one for that number, let me know.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  I agree, but I'm willing to take one that needs like bodywork. Maybe it's just a shell. Like I'll throw a coyote in it.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  That wouldn't do much for us.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  Like I'm, I'm good, you know?

• 59:31Speaker 03

  So S7 is not real.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  Ryan Lopez and I will go to Autozone and refix this for our next series. Like I, I, it does not need to be a full car. It doesn't need to be a pretty car. It could need some paint.

• 59:41Doug DeMuro?

  So Superleggera 599.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Those are the top two right now. Let's be honest, that's end of list.

• 59:46Doug DeMuro?

  Have you considered a Z8?

• 59:48Speaker 02

  No.

• 59:49Doug DeMuro?

  What about a Z8?

• 59:50Speaker 03

  Too classy for Nick.

• 59:51Speaker 02

  It's, uh, the, the SLR I loved in that it was like the perfect grand tour, but I want something more raw, more analog, more aggressive, more like.

• 59:59Doug DeMuro?

  You know.

• 59:59Speaker 02

  In your face. And I think the Z8 is so restrained in all, in all the right ways, but not what I'm looking for.

• 1:00:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's interesting though, because I mentioned the S1 to you yesterday.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Doug DeMuro?

  And you said, I would never, that company's not gonna make that car. And then you come, you show up today. You're like, yeah, send them an email. They say if I throw in a deposit, I can get it into next year.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  I'm very persuadable here. Anyway, if you, if someone hits me up with the right offer, like they, they might get a yes. Because at the same point, I gotta, I gotta, I got some ammunition.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  That's right. We gotta deploy it.

• 1:00:28Doug DeMuro?

  Was designed by one of the auto industry's great sketchy people.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Doug DeMuro?

  You don't want to participate in that?

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  That's, it's a Kenan car. I'll let him have it.

• 1:00:36Doug DeMuro?

  It's a Kenan car. It could be a Nick car.

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 1:00:39Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Does it think Steve Celine or Heinrich Fisker is less sketchy?

• 1:00:44Doug DeMuro?

  I think Steve's laying.

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Isn't, isn't Fisker like actively under?

• 1:00:47Speaker 02

  Steve's made it a long time.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  He has.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  Henrik made it a minute.

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  He's got staying power at least.

• 1:00:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, Fisker's been sued for fraud, et cetera. Although the S E C closed its, uh, its probe.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  Wow, wasn't his wife the CFO?

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  As all good companies.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  No conflict of interest there.

• 1:01:04Doug DeMuro?

  And they bought that, um, they, they, he bought that house, remember?

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  That's, that's what you do with your remaining working capital when.

• 1:01:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:01:12Doug DeMuro?

  His wife was the CFO.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, um.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  So five nine nine or Superleggera?

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  Those are the top two, but yeah, there's, I'm also into T V Rs, Morgan Arrow, it's like weird British stuff.

• 1:01:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that's not happening.

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  I frankly would like to not, my last Mercy and the S L R were both like me spending every penny I could possibly find, putting it all into one basket and then being stressed about it all the time. I want to find a car that I can drive without stress, anxiety, worrying about mileage, worrying about, you know, oh, rock chip, worrying about, you know, like, I just want to like, have a pure driving experience where I'm, I'm, it's still a special car, like I don't want a non-special car, but I don't necessarily want a experience, almost like your four G T where it's like, oh, it's so valuable now, I have to think twice about, is this the right use case for the car and do I want to risk some looky-loo like rear ending me or, or door ding me at, at the hospital while I'm.

• 1:02:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:07Speaker 02

  Waiting birth.

• 1:02:08Doug DeMuro?

  Right, right. You ever heard of an X G three hundred?

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:02:11Doug DeMuro?

  Pull, pull it up. This might be up your alley. Some car you don't have to worry about.

• 1:02:16Speaker 02

  Three hundred.

• 1:02:17Doug DeMuro?

  What is it?

• 1:02:17Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:02:19Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, X G, you put type.

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  There it is.

• 1:02:22Doug DeMuro?

  X.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  Nick loves it.

• 1:02:23Doug DeMuro?

  Why is, what is this?

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  The Hyundai?

• 1:02:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 1:02:27Doug DeMuro?

  Pull that up, Nick.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  You would not have to worry about that.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  Looks like a car Filippo would drive.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  It does.

• 1:02:33Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, this was a top of the line.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  It also looks like it's from G T A six, like it's like an N P C car.

• 1:02:38Doug DeMuro?

  This was, excuse me, this was the top of the line Hyundai at the time.

• 1:02:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Doug DeMuro?

  And it's a car you wouldn't have to worry about and you could get the best breed.

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  Right, none for sale nearby, though.

• 1:02:48Doug DeMuro?

  Go, go, go back to the images, Google, I want to, I want to, I don't want you to get a three fifty, I think you might have to worry about that, that was later.

• 1:02:54Speaker 03

  Why, going for thirteen hundred bucks?

• 1:02:56Speaker 02

  There's a lot of middle ground between.

• 1:02:57Doug DeMuro?

  Go to images there.

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Doug DeMuro?

  There's a lot of middle ground. Look, look at this, click on that and you tell me that is not.

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Decent looking.

• 1:03:04Doug DeMuro?

  That is not a classy automobile.

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• 1:03:37Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  You know, who, who have you just bought a Rolls and the owner rebadged it as a Chrysler three hundred in the rear? Just to troll people?

• 1:03:45Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta do it in Wichita. Uh, speaking of Hoovie, should we do our, our weekly trip to his car lot?

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  Oh, I'm honored to be part of this.

• 1:03:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  T and A Venture.

• 1:03:53Doug DeMuro?

  Sam, I want to know what you, what.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  T and A Venture.

• 1:03:55Doug DeMuro?

  What if the Hoovie cars would you, would you be buying?

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's see, I'm, I'm going to be in the market soon.

• 1:03:59Speaker 02

  Should we submit a loan application?

• 1:04:01Doug DeMuro?

  Go, go to the cars, okay.

• 1:04:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, what are his rates like?

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  Still got that kind.

• 1:04:04Speaker 03

  Wow, look at that. No hubcaps, F one fifty.

• 1:04:06Doug DeMuro?

  This is all the same stuff, he hasn't transacted anything in a week? Oh my God.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  It's even worse. S C four thirty.

• 1:04:14Doug DeMuro?

  So, but you haven't, you don't want to spend all the money and you haven't spent, you haven't bought anything yet.

• 1:04:19Speaker 03

  Incredibly.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  What do you mean?

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Well, some offers have been made.

• 1:04:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, but.

• 1:04:25Doug DeMuro?

  Have any been accepted?

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  So low, insultingly low offers.

• 1:04:29Doug DeMuro?

  Something here?

• 1:04:29Speaker 02

  I, I'm, I'm, I don't like the jinx thing, so it's, it's not a done deal.

• 1:04:34Doug DeMuro?

  What's happened? Why don't you come on, hit us up?

• 1:04:36Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:04:37Doug DeMuro?

  This is big news.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  There's an off-market car.

• 1:04:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, he bought a Gallardo Superleggera. What's the status? How many accidents?

• 1:04:43Speaker 02

  Zero.

• 1:04:43Doug DeMuro?

  What color?

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  Yellow.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Three minor.

• 1:04:46Doug DeMuro?

  How many, how many, yeah, how many miles? How much fire damage? Don't, don't, I said accidents, how much fire damage?

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  The rear veil ends has a little soot from it shooting flames.

• 1:04:57Speaker 03

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:58Doug DeMuro?

  The car was on fire at one point.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  No, they just, it's got downpipes and so I think there's just like a little fireballs will come out.

• 1:05:03Doug DeMuro?

  How many years was it registered in Florida? On the Carfax?

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  I don't think.

• 1:05:07Doug DeMuro?

  You have in Carfax?

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  There's no way.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  I have Carfax.

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  Hundred percent this car was in Florida.

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  Regardless, we, we, I, through a friend of a friend, got connected to him, sent him an initial offer, he said, I'm not selling it. Uh, then we went back and forth a little bit and pretty sure we have an agreement, I'm not.

• 1:05:23Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 1:05:25Doug DeMuro?

  We're buying a Gallardo Superleggera, you heard it here first, people.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Until the shipper picks it up Friday morning, we don't know for sure.

• 1:05:32Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, you already paid him?

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:35Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  You heard it here first.

• 1:05:40Speaker 03

  He couldn't keep it under.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  Anything could happen.

• 1:05:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true. Is the vehicle registered where it's located?

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, so.

• 1:05:48Doug DeMuro?

  Is it registered to a previous owner who just signed the back of the title and said, good luck?

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  Do you, does it matter?

• 1:05:53Doug DeMuro?

  No, it doesn't matter.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  It doesn't affect the driving experience.

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  Nick's had a few title jump cars.

• 1:05:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, and he's done it himself, I'm sure.

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Doug DeMuro?

  Um.

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  As we all have.

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:06:02Doug DeMuro?

  Are you thinking about manually swapping it, manual swapping it?

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  I think there's a high possibility.

• 1:06:05Doug DeMuro?

  Are you worried that you are going to money shift it like you did with your T T R S, which you blew the engine on?

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:06:10Doug DeMuro?

  Do you, um, is it going straight from the buyer, the seller to the manual swap place?

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:06:16Doug DeMuro?

  It's coming here.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  It's going to come here first, I want to experience it as an E gear, if, if it goes through, which we don't know.

• 1:06:22Doug DeMuro?

  Bad wheels?

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  No, it has the O E.

• 1:06:24Doug DeMuro?

  Does it have a bad body kit?

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:06:26Speaker 03

  Does it have tinted taillights?

• 1:06:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:06:28Speaker 02

  Nevada.

• 1:06:29Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:06:29Doug DeMuro?

  It's in Nevada.

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:31Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  It's pretty sick.

• 1:06:33Speaker 03

  It does have tinted taillights.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  Forty-two thousand.

• 1:06:35Doug DeMuro?

  It was a rental car.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  It was not a rental car. So, yeah, it's owned by the same guy for seven years, I'm sure he paid half of what I paid him for it.

• 1:06:42Doug DeMuro?

  When he bought it from the rental car.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Um, I, I've also contacted a few dealers, like the market moved because of you guys, it's your fault, or Filippo's, let's blame Filippo, he's not like a hero.

• 1:06:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Um.

• 1:06:51Doug DeMuro?

  Blame Dan Harmon, he'll be on next week.

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  It, it, uh, recently transacted one with just under twenty thousand miles, sold by U Drive on the site, for two ninety-six is what it sold for. And like that result, I contacted him before that result and gave a number and let's just say we had to revise the offer after that result, so thank you. I appreciate it.

• 1:07:11Doug DeMuro?

  How much?

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Really hoping for an R and M, thankfully it was only five grand more, which I feel like that was fine.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  Reason.

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  I was willing to come up five.

• 1:07:18Doug DeMuro?

  So you bought a, so you were going to come on here and be like, I'm not sure what I'm thinking about a five nine nine.

• 1:07:23Speaker 03

  Not sitting on a.

• 1:07:24Doug DeMuro?

  I'm very convincible, you heard him say that.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Doug DeMuro?

  He's so convincible, he's already bought a car.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  He said he's driving a five nine nine this week, just wasting someone's time.

• 1:07:32Speaker 02

  I am. Hey, if I really like.

• 1:07:35Doug DeMuro?

  That's why he didn't want to say, the guy watches probably.

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  If I really like the car. Then, then we can figure out a, a way forward, you know?

• 1:07:42Doug DeMuro?

  You would buy a five nine nine in addition?

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  They didn't sell one.

• 1:07:46Doug DeMuro?

  Of the two?

• 1:07:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:47Speaker 03

  Got it, sure, sure.

• 1:07:49Doug DeMuro?

  Um, wow, Gallardo Superleggera, right here on the pod.

• 1:07:51Speaker 03

  I'm here for that.

• 1:07:52Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's next, Nick went from a Mercy to a Gallardo.

• 1:07:54Speaker 03

  Good color this time.

• 1:07:54Speaker 02

  The, the Gallardo driving it, having owned a Mercy, it worried me at first, I'm like, oh, it's a step down from Mercy and I'm basically paying the same as I paid for a Mercy when I first got it.

• 1:08:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  So that's a big mental barrier to get past.

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:08:06Speaker 02

  However, I drove two Gallardos in the last month and like they're so small and nimble and like it's a, it's a really rewarding driving experience and I think being in a Gallardo relative to the Mercy where it's like this big car that's tossing you around, like, I'm going to be able to like rip it a little harder, like drive it a little bit more, like it, it's a Gallardo.

• 1:08:24Doug DeMuro?

  Super light.

• 1:08:25Speaker 02

  The maintenance, and then it's the five O with the amazing sound.

• 1:08:28Doug DeMuro?

  Do you, is, is your spouse aware of this?

• 1:08:31Speaker 02

  She is. I told her before you.

• 1:08:33Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  For once.

• 1:08:34Doug DeMuro?

  Today, this morning?

• 1:08:35Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:08:35Doug DeMuro?

  But you told her after you'd already purchased it?

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  No, actually, she was involved from the get-go.

• 1:08:39Speaker 03

  This is pretty good.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  She actually had told me, she had this like premonition, she's like, I really think you should get another yellow car. And then I showed her the five nine nine, which is in that like burgundy Bordeaux spec and she's like, oh, I hate that, that is an ugly car and a terrible color. And then I showed her them, she's like, yellow.

• 1:08:53Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  So, I kind of had wifey approval, which was nice.

• 1:08:56Speaker 03

  That's pretty cool.

• 1:08:57Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, pull up, uh, pull up that one we sold, that yellow one we sold.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  No, let's see here. Actually, recently viewed as I was staring at the comp a little bit here.

• 1:09:05Doug DeMuro?

  This is a cool looking car, you're going to have.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  Mine's identical, it's Geolumitis, same wheels, same spec, I think it even has the tinted side markers, which was a very in-period mod.

• 1:09:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  Although, carbon, carbon doors, which are super cool.

• 1:09:16Speaker 03

  The doors are so cool.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  The race seats, there weren't a lot of options, there's a registry, like carbon brakes were the big option, but other than that, like there was.

• 1:09:23Doug DeMuro?

  Carbon doors, what are the carbon doors?

• 1:09:25Speaker 03

  The door cards are full carbon.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  Doors are going to blow your mind.

• 1:09:28Speaker 03

  It's one of the coolest parts of the car.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Let me find.

• 1:09:31Speaker 03

  The seats are cool, too.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  The seats are really cool, there's a lot of special touches, the Alcantara dash. Let's see, it might be hard to tell on this.

• 1:09:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but I see.

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  The entire door card is carbon fiber.

• 1:09:41Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't realize that. Wow.

• 1:09:43Speaker 02

  The whole thing saves like a hundred and forty pounds or something like incredibly negligible, but it's just tons of special touches, a really rare car. And I think, my hope is, if you look at what happened to the four thirty Scuderia market, or even the three sixty Challenge Chevrolet market, the Lambos have been lagging for a long time and there was a result for three hundred, this car, two ninety-six. Uh, I think they're going to keep climbing.

• 1:10:07Doug DeMuro?

  You know, there's.

• 1:10:08Speaker 02

  I'm hoping they're going to keep climbing.

• 1:10:09Doug DeMuro?

  There are people who bought Countaches and hoped that.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:12Speaker 03

  The only car that moved.

• 1:10:14Doug DeMuro?

  Um, Nick, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you.

• 1:10:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  It'll be fun.

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  Do you approve of the color?

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  It'll be fun. I haven't had a V10 before.

• 1:10:22Doug DeMuro?

  It's the color. That is the color.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  I miss my Lambo and sadly, I can't get back into Mercy. I literally can't afford to get back into even a rough Mercy.

• 1:10:29Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 1:10:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:10:31Doug DeMuro?

  Um, okay, so Nick's got a guy at Superleggera. Meanwhile, Sam over here, Sam, your Rivian lease is coming up?

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  My Rivian lease is coming up.

• 1:10:39Doug DeMuro?

  You think an MDX Type S?

• 1:10:40Speaker 03

  Man, are they persistent with the follow-up. They have contacted me eight or nine times. I have like five months left. Uh, but I'm in a position where I don't need as serious of a daily driver. And you have a great list of car, like interesting four-seater cars. I have a child and will have multiple, and I need something that's reasonably good for that, that I can put a child in, but I want to have more fun with my next daily driver. But it is, the options are very limited.

• 1:11:10Doug DeMuro?

  I made this list.

• 1:11:12Speaker 03

  Shockingly so.

• 1:11:13Doug DeMuro?

  The list is completely comprehensive. There are no cars.

• 1:11:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:16Doug DeMuro?

  That could be on the list that are not.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  And half the cars on the list are like not importable yet. Like E61, like that would be great. The C63 wagon, when that happens, but like, not yet.

• 1:11:28Doug DeMuro?

  Only, I think only a few are not importable, but some of the really cool ones are not importable yet. Evo 9 wagon too would be cool.

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  And your list is a little different than mine.

• 1:11:34Doug DeMuro?

  What would, what would be on your list that's not on my list?

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  Like you have DB5 on your list, inexplicably, which makes no sense to me, but that ain't on my list.

• 1:11:42Doug DeMuro?

  You probably wouldn't have a WS6 or a Grand National on your list.

• 1:11:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:11:45Doug DeMuro?

  I'm like legit thinking Grand National for the next one.

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  I'm into that for you. I'd like to know someone with that.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Those are big.

• 1:11:50Speaker 03

  But really, the, I think the two most interesting, E30 M3.

• 1:11:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:11:54Speaker 03

  I don't know if it's got any safety whatsoever.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  Didn't you have an E46 M3 and we're a little underwhelmed?

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  No, I loved that car.

• 1:12:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:02Speaker 03

  That was such a fun car.

• 1:12:03Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the E30 M3 we've got for sale right now.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  The one you have for sale right now is very interesting. Like off-color, I'd like red ideally, but an off-color E30 M3 for like a deal?

• 1:12:13Doug DeMuro?

  Did you see how cheap the race car sold for?

• 1:12:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was cheap, but obviously I'm not looking for a race car. But look at this. It's got a re, redone interior. It looks nice.

• 1:12:22Doug DeMuro?

  Nice car.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  It might be a 10-foot car based on the, uh, comments on the repaint, but it looks so cool to me and I think that would be.

• 1:12:30Doug DeMuro?

  For a driver, how many, how many miles is it having?

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  Reasonable backseat for small kids at least. Yeah, I mean, my E46 M3 had like 160,000 miles on it and I had the interior redone and it felt like a new car.

• 1:12:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:12:43Speaker 03

  I don't know about reliability on these with mileage, but like there's a ton of miled up ones.

• 1:12:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, ton of them.

• 1:12:48Speaker 03

  And they're just so cool.

• 1:12:49Doug DeMuro?

  The motor eventually needs to rebuild, but there are people who can do it and it's not that expensive. It's a little motor. It's not that expensive.

• 1:12:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:53Speaker 02

  Um, going from a Rivian to a E30 M3 is, is quite the change.

• 1:12:58Speaker 03

  Quite the change, but right now I do like mileage on the highway. I'm going up to LA area and I'm, that probably hopefully will not be the case.

• 1:13:05Doug DeMuro?

  Occupational change. You won't have to do that anymore.

• 1:13:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:13:08Doug DeMuro?

  And so you have an opportunity to buy a DB5.

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  Right, maybe I'll get a DB5.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Just keep a couple gallons of distilled water in the trunk and it's the worst that could happen.

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  Right. The car that I think actually makes the most sense is, uh, 612.

• 1:13:21Doug DeMuro?

  612.

• 1:13:21Speaker 03

  Cause that is legitimately cool car. Well, yeah, you, you were right.

• 1:13:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, for sure.

• 1:13:27Speaker 03

  There's not that many cool and like 612 is deep cool.

• 1:13:30Doug DeMuro?

  612 is really cool.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  And I have a Boxer Spider and I don't want to replace it or 430s have gotten so expensive.

• 1:13:36Doug DeMuro?

  You don't want a car that's too similar, I imagine. Some of the cars in this list are a little sporty and high style.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  Would you do an F1?

• 1:13:40Speaker 03

  I would love to have a Ferrari at some point and like maybe this does make the most sense and the backseat is huge. They're surprisingly reliable according to the forums, like compared to a lot of other stuff.

• 1:13:51Doug DeMuro?

  Transmission though. You don't want to.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  I think it'd be cool to buy an E-Gear.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  I agree. I'm buying an E-Gear too, buddy.

• 1:14:00Speaker 03

  And swap it. I think that would be really cool, but the, the values are interesting. It's like red brings a premium, but I don't want red.

• 1:14:07Doug DeMuro?

  But premium for one of these cars isn't even that expensive anyway.

• 1:14:10Speaker 03

  The delta between the cheapest and the most expensive, not that crazy.

• 1:14:13Doug DeMuro?

  What, like 80 to 130 or something like that?

• 1:14:15Speaker 03

  You can get the nicest one.

• 1:14:17Doug DeMuro?

  And they've been at that price point for years. So as long as it stays relatively reliable for you, you probably don't.

• 1:14:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:22Doug DeMuro?

  You probably don't have a problem getting out of it for what you got in.

• 1:14:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's some amazing examples too that like to buy one of these, one of the later cars, cause they made them through 10, I believe. You had to be so rich at a time where nobody was spending money. These were 400 cars.

• 1:14:37Doug DeMuro?

  You were dropping 370 in 10.

• 1:14:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's one on another auction site that sold, um, and it's got air freight on, you know, bill of landing and it's like someone paid 400 for this car in 09 and had it air freighted.

• 1:14:51Doug DeMuro?

  Someone was making money off the recession.

• 1:14:53Speaker 03

  Right, exactly. Someone had money when they, and other people didn't. Uh, but they're ju, I think they're cool and I used to think they were hideous and they have grown on me tremendously.

• 1:15:01Doug DeMuro?

  Still think it's hideous and I am totally comfortable with, with buying it. You know, a lot of the comments.

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  This angle in particular.

• 1:15:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. No, the front is the bad angle. The very front.

• 1:15:11Speaker 02

  They're, they're all bad, but this one just screams Ford Pro.

• 1:15:14Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think this is so bad. I think it looks like a Ferrari. That is the bad angle. Um, a lot of the comments on my Ford GT.

• 1:15:20Speaker 03

  It's a happy car.

• 1:15:20Doug DeMuro?

  Said that I was going to get the heritage. We're like, I remember when you said it looked like a clown. It still looks like a clown.

• 1:15:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:15:25Doug DeMuro?

  Doesn't mean I don't want it. And that's the situation with this car. Like I don't think it ever became attractive.

• 1:15:30Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:15:30Doug DeMuro?

  Um, you said it grew on you. It never got there for me, but like that doesn't, that doesn't stop it from being a fairly affordable, fairly reliable, naturally aspirated V12 Ferrari with backseats and a lot of power.

• 1:15:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think they're super cool and if you put challenge wheels on these, they look proper cool.

• 1:15:48Doug DeMuro?

  There's some, some of the wheels were quite bad.

• 1:15:50Speaker 03

  This wheel, which is on all the early ones, is quite bad.

• 1:15:53Doug DeMuro?

  And so is the base five spoke. There was no good, Nick, thanks for showing us every single photo of a car.

• 1:15:57Speaker 02

  I don't know. That guy had so many pictures of a penny. Thanks, Nick.

• 1:16:02Doug DeMuro?

  There we go.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  There's a good view.

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's.

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  The only pretty view of the car.

• 1:16:07Doug DeMuro?

  Um, the, the original, both original wheels were bad.

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:09Doug DeMuro?

  They didn't get a great wheel till the challenge wheel in the OTO.

• 1:16:11Speaker 03

  Or a ball polished challenge wheel on a 612.

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  Or some G F J's.

• 1:16:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  Do some period direct up.

• 1:16:17Speaker 03

  You would.

• 1:16:18Doug DeMuro?

  I lived in Atlanta when this was a new car and there were guys who had wheels on them as if it was an Aventador or something like, because it was an expensive Ferrari and like you just flexed with whatever. It was like not, not a not thing. Now, of course, that doesn't happen anymore.

• 1:16:33Speaker 03

  No, and challenge wheels for 612s are actually quite expensive, which I was surprised to see. These wheels not expensive.

• 1:16:39Doug DeMuro?

  The size is different from the Ford.

• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  It must be.

• 1:16:40Doug DeMuro?

  And the 599.

• 1:16:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, cause like 360 challenge wheels aren't that expensive, 430s, but like this one, they were pretty expensive.

• 1:16:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, maybe just cause they're.

• 1:16:48Speaker 03

  But man, if you have a miled up OTO you're trying to sell, maybe with some history.

• 1:16:53Doug DeMuro?

  SeanCarsAndBids.com, S E A N. You're not thinking, now, my list here also includes a couple other cars I thought you had.

• 1:17:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, what else you got on there? What do you think's right for me?

• 1:17:02Doug DeMuro?

  Civilian Mega Cruiser?

• 1:17:04Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:17:04Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the Mega Cruiser.

• 1:17:05Speaker 03

  I live in a very military area and if I drove this around.

• 1:17:10Doug DeMuro?

  People think we're going to.

• 1:17:11Speaker 03

  It wouldn't be right.

• 1:17:12Doug DeMuro?

  I got a note that I, I, I want one of these and I've wanted one of these for a long time and I've, I've kind of had my interest kind of come back up in the last couple of months. And I sent a note over to our guy Phil Chung who maintains all my cars. I said, Phil, I said, you'd maintain this, right? And then immediately I said, let me rephrase, Phil, um, you'll be maintaining this. He said, wow, I didn't even know that existed. And I said, no, maybe he's not the guy to, maybe he's not the guy to be.

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  Although isn't it like a bus motor?

• 1:17:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:34Speaker 02

  So you don't need anyone to.

• 1:17:36Speaker 03

  It ain't that hard. Man.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  Uh, this one was really quick.

• 1:17:38Doug DeMuro?

  I do want to talk through the XC Project 8.

• 1:17:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:17:42Doug DeMuro?

  So our buddy Harry Metcalf, God incarnate. Go to his YouTube channel. Well, forget about Cars and Bids when Harry Metcalf is involved.

• 1:17:49Speaker 03

  Back to the lambs.

• 1:17:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, driven sales execution.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  Oh, this is Nick's YouTube.

• 1:17:55Doug DeMuro?

  So Harry, yeah, what do we get? What do we get?

• 1:17:59Speaker 03

  Feet to glutes.

• 1:17:59Doug DeMuro?

  Feet to glutes, that's it.

• 1:18:01Speaker 02

  I got a lot of back pain recently.

• 1:18:02Doug DeMuro?

  So Harry Metcalf, in this video, he said that he's, uh, he said that he's selling his Project 8. Harry was a, was part of.

• 1:18:12Speaker 03

  Are we just going to watch the video? Live commentary?

• 1:18:15Doug DeMuro?

  I stayed up way too late last night watching this video. I couldn't get enough of it. Harry says that, Harry was part of the, the development of this car. He was a contractor for SVO, which was like the special vehicle team of Jaguar at the time. We are going to watch this.

• 1:18:29Speaker 03

  No sound, but we're going to watch it.

• 1:18:30Doug DeMuro?

  Pause it. Uh, Harry was, and, and he helped them bring this car to life.

• 1:18:36Speaker 03

  It sort of sounded like he walked in and was like, you should do this.

• 1:18:40Doug DeMuro?

  And they were like, eh, and then they did.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  He's like the Steve, Steve Selena of the Ford GT.

• 1:18:45Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, in a way. He didn't build it though. Anyway, Harry said some interesting things in this video, uh, about this car, including that production was limited to 200 units. He said that, I've seen him say that before elsewhere on the internet, maybe even in his own comments, because they couldn't find a market for all the cars, more or less. Um, also I was right. There are no backseat delete cars in the US.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 1:19:05Doug DeMuro?

  That rolled.

• 1:19:05Speaker 03

  But yeah, it's like 160 with backseats.

• 1:19:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:09Speaker 03

  It's so interesting though, like the little things he was talking about. The whole front end is carbon. The headlights are like further forward than a regular XC.

• 1:19:16Doug DeMuro?

  Radically different.

• 1:19:17Speaker 03

  It is radically different.

• 1:19:19Doug DeMuro?

  I really want one.

• 1:19:20Speaker 03

  Badass.

• 1:19:21Speaker 02

  It's the same money as the Type 00.

• 1:19:23Doug DeMuro?

  They sell, it's a lot less than that. They sell for 90 if you can find one with some miles. 90 to 100.

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:27Doug DeMuro?

  Mild ones are like 110.

• 1:19:28Speaker 02

  I'd, I'd budget 130.

• 1:19:29Speaker 03

  Of the 160 globally, if you can find one with miles.

• 1:19:34Speaker 03

  The two with miles might sell a little cheaper.

• 1:19:37Doug DeMuro?

  Um, this car has 600 horsepower.

• 1:19:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:41Doug DeMuro?

  In a car the size of a three series, not from today, from two generations of three series ago.

• 1:19:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:19:46Doug DeMuro?

  It was an unbelievable thing then. It is an unbelievable thing now.

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  It really is.

• 1:19:51Doug DeMuro?

  Why is this not on your list?

• 1:19:52Speaker 03

  It is, but they're not really around. I mean, if they come up, but like it's a timing thing more than anything. Maybe one of these comes up a year.

• 1:20:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  And like, I don't know, maybe I'll find one. If the timing worked out, I think it would be so cool.

• 1:20:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:05Speaker 03

  Listening to him talk about it made me love the car even more.

• 1:20:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:08Speaker 03

  And just, you know, he, even the little stories about it where he was like, I wanted to do something different. So I did Merlin purple. And then I said to them, like, maybe I don't want to do that. And they were like, come see your painted car already.

• 1:20:20Doug DeMuro?

  We already built it for you.

• 1:20:21Speaker 03

  So, uh, and then he took it, you know, to the, uh, to the Autobahn.

• 1:20:25Doug DeMuro?

  He took it to the Autobahn and did 200 miles an hour.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Oh, how cool.

• 1:20:28Speaker 03

  So cool.

• 1:20:29Doug DeMuro?

  How about the fact that, that some director at Jaguar wanted a zero wing car and they made a run of 10? Not only cars with no wing and a slight lip spoiler, but like a couple of other subtle modifications. So it's not as, it's not as like shouty.

• 1:20:41Speaker 03

  It's so cool.

• 1:20:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  I think a wing delete car would be cool. I also think wing big cat is the spec.

• 1:20:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:48Speaker 03

  Orange big cat wing.

• 1:20:49Doug DeMuro?

  I would only want orange big cat.

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they're so cool.

• 1:20:52Doug DeMuro?

  Or blue big cat with the wing.

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  And they will never make anything else like this. I think it was him who said it, but it's like taking the M5 CS like powertrain and putting it in an M3. Like that would never happen.

• 1:21:03Doug DeMuro?

  No one will ever do anything like this again, especially because it was a V8. In this, a car this size, it's gone, gone. If this was a manual car, they would be selling for half million.

• 1:21:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. He said they like had to get it done in a certain timeline too, because it was

• 1:21:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:15Speaker 03

  becoming illegal to produce this.

• 1:21:17Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. Yeah.

• 1:21:18Speaker 03

  It's pretty amazing.

• 1:21:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. They had to put like particulate filters in the exhaust or something by a certain date in the, in Europe.

• 1:21:23Speaker 03

  Which took it below 200 miles an hour and they wanted it to be a 200 mile an hour car.

• 1:21:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's pretty cool. I've been, we've always talked about this car as being cool. I've always thought it was cool. Watching this video made me think even more. I am a little disappointed that Harry is selling the car. Uh, people always get disappointed when I sell cars and it's like, shut up. But so I, I, who am I? But like Harry was part of this car.

• 1:21:43Speaker 03

  Well, he said he has a very expensive car coming.

• 1:21:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  With a deposit on it. And if this car doesn't meet reserve, he's happy to keep it. But if it does, he's going to let it go to bring that car.

• 1:21:54Doug DeMuro?

  And he also said he's done a bunch of that. He tracked it. He joined the Autobahn. He took it to Italy. All that, whatever.

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  This is so much cooler than a 612 for the same money.

• 1:22:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. He's right though about finding one. So the actual numbers, by the way, were there, there were about, there were 200 cars and there's like 125 with, uh, no cage and like 60 with a cage. I was surprised there was that many. And, or maybe 40 and it was like something like that. Um, all the US cars had a cage. So you assume maybe a third of the cars came to you. It's probably like 70 cars in the United States. Now it's not like one of those things where like, oh, there's only 70. So they're worth a zillion dollars. It's more about like, find one. I was on AutoTrader this morning after watching Harry's video last night. Be like, I wonder. And there are none for sale. Uh, we have sold XEs.

• 1:22:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:22:32Doug DeMuro?

  I want to be clear.

• 1:22:33Speaker 03

  $3,500.

• 1:22:34Doug DeMuro?

  In fact, Nick, go to, go to Cars and Bids and type in XE. There's, there's actually a lot of great automobiles.

• 1:22:39Speaker 03

  No, Nick doesn't know how to get to it. Now we're full screen on too many tabs.

• 1:22:46Doug DeMuro?

  Type in XE, nothing else.

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  Nothing else.

• 1:22:49Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't type in anything else.

• 1:22:53Doug DeMuro?

  I knew you were messing up.

• 1:22:56Speaker 03

  This is what you want. A lot of good cars.

• 1:22:58Doug DeMuro?

  XEs. You can buy an XE Nissan. You can buy a Chrysler Laser XE.

• 1:23:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:23:05Speaker 03

  Lot of good cars.

• 1:23:06Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway.

• 1:23:07Speaker 03

  Anyway.

• 1:23:07Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Jaguar.

• 1:23:09Speaker 03

  Nick's thing with how he likes to refer to V10 M6s as E63s.

• 1:23:13Doug DeMuro?

  Uh huh.

• 1:23:14Speaker 03

  You ever look up F12?

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  I, we are about to.

• 1:23:18Speaker 03

  This is a new one for you.

• 1:23:20Doug DeMuro?

  There you go.

• 1:23:21Speaker 03

  You could see a lot of F12s around. Yeah.

• 1:23:24Doug DeMuro?

  One time, one time we were at Cars and Coffee and a dude came up to Nick, I can't remember why it was like, and we were next to an E63. And he's like, is this your E63? And Nick goes, BMW.

• 1:23:35Doug DeMuro?

  He's so annoying. The guy must've thought Nick was a complete idiot, which he is.

• 1:23:40Speaker 02

  I was accidentally right though. Here, you got another.

• 1:23:42Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't your mom at one point get a 430 Spider? But.

• 1:23:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, 430 Spider, BMW.

• 1:23:48Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the Integrale that we have live right now. I want to talk about that with Sam for a second.

• 1:23:51Speaker 03

  How cool is that?

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  See, I wish I could buy something like this, but the unknowns and the unreliability, I assume of something like this is too much for me.

• 1:24:02Doug DeMuro?

  What about a RS4 Avant, B5?

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  That would be cool. I'm more into like B7 RS4 Avant. Sit on it, not in it.

• 1:24:11Doug DeMuro?

  What about, I'm looking at this list here, uh, Terme Cobra?

• 1:24:15Speaker 03

  Nope. Not me.

• 1:24:17Doug DeMuro?

  You're not a muscle car man.

• 1:24:18Speaker 03

  Not like us, am I right?

• 1:24:19Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:24:20Doug DeMuro?

  Heck yeah.

• 1:24:21Speaker 03

  Celine men.

• 1:24:21Doug DeMuro?

  What about a Lagonda?

• 1:24:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, no.

• 1:24:25Speaker 02

  A Rapide?

• 1:24:26Speaker 03

  Rapide is interesting.

• 1:24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Are those as cheap as they used to be?

• 1:24:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  They're like 50.

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  We were like sending them back in 40.

• 1:24:34Doug DeMuro?

  I bet you they are.

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  They're not appreciating.

• 1:24:36Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  Uh, Phantom. From like a used car dealer for 36.

• 1:24:40Speaker 03

  Damn, that was, that's a cool thing to get for 36.

• 1:24:43Doug DeMuro?

  Straight piped.

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  I bet it's available.

• 1:24:45Doug DeMuro?

  Straight piped it and threw it from South Dakota's long. You know what I mean?

• 1:24:49Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. I want to move on. What about an FF?

• 1:24:52Speaker 03

  I don't want an FF as much as a 612.

• 1:24:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, same. 612 just says there's like a, there's a je ne sais quoi.

• 1:24:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. And it's like bad, but good.

• 1:25:00Speaker 02

  Take the FF any day over that.

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  It's got the transmission thing.

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  The 612 has the physical appearance thing. I mean, they've all got them.

• 1:25:08Doug DeMuro?

  You think an FF is beautiful? Pull up an FF.

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  I do think it's beautiful.

• 1:25:11Speaker 03

  I do think an FF.

• 1:25:11Doug DeMuro?

  And yeah, you can put, you can put a manual in a 612. FF.

• 1:25:15Speaker 02

  You could do it in an FF. It would just be very tricky.

• 1:25:18Speaker 03

  You claim that.

• 1:25:19Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I don't understand and I will still, I still to this day can't, can't wrap my head around. This is the best looking one.

• 1:25:25Speaker 03

  Can't see anything.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  Um, yeah. Find a yellow one.

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, find a yellow one. You're going to be looking.

• 1:25:31Doug DeMuro?

  This is sick. Red on red.

• 1:25:33Speaker 03

  Again.

• 1:25:35Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:25:36Doug DeMuro?

  Black wheels, terrible photos.

• 1:25:39Speaker 03

  Wasn't this, uh, JR Garage's car?

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  Might've been. That one caught fire.

• 1:25:44Doug DeMuro?

  Pick that white one. Nice white one.

• 1:25:45Speaker 03

  Nick goes past six great cars.

• 1:25:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:25:48Speaker 03

  White is the lack of color.

• 1:25:49Doug DeMuro?

  Blows me away about this car.

• 1:25:52Doug DeMuro?

  The GTC4 Luso looks so much better.

• 1:25:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:55Doug DeMuro?

  But they did nothing. How did they manage to do, to do so little and yet do so much? It was like the original Panamera facelift.

• 1:26:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:26:03Doug DeMuro?

  They like took it like by doing nothing, they made it really improved it.

• 1:26:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, but look how good it looks if you just do that.

• 1:26:09Speaker 03

  Do what?

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  Cut out the first quarter of the car.

• 1:26:12Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. The 612.

• 1:26:14Speaker 03

  Right. Just take the middle of the 612.

• 1:26:16Speaker 02

  This is a lot nicer looking than the 612.

• 1:26:18Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the, the 612 is a mechanical car and this car is definitely more of a point and shoot car. I have to say, this particular one with that brown interior looks pretty damn nice.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:26:27Doug DeMuro?

  What did this sell for?

• 1:26:29Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's too busy.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  129. 116.5.

• 1:26:33Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. We got to move on to the market report and there's a lot to discuss in the market report today. Uh, we're very late on time. We have to move on to questions. There are some very special questions. But I want to move on to the market report. Uh, actually I only want to talk about two cars. We already talked about the Superleggero. So let's talk about the 1M.

• 1:26:49Speaker 03

  Hmm. There's another car that could be on my list.

• 1:26:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. What about that?

• 1:26:53Speaker 03

  I wouldn't be opposed to that. And then I would really one up producer Sean with his M2.

• 1:26:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:26:59Speaker 03

  M2, 1M.

• 1:27:00Doug DeMuro?

  1M.

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  That is nice looking.

• 1:27:04Doug DeMuro?

  Although, did you see the thing from that Instagram page, that BMW N Statistics Instagram page today?

• 1:27:09Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:27:10Doug DeMuro?

  So BMW just announced that they produced their millionth M car and it was an orange M3. Very nice looking car. And this N Statistics page that has all the production numbers of all the M cars going back to day one, says that actually they've produced a million and 6,000 M cars. And the number that they've produced over a million corresponds exactly to the 1M production number.

• 1:27:31Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:27:31Doug DeMuro?

  And his theory is they don't count the 1M as the M car.

• 1:27:34Speaker 03

  That's crazy. Makes sense.

• 1:27:36Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, one of these just sold, the black one you had up a second ago, just sold for 55. These are not getting more.

• 1:27:40Speaker 03

  Such a bargain. Is that because of the color or do 50,000 mile orange ones bring the same amount?

• 1:27:46Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I think the, I think this one, this one was also sold relatively light. I think that, um, we all thought these would shoot up in value and boy, didn't they?

• 1:27:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:27:58Doug DeMuro?

  BMW just kept coming out with cars in this segment and even as special as this car is, I don't think the, the world like really quite appreciates it as much as I did when I first drove it, in part because like there are other amazing M cars.

• 1:28:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, would you pay a hundred grand for a one series?

• 1:28:11Doug DeMuro?

  When the M2 competition exists, when the M2 CS exists, when a regular M2 is 37 or whatever he paid.

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:17Doug DeMuro?

  It's hard to justify.

• 1:28:18Speaker 03

  But I think for 55, like when I see these, which is maybe once every six months, once a year, I'm pumped. Like that is an awesome thing to see.

• 1:28:26Doug DeMuro?

  Way cooler than all the M2s for sure.

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  Way cooler. I don't know. 55 grand. That's tempting.

• 1:28:32Speaker 02

  It's a buy.

• 1:28:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:33Doug DeMuro?

  For 55.

• 1:28:34Speaker 02

  This, this is a better idea for you than an E30 M3.

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  Can you fit a baby seat in the back of this?

• 1:28:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  About, the E30 is not exactly a big car either, you know?

• 1:28:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:28:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, although there's so much less. Yeah, there's so much less stuff on the old cars. The Supra has room for days in the back. You could get a giraffe back there. Adolescent, but a giraffe.

• 1:28:56Speaker 03

  Good, good. He's got no response to that.

• 1:28:58Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, 1M, surprisingly affordable.

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, surprising. It has stayed affordable.

• 1:29:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I mean, 55 is obviously big money, but you're certainly going to net out. And honestly, there was a time when everyone was predicting this was a $200,000, $100,000, $150,000 car in 10 years. Well, it's been 15 years and, and that didn't happen. And that's kind of cool. You can get a real iconic car. And I will say, these cars are not rare globally. There's 6,600 of them or something. There's a pretty decent amount of them out there. Um, it's just rare in the US because they had to sneak them all into one single model.

• 1:29:27Speaker 03

  Yeah. I feel like a lot come in from Canada too.

• 1:29:29Doug DeMuro?

  Lot of Canada. Yeah. Which are legal in the US. Those cars are all legal in the US. Nick, you ever thought about a 1M?

• 1:29:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, I've never owned a BMW and I'm, it's kind of like Ferrari where I'm just like, am I really a BMW or Ferrari guy? Like probably not.

• 1:29:42Doug DeMuro?

  Clearly now that you bought another Lamborghini and sold a Mercedes, I would say you're probably not a BMW or a Ferrari guy. Uh, okay. The other thing I want to talk about is the Fisker Ocean. Can you pull up the Fisker Ocean?

• 1:29:51Speaker 03

  Oh man.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  There's so much pulling up.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  Fisker Ocean.

• 1:29:57Speaker 03

  This is Nick with a job complaining. What happens at your real job?

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  Here we go. 10 grand.

• 1:30:01Speaker 03

  Now, this is bid to, go to the results.

• 1:30:04Speaker 02

  It's still live.

• 1:30:04Doug DeMuro?

  It's live. Go to the results.

• 1:30:06Speaker 03

  You could buy it.

• 1:30:06Doug DeMuro?

  This is a market report. Go down.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:30:09Doug DeMuro?

  This is good. We just sold the Fisker Ocean for 25,000 United States dollars.

• 1:30:15Speaker 03

  Damn, that is crazy.

• 1:30:16Doug DeMuro?

  Fisker Oceans are rocketing up in value. You want a good investment advice, folks? Go get a.

• 1:30:22Speaker 03

  Oh no. Oh no. What happened?

• 1:30:29Doug DeMuro?

  We can't ever have

• 1:30:29Speaker 02

  Somehow, I have four desktops and only one screen. I'm never gonna be able to use this computer again.

• 1:30:35Speaker 03

  You'll be okay.

• 1:30:36Speaker 02

  Last week while we were filming, my former employer literally locked me out of my computer mid pod. And I could no longer look things up and just had a dead computer. And now I have one with four desktops.

• 1:30:46Doug DeMuro?

  I have four desktops. I'm never gonna be able to use this computer.

• 1:30:51Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Nick, you can at least take solace in knowing that a Fisker Ocean sold for 25,000 United States dollars.

• 1:30:58Speaker 03

  That is wild.

• 1:30:58Doug DeMuro?

  Where outside Philly is this? Nick, I don't understand why

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  Wilkes-Barre. You're spot on.

• 1:31:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yikes. Nick, I don't understand why you are not in a Fisker Ocean today.

• 1:31:08Speaker 02

  They are temp- I mean, I just, you've got to imagine that's a headache.

• 1:31:13Speaker 03

  I think there's a lot of support for them because that one company owns like $40 million worth of them. It must be supporting.

• 1:31:19Doug DeMuro?

  They're all doing real miles every day in Manhattan.

• 1:31:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:21Doug DeMuro?

  You go to Manhattan, you see a hundred of them. And they're like driving people around, like doing miles.

• 1:31:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:31:27Doug DeMuro?

  That company bought all the software. Now, I have a buddy who sent me one the other day that was asking 12. And he's like, is this a terrible idea? And I was like, yeah. I was like, but they are doing miles in Manhattan. And he apparently Googled it. And there's apparently like community software support too.

• 1:31:38Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:31:38Doug DeMuro?

  Not just like, I have to contact the taxi company. Yeah. Like people have like figured out how to patch some stuff or whatever.

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  If I lived near Rich Rebuilds, I would definitely buy one.

• 1:31:47Doug DeMuro?

  25 grand.

• 1:31:48Speaker 03

  He could put a V8.

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  I think him and I could figure out. Like, he's done a few. He's doing some Lucids right now. And then he has a Rivian delivery van. Have you seen this?

• 1:31:55Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:31:56Speaker 02

  So Rich Rebuilds bought a bricked Amazon delivery van and Rivian won't support it. And he's like fixing it himself using Baby Lube and like, like stuff like that. Like, it's crazy. So.

• 1:32:06Speaker 03

  If I either had his talent or access to him, this would be absolutely first thing I do.

• 1:32:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's true. It'd be nice to have Rich Rebuilds anyway. But if we did have him, I would no longer be friends with you.

• 1:32:17Speaker 02

  Get him on the pod next. He can have my seat.

• 1:32:20Doug DeMuro?

  You would want to be on him with him.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  No, I definitely would. But I'm just saying, I want him on the pod more than I want myself.

• 1:32:25Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, make it happen. Make it so. Get, call Rich Rebuilds as people.

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  The best part of Rich Rebuilds, so Supercar Blondie loves to take YouTube videos and then spin up articles about it. And they keep calling him Massachusetts man. And then now Rich Rebuilds is in it. And he like, he's turned it into a meme of Massachusetts man. I Fisker, Massachusetts. Like, so he's like self referencing the humor and it's just so great.

• 1:32:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, because Supercar Blondie's website has like some AI content generator.

• 1:32:49Speaker 03

  Wasn't he California man?

• 1:32:50Doug DeMuro?

  California.

• 1:32:50Speaker 02

  I was once, I'm no longer newsworthy on their site after a couple of articles. So I think they must not have done well. But Massachusetts man is killing it.

• 1:32:58Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, what would it take to get you into a Fisker Ocean?

• 1:33:02Speaker 02

  10 grand.

• 1:33:04Speaker 03

  There was a time you probably could.

• 1:33:05Doug DeMuro?

  You would buy one for 10? I think you, go back.

• 1:33:08Speaker 02

  I mean, it's possible.

• 1:33:09Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to the ocean results. So hit the back button on the browser.

• 1:33:14Speaker 03

  Turned into an Apple store.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  On which one of my four desktops, Doug?

• 1:33:18Speaker 02

  What if it goes back on my Outlook?

• 1:33:20Speaker 03

  Wow, look at these many that sold with no miles. Where did those come?

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  18 to 20 buys you one.

• 1:33:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, this person got a deal.

• 1:33:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:28Doug DeMuro?

  123 miles, you only paid 26. 74 miles. Who were these? Who was unloading these?

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  The first one, bid to 65.

• 1:33:35Speaker 03

  Did you take it?

• 1:33:36Doug DeMuro?

  That car, that car.

• 1:33:38Speaker 02

  What a story in four photos.

• 1:33:39Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna disclose something. It's been three years since that auction. That car, we had that in the office. It was like the first Fisker Ocean around. We had it in the office. I reviewed it. That car got bid to 65. His reserve was like 67. He didn't take it. And then the company got out of business and now the car's worth 11 grand. Although maybe it's coming back up.

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  It's, no, it's worth like a solid 19. We talked about that being crazy at the time. So, still is.

• 1:34:01Doug DeMuro?

  What, that he shouldn't, that he didn't take it?

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Take that all day long. Screwed that up. Because within, within six months, it was a 31 car with 700 miles.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  Crazy. That was an era though, where all the hot EVs were flipping for a premium. Like if you had the new Hummer EV, it was like a big deal. And people were flipping Tesla.

• 1:34:16Doug DeMuro?

  Although by the end of 23, that was coming to an end. They really, that was really a decision.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  That's still like, the people thought that that was still a possibility.

• 1:34:23Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want to move on to the questions because we are deep into the time situation. Um, the questions, uh, this week were bad.

• 1:35:01Speaker 03

  Shame on you.

• 1:35:03Doug DeMuro?

  They weren't great. Um, but I found some. Remember, next week, I want to be very clear about this. This is very important. Next week, we have the CEO of Cars and Bids. His name is Dan, or Daniel, I call him sometimes.

• 1:35:15Speaker 03

  Do you?

• 1:35:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  He's selling his personal Porsche on the website.

• 1:35:20Doug DeMuro?

  Send him questions, folks. This company, he is a suit. Be like, why? Why are you such a suit? My God. Why have you done this? Why are you such a, such a corporatist? That could be one of your questions. And maybe we'll answer it on air. No, he, Dan is not like that. He's not one of those guys. And, and, and they pay me big bucks to say that.

• 1:35:40Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, my point is, direct your questions to Dan next week because it's, this is your chance to really get into the inner workings of Cars and Bids and find out what the hell is going on. Don't you agree?

• 1:35:53Speaker 02

  I would love to know myself. They won't hire me. So, you know, despite what everyone thinks.

• 1:35:59Speaker 03

  What are they doing over there?

• 1:36:00Doug DeMuro?

  Before this podcast started, Nick complained to me that Dan has never personally called him and told him, good job.

• 1:36:05Speaker 03

  That's all I want.

• 1:36:06Doug DeMuro?

  And so I said to Nick, good job. And he said, it doesn't mean anything coming from you.

• 1:36:12Speaker 02

  I stand by that statement.

• 1:36:16Doug DeMuro?

  Well, uh, okay. First question from Nar01. Dear Doug, what did Filippo damage?

• 1:36:22Doug DeMuro?

  What didn't he damage?

• 1:36:26Doug DeMuro?

  Last week on the pod, I said Filippo damaged one of my cars. Um, he, I think I said he crashed one of my cars.

• 1:36:33Speaker 03

  Yes. It was a aggressive.

• 1:36:36Doug DeMuro?

  I was an exaggeration. He's, he slightly curbed the wheel on a press car that I had. And when we gave it back to the press car company, I, I was told that I will never be having a press car again. No, look, Filippo damaged a car on his last day. He damaged a press car. He curbed the wheel. It's fine. I will simply never let him drive a car again. You agree?

• 1:37:02Speaker 03

  I think that's fair.

• 1:37:03Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I just dropped off something at his house on the way over here. And his truck's sitting in front of his house. The, the license plate, which took him a year to get, is in the back window. It's been two weeks, three weeks. Can't take a screw. He was off.

• 1:37:16Speaker 03

  He had a week off.

• 1:37:17Doug DeMuro?

  He had a week between Cars and Bids and, and, and his new job. He, take a screw, Filippo. You think I'm letting this guy drive my cars?

• 1:37:26Speaker 03

  Right. And we think her, his wheels are ever gonna get refinished.

• 1:37:28Speaker 02

  That's a shame. Had he curbed one of his 911 wheels, it would have been an excuse to get him refinished.

• 1:37:33Doug DeMuro?

  He didn't do that. Remember, he was like, I'm gonna do it. I'm going to Michigan. I'll do it then.

• 1:37:36Speaker 03

  He's got time. He's gonna do it for the next guy.

• 1:37:39Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, Filippo damaged a press car and, and thank God he didn't damage a real car. Cause I'd be really upset. What was your thoughts when he damaged that press car, Sam?

• 1:37:50Speaker 03

  Well, he was picking up dinner for me. So I had, I was appreciative of that.

• 1:37:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:37:57Speaker 03

  But I felt like, uh, I feel like we should continue to remind him that he's done that.

• 1:38:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Uh, next question from the V8 Pumpkin. It's a topical Halloween, uh, comment.

• 1:38:07Speaker 02

  Nice. Wow.

• 1:38:07Doug DeMuro?

  Question for Doug and disciples. That's you, Nick. Uh, what car did you pick up your wife or now girlfriend in for your first dates? We're all married. Sam, what was the car that you picked up your lady in?

• 1:38:18Speaker 03

  Our first date, I think I Ubered. But the first time I like.

• 1:38:23Speaker 02

  Did you spring for the black or did you go over the?

• 1:38:25Speaker 03

  No, I was an ex guy back then. I'd lust to lose. Um, I think I had a, I had an RS5 coupe.

• 1:38:32Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 1:38:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:32Speaker 02

  One out.

• 1:38:33Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. And she said, is this a 2.9, like the F40? And I said, yep.

• 1:38:37Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 1:38:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. Marriage material.

• 1:38:39Speaker 03

  Yep. She didn't say that, but I wish she did.

• 1:38:42Doug DeMuro?

  But the F40 was.

• 1:38:45Speaker 02

  We were an undergrad. I didn't have a car.

• 1:38:47Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you had a car.

• 1:38:51Speaker 03

  I did not.

• 1:38:51Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you, okay. Well, then your buddy had that W6.

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  I'll extrapolate. I'll go back to high school.

• 1:38:56Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:38:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  And.

• 1:38:58Doug DeMuro?

  This is not your current wife and someone else.

• 1:39:00Speaker 02

  Borrowed my dad's ML320 to impress a high school chick.

• 1:39:03Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:04Speaker 03

  And she thought you earned it.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:39:06Doug DeMuro?

  She got in that car.

• 1:39:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. But it had, it had the pinstriping, the tire dressing, all the dealer installed options.

• 1:39:12Doug DeMuro?

  She saw the three air vents in the center instead of just two air vents in the center. She was like, oh my God.

• 1:39:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. Made in Alabama, like Ryan Lopez.

• 1:39:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:39:20Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:39:20Doug DeMuro?

  But it's made in Tuscaloosa and Ryan Lopez hates Tuscaloosa.

• 1:39:25Speaker 02

  Roll tide.

• 1:39:26Speaker 03

  It's an Auburn man.

• 1:39:27Doug DeMuro?

  Exactly. One of you's got it. Uh, anyway, my answer is a B5A4. Uh, next question.

• 1:39:32Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 1:39:33Doug DeMuro?

  This is a good question from Golden Retriever Energy. This is a question about Sean, actually. Dear Doug, I've noticed last few weeks, there's been no Sunday video.

• 1:39:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:41Doug DeMuro?

  I love your Sunday videos. It went more into the niches of your automotive knowledge base. Any reason why they aren't happening? Let me tell you what happened with Sunday videos. We were doing them over the summer. They didn't perform that well. So I got home and I don't want to do, I don't really, I'm not really trying to do more videos. And Sean said, how about we replace the Sunday videos with something else? So just stop right now. And so I stopped and then we never replaced them. And I'll tell you something. It's pretty nice.

• 1:40:08Doug DeMuro?

  It's pretty nice.

• 1:40:09Speaker 02

  They're never coming.

• 1:40:11Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, that's the end of the Sunday videos. Sean, we still, we still plan on a replacement? Sean says, yeah, I'm thinking, no.

• 1:40:17Speaker 02

  Can we, I think?

• 1:40:18Doug DeMuro?

  I might give, listen, folks, you're so, you're so much closer to not having Thursday videos. Than you are to getting Sunday videos back. You should be happy with what you have. Nick, why don't you pop onto my channel on Sunday and, and just spout stuff?

• 1:40:34Speaker 02

  I want to livestream. Is that why you can't edit? Or cut things and make it sound like I was gonna say something inappropriate?

• 1:40:40Doug DeMuro?

  You know what, oh, yeah, yes. It's us who cuts and makes you seem like you were gonna say something inappropriate. We're the bad guy here.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  I agree. You did me wrong. I'm glad we're on the same page.

• 1:40:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, Nick, um, next question, next question from, oh, this is a good one, from Josh Bacon 8241. What would you say the greatest car your parents owned during your childhood was?

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  Oh, man. I fear this question will expose our.

• 1:41:09Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, uh, my parents only had four cars my entire childhood. Uh, two Toyota Camrys and a Zusa Rodeo and a Mazda Tribute. That was it. Greatest? Take your pick. Nick, uh, why don't you tell us yours? Taurig one.

• 1:41:21Speaker 02

  Well, it depends on how you define greatest. I would say we, we had a 65 Mustang. That would be my favorite if I were to like, keep one. We named her Merle. And then we had a 67 Mustang named Max and Max and Merle were stablemates. So I would say one of those two.

• 1:41:37Doug DeMuro?

  Huh.

• 1:41:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:38Doug DeMuro?

  Really? So it wasn't the Taurig one, it wasn't the ML320, it wasn't the X-type?

• 1:41:41Speaker 02

  If it were a car that I would want now, it's one of those two. But yeah, the X-type was like probably the, what I thought was the nicest and I never understood why people hated those so much. Like, it was pretty cool.

• 1:41:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:52Speaker 02

  Um, and then my dad had a Cadillac Elante. That was, wow, that's pretty good.

• 1:41:56Doug DeMuro?

  Like, this is a new hot thing. He hit every one of those.

• 1:41:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:59Doug DeMuro?

  VW's first luxury SUV, Mercedes' first SUV.

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:03Doug DeMuro?

  Cadillac's first entry level, he was there, Jaguar.

• 1:42:06Speaker 02

  And they were all painful experiences. Like, he, like me, he made the same mistake multiple times before it really sunk in. And was like, oh, there's a reason why I shouldn't buy the first model year of a car. But, yeah, there was some cool stuff.

• 1:42:17Doug DeMuro?

  There was some cool stuff. But your favorite was Max and Merle, the Mustangs?

• 1:42:20Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:42:21Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think that's better than two Toyota Camrys, a Mazda Tribute and a Zusa Rodeo?

• 1:42:25Speaker 02

  Hey dude, you know, you do you. You're, you're out picking up chicks in a B5A4, all right? Not all of us can be like that. I didn't even have a car, that's how humble I had it.

• 1:42:36Doug DeMuro?

  So humble.

• 1:42:37Speaker 02

  That's beautiful. I was walk craft, though.

• 1:42:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:40Speaker 02

  I took the, I took.

• 1:42:40Doug DeMuro?

  On both sides.

• 1:42:41Speaker 02

  I took the purple line to the red line to get to Chicago, all right? That's how I took my lady out. Or called the Evanston Capsule.

• 1:42:50Doug DeMuro?

  That's probably true, honestly.

• 1:42:51Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:42:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it was pre-Uber.

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  I would say mine's similar to Nick's in the new SUV thing. My mom got a base Cayenne. Nice, might have been an S.

• 1:43:00Doug DeMuro?

  Nine five eight?

• 1:43:02Speaker 02

  Slash nine two eight? No, nine five five. Ooh. Wait.

• 1:43:05Doug DeMuro?

  The first nine PA.

• 1:43:06Speaker 02

  Nine PA. Yeah, and it was lemon shortly thereafter.

• 1:43:10Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:43:10Speaker 02

  Because it was always in the shop.

• 1:43:12Doug DeMuro?

  It was an O3?

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  And all I remember from being a kid was my mom got a Cayenne, which was like crazy at the time.

• 1:43:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  And it was always in the shop and her rental cars were trash.

• 1:43:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  It was like a Malibu of the time that she was.

• 1:43:25Doug DeMuro?

  She was making payments on this Cayenne.

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Driving them out. But Porsche bought it back and she got a Navigator. And then she had many Navigators.

• 1:43:31Doug DeMuro?

  And that era of Malibu was tough.

• 1:43:33Speaker 02

  That was a bad era.

• 1:43:34Doug DeMuro?

  This was an O3, this was the very beginning, the first year.

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  Very beginning.

• 1:43:37Doug DeMuro?

  The first year Cayenne, there was no base. It was only the X, it was a turbo. Damn, we were killing it.

• 1:43:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:42Doug DeMuro?

  We were killing it. 340 horse.

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:44Doug DeMuro?

  V8.

• 1:43:45Speaker 02

  It was burgundy.

• 1:43:47Doug DeMuro?

  Damn. You guys all, all these V8s.

• 1:43:50Speaker 02

  That's like a $1,000 car now.

• 1:43:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Well, that car's been exported. Well, it was exported after the buyback, for sure.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Oh, 100%.

• 1:43:56Doug DeMuro?

  That car is currently in Estonia.

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  Living a good life.

• 1:44:00Doug DeMuro?

  There is no question about it. Estonians are gonna write in, they're gonna be upset, but it's true. Estonians, come on. Look around, you know.

• 1:44:06Speaker 02

  You see my mom's Cayenne, let us.

• 1:44:08Doug DeMuro?

  You see all the two line license plates, you know where those cars come from. Uh, okay, next question. Uh, cause the normal.

• 1:44:17Speaker 02

  Way over my head there.

• 1:44:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:18Speaker 02

  Same.

• 1:44:19Doug DeMuro?

  In Estonia and other Eastern European countries, the license plates are long. Okay. But when the car is exported from the US after it was crashed and then port, it then gets rebuilt, they don't have the space for the long European license plate. And so all of those Eastern European countries offer the option of a US-sized license plate, but it's, it's two lines. And so it's like the, the first letters and then the numbers.

• 1:44:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:42Doug DeMuro?

  So you can always tell when you see one of those, generally, that the car has been, it was a US export. Or Canada. Now you know.

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  Now we know. That's, that's a great fact. Or you know.

• 1:44:52Doug DeMuro?

  Japan is the same, the US plate size, so a JDM car is the same, but they don't get.

• 1:44:55Speaker 02

  I thought they do what Filippo did in his 911 where they just sort of like screw it into a tow hook and make it look terrible, but it's compliant.

• 1:45:01Doug DeMuro?

  So bad. But Filippo's such a rules guy. I've been thinking more and more about Filippo's existence in this, in this large company. He's, of course, that's, he's, that's, he's at home.

• 1:45:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:10Doug DeMuro?

  He's, he's a middleman. He loves meetings and rules and like, that's Filippo. That's where he lives.

• 1:45:16Speaker 02

  Right. Speaking of Filippo, Willow Springs Raceway.

• 1:45:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, next question. Uh, dear Doug, would you consider a Carrera GT color swap? For, this is from Alton471. Would you consider a Carrera GT color swap just as you are with your Ford GT?

• 1:45:32Speaker 02

  They must think you're rich.

• 1:45:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, that's not happening. They're really expensive.

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  What about a recommission?

• 1:45:39Doug DeMuro?

  Nope.

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  Hey, they'll reset your odometer if you pay them enough.

• 1:45:42Doug DeMuro?

  You pay them enough, you get to reset the odometer package. From Redneck Zeus, dear Doug, well, this is a question for all of us. Do you ever consider keeping your enthusiast cars to pass down to your children for them to experience when they're grown, especially as values to continue to climb? Uh, and then you risk these cars coming, becoming out of reach for them to purchase on their own? So maybe it's best to pass them down. Do you ever consider that?

• 1:46:05Speaker 02

  Dear E55 wagon.

• 1:46:07Doug DeMuro?

  Like, when your Mercy, did you ever sit with your Mercy and say, I'm selling this, but I could pass this down to my children? And instead I'm selling it.

• 1:46:15Speaker 02

  Do, I mean, do you want the, the serious answer?

• 1:46:17Doug DeMuro?

  I'll give you a serious answer. Your son is gonna one day, and be in high school, be like, my dad used to have a Mercy. Of course, now he has a, a used Jaguar Type O1. But he used to have a Mercy Alago. Kids are gonna be like, no, he didn't. That's, that is a lie. How's that gonna feel?

• 1:46:38Speaker 02

  Uh, one, I've got pictures, so hell no.

• 1:46:41Doug DeMuro?

  AI, dude, AI does a lot of stuff. I got, I sent someone a picture the other day of a rhinoceros on the, on the observation deck of the Empire State Building. It's not a real picture. They didn't, never had an rhinoceros up, I bet.

• 1:46:51Speaker 02

  I, I think by the time my kids are of driving age, according to the CEOs of every powerful AI company, existence on the planet is questionable. Like, I don't, I don't think I'm saving anything for 10 years because I'm not confident that 10 years is a, a realistic expectation for humanity.

• 1:47:08Doug DeMuro?

  10 years? You give us 10?

• 1:47:11Speaker 02

  I, I think that's being generous. Wow, we better get on it.

• 1:47:13Doug DeMuro?

  Was that the serious answer?

• 1:47:14Speaker 02

  That's the serious answer.

• 1:47:15Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, great. You know what? I don't even want to hear the other answers.

• 1:47:18Speaker 02

  The other answer is I don't have a barn in Ohio to put all these things. Like, what am I, where am I gonna put?

• 1:47:22Doug DeMuro?

  Cause you have had pass, cars passed down to you.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  Hagerty looks me up on Google Earth and says, your garage is too small for all these cars, you need to figure it out.

• 1:47:29Doug DeMuro?

  Now it's blurred.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  And I give them your personal residence and say, it's in there.

• 1:47:34Doug DeMuro?

  You, you, Nick, Nick, you have, uh, had cars passed down to you. And they're, they're now very old cars that are very difficult to operate.

• 1:47:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know, we had to replace the tube tires in our 39 Rolls.

• 1:47:48Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:47:48Speaker 02

  That was a process. And then finding places that sell replacement tubes for 30s cars? Not easy. But yeah, that one will stay in the family forever. But in Wyoming, where we have space. Here, there's no space.

• 1:47:59Doug DeMuro?

  What happens when, uh, you know, Frank, Crazy Frank dies?

• 1:48:04Speaker 02

  I mean, the beauty of 30s cars or pre-war cars? They're incredibly simple. Like, there's no like fancy electronics or like carbureted cars, you can rebuild them.

• 1:48:14Doug DeMuro?

  They're known for being very easy to work on.

• 1:48:15Speaker 02

  Like, yeah, you can, a tube is just rubber.

• 1:48:17Doug DeMuro?

  Anyone can. Brass is available anywhere.

• 1:48:20Speaker 02

  Um, exactly.

• 1:48:21Doug DeMuro?

  Sam, what about you? Would you consider passing cars down to your children?

• 1:48:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:48:26Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:48:28Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna burden them, they can get what they want.

• 1:48:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I completely agree with that.

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  What if you got a 612 Scag? Uh, then I definitely wouldn't pass it down to them.

• 1:48:36Doug DeMuro?

  I have.

• 1:48:36Speaker 02

  I don't think they would want that. Nick's, you know, got this Rolls that he feels.

• 1:48:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:40Speaker 02

  Obligated to maintain. And then, then his kids are gonna have to maintain that.

• 1:48:44Doug DeMuro?

  Probably 400 feet long, there's nowhere to put it when, when the dad is gone.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  It's like the character building exercise to drive a three-speed manual right-hand drive boat from the 30s.

• 1:48:53Doug DeMuro?

  It is obligation, is what it is. It's obligation. We've always had it. We'll always have it.

• 1:48:59Speaker 02

  You know what? All I really want for my son is for Dan, the CEO of Cars and Bids, to call him and say that your dad did a good job. That's all, all, I feel like, like, son would respect me. I would respect me. It would solve so much with just a phone call.

• 1:49:15Doug DeMuro?

  Just a phone, the guy won't pick up the phone. He won't call Nick. Uh, okay. Um, I agree with you, by the way. I don't believe in passing stuff down at all, any stuff. I have this theory that some of the boomer generation collects things and some of the younger generations collects experiences. And boy, does that seem to be the true. They cannot understand why. Like, a lot of the upset comments when I've sold my cars, especially 93 Turbo, I checked their profiles and it's similar. "Why would you sell this, this car? You said it was a bucket list car. I'm keeping mine forever." I mean, you do you, but I'm not trying to burden anybody with anything. Next question, Ziggy4800. "Dear Doug, would you do a video where you and Hoovie swap places for a day?"

• 1:49:55Speaker 02

  Oh, Nick would love this.

• 1:49:57Doug DeMuro?

  You would get access to his garage and daily activities, and he gets access to yours. I think it would be really amusing.

• 1:50:04Speaker 02

  That would be. I'd watch that.

• 1:50:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. Would you do that?

• 1:50:08Speaker 02

  Anything else you have to say about it, Nick?

• 1:50:10Doug DeMuro?

  I can't imagine you being comfortable with Hoovie driving any of your cars. Yeah.

• 1:50:14Speaker 02

  Would you allow that?

• 1:50:15Doug DeMuro?

  Hoovie?

• 1:50:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, especially after the Filippo incident.

• 1:50:17Doug DeMuro?

  After the Filippo crashed my car?

• 1:50:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:50:22Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, that was, that was tough.

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  Hoovie, Hoovie buries cars in his yard when they break down.

• 1:50:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:27Speaker 02

  Like, he does stuff. So, you gotta think about that.

• 1:50:30Doug DeMuro?

  What about you? Would you swap places with Hoovie?

• 1:50:32Speaker 02

  Hoovie would not swap places with me, but I would-

• 1:50:34Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean? Why not?

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  I think his garage is so cool. What would he drive a mic? A Range Rover with a broken convertible top? But it's also his daily activities.

• 1:50:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think the question isn't just like about your cars. Like, he wakes up in your marital bed.

• 1:50:48Speaker 02

  Suburban San Diego.

• 1:50:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, he's on your cul-de-sac and he's like, "Everybody, school time!" Or whatever you do. What do you do? Do you have Cocoa Puffs? He would do that.

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  Uh, blueberry waffles with whipped cream.

• 1:50:59Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  And you'd be eating his breakfast.

• 1:51:01Doug DeMuro?

  You'd be eating his breakfast.

• 1:51:02Speaker 02

  It was like oats. He kinda got jacked. Like, he started watching his, not that I watched his body so closely, but like, he's kinda like the Jaguar models. There was like the year ago version and then the this year version. And you're like, "Oh, that's, that's an improvement."

• 1:51:17Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:51:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I would swap with Hoovie, but I don't, I just don't think he, can you imagine him just doing that? Like?

• 1:51:26Doug DeMuro?

  I don't see it hap-

• 1:51:28Speaker 02

  What are we talking about?

• 1:51:29Doug DeMuro?

  Could I imagine Hoovie living a quiet suburban existence for a single day?

• 1:51:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:34Doug DeMuro?

  I can imagine that happening.

• 1:51:37Doug DeMuro?

  He did it before. He lived on his own cul-de-sac with a house that was built yesterday.

• 1:51:40Speaker 02

  True, true.

• 1:51:40Doug DeMuro?

  He's fine. He's totally fine.

• 1:51:43Speaker 02

  He had drywall.

• 1:51:44Doug DeMuro?

  Great drywall.

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  He would like my recent garage sale haul.

• 1:51:49Speaker 03

  Oh, man.

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  I got some good art that you don't appreciate, but I think Hoovie would be on board.

• 1:51:55Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's going to Cars and Coffee the other day and he texts us and he says, "Guys, I stopped. I'm not gonna make it to Cars and Coffee. I stopped because there's an amazing garage sale." And he sent pictures of what he had bought. And there was a painting of like cats riding horseback in Monument Valley.

• 1:52:09Speaker 02

  We bought that.

• 1:52:10Doug DeMuro?

  And I know, Nick. And there was like an end table that was like a monkey holding up a platter. It's like-

• 1:52:18Speaker 02

  The guy also had llamas and he was selling bunnies for $25 each or ducks for 50. And I feel like Hoovie-

• 1:52:26Doug DeMuro?

  Rancho said-

• 1:52:26Speaker 02

  Hoovie would have bought some of this, yeah. Pretty impressed.

• 1:52:28Doug DeMuro?

  Hoovie wouldn't have bought any of this!

• 1:52:30Speaker 02

  We were this close to getting a bunny and my daughter started crying and I had no power against that. Thankfully, my wife held strong and we did not get a bunny.

• 1:52:38Speaker 03

  But she got her cats on horseback instead.

• 1:52:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, cats on horseback. She'll remember the day.

• 1:52:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:43Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Would you trade with Hoovie for a day?

• 1:52:47Speaker 03

  I don't really wanna go to Kansas.

• 1:52:49Doug DeMuro?

  No. It would take a day to get there. That's the other thing. It's a three-day journey.

• 1:52:53Speaker 02

  What if he was in a Scottsdale home? It's an easy drive.

• 1:52:56Speaker 03

  Uh, no.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  How close would he have to be for you to switch lives?

• 1:53:00Speaker 03

  Next door. I'd consider.

• 1:53:05Speaker 02

  What if he let you drive the Nissan Titan in inventory as your loner?

• 1:53:09Speaker 03

  You know what, though? He's got a $39,000 Rolls Royce Ghost, and that does have me interested.

• 1:53:14Doug DeMuro?

  You ever wondered?

• 1:53:16Speaker 02

  You know, I enter all of his fanathem, or phantom, or however you say, giveaways. I like his cars. And I'm like, I just, I'm in, you know?

• 1:53:25Doug DeMuro?

  What are the giveaways for?

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  I think, I think if I win one, he'll invite me over. Is that the giveaway?

• 1:53:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, all right, Nick. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure. Uh, I'm thrilled that you've existed. Sam, thank you for coming on the podcast. Sam's gonna be back in two weeks.

• 1:53:37Speaker 02

  Am I?

• 1:53:38Doug DeMuro?

  We need Sam now. We need Sam and Ryan Lopez to be on a constant-

• 1:53:43Speaker 02

  Can I, can I also be on, um, when Dan's on next? Like, not this one, because I'm busy?

• 1:53:48Speaker 03

  He's looking for some fatherly love.

• 1:53:50Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know when everybody's gonna be here again, but it's been a pleasure.

• 1:53:53Speaker 02

  Maybe Dan and I can do a Sunday video.

• 1:53:56Doug DeMuro?

  Live, yes.

• 1:53:58Speaker 02

  Dan and Nick Unfiltered.

• 1:53:59Doug DeMuro?

  Goodbye, everyone!

• 1:54:00Speaker 02

  Goodbye.

• 1:54:01Speaker 03

  Bye.