Terrence Howard | Club Random with Bill Maher

On this episode, Bill hangs out with actor Terrence Howard for a free-wheeling chat that bounces between Hollywood and big ideas. Terrence speaks about clashing with studios over money, why Empire was both a blessing and a headache, and how an early brush with Richard Dreyfus taught him to fight for every scene. He and Bill riff on environmental junk in our food and air, and Terrence’s belief that music tuned to 432 Hz could reshape everything from space travel to human longevity. Along the way they trade Hendrix trivia, swap stories about celebrity parties and canceled careers, and agree that nailing a close-up still feels like magic. Get 3 months of premium wireless service for 15 bucks a month at https://www.mintmobile.com/random Go to ⁠https://www.skechers.com/clubrandom⁠ or use code Random for 20% off your first pair of Skechers Hands Free Slip-ins Go to https://www.ffrf.us/freedom or text "CLUB" to 511511 and become a member today Follow Club Random on IG: @ClubRandomPodcast Follow Bill on IG: @BillMaher Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: ⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandom⁠ Watch Club Random on YouTube: ⁠https://bit.ly/ClubRandomYouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:27Speaker 04

  I'm not dropping names, I'm just...

• 1:29Bill Maher?

  No, I never drop names. De Niro told me that.

• 1:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:37Speaker 04

  The same thing was happening with Kennedy, and I could be wrong. This is something I'm shaking on.

• 1:42Bill Maher?

  I'm gonna call the flag on this and say you are.

• 1:47Bill Maher?

  Bro? How are you?

• 1:49Speaker 04

  Such a pleasure, man.

• 1:50Bill Maher?

  My pleasure. Thank you for being here.

• 1:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:54Bill Maher?

  Wow, you hold up well.

• 1:56Speaker 04

  You look as you suffered, you know? I don't know how you did that. I'm like...

• 2:02Bill Maher?

  Weed.

• 2:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, well...

• 2:04Bill Maher?

  Weed. Never got married.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  Well, I did that four times.

• 2:09Bill Maher?

  I owe it all to Clean Liquor.

• 2:11Speaker 04

  Ooh, see now, I owe, I owe mine to just sheer defiance. They've wanted me to grow old and die so many times.

• 2:20Bill Maher?

  Who's they?

• 2:21Speaker 04

  The whole system. I've been a troublemaker forever. Try not to be, but.

• 2:27Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 2:28Speaker 04

  I disrupt shit.

• 2:30Bill Maher?

  But that's why we like you. I mean, that's why they like me. You know, and you can't, you know, watch the song. If you ain't got no haters, you ain't poppin'.

• 2:40Speaker 04

  You ain't poppin'. I watched you.

• 2:42Bill Maher?

  I mean, that's been my whole month.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  Dude, I watched you with, um, a friend of mine with, with, with X.

• 2:51Bill Maher?

  Oh, he was just here.

• 2:52Speaker 04

  I know.

• 2:53Bill Maher?

  Alvin?

• 2:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:54Bill Maher?

  I love him.

• 2:55Speaker 04

  He was just here. I was, he was the hardest person that I've ever had to kill. Out of all the people that I've killed and doing this stuff.

• 3:04Bill Maher?

  Sure.

• 3:05Speaker 04

  His, the nature of him, he's such a sweet.

• 3:08Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 3:08Speaker 04

  Home giving kind of person. And then

• 3:14Speaker 04

  they made me kill him on the show.

• 3:16Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 3:16Speaker 04

  I was just like, I don't want to do that.

• 3:18Bill Maher?

  You know, well, I mean, you're an actor. You gotta do, we gotta do what the script says.

• 3:23Speaker 04

  I know. I'm an emotional whore.

• 3:25Bill Maher?

  But, um, no, I love him. And, you know, I, I, I told him, like, when I was fired off of ABC, I needed a, I was on that show for nine years.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  How did they fire you on a show called Politically Incorrect? When you're doing exactly what you're supposed to do.

• 3:41Bill Maher?

  People have been asking that question for 20 years. There is no good answer. But I, you know, the great tribute to him was that I needed to go off the air with something nine years in, and I used his couplet because at the time, he was, he had that big record with Eminem. And, you know, the final line, I, like ashes to ashes, dust to dust. I might leave in a body bag, but never in cups. And that's the way I felt about leaving, uh, ABC. And, you know, I love all his, you know, it's so funny. My friend said to me, rappers, they're all so tough until you hear their real name.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, or until you see them at a puffy party. Then they're not tough no more. I'm surprised that the rap game is still alive after, because the masculinity that the rappers are supposed to portray.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 4:36Bill Maher?

  No. It's I'm not roofieing myself. It's just, it's just, it's a way to have. Jing, I drink it. It's a way to have diet soda without any chemicals. RFK recommends it.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  What happened to him, man?

• 4:52Bill Maher?

  Who?

• 4:52Speaker 04

  RFK.

• 4:53Bill Maher?

  Oh, RFK.

• 4:53Speaker 04

  No, what happened to him? He was such.

• 4:57Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 4:57Speaker 04

  So against MMR vaccine, so against it. And then he gets into the office and I've seen him, I've met him. Did they pull something out on him to make him change his stance or?

• 5:11Bill Maher?

  Well, you know, as Mario Cuomo used to say, you you run for office in poetry, you govern in prose.

• 5:20Bill Maher?

  You know, once you get in, you know, once you are the sheriff, things are a little different. So now he's in office. First of all, just to get confirmed, he probably had to say a few things that he's not completely on the page with. But, you know, he sat here and we talked for a long time. And he said to me at one point, I said something about anti-vaxxer and he said, that's what you think I am? And I said, yeah, I do. And that's coming from someone who's been called an anti-vaxxer a lot. And I'm, you know, it's all how you define this. I don't think I'm an anti-vaxxer. I think vaccines are a great tool that we have. I just don't want everyone you come up with. I want to be able to make that decision for myself.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:05Bill Maher?

  Based on my personal health profile.

• 6:11Bill Maher?

  He is a little more out there, I think, on lots of stuff. I mean, there's lots of stuff where I just can't go with him. But in general, do I think what he is saying as far as environmental toxins? That was the advice I gave him when he sat here because he had been known as an environmental lawyer his whole life. I said, you've got to connect these two things. You're known as a great environmentalist. You're just saying that the pollution is in our bodies from other things. It's not just what's in the air.

• 6:41Speaker 04

  The vaccine.

• 6:41Bill Maher?

  It's, it could be vaccines and not every vaccine, but who knows? In combination with all the other things that are in our body, mercury and fungus and X-rays, how many X-rays have you had? At electromagnetic energy, 50,000 chemicals we didn't have 50 years ago.

• 7:00Bill Maher?

  We don't know what all these factors are, but when he says, "This is probably what's behind most of our health problems," that resonates with me. That's what's different about when I was a kid and the food was just, maybe it wasn't great, Wonder Bread, but most of it was just, it wasn't processed. It was, it was not as polluted as it all is now.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  But it has to be polluted now.

• 7:26Bill Maher?

  What do you mean? Good to see you.

• 7:28Speaker 04

  Good to see you, brother.

• 7:29Bill Maher?

  What do you, what do you mean?

• 7:29Speaker 04

  Well, because-

• 7:30Bill Maher?

  Oh, because the money?

• 7:32Speaker 04

  The, the entire process that they're working on, it's not to build humanity up, I don't see it. It's more so to tear us down. Because think about it, bro.

• 7:43Bill Maher?

  Who are we talking about?

• 7:44Speaker 04

  We're talking about, I'm still talking about the, the government as a whole.

• 7:49Bill Maher?

  Either Democrat or Republican?

• 7:50Speaker 04

  Either Democrat or Republican.

• 7:52Bill Maher?

  Uh huh.

• 7:52Speaker 04

  Because if you go back to, like for me, when the vaccines first was coming out, and I was talking about, not the COVID vaccine, just me dealing with my children about, am I going to the vaccines to give them in school? And I was like, no, I don't want to give them the MMR and all of that because when-

• 8:11Bill Maher?

  They don't need it.

• 8:12Speaker 04

  No, and when we were kids, back in 1969, when I was born, and they gave me the shot, it was, it was delivered with duck embryo DNA. Then in 1970, when they got the abortion clinics, they started using human DNA. Now, the duck embryo DNA would not bond, it would deliver the vaccine, it would deliver the little protein that was necessary, but it didn't have any match to your DNA, so it would be taken out of the body. But the little, because they're using human DNA cells from the abortion clinics.

• 8:51Speaker 04

  Those now bond into ourselves and try to bond with it. That's why we have all this psoriasis now. Did you see that much psoriasis back in the eighties? Back when you were a child, when I was a child, I didn't see.

• 9:02Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, look, I cannot endorse or refute what you just said because I don't know anything about that. I've never, I do know the course when they make a vaccine, they do have to put something that will be the delivery system. It used to be for sure poisonous mercury, the mess, the visceral.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:23Bill Maher?

  Right, okay, so we know that the delivery system can be suspect. I never heard this. I know they, they, they grow usually in eggs, right? So the fact that you're saying ducks.

• 9:34Speaker 04

  They used to grow it in duck embryo, but now, once they started getting all of the, um, the fetuses from the abortion clinics, they started using the DNA from them to, as a delivery system. And that's, our bodies don't like having some foreign thing inside.

• 9:54Bill Maher?

  Well, that, look, again, I can only speak on this. You seem to have read more in depth.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  I had to, I had the kids.

• 10:00Bill Maher?

  Right, than I have. I just speak in general terms and in, in general terms, I agree with that. I, I feel like we, um, are just marching toward this place where we accept more and more of this kind of environmental pollution, even indoor pollution is a thing. People die of indoor pollution. It can be the formaldehyde in the fucking sofa.

• 10:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh, well, the plastic, everything is made from the.

• 10:28Bill Maher?

  It's so much plastic.

• 10:30Speaker 04

  Refined oil, that's what did it. They've been trying to figure out, okay, we have all this waste from the refri, from the refineries. What do we do with it? Well, in the nineteen, early nineteen, tens, nineteen twenties, they called all of the chemists together. It was like, hey, how can we use this? And they end up making all of these things and they turned a lot of our pills and medicine into carbon or methylene based or oil based from all the refineries.

• 10:57Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 10:57Speaker 04

  It's everything.

• 10:58Bill Maher?

  It's also a known fact that when they come up with a drug. Uh, and it doesn't work on one thing, or sometimes because it's like it works too well. In other words, it kills you. They don't throw it away exactly because there that's bad money after good. Okay. What they do is they repurpose it.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  Retroactive.

• 11:19Bill Maher?

  They do that many times. Uh, you know, it doesn't didn't work on cancer. But we got a whole stockroom of it. No, I'm sure it's not quite like that, but it it it is suspicious to me.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Well, what made the cancer go away was the ivermectin, the antiparasitics. All of those things that they were saying, oh, that you give to dogs, things of that nature. Because cancer, I don't believe, and from looking at a cancer, isn't just some deformity that happens to a given cell.

• 11:50Bill Maher?

  Correct.

• 11:50Speaker 04

  Cells have a fight against it because what's funny, what I've noticed with the cancer cells when my mother first died from colon cancer. And I went, we started working with the um, the cancer, the stand up to cancer. And I went to a lot of the labs and I was talking with them. And one of the things that I saw with the cancer cells, it behaves exactly like an embryo. It wraps itself in dopamine. And therefore dopamine is the is the fuel of the body, the gold of the body. So the body starts sending blood vessels to get to this dopamine. It that's the same thing that an embryo does. It wraps itself in dopamine. And so the mother's body sends all these blood vessels to feed it.

• 12:33Speaker 04

  And then it starts controlling the rest and it keeps telling all the other, at the end of every chromosome, there's these telomeres.

• 12:40Bill Maher?

  Telomeres.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 12:42Bill Maher?

  Yes, I take something to repair them.

• 12:45Speaker 04

  Nitric oxide?

• 12:46Bill Maher?

  I don't know. It's it's they've got so, you know, it could be nothing. I could be just wasting my time, but.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  It always work and look at you.

• 12:53Bill Maher?

  Well, maybe that's what it is, the telomeres. But the telomeres, right, I mean, as I understand it, as a silly layman. It is just, yes, the the sort of like the frayed end of the cell. And you, you know, of course, we keep replicating ourselves. So if you could repair that end, the next time it replicated itself, it wouldn't come out like. Worse, because that's what aging is. We are all slightly worse. But we should add, we, before we go on, I guess how to say, ivermectin does not cure cancer.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  No.

• 13:22Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  But it has, but the A for ivermectin, when it was first started with the A, that A meant anti, and then, and, and, and meckin was worms. It kills worms. And so the parasites associated with it, it's, it's, it's a retroactive drug that's being used.

• 13:41Bill Maher?

  The, the fact that it was demonized by the left is one of the things that I would say, I could come up with a larger list of things that, you know, when people are like, oh, you know, why aren't you just all on our team? It's like, because your team does some shitty stuff too, not nearly as much as the right. But you, you do some shitty stuff too. And, and pretending that ivermectin was somehow evil. It wasn't evil. It, it won the Nobel Prize in 2015. It's, they say it cured probably more people. Um, except penicillin. Okay. Like, was it crazy to think it could work on COVID?

• 14:22Bill Maher?

  And look, the, the truth is probably in the middle somewhere, which is that for some people, yes. It probably has properties that mix, because again, we're all individuals. If one size fits all, medical treatment bugs me. So like, could it work for, yeah, I, I've certainly heard from people.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  They call it, in Africa, they call it, um, um, Sunday morning medicine. Because everybody on Sunday would pop it again, would pop it again. But it has such a terrible effect on the liver. It, it still tears down the liver.

• 14:58Bill Maher?

  Well, most, most medicines do. So does, so does aspirin.

• 15:02Speaker 04

  Oil of oregano. What do you do when you get a cold?

• 15:05Bill Maher?

  Boy, does that hurt your liver?

• 15:06Speaker 04

  No.

• 15:07Bill Maher?

  No, right.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  Oil of oregano is anti-candid, anti-its.

• 15:11Bill Maher?

  No, whenever, when I'm feeling a cold, now, this is not how I was when I was young and didn't know, but at a certain point, I got hip to some of the more natural cures. And, yeah, when I start to get a cold, I don't take Tamiflu and that pharmaceutical shit. Oil of oregano.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  Neosmid, do you put it in the Neosmid? That.

• 15:32Bill Maher?

  Chlorophyll.

• 15:34Speaker 04

  Oh, you do that?

• 15:34Bill Maher?

  Raw garlic.

• 15:36Speaker 04

  Raw garlic.

• 15:36Bill Maher?

  You know, like, I'm not talking about a garlic pill. I'm talking about you take the garlic.

• 15:40Speaker 04

  And chew it.

• 15:41Bill Maher?

  Well, I can't do that, but I can, like, ground it up and, and throw it down my throat like a pill.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  Cranberry juice, right next to it. No, I'm telling you, the garlic that, that's burning, the bitterness of that cranberry, cuts it, cuts it right away, and you'll still feel bitter.

• 15:56Bill Maher?

  We'll be back with Cooking with Terrence and Bill.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  I'm just trying to say, I want to be like you.

• 16:03Bill Maher?

  I want to be on a cooking show with you.

• 16:05Speaker 04

  I know, I'm, I'm about, my wife does all the cooking. I don't cook no more. I used to cook.

• 16:10Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 16:10Speaker 04

  But she, it's like when Jimi Hendrix, when the Beatles, when Eric Clapton supposedly saw Jimi Hendrix playing, and he took his guitar and he put it on the stage.

• 16:20Bill Maher?

  I'm sure he did, yeah.

• 16:21Speaker 04

  When I saw my wife cook, I stopped cooking. And I haven't cooked in 12 years because, I mean, she's, you'll meet her, she's perfect. She's not my wife, I mean, my ex-wife, but she's my one. We got divorced two years into marriage. Because they, they were coming after her money.

• 16:42Bill Maher?

  Oh, I see.

• 16:42Speaker 04

  Because she.

• 16:43Bill Maher?

  But you're together, but not formally married.

• 16:45Speaker 04

  We're, we're, we're soul-connected.

• 16:46Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 16:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:47Bill Maher?

  And you were married?

• 16:48Speaker 04

  We were married, and so we got.

• 16:50Bill Maher?

  But then you had such a bad fight, it wound up in a divorce.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 16:53Bill Maher?

  Oh, no, that was just for money?

• 16:54Speaker 04

  It was money.

• 16:55Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 16:55Speaker 04

  My ex-wives were coming after, you know, IRS did a six-year investigation on me for no reason. For no reason, I thought. But it was right after I started filing the patents, and then after doing the six-year thorough investigation, making sure that I was kicked out of all the banking, you know, um, all of the, uh, the huge banks all sent me back my money. And I was like, what is this about? And at the end of six years, you know what they said, they was like, um, well, you know, we haven't got everything we want, but we could continue this, or we could. If you plead guilty to a fraud misdemeanor, we'll let everything go. I was like, no, let's take this to court. Let's put this in front of a peer, a jury of my peers,

• 17:40Speaker 04

  and let's see how you behave with me. Then they walked away and then they brought something back later. But it was all because of challenging this status quo in the way that I have. I mean, I'm gonna show you something.

• 17:54Bill Maher?

  But it feels good, doesn't it?

• 17:56Speaker 04

  It feels freaking great. I got suspended 15 times every year. Every 15 times a year, all through elementary. Got expelled four times, always for insubordination. Always for insubordination because I would ask the question, why? Why? Why is this? What? And they would sit up and say, because. And it's like, no, don't.

• 18:18Bill Maher?

  But you know, you can't have both things because you kind of are both things, you know? Like, you can't have an easy life if you also are special. You know what I mean? I mean, you're a very charismatic guy. You got tons of talent. I mean, you look great. I mean, like, your whole life, it's hard for you to stay out of trouble because you're the kind of guy, I mean, chicks must be on you like ants to a melting Hershey bar. Seriously.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  They used to, but the funny thing, I never slept with any of the girls in Hollywood.

• 18:53Bill Maher?

  Oh, come on.

• 18:54Speaker 04

  I swear. I dated Naomi. I've dated a ton of people and they were all, sit up, Marla Gaye's daughter. They were all sit up and say, because I was Jehovah's Witness at the time. So I would go out with them, but I didn't want, you know, I would lay down with them, but.

• 19:12Bill Maher?

  That is, I mean.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  And that's 30 years into the business because my grandmother, Minnie Gentry, told me, you don't shit where you eat.

• 19:21Bill Maher?

  Look, I have so much to say about that, but I can't bury the lead.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Now, I have.

• 19:26Bill Maher?

  I can't bury the lead. Religion is stupid and makes people do stupid things. That's the lead story for that one.

• 19:33Speaker 04

  That is.

• 19:34Bill Maher?

  Because to like, to like...

• 19:35Speaker 04

  I passed up on a lot of stuff because...

• 19:37Bill Maher?

  Give up great pussy because, I don't know, Jehovah's watching is just, I can't. I can't go there with you.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  It was his angels watching, but I...

• 19:45Bill Maher?

  But you're over that?

• 19:46Speaker 04

  No, and I had a particular taste. I mean, I'm over the religion stuff.

• 19:51Bill Maher?

  Yeah, great.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  But there was something particular I was looking for in the spirit of a woman. I didn't care.

• 19:57Bill Maher?

  That's different.

• 19:57Speaker 04

  The beauty was great.

• 19:58Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  But it's like, I'm not just trying to...

• 20:00Bill Maher?

  Well, that's, that's, no, that's profound and that's deep. But if it's, if it's because of God, I can't quite respect that. But if it's because you really don't want to have sex until you feel something, that I respect a lot.

• 20:14Speaker 04

  No, and it was not feeling love. It's not feeling love.

• 20:17Bill Maher?

  No, but something, look...

• 20:19Speaker 04

  It's gotta be a cosmic connection. There's gotta be something bigger that's like, this has had, this has to happen. Because there's so much trouble that you get in from it.

• 21:27Bill Maher?

  The biggest change I would say in my life decade to decade is that in the earlier decades of adulthood, I gave no consideration to basically what a very good-looking woman was like. I mean, I couldn't steel myself to whatever she was if she was very good-looking and I wanted to have sexual intercourse with her. At a certain point, that goes away, and they at least have to be someone who you also would want to have lunch with, or you know, can talk to before the sex happens, you know, this kind of thing. That's not quite spiritual, but to me, it was progress. Now, maybe someday, I'll have to be like, well, she's got to be on the same page with God, is me.

• 22:08Speaker 04

  It's not, it was, there was always some silent conversation, like my wife, Mira, my one. I met her on October 3rd, October 3rd, 2013. We got married October 26, 2013. Because when I, when she came in.

• 22:28Bill Maher?

  Work.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  Three weeks later, this is the one that I've been with for 12 years. When she came in, I literally, that whole thunderstruck that you talk about, we were having a conversation eye to eye without speaking, and she was sitting with another gentleman at a table, having, having lunch. And she made it clear, without saying a word to me, that she, that I knew eternity. I knew I'd been around for thousands of lifetimes, because when I saw her, the moment I saw her, everything, I, I realized I'd been looking for her for a thousand lifetimes and didn't even know. And that's the connection that it was, and best sex in the world, it was everything that

• 23:14Speaker 04

  I could imagine. And then, and at the time, I was, I had just been accused of domestic violence from my wife, Michelle. I had, I had been, I was done with everything. I mean, I was kicked out of Hollywood for the most part. I was, I was canceled.

• 23:31Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  I owed $500,000 from my patent attorney, $400,000 to my divorce attorney. She went and covered everything. But it was that connection that we had.

• 23:44Bill Maher?

  She, I fucked you then had money.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  She, yes.

• 23:47Bill Maher?

  I see what you're saying.

• 23:49Speaker 04

  And she cooks like crazy and she.

• 23:52Bill Maher?

  And a cook, oh.

• 23:53Speaker 04

  And stood next to me, this beautiful woman stood next to me when everybody was calling me a wife beater and made it possible for me to do the job on Empire.

• 24:02Bill Maher?

  Has she got a sister?

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Yes, she does.

• 24:07Bill Maher?

  Well, I'm so happy that you're happy. I mean, that's great that you found the one. I mean, that's what everybody's looking for in the big Easter egg hunt of life, to find that egg in the grass. You know, just the right one, so.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  She didn't look at me crazy when I first started talking about one times one equal two. And I wasn't talking about one times one doesn't equal one.

• 24:27Bill Maher?

  I read about that.

• 24:28Speaker 04

  In linear math, you still can use the one times one equaling one for things laid out. But if you're talking, if you're trying to measure this room or measure some space. But if you're talking about fluid flow, gas flow, water flow, all of that has to be measured through volumetrically. So that's where the.

• 24:49Bill Maher?

  I read, I mean, I read your shit on this. And then I know Neil deGrasse Tyson.

• 24:55Speaker 04

  Tried to shit on this.

• 24:56Bill Maher?

  Well, he sure did.

• 24:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, but now what does he say?

• 25:00Bill Maher?

  I don't know. I just, I don't even know the particulars that much. I just know there was a feud a little bit.

• 25:06Speaker 04

  I gave him my stuff.

• 25:07Bill Maher?

  But all I have to say is, I don't know this specifics. I know what you're saying is either way smarter than I am or way dumber. I don't know which one it is.

• 25:20Speaker 04

  You never looked at it like an action times an action not having a reaction. For one times one to equal one. And that's what I asked Eric Weinstein on the show. I was like, show me one place in natural phenomenon where an action times an action doesn't have a reaction. And I will say one times one equals one.

• 25:38Bill Maher?

  Oh, I see. Yeah, well, but one plus one equals two.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. And what is it, what is multiplication but exaggerated addition?

• 25:47Bill Maher?

  Does this have anything to do with October 3rd?

• 25:49Speaker 04

  No.

• 25:49Bill Maher?

  Oh, okay.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  No, no, you know what I'm saying.

• 25:52Bill Maher?

  No, but like people think numbers, I used to think that, I gotta admit. There was 20 years of my younger life when I was like, I paid a lot of energy to like numbers, like dates. And like, you know, saw some like meaning in that.

• 26:04Speaker 04

  I'm not.

• 26:07Bill Maher?

  Maybe I got off the train too early.

• 26:09Speaker 04

  No, you didn't get off the train because you're still drawn to it. You still see eleven eleven on the on the on the clock and you stop for a moment. You still see twelve thirty four and you're like, hey. It it something about it grabs you, even when I see nine, anytime I see nine.

• 26:22Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you know what? I I once had a cut on my head and they shaved it and there was a six six six. Is that significant?

• 26:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, because it's not the devil's number.

• 26:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, what is it?

• 26:34Speaker 04

  What they were trying to do, no, they were chasing.

• 26:36Bill Maher?

  It's a three one oh, I hope.

• 26:37Speaker 04

  No, they were chasing you from the truth. Because six six six. Six times six times six ends up being two hundred and six, two hundred, two hundred and sixteen. Two hundred and sixteen is the key of C or key of A. Four hundred and thirty two, you double that.

• 26:52Bill Maher?

  Wait, wait. Two sixteen is the what?

• 26:55Speaker 04

  Six six six, if you do six times six.

• 26:57Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I got that part.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  Six times six is thirty six.

• 26:59Bill Maher?

  I get it. Two sixteen.

• 27:01Speaker 04

  Two sixteen.

• 27:02Bill Maher?

  Is the what?

• 27:02Speaker 04

  Is is is the key of A, which is.

• 27:06Bill Maher?

  What does that mean, the key of A?

• 27:07Speaker 04

  The key of A, the tone of A.

• 27:09Bill Maher?

  What is?

• 27:10Speaker 04

  The tone of A, the.

• 27:11Bill Maher?

  Tones have a number?

• 27:13Speaker 04

  Yes, the the frequency of it, four hundred and thirty two. It's.

• 27:18Bill Maher?

  Oh, I see.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Four hundred and thirty two hertz, instead of them doing four forty.

• 27:21Bill Maher?

  I've seen that four thirty two hertz.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Four thirty, once the Beatles.

• 27:25Bill Maher?

  Four thirty three kills you.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Well, the Beatles went to, Jimi Hendrix used to spend every day, all, spend hours trying to tune his guitar at four thirty two, that's why people would be so pissed off at him. It's like, just tune the damn thing regular, no, he needed it at four thirty two. When the Beatles went to India, they tuned their instruments when they got back all to four thirty two and remastered all of their stuff because four thirty two is the is the common factor of the universal tone. That's the sound of our earth. The sun is eight hundred and sixty four thousand compared to the earth at four with its four thirty two. The moon is at two sixteen. All of these numbers tie into astronomical things.

• 28:08Bill Maher?

  So.

• 28:08Speaker 04

  So they're important.

• 28:10Bill Maher?

  Okay. So when the Beatles got back from India? They remastered all their records.

• 28:15Speaker 04

  They remastered their records.

• 28:17Bill Maher?

  They personally went into the studio and did that.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  From what, if you go to a site, there's a site called um four thirty two sacred music of the spheres on Google. And they'll have a heartbeat there and it goes through this entire system of what Jimi Hendrix did, why forty three, four thirty two is important. What it means, what did the Beatles do with it and all the other individuals like Prince turned his stuff to four thirty two.

• 28:43Bill Maher?

  Do you know the connection the Beatles have with Jimi Hendrix?

• 28:47Speaker 04

  No.

• 28:47Bill Maher?

  Sergeant Pepper. That album. You know it, you love it, you hate it, you.

• 28:55Speaker 04

  I love that album.

• 28:55Bill Maher?

  Okay, good.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  Sergeant Pepper.

• 28:57Bill Maher?

  Yeah, it's great.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  The walrus.

• 28:59Bill Maher?

  No, that's not, that's not.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  That's not on that, what do you say that's a yellow submarine?

• 29:03Bill Maher?

  No, that's Magical Mystery Tour.

• 29:07Bill Maher?

  But listen.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  I've been debunked.

• 29:10Bill Maher?

  Yeah. On, on the Beatles, yes. Uh, so Sergeant Pepper came out like I think in June of nineteen sixty seven and Jimi Hendrix was in London. And the day the album came out, he learned

• 29:26Bill Maher?

  the title song and played it that night with Paul McCartney in the audience. At the, at a club he was playing at. That, it came out that day and he played it that night.

• 29:40Bill Maher?

  That's a motherfucker, huh?

• 29:41Speaker 04

  No, there's only, they're running three chords, four chords shuffle. It's not the hardest thing to do. It's not when you're, not when you're, but to, to go and stylize on.

• 29:53Bill Maher?

  I wouldn't say all the Beatles songs were just three chord shuffles. That's not true.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  No, but back then, back then, most of their pop stuff that they were jumping out with had that three, four chord shuffle. And they'll slightly make a change.

• 30:07Bill Maher?

  Not later, not the later stuff. And this was the, and this is the beginning of their later period.

• 30:12Speaker 04

  Oh, you're talking, I thought you were talking about at the very beginning of their stuff when they're coming out.

• 30:16Bill Maher?

  This is, no, they had their early sound, which you're right, was more simple. I have way less of that like in my iPod because. You know, some of it is just, first of all, the lyrics are for twelve year olds in nineteen sixty six. This is not interesting stuff to me. Um, but the songs have great energy and some of them are just timeless and they're awesome. Um, but they're, they, you know, really started to grow when they got off the road. Revolver is nineteen sixty six, that's like Eleanor Rigby. Sergeant Pepper is the next year, then comes. The Magical Mystery Tour with your Warwick song, then the White Album. Then Abbey Road, then Let It Be, or actually Let It Be, then Abbey Road. So like that's all second half of their career.

• 31:01Bill Maher?

  It was way beyond three chord shuffles, you know, that's why they, that they were so great in that era.

• 31:06Speaker 04

  Well, one of the things that the Beatles did in their change. Like my favorite song from them when I was a child, the first time I knew the Beatles was that song Help.

• 31:17Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 31:17Speaker 04

  I need some, I was, I was eight years old, living on Kingsley Boulevard between Sunset and Hollywood. Had no money.

• 31:25Bill Maher?

  You were where?

• 31:26Speaker 04

  Kingsley Boulevard.

• 31:27Bill Maher?

  No, I got it. That's where you live?

• 31:30Speaker 04

  Have a shop? Yeah, on Kingsley, I used to live there, had no money, you know, um. Mother was doing everything she could, and then half the time. I would spend the summers and holidays in New York at Manhattan Plaza.

• 31:45Bill Maher?

  With who?

• 31:46Speaker 04

  My grandmother, Lenny Gentry. Lived in Manhattan Plaza and that's where Giancarlo Esposito, he was my coach. He was the first person.

• 31:54Bill Maher?

  Manhattan Plaza, we're all like the actors, right? Yeah, it was, it was like rent subsidized for, for artists.

• 32:01Speaker 04

  Artists. Oh, because remember they had every, all the, half these artists would, would be on Broadway, but they couldn't get down there, so there was those.

• 32:10Bill Maher?

  I know a comic who lived in that building because. He got that dispensation, yeah.

• 32:16Speaker 04

  He still has it, does he still have?

• 32:17Bill Maher?

  No, he's very rich now.

• 32:21Bill Maher?

  No, he doesn't need it now, but.

• 32:24Speaker 04

  David, Larry David.

• 32:25Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that's it.

• 32:26Speaker 04

  Larry David, cause he was.

• 32:28Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 32:29Speaker 04

  I used to hang out, I used to run into his apartment and hang out with him. And I hadn't seen him for like thirty years.

• 32:35Bill Maher?

  Is that right?

• 32:36Speaker 04

  Yes, and then he saw me, because then the guy that, Kenny Kramer, the real Kenny Kramer.

• 32:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  I used to date his daughter, Melanie.

• 32:42Bill Maher?

  Oh, see? I'm telling you, when you look like you, Taryn, you're just gonna attract.

• 32:48Speaker 04

  You were sixteen.

• 32:49Bill Maher?

  I know, but it's just, it's just an ongoing thing that's gonna happen.

• 32:56Speaker 01

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• 33:01Speaker 06

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• 33:03Speaker 01

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• 33:09Speaker 00

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• 33:10Speaker 01

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• 34:21Bill Maher?

  But, but it's so good that you're in such a happy place because like, you know, with your woman, because, you know, that is, you know, when you don't have that, you're, you're just always thinking about getting it. I'll just put it that way. And, and it's a, you know. Yeah, it can be, uh, it can be a lot when that's what you're always, every time you leave the house.

• 34:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, but see, you have the hope right now. You could bump into someone gorgeous that.

• 34:50Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  But then you've got to see, do they want you for your money or do they want you for?

• 34:55Bill Maher?

  It's, it's, it's so easy. Um, I mean, first of all, that's not even my situation. I'm, I'm super happy the way I am.

• 35:03Speaker 04

  You don't dream of falling in love?

• 35:05Bill Maher?

  I am in love.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 35:10Speaker 04

  Killed it, I did.

• 35:11Bill Maher?

  But, uh, but, uh, like, I just remember younger years, there was not a time when I left the house where it wasn't on my mind. I'm talking about my twenties, you know, maybe the thirties sometimes if I wasn't with somebody and like, it's just exhausting. Like, I'm going to the mall. Does this belt look good? It's like, I go, yeah, that's gonna make a difference between you like getting, meeting somebody at the mall and then what? Getting laid and living happily ever after. It's all in the belt.

• 35:41Speaker 04

  If you have your belt on and you have six inches of that belt hanging off of you.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  Everybody's primo. We're still ninety-eight point seven percent Simeon. There's only one point three percent differentiation between us and them. And that one point three percent we call human and we have to abide by that. But ninety-eight point seven percent of us is still trying to be that gorilla ape. That's who we are.

• 36:11Bill Maher?

  We are.

• 36:12Speaker 04

  So how are they locking people up for killing someone that's sleeping with their wife when ninety-eight percent of them? Is that what, you can't do that to the chimpanzees. All males fight over women in every species.

• 36:27Bill Maher?

  I know, but again, it's gonna be harder in your life because. Married chicks are still gonna like, look at you and go.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  On their pass.

• 36:36Bill Maher?

  Yes, correct.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. And you too, you still get it, so.

• 36:41Bill Maher?

  Oh, please, please, this is not a fair fight.

• 36:44Speaker 04

  No, cause see me, they see the genetic coincidence of symmetry.

• 36:48Bill Maher?

  I, you know what? I'm happy with my lot in life because if you look like you, it is more trouble too. Like, I don't have a lot of trouble, you know? I'm pretty clean, no marriages, no convictions, never caught my toe caught in the trap. It doesn't mean I haven't been happy. Not always, but you know, it's just, um. Yeah, I mean, it can be a kind of a burden being too popular.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, my whole goal now is to disappear from that side of it. Because I kept doing the acting and I kept thinking, one day this is.

• 37:25Bill Maher?

  Well, you're not stopping, are you?

• 37:26Speaker 04

  I got to, dude.

• 37:27Bill Maher?

  Acting?

• 37:28Speaker 04

  I got to, I got to.

• 37:29Bill Maher?

  No, you don't.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  I got to.

• 37:31Bill Maher?

  It's a, that's a bad idea.

• 37:32Speaker 04

  I tried, I've tried to go.

• 37:34Bill Maher?

  May I just say, as a friend who I don't know you well, but I like you already, I always liked you. I always, you were just that guy, that, that leading man guy. Who was like, well, I could never be that, but he's just so cool. I can't be jealous of it. I just, you know, I just was born different. But he's, if I, if I could, I'd be like that. That's the kind of guy, if I was gonna be that kind of guy. But like, I don't know, I forgot what I was gonna say.

• 37:58Speaker 04

  Cause we were talking about whether stopping, I had a conversation.

• 38:01Bill Maher?

  Oh yeah, but, so I just think you should not stop acting. You're good at it, we wanna see you, the audience is still there. You're just in the, you still look good and you're at the prime of like, you've acted long enough, like, who are the best actors in the world? They're always people like in their fifties and sixties. They just act on a whole different level. Where not acting, you know, they finally, like, it becomes just so natural.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  You start hiding from the camera.

• 38:24Bill Maher?

  Don't, don't deprive.

• 38:25Speaker 04

  Chasing the camera.

• 38:26Bill Maher?

  Yeah, don't deprive us of that era.

• 38:28Speaker 04

  Chitlin' Stalk it now, they, they stuck, after I sued.

• 38:30Bill Maher?

  What, what does that mean?

• 38:31Speaker 04

  The Chitlin'.

• 38:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know what it really is, but what's it for you?

• 38:34Speaker 04

  That's, that's, no studio movies, no, you know, no, um.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  Uh, big television stuff, everything is on the outs, cause why? Because you don't fuck with the mouse, I fucked with the mouse. You know, I sued the mouse, I sued Fox, I sued. And I'm suing C A A right now. It's just, but it's about my money. Somebody take three hundred million dollars from you, you're like, dude.

• 39:01Bill Maher?

  Hey, you know what?

• 39:02Speaker 04

  You gotta go for it.

• 39:03Bill Maher?

  I know, but if you have this reputation as run around sue.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  Not, not, not at first.

• 39:09Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  Not at first.

• 39:10Bill Maher?

  That, you know, it's one thing to fight with them or name call. Once you start with the suing, they kind of take it personally. And it is, it's, you know, it gets too close to the money. But it's still not insurmountable. What this country loves more than anything else is a redemption story. There has to be every script, you know, whether it's a, a action movie or a romantic comedy. There has to be, you know, like, uh, uh, uh, you know, it can't just be this, this is boring. You know, the hero rises and then shit happens or and then they break up and like, you lied to me. It's always some contrived thing in the romantic comedies and then, you know, he chases her back to the airport

• 39:52Bill Maher?

  or whatever, the world doesn't blow up and, you know, you have to have that. So, yeah, I get where you are, but, you know, it's gonna go to the other place. Because it just, it, it does, that's the story America loves and they just like you. You know, when they like you, they just, they find a way to forgive. I mean, Charlie Sheen, I keep, wanna pick on him, but like, this guy has done so much shit that's worse than anybody else and he's still just, oh, that's.

• 40:20Speaker 04

  Cause he's got a great smile.

• 40:21Bill Maher?

  And, yeah, and he's just.

• 40:22Speaker 04

  Gregarious.

• 40:23Bill Maher?

  He's a scamp, Charlie, you know, what, hey.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  He's like Cuba Gooding Jr. He, no matter what Cuba is going through, you'll see him out at a club, smiling, living life. Nothing's bothering him. Nothing's bothering him. He never lets it get to him. And me and him talk all the time because people always confuse him for me and me for him. And so anytime somebody will ask him for an autograph and say. Terrence, can you give me an autograph? He'll call me on the phone and be like, Terrence, this guy wants an autograph. Should I give him one? Should I give him something? So we talk, but I thought with the stuff he went through that he would, he would just go away and it's like, no. No, he's made of something stronger than that. He's a, you know, a piece of coal is,

• 41:08Speaker 04

  a diamond is just a piece of coal that did well under pressure. All of them don't do well under pressure.

• 41:14Bill Maher?

  That's right.

• 41:14Speaker 04

  He's done well. You've done well under pressure. They've tried to kick us out.

• 41:18Bill Maher?

  Oh, yes.

• 41:19Speaker 04

  You, you, I'm not, I'm not going anywhere. So you kick me out of that side. Well, now let's talk about the science. Let's, let's walk through that for a little bit. Let's walk through the math. Let's walk through your geometry. Let's walk through your fundamentals.

• 41:32Bill Maher?

  What did Cuba do? I don't remember. I remember he was in trouble. Was it real? Was it real? Was it?

• 41:37Speaker 04

  It can be that real because they, they accused him of fondling or touching someone at a bar.

• 41:43Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  At a bar and then they accused him of touching some, some, some dude.

• 41:48Bill Maher?

  It sounded like he.

• 41:49Speaker 04

  I'm like, dude, that's not Cuba. He wouldn't, I can't imagine Cuba touching some man. No.

• 41:54Bill Maher?

  A man?

• 41:55Speaker 04

  A man, yeah.

• 41:56Bill Maher?

  What is it? You know, what is it with all the man, on man action that I'm learning about? I mean, like with the puffy parties. Like the last thing I ever thought that went on there was, was gay stuff. Not that gay stuff was wrong. It's wonderful. I just did not think that's what was puffy was doing.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I didn't think it either. And even when my assistant said that stuff, I still was like joking it off. And it wasn't until later on that I heard other things from people that worked from him. You know, you, you remember that, um, back in the times of slavery, they had a thing called breaking the buck? Where they would take, um, not to go in a bad place, but this is how I see what's, what's happening, the correlates, parallels with what's happening with correlates what's happening in the business. Um, if they, back in the times of slavery, if they had like a, some twelve year old slave that had, that was just full of himself and confident and, you know, wasn't listening. They would wrap, tie him to a log or a barrel.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  And a bunch of the overseers would rape him.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  To where, when he walked around with the slaves now, he didn't have the confidence.

• 43:12Bill Maher?

  Sure.

• 43:13Speaker 04

  His whole, he was broken. And it was called breaking the buck.

• 43:17Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  And that's still taking place. And so to hear that people in the industry are still making young rappers, who has come, have fought the worst of circumstances, being disenfranchised, being discounted. And then they find like, I'm gonna put it into the music. I'm gonna do it in the music. I'm gonna, you know, and get myself together. And they go and see someone and they tell them, okay, yeah, you can have a deal. You know, perform fellatio on me. And you get your deal. That was what I heard while I was on Empire, about some of the people in the business. And Petey Pablo, you remember Petey Pablo?

• 43:55Bill Maher?

  I know who that is.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  Petey Pablo, talented writer, singer. Him and Young Buck wrote a song called Ho It's Own. And in that song, back in nineteen, about twenty eleven, or twenty nine or something,

• 44:12Speaker 04

  because he called out all of the homosexuality taking place at those parties and those people, he was kicked out of the music business. No radio station would play his stuff. So you look for Petey Pablo, he's not around anymore. But that song, Ho It's Own, they did not care. They went all in on it.

• 44:31Bill Maher?

  Look, this is a country of snitches and bitches. And when they want to just disappear you, not to get off on a tangent about how Trump is like literally doing that to people now.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  I was, I was all in his corner. And that, that right there, that hit me. I was like, dude.

• 44:48Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 44:49Speaker 04

  You can't do that to somebody's family.

• 44:51Bill Maher?

  No.

• 44:51Speaker 04

  Cannot do that. Bring them home.

• 44:53Bill Maher?

  Well, you just, you just can't send American citizens or even...

• 44:57Speaker 04

  Out of the country.

• 44:58Bill Maher?

  Out of the, to a, right to a prison and not just a prison, a gulag. But what I was gonna say is like, the, the snitches and bitches characterization of this nation in this psychological moment in our life, I think. Sometimes it seems like it's all it is, that everybody just wants to fight all the time and bitch, they will just find something to bitch about and hate. And, and if they can take any one or two pieces of information and plausibly put it together in a way that will cancel you, they will do it. They don't care about the truth, they care about a scalp on their wall that they can get, somebody, and it happens from the left and it happens from the right, and they just

• 45:43Bill Maher?

  look for that moment. So like, I, I feel like I've been swimming in a sea of sharks for thirty-two years, is when I, how long I've been on between the two shows. And every day, I feel like I'm swimming among the sharks, and so far, they haven't pulled me down.

• 46:02Speaker 04

  I've been nipped a couple times.

• 46:04Bill Maher?

  And yours? Yes, I have too. But, um, and look, I'm not gonna lie, after the first cancellation, you went into my office, you were like, "When are you gonna start to decorate it?" And I'm like, "I don't decorate my office because I feel like any minute I might have to bug out of it." And we, it could happen overnight, where literally, you know what? Don't worry about getting any shit from my office, I didn't keep anything there, I never thought it was permanent to begin with. That's not a bad attitude to have.

• 46:35Speaker 04

  How many times you've been fired in your career?

• 46:38Bill Maher?

  Well...

• 46:39Speaker 04

  All around, whether clubs or whatever.

• 46:41Bill Maher?

  Oh, clubs.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  How many...

• 46:43Bill Maher?

  Well, the early days, not just clubs, but berated as to how man you were as a comedian, and how much you made the paying customers leave. I've had that lecture. I was once, I was once, I did a gig in Cleveland in like nineteen eighty, I was too early in the business, like one year, to even be doing a headliner gig. It was so terrible, and the next day, and I got that lecture after the show, like, you not only are terrible, but you made people leave, and probably not like this place in the future, like. And then the next day, I got snowed in for twelve hours, I sat at the airport, and I felt like everybody in the airport was looking, going, "Oh, there's that asshole."

• 47:26Speaker 04

  What did you do that night that...

• 47:29Bill Maher?

  Well, I was.

• 47:30Speaker 04

  You think did it?

• 47:30Bill Maher?

  I I would do jokes. I mean, first of all, I did not have enough of material, enough of an act to do an hour. And when it didn't go over, I I reacted badly. Instead of reacting humbly, I would like lash out at the audience. It was all so emotional. You didn't like my joke? Well, fuck you. I guess it's you. You're bad, not me. And that's what a young twenty-four-year-old comic does to to really fuck up a night for everybody.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  My, I got, I've been fired at least eight times off of jobs. And then I look at actors that's never been fired. And I'm like, wow, you've never taken a chance. And you've never stood your ground. They're the first ones to say, oh, I'll do it. I can do it.

• 48:18Bill Maher?

  The first thing I ever saw you in was Mr. Holland's anus.

• 48:23Speaker 04

  Mr. Holland's anus, opus?

• 48:26Bill Maher?

  Well, I saw the porn version.

• 48:31Bill Maher?

  Oh, good. I got him to cough laugh.

• 48:33Speaker 04

  Oh, no, I was thinking about the.

• 48:34Bill Maher?

  No, I'm kidding. Yeah, Mr. Holland's open.

• 48:37Speaker 04

  Opus. Yeah, I was so green at that moment. I was twenty-five.

• 48:42Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but I saw you. I remember I saw Angelina Jolie the first time in this TV movie about George Wallace, the southern racist governor, and his wife. He married Miss Alabama. And then she became the governor when he was term limited or something. And Angelina Jolie played that part. And I said, the first time, I mean, she was, I'd never seen her before. And I said, that's gonna be a star. And I said the same thing about you and Mr. Holland's anus.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was so.

• 49:16Bill Maher?

  But you can just tell. Somebody just is born.

• 49:19Speaker 04

  I wasn't in Mr. Holland's anus, though. I was in Mr. Holland's opus.

• 49:25Bill Maher?

  Well, that's not what I've heard.

• 49:26Speaker 04

  But Richard, Richard Draper's taught me the best lesson in that in that thing. And I think it really made my career. Because we were doing this scene, and we're basically sitting across from each other like this. And I'm having the drumsticks, and I'm trying to pound it. And he's supposed to reach over and grab the drums in the middle of it. And so I'm trying to lean over so he don't have to reach. And he said, cut, stop, stop. Don't you ever do that shit again. And I was like, what? And he said, don't you ever let me take a scene from you.

• 49:59Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  I like you, but I will not let you take a frame from me. And don't you let me take a frame from you. You fight for it to the death. There's only one person is gonna walk away with this frame.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  So don't make it easy for me. That's what he was saying. And from that moment onward, every ring I got into, when I go on the floor, I'm, I want to decimate the person I'm with. Not in the fact of make them look bad.

• 50:31Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 50:31Speaker 04

  But I want them to not need their lines. I want you to be so caught up in what we're doing that you don't even need to say what you have to say.

• 50:39Bill Maher?

  It's working on me right now. You're getting the, I mean, cut, cut. I don't need a second take on that one. That is

• 50:50Bill Maher?

  riveting shit.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  He taught me that on that movie and it changed the course of, of, of my career.

• 50:57Bill Maher?

  Wow. Well, Richard Grefus has been here too.

• 51:01Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 51:01Bill Maher?

  Not in that position.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. He's gone through it.

• 51:06Bill Maher?

  Well, no, he just took a Vicodin that day and was like horizontal in the chair. And it's, I mean, a lot of people have Googled it. But I, look, I like him so much.

• 51:17Speaker 04

  But isn't that what you're supposed to do here?

• 51:19Bill Maher?

  I think so.

• 51:21Speaker 04

  I'm waiting for you to pull out the joint. I mean,

• 51:23Bill Maher?

  Oh, I'm sorry.

• 51:24Speaker 04

  I done smoked up with, I smoked with.

• 51:26Bill Maher?

  You know what? I got, I got.

• 51:28Speaker 04

  With everyone.

• 51:29Bill Maher?

  You know what? People give me bad information and people protect people. And you're not the first one here who I was told like, don't tempt him. And I'm like, you're with me. I'm a tempter. I'm a, I'm a bad influence. We're at Club Random. This, this is known to be a place.

• 51:49Speaker 04

  This is, this is a man card moment. Like smoking with Snoop, like I still wanna smoke with, with Willie. I still haven't done that, but.

• 51:58Bill Maher?

  Hurry.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  But, but, but with Woody, Woody Harrelson.

• 52:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, I can arrange that in two seconds.

• 52:03Speaker 04

  No, that's my boy.

• 52:04Bill Maher?

  That's what exhibit said.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:06Bill Maher?

  Oh, I will, I will so set that up. He owes me a favor, oh, like a hundred. But no, really, I will so set that up. And that'll be fun. Okay, so this is homegrown.

• 52:22Bill Maher?

  And good and pure.

• 52:28Speaker 04

  In that yard, in that huge yard you got out there?

• 52:30Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 52:33Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I don't live here on the farm. I live, I live next door.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  I know, but this is really nice.

• 52:38Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know. You know, the, I, I love California. You love California?

• 52:42Speaker 04

  Ah, I do. You know, molecule for molecule, the THC in marijuana is 10,000 times stronger than alcohol and its ability to produce a mild intoxication.

• 52:58Bill Maher?

  You are like Cliff Clavon.

• 53:02Bill Maher?

  You're like, full of, full of information.

• 53:08Bill Maher?

  You remember Cliff?

• 53:09Speaker 04

  Sam, give me a beer.

• 53:10Bill Maher?

  You remember, you remember Cliff Clavon?

• 53:11Speaker 04

  I know, but cheers.

• 53:16Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Um, but they also say it's like so much smaller than it was back in the day, stronger.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is.

• 53:25Bill Maher?

  Don't you think?

• 53:26Speaker 04

  Well, because of hydroponics and everything that they're able to do with it.

• 53:29Bill Maher?

  Well, I just think that when money gets involved, they will find a way to manipulate seeds or, you know, they do it with our, our food supply is, is shit because, you know, there used to be like so many different kinds of wheat. But because of, I can't even explain it, but the economics and it was more economical, so they.

• 53:48Speaker 04

  And that's where Monosac came in and they're just keeping the same.

• 53:52Bill Maher?

  Monsanto?

• 53:53Speaker 04

  Monsanto.

• 53:54Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  Monostat.

• 53:55Bill Maher?

  Cause you're stoned now.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  No, that's what it was. I'm thinking of a yeast infection.

• 54:00Bill Maher?

  What?

• 54:00Speaker 04

  Monostat. They use it for a yeast infection. I don't know how I made the connection there, but I told you that because when I was, I was about to do a film called Away with Harvey, Harvey Weinstein did this for me. Harvey, they, they, he did some beautiful shit.

• 54:18Bill Maher?

  Of course.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  I had.

• 54:19Bill Maher?

  He's a producer, yeah.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  My, my, my, my quote was like $60,000 for a movie and, and Harvey was like, and I was about to go and negotiate for Iron Man. And Harvey was like, no, no, no, no. He's like, I'm going to offer you a picture for three and a half million dollars. You're going to decline that offer

• 54:42Speaker 04

  in writing and that's going to be your quote for Marvel.

• 54:47Speaker 04

  And he did that for me.

• 54:52Bill Maher?

  What? I I don't understand. He said.

• 54:55Speaker 04

  I he offered me a film.

• 54:56Bill Maher?

  I understand that part, but the part about declining, because that would raise your quote.

• 55:02Speaker 04

  No, he wanted, because he didn't want to have to pay me three and a half million.

• 55:06Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  He wanted me to decline it.

• 55:10Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 55:10Speaker 04

  Once I would turn down the offer, now I've been offered three and a half million dollars and I turned that down, so that's now my quote.

• 55:20Speaker 04

  So you were able to take, my agent was able to take that paper and take it to Marvel of and say, this is what it's.

• 55:26Bill Maher?

  So he helped.

• 55:27Speaker 04

  He helped. He helped for no other reason.

• 55:32Bill Maher?

  You know.

• 55:32Speaker 04

  No other reason. He was just good people.

• 55:34Bill Maher?

  Hitler was a vegetarian, you know, like everybody's got something about them.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  Everybody good for something. Everybody good for something. So when I see everybody coming after him, when I knew, I knew what the business was, like I had, the night I was nominated for an Oscar, I was having.

• 55:52Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, hustle and flow.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was having, um, playing poker.

• 55:56Bill Maher?

  That must be a shit in your pants now, with the suit and like, oh, you gotta, who did you bring?

• 56:01Speaker 04

  I brought my mom.

• 56:03Bill Maher?

  See, that's a safe choice.

• 56:04Speaker 04

  I brought my mom.

• 56:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 56:06Speaker 04

  I brought my mom.

• 56:07Bill Maher?

  Unless you're fucking her, it's a very.

• 56:08Speaker 04

  No, no, this ain't a Japanese porn. This ain't Japanese porn. But we had my, damn, that just fucked me up.

• 56:16Bill Maher?

  I told you, I'm, you think I'm gonna give Terrence Howard bad, don't know?

• 56:23Speaker 04

  No, um, uh, well.

• 56:27Bill Maher?

  Your mom.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  No, no, but I, that night I'm at Norby.

• 56:31Bill Maher?

  Walters.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Norby, Norby Walters' party, the house, playing poker.

• 56:35Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 56:36Speaker 04

  And Andy, Andy.

• 56:38Bill Maher?

  Hoffman.

• 56:40Speaker 04

  No, Andy, Andy, the, the heavyset one, uh, you know.

• 56:46Bill Maher?

  Andy Rooney.

• 56:47Speaker 04

  No, Andy.

• 56:48Bill Maher?

  Andy.

• 56:49Speaker 04

  I sat a little far about, far from each other, round face, very round, and.

• 56:56Bill Maher?

  Andy Richter?

• 56:57Speaker 04

  No, I know Andy Richter.

• 56:58Bill Maher?

  Oh, that was so close.

• 56:59Speaker 04

  Andy's, no, you were.

• 57:01Bill Maher?

  I, I really thought I had it on that one. I really thought I had it on that one.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  But we're sitting there playing cards and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm being, you know, facetious with him, uh, with, with, um. God, now that's why I stopped smoking pot. It makes you forget everything. No, I'm sitting there with, uh.

• 57:23Bill Maher?

  Andy Richter.

• 57:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, Andy, not, it wasn't Andy Richter. I'm sitting there with Ed, who's the guy that played Santa Claus in, um.

• 57:33Bill Maher?

  Ed Asner.

• 57:33Speaker 04

  Ed Asner. I'm sitting there with Ed.

• 57:35Bill Maher?

  I love this game show.

• 57:36Speaker 04

  I love, good, good. I'm, I'm sitting there playing poker with him.

• 57:39Bill Maher?

  Ed Asner.

• 57:40Speaker 04

  And.

• 57:41Bill Maher?

  Andy to be named later.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  And I said to him.

• 57:43Bill Maher?

  Taron Taur, Normie Walters. Yes, yes.

• 57:46Speaker 04

  I said to him, I was like, um, you know, what doesn't, they had just had a cake for me for getting nominated. That was the night I got nominated.

• 57:53Bill Maher?

  That's nice.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  And I said to Ed, being facetious, I was like, what's the best advice you can give a young actor so that I can be successful in this business? And he said, work on your blowjob, kid.

• 58:07Bill Maher?

  Who said that?

• 58:08Speaker 04

  Ed Asner.

• 58:08Bill Maher?

  Oh, Ed.

• 58:09Speaker 04

  Said, work on your blowjob.

• 58:11Bill Maher?

  Well, he was joking.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  No, I know he was joking. I, I know he was joking, but after.

• 58:16Bill Maher?

  Funny.

• 58:17Speaker 04

  And I took it like, what, what that meant to me was this business is about pleasing everyone around you. You have to please everybody else. It's not pleasing yourself. And then you get set up in a position to get pleased. That's how I took it. Do everything you can to take care of everybody else's needs. Make sure the producer, the director and the writer have all the things that they need. I didn't take it in a sexual way, but then after all of this other stuff came around, I'm looking at it like, what he was saying was a lot of people got ahead in the business by giving head in the business.

• 58:56Bill Maher?

  Well, of course. I mean, that's when, look, it's way better than it used to be. I mean, it used to be like not, they didn't even try to hide it.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  No.

• 59:04Bill Maher?

  You know, Marilyn Monroe, who I, you know, famously don't think it's attractive. And I don't want to go into that, but she never did it for me. But I know she was like the biggest boner in the world. But I mean, she was like used, like you cannot believe how they just use people in this stuff without any apology or anybody caring.

• 59:26Speaker 04

  Did you see that movie they just did with her?

• 59:28Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  And pushed her on the, she came in to read the script.

• 59:32Bill Maher?

  Yes. And then blowing Kennedy.

• 59:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, well.

• 59:35Bill Maher?

  That was a hard scene to watch.

• 59:37Speaker 04

  I'm just like, dude, this is that all of that added to what Ed Asner said.

• 59:42Bill Maher?

  I know.

• 59:42Speaker 04

  What my assistant said about that other situation. I'm just like, dude, is this it?

• 59:47Bill Maher?

  The blowing Kennedy scene was so disturbing because Kennedy was always a hero in my household. Okay.

• 59:55Speaker 04

  Me too.

• 59:56Bill Maher?

  Okay, so, and look, we don't know if it's true. First, it's a movie, okay? You made that up. You weren't there in the room when Marilyn was blowing him. I'm sure she was blowing him, but the way they presented was he was so unfeeling. He's just lying in bed and he's on the phone. He never gets off the phone.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  Yes, he's sitting over here talking, not even looking at him.

• 1:00:15Bill Maher?

  And she just, the biggest movie star in the world is blowing him and he's, and he's on the phone.

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  And it's the CIA or Secret Service is standing right there next to him.

• 1:00:26Bill Maher?

  Right, it's just, it's just so demeaning to her and it's just hard to watch. And that's why Bobby Kennedy is crazy. Okay, no. But, but, you know, we just don't know that it happened that way. It's, it's, that you are, you have such power as a filmmaker and you are playing with fire because you are presenting images that people cannot forget. And in a part of their mind, you know, think maybe it's true. And it is possible that Kennedy was that callous, but they just don't know.

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  I mean, you have, you look at his father and the choices that his father made. You, and the position that he was always in as the son that wasn't supposed to be there. His older brother was supposed to be there. You know, the sicknesses, all of that, the medication. What kind of effect did that medication have on him? What kind of painkillers was this man on? You know, and being pushed into that field. And he knew he was going to die.

• 1:01:30Bill Maher?

  Okay, yeah, well, that, I, maybe. He was not physically well, even without getting shot in the head. That didn't help.

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:01:38Bill Maher?

  But he had a band back before that.

• 1:01:40Speaker 04

  Did you hear what I heard about what got him killed?

• 1:01:44Bill Maher?

  Oh, I think we all know generally what got him killed, but what's your theory?

• 1:01:48Speaker 04

  The night before he had signed an executive order. Ordering that the Federal Reserve would no longer be printing the dollars, that the US government will now print the dollars.

• 1:02:01Bill Maher?

  The Federal Reserve is the US government.

• 1:02:03Speaker 04

  Federal Reserve is a separate entity.

• 1:02:05Bill Maher?

  Of the US government.

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  But it's a separate thing.

• 1:02:08Bill Maher?

  It has less congressional control, correct, than cabinet positions or any other department, yes. That's for a good reason. You don't want to politicize, funny enough, Trump's doing that now.

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  No, what I heard, what I've researched and found,

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  it was comparable to what happened to Abraham Lincoln. He wanted to do the same thing, start printing money himself, instead of having a Federal Reserve, because this was the problem with the Fed. If the Fed print, say, Congress need 20 billion dollars, the Feds print, okay, they get the order to print up the 20 billion dollars. They never print up the interest, because there's interest on that 20 billion dollars that they just did. There's never, they've never printed up enough money to pay the interest, so they were always going to be in debt. So I heard that Lincoln, and I would love to find it,

• 1:03:15Speaker 04

  that Lincoln had ordered that the Federal Reserve wouldn't be presenting, printing money, or whatever, and was he was going to print it himself, and the same thing was happening with Kennedy, and I could be wrong. This is something I'm shaking off.

• 1:03:27Bill Maher?

  I'm gonna call the flag on this and say you are, because I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, that may be something Lincoln did, but he did other more controversial things.

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, he did, okay, okay, but I'm saying, but that moment.

• 1:03:40Bill Maher?

  I can't remember the one thing, but there was something he did that was super controversial at the time. Oh, yes, freeing the slaves.

• 1:03:47Speaker 04

  Freeing the slaves, but that other thing.

• 1:03:49Bill Maher?

  I think that's what got him killed.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  But freeing the slaves, freeing the slaves, then I don't think that that did it, if what I'm saying is true, and somebody can look that up. But if so.

• 1:04:01Bill Maher?

  Well, money, money's in a close contest with race, because the thing that really unites to me, Lincoln and Kennedy, who are killed almost exactly 100 years apart, you know, elected 1860, elected 1960, is that, you know, Kennedy was the person who changed.

• 1:04:20Bill Maher?

  The solid South, it used to be called the solid South, med solid Democrat

• 1:04:27Bill Maher?

  to solid Republican. That never happened in American history before. An entire region switched parties. Why? Because until Kennedy, civil rights was not something the Democrats cared about. In fact, they were on the wrong side of it. After Kennedy, they were on the right side of it. That's why he got shot. Same reason why Lincoln got shot.

• 1:04:50Speaker 04

  But do you think the Democrats are really in it?

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  From the heart, or is it just so they didn't curry the black vote?

• 1:04:59Bill Maher?

  Look, when you send troops, federal troops, to guard black people so that they can go to college, go to school.

• 1:05:08Speaker 04

  Kennedy, Kennedy was in it.

• 1:05:09Bill Maher?

  That's what got him shot. It's like, how dare you come down to our part of the country where we're still really living in Jim Crow, post-slavery, but not certainly America. And you come in here with the federal troops and your brother Bobby Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy's father, who was like really adamant about this stuff. That changed an entire way the white electorate in those states voted, and they really haven't voted for Democrats since. That's political guts. That's, and that's why he got shot, I think, more than anything. He also wanted to get out of Vietnam, maybe. Lots of stuff that fought the status quo. And also remember the Bay of Pigs?

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Bill Maher?

  When he first got into office? He let the CIA have this plan to invade Cuba and take it back, and it didn't go well. And, you know, he then fired-

• 1:06:03Speaker 04

  That's what pushed Cuba to going and incurring favor with the Russians, because they needed to have some kind of support from him at the end of the war.

• 1:06:11Bill Maher?

  Well, they were doing that before.

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  No, they really tied, tied, tied the hands.

• 1:06:15Bill Maher?

  Well, that's what the, I don't know, the Cuban Missile Crisis was about, the fact that Russia was sending missiles to Cuba. So Cuba, Castro took over in 1959, Russia was like thrilled.

• 1:06:29Bill Maher?

  In sixty one, when Kennedy was just newly in office and the plan was already in the works. And so he didn't stop it, you know, he didn't wanna, he knew that the CIA would revolt. They had this plan in the works, we're gonna go invade Cuba, we're gonna use Cubans, gonna be great. And it wasn't, and they blame him for not giving the air cover that would have helped the invasion. But they were not gonna overtake Castro, they just weren't, it was a, it was a fool's errand. And he then six months later fired the head of the CIA. So they were out to get him. And Bobby Kennedy was going after the mafia, the mafia.

• 1:07:09Bill Maher?

  It was like an Agatha Christie novel, they, they made, they pissed off everybody who's good at like killing you. The mafia, you know.

• 1:07:18Speaker 04

  Is academia good at killing folks?

• 1:07:20Bill Maher?

  Why?

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  Cause they're coming after me pretty hard.

• 1:07:23Bill Maher?

  Academia? You're talking about elite colleges?

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, do they kill folks?

• 1:07:27Bill Maher?

  Well, I never have a good word for elite colleges, so tell me your story.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  No, no, I, I, everything that I've been doing, one of the scariest parts.

• 1:07:36Bill Maher?

  You're talking about like Neil deGrasse Tyson?

• 1:07:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, all, I'm talking about the real people that's controlling, cause one of the things that we found strange and Patrick Bede even talked about it. Sent, put up a post.

• 1:07:47Bill Maher?

  He was here.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  He put up a post and said, um, why is it, cause he, because we had so much pushback about the, the science and all of that stuff. He's like, why has no one actually signed up to come and do this debate with him? Why haven't you reviewed the papers? Cause I put out papers for solving the three body problem, because they wouldn't take me seriously.

• 1:08:12Bill Maher?

  What's the three body problem?

• 1:08:13Speaker 04

  The three body problem has been hanging around since Newton. They can always control what's happening with two bodies in orbit. They can predict how they're going to behave.

• 1:08:22Bill Maher?

  Bodies in orbit.

• 1:08:23Speaker 04

  So when you add a third body, it goes into chaos.

• 1:08:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, you mean because of gravity?

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  Because of their gravity.

• 1:08:31Bill Maher?

  Sure, any gra- I mean.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  They couldn't control the gravitational pull, but their stuff was off with it. And now, so for 300 years, no one was able to solve the the three-body problem. Then AI did some solutions to it, but all of their solutions were time-dependent solutions. So they could run it for a number of cycles, but then after a given point, it would descend back into chaos.

• 1:08:56Bill Maher?

  Do you actually know, I'm not saying this was easily, how electricity works?

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:09:01Bill Maher?

  Oh, really? So, because that's funny.

• 1:09:03Speaker 04

  Ask any question that you've ever had about anything in the universe.

• 1:09:06Bill Maher?

  No, I don't know. I don't want to know.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  I mean, literally, I'm saying.

• 1:09:10Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying, I don't know.

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  Ask any question that you've ever wanted to know about the fundamentals of how the universe behaves. And I can, I can, I, I have the answer because we have the fractal. So, I mean, you can do it right now. Any question you would want, any question about anything with it.

• 1:09:29Bill Maher?

  We're talking about pressure, the entire universe. And I've got, I've got one question.

• 1:09:36Bill Maher?

  This would be a good movie.

• 1:09:41Bill Maher?

  Well, let's see. I hate to be selfish, but how can I ensure, especially now that we have AI, and now that I'm almost 70, how can we ensure that I don't die?

• 1:09:57Bill Maher?

  That's really.

• 1:09:58Speaker 04

  Well.

• 1:09:59Bill Maher?

  The question that is most honestly on my mind.

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  And it's the easiest thing to answer. We have five elements in our DNA that make up most of our, that make up our DNA. Hydrogen, carbon, nitrogen, phosphorus, oxygen.

• 1:10:16Speaker 04

  All five of these elements.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  Sit up and line themselves and if you look at the legs of the DNA, not across the

• 1:10:25Bill Maher?

  Yeah, sure. I know what you're talking about. The helix.

• 1:10:28Speaker 04

  The helix. The helix is made up. This is where the phosphorus and the oxygen spins. I'm gonna hold up for a second. The, you will have one, you'll have, you have one phosphorus waveform and you have four oxygen atoms around it, wrapped around it.

• 1:10:47Bill Maher?

  Well, now it looks like Terrence Howard is angry.

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  No, I'm not angry. And then

• 1:10:53Bill Maher?

  They're gonna steal that picture.

• 1:10:55Speaker 04

  And then off of this oxygen, these legs will start to form. This is the DNA, how the DNA legs start to form up. And that's the ATCG and that's where the carbon and the nitrogen and it'll get over here, hit another oxygen. That's around four of these. Now, when we're young, under this high pressure, we're tight and everything is really good. And things work well. The resonance, we gotta think that everything is moving with resonance. This will be over in 30 seconds. Everything is moving with resonance. So as the information is going over, but the older we get, the further we get from the center of our galaxy, we're in a more vacuous space. The wider the space, now there's more room. And so all of the elements that would naturally, the carbon and the nitrogen that would be right next to each other,

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  or the hydrogen, it's separated out. So other things have gotten in there. That's how we age. So all you have to do, take your prime resonant frequency, because there's a particular frequency that runs through your whole system, that runs across your, um, your fingerprints. And you play that back to you. Under a compressed area underwater, your whole body will tighten up. You recreate, you increase the pressure condition. You don't have to die. That's why I'm like, all of this stuff, it's like, this isn't about flying.

• 1:12:10Bill Maher?

  How can I access this frequency with parts found around the home?

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  With parts found around, you can

• 1:12:17Bill Maher?

  Well, I mean, I just.

• 1:12:18Speaker 04

  How?

• 1:12:19Bill Maher?

  So I don't need anything special not to die?

• 1:12:21Speaker 04

  You don't need nothing special. You just need to run an electrical current through your system.

• 1:12:25Bill Maher?

  But I'm gonna keep getting older.

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  No, no. Run an electrical current through your system. Is all you have to do. Run it through your...

• 1:12:31Bill Maher?

  Sounds dangerous.

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  Nope. They have those little things you hold, and it will tell you what your prime resonant frequency is.

• 1:12:36Bill Maher?

  How to? Bill Maher electrocuted in own home.

• 1:12:39Speaker 04

  If you're in the water, if you got a stone... Say you got a stone tub, a stone tub, and you're in the water. The water is incompressible, and you have that press, that, that, that frequency of your own nature realigning you. It's literally like a molecular massage for each person, and you can tighten things and you can loosen things. Because now we have the steps that you couldn't have before.

• 1:13:05Bill Maher?

  Okay, so let me ask you this, so...

• 1:13:07Speaker 04

  I'm saying you can live forever if you want to.

• 1:13:09Bill Maher?

  I do, and I'm gonna have to call you back on this. I was, you know, I play shoot hoops every day here, and, you know, once in a while I go too hard and I try to tweak my ankle and... But the first, I've done this before. I, you know, been told that to walk barefoot on the earth.

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  Why?

• 1:13:28Bill Maher?

  Is very beneficial.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  Why?

• 1:13:30Bill Maher?

  I'm sure, I'm sure you can answer that better than I can, but somehow, again, only, I'm just a layman here. You're connected to, it makes sense on a very basic level to me.

• 1:13:41Speaker 04

  You've got leather on your bottom of your shoes, so...

• 1:13:43Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:13:44Speaker 04

  So you're connected. All that's moving through you. I've got rubber on the bottom of mine. So now I'm disconnected, so I'm no longer grounded, so all this negative energy just builds up inside of my system.

• 1:13:56Bill Maher?

  And why are you wearing?

• 1:13:57Speaker 04

  And it's waiting to discharge. The moment you touch the ground, you discharge.

• 1:14:03Bill Maher?

  So why are you wearing those shoes if they're bad?

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  Because I don't know if I got hose in my socks. And I'm on the front of the...

• 1:14:10Bill Maher?

  Well, I don't think, I don't think I'm...

• 1:14:11Speaker 04

  But that's what you should do.

• 1:14:12Bill Maher?

  I don't think I'm getting a lot of earth here because we put cement here over the earth.

• 1:14:17Speaker 04

  Doesn't matter. It's still, this is...

• 1:14:19Bill Maher?

  You have, you have to walk, what, what happened is, I walked barefoot. On the earth, not a lot, because I really find it gross. God knows what's in that ground and I have to look out for the dog shit. Anyway, but I did it because this is what I've been told that, you know. And I do think it made my ankle heal faster. I really do.

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  Well, think about having.

• 1:14:41Bill Maher?

  But I don't think that's anything too outrageously.

• 1:14:43Speaker 04

  No, it's not. It's just basic physics. If you have something that wants to discharge, because you're building up all this negative charge and going throughout life, going throughout with everything we're dealing with. And back to the frequency of four forty over four thirty two. There it said that that Joseph Goebbels, you know, Hitler's Minister of Propaganda was the one that pushed four forty instead of four thirty two, because it made people anxious. So to what you were saying earlier, everybody wants to fight and looking for a fight.

• 1:15:15Bill Maher?

  Goebbels did pushed what?

• 1:15:15Speaker 04

  Joseph Goebbels. Um, reached out to to the opera houses in all of the other countries and said, when back in nineteen thirty eight, nineteen thirty nine, when Hitler was doing all of his stuff, saying, hey, um, we've written a German opera. And we want you to, we would love to do it. And this is before the big stuff happened. We have love for you guys. The war, yeah.

• 1:15:41Bill Maher?

  Yes, war started.

• 1:15:42Speaker 04

  And said, and Hitler, you know, well, would be really honored if you would change your music to four forty, so we could do this opera there. And they did that in all those countries and they all wanted to avoid having them.

• 1:15:57Bill Maher?

  But what was the effect of moving it to four forty?

• 1:16:00Speaker 04

  Four forty, four thirty two hits you right at the heart. It's calming.

• 1:16:04Bill Maher?

  It's good?

• 1:16:04Speaker 04

  It's calming. This is natural.

• 1:16:06Bill Maher?

  I see. So four forty makes you rabid?

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  Yes, four forty makes you rabid. And they took it to four forty two. They keep taking it up and people are just, and all of the music is programmed to that. So everybody is just like this discharged all charged up. And so they want to discharge. So you take your shoes off, go to a tree. This is what I do when I'm flipping out and I put my hands on the tree, barefoot in front of the tree and I just hold it, close my eyes, until I don't know the difference between the tree and me. And that discharging, that circulation helped heal your ankle. Cause part of your prime resonant frequency is the Schumann resonance and the Schumann resonance is the earth.

• 1:16:47Bill Maher?

  Honestly, I can't see myself getting to the point where I don't know it's the tree. I, I mean, you must be on a-

• 1:16:53Speaker 04

  You don't know it's the what?

• 1:16:54Bill Maher?

  You said you don't know which one is the-

• 1:16:56Speaker 04

  No, you do, cause the tree doesn't know where its branches end. The tree is, the tree is always trying to-

• 1:17:02Bill Maher?

  I thought you said you didn't know.

• 1:17:04Speaker 04

  I, and then I don't know where I end, cause after a while of holding something, you forget you're touching it. And you forget it's touching you and you know what I'm saying?

• 1:17:13Bill Maher?

  How long does this take? I mean, I feel-

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  Five minutes.

• 1:17:15Bill Maher?

  Five minutes, I feel like I would all-

• 1:17:16Speaker 04

  Five minutes, close your eyes.

• 1:17:17Bill Maher?

  I feel like, I'm, I, I, I don't know, I feel like I'd always know it's the tree. And, uh, and that, and that would, that would be the end of our relationship.

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  No, it's not. No, it's not.

• 1:17:28Bill Maher?

  But you know, if, if the four forty is making you tense, you know, you can fix that? A forty.

• 1:17:34Speaker 04

  A forty. A four, no, a forty, call forty-five. Forty-five would do it.

• 1:17:38Bill Maher?

  You, you, by the way, you are like this generation's Billy Dee Williams. I told you that once at a party. I said, you should play his son in a movie. I was with Kid from Kid and Play. Do you remember that?

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm like-

• 1:17:50Bill Maher?

  And I said, oh, I don't know, we were both, we were high.

• 1:17:53Speaker 04

  I, we were high, cause this whole time I've been waiting to fucking meet you.

• 1:17:57Bill Maher?

  No, but we didn't meet-

• 1:17:58Speaker 04

  And I'm like, damn, I met you and I don't even-

• 1:18:00Bill Maher?

  And we both bum roughed you with this great idea that you should play Billy Dee Williams' son. But it wasn't at the time a great idea. And Billy Dee Williams was here and you know, he's eighty and he's still fucking cool.

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:13Bill Maher?

  And, and you look like you could be his kid.

• 1:18:15Speaker 04

  I, the, the biggest mistake I made in my career was Smokey Robinson offered me, brought me off to come have dinner with him. And he wanted me to play his life. And I just had conversations with, with, with Lee Daniels about playing Marvin Gaye. And I was like, being faithful to Lee Daniels because I had given my word as a man, I'm gonna do this with you. So when Smokey, I had to tell them at the table and it broke his heart. That was the biggest mistake and Billy Dee would have been one of the other people that would have- Well.

• 1:18:52Bill Maher?

  So you did which movie?

• 1:18:53Speaker 04

  I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, Lee Daniels never did Marvin Gaye.

• 1:18:58Bill Maher?

  That's a shame, cuz that is a much more.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  Smokey would have been perfect.

• 1:19:02Bill Maher?

  Um, well, Smokey's interesting, but he's not.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  Cuz he went through shit.

• 1:19:06Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but he's not dead.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  No, he's not.

• 1:19:08Bill Maher?

  And Marvin Gaye is, and I'm sorry, but drama's drama. And there's a lot more drama in getting killed by your dad.

• 1:19:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, but the problem with, with.

• 1:19:17Bill Maher?

  That's a story. I'm sorry to be the studio head who asked, who says that. But no, that's much more interesting. And Marvin Gaye was like, you would have been perfect as Marvin Gaye. And that is a story that needs to be told.

• 1:19:31Speaker 04

  You know what happened with that. I was over at Quincy Jones' house. Um, I'm not dropping names. I'm just giving credibility to what I'm, about what I'm saying.

• 1:19:39Bill Maher?

  No, never drop names. De Niro told me that.

• 1:19:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, um.

• 1:19:47Speaker 04

  So, but I'm asking Quincy, um, I'm hearing rumors that Marvin was gay. And Marvin was gay. And I'm like, was he gay? Was, and, and Quincy's like, yes.

• 1:20:00Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:20:03Speaker 04

  He, he went around it with everything. And I was like, no, and, and I'm like, I could not.

• 1:20:09Bill Maher?

  I just feel like there's a, there's gay for real, and there's a point where guys get so much pussy. They're just like, oh, fuck it.

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, it would have been that, but they would have wanted to do that, and I wouldn't have been able to do that.

• 1:20:23Bill Maher?

  Well, you, you mean you couldn't kiss a guy in, on screen in a movie?

• 1:20:27Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:20:27Bill Maher?

  Not even, yeah.

• 1:20:28Speaker 04

  No, cuz I don't fake it. I, I literally, it has to.

• 1:20:32Bill Maher?

  I couldn't kiss a man either. That's true. And that, that does not.

• 1:20:34Speaker 04

  That would fuck me. I would, I would cut my lips off.

• 1:20:37Bill Maher?

  Yeah, no.

• 1:20:38Speaker 04

  I would. If I, if I, if I kiss some man, I would cut my lips off.

• 1:20:42Bill Maher?

  Well, I would not do that. But I, but I, it does not make me homophobic to not wanna kiss a man. Just like lots of gay men are like pussy, yuck, you know? I mean, that's okay. We can, we all have our own, you, you know, no one wants to tell you how to.

• 1:20:57Speaker 04

  Do what you love to do, but don't do it at me. Don't aim it at me. And I can't play that character.

• 1:21:03Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:21:04Speaker 04

  A hundred percent. I can't, I can't surrender myself to a place that I don't understand.

• 1:21:10Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:11Speaker 04

  And. So that's the end part of of that story of what I had.

• 1:21:17Bill Maher?

  Well, I can understand. I can understand it. I'm just not of it. I mean, I could certainly understand. Man attracted to men. I mean, homosexuality is in nature. You know, animals, there are animals, many, many, many animals.

• 1:21:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, the bonobo, the bonobo monkeys, they practice it.

• 1:21:34Bill Maher?

  They will practice it.

• 1:21:36Speaker 04

  They do, all of them, their whole communicate, the whole colony, everything, the the bonobos, their entire interaction is sexual.

• 1:21:44Bill Maher?

  It can't be all of it if they still.

• 1:21:45Speaker 04

  No, but they still do that, but it's it's seen, it's seen in there, it's seen in in those places. But for me, what my my my constitution of what matters as a man, for me, that's that's the part that I can't.

• 1:22:01Bill Maher?

  Maybe the bonobos are gay. Every once in a while, the bonobo thinks he should try, like Elton John, when he married that girl in nineteen eighty nine. You know, I mean, we all knew it wasn't gonna work, but you know, you gotta give it a shot. Who knows?

• 1:22:16Speaker 04

  I said that to Lee Daniels once we were on set, um, shooting, um, Empire. And I'm supposed to to call all these names out, you know, you know, call, call, call, call Skank, call her, call her, call her ass, call her something, da, da, da. And then, um, he said, try some pussy, try pussy. I said, why don't you try it sometime?

• 1:22:39Bill Maher?

  That's right.

• 1:22:50Bill Maher?

  Yeah, well, see, you know, that show is why you shouldn't ever quit acting because like, once you've had, like, and you've had, you know, you're an Oscar nominee, but there are people who've been Oscar nominees and, you know, like, who are, can you, I mean, the Oscars were only like, last month, ask me now, who was up for the awards? I couldn't tell you. So people forget that. But they don't forget, like, a show that had its moment as like, the sort of it show. You know, Empire was sort of that kind of show, which was great, you know, because usually HBO gets that kind of show, White Lotus or something, but.

• 1:23:27Speaker 04

  I wish HBO had it. I wish HBO had had.

• 1:23:31Bill Maher?

  I think you did pretty good where you were.

• 1:23:32Speaker 04

  No, but they, if they had stayed true to that story.

• 1:23:36Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but it, but, you know, don't argue with success. I mean, it was, it was.

• 1:23:40Speaker 04

  We had 28 million viewers.

• 1:23:42Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 1:23:42Speaker 04

  In the second year.

• 1:23:43Bill Maher?

  Okay. HBO has like 28 million subscribers. So, look, I'm true blue HBO. They're, they're my life and I love them. Um, but some stuff is, I think, no, I think you were in the right place. Go for, you went for a broader thing, get the bigger payday in, in eyeballs and in money. And become the, the water cooler show, the, you know, once you've had that, I'm telling you, you, you can, you will always be in demand in some capacity. And if you think, if you think you're, you know, canceled forever, there's this guy, I heard about this today.

• 1:24:24Bill Maher?

  Mark Halpern. I remember I did a bit about him. I don't know if I mentioned him by name in one of my shows like in 2018, one of my stand-up specials. He was part of the first wave of the Me Too thing.

• 1:24:38Bill Maher?

  And his MO was around the office, he'd rub his dick up against you. You know, you're over there getting coffee.

• 1:24:48Speaker 04

  How did you feel about it?

• 1:24:50Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:24:52Bill Maher?

  He didn't do it to me. If I, if he did it to me, I would have felt poorly about it. Very poorly, I would have felt. But he didn't do it to me. But he did it to women around the office who were just trying to find the sweet and low. And then there's Mark Halpern's dick rubbing against your skirt. It's as grody as it can get. And yet, somebody told me today, oh, you know, on his, uh, podcast or whatever, I'm like, this dude's back?

• 1:25:23Speaker 04

  Because everybody's ninety-eight point seven percent Simeon. We are all animal and so we're gonna forgive the animal in us.

• 1:25:32Bill Maher?

  That goes triple for a guy who's rubbing his dick against you at the coffee station. It goes, and seven years later, so like.

• 1:25:43Speaker 04

  She's married and got four kids.

• 1:25:44Bill Maher?

  Well, who?

• 1:25:45Speaker 04

  The girl that he was rubbing up again.

• 1:25:50Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying, like, you're canceled till you're, till you're not, and like, um, if they like you, and like, like, this guy. Look, I'm not trying to like make this all about how terrible Mark Halpern is. I'm sure he's a nice guy. I had met him before that. He was on the show. But I do find what he did just a- as bad as it gets.

• 1:26:07Speaker 04

  Let me tell you why it's hard, why it's hard for a man. And not give an excuse for that.

• 1:26:12Bill Maher?

  But if he can make it back with no charisma, and not like, nobody like, oh, boy, I can't wait to like imagine myself with it. You can make it back a lot easier.

• 1:26:24Speaker 04

  I know, but I'm, I'm, I'm about a revolution about changing the world now with, with, with.

• 1:26:29Bill Maher?

  Well, I hope you, I hope you'll just at least tell me to, that you haven't told your agent not to like at least pass on to you. If he sees something that's like really great for you, and then you wanna like go in and like, you know, I, I can't believe they wouldn't take a meeting with you.

• 1:26:47Speaker 04

  Well, no, no, right now.

• 1:26:48Bill Maher?

  You know what? I read this part and I think I could fucking kill it, and I'm the right guy for it. Cause there are parts like that that are there. I'm not saying it would happen every, it happens not often. There's not enough good material. We all know that. But when it does, I hope you, you jump at it.

• 1:27:04Speaker 04

  But picture this.

• 1:27:05Bill Maher?

  And try to get it.

• 1:27:06Speaker 04

  What if you

• 1:27:09Speaker 04

  found this, the greatest secret that everybody's been looking for that changes everything?

• 1:27:19Speaker 04

  How do you go on a set? And be able to lend your entire being to a character? When your entire being is like, wait a minute, I don't have to stay in this body no more.

• 1:27:32Bill Maher?

  Isn't that fun?

• 1:27:33Speaker 04

  Aren't you tired of being in this body?

• 1:27:36Bill Maher?

  No, this body?

• 1:27:37Speaker 04

  Wouldn't you love to maintain your consciousness?

• 1:27:39Bill Maher?

  My body's tired of me.

• 1:27:40Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:27:40Bill Maher?

  That's the problem. I'm not tired of my body. My body, I'm trying to be friends with it.

• 1:27:46Speaker 04

  I would love to see me outside of my skin in that light. I would love to see me in other dimensions. I would love to explore these other places that you can go to, that the flesh doesn't allow you to go to. So that's what I want to do.

• 1:28:02Bill Maher?

  But you were born a movie star. I'm sorry, Precious, that this is complicating your life. But you are what you are. I don't know what about the science of it, or the DNA, or what happened, but we all, some of us are, we're just created to be something. You were meant to be that. I'm sorry, I'm meant to be this. I'm meant to be what I am. And I think you do yourself a disservice when you fight against that current. Because you're never gonna beat back the boats there. It's just too strong, you know? I always say, water rolls downhill.

• 1:28:39Speaker 04

  It does.

• 1:28:40Bill Maher?

  Like, it's like, and usually when I say it, what it means is that, you know, I never got married because water rolls downhill. I know where it's gonna roll with me. And it's not gonna roll toward there. And maybe at some point I'll be able to control that, but it does. And I feel like I'm happier when I

• 1:29:06Bill Maher?

  live a moral life, but don't pretend I'm not who I am. And

• 1:29:14Bill Maher?

  You're an actor. And it's fun. And you can't tell me that when you nail the close up, it doesn't give you a kind of adrenaline rush. I mean, I was an actor for 10 years. I wouldn't even like really ever wound up that or was aiming to be that. I always kind of more wanted to be what I became. But that's what I did in the 1980s. And I got a rush from nailing the close up. It's just like, it's a drug. It was as good as stand up.

• 1:29:43Speaker 04

  Well, it's a spell you're casting. And when you know that everyone has been captured in that aroma and that whatever is happening, you've, it's an, it's a medium. But you have to know that it's not you. You've just opened up and some other entity has entered you.

• 1:30:04Bill Maher?

  No, it's bigger, it's bigger than you.

• 1:30:06Speaker 04

  There's something, there's another great entity. And some of those entities, once they get a hold of you, they don't want to let go of you. And that's where the problem comes in.

• 1:30:17Bill Maher?

  But what about Richard Dreyfuss? And you in that little battle?

• 1:30:23Speaker 04

  That's what I'm saying. He, he told me, you go to the very end. So I went to the very end and let go of all. I questioned everything and everything was up for grabs because of trying to always win the frame. To the point where when my mother was dying of colon cancer, and I love my mother with everything I have, I'm sitting there looking at her and the actor in me kicked on and said, this is what it looks like when you're dying. And was taking a fucking note. The actor was taking a note while I'm there and I'm wondering, who am I? And my mother died like three weeks later.

• 1:31:08Speaker 04

  And um, she was the only reason I became an actor.

• 1:31:11Bill Maher?

  But does that diminish how you really feel about your mother?

• 1:31:14Speaker 04

  No, no, no, it doesn't. But I'm like here, I'm trading sacred things for people. They don't, the producers, they don't care. They don't know what we're sacrificing when we're telling our stories. They don't know what we're reliving and, and, and trying to put a little, little seasoning in it and serve this up with a smile, you know? But it's literally my liver and my heart that I'm giving you right now. And when they mistreat it and treat you like an insignificant worm. My very first thing with um, Bill Cosby.

• 1:31:49Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:31:50Speaker 04

  No, not in a bad way. It was just me standing up. Um, uh, I had gone to an audition. Barry Moss was right across the street. He was the, he was the casting director.

• 1:32:05Bill Maher?

  Barry Moss.

• 1:32:06Speaker 04

  Barry Moss, um, in New York, right on Forty Third Street, between like Eighth and Seventh Street on the um, uptown side. My younger brother had gone in there to audition and I just went to accompany him. Then Tony ended up going back to Cleveland and I'm like, my mother always wanted my little brother to become an actor. So I'm, and was trying to get pictures. So I'm thinking, if I become an actor, I'm gonna get my mother's affection. I'm gonna get my mother's affection. So I go and do the Barry Moss. Um, I go up there when Tony's not able to go to the audition. I get the part. I go, I'm on the set, I have a great shoot. I think it's a great shoot. I'm at Pratt Institute, you know, going to school in Brooklyn

• 1:32:50Speaker 04

  for chemical engineer, you know, electrical engineering at the time. And I tell all the kids in school, hey, I'm on Cosby Show, I'm on the Cosby Show. And the show comes out and I have people watching it in the auditorium. I've got, I've pulled that. Show comes out, they don't show me on the show. And I'm so embarrassed. So at six o'clock in the morning, that evening, I called my grandmother, my great grandmother, and I asked her, what should I do? I said, I feel like I need to go and talk to somebody about this, about, nobody told me I was cut out of this thing, and I'm embarrassed. So I go up to Kaufman Astoria Studios in, where they were shooting in New York.

• 1:33:33Speaker 04

  And I'm waiting, and I made friends with all the, the, the security guards before, so they let me in. At six o'clock in the morning, I'm waiting by Bill Cosby's door. They think I'm gonna do another episode. And Bill comes in, I'm like, hey, Bill, can I talk to you for a second? Now, this is my very first job that I've ever had. I'm sixteen years old. And Bill says, come on in. And he pours himself some coffee, he was like, what's going on? I said, I watched the show last night. He said, what'd you think? I said, it was good. But there's only one problem. Y'all cut me out. And he was like, yeah? I was like, but y'all cut me out? And he was like, well, that happens. I was like, yeah, but nobody told me. He was like, didn't your agent tell you? I was like, I don't have an agent.

• 1:34:18Speaker 04

  He was like, well, you need to get you an agent. Plain, straight. I said, well, um, well, you told me that you liked us on the set, and that maybe you would bring us back together. This is my sixteen-year-old ass. He says, and it's only been three weeks. He was like, well, you know, if we like you, maybe we will bring you back. I said, well, did I do something wrong by coming and asking you about this? He was like, he was like, no. He was like, but you, you don't, he said, he said, the next time you have something on, he said, you don't tell somebody on it. You let people call you and tell you they saw you on the show. I said, but dude, I went and told everybody at my school, because you're not the number one show anymore.

• 1:35:02Speaker 04

  Roseanne is the number one show. And this is how I fucked myself with Bill Cosby, by being that loud. And I walked out and said, maybe, maybe this isn't the business for me.

• 1:35:12Bill Maher?

  That's why I'm not that upset about being this age, because you're just so stupid when you're young.

• 1:35:17Speaker 04

  You do stupid.

• 1:35:18Bill Maher?

  You do stupid shit. I've done stupid shit too. I mean, I'm with the cause on this one. It just happened and you just gotta eat shit when you're young and on the bottom. I remember doing a TV movie in nineteen eighty-eight called Out of Time, a direct ripoff of The Terminator, but we went right ahead. Two hour with the gold movie of the week. I was very excited. I was one of the co-stars. And I was kind of eight AM call one day. And stayed in my trailer until three thirty. And showed up on the set at three thirty in the afternoon, which happens. And sometimes you never get called. It does.

• 1:35:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:35:54Bill Maher?

  They, directors want all the, their colors on the palette. Yes. So I showed up and not in a mean way, but just like, you know, comic. I thought, and I showed up at three thirty and said, okay, here I am, ready for my eight AM call.

• 1:36:11Bill Maher?

  At three thirty in the afternoon. And the director was like, don't ever do that. You know, he was like, you're twenty-eight. You got a part in a major movie of the week on a major network. You know, if I want you here every day at eight AM, even if you're not on the call sheet, I'll do it. I mean, he didn't say all that, but like, I got it. Like, dumb. Just like when you're, when you're, before you get there, don't act like you got there. Okay, there's a song for you.

• 1:36:41Speaker 04

  You don't act like you got there. I thought I was doing the right thing by just standing up for myself. But I wasn't patient and didn't learn the system. Uh, you know, and that's what so many young, talented people, they jump out there, they're full of it. That's the bigger problem too, that, that stress is three or four of the things we've been talking about. How much, in nineteen seventy, healthy male, how much sperm do you think he produces per heartbeat?

• 1:37:09Bill Maher?

  Per heart, I didn't know it was calculated that way. What do you mean per heartbeat?

• 1:37:13Speaker 04

  Per heartbeat.

• 1:37:14Bill Maher?

  Like every heartbeat you produce on the sperm?

• 1:37:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, every heartbeat. How much do you think a healthy male from nineteen seventy, nineteen sixty-nine would produce?

• 1:37:23Bill Maher?

  Oh, seventy. Oh, why didn't you say so? Um. Seventy, okay. Led Zeppelin was on the charts. Uh, I'm gonna go with a hundred per beat.

• 1:37:34Speaker 04

  Fifteen hundred sperm per heartbeat.

• 1:37:37Bill Maher?

  And what is it?

• 1:37:38Speaker 04

  For a healthy male.

• 1:37:39Bill Maher?

  And what is that?

• 1:37:39Speaker 04

  Back there. That meant there was two hundred and fifty thousand to five hundred million sperm in a healthy ejaculation. Now, the healthy ejaculation is ten to fifteen million sperm.

• 1:37:51Bill Maher?

  More?

• 1:37:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:37:52Bill Maher?

  Less?

• 1:37:53Speaker 04

  That's all we have left. Ten to fifteen million sperm because of the thylates, because of the BPAs, all the plastics, all of the things that's going into our system. And that's for all the males on the planet, not just us. So it's estimated by twenty forty-five, there will not be any males left on the planet able to produce sperm.

• 1:38:16Bill Maher?

  Have you told this to Elon Musk and Nick Cannon?

• 1:38:19Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:38:19Bill Maher?

  Because?

• 1:38:20Speaker 04

  They're doing the right thing. Pro- pro- procreate.

• 1:38:22Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:38:23Speaker 04

  Procreate if you have to, because most, most species that, when they're facing extinction, that's one of the first things they do. There's a genetic kick that's like, okay, we need to diversify and procreate. Something has to survive this. So, hey, but nowadays, we don't have that much sperm.

• 1:38:41Bill Maher?

  How old are your kids?

• 1:38:42Speaker 04

  I have a thirty-one-year-old daughter, um, Aubrey, a twenty, a thirty-year, a twenty-nine-year-old son, Hunter, and a and a twenty-eight-year-old daughter, Heaven, Heavenly. And I've got a nine and eight-year-old, Karen and Hero.

• 1:38:59Bill Maher?

  So the, the ones who are around thirty, obviously, they're full-on adults. What do, what do you, what do you guys, what, what, what, what do you argue about? What, what, where, where are they like, Dad? That's old thinking, Dad.

• 1:39:10Speaker 04

  They don't do that.

• 1:39:11Bill Maher?

  They don't?

• 1:39:12Speaker 04

  They don't do that.

• 1:39:13Bill Maher?

  So you see eye to eye and everything?

• 1:39:14Speaker 04

  They, because I've been, I was too honest with them. Like, my daughter got mad at me because when she was fourteen, I called her and I was like, hey, I feel like killing myself because I was going through all that stuff with getting kicked out of Hollywood. And all of that, I put too much on her. So I shared everything with them. I was never, you know, outside of it. So it's always, and so they didn't believe anything about the science. For the first few years until until now, all of the patents, now all of the stuff flying and now all of the the changes and the that what A I is doing with it. So now they they're like, they see me as the greatest hero right now because like because at one point, my daughters was like, I don't respect you as a man.

• 1:39:58Bill Maher?

  As a man.

• 1:39:59Speaker 04

  Because my my ex wife said I had beat her up.

• 1:40:02Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:40:03Speaker 04

  And all of that. And that was the worst part of trying to defend myself at a time when you couldn't defend yourself. And that's when I dove into the science. But they see me right now.

• 1:40:13Bill Maher?

  So you think she just was mad at you, so she said you you beat her, but you.

• 1:40:17Speaker 04

  No, no, no. She was doing that because she knew that I had had a fight with my first wife where but she knew that and within a year of us being married, not one trip to the hospital, not one call to the police, not one report from neighbors about us fighting, not any of that. And she goes and says, you know, that I that I beat her up. And it's like anybody that knows me. Yeah, I'm a I fight. I fight men. I'm a fighter. I'm and I do that.

• 1:40:46Bill Maher?

  Nobody knows what a guy is like.

• 1:40:48Speaker 04

  Other stuff was like.

• 1:40:50Bill Maher?

  Nobody knows what a guy is like when he's with a woman. I've seen it too many times, like people who I, you know, I mean, I won't go into specifics, but there's there's somebody who a lot of us in the comedy world worked with. And we didn't know some of the very unsavory things he was doing. I'm just saying.

• 1:41:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:41:12Bill Maher?

  But you no one knows you unless they know you in that way. People are very different with women. But, you know, unless there's, you know, I always say, if you're not in the room.

• 1:41:24Speaker 04

  Then you're not in the room.

• 1:41:25Bill Maher?

  You just don't pretend you know what happened. You just like one of the sides, and so you're just pretending that you know because you want to back that, but you don't know. Um, but it doesn't sound like.

• 1:41:38Bill Maher?

  I mean, I just don't think it's insurmountable as far as America has a way of like overreacting and then going, oh, yeah, maybe we did kind of overreact to that one. You know what I mean?

• 1:41:50Speaker 04

  This is, I don't, I don't mind the overreaction because if that hadn't happened, I would have gone on and kept making the money and I wouldn't have cared about that little voice in the back of my head. It was that little voice.

• 1:42:01Bill Maher?

  What's the voice saying?

• 1:42:03Speaker 04

  The little voice was like, remember what you came here for. Remember the question that you first wanted to know, how does everything work? When I started going back into that, I made all the discoveries. Then I had something to put the money into. That's where the patents come from. That's where the innovation comes from to where this is what.

• 1:42:20Bill Maher?

  So you say patents?

• 1:42:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:42:22Bill Maher?

  Do you think you have a chance to like become extremely rich from what you're working on?

• 1:42:29Speaker 04

  I'm gonna show you something.

• 1:42:31Bill Maher?

  I mean, it's a fair question.

• 1:42:34Speaker 04

  I don't think you ever saw what I'm working on because you about to.

• 1:42:38Bill Maher?

  It's the thing that's gonna make me live forever?

• 1:42:41Speaker 04

  When this is over, I'm gonna show you something.

• 1:42:43Bill Maher?

  Is your day like consumed with this? Like do you, you work with a team?

• 1:42:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have a, we have a full team, international team, um, from people in Canada, people in Chile, people in Germany. Um, because when I first did my stuff with the linchpin, when we first decided, what is the linchpin?

• 1:43:04Bill Maher?

  What is the linchpin?

• 1:43:06Speaker 04

  Well.

• 1:43:11Bill Maher?

  Uh-oh.

• 1:43:15Speaker 04

  What is?

• 1:43:16Bill Maher?

  Well, this is how it started at the Diddy parties. Yeah, the guy reaches into a bag and the next thing you know, you've got somebody's dick up your butt. Yeah, okay.

• 1:43:29Speaker 04

  Some Pentagon.

• 1:43:29Bill Maher?

  Wait, can you believe some of the people who were at those parties?

• 1:43:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:43:33Bill Maher?

  Justin Bieber.

• 1:43:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, but he shouldn't have been there at fourteen and that's the thing. You know, for somebody to. Like I I I stand big on on maintaining somebody's man card. You know, but if it's taken from you, that don't take away your man card. If some child is is is is raped, it doesn't take away.

• 1:43:53Bill Maher?

  What what is man card meaning?

• 1:43:54Speaker 04

  Man card is is your integrity, your dignity.

• 1:43:59Bill Maher?

  Oh, it's not your butt.

• 1:44:00Speaker 04

  It's your butt.

• 1:44:01Bill Maher?

  Oh.

• 1:44:02Speaker 04

  It's your butt.

• 1:44:03Bill Maher?

  Wait, is it your integrity or is it your butt?

• 1:44:06Speaker 04

  Is your integrity, that's because that goes through your intestines and that's your dignity.

• 1:44:10Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:44:10Speaker 04

  That's what you do.

• 1:44:11Bill Maher?

  Well, look, to be clear, my man card has never expired, okay? My man card is intact.

• 1:44:16Speaker 04

  You don't have to.

• 1:44:16Bill Maher?

  But I still I don't I don't think my butt has anything to do with my man card. But, okay, all right, so.

• 1:44:22Speaker 04

  This is what happens when, just hold it anyway. This is six pentagons coming together. Can you imagine that in the last six thousand years of of our recorded history, no one has ever put six pentagons together that way?

• 1:44:37Bill Maher?

  Why, what is it, why is it good, what does it do?

• 1:44:39Speaker 04

  Well, this

• 1:44:42Speaker 04

  became the fractal, this is the lynchville. It's where four bubbles meet. It's where each of the natural forces creates the form of electricity, but what you said.

• 1:44:53Bill Maher?

  And then what practical end does this give us? Like, what does this?

• 1:44:57Speaker 04

  Well, before, we thought it was a cube. Now we understand that we have twelve opposing vortices, harmonic vortices, that's interacting. So now we're able to predict where planets are going to be, where where we can predict all distribution of matter.

• 1:45:15Bill Maher?

  We could, we definitely could predict that before.

• 1:45:17Speaker 04

  No, but we couldn't.

• 1:45:18Bill Maher?

  We could certainly predict where planets were going to be.

• 1:45:21Speaker 04

  But we can predict where all of the stars, where everything is going to align. Each one of these vortices, it picks up the galactic plane, the celestial, and I've got an app where everything that I'm saying to you, I swear, is on a hundred percent truth. We have papers on it and we have the actual apps.

• 1:45:38Bill Maher?

  I got a great, you asked me before, like, what question could I ask about the universe? I just thought of a great one. Last week, they discovered a planet that's seven hundred trillion miles away.

• 1:45:52Bill Maher?

  Which is like, I don't know.

• 1:45:53Speaker 04

  Four light years.

• 1:45:54Bill Maher?

  No, I think way more than four.

• 1:45:56Speaker 04

  It was, okay, I saw a different one then.

• 1:45:58Bill Maher?

  Well, it's seven hundred trillion. I don't know how many light years that is, but.

• 1:46:02Speaker 04

  And I saw.

• 1:46:02Bill Maher?

  But it wasn't, it was like hundred and twenty. I don't know, whatever it is, it's a ridiculous number that we could never travel to with what we know now. Okay. So. The, the story was that this could be a, uh, or they said it was likely to be. A planet that had life because.

• 1:46:22Speaker 04

  Of its proximity to its star.

• 1:46:24Bill Maher?

  No, no, no, no, because they detected. In its atmosphere.

• 1:46:30Speaker 04

  Methane.

• 1:46:31Bill Maher?

  Five different chemicals. That are only present. When life basically is breathing. Okay. I was very impressed. That they could detect this from seven hundred trillion miles away. So can you explain to me? How they could detect what chemicals are in the atmosphere of something seven hundred trillion miles away? Cause I don't know.

• 1:46:59Speaker 04

  You ever heard of a spectrometer?

• 1:47:03Bill Maher?

  Have I heard of one? I've got, I've got one in my car.

• 1:47:08Speaker 04

  No, a spectrometer, it. Basically, we as humans see only point zero zero five percent of the total light spectrum. That's less than one half of one percent. Of what is light. A spectrometer is able to see all of the other waveforms. That we're not able to pick up.

• 1:47:31Bill Maher?

  And then the, and.

• 1:47:32Speaker 04

  So there's a chemical. That, every chemical has a prime resonant frequency by which it bonds or breaks its bonds. That frequency. You can have the web telescope sending a laser that's picking up and that

• 1:47:46Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:47:47Speaker 04

  consistency.

• 1:47:48Bill Maher?

  Wow.

• 1:47:48Speaker 04

  It's able to attach that to the periodic table. It says it has this here, this here.

• 1:47:52Bill Maher?

  Right, okay. Very good. I'm just saying, I could not have done it with things I've learned on YouTube. And somebody did it, and I think they should be applauded. Just, I don't think they're getting enough love for being able to detect what chemicals were in the atmosphere of something seven hundred trillion miles away. I feel that guy should get laid more.

• 1:48:14Speaker 04

  Well, he will.

• 1:48:15Bill Maher?

  You know what?

• 1:48:15Speaker 04

  With your plug, he will.

• 1:48:18Bill Maher?

  Nope.

• 1:48:18Speaker 04

  This right here.

• 1:48:19Bill Maher?

  It's still gonna be you.

• 1:48:20Speaker 04

  Picture this as one proton.

• 1:48:22Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:48:24Speaker 04

  Guess what happens when they began to bond?

• 1:48:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, it's like Legos.

• 1:48:34Speaker 04

  Oh, Legos wish.

• 1:48:35Bill Maher?

  Legos wish. That should be your next.

• 1:48:38Speaker 04

  This is the fractal.

• 1:48:40Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:48:40Speaker 04

  So now, this is what they are seeing.

• 1:48:43Bill Maher?

  Who's seeing?

• 1:48:44Speaker 04

  When they look at particle beams, they're only able to see to this point.

• 1:48:50Bill Maher?

  Oh, oh, alright.

• 1:48:52Speaker 04

  And you see that it still fractals out or scales out with the same four vortices that it had. And four of those will bond and make larger bonds. And it's all predictable, so the Heisenberg uncertainty principle is gone now.

• 1:49:07Bill Maher?

  I still don't see how it affects my erection. I'm sorry.

• 1:49:10Speaker 04

  Well, that's the same with nitric oxide. That's just either endothelial cells, you need to feed your.

• 1:49:17Bill Maher?

  I broke the universe.

• 1:49:19Speaker 04

  You broke hydrogen. You just crushed hydrogen.

• 1:49:23Bill Maher?

  Dun dun dun dun dun.

• 1:49:25Speaker 04

  But I was able to demonstrate.

• 1:49:28Bill Maher?

  Alright, well.

• 1:49:29Speaker 04

  And these things fly.

• 1:49:31Bill Maher?

  Fly? Like a drone?

• 1:49:33Speaker 04

  They fly. No, like, like a flight vehicle, not like a drone. Patent's been granted worldwide. And I'm like, this should have never made it through.

• 1:49:41Bill Maher?

  Shouldn't have.

• 1:49:42Speaker 04

  It should have never made it through. Somebody should have snatched this and said, hey, it's that important of a thing. And they've allowed it to go through. It allows for overunity.

• 1:49:54Bill Maher?

  Well, they, they, they allowed AI. I mean, you know, AI, it's AI.

• 1:49:58Speaker 04

  Nobody's watching the shop. That's what I'm saying.

• 1:50:00Bill Maher?

  Well, certainly nobody's.

• 1:50:02Speaker 04

  People used to be watching and saying, hey, we need to keep this in our government.

• 1:50:05Bill Maher?

  Definitely, nobody's watching the shop now.

• 1:50:07Speaker 04

  That's what I meant on, on Patrick Bet David's show about, hey, no, no, I, I, hey.

• 1:50:12Bill Maher?

  But even, even before Trump, AI, nobody was stopping AI. And probably nobody will. They're just going to rate, have a race to the bottom. And when I mean the bottom, I mean like where the money is. And fuck it if it's going to destroy major parts of humanity. Um, they just don't care. Uh, when it, when it was first proposed AI, they all agreed. They kind of had a little truce. Well, this is just going to be a nonprofit, you know, with, that didn't last. You know, you're right. It's always the money, the money.

• 1:50:53Bill Maher?

  The money, yeah.

• 1:50:54Speaker 04

  And the money is all fake. It's been fake since seventy one.

• 1:50:58Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 1:50:58Speaker 04

  It doesn't matter anymore.

• 1:51:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but if it can buy things that aren't fake, then it's not fake.

• 1:51:03Speaker 04

  It's just, it buys influence, but it has.

• 1:51:06Bill Maher?

  But it also buys apartments. It buys, you know, um,

• 1:51:13Bill Maher?

  or the oil that Puffy used. It, it, it's, you know, it just, it, money is freedom. But you know, when I was poor, I didn't have the freedom to never take a job. That's a great freedom. Uh, I can, I have a freedom now. I have the freedom to like eat what I wanted to eat because I was too poor. I had to eat in Blimpies across the street, you know? I mean, so.

• 1:51:36Speaker 04

  That's why I sued those companies.

• 1:51:38Bill Maher?

  For money.

• 1:51:39Speaker 04

  Cause I needed, the money that I, you go make two, three billion dollars off of me and give me. I've got twenty eight billion, twenty eight million viewers. The people on Big Bang Theory have-

• 1:51:51Bill Maher?

  But that's your agent's job.

• 1:51:52Speaker 04

  Yes, my agent's job, but they were, they had packaged the deal. So they were incentivized to keep my pay low. And so they're telling me that, no, no, it's because you and Taraji are favorite nations. And we couldn't come to a deal with her that we gotta keep you at three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars an episode when you got twenty eight million viewers. And they did that for six years. And they were the ones that were looking after the people on the Big Bang Theory.

• 1:52:20Bill Maher?

  Should have left that agency.

• 1:52:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, you do. And it's like, now I gotta sue you. That was wrong. I gotta check you on that.

• 1:52:29Bill Maher?

  The business has changed for the people watching this who are not in the show business. There was a time when agents were not involved in packaging and producing and production. And once that line got crossed, it did become a little weird.

• 1:52:45Speaker 04

  Fiduciary responsibility was neglected.

• 1:52:49Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:51Speaker 04

  And that's become pandemic in our business. No one keeps their word. Nobody's a man anymore.

• 1:52:58Bill Maher?

  I don't, you really think they ever were? You think Louis B. Mayer kept his word? Or any of these motherfuckers back then? You think they kept their word? Yeah, they kept their word that Marilyn will blow me after lunch. You know, I, I don't think anybody ever, what?

• 1:53:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're right.

• 1:53:15Bill Maher?

  I mean, I just don't-

• 1:53:16Speaker 04

  They've been selling, they've been selling Neverland to everybody.

• 1:53:20Bill Maher?

  No, no, no, they're no different than any other business. We just sell something different. We sell dreams and entertainment and acting. And other people sell widgets and other people sell fucking mufflers. And everybody, that's the, the beauty and the horror of capitalism is that it depends on the, on human nature being what it is, which is greedy and selfish. And if you ever try to change that equation, which is what communism was, you will fail because human nature is greedy and selfish. And, uh, you know, look at you, you got like a million dollar parka on you. You don't, you don't, you don't wanna be poor.

• 1:53:56Speaker 04

  The selfish, no, I do not.

• 1:53:58Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:58Speaker 04

  The selfish gene, that's why I sued everybody. I want my money.

• 1:54:06Speaker 04

  That's the thing, I want my money.

• 1:54:08Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I don't blame you.

• 1:54:09Speaker 04

  Show me the fucking money, man.

• 1:54:11Bill Maher?

  There's your boy Cube again.

• 1:54:13Speaker 04

  I know, fuck.

• 1:54:14Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:15Speaker 04

  So we can go away, but I've got other shit to do.

• 1:54:18Bill Maher?

  All right.

• 1:54:19Speaker 04

  But I love this, man.

• 1:54:20Bill Maher?

  Well, I got other shit to do too now. I could talk to you all night. I really could. I'd love getting a little wasted with you. You are everything I thought you would be.

• 1:54:30Speaker 04

  This is to us, man.

• 1:54:31Bill Maher?

  Please don't say this the last time.

• 1:54:33Speaker 04

  No, no, no.

• 1:54:34Bill Maher?

  Okay, bro.

• 1:54:35Speaker 04

  Look up my shit.

• 1:54:36Bill Maher?

  Oh, I will.

• 1:54:37Speaker 04

  Look up my shit. Go to terrorslynchpins.com.

• 1:54:39Bill Maher?

  All right. Well, I promise you, I will do a deep dive.

• 1:54:43Speaker 04

  I promise you everlasting life if you do.

• 1:54:47Bill Maher?

  That's a lot of fun. Thank you, man, for coming here and doing this. I really appreciate it.

• 1:54:52Speaker 04

  Thank you for speaking with me. Thank you.

• 1:54:54Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:54:55Speaker 04

  That was beautiful.

• 1:54:56Bill Maher?

  Uh, that was kind of beautiful.

• 1:55:03Bill Maher?

  A lot of people. I'm gonna take one to go.

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