Ep. 926: Suppressor Rules Change, Hangry Bears, Oil Worker Wins 100 Cooks, and More!

Steven Rinella and the MeatEater Crew discuss: Trey McKinney, Angler of the Year; Lake Ontario (not Lake America); changes to suppressor regulations; a Montana oil worker wins $200k in a cooking show - with an elk dish; human-bear conflicts; a 6 year old finds an ancient bison; and more! Call to Action: Support Accurate Bison aging: https://www.gofundme.com/f/minnesotans-rally-to-date-gregs-bison-skull https://www.gofundme.com/f/minnesotans-rally-to-date-gregs-bison-skullT Follow Bryce Stubbs on social @letbrycecook https://studio.youtube.com/channel/UCUqHBmTcIDfvJ9sslm6ubUw read his Substack at https://substack.com/@brycestubbs Connect with Steve https://www.themeateater.com/authors/steven-rinella and The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Steve on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella and Twitter https://twitter.com/stevenrinella?lang=en MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:41Steven Rinella?

  Good Lord, it's the news show. This week, we've got Bryce Stubbs in the studio. A Montana kid who just won the Food Network's 100 Cooks and walked away with a nice little chunk of scratch. We got Colorado Bears are on the tear. Tear, let's try to make it rhyme. Colorado Bears are on the tears.

• 2:04Steven Rinella?

  Or are they? Giannis will tell us. It's a better-than-ever time to get that suppressor you've been looking for. Trump generated something of a national eye roll by renaming Lake Ontario. Angler of the Year Trey McKinney joins us, live here, and more. But now, on to our news.

• 2:28Steven Rinella?

  What's first up in our news, Gianni? Tear it away.

• 2:31Speaker 05

  No, it says Steve's kid's question.

• 2:32Steven Rinella?

  Oh, it's very quick. Driving to grouse hunt last night, my kid said to me, 11 years old. He said, "If you froze a person

• 2:42Steven Rinella?

  and cut him open, would all the blood be where it belonged?"

• 2:49Steven Rinella?

  That's all. Go on.

• 2:51Speaker 05

  You didn't have an answer for him?

• 2:52Steven Rinella?

  I told him, "Yeah, be right where it belonged."

• 2:55Speaker 05

  I imagine. I'm gonna, I'll ask my brother on that. He just did a big cadaver thing.

• 2:59Steven Rinella?

  It's right where it belonged. I already thought it through. Go ahead, Gianni.

• 3:03Speaker 05

  This American Life did a real good story recently about when freezing people and keeping them around forever until medical advances caught up to bringing them back alive. Remember that in the 70s?

• 3:14Steven Rinella?

  That's still a thing, man.

• 3:16Speaker 05

  Maybe, but they did a nice, long story on it, very entertaining.

• 3:20Steven Rinella?

  There's dudes now hip to, because that's expensive. There's a cheap version, and one of the guys that, one of the guys that many people, you know, they don't know who invented Bitcoin?

• 3:28Speaker 05

  I didn't know that.

• 3:29Steven Rinella?

  So my friend Ben Wall, my friend Ben Wallace wrote a wonderful book about trying to unmask, yes, the mysterious Mr. Nakamoto. No one knows who invented Bitcoin. He has billions and billions in Bitcoin that has never been tapped into.

• 3:47Steven Rinella?

  One of the guys that some people think invented Bitcoin just had his brain froze trying to save money.

• 3:56Steven Rinella?

  So he's, he's anticipating like major medical advancements. Not that you just reanimate his body, but you thaw his brain out, stick it in some dude. I don't know.

• 4:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:08Steven Rinella?

  No, playing the long game.

• 4:10Speaker 05

  A nice, strong night, 20-year-old. Uh, what do I have for my news? Whitetail habitat in Wisconsin work, Kansas scouting in Wyoming elk. Two days in late July in Wisconsin. Mostly spraying buckthorn, which is this invasive that I'm, it was funny. I thought I was gonna have like a little bit to battle when I started this project. And as soon as the sunlight hit the forest floor, it went bananas. And now I've got like 10 acres of it, but.

• 4:41Steven Rinella?

  Why do people hate it? Buckthorn.

• 4:44Speaker 05

  It's like any of these invasives, they just take over and they don't let the stuff grow that you want to grow.

• 4:50Steven Rinella?

  And nothing wants to eat it.

• 4:52Speaker 05

  No. Yeah.

• 4:54Speaker 05

  But I'm happy to report my dad's been back a month later since I was there. And he's, he reported, "There's a lot of dead buckthorn." So my work had, had results.

• 5:05Steven Rinella?

  Like you're murdering it.

• 5:06Speaker 05

  Yeah. I don't know how I missed this, though. Growing up in Michigan, maybe you have memories of this, but I don't have memories of sweating the way that I sweat now when I go to Wisconsin to work. To the point where my rubber gloves, I would take them off after doing a, like spraying a full backpack, walking around in the middle of the day, I could pour the sweat out of them. There's a video on my Instagram.

• 5:30Steven Rinella?

  Kids don't sweat.

• 5:31Speaker 05

  You just don't, you think that's what it is?

• 5:33Steven Rinella?

  I remember discovering that I could sweat throwing hay bales. And then you're only aware of it because all the dust stuck to you. But no, you don't sweat as a kid.

• 5:43Speaker 05

  It's like.

• 5:43Steven Rinella?

  Skinny little shit don't sweat. I'll wear a shirt that says that on it. Skinny little shit don't sweat.

• 5:49Speaker 05

  The other highlight from Wisconsin was I finally took the time to hang some vines and make like legit mock scrapes. You familiar with this, like hanging a grapevine? The internet says that that's the best thing. You can use other, say you don't live in a place, say you live in a place where there are no grapevines, you can use other branches.

• 6:10Steven Rinella?

  You mean you're putting in a licking branch?

• 6:12Speaker 05

  Yes, but instead of using a oak licking branch.

• 6:16Steven Rinella?

  Just hang a vine.

• 6:17Speaker 05

  Hang a vine. And I did them, you know, 20 yards from two different stands, killed all the, you know, stuff that was living underneath it.

• 6:26Steven Rinella?

  Killing all the stuff all the time, man.

• 6:28Speaker 05

  Oh, yes. I'm such a, I get, become more and more of a fan of herbicide and cutting trees down by the day.

• 6:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, okay.

• 6:36Speaker 05

  Because when you kill stuff, the stuff that you want comes back.

• 6:40Steven Rinella?

  I understand.

• 6:41Speaker 05

  Anyways, did a couple, did three of those. Two out of the three that same night had deer activity on them. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty amazing.

• 6:50Steven Rinella?

  Did you put some Buckman juice down?

• 6:51Speaker 05

  I didn't put any, well, yeah, I did that. I peed in the scrapes for sure. But yeah, they're just going up there and like, whatever it is.

• 6:58Steven Rinella?

  Are you kidding me?

• 6:59Speaker 05

  No, they see it, you know? And they're just like, they go over there and attract it.

• 7:04Steven Rinella?

  The day you did it.

• 7:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, that night I had two.

• 7:07Steven Rinella?

  Deer visited it.

• 7:07Speaker 05

  I did, I made three, and two out of the three got hit that night.

• 7:11Steven Rinella?

  That's incredible.

• 7:12Speaker 05

  Does and young bucks. I haven't had a big buck on them yet.

• 7:15Steven Rinella?

  About that height and position that they.

• 7:20Speaker 05

  They're into it.

• 7:21Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. You know, you hear similar stuff about Grouf Grouse in a drumming log.

• 7:25Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 7:26Steven Rinella?

  Right? They're like, "Oh, that's everything," you know what I mean?

• 7:30Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 7:31Steven Rinella?

  It's like, I need to be able to see a certain distance, it needs to be a certain height, and they just, right, are on it. And a licking branch, she's like, "Oh, sweet licking branch."

• 7:38Speaker 06

  Makes you realize they're paying more attention to like detail, like what's around them than you think they do.

• 7:43Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 7:44Speaker 06

  Like that's like shows up at like, he's got like a signpost.

• 7:48Steven Rinella?

  That's really interesting.

• 7:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, even though there was some dude with his hands all over it and ladders and cannons driving around spraying herbicide, they're like, "Oh, no matter. I like that thing. I'm gonna rub, rub my forehead on it."

• 8:05Speaker 05

  Middle of August, Brent and I went to Kansas and hung 10 multi-trail cameras on three different properties that we're gonna hunt. Now, we got these three different properties through a friend of his who's, I don't want to say it's a very like, it's an outfitter, but he's kind of a DIY kind of guy where he's, he's gonna have the spots for you, he's gonna put you up, but you're kind of on your own for the hunting. Like he'll say, "Yeah, go check that out, and you know, we see deer down here, but you're not gonna get dropped off at the blind, you're not, you know, he's not gonna hang grapevines for you, that kind of stuff."

• 8:40Steven Rinella?

  It was like that time you and me did that turkey hunt in Florida.

• 8:44Speaker 05

  Yes, exactly. You basically get the property.

• 8:46Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, like figure it out.

• 8:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, so Brent and I did, we basically had one full day there. Hot as hell there, too, just like Wisconsin, it was like 95 and, and hot.

• 8:58Speaker 05

  Hung 10 cameras, speed scouting it, just trying to figure out, you know, major crossings, pinch points, funnels, whatever. Did okay, I think. If you, if you don't mind, Phil, go ahead and show, show the viewers what we've seen, what we've got so far. Doesn't matter, pull one up. Yeah, any of the ones from the trail cameras. Yeah, hold on here. We don't have a Kansas Giant yet.

• 9:25Speaker 05

  But there's this guy.

• 9:26Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I'll take it.

• 9:26Speaker 05

  And he's got like a bonus, you can see, I don't know if you call it an extra, keep kind of rolling through him, Phil. On his left antler, his left antler, there's like an extra brow tie. Yeah.

• 9:39Steven Rinella?

  You know what I always ask myself, any buck I see? I say, "But is it as big as the buck that's been laying in my yard?" No.

• 9:47Speaker 06

  Your neighbor showed me a picture of that thing. Holy cow.

• 9:50Steven Rinella?

  My daughter had to mow around it.

• 9:52Speaker 06

  Yeah. He's a bruiser.

• 9:54Steven Rinella?

  She had to mow around the buck.

• 9:55Speaker 05

  Are you serious?

• 9:56Steven Rinella?

  It's huge.

• 9:56Speaker 05

  Unbelievable. She smote around it?

• 9:59Steven Rinella?

  This buck is like, "Hey, what's up, guys?"

• 10:02Steven Rinella?

  Jimmy's all trying to plot how he.

• 10:04Speaker 05

  If he doesn't get. How you can drive it out of city limits?

• 10:07Speaker 06

  Scare him into Pat's yard where he's outside of city limits.

• 10:11Steven Rinella?

  You know, I could tell somebody funny stories about him and that buck. He's obsessed with this buck. He's got no path forward, though.

• 10:18Speaker 05

  Well, you need to bring in a picture of this buck.

• 10:21Steven Rinella?

  Dude, it's like giant drop time. Anyways, go on.

• 10:24Speaker 05

  So, well, this is what we got so far, which is, you know, this is actually a different one. That's a 10-point that's been running with the funky guy. Which are both like, if I saw either of them in Wisconsin, I'd be flinging an arrow immediately. But Brent keeps telling me, "Gianni, I could shoot those bucks in Arkansas." You know, I'm like, "Okay, well, you're gonna be there with me so you can tell me which one to shoot or not shoot." Phil, show the picture of the, of the taxidermy bucks. This is what's available.

• 10:53Steven Rinella?

  Is it bigger than the buck in my yard?

• 10:55Speaker 05

  I don't know. I haven't seen the buck in your yard.

• 10:59Speaker 06

  Man, those G3s.

• 11:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's amazing.

• 11:02Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 11:03Speaker 05

  Then there's one filled with two of, oh yeah, isn't that nice?

• 11:06Speaker 06

  Lot of high and tight bucks on that.

• 11:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, they definitely have. Yeah, you're not going to get a big spread credit out of those.

• 11:14Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 11:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, look at those two boys.

• 11:16Steven Rinella?

  What's up?

• 11:17Speaker 07

  Who's place is that?

• 11:17Steven Rinella?

  They all got big G3s.

• 11:18Speaker 05

  That's, that's where we're, uh, that basement is where Brent and I are going to be sleeping during our Kansas hunt. So we're heading there in, uh, okay, but here's the, I don't know if this is the highlight.

• 11:28Steven Rinella?

  Listening, Johnny's showing pictures of bucks that most dudes would be real excited to get.

• 11:32Speaker 07

  With astounding G3s.

• 11:33Speaker 06

  Are you hunting rut there or what?

• 11:35Speaker 05

  Uh, I'm going to hunt the last week of October.

• 11:38Speaker 06

  Pre-rut.

• 11:38Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, when I came home though, from this trip.

• 11:44Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I saw this.

• 11:45Speaker 05

  Felt like when you were in the hospital and you had Lyme.

• 11:50Steven Rinella?

  Just problems.

• 11:51Speaker 05

  And yeah, and you had may possibly like giardia and I forget all the things that it compounded and the, because you had some kind of skin irritant as well.

• 11:59Steven Rinella?

  No, I had, yeah, I had a whole list of issues, but it all, I had, uh, it was a, um, like a colon infection.

• 12:09Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, long story.

• 12:10Speaker 05

  Long story.

• 12:11Steven Rinella?

  But it had compound, yeah, it was a series of events that led me to be there. And it, and I was at, uh, I was at the Jewish hospital in New York and when I finally was getting checked out.

• 12:22Steven Rinella?

  I always remember the doctor was leaving the door like she, it was like a movie scene. She's leaving the door and turns to me and says, stay away from pigs.

• 12:31Speaker 05

  Right, because didn't you get poison ivy or poison oak from the pigs?

• 12:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 12:35Speaker 05

  Right, right, right. So you can hear that story on probably several different old media podcasts, but find it somehow. I left there, came home, I've got, I was, I was thinking about you because I'm like, I wonder if Steve's ever had this many skinny irritations at once. Mosquito bites, tick bites, chiggers, poison ivy, and then on top of all that, a wicked common cold that shut me down for three, four, or five days.

• 13:01Steven Rinella?

  Let me see them chiggers.

• 13:02Speaker 05

  Well, they're gone now. This is 10, 10 days ago.

• 13:05Steven Rinella?

  Did, did any of that stuff get your scro?

• 13:06Speaker 05

  A little bit of that, had that patch of poison ivy here. Uh, not, not scro, but in the general scro area, I definitely had some, um, tick bites, the seed ticks. Yeah, hopefully they'll all be gone by, uh, by end of October.

• 13:23Steven Rinella?

  Ticks?

• 13:24Speaker 05

  Little seed ticks.

• 13:25Steven Rinella?

  Okay, you'd be wise to go listen to that episode we did on, on, um, alpha gal syndrome, the whole dedicated episode on alpha gal.

• 13:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I haven't listened to it yet.

• 13:35Steven Rinella?

  No, it'll scare you.

• 13:37Speaker 05

  All right.

• 13:38Steven Rinella?

  Or not.

• 13:38Speaker 05

  Last but not least, leaving in two days for my Wyoming elk hunt. It's exciting.

• 13:44Steven Rinella?

  What's the weather looking like? Hot?

• 13:46Speaker 05

  It's gonna, it's hot this weekend, then it's going to cool down. It's going to start getting into like highs of 70, maybe low 70s and then lows 30 to 40.

• 13:55Steven Rinella?

  No one believes me, but the other morning our roof had frost on it.

• 13:59Speaker 05

  It's probably the morning that my thermometer read 37.

• 14:02Steven Rinella?

  Oh, because Gary keeps telling me my thermometer said 44. I'm like, I don't know, I must live in a weird little hole. I don't know. The big buck brings in the cold. I don't know what it is.

• 14:12Speaker 05

  Um, I'm a little bit nervous. Here's what I got going on. I, I'm two days out. I still have a lot of packing and planning to do. I never made it there to do any scouting. So the first couple of days are going to be all just driving around as much as I can in the Can-Am and just road scouting.

• 14:27Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 14:28Speaker 05

  Glassing early and late, but basically figuring out my access, figuring out how long it takes to get from A to B. And just zipping around, zipping around until I have an idea of, you know, like, like I know the place. Um, the one thing I will say, which I'm very happy about this, I do think is maybe the most important is that my broadhead tipped arrows are flying good. And right now I would shoot at an elk at 50 yards.

• 14:52Steven Rinella?

  Good.

• 14:54Speaker 05

  I'm ready.

• 14:54Steven Rinella?

  Which means

• 14:57Steven Rinella?

  50, you'll shoot an elk at 59.

• 15:00Speaker 05

  No. You know, I, I was shooting with a guy the other day at, at the house.

• 15:06Speaker 05

  We have a little 3D course set up there and we're shooting and he asked me the question. He's like, how far, how far would you shoot? We were actually shooting at a farther range, but I think we were shooting at 60 or 65.

• 15:16Steven Rinella?

  That's why I like your range.

• 15:17Speaker 05

  And I had a really nice group going, you know, like a seven, eight inch group at, at that range. And he's like, what would you shoot him at? I'm like 50. He's like, really? Right now? Look at you, what you're doing. You're telling me perfect conditions, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And in the moment I thought, well, yeah, maybe he's right. You know, the wind's not blowing, the bull elk doesn't know I'm there and everything's perfect. My heart rate's not up. Yeah, I could probably send it. But then later that night I was laying in bed and I was thinking, no, you don't want to send it because you take those, I don't want to call them chip shots, but the shots that you're absolutely a hundred percent sure in 50 yards and under, not 59.

• 15:55Speaker 05

  Because you have to think about five minutes later when that sucker's running off with one stuck like way too far back or in his ass. And you know.

• 16:04Steven Rinella?

  Way too much arrow showing.

• 16:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like, that's why you don't take the 59 yarder.

• 16:10Steven Rinella?

  I just, yeah, I, I had this conversation the other day with someone who's telling me, man, guys online. I'm like, you ain't online.

• 16:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, totally.

• 16:20Steven Rinella?

  You're in the woods.

• 16:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. And again, you know, I, I'm human, I make mistakes. And again, at 60 plus yards, like that arrow takes a while to get there. And those critters can just take one step and it goes from being a perfect center of the lungs to being back or whatever.

• 16:37Steven Rinella?

  Dude, uh, uh, when you come back and tell me, man, I passed up a beautiful bull at 51.

• 16:45Steven Rinella?

  I'll be all ears. I'll be all ears. I'll be all ears. All right, Nate, Nate Mason, um, Nate Mason came over to us in the podcast space from our, from one of our companies. FHF Gear.

• 17:01Speaker 07

  Makers of the greatest bino harness on the planet.

• 17:03Steven Rinella?

  Makers of the greatest bino harness on the planet. He, he, he was on the same, before he came over to the podcast team, he was on the same floor. It's this studio, just a different wing of the office.

• 17:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, the wing none of y'all visit.

• 17:14Steven Rinella?

  I'm down there all the time.

• 17:15Speaker 07

  You are, but everyone else doesn't.

• 17:16Steven Rinella?

  You know, no, me and Yanni are down all the time. We're just not welcome guests.

• 17:19Speaker 07

  Oh no, you're welcome.

• 17:20Steven Rinella?

  No, because we're like, hey, can you guys sew this?

• 17:23Speaker 07

  Well, usually it's like a buoy or something. So hey, can you sew the spearfishing wet suit for me?

• 17:30Steven Rinella?

  Hey, can you make me, can you, you guys got like a few days where you can make me a holder for my underwater flashlight? Shit like that.

• 17:36Speaker 07

  Yeah, the guy who was managing Paul's schedule said no, but Paul said yes, so.

• 17:41Steven Rinella?

  Anyways, so Nate was involved, Nate's gonna, he's gonna, he's gonna bring the worlds together.

• 17:46Speaker 07

  Yep. Um, so worked there for two years and a big chunk of that time spent giving input on the FHF Apex bag that we just released. Um, so you go to the website, check it out, but we'll give you the spiel here that I would give to you at a trade show if you walked in. Headliner, it's going to cost 400 bucks.

• 18:07Speaker 07

  Big. And we knew that going into it because you make anything physically large. Yeah, you make anything physically large in America by citizens of the United States, it will cost you so much money. And we're committed, like FHF's committed to that. Um, and so we knew it was going to be super expensive. And the question that we wrestled with was how do you make, how do you justify a $400 price tag? And what we landed on is a backpack that you don't just pull out of your closet for a seven day elk hunt. It's a backpack you can use year round in multiple configurations, everything from no waist belt, throwing it into an overhead on your, in your, in your plane, to loading it on an XO K4 frame and hauling out an elk quarter. Does everything in between.

• 18:46Steven Rinella?

  Can I tell you something? See this one right here? Guess what I had in here last night?

• 18:52Speaker 05

  Grouse.

• 18:54Steven Rinella?

  10 grouse and a laptop.

• 18:58Speaker 07

  That's why your charger doesn't work anymore.

• 19:01Steven Rinella?

  You guys had a good night. Was in this, was, I was, I, because I like to do big screen trail cam checking. Big screen.

• 19:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 19:11Steven Rinella?

  So I was getting a couple of things out of the woods and I was like, I only have my laptop with me because I can't, I, I'm not patient enough to wait. So I had my laptop in there and we had, me and my kids had our dead grouses in there.

• 19:20Speaker 07

  Bing, bang, boom.

• 19:22Steven Rinella?

  But mine has to cost some sticker media laboratories.

• 19:24Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's, that's prototype special.

• 19:25Speaker 05

  What, uh, what species of grouse did you guys get into so well?

• 19:29Steven Rinella?

  How, how technical do you want me to get?

• 19:32Speaker 05

  Super.

• 19:32Steven Rinella?

  Are you like an ornithological society man?

• 19:34Speaker 05

  No.

• 19:35Steven Rinella?

  That case, then they were duskeys.

• 19:38Speaker 05

  Duskeys.

• 19:38Steven Rinella?

  If you're just a regular blue collar guy, blue grouse.

• 19:41Speaker 05

  Got it.

• 19:42Speaker 07

  Yeah, so go check that bag out, FHFGear.com.

• 19:47Steven Rinella?

  Hall got bigger than that.

• 19:48Speaker 07

  How many did you end with?

• 19:49Steven Rinella?

  We had four hunters.

• 19:51Speaker 07

  12?

• 19:52Steven Rinella?

  Hmm, me, three kids.

• 19:55Speaker 07

  That's a good day.

• 19:56Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 19:57Speaker 07

  Anyhow.

• 19:57Steven Rinella?

  Go on.

• 19:58Speaker 07

  If you want to check that out. Yep, FHFGear.com. It's a big price tag, but you'll use it not only for years, but throughout the entire year.

• 20:07Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 20:09Speaker 05

  That's good.

• 20:09Steven Rinella?

  That's all you're going to say about it?

• 20:11Speaker 07

  That's, it speaks for itself.

• 20:12Steven Rinella?

  Let's grab one and show, grab one and show it.

• 20:13Speaker 07

  Yeah, okay, okay. Pass, pass that one on the behind you, Bryce.

• 20:17Steven Rinella?

  Well, that's one on a K4 frame.

• 20:19Speaker 07

  Yes. And so if you look at the left, you know, it's no, give me the one on the left. Sorry, give me the one on the left.

• 20:23Steven Rinella?

  Why's Bryce got to do it?

• 20:26Speaker 07

  This sucker.

• 20:27Steven Rinella?

  He's a chef.

• 20:27Speaker 07

  This is how, this is, this is how this bad Larry's going to come. Okay, no waist belt, um, straps, pad, kind of your everyday 24 hour, 36 hour pack. Be great. Then you can take that sucker, pan over to Steve and throw your Apex belt.

• 20:47Speaker 07

  Not, not whip hand.

• 20:49Steven Rinella?

  I got mine clipped behind.

• 20:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, throw your Apex belt on there and now you have some, some load bearing capability. You got your hip deal going on, E4s, whatever you want.

• 20:57Steven Rinella?

  Keep your bullets in these little pockets when you're grouse hunting.

• 20:59Speaker 07

  Yep, throw your grouse in there, your laptop, whatever you want. And then Bryce, we got the K4 version, same bag. You strip all the shoulder pads off, the waist belt, all that stuff. And you can mount this sucker

• 21:13Speaker 07

  on an XO K4 frame and it works just like it would any other Western meat hauling pack. It's about 2,200 cubic inches. Perfect for truck hunting, day hunting, maybe two nights, one night, two nights. Um, yeah, it's great. Love that thing. Made in America. Thanks, man.

• 21:30Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 21:34Speaker 02

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• 21:45Steven Rinella?

  Three bodies on the ground.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 21:49Steven Rinella?

  Oh, since swarms upon you and upon your people.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  That's one of the plagues of the Bible.

• 21:53Steven Rinella?

  And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

• 21:56Speaker 02

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• 23:04Steven Rinella?

  All right, Phil, cue your news.

• 23:11Steven Rinella?

  What was that?

• 23:12Speaker 07

  Uh, that was a pigeon delivering a letter and putting it through a mail slot.

• 23:17Steven Rinella?

  Well, I wouldn't have gotten that.

• 23:19Speaker 06

  He's been using that one for weeks.

• 23:20Speaker 07

  Those are the best sound effects, the ones you have to explain to people, just like jokes, you know?

• 23:25Steven Rinella?

  This is your news presented by Banish.

• 23:29Steven Rinella?

  Speaking of suppressors here, Kai Banish, speaking of suppressors, at the end of the show, we have an update from Silencer Central on changes to the NFA. You don't need to know what that means. What you need to, you could, you could listen to the whole story. It's fascinating if you're a policy guy, if you like the details. The long and short of it is probably in the history of, of America. This is gonna sound bold. And at the end of the episode, you'll hear the whole interview. In the history of America now is probably the, definitely the best time that has ever happened and could become

• 24:08Steven Rinella?

  the best. What am I trying to say? Undoubtedly, right now is the best moment ever to get a suppressor if you've been thinking about a suppressor. Because the, the federal government regulatory changes.

• 24:21Steven Rinella?

  There's a chance it'll get better. There seems to be a better chance it's gonna get worse.

• 24:27Speaker 07

  Depending on the state you live in.

• 24:28Steven Rinella?

  Depending on the state you live in.

• 24:30Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 24:31Steven Rinella?

  Or not. Or following.

• 24:37Speaker 07

  We'll hit it.

• 24:38Speaker 06

  Listen to the interview.

• 24:39Steven Rinella?

  Listen in the end.

• 24:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 24:40Steven Rinella?

  Listen in the end. Politically, politically in this country, it's the suppress, the, the, the friends of the suppressors are in power. The enemies of the suppressors will follow in, on their heels. But just listen to the whole damn thing later. The generator update is this. I, I spelled out on a news show, this problem, I have a generator that needs an exorcism. The greatest mechanical minds in Ketchikan, Alaska have not, they have not been able to solve this problem. I laid it all out. This is insider for you people that listened and participated.

• 25:20Steven Rinella?

  Can you build the graph? Can you explain the graph?

• 25:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, basically, we aggregated comments from the email, the inbox, which always feel free to write in, um, and the YouTube comments. And we've got two columns. We've got, uh, there, there's five top suggestions on how to exercise this generator.

• 25:37Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 25:38Speaker 07

  Um, and there, there's, there's a differentiation between the YouTube folks, the YouTube mechanics, and the email mechanics. But really, there's two, there's two options.

• 25:48Steven Rinella?

  Put more faith in the YouTube guy.

• 25:49Speaker 07

  You know, I, I, well, that's what I want to find out. I don't know who's a more educated populace on generators. The YouTube comments.

• 25:58Steven Rinella?

  What do you think about that, Bryce?

• 26:00Speaker 06

  I would say email. If you take the time to type out an email.

• 26:03Steven Rinella?

  You're smarter?

• 26:04Speaker 06

  You're smarter.

• 26:04Speaker 07

  You know what I found?

• 26:05Speaker 06

  Anyone could comment on a YouTube.

• 26:06Speaker 07

  Is many mechanics who wrote in apologized for their grammar, which I, I don't care. But I found that the better suggestions came from the guys who had poor grammar. I've, I've started not trusting in the guys who wrote real.

• 26:19Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, because they spent their life wrenching on stuff.

• 26:21Speaker 07

  I agree. I agree. So anyways.

• 26:24Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, they're not like keyboard, they're not keyboard dudes.

• 26:26Speaker 06

  They probably don't even have an email. They just go on YouTube.

• 26:28Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, these dudes, they got a dip pack and they're wrenching. The YouTube guys. Spell right.

• 26:33Speaker 07

  They've, they vote that it's the low, low oil level slash pressure sensor. And the email guys think it's the fuel cap or tank vent is clogged up.

• 26:43Steven Rinella?

  Hmm. I'm trying them both, dude. I'm not even gonna find out which it was.

• 26:47Speaker 06

  Is it in town getting fixed or is it still there?

• 26:49Steven Rinella?

  It's been to town. This is a well-traveled generator. I got more money into shipping this generator back and forth. When I say, ah, me and my co-owners. We got more money in shipping this generator around than it would cost to buy the damn generator.

• 27:02Speaker 06

  Aren't you going back there this fall?

• 27:04Steven Rinella?

  It's out there right now.

• 27:06Speaker 06

  But you're going back to Met, like?

• 27:07Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, and I'm doing all this junk.

• 27:09Speaker 06

  What kind of generator is it?

• 27:11Steven Rinella?

  It's a Honda EU 7000.

• 27:14Speaker 06

  The big boy.

• 27:15Steven Rinella?

  Big dog.

• 27:17Speaker 07

  So those were.

• 27:18Steven Rinella?

  Big dog.

• 27:19Speaker 07

  Number ones and two. Number three was the co-minder sensor. The fourth recommended was overheating and thermal sensor. And the fifth was the ignition coil. So there's your hit list.

• 27:28Steven Rinella?

  I like these guys on the ignition coil. They're saying, take a heat gun and just speed it along.

• 27:33Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 27:34Steven Rinella?

  Heat the, heat the ignition coil, the, instead of waiting four hours for it to shut off, heat it with the heat gun. Mainly, the reason we're getting into this is thank you. Thank you.

• 27:44Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 27:45Steven Rinella?

  Thank you. Um, for all this feedback, it means the world. Bison skull discovery. Check this out.

• 27:53Speaker 06

  Best story of the show.

• 27:55Steven Rinella?

  Check this out. Someone writes in, we own a small piece of river property in southwest Minnesota, which is what makes us interesting. To me a little bit because, you know, some, some guy in Wyoming, sure. Sure. They're covered up in them. But southwest Minnesota, we are currently experiencing a drought. Oh, um, my kid was reading me an article yesterday. Uh, that the mallard count is just devastating right now. Mallards are at like a 50 year low because of the same drought this kid's talking about. Um,

• 28:35Steven Rinella?

  we're currently experiencing a drought, which has made the river lower than it has been in quite some time. On a walk on the river this summer with my three-year-old daughter, I found a broken off buffalo horn. See picture below, in the water wedged between some rocks. There it is. What's remarkable for you folks just listening is he's holding up a chunk of a buffalo skull, but it is coal black. Coal black, jet black.

• 29:03Steven Rinella?

  I thought this was an amazing find until I went home and showed it off to my wife and two boys. When showing my six-year-old son the horn, he said, well, dad, the other day when I was on the river, I seen two of those and they were connected.

• 29:19Speaker 06

  That's the best part.

• 29:22Steven Rinella?

  We, we went down to the river and there under the water wedged against the rock was a full buffalo skull.

• 29:30Steven Rinella?

  And he's got pictures of his little boy holding a gorgeous.

• 29:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:35Steven Rinella?

  Jet black

• 29:38Steven Rinella?

  skull. I would wonder about that you build now. You only find like something super old and cool, they put it like in a tank.

• 29:47Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 29:48Steven Rinella?

  Like if you excavate an old like boat out of the water, they'll put it in a tank of water.

• 29:53Speaker 06

  So it doesn't deteriorate.

• 29:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, knowing that once you change its environment, it's gonna go to shit.

• 29:59Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 29:59Steven Rinella?

  I feel that in six months, he's gonna be the proud owner, owner of a cardboard colored buffalo skull and not a coal black buffalo skull. I don't know what he's gonna do about this.

• 30:13Speaker 06

  The stuff about this, how big it is, is interesting to me.

• 30:17Steven Rinella?

  I hadn't got that.

• 30:19Speaker 06

  Um,

• 30:21Speaker 06

  simply because, like, is there, you can read it and then I'll ask you.

• 30:24Steven Rinella?

  He's dabbling in here without knowing it. He's dabbling in a discipline called horn core morphology.

• 30:30Speaker 06

  Which is what I'm getting at. Like what it's actually from, like.

• 30:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 30:35Speaker 06

  Cause bison antiquus was bigger and had straighter horns. And it's kind of, is it possible that's not a bison bison and it's a bison antiquus?

• 30:43Steven Rinella?

  Here's what we'll do. Nate, you're gonna have to be in charge of this.

• 30:47Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 30:47Steven Rinella?

  If he's willing, we will raise the money to have him send a gram of it to Beta Analytics in Florida. And we will settle the question. We just need 600 bucks.

• 31:03Steven Rinella?

  We'll send it in, we'll send a gram in and get it radiocarbon dated. We'll make a GoFundMe.

• 31:10Steven Rinella?

  Everyone pitches in a dollar or whatever, 50 cents, I don't know, something.

• 31:13Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 31:14Steven Rinella?

  Until we can find out how old his skull is.

• 31:17Speaker 06

  Phil, did you pull up?

• 31:18Steven Rinella?

  Minnesotans.

• 31:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 31:20Steven Rinella?

  Minnesotans, this is your duty as Minnesotans.

• 31:23Speaker 06

  That picture is why.

• 31:24Steven Rinella?

  Go to Nate's GoFundMe, which he hasn't made yet, and give a dollar. We'll, we'll work up a little kitty, a little pot of 600 bucks and send it to Beta Analytics. He just got a Dremel out of Graham out of that sucker. I've done it. I'll show them right where to get it from.

• 31:38Speaker 07

  This GoFundMe will be live when this episode drops. I don't know the name yet.

• 31:41Steven Rinella?

  It's called Minnesotans for Accurate Bison Skull Dating.

• 31:46Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 31:51Speaker 07

  Nailed it.

• 31:53Speaker 07

  I got a quick update on your kid's story, your quick kid's question.

• 31:57Steven Rinella?

  Look, I already know the answer.

• 31:59Speaker 07

  Well, what's your, well, what did you think?

• 32:01Steven Rinella?

  The blood's all right where it belongs.

• 32:03Speaker 07

  No, my brother, who's a orthopedic surgeon in the military, trauma guy, he said, if they were gradually frozen, then most blood would be shunted centrally. If they were flash frozen, probably.

• 32:13Steven Rinella?

  I think he meant flash.

• 32:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 32:15Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I'll check back.

• 32:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, text him.

• 32:18Speaker 06

  Like not getting.

• 32:19Steven Rinella?

  He's too little to text, but I'll just talk to him.

• 32:21Speaker 06

  Not getting stuck in a meat locker and freezing over the course of.

• 32:24Steven Rinella?

  I'll just have to, I'll just have to connect with him in person, I think, later today.

• 32:29Steven Rinella?

  All right, time. For the news.

• 32:34Steven Rinella?

  Wow, Trey McKinney's here, uh, youngest ever at 21. To become Angler of the Year, fresh out of the dove fields.

• 32:46Steven Rinella?

  Here he is, Trey McKinney, you there?

• 32:49Speaker 07

  Yes, sir, what's going on?

• 32:52Steven Rinella?

  Here's my first question for you. So, okay, so you're 21 years old and you just became Angler of the Year.

• 32:58Steven Rinella?

  At what age did you become aware that there was a thing called Angler of the Year?

• 33:04Speaker 07

  Honestly, like you said, there's, I was definitely to an age, probably like 16. Once I realized that actually the true meaning of it, of what it meant and what the actual title was. So I'd say probably 16, 17.

• 33:17Steven Rinella?

  Okay, so, so lay out, lay out the path to become Angler of the Year. Like, like, tell me about your, tell me about your year as a prof- Tell me about your last two years as a professional bass fisherman.

• 33:29Speaker 07

  Absolutely. Um, so yeah, you actually have to qualify through the opens. Um, there's a few different ways you can, but the main way is through the open. So it's like, you probably have, I don't know, anywhere from probably 200 plus guys, um, and they, they fish nine events and they take nine guys. And they, they take a few more if you count the, uh, bass nation and stuff, but yeah, so you have to finish in the top nine in points, um, out of the average of all these guys. Um, and then there, after you qualify for that, you qualify for the elite series of the Westmore Fishing now. Um, and then it's actually the top 100. So, and then every year, um, you is, you have to finish, uh, probably above the cut line. So it's about like the 80th place or something like that.

• 34:12Speaker 07

  Or you actually get cut and then they bring in the new nine guys.

• 34:15Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 34:16Speaker 07

  Um, so it's definitely, uh, you definitely gotta stay on top of your game, um, for sure. But once you qualify and you get in, um, you know, that's kind of the goal is like, once you get kind of settled down, get in the late series, um, a top 50 finish in A O I is definitely what, uh, everybody's goal to keep you in it. So you know, you're kind of safe. You don't have to worry about losing your, losing your career, your, uh, job, but, um, we've been really blessed these last years. Um, actually we've never, we never finished out of the top, top two out of Angler of the Year, and we finally, uh, sealed the deal this year.

• 34:45Steven Rinella?

  So you were second place two times in a row.

• 34:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, unfortunately, yeah, I'm not very good closer, I guess.

• 34:53Steven Rinella?

  But that's amazing though, man. So, so who was previously, was it, was, uh, Kevin Van Damme, was he previously the youngest Angler of the Year?

• 35:01Speaker 07

  He was.

• 35:02Steven Rinella?

  And how old, how old was he when he got it?

• 35:05Speaker 07

  Um, I think I beat him by, I think it was like three and a half years or something like that. So, uh, it was actually a pretty good margin and I didn't realize at all. It was over a thousand something days that I had beat his, beat his record. So, uh, it was, uh, it was, it was, I was pretty pumped.

• 35:21Steven Rinella?

  And then lay, lay out for me a little bit, like, like, how, how long have you been a professional bass? Like, uh, I'm assuming now you don't have, you don't do, you don't, you're way beyond having a side job, right? How long have you been?

• 35:32Speaker 07

  Yes, sir.

• 35:33Steven Rinella?

  Well, I got two questions for you, I guess. Tell us how you define a professional bass fisherman.

• 35:41Speaker 07

  Absolutely. So like, well, I guess the, how I would define it is when most of your incomes comes from any kind of spot, like any kind of sponsor. So, um, for us, like, that's where, if, if we didn't have our sponsors, there's no way we could do it. Cause you guys have seen it, gas prices, diesel prices. Absolutely insane right now.

• 35:58Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 35:58Speaker 07

  Um, so it definitely is, it makes it tough, um, because our payouts are pretty good. You know, it's a hundred grand to win one. Um, for the classic is 300 grand. Um, then you get a hundred grand for A O I and then they pay all the way down to 50th place. So if you finish good and consistent, you know, you're going to make a decent living. Um, but you know, where you actually set yourself apart, um, to be a professional angler, um, is when you mostly rely on sponsors, social media, um, stuff like that as well. And nowadays I feel like that's where, if you were actually one of the top, like 10% that, you know, I'd say a lot of the guys in the elite series, you know, there's that 10% that actually truly make a good living. Um, and that's definitely mainly related around sponsors.

• 36:42Steven Rinella?

  Okay. So at 21 years of age, how many years have you been a pro?

• 36:46Speaker 07

  Uh, two. I would say this, this is, this is, this one will be my third. Um, but before this, I was kind of, as soon as I started the elite series, we kind of went, oh, we didn't have a plan B or nothing, you know, it was kind of, that was it. You know, we didn't, we didn't have any other, no option. We didn't go to college, nothing like that. Uh, we just kind of full send it all the way. And, uh, thank, thank goodness we were blessed enough. It worked out.

• 37:08Steven Rinella?

  How, how many people in your immediate family are kind of like, he did what?

• 37:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, I, if people were a little skeptical, they're like, so you're gonna go fish for like a living, right? And I'm like, yeah, yeah, man. Like that's what I'm gonna try. And they're like, wow, okay. I didn't see that one coming. Um, but now that it's, uh, it's pretty, it's pretty special. You know, everybody's kind of coming together here in Southern Illinois and, uh, I had so many text messages from everybody reading me on.

• 37:35Steven Rinella?

  I bet, man.

• 37:36Speaker 07

  It's pretty special.

• 37:37Steven Rinella?

  I gotta tell you, you know, me interviewing you, I can only ask you dumb questions because I don't know a lot about this. The guy that could ask you good questions is Seth Morris, who's very excited that you're coming on. And he follows you, but he's fishing.

• 37:52Speaker 07

  That sounds about right.

• 37:53Steven Rinella?

  So you would have had a better interview if he wasn't fishing, but it makes sense that he's fishing because he's, he, he like, but, but he's a big fan of yours too. Um, so how, how, like, what's your vacation look like now? Do you sit back and kick it or, or like, when, when do you gotta go out and fish and compete again?

• 38:08Speaker 07

  Absolutely. So, um, right now it's hunting season. Um, that's literally, that's basically all I do is I hunt and fish. Um, just an outdoorsman. Like I feel like a lot of us, you know, it's, uh, it's kind of what I enjoy. Um, but you, usually my season will start mid-January and unfortunately that's about when all the ducks get here.

• 38:25Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 38:26Speaker 07

  Um, down here in Southern Illinois. Uh, but usually, you know, I get a lot of good weeks before that and stuff. And we usually start mid-January and then run. I usually, I have actually an in-bed truck camper, um, now, now that I invested in. And I usually run till the first week of September. Um, I come back home and then usually that's when I head to Canada, Saskatchewan or anywhere like that and stay up there for, you know, two weeks to a month and over a month. And, uh, just kind of work my way back, waterfowl hunting. Um, all the way here to Southern Illinois. And you know, we do some, got some big whitetail here, uh, a little bit north of me is definitely a lot better. Um, but no, we got some good deer and you know, pretty much live in the woods and in a field after fishing season's over.

• 39:06Steven Rinella?

  Okay, here's a couple of quickies for you.

• 39:08Speaker 05

  Hold on, are you, I feel like you're already wrapping it up. We're not going to go into the forward-facing sonar with Trey?

• 39:14Speaker 07

  Hey, we can, hey, I'm in it. Let's debate it. Let's do it.

• 39:17Steven Rinella?

  Oh, uh, I don't want to hit him up. That's probably sick to hear about. There's just a big article in the Wall Street Journal.

• 39:23Speaker 05

  Right.

• 39:24Steven Rinella?

  About him and the Canadian and forward-facing sonar. I just assumed he's sick of talking about it. We'll ask him about it. Can I ask my two quickies?

• 39:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:32Steven Rinella?

  I'm gonna ask my two quickies and I'm handing it over to Yanis. Small mouth bass or large mouth bass? There's not, there is a wrong answer to this.

• 39:40Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, it, it, they're so different that it's hard to pick one or the other because there's so many positives and negatives of both. Um, but man, a big, like a giant, large mouth, like a Texan, uh, it's, it's hard, it's hard to beat that.

• 39:55Steven Rinella?

  That's, that's, that's the wrong answer. I'm sorry.

• 39:59Steven Rinella?

  Now, remove the, okay, remove the professional aspect of it.

• 40:04Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 40:04Steven Rinella?

  Someone comes to you, okay, like a, like a, like a supreme emperor being comes to you and says, Trey, you can hunt or fish? You can't do both.

• 40:16Steven Rinella?

  But there's no professional part of it.

• 40:19Speaker 07

  Uh huh.

• 40:19Steven Rinella?

  What do you say?

• 40:21Speaker 07

  I feel like, I feel like I'm also gonna pick hunting. I mean, mainly because I probably do fishing for a job, but the camaraderie and like, you know, just the hanging out with your buddies, uh, the memories that you have. I mean, you can have it in fishing, but man, all the ones that I remember seem like they come from the field or the woods and, uh, I don't know, it's pretty special moment when you got, when you got your buddies and the right people you surround yourself with and out in nature. I mean, it's just, yeah, I know you have plenty of those moments. It's, uh, it's pretty special.

• 40:48Steven Rinella?

  You know, I used to very much agree. And now that I'm in my 50s,

• 40:55Steven Rinella?

  I switched my answer to fishing. Because I just think that- I mean, I think you could fish to the bitter end, man.

• 41:04Speaker 07

  You can.

• 41:05Steven Rinella?

  Like if your kids can get you into a boat, you're fishing. You know, I mean, I just feel like if I had to pick now, if I was being strategic, I would now go fishing because I'm like, dude, I'm gonna fish till the day I, I mean, I'll literally be fishing on the day I die. I hope. I hope.

• 41:21Speaker 05

  You could be shooting doves off of a bucket on that day too.

• 41:26Steven Rinella?

  That's true. If it's dove season, but it's always fishing season. I'm switching to fishing. Like my, I just switched. I officially switched. Okay, Yanni's gonna take over. He's gonna ask you the hard hitting questions. Everybody wants to hear.

• 41:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to set it up so that we can, we can, everybody knows what this is. Uh, Brody, you might have to help.

• 41:46Steven Rinella?

  We talk, we talk about this so much.

• 41:48Speaker 06

  If they don't know what forward facing sonar is now.

• 41:51Speaker 05

  Alright, so everybody knows what forward facing sonar is. In these tournaments that, uh, Trey is in, it's become so contentious and, and, uh, correct me if I'm wrong here, but that like in your, uh, the, the entire tournament season, they split the tournaments in half. Where half of them, you can use this new technology and some you can't, or the other half you can't. A lot of people thought that this new crop of younger anglers like yourself, is there anybody younger than you on the, on the tournament?

• 42:22Speaker 07

  Uh, it's close now. Like, I know, like, uh, yeah, last year I was definitely the youngest, but now it's close.

• 42:27Speaker 05

  Alright, so, you know, sub 25, sub 30 year olds that are all using this technology to catch fish. And people thought that since they said in half the tournaments, you wouldn't be able to use this.

• 42:37Steven Rinella?

  They'd all shit the bed.

• 42:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, these guys would not be able to catch a fish. Turned out that wasn't the case. At least it wasn't the case for Trey.

• 42:44Steven Rinella?

  It's the biggest nah in the world. As they take his forward facing sonar away, he still wins.

• 42:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I guess, I don't know, I don't have a specific question prepared on the heels of that, but off the top of my head, I guess, when they made that rule, and you knew that you were gonna, that you weren't gonna be able to use the, the technology for half of, of your tournaments, were you like, oh no? Or were you like, oh, no big deal. I was fishing like this for 10 years before I ever had forward facing sonar?

• 43:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, I definitely more of that case because like when we started, of course, we didn't have it, right? Like, so it was just, just like normal fishing, you know? Um, but like to me, like the forward facing is like a tool, right? So like, for me, it's about efficiency. So it's like anything else. It's just, it's just makes you way more efficient and fast and like you can cover a lot more water and understand what's going on. Um, so yeah, they did, you know, honestly, it's kind of crazy because the older folks that, uh, is doing most of the complaining and, you know, about it, um, they actually had the tool first. Um, but, uh, they just didn't, I guess, uh, learn it as well. And, uh, the younger guys come in and, uh, you know, it was, it was the deal because it made you so efficient.

• 43:57Speaker 07

  Like now, you know, I go out to the lake and if I turn my forward facing off, you know, it takes me 10 times to hit this brush pile, you know, but if I turn it on, you know, I can hit one cast and hit right in the middle of the brush pile. Uh, so yeah, it just comes down for me, I just like it because it's an efficiency game. Like I, I just get tired caught up by fishing a spot if it don't got no fish, you know? Or not, not only that, I like if I'm casting, at least I know my bait's in a high percentage area. So like, you know, that's, that's the big deal for me. I like keeping it in a high percentage area, uh, where I have good odds all day long. You know, that's, that's the whole thing about fishing, you know? If you, if you keep your bait in the highest percentage odds all day long, most likely you're gonna finish, you know, out of the top five.

• 44:39Speaker 07

  Um, if you're fishing enough with it. So it's, uh, it's definitely a controversial term for sure in bass fishing right now. Like, that's the word that gets everybody riled up, live scope, but.

• 44:49Steven Rinella?

  Would you go, would you fish a tournament that was, let's say there was a tournament and it had a normal paycheck? Or a normal, what do you call it? I don't know, like a prize?

• 44:58Speaker 07

  Purse.

• 44:59Steven Rinella?

  A, a normal purse. And, and the, the tournament was like zero live scope. No live scope in this tournament at all. Would you be like, great, I'm in?

• 45:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, I definitely wouldn't be like, hey, yeah, you know, like, but I would definitely be like, let's do it, you know? It, it doesn't really affect me. Uh, no, it's definitely, it's because it's still just fishing like anything else, you know? There's, there's plenty of stuff that kind of goes, I guess, coexist with it, but, uh, no, I, it's still fishing to me. You know, you're still going out there trying to get as many bites as you can, um, and catch as many fish as you can. So honestly, you know, the game stays the same. It just makes it a little different, you know? When you're able to use those tools, whether it'd be like, you know, hunting, I get, I mean, this is not the, it's same, but like with Onyx, right? So like, if, if you have your Onyx and you're more efficient, knowing exactly which ways you can go up the mountains, how you can go up, how you can, you know, track down or cut a deer off or however.

• 45:53Speaker 07

  Um, but without that, it's a little harder because you kind of gotta, you know, just kind of guess, you know what I mean? Not guess, but.

• 45:58Steven Rinella?

  You gotta go over there first and have a look, yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 07

  Exactly. Yeah. You're a little bit more efficient with it. So that's how I, I guess, see it, a live scope for me is like, I just like it because it's a great tool, you know? I, I know exactly what I'm getting into when I'm there and, uh, makes life a little easier.

• 46:14Speaker 05

  Alright, possibly as contentious as forward facing sonar?

• 46:21Speaker 05

  Come on. Do you eat largemouth?

• 46:23Steven Rinella?

  You can't ask him this question.

• 46:24Speaker 05

  Why not?

• 46:25Steven Rinella?

  Because you're putting them on the spot.

• 46:27Speaker 05

  Do you eat them? Or, and then if you say no, do you have any, any problems with people that do eat the bass?

• 46:34Speaker 07

  No, actually a lot of times. So it depends. Like, well, now if you're keeping like six pounders, I'm gonna be like, bro.

• 46:44Speaker 07

  For sure. Like that's, that's a problem. But, uh, but no, like if, if you're just helping, like honestly, it helps a lot of fisheries out, right? Because like, a lot of them will have too high of a population where they, you know, they don't have enough to eat so they get stunted. And then, you know, you won't have any big fish to catch. So it is, I tell a lot of people, if you're in a high populated area where there's a ton of fish from 14 inches to, you know, 16 or 17, those are the perfect to eat. Like, and honestly, when you do take them out and you knock the sides off of them, it honestly will help that fishery a lot because it gives a lot of the other sources of life to get food, you know? It's, it's not such a race and not, no, no skinny, you know, it's an unhealthy fishery when you got too many.

• 47:27Speaker 07

  But when it's just right and we have people where they take them out, eat them, uh, that's when you grow the biggest ones.

• 47:32Steven Rinella?

  So you, you like to fry them up, obviously?

• 47:35Speaker 07

  It, I do both. You know, bass, what I like about it is a little bit, you know, harder. So like you can grill it or something like that where when you kind of get underneath it, you know, it don't just all just fall apart.

• 47:45Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 47:45Speaker 07

  Um, so it does. You can actually black it in on a grill and it, and it's honestly, it's quite tasty. I love it. But frying it is definitely a good option. You can't, can't go wrong with that.

• 47:54Steven Rinella?

  Okay, last question. You married or anything like that?

• 47:57Speaker 07

  I do have a girlfriend, uh, going on a year and a half now. So.

• 48:00Steven Rinella?

  Nice work.

• 48:01Speaker 07

  Still early for a lot of people, but now it's, uh, it's going really well.

• 48:04Steven Rinella?

  Congratulations. Alright, everybody. Trey McKinney, youngest ever

• 48:10Steven Rinella?

  to an angler of the year. Congratulations. Good luck on your fall. You just came out of the, uh, you, you've been hitting some doves. Sounds like you got deer plans, duck plans, fish plans?

• 48:21Speaker 07

  Yes, sir.

• 48:22Steven Rinella?

  Alright, man. Enjoy it, buddy. Thanks for coming on.

• 48:24Speaker 05

  Thanks, Trey.

• 48:25Speaker 07

  I appreciate it. Thanks for the opportunity as well, man. Have a good day.

• 48:28Steven Rinella?

  Take it easy.

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• 50:03Steven Rinella?

  All right, Bryce Stubbs.

• 50:06Speaker 06

  How's it going?

• 50:06Steven Rinella?

  Welcome into the studio.

• 50:08Speaker 06

  Yes, this is great. Happy to be here.

• 50:10Steven Rinella?

  Tell us what 100 cooks is, man.

• 50:12Speaker 06

  So it was a cooking competition show. Uh, it was the first season ever and the premise was taking home cooks from America and they, they found a hundred of us and they flew us all to LA. And then it was just a competition.

• 50:25Steven Rinella?

  How'd they find you?

• 50:26Speaker 06

  So for me, they found me on Instagram. So I would post like cooking videos and stuff when I was in college and it was kind of just a hobby thing, you know, like meal preps for my friends. And then, uh, yeah, they found me on that and I thought it was a scam, so I didn't respond for like four days. I had this DM and I was like, that's not real. This is back in December of 2025. And then four days go by, I'm like, what's gonna hurt? You know, I was like working in the oil fields, it was on my phone probably too much anyways. I was like, I'll just respond. She gets back to me right away and she's like, let's have a phone call like at 10 tomorrow. And I was like, okay, maybe it's real. Chatted with her for like five minutes and she was like, yeah, you seem like a good fit for the show. We're gonna send you to the head casting director.

• 51:05Steven Rinella?

  What?

• 51:05Speaker 06

  Maybe this is real. And then the next day.

• 51:07Steven Rinella?

  They'd already watched all your videos.

• 51:08Speaker 06

  They must've seen a couple of my videos.

• 51:10Steven Rinella?

  They must've known something about you.

• 51:11Speaker 06

  Or like did a little bit of research, but then I kind of just started talking about like my story and like the jobs I've worked and the stuff I've done. And they were just like interested in that, I think. And they're like, well, we can build something off of this.

• 51:22Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 51:22Speaker 06

  And then I talked to the head casting director, uh, the next day at a zoom call. So like happened really fast. It was in the beginning of December and we had like a 30 minute conversation. And then he like stopped it at the end and he's like, dude, you're gonna be great for the show. He's like, this is like, he's like, I think you'll do good on this. He's like, if you don't get on this, he's like, we'll get you on guys grocery games or something else, you know? And I was like, oh, cool, you know, like.

• 51:42Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 51:42Speaker 06

  Must've went well.

• 51:43Steven Rinella?

  It's all it takes.

• 51:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, and then he took that and I guess they cut it down to like three minutes and then sent it to the head producers of the show. And then Christmas time came, New Year's, New Year's came. And so it was just like dark for like three weeks. And I was kind of like, all right, well, is this gonna happen or not? I have to go, I was working in the oil fields at the time.

• 52:00Steven Rinella?

  Where, uh, you, you, where, what oil fields?

• 52:02Speaker 06

  So I was in Wright, Wyoming, in Gillette, Wyoming, working there. And then I, my last hitch I did in March after the show, I went to North Dakota. So it was over by Stanley.

• 52:12Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 52:13Speaker 06

  Um, but yeah, so I was out, I was about to start my next hitch in January and I was just kind of waiting for the show. Cause they're like, it's gonna be the third week of January, we're gonna film, we'll fly you down. Uh, and so the 14th, I was supposed to start my next hitch. The 13th, I got an email and I was like, hey, you made it on the show. We bought your flights to LA. Hope these work. Like you're flying down in seven days.

• 52:33Steven Rinella?

  Huh.

• 52:33Speaker 06

  And I was like, I have a job. Yeah, so I had to call my boss and like explain what I had going on. And he was kind of like on the fence, like, well, you know, we kind of need you and like this and that. Then his wife found out and she got like to him and was like, he's going to Hollywood, you know? I'm like, he's gonna go down there and he's gonna cook. And so then they're like, yeah, you go ahead, go ahead.

• 52:52Steven Rinella?

  Huh.

• 52:52Speaker 06

  It was great, cause that's when we had that cold snap and it was like negative 45 in Stanley, like with the wind chill.

• 52:57Steven Rinella?

  Like soccer.

• 52:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, my brother was up there working and I'm like in my king size bed and you know, in the Hilton in LA. I was like, this is great, you know, it's like vacation for me.

• 53:05Steven Rinella?

  So how long were you down there? How long did it take to film this, the show?

• 53:08Speaker 06

  So how it worked is they, they flew us all down there at the same time. Uh, we got it on a Thursday, it was, it was like 15 days total, I think I was there.

• 53:15Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 53:16Speaker 06

  The Friday, we had like a media day, so we did like an interview, like who you are, why you're here. And then Saturday, dark day, and then Sunday was the first day of filming. Um, and it was, it was cutthroat, like the first challenge, there was like 11 people called down and I think seven were eliminated right off the bat. And if you get eliminated, like they fly you home the next day, like they're not gonna pay for you to stay.

• 53:34Steven Rinella?

  So then you, so you're saying that you sort of like within a day or whatever, you went from 100 to.

• 53:41Speaker 06

  I think episode two, there was 74 left.

• 53:43Steven Rinella?

  So they're getting right to it.

• 53:44Speaker 06

  Yeah, they like went straight to the point. Like we didn't, we didn't know anything when we showed up, like we got, it was a, like a, an old abandoned Ikea building. So it was massive and we didn't know the judges, we didn't know the host.

• 53:55Steven Rinella?

  All kinds of unassembled, uh, unassembled deck.

• 53:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, the hiding.

• 53:59Steven Rinella?

  Furnishings everywhere.

• 54:00Speaker 06

  No, they've turned it into like a full on cooking studio with like massive commercial fridges and like everything to store all their stuff for all the shows that they run out of it. Um, but yeah, so no one knew what was going on, like everyone was kind of in the dark and it was just a lot of sitting and waiting. And then they, we found out and then they called us down and I was like, oh, this is, this is real life. And I was like seeing people cry and getting cut off the show and I was like.

• 54:19Steven Rinella?

  And they're telling you, like, give me an example of a challenge. Like you come down in the morning or whatever and they tell you to do what?

• 54:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, so like we'd go on set, they'd run through like everybody clap, everybody cheer, kind of get the B roll stuff for the show. And it felt really weird because there's like thousands of cameras everywhere and I'm just sitting like, oh, I've never been, you know, in a studio like that or ever actually. And, uh, so the first challenge, they have this big rolling machine. It's got like balls in it and each ball says like a certain challenge and they have another rolling machine. They call them like the mixers and it's got a hundred balls from one to a hundred. And every one of us has a number on our apron and we're sitting in a chair and there's a big number behind us. That's our number. It was like Squid Games kind of feel.

• 54:59Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 55:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was weird. And then they would roll the first one and it'd be like best noodle dish. And like Terry Crews is the host, like best noodle dish challenge. And then, you know, he'd be like, all right, I need 11 cooks for this one. He'd walk to the mixer and one at a time, he'd roll this mixer and then pull a ball out. Be like number 26 and then they had to come down and you'd have to wait until everyone gets called down. And then he'd be like.

• 55:23Steven Rinella?

  And what was your number?

• 55:25Speaker 06

  39.

• 55:26Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 55:26Speaker 06

  So.

• 55:27Steven Rinella?

  And that best noodles, were you hoping, I hope they don't get my number?

• 55:30Speaker 06

  I would have been okay with it. I was like, I definitely don't want to be the first person to go down and cook, but my head, I was like, just don't go home episode one. I was like, every cooking show I've ever watched, I was like, there's always the guy goes home episode one. And like if I, if that happened to me, I was gonna tell nobody I went on Food Network. I was like, I was gonna come home, like, I'm not gonna ever talk about this again if I get cut the first episode.

• 55:48Speaker 05

  See, I feel like those producers, when they cast you, they're like, this guy is top 20 material. And they cast those other people, like I, I'm reading here in the notes that you beat, uh, an old lady in the first round. They cast her to lose in the first round.

• 56:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, so that's where like, there was obvious, like you still have to cook, you know? It's like, it's, it can't be rigged because you have to go down there and cook. And like I watched it, but like as far as the number drawing goes, it's still TV. It's reality TV. And so the first challenge goes, you know, I see seven people get eliminated and, uh, next challenge, I, I turned to this guy behind me. I'm like, dude, imagine if they did like a one on one challenge. He's like, oh, that would be crazy, you know? Right after Terry pulls a ball and he goes rotisserie chicken challenge and he goes, I only need two cooks for this challenge. And I was like, okay, there's no way, like one on one challenge, I was like, they're not gonna pick me. Like there's 92 other people up here in the stands, like there's no way I'm gonna be picked.

• 56:41Steven Rinella?

  Sure.

• 56:41Speaker 06

  First number that comes out is mine. And so then I'm walking down the stands, it's the second challenge of the whole show.

• 56:46Steven Rinella?

  And you feel like you're watching this little ball deal.

• 56:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:49Steven Rinella?

  You feel like it's a legit ball deal.

• 56:51Speaker 06

  So that's what I don't know is like, how can they have put, with like, did they put a bunch of 39s in there? You know what I mean? Or did they, like, is there someone's hands back there? Like, cause it would mess up sometimes. And like, that's the thing where they put the lady. So she was in her seventies, she survived the noodle dish challenge and how it works, if you get the best dish, you get immunity for the episode.

• 57:10Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 57:11Speaker 06

  If you get whatever, if they decide to keep four out of 11, you're safe, but you can get your ball thrown back in the mixer.

• 57:17Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 57:18Speaker 06

  So her ball gets thrown back in the mixer and she had just survived the other round. She probably got like second or third place and everyone in the crowd loved her, you know, like we're all home cooks. And it's like, oh, you know, Antoinette, she survived, you know? Everyone was calling her Nona, she had like a catchphrase after the first cook.

• 57:30Steven Rinella?

  What was your catchphrase?

• 57:32Speaker 06

  Uh, toast that bread, because she forgot to toast the bread and she told the judge she would toast the bread if she got a chance.

• 57:37Steven Rinella?

  What was your catchphrase?

• 57:38Speaker 06

  I didn't, well, I didn't have a catchphrase really. I was trying to just figure things out when I was there. Um, they did get, I'll tell you the nickname they gave me after, because it was pretty funny, but I went, so I got called down and like, I knew everybody was like, who's this? I was like wearing a real tree camo shirt, like who's this guy? And I'm like, I'm from Montana and like, I was like, where's Montana at? And like, like a lot of people there genuinely didn't know like where it was. And then they call her number right after and everyone's like, she's cooking like twice in a row, like what the heck? But it's like, take the youngest guy who's from like Montana and then like this Italian like grandma and like put them against each other. I was like, that doesn't just, you know, happen by chance. Uh, and so, yeah, we had to cook off, um, we had a rotisserie chicken.

• 58:18Speaker 06

  We had 35 minutes, I think, to make the better dish using like rotisserie chicken like pre-cooked.

• 58:24Steven Rinella?

  Oh, huh?

• 58:25Speaker 06

  Yeah. So it wasn't, it was like a fun challenge, you know, cause it's like, it's still like home cooks. And so they're trying to like, make sure like people like relate. Um, and like, I mean, I use rotisserie chicken all the time. It's great, it's quick. Uh, yeah, so we both had to make our own dish and, uh, I ended up beating her. And like after I won, everyone in the crowd was like, oh, like no one was excited. Like it was so hard.

• 58:47Steven Rinella?

  So like, this Montana dude, you just gotta get out of here.

• 58:49Speaker 06

  I couldn't relish it at all, like, I was like, you know, excited, but then like everyone was like, oh no. And so I gave her a hug and like felt bad. And then the next day on set, so we filmed, the only episode filmed over two days was episode one. And so I had immunity now because I had the best dish in that round. So the next day I like showed up, you know, like in my slippers and I was like, I don't have to cook today cause I have immunity and I was kind of enjoying the day on set, watching other people go up. And they all started calling me the Granny Slayer and it like stuck. And so everyone was like, oh, there's the Granny Slayer from Montana, like the Granny Slayer. And it was so funny cause I was like, they're gonna run with this. And so then I had to do an interview after.

• 59:27Steven Rinella?

  You like, can I switch it to like Buck Slayer?

• 59:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, anything else. Like the first guy I met on the, on the, like, the ride to the hotel was like, I'm gonna call you Cowboy. I was like, yeah, that's, I like that, you know, I'll take that. Then as soon as it switched to Granny Slayer, I was like, this isn't gonna be good. And then the producers would kind of play with that a little bit, like after my interview of winning, they're like, so why did you think you would beat her? Like, why did you have so much confidence going in just like, you knew you were gonna beat her? And I was like, whoa, I didn't, I didn't say that, you know, but they were trying to get me to like, play a part and stuff and, but they were, they were pretty good about all that. Like they were upfront in the beginning. They're like, you know, you guys are just regular people, like, we wanna make you look good. We don't want you to like, we're not trying to create stories here. Like if you act like this, we're gonna make you look like this, cause that's how you're acting.

• 1:00:09Speaker 06

  So it was nice, cause it was like, a lot of people just gotta go on, you know, it's like doctors, lawyers, people like that. There's a lot of, there's some content creators on there, like food people like that.

• 1:00:19Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:19Speaker 06

  Um, but it was just people kind of going on, telling their story and everyday like home cooks, which was kind of a cool thing to see, cause I think in a lot of cooking shows, there's a lot more ego involved in like chefs.

• 1:00:30Speaker 05

  Do you really feel like you're an everyday home cook though? Cause I feel like that's what I call myself. And I look at someone with your accolades.

• 1:00:37Steven Rinella?

  Dude, he's coming out of the oil fields, man.

• 1:00:39Speaker 06

  I, I got, it was, it couldn't have been more perfect timing for me. So like, I, I grew up in Churchill, went to high school in Manhattan, went to college at MSU.

• 1:00:49Steven Rinella?

  Manhattan, Montana.

• 1:00:51Speaker 06

  Manhattan, Montana.

• 1:00:51Steven Rinella?

  Montana State University.

• 1:00:53Speaker 06

  Amsterdam Elementary, Montana. Not, yeah. Um, but I graduated.

• 1:00:57Steven Rinella?

  He's not an international player.

• 1:00:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, I go from Amsterdam with school in Manhattan. Uh, I graduated from MSU with a finance degree.

• 1:01:03Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:01:04Speaker 06

  And through college, I'd always cooked for my friends and like Gold Rush and just like, started posting videos and just having fun with it. Then I started doing some like catch and cook stuff and I was like, I really like, like cooking a lot and I've had this passion forever. But I was like, I'll never wanna like make my passion my job, cause it'll ruin it, is what I thought in my younger mind. And then, uh, I graduated school and to get through school, I had a firewood business. So I was cutting firewood in the valley and like, had to deal with like Yellowstone National Park. I started in high school and it was all really good and I, you know, finished college, graduated, sold the firewood business. And then I started like just working construction, trying to figure it out. And everyone's like, why wouldn't you keep the firewood business? You know, I was like, I don't wanna cut, cut firewood the rest of my life.

• 1:01:44Steven Rinella?

  What, what were you getting per cord?

• 1:01:46Speaker 06

  So I, when I first started, I was two twenty-five for pine, two seventy-five for fir. And then fir is just so questionable when you get it, like you can cut into it and it could be like rotten or it could be like rock hard, still green. Uh, so I just ended up switching to lodge pole pine. And then, I mean, after COVID, cause I started the business in high school, which was my senior year. So it was twenty twenty, twenty nineteen, with just like a log splitter and a chainsaw.

• 1:02:10Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 06

  And then it started growing and I got like a commercial like processor and stuff. And I just switched only to like lodge pole pine. And then I would just do like sixteen inch cuts and it's all split, delivered and like nothing else. Cause people get specific.

• 1:02:22Steven Rinella?

  Can I ask you a question? This is a regional question. If I say to you, if I say to you.

• 1:02:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Steven Rinella?

  Um, I would, no, I, I say to you, I would like to buy a rick.

• 1:02:33Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:34Steven Rinella?

  Do you know what I'm talking about?

• 1:02:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's like a third of an actual cord. Is what it is. Yeah. Cause a cord is, it's a four by four by eight, which I'm, I'm not sure.

• 1:02:42Steven Rinella?

  Sixteen inch logs.

• 1:02:43Speaker 06

  What's the cubic, like?

• 1:02:45Steven Rinella?

  Hundred and twenty.

• 1:02:46Speaker 06

  Is it a hundred and twenty-eight?

• 1:02:47Steven Rinella?

  Hundred and twenty-eight cubic feet.

• 1:02:48Speaker 06

  So it doesn't matter what the measurement is, as long as it's a hundred and twenty-eight cubic.

• 1:02:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, but people don't want four foot logs.

• 1:02:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Steven Rinella?

  They want sixteen.

• 1:02:54Speaker 06

  Definitely.

• 1:02:54Steven Rinella?

  A rick is a face cord.

• 1:02:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:56Steven Rinella?

  That's all, let's not, let's not, yeah, I don't wanna go down that hole.

• 1:02:59Speaker 06

  A lot of firewood stuff.

• 1:03:00Steven Rinella?

  Just call it firewood.

• 1:03:01Speaker 06

  Just bringing me back.

• 1:03:02Speaker 05

  Just made Steve's day.

• 1:03:04Steven Rinella?

  We had no idea you were a firewood man.

• 1:03:05Speaker 06

  Stubbs firewood. It was my, my business, my first business. It was pretty fun.

• 1:03:09Steven Rinella?

  I wanna jump from firewood to like the final deal. So the final deal, how many people are left? When you go into the final, the final challenge, where you gotta cook your meat, you're, you gotta cook your big meal.

• 1:03:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Steven Rinella?

  Your showcase personal meal. How many, how many, how many people are there?

• 1:03:24Speaker 06

  So the last episode, there's eight of us in the finale. And so the night before, uh, it was funny, they're kind of told us like, hey, it's gonna be eight of you. This is the most info we got, like on the challenges.

• 1:03:34Steven Rinella?

  It's gonna be what?

• 1:03:36Speaker 06

  It's gonna be, there's gonna be eight of us in the finale, the night before.

• 1:03:38Steven Rinella?

  I, I understand.

• 1:03:39Speaker 06

  Eight cooks, yeah.

• 1:03:39Steven Rinella?

  Sorry.

• 1:03:40Speaker 06

  And, uh, they were like, this is the first time we got any info about what the challenge is gonna be about. They're like, you're gonna make breakfast, lunch and dinner tomorrow. And like, just think of any ideas for breakfast, lunch or dinner. We're like, we're gonna throw some twists in there, obviously. And, uh, they're asking us all in this little meeting, the culinary directors, cause they get you what you need as far as ingredients go.

• 1:03:57Steven Rinella?

  So they're running back and forth to the store?

• 1:03:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, yep, essentially. And so before we flew, before I even left Montana, uh, every cook was allowed five additional ingredients. So they gave us an entire pantry list and it was just massive. And I just sifted through it and they're like, five things that you want that aren't on the list. And so I asked for, uh, tar root, huckleberries, elk tenderloin, um, Anaheim chili peppers, Oaxaca cheese.

• 1:04:24Steven Rinella?

  But this is when there's still a hundred of you.

• 1:04:27Speaker 06

  Yes, there's still a hundred of us. And so I asked for these ingredients, cause I was like, if I can use these and highlight these, that would just be fun for me, you know, like, this is cool. Like, there's no way they're gonna find this stuff probably anyways. Send it out, get on the show. I cooked, I think eight meals before the finale. And every time, I, I used like the Anaheim peppers and Oaxaca cheese a couple of different times, like in Mexican dishes. But the huckleberries, the tar root and the elk, I could never find a way to make it make sense. And so I was like, I'm not gonna force this in there when it's not necessary, you know, I just need to follow the challenges and hope for the best. So the night before, they're asking everybody like, you know, what do you guys need for ingredients? And someone's like, oh, do you have like this sea bass? And someone else like, oh yeah, like I might use that too. And I was like, you guys have my elk tenderloin?

• 1:05:08Speaker 06

  And they, everyone around me, like all the other cooks, like, don't worry, like no one's gonna touch your elk tenderloin. Like we don't even know what that is. And then the lady was like, yeah, you know how hard it was to find the huckleberries too? Cause this is in March. They had it. They found frozen huckleberries. And so they're like, we have your huckleberries. She's like, those took a week to get. And she's like, your elk took two weeks to get and they kept it frozen. So it was still good. Um, but I had no idea like what it looked like or anything like that. So they had all of my stuff there. The next day, uh, eight of us start out cooking breakfast and they have, you have to make something stacked or stuffed. And so the day before I had made like this chili relleno inspired pizza. And so I was like, I can't make like a Mexican, like I wanna do like a chila quiles, but I was like, I can't do that. So similar to like yesterday's dish.

• 1:05:50Steven Rinella?

  Do you have, do you have family from Mexico?

• 1:05:52Speaker 06

  Yeah, my grandma and my mom are from Mexico. Yeah, yeah. And so that, yeah, there's a lot of.

• 1:05:57Steven Rinella?

  I figured it must be a connection.

• 1:05:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. Um, and so I decided to make like a tiramisu crepe. And I made that and I was like, I'm gonna show off that I can do like a little like dessert kind of stuff.

• 1:06:07Steven Rinella?

  Dude, you're way beyond me, man. I don't even know where to begin on that. Yeah.

• 1:06:11Speaker 06

  Well, it was, it, it went well. I survived that one. And then the next one, um, there was five of us and they're like, all right, you have to highlight jalapeno or an apple in your lunch dish. And Terry looks at me, he's like, Bryce, what are you gonna do? And I'm like, like, come on. I obviously wanna do a jalapeno. Like it makes sense. Like I'm gonna use that as my highlighted ingredient. And so I made a, like a shrimp ceviche tostada. And I used like the jalapeno like four different ways. So I did like, like a sh, uh, in this, the ceviche, there was raw jalapeno, jalapeno. I did a chipotle powder, which is just a dried jalapeno. And I tossed the tostadas in that. So they had like a dusting of that. I charred a jalapeno and made like an aioli and that was like my sauce base on the bottom.

• 1:06:53Speaker 06

  And then at the very end, I just cut up some slices and like tossed them cornstarch and fried them and had like crispy jalapenos on top. And survived that. And so now it's just two cooks, uh, me and this guy Doug, we make it into the, the finale. And so right before, um, we go to our little break, Terry's like, this is the final challenge. It's like make a dinner worth two hundred and fifteen thousand dollars. This is the most important dinner of your life. And he's like, you can make whatever you want. And then he let us go outside for like a half an hour. And we couldn't have our phones or anything like that, but you just kind of sit out and wait.

• 1:07:24Steven Rinella?

  They don't want you looking up recipes.

• 1:07:26Speaker 06

  I don't, maybe that, like, yeah, that's, that's a part of it. Like we were allowed to have a little notebook of recipes that we could write down and it had to be a certain size, you know, all those things. Um, so you could check that, but yeah, you couldn't have your phone at all. Uh, and they were resetting the kitchen too. So after you cook, they have to reset it. So the judges come out and then they actually brought in a live audience too, for the final cook. So they brought a hundred people in. And so when we came back in, I was like, oh, here we go. You know, I thought it was gonna be just me.

• 1:07:50Speaker 05

  Pressure.

• 1:07:51Speaker 06

  Yeah. Uh, but the time I was out there, I was like, thinking about like, what am I gonna make? And it hit me right away. I was like, there's three ingredients I haven't used. And I was like, all three of those ingredients are like, part of like the story of my life. Like that's like what I like am about. Like I elk every week, you know, huckleberries are from Montana. The tar root, I got it cause I had it in Vietnam and I've been lucky to travel a lot, like for my age. And so I had tar root frites there. And I was like, I'm gonna incorporate that too somehow. And then I did like a smoky corn puree as well, like as like an ode to my grandma. Like I remember her flipping whole corn on the cob, like her bare hands, you know, and so I did that as well. And so I made like a seared elk tenderloin with a huckleberry reduction, tar root frites, and then a smoky corn puree.

• 1:08:34Steven Rinella?

  Kick dog's ass.

• 1:08:36Steven Rinella?

  Kick dog's ass.

• 1:08:37Speaker 06

  So as I was thinking about it, I was like, it just felt more and more like every part of it was like me in Montana. And then I'm like, man, I was like, I'm gonna pitch this to the judges. Like this is how like I'm gonna, you know, this is the story of my life. That's the name of this dish. And I was thinking about it. Went in, cooked, and it was so funny, cause like, normally I was doing pretty good. I had all my stuff organized while I was cooking and I had every single bowl, mixer, tasting spoon, like all laid out over like two benches, cause we had the whole kitchen. And they were walking by like, Bryce, what is going on? Like you have stuff everywhere. And I had so many things working at the same time, like getting the huckleberries reduced, frying those tar root frites. You gotta, you gotta soak them in water to get all the toxins and all that starch out of there. And I overcooked my elk tenderloin.

• 1:09:18Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:09:18Speaker 06

  Cause I got, I got them and I cut open the bag and it wasn't a whole tenderloin. They were pre sliced and they were like, maybe an inch thick. And so I saw him, I was like, all right, like I gotta be very, very careful about how I cook these. So I seared them hot, fast, and then butter basted. And I was like, I'll just set them in the oven.

• 1:09:35Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:09:36Speaker 06

  Let them keep warm, and then I'll cut them at the end. They'll have plenty of time to rest. Cut into them, and it was like a gradient, like medium to like medium well.

• 1:09:45Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:09:45Speaker 06

  So I cut out the medium wells, you know, and like tried to put as many mediums. There's a little bit of medium.

• 1:09:49Steven Rinella?

  You were high grading.

• 1:09:50Speaker 06

  Yeah. And it was, it was tough because I was like, it was so funny because the one thing that I should have been able to nail.

• 1:09:56Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:57Speaker 06

  Was that like that elk tenderloin. I should have been fine on that. But thankfully, I put so much work into all the other ingredients, you know? It highlighted like everything else and it came together as one dish.

• 1:10:07Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:07Speaker 06

  And then funny enough, Doug, he cooked a pork chop. He did like a, I think it was some Chinese like pork chop recipe. And he grabbed a big old pork chop. When he pulled it out, it was raw in the center. So he had to cut it in half and quick pantsier it real quick to just get it up to temp. And he dried it out. And so when they were like, you guys both overcooked your proteins.

• 1:10:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:26Speaker 06

  I was like, here we go. You know, it's like now it's like just based on the overall at this point. And I had more components. Um, and yeah, I mean, I thought, you know, I thought I had a really good dish.

• 1:10:36Steven Rinella?

  So do you think if you, do you think if you'd have done that pork chop perfect, he'd have, he'd have beat you?

• 1:10:40Speaker 06

  That I don't know.

• 1:10:41Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:42Speaker 06

  I think it's, it's tough. Based on those two dishes alone, like, I feel like I put a lot into like that, the work that went into that dish. Um, and it wasn't like my, my steak wasn't gray. You know what I mean? Like it was still like edible, but yeah, I don't know. I think it still would have been close.

• 1:10:58Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 1:10:58Speaker 06

  Yeah. But it definitely helped like that he also overcooked his.

• 1:11:01Steven Rinella?

  So do they come marching out with a, with a like a, um, giant check?

• 1:11:07Speaker 06

  Not so.

• 1:11:08Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, those big ones where like takes two people to hold them up.

• 1:11:10Speaker 06

  So how it works is like, I found out I won. A confetti fell and everything. There were some people that were in the show that were competing that like I was friends with at that point. That came in the stands and watched because they hadn't flown out yet. They all came down, like hugged me, congratulated me.

• 1:11:24Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:24Speaker 06

  Then they like took some pictures in front of like they had this big sign with the money up because the money would go up based on like how the show worked. And took some pictures of that. And then it was like, that was it. It was done. I walked outside. This lady came up to me, handed me a piece of paper. She's like, sign here for like agreeing to accept the money.

• 1:11:38Steven Rinella?

  Uh huh.

• 1:11:39Speaker 06

  Signed that, did interviews until like midnight. And then I didn't get the check until like three weeks ago.

• 1:11:44Steven Rinella?

  They're gonna tax that check so hard.

• 1:11:45Speaker 06

  Well, yeah, we'll see. I mean, they sent the whole amount. So I'm sure there's gonna be some withholdings I'll have.

• 1:11:51Steven Rinella?

  It's just, yeah, like, like, like I was saying earlier, man, like someone writes, you know, it's see like when people win lotteries, whatever. I've also someone's like, hey, Bryce, here's $215,000. They're gonna be like, I'll take some of that.

• 1:12:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. It's just, it's like.

• 1:12:07Speaker 06

  That's easy money right there.

• 1:12:08Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:08Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:12:09Steven Rinella?

  It just seems like, maybe I'm wrong. It just seems like they're gonna hit it with like the extra special tax.

• 1:12:13Speaker 06

  Well, I think like the Super Bowl players got taxed by playing the Super Bowl in LA by LA's like California's tax, like much harder than they would have somewhere else. Like with their winnings. So I, I know California has this like a stipulant on like winnings for.

• 1:12:27Steven Rinella?

  It's still a nice chunk, man. What are you gonna do?

• 1:12:29Speaker 06

  Yeah. So it was funny, like.

• 1:12:31Steven Rinella?

  What are you gonna do with the money? I mean, then I'm gonna, then I'm gonna ask you, what are you gonna do?

• 1:12:35Speaker 05

  He's got, he's got a finance degree. If you've been listening, he's got, he's not gonna make any.

• 1:12:40Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:12:40Speaker 06

  I was working in the oil fields, that part of it. Um, so yeah, I was doing the construction thing after I sold the firewood business. Got a private chef gig just by like happen chance. Then that's when I was like, this is what I want to do. Everything I want to do is like right here. Pursued that, um, doing freelance stuff. And then, yeah, so I, I realized I wanted to go to pastry school.

• 1:12:59Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:13:00Speaker 06

  Last year, um, I got back from my trip and I was like, I need to focus up here and make some money and kind of chase this dream. And so I was like, how am I gonna do that? My brothers worked in the oil fields. They hooked me up with a job. And I started doing that, um, for pastry school to save up money for it. The show came in the midst of all this.

• 1:13:16Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 1:13:17Speaker 06

  So then I went on the show. I won. I didn't get any of that money. Like they told me they weren't gonna give me any of the money until the last episode came out, which came out in like middle of July. And so pastry school is coming up in March. And I was like, I need to pay for this.

• 1:13:28Steven Rinella?

  They didn't give you, they didn't give you your scratch until.

• 1:13:31Speaker 06

  Nothing. They gave me my, I got a $50 per diem per day for dinner.

• 1:13:34Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's redundant.

• 1:13:35Speaker 06

  Yeah. They gave you that.

• 1:13:37Steven Rinella?

  It's per diem.

• 1:13:38Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, is that.

• 1:13:42Speaker 06

  Anyways, they gave me that. So they sent me like 800 bucks, um, which was I guess nice for the time I was down there.

• 1:13:48Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:49Speaker 06

  Um, but that was it. So I was like, I gotta go back to.

• 1:13:51Steven Rinella?

  And you had to sign all kinds of stuff to keep your mouth shut.

• 1:13:53Speaker 06

  So many NDAs. Yeah. Like I came home, I was like.

• 1:13:55Steven Rinella?

  But you can't be talking about it.

• 1:13:56Speaker 06

  I was hugging Terry Crews and the next day I was like on a flight back in Montana like, oh, going back to work in.

• 1:14:01Steven Rinella?

  Sworn to see.

• 1:14:01Speaker 06

  North Dakota.

• 1:14:02Steven Rinella?

  Sworn to secrecy.

• 1:14:03Speaker 06

  Which was kind of nice because I was away from all of it back there. But yeah, I worked another month and then saved up the money so I could start pastry school.

• 1:14:10Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:14:11Speaker 06

  Uh, then I left for France at the end of March. And then the show came out in June and I got back home in July. So it was kind of great, like being away from Bozeman and like.

• 1:14:19Steven Rinella?

  Got it, got it.

• 1:14:19Speaker 06

  Small towns. Like if I go to the ridge, you know, someone's like, dude, did you win? Did you win? And I can't say anything. So it's just hard. So thank goodness I was gone.

• 1:14:27Steven Rinella?

  You'd be like, ah, I didn't lose.

• 1:14:29Speaker 06

  I didn't lose. Yeah. But what I would say, I was like, would I have gone back to work at the oil fields if I won? And then it shut everybody up. Right. Like, oh yeah, you would never go back to work if you won that. But funny enough, I just didn't have any money.

• 1:14:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:39Speaker 06

  I didn't win the show. Yeah. I didn't get the money yet. So yeah, then I did France for three months, came back, was still waiting on the check. And then, so I just.

• 1:14:48Steven Rinella?

  So three months of pastry school?

• 1:14:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. So it was in.

• 1:14:51Steven Rinella?

  I, I don't want to like pry, but like how, how expensive is three months of pastry?

• 1:14:54Speaker 06

  It's not. It was actually, I spent a lot of time trying to find the cheapest one. Like I'm, I'm just cheap at heart. Like they, like I'm from Churchill and everyone's like, oh, it's because you're like, you're from a Dutch community. That's why you're cheap. And I was like, oh.

• 1:15:04Steven Rinella?

  That's why, yeah, that's why my old man, he wouldn't, he wouldn't go to a Hollander's Road, uh, garage sale. My old man. Yeah. I knew I got you guys' numbers. I was raised around this, man.

• 1:15:16Speaker 06

  Yeah. So I, I took my time to find a cheap one and like all said and done with like housing three months and like school, I think is like 10 or 11 grand.

• 1:15:24Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:15:25Speaker 06

  So it was, I thought it was pretty reasonable instead of like liquor.

• 1:15:27Steven Rinella?

  But you're just doing this as like career development and self improvement. Like you're paying.

• 1:15:32Speaker 06

  Yeah. So like I, I want to be like, I'm a savory chef. I like cooking is what I like, but in my mind, I think like the best chefs are well-rounded and have, you know, a little bit of everything. And so I was like.

• 1:15:41Steven Rinella?

  So you're serious about this whole thing, man?

• 1:15:43Speaker 06

  Very. I would say, yeah. Like now for sure. Yeah. It's like my life. But yeah, so I did that and I came back. Was waiting for the show to end, kind of seeing whatever opportunities came out of that. And then randomly got, uh, like a DM to go to Alaska and go cook on a yacht. Because their chef had like flaked out and I'd never done anything like that. Like the most I've provisioned for was like four days. And I was like, still could run back to Bozeman. And it was for like a couple of guys at a ranch. Um, so I got called out for that. And the day before I left, I got my check from the show.

• 1:16:15Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:16:15Speaker 06

  So it was like, last month I finally got the money. So it took a while, but nothing. Yeah. I bought a laptop. That's probably.

• 1:16:22Steven Rinella?

  You're hoarding that money. You're hoarding that money.

• 1:16:25Speaker 06

  That might be my biggest purchase out of the, it's like, someone was joking the other day, like your laptop's worth more than your car. And I was like, that's how it should be.

• 1:16:32Steven Rinella?

  But dude, now you're going, so you're going to Spain now.

• 1:16:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:16:35Steven Rinella?

  And you're gonna work in a Michelin star restaurant.

• 1:16:37Speaker 06

  Yeah. So.

• 1:16:38Steven Rinella?

  And how, how long you signed up for indefinite?

• 1:16:40Speaker 06

  No. So how it works, so it's, I'm doing like a visa free travel deal. And so I didn't get like a visa approved to like work there. But it's essentially, it's called a stage, which just means like intern in French and like all chefs would know like a stage. It's like you go intern at a restaurant. Maybe get paid like it's kind of a gray area and they're still working those things out. But like I, I'm almost guaranteeing I don't get paid at all.

• 1:17:04Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:04Speaker 06

  But the point is you, you're under the best chefs in the world, learning like the craziest kind of knowledge, technique, you can take away from that. And then it's also a resume builder. Like if I put like, this is a three star. If I survive, which I'm really hoping I do, like I can put like I, I staged at a three star Michelin restaurant.

• 1:17:20Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:21Speaker 06

  Adds weight to it. Doing private chef stuff. It's like, it's big for that because people are always curious, you know, like where are you, are you classically trained? Have you been here, you know?

• 1:17:29Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:30Speaker 06

  Um, and so, yeah, I, while I was in Alaska cooking on the boat, I got that, uh, opportunity, um, offered to me. And so I was kind of just figuring out like, is, am I gonna do this finally? And it's like, this is what I want to do. And so, yeah, I leave, uh, five days for that. Yeah.

• 1:17:47Speaker 05

  So what do you see like in five years?

• 1:17:51Speaker 06

  That's a tough question. I don't.

• 1:17:52Speaker 05

  What's it gonna look like?

• 1:17:54Speaker 06

  I feel like I can't even do like anything past two months.

• 1:17:56Steven Rinella?

  It's too hot right now. It's too crazy.

• 1:17:58Speaker 06

  Too much going on every, I think I've been like just taking each opportunity as I can.

• 1:18:02Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:02Speaker 06

  For me, the show was a huge booster, just like the money, obviously. And then it gave me kind of the confidence and like was like solidified what I, like what I think I already knew. Um, but now it's like, you know, I spent a lot of time, I was cutting firewood. I was in college, like not pursuing food really like intensely. And so it's just growth. I think if I can just go and be a sponge everywhere and just take every opportunity to learn, like even this Alaska trip. I had a half day in Juneau, which like, I don't know if you guys have been to Juneau, but they don't have a Whole Foods or anything like that. And so I had a half day to provision for two weeks worth of food for 11 people, three meals a day. And I've never done anything like that in my life, you know? And so

• 1:18:44Speaker 06

  I did that whole, um, experience, cooked for two weeks for these guests, you know, got a lot of fresh catch. Just cooking stuff like I've never even seen before, heard of before. I made my own tasting menu and like, it was like a taste of Alaska and it was like a six course deal for the guests. It was super fun because it was just like all making up on the fly. And then after that experience, I'm like, I learned so much. I opened up kind of the yachting chef world to myself.

• 1:19:06Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:07Speaker 06

  And so I don't want to say like, I'm gonna do this now for the next five years. And the five years I want to do this, or I'm gonna start a restaurant. Because when you do those things, you're kind of shackled to it for the time. Uh, and so I feel like for me, I'm 24. If I could spend like the next five years taking opportunities like that and just learning and absorbing and growing as much as I can, and then go from there.

• 1:19:28Steven Rinella?

  Thinking about that money, man. I know a dude in southwest Minnesota that needs 600 bucks.

• 1:19:33Speaker 06

  50 cents, right? I think I could, I think I could swing 50 cents.

• 1:19:37Steven Rinella?

  Dude, congratulations. It's, it's, it's great, man.

• 1:19:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:40Steven Rinella?

  You gotta be proud. It's such a cool accomplishment.

• 1:19:43Speaker 06

  It was cool. Yeah.

• 1:19:43Steven Rinella?

  You got a whole, you got like, obviously you got tons of ideas.

• 1:19:46Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:19:46Steven Rinella?

  You got a pretty cool career laid out ahead of you.

• 1:19:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:19:49Steven Rinella?

  You know, the money's cool, but it's bigger than that.

• 1:19:51Speaker 06

  I think it always has been for me. I think, yeah, like getting out of college, uh, you know, I was just working whatever I could to travel and eat and taste food. And everyone was kind of like, you know, buying houses and stuff like that and getting married. And I was like, am I doing the right thing here? Uh, and then when that show came around, I think every part of what I'd been doing kind of got brought there.

• 1:20:10Steven Rinella?

  Is your grandma, is your grandma still alive?

• 1:20:12Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:12Steven Rinella?

  But she's proud.

• 1:20:13Speaker 06

  She was stoked. Yeah.

• 1:20:14Steven Rinella?

  She's gotta be excited.

• 1:20:15Speaker 06

  She loved that, the chili reno, uh, pizza that I made.

• 1:20:18Steven Rinella?

  You better go cook her a nice meal, man.

• 1:20:19Speaker 06

  I know. I gotta get back.

• 1:20:20Steven Rinella?

  You owe her a nice meal.

• 1:20:22Speaker 06

  Definitely. Yeah.

• 1:20:23Speaker 05

  And, and so if folks want to watch it now, they gotta go to HBO?

• 1:20:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's on HBO Max and Amazon Prime. And then I don't know what Food Network's on. Like I know they do reruns and stuff on TV. And then I don't know if they're on like Fubo or any of those other apps or whatnot. But yeah.

• 1:20:38Steven Rinella?

  Excellent, man. All right. Bryce Stubbs, Churchill, Montana.

• 1:20:42Speaker 06

  Yes, sir.

• 1:20:43Steven Rinella?

  Big time food competition champion, private chef, Michelin star.

• 1:20:48Speaker 06

  Maybe.

• 1:20:49Steven Rinella?

  Protege. Congratulations.

• 1:20:51Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 1:20:52Steven Rinella?

  Thanks, buddy.

• 1:20:52Speaker 06

  Appreciate it.

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• 1:22:25Steven Rinella?

  You can go ahead and hang out if you want. We're gonna talk about Lake, uh, I can't even say it.

• 1:22:31Speaker 06

  I want to know what's going on with that. Is that real?

• 1:22:34Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, define real.

• 1:22:37Speaker 05

  We're gonna get into it. We're gonna get into it. Uh, yeah. Like, y'all know by now, except Bryce, apparently.

• 1:22:44Steven Rinella?

  Which says a lot about him.

• 1:22:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:47Steven Rinella?

  Doesn't spend his time on the dumb shit.

• 1:22:51Speaker 05

  In the midst of a tariff-induced trade war with the evil empire of Canada, Trump says Lake Ontario is now Lake America. So I just want to hit like a few points before we do a little roundtable discussion on it. Number one, Lake America implies that we have some kind of American ownership over that lake, but that's like not the case, and Trump doesn't have the authority to rename an international body of water. He's got it all backwards when it comes to history and geography. Lake Ontario is not named after the Canadian province. It's in fact the opposite.

• 1:23:32Speaker 05

  The word Ontario has indigenous origins that go back hundreds of years. It was in use long before the United States existed, long before Canada as a country existed. Ontario didn't adopt, the province of Ontario didn't adopt that name until 1867. So there was obviously some reactions to all this. Google caved very quickly. I just read, "Apple caved."

• 1:24:01Speaker 07

  Can I just tell you right now, I put in Lake America, and when, on the map, Google Maps, it does say Lake America, but in the search bar, it says Lake Ontario, and then in parentheses, "America."

• 1:24:16Speaker 05

  Right, you want to know something funny? If you Google it in Canada, it's not Lake America.

• 1:24:20Steven Rinella?

  But I don't know, to say, like, I don't know that they cannot, I don't know.

• 1:24:24Speaker 05

  That they cannot do that?

• 1:24:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, but go on, doesn't matter.

• 1:24:28Speaker 05

  Nah, they caved, man. They're like, they're cowering favors, I believe.

• 1:24:33Steven Rinella?

  Sure, yeah. There's a kissing of the ring, yeah.

• 1:24:35Speaker 05

  But, um, getting back to the indigenous origins, so like, there is a reaction from some Native American groups, this obviously. The Wendat Nation, Grand Chief Pierre Picard expressed shock over the decisions. He stated it was an attempt to erase indigenous history and noted that the Wendat originally named the lake, I'm gonna say Ontario, it's like, some version of that that I may not be, you know, might not pronounce the right way, but either way, Ontario means the lake is beautiful, the lake is big.

• 1:25:09Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:25:10Speaker 05

  Um.

• 1:25:11Steven Rinella?

  With all due respect, I don't think it was an attempt to erase indigenous history. I don't think that was considered.

• 1:25:16Speaker 05

  I get it, but this is the reaction from the people that came up with the name.

• 1:25:21Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, understood. But that was not intentional.

• 1:25:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I get it.

• 1:25:27Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, go on.

• 1:25:28Speaker 05

  It's a reaction to something important to these people. Seneca Nation President J. Conrad Seneca issued a strong statement condemning the rename as un-presidential and a sign of blatant disrespect. And he noted it violates the historic 1794 Treaty of, I'm not gonna pronounce this right, Canandagwa, which I'm not sure exactly what that means, but again, it's an attempt to erase indigenous history. Moving on from that, those points, in the United States, there are at least 12 geographic locations and municipalities that are named Ontario, you know, towns or whatever.

• 1:26:12Speaker 05

  Countless businesses and schools also use the name Ontario. This, I think, is funny, because I'd forgot this from my childhood. The Great Lakes are typically remembered with the acronym HOMES, but now it would be shame.

• 1:26:29Steven Rinella?

  Superior here on America.

• 1:26:36Speaker 05

  Michigan.

• 1:26:38Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, yeah, Erie. Okay, now I got it now, shame, man.

• 1:26:42Speaker 05

  And then we had, we had maybe the most important point come in that someone pointed out.

• 1:26:49Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, this trumps all, oh, yeah. This is the real mind bender.

• 1:26:54Speaker 05

  I doubt Trump's ever even heard this song. If he has, he wouldn't be able to tell you.

• 1:26:58Steven Rinella?

  I don't think, because you know, like, all the weird gold things hanging up in there in the office? It just doesn't, I don't get a wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald vibe.

• 1:27:06Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:27:07Steven Rinella?

  I get more like.

• 1:27:08Speaker 05

  Liberace.

• 1:27:09Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, like, George, yeah, like, George W. Bush had like a closet full of junk they took from Saddam Hussein, and that's like now decorating the office.

• 1:27:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, so what we're getting at is the song we talk about all the time, Gordon Lightfoot's The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. There's a line in that song that goes, "And farther below Lake Ontario," Nate, move your, I can't read it. "And farther below Lake Ontario," takes in what Lake Erie can send her, and Steve is very upset.

• 1:27:38Steven Rinella?

  Farther below Lake Ontario.

• 1:27:40Speaker 05

  Very upset because there's just, the rhyming just does not work for that.

• 1:27:44Steven Rinella?

  I called a prominent songwriter, I don't want to drag his name in this. I called a prominent songwriter, and I said, "Dude, what happens now with the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald?" He said, "No, there's not a problem," because they're both four syllables, and then he thought about it, he goes, "Oh, there is a problem." I said, "Can you fix it for me? Can you propose a fix?" He puzzled over it for a day, and then did a thing not many people do. He texted and said, "I can't figure it out, I have to move on to other things in my life." He gave up trying to fix the song. We brought it to Reed's Piano News.

• 1:28:23Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:28:24Steven Rinella?

  How do you fix the problem for Gordon Lightfoot? Can you queue it up?

• 1:28:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:33Steven Rinella?

  Here's the best he could do.

• 1:28:34Speaker 07

  The wake of Lake Ontario being renamed Lake America, everybody's asking one question, and that's, how is this gonna affect Gordon Lightfoot's seven-minute sea shanty, The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, where he says Lake Ontario exactly once? And I think we've got options. Michigan seems like a young man's dream. The islands and the bays are for sportsmen. Lake America sits down farther below. We've got luggies and punt guns and freedom.

• 1:29:10Steven Rinella?

  Any songwriters that want to write in and take another stab at what in the world happens now to Gordon Lightfoot's masterpiece?

• 1:29:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, you can't mess with that.

• 1:29:21Steven Rinella?

  The wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald, like, does he get a fine? I mean, oh, he's dead, but say he wasn't, does he get fined every time he sings it?

• 1:29:27Speaker 05

  I think he'd punch Trump in the face.

• 1:29:29Steven Rinella?

  Well, he's a knuck.

• 1:29:32Speaker 05

  I think he'd punch Trump in the face.

• 1:29:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, big news. Okay, Yanni?

• 1:29:38Speaker 05

  That's all you got to say about that, huh?

• 1:29:41Steven Rinella?

  What more is there to say? What do you do about the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald? Songwriters, please come together. I don't know.

• 1:29:48Speaker 05

  No, I wasn't talking about the song.

• 1:29:51Steven Rinella?

  No, I got no more to say on it, because I'm still in shock. I'm still in shock. As a Great Lakes man, an ancestral Great Lakes man.

• 1:30:01Speaker 05

  Hunters carrying sidearms for bear protection in Colorado may find their caution well justified this season. Wow, that's a real.

• 1:30:10Steven Rinella?

  Bold statement right there.

• 1:30:11Speaker 05

  I came up with that.

• 1:30:12Steven Rinella?

  You wrote that?

• 1:30:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, I did.

• 1:30:14Speaker 03

  That's kind of sensational, isn't it?

• 1:30:16Speaker 05

  Exactly. I wanted my little segment here to start off with a bang.

• 1:30:21Steven Rinella?

  If it was sensational, he would never have used the word "may."

• 1:30:24Speaker 05

  Well, that's true.

• 1:30:27Steven Rinella?

  It would've been "will," "will."

• 1:30:29Speaker 05

  Well, I was thinking about, like, how does this actually relate to us? Because as you'll see, a lot of this stuff that's happening with these bears is not really out in the wilds, and in the past, we have covered stories, I think it must have been, it was so long ago, it must have just been on the regular Media Dior podcast, but where people were shooting themselves in Colorado elk and deer camps with pistols. And I think you were like, "Why are they even carrying pistols?"

• 1:30:58Steven Rinella?

  In Colorado.

• 1:30:59Speaker 05

  In Colorado.

• 1:31:00Steven Rinella?

  Because they don't have grizzly bears.

• 1:31:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's just black bears.

• 1:31:02Steven Rinella?

  Well, one guy does, what was his name? Adam Green Tree.

• 1:31:06Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:31:07Steven Rinella?

  He has grizzlies in Colorado.

• 1:31:08Speaker 05

  Convinced they're all over the place. Oh.

• 1:31:10Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, I kind of remember that, too. Low mountain, snowpack, active wildfires, severe drought, and localized late spring freeze events have heavily depleted natural food sources such as various fruits, nuts, plants, and grasses, forcing black bears to travel into residential areas in search of easy calories.

• 1:31:26Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:31:27Speaker 05

  So much so, that this year, up until now, well, no, these numbers go until, from, I found, from January 1 to August 13. In 2025, there were 3,115 reports. In the same time period this year, 6,129.

• 1:31:48Steven Rinella?

  I'm gonna put that to our finance friend.

• 1:31:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, what percentage?

• 1:31:54Steven Rinella?

  I'm excited. I'll tell you, Brad, twice as much.

• 1:31:59Speaker 05

  Is it because there's twice as many?

• 1:32:01Speaker 03

  They got twice as many bears now, a year later?

• 1:32:03Speaker 05

  I don't think so. Uh, but interestingly, uh, I, I did look up population of black bears in Colorado and it says seventeen to twenty thousand, which I thought, that's a hell of a lot of bears. And I thought, that's gotta be like the most bears in any state besides Alaska. Turns out, no, Colorado is actually 10th on the list. Um, Alaska's number one, then California, Maine, Idaho. Uh, all these states have thirty-five to thirty thousand, and then Oregon, Washington, Wisconsin, uh, twenty-four to like twenty-seven thousand.

• 1:32:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that makes sense. Half the state of Colorado is not bear country. It's just like ag playing and stuff, you know?

• 1:32:41Steven Rinella?

  Great point, yep.

• 1:32:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I bet you there's a lot of bears out in that ag country these days.

• 1:32:46Speaker 03

  Hmm, I don't know.

• 1:32:47Speaker 05

  More and more. I mean, just being back in the Midwest when I was there for a wedding this past weekend, like, there's the same conversations we're having here now and people in Colorado are having, it's happening in like Three Rivers, Michigan. They're like, oh yeah, there was a bear that came in to, you know, walk through the Walmart parking lot or something like that. Um.

• 1:33:11Speaker 05

  Let's see, where was I? Uh, yeah. It, it's about to hit like the, the, the, the main time of year when, when, when Colorado or any state has a lot of human and bear encounters. And that's because bears are going into hyperphagia. Phil?

• 1:33:31Speaker 05

  Remember this?

• 1:33:32Steven Rinella?

  Oh yeah, dude, this is the early days.

• 1:33:33Speaker 05

  Blasphemy the past for you.

• 1:33:44Steven Rinella?

  You guys know the word, um, hyperphagic?

• 1:33:48Speaker 03

  Heard it.

• 1:33:49Steven Rinella?

  It means like eating a whole bunch.

• 1:33:53Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. So, yeah, like, uh, they say that, you know, in the fall, they go into a hyperphagic state, like just eating around the clock. Now, thinking back on it, we have watched them where they're so focused on eating that then when they're in a spot that doesn't have food, they run. Like, you watch them digging ground squirrels and they just run from burrow to burrow. Like, when they get done with one burrow and catch the squirrel.

• 1:34:17Speaker 03

  Because there's nothing in between, so what's the point?

• 1:34:19Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, so maybe she just was up in that rocky junk. Because now that she's just down there pounding blueberries like nobody's business and has no idea about this guttural. So it's like, she's just like, I'm not gonna stand here with nothing to eat, I'm gonna run. Which seems like its own sort of inefficiency, like you're consuming energy, but they must just have it. They worked out the math on it.

• 1:34:40Speaker 05

  That's good, Phil.

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  Do you know what the?

• 1:34:42Steven Rinella?

  Thank you, Phil.

• 1:34:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:45Speaker 05

  That's a good episode. What was that one called? You remember?

• 1:34:47Steven Rinella?

  Nope.

• 1:34:47Speaker 03

  That's fun. That was a fun one.

• 1:34:49Steven Rinella?

  Hyperphagic.

• 1:34:50Speaker 05

  You were there too?

• 1:34:51Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:51Speaker 05

  What were you doing on that one? You were just WPA?

• 1:34:54Speaker 03

  WPA.

• 1:34:55Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 1:34:55Speaker 03

  All in caribou meat around and watching out for grizzly bears.

• 1:34:58Steven Rinella?

  Dirk climbed out of the tent one night to take a piss. It's never really dark out. It's kind of dusky. He climbs out to take a piss. He says it was a grizzly standing in the middle of the tent.

• 1:35:05Speaker 03

  It was her with her cup. It was the same man, yeah.

• 1:35:09Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, hyperphagia. So they're trying to eat a whole bunch. They got no berries, no grass, nothing in the woods. So they're, they're running from trash can to trash can.

• 1:35:19Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:20Speaker 05

  Um, in like the last month or so, uh, there was a Steamboat Springs residents attack where a bear, uh, went through a sliding glass door and then struck a woman in the face.

• 1:35:35Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 1:35:36Speaker 05

  Uh, in Aspen, they're in a park.

• 1:35:38Steven Rinella?

  Uh, he, he entered a sliding glass door or went through a sliding?

• 1:35:42Speaker 05

  Well, he opened the door, actually. Um, yeah.

• 1:35:45Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 1:35:46Speaker 05

  Uh, in a park in Aspen at 3:00 AM, uh, on August 19th, a bear bit a homeless man in the head.

• 1:35:53Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 1:35:54Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, bear was euthanized for doing that one. Down in, uh, Crested Butte, a bear got into a house and then started a kitchen fire.

• 1:36:02Speaker 03

  There was one in Eaglevale where you and I used to, I got attacked in a laundromat there, like something like that.

• 1:36:09Steven Rinella?

  That's the last thing on your mind at a laundromat, man.

• 1:36:12Speaker 03

  It was something, had something to do with.

• 1:36:13Steven Rinella?

  I've been in a laundromat in a long, since graduate school, but when I was, I was not thinking about bear attacks.

• 1:36:19Speaker 05

  Um, so they're around. I was hoping to talk to somebody. I didn't get, CPW didn't get back to me about this because my main question was like, why? It just seems like this happens from time to time. That, you know, the bears are just gonna be hammering the trashcans more, but this year it just seems like there's way more attacks actually on the humans. It's not just encounters. It's like, why, why are they?

• 1:36:42Steven Rinella?

  Mix-ups.

• 1:36:42Speaker 05

  Biting, swiping, um, actually messing with the humans. So my main question, uh, there is a new, uh,

• 1:36:49Speaker 03

  They're hangry.

• 1:36:49Speaker 05

  Law in Colorado that just took effect. And they're basically, the law is making it so that instead of getting a, a ticket for like knowingly baiting a bear, which you can't do.

• 1:37:02Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:37:02Speaker 05

  Um, now you can get a ticket for just basically knowingly leaving food out that you know a bear could come in contact with.

• 1:37:10Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 1:37:10Speaker 05

  So if you, if you're part of the problem, they can hit you. They don't have to give you a first time warning. And, uh, it looks like subsequent penalties can go from two to five thousand dollars.

• 1:37:22Speaker 03

  So this, this could be like a bird feeder? Or is it just like garbage related?

• 1:37:27Speaker 05

  I mean, I think it, it's up to the, uh,

• 1:37:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:37:30Speaker 05

  You know, the ordinance is probably gonna be issuing the ticket. Um.

• 1:37:33Steven Rinella?

  Oh, if they gotta talk to you three times, two to five thousand dollar fine.

• 1:37:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, which is good, I think.

• 1:37:38Steven Rinella?

  I got a neighbor who'd be eligible for that. I mean, they get visited all the time.

• 1:37:43Speaker 05

  I don't know about how, where it was, yeah, and I don't think that we have this embolism, but I don't know how it was down in Eaglevale where you were, but when we were up valley, like we had to have those bear-proof trash containers.

• 1:37:55Speaker 03

  Eagle was not, it didn't, I wouldn't be surprised if it does now.

• 1:38:00Speaker 05

  Uh, my brother's in Salida, none, just regular old trashcans. He says every morning right now, when he takes a dog out for an early morning walk, he just goes down the alley, every single trashcan is knocked over.

• 1:38:10Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 1:38:10Speaker 05

  I don't know why like that isn't more of a thing. Like, you don't have to, where you are, you don't have to have lots of bins.

• 1:38:15Steven Rinella?

  In the winter, we put it out the night before.

• 1:38:17Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:38:18Steven Rinella?

  In the summer, you can't do that. You gotta wait and then rush it out there right when you think the dude's coming, which means you'll miss the garbage all the damn time. I'm, I'm sitting on, I'm sitting on a two-week load right now because it's very recent, yeah.

• 1:38:32Speaker 06

  That Highland Boulevard area over in Bozeman, where I lived in college, and we'd have a black bear go down the whole road, like, like every week and just take out each trash can. Yeah.

• 1:38:41Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. So I imagine that, I mean, this is all sort of, uh, urban interface, but there's plenty of bears still left out and about in the woods. They're gonna be facing these same challenges.

• 1:38:53Steven Rinella?

  Sure.

• 1:38:54Speaker 05

  What do you think hunters are gonna, or should do?

• 1:38:56Speaker 03

  Season opened yesterday in Colorado.

• 1:38:59Speaker 05

  For bears?

• 1:38:59Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:39:00Speaker 05

  Uh-huh. Okay, so I guess there's that. There's like, what do you do if you're a bear hunter? And then what if you do if you're an elk hunter trying to not have a mix-up with a bear?

• 1:39:09Speaker 03

  Those bears still gotta drink water. Like, hunt, you know, I mean, hunt water, you're gonna find bears.

• 1:39:16Steven Rinella?

  I, I can't and never will, as long as I live. I don't care what happens, ever find it myself to take a black bear serious enough to carry black bear defense. Not gonna do it.

• 1:39:26Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:39:27Steven Rinella?

  I don't care what happens.

• 1:39:28Speaker 03

  Oh, you said to stay bear safe? I thought you said how to get one. I'm not worried about staying safe in Colorado.

• 1:39:35Speaker 05

  Well, maybe not you. So you're not, if you were to go hunt and you're gonna have a tent camp, like a back, not a backcountry, just a wall tent camp in the, let's say, the flat tops.

• 1:39:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:39:46Speaker 05

  For a week, would you do, you wouldn't do anything else that you already, that you don't do?

• 1:39:50Speaker 03

  I mean, I wouldn't leave food laying around, but no, no. Like, I, I don't think, I don't think these few attacks are like a sign that bears are gonna be jumping dudes in the woods like all over the place.

• 1:40:03Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'll put my food somewhere in my sleeping bag.

• 1:40:07Steven Rinella?

  I cannot find it myself to get scared of a black.

• 1:40:09Speaker 03

  I mean, I've, I've been backpacked tent camping in Colorado and had them walking around my tent at night. It's like not.

• 1:40:16Speaker 05

  But this year's different. They don't have any food to eat.

• 1:40:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I still don't think they're gonna start eating people.

• 1:40:21Steven Rinella?

  Brody was wondering if this means good or bad for bear hunters. Like, does it mean that the habits change? So it's like harder to anticipate them, or does it mean that they're out just?

• 1:40:31Speaker 03

  More visible.

• 1:40:32Steven Rinella?

  Just roaming.

• 1:40:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:40:34Steven Rinella?

  Roaming.

• 1:40:35Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:40:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, you'd think they'd be more visible. That's what I would think.

• 1:40:38Speaker 03

  Um, but the thing about Colorado too is it's got.

• 1:40:41Steven Rinella?

  The other day, the other day, I don't know why he's keeping quiet about it. He sends me a, he sends me a way off, Nate sends me a way off video.

• 1:40:53Steven Rinella?

  Um, where he's looking at the baldest 10,000-foot gravel ridgeline. And he's like, is that a wolverine? He sends me a little clip.

• 1:41:03Steven Rinella?

  Cause like, what the hell is he running around up there? Well, he gets home and is able to look at it on something, and it's a little shitting black bear.

• 1:41:09Speaker 03

  Way up.

• 1:41:10Steven Rinella?

  Dude, there ain't no bush in sight. I mean, not even a bush. He's up there eating rocks, dude. And he's just probably dying.

• 1:41:16Speaker 03

  And I wonder if it was that, do they do the moth thing that the grizzlies do?

• 1:41:21Steven Rinella?

  Hmm, he was traveling, I don't know. Um, he was hurt. I don't know. I, I, I'm putting a lot on him. I don't know what he was doing.

• 1:41:27Speaker 05

  He was by himself. He was small. But that was like 10 minutes after an antelope rolled by at 10:5. I'd never seen an antelope up that high. It was crazy.

• 1:41:35Steven Rinella?

  Maybe he's hunting an antelope.

• 1:41:36Speaker 03

  But the thing I was getting at in Colorado is, I mean, you've seen it, especially down in southern Colorado, is they've got all that oak brush.

• 1:41:43Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:41:44Speaker 03

  So like a berry failure isn't a total end of the world because they can go to those acorns, but the berry failure, berry, berry failure here, they don't got acorns to turn to. So I think they're gonna be out running around a bunch and be good hunting.

• 1:42:01Steven Rinella?

  Okay. All right, everybody.

• 1:42:06Steven Rinella?

  Now, earlier I talked about how if you're gonna, if you're fixing to get a suppressor,

• 1:42:12Steven Rinella?

  don't want the government telling you what to do, now might be the time to strike. Why? How certain am I? Stay tuned for this interview, which is gonna close the show out. We're not coming back to say goodbye. Stay tuned. You're gonna learn a whole bunch. And thanks for joining the show. And thanks for coming on, man.

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• 1:44:09Steven Rinella?

  Okay, we're moving over to a report about, you know, the sort of never-ending regulatory shifts around suppressors, which some of you folks, you know, from old movies might know as silencers, but suppressors, things you put on the end of your gun, on the end of your muzzle of your rifle, so that you and your children don't have to damage your ears when you go shooting. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal invention. I think one should sit in every gun case out there.

• 1:44:43Steven Rinella?

  It's a shifting, you know, like I said, rapidly shifting environment around these things. Hopefully, in the long run, we're just headed to a place where you can just go into a sporting goods store and go online or whatever and just get yourself one.

• 1:44:59Steven Rinella?

  But you got to jump through certain hoops. The hoops have changed. I feel like it's good news, but I don't really know. It's confusing. Me and Nate Mason were just talking about that these regulatory changes around suppressors are confusing. But here to clear it all up is the man for the job, got to probably know more about, knows more about this than anybody, Brandon Maddox, who's the founder and CEO of Silencer Central. So this guy has to pay attention to this stuff.

• 1:45:30Steven Rinella?

  I'm going to intro it like this, and he's going to explain what this means. He's here with us.

• 1:45:35Steven Rinella?

  This is, this is, in my notes, here's what it says, Scott. A federal judge in the US District Court for the Northern District of Texas ruled in Silencer Shop Foundation v. ATF that key National Firearms Act registration requirements for items like suppressors and short-barreled rifles are unconstitutional because Congress previously reduced the NFA transfer tax stamps to $0.

• 1:46:12Steven Rinella?

  If you took all 360, whatever the number is, million Americans out there, I think that 359,999,950, don't know what that means.

• 1:46:31Steven Rinella?

  Brandon, can you explain what that means?

• 1:46:34Speaker 03

  Sure. Good question.

• 1:46:37Speaker 03

  So basically, what happened is a big, beautiful bill got rid of the tax stamp. Tax stamp had been $200 since 1934. And when the tax stamp went away, some gun rights groups got together and said, "Let's sue the federal government and say that the registration of silencers is unlawful because there's no longer a tax." Congress had written underneath the tax code, and since it was underneath the tax code, the assumption being that there should be some tax revenue. And when it went to zero, there was no tax revenue.

• 1:47:07Steven Rinella?

  Ah, so, so when you say the $200 thing is like, if you go, like, if I went to, if I went to you,

• 1:47:15Steven Rinella?

  I go to Silencer Central and I'm shopping, like, part of the process is I need to, I previously had to pay this 200 bucks?

• 1:47:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, correct. From like 1934 up till December 31st of 2025. So essentially, January 1st of 2026, there was no tax stamp.

• 1:47:38Steven Rinella?

  What does this mean going forward? Like, who all does it apply to?

• 1:47:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, good question.

• 1:47:44Steven Rinella?

  Is it just Texas now? Like, who does this have implications for?

• 1:47:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, good question. So, you know, basically, the judge and his ruling gave a list of, you know, basically, the plaintiffs that had sued the government. And he said, "Any of those plaintiffs," and there's, you know, a long list of them, "and then anyone that is current member or future member." So what we see is, you know, we basically joined one of the other organizations. One of them was like a Texas Rifle Association that was a subsidiary of the NRA. So, you know, we joined that and some of the others. So, once you join it, then you, as a dealer, have the same benefits that the, you know, basically, the ruling created. You know, where it gets interesting is

• 1:48:30Speaker 03

  there's 15 states currently that have state laws that say you have to follow the federal registration process or your silencer is unlawful. So unfortunately, there's 15 states out there that until they correct that language, they're in a position where they still have to go through the old process.

• 1:48:49Steven Rinella?

  Are those, are those states like lefty states or righty states generally?

• 1:48:52Speaker 03

  No, so, I mean, it's sort of a big combination of both. I mean, you know, Montana's on the list, believe it or not.

• 1:48:58Steven Rinella?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:48:59Speaker 03

  You know, yeah, Alaska is, Georgia. You know, some of these states that are on there, it basically, it was a way to create a state law that was relying on the federal law. It basically just said, you know, South Dakota had this law, and Silencer Central worked to fix it in 2026. We also helped fix Kansas. So there was two states previously. But in simplest terms, mostly what these states say is that, again, you got to go through the federal process, get your silencer registered through the NFA process for it to be legal in the state. Well, if the NFA process goes away, then it ends up being, you know, illegal to own it and possess it in the state. So the state's going to have to change their state laws.

• 1:49:36Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I got it. But I feel like, without getting too, without getting too speculative here, I feel like if, if the Fed, if the feds remove the process

• 1:49:48Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:49:49Steven Rinella?

  and make it that you can't do the process.

• 1:49:51Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:49:52Steven Rinella?

  And a state says, "You have to do the process to be legal." I feel like those state courts would pretty quickly get, like, that ruling would get struck down because you're asking people to do a thing that they can't do.

• 1:50:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's fair. I mean, that's a good point. I, you know, looking at some of these states that, you know, might, like Connecticut's one of them, you know, Colorado's one, Georgia's kind of a purple state, Oregon, Washington state. So there's some states where it could be hard, harder, harder. They might fight it. They might even create their own state laws that, you know, that's one concern, too, is that, you know, we saw where Virginia tried to put a $500 tax earlier this year on silencers when they saw the $200 tax went away.

• 1:50:35Steven Rinella?

  Oh, you're kidding me?

• 1:50:37Speaker 03

  No, it didn't last too long, but it was, I mean, it made, it made Virginia our number one state behind Texas really quick, just because everyone was worried about that. So if federal law goes away completely far as the regulation of silencers through the NFA process, it could open the door for blue states to create their own rules. They could create their own tax stamp. They could create their own processes. They could, you know, outright outlaw them if they wanted, or they could leave some of these state laws on the books and then make it hard. But, you know, we see this process could stay in place for a while.

• 1:51:08Steven Rinella?

  What, if, when you look at these states that, like, like Virginia, that added this, tried to add this $500 tax to a suppressor, what, and I'm asking you to put on a, I'm asking you to, like, put on a funny hat here, because I'm asking you, like, what, what is the primary argument that they have? Like, what is the primary problem that they have with suppressors?

• 1:51:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a fair question. I mean, obviously, they see that the Republicans took away the $200 tax, so they see it as a way to generate revenue for some other, you know, pet project.

• 1:51:44Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 1:51:45Speaker 03

  No, it's a good point. I mean, if you, if you really dig in and look at the, you know, crimes that are committed with silencers, almost 100% of the time, if a crime is committed with a suppressor, they didn't go through the process. They made their own. They didn't go through any kind of background check. So, you know, it's It's not, it's not considered a public safety issue, you know, before, before Trump got in in two thousand seventeen ATF even said, hey, we'd be interested in looking at a way to deregulate these, which, you know, sort of fueled the idea that eventually they could become deregulated, because even the ATF felt like they were overregulated, at least at that time.

• 1:52:21Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you know, I think I've made this point to you. I know I've made it on the show before, but I always think like, imagine, just imagine that for whatever reason, the laws of physics were such, or the early technologies were such that guns just were about as loud as they are with a suppressor on them. Like, it's magical thinking, but just imagine that, that a rifle naturally was about as loud as it is with a suppressor on it now. Would they have made laws saying you had to make your gun louder?

• 1:52:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course not, right?

• 1:52:58Steven Rinella?

  No, no, so I'm saying, it's like, where is this thinking that they just need to be a certain decibel level, so that the people around them need to risk having hearing damage? Like, is it like a way to get you? Is it like, I know how to fix shooters, I'll make it that they have hearing damage? Like, I, I just like, I don't understand the motivation. And a lot of the, you talk about like, blue states, a lot of the blue states have a reputation of, of sacrificing, at times sacrificing personal liberty on the part of public safety,

• 1:53:33Steven Rinella?

  saving you from yourself, regulating what you buy, like, you know, you can't buy certain kinds of fishing sinkers, because lead could be toxic, but, but we would like your guns to be really loud.

• 1:53:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it makes no sense. I, yeah, it's hard to, you know, I think about the same thing with like, you know, the modern sporting rifles, that, you know, they, they, they don't necessarily have any data for those, and they still kind of go after those. I, I do find that some of these states are responding well, when I'm doing like, testimony at the state level, that in Europe, these are completely unregulated. I mean, they have a serial number, but you can buy them over the counter in Europe. There's not, it's not considered a firearm, there's no background check, you just walk in and get one, even like in a hardware store or something. So, for some reason, the politicians kind of respond to that, they're like, oh, really? Okay, well, maybe it's not as bad as I thought, but still, it's unfortunate that they don't see it as, like you're saying, it's just basically hearing protection.

• 1:54:25Steven Rinella?

  The, the other story I tell all the time, the first time I ever shot a suppressed rifle was fifteen years ago, maybe, well, yeah, it was exactly, it was fifteen years ago, the first time I shot a suppressed rifle, I was in Scotland. We were doing, we were culling red deer on an estate, we were shooting a suppressed rifle. I said, I was ignorant to the subject back then, I said, I can't believe you guys can hunt with these. He said, I can't believe you guys cannot hunt with these. And he was telling me, you, it's, it's impossible for us to get a gun, it's easy for us to get a suppressor. I'm like, well, we play the opposite game in America.

• 1:55:05Speaker 03

  True.

• 1:55:07Steven Rinella?

  It is the weird, it is like, one of those things that's so, to me, the issue is so like, it's so glaringly obvious, that, that these are a, a safe, beneficial tool for people to like, to increase safety, to protect kids, like, it's just a beneficial tool, it's so glaringly obvious that I'm, it's, it's one of those ones that is hard for me to get in the head of people that oppose them, and usually, I take some pride in being able to like, articulate opposing viewpoints of mine, I'm kind of stumped, I'm always kind of stumped with these guys.

• 1:55:47Steven Rinella?

  But, uh, so, back to the matter at hand here, though, the, the details at hand, is it that,

• 1:55:55Steven Rinella?

  like, right today, is it that in some states, you can now, I, I could now go to you and, and, and buy a suppressor and just buy it like I'm buying ammo, and, and it just comes to me in the mail, or is, or is that not true right now?

• 1:56:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, good question, it's kind of based on state, but like, so, you know, here in South Dakota, um, you know, because we changed our law here in South Dakota earlier in the year, people can walk right into silencer central, purchase a silencer, but they still do the forty-four seventy-three, like the same background check you would do to buy a rifle or handgun.

• 1:56:30Steven Rinella?

  Sure, sure.

• 1:56:31Speaker 03

  They do that, we do a background check, um, if they have a concealed carry, we don't have to do a background check, and then they could leave with it.

• 1:56:37Steven Rinella?

  Okay, so then, it's just like, it, it's just like, if you were a gun shop, that, like, for me to go to, for, for me to go to a physical silencer central, location.

• 1:56:48Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:56:49Steven Rinella?

  I, I can get a suppressor in South Dakota, the same way I can go in and buy a shotgun.

• 1:56:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely, exactly.

• 1:56:54Steven Rinella?

  Okay, but what about, what about online shopping?

• 1:56:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, good question. So, um, there's thirty-seven states where if you have a concealed carry, there's no background check, so we can mail the silencer directly to you there, you would just do the forty-four seventy-three via like DocuSign, and then also, um, you know, if you have a local dealer that's willing to do a transfer for you, we can sell the silencer to you, ship it to them, and then they can do a local transfer as well.

• 1:57:19Steven Rinella?

  If I, okay, tell me a state that has the, tell me a state that has the state rule still in place, Montana, you said Montana?

• 1:57:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, Montana, yeah.

• 1:57:28Steven Rinella?

  Okay, so, uh, this is getting a little nuanced here, a little detailed, but, okay, I go to you, I, I'm a Montana resident.

• 1:57:36Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:57:38Steven Rinella?

  And I'm visiting in South Dakota.

• 1:57:40Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:57:40Steven Rinella?

  And I'm like, man, I'm gonna go over to silencer central and, and check out everything, and I'm gonna, and I'm gonna buy a suppressor. Is that cool, or not cool?

• 1:57:49Speaker 03

  So, the process would be what we kind of call the old process, the Form Four, so the same way that, you know, you've done it since nineteen thirty-four.

• 1:57:56Steven Rinella?

  Got it, you still have the hold, and it would, it would eventually come to my, it would eventually ship to my local FFL.

• 1:58:03Speaker 03

  Well, no, we'd ship it right to your house.

• 1:58:05Steven Rinella?

  You'd ship it right to my house?

• 1:58:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:07Steven Rinella?

  How long would I have to wait for that?

• 1:58:09Speaker 03

  Um, right now, we see approvals like three or four days.

• 1:58:11Steven Rinella?

  Oh, okay, so way different than it was like, two years ago, for people that tried.

• 1:58:16Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, it used to be a long time, yeah, so it's gotten better, yeah.

• 1:58:18Steven Rinella?

  Okay, so, the difference, train, when I registered my first suppressor, I don't remember, it was quite a long time ago, it went and, uh, I, I gave a local, I did, I was, I remember I was using Bob Ward's, local Bob Ward's as an FFL, I think it sat there, you, you probably remember better than me, several years, five years ago, whatever the hell, I think it sat there for thirteen months.

• 1:58:41Speaker 03

  Oh, wow, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:42Steven Rinella?

  Forever, so two hundred bucks, it sat there, I mean, for a year, I think I hit like, a terrible time in the backlog, sat there for two hundred bucks, sat there forever, finally I was able to go get it. We're at least now at a point where even if I'm in one of these states you're talking about, I can, or, or I can do mail order, like, I, I could go to silencer central, buy a suppressor, and then, and then, in, in several days, it's gonna ship to me, and I'm, and I don't have the two hundred bucks.

• 1:59:11Speaker 03

  Correct, yeah, exactly, yep, so the tax stamp went away, and it's a whole lot quicker.

• 1:59:15Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:15Speaker 03

  Um, you know, if you go through a trust, it can take a little bit longer, just because they have to reread it, you know, make sure everything's good, but, um, yeah, if you do it as an individual, it's a little bit quicker, but, yeah, I would say most people are getting them in a couple of weeks.

• 1:59:27Steven Rinella?

  What, what do you think is gonna happen? Like, let's just run a scenario where, uh, let's run a scenario where a Democrat, a, a, a pro-gun control Democrat comes in, in, in, in, what the hell is it gonna be, twenty twenty-eight? Uh, uh, like, a pro-gun control Democrat comes in in twenty twenty-eight, is it like, one of those things where you just sign a paper and this whole thing gets reversed?

• 1:59:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, good question.

• 1:59:54Steven Rinella?

  Because it's not, because it's not like an act of Congress?

• 1:59:57Speaker 03

  Well, good question. So, I mean, that's my concern, is that this is tied up in, um, you know, litigation, like you said, you get, the worst case scenario would be, uh, Democrat and the, um, White House, and Democrats run the Senate and the House.

• 2:00:13Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:14Speaker 03

  So, the big beautiful bill went through, uh, just a simple majority vote through the, through Congress, so, basically, they could add anything they want to the tax stamp. I mean, the tax stamp before was two hundred bucks, I mean, they could pick a number that's inflation adjusted, and say it's five thousand dollars for a tax stamp, um, and then it would go into effect, you know, whenever they pick, and basically, the whole market would collapse, and then.

• 2:00:39Steven Rinella?

  Got it. So, they could get punitive, like, they could get like, vengeful if they wanted to.

• 2:00:43Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, a hundred percent, a hundred percent, it'd be easy too, because they'll have to have a majority, so if they have.

• 2:00:47Steven Rinella?

  You, you know, I wouldn't be planting ideas in their head like you're doing right now.

• 2:00:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, other people in the industry have told me about it, which got me scared, because it's sort of like, you know, it's sort of a whack-a-mole, as soon as you, you know, the best scenario would have been if Congress had done the Hearing Protection Act, then it would have gotten rid of all these state issues, because it was written in there to sort of kind of trump the state issues, which would have been beneficial, but to kind of have it backdoored through the courts. I think, no, you know, the other thing we didn't mention is that although the judge came up with this, he gave a seven-day sort of stay or pause, he basically said, I'm gonna give a seven-day pause to give a chance for the federal government to respond, um, and I tell you, everyone I talked to, I consider experts at this, from a legal and also in the industry, a hundred percent of them said, there's zero chance the ATF doesn't appeal this, and they didn't. So, by them not appealing

• 2:01:34Speaker 03

  it and not staying it, it just opened the door for that ruling, became instant. So, I mean, there's a lot of things came out of the blue, like, I don't know if anyone would have thought the tax stamp would go to zero, then I don't think that anyone would have thought the lawsuit would actually win, I mean, you could argue that in Texas, North Texas, yeah, I could see a judge going that way, but then for the Trump administration and DOJ and ATF to not even respond, and for it to open the door, um, just because it creates so much chaos, because like I said, it's, you know, some people are protected, some aren't, some states have issues, some. Don't, I mean, it's a big quagmire. It creates a huge issue for everyone. Huge issue for ATF from a regulatory standpoint, huge issue for us dealers in the industry to try to figure out where the market's going.

• 2:02:14Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 2:02:15Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, it's created a mess. I, I, but yeah, thinking worst case scenario, that could happen. Um, you know, I guess the ATF could just completely back away and not challenge it. But then another, um, you know, like I said, another administration could come in and change the tax stamp to, you know, whatever, $5,000 each or whatever they want. And then that's the new norm and the whole market would collapse.

• 2:02:36Steven Rinella?

  God, man, it seems like right now, if you're kicking around getting a suppressor, now's the time to strike, man. It's like, it could get better, but it could get worse. You know what I'm saying?

• 2:02:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, totally. Especially on the state issues, those sort of states where, um, you know, it's illegal to state law because if eventually the federal law goes away completely, then they've got an issue that they may not be able to fix on the state level.

• 2:02:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. And if you get one now, I'm guessing it's like, you know, they're never going to do something where they come clawing it back. But hey, whatever happened to the hearing aid, the, the hearing protection act, because I would have pictured if you could get one, like if it had a chance, it would have been over the last two years where, where you, here you have, you know, a Republican administration, Republicans have the House, Republicans have the Senate. If they couldn't get that son of a bitch passed now, like, why not? I mean, and

• 2:03:26Steven Rinella?

  come, uh, you know, after the November elections, it's going to look a lot, prospects for that are going to look a lot dimmer. Ever getting that across the finish line?

• 2:03:35Speaker 03

  You know, it's unfortunate. I think that just having to get the majority because they would have needed, you know, the two thirds votes or whatever in the Congress, they just didn't have enough votes. There's just the, there's, there's Republicans that have a majority in the Senate and the House, but it's just not a big enough majority to really pass anything. If you look, most things aren't really passing.

• 2:03:54Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:54Speaker 03

  The only reason the budget passes because it just needed a simple majority.

• 2:03:57Steven Rinella?

  I understand. I understand. And also it's like, it's, there's a, but there's a probably a priority set, right? And it just, you know, it probably feels like very fringe. Like, to people, to people besides guys like you and me, it probably feels very fringe.

• 2:04:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, true. Right. Yeah.

• 2:04:12Steven Rinella?

  Like what?

• 2:04:12Speaker 03

  It's an educational opportunity for us to educate, you know, elected officials.

• 2:04:16Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Well, man, thanks for coming on and explaining that. I don't, you know, I, I hear what you're saying though. It's, I, I hear you on the, on the uncertainty. Um, but I mean, do you, do you agree with the assessment? Like from a professional perspective, do you agree with the assessment that?

• 2:04:35Steven Rinella?

  I don't know. Like, is your, is your advice to people, hey, wait, because the, it could get better? Or is your advice to people like, I don't know, it could get worse quick?

• 2:04:45Speaker 03

  I don't see it getting any better. I mean, yeah, I mean, because right now there's a lot of states that, you know,

• 2:04:52Speaker 03

  you could potentially just do a 4473. Like I said, if you have a concealed carry in 37 states, we can mail a silencer right to your front door, just doing a 4473 through the mail. Um, yeah, I, I can't see it getting any better. I can only see it getting worse, especially in those states where their state, they got a state law, they got to fix that.

• 2:05:09Speaker 03

  Yeah. And if this stays unresolved, which I think it potentially could through to a Democrat administration, then, then it's a problem. So, um, when Obama first got in, he changed it where he wanted fingerprints and photos for everyone that was on a trust that bought a silencer. And in the past, that wasn't the case because it used to be considered a corporation and there was no fingerprints or photos for corporations. That drove the greatest demand that I'd ever seen, just that fear of loss. So that, that, that is definitely something that people respond to and afraid that they couldn't get them in the future. So, um,

• 2:05:41Steven Rinella?

  These dudes watch, these dudes watch too many movies where the bad guys got like a pistol that goes pew.

• 2:05:47Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 2:05:48Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. It's like they watched too many, they're like, oh, that, that's, yeah, the guns like you know, like, yeah, that's no good. It's like, dude, it's just not like that. You know what's crazy? Uh, so I, my kids are, uh, 11, it changes so often. I can't remember, but like 11, 13, 16, 11, 13, 16. My kids, yeah, every year.

• 2:06:11Steven Rinella?

  They've never shot, they've never shot a rifle that wasn't suppressed. I'm not joking. My, my, my older one has now, but my 11, my 13, they've never shot rifles that weren't suppressed.

• 2:06:20Speaker 03

  Perfect.

• 2:06:21Steven Rinella?

  They're not scared of them. Like they are not scared. All the flinching and crying and all that. They are not scared of rifles. They love it.

• 2:06:30Speaker 03

  That's awesome.

• 2:06:31Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. So I do feel like, um, whatever happens, I feel like there's a shift, you know, there's, there's like, there's a sort of shift that, you know, dope smokers will appreciate this. When they started like legalizing all that, there's like a shift that's just going to be hard to put back. You know what I'm saying? It's going to be hard to go down the road. Like as my kids become like voting age or whatever, and other shooters, it's going to be hard. It's, it's going to seem like lunacy to them.

• 2:06:59Speaker 03

  True.

• 2:06:59Steven Rinella?

  When someone says, oh, no, no, no, no, no. Uh, we want your gun to be real loud. It's just, it's going to seem crazy to them because they were raised on it. It wasn't like me where they're in their 40s or whatever, you know, when, when, when they discover this. It's just going to be very second nature to them that like, that, that that's what it is. Like that's how shooting is. That's how rifles are.

• 2:07:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree.

• 2:07:20Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. All right, man. Thanks for coming on and explaining that to us.

• 2:07:24Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me, sir.

• 2:07:25Steven Rinella?

  All right. Appreciate it. Take it easy.

• 2:07:26Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Yes, sir.

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