Is the Car Market Cooling? Doug Wants to Buy Another Car?!

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

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• 1:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  I'm Kenan.

• 1:08Speaker 04

  I'm Crazy Nick.

• 1:09Doug DeMuro?

  And today, there's a lot to talk about. Let's start with the A2.

• 1:14Speaker 03

  The A2.

• 1:15Doug DeMuro?

  We got an Audi A2 here. And wow. Wow. What an experience.

• 1:23Speaker 03

  I am very happy the A2 is here. I've only moved it around the office. I haven't driven it, but it is, it's a nice little car.

• 1:30Doug DeMuro?

  Let me explain what happened a little bit. We posted this video and everyone in the comments is like Doug broke his rule, bought a car. I want to be clear about something here. I didn't pay for it. I'm not storing it at my home. I don't really plan to drive it again. I'm not on the title. Now Nick on the other.

• 1:50Speaker 04

  Let me, hold on though. What's the title of that YouTube video?

• 1:53Doug DeMuro?

  Well, we titled it that way.

• 1:54Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no. It says, "I bought a car." I'm going to be printing that thumbnail, framing it and delivering it to you.

• 1:59Doug DeMuro?

  However, in the very first sentence of the video, I said that it is Cars and Bins bought the car.

• 2:04Speaker 04

  I just skipped to the end.

• 2:07Doug DeMuro?

  That's what the commenters do. You know, I will say-

• 2:09Speaker 04

  The biggest news story, Doug bought a car. Next story.

• 2:11Doug DeMuro?

  I will say two things. Number one, the lack of nuance is interesting.

• 2:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:18Doug DeMuro?

  And as you're a content creator and you realize that, you start to understand how some politicians can make their rises.

• 2:24Speaker 04

  Well, funny enough too-

• 2:25Doug DeMuro?

  It really hits you like, okay, you can really kind of trick people.

• 2:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:32Doug DeMuro?

  The other thing is- Obviously, I didn't buy this car. Disavow it. It's been sitting in the office for weeks. It doesn't have plates. Nick screwed all that up, by the way. What a surprise. But, uh, I am interested in a car.

• 2:45Speaker 04

  You know, he just said all this stuff about nuance, so then accused me messing up the paperwork and not himself, but we'll go there.

• 2:51Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not part of it. I didn't do anything!

• 2:53Speaker 04

  Somebody told the importer the wrong LLC.

• 2:56Doug DeMuro?

  Sure I did at all. I didn't do any- okay.

• 2:58Speaker 04

  Uh huh, uh huh.

• 2:59Doug DeMuro?

  I was not part of it.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  No, but there is another car that you-

• 3:03Doug DeMuro?

  I am, I will say, I did not buy this car legitimately. It's not mine. It's not here. I'm not driving it. However, it's here. It's not my house. However, I am considering a car.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  Yes, and fortuitously, an anonymous fan recently sent us a gift that arrived. It happens to be, it pertains to the car that he is thinking about.

• 3:21Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, some random dude sent us this.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  993 Turbo.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  In the right color.

• 3:25Speaker 03

  In the right color, arena red. It looks very nice.

• 3:28Doug DeMuro?

  Just last week, I was just, I like got, I spent like an hour deep diving on 993 turbos again. And I kind of am like, you know, I kind of want one.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  You been sitting on this?

• 3:36Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, a little. I'm not like, I'm serious only in as much as if a nice arena listed, I would pursue it, but it's like a once a year occurrence.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  Want me to hit up that guy in Jackson Hole again?

• 3:46Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I forgot.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  Remember on Facebook Marketplace?

• 3:48Doug DeMuro?

  Don't tell anybody about that! There is no 993 Turbo for sale in Jackson Hole.

• 3:53Speaker 04

  Good luck even if you find the guy. He responds in broken English with like tweet length of responses, so you gotta buy it blind, basically.

• 4:02Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I, I, so anyway, the A2 is cool and, and, and Nick's got his multiple, but I am legitimately considering actually myself.

• 4:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:12Doug DeMuro?

  Going back down the 993 turbo. You gotta find me an arena. It's, it, I, I want a very specific car. That's why I have never pulled the trigger on it before. It's just like, what I'm looking for is so hard to find.

• 4:21Speaker 03

  I'll bet if it came up, you still wouldn't buy it. The market would value it too much. It would, someone would upbid you, but you know, I didn't buy it, then you'd be glad that you didn't buy it.

• 4:27Doug DeMuro?

  I am not willing to do the legwork.

• 4:29Speaker 03

  That is part of buying a car. So that does.

• 4:32Doug DeMuro?

  And I don't want to do it. So I openly admit that. And, and, and if a car fell in my lap, if, if, if, which by the way, happened, like this week.

• 4:40Speaker 03

  This did actually.

• 4:41Doug DeMuro?

  It literally fell into my lap. It just showed up at the office. If that happened to a really, like if you're a dealer out there trying to unload an arena 993 turbo, ship it to us. I'll pay for it. I'll buy the car, but it has to get here and I have to do nothing. And I don't want a Euro and I don't want stupid mods. I want a stock US ride height arena 993 turbo. Don't care about interior color.

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. And then here's the kicker. So what are you going to shell out for this? What do you, what do you want to pay?

• 5:07Doug DeMuro?

  They're like, they're worth like 200 to 250.

• 5:09Speaker 03

  So you pay 250?

• 5:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'll pay. I'm, I'm ready. I'll do it.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  You're not going to do this?

• 5:13Doug DeMuro?

  No, I'm not because they're, they're not around. They don't exist. Well.

• 5:17Speaker 03

  And even so, this is another thing. You'll go down a rabbit hole. You'll be hyperbolic about a car and then in two weeks, you still have not bought and you're like, yeah, I'm over it.

• 5:24Doug DeMuro?

  Of course, in two weeks, I'm not, this is, finding a car like this, an arena 993 turbo US car with mid miles that's like usable, not low miles, not a zillion, but like mid miles, there would be like a six mile, nine.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  I know. It's the hard thing to do.

• 5:38Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not doing.

• 5:39Speaker 03

  And, uh, you know, you're going to fall short and not do it.

• 5:41Doug DeMuro?

  That's fine with me. In this case, that's fine with me.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  Let me summarize the story then.

• 5:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 5:45Speaker 04

  The news is Doug bought a car. Doug is a Porsche guy.

• 5:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  Doug wants to buy another car now that he's broken the seal.

• 5:52Speaker 03

  Doug won't buy a car.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  Great news story. What about some in the automotive industry?

• 5:57Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, we, I want to talk really briefly. The other person who bought a car this week was, uh, the other car news story. We got a Fiat Multipla.

• 6:03Speaker 04

  The Multipla also in the background of your shot.

• 6:05Doug DeMuro?

  It is interesting to me, having the two cars around each other as they've been basically since they arrived, little, little twins, but not identical.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 6:13Doug DeMuro?

  Fraternal. Um, the Multipla is a far more interesting car. One of the comments we've been getting is Doug, you, I thought you learned your lesson from the A-Class. I did, which is why I didn't buy it. Like, I got, I knew day one, I have no interest in this car, do not want to drive it, do not want to have it around. The Multipla though, is still a boring car to drive, but just exciting enough.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:35Doug DeMuro?

  That it's like not boring.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  The, the, the windows going so low and so high, you feel like you're driving a fishbowl in a way that's disorienting and like really, the A2 is comfortable and like, yeah, if you can't see the exterior, you kind of think, oh, I'm just in like an old A3 or like A4, like the red LEDs, all of that looks just Audi. There's nothing in the Multipla that you don't catch your eye and think, what on earth am I, like I am driving a literal fishbowl down the freeway and people are looking at me like I'm driving a literal fishbowl down the freeway.

• 7:06Doug DeMuro?

  And the, the, the climate vents that look like a robot.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  In the middle, and then there's nothing in front of you. I mean, just so much weird.

• 7:13Doug DeMuro?

  Well, and the whole, the whole thing.

• 7:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:15Doug DeMuro?

  It's amazing. And I think, I think the lesson here is if you're gonna do this, a car that looks interesting, like the A2 and the A-Class, isn't enough. And I knew that with the A-Class, which is why I didn't want to go down this road. But a car that, the Multipla is more than just looks interesting. It like is interesting and weird. I, I am curious how long this lasts.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I agree. The novelty will eventually wear off.

• 7:34Doug DeMuro?

  And then when it does wear off, you're driving a hundred horsepower diesel car.

• 7:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:38Doug DeMuro?

  You can't really get parts.

• 7:39Speaker 04

  Agreed, although it makes a good commuter. Like it, it sips diesel and it, it fits all of your stuff. Like I think I'll have a use for it as a just normal go to the grocery store.

• 7:48Doug DeMuro?

  Be nice to get a title on it. Uh, Nick and I, Nick's been driving around no plates.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Well, I think that's actually what also adds to the driving experience. Like every time a cop goes behind you, you get this adrenaline rush. It's been driving around.

• 7:59Doug DeMuro?

  Every just have more than once. Nick, last, yesterday Nick drove me home from the office and we get on the freeway and emerges right in front of California Patrol and they're the only ones who care about plates. Like the local cops.

• 8:09Speaker 03

  STD, yeah.

• 8:10Doug DeMuro?

  But, but, but the California Patrol and the problem with that car is you can't do one of those like things like you see on Instagram. The guys are like looking at the cop because the windows are so big that if you start turning around looking, it's clear that like you're trying to hide something.

• 8:24Speaker 04

  After I dropped you off, I got tailed by a Durango K9 unit Camp Pendleton Marine Police or something like that. Like I was like, oh my God, they're gonna eat me if they like catch me like this is, I gotta get home.

• 8:38Doug DeMuro?

  The dog sees it, oh, a planet plus, let's go after it.

• 8:41Speaker 04

  It does look like a giant squeaky toy.

• 8:42Speaker 03

  Sick of boys.

• 8:43Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. We'll talk more about the A2 and the multiple in the car segment, but that is news. That is legitimate automotive news.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  Doug is back on cars.

• 8:50Doug DeMuro?

  A couple of weeks now, Cars and Bids has created real automotive news. The Cayenne, green Cayenne manual sale and now the A2 and the multiple. We are market makers.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 9:02Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Move on to what's actually happening. Rubicon four by E, the Renegade Gladiator is what it's called. Thank you.

• 9:08Speaker 04

  Ruby star red.

• 9:09Doug DeMuro?

  They, yeah, they announced they were gonna do a four by E version that is canceled. Flip to the next slide.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  Did they, did they never do a four by E? Like they canceled?

• 9:18Doug DeMuro?

  They were gonna do it and didn't. The Nissan Ariya, and I went to the press launch for the Nissan Ariya and I remember how excited Nissan was to debut this car. Three years ago, canceled. And move on to the next slide. Porsche has officially announced something that we were certain was coming.

• 9:34Speaker 03

  Yes, they have said that they're going, they're slowing their roll with EVs and that into the 2030s, you will be able to buy gasoline powered cars. Now the market was not happy about that. So they, they, their stock fell on Monday by 7% and also Volkswagen Group, which backed Porsche's decision to do this and said, we will financially, you know, support Porsche through this, also fell by 7%. So tough day to be, uh, tough day to be.

• 9:59Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I have a suspicion the stock fell because by retooling their strategy, it's gonna have an effect on earnings because they're gonna have to spend money they weren't planning on spending into like redevelop.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  Yes, they did announce they reduced their projected profit margin from seven to 2%, which is quite a while.

• 10:13Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. However, this is the proverbial drawing the line on the thing to extend the life of the nine 11. Just like, just like, uh, what's his name? Schultz. Shoots, whatever. Peter Schutz, what was his name?

• 10:26Speaker 03

  Peter Schutz, I think it was.

• 10:27Doug DeMuro?

  This is that. The Boxster and specifically, the Boxster and Cayman have been, it is being said by Porsche now, the Boxster and Cayman will offer a gasoline-powered version, although they are implying that the base models will still be electric and it'll be the top versions, which are gas-powered. Which, by the way, that's actually a pretty good idea.

• 10:46Speaker 03

  I'm fine with that, actually. Yeah, that sounds very appealing.

• 10:48Doug DeMuro?

  Make people pay more for gas power. We want to anyway.

• 10:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, like a manual.

• 10:51Doug DeMuro?

  Like a manual. So now this gives us a second opportunity for them to do a manual Spyder RS. Maybe I don't want a I-93 Turbo after all.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  And just like that. No, don't hurt it, though. That's a nice model. No, don't hurt it.

• 11:03Doug DeMuro?

  Let's take it out.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, so take it out of the box and play with it.

• 11:06Speaker 03

  No, do you have to leave it in the box?

• 11:08Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, the point is, the point is, obviously, big decision, big news for Porsche. But we have been kind of expecting it. I'll never forget, a year ago, when I dropped off my CROCGT for service, and for the recall, and they said, "McCons are not selling, they're not even sold when they come in." It was like, ding ding, like the alarm bells are going off.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  I've seen so few of them on the road, and we are in peak EV country right here in SoCal.

• 11:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, peak, like, wealthy EV country. Like, this is it. If you're not selling them here, and they're okay. I see a few of them.

• 11:38Speaker 04

  I see a few, but not that many. Like, I certainly see more Model Ys and all of that from people that could afford the Macan, and it's like, eh, I'm good.

• 11:45Speaker 03

  Yep.

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• 12:16Speaker 03

  Again, it ties in. It is interesting, because last week, I talked about how Porsche felt that they were making the right decision with EVs.

• 12:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  And then on Friday, to have them go through all this, and then it's like, again, yes, maybe the right move is for the base model. And I'm sure the cars will be good, because they will come eventually.

• 12:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 12:32Speaker 03

  It is interesting.

• 12:33Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna make a prediction right here on the pod. Gas cars will be available into the 2030s and beyond.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  And beyond. I do agree with that personally.

• 12:42Doug DeMuro?

  Like, it's 25. Like, it'll be 26 in 90 days. Like, it'll be beyond 2030. They will be mid, late 2030s into the 2040s will still be driving gas Porsches.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Tax credits ended this month or is ending this month. So like, and that's gonna continue for at least the rest of this administration. So there's not really, like, you can't price it competitively without those. So, yeah, I can't see why people would bother.

• 13:05Doug DeMuro?

  There will be a follow-up to Trump who probably will moderate some of this behavior, whether it's a Republican or a Democrat. But the world seems to have shifted away a little bit from EVs in recent years. It'll shift back one day. It'll almost have to.

• 13:18Speaker 03

  I think it's inevitable.

• 13:19Doug DeMuro?

  But, yeah, I think in the end, the EV world will win this fight. But it may not be tomorrow like we thought it would be. It may be like the day after tomorrow or next week, proverbially.

• 13:29Speaker 03

  And I think that, again, if the mass number of cars on the roads are EVs and the infrastructure and clean energy then rises to meet the demand of electricity, I think that that, for normal cars, is viable. And you can have your fun, interesting sports cars with a gasoline engine that are used so infrequently, like, the impact on the environment is pretty negligible. I think that can exist realistically because that's what Porsche customers want, and that's what the, like, customers of most sports cars wants. And that's, you know, exemplified in the values of cars on the secondary market, how they continue to rise for these cars from the golden era 05.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, you hit the nail on the head. The last companies that should electrify are sports car makers.

• 14:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 14:07Speaker 04

  We want the experience of it. Do that with your minivans, your SUVs, your commuter cars. Like, the Cayman should really be the last car to go EV of the entire lineup, from my perspective.

• 14:18Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't you have an electric car yet?

• 14:21Doug DeMuro?

  You don't commute, your wife doesn't commute, you drop your kids off at daycare near your house. What? Get it. Why don't you have a Nissan Leaf?

• 14:26Speaker 04

  I have thought about a Leaf for like, six grand or 500.

• 14:29Doug DeMuro?

  No, I'm talking about the new one. It's over there.

• 14:31Speaker 04

  No.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  I don't buy new cars. I don't think I've never in my life bought a new car. I don't think I would start buying a new car.

• 14:38Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't you buy that Ford Focus new?

• 14:40Speaker 04

  My wife bought that.

• 14:41Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it's a technicality.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:43Doug DeMuro?

  And what we're hearing today is Nick buys new cars.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  I'm not on the title.

• 14:46Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not on the title.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 14:48Speaker 03

  You two just weaseling around. I gotta buy something.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  We regret buying that new.

• 14:52Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, you're on your third trans, right?

• 14:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, you know, I'm not, I think EVs have a purpose and as like I recommend to people much like you do.

• 15:00Doug DeMuro?

  But why don't you buy an EV other, not a new Nissan Leaf realistically, but like a $16,000 something or other.

• 15:05Speaker 04

  I work from home. What do I need gas efficiency for? My Arnage gets eight miles per gallon. My Mercy gets about eight. Like, I don't even need a car that has like a dozen miles per gallon.

• 15:13Doug DeMuro?

  Fair.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  The Multiply actually probably does 40, 50.

• 15:16Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, interesting. That's fair. The Multiply, yeah, that's your gas efficient car.

• 15:21Speaker 04

  It's like an EV.

• 15:22Doug DeMuro?

  So this has teamed up, I guess we already covered the next story, which is that Porsche's shares have all fallen on everything. Porsche's going down the tubes for God's sake. Buy the old ones.

• 15:31Speaker 03

  I'll tell you, it does seem like they are going, well, speaking of the 993, it feels like they're going through a tough time right now, which is wild because they make some of the most desirable sports cars around. Everybody wants a Porsche.

• 15:42Doug DeMuro?

  Tough time in the sense that the stock price is going through a tough time, but I think it's important to separate the speculative purchasing of the stock from the brand itself, which continues to increase in sales and to offer desirable cars and to have a very strong brand name, one of the strongest in the whole world.

• 16:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:00Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche's fine. The stock price might be taking a hit because we're gonna see some restriction in their profits and such with this new strategy. Porsche's fine. It's all good. There might not be some bonuses paid at the level that we thought they would be to executives over the next couple of years. They're gonna be fine.

• 16:18Speaker 04

  Says the big time Porsche guy.

• 16:21Doug DeMuro?

  That does scare me about getting a 993 Turbo. It's just such a good.

• 16:25Speaker 04

  You would become peak Porsche guy.

• 16:26Speaker 03

  Mercedes and Porsche.

• 16:27Speaker 04

  I'd have to get you Houndstooth sneakers and like the.

• 16:30Speaker 03

  Oh, we can finally get him a watch.

• 16:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:32Speaker 03

  I'll start wearing one.

• 16:33Doug DeMuro?

  It would be the, I guess I had a 996 Turbo for like four months, 13 years ago. And then I had the Carrera GT. That was the only Porsche I ever had. Now I've had like 11 Mercedes's, including two right now.

• 16:45Speaker 03

  You are, you are actually a Mercedes Benz guy.

• 16:47Doug DeMuro?

  Don't tell people that. They don't know that.

• 16:51Speaker 03

  I mean, all I hear is how great the E450 all-terrain is, you know?

• 16:55Doug DeMuro?

  The E450 all-terrain.

• 16:56Speaker 04

  The guy that's trying to buy my mercy said, "Oh, I just picked up a 992 Turbo." And I go, "Oh, my wife has a Porsche. They're great commuters." And he was like, "Oh, sick bird." Like, I'm just talking smack on him because he thought a Porsche was cool. And I'm like, "Nope, not impressed."

• 17:13Speaker 03

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• 18:23Doug DeMuro?

  All right, move on to the next, uh, move on to the next, oh!

• 18:26Speaker 03

  Ah, yes, Bentley, so.

• 18:28Doug DeMuro?

  Something ugly.

• 18:28Speaker 03

  A couple of weeks ago, I talked about how Bentley was going to be coming out with, they announced they're going to be coming out with an electric SUV. Well, here it is, finally testing on the road. So we're getting closer. Again, I think that EVs, particularly in the luxury space, make a ton of sense because they weigh a lot anyway. The motor really is not a part of the experience, although we love the W12. Really, what we love is the whoosh of performance, and electric just gives that to you, and it's silent.

• 18:51Doug DeMuro?

  This is gonna be full electric?

• 18:52Speaker 03

  Full electric, that was my understanding, so we'll...

• 18:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yawn city.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, we'll see.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  I'm shocked at how many.

• 18:59Doug DeMuro?

  We get turbo Bentleys.

• 19:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't like my turbo Bentley anymore. That's another story. I'm shocked at how many Spectres I see. Again, I know I'm in a bubble and blah, blah, blah, but like plated non-dealer Spectres are around and like people seem to be into them.

• 19:13Doug DeMuro?

  Agreed.

• 19:13Speaker 04

  So I don't think that this is a terrible strategy.

• 19:16Doug DeMuro?

  Very expensive car.

• 19:16Speaker 03

  But what's again, I'm just a little concerned about the like EV adoption still is not great. Like, yes, it probably will look, I would imagine, not that different than the Benteke unless they're going to call us a different model and style it differently. And so it feels like the electrified G-Wagon looks identical to the G-Wagon.

• 19:34Doug DeMuro?

  And it's gonna sell the same way as poorly.

• 19:35Speaker 03

  And they don't sell them at all. So is this gonna be the same thing with, but in this particular case, again, I think for luxury cars, EV makes a lot of sense.

• 19:42Speaker 04

  And foreign markets.

• 19:43Speaker 03

  Do those people care about, you know, having a V12?

• 19:45Doug DeMuro?

  Part of the allure of some of these cars has been the powertrains. And anybody can now get a Tesla that's incredibly fast and that sort of has a luxury image to it, even though they sell as many as Honda cores, it doesn't make any sense.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, but let's be real. You ask most Benteke owners what engine they have on their hood, they have no idea.

• 20:00Doug DeMuro?

  I guess.

• 20:00Speaker 04

  I don't think they can.

• 20:01Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of Benteke owners also have Teslas.

• 20:03Speaker 03

  That's probably, well, yeah. And then this would be like, no big deal to them. I think it matters less with the luxury segment than it does with the G-Wagon, which admittedly is luxury segment.

• 20:13Doug DeMuro?

  I'm curious to see what'll happen. I'm not entirely sure. There was a plug-in hybrid Fiingsport didn't do well. What other EV luxuries have there been? Spectre is like.

• 20:22Speaker 03

  Well, but the Spectre has been selling quite well.

• 20:25Doug DeMuro?

  It seems to be selling okay considering that it is a two-door coupe.

• 20:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:29Doug DeMuro?

  In a world that it does not want a two-door coupe and it costs like $450,000.

• 20:33Speaker 03

  Right. And like you said, the younger, like we talked about several podcasts ago, the younger people are buying them. And that's become a great contingent of Rolls-Royce owners. So.

• 20:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  I don't know. I'm curious to see how it ends up, but it's out there.

• 20:45Doug DeMuro?

  Turbo Bentley, man.

• 20:46Speaker 04

  I got one coming up. No reserve.

• 20:48Doug DeMuro?

  Big engine turbo, but wouldn't touch that car.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  Six and three-quarter liter.

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Two valves.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  All yours, bud.

• 20:56Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna get so little money for that car after all this, the stuff you said about it. Now, speaking of electric cars, we got our next news story, which is.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  The big one.

• 21:03Doug DeMuro?

  The big boy. The Aspark Owl, they've revealed a Roadster, which is amazing because they haven't yet revealed a coupe.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  It's got 1,214 bajillion horsepower, 0 to 60 in negative 14 seconds.

• 21:20Speaker 03

  But it gets spotted mouse in a field three miles away?

• 21:23Speaker 04

  Yup, yup, yup. It can do anything you want it.

• 21:25Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, the Aspark Owl has perennially been a source of controversy on this podcast, the butt of many jokes, because it's ridiculously named and it doesn't exist.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  It's mostly the name, though.

• 21:36Doug DeMuro?

  It's mostly the name. And, uh, and now it's here as a roadster. And by God, I can't wait to not see any of these, just like I've not seen any of the coupes.

• 21:47Speaker 03

  That's right. We went to Car Week, didn't see it. There was one last year, but it didn't move under its own power, and we never saw it. And I suspect actually that'll happen again.

• 21:57Speaker 04

  I do like 24 hours before this debut, they tease, "Something new is coming." Then what they revealed is the same exact car, just with 5% less.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  Do you think it is actually the same car and they just cut the roof off of it and painted it a different color?

• 22:10Speaker 04

  Like that other car?

• 22:11Doug DeMuro?

  Like what Lamborghini used to do back in the day with Bob Wallace? Like they would just drive the car between auto shows and paint it like in the parking lot and it's a different car?

• 22:18Speaker 03

  That's right. I think that might be exactly what they've done here.

• 22:23Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I for one am pumped about it. And you can see that the people around the car are also excited. For instance, this whole contingent of 20 of them are not currently looking at the car. But I'm sure at one point, they will.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  Don't you think from this particular angle, it does look a little owl-like? Like, do you see it? I see it.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  It does look bird of prey-ish.

• 22:39Doug DeMuro?

  I never liked how it looked. I never liked anything about it. I guess it looks a little owl. You got a little A on the Aspark logo there. What a, what a, what a beauty. What a dang beauty.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, well.

• 22:50Speaker 03

  This is gonna be, you think this is gonna be like the vector of our generation?

• 22:53Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it won't ever be desirable because it's pure electric.

• 22:56Speaker 04

  I think a lot of people are gonna cancel their Tesla Roadster reservations and put down an allocation here.

• 23:01Doug DeMuro?

  You know what this car costs?

• 23:03Speaker 04

  TBD.

• 23:04Doug DeMuro?

  TBD. Yeah, I don't think they've ever said. Okay, uh.

• 23:08Speaker 03

  They haven't said, cause they don't know.

• 23:09Speaker 04

  They gotta build one first to know how much it costs.

• 23:11Doug DeMuro?

  They gotta figure out what the development costs all were and all that, but they're still developing.

• 23:15Speaker 03

  They're just trying to scam investors. That's what they're trying.

• 23:17Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, they're not scammers over at Aspark. They're gonna make a car. They're gonna make a car. God, look at this image, the, the multi plot in the Aspark owl.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:25Doug DeMuro?

  Right in the same frame there.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  Two car salutes.

• 23:28Doug DeMuro?

  Here is a beautiful car. Look at this.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  Boy, that is a tough. The 993 turbo looks good, but.

• 23:33Doug DeMuro?

  All right, give us our next news story. Ah, yes, the Nissan Sentra. Okay, next news story.

• 23:38Speaker 03

  Yep. Did they put the front through a shredder?

• 23:40Doug DeMuro?

  No, look, there is a new Nissan Sentra. I got invited to the press launch for this and I said no, because it's a Nissan Sentra.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:46Doug DeMuro?

  And unless the press launch was happening at my across the street neighbor's house, I wouldn't attend it. However, people did attend it and, uh, and apparently it's okay. It's an okay car.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  I mean, yeah, it would be.

• 24:00Doug DeMuro?

  Kinda, yeah. The problem with the Nissans, when they announce new Nissan sedans, they always have a beautiful picture where it looks like the luxury car like this.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:08Doug DeMuro?

  But then you see it on the road and it's got 13 inch hubcaps, one of which is already missing OE.

• 24:13Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 24:13Doug DeMuro?

  And, you know, the LEDs have been replaced by like a row of bad halogens and this whole front bumper is gray plastic.

• 24:20Speaker 03

  Right. And it's being driven like it's a Formula One car.

• 24:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, right. I mean, within a, within a year, it's like that the new Sentras are already, are already falling into those hands. Well, yeah, they are. So anyway, I've, I've got high hopes, but they're, they'll be dashed quickly.

• 24:33Speaker 03

  High hopes, but low expectations.

• 24:35Speaker 04

  It's, it's exciting times for the procurement department of Hertz and Enterprise.

• 24:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, true. This is gonna be the car you rent.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Ugh. Well, that's thrilling. Next news story. Ah, yes, McLaren. So McLaren has announced recently that they're going to expand their lineup beyond hypercars, within supercars. We've seen Ferrari do this, of course, with the Piro Songway, but they've said specifically, they haven't gone as far as enough to say they're going to make an SUV, but they're going to make another car that carries more than two passengers. Now, of course, McLaren famously has built cars that carry three passengers.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Right, right. That could be, that could be intentionally tripping this up.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  Right. They, they could be potentially tripping us. It is in the speed tail, but.

• 25:10Doug DeMuro?

  There's a lot of possibilities. Could be an F1 type with three seats, although regulatory very difficult.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  I would imagine, yeah.

• 25:17Doug DeMuro?

  Could be an SUV, which makes sense.

• 25:19Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 25:19Doug DeMuro?

  Could be just a four seater.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Shooting brake.

• 25:22Doug DeMuro?

  Like an Evora type car.

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, could be.

• 25:23Doug DeMuro?

  Shooting brake would be cool. Dude, if McLaren did a manual shooting brake,

• 25:28Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:28Doug DeMuro?

  I would still not be into it, but I would be kind of...

• 25:30Speaker 04

  I'd be into it.

• 25:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but you know, they'd find a way to...

• 25:34Speaker 03

  Right, they're going to.

• 25:35Speaker 04

  They've done every variation of the 720S possible, other than shooting brake.

• 25:40Doug DeMuro?

  They're still doing variations of the 720.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  I would argue that the Speedtail's kind of a...

• 25:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.

• 25:47Speaker 04

  The entire company is a variation of the 720.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  It really is long.

• 25:50Doug DeMuro?

  720S, all the variations, 720S, 720S Spider, 750S, 720S Spider, 765LT, plus the spiders of that. Speedtail, Sabre, uh, Senna.

• 26:01Speaker 03

  We're missing, we're missing some, I'm sure.

• 26:03Speaker 04

  Please look at the bottom of the 570s, 600LTs.

• 26:06Doug DeMuro?

  Elva and windshield Elva.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Right, non and with windshield. So, I, I don't know, but what was more interesting to me about this was they underscored that they're going to lean heavily on their relationship with the Chinese automaker NIO. And I think that's kind of an interesting partnership. I don't know exactly what they're going to do, or if this is going to be more EV-focused, which would be, seems like the wrong decision, based on what we've talked about so far. So, I don't know. We're, we'll see, but they've announced that something is coming.

• 26:32Speaker 04

  I would, I would do a curveball here and buy the NIO's Grenadier and make it a McLaren. Make it have to be like the Rambo, Lambo to McLaren, like the LMO.

• 26:41Doug DeMuro?

  I've always felt that, that a missed opportunity for all these, these sports car brands is making an, an LMO 2-style vehicle.

• 26:47Speaker 04

  It's gotta be a brutish one, though. You don't want like an edgy SUV.

• 26:50Doug DeMuro?

  My view is like, if you're making the fastest road car, like, then make the coolest off-roader. Like, like, um, who did that? Ariel. Remember Ariel had the Adam and then they had the Nomad?

• 26:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course, yeah.

• 26:59Doug DeMuro?

  And like, that's what you, to me, like, that's why the LMO 2 was so cool. Like, they already won the, the road car world.

• 27:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:05Doug DeMuro?

  Now, let's conquer the desert racer world. Yeah, Ariel Nomad.

• 27:08Speaker 04

  A LMO.

• 27:09Doug DeMuro?

  So cool. And, but instead, Lamborghini makes the Urus, which is just like the road, it's not the same. Urus has been great, and it's a great car and it sells well, but it's not the same.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  The G squared, I mean, like, they just, there's so many cool ways to do this.

• 27:19Doug DeMuro?

  And NIO's Grenadier-style McLaren, I think, would be super cool.

• 27:22Speaker 04

  And it meets their audience demographic really well.

• 27:24Doug DeMuro?

  It does.

• 27:25Speaker 04

  Like, newer money, like, they won.

• 27:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it would just, it would work. With thunder flares and a boxy design, but they're not willing to like, actually have a old Defender.

• 27:32Speaker 04

  And, and they'll have low expectations for reliability, which...

• 27:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  Perfect. Yeah. It's got a BMW power plant, just like the F1.

• 27:39Doug DeMuro?

  You'd probably want to replace the power, make it a little faster and probably a little bigger. Make it bulkier.

• 27:43Speaker 03

  They've got that Nissan V8.

• 27:44Doug DeMuro?

  You'd want to be the 250.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  I'm pretty sure any of us would be willing to accommodate those requests.

• 27:48Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. The French, if they're not striking.

• 27:51Speaker 03

  Nonetheless, we wait with bated breath.

• 27:53Doug DeMuro?

  Bated breath. I'm excited to see another variation of 720S, this time with four seats. It's now time to move on to the talk cars segment and we have to talk about cars. And particularly our own car, Xperiai.

• 28:08Doug DeMuro?

  My one was that the Countach is now in for service.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 28:12Speaker 03

  Dropped it off today.

• 28:13Doug DeMuro?

  Me and Kenan dropped it off today. And it needs an oil change and it was leaking from the front, which we think was brake fluid, but it's not leaking anymore. So I don't know.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  And I could not find any sign from any line or the caliper or anything that it was leaking, so.

• 28:26Doug DeMuro?

  So maybe it's fine. But the Countach is, I've driven that car 2,600 miles since I bought it, almost exactly two years ago.

• 28:35Speaker 03

  I gotta give it to you. That is pretty impressive.

• 28:38Doug DeMuro?

  Not a lot of people have driven a, you know, 2,600 miles in two years isn't that much, but like when I have six cars and I don't live here for some of the year and it's a Countach. It's, I try to drive it as much as I can.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  I think there are owners who have never driven it that far the entire time they've had the car. Absolutely.

• 28:52Doug DeMuro?

  And brag about it. This one only got 4,000 kilometers on it.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  Meanwhile, you and Harry Metcalf, the only two people driving it, because Matt Ferris is in a million pieces somewhere.

• 29:01Doug DeMuro?

  There's probably other people, but they're not many.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Not many. Not many. Congratulations.

• 29:06Doug DeMuro?

  We'll see what the service says though. I'm a little anxious because I took it and the trunk latch had broken and then it just needed an annual. And, but you know, you find stuff.

• 29:16Speaker 03

  You find stuff because it's an old car, but I have to be honest with you because I've spent a lot of time with your Countach, you know, running it through its warm-up cycle while you're away and things like that. Car always starts, always runs perfectly, doesn't really leak anything. It is, for as old as it is, it is beautifully serviced and honestly, I would trust that car to drive it a lot of places. And I've driven some exotic cars recently. That's not.

• 29:36Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. I would drive it to Santa Barbara. I'd probably even drive it to Pebble. It would be annoying.

• 29:40Speaker 03

  It would be annoying, loud, hot.

• 29:42Doug DeMuro?

  My Bluetooth tape player would run out of batteries and then I'd be like, what do I do?

• 29:47Speaker 03

  You gotta do it all old car enthusiasts seem to be doing that. Just put AirPods in.

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• 32:51Speaker 03

  Uh, Nick has more talk car stuff though.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  Oh, God.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  Let's talk more. Let's start with the multiple. So you took the multiple to big SoCal Euro, is that true?

• 32:58Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, and Cars and Coffee, but big SoCal Euro, they like shut down multiple street blocks. Like there's, it's a couple thousand cars there. People loved it. It gets the reaction. It reminds me of my old Celine XP8 where the reactions are consistent. Like either what on earth is that thing? Or they give you a very specific memory of when it was like a nostalgic moment of their youth. Like, oh, I studied abroad in Italy. I lived in Europe. My family, I rented one when I was there.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  That's funny.

• 33:24Speaker 04

  Like, so it brings out the best stories and like the excitement for you is like so pure and sincere. Rather than like, hey, cool Lambo, bro, or what have you. So like that part was really cool. One guy was like, I want to marry you. Like people were a little over the top with it.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  But like, it was cool.

• 33:41Speaker 03

  I'm surprised there are people who don't know what it is at that kind of event. I mean, it's, it's a car that is a legend.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  Most people, it's a VW Audi thing. So like, I think the A2 actually would have done it better.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  It, big SoCal Euro, despite its name, is not for Euro. It's like a Volkswagen Audi scene thing. I didn't even consider bringing the A2 until this moment, mostly because it's not mine and it's

• 33:59Speaker 04

  It's not at my house.

• 34:02Doug DeMuro?

  And Nick hasn't finished.

• 34:02Speaker 04

  Yes, it's not yours. It's at your office and then right behind you.

• 34:06Doug DeMuro?

  There's a BMW 700 here. There's a Viper here. You think that Euro van is mine? Should have brought that to Big SoCal Europe. Oh, yeah, probably would have. That'd be it, too. Would have killed.

• 34:16Speaker 04

  But yeah, it did great. Like, people loved it. I brought the Mercia Lago as well. Then afterwards, we did a big photo shoot with the two cars together for the ultimate Italian two-car combo. So really fun day in terms of just like doing weird quirky car stuff and like getting a million looks between the two cars.

• 34:31Doug DeMuro?

  So what are your thoughts on the multiple? You've had the multiple now for, what, a month?

• 34:36Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 34:37Doug DeMuro?

  Few weeks. What do you think?

• 34:39Speaker 04

  I mean, I'm excited for when it's plated. That will help a lot. It leaks two different places. I broke the door trying to do a Whistling Diesel impression, which I didn't realize. And I was like, kind of miffed at the dealer for not disclosing it. And then Sam was like, watch your video again. You were opening the door and shutting it over and over again. So it worked when you got it. And you clearly broke it yourself in Jack.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  So, yeah, but I think it's really cool. Like, I'm super into it. It's fun. And it's like a good palate cleanser after the Arnage, which has just destroyed me. It's at the mechanic again.

• 35:15Doug DeMuro?

  No way. You're kidding.

• 35:17Speaker 04

  I just spent $3,000.

• 35:20Doug DeMuro?

  Nick. Oh, because now you're trying to get some light.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  I have an ABS light, a brake light, a circle with an exclamation point in it, which is just like a general warning that doesn't tell you what it belongs to, an airbag light and a check engine light. So I've got five warning lights on right now. I can't sell it like that.

• 35:36Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I would sell it like that. I would drop it on the site and disclose this car is best suited for a demolition derby and it. We could put project in the title.

• 35:46Speaker 04

  Well, my plan was to sell it on the site, no reserve. I am just, full disclosure, hitting people up on Facebook Marketplace for trades. If I could find someone willing to trade a salvage title viper or similar like I'm I'm down.

• 36:00Doug DeMuro?

  Or a home dishwasher.

• 36:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:02Doug DeMuro?

  A good, a good refrigerator. Good rust free appliance.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  Well, my dad has a 67 Mustang and he's always wanted a Bentley and like I, I think maybe he might be down to bargain.

• 36:11Doug DeMuro?

  Nick. You're gonna do this to your father. I don't want to always be saying I told you so like I do to Sam and others.

• 36:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:18Doug DeMuro?

  But when you bought this car. We've stood right there.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Bentley lived up to every warning and expectation I had or should have had about owning a Bentley.

• 36:26Doug DeMuro?

  I was like really, really anti this car, especially the way you bought it, which as I recall was like.

• 36:32Speaker 04

  The worst of the worst.

• 36:32Doug DeMuro?

  Very sketchily from a sketchy dude. Bring a trailer. And then it shows up and it's even sketchier than it had been disclosed to the point where they refunded your buyer's fee.

• 36:43Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 36:44Doug DeMuro?

  You were stuck with it.

• 36:45Speaker 04

  That one also had a door that didn't open, but I didn't do that one.

• 36:48Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think, as I had suggested at the time, that if you had maybe spent a little more to buy a nicer car, your experience maybe would have been a little different in this vein? Rather than a six, a heavily used multi-owner.

• 37:04Speaker 04

  You know, I hate to give you a win. I think generally you are correct. However, I'm not sure there's actually that many nice ones. I think all of them have fallen into some level of disrepair.

• 37:14Doug DeMuro?

  If you look at the ones for sale, newer ones with lower miles that have been well kept.

• 37:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, wouldn't have been that much more.

• 37:20Doug DeMuro?

  They wouldn't have been that much more.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  I paid 19 for the car and I'm in it 15 in maintenance in one year.

• 37:26Doug DeMuro?

  So you're in the car for 35.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  34.

• 37:30Doug DeMuro?

  You probably could have for 30.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:31Doug DeMuro?

  Or even 40 and then you will end up getting more when you sell it. Cause this car, you're not going to be, you're going to lose real money in. If you had bought for 40 and sold for 35, you lose five. This car, you're going to lose 15, 20.

• 37:43Speaker 04

  I've had a good experience and up until the latest round of repairs, I would have disagreed and said, I've enjoyed it, but this last one's really just like a gut punch where I'm like, I'm done. I went out of this.

• 37:53Doug DeMuro?

  A gut punch that we all saw coming.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 37:56Doug DeMuro?

  But there's usually a gut punch at the end of his ownership. The Maserati, remember the very end, the alternator died and it was like 1,500 bucks when he was like about to get out of it.

• 38:05Speaker 04

  And I was like, almost died in the process.

• 38:07Speaker 03

  Cars you're ready to get rid of do have a tendency to do that.

• 38:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  It always happens.

• 38:11Speaker 04

  Your oil spill on the 355 as you were moving.

• 38:14Speaker 03

  Oil spill was four drops, but yes, it was something I did.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  Exxon Valdez 355s.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 38:21Doug DeMuro?

  This is, see, this is, he does it to you too. He says, I own the eight two. He says, you had an oil spill. None of that's true. However, if the right arena 993 twin turbo showed up. Uh, okay, that's the, your multiple situation, your broken Bentley situation. Can you tell us what happened with the Range Rover, please?

• 38:38Speaker 04

  Oh my God. I will make this, we'll make this one really short. I missed the Borrego P38. My wife misses it. My kids miss it.

• 38:45Doug DeMuro?

  What do you miss about it? It also was broken all the time. It was total crap.

• 38:47Speaker 04

  It was broken all the time.

• 38:49Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember when you took it to that?

• 38:50Speaker 04

  Kind of had to jump me in the middle of an intersection towards the end of my ownership.

• 38:53Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember when you took it to that shop in Sports Arena and the dude had it for a month and when you picked it up, the battery was dead and it wouldn't start?

• 38:59Speaker 04

  It was, it was four months and yes, like, he's like, it's all ready and it wouldn't start. It wouldn't crank. It wouldn't open. It had warning lights. It was leaking. It's like, did you do anything? But I, I, all that being said.

• 39:10Doug DeMuro?

  Go to the one we just sold where Nick was the under bidder on it. Right.

• 39:13Speaker 04

  You know, some people like have like, like, I'm trying to think of how I can phrase this that won't get cut. Some people are attracted to life partners that put them in unfortunate circumstances and have bad taste in the other gender or the same gender.

• 39:30Doug DeMuro?

  Attracted to.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  I am that way with cars. I have like Stockholm syndrome where the, the abuse is part of the appeal.

• 39:35Doug DeMuro?

  So this was a no reserve car?

• 39:36Speaker 04

  It was a no reserve car and I knew through the P38 community, enough people to vouch that this was actually a really nice one. And it was cheap and I had a conference call starting at like the top of the hour and this was ending at like 9:57. And so I just threw a bid in at 10, 10. And then that was the longest minute of my life, watching that timer reset. The guy beat me by one single bid.

• 39:58Doug DeMuro?

  You almost ended up with another yellow range. If you had done that, we all would have disowned you after the Bentley experience, after already having one of these. Nick, Nick.

• 40:06Speaker 04

  It's a special car.

• 40:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's a disease in the friend group. When you sell these cars, you're selling them because you're done with them.

• 40:12Speaker 03

  He wasn't done with this though. He sold it because we, the content arc had reached its conclusion. But I think that he wanted to go further with it and he probably would still have it.

• 40:22Doug DeMuro?

  But he's over lowballing people on Facebook Marketplace on X, selling XP8s again.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  Including for P38s.

• 40:26Doug DeMuro?

  But you're doing it on XP8s again. He was done with that one. He, we didn't even do content with that. He sold it willingly and now he's trying to get another one.

• 40:34Speaker 03

  You know why? I can relate to this because, you know, I've been having a tough time recently and all you kind of want is that sensation of home. You go back to what you know and for him, it's those cars. He's been going back to those.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  Actually, I might be buying an ML55 today as well, which is home because that was, I took one to prom, an ML320.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  Did you really?

• 40:51Speaker 04

  Uh huh. It was my dad's car at the time.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. A 98 first model year.

• 40:56Doug DeMuro?

  What is wrong with you?

• 40:57Speaker 04

  Ed, Ed got one at auction today and he's willing to sell it to me very cheap.

• 41:00Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, Nick, stop this. Get rid of the Bentley first. You know what's funny though? You know what car he never talks about one back? That Quattroporte.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  That Quattroporte, yeah.

• 41:08Speaker 04

  Rest in peace.

• 41:09Doug DeMuro?

  That happened.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  That one, that one went its full arc. I'm good.

• 41:11Doug DeMuro?

  And I bet we'll feel the same way about the R9.

• 41:13Speaker 03

  It looks so cool and sounded great, but yeah, it was so normal and.

• 41:17Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. That is Nick's situation. Crazy Nick lives up to the hype. He imported a Multipla. He almost accidentally bought another yellow Range Rover.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  And he continues to lowball people on Facebook Marketplace.

• 41:28Doug DeMuro?

  Lowballing people on Facebook Marketplace and his Bentley is in the shop for the 19th time. Addressing five warning lights. Like he's had the car for a year and there's still five warning lights on.

• 41:37Speaker 03

  Now, how many of these were present before you did the clock spring, out of curiosity? And you left the battery in?

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Well, the airbag light was on.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:43Speaker 04

  One out of five.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  So some would say the fact that the manual said you're supposed to unplug this is probably on you and not on the car.

• 41:48Speaker 04

  Serious PSI, unplugging your airbag. I thought it was just like a safety thing to make sure it didn't blow up in your face, which, fine, whatever. But no, it, it messes your, your electronic system. That's why you do it. So take the time. But yeah, I, the, basically the reason I started a YouTube channel is I got so much stuff like this going on that I can't jam it into the car pod once a month when I joined, so.

• 42:09Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta follow along Nick's YouTube channel, uh, which is, which is his name, but he's called it, he started introducing himself as Crazy Nick.

• 42:16Speaker 03

  Right. He's just Nick.

• 42:17Speaker 04

  Trying to add some continuity. And also get people something to expect since it seems like it was edited by a hamster on Adderall.

• 42:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, and that's There's some good hamster in there. This is good content. This is not the Maserati Quattroporte cold start, which I think was just in the Cars and Bids auction.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  Did you hear that cold start, Tom?

• 42:35Speaker 04

  Pretty tasty.

• 42:35Doug DeMuro?

  He's got some good stuff.

• 42:36Speaker 04

  And my PCM

• 42:37Doug DeMuro?

  His PCM is the best video I've ever seen.

• 42:39Speaker 04

  Wireless carplay retrofit and Sam's dining room table with

• 42:42Doug DeMuro?

  And I think I was there, I think having a beer, I'm literally having a cold one. The last two videos especially have been like banger videos that you should be watching. Nick is making real content about real stuff. And the next video might have a cheap ML55 in it.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Me eating that Taco Bell in front of a relaxed back was for you.

• 43:01Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't understand any of that. I watched that part of the video and it, for me, was I was just like, wow, Nick's on the Taco Bell.

• 43:08Speaker 04

  I wanted to show it being used in practical scenarios that Americans would. So I went through a drive-through and then I drove past a strip mall.

• 43:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, what, the drive-through? Subscribe to you from the Cars and Bids account.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  Subscribe.

• 43:20Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we gotta move on to the market report. Market report, market report. The market report is brought to you by Cars and Bids. No, the market report, Flip is not here, he's not gonna fight me. The market report is brought to you by Nick's YouTube channel. Go to Nick's YouTube channel. Go back to it. Nick's YouTube channel brings us today the market report. Nick, thank you so much for the generous sponsorship fee of $0.

• 43:40Speaker 04

  You're welcome.

• 43:41Doug DeMuro?

  $0. By the way, speaking of Hoovy coming up there, did you see that comment Hoovy left on my video? Yeah, the vitriol. I made a video last week. I posted a video. I actually record, those Sunday videos, I record like nine of them at once. So I made that video even before you were into the SLR. And the video was called Cars That Are Not Going Up In Value. It was right there, yeah. And this one. And it was a little bit of a controversial video, and I knew that going in, saying certain cars wouldn't go up in value. Hoovy chimes in. And the SLR, I said, I said that the SLR was one of the cars that isn't going up in value. Hoovy chimes in and he says, my SLR's been great, because I think one of the things I talked about was how it breaks.

• 44:19Doug DeMuro?

  It's difficult to own, so people say. My LSLR's been great. It hasn't been expensive, been going to the Indy, et cetera, et cetera. I think you Put this in the video to help depress values so your cheapskate friend Nick can buy one. Now, two things about this. First off, I am flattered that Hoovy thinks that my Sunday content is anything more than me simply attempting to fill a hole in my video sketch. I'm flattered that he thinks there's more strategy to it than that. There is not. But most importantly, Nick is obsessed with the SLR now. He wants to get an SLR. The genesis of his obsession is as follows. Over the summer, I kept, we have a group chat, a car group chat, and I got like really into SLRs over the summer. And I started texting

• 45:00Doug DeMuro?

  the group thread about values, and no one would talk to me about it. There's like nine people in this thread, no one cared.

• 45:07Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 45:07Doug DeMuro?

  So we get to Monterey, and so now it's August 15. We're in Monterey. I've already filmed this video. And I bring up the SLR briefly to Nick after having all summer mentioned it. And then Nick like freaks out. It's like, the SLR, the SLR. Why don't I get an SLR? I should get an SLR. I could get an SLR. And to the point where he starts going up to random strangers at Quail, where we were when I brought it up to him, saying, what do you think of the SLR? Is the SLR cool? And people are like, who are you?

• 45:38Speaker 03

  He went up to this guy, it was just like the poster child for Gen Z, wearing like baggy, very cool clothes. And I was like, what do you think of the SLR? And he was like, it's fun, I guess. I don't know.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  My boy Brock. I love that guy. Yeah, and I do enjoy that I've gone from crazy Nick to cheapskate Nick.

• 45:55Doug DeMuro?

  Nick Hoovy, who has an SLR.

• 45:57Speaker 04

  I can't disagree with either phrasing. Like, both are accurate.

• 46:01Doug DeMuro?

  So Nick's been like kicking around the idea of buying Hoovy's SLR, which had a fire at one point, and put a Montana plate on it.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, also kinda guilty.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 46:11Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, man, that is absolutely lovely. Anyway, Hoovy, I'm flattered at the thought that I had some sort of big strategy to this. But I promise you, this video was recorded before Nick's SLR obsession, but during my own.

• 46:23Speaker 04

  And Hoovy, I'm interested if you wanna, you know, holler.

• 46:31Speaker 03

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• 48:21Doug DeMuro?

  We gotta talk market reports, starting with the RS4. Pull it up. This is the coolest thing on the site. Nick, tell us about the B5 RS4. You're an Audi man.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm an Audi man, and I am a B5 RS4 man in particular. Beautiful car. Actually, I was speaking to someone at Big SoCal Euro who had owned one of these. And he actually brought his imported S2 to the show, which was really cool. But he's like... Most of the parts are actually shared with an S4, so servicing it is not as difficult as you'd think. Like the Cosworth particular parts.

• 48:49Doug DeMuro?

  I don't understand.

• 48:50Speaker 04

  Are findable and gettable, but like the water pump and like the belts and all that, like same as maintaining a B5 S4. So he's, this guy runs Pacific German, but he's like, no problem. Like that's easily serviceable.

• 49:01Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 49:01Speaker 04

  Won't be an issue.

• 49:02Doug DeMuro?

  I've heard that from other people.

• 49:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:04Doug DeMuro?

  But I don't understand it.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  Cause that's been the only thing holding us back a little bit was, okay, if it's Cosworth tuned, never sold here, how hard will it be? And then the local San Diego shop here says, we don't work on B5s, period.

• 49:14Doug DeMuro?

  The local shop here won't work on B5s, but my understanding was that it wasn't just Cosworth tuned, it was Cosworth's engine. Now, I look at the listing, it's a 2.7 turbo V6.

• 49:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:23Doug DeMuro?

  Which suggests to me it was Cosworth tuned.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  I think Cosworth breathed on it, but I don't think it's proprietary to Cosworth.

• 49:28Doug DeMuro?

  It looked so, it looked so meaty. That engine in there looked so meaty. That's not what the regular B5 S4 motor looks like.

• 49:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's the same engine cover.

• 49:37Doug DeMuro?

  That's interesting.

• 49:38Speaker 04

  But regardless of that, it's.

• 49:40Doug DeMuro?

  Look at that one. That's a nice.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  They're, they're now 25 years old or approaching that. So I think we're going to start to see more. Some were federalized and brought in, some were not.

• 49:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Well, it doesn't matter now.

• 49:50Speaker 04

  Some will come under the 25 years. So we're seeing values all over the place. From like, I think I've seen the highest mileage, non-blue one go for like 60s to like the nicest of the nice hitting 200 because it had no wheels.

• 50:02Doug DeMuro?

  Type in RS4 Avant. We sold a crazy.

• 50:04Speaker 04

  I was an under bidder on one, on the site.

• 50:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. So we've sold a few now. This one was a nice 191. It's important to make the distinction, as you just did though, that.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  Nagaro blue is everything.

• 50:16Doug DeMuro?

  Blue is everything, but also there was a time, this car sold when it was only 20 years old, when it was federalized.

• 50:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:20Doug DeMuro?

  They are, the cars are now 25. In fact, I suspect, although I don't know this, I suspect that's one of the reasons why they're selling it because they're just on the cusp of, when the car becomes not having to be federalized anymore, where you can just bring it in at 25 years old, I suspect we will see more of these.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  2001 is really where they started to hit the stride with production. So, and they do go by the production date, not necessarily the date on.

• 50:41Doug DeMuro?

  When you go back to the listing of the ones that we just had, we actually have already had our first 25er come up. It was this one in France that didn't need to be federalized, which just, or no sale. 65, which I think is a pretty good indication of where the market is gonna start valuing these.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  For a silver one, that's like, it's a, it's a good car, but not anything to write home about.

• 51:02Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, I drove the blue one that we have listed. I drove it back when we sold it the first time. Cause it had been on the site before.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 51:09Doug DeMuro?

  Truly, one of the great driving experiences of my entire life. I have always loved the B5. I had a B5 in college. I've always felt that platform size was fantastic. I love the steering feel. I love the handling. I love the size of the car, how tarsball it is. But I always felt in all the other B5s I drove, that it was just a lit, it wasn't right. It was a little too much on the street. It was a little too underpowered.

• 51:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:27Doug DeMuro?

  I got in this car and it was like, it all came together.

• 51:29Speaker 04

  It fixes everything you didn't like about your RS2.

• 51:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And everything I didn't like about my B5 A4. Like, it like puts, it like fixes both of those issues and the only thing holding me back has been reliability, but that's interesting to hear.

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's interesting.

• 51:41Doug DeMuro?

  Where is this Pacific German located?

• 51:43Speaker 04

  Uh, Orange County, I believe.

• 51:45Doug DeMuro?

  Interesting. You're not doing. Laguna Hills. Don't even, you're not doing. Why shouldn't I? You're not doing a 993. You're not doing this. You know why I won't do the RS4?

• 51:54Speaker 04

  Cause you're off cars.

• 51:55Doug DeMuro?

  There's other things looming. Whoever sent this to us, unbelievable timing. I hadn't even thought about the 993 turbo in a year. And then I just got on it. I just got on it. Well, thank you to whoever it was. It truly showed up anonymous.

• 52:07Speaker 04

  The A2 has opened the floodgates for Doug buying more cars.

• 52:10Doug DeMuro?

  If anything, the A2 reminds me of why I do not like to buy cars. We are in title hell with it right now.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  We're not, we're not. I got all the paperwork together except for one.

• 52:19Doug DeMuro?

  Right, except for one. And the one is the one we need to title it.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  It's a bell of sale.

• 52:24Doug DeMuro?

  We're in title hell right now with the A2. We are in, I wanna get this in my, in my shot. There we go. We're in title hell with the A2. Driving it is not that great. Anytime anything seems like it breaks, you're screwed. You gotta deal with, I don't, I hate this whole process. I like the three, this, why I limited myself to a four car garage. I like the cars I have.

• 52:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's why I've limited myself to one.

• 52:46Doug DeMuro?

  But look at this. Don't you want this instead of your M5?

• 52:48Speaker 03

  No, but it is, it is really cool.

• 52:50Doug DeMuro?

  You would rather have it.

• 52:51Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm excited that they're coming up for sale. It's something I've waited for. The B7 R4, when it comes, I'll be even more excited about.

• 52:57Speaker 03

  B7 R4 Avantis.

• 52:58Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm hoping a couple more of these hit. Now, I've heard two theories, since this is a market report. One, that when the 25-year-old cars come, it drives up the market and demand for all of them and doesn't actually hurt the ones that were federalized before in terms of.

• 53:11Doug DeMuro?

  Which has happened to the Skyline.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  And then I've also heard, hey, no, if supply exceeds the demand, then obviously it depresses the values.

• 53:17Doug DeMuro?

  That's gonna happen.

• 53:18Speaker 03

  That's gonna happen.

• 53:18Doug DeMuro?

  I have a suspicion that's gonna happen here because I don't think there's quite enough demand.

• 53:22Speaker 04

  It certainly hasn't happened yet. So it depends on how many people bring it.

• 53:25Doug DeMuro?

  I would argue, though, that that 65 result on that French car shows you kind of where the market's gonna end up being. I think that 50 to 70 is where these are gonna settle, whereas with the federalized ones before, you could see those values. We were getting 90s.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:36Doug DeMuro?

  80s, high 80s, 90s.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  I think those were very strong numbers, though, because those were so rare and they were very good specs, very low miles.

• 53:44Doug DeMuro?

  But regardless, I, once these cars can just be brought in on any boat with anybody. The federalization process was not tremendously challenging for this car. This company in Maryland did it years ago, but it was nonetheless.

• 53:53Speaker 04

  I told our importer buddy, put these on the list, especially if you find like Goodwood Green or like a special rare color or Nagaro.

• 54:00Doug DeMuro?

  Nagaro.

• 54:01Speaker 03

  This is the color.

• 54:02Doug DeMuro?

  Give us the other, uh, very interesting market report, Kenan, about the BMW situation.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  Yes, so, uh, recently we sold a BMW E30, uh, this is known as the Italian M3. It's the 320IS. These cars are selling for real money. 54.5 for an E30. Now, E30 M3s, uh, are, we've sold a couple for, like, notably in and around that number.

• 54:28Doug DeMuro?

  I think about this car all the time. It was so rough and it only sold for 39.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  This one was rough.

• 54:33Doug DeMuro?

  I'd like, this would be such a good car to just like beat on and just not care about, but you have an E30 M3.

• 54:38Speaker 03

  Right.

• 54:38Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway.

• 54:38Speaker 03

  But this one was relatively nice. Still a driver and it sold for 50 and this, this 320IS recently sold for more.

• 54:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  And so it is cra- now, granted, this did have an S14 in it, a detuned one. It's the same engine as the M3, but a smaller. Cause for tax regulations, I think that's why they put it in this car, so it could, in Italy, they, it was particularly different.

• 54:56Doug DeMuro?

  There was a higher tax rate on cars with an engine larger, larger than two liters. And so.

• 55:02Speaker 03

  Three, I think, maybe.

• 55:03Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, it was a two, it was two. And that's why, I remember the other car that, that came up as a result of this. Ferrari made.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  Yeah Ferrari, the turbo.

• 55:10Doug DeMuro?

  A 208.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  They made, the other day they do a 208, then they followed that up with a Ferrari, it was called the GTS Turbo. And it was a 328 with a smaller and a big turbo and the graphics on the.

• 55:21Doug DeMuro?

  Virtually nobody knows this, but Ferrari made, for the Italian market only, a 2.0 liter version of the 308 and the 320. Wow. And, uh, the, the reason they're not known is because they've never left Italy. It's not like a car you want to go after. It looks just like a 308. Slowest racing car. Yeah, right. But on the back, and there was a 208 GT4 also, and on the back, it literally says 208 instead of 308 and that's. Does look good still. Unfortunately, the situation.

• 55:47Speaker 00

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• 56:16Speaker 03

  I know someone who has driven one and she told me it was terrible. So, yeah, it said turbo in those like.

• 56:22Doug DeMuro?

  Turbo.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, just so.

• 56:24Doug DeMuro?

  But the BMW is prized.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  The BMW is definitely prized. Now, there are several versions of the E30 that are, that are not M3s, the 333, uh, I believe for the South African market, they also did, they did a 328IS, I believe, specifically for the South African market, just like the 333. But nonetheless, it shows that people really want these cars.

• 56:42Doug DeMuro?

  The cool thing about it is that it was, it was, it was the M motor, like you said. So that's, that's cool. But also, it was like the latest, weightest, you know, tossablest kind of thing. Like it was, if you are a purist who just wants like a really stripped out, like fun throw it around car, this is that. They did a Sedan and a, and a coupe.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  Exactly. And it's, it's more if you know, you know. Amongst the BMW set, if you show up in this two.

• 57:04Doug DeMuro?

  You're a jet.

• 57:05Speaker 03

  You're, yeah.

• 57:05Doug DeMuro?

  Anybody can get an E30 M3.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I got a 320.

• 57:08Doug DeMuro?

  I got the Italian M3. The Italian M3.

• 57:10Speaker 03

  The Filippo M3.

• 57:11Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I didn't really realize that it was a, a detuned S14. I thought it was just a four cylinder. So this actually is an M powered car. Did it have a WBS VIN?

• 57:17Speaker 03

  Uh, well, no, uh, WB, no, because it was also.

• 57:21Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, that is a cool car. I am shocked at that number, but I'm thrilled that we got it and that it was such a nice car that we were able to sell.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  Definitely.

• 57:28Doug DeMuro?

  Very cool to see it.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  Definitely. I totally agree.

• 57:30Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, well, I want to talk Gen 3 Viper before we move on to the questions.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, hell yeah. Oh, sorry. Just typed in Viper.

• 57:38Doug DeMuro?

  We've been talking a little about Gen 3 Vipers, but it's time to do a whole thing. Nick, you wrote this down. What's your take on this?

• 57:43Speaker 04

  I'm sure y'all can chime in more. I just look at the number and I look at the picture and I say, "Buy."

• 57:51Speaker 04

  30s for a car that looks like that with a V10 with 500 horsepower. I really don't need to say much else.

• 57:57Doug DeMuro?

  What do the trucks cost?

• 57:58Speaker 04

  Or no much else. Like an SRT10, the quad cab or standard. You can get a 20 buys you kind of a rougher one, 30 buys you a good one.

• 58:08Doug DeMuro?

  So the truck is not more expensive?

• 58:10Speaker 04

  And maybe 50 buys you like a super low mile VCA one or something.

• 58:14Doug DeMuro?

  This is a 25,000 mile car sold for 33. How many miles were on the Viper? The trucks are not more expensive.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  They're almost on the same price.

• 58:20Doug DeMuro?

  The Viper is not more expensive than the truck.

• 58:22Speaker 04

  And getting a silver Viper truck and a silver Gen 3 Viper of the same, like they're both 2003, 2004.

• 58:28Doug DeMuro?

  70 will buy you the pair.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  Pretty sick.

• 58:30Speaker 03

  20 cylinders.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  20.6 liters.

• 58:33Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, that's crazy. That is pretty wild.

• 58:34Speaker 04

  I know. And just, yes, you have one in the office right now. We've all kind of looked at it. Sure, the interior's a little like not great, but good enough.

• 58:43Doug DeMuro?

  I will say.

• 58:44Speaker 04

  Like this is a fantastic car.

• 58:45Doug DeMuro?

  There's one sitting in the office. It's been in the office for a few weeks. I'm gonna review it and we're gonna post it on the site in a couple of weeks.

• 58:51Doug DeMuro?

  I had kind of, like most people, I had kind of ignored the Gen 3 Viper for a long time because the 1 and 2 Vipers had that famous design and then the later ones became so crazy and cool. The 3 was always kind of the stepchild of the Viper world, but it is a lot of car for the money.

• 59:08Speaker 04

  I think it's good looking.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Ton.

• 59:09Doug DeMuro?

  It's definitely good looking. It doesn't have the cool look of like the original or the Gen 2, you know, but what a...

• 59:15Speaker 03

  First gen.

• 59:16Doug DeMuro?

  He's just, he just wants to look at first gen.

• 59:18Speaker 03

  Well, first gen is cool looking.

• 59:19Doug DeMuro?

  That is such a cool car.

• 59:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree. Red with the chromies, that's the, oh, I really like that.

• 59:24Doug DeMuro?

  So 30, 35 to 45 buys you a nice one.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:28Doug DeMuro?

  It's a pretty good car for that.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  Fantastic value.

• 59:30Doug DeMuro?

  It must be cheap to own. You can get in and out of it. Why don't you get one of these?

• 59:33Speaker 04

  And I think they fixed a lot of the Gen 1, Gen 2 issues in terms of like, like it's still not an easy car to own, but you're not gonna like burn your leg.

• 59:40Doug DeMuro?

  Gen 2 was already pretty easy.

• 59:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  I have to say, it is... I drove around one we have in the office like I talked about and it is still scary.

• 59:48Speaker 04

  You look good in it.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  Thanks. I do, I, I do suspect I'm gonna end up with.

• 59:51Doug DeMuro?

  It is a raw car. How come you don't have one of these? Why isn't this on here?

• 59:55Speaker 03

  Because he wants the truck.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  I do want the truck first, but I would settle for one of these.

• 59:59Doug DeMuro?

  The quad?

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. Quad for the kids. I would like the manual and you could swap the manual, but it's not really worth it.

• 1:00:05Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you could get both your kids into the, the, the single cab legally?

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  Sitting them in the front? I mean, not both.

• 1:00:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's a bench.

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  That would be scary.

• 1:00:15Doug DeMuro?

  Bench with a manual. I'm rare.

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  Even, even.

• 1:00:18Speaker 04

  My kid, my kids would kick the shifter out of the gear.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  Rare since like being the red scare, yeah, I guess. But like, yeah, he, no, even he thinks that's sketchy.

• 1:00:26Speaker 04

  And a, and a quad cab would be super usable. Like you could use that.

• 1:00:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it's a tip. It's fine. Eh, maybe for you, not for us.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  Could do better for our house.

• 1:00:34Doug DeMuro?

  We're manual guys.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  That's right. But yes, I agree with you. Third gen Vipers, I think are just a tremendous value.

• 1:00:40Speaker 04

  They should be worth double that.

• 1:00:42Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. We gotta move on to questions, questions, questions, questions, questions. You can ask us questions and please do, because this week's crop of questions was only okay. You go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab for God's sake. There will be a post there that says questions and then ask your question. We want your questions. It does, if, if you remember late in the week, oh, I should have asked them a question. Go into Cars and Bids and ask it to us. I will find your question. I scrolled to the very bottom this week looking for good stuff.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  We, we film on Wednesdays though, so late in the week won't really help us.

• 1:01:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, gotta be, gotta be done by, by probably Tuesday morning, Tuesday, mid Tuesday.

• 1:01:15Speaker 04

  Late in the week, we mean Tuesday.

• 1:01:16Doug DeMuro?

  Ask us a good question. And I mean good as in controversial. Give us some, give us some fury. We like fury. Like that guy who asked if we have beef with Matt Watson from CarWow, which we don't unfortunately. I wish we had some controversy, but maybe a question asker can give us some.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  That's great. I love it.

• 1:01:33Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. First question from LamboGuy565. I'll let you guys take this one because I already have a good answer in my mind. What car screams, "I know nothing about cars"? And I want to preface this by saying, we all know like a CRV or RAV4, but like what, what enthusiast, enthusiast car screams, "I know nothing about cars"?

• 1:01:50Speaker 03

  SF90?

• 1:01:51Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow. Damn. When they're hard.

• 1:01:55Speaker 03

  I mean, kind of. A lot of the, usually if it's new and kind of flashy, and someone says the model name before saying the manufacturer, so they're just like SF90 Ferrari. It's like, you don't know anything about it.

• 1:02:07Doug DeMuro?

  It is weird when people do that.

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  They do that. The 911 Porsche.

• 1:02:10Doug DeMuro?

  I got a 911 Porsche, huh?

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  It's like, okay.

• 1:02:13Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna be one of those conversations.

• 1:02:14Speaker 03

  You're about to hit us with a fact that is completely inaccurate.

• 1:02:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yup.

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  And Nick's gonna fall for it and regurgitate it somewhere.

• 1:02:21Doug DeMuro?

  That's exactly what happens.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  But I think, yeah, any of like the new, like, I'm, like, if I see that or if, honestly, kind of the 296.

• 1:02:30Doug DeMuro?

  Can I tell you something on this subject, but it's now, we're on a tangent? I drove this week the SF90XX.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  Oh, cool. That's, is it under embargo? You can, you can talk about it, right?

• 1:02:43Doug DeMuro?

  I loved it.

• 1:02:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm sure. It's a great car to drive.

• 1:02:46Doug DeMuro?

  I absolutely loved it. And I've been the biggest complainer about the SF90. And so I get in this thing with low expectations and it was awesome. Absolutely awesome.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  I'm sure.

• 1:02:59Doug DeMuro?

  Raw. It felt like a 430 scoot. Like, the SF90 is, it was nothing like an SF90. It was so much more raw and visceral and loud and powerful and like trying to kill you. It was so cool.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  So do you think they took that and then dulled it down and gave us the SF90 and then?

• 1:03:15Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it's funny because on paper, it's not different. It only has 30 more horsepower and it weighs only 20 pounds less. It's like, okay, that's not gonna be different.

• 1:03:21Speaker 03

  But it's how it delivers.

• 1:03:22Doug DeMuro?

  It's how it feels and how it delivers it. All the leather is out of the interior. It's, it's just, like, it's, you see welds. Like, it is, it is like a 430 scoot and it's so loud and so, like, raw and raw.

• 1:03:34Speaker 04

  Looks cool, too.

• 1:03:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. I was, it's a million dollars, but I was really into it.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  Million dollars?

• 1:03:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I drove a Spyder, it was a million bucks. Anyway, uh, my answer for this is brand new Maserati. Any brand new Maserati is a person who thinks they are a car enthusiast and like thinks other people will perceive them as such. But a real car enthusiast looks at them and is like, no.

• 1:03:52Speaker 04

  I was gonna go with McLaren GT.

• 1:03:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, although that's, that's getting down to a price point where it's starting to get appealing.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  Maybe, yeah. Yeah, used one, for sure.

• 1:04:01Doug DeMuro?

  If that thing's, if that thing's 90.

• 1:04:05Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, why is it different from another McLaren? Like, at least the GT's a little newer and a little bit more. Yeah, these, I mean.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  They're coming down. That was a year ago, too.

• 1:04:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, this one bid to 131. I have a suspicion this car's at 90 in about 18 months.

• 1:04:17Speaker 04

  That's true. MP124C, you look at it and think, that guy is awesome, and I want to talk to him because I want to know how it is to own it, and like,

• 1:04:24Doug DeMuro?

  But don't you think that car's-

• 1:04:25Speaker 04

  They must be very, like, pain tolerant.

• 1:04:26Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Don't you think that car's too risky to own?

• 1:04:29Speaker 04

  I just assume most of the people in them right now got tricked into them by a dealer because they didn't know any better and are there for total putzes. No offense to the McLaren GT owners that are listening to this, all three of them.

• 1:04:41Doug DeMuro?

  I love, I love, uh, the McLarens.

• 1:04:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, we all do.

• 1:04:47Doug DeMuro?

  Great cars. No, I do, I think that those cars at a number makes sense, which is one of the reasons why I specifically am saying the new, anybody who buys a new Maserati-

• 1:04:56Speaker 04

  I've been using that line on all the SLR dealers. That car at a number makes sense. The number you're asking, not as much.

• 1:05:03Doug DeMuro?

  Mick called an SLR dealer the other day, and they, they replied to his lowball and said, "I respect the offer. I cannot sell the car anywhere near that price."

• 1:05:12Speaker 04

  It was only 75K less than they're asking. I don't understand why the hostility.

• 1:05:17Speaker 03

  Was that question enthusiast car?

• 1:05:19Doug DeMuro?

  I would think of it as enthusiast cars. What, what car screams, "I know nothing about cars"? Because you assume that most cars scream that.

• 1:05:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:24Doug DeMuro?

  I think the question's more along the lines of like, what car that is supposed to say that you know something?

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  Honda Prologue would be, I didn't do my research, I just like Hondas.

• 1:05:33Doug DeMuro?

  Right, yeah, of course.

• 1:05:34Speaker 04

  There's a few in there that are regular cars.

• 1:05:35Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Sturdburger. What is, this is a good one. What is your holy trinity of YouTube podcaster or TV car show personalities? Context, if the three of you were to go on vacation for a week, who would you pick to host the pod in your absence? Whistlin'!

• 1:05:50Speaker 03

  Interesting. There's a specific group of three that is the best that have ever done it.

• 1:05:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  You know, the Top Gear trio.

• 1:05:56Doug DeMuro?

  That's obvious.

• 1:05:57Speaker 03

  That's the obvious one. And, and it is obvious, but it is also true. Anytime three people are in camera, they're talking about cars, they're who they get compared to. Rightfully so, as they were the best.

• 1:06:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. So for you, it's them. But give me something, who else do you like? Who else do you like? You agree with Whistlin'.

• 1:06:14Speaker 03

  To replace.

• 1:06:16Speaker 04

  We would be on this deserted island with them.

• 1:06:18Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, we're, God.

• 1:06:19Speaker 04

  Whistling would destroy me.

• 1:06:21Speaker 03

  God, you wouldn't, you wouldn't. No, friends, you're on a deserted island, I would.

• 1:06:24Doug DeMuro?

  You're on, we go on vacation and they come and replace us for the week on the pod.

• 1:06:28Speaker 04

  Oh, like a stand-in. That's what I am though. I'm here because Filippo's not here.

• 1:06:33Doug DeMuro?

  The question takes 11 seconds to listen to, process.

• 1:06:37Speaker 04

  Well, I started thinking about who I would pick and then I realized I can't say that I'm allowed, so I had to.

• 1:06:43Doug DeMuro?

  Like, who are they? Are they like OnlyFans creators or why can't you say them aloud?

• 1:06:46Speaker 04

  No, they're car YouTubers.

• 1:06:47Doug DeMuro?

  Who?

• 1:06:48Speaker 04

  April, Colette and Sabrina.

• 1:06:51Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, why can't you say them aloud? We need to cut all this.

• 1:06:54Speaker 04

  My wife, my wife listens to the podcast and I've been in enough trouble as is.

• 1:06:59Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, um, okay, Nick, uh, who would you choose?

• 1:07:06Speaker 04

  I would choose the three of you.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  I'm glad you listened to the question.

• 1:07:11Doug DeMuro?

  No, it has to be people when we go away. Who are we picking to replace us? I've selected Whistling. He said the Top Gear guys, which is kind of a cop-out. What is yours?

• 1:07:19Speaker 03

  I'm thinking more.

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  Um, I would say my favorite, my favorite two car YouTubers right now would either be Rich Rebuilds, because I think he's the funniest.

• 1:07:28Doug DeMuro?

  Rich Rebuilds would be great.

• 1:07:29Speaker 04

  Or Alex from Legit Street Cars, because I think he's the most knowledgeable.

• 1:07:31Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, Rich Rebuilds I'll take. I like Alex too, but I'll take Rich. I want to, I want to change my Whistling to Rich, just because I think Whistling would not do well in a talk show format.

• 1:07:39Speaker 04

  Rich is so underrated and so funny.

• 1:07:41Doug DeMuro?

  I, yeah, dude, totally agree.

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  Unfortunately, it would be more of a podcast for me, because it would be very technical and nerdy, but I think, uh, Harry Metcalf, uh, Emery Catchpole and probably Chris Harris. So if I could have those three, all British, but if you could have them, it would be much more pleasant to listen to, I think, than us.

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  I'd throw a wild card in for regular car reviews too, for the same reason.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, Rich and Roman, both of them.

• 1:08:01Doug DeMuro?

  Rich, though, is the funniest car guy on YouTube. Rich, Hoovy and Freddie, throw them all together. One time, when I was at Amelia, like 10 years ago, I had lunch with the three of them and me.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Oh, that must've been incredible.

• 1:08:11Doug DeMuro?

  Right, it's like when Harry was there, when the career G T was debuted at Paris.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:08:15Doug DeMuro?

  I was sitting there with luminaries and also Freddie.

• 1:08:20Doug DeMuro?

  Just kidding. Love Freddie dearly. Okay, next question from EHM600. This is a great question because it's gonna out Nick as for what he is. That's hard to do. Tell us about the cars you all grew up around. What were the cars your parents and friends had growing up? What did you drive in high school? Ken and I were poor children. Our parents had Geo metros with three wheels and we as young children had to lift up the other corner of the car to take it to school. Nick, on the other hand. Grew up on the water. Nick, tell us about your primitive life.

• 1:08:52Speaker 04

  It's in Sandusky, Ohio. Okay, it's not quite as bougie as you're making it sound.

• 1:08:57Doug DeMuro?

  You had watercraft?

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  We had boats.

• 1:09:00Doug DeMuro?

  How many boats is boats? Nine, right?

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  Do you count ice boats in the number?

• 1:09:04Doug DeMuro?

  What? Like icebreaker?

• 1:09:07Speaker 04

  Three sailboats, two ice boats.

• 1:09:10Doug DeMuro?

  What are ice boats? Like they go on the surface?

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, when the lake freezes, you can sail on it.

• 1:09:14Doug DeMuro?

  I don't count those because they're not water boats. So three sailboats, two, what was the next one? Yachts?

• 1:09:21Speaker 04

  Two ice boats, and then two, we had a 14 foot roundabout, like a whatever car, whatever, a smaller boat, and then we had a 33 foot Boston Whaler outrage.

• 1:09:31Doug DeMuro?

  They bought a nice Boston Whaler outrage. Okay, what about the vehicles? Tell us about the vehicles.

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  My dad actually had a little flair for being dangerous. So he bought an X-Type, the first model year Jaguar. Didn't end up being great. A Volkswagen Touareg first model year wasn't great. So then he decided.

• 1:09:46Doug DeMuro?

  He had an ML320 first model year.

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  First, that was actually the only car that was great. We kept that one for like 15 years and then ended up like donating it to charity at the end.

• 1:09:53Doug DeMuro?

  Those were reliable. It turned out to be reliable.

• 1:09:55Speaker 04

  Those were all good. My mom never really had any. She mostly had minivans, like an old silhouette is when I got my first speed ticket.

• 1:10:00Doug DeMuro?

  You had a silhouette?

• 1:10:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, beige on beige.

• 1:10:03Doug DeMuro?

  What gen? Dust Buster or next?

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  We bought it new when I was in high school. So let's call it 99, 2000.

• 1:10:08Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so it was the bad gen, the boring gen.

• 1:10:10Speaker 04

  The Warner Brothers. Then I had a 95 Ford Explorer. I was in a car group at the time. The other guys were a Ford ZX2, an SN95 Mustang, like very a grand damn GT.

• 1:10:22Doug DeMuro?

  God, this is the Midwest.

• 1:10:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, very Midwest.

• 1:10:24Doug DeMuro?

  This is the absolute Midwest. When your dad brought home that X-Type, it must have been like a huge deal.

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  It had 18s, like that was, it was a big deal. The black burl.

• 1:10:33Doug DeMuro?

  Three liter, it was a three liter.

• 1:10:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:10:36Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. Wow. Must have been nice.

• 1:10:39Speaker 04

  See, I'll send the editors the photo of the Explorer, but I put in 18-inch chrome wheels, clear taillights, billet grille with flames behind it.

• 1:10:46Doug DeMuro?

  What happened?

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  Three 12-inch subs.

• 1:10:47Doug DeMuro?

  After the Touareg, like when you went off to college, what did your parents have?

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  Hmm. My dad just started buying MLs, which became the GLE. Every like three years, he leased a new one as a company thing. So my mom got an E450 Coupe at one point, but she didn't really care for it.

• 1:11:04Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I was brought home from the hospital in a 1987 Toyota Camry, or a 1981 Volkswagen Jetta Coupe. I don't remember.

• 1:11:12Speaker 04

  Uh, tough for you to recall.

• 1:11:14Doug DeMuro?

  My parents, my entire life, basically, the car that we had was a 1993 Isuzu Rodeo with a manual transmission, steel wheels, and that was our family car.

• 1:11:28Speaker 04

  Oh, it's very recent.

• 1:11:29Doug DeMuro?

  No airbags. My parents had looked at an Explorer. We couldn't afford an Explorer. They tried to make it where they wanted it so bad, couldn't do it, bought an Isuzu Rodeo instead.

• 1:11:38Speaker 04

  That's cool.

• 1:11:38Doug DeMuro?

  And from Jerry Roth Isuzu in Denver. Aurora, I guess. And, um, and then they had that car basically until I went off to college, pretty much. That was our family car. And I remember it was a two-row, and sometimes when we had friends over or whatever, we were just told to go into the cargo area and like, if we saw a cop, like bend over, you know? So the cop wouldn't see it. And that was our, uh, that was our car. My dad replaced the 87 Camry with a 98 Camry with a cassette player. In 98, there were no CD player. My dad couldn't spring for the CD player one, so it was a four-cylinder LE with hubcaps. Those were our cars.

• 1:12:13Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:12:14Doug DeMuro?

  That was it. That's all we ever had until I was already in college and away from the whole thing. Base model BS.

• 1:12:20Speaker 04

  My family grew up in a Ford family. My grandfather worked for Ford, and so we used the Z-Plan quite a bit. Uh, and so my mom had, or...

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  When I was born, she had a Ford Probe, uh, the first gen Ford Probe. It was manual, which was cool. She loved that car. Had the pop-up headlights and she'd be, yeah, she liked it. Of course, the neverly pop-up headlights failed and then the engine started to have problems and they had to get rid of that, of course. Um, they also, they had a, when I was born, they got a Ford Windstar, first gen Ford Windstar, replaced that with a second gen Windstar. Which was much nicer than the first one.

• 1:12:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the second gen Windstar was an okay car.

• 1:12:51Speaker 03

  It was an okay car and it was, it was.

• 1:12:53Doug DeMuro?

  The only good minivan Ford ever made.

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  Gold on tan. Yeah, uh, it was, it was a surprisingly good car. My dad then had a Mercury, he had a Ford Taurus and a Mercury Sable. And then, then he got into Subarus. He had a base, base, base, base Impreza. He wanted just to be able to, he had two or three criteria. Had to be all-wheel drive, had to be able to fit his skis, had to have heated seats. That was it. And so he got a base one with just a couple of little options. That was like genuinely what he, what he wanted. And then after that, then they switched it. My mom had a Honda Pilot, um, after that. Or we had two Audis and then a Pilot and then she, they are now all on Subarus. They switched away from Ford altogether.

• 1:13:27Doug DeMuro?

  They have like multiple Outbacks or Ascents or something?

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, an Outback and an Ascent now, yeah.

• 1:13:32Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, must be nice.

• 1:13:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I, but my whole life growing up was all Fords. It was all Fords.

• 1:13:38Doug DeMuro?

  My dad now drives, or my parents now have a 2005 Lexus RX 330. That is, as I think about it, only the third car my dad has owned in my entire life.

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:13:48Doug DeMuro?

  He, he had that 87 Camry until 98, that was 10 years. He had a 98 Camry until he bought the Lexus used. He bought the Lexus CPO in like 09. And he's had the Lexus for now 15 or 16 years.

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  Wow, your dad and I have to keep cars for a long time.

• 1:14:03Doug DeMuro?

  They, that's just, that's just the way it works in our, in our household.

• 1:14:07Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:14:08Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it was, it was unusual growing up to be a car enthusiast, uh, in that world.

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  I only did because I had neighbors who were and turned, turned me on to cars.

• 1:14:17Doug DeMuro?

  I know. That's why I think that there's still hope for my son who's now four and doesn't care at all about my cars is that you didn't get into cars until you were like 13.

• 1:14:23Speaker 03

  Uh, 10, yes, but yeah, that's right.

• 1:14:25Doug DeMuro?

  I, I was like day one.

• 1:14:27Speaker 03

  Day one, me too, yeah.

• 1:14:28Doug DeMuro?

  And, and my parents didn't know what to do with it.

• 1:14:30Speaker 04

  I also forgot our second garage, so just quickly. 65 Mustang, 67 Mustang, 54 Packard.

• 1:14:36Doug DeMuro?

  Forgot the outbuild.

• 1:14:37Speaker 04

  Auburn and a 39 Rolls Royce.

• 1:14:39Doug DeMuro?

  He forgot the Rolls Royce, the Packard and the two Mustangs. Hey, man, been there. I tell you, sometimes, you know, I forgot also. Outside of watercraft, you're in the way.

• 1:14:48Speaker 04

  It was a detached garage. It was easy to forget about.

• 1:14:51Doug DeMuro?

  I forgot also, and additionally, my parents also had a 288 GTO they bought new.

• 1:14:56Speaker 04

  The 65 Mustang I worked on is in high school, though, that like really solidified it. Like, it was a lot of fun.

• 1:15:01Doug DeMuro?

  That really taught him. He said, move the Packard. I want to get to the Mustang. Get the Packard out of the way and the new Jaguar. Uh, okay, next question, next question from F40 RCK5. Hey Doug, you said on your review of the EQS that it's better than the S-Class. You would get one over an S-Class. Do you still stand by that, knowing the impression that driving an expensive luxury EV would give other car enthusiasts? I'm gonna be honest with you. I don't care at all what impression my car gives. I'd drive a Sequoia, okay? Have you seen that? Have you seen my convertible G-Wagon? I don't care at all the impression that the car gives other cars. I do stand by that. I think the EQS is a fantastic car, and it's even better now because used ones are amazing values. It drives beautifully.

• 1:15:42Doug DeMuro?

  The only real complaint, the only real complaint that people have about that car is the way it looks. And if you give me 25 grand less than an S-Class to be in an uglier car that drives the same, done deal. I know Nick would do that, too. My friggin' cheapskate friend Nick, according to WhoV.

• 1:15:59Speaker 04

  Buying an S65.

• 1:16:01Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay.

• 1:16:02Speaker 04

  From 2000. Both are off my radar.

• 1:16:05Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, uh, next question, next question, next question. Uh, let's do two more.

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  Much like the second garage, I forgot to look at the questions in advance, so pick ones I can improvise.

• 1:16:16Doug DeMuro?

  That's better, honestly. We'll do three more. They're all really quick, actually. EVs and clutch pedals. Uh, for Kenan, your loan day pristine, all expenses paid Ferrari F40 for use as a weekend car for the next five years. But the caveat is, you have to daily earn five, but when you're not driving it, your friends will be driving it and dirtying it and treating however they're used to treating cars. At a minimum, Doug will crash into his house a time or two. I crashed into my garage.

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• 1:17:12Doug DeMuro?

  Do you accept?

• 1:17:15Doug DeMuro?

  Get an F40 for weekends, but I eat in your M5. I eat in it.

• 1:17:19Speaker 03

  That's the thing. Nobody else would drive it or use it because they'd be too afraid of how angry I would be when I get it back and I would assail them after that, which I could be very abusive to them.

• 1:17:28Doug DeMuro?

  I would eat in it. I got, I got.

• 1:17:29Speaker 03

  But you, yeah, you would make it, you would do like that Jeremy Clarkson thing when James lent him his F430 and he was like eating chocolate in it and threw a wrapper in it. You would do that to me.

• 1:17:38Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't do it to upset you, but I would do it because that's just how I, you know, that's how we live.

• 1:17:43Speaker 03

  I think.

• 1:17:44Doug DeMuro?

  The kids would ride on it for sure. They would put the car seats in it. There would be cheezits.

• 1:17:47Speaker 03

  That would be tough. That would be, oh my God. Maybe not, uh, maybe not.

• 1:17:53Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my.

• 1:17:53Speaker 03

  I know, I think, but then I could, I could really one up both of you and show up everywhere in an F40.

• 1:17:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and I would show up to that same event in your E395 and I would, and I would lick the steering wheel when I get there. I would lick it all over.

• 1:18:06Speaker 04

  I mean, you could sacrifice the M5.

• 1:18:09Doug DeMuro?

  The whole thing I would lick.

• 1:18:10Speaker 04

  Five years of an F40 for 40 grand of a car? Easy choice.

• 1:18:15Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, but remember, once it's licked, it can never be unlicked.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  That's why, actually, I probably should lock my car. You get, you're looking at it.

• 1:18:22Doug DeMuro?

  Beep.

• 1:18:25Speaker 03

  Uh, I don't, I, I think I, uh, I don't know. Cause you guys are just so abusive.

• 1:18:31Speaker 04

  What was the other one you did? That he shot himself on the foot?

• 1:18:33Doug DeMuro?

  The 993 Turbo S or his car.

• 1:18:35Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:36Doug DeMuro?

  He went back and forth for, for his car at the end.

• 1:18:38Speaker 04

  There should be zero thought required for this. There's one correct answer.

• 1:18:41Doug DeMuro?

  It's an F40 for weekends. So some people are gonna lick the car. You get an F40 for five years.

• 1:18:46Speaker 03

  I think I probably would do that. I think I probably would drive the F40.

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  I would let someone crush my house.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  I'm also worried that the F40 would be, I would just be so afraid. I've thought about like, I've never driven an F40.

• 1:18:56Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, you'd be afraid, but it's paid for. All expenses paid. If you crash it, it's paid, apparently, according to this fellow. Uh, okay, next question, next question from Cole ETC 17. Doug Cannon Filippo, many auctions are not closing with a sale, implying that sellers are unrealistic with current market values. Does this imply the market is getting cooler? No, uh, the, uh, sale rate is the same. There was a couple of days that were a little lower, but there's also been a couple of days that were a little higher, including today, as the day we record this, which is Wednesday.

• 1:19:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, sold, sold, sold, sold.

• 1:19:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, sale rate's been the same. Uh, I don't think the market is cooling. I don't think the sellers are unrealistic with current market values generally, any more than they usually are. Um, some, some higher dollar cars have missed recently, so that may be where this is coming from. Like, like, oh, the person saw this, but we also sold a bunch of, uh, higher dollar cars today. Anyway, point is, uh, I think that is an unrealistic look at the, at the carsandbids.com website. What did we sell today? Anything cool?

• 1:19:50Speaker 04

  I agree, unless your name is Tyler Hoobie, then yes, your selling price is unrealistic.

• 1:19:54Doug DeMuro?

  Drop that SLR to 113.

• 1:19:59Doug DeMuro?

  Last question from Filippo's sign to get an R8. Sadly, Filippo not here to get that sign. And I guarantee he won't watch this. In the recent years, we have seen Ferrari, because it's about car enthusiasts cars.

• 1:20:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:20:09Doug DeMuro?

  He's not gonna.

• 1:20:10Speaker 03

  No, Filippo's.

• 1:20:11Doug DeMuro?

  In recent years, we have seen Ferrari moving more down market, uh, with the Roma and vehicles like that, and Lamborghini with the Urus. Do you believe that in the next decades, we will see companies like Bugatti, Koenigsegg and Pagani go in the same direction? Yeah, I think that it's inevitable that eventually these companies at the very highest levels will try to make cars that are at slightly lower levels to get more people. And that's just kind of the way these companies work. They, they, they want to grow, they want to expand, they want to make more money, economies of scale, they will eventually do that. I'm not saying you're gonna see a $200,000 Koenigsegg, but I wouldn't be entirely stunned if you saw a million dollar Koenigsegg or a $900,000 Koenigsegg that was a lot more gettable, uh, for a lot of people. Bugatti maybe won't because they already have Lamborghini and occupying that space, whatever. But I think Koenigsegg and Pagani will eventually end up in there.

• 1:20:55Speaker 03

  Every manufacturer does this. I know, forget there was a time when Ferrari only made V12 cars. And then they came out with the Dino and then. There was. Yeah, there was. And then they came up with the 308 and, you know, then they started that V8 line and, you know, yes. And even like the Gordon Murray Academy, they, you know, have the T50 and then the T33, a little smaller.

• 1:21:12Doug DeMuro?

  There are, you know, there are still guys on Ferrari chat, the real old timers on Ferrari chat, who think like if a Ferrari doesn't have a 12 cylinder engine, it doesn't count. Like it's not a Ferrari.

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  Right. Which of course is ludicrous, but they've won championships with like much smaller engines that aren't 12 cylinders.

• 1:21:26Doug DeMuro?

  In the minds of some of the old timers, it's 12 cylinders or walk, baby. Am I right? We're a couple of V12 guys.

• 1:21:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:21:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, gated V12. That's how it was. That's how Enzo liked it when he was running away from elevator.

• 1:21:38Speaker 04

  But that would preclude the F40, which is kind of a problem.

• 1:21:40Speaker 03

  And the 288.

• 1:21:41Speaker 04

  F40 is definitely a real Ferrari.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  The F40, not a real Ferrari.

• 1:21:44Doug DeMuro?

  Not a real Ferrari, according to the old timers.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  Right. They're very with it. I'm glad they're in charge.

• 1:21:48Doug DeMuro?

  They only know that the short nose two cams.

• 1:21:51Speaker 03

  Awful cars.

• 1:21:53Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. That's it. Do you guys agree with that, that take? You think there will be a cheap Pagani one day?

• 1:21:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:58Doug DeMuro?

  A cheap that is an 800.

• 1:21:58Speaker 03

  I, I think it would be less, it would be more approachable models. Yes, I think that's true.

• 1:22:03Doug DeMuro?

  Eventually what's going to happen to these companies, which is what happened to Ferrari and Lamborghini, the guy will die. The company will end up in the hands of some other company.

• 1:22:12Speaker 03

  Private equity and, you know.

• 1:22:13Doug DeMuro?

  Or Audi in the case of Lamborghini or Fiat in the case of Ferrari, who is gonna want to maximize the value of the brand? And so they will start taking this, this vaunted brand and, and trying to make it a little bit more accessible so they can make more money. It's just the way it works with this stuff. It happened with Porsche. It happened with Maserati, et cetera.

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  I think what'll happen, Ford will resurrect the Premier Auto Group, buy all them up and use them as halo cars to sell more Tauruses.

• 1:22:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, the Premier Auto Group.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  Can always count on Nick to have a good callback.

• 1:22:43Doug DeMuro?

  He's calling it back because he's got the X type on his mind. He's thinking about his X type now.

• 1:22:49Speaker 04

  It was cool. I think it got unfairly criticized as the Mondeo.

• 1:22:52Speaker 03

  He's gonna start low balling people on Facebook.

• 1:22:55Speaker 04

  Those are available.

• 1:22:56Doug DeMuro?

  Those are available.

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:22:58Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. That was our podcast for the week. It was our finest podcast ever.

• 1:23:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:23:03Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, do you have any parting thoughts?

• 1:23:04Speaker 04

  Congrats on buying a car and we're happy that you're back on cars.

• 1:23:08Doug DeMuro?

  Nobody bought any cars. However, if you got an arena 993, I don't know how people can get in contact with me anymore. Sean will, will call, will call me and be like, hey, someone just sent us a note and it's like, where? How? He's like, do you want to do this or that, or this happened, or they sent us? If you find out how to get in contact with me and you have a 993 turbo, that's arena red.

• 1:23:29Speaker 03

  Jeez. God, you damaged the box. You are just...

• 1:23:33Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, no! It's not a good omen. All right, goodbye, everyone. Thank you for watching our finest podcast ever.

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  Goodbye.

• 1:23:39Doug DeMuro?

  Bye.