Michael Franzese | Club Random with Bill Maher

Bill Maher sits down with former Colombo crime family capo, podcaster, and best-selling author Michael Franzese for a fascinating exploration of organized crime, current politics, and America’s shifting cultural landscape. From comparing Mafia code to modern government maneuvering, to dissecting the psychology of leaders, the two dive headlong into the forces shaping American life. Franzese shares candid reflections on his days running lucrative schemes (and why he ultimately walked away), while Bill challenges the notion of how power truly works. They also swap favorite scenes from The Godfather and Goodfellas, delve into Franzese’s religious awakening, how lessons from the mob world can translate into navigating business, politics, and personal relationships. Get ready for a raw, riveting sit-down that blurs the lines between comedy, true crime, and social commentary. Go to https://www. RadioactiveMedia.com or text RANDOM at 511511 to save up to 50%, today! Get started at https://www.factormeals.com/random50off and use code random50off to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. Follow Club Random on IG: @ClubRandomPodcast Follow Bill on IG: @BillMaher Don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast for free wherever you're listening or by using this link: https://bit.ly/ClubRandom Watch Club Random on YouTube: https://bit.ly/ClubRandomYouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:30Bill Maher?

  The key to this country is we have to be able to like have that and then go, let's talk about other things. Like how many guys you killed.

• 0:40Bill Maher?

  A lot of people say Vegas was better when the mob ran.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  Hundred percent, hundred percent.

• 0:45Bill Maher?

  You know that, you were there?

• 0:47Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 0:50Bill Maher?

  Godfather.

• 0:51Speaker 02

  Finally.

• 0:53Bill Maher?

  I swear to God, I didn't know it was a hit.

• 0:55Speaker 02

  This is years in the making.

• 0:57Bill Maher?

  Why?

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Because I've always wanted to meet you.

• 1:00Bill Maher?

  Oh, really?

• 1:01Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what happened.

• 1:02Bill Maher?

  I always wanted to avoid you.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Good idea. No, I'm okay. About 25 years ago, you were in a movie theater. We were in a movie theater together in Westwood.

• 1:13Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  And I was gonna come up to you then and something happened, I don't know, that I didn't, and then you were gone. I just wanted to say hello.

• 1:21Bill Maher?

  Oh, well, yeah, I never hang around the movie theater when the movie's over. I'm always gone, I just.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  You were gone quick.

• 1:28Bill Maher?

  Well, what were you gonna say 25 years ago?

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Hello, how are you?

• 1:31Bill Maher?

  Oh, okay. Oh, good, I'm glad.

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was gonna be nice and cordial.

• 1:35Bill Maher?

  Thank you for making the time and congratulations on being such a success in this field.

• 1:43Speaker 02

  Appreciate that.

• 1:45Bill Maher?

  It's interesting podcasting, isn't it? That like the biggest subject, maybe the two biggest are what we're into. Comedy and crime.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  Absolutely. That is crazy.

• 1:56Bill Maher?

  Some people would say they're often the same. I'm not one of those people. But, um, yeah. And who knows more about crime than you?

• 2:06Speaker 02

  I guess that depending upon what side of the fence you are, you could say that's either good or a bad thing. I've certainly had a lot of experience with it.

• 2:14Bill Maher?

  I think it's a bad thing. I'm with the law, generally, although, of course, as we all know, very often the people on the side of the law are the biggest criminals.

• 2:25Speaker 02

  I wrote a book, Mafia Democracy. I have a copy for you right here.

• 2:29Bill Maher?

  Oh, good.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  And you're gonna read this book, and I want to tell you something.

• 2:32Bill Maher?

  Mafia Democracy.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Now, I wrote this a year and a half ago. It wasn't current, but, I mean, not today, but, Bill, when you read that book, you're gonna see that this is exactly how our government is operating, just like the mob.

• 2:46Bill Maher?

  In some ways, yeah.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50Bill Maher?

  I mean, come on, that's a bit of an exaggeration. I can tell you, many ways, the government doesn't act just like the mob, but you're not without a point, as far as, I mean, what is the mob basically based on? It's based on the old idea of the Roman Empire's protection racket. The Roman Empire was a protection racket. I mean, that's, they would go, they would, you know, would you like to live? Oh, it's gonna cost you. Would you like to keep your grocery store from burning down?

• 3:20Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:21Bill Maher?

  It's gonna cost you. That's the protection racket. There is some of that in government. I mean, what would, you tell me, you wrote the book, what are some examples of that?

• 3:30Speaker 02

  To me, it's just all about power and control, Bill.

• 3:32Bill Maher?

  Well, that's vague. You're gonna have to do better.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Well, power and control, meaning that these people get into office, they get intoxicated with the power, they never want to leave, as evidenced by, you know, most of our congresspeople, and they enrich themselves.

• 3:48Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but give me a specific example of how the government acts like the mafia.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  Well, there again, I mean, it's all about, what are we all about? We wanted to make money, and we wanted to stay in control of people. And the government operates the same way, in my opinion.

• 4:02Bill Maher?

  Give me an example.

• 4:04Speaker 02

  I mean, listen, I don't throw one, you know, one blanket over everybody in government. There are honest people there, I'm not saying that, but I think the mechanism has now become really all about power and control. You know, why do I?

• 4:16Bill Maher?

  Truly, there must be like examples if you wrote a whole book on it. It was like, you know what? At the Department of Labor, they did this.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  No, I'm not, I'm not gonna, I won't be specific like that, but, but listen.

• 4:29Bill Maher?

  And I can only go with you so far.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 4:32Bill Maher?

  You gotta be specific.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  Let me ask you this.

• 4:34Bill Maher?

  You're making an accusation like that.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  All right, let me ask you this. Politicians, many of them come into the money, come into power. They're middle-class people, don't have a lot of money. And they go out millionaires, multimillionaires, many of them. How do you explain that?

• 4:51Bill Maher?

  Oh, no, there is graft in, in, I mean, that, but that characterizes, well, finally, we have a guy in office who that does characterize.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  Who's that?

• 5:01Bill Maher?

  Donald Trump. You may have heard of him, he won the election again.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he had money before he came into office. He didn't, he didn't come into government to make money.

• 5:08Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Are you fucking kidding me?

• 5:10Speaker 02

  No, he didn't.

• 5:11Bill Maher?

  First of all, in his first term, we, we thought, oh, this is as bad as it can get with the graft, because he did things that no president ever done, like kept all his assets. People were staying, foreign dignitaries and leaders were staying at his hotels.

• 5:27Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:28Bill Maher?

  That's outrageous. And then he upped that. He put out a meme coin.

• 5:33Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:33Bill Maher?

  And made fifty-eight billion dollars the day before he took office.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  All right, but he was a billionaire when he went into office.

• 5:41Bill Maher?

  Yeah, well, we don't even know that, because he's such a liar, that we have no idea what he was. He certainly acted rich, and he certainly was rich by any people's sentence. He had his own plane, but we don't know. We, I mean, he wouldn't release his taxes. He was rich, and he likes getting richer. And he has no qualms about enriching himself in this office. I'm just saying, this is new, and it, but it's not new in many other countries in the world. They say Putin is probably worth forty billion.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  Uh-huh.

• 6:11Bill Maher?

  We only get that from. Literally robbing the treasury when the treasury and your personal bank account are basically the same thing. And they potentates have done this all over the world. Asia, Africa, the Americas. We certainly have not been that country in general. There has been graft, never on that scale. He is joy, because those are the kind of people he likes, or autocrats like that. But I don't think, for example, Xi in China does that. He doesn't need to. Why would he need to? He's the leader of China. He has his own plane, he has his own palace. You can't get richer than being the president. You cannot, even if the salary was zero, because everything is provided for you.

• 6:54Bill Maher?

  And if you want to go somewhere, you get there faster than any other person in the world.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  All right, well, let me ask you the difference. He came in as a wealthy guy. We're not counting his money, but we knew he was wealthy. What about Obama? He didn't come in wealthy.

• 7:10Bill Maher?

  And he didn't leave, what would that kind of wealth?

• 7:13Speaker 02

  He's worth, from what I'm hearing now, he's worth a hundred million dollars.

• 7:16Bill Maher?

  I doubt if he's worth a hundred million dollars.

• 7:19Speaker 02

  That's what I heard.

• 7:20Bill Maher?

  But, that's what I heard, that's what Trump says.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:22Bill Maher?

  That's what I heard. People are saying, well, it must be true. Come on, man.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  Come on, look at his lifestyle.

• 7:28Bill Maher?

  Oh, look, he-

• 7:29Speaker 02

  I'm not saying he's not entitled to it after, but I'm saying, he became a very wealthy guy.

• 7:35Bill Maher?

  Okay, well, you tend to get famous when you're the first black president of the United States. It's kind of a big accomplishment. So, you know, did he, does he get a speaking fee? He probably gets half a million or even a million dollars speaking fee.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, so, but he didn't go in it for the money. He wasn't- We don't know that, though, I mean-

• 7:57Bill Maher?

  Oh, for fuck's sake.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  We don't know that, really. I mean, I'm just saying, that wasn't the only reason he wanted to be wealthy. He wanted to be president, we get that, but I'm sure he thought about, you know, what it was going to do for him financially too. Why not?

• 8:12Bill Maher?

  Okay, I just don't think that was Barack Obama's motivation. I think it's something that comes along with getting to that. If you were at that level of success in any field, yeah, you would have some financial renumeration. I mean, it's peanuts compared to what some of the, again, what Trump is doing, that the kind of money he is making from just basically selling the job. I mean, he was, for example, very much against TikTok. Let's get rid of TikTok. Until the TikTok guy came in and said he would, gave a big contribution to his campaign, then he was all for TikTok. He's very transactionable. He doesn't even make a secret of it.

• 8:55Bill Maher?

  He doesn't understand how government works. He still runs it like it's a business. In some ways, that might be advantageous. In the long run, I don't think it is.

• 9:04Speaker 02

  Let me, what do you think of his last, the first two weeks in office? What do you think?

• 9:09Bill Maher?

  There are some things, well, I said before he took office, I would not pre-hate anything. Now that he's in there, there's some things I hate, and there's some things I don't hate. You know, it's a breath of fresh air as far as like, we're gonna look at things in a way we've never looked at it before. Like, maybe Gaza doesn't have to be this utter hellhole where the people are constantly attacking Israel and they are themselves constantly being attacked by this terrorist organization that runs them like a mafia. Maybe, you know, it's a beautiful area on the beach. Maybe it could be more like Dubai.

• 9:52Bill Maher?

  Okay, it's great to think about that, but then we're gonna just take it over? Like, what, we're an imperial power? It's 1898 again, we're just gonna take over Gaza and Greenland and the Panama Canal? It's, you know...

• 10:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, but Bill, don't you think he just puts things out there to get a reaction from people?

• 10:14Bill Maher?

  He's the president, you can't just put things out there when you're...

• 10:16Speaker 02

  Why not?

• 10:17Bill Maher?

  He's not a podcaster.

• 10:18Speaker 02

  Look what he did with the tariffs. Everybody jumped up and down, all the Democrats were upset, and what did he do? He named the tariffs just to bring these people to the table.

• 10:26Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  He's a business guy. He negotiates.

• 10:29Bill Maher?

  Yeah, okay, it's a week into the tariff thing, Michael. It's a week, we'll see.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 10:33Bill Maher?

  Yeah, it also could like fucking put us into a depression because everybody, we've had tariff wars before. 1930, okay, right after the stock market crash. It was the worst thing for the depression was the tariff war. So we'll, a trade war, we'll see what happens, but.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Okay, but so far, no damage. He, he accomplished what he wanted to do in the short run. He brought them to the table to get security at the borders.

• 10:57Bill Maher?

  Okay, there are, there are people who have been damaged already because he, well, he froze all spending. People didn't get their Medicaid checks. And then he unfroze it. Okay, well, you just can't do, first of all, it's illegal. You have to, Congress has to pass the laws. He, he seems to forget about that part of governing this country. But yes, people, you know, we'll, we'll see. I mean, it's, it's too early to make giant judgments. Like I say, uh, I don't mind relooking at things. This country is bloated.

• 11:32Bill Maher?

  I want to see what Musk is gonna do with all that. The idea of just going with a sledgehammer through everything, not thinking things through, talking about us taking over places like an imperial power again, no, I don't like that. And I, and he just doesn't understand how this country works or doesn't care to learn, nor can you tell him anything.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  I know, but you know, how this country works? Especially in the past couple of years, it hasn't been working well.

• 12:01Bill Maher?

  All right, but it also, it also, it hasn't been working well and it also could get worse.

• 12:07Speaker 02

  I think it would have gotten a lot worse had Trump not been elected as president.

• 12:11Bill Maher?

  I'm getting that impression.

• 12:13Speaker 02

  A lot worse.

• 12:14Bill Maher?

  Great, well, you know what?

• 12:15Speaker 02

  What did you think of Kamala? I mean, I've heard you obviously, what do you think of her? Do you think that she should have even been a nominee?

• 12:22Bill Maher?

  You know, my line on her was, do I love everything? No, not, not even close.

• 12:27Speaker 02

  The woman wasn't even competent to be.

• 12:30Bill Maher?

  Okay, but at least she understands how the United States government works, that it's not a monarchy. At least she concedes elections. Conceding elections is the most important thing in this country, in a democracy, and your guy doesn't do it.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  Let me, let me tell you what my thoughts are, and I know where you're going with this.

• 12:50Speaker 02

  These democrats for the past four years have done nothing but lied to us in every sense of the word, lied. They've totally disregarded our trust for four years, come on. Lied to us, you know, Biden wasn't even competent to be in that office. He didn't run the presidency, he didn't run the country. We had a shadow government basically running the country. And for me, I look at it this way, you lied to me once, okay, things happen. Second time, I don't know, third time, forget it. These people have been lying constantly. They don't know the truth from a lie.

• 13:28Bill Maher?

  And you find no lies in Donald Trump's history?

• 13:31Speaker 02

  Let's put it this way, forget about his history.

• 13:33Bill Maher?

  Come on, man.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  No, no, no, forget about his history. I don't care what he did 20 years ago. I come from New York.

• 13:39Bill Maher?

  You care what he did four years ago when he was president?

• 13:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, what did he do? How did he hurt the country four years ago? When he was president, how did he hurt the country? Aside from the fact that, let's not go into the fraud on the election if there was or if there wasn't, whatever.

• 13:51Bill Maher?

  Okay, well, listen to what you just said. Tell me how he hurt the country, but let's not go into the main way he did it.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  No, not yet, not yet. Forget that for a moment, because that was the election at the end.

• 14:01Bill Maher?

  I can't forget that.

• 14:02Speaker 02

  Okay, but everything, what did he do for the country?

• 14:04Bill Maher?

  I can't forget that, and nor should I.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  What did he do for the country?

• 14:06Bill Maher?

  Great question, what the fuck did he do?

• 14:08Speaker 02

  How is the country four years prior to Biden's administration? In your opinion?

• 14:14Bill Maher?

  Well, okay, I mean, he would say that he had the greatest economy of all time. Basically, he had the economy he inherited, which was Obama's economy. Well, that's true.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 14:26Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  He didn't destroy it, right?

• 14:28Bill Maher?

  He did not destroy it. No, he did not destroy it. I mean, there were, there are people, look, he cut taxes for the rich.

• 14:38Speaker 02

  He cut it for the middle class also.

• 14:40Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I understand that, but, but if you look at the numbers, if you look at the charts, most of it goes to the rich. Look, I'm not, I'm not a communist, and I've been very hard on the left.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  You have been, and I love it.

• 14:52Bill Maher?

  Yeah, when they are, when they are wrong. What Biden did mostly, I think, wrong was that he did, he was feeble, he was old, he had not the strength or the appetite in any way to stand up to the far-left fringe of his country. So he let them do anything. I'm not against some of these things that Trump is undoing now. D E I did go way too far.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Get rid of it.

• 15:15Bill Maher?

  So, so you know, there is, there is a, and look, people, people voted for him. Elections have consequences. Um, somebody gets, when they get in office, they have, there is their right to then go, go ahead and do what they said they were gonna do.

• 15:32Speaker 02

  And he's doing that?

• 15:34Bill Maher?

  Yeah, oh, no, he's definitely doing what he said he was gonna do.

• 15:36Speaker 02

  Everything that he campaigned on.

• 15:37Bill Maher?

  I mean, I didn't hear a lot about Greenland, uh, before he won, but okay.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know where that came from either, but that, that's Trump.

• 15:45Bill Maher?

  Well.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  That's Trump. You know, I mean, you know, it's no longer the Gulf of Mexico, the Gulf of America. I mean, we didn't hear any of that. I don't think that mattered to the American people, but the fact that

• 15:56Bill Maher?

  I always found it.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  The important things, the important things, the border, you know, the economy, let's see what he does. I mean, he's in office two weeks.

• 16:03Bill Maher?

  I always found it amusing, the, um, connection between the mafia and their view of America, which is very patriotic.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:13Bill Maher?

  I mean, the very first scene in The Godfather.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 16:16Bill Maher?

  I'm sure you know it well.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  Inside Out.

• 16:18Bill Maher?

  Inside Out. And what is, his first line is, I think, I love America.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:24Bill Maher?

  The, the undertaker who's coming to Don Corleone for justice. I love America. I came here, and then he goes through the whole story about, uh, my daughter, she went out with a boyfriend, who brought another boyfriend, and they treated her like an animal. I sat in that courtroom and they laughed.

• 16:43Speaker 02

  How many times have you seen it?

• 16:44Bill Maher?

  Oh, I could do, I can, it would be.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  It's on every week now, you can't miss it.

• 16:49Bill Maher?

  Oh, I mean, it's that kind of movie where you're like, if you see two seconds of it, you go, no, no, no, I've seen this too many times, and then you're home.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  And then you watch the whole thing.

• 16:56Bill Maher?

  It's, it's amazing. But they love, but he loves America, and Don Corleone understands, he's, he's a little insulted because the man is asking him to commit murder, uh, because they raped his, his daughter.

• 17:09Speaker 02

  On the day of his daughter's wedding.

• 17:10Bill Maher?

  Oh, it's when you can't refuse any favor that they're asking you. And he said, that is not justice. I understand. You came to this country, you found paradise, with courts of law and police to protect you, so you didn't need a friend like me.

• 17:26Speaker 02

  That's good, Bill.

• 17:28Bill Maher?

  That's it. You didn't need a friend like me.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:31Bill Maher?

  There we are again with the protection racket. But that's it. He's competing with America. America has done for this guy what he used to do when there were first immigrants in the country. America, there are courts of law and police to protect you. You didn't need me anymore.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:49Bill Maher?

  That's so interesting to me.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true.

• 17:52Bill Maher?

  But also that, you know, they really do love America. I mean, Michael Corleone, when he has to go testify, you know, he's a war hero. He was, they make-

• 18:03Speaker 02

  Well, Bill, let me tell you this. I was indicted seven times. I had two federal racketeering cases and a state racketeering case, and I love America. And at one time, I hated the FBI and I hated the government. I grew up hating them. Because I love my dad and they were, you know, constantly harassing him, in my view. Now I understand a little bit more.

• 18:23Bill Maher?

  But didn't he kill people?

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Well, that's what they say.

• 18:27Bill Maher?

  But he was, wasn't he head of the Colombo crime family?

• 18:30Speaker 02

  He was the underboss.

• 18:32Bill Maher?

  You were the head of the family?

• 18:33Speaker 02

  No, I was a, I was a captain of the regime, a captain.

• 18:35Bill Maher?

  Right, a captain.

• 18:36Speaker 02

  I mean, it was, it was an official position and-

• 18:39Bill Maher?

  Did you ever beat yourself up for not getting the top job?

• 18:42Speaker 02

  Didn't want it, Bill.

• 18:43Bill Maher?

  You didn't want it? You didn't want to be there? Too, too high profile?

• 18:47Speaker 02

  I had too much of a bull's eye on my back and, you know, you got to understand. I had, I had investigations from the time I was 20 years old. I had a 14 uh, agency task force on me for years. And kept getting these indictments. I went to trial five times. I beat every case.

• 19:03Bill Maher?

  But aren't these, aren't these investigations of you for good reason? Because you were breaking the law?

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Here's the thing, here's what they're talking about, and this is what Bondi recently said. You know, we're no, no longer going to use the Department of Justice to target an individual and find out what crime he's committing.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  That's what they said. That's what's been going on in lawfare for the past couple of years. But I can almost understand it, you know, mafia organized crime because we were allegedly criminals at that time. So, hey, let me see what this guy is doing. We know he's doing something. We don't know quite what. But we'll figure it out. We'll investigate him. Because it's backwards. In our life, you didn't have a crime and then they go investigate it. They were investigating you to see what crime you might commit.

• 19:49Bill Maher?

  But you, but the mafia was committing crimes. You deny that?

• 19:53Speaker 02

  No, I'm not saying that.

• 19:54Bill Maher?

  Extortion, loan sharking.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  I'm saying you could almost say, that's okay. All right, we know these guys are criminals. We don't know exactly what they're doing. We hear it. We have to find out. This is a criminal organization, so we'll target individuals and go after them. That's kind of okay.

• 20:10Bill Maher?

  It was a fishing expedition where there were a lot of fish.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Correct. That's a good way to put it. Okay. But do you do that, do you do that to legitimate people that are not involved with organized crime?

• 20:22Bill Maher?

  But you were involved.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  I know, no, no, but I'm saying, I'm okaying that.

• 20:26Bill Maher?

  Oh, I see.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. But do you do that to legitimate people that are not involved in organized crime? Because you don't like them, because they disagree with you, they're not on your, they don't have the same agenda.

• 20:36Bill Maher?

  No, that is wrong. And there is some of that that does go on. Absolutely.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Would you agree that a lot of it went on with Trump?

• 20:42Bill Maher?

  With Trump? Oh, you're obsessed with Trump?

• 20:45Speaker 02

  I'm not obsessed with him, but I, I, I just want to have this discussion.

• 20:48Bill Maher?

  Oh, you're talking about lawfare. Well, I mean, it's a tough question that he put the country in. Because as president, you don't want to go where so many other countries have gone. Where the guy loses an election and now they prosecute him. Because.

• 21:08Speaker 02

  They prosecuted him while he was president also with two impeachments.

• 21:11Bill Maher?

  Yes, because he does commit crimes. See, this is the little fly in your ointment. Like not conceding the election, trying to get fake electors to show up. When he knew and every court told him, you can't do that. That went to court over 60 times, laughed out of every court, pressuring the Justice Department, calling up the. The guy in Georgia who was a Republican, the vote counter there and saying to him, "I need you to find 11,000 votes." It can't be more blatant than that. That this is, these are crimes. I would also say, uh, the Russia thing, even when he just said out loud, Russia, if you're listening, "I wish you could help me with my campaign." We never did that before, Michael.

• 21:55Bill Maher?

  You see, we ran our own campaigns. We didn't bring in ringers from the outside. It's part of the original documents that the founding fathers wrote. "We don't want any help from outside because we're gonna handle this ourselves." Maybe the Republicans and the Democrats fight each other to the tooth and nail, but don't bring in somebody from the outside. He broke that. He broke so many laws, uh, not to mention norms. So, the idea that, "Well, it's just lawfare going after him." It's not lawfare if the guy actually did commit crimes. And again, you have to weigh that against where, what's the better, uh, tact? Because you don't wanna become that country where, as soon as somebody leaves office, uh, they prosecute them.

• 22:39Bill Maher?

  What the president gets to do should have broad, broad protection. That's true. Because when you're president, you do have to make difficult decisions, like, "We may have to bomb you." And so you can't, you know what? Okay, you can't just be called a war criminal for everybody you bomb. Sorry, that's just the way of the world. But he took it to a different level, so, yes. Uh, I don't think it's, I don't think it was all just lawfare.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  Bill, these crimes that they allege, these are all nonsense.

• 23:10Bill Maher?

  They're not all nonsense. I just listed why they weren't.

• 23:13Speaker 02

  No, let me, no.

• 23:14Bill Maher?

  You don't care. You just like him. I like who you like. You don't listen to the logic about it or the facts. You just like him. It's okay. You're entitled.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Let me give you logic.

• 23:23Bill Maher?

  Just don't bullshit me, man.

• 23:24Speaker 02

  Let me give you logic and facts, okay? I told you I had three racketeering indictments. Three. Okay, I know this statute inside out and upside down.

• 23:33Bill Maher?

  We're back to you now.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, I'm coming to a point. I will tell you this. The information and the evidence that was uncovered by the GOP investigation on Joe Biden and Hunter Biden and his family. There was more evidence than there was in any one of my racketeering indictments. Joe Biden is treasonous.

• 23:53Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that was, that was.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  No, no, listen to me.

• 23:54Bill Maher?

  No, I agree, I'm agreeing with you.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Okay, he's treasonous.

• 23:56Bill Maher?

  He's not treasonous.

• 23:57Speaker 02

  Yes, he is. He sold out his vice presidency. That's treason, for money.

• 24:01Bill Maher?

  For fuck's sake, you just don't like him, so that's treason, but your guy.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  Bill, no, no, no, no, let me tell you. You know why I don't like him?

• 24:07Bill Maher?

  Oh, for fuck's sake.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  I don't like him because he, he's, he's a liar. Now, let, let me finish my point.

• 24:14Bill Maher?

  I didn't say anything.

• 24:14Speaker 02

  He's a liar. He was never competent to be president. He lied every single, he lied about everything.

• 24:20Bill Maher?

  I'm not a, I'm not a huge fan.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  He lied about the laptop. He lied about everything. He had fifty-one, him and his, his cohorts there, got fifty-one intelligence agencies, agents to lie about the laptop after they knew that the FBI had authenticated it. Absolute liar.

• 24:37Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Okay, as far as that, let me tell you this.

• 24:40Bill Maher?

  Not a huge fan.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  He had eighteen, eighteen shell companies that did nothing. There was no brick and mortar behind him. There was no employees. All they did was collect money. How do I know about that? I had twenty-one shell companies when I was collecting, defrauding the government out of tax on every gallon, I guess. I know the whole system. He sold out his vice presidency. He sold it out. He's treasonous. And he, and he lies. He lies. He don't even know how to tell the truth. And he destroyed the country.

• 25:09Bill Maher?

  Treasonous. If we were at war and he was selling secrets to them, we weren't.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  How do we know what he did for the money? Bill, how do we know he did for the money that he got?

• 25:17Bill Maher?

  He got his ne'er-do-well crackhead son a job in an energy company when he knew nothing about energy.

• 25:24Speaker 02

  Is that okay?

• 25:25Bill Maher?

  It's not okay, but you have, but you have no perspective on what is the bigger crime. You just like the guy you like.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  No, I don't.

• 25:32Bill Maher?

  So everything he does, you see through rose-colored glasses.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  Bill, you're wrong.

• 25:35Bill Maher?

  And this other guy.

• 25:36Speaker 02

  No, you're wrong.

• 25:37Bill Maher?

  It's okay. It's what most of the country is like.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  I would tell you.

• 25:40Bill Maher?

  But just don't ask me to respect it as, as critical thinking.

• 25:43Speaker 02

  I like, I like Donald Trump for the policies that he put into this country. And I think during his time as a president, I didn't know him before that. I met him one time. Thirty years ago with Roy Cohn, for five, he probably wouldn't have even remembered me. We had a little meeting, I had a meet with Roy Cohn, he happened to be there. That was it. I don't know him, I have nothing to do with him. Let me tell you something, I don't, I'm not in awe of anybody. I just like the job he did as president. I don't care about anything else. And listen, I have a podcast and I tell my people straight out. If I see Donald Trump doing something wrong, I'm gonna hold him to it.

• 26:17Bill Maher?

  I doubt it. I sincerely doubt it.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  I give you my word on that.

• 26:22Bill Maher?

  Well, you say it, but I, but I already told you like ten things he did and you don't see any problem with there. So I don't know, like, what could he do? Let me, give me the example of something he could do that would piss you off, that if he, if he did it.

• 26:33Speaker 02

  If he did anything near what Biden did, making campaign promises, lying through his teeth about a laptop and about money that he collected and about what he did with his son, and then preemptive pardons for his family, unheard of, for anything known or unknown.

• 26:48Bill Maher?

  This guy just pardoned all the people who beat up cops and forced their way into the Capitol.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Bill, I'm gonna tell you what I think about that. I'm gonna tell you.

• 26:54Bill Maher?

  I'm sure you don't like cops, but you know.

• 26:56Speaker 02

  No, no, I do like cops, I've got a lot of good friends with cops. Oh yeah, my mentality has totally changed. But let me tell you this, I just interviewed two people that were pardoned. They got pardoned Monday night, I had them on my show on Wednesday. Did you know, I know this is gonna be a tough point with you. I don't trust these people. You lied to me once, twice, three, you continue to lie to me.

• 27:18Bill Maher?

  It's on tape.

• 27:19Speaker 02

  No, what's on tape?

• 27:20Bill Maher?

  Them doing these crimes. It's on tape, we can watch it.

• 27:24Speaker 02

  Let me tell you something, one of these people, who happened to be an ex-marine, never in trouble in his life, veteran, never in trouble. You know what his job was when he got out? He had a foundation going after people that were, uh, uh, human trafficking. He was rescuing people.

• 27:37Bill Maher?

  I don't know every one of the J6.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  No, no, no, but I, I wanna tell you my experience.

• 27:40Bill Maher?

  There are people on tape, we see them doing it.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Well, maybe, maybe it was the twenty-five, uh, informants that the FBI planted that day.

• 27:48Bill Maher?

  You listen to way too much.

• 27:50Speaker 02

  It's the truth, Bill. There were twenty-five informants, they admitted to it.

• 27:54Bill Maher?

  That, they weren't, in, well, informants, if you mean.

• 27:57Speaker 02

  What were they doing there?

• 27:58Bill Maher?

  If you mean that the FBI was aware that there was a riot brewing and some, put some people on the ground, but they weren't fomenting the riot.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  How do you know that? Why would 25 informants be there? Not one of them got arrested.

• 28:12Bill Maher?

  So all these people who came to Washington, some from all over the country, they came there just looking for a picnic grounds or something? And then the FBI on the spot? What about the ones who came with zip ties?

• 28:25Speaker 02

  They came for a protest.

• 28:27Bill Maher?

  With zip ties?

• 28:28Speaker 02

  I don't know about those people.

• 28:30Bill Maher?

  Exactly. You don't know about these things that you don't want to know about. You see, I listened to both sides. You plainly do not.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Bill, I've listened to this for four years and finally had an opportunity.

• 28:40Bill Maher?

  You've listened to your channel for four years?

• 28:42Speaker 02

  No, I have not.

• 28:45Speaker 03

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• 29:43Bill Maher?

  Well, then you, then you, there were people that are caught with zip ties and stuff to, to basically kidnap people.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  I'm going to tell you, I'm going to tell you my theory on what happened based upon what I know. Okay, speaking to people that were pardoned, speaking to the lawyer that represented a lot of these people that were pardoned that worked on it. Number one, did you know this? Nancy Pelosi's son-in-law was in the crowd telling people to go into the Capitol where his, where her daughter was, taking pictures of people coming into the Capitol. Her daughter's a producer.

• 30:18Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know her daughter was. She's a, she's a director.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Okay, a director. But she was there with a camera inside the Capitol. Why? What was she doing there?

• 30:26Bill Maher?

  Well, it was the day we were transferring power.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  But why was she there?

• 30:30Bill Maher?

  Because she's a, she's a filmographer. That's what she does for a living.

• 30:33Speaker 02

  Okay, so she just happened to, her, her, her husband was outside telling people to come in and she happened to be there with a camera.

• 30:39Bill Maher?

  So that's your theory Nancy Pelosi's daughter fomented the riot on January 6th?

• 30:45Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I'm not saying that. Let me ask you this. Cash Patel just testified in front of the confirmation.

• 30:49Bill Maher?

  Yeah, he said he, even he, even this fucking right-wing QAnon nut, even he says he's, he's against Trump pardoning the J6 rioters. He said that. Did you know that?

• 31:02Speaker 02

  Because some of them beat up the cops. I understand that. Okay, but did you hear what else he said? That days before this protest, Trump went to the, he was in the Department of Defense at that point. And he went to Cash Patel and he said, "We're gonna need the National Guard there that day. We want to make sure the area is secure." They prepared and got the National Guard ready to be there. Cash Patel himself called Nancy Pelosi, called Chuck Schumer, and called the mayor of Washington DC, and they all refused the National Guard. Why?

• 31:34Bill Maher?

  Now, that could be true.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  If the president wants them there, because he knew, maybe this will get a little out of hand, why did they refuse it? I'm gonna tell you what my theory is and you can say you're crazy.

• 31:44Bill Maher?

  I'd have to look at those facts again, but I have heard that before from reputable sources that, well...

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Cash Patel testified to that.

• 31:52Bill Maher?

  Testified doesn't necessarily mean it's true. Yes, I know. Well, it's a, that's, this is a kangaroo court. Now they're gonna, it's a Republican Congress.

• 32:00Speaker 02

  No, Democrats are questioning him too.

• 32:02Bill Maher?

  Yeah, they're questioning him, but they're not gonna get to vote him out. He's gonna be the head of the FBI.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  But we're not talking about that. Whatever the vote is, the vote is. But this is his testimony.

• 32:11Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Speaker 02

  He just said it.

• 32:12Bill Maher?

  I'm just saying I don't take it as the word of God, his testimony.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  But if Donald Trump requested the National Guard and those three people refused...

• 32:19Bill Maher?

  That part I would definitely look into more. I mean, I have heard that from, from not just right-wing sources. And there was something, but plainly, um, when, when it started to go sideways, he did not seem very...

• 32:34Bill Maher?

  He invested in figuring out a way to stop it. He could have, you know, uh, done a hundred things, but he just seemed to wanna watch it on TV. But, look, Michael, that's not even the thing that I blame him the most for. Because it's a little squishy, some of the facts. Look, he's Donald Trump. Do I think he played it wrong? Of course, he's Donald Trump. But, um, what I blame him for is just to this day, but including, and most importantly, from the election in 2016, uh, rather 2020, until January 20th, when Biden took office, still never conceded. So of course, if you don't concede, the people out there who are your rabid followers

• 33:19Bill Maher?

  are going to do something like January 6th. They were going to do something. His crime to me is a slow-moving crime of, nope, I never conceded. All I try to do is find crazy ways to contest this election. I will pressure the Justice Department. I will try it in the courts. I will call attorney generals and ask them to, uh, find votes that don't exist. I will send fake electors. I will do all this shit. And while he's doing all this shit, of course, his people out there and his shills in the media are going to be saying, look, he hasn't given up on this. How can you possibly do something that would not give up on this? What could you do?

• 34:02Bill Maher?

  Oh, like go to Washington the day that they're going to pass the torch of power, which is the jewel in our crown in this country, man, is that we do that. We pass power. You know, like in your business, your old business, or your father's business, that's not how they pass power. You come out of Sparks Steakhouse, fish you in the head. It was a lovely dinner, and you wish you had that after-dinner operative, because now you're dead and you would have enjoyed it, but you didn't. But that's, that's not how we wanna do it in this country.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  I agree, Boba. I gotta tell you this. I'm a former street guy, and I look at things sometimes very cynically. I'm sorry. The way these people acted in the past four years, everyone, first of all Nancy Pelosi, listen Nancy Pelosi's father was connected with the mob in Baltimore. They put him in office as mayor there. She has the same characteristics as a mobster. I'm telling you right now. And I, I take it personally because she's Italian.

• 34:55Bill Maher?

  She's tough, I'll give you that.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  She's not tough, she's, she's crooked.

• 34:58Bill Maher?

  Nancy's crooked?

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. She made herself wealthy on inside a trading bill. You gotta, you gotta tell the truth.

• 35:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah, that may be true, I read some of that.

• 35:06Speaker 02

  Hundred percent, there's no doubt about it. She uses her office for own piggy bank. She hates Donald Trump.

• 35:11Bill Maher?

  Again, I don't, I honestly don't think she's in it for the money. She definitely had money.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  She got a half a billion dollars or something like that.

• 35:18Bill Maher?

  Half a billion, you sure about that?

• 35:20Speaker 02

  Well, no, I'm not sure, but these are, these are the numbers. No, okay, let me tell you what I am sure of. I'll tell you what I am sure of.

• 35:26Bill Maher?

  I'm not sure, but I just say it.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  She's worth three hundred million, I'm sure of that.

• 35:29Bill Maher?

  How do you, you're not sure of that, you're just saying it?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  No, I am sure of that, she's admitted to it.

• 35:33Bill Maher?

  Oh, she did?

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's worth three hundred million dollars, her and her husband.

• 35:38Bill Maher?

  No, I read that there was something shady about some, but she's not the only congressperson was.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  No, I said that before.

• 35:43Bill Maher?

  They even introduced, okay, look, when it's right, I, I.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Republicans and Democrats.

• 35:48Bill Maher?

  I'm an honest broker.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  I know you are.

• 35:50Bill Maher?

  That's what it is, so.

• 35:52Speaker 02

  I know you are, but I, I think you're misguided.

• 35:55Bill Maher?

  I will never, ever.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  I'm gonna have, by the way. You don't drink wine, huh?

• 35:59Bill Maher?

  No, I really don't. I'd like to go straight to getting fucked up.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  On the bottle?

• 36:04Bill Maher?

  Oh, thank you.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:05Bill Maher?

  Is that for me?

• 36:06Speaker 02

  That's for you.

• 36:06Bill Maher?

  That's very kind, thank you so much.

• 36:08Speaker 02

  That's Francis wine. The wine is from Armenia.

• 36:12Bill Maher?

  But I understand you're in the olive oil business?

• 36:15Speaker 02

  No, not in the olive. Pizza and wine.

• 36:19Bill Maher?

  You know what I love about your history is that it's almost the story in The Godfather, you wanted to go to medical school.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  True.

• 36:27Bill Maher?

  And you came back because your father needed you. That is the plot of The Godfather. I mean, it's one of the reasons it's such a great script is when you first see him is with Kay at the wedding, and he tells the story of Luca Brazi. And then he says to Kay. That's my family, Kay. That's not me.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  I know.

• 36:46Bill Maher?

  And then when he's in the hospital, when he's taking and he's moving his father because they're gonna come get him, and he says to him, "I'm with you now, Pop. I'm with you now." It's such brilliant screenwriting because it works on both levels. I'm with you physically and I'm also, "Well, I'm with you now." You got me. I didn't want to be in the mafia, but you know what?

• 37:03Speaker 02

  Neither did I.

• 37:04Bill Maher?

  It's gotta be a good job.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  You mind if I have a little, because I have more bottles for him?

• 37:07Bill Maher?

  Oh, no, I'm sorry, yes.

• 37:08Speaker 02

  I have more for you.

• 37:08Bill Maher?

  Please.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  We have this here, too. Pomegranate wine, something you've never tasted before.

• 37:13Bill Maher?

  Is this something you do as a business?

• 37:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:15Bill Maher?

  Pomegranate. Well, we know that's good for your balls, right? Now, isn't it good for...

• 37:20Speaker 02

  That's what they say.

• 37:21Bill Maher?

  For, um, urinary health or something?

• 37:25Speaker 02

  Very healthy. Flying off the shelves. People love it.

• 37:28Bill Maher?

  It is?

• 37:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:29Bill Maher?

  And you made the, uh, the decanter look like a pomegranate?

• 37:35Speaker 02

  People love it. They're making sangria out of it, everything. They love it.

• 37:39Bill Maher?

  I love a hitman who's artistic. That's what I got.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  No, you were never a hitman. Well, I wish I could claim the design, but I can't.

• 37:45Bill Maher?

  You were never a hitman, right?

• 37:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, let me put it here.

• 37:48Bill Maher?

  Did you ever push a button on a guy?

• 37:50Speaker 02

  Oh, Bill, come on.

• 37:51Bill Maher?

  I'm asking you.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  I always have to ask that question.

• 37:53Bill Maher?

  Well, it's a thing. It's your thing.

• 37:55Speaker 02

  Come on.

• 37:56Bill Maher?

  It's a... Did you ever push a button on a guy because a godfather?

• 38:00Speaker 02

  Can I?

• 38:01Bill Maher?

  Is it one or two where Cheechy is done, is testifying? Uh, Mr. Cheech?

• 38:08Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 38:09Bill Maher?

  That's true.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  And they brought his brother in.

• 38:10Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:11Bill Maher?

  Mr. Cheech, what is a button man? Uh, you know, Senator. Uh, they tell me to push a button on a guy and I...

• 38:17Speaker 02

  Push a button.

• 38:18Bill Maher?

  Push a button.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:19Bill Maher?

  You kill them.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Remember, we have a lot of buffers. Remember that line?

• 38:23Bill Maher?

  Yeah. Did you ever get the order from Michael Corleone? Nah, no, uh, we have a lot of buffers.

• 38:29Speaker 02

  All right, just to show you how honest I am.

• 38:31Bill Maher?

  Yes, please.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  I'll go to a certain point.

• 38:34Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 38:35Speaker 02

  I spent 20 years in that life. Obviously, it's a violent life at times.

• 38:39Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  You're involved in life, you're involved in the violence. I leave it at that?

• 38:44Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 38:44Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 38:45Bill Maher?

  I know, I don't want any guests to feel uncomfortable here.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  Well, that's my, that's my answer. But now I want to go-

• 38:51Bill Maher?

  They make me uncomfortable.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  I want to go, I want to go back to something. This is important because, and I'm going to tell you this, I'm not blowing smoke. I really have a lot of respect for you, especially lately.

• 39:01Bill Maher?

  I appreciate that.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  No, I mean that because you just tell it like it is.

• 39:04Bill Maher?

  I do.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  You really do.

• 39:06Bill Maher?

  Even when it's right back at you about Trump.

• 39:08Speaker 02

  Exactly. As a matter of fact, I did a whole podcast on you saying something about, you know, the, the left and how they've not been honest and all that. And I said, "Look, even Bill understands this."

• 39:19Bill Maher?

  Nobody puts the knife into the left better than me.

• 39:23Speaker 02

  Because I understand them.

• 39:24Bill Maher?

  And it disappoints me so much. When she won, I mean, when she lost, what I said was, first of all, I just, at this rate-

• 39:32Speaker 02

  You didn't want her to win, though. Be honest.

• 39:33Bill Maher?

  Yes, I did, because I don't want him to win. There's only two choices.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  But see, but see, that's not right.

• 39:37Bill Maher?

  Okay, let's not go back.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  That's not right.

• 39:39Bill Maher?

  Let's not go back. I, I, you know-

• 39:41Speaker 02

  No, no, I got to tell you, this is what bothers me.

• 39:44Bill Maher?

  It's what bothers me.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  No, no, but listen-

• 39:45Bill Maher?

  So we have to just leave it at that, Michael?

• 39:47Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I have to say-

• 39:48Bill Maher?

  We have to leave it at that.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  No, let me just say this.

• 39:50Bill Maher?

  You're not going to convince me and I'm not going to convince you, so why?

• 39:53Speaker 02

  Why would you want somebody that's so incompetent that couldn't take care of our country?

• 39:57Bill Maher?

  Well, there you go. That's why I didn't vote for Donald Trump. Um, okay. So we just see it different? Yeah, you see it definitely.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  So-

• 40:06Bill Maher?

  The, the key to this country is we have to be able to like have that and then go, "Let's talk about other things." Like how many guys you killed. We don't have to do that. But, uh, no, that was, that's fine. You, you, you're in a violent life and, well, what are the, what are the good times like, though? Like-

• 40:24Speaker 02

  Great.

• 40:25Bill Maher?

  Because, I mean, I pictured the scene in Goodfellas where they're walking into the nightclub and they're going through the back and they-

• 40:34Speaker 02

  I'm going to tell you this right now-

• 40:34Bill Maher?

  -put the table down for them. Was there a lot of that?

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Henry Hill never walked into the back of the Copacabana. Henry, he, he never looked so good as he looked in that movie. I knew Henry very well, and I happen to like him, uh, but Henry was a problem person. He was either a drug addict or alcoholic at the same time. He, he didn't have the stature that they showed him to have in that movie.

• 40:55Bill Maher?

  But he wasn't even Italian.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  No, he wasn't made. He wasn't a maid. He was an associate.

• 41:00Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  I was a made guy.

• 41:02Bill Maher?

  Like at the Gap. Would you like to talk to one of our sales associates?

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Well, that's what they call him. He was an associate. He didn't take the oath. But, um, but the movie was, it was fairly accurate. It was fairly accurate.

• 41:13Bill Maher?

  Except for that part, huh? He wasn't, he wasn't a marker like that. He doesn't, he wasn't one of the big ballers, but he.

• 41:18Speaker 02

  No.

• 41:18Bill Maher?

  Okay. But was he a good earner?

• 41:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 41:21Bill Maher?

  No, not a good earner? You gotta be a good earner.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  He wasn't a good earner. He was, he got involved in drugs, which you shouldn't have done.

• 41:28Bill Maher?

  What makes a good earner?

• 41:29Speaker 02

  In that life, you had two different kinds of people. You had the racketeers and you had the gangsters. The racketeers were the guys that brought the money in. You can consider me a racketeer. The gangsters, see, I was fortunate and some of us were, where we knew how to use the life to benefit me in business, to benefit us in business. The gangsters just didn't have the capability of doing that. So they did a lot of the heavy work. Let's put it that way.

• 41:57Speaker 02

  Heavy work.

• 41:58Bill Maher?

  And, uh.

• 41:58Speaker 02

  I'll give you an example. In our family, the Columbo family, we had a hundred and fifteen made guys in my time, guys that actually took the oath. Hundred and fifteen. We had a lot of associates and people, but we had a hundred and fifteen made guys. Out of those hundred and fifteen, twenty of us were really earners.

• 42:14Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 42:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. The other ninety-five, who had a no-show job, who got a union job, who's trying to scrape out a living, that was it.

• 42:20Bill Maher?

  And why weren't they let go? Like they would do a GE every year, cut out the bottom ten. No, you can't? Because once you're in, you can't.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  You can't, well, that's what they say.

• 42:29Bill Maher?

  But what, but what sort of pressure do they put on you to be a better earner?

• 42:33Speaker 02

  If they know you can't, they don't.

• 42:34Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. But like if, you know, some other work had to come out, you had to do that.

• 42:41Bill Maher?

  And what would you say the perks are? Like what, what? Like, okay, say Henry Hill didn't get to go into the Copa.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  No, but I did.

• 42:48Bill Maher?

  But somebody, but you did. You went to the Copa like that.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  My father was a king of, of the Copa. I was going there since I was nine, ten years old.

• 42:55Bill Maher?

  And so they would treat you like?

• 42:58Speaker 02

  Royalty.

• 42:59Bill Maher?

  Royalty.

• 42:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:00Bill Maher?

  Because they feared you.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  No, not because of it. Look, my father, myself, we were outgoing people. We took care of the waiters and the waitresses. We did the right thing, you know? They had a problem in the place, we straightened it out for them. You know, we made sure that everything was right in that place. You know, I want to tell you this. My dad, my dad taught me a lot of good things. Unfortunately, he did forty years in prison and he wasn't around me that much when I was on the street because he was always in jail. But he taught me a lot of good things. One thing he taught me that I never forgot and really worked for me in my former life and now. He said, "Mike, always be good to the little people." Now, he didn't mean that in a demeaning way, it's just the way he spoke. He said, "Take care of the little people because they're the ones that make you strong."

• 43:42Speaker 02

  It's not the people on top that want to cut your legs out, in this life especially. He said, "But it's the people that you take care of and you give respect to." And I've been that way my whole life because my father taught me that and it's the right thing to do. And you know, so that's why you get into going to the back of the Copacabana. Not because they're afraid of you, because that doesn't work. It's just treating people the right way, being there for them, that's important. Now, I met everybody that you can imagine during that era with my dad and then really on my own. The Copa closed later on, but it was a great place. You had, it fit three hundred people. The tables were this big because they crammed you in there, you know, narrow. But it was the best place, you know, to see a show because you were right on the stage.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  Guys right there, like me and you, right here.

• 44:28Bill Maher?

  And you cherish those memories of your father. I'm talking about teaching you those.

• 44:33Speaker 02

  I, I loved, I loved what my father taught me. My father taught me other thing. He said, "Listen, be the last one to judge somebody." Last one, because your turn is going to come and they're going to remember how you judged the other person. Because you know, look, I got to be honest with you, in that life, you know, you're sitting down in meetings sometimes where somebody's life is at stake.

• 44:54Bill Maher?

  I was always glad this house didn't go to strangers. First Clemenza took it over, then you.

• 45:01Bill Maher?

  My father taught me many things, right in this room. Used to be a big desk.

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Can I, can I say that you're a fan of mob movies and so?

• 45:10Bill Maher?

  Taught me, keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Did your father teach you that?

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 45:17Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Yes, absolutely. And what's the best way to defeat your enemies?

• 45:21Bill Maher?

  Kill them.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 45:23Bill Maher?

  Kill them at Steak Spark, at Spark Steak House, when they walk out after a fine meal.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Best way to defeat your enemies? Make them your friends.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, think about it.

• 45:37Bill Maher?

  No, I mean, that's very true. I mean,

• 45:42Bill Maher?

  I, I think in the third one, he says anger clouds your judgment.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 45:47Bill Maher?

  But let's be honest, that is not really the history of how the mafia works. I mean, the mafia works basically on fear, um, do it our way. And, and by the way, this is something that empires throughout the ages have done. This is what the Roman Empire did. This is what Genghis Khan did, you know? We can, we can get along very well if you just do exactly what we say, or we'll kill you. So which would be a choice for you?

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Less for a time, but, uh, Chaz Palminteri.

• 46:17Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Very dear friend of mine.

• 46:18Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  Together last night, um, Bronx Tale.

• 46:22Bill Maher?

  Together, you mean?

• 46:23Speaker 02

  We had dinner together.

• 46:24Bill Maher?

  Awesome.

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Bronx Tale.

• 46:28Bill Maher?

  Yeah, great movie. Of course, great movie.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  You remember the scene when, uh, Sonny is talking to little Collojo? And Collojo says to him, is it better to be feared or to be loved in your life? And Sonny talks about it and he says, it's better to be feared in my line of work. Okay, good line in a movie. Cut to, I asked Chaz, I said, Chaz, you around, Chaz is not a mob guy, but he was around, grew up in the neighborhood, he knew people.

• 46:53Bill Maher?

  Ish.

• 46:54Speaker 02

  I said, let me ask you this right now, in our life, my former life, you think it was better to be feared or to be loved? He said, oh, it's better to be feared. I said, you're wrong, Chaz.

• 47:04Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  He said, what do you mean? I said, let me tell you, if fear did keep people in line, myself included, no question. Fear kept us in line to a degree. But here's what happened. When the RICO statute came out and Rudy Giuliani, you have to say, the guy that learned how to use the RICO statute against the mob, the most effective prosecutor in that regard, um,

• 47:27Speaker 02

  When that statute came out and became so detrimental to our life, because now you could get murder can now become a federal crime, where before was only a state crime, but it's a predicate act in the RICO.

• 47:42Bill Maher?

  There was some mission creep.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Yes. So here's what happened. Now you get indicted for RICO. You're gonna get a hundred years, like all the commission guys. So what they did to guys is they said, listen, we're gonna put you away for a hundred years. You're not getting any bail. You'll never make parole. We'll give you some money. We'll put you in the witness protection program. And you testify against these guys. They're going away forever. Don't worry about it. What happened is the fear of the mob was transferred to the fear of the government. That's what destroyed that life.

• 48:15Bill Maher?

  Governments can be a mafia. So can police departments. You know, I mean, when you give people power, some will take it.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Like government?

• 48:23Bill Maher?

  Yeah, they, no, absolutely. No, it's, it's, you know, but what Winston Churchill said about our form of government, democracy, that it's the worst form of government, except for all the others.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Yes, you can't give people too much power, too much. I agree.

• 48:38Bill Maher?

  Jack Webb on Dragnet said, when somebody was complaining about one of the cops, he said, yes, ma'am, but we have to recruit from the human race. You know, humans are not good people. That's my essential.

• 48:50Speaker 02

  We're inherently, we're inherently bad. People are inherently bad.

• 48:56Bill Maher?

  Yeah, kind of.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  They gotta turn to the good.

• 48:58Bill Maher?

  I mean, there are some who somehow are saintly and altruistic, but it's not the default setting for humans.

• 49:06Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 49:07Bill Maher?

  And civilization, I always say it, it's a mile wide and an inch deep. Because like you, the slightest little thing, and you know, people would eat each other, you know?

• 49:18Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 49:19Bill Maher?

  I'm not saying if I was on a plane crash and there was nothing else, I would eat somebody, but yes, I would.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  You would, and you would, as opposed to being eaten?

• 49:31Bill Maher?

  Yeah, well, you know.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Hopefully, we never, we never have to make that choice, but I understand.

• 49:36Bill Maher?

  You know, dog eat dog world.

• 49:38Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 49:38Bill Maher?

  I mean, we're, we are animals very close to below the surface. And it's amazing, actually, that we keep the veneer of civilization as much with the lid on as we do. When I think about how many nutty people are out there with nutty ideas and weaponry. Uh, and it's basically, you know.

• 49:58Speaker 02

  Cause they're not accountable to a higher spirit. Like I am accountable to God. Um, so you try to stay on track.

• 50:07Bill Maher?

  I mean, just when I drive around the city. Okay, there's like hundreds, thousands of people who were all in these big, very dangerous things that we could, if we wanted to, just go fucking nuts and drive it through the plate glass window of the store. And people don't. And there's like the occasional accident, but basically we're whizzing by each other. Who the, you know, you gotta.

• 50:34Speaker 02

  They know that they would hurt themselves also. Maybe if they weren't gonna hurt themselves, they might do it. Who knows?

• 50:39Bill Maher?

  Yeah, but I mean, like a lot of accidents these days are people on their phones and

• 50:44Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 50:45Bill Maher?

  Just, I'm not saying it's necessarily malicious or they go nuts or zombie-esque and, you know, it's, it's Mad Max, but yeah, some of that. I mean, the kind of people who live on the streets who you see are crazy. What if they got behind a wheel? What, what would they, what would a homeless, the kind of person who you're like, oh, that guy, I feel bad for him, but you know, I'm staying away cause he's obviously dangerous. He's, he's got something, he's swinging. You know, what if that guy got in a car? It's, is that, how does that not happen? I don't want to give the homeless any ideas cause they're big fans of this podcast.

• 51:23Speaker 02

  But, I mean, they were, from what I was, from what I read at one point, they were standing on a, on an overpass of the freeway and throwing rocks down on there.

• 51:33Bill Maher?

  Yes.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  You know, on the cars.

• 51:35Bill Maher?

  Look, I'll, as an olive branch politically, I'll tell you something. Cause I'm telling you, I don't hate everything. I'm not gonna pre-hate. Uh, here's something I, I absolutely do not hate about Trump being president again. Police morale will go up. And police morale needed to go up. After George Floyd in 2020, police who have a racist history, but so does everything in America.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:07Bill Maher?

  Have a racist history, okay? We're unfairly branded something they're not. There are bad people everywhere, but it is a tough job and we also know about the police.

• 52:22Bill Maher?

  They're quite sensitive. I don't blame them. They do a hard job. That is pretty dangerous, not as dangerous as others. I have the list. But okay, still dangerous and stressful. And you wouldn't do it. And somebody has to do it. Because of that whole civilization being an inch-deep thing. And, you know, people in this city, even the nice liberals, you know, the ones who still have their houses not burned down. We had a little trouble here with fire recently. Okay, so.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  Thanks to your governor and.

• 52:56Bill Maher?

  Well, it's not thanks to the wind, but yes, there were, there were things that. Sweetheart, my first editorial this season was all about how the government could have done better. So don't tell me.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  No, no, I know that. I know that. Yeah.

• 53:09Bill Maher?

  So, but it was mostly the wind. I also made that point.

• 53:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 53:14Bill Maher?

  Anyway.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  But water in the hydrants would have helped.

• 53:16Bill Maher?

  Water. I made that point.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  And the reservoir would have helped.

• 53:19Bill Maher?

  And the mayor being here.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  And the mayor being here.

• 53:21Bill Maher?

  Lots of things. And not choosing a police, a fire chief because she was the best lesbian. A lesbian can do the job, I said, which is true. Of course, it's true. But they didn't choose the best person. They wanted to just, it was, let's have a lesbian first and then we'll get the best lesbian. Okay, that's not good enough for a job of this.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  It was very important. It was very important to choose a lesbian. No, no, no, listen. In case they had to rescue a lesbian in the fire, and the lesbian's gonna be a lot more comfortable seeing another lesbian. Didn't care how big she was or if she can carry her out. Bill, this is so insane.

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• 55:03Bill Maher?

  And that's why, and that's what I call out. What you're referring to, if people don't know, is somebody else in the department, a deputy chief, said something like, when people are in an emergency, like a fire, they want to see someone who looks like them coming. No, they just really want to get out of the building.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  Should have been fired on the spot. That's ridiculous.

• 55:24Bill Maher?

  Right, and again, this goes back to what I said about the worst thing Biden did. He just gave in to every bad impulse from the fringe.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  That's not the worst thing Biden did.

• 55:33Bill Maher?

  Okay. Take yes for an answer.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  Bill, the worst, no, no, no, no. Forget about him stealing the money and being treasonous. That was as a vice president. Well, okay.

• 55:43Bill Maher?

  Let's go back to when I was being nice to Trump and saying that he...

• 55:46Speaker 02

  No, no, no, before you say that, the worst thing Joe Biden did, the guy's got blood on his hands for what he did at the border, allowed people to come in here to kill people in this country.

• 55:55Bill Maher?

  He did a terrible job with the border. Is it enough that I agree with that?

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Okay, why did he do it? Because he wanted to turn every state blue. There was no other reason for it, and so they would never lose another election. These people don't play fair.

• 56:06Bill Maher?

  I don't know if that's so much as it is something even worse.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Oh, let's hear it.

• 56:11Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah, that, well, the left, their big, their big, their biggest problem, I think, they have many psychologically, but one is the, you know, wine-sipping liberals, the white liberals, the white liberals. This is mostly, they just have this crazy need to beat themselves up about race in ways...

• 56:37Speaker 02

  Well, so they do.

• 56:39Bill Maher?

  It's so part of their identity, and of course, it's so hypocritical. It's like, if you really feel that bad, go switch houses with somebody in Compton. I'm sure they'll be happy to live in your house in the valley, and you could live in Compton.

• 56:52Speaker 02

  You'll never see that happen.

• 56:53Bill Maher?

  No, of course not. But, so that's the thing, is that they did not want to be, they so don't want to be seen as racist, that it's somehow in their, this is again, what they do that's so infuriating, they go to the ultimate end of what's counterintuitive often, or just dumb, and they go all the way to, "Well, then we can't stop anybody from coming into the country, because that would be racist." And that's not racist. It's just what every country has to do.

• 57:24Speaker 02

  I hear you, and I appreciate that, but I don't believe that they're worried so much about that. These people-

• 57:32Bill Maher?

  No, they are. Trust me, this is my people, these are my people.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Well, no, they're not even your people.

• 57:37Bill Maher?

  I know these people.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  Bill, they're not even your people anymore, because you've said it right. You haven't changed, the party has changed, they're not your people anymore.

• 57:45Bill Maher?

  What I mean is, they're people I know, because I live here amid show business in Hollywood, and I'll admit this too, show business in our community is the epicenter of the problem. It is where, it's where the stupidity is deepest about this kind of stuff. I mean, I'm a proud liberal, but I'm not a-

• 58:05Speaker 02

  Do you think they really care about these people? That they're bleeding hearts, and they needed to come here?

• 58:11Bill Maher?

  What they, and they, no, I'm not saying they do, I'm not arguing with you now. What I'm saying is, similar to what you're saying, it's so important to their identity. They're what I call liberals in theory, because I see how some of them act, like, in day-to-day with people, with their assistants, that kind of stuff, and it's so not liberal. It's just so country, and, you know, born to the manner, and, you know, they're often very well-to-do, and not afraid to spend their money on the stupidest things, so, yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  They're such hypocrites, come on.

• 58:45Bill Maher?

  They're such hypocrites.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  Thank you. They really are.

• 58:49Bill Maher?

  You don't have to.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  Biden couldn't give it. If Biden, if he showed any empathy.

• 58:55Bill Maher?

  A sliver of people here. We're not talking about all Democrats, or at least I'm not.

• 58:59Speaker 02

  He was at the head for four years.

• 59:01Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  Can I just.

• 59:02Bill Maher?

  Right, and that's why the Democrats lost because they, they lost their touch with their own voters.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  They lost because their policies were horrible.

• 59:10Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 59:11Speaker 02

  Horrible.

• 59:11Bill Maher?

  And they still haven't gotten it because.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  No, they're still fighting. They're still arguing.

• 59:15Bill Maher?

  The, the, uh, we're gonna probably talk about this on my show Friday. The new head of the Democratic Committee, is it?

• 59:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, I see.

• 59:23Bill Maher?

  And they started the meeting like, okay, we have to, we lost an election terribly to the guy we said could never win. Okay, and he did it again. Okay, so we need a new leader and a new way of doing things. But first, we must acknowledge that we are sitting on land that was properly owned by the Chamash people.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  Same thing.

• 59:46Bill Maher?

  You fucking idiots. You know, I did a whole bit on it in my special. Like, really? Either shut the fuck up or give it back. Those are the only two choices. And you don't want to give it back.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  Okay. So my theory, I think it's based on Sound Foundation. The only reason he opened up the border, didn't care who came in, who killed who, whose taxpayer money went to spend. He didn't care. Make every state blue. That's it. You never lose another election.

• 1:00:13Bill Maher?

  That's a theory. That's again, the reason why I believe you think that is because I have a pretty good idea of what media you listen to. So that's the kind of thing they say. And it, there may be some truth to that, but you know, first of all, it's a bad idea. You know why? Because the Latinos are voting for Trump now.

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  But they didn't know that. They were so bad.

• 1:00:32Bill Maher?

  I understand.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  They thought it was gonna go the other way.

• 1:00:34Bill Maher?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  They thought it was gonna go the other way.

• 1:00:36Bill Maher?

  I'm not sure that was the, I think it's more the other thing is, we, we're not racist. Everyone should come here. Yeah. Okay.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  Everyone should come here and every taxpayer should should take the they didn't they didn't calculate anything.

• 1:00:50Bill Maher?

  As with everything, there's a sane middle ground. I mean, like when Trump says they're the rapists, the criminals, and they're eating the they're eating the dogs. Okay.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Well, they do eat dogs.

• 1:01:00Bill Maher?

  No, like it's so funny, like, nobody will just come to the middle. Like, absolutely, most immigrants just want a job, and they're law-abiding. But also, you know, that Venezuelan gang is not a boy band. You know, I don't want them in my country. To get back to my thing about the police. Yeah, the people in this city, and again, oh, here, we got off track when I was going. These kind of phony balonies, you know, here in the in the nice restaurants and the people you see out on the town. Like, they're fed up. They're fed up that they can't go east of La Brea anymore without fearing for their life.

• 1:01:40Bill Maher?

  They're fed up that they, you know, saw carjacking and they they don't wear their good watch when they go out now because they're.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  They're gonna get taken off their wrist.

• 1:01:49Bill Maher?

  They don't want to live in that world, that city, like, oh, please, I mean, they.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  I know, and who gave them that?

• 1:01:55Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I'm again, I'm not arguing with you. I'm saying that this is what the Democrats have to get. You're you're even gonna lose the, you know, the Upper West Side unless you come to grips with this. And again, I think the police will have a better morale because Trump, you know, again, with everything with them, nothing in the middle, a little too much perhaps, you know. But at least they know this guy has their back, and and they feel like nobody has our back. You wouldn't do it. It's a tough job. You have to make decisions in split seconds. We get tarred as races for the entire police force of the country because this asshole did this and this asshole did this.

• 1:02:40Bill Maher?

  And, you know, things have changed. I always say to people, live in the area you're living in. I did some very rough editorials about the police 10, 15 years ago, and a lot of the things that I was complaining about have changed. Back then, no cop ever went to jail for anything. You could do whatever the cop did, they would come out and say, it's right in the manual. It's right in the manual that you shoot a guy in the back if he's six years old. Okay, that's not, then, keep up with what happened, live in this year. There've been many cops who have gone to jail and, and also police chiefs who have not backed the guy who did the crime, you know? It's, it's a different world and cops, most of them are young.

• 1:03:25Bill Maher?

  What's, what's, what's the uncoolest thing you can be in Los Angeles? If you're 25, a racist. So, you know, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but, you know, I want the police to feel like, no, we appreciate it. We don't want to live in uncivilization and we get it that you're the guys who make that possible. Now, could I get another drink, waiter?

• 1:03:49Speaker 02

  The dumbest thing that I ever heard, and this is from a former mobster who didn't like the police at one time, is, defund the police. It was the stupidest.

• 1:03:58Bill Maher?

  So stupid.

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  They come up with stupid ideas. They make, you need the police.

• 1:04:03Bill Maher?

  They get, they can out stupid that. How about, um, when a baby's born, we don't know what sex it is. I mean, a penis is a, what? It's, what it's, it's, it's an indicator of some, I don't know.

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  So, so you like the, the Trump's executive order, there are now only two genders recognized?

• 1:04:23Bill Maher?

  Uh, no, but I'm very glad that I'm in one of the ones we're keeping.

• 1:04:30Bill Maher?

  I really.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  Okay, don't you think it's, don't you think life is better when it's?

• 1:04:34Bill Maher?

  Like in the mob, speaking of that, come on, it must be.

• 1:04:37Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:04:38Bill Maher?

  The women, like, do they throw themselves at you like rock stars if you're in? Really?

• 1:04:42Speaker 02

  It was pretty good, yeah.

• 1:04:44Bill Maher?

  Is it like in, um, uh, Henry, what's that, Goodfellas?

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  Goodfellas?

• 1:04:50Bill Maher?

  I mean, there it was like.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  Women were attracted to, women are attracted to bad boys.

• 1:04:54Bill Maher?

  To what?

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Bad boys.

• 1:04:56Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:04:56Speaker 02

  A lot of women are attracted to bad boys.

• 1:04:58Bill Maher?

  That's right.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  But I want you to know, I'm married 40 years now.

• 1:05:01Bill Maher?

  How many?

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  Forty, this year, forty.

• 1:05:03Bill Maher?

  Wow, forty.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Young woman that saved my life.

• 1:05:06Bill Maher?

  Saved your life?

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  If I don't meet her. And walk away from this life at some point. I'm either dead or in prison.

• 1:05:14Bill Maher?

  So she, so a woman got you away from the life? Tell me that story.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  I met her, she was nineteen years old. I was, I was producing a movie in South Florida.

• 1:05:23Bill Maher?

  How old were you?

• 1:05:24Speaker 02

  I was thirty-one.

• 1:05:25Bill Maher?

  Completely appropriate.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, thirty-one, and we had taken cast and crew from LA to work in the film, and twenty professional dancers. It was a dance movie. And she was one of them. And...

• 1:05:38Bill Maher?

  I love it.

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  I met her and...

• 1:05:40Bill Maher?

  I love it.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  That was it. And then I'll tell you what would it really was.

• 1:05:44Bill Maher?

  That was it? You knew right away?

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  I did.

• 1:05:46Bill Maher?

  How?

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  I just knew, man, I just...

• 1:05:48Bill Maher?

  You know, people say they're blown away by that.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  Something about her. It was different than, look, you know, I was around a lot, and she was different than every other woman that I had met. And I'll, I'll tell you this, I'll go even deeper. I call the mob life, cause I know it's a mafia, they're evil lifestyles. But I wanna be clear. I'm not calling the guys evil.

• 1:06:08Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  You know, why do good people do bad things? There were good people there.

• 1:06:11Bill Maher?

  Hate the sinner, not the sinner.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Correct. I like, I like that.

• 1:06:15Bill Maher?

  Well, that's what the Christians say. And you know I'm a very devout...

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  One day, can we have another conversation about that? Not today, but about Christianity?

• 1:06:24Bill Maher?

  Why not right now?

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  We can do it now, but let me finish my point.

• 1:06:27Bill Maher?

  Do we have an agenda here?

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  No, that's even...

• 1:06:29Bill Maher?

  Do I look like I have one?

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  That's even better. But let me tell you this. The reason I call it an evil life, I don't know any family of any member of the life that hasn't been destroyed, including my own.

• 1:06:41Bill Maher?

  Destroyed?

• 1:06:42Speaker 02

  Destroyed.

• 1:06:42Bill Maher?

  Like dead or...

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  No, destroyed with a family is just a mess. Let me explain. Now, not my wife and kids, I've been able to shield them from that.

• 1:06:50Bill Maher?

  But Michael, you can never lose your whole family.

• 1:06:52Speaker 02

  You can.

• 1:06:53Bill Maher?

  That's what his mother says, so.

• 1:06:54Speaker 02

  No, she's wrong. Let me tell you.

• 1:06:56Bill Maher?

  Michael, you can never lose your family.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  I know. Well, she didn't, he didn't yet. And then he go and killed his brother, right? But he didn't. He killed Fredo after that.

• 1:07:04Bill Maher?

  Yes, he did.

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:07:05Bill Maher?

  You're right.

• 1:07:06Speaker 02

  But, um... My mother, my dad does forty years in prison. My mother thirty-three years without a husband. She passed away in two thousand twelve. Her relationship with my dad, ugly. Cause she blamed him for everything that went wrong. Rightfully so. She was innocent. My sister dies of an overdose of drugs, twenty-seven years old. My brother, twenty-five years a drug addict. What I had to go through just to keep him alive on the street. My other sister, forty years old, dies. Just, she wasn't, she wasn't all there.

• 1:07:38Bill Maher?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:07:39Speaker 02

  The family was destroyed. And every family of every member of that life that I know goes through a similar fate. So any, any lifestyle that does that to a family is no good. It's bad. So I meet this girl, I fall in love with her. She's twenty years old. I said, am I gonna marry her and put her to do the same thing? Cause I got a huge target on my back, seven indictments already. They're never gonna let me go. Never. I'm going down. It's, I'm not, you know, hey, I beat all of these cases. I'm not the Teflon Michael or any of that. I knew eventually I'm going down. And I said, I gotta make a choice. At the same time, Giuliani went crazy with the recall indictment. Giuliani told me in the courtroom, damn my arraignment, he gave me a million dollar bail. He said, if I convict you on this case, you're getting double what your father got.

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  I'm gonna give you a hundred years. That's the kind of time they were giving us. By the grace of God, I beat that case, or I wouldn't be here right now. So I said, it's only a matter of time. And when I go, I'm going forever. There's no question. So that's when I started to say, I gotta get away from the life.

• 1:08:40Bill Maher?

  So you met her before you went to prison?

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:43Bill Maher?

  And, but she stayed with you even though?

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Stayed with me eight years while I was in prison.

• 1:08:48Bill Maher?

  Really? And visited you how often?

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  As often as she could. The government gave me a very hard time, cause they would move me around.

• 1:08:54Bill Maher?

  Is there such, do they still have conjugal visits?

• 1:08:56Speaker 02

  No. Feds never had conjugal visits.

• 1:08:59Bill Maher?

  Do they still do that?

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  State.

• 1:09:01Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:02Bill Maher?

  You get conjugal visits?

• 1:09:03Speaker 02

  In the state, under certain conditions.

• 1:09:05Bill Maher?

  But you didn't, for eight years, you didn't have, you were in prison?

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Bill Maher?

  And, and, and you couldn't get a conjugal visit?

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  No. And I spent twenty-nine months and seven days in solitary.

• 1:09:17Speaker 02

  Six by eight cell, that's it, me and, me and the cell.

• 1:09:20Bill Maher?

  In the hole?

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  In the hole. Shoe, that shoe, special housing.

• 1:09:25Bill Maher?

  How do you get through that?

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  Tough.

• 1:09:28Bill Maher?

  Like what? Like what do you, what do you do all day?

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  You read?

• 1:09:32Bill Maher?

  Oh, you can read?

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:33Bill Maher?

  Even in the hole?

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  Well, they give you books.

• 1:09:35Bill Maher?

  Well, then that ain't the hole. That ain't the hole I know.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:38Bill Maher?

  I can't believe that they have ruined the hole.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  That's the hole you know.

• 1:09:42Bill Maher?

  Okay, the hole was just like, it was literally a hole. Like in World War II movies, like when you throw, when they, the Nazis throw you in the hole. Trust me, there's no reading.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  I don't know what a military prison in, in, in Germany was, but I'm saying in, in civilized prison here in the United States, you can read.

• 1:10:00Bill Maher?

  In the hole?

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:01Bill Maher?

  No television? What, what do you think about people who are in solitary, you know? That to me is almost-

• 1:10:07Speaker 02

  Well, it's solitary, Bill.

• 1:10:08Bill Maher?

  Oh, I know, but that, but I'm talking about solitary just permanently in the prison. Yeah, that's part, what? It's crazy, right? That'll drive you crazy. You need human contact.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  Absolutely. I mean, it, to keep your sanity, I saw a lot of things happen bad there with guys that just couldn't handle it. And I don't demean them. It was rough. I mean, I seen wrists being slit and a lot of bad things.

• 1:10:32Bill Maher?

  So, how do you take care of your sexual needs for eight years?

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  You don't.

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  That's it. Very simple. You don't.

• 1:10:41Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I remember one-

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  You come out crazy.

• 1:10:43Bill Maher?

  There was a great scene in The Sopranos where Tony sees a guy at a gas station who-

• 1:10:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:49Bill Maher?

  You know the scene?

• 1:10:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, he killed him?

• 1:10:51Bill Maher?

  No, he didn't kill him.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Oh, which one?

• 1:10:52Bill Maher?

  No, this was a guy, he ran into him, he had just, this is a guy who had been in prison. And he just sees him and he comes over and he's like, oh, wow. You know, it's great to see you. I'm glad you're out and, and, you know, the guy you could tell was a little bitter. And Tony says, you know, I wanted to this and I wanted to that. And he goes, "Yeah, and I wanted to have sex with a woman, but I masturbated into a tissue for five years."

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:14Bill Maher?

  Does that describe your experience?

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  I'm not saying it doesn't happen, uh, but-

• 1:11:20Bill Maher?

  Masturbation? Why are you so shy about that?

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  I'm not shy.

• 1:11:22Bill Maher?

  You're in prison. At least you didn't take it up the ass.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:11:25Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  A lot of guys did.

• 1:11:27Bill Maher?

  A lot of guys did?

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Bill Maher?

  Against their will?

• 1:11:30Speaker 02

  No, I didn't see much of that.

• 1:11:31Bill Maher?

  Not against their will?

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Most guys-

• 1:11:34Bill Maher?

  Like, he gets, it's interesting that-

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  You see more of that in the state. Not as much in the feds. Feds a little more, they got more control.

• 1:11:42Bill Maher?

  Okay, so if you, you're saying if you have to go to prison.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  Oh, you want to do federal time, without a doubt.

• 1:11:48Bill Maher?

  But, I will say this about the Michael Corleone killing his brother thing, may I?

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 1:11:54Bill Maher?

  I think it was wrong, but you got to admit, after that, Connie stopped her bitching.

• 1:12:01Bill Maher?

  Okay?

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  Yes, but it was wrong.

• 1:12:04Bill Maher?

  It was wrong.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  You don't kill your brother.

• 1:12:06Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Hey, my brother, um, you know, became an informant.

• 1:12:10Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:12:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:11Bill Maher?

  And where, is he alive?

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:13Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:12:14Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:14Bill Maher?

  Witness protection?

• 1:12:16Speaker 02

  He was.

• 1:12:16Bill Maher?

  He was?

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:18Bill Maher?

  What's that like? Do you, uh, do you know?

• 1:12:20Speaker 02

  I don't.

• 1:12:21Bill Maher?

  Or, or is even the family kept away from knowing where the identity?

• 1:12:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:12:26Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:27Bill Maher?

  So you're not in touch with them because he was in the program?

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:30Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  I, I didn't speak.

• 1:12:31Bill Maher?

  So he could be living as, as, as Joe Flumstein? And, and Jaboigan?

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, my brother, I didn't speak to him for 10 years.

• 1:12:41Bill Maher?

  Holy crow.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  And then, um, at a 70th birthday party, surprise party, and my wife invited him.

• 1:12:48Bill Maher?

  Wow, you're 70, you look good for 70.

• 1:12:50Speaker 02

  He's 74 this year.

• 1:12:51Bill Maher?

  Holy fuck.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  My dad lived to a-

• 1:12:53Bill Maher?

  Good Italian olive oil skin.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  My dad lived to 103.

• 1:12:56Bill Maher?

  Yeah, Johnny Fontaine with his olive oil skin and-

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  You really know that movie?

• 1:13:01Bill Maher?

  Guinea charm. A man in my position cannot afford to look ridiculous.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:13:06Bill Maher?

  Now you get out of here.

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  You like that, huh?

• 1:13:08Bill Maher?

  And you tell him, I ain't no bad leader. Oh yeah, I heard that story.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Until he got the horse's head, but. And by the way, I, I, and people ask me all the time, did you ever cut off a horse? I said, no, we don't do that. And then, and then, and no, no, no, listen, and then two months ago, I wrote an article about guys in Italy that cut off a head and left it in somebody's-

• 1:13:28Bill Maher?

  You know what they ought to have? A mafia museum.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  They do. The mob museum in Vegas. You've never been?

• 1:13:36Bill Maher?

  No.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Oh, you're gonna go. You would love it.

• 1:13:38Bill Maher?

  And they have like a horse's head.

• 1:13:40Speaker 02

  You would, you would love the mob museum.

• 1:13:42Bill Maher?

  Cement blocks that they put guys' feet in when they put them over the dock.

• 1:13:46Speaker 02

  I can't believe you don't know there's a mob museum in Vegas.

• 1:13:48Bill Maher?

  I don't.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  It's a terrific exhibit, terrific.

• 1:13:51Bill Maher?

  A lot of people say Vegas was better when the mob ran it.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. Hundred percent.

• 1:13:57Bill Maher?

  You know that, you were there?

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:13:59Bill Maher?

  You're talking about the Rat Pack days?

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  Yes, days at the Dunes Hotel and we owned those places, I mean. Come on, who built Vegas? You know the mob.

• 1:14:08Bill Maher?

  Oh, of course, that's what the, I mean, the, the character of Mo Green

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:14:15Bill Maher?

  in The Godfather is really Bugsy Siegel. And Bugsy Siegel, I mean, the great speech that Lee Strasberg has in Godfather 2. There was this kid. We started out together, did all our first work together.

• 1:14:31Speaker 02

  That was Meyer Lansky, allegedly.

• 1:14:32Bill Maher?

  My, right, Meyer Lansky. He kind of looked up to me, I was a little older. Made a fortune during prohibition. We ran molasses to Canada. Your father too. Later on-

• 1:14:44Speaker 02

  I'm really impressed with this.

• 1:14:45Bill Maher?

  He had an idea to build a city out of a desert stopover for GIs. This was a great man, a man of guts and vision. Someone put a bullet in his eye when I, you know. That's Mo Green. That's Meyer Lansky because he, he's saying he's a great man because he built Las Vegas. And he did.

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  It's his idea.

• 1:15:11Bill Maher?

  It was his idea.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  What did he say? He said, "I didn't get mad."

• 1:15:15Bill Maher?

  I didn't get mad. I knew Mo-

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  Didn't blame anybody.

• 1:15:18Bill Maher?

  Headstrong, saying stupid things. When I heard about it, I didn't ask who gave the order. I let it go. I said, "This is the business we've chosen."

• 1:15:30Speaker 02

  You got it down.

• 1:15:32Bill Maher?

  Now, that $2 million in your room.

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  It's not here by tomorrow.

• 1:15:35Bill Maher?

  It's on the table when I get out of, I'm gonna take a nap.

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  Now, that was a phony scene.

• 1:15:40Bill Maher?

  What do you mean?

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  Meyer Lansky had juice, but he would have never taken control of that meeting with other made guys in there. Never.

• 1:15:49Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  No. No way.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  He was lucky with Jono's guy, you know that.

• 1:15:55Bill Maher?

  What do you think about other mafias that come along? I mean, are you jealous? Do you guys have sort of beef with each other? Do you, you know, I mean, Mex- I mean, there's a lot of Russian mafia.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  I got along great with them. They were my partners. They were my partners in the gas business.

• 1:16:11Bill Maher?

  That's so cynical.

• 1:16:12Speaker 02

  We made a lot of money together.

• 1:16:13Bill Maher?

  The Russian mafia?

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:15Bill Maher?

  You worked with the Russians?

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I had three Russian partners. Made more money with them than anybody else. They were great partners. Now, don't try to connect me to, you know, Donald Trump or something to that, no. But, uh, yeah.

• 1:16:28Bill Maher?

  But that's because they're ruthless?

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  No, they weren't ruthless. They were good businessmen. They worked 24/7. And, you know, I'll tell you what happened to the Russians. I meet them, whatever. Well, you know the background that I was defrauding the government, had a tax on, you know that.

• 1:16:43Bill Maher?

  Oh, I've heard.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  So, um, when I meet them, they had a number of gas stations called Gas Stop. It was their own brand. But they couldn't get the licenses that we needed to, in order to collect the tax. Couldn't do it. So I cut a deal with them. And I said, here's the deal. 75% me, 25% you. It was three of them, right? Mike Markowitz, he was Romanian, and he goes, "I don't think that's very fair, Mr. Michael." I said, "No, it's very fair." He said, "Why?" I said, "Because we're street guys. I know you're gonna steal a little bit." I said, "This where I got the major share." I said, "You steal a little bit." I said, "Just don't let me catch you." Right? He goes back, Bill. He talks to his other two Russians friends. He comes back, he says, "We got a deal."

• 1:17:29Speaker 02

  And we were together seven years. We never had an argument. We made a ton of money together.

• 1:17:35Bill Maher?

  There's a lot of heart in crime.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  A lot of heart.

• 1:17:38Bill Maher?

  You know, and there really is.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:17:40Bill Maher?

  I didn't realize that. There's a, yeah, so you have a kind of a camaraderie with the other criminals that you're...

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  Hey, we're still, we're men. You know, we're still, we had this brotherhood going together.

• 1:17:51Bill Maher?

  Doesn't matter to me what a man does for a living. But, uh, your business is, uh, a little dangerous.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  Listen, I have said this, and everybody, "Michael, come on, it's not true." It is true. In my era, in that life, we were not allowed to deal with drugs.

• 1:18:06Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  We were told if we dealt with drugs, we would die. And I know guys that got killed because of it. We were not cartels. We didn't move. In Italy, yeah, they're big heroin dealers and all. Not here. We couldn't do it. Were guys doing it on a sneak? Of course, they're trying to make a living. But you wouldn't, weren't allowed to do it. The reason Gotti was in trouble because his crew was dealing drugs. I'm not saying John was. I don't, I don't know if John was, probably getting a piece, but he wasn't directly doing it. But that's why Castellano was gonna kill him.

• 1:18:36Bill Maher?

  But that is really the difference between the old mafia and the new mafia. They got into drugs and it was a corrupting force.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:18:43Bill Maher?

  They couldn't.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  Drugs are bad business, dirty business.

• 1:18:46Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  Exactly what Don Corleone said.

• 1:18:48Bill Maher?

  Exactly what he said.

• 1:18:49Speaker 02

  A hundred percent right. They don't forgive drugs. The DEA, the cops, they don't forgive drugs.

• 1:18:55Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  And they shouldn't. And that's another reason, I gotta go back, why I hate Biden. You know, Bill, you know fentanyl is coming in in this country in droves. How do you not? You're the president, you were put in a position to trust. Your number one priority is to, is for the safety of the American people. That's what you swore to, you took an oath. Can I tell you something? Joe Biden is worse than, than half of the mob guys I knew on the street. Bill, you gotta admit it, he's a bad guy. Come on, he's a bad guy. Donald Trump wouldn't do that. Donald Trump is closing the border, he wouldn't do, he, he has a conscience at least.

• 1:19:33Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I mean, I mean Joe's shortcomings, I don't think come out of a desire to see kids on fentanyl.

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  But he did it.

• 1:19:40Bill Maher?

  But you're right, you're right, in, in the sense of, is, are you responsible?

• 1:19:46Speaker 02

  Hundred percent he's responsible.

• 1:19:47Bill Maher?

  You know, they're not going to stop all the fentanyl coming in by stopping immigration. I think eighty percent of it comes in through citizens of the United States.

• 1:19:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:19:57Bill Maher?

  Oh, you know that.

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  Through the post office. Some of it too, yeah, I know that. But a lot of it is coming over the border. I like what Trump said. You bring this stuff over, we're going to shoot you.

• 1:20:05Bill Maher?

  Right. Well.

• 1:20:08Speaker 02

  And that's what they should do.

• 1:20:09Bill Maher?

  It's so funny.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, I'm a Christian, but I have to.

• 1:20:12Bill Maher?

  So far in this conversation, like, there are things that they will pull out.

• 1:20:18Bill Maher?

  The whole like first forty minutes of me like railing Trump's asshole. They'll put that and say where they'd hate me.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  And they'll hate me too.

• 1:20:27Bill Maher?

  And then they'll put the things where I'm agreeing with you about how crazy the left is. And they'll just show you on that.

• 1:20:32Speaker 02

  Oh, I hope so.

• 1:20:33Bill Maher?

  That's. No, but that's what they do. Whereas to really understand, you have to watch the whole conversation.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  Yes, I think a lot of people do when you're involved.

• 1:20:43Bill Maher?

  I I hope so, but I see.

• 1:20:45Speaker 02

  Bill, you're a star.

• 1:20:45Bill Maher?

  But but plainly, thank you.

• 1:20:47Speaker 02

  How long you been doing this?

• 1:20:48Bill Maher?

  Oh, thirty one years on TV without a break.

• 1:20:51Speaker 02

  I'm gonna tell you.

• 1:20:52Bill Maher?

  Thirty one years.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  I'm gonna tell you something.

• 1:20:53Bill Maher?

  It's amazing.

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  To do thirty one years without a break in this industry.

• 1:20:57Bill Maher?

  And this is how much the media hates me. They won't even cover that because like even though I voted for her, I'm not good. That's one reason I really have a thing for them. They just they're so exclusionary unless you're with them one hundred percent. And anybody who stands out a lot and goes, uh, yeah, I'm not gonna go with you one hundred percent because a lot of what you think is so fucking stupid. And I'm not gonna pretend I don't see it.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  I know, but that's because you're a man, you have integrity and you speak when you say. I mean that.

• 1:21:25Bill Maher?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:25Speaker 02

  I'm serious.

• 1:21:25Bill Maher?

  No, I know.

• 1:21:26Speaker 02

  And look, I'm gonna be.

• 1:21:27Bill Maher?

  And you pay a price for it.

• 1:21:28Speaker 02

  My son in law absolutely loves you. And I was mad at him at the times. What do you like this guy for? He's I'm serious. I used to say, what do you?

• 1:21:37Bill Maher?

  And now look at us, we're bros.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  And then in the last couple of years, I'm saying, man, I I think I was wrong. Bill is, he says it like it is. What do you believe? And I'm I really mean that.

• 1:21:48Bill Maher?

  Well, I will not be the one to break the peace we've made today.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  But but listen, I I just wanna, you don't have to admit to anything. I just want you to think about this because maybe we'll come back. It doesn't have to come over dinner. Give Trump, and you are, you said it, I'm not gonna hate every day. I'm gonna give him a chance.

• 1:22:06Bill Maher?

  I will not pre hate.

• 1:22:07Speaker 02

  You will not pre hate. The guy is gonna do.

• 1:22:09Bill Maher?

  And when I hate, I will say.

• 1:22:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:22:11Bill Maher?

  And when I don't hate, I will say.

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  I believe this about Trump, and this is the only reason why I like him. I don't know him. I think he cares about the people in this country.

• 1:22:19Bill Maher?

  He does. I would not argue with that. He he genuinely loves America, loves, you know, everything it it gave him. He just has a mental problem. He he's a, you know, like narcissist is a word they throw around a lot. They don't they don't really understand when they talk about it. I think that it's an actual. Psychological issue, it's in like the psychology digest. It's diagnosable, like if it was bipolar, people would be like, oh, God bipolar, we can't have that. Narcissism, they just kind of think, oh, it's a personality quirk. It's way beyond that with him.

• 1:23:03Bill Maher?

  If you love him and you flatter him, everything is great and he will never disagree with you or denounce you, whether you're Vladimir Putin or Satan. And if you oppose him, then he will just goes immediately into five-year-old, I will destroy you mode. I just don't think this is a way to run a railroad. I just don't think ultimately this is going to turn out well. But you know what? Again, I don't think it's bad that we're reexamining a lot of things that just slowly this country was bloating itself to death. It's just, just things like slowly over time, like the way no government program ever ends.

• 1:23:47Bill Maher?

  If you start it, it grows and it grows. And yes, I'm not, I'm not yet going to condemn Elon Musk, even though he seems to have a cadre of teenagers who are running through the government to find things. But I don't know, maybe nobody but a 24-year-old has the energy to do that.

• 1:24:09Speaker 02

  Bill, some of these kids, I mean, I have a team around me. I can't even, I couldn't compete with them. These kids are brilliant.

• 1:24:15Bill Maher?

  What do you mean a team around you for your podcast?

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, for all my stuff, you know, my company and all that. And a lot of them just, my partner here, I mean, he does things that I can't even, I don't even want to know. When I said, I don't even want to learn, it's too complicated for me. These young kids are smart.

• 1:24:30Bill Maher?

  And are any of your managerial skills that you brought to podcasting borrowed from your, your days in the old life? Like you break a knee if somebody is, you know, in the break room too long or something?

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  I mean, look, you know, the answer is yes. I mean, I don't mean to break a knee and all of that. No, I don't mean that. But I mean, but I'm saying. I think the most important thing in in life to be successful, I mean, one of the very, very strong elements is really know how to deal with people. Know how to deal with people. Networking is extremely important. Knowing how to deal with people and you're on the street. If you don't know how to deal with people, you're not gonna last. You know, and honestly, I was one of the young.

• 1:25:18Bill Maher?

  You were in New York.

• 1:25:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, New York, mostly.

• 1:25:20Bill Maher?

  One of the five families.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:25:22Bill Maher?

  Columbia.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  I was in Brooklyn.

• 1:25:23Bill Maher?

  Not affiliated with the Columbia School of Broadcasting.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:25:26Bill Maher?

  Or the university, just a completely different family.

• 1:25:29Speaker 02

  Completely different.

• 1:25:29Bill Maher?

  And the families were, I think I can name, Columbo, Gambino,

• 1:25:36Bill Maher?

  Bon Jovi.

• 1:25:38Speaker 02

  Close.

• 1:25:39Bill Maher?

  Wait.

• 1:25:41Bill Maher?

  Oh, God, I used to know these. Lucchese.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  Lucchese.

• 1:25:44Bill Maher?

  Luc Lucchese.

• 1:25:47Bill Maher?

  What was Carmine Galante?

• 1:25:49Speaker 02

  Carmine, he was, he was a Genovese guy.

• 1:25:51Bill Maher?

  Genovese?

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Bill Maher?

  Genovese.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  And then one more.

• 1:25:53Bill Maher?

  One more.

• 1:25:56Speaker 02

  You could eat it in the morning with your cereal.

• 1:25:58Bill Maher?

  Jermaine.

• 1:25:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:25:59Bill Maher?

  Oh, that's the Jackson Fire.

• 1:26:01Speaker 02

  It's yellow.

• 1:26:03Bill Maher?

  Custard?

• 1:26:04Speaker 02

  Close. No.

• 1:26:05Bill Maher?

  Lemon.

• 1:26:06Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 1:26:07Bill Maher?

  Eat it in the morning.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  Cereal with the lemon?

• 1:26:09Bill Maher?

  Orange juice family?

• 1:26:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:26:11Bill Maher?

  Well, I don't, I forget.

• 1:26:12Speaker 02

  Banano.

• 1:26:13Bill Maher?

  Banano, right. I forgot about those.

• 1:26:16Speaker 02

  And Columbo, you forgot that. That was my.

• 1:26:17Bill Maher?

  I remember when I was living in New York in nineteen seventy nine and the front page of the Daily News, I'll ever forget it. The picture of Carmine Galante.

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  Cigar.

• 1:26:26Bill Maher?

  Gun down with the cigar in his mouth and the blood running out on the floor of Umberto's Clam House.

• 1:26:33Speaker 02

  No, that was, that was Joey Gallo. That got killed there.

• 1:26:37Bill Maher?

  Really?

• 1:26:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, Carmine Galante was in another restaurant.

• 1:26:39Bill Maher?

  It was, it was not, okay.

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, Joey Gallo was killed, um, just outside.

• 1:26:45Bill Maher?

  Okay, so they have the mob museum. What about a mob tour?

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  They have that too.

• 1:26:51Speaker 02

  They got one in Chicago. I'll tell you what, listen to me.

• 1:26:58Bill Maher?

  Do they have one in New York where you can see all the places Sparks?

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  I could take it there, but.

• 1:27:02Bill Maher?

  No, but that wouldn't that be good? I mean, all the places where, I mean, that's where it started with the black hand. Remember the black hand?

• 1:27:09Speaker 02

  Maybe they do have one, but here's, here's a deal I'll make with you, and this is totally on you. If you ever want to go to the Mob Museum in Vegas.

• 1:27:17Bill Maher?

  Yeah, I might do that.

• 1:27:18Speaker 02

  Call me. No, let me, let me take you.

• 1:27:20Bill Maher?

  Sure, I'm gonna go with you.

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  And I know them all there. I know them all.

• 1:27:23Bill Maher?

  Believe me, if I'm going, I'm going with you.

• 1:27:25Speaker 02

  It'll be good.

• 1:27:26Bill Maher?

  Am I gonna go with Carrot Top to the Mob? No, go with you to the Mob Museum. Got a Carrot Top to the Spearmint Rhino.

• 1:27:34Speaker 02

  We'll have a good time. But what, you're gonna watch that movie, right?

• 1:27:37Bill Maher?

  19, oh, Gotti from 19.

• 1:27:39Speaker 02

  1996.

• 1:27:40Bill Maher?

  You think I can only get it on YouTube?

• 1:27:42Speaker 02

  Well, I don't know anywhere. I mean, no, I don't know where.

• 1:27:44Bill Maher?

  I'll get it.

• 1:27:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:45Bill Maher?

  I will get it.

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  It was brilliant. Okay, um, wanna go back to Trump or you wanna forget Trump?

• 1:27:52Bill Maher?

  Go ahead, whatever's on your mind.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  Well, you already said you're gonna give the guy a chance. I, and you said this too, which I appreciate. You believe he loves America and you believe he loves this country. I don't, I don't think Donald Trump will do anything to hurt America.

• 1:28:06Bill Maher?

  Not intentionally.

• 1:28:07Speaker 02

  Not intentionally.

• 1:28:08Bill Maher?

  Okay, well.

• 1:28:09Speaker 02

  And I think the other side has done a lot to hurt.

• 1:28:12Bill Maher?

  Not intentionally. Oh, come on. Oh, Jesus. It's such, it's such bad faith to think that way. So this is what I always tell the left to not to do, is to hate the other half of the country. But you just said they, that you think they, they wanna hurt America intentionally.

• 1:28:27Speaker 02

  They do. They do.

• 1:28:29Bill Maher?

  Then, okay, if I thought the right intentionally wanted to hurt America, I would hate them, but I don't think that. And the left doesn't intentionally wanna do it either.

• 1:28:39Speaker 02

  When you, when you know. When you know that people are coming into this country and killing other people and raping and

• 1:28:47Bill Maher?

  Not most of them.

• 1:28:49Speaker 02

  But many of them.

• 1:28:50Bill Maher?

  Some of them. There's, in any group of a million people, there's going to be some criminals. Same with immigrants. Actually, less than the percentage of citizens because immigrants, when they're here, mostly what they are is scared and they don't want to be caught. So like, I notice when I drive around here or anywhere, but definitely my area, uh, where there's a lot of maids and gardeners and so forth, like, those people drive perfectly. They do not want to get involved with law enforcement.

• 1:29:22Speaker 02

  Let me ask you this.

• 1:29:22Bill Maher?

  The white people will do anything. The white people are like, excuse me if they wave. I'm, I'm gonna jump across three lanes and cut you off and then come back and cut you off again the other. Thank you. That's what the white people do.

• 1:29:36Speaker 02

  Let me ask you this. Let's take it a step further. Christopher Wray, what did you think of him? Head of the FPD.

• 1:29:41Bill Maher?

  Oh god, are we gonna go there?

• 1:29:42Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, just quickly.

• 1:29:43Bill Maher?

  I thought he was a straight arrow.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:29:46Bill Maher?

  Which he was, and if you don't think that you're ideologically captured.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I'm not gonna comment on him personally.

• 1:29:53Bill Maher?

  Okay, great.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  Christopher Wray got up there and said, "We have terrorist cells that have entered this country in the past couple of years."

• 1:30:00Bill Maher?

  Sure.

• 1:30:00Speaker 02

  They're operating within the country.

• 1:30:02Bill Maher?

  I said, I thought Biden did a horrible job with the border.

• 1:30:05Speaker 02

  Okay, but you know that there's terrorists coming into this country and you don't close the border?

• 1:30:09Bill Maher?

  What do you want, a finger? I said, he did a terrible job.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:30:13Bill Maher?

  But we just disagree on what the motivation was. You think it was intentional.

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. Because, because when he knew it was happening, why didn't he close the border?

• 1:30:23Bill Maher?

  Okay. Letting the people in was intentional. The motivation, no. It wasn't to hurt America.

• 1:30:30Speaker 02

  Well, once he knew that they were here in this country.

• 1:30:32Bill Maher?

  Because the left has, again, this thing in their brain, these are the people with the signs on the front, you know, there are that say, "In this house, we believe."

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  So you think Bill, you think Biden was a humanitarian?

• 1:30:46Bill Maher?

  It's very important in their minds that they think of themselves as humanitarians.

• 1:30:52Speaker 02

  He was a racist too. Look at all the racist comments he made in his career. Biden was a racist.

• 1:31:00Speaker 02

  He was a humanitarian.

• 1:31:02Bill Maher?

  He's the same kind of racist that Trump is. A man of a certain age who hasn't gotten certain memos. That's all it is. Do they really? I don't think even Trump is that kind of a racist they want to paint him. No, he did some terribly racist things. Like, you know, his crusade against the Central Park Five.

• 1:31:24Speaker 02

  That was wrong.

• 1:31:24Bill Maher?

  That was wrong. And also, the Central Park Five were not innocent of other crimes. Just not that one. Okay, so I'm glad you admit that was wrong.

• 1:31:33Speaker 02

  That was wrong.

• 1:31:33Bill Maher?

  Okay. But do I think he hates black people? I do not. I think he wants to be a hero to everybody. And I think, like with anybody, again, back to his quirk. Anyone who flatters him, black, white, or green, is persona data. And anybody who doesn't.

• 1:31:48Speaker 02

  But you're getting off my point.

• 1:31:49Bill Maher?

  What was the point?

• 1:31:50Speaker 02

  Biden. When Biden knew, no, when Biden and the whole, no, listen. When Biden and the entire Democrats in control.

• 1:31:58Bill Maher?

  You're giving him too much credit.

• 1:32:00Speaker 02

  And everyone in control knew that this was happening. Why didn't they immediately shut the border? Say, we got terrorists within our country.

• 1:32:06Bill Maher?

  Because I explained.

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  We have to stop.

• 1:32:07Bill Maher?

  Okay.

• 1:32:08Speaker 02

  Our own FBI director is telling us that.

• 1:32:10Bill Maher?

  I explained to you why already. I'm glad I'm not married to you. Because it must be hell.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  I live.

• 1:32:15Bill Maher?

  Because you don't.

• 1:32:16Speaker 02

  Less than forty years.

• 1:32:16Bill Maher?

  You just, I know, but you don't.

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  Oh, I was the boss.

• 1:32:19Bill Maher?

  After you get the explanation, you still keep going. You, which is fine, but yeah. I've never been married.

• 1:32:26Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:32:27Bill Maher?

  Isn't that amazing?

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:28Bill Maher?

  Sixty-nine. We're almost the same age.

• 1:32:31Speaker 02

  You don't look sixty-nine.

• 1:32:31Bill Maher?

  I, look, if I look like you in five years, I will fucking take it. But, um, yeah, you know what? I never would have thought.

• 1:32:43Bill Maher?

  When I was younger and when I heard about this age, that it was gonna be like this. I would thought it would be way worse. Really.

• 1:32:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know what you mean.

• 1:32:51Bill Maher?

  They kind of presented it as like you're one foot in the grave, decrepit, and you can't do anything anymore. It's like, I am, I'm not that different than I, I'm waiting for the, for the other shoe to drop. But at the moment, I'm not, it's, nothing is that different.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  I'm glad you said that, because I don't feel much differently than I felt twenty, thirty years ago.

• 1:33:10Bill Maher?

  Yeah. No, I was expecting a much older man and a more reasonable one.

• 1:33:16Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  You know what? I think. Listen, you you might think I have this block in my head with Trump. I don't. I the way I look at it this way, Bill. I have a wife, I have children. I'm seventy four years old. I probably lived longer than I thought I was gonna live when things were tight for me.

• 1:33:36Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  But I'm worried about their future. I want this country to be the country that, believe it or not, I grew up in.

• 1:33:43Bill Maher?

  Right.

• 1:33:44Speaker 02

  It was great. I I love America for that. I want them to have the same. And in the past four years, it scared me. I said, what the heck is going on here? It really scared me. I said, what are my kids and my grandkids? I have seven grandkids. What are they gonna? What kind of world are they gonna live in? What kind of country are they gonna live in? And it really worried me. And that's why I like Trump, because I think he's trying to straighten America out.

• 1:34:07Bill Maher?

  There are things that, I mean, I said it on my, it's so funny, to the point about like, they only report the part they wanna report. Last week, I said something very complimentary about Trump, probably maybe the only thing in the whole show. Uh, and of course, I forget what outlet was it. That's the one thing they picked out because they hate me, so they wanna show them. Bill Maher was like kissing Trump's ass. What I said was, and I'll say it again, and I'm perfectly happy to say it a million times. When they asked him about the plane crash over the Potomac, and some reporter said, are you gonna visit the crash site?

• 1:34:47Bill Maher?

  Now, any other politician would go, oh, well, of course, it's our prayers and thoughts. And he went, the crash site? It's the water. What, he wanted to swim to it?

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  I remember that.

• 1:34:57Bill Maher?

  And it was like, that's when I liked Donald Trump. And that's why people like him, because he said what was real.

• 1:35:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:04Bill Maher?

  He has the ability to do that. You know, he's done other badass things. That thing where he was with the Taliban dude? And he has the guy bring in the aerial photograph of the guy's house, and he goes, that's your house. If one American is hurt in this withdrawal, we know where it is.

• 1:35:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:22Bill Maher?

  You know, I love America. I do too.

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:35:26Bill Maher?

  Uh, always have. And I and I'm a history major, and I've read the news since I was a teenager. I know, not from traveling as well as other people perhaps, but I know what the rest of the world is like. And I'm old enough to have studied the history of it, going back to the sixties. I have a good perspective on this country versus every other country. These, so many of the young people today, they have no interest in even finding out. They have this idea in their head that they live in a terrible place. That's worse than every other where they could just get out, that would be the thing, just get me the fuck out of here. Good fucking luck, even with all our problems. No, I will always be with the, you know, I like America.

• 1:36:09Bill Maher?

  It's got its, it's got its issues for sure, but we don't need a revolution, we need to fucking fix it.

• 1:36:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:36:16Bill Maher?

  Fixing is different. Now, would I go about all the fixing ways he's doing it? Invading Greenland, etc. No, but I'm willing to see where it goes.

• 1:36:30Bill Maher?

  I will never be willing to concede that he should be there in the first place because you really shouldn't be a guy who doesn't believe in elections, results. That, that's a no brainer and a, and a, and one, one thing that I can't give on. But he's there, I live in the present. You know, it's funny, Michael, these people, they come up to me all the time. You know, when I'm out and it's like, oh my God, Bill, what are we gonna do? You know, and I'm always like, get a fucking grip, look around you. You're in a fucking restaurant, you're eating a fucking $800 dinner. Shut the fuck up. When your life actually goes in the toilet, then tell me. But don't confront me with this cognitive dissonance between, oh my God, what are we gonna do?

• 1:37:14Bill Maher?

  And your cushy fucking life. There are some people who are gonna be hurt like perhaps by what Trump is doing, the people who can't afford eggs now. I didn't see him solve that problem.

• 1:37:26Speaker 02

  Well, you know, you know what you proved? You, you just said the media's not supporting you, whatever, but 31 years, you didn't need them.

• 1:37:33Bill Maher?

  Didn't need them.

• 1:37:35Speaker 02

  And now more than.

• 1:37:35Bill Maher?

  You don't need them now. More than ever now.

• 1:37:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:38Bill Maher?

  It's interesting, they let the podcasters into the press room now.

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  I know, I applied.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  I don't wanna fucking have.

• 1:37:47Bill Maher?

  Oh, I think you will after this.

• 1:37:51Bill Maher?

  I think you.

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  I would love to.

• 1:37:54Bill Maher?

  That would be like a milestone, you know what else was a milestone for me?

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  I can actually arrange that.

• 1:37:58Bill Maher?

  Could you please?

• 1:37:59Speaker 02

  Well, at least a conduit right to the top, please. I really mean, I would be very appreciative.

• 1:38:05Bill Maher?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:38:05Speaker 02

  Any favor that you have. It's not even my daughter's wedding and I'll do whatever you want if you can get me in. You know what else, you know, the other thing that was really satisfying to me, um, three days ago, I had Rudy Giuliani on my podcast.

• 1:38:24Bill Maher?

  How's he doing?

• 1:38:25Speaker 02

  Well, he was, he was great. He was a terrific sit down. It was just great. Yeah. For me, it's like came full circle. This is the guy that want to put me away for a hundred years. You know what he said to me? He says, Michael, I've been watching you for 30 years. He said, I really think what you're doing is, is real. He said, I, I, I respect you for getting out of that life and turning your life around. And that, it meant something to me coming from him because I knew we were badly on opposite sides.

• 1:38:52Bill Maher?

  For people who don't know, in the nineties, he was the prosecutor in New York and then he was the mayor.

• 1:38:58Speaker 02

  He was a great mayor. Come on. After nine 11, he did a great job. America's mayor. He was great. Yeah. He's a great leader.

• 1:39:04Bill Maher?

  That to me, that's the formula. A Republican moderate, which he was then, uh, in a blue place. When you find that like Republican governors in blue states, Larry Hogan and, uh, Maryland or others. It, it just works because they can't get too far right.

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:39:27Bill Maher?

  Because it's a blue state, but they're not full of bullshit, woke nonsense. So their popularity is always like, you know, 80%.

• 1:39:36Speaker 02

  So can we do that here?

• 1:39:38Bill Maher?

  I, I was gonna say, can we just fucking get that formula here?

• 1:39:43Speaker 02

  Well, in California.

• 1:39:44Bill Maher?

  Oh, in California.

• 1:39:45Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:39:46Bill Maher?

  That could happen here in Cali. That's exactly what California needs.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:39:49Bill Maher?

  And I say that, and I like Gavin Newsom a lot. Don't even start the argument. But no, I, I was hoping at some point he would moderate to the center. It doesn't look like it's happening. So I can like somebody personally, but.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  Digging his heels in.

• 1:40:05Bill Maher?

  Yeah, as all the Democrats are.

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  Looking for 50 million to fight Trump while the city is burning.

• 1:40:10Bill Maher?

  Well, we have done this podcast on land that rightfully belongs to the Chumash tribe.

• 1:40:18Speaker 02

  I'm not giving it back.

• 1:40:18Bill Maher?

  And I would like to apologize for us just being here before we go off the air.

• 1:40:24Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:40:24Bill Maher?

  Do you have anything you want to plug before I?

• 1:40:27Speaker 02

  No, I mean, we had a great glass of wine.

• 1:40:29Bill Maher?

  Again, and your mafia democracy. Where do we find your podcast?

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  Anywhere.

• 1:40:33Bill Maher?

  Your very popular podcast.

• 1:40:35Speaker 02

  My podcast is on YouTube and Rumble and everywhere else like you.

• 1:40:39Bill Maher?

  And the book Mafia Democracy.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  Promise me you'll read that book, at least breeze through it. I want you to read because it makes a lot of sense.

• 1:40:45Bill Maher?

  I will.

• 1:40:46Speaker 02

  I don't want to get into all now because I get carried away.

• 1:40:49Bill Maher?

  End movies.

• 1:40:49Speaker 02

  And it's, trust me, and then say, you know what, you're full of shit, or I agree with you.

• 1:40:54Bill Maher?

  No, no, no.

• 1:40:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think.

• 1:40:55Bill Maher?

  Well, I already know what I think about you that's a full of shit and what I agree with you. And it's a healthy dose of, that's what makes friends, you know?

• 1:41:03Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:41:07Bill Maher?

  I thought when your time came, Michael, Senator Collier. You got that down. You sound just like him. No, no, apologize. That's my life. And I refuse to dance on the end of strings held by big shots.

• 1:41:25Bill Maher?

  And I want all the calls checked out. You don't know who it is.

• 1:41:30Bill Maher?

  You got it down. What's the other one? You got it down. I gotta tell you. You're gonna do the other line, but okay. I did it, Pop. I checked it.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  You're great, Bill.

• 1:41:37Bill Maher?

  Thank you.

• 1:41:43Bill Maher?

  That is amazing.

• 1:41:44Speaker 02

  That's for you.

• 1:41:45Bill Maher?

  That is awesome. Oh, there's Chaz.

• 1:41:47Speaker 02

  There's Chaz.

• 1:41:48Bill Maher?

  Merlin, Paul Sorbino, oh, Phil. That's the guy who I jerked off into a tissue.

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  That's the guy.

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