NYC SESSIONS: Elon’s Flying Cars and Sneaking Into Titanic ft. Devin Delliquanti

Is it possible Thanos was actually the good guy? Trevor, Eugene, and Devin sit down for a hilarious and unpredictable conversation that tackles everything from the physics of Elon Musk’s flying cars to the true meaning of the Avengers franchise. Trevor pitches his most controversial idea yet: legally mandating robust storylines in all adult films to save humanity's attention spans. The crew also unpacks the hidden dopamine cycle of theme parks, exploring why buying a fast pass to skip the line actually destroys the psychological thrill of the roller coaster and how that demand for instant gratification is changing the way kids experience video games. Plus, Devin shares the unbelievable true story of his parents surviving a fiery 1982 plane crash, sparking a massive debate on why society easily swears off airplanes and motorcycles, but will never stop driving cars.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Speaker 00

  But I don't think that makes Thanos the good guy. I think that could be like the Avengers are bad or morally complicated or whatever.

• 0:09Trevor Noah?

  So why isn't he morally complicated? Why is he the bad guy?

• 0:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:12Speaker 00

  Well, because he killed, I mean, quote Dr. Banner, killed trillions.

• 0:17Trevor Noah?

  He didn't kill.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  He didn't kill anyone.

• 0:18Trevor Noah?

  He disappeared.

• 0:19Speaker 00

  No, killed, come on.

• 0:19Speaker 02

  They're not there anymore.

• 0:20Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 0:21Trevor Noah?

  They're just not there.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  They're not there anymore.

• 0:22Trevor Noah?

  They're not there.

• 0:23Speaker 00

  He killed them. What does that mean?

• 0:24Speaker 02

  They're not there anymore.

• 0:25Speaker 00

  What does that mean?

• 0:26Speaker 02

  He didn't mask them. He didn't have a private jet. He didn't have a fighter jet.

• 0:29Speaker 00

  But the effect is the same.

• 0:30Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no. That's like saying condoms are responsible for mass murder.

• 0:35Speaker 02

  The effect is the same. My friend is back.

• 0:39Speaker 02

  The effect is the same. Ah, there we go.

• 0:41Speaker 00

  I feel like you've used that line before.

• 0:43Speaker 02

  No.

• 0:44Speaker 00

  Oh, what, I'm gonna be a mass murderer?

• 0:46Speaker 02

  He was like, he was like, quick in his eyes. That was pure inspiration.

• 0:50Speaker 00

  I've never seen Titanic bully.

• 0:52Trevor Noah?

  Oh, you haven't either?

• 0:52Speaker 00

  I have not seen it.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  What was your excuse?

• 0:54Speaker 00

  My parents were in a plane crash. I had to be on ships. I couldn't be thinking about Titanic, right? I couldn't be like, like, I was like, no. I'll watch Alive or Flight with Denzel or Sully or whatever. But Titanic, I was like, no, I can't have that.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  This is all I've got left.

• 1:12Trevor Noah?

  Countless times in the world of tech, I've seen a thing demonstrated on a big stage. And I've gone, this is the future. This is amazing. And then it's like, I'll see that car doing the flip thing. And then when it actually gets delivered to us on the showroom floor, it just like parts. But it doesn't leave the crown.

• 1:32Speaker 00

  You just go to try it when you buy the car, you just plow into all the other cars? I don't know. Sorry.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Don't be shocked, Baba. Don't be shocked.

• 1:43Trevor Noah?

  Why do we, guys, why do we use anniversary for sad as well? I think that's weird.

• 1:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47Trevor Noah?

  I think we need another word.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 1:49Trevor Noah?

  Guys, you can't use anniversary for good and bad. I know that you can in English, but I don't like, because sometimes I'll hear people be like, oh, it's the anniversary. And I'm like, of the, like, of Pearl Harbor. Like, you can't.

• 2:01Speaker 00

  Sad-iversary.

• 2:02Trevor Noah?

  Sad-iversary is good. I hear what you guys are saying. And if I, if I hear you correctly, what I'm hearing you say is hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater.

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• 4:40Trevor Noah?

  I always think of doing things when you meet a new person in a group as well. You can do that just for fun.

• 4:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, just like throw them off.

• 4:47Trevor Noah?

  So let's say you invite somebody over to your house.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:50Trevor Noah?

  They've never been there, but they know you, but they don't know your home. And then you and your family can act like you have a tradition that you don't have. So you can just be like, you can just be like, "Before we eat the food, let us say why we are thankful that it exists." And then the next person can just be like, "I like that I can eat." And then the other person can be like, "I like that it makes me healthy." And the other person can jump in and be like, "It's good for my bones."

• 5:21Speaker 02

  Then like you, next.

• 5:22Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, and then you give it to them. And then they'll be like, "I'm grateful to be."

• 5:28Speaker 00

  Just make it up?

• 5:30Trevor Noah?

  Most people.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  Won't go, nah, bruh.

• 5:33Trevor Noah?

  I would.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  You would?

• 5:34Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  Just to see what happens next.

• 5:37Trevor Noah?

  You probably would.

• 5:37Speaker 00

  What is this?

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd be like, ah, guys, come on, we be for real. Then someone says, yeah.

• 5:42Trevor Noah?

  You don't think you'd join in? You would join in.

• 5:44Speaker 00

  I would probably join in. I would try to figure something out.

• 5:46Trevor Noah?

  You're a nice guy.

• 5:47Speaker 00

  I was at Thanksgiving, because we alternate Thanksgivings with my, like, my family, my wife's family or whatever. And one year, they just did the Pledge of Allegiance before Thanksgiving, which is not a thing you do on Thanksgiving. But it's like one of the kids that just like learned in school. So it's like, I guess we're doing the pledge. So I'm there, I'm like, do I have to put my hat on my heart?

• 6:04Trevor Noah?

  And you did it.

• 6:05Speaker 00

  I don't know what the rules are. I don't even know. I was like at a baseball, I'm like, do I have to? Like, I don't know what the rules are.

• 6:11Speaker 02

  You take off your hat to make it thing.

• 6:13Speaker 00

  I couldn't wear, I was, I wasn't wearing a hat because Thanksgiving dinner. But I was just like, okay, I guess I pledge allegiance to the flag.

• 6:19Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 6:20Speaker 00

  But you're like, you have, like, I can't sit during the pledge at Thanksgiving dinner. It's like the most, like, this is like the social moment of family. I'm like, I gotta pledge right now. I, my, the flag has my allegiance before the turkey dinner. Yeah. So you have to roll with it.

• 6:40Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, the Pledge of Allegiance is crazy every time I like see it.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  But does the flag have to be around for the Pledge of Allegiance to happen?

• 6:46Speaker 00

  You have to find, I would imagine you have to find one.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  You have to be staring at the flag, do you? Yeah, because.

• 6:52Speaker 00

  I've never pledged allegiance with no flag around. Every time I've done it, there's like a.

• 6:56Trevor Noah?

  It has to be a flag. You have to face a flag.

• 6:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 6:58Trevor Noah?

  And pledge your allegiance to that flag. Huh. But then why, then it becomes, why do you then need to say to the flag of the United States of America?

• 7:08Trevor Noah?

  Isn't that, that's an unnecessary now redundancy? Like, because if you're looking at the flag, then you don't need that line.

• 7:14Speaker 00

  That, I mean, that's true.

• 7:15Trevor Noah?

  I pledge allegiance. I, I only think I know that line, right?

• 7:18Speaker 00

  I don't think it's about subtext.

• 7:21Speaker 00

  They're like, can we pledge allegiance subtly to the flag? This is a little on the nose, you know?

• 7:26Speaker 02

  I pledge my heart.

• 7:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:29Trevor Noah?

  No, what I mean is like, if the flag's there, you just go like, I pledge allegiance to the flag. And then you can just carry on. Or if the flag's not there, then you'd go, I pledge allegiance to the flag.

• 7:38Speaker 00

  They don't want you in your mind thinking of a different flag. You're like, it was like, I was thinking of the pirate, the pirate flag.

• 7:46Speaker 02

  I was thinking of the pirate flag. Where are you thinking of the pirate flag at?

• 7:51Speaker 00

  No. Were you pledging allegiance to Jack Sparrow?

• 7:54Speaker 02

  This guy was thinking of the pirate flag.

• 7:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, like explicitly the flag.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  And then someone goes, do you say pride or pirate?

• 8:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:04Speaker 02

  He's thinking of another flag. I swear I wasn't.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  Put the words in, put the words in.

• 8:10Speaker 00

  No loopholes.

• 8:13Trevor Noah?

  Oh, man. You know, we, I sometimes think that we assign too much like gravitas to everything from history. But a lot of the things that we treat with like, like, like severe reverence.

• 8:25Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 8:26Trevor Noah?

  They probably came from like benign, random occurrences like this.

• 8:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:31Trevor Noah?

  So we go, ah, the pledge of allegiance was probably this part, you know what I mean?

• 8:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:34Trevor Noah?

  But you find there was literally this type of thing. Someone was like, which flag were you thinking of? And the guy was like, I swear, I was thinking of, he's like, no. You didn't, he didn't, guys, I swear he was thinking of another flag. And then they're like, you have to say the flag. We have to write there.

• 8:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, put the flag.

• 8:49Trevor Noah?

  The flag of the United States of America.

• 8:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I didn't say which flag. I could, I saw it in your eyes.

• 8:53Trevor Noah?

  I saw it.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  But America takes the flag very seriously.

• 8:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, very seriously.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  For me, it's when the flag flies half-mast, then if you see it, then you have to be sad.

• 9:02Trevor Noah?

  Do you have to be?

• 9:02Speaker 02

  You have to be.

• 9:03Trevor Noah?

  Why?

• 9:04Speaker 02

  Because it means something tragic has happened.

• 9:06Trevor Noah?

  Is that always what it means?

• 9:07Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 9:08Trevor Noah?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  The flag never flies half-mast.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  Or for an anniversary of, yeah.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Of what?

• 9:12Speaker 00

  Pearl Harbor Day, 9/11, something sad. Yes, but.

• 9:16Trevor Noah?

  Why do we, guys, why do we use anniversary for sad as well? I think that's weird.

• 9:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:20Trevor Noah?

  I think we need another word.

• 9:21Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 9:22Trevor Noah?

  Guys, you can't use anniversary for good and bad. I know that you can in English, but I don't like, because sometimes I'll hear people be like, oh, it's the anniversary. And I'm like, of the, like, of Pearl Harbor. Like, you can't.

• 9:34Speaker 00

  Sad-iversary.

• 9:35Trevor Noah?

  Sad-iversary is good.

• 9:36Speaker 00

  You need a different word.

• 9:37Trevor Noah?

  I like sad-iversary. I'll take that. I just think it's weird that you have anniversary for good and bad.

• 9:43Trevor Noah?

  It should, there should be something else.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  Anniversary.

• 9:46Trevor Noah?

  Yes, it, because anniversary in my head.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  Sounds like a.

• 9:49Trevor Noah?

  The connotation is good.

• 9:51Speaker 02

  Of recommitment.

• 9:51Trevor Noah?

  Oh, we're celebrating our twenty fifth anniversary. Then, because then I'll sometimes say to people, of what? And they'll go, of our marriage. I'm like, oh, I didn't know. Maybe a family member died. Maybe, then they're like, wow, how could that be an anniversary? I'm like, guys, I don't know. Because in America.

• 10:06Speaker 00

  Congratulations of nine eleven.

• 10:07Trevor Noah?

  That's, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 10:11Speaker 00

  You're going into.

• 10:13Trevor Noah?

  Nobody.

• 10:14Speaker 00

  I didn't know the context.

• 10:15Trevor Noah?

  This has happened to me a lot of the time. Americans have said to me, oh, yeah, they go, hey, tomorrow. Um, like, you know, I'll be touring. Then they go, like, tomorrow, the streets are going to be closed. Uh, because it's the tenth anniversary. Then I'm like, oh, cool, of what? Then they go of the massacre of the whatever. Then I'm like, ah, bra.

• 10:32Speaker 02

  You could have led with that.

• 10:33Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but you just said the anniversary.

• 10:35Speaker 02

  Okay, so anniversary.

• 10:36Trevor Noah?

  It's the ten year anniversary of, you see, there's too much unknown emotion before I get to what it is. But if you said sad anniversary.

• 10:45Speaker 00

  Sad anniversary.

• 10:46Trevor Noah?

  I'm in. And since I learned that Shakespeare made up words, I think we should just push this. And we should say it with confidence. You're a father, you're a father.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:54Trevor Noah?

  You know, you could just start this with your children. You tell them, no, no, no, anniversary is happy things. Sad anniversary is sad things. Tell the other kids.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  You know, when the kids go to school and they need that one mark to pass.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  And then they're like, my dad says.

• 11:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, what is sad anniversary?

• 11:11Speaker 02

  That one mark.

• 11:12Speaker 00

  I wrote that it was the sad anniversary of Pearl Harbor and I got points off.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  That one point that determined their future.

• 11:20Trevor Noah?

  You know, I'm picturing, I'm picturing a guy who's like homeless. Life has been tougher and then someone's interviewing. So how did you get here? He's like, it all started when I just needed one mark to pass in school. I studied hard and I knew the answer. I wrote the sad anniversary. I was unemployable after that.

• 11:42Speaker 02

  No one took me seriously.

• 11:43Trevor Noah?

  No one took me, no one treated me the same after that. But I think it should be. I think it would be better if it's sad anniversary. We should start that. The sad anniversary and the anniversary, you see, now we're in.

• 11:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Wait, for the pledge of allegiance, where you say like they added the different things, that's what happened with under God. Because under God was added during the Cold War. They had the pledge of allegiance.

• 12:02Trevor Noah?

  Were you being serious?

• 12:03Speaker 00

  I'm serious. So they added under God because it was like the communists didn't believe in God. They were not religious. So they put in like one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice. It was put in and you can tell every time you hear people say it, because the under God feels like it was like put in there.

• 12:19Trevor Noah?

  It feels like an ad.

• 12:20Speaker 00

  One nation, under God, indivisible, as opposed to like one nation indivisible with liberty and justice.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  We have that part in our national anthem, which one is it?

• 12:30Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 12:31Speaker 02

  South Africa.

• 12:33Trevor Noah?

  You can tell, we couldn't bridge the anthems because we, we, when we were making the, when we had, when we achieved democracy.

• 12:41Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 12:42Trevor Noah?

  They're like, what's the national anthem going to be?

• 12:44Speaker 00

  We need, we need a song.

• 12:45Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, people were like.

• 12:46Speaker 00

  We need a bop.

• 12:47Trevor Noah?

  People were like, get rid of the old one because it's racist or it comes with a racist nation and connotation. And then Mandela was like, no, no, no, no, no, we can't get rid of the whole old national anthem because then it makes Afrikaans people feel like they're not part of this country when they are. And this is, so we're trying to meld these worlds together. So they're like, we need a combined anthem. So we're going to take a little bit of old anthem, some new anthem and put in some other, so make a mega.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Translation here and there.

• 13:11Speaker 00

  Timberland on the phone.

• 13:14Trevor Noah?

  Basically, and it was great.

• 13:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:17Trevor Noah?

  But you can tell that the anthem moves really nicely.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:20Trevor Noah?

  But then there's a part where they try and mix the African part of the anthem with the Anglo and Boer part of it, like the white part with the African part.

• 13:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:29Trevor Noah?

  You can tell they were in the studio for days with that part. Because, okay, like, just here's the tune. The South African, the, the, the African part of the anthem has like a, like a melody. It's very specific. So, na, de, de, I'm not even going to say the words, so you just understand.

• 13:54Trevor Noah?

  You see, there's a rhythm.

• 13:56Trevor Noah?

  It doesn't matter the language.

• 14:00Trevor Noah?

  You see, very Africans got a vibe, right? Now, the white side of the anthem was this.

• 14:18Trevor Noah?

  That's the end.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  That's exactly it.

• 14:20Trevor Noah?

  So now.

• 14:21Speaker 00

  How do you bridge the two?

• 14:22Trevor Noah?

  How do you bridge?

• 14:23Speaker 00

  How do you, yeah, if you were a DJ and you had the both spinning, how do you, yeah.

• 14:27Trevor Noah?

  This, if you were a DJ and you were spinning, you would do what South Africa did. You'd try first to mix them. You'd be there with your headphones and you'd be there listening and you'd be there and be like.

• 14:44Speaker 00

  You need the backup vocal to fade in, yeah.

• 14:46Trevor Noah?

  This is, then you turn down the bass on one.

• 14:51Trevor Noah?

  You're like, this is not working.

• 14:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 14:52Trevor Noah?

  And then you'd literally do what South Africa did. We get to the end. South Africa.

• 15:02Trevor Noah?

  That's literally what it does.

• 15:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 15:04Trevor Noah?

  I'll play, I'll play.

• 15:05Speaker 00

  Play it for me.

• 15:06Trevor Noah?

  This is how not exaggerate. Right now, you're thinking I'm doing this for comedic effect.

• 15:10Speaker 00

  I'm thinking of ways to solve it by like.

• 15:11Trevor Noah?

  They did.

• 15:12Speaker 00

  Guitar solo in the middle and then to bridge between the two. Bring out like Slash or somebody and just like, ah, it's great. And then all of a sudden it's into the other part. Like, okay.

• 15:26Trevor Noah?

  Okay, so.

• 15:31Trevor Noah?

  No, man, this was got like acoustic.

• 15:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, we don't need.

• 15:34Trevor Noah?

  This is like someone just trying to do like a, no, man, just do the thing, the song properly.

• 15:42Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  It's a white person singing.

• 15:43Trevor Noah?

  It is a white person. You can hear.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  It's not the one, it's not the one.

• 15:47Trevor Noah?

  It's not the one. Sorry, we're going to find it. I'm not going to give you the like, the, you've got to do like the real one. The real one.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  That we wished it in.

• 15:57Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, this is the one they play at like stadiums. Yeah, listen, hold on, hold on.

• 16:15Trevor Noah?

  You see.

• 16:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:18Trevor Noah?

  You can tell there, under God.

• 16:22Speaker 00

  But how great would it be if you, your country gets freedom and you start the new national anthem and it just goes, remake?

• 16:27Trevor Noah?

  That's essentially what we said. That's exactly what we did.

• 16:30Speaker 00

  Great.

• 16:30Trevor Noah?

  That's fully it.

• 16:31Speaker 00

  You know, like, oh, the country has a new.

• 16:33Trevor Noah?

  I didn't know America did that as well, though.

• 16:35Speaker 00

  Just in the pledge.

• 16:36Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, one nation, under God.

• 16:38Speaker 02

  I always thought it was, it was always there.

• 16:40Speaker 00

  No, I think that was, I think.

• 16:42Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no.

• 16:43Speaker 00

  I'm pretty sure, yeah.

• 16:44Trevor Noah?

  I mean, we could check or we could just, we could make it a sad anniversary thing and just, we just pass it on.

• 16:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is the sad anniversary of under God being added.

• 16:52Trevor Noah?

  No, man, we just pass it, we just pass it on through and through. How are you doing? How's your week?

• 16:55Speaker 00

  Good.

• 16:56Trevor Noah?

  Just chilling week off?

• 16:57Speaker 00

  Chilling week, uh, working dark, so.

• 16:59Trevor Noah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:00Speaker 00

  Doing writing and getting ahead, working on stuff, reading through, watching the news.

• 17:04Trevor Noah?

  Okay, what did you think? Did you see the, the Tesla car?

• 17:08Speaker 00

  I knew you were going to ask me about this. I saw it. What do I think? It, this is the kind of thing where I'm like, I'm reading a book right now about the, the like USAID and the Institute of Peace. So I'm like, I have that Elon in my head of like, oh, he sent these like children to go into this building and like dismantle it. And then I'm like, and then he just puts like like things under a car to make it fly. I'm like, this is what you should be doing. This is your calling to do things like this. You are not like the bureaucrat, like nuts and bolts guy of like, I'm going to do.

• 17:39Trevor Noah?

  Leave AIDS alone.

• 17:41Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 17:41Trevor Noah?

  Leave Africa alone, just focus on flipping cars.

• 17:44Speaker 00

  Flipping car, that's exactly the thing where I'm like, oh, all right. Because, yeah, I mean, it's, it's a fun video to watch no matter how you feel.

• 17:52Trevor Noah?

  If you, yeah, I agree, okay.

• 17:53Speaker 00

  It's a fun video to watch.

• 17:54Trevor Noah?

  You see, I like that. Yeah, this is why I like you.

• 17:56Speaker 00

  This is a fun video to watch because I'm always skeptical. I always come in and I talk about this with Kabuka is like, I, what's your angle? Because when people are known to like lie about stuff or exaggerate, I'm like, I'm always a little skeptical. But I watch it, I'm like, this is, this is fun to watch this video.

• 18:15Trevor Noah?

  People forget this, people forget this. Apple did a whole presentation showing us a phone that had intelligence on it, if you remember.

• 18:25Speaker 00

  I remember.

• 18:25Trevor Noah?

  I love tech. And they went through this whole demonstration, showing us what Siri AI was going to do. And then for like two years, none of that happened. But they showed it at a demonstration. They showed you and they were like, oh, and they were like, it can go through your messages and it can do this and it can schedule. It never came. They had to pay, they had to pay a class action lawsuit because it never came. People bought the phone, they'd sold the phone, they advertised the phone, it never had that. I'm not even singling them out. That's the one I can just remember. Countless times in the world of tech, I've seen a thing demonstrated on a big stage and I've gone, this is the future. This is amazing. And then it's like, I'll see that car doing the flip thing.

• 19:10Trevor Noah?

  And then when it actually gets delivered to us on the showroom floor, it just like farts. But it doesn't leave the crowd.

• 19:17Speaker 00

  You just go to try it when you buy the car, you just plow into all the other cars. I don't know, sorry.

• 19:25Trevor Noah?

  Don't be shocked, Baba. Don't be shocked.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  But I think, um.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  If you watched, have you watched, did you watch the entire launch?

• 19:33Speaker 00

  No, I just saw the, I saw the video of the car doing the loop and then I saw it do the spin. But that's it. I didn't see the whole keynote or whatever.

• 19:41Speaker 02

  The part where he invites two other guys on stage.

• 19:43Speaker 00

  No.

• 19:43Speaker 02

  And then they talk about how fast the car is.

• 19:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:46Speaker 02

  And then they say the car can reach zero to a hundred miles.

• 19:49Speaker 00

  No, zero to sixty.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Zero to sixty in?

• 19:51Speaker 00

  What, one second?

• 19:53Trevor Noah?

  Less than one second.

• 19:54Speaker 02

  Less than one second.

• 19:54Speaker 00

  Less than one second.

• 19:55Trevor Noah?

  Zero point eight five, I think.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:57Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  So already it's telling you that this thing is not, if you think that's gonna work in public roads, that other thing as well is not gonna happen.

• 20:04Trevor Noah?

  Wait, wait, wait, wait, what do you mean though? But there's no, there's no law about how fast you can accelerate, is there?

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Yes, but.

• 20:09Trevor Noah?

  I don't think there's an acceleration limit, there's a speed limit, but not acceleration limits.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that thing will be a rocket ship.

• 20:14Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  It'll have to be jet propelled.

• 20:17Trevor Noah?

  It's not, it's a, it's, so they're saying it's oxygen propelled.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  It coming out of what?

• 20:22Trevor Noah?

  Out of like, yeah, pipes.

• 20:25Speaker 02

  And then what? And then also when a jet, when a jet goes up, what, what are those things at the bottom?

• 20:29Trevor Noah?

  Thrusters, what are they called?

• 20:31Speaker 02

  Now, yeah, thruster, you're going that way.

• 20:32Trevor Noah?

  Yes, it's thrusting.

• 20:33Speaker 02

  So, so that thing with those four gigantic thrusters at the back will never work on a public road because it can't go that far. No car will be able to get out the way quick enough and the driver won't be able to react fast enough.

• 20:47Speaker 00

  You can never be parked somewhere that has a sixty mile an hour speed limit either. Like, there's no place that you're parked.

• 20:53Trevor Noah?

  Guys, guys, guys, guys.

• 20:54Speaker 02

  Sixty.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  Immediately, yeah.

• 20:56Trevor Noah?

  Guys.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  And that sixty, I like it.

• 20:58Trevor Noah?

  Okay, now this is where, this is where I'm going to come to Elon's defense.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 21:05Speaker 00

  He sings the other part of the anthem.

• 21:09Speaker 02

  Always remember that.

• 21:11Speaker 00

  Merge the two.

• 21:16Speaker 00

  But come to his defense, please.

• 21:18Trevor Noah?

  So.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  Good.

• 21:20Trevor Noah?

  Cars have been increasingly getting faster and faster in terms of their launch. We've known this for years. We've loved like the fast launch of cars, right? So it was five seconds, four seconds, three seconds. Yeah, and then electric cars have been doing it in that like two and a halfish range for a while. Those cars are doing it on the road. You can go and launch those cars on the road. What's, your favorite Porsche does it in like, what, sub two?

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:45Trevor Noah?

  And not sub two, sub three.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Sub three, Porsche GT three, yeah.

• 21:48Trevor Noah?

  There you go.

• 21:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:49Trevor Noah?

  So, but that is sub three on the road.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  Sub one.

• 21:51Trevor Noah?

  I understand what you're saying. You're saying it's an exponential jump. I'm just saying.

• 21:55Speaker 02

  Very exponential jump.

• 21:55Trevor Noah?

  When a person is launching their car at a drag strip or from a traffic light, there, there's no, who cares like how quickly.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  You know what?

• 22:04Speaker 00

  But how late are you?

• 22:06Speaker 02

  No, it's not a fast.

• 22:10Trevor Noah?

  This is why you can't get nice things. You, you don't deserve nice things.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, but what, what, basically what we're saying is.

• 22:17Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 22:17Speaker 02

  If a car goes from zero to sixty in three point five seconds or ten seconds.

• 22:21Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 22:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:22Speaker 02

  And then from then onwards, it jumps from zero to sixty in eight point six seconds.

• 22:26Trevor Noah?

  Wait, what do you mean, zero sixty?

• 22:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, in zero point eight seconds.

• 22:29Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, and then?

• 22:30Speaker 02

  Then it's, it's similar to having a Glock nineteen.

• 22:34Trevor Noah?

  It's a gun.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:35Trevor Noah?

  Cool.

• 22:35Speaker 02

  That shoots fourteen rounds.

• 22:38Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  Right?

• 22:39Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 22:40Speaker 02

  And it's a semi-automatic pistol.

• 22:41Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  And then you put the clock switch. Have you seen what, and they make it into a machine gun?

• 22:45Trevor Noah?

  So the guns that go like. When you pull the trigger, yeah. So it's no longer pop, pop, pop, pop.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  Exactly. So your reaction time.

• 22:52Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 22:53Speaker 02

  Your accuracy.

• 22:54Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  Is totally affected by the speed at which a bullet can be fired.

• 22:58Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 22:59Speaker 02

  So do you see what I'm saying? So I'm saying, what we're saying is if a car can go that fast.

• 23:03Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 23:03Speaker 02

  You are not in control of it anymore. If a gun fires that quickly, you are not in control of it anymore.

• 23:10Trevor Noah?

  Uh, look, I hear what you guys are saying and if I, if I hear you correctly, what I'm hearing you say is hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater, hater. That's what I'm hearing. You guys are now bringing in the limitations of humankind.

• 23:25Trevor Noah?

  I'm just saying.

• 23:26Speaker 02

  Who is this guy?

• 23:27Trevor Noah?

  I'm just saying, as a guy.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:29Trevor Noah?

  Who enjoys.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Speed.

• 23:31Trevor Noah?

  Speed and like the, the, I've always enjoyed the pursuit of acceleration in a vehicle. It's, it's a fantastic idea to see how quickly we can do it. That element of it is cool. Whether it will or won't be road legal, I think that's actually very achievable. I think that's very achievable. The one for me that I think is like up in the air, excuse the pun, is the, the vacuum sucking up. I'm like, guys, have you seen what's on the road? Where, where's all that shit gonna go?

• 23:58Speaker 02

  The debris.

• 23:59Trevor Noah?

  You're driving around like a Dyson car.

• 24:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:02Trevor Noah?

  That's sucking up everything.

• 24:03Speaker 00

  So light too, when it's falling.

• 24:05Trevor Noah?

  No, that was impressive. That was, you gotta admit, that was impressive.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  But was, was there someone inside?

• 24:09Speaker 00

  I don't think there was.

• 24:10Trevor Noah?

  No, they actually had, um, one of the, remember those robots that were actually like the people in the Philippines? That's what was inside the car.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Those fake Tesla robots.

• 24:19Trevor Noah?

  They're not fake, the, the robot is real. The way it thinks is fake.

• 24:23Speaker 00

  It was a lady dressed as a robot. They were gonna do the demo.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Super skinny one.

• 24:27Speaker 00

  Oh, no. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 24:33Speaker 00

  You know what I thought when I saw it though is this would ruin hip hop videos where they do the hydraulics and the car is bouncing.

• 24:45Speaker 00

  He's gone out of the video. Or like Denzel in Training Day, it's like, you're in the office, baby.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 24:52Trevor Noah?

  No, I, I, I won't lie. I think it was, this is funny enough for me. That video.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  Talking.

• 24:59Trevor Noah?

  Was the perfect encapsulation of Elon Musk. It's what I've been trying to say for years and people don't understand is I go, I think he is a brilliant, um, like showman.

• 25:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:11Trevor Noah?

  He's.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  Marketer, like.

• 25:12Trevor Noah?

  He's brilliant at showing you his idea and what he hopes it will be. The thing that I'm always skeptical of, for him and anyone else in technology is I go, guys, you don't understand how many product demos we see.

• 25:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:26Trevor Noah?

  That people launch. Do you, do you know how many tech companies have launched a phone that can, that can, that can, a, a, a, a device in your house that can, that can, that can, that? And then when you're actually using it, you're like, oh, this is far from what they said it could do. Now with him, I think like Elon pushes the limits on what you can do when he's showing it to you.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 25:47Trevor Noah?

  But you, you just have to be blind or willfully ignorant to not see all the times when it doesn't happen.

• 25:54Speaker 00

  The hyperloop, although, we're gonna have, I, we didn't, we didn't know who he was when the hyperloop started.

• 25:59Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 25:59Speaker 00

  And it was like, oh, there's gonna be a nationwide network of these things that will get you like Los Angeles, San Francisco, build it across the country.

• 26:06Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 26:06Speaker 00

  It's like, no, nowhere.

• 26:07Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 26:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. So that, it's, you have to take it with that in mind.

• 26:11Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 26:12Speaker 00

  When you watch a thing like this.

• 26:13Trevor Noah?

  Yes, but I, but what I'm saying, I like.

• 26:14Speaker 00

  An ocean of salt.

• 26:16Trevor Noah?

  What I like about him is I, I do feel you need people like that, especially in the world of tech, to force tech.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Or to get things moving.

• 26:25Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, because I think the, the thing is if you can only do what is achievable or you only try and do what is achievable, then you're never innovating. So I think you need people who are trying to do the impossible. Okay, here's a, a, a simple example, Steve Jobs.

• 26:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:39Trevor Noah?

  When Apple was on the brink of bankruptcy, like they would, one of the periods, like they were having their worst period or I, I forget the time on this, don't ask me about years and stuff. But Apple was gonna do like a big presentation, one of their new Macs, the iMac or whatever those things were called, right? And Steve Jobs said to his team, this thing needs to speak.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 26:59Trevor Noah?

  It needs to speak at the launch. It needs to say hello. And they were like, it, we, we can't, we can't make it happen. He's like, yo, this thing needs to speak at the presentation. They were like, yo dude, we can't, we, the, the, the engineers were like, we just can't. And Steve Jobs was like, guys, I don't care what we do, you have to find a way for this thing to speak. And up until like the night before, apparently they couldn't get, and then something happened, he pushed, he pushed. And then they like sort of cheated it and they made it speak. And that becomes like the turning point of Apple's journey again. Right? Because the launch was so amazing. People were like, yo, did you see the computer and then it spoke? Oh my god, you, you, you with me?

• 27:39Trevor Noah?

  So now afterwards, he then sort of goes on to sort of get it to where it was going to be. But he needed to create that hype so that the company survives so that he gets to that place. So I think you need a balance of snake oil salesman pushing us to a future that isn't real so that we try get there and skepticals going like, no, there is no future to get to.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 28:07Trevor Noah?

  That's, that's, that's all I'm saying.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  Hmm, hmm, hmm.

• 28:09Trevor Noah?

  You find like, you find like Christopher Columbus and those kinds of guys were getting their money. But I'm gonna show you the world is, they're like, I know the world is not, they were probably like, I don't, the world's not round, I don't believe this shit. I just need money to do this new thing. I'm trying to go further. I can't get more money, but if I tell them I'm going around the world because it's round, they're gonna be like, whoa, that's interesting, they give me more money. And then when they were sitting there like, oh shit, the world is.

• 28:29Speaker 00

  My god, yeah.

• 28:30Trevor Noah?

  You know what I mean? I, I, I.

• 28:32Speaker 00

  That's the Mars thing, but you can't live there.

• 28:35Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 28:35Speaker 00

  It's like, I'm getting the money to go to Mars.

• 28:37Trevor Noah?

  Yes. So for me, I understand. I go, it's a cognitive dissonance that I'm willing to hold.

• 28:42Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 28:42Trevor Noah?

  I go, a lot of it won't be real, but we need you to push us, we need people to just, yeah.

• 28:48Speaker 00

  How many times did you watch it before that started coming in? Because for me, I was like the first, watched the video of it going up. Because the first time I saw it, I was just like.

• 28:56Speaker 02

  First time this one was sold.

• 28:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:58Trevor Noah?

  No, I, I, no, I watched.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  Very first time?

• 29:00Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no. I watched that video no less than twenty times.

• 29:04Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 29:05Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no less.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  Twenty?

• 29:07Trevor Noah?

  At least.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Where'd you find the time? Twenty times?

• 29:10Trevor Noah?

  It's a three minute video, if that.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Twenty?

• 29:14Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, easily. Because the first few times I watched it with you, when Siswe sent it to us.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 29:18Trevor Noah?

  Because I watched it because I was like, wait, is this real? Is it, is it like a, a Styrofoam vehicle? Is it, I'm trying to understand, I'm trying to understand, I'm trying to understand. Yeah, I'm trying to understand. And then I kept watching it, then I kept watching it, then I kept watching it, then I kept, then I watched the fuller launch, then I watched the full launch, then I was like, okay, watch. Then I watched the behind the scenes stuff, then I watched like the testing, then I watched the, the, so I watched everything around it to try and understand. Okay, wait, what is it that I'm actually seeing? And then I was like, oh, okay, these parts are not crazy. I mean, I remember seeing a British supercar that was launched years ago, I think like two thousand and nine or something, and they also did a demonstration, not as cool. But they took the car, they put it on like a platform and then they spun it upside down and the car like holds itself because it's also using like fans, a lot of people, it's a, it's a well-known technology, that part.

• 30:03Speaker 00

  But when is that useful driving?

• 30:05Trevor Noah?

  So for Gs, for cornering G-forces.

• 30:08Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 30:08Trevor Noah?

  Because one of the things that you're fighting against.

• 30:10Speaker 00

  Which is like you're in traffic at a tunnel, you're like, nope, and you go on the topic. I don't know what's practical.

• 30:14Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no. So when you, when you're driving a car very fast, one of the things you're, you're struggling against is the G-forces. You're in a corner, your, your, your centrifugal force is pulling you in that direction, right? So you've got, all these, these forces are pulling you because that's where you were going. But turning is going against the direction you were going.

• 30:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 30:34Trevor Noah?

  And so now your tires are fighting.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  To stay on the ground.

• 30:36Trevor Noah?

  To stay on the ground.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  Right.

• 30:38Trevor Noah?

  But your mass is pulling you in that direction. And so one of the ways you achieve this is through downforce. So you, by pushing an object closer to the ground.

• 30:48Trevor Noah?

  Either making air go on top of it or pulling the ground to it. You can then make the vehicle.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Stick to the floor.

• 30:53Trevor Noah?

  Stick to the floor essentially.

• 30:54Speaker 00

  Got it. The weirdest part is that he and Peter Thiel were in that accident.

• 30:59Trevor Noah?

  Which accident?

• 31:00Speaker 00

  They, when they sold all the money for like X dot com or PayPal, the first X dot com.

• 31:05Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 31:05Speaker 00

  And he bought like some insane fast car, right? There's like video of him on, I don't know if it was sixty minutes or whatever, but he's.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  Oh, we get it delivered, a McLaren.

• 31:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was the, it was a McLaren. And so he got it delivered. And then he and Peter Thiel were driving and Elon goes like, watch this and like floors it. And then totally rolls the car, which watch this right before you roll cars.

• 31:28Speaker 00

  Part of it, funniest thing you could say. Yeah, he totally wrecked the car and they, they obviously survived and whatever. But it feels like he's trying to invent a time machine that would fix that moment. But like, that's exactly the thing of like, oh, how could I have been safe in that moment? For people who want to be going that fast.

• 31:45Trevor Noah?

  I think I.

• 31:45Speaker 00

  But they rolled, yeah.

• 31:46Trevor Noah?

  I like, I, you, I mean, you know, my stance on it. I'm, I haven't seen anything that'll change my opinion on him. Because I go like, no, I see Elon. In fact, I would even say my, my, my stance on Elon Musk has softened. When I've read about like great inventors in history.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 32:05Trevor Noah?

  And whether or not you think he's an inventor or not, you'd be like, oh, he just buys company. Yeah, but you can't deny that he does a good job of like pushing the thing to become more than what it is. And you know, SpaceX is a good example of that, et cetera. Like no one, people were like, you can't fly, rockets are expensive. The guy came in, he pushed them in a certain way, they get there. Same with data centers and stuff. So take away your political hate for him. It's hard, but you know, take it away.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Centrifugal forces pushing you this way.

• 32:30Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just try.

• 32:32Speaker 00

  You got a corner, the hate, yeah.

• 32:33Trevor Noah?

  Just try. Have you, have you read the stories about like Edison? Yo, man. If that guy had Twitter back then and we could read his tweets now.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:45Trevor Noah?

  We would, we would think differently about using electricity.

• 32:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, oh, you're using a light bulb?

• 32:50Trevor Noah?

  It would be like, mm, I don't know if you want to use a light bulb, but you know what kind of person he was. He like.

• 32:56Speaker 00

  On Henry Ford's, you know.

• 32:57Trevor Noah?

  He's like, yes, a lot of these guys like, in fact, I would say most people. Through history, had we known all their opinions about the world and life. We probably would have a very different opinion on them, whereas we just have the object that they made.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  There was a story of, of like this about Chase, like the Chase of Chase Bank, who founded Chase Bank.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  I didn't know Chase was a person.

• 33:21Speaker 00

  Chase was a person, wasn't it?

• 33:22Trevor Noah?

  No, I didn't, I didn't.

• 33:23Speaker 00

  There's JP Morgan.

• 33:24Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 33:25Speaker 00

  Um, or was it JP Morgan? I think he was selling.

• 33:28Speaker 02

  Morgan Chase, so it could be Chase.

• 33:29Speaker 00

  It could be. I don't, I'd, I'd have to go back and look. But he founded, he had this company when he was starting out. He was, it was civil war and he was selling rifles to the soldiers. But he got all these rifles, but they were like malfunctioning rifles.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  I, yeah.

• 33:49Speaker 02

  Not in a war.

• 33:50Speaker 00

  Sold them at a discount for the soldiers. And so then they're there and they're like, ah, the rifle. And it was like blowing their thumbs off of the people shooting the rifle. And so then they're like, yo, you can't do that. We bought them. He's like, I told you, like, I sold them at a discount. And so then I think there was like a lawsuit and they're like, no, like you bought them knowing that they were cheap. But that was his origin story. And I was like, cool. And then he's like, I found a bank. And then that's how he gets in, but yeah.

• 34:20Trevor Noah?

  Oh, man.

• 34:21Speaker 00

  That's what, if your money's in Chase, you've got, yeah.

• 34:24Trevor Noah?

  That's pretty crazy.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but he saved lives as well.

• 34:27Trevor Noah?

  Who?

• 34:28Speaker 02

  Him.

• 34:28Trevor Noah?

  Oh, by, by making a gun.

• 34:31Speaker 00

  The enemy's lives.

• 34:32Trevor Noah?

  That is one, that is one way to stop a war. Is give everyone a gun that blows off their fingers.

• 34:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 34:37Trevor Noah?

  That is one way to like, if you're like a pacifist, just everyone in the world.

• 34:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, malfunctioning gun?

• 34:42Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, everyone running around, no thumbs.

• 34:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:45Trevor Noah?

  That's a crazy story.

• 34:46Speaker 00

  Isn't that crazy? Maybe it was JP Morgan. I can't, I'd have to.

• 34:49Trevor Noah?

  I wonder, now, now I want to know.

• 34:50Speaker 00

  Now you look it up, yeah.

• 34:51Trevor Noah?

  Now, I also didn't know that Chase was a person. I mean, it makes sense now when you think of the names.

• 34:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 34:55Trevor Noah?

  Who sold guns, JP Morgan or Chase?

• 34:57Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 35:00Trevor Noah?

  What do you mean? What do you want me to say? You want me to like, have like small talk? Hey, phone, how you doing? So me and my friends were just chatting. Uh, you know, uh, we're just, first of all, so JP Morgan during the civil war. JP Morgan purchased five thousand defective rifles from the US Army for three dollars fifty each. And resold them back to a Union general for twenty two dollars. Union's good or bad guys, which ones?

• 35:21Speaker 00

  Good.

• 35:21Trevor Noah?

  The good guys.

• 35:22Speaker 00

  I mean, it depends on what state you're in, but. Let's go with good.

• 35:26Trevor Noah?

  Wow, he sold this to the good guys. Damn.

• 35:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:29Trevor Noah?

  For twenty two, what a profit. Damn, okay. Um, yeah, the Bank of Man, the Bank of Manhattan Company merged the Chase. Yeah, okay. So it was, it was JP Morgan.

• 35:38Speaker 00

  JP Morgan, yes.

• 35:39Trevor Noah?

  Hmm. That's actually, that's actually good, okay.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Huh, legendary.

• 35:44Speaker 00

  But, yeah, so.

• 35:46Trevor Noah?

  Well, there you have it.

• 35:47Speaker 00

  That's it.

• 35:48Trevor Noah?

  What, the pistol that killed the founding father? Man, now I'm down a rabbit hole.

• 35:53Speaker 00

  Wait, that's Hamilton, right?

• 35:55Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:56Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no, I'm just saying.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  Pull up Hamilton. Ah, this is great. You should see this.

• 36:01Trevor Noah?

  Now we're just gonna be in the room where it happened.

• 36:05Speaker 00

  Now that could be a national anthem.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Did you watch Hamilton?

• 36:08Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, you've never been to it.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 36:10Trevor Noah?

  It was really.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  My daughters watched it millions of times.

• 36:12Trevor Noah?

  I loved it. I won't lie. I think, I think at some point it became, either because it became too popular. It started to become.

• 36:21Speaker 02

  The Lion King.

• 36:21Speaker 00

  The backlash.

• 36:22Trevor Noah?

  Parody of itself in a weird way.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 36:25Trevor Noah?

  But I thought it was amazing. But things, things like that, I think society does that, right? Is when a thing is novel, people love it for what it is. They go, this is amazing. It gets big, everyone wants to be a part of it. But then when everyone is a part of it and it becomes too big.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  Everyone hates it.

• 36:40Trevor Noah?

  At some point, people just go like, no, we're gonna hate it.

• 36:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's corny. You like people, yeah.

• 36:45Trevor Noah?

  And then you're like, why do you hate it? It's like, yeah, just because. It was like, yeah, I, I thought it was great. Hamilton was great. I wish all American history was like, I would learn all of it. Now, when I like watch a documentary or something, then I'm like, guys, guys, where's the rapping? What are you doing here? I can't learn like this.

• 37:00Speaker 00

  But that's like the Shakespearean histories. You just have to make history rhyme and people will learn it. Cause he's doing it in verse and yeah.

• 37:07Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, that's true. You should make everything rhyme and then people, I think school was like.

• 37:11Speaker 00

  Who has the time?

• 37:11Trevor Noah?

  I should do that with, uh, with, when I was learning exams in school, I would turn them into rap songs.

• 37:16Speaker 00

  Really?

• 37:17Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'd record them on a tape recorder. And then I would just.

• 37:21Speaker 00

  Yo, man, you like history here?

• 37:23Trevor Noah?

  And then I would, and then I would listen to the songs before class.

• 37:30Trevor Noah?

  Jesus, a part tape, mixtape, E.T. My God. No, and I used to, I used to make songs in school. So I'd go home, yeah, I'd go home and I'd put, you remember the cassette recorder?

• 37:40Speaker 02

  Press record, yeah.

• 37:41Trevor Noah?

  And then press record. And then the, the, the radio, we had had a speaker in it. It wasn't good, but a speaker in it. And then you could play one tape, like music, and then you could record sound and tape on the, on the second deck.

• 37:54Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 37:55Trevor Noah?

  And then I would record like all the things.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  The speaker was a microphone, yeah.

• 37:59Trevor Noah?

  History, whatever I was trying to learn, I would, then I would be there. The Bolshevik revolution. And then I'd like, and then I would just do that.

• 38:06Speaker 00

  Ah, what rhymes with that? Oh, God.

• 38:09Speaker 02

  Bullshit, Bolshevik.

• 38:10Speaker 00

  Ah, no.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Oh, snap.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  Why did I start with that?

• 38:16Speaker 00

  Ah, this is not a good freestyle.

• 38:21Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, that's hard. And then I remember thinking. Like, I feel like most kids in school aren't failing because they're not good at the subject. They're failing because the way they're taught to recall the thing isn't easy.

• 38:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:33Trevor Noah?

  Uh, like I know kids who have failed in school, who can tell you every line from their favorite movie. They can sing you a list of like two hundred songs and not miss a single lyric.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 38:43Trevor Noah?

  They can tell you the plot from every video game they've played, every moment. Okay, when did, what happened with Trevor? When did Franklin do this? And at what point does this happen in Grand Theft Auto? They know all of it.

• 38:53Speaker 00

  I thought you meant Benjamin Franklin. You're talking about G T A five Franklin.

• 38:57Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:57Speaker 00

  Very different Franklin.

• 38:58Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no, no, the, the only Franklin that matters to me, my friend. And.

• 39:02Speaker 00

  Benjamin Franklin walking out with a kiker. Oh, shit, here we go in.

• 39:07Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, and then, uh, and then I go, these kids are failing not because they don't remember.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:12Trevor Noah?

  It's because they're not, they're not taught in a way that they will recall. And then they can't recall.

• 39:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:17Trevor Noah?

  And then now you're a failure, but you're not actually a failure.

• 39:20Speaker 00

  That makes sense to me. You would learn that way because you approach things musically always. Like the rhythm of a thing as opposed to like going up and, oh, I, I can picture the words on the page. Like I can, like if I'm doing.

• 39:32Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 00

  Performing something or whatever, like I can see the page. And that's how I would study for tests was like, I could like actually see the note in my mind. When I was studying, always.

• 39:43Trevor Noah?

  I wish I had that. That's a superpower.

• 39:44Speaker 00

  But the musical thing is like, I, you, the way you can do the anthems, like I'm not even gonna do the words. It's just the melody of it. But I feel like that's how you would approach comedy.

• 39:53Trevor Noah?

  Yes, that is.

• 39:53Speaker 00

  And I think that, and so like that locked in for me, working at the show was like, oh, he will approach things musically.

• 39:59Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 40:00Speaker 00

  You know what I mean? Like, and it's.

• 40:01Trevor Noah?

  You know, I always tell you about, I go the rhythm, even like in a vibe, I can go like, the rhythm here is off. A gathering of people, the rhythm is off. You'll feel it sometimes. Have you, have you been in a room, a party, a dinner, whatever it is? If the rhythm hits the right notes, all of a sudden everyone is talking, but, but it doesn't feel loud. And everyone's laughing. That's when the rhythm is perfect. You, you've just hit the right note and everything is going. And inevitably there'll be some idiot who stands up and is like, excuse me, everyone. Excuse me, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, excuse me. And you're like, no, no, the rhythm was perfect. And then they spoil it.

• 40:35Speaker 00

  It becomes like the anthem.

• 40:36Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, it does.

• 40:37Speaker 00

  Ah, changed and it didn't transition the way it needs to transition.

• 40:40Trevor Noah?

  Everything.

• 40:43Trevor Noah?

  We'll be right back after the short break.

• 40:46Speaker 00

  My dad had his plane hit by lightning one time, too.

• 40:49Trevor Noah?

  Ah, no, you should have started with, you should have led with that, bro. Ah, no, Devon, no, you, Devon, I see what you mean.

• 40:56Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 40:56Trevor Noah?

  No, my man, you should have led with that.

• 40:58Speaker 00

  Before, but no, I think so.

• 40:59Trevor Noah?

  My man, I'm out here thinking your dad needs to get over his fears. Meanwhile, it looks like God is coming for your dad, brother.

• 41:06Speaker 00

  No, but what's like.

• 41:07Trevor Noah?

  It feels like Final Destination is trying to get your dad.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  But only plane God is his jurisdiction, because everywhere else is good.

• 41:13Trevor Noah?

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• 41:56Trevor Noah?

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• 42:41Trevor Noah?

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• 43:26Trevor Noah?

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• 44:28Trevor Noah?

  Did your parents survive a plane crash?

• 44:30Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 44:31Trevor Noah?

  Oh, yeah, I remember that. I was like, Eugene will find this. Why didn't you lead with that?

• 44:34Speaker 00

  What?

• 44:35Trevor Noah?

  In my head, you know what I thought? In my head, I thought, ah. Eugene's probably gonna wonder why he doesn't start with that.

• 44:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:41Trevor Noah?

  What a waste. How long? Twenty minutes of?

• 44:45Trevor Noah?

  Guys, who could have led with that?

• 44:49Speaker 00

  What am I gonna? Hey, man, nice to meet you. Hey, can I tell you my parents?

• 44:52Trevor Noah?

  Absolutely.

• 44:53Speaker 00

  Really? First thing?

• 44:55Trevor Noah?

  If I survived the Ebola, you think I wouldn't lead with that?

• 45:01Speaker 00

  I mean, just, I would, yeah.

• 45:03Trevor Noah?

  Would I not lead with that?

• 45:04Speaker 00

  Hand sanitize first. That's politeness. This is not like.

• 45:08Trevor Noah?

  He'd be more subtle.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:10Trevor Noah?

  You're probably wondering why I'm sanitizing my hands before I shake yours.

• 45:17Trevor Noah?

  Man, yeah.

• 45:17Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, they survived a plane crash. Nineteen eighty-two, they were in Spain, traveling overseas. You know, they were with these friends of theirs who were on their honeymoon and hanging out. So they get on the plane, they're in the back row. Plane goes, takes off. Something happens with the en- they don't even know, I think, necessarily, but like something happens with one of the engines fails. The pilot, like, split-second decision decides, like, I'm not gonna go up. I don't think I'm gonna make it. So goes back down, off the runway, then through, like, across a highway, into a field, and like bursts into flames. And so then, my parents are there. Fifty-five people died. They were in the back, where like most of them.

• 46:00Trevor Noah?

  Survived.

• 46:01Speaker 00

  Died.

• 46:01Trevor Noah?

  Oh.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  And so my dad, like, dad and mom, like, get up. My mom is walking, they fall, she falls, he like grabs her, goes, they go towards the front. And I've asked my parents about it, and it was like, why? You were in the back. Why didn't you go to the exit in the back? And my dad was just like, there was no future back there. I'm like, that's a crazy thing to like to hear and say. So they go out, they jump off the wing. My mom, like, broke her ankle. They're all like bruised, and the plane was on fire, and then they make it out. It was like, and this happened two years before I was born. So I was not even around or anything like that. And the, like, any story like this, there's like all these elements. They were visiting their friend Charlie Beck in Spain and hanging out with them. And so like, drops him off at the airport, by, whatever.

• 46:47Speaker 00

  So he goes to like a local bar, and he's hanging out, and he sees on the TV.

• 46:52Trevor Noah?

  On the news.

• 46:53Speaker 00

  That like plane crash, whatever. And he like runs out of the bar, leaves his shoes, like doesn't, runs out of his shoes, right?

• 47:02Trevor Noah?

  True panic.

• 47:02Speaker 00

  True panic, like, gets in a cab, goes to the airport, whatever, and like is like looking for them to see if they're alive, whatever. And gets to the airport. My parents are like, you know, in a daze or whatever, like going around. So he's going and like trying to talk to people and like had to figure out what he would have to do, if he would have to identify them, and like these horrible things. So then eventually, like, he finds them, and they have this reunion. And he was this like, kind of like, he was a character, this guy. So he gets up to them and he goes.

• 47:34Trevor Noah?

  He had his shoes off at the bar.

• 47:35Speaker 00

  He goes, "Oh, my God." No, he left his shoes at the bar, ran out. So then he gets him, he goes, "Oh, my God, you're alive," whatever. And he goes, "Do you have any money? I have to pay the cabbie."

• 47:45Speaker 00

  Any money? So he asked them. They're like, "Try, we don't have money. We're in a plane crash." And he's like, "Ah, the cabbie's waiting. I gotta go." So, yeah.

• 47:57Trevor Noah?

  Yo, Charlie.

• 47:58Speaker 00

  So then they, you know, then they have to go, they don't have their passports, they have nothing. And they're in Spain, they're in a different country. So then they're in this like administrative nightmare, where you're like, "I'm in Spain. Well, how did you get to Spain?"

• 48:11Trevor Noah?

  Now, you're not just plane survivors, you are refugees.

• 48:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, so you have to go to the embassy and stuff.

• 48:16Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 48:16Speaker 00

  And so then they have to go through all that kind of thing, and their passports and whatever. And so it was a whole thing.

• 48:21Trevor Noah?

  Did they fly home?

• 48:22Speaker 00

  No, they took the Queen Elizabeth II. They took the ship. They have not flown since.

• 48:26Trevor Noah?

  Because I was wondering.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:27Trevor Noah?

  I was wondering, if anyone survives a plane crash, do they go into a plane again?

• 48:31Speaker 00

  My parents have not. They have not.

• 48:32Trevor Noah?

  No, since?

• 48:33Speaker 00

  Never. I didn't fly until I was twenty-one. Yeah, first time I flew, I was twenty-one. But we took, I would travel across country. We took a trip, we would drive, we would take the train. And then I went to Europe. We went on the Queen Elizabeth II when I went, which was great.

• 48:48Trevor Noah?

  The same when the Travis Barker takes, yeah.

• 48:52Speaker 00

  I don't even know if I can watch Titanic.

• 48:54Trevor Noah?

  I'm just saying, you know, why are you laughing, bro?

• 48:57Speaker 00

  I think, I mean, and I don't know, because it's like.

• 48:59Trevor Noah?

  One trauma, you want, you want a double whammy. No, what I'm saying is like, this is a genuinely a dilemma I always have in my brain. Is I go, when something bad happens to you in life.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:13Trevor Noah?

  Like this specifically. Do you then see this as the lightning striking and missing you? And so you should carry on with your, or do you now go like, I'm not gonna go outside again? And both, I think, have merit. One is like, I'm not gonna fly again because I, a plane crash. The other one is like, no, I should fly all the time now, because like, you can't have more than one plane crash.

• 49:34Speaker 00

  My dad had his plane hit by lightning one time, too.

• 49:37Trevor Noah?

  Ah, no, you should have started with, you should have led with that, bro.

• 49:42Trevor Noah?

  No, you, Devon, I see what you mean.

• 49:43Speaker 00

  No, no.

• 49:44Trevor Noah?

  No, my man, you should have led with that.

• 49:46Speaker 00

  Before, but no, I think so.

• 49:47Trevor Noah?

  My man, I'm out here thinking your dad needs to get over his fears. Meanwhile, it looks like God is coming for your dad, brother.

• 49:53Speaker 00

  No, but what's like.

• 49:55Trevor Noah?

  It feels like Final Destination is trying to get your dad.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  But that's like, there's, but only plane God is his jurisdiction, because everywhere else is good.

• 50:01Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, hey, man. Meanwhile, your dad was the opposite of D.B. Cooper. He was just getting away from your plane.

• 50:06Speaker 00

  I think that's part of it, because he's talked about flying before, because he likes to travel and whatever. And he's like, I'm not gonna get on a plane. But sometimes he'd be like, should I? I don't know. And he's like, thought about it. But I really think it would be like, if it goes down, I'm not as afraid of like, to be like, I knew I should, I got a warning and I shouldn't have done. He would be more like.

• 50:23Trevor Noah?

  You can't get two warnings.

• 50:24Speaker 00

  Ah, duh.

• 50:25Trevor Noah?

  Lightning first, then it's like, oh, you didn't learn, okay? Crash, but you survived.

• 50:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, first.

• 50:30Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, you see? Lightning first is like a small warning.

• 50:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:33Trevor Noah?

  Second one, you survive the crash. Third one, you wanna do a third one? Ah, well.

• 50:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, no.

• 50:39Trevor Noah?

  Who's also low in. But why is it that there's few modes of transport where if people have a near-death experience in them, they swear never to partake anymore? One is a motorcycle.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:50Trevor Noah?

  Like, oh, everyone always remembers the story of a cousin or an ex-boyfriend of a stranger, and then, you know, who died in a motorbike accident.

• 50:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:57Trevor Noah?

  And then there's a plane, plane crash, where people are like, I'll never go into a, you know what I mean?

• 51:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:01Trevor Noah?

  But car accidents happen every day, bus accidents happen every day.

• 51:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:05Trevor Noah?

  Bicycle accidents happen every day. I've never heard people swearing off of driving a car ever again, like, no. I don't even get inside a taxi. I don't care. But why is it that these few modes of transport, people are like, you see?

• 51:17Speaker 00

  What are the three?

• 51:19Trevor Noah?

  Motorcycles.

• 51:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:20Trevor Noah?

  Uh, planes.

• 51:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:22Trevor Noah?

  And then ships. There's people who've been in ship, ship accidents, and then they're like, never again, yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 00

  That's a valid point.

• 51:28Trevor Noah?

  A boat, yeah.

• 51:29Speaker 00

  I've never thought of this, honestly.

• 51:30Trevor Noah?

  A boat. People are like, yeah, it was a boat accident, right?

• 51:33Speaker 00

  I actually never thought of that.

• 51:34Trevor Noah?

  Because they're in a lake, they're in a dam. They're like, a boat accident, people excuse.

• 51:39Speaker 00

  But it's like every day, like a mode of transportation every day. I don't know where my dad would fall in the Elon car, because it's like, technically, this thing is flying. Am I allowed? Am I allowed to do it? Where's, where do you draw the line?

• 51:52Trevor Noah?

  Devon, why is it that people do that? Why is it that people go? Could it be, could it be the novelty, maybe?

• 51:58Trevor Noah?

  So maybe what it is is because there are, there aren't as many motorbikes on the road. And there aren't as many people in motorbike accidents in their lives. That becomes anomalous. And then there's so many cars that your brain tells you that if someone has an accident, that's not the normal experience of being in a car. But then with planes, because you don't live with them and you don't see them every day on the road, you, your brain doesn't tell you how many planes there actually are. So you go like, if a plane crashes, it means planes are not safe. I, I don't know. I'm, I, I genuinely.

• 52:33Speaker 02

  But then people who ride motorcycles and have had motorcycle accidents.

• 52:36Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Never say, I'll never ride a motorcycle ever again.

• 52:39Trevor Noah?

  But that's what I'm saying.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  People that have never been on top of a motorcycle.

• 52:41Trevor Noah?

  But that's what I mean.

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Have never lost anyone from a motorcycle accident who say how dangerous motorcycles are. You know what I mean? Same with um, a, a, a captain of a ship.

• 52:51Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  Of a cruise ship.

• 52:53Trevor Noah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  Once there's an accident that happens or bad weather happens, then the passengers are like, I'll never go on a ship again.

• 52:59Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  But the captain never goes, I'll never, I'll never sail another ship again.

• 53:03Trevor Noah?

  So maybe that, that's what it is though. It's, it's, it's an, it's, maybe it's a measure of control. So bikes, planes and ships.

• 53:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:11Trevor Noah?

  Are all things that most people do not know how to uh, like, drive themselves. And you don't encounter them. So most people who drive cars don't ride motorbikes or have never ridden a motorbike.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:24Trevor Noah?

  Most people do not know how to fly a plane. Most people do not know how to steer a ship, right?

• 53:29Speaker 02

  How, what, how do they steer ships again? Oh, how do you steer a ship? Well then Captain Ahab.

• 53:35Trevor Noah?

  What do you mean? It's still like this.

• 53:37Speaker 02

  What? I think there's those.

• 53:39Trevor Noah?

  What are you, what are you doing right now? What is this?

• 53:42Speaker 02

  Hey man, you hold, have you seen what I, what um, what, what um, what are you, what are they called? The steering wheel of a ship.

• 53:50Trevor Noah?

  Steering wheel of a ship.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 53:51Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  Have you seen it before?

• 53:53Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. The typical, what does it look like?

• 53:55Trevor Noah?

  It's round.

• 53:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:56Trevor Noah?

  And you spin it and you.

• 53:57Speaker 02

  No, doesn't it, is it smooth?

• 53:58Trevor Noah?

  It's smooth on the outside.

• 53:59Speaker 02

  Ah, yeah, what now again? I knew it. In all the maritime paraphernalia you've ever seen, you've never seen what a ship wheel looks like.

• 54:06Trevor Noah?

  You, are you talking about a pirate ship?

• 54:08Speaker 02

  No, just a normal.

• 54:10Trevor Noah?

  Like you're talking about a cruise ship?

• 54:12Speaker 02

  Or when you're talking about.

• 54:13Trevor Noah?

  Or when you're talking. What? No, no, no.

• 54:15Speaker 02

  No, no. Cruise ship controls look like a fighter jet control.

• 54:19Trevor Noah?

  It's called a helm. The helm.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  A helm. Thank you Jess. But Jess, what does a typical helm look like? A stereotypical helm?

• 54:27Trevor Noah?

  Uh, it kinda looks like a wheel with spokes.

• 54:29Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  And how would you hold those?

• 54:31Speaker 00

  That's why you're doing the thing.

• 54:32Trevor Noah?

  But that's kinda like old timey pirate ship style. Here, look, look here. If we look at the images, is this not a steering wheel?

• 54:41Speaker 02

  No.

• 54:41Speaker 00

  That's not what I was picking.

• 54:42Trevor Noah?

  But this is on a cruise ship.

• 54:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  No, wait.

• 54:45Trevor Noah?

  I'm not crazy. This is on a cruise ship.

• 54:46Speaker 00

  That looks like a go-kart though.

• 54:49Trevor Noah?

  You're talking about this thing?

• 54:50Speaker 02

  For nineteen seventies.

• 54:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:52Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but I'm saying cruise ships don't have this.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  No, what we're saying is.

• 54:55Speaker 00

  If you go to any like shrimp restaurant, you've seen them. That's like the, you know what I mean?

• 54:59Trevor Noah?

  I, when I'm thinking of the current states of maritime technology, I'm not using shrimp restaurants as my benchmark.

• 55:06Speaker 00

  I've just been pledging allegiance to so many ships as pirate, under the pirate flag that I have to know what the wheel looks like.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  No ways.

• 55:15Trevor Noah?

  This is how I've always.

• 55:16Speaker 02

  It's like someone describing how to drive a truck. We're like, oh, and then the steering wheel. I'm like, no. A truck steering wheel is not like this.

• 55:22Trevor Noah?

  What is it?

• 55:22Speaker 02

  It's like this.

• 55:23Trevor Noah?

  Ah, I mean now, those are semantics.

• 55:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  Trevor.

• 55:27Trevor Noah?

  But it's, that's like semantics, my brother. That's like a small difference. You're making like the person invented a completely different thing. It's like, it's just like the angle that they got off, but the main thing they're remembering is this.

• 55:37Speaker 00

  Or the pirate captain being like, ten and two, arrgh.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Ten and two.

• 55:44Speaker 00

  Parallel. Looking behind the ship.

• 55:47Trevor Noah?

  But I think it's, I think it's because of that. That's my, that's my, my, if I'm, I'm just guessing here.

• 55:51Speaker 02

  So you're saying is the average person.

• 55:52Trevor Noah?

  So I think we are more likely to believe that the thing that we know how to control.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:00Trevor Noah?

  Taking somebody's life was an error or their mistake, but the thing we don't know how to control. We go, oh man, I, that thing is dangerous.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:11Trevor Noah?

  Like the thing is dangerous.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 56:13Trevor Noah?

  So because most people don't ride a motorbike, they're like, mm, mm, mm, mm. Man, those motorbikes, those things are dangerous, because they can't even like balance on the thing.

• 56:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 56:21Trevor Noah?

  Most people can't fly a plane, so they go like, mm, planes are dangerous.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 56:24Trevor Noah?

  Most people can't, a ship, they're like, no, that, those things are dangerous. But a car, they're like, no, I know.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  I know I can do better.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:31Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 56:32Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 56:33Trevor Noah?

  Like, think about it, even when you're, okay, when you're driving on the road.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 56:38Trevor Noah?

  Doesn't matter who you're with. You see an accident, a car's flipped upside down or whatever. Most of the time, what, what are you saying?

• 56:43Speaker 00

  That's probably Peter Thiel, yeah.

• 56:52Speaker 00

  I keep driving.

• 56:53Trevor Noah?

  Most of the time, you say to yourself, what were they doing?

• 56:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:59Trevor Noah?

  Most of the time.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  Judgment immediately.

• 57:00Trevor Noah?

  Most of the time, you see a car that's flipped on a highway or it's smashed, you go, ah, what were they doing? That's what you say. But when a plane crashes, you don't say, what were they doing?

• 57:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:10Trevor Noah?

  You go like.

• 57:11Speaker 00

  Misfunction with the equipment or whatever, yeah.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  One can be attributed to human error.

• 57:16Trevor Noah?

  That's what.

• 57:16Speaker 02

  One is mechanical error.

• 57:18Trevor Noah?

  We don't know how planes work, because we don't fly planes. So when a plane crashes, we go, it's the plane. When in fact, I think it's like, like more than ninety-eight percent, I stand to be corrected, of plane crashes are all human error.

• 57:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:30Trevor Noah?

  In some way, shape or form. So it's just that we go, no, no, no, that, a human made that mistake, because I know how you do that properly.

• 57:37Speaker 02

  And I've never crashed and I've been driving for twenty years. You're right.

• 57:40Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but with a motorbike, they're like, how does it even stay up? It only has two wheels. How does this even?

• 57:46Trevor Noah?

  So that, that's, I mean, that's, that's how I think it is. I think as people, we generally think the things we do are safer than the things that we don't understand.

• 57:52Speaker 00

  I wonder if the people on the Titanic ever took another ship, like the people who survived.

• 57:56Speaker 02

  Probably did.

• 57:58Trevor Noah?

  I think a lot of people didn't.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was no way of getting back home. How were they gonna get home?

• 58:01Trevor Noah?

  They didn't. I think a lot of people didn't. I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of people didn't.

• 58:05Speaker 00

  They're just like, okay.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  Immigrants of that place that they were rescued from.

• 58:08Trevor Noah?

  Also remember, a lot of them were already doing that. A lot of people were going.

• 58:12Speaker 00

  Right.

• 58:12Trevor Noah?

  To America to go.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  So the last ship they took was the one that rescued them.

• 58:17Trevor Noah?

  Basically, I would, I wouldn't be shocked.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  Because they were not heli-vacked.

• 58:20Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but do you think, you think?

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Because you know what I mean? They were floating on doors.

• 58:25Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  From a, from a sinking ship.

• 58:27Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Then another ship came.

• 58:29Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 58:29Speaker 02

  To pick them up. So if they were so vehemently against ships.

• 58:32Trevor Noah?

  That's not how the brain works.

• 58:33Speaker 00

  Not at the moment.

• 58:34Speaker 02

  Or not at the moment.

• 58:35Trevor Noah?

  The brain, the brain doesn't work like that.

• 58:37Speaker 02

  Okay, so let, get me out of here first and then I'll swear off this thing.

• 58:40Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 58:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:41Speaker 02

  One last drink and then I'll never drink again.

• 58:43Trevor Noah?

  You, you, your body, man, your brain, your body, all those things, just like, um, you, you're terrified. Now the next time you hear the sound, bom, bom, no man, I can just see the.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  It would have been violins. Those people would have hated violins.

• 58:56Trevor Noah?

  All of it.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, because that, that movie put a damp on me. I'm a violin. I never wanted to see another violin. When the band kept on playing, they put it in and I was like, ah, come on, guys.

• 59:05Trevor Noah?

  What a great movie.

• 59:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:07Trevor Noah?

  I've watched the second half of Titanic probably twelve times.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  From where to where? Where is the second half for you? When the sinking happens?

• 59:15Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, probably from like the sinking-ish part around there. I've never watched the first half of Titanic ever.

• 59:24Speaker 00

  Why not?

• 59:25Trevor Noah?

  So when The Matrix first came out.

• 59:29Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 59:30Trevor Noah?

  All I wanted to watch was The Matrix. It was the greatest campaign I'd ever seen for a film.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:35Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:36Trevor Noah?

  I didn't know what it was. It just had a thing and it said, The Matrix has you.

• 59:39Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. It was like.

• 59:40Trevor Noah?

  What is The Matrix?

• 59:41Speaker 00

  The first like viral marketing.

• 59:44Trevor Noah?

  I did not know what was happening. I just knew that I had to watch this movie.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:48Trevor Noah?

  So the first time I went to watch The Matrix, going to the, the, the cinema and I watched the movie. Like this is the greatest movie I've ever seen in my life.

• 59:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:58Trevor Noah?

  I don't understand it though.

• 1:00:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:00Trevor Noah?

  I'm like, wait, what, what? I don't, I have to see it again. I don't have the money to just go see a movie again. So what I would do then is I would sneak into the movies, right? So the best way to sneak into the movies was to use people exiting a movie. You, you, and then you go into the movies, but now the problem is.

• 1:00:19Speaker 00

  Right, right.

• 1:00:19Trevor Noah?

  There's the, the time.

• 1:00:21Speaker 02

  In between, yeah.

• 1:00:21Trevor Noah?

  Showings.

• 1:00:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Trevor Noah?

  Because people are cleaning the seats.

• 1:00:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:24Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, so you can't just go wait for the, you can't be like, no, I'm good. I'm gonna wait for Neo to come. No, there's none of that. They'll kick you out. So what I'd do is I'd wait for people to be leaving any movie, right? So I'd wait for The Matrix to leave. And then I would go in with them, basically. I'd just be like, I forgot something, my wallet or whatever, I'd run back in.

• 1:00:42Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:00:42Trevor Noah?

  And then when I'd come out, I'd just go into Titanic, because Titanic was like three hours long.

• 1:00:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:00:48Trevor Noah?

  And then I'd go sit in Titanic.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:00:50Trevor Noah?

  And Titanic's last hour would get me through to the next showing of The Matrix.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Yes, because you already passed the ticket check.

• 1:00:56Trevor Noah?

  When Titanic would leave, I would just go start The Matrix again.

• 1:01:01Speaker 00

  But how did you get, there's no one taking tickets at the?

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  There's only one checkpoint.

• 1:01:04Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:05Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, it's one. You have the main checkpoint. Once you're in, you're in.

• 1:01:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:08Trevor Noah?

  That's the only time you do tickets, is, is at the main like entrance.

• 1:01:11Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:01:11Trevor Noah?

  Between theaters, you can do what you want. Most movie theaters, even now in America, you can move freely between movie theaters.

• 1:01:16Speaker 00

  Matrix and Titanic were at the same time?

• 1:01:18Trevor Noah?

  In South Africa, we had crazy, like, we had movies that came out three years after you guys.

• 1:01:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, that, I mean, that was, Titanic was like, what, ninety-six or ninety-seven? The Matrix was ninety-nine?

• 1:01:27Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no. We had crazy, do you remember the time lapses that we had in, we had movies sometimes where you guys, we, we couldn't believe, like now, South Africa gets a movie when it comes out. That was not the case.

• 1:01:38Speaker 00

  Really? Okay.

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:39Trevor Noah?

  Days of Our Lives was the biggest soap opera in South Africa.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  That thing.

• 1:01:42Trevor Noah?

  We were, how many years behind?

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  Yo, years and years and years. We used to hear stories about America being ahead.

• 1:01:48Trevor Noah?

  No, but like.

• 1:01:48Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:01:49Trevor Noah?

  I'm talking, maybe six years, maybe even more.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  A couple that was in love in South Africa.

• 1:01:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Had long divorced in America.

• 1:01:55Trevor Noah?

  Had died even. The, the, the stars of The Young and the Restless, Bold and the Beautiful, Days of Our Lives, all of that, when they found out how big they were in South Africa.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, they couldn't believe it.

• 1:02:06Trevor Noah?

  And then they would come out and do these like speaking gigs.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  Ron Moss, yeah.

• 1:02:10Speaker 00

  Really? Wow.

• 1:02:11Trevor Noah?

  But then when they got there.

• 1:02:12Speaker 00

  Years after, yeah.

• 1:02:13Trevor Noah?

  And then like people.

• 1:02:13Speaker 00

  Because they could do press then like after the fact. It'd be like, oh, okay, you know.

• 1:02:17Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but then they would come with spoilers and people like, what, what do you mean when Brooke and I got divorced? Then they're like, what, wait, what?

• 1:02:22Speaker 00

  Wow, huh.

• 1:02:23Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, we were like way, way, way behind.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  So there was no, mm, spoilery.

• 1:02:27Trevor Noah?

  We had some movies, bro, it was crazy. We had some movies that came out.

• 1:02:30Speaker 00

  It's like, ah, brother, Titanic stinks.

• 1:02:32Trevor Noah?

  No, we, we literally had some movies in South Africa that would come out like a year and a half after America.

• 1:02:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:37Trevor Noah?

  And then some that would come out two months, but we never knew when the.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  But it was still new, because.

• 1:02:41Trevor Noah?

  And our cinemas is another factor you have to consider. The cinemas would play things when they want as well.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, what they could afford.

• 1:02:50Trevor Noah?

  So remember you'd be watching, uh, Jean-Claude Van Damme, you'd be watching, uh, Double Dragon.

• 1:02:55Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:02:56Trevor Noah?

  At the same time as Kickboxer.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:03:02Trevor Noah?

  The cinema could just choose to put them out.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a screening room, not a cinema.

• 1:03:04Speaker 00

  So they just have like prints of the movies then?

• 1:03:07Trevor Noah?

  I've never asked them.

• 1:03:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  We should ask Billy, actually.

• 1:03:10Trevor Noah?

  We should ask Billy, actually. That would be, yeah. Yeah, we just played like random, random movies all the time.

• 1:03:17Speaker 00

  So but still no first half of Titanic, never like snuck back in, anything like that?

• 1:03:22Trevor Noah?

  No, there's no need.

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Trevor Noah?

  There's just no need.

• 1:03:25Speaker 00

  I don't think I've ever seen.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Speaker 02

  Because I think Jack is a hobo.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  No future, nothing, nothing, nothing.

• 1:03:35Trevor Noah?

  Oh my god.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  Nothing, he's a homewreck.

• 1:03:37Trevor Noah?

  This guy just said Jack is a hobo.

• 1:03:39Speaker 02

  Homewrecking hobo. He was a, he's a pure definition.

• 1:03:42Trevor Noah?

  I don't think I've ever heard Jack described as that.

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Well, if you, if you look up the word hobo, that would be Jack.

• 1:03:48Speaker 00

  Yeah. You don't say you're, I'm king of the world.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a hobo that became a stowaway.

• 1:03:52Trevor Noah?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  So he had nothing to do.

• 1:03:55Speaker 00

  You thought he was actually king of the world?

• 1:03:59Speaker 00

  Why is the king of the world on a door? This is so confusing.

• 1:04:02Trevor Noah?

  Oh, man.

• 1:04:03Speaker 00

  Do you believe what they're doing to the king of the world?

• 1:04:09Trevor Noah?

  That is so crazy.

• 1:04:12Trevor Noah?

  That's, yeah, I'm trying to think of all the movies I did that with, because there were like a bunch of movies. Devil's Advocate. Yeah, that's another one.

• 1:04:20Speaker 00

  That's, yeah, like New York.

• 1:04:21Trevor Noah?

  That actually might have been the one, actually. Yeah, it might have been Devil's Advocate, because there was a double impediment to Devil's Advocate. Number one, I couldn't afford it, but number two.

• 1:04:28Speaker 02

  You were too young.

• 1:04:29Trevor Noah?

  You weren't allowed to watch the movie.

• 1:04:30Speaker 00

  R-rated.

• 1:04:31Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but then they told us, all the boys at school, they were like, yo, if you go there, you get to see a naked lady.

• 1:04:36Speaker 00

  We talked about this one time, because.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  Charlize is.

• 1:04:39Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, as the naked lady.

• 1:04:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, the, probably in this generation, because there's so much pornography everywhere, young boys are not watching like movies like Titanic.

• 1:04:51Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

  That like, boys who, in, growing up in this age, and I've never seen Titanic fully.

• 1:04:56Trevor Noah?

  Oh, you haven't either?

• 1:04:57Speaker 00

  I have not seen it.

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  Well, what's your excuse?

• 1:04:59Speaker 00

  My parents were in a plane crash, I had to be on ships, I couldn't be thinking about Titanic, right? I couldn't be like, like, I was like, no.

• 1:05:09Speaker 00

  I'll watch Alive, or Flight with Denzel, or Sully, or whatever, but Titanic, I was like, no, I can't have that.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  This is all I've got left.

• 1:05:16Speaker 00

  Yeah, I can't, yeah, I can't be watching movies where trains crash, anything like that.

• 1:05:19Trevor Noah?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:05:20Speaker 00

  So, uh, but no, like, people would watch, like, young boys would watch those movies, like, oh, I think there's gonna be nudity in this movie. But then they're watching like a beautiful love story about Titanic.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, waiting for that moment.

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  Just to see that part, yes, but now there's, they're not accessing it that way, because it's so.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  Sharon Stone in that movie, what's the name of that?

• 1:05:37Trevor Noah?

  Oh, Basic Instinct. When she crosses the legs, she does the thing. Ha, my man, what, and what a great movie we had to sit through to get to that scene.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  What Sharon Stone did for interracial relationships.

• 1:05:47Trevor Noah?

  My man.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  She will never be rewarded for.

• 1:05:49Trevor Noah?

  My man.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  She will never get, I mean, she must have a statue somewhere in the train station. Because, I mean, young black boys were like, yeah, it can, it is possible.

• 1:06:01Speaker 00

  Wait, what is possible?

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  That.

• 1:06:03Trevor Noah?

  We dream the impossible dream.

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:06:06Speaker 00

  That one day I'm gonna be doing an interrogation.

• 1:06:10Speaker 00

  What's the dream there? Aw, man, if I could catch this woman.

• 1:06:15Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 1:06:16Speaker 00

  I need a metal chair and a degree from a police university, and then it's on for me.

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  We didn't see the creepy fat guy, we didn't see the one-way mirror, we didn't see anything. All we saw was that hard hand.

• 1:06:28Speaker 00

  He just wanted to be that guy.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  And the glimpse of her, and then the eye contact, and we're like, rewind that tape so many times. Vichu, vichu, vichu, and the stalking of white chicks just went up.

• 1:06:38Trevor Noah?

  At our Blockbuster, that tape was damaged at that scene.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was rewind, rewind, rewind, rewind.

• 1:06:43Trevor Noah?

  People rewound it too many times, yeah, yeah, those, they were, you could always tell in a movie, with Rambo, it was like, you know, the big, like, forest blowing up thing scene. With every movie, with Karate Kid, it was like the sweep the leg.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Trevor Noah?

  So at our Blockbuster, you knew which section people had just like overly, I guess, watched or rewound, I don't know.

• 1:07:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:01Trevor Noah?

  Because it would just.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  That one was finished.

• 1:07:02Speaker 00

  Because it's a physical object.

• 1:07:03Trevor Noah?

  It would go like, it would do the, the, the grainy thing, only in the great scenes.

• 1:07:08Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:09Trevor Noah?

  But that's, you see, to that point, I, this is gonna sound like the craziest law, but if I was like in office, I would say legally, you see, like porn is legal, but I would say like, no, all porn has to have a story.

• 1:07:24Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  Hey, Trevor, we don't have that much time.

• 1:07:27Trevor Noah?

  This is exactly my point. That, what you're just saying now.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  Jahi, le boy.

• 1:07:30Trevor Noah?

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:32Trevor Noah?

  That is exactly why.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  Ah, nah, mas, yeah, yo, la, hey, my ex-husband, ah, yeah, let's do.

• 1:07:37Trevor Noah?

  Exactly, exactly. Let me tell you why, let me tell you why. I think that pornography, as we think of it, is as old as time. Do you get what I'm saying? It is just has changed.

• 1:07:47Speaker 00

  I mean, there's painting, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:48Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, the statues, statues, etc.

• 1:07:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Trevor Noah?

  So it's as old as time, so I'm not gonna be one of those people like, ah, pornography, no, I mean, the human body, people, it's fine, whatever. The issue I have now with porn is that it's too readily available, and it removes the context of sex as a whole.

• 1:08:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's strictly object.

• 1:08:07Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but like, what I think was, what was, without realizing it as a young man, just the fact that like the porn had a story, it's like, how did these people meet, and what was the thing, and that thing to me, I would make it essential in everything, I would make it like, you know, like you can't skip ads. I would make it like that in porn, if you go to any porn sites, you have to watch the story.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  To get into office.

• 1:08:28Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  You've already lost. Well, why are you wasting our time? We don't have much time to be getting, remember that, also porn is not like we're watching a soap here with our families. We're watching it without our family.

• 1:08:40Speaker 00

  Also, how are you gonna enforce this? Because is there gonna be like?

• 1:08:42Trevor Noah?

  It's just unskippable.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  Hey, Baba, we don't have the time.

• 1:08:44Trevor Noah?

  No, but it's the law.

• 1:08:45Speaker 00

  Are you gonna have a government board that's like, this story is derivative, you need to go back and rewrite, are you reading the script?

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, film and publications board.

• 1:08:53Trevor Noah?

  My man, that AI can do that now, I love how you're making, these are small things.

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  But that's, AI's gonna write the story?

• 1:08:58Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no, what I'm saying is, I will, the oversight, the oversight of it is easy to achieve.

• 1:09:04Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:09:05Trevor Noah?

  It's very easy to achieve.

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  My man, the quick consumption of porn.

• 1:09:08Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  Is the reason why men let their women go to the supermarket alone.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  As soon as the car reverses, you're like, let's go, but you're trying to see how much you can get through before the person comes back.

• 1:09:24Speaker 00

  And Eugene is watching, it's like slow fade in, we see.

• 1:09:27Speaker 02

  Nah, nah, I'm sitting here watching a whole love story.

• 1:09:30Trevor Noah?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  Then she must join me.

• 1:09:32Trevor Noah?

  It's not even, no, it's not even about a love story, it's just about the, the beginnings, the human interact.

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  Human beings, humanity.

• 1:09:39Trevor Noah?

  Guys, even if it's as small as plumber shows up at house, woman says, yo, my sink needs to be fixed, plumber comes in, they have a conversation, then one thing leads to another, even that to me is more human, and I think it's very necessary.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Don't you think there's a genre for that? There's many genres in that thing now.

• 1:09:55Trevor Noah?

  Yes, but my.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  Why don't you go to that genre when, when, when, increase the views in that genre? Leave us, now we're brolyo, we are fine, Tina, here at the takeaway stand.

• 1:10:05Speaker 00

  Are you bringing other people in?

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  Tina, we're fine here at the, at the small window takeaway stand, not a whole.

• 1:10:13Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  We're out of here, you.

• 1:10:14Trevor Noah?

  Yes, you're right, actually, I'm trying to get the fast food out of the food, I'm trying to make it more nutritious.

• 1:10:19Speaker 00

  Yes. You're gonna start a website called Only Plots.

• 1:10:24Speaker 00

  Oh, I'm looking for a good story here, yeah.

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  What are you trying to make it find dining, three courses?

• 1:10:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:29Trevor Noah?

  No, just a little bit more, just a little bit more.

• 1:10:32Speaker 00

  But you can't do that and also come into the movie halfway through.

• 1:10:35Trevor Noah?

  Just think of it as fortification. What are you talking about?

• 1:10:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, man, the king of the world's having a great day.

• 1:10:41Trevor Noah?

  No, that's, that's different. But that's different. Guys, I still watched for an hour. In fact, for me, if you think about it, Titanic, if you don't watch the full movie, you just watch the middle of a movie, it's a, it's a fantastic movie about the human condition and how people act when a ship is, is experiencing like a wreck.

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  You know what Trevor sounds like right now?

• 1:10:59Speaker 00

  And class and.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for me, that movie. Pilot that says, I skipped the whole theory part, and I just did the practical only.

• 1:11:06Trevor Noah?

  No, what I'm, what I'm saying is.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  You need to know how the instruments work.

• 1:11:09Trevor Noah?

  Yes, but what I'm saying is, I'm saying.

• 1:11:11Speaker 00

  I know where the knobs are on the steering wheel, I can fly this thing.

• 1:11:14Trevor Noah?

  I'm saying that there's enough in Titanic.

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  He was like, fuck, take off, I mean, I'm mid-flight, I'm your guy.

• 1:11:21Trevor Noah?

  There's enough, there's enough in Titanic.

• 1:11:23Speaker 00

  Where are you going, Mr. and Mrs. Telequany?

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  You're at the back?

• 1:11:31Trevor Noah?

  I'm just trying to make the world a better place.

• 1:11:34Speaker 02

  No, the world.

• 1:11:34Trevor Noah?

  Through art and through.

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  The ability to overconsume, to binge porn, is the greatest invention.

• 1:11:41Trevor Noah?

  Oh, my god, it's the worst thing that's ever happened to us.

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  It is the sanctimony that which men marriages are lying on.

• 1:11:48Trevor Noah?

  Not?

• 1:11:49Speaker 00

  Because it's not, it's bad.

• 1:11:50Trevor Noah?

  It's the worst thing that's ever happened to us. It's the worst, my friend. It's the same as fast food, it is, it is convenient, but it's not good for us. I'm not denying the convenience, I'm somebody who has partaken in fast food, but I'm going.

• 1:12:03Speaker 00

  Which one you were going to?

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  You know, but I'm about to be honest.

• 1:12:07Trevor Noah?

  But the speed, I'm saying, I also acknowledge that, especially for us as men, it is not good, the speed that we can consume copious amounts of porn, I don't think it is good for us, is what I'm saying. Whether you can do a thing and whether the thing is good for you, I separate into two different categories.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  Okay, so with a storyline, that's the problem.

• 1:12:26Trevor Noah?

  And, yeah, what I'm, so, so I'm saying there's two parts to it, one, the fact that you can just skip straight to sex part.

• 1:12:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:34Trevor Noah?

  The, I, of my own brain, I just go like, I wonder what this does to guys when they can just go to sex part.

• 1:12:44Speaker 02

  How, how we wish the world was like that.

• 1:12:47Trevor Noah?

  You see, this is what I'm saying.

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  Now I'm there, are you comfortable? Hey, Baba, we know what we want here, wait up.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  My man, this is, this is how men want the world to be, the skip button should exist, we should know what we're in for.

• 1:13:04Trevor Noah?

  But that's life, that's exactly my point, I'm saying, I acknowledge that in life. Remember, I, as Jay-Z would say, I know I'm guilty of it too.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  But?

• 1:13:14Trevor Noah?

  I know I'm guilty of it too.

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  But?

• 1:13:17Trevor Noah?

  But all I'm acknowledging here is, some things may not be better for us just because we like them more. That's all I'm saying, so I'm saying, just because we can watch more porn, just because we can, even the wanting to skip, in life, in, okay, I'll give you a perfect example from my life.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  Does that include porn?

• 1:13:41Trevor Noah?

  You'll tell me at the end of the story.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Okay, so.

• 1:13:46Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:48Trevor Noah?

  It was priceless, so.

• 1:13:50Speaker 00

  See, I'm invested in the story. I mean, but you're right.

• 1:13:53Trevor Noah?

  I love theme parks and roller coasters. Love them, love them, love them my whole life. America has some of the best, craziest theme parks you've ever been to. When I first got to California, my friend David Meyer was like, yo, let's go, took me to a theme park, Six Flags. The wildest, I mean, I came from a place where we only had one roller coaster that did a loop and it only did one loop. No, Anaconda was later on.

• 1:14:21Speaker 02

  Oh, a gold rift city.

• 1:14:22Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, there was the, there was just the one that did a loop.

• 1:14:25Speaker 02

  Okay, okay.

• 1:14:26Trevor Noah?

  That was it.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:14:27Trevor Noah?

  We had one loop in my entire existence and that was it. Okay. Came to a country where there were loops, plural, on multiple rides.

• 1:14:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:14:39Trevor Noah?

  I was in heaven. The only thing that got me was, man, I just, the lines, I was like, it's like you wait an hour and then you ride for like forty seconds. You wait an hour and you ride for like forty seconds and maybe a minute if you're lucky. Thirty sec, twenty, you're like, how quick are these rides? But you're waiting for an hour every single time. And all I dreamed of was like, man, I wish there was a way to skip the lines. I wish there was a skip to lines. Fast forward a few years. I then discover a thing that you can buy at theme parks where they let you skip the line completely. You skip the line.

• 1:15:16Speaker 00

  Beautiful.

• 1:15:16Trevor Noah?

  Right? Skip the line and then on like certain days, if you're a member as well, there's fewer people in the park as well.

• 1:15:22Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:15:23Trevor Noah?

  So essentially you don't wait and you can re-ride as much as you want. I go, I'm definitely getting this. Go to the theme park. My usual, I go to all the rides that I normally love. This time I ride them multiple times and I go straight to the next one, no waiting and I ride, ride. No exaggeration. The first time I went to the park or the times I'd go, the full experience of being at the park would have taken me probably like seven hours, I would say, somewhere around four to seven hours, depending on, you know?

• 1:15:51Speaker 02

  Before you had the

• 1:15:52Trevor Noah?

  The flash pass.

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:54Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:15:54Trevor Noah?

  When I had that super pass and all these things, I was able to do like all the rides because we're like running between them as well. I think we were able to do like all the rides in maybe two hours, two and a half, somewhere there.

• 1:16:05Speaker 00

  Every ride.

• 1:16:06Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, all the ones we wanted to do, not because there's also the spinning cups. I don't need that.

• 1:16:09Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:16:10Trevor Noah?

  I'm not counting the cups.

• 1:16:11Speaker 00

  You're on the elephant, it's like, I paid for this.

• 1:16:13Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, no.

• 1:16:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:15Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 1:16:17Trevor Noah?

  I have never felt that sick. I've never had a worse headache.

• 1:16:23Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:23Trevor Noah?

  Like, I felt horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible. And it was only then that I realized that while I wished I could have skipped through every single moment in a theme park and just gotten to the rides, part of the reason the rides were so enjoyable and exciting is because they were the culmination of the mundane and oftentimes laborious process of waiting in a line for a long time. I did not appreciate, nor do I, I'm not going to magically say I appreciate them now.

• 1:16:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:16:53Trevor Noah?

  But it just made me realize, oh, because this thing was not what I was looking for and I, oh, I knew it was part of the process. That's all I looked forward to. And when I got there, I was like, yeah. But when you just gave me that alone, it actually didn't feel as good and I didn't wish to replicate that.

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Or you didn't get the satisfaction.

• 1:17:12Speaker 00

  But what I remember too is like when I would go to theme parks and Six Flags in high school, I would go with my friends. And I feel like I remember the experience of waiting in line with my friends as much as anything else because you're trying to pass the time.

• 1:17:26Trevor Noah?

  That's exactly what I'm saying.

• 1:17:27Speaker 00

  Movie game or something like that. And that was fun.

• 1:17:29Trevor Noah?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 1:17:29Speaker 00

  Didn't remember the roller coaster because I had a concussion from it, so.

• 1:17:33Trevor Noah?

  Wait, really?

• 1:17:33Speaker 00

  No, no, but like.

• 1:17:34Trevor Noah?

  Oh, okay. I thought you, I was like, damn, Devin, I was like, your family and moving objects.

• 1:17:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, yeah.

• 1:17:39Trevor Noah?

  I was like, Devin, we need to talk about moving objects.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Devin, don't you want to move back from there?

• 1:17:43Trevor Noah?

  You just, so all I'm saying is, I'm with you a thousand percent on the like, one side I go like, I understand, we all want to go to the thing we want.

• 1:17:50Speaker 00

  To the thing.

• 1:17:51Trevor Noah?

  We all want to skip to the thing.

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  Skip the corners.

• 1:17:53Speaker 00

  I feel it now, parenting so much where anything that where you can tell it's like a dopamine cycle. It's just immediately, and I see it with my kids in Mario Kart, where you're like, it's just like, do the race, ah, am I going to come in first place? Yes, I did. Okay, start another one. It's just a cycle of, and as opposed to growing up, I, the games I loved were games that had like stories.

• 1:18:14Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:14Speaker 00

  Where, oh, you got to unfold the narrative and you got to solve a problem and whatever. As opposed to just like, and do it, uh huh, like it's, you can tell that it's like, the kids will like just lose it when you have to turn that off because they get so invested in that cycle.

• 1:18:29Trevor Noah?

  Even, even, even, let's say, Super Mario Brothers itself.

• 1:18:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:33Trevor Noah?

  If you look at the pacing of action versus, it's like you're just moving along. Plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, plop, whoop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, like it's whoop, boop, boop, boop.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  That really got fun.

• 1:18:45Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, that, yeah, but what I'm saying is though, you'd be surprised at how much of it is not anything happening technically.

• 1:18:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:18:52Trevor Noah?

  It's just you breaking bricks. There's nothing on the screen with you. There's no, what are they called? Gumbas?

• 1:18:57Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:18:58Trevor Noah?

  There's no gumbas, there's no turtles, there's none of that.

• 1:19:01Speaker 02

  Those flowers.

• 1:19:02Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, but there's none of it for a lot of the game. And it's the moments where they punctuate the like stillness that, that gives you, you know what I mean?

• 1:19:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:09Trevor Noah?

  Whereas a game like Mario Kart, to your point, you are constantly inundated with all the colors, all the sounds, all the flashing, all the, there's never a moment where like nothing is happening.

• 1:19:20Speaker 00

  Down, there's no story.

• 1:19:21Trevor Noah?

  There you go.

• 1:19:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:19:23Trevor Noah?

  So I'm, again, that's, I'm not saying, I'm physically, I'm a thousand percent with you. There's a part of my brain that goes like, yeah, but don't remember. And funny enough, in life, you are the person who will force me to go outside and do things because you yourself believe in this as a concept.

• 1:19:38Speaker 02

  Because I've watched porn quickly.

• 1:19:39Trevor Noah?

  You forced me.

• 1:19:40Speaker 02

  And then I go, I have time, you see? If, if I was watching porn storylines, where would you and I be walking at the park?

• 1:19:49Speaker 02

  Now I'm three hours and I'm waiting for the bra to come off.

• 1:19:52Trevor Noah?

  Too shame, my friend, well, I mean, you, you wanted to win, so you won. I can't, there's nothing I can do. Don't press anything. We've got more. What now after this? The Avengers is the perfect allegory for the Democrats in America.

• 1:20:09Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Tell me more.

• 1:20:12Trevor Noah?

  It is like the, if you, if you watch the movie and if you like, look at like the Democrats in America, you go, this, to me, it almost seems like somebody did it on purpose. They went, let's make a story about people who like to see themselves as heroes, but when they have the power, don't actually do anything with it.

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• 1:22:31Trevor Noah?

  Yo, by the way, have you watched Digger?

• 1:22:32Speaker 00

  Not yet.

• 1:22:33Trevor Noah?

  Hey, please go watch it.

• 1:22:34Speaker 00

  I will. I've heard people who have seen it are like, you gotta see it. So, yeah.

• 1:22:38Trevor Noah?

  That's, that's all it needs.

• 1:22:40Speaker 00

  Okay, alright. I definitely wanna see it.

• 1:22:42Trevor Noah?

  I was saying to Eugene, I'm tired of movies that everyone walks out of being like, "That was great, wasn't it?" We're all just like mindless minions, like, "That was wonderful, wasn't it?" Boring.

• 1:22:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. I'm a Tom Cruise apolo- like, anything, anything.

• 1:22:57Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but Digger? Let me tell you something now. I'll say, number one, if he's not nominated for an Oscar, then I don't understand what Oscars are about.

• 1:23:04Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:23:04Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  Doesn't win?

• 1:23:06Trevor Noah?

  Yeah. Win, I, I see. Win is always like a quirky thing.

• 1:23:09Speaker 00

  See, cause Magnolia for me, I was like, he really has it.

• 1:23:12Trevor Noah?

  Let me tell you something.

• 1:23:13Speaker 00

  Has that, like, the depth of a mo- for Digger?

• 1:23:16Trevor Noah?

  If he doesn't get nominated for Digger, then I don't understand what acting nominations are about.

• 1:23:20Speaker 00

  I'm excited.

• 1:23:21Trevor Noah?

  Okay?

• 1:23:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:21Trevor Noah?

  That's for me. Secondly, the movie itself. You, you just, when was the last time you went to a movie where you genuinely did not know what was gonna happen? I love Spider-Man as much as anybody else.

• 1:23:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:35Trevor Noah?

  But there is no part of the movie where I truly believe that Peter Parker's gonna die. There's none.

• 1:23:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's funny, cause I just started, I had never watched any David Lynch, anything. I just, missed me, however.

• 1:23:46Trevor Noah?

  What does he make? What's?

• 1:23:47Speaker 00

  Twin Peaks, he did this movie Mulholland Drive.

• 1:23:50Trevor Noah?

  Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:51Speaker 00

  He did the original Dune, the one with Kyle MacLachlan.

• 1:23:53Trevor Noah?

  There was an original Dune?

• 1:23:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:55Trevor Noah?

  I didn't know this.

• 1:23:56Speaker 00

  Eighties.

• 1:23:56Trevor Noah?

  I didn't know.

• 1:23:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, but he has these very like, when you watch, they're, they're gonna come to South Africa like two weeks.

• 1:24:05Speaker 00

  We just got in the theater. Ah, I can't wait to watch the second half of it. Matrix and then, yeah.

• 1:24:12Trevor Noah?

  No, it was Devil's Advocate for sure, but carry on.

• 1:24:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So, um, but in Twin Peaks, it, he talks about that of like the, you're playing with images and sound and to just do something unexpected to keep the audience on their toes. And there are things where like, some episodes started and there was a dinner table and someone was in like a full like, indigenous headdress and then someone else comes in with baguettes and they're like eating them sideways. I'm like, I genuinely don't know what the next shot of this is gonna be. And it's so, you're just like glued to it.

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, Digger's gonna take you there.

• 1:24:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, Digger.

• 1:24:43Speaker 00

  I'm excited for that.

• 1:24:44Trevor Noah?

  I'm, I'm in.

• 1:24:45Speaker 00

  But there's not, yeah, cause we're so used to it, like, paint by numbers kinda thing.

• 1:24:48Trevor Noah?

  And that's what disappointed me is that there's not one review, this is what, what, what bothered me actually. Is that there's no review that I've read that was positive. Then I go, then that's wrong.

• 1:24:56Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:24:57Trevor Noah?

  You can't tell me, if a film has 50% of the viewers, 50% going, "We hated it," 50% saying, "We loved it."

• 1:25:04Speaker 00

  Right.

• 1:25:04Trevor Noah?

  And no review says it's good, then I'm like, no, then you reviewers are all on the same bandwagon.

• 1:25:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:09Trevor Noah?

  There's gotta be one reviewer who says, "No, no, no."

• 1:25:11Speaker 00

  My, the favorite, yeah.

• 1:25:12Trevor Noah?

  Forget what, forget what everyone's saying. I'll tell you why this movie's amazing. Does that make sense?

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:19Trevor Noah?

  You, you can't all have the same taste of a thing that the audience doesn't have the all same taste of, is what I'm saying.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  And opposing taste at that. It's not like, it's positive, it's like, ah, it sucks, yeah.

• 1:25:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  That movie is good.

• 1:25:32Trevor Noah?

  Something, man. How far are you in Marvel, by the way, with the kids? He's doing this thing where he's introducing, you're introducing them to Marvel movies, right?

• 1:25:40Speaker 00

  Yes. And we got through Infinity War, we got through Endgame, and now, they released the whole Doomsday list of, and now it's like you have to go back to X-Men from 2000. So, we watched-

• 1:25:51Trevor Noah?

  To understand Doomsday.

• 1:25:52Speaker 00

  Yes. It's, I don't know, they put it out there, like, here's all the things. I'm like, you have to call this the Doomsday Preppers list. I don't know why they're like, here are the movies you need to watch. Again, sad anniversary. You gotta think of the branding.

• 1:26:03Trevor Noah?

  I like that. Doomsday Prep list is nice, yeah.

• 1:26:05Speaker 00

  Doomsday Prep list. So then, we watched, uh, we've done all of them. Loved Endgame. And then we saw Endgame in the theater. Because they re-released it.

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  You can't just go to Africa.

• 1:26:18Speaker 00

  Kids, you need to know, come in the halfway point. What do you mean, they're dust? What are you talking about? Yeah, I'm so confused. Um, but no, so we did that and then we've slowly been making our way through and trying to figure it out. But then, we keep seeing these little leaks of like what it's gonna be like, cause the kids are eight and five. I'm like, I don't wanna traumatize them forever.

• 1:26:35Trevor Noah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you, you gotta know ahead of time.

• 1:26:38Speaker 00

  What it's gonna be. And we're not even telling them like who's playing Doctor Doom.

• 1:26:40Trevor Noah?

  No, you can't.

• 1:26:41Speaker 00

  And that almost was spoiled today for, for one of our kids and we're just like, ah, like, how do we, how do we keep it secret? So.

• 1:26:48Trevor Noah?

  What was their favorite one so far?

• 1:26:50Speaker 00

  Uh, Guardians of the Galaxy one is great. They love all the Spider-Man movies.

• 1:26:54Trevor Noah?

  I can see Guardians being good for kids, actually.

• 1:26:56Speaker 00

  It's very fun with the music.

• 1:26:57Trevor Noah?

  It's very like goofy and-

• 1:26:57Speaker 00

  And Endgame is fun, cause it's kind of like you go through it all and like there are jokes in it. So they like that.

• 1:27:04Trevor Noah?

  Wait, Endgame is the first one or the second one?

• 1:27:06Speaker 00

  Endgame is the second one.

• 1:27:07Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 1:27:08Speaker 00

  Infinity War is the first one.

• 1:27:09Trevor Noah?

  Okay, cool, okay, okay. Always makes those, yes. No, in my head, Endgame makes more sense for the first one. I think every time I hear that.

• 1:27:17Speaker 00

  Do you think it's the first of the two?

• 1:27:18Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, in my head.

• 1:27:19Speaker 00

  Cause it was gonna be Infinity War Part One, Infinity War Part Two, but now then it was like, eh, Endgame. Yeah.

• 1:27:24Trevor Noah?

  Okay, yeah, yeah.

• 1:27:24Speaker 00

  We're in the Endgame now, whatever.

• 1:27:25Trevor Noah?

  Right, right.

• 1:27:26Speaker 00

  But, uh, it's fun. And like, they are, it's hard to know when, it's weird watching X-Men, because movies didn't have to do as much then. Because there's so much backstory you get now and you get like the origin story. I feel like maybe it started around Batman Begins or whatever, but like, there's literally moments in X-Men where like, "This is Storm, she controls the weather." And you're like, that's the whole thing. Halle Berry is like, "Hi, I'm Storm," like, no.

• 1:27:53Speaker 00

  Not as complicated. But like, they, obviously it's changed so much, but I'm like, oh, it's, but it's weird for them to go back and watch it, cause that's, that's an old movie then, it's 26 years ago.

• 1:28:02Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, that's a good damn.

• 1:28:03Speaker 00

  But then you look at Hugh Jackman and you're like, he hasn't aged. You're like, maybe he really is Wolverine. Cause like, we didn't know.

• 1:28:09Trevor Noah?

  He actually has fared very well.

• 1:28:10Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:28:10Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:11Speaker 00

  He's like more Jack than he was.

• 1:28:13Trevor Noah?

  He has, he has fared really well.

• 1:28:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:28:15Trevor Noah?

  Watching them again, I, so I watched Endgame again the other day. I feel even like, even more than before. For me, The Avengers is the perfect allegory for the Democrats in America. Yes.

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  Tell me more.

• 1:28:35Trevor Noah?

  It is like the, if you, if you watch the movie and if you like look at like the Democrats in America, you go, this, to me, it almost seems like somebody did it on purpose. They went, "Let's make a story about people who like to see themselves as heroes, but when they have the power, don't actually do anything with it." They like to fight against the bad guy, but they do not like to do anything to prevent bad guy-ness from happening again.

• 1:28:58Speaker 00

  And they're always letting their own interior squabbles stop them from preventing Thanos.

• 1:29:03Trevor Noah?

  There's a guy who's watched the movie.

• 1:29:04Speaker 00

  "I am mad at Captain America and I'm not going to talk to him."

• 1:29:07Trevor Noah?

  You're like, guys, the, the whole movie, when you, when you watch it now with fresh eyes and not surprised, the whole movie is a group of heroes who are not doing the thing that they need to do before it happens.

• 1:29:17Speaker 02

  Who are not being heroes.

• 1:29:19Trevor Noah?

  Because they go, "Yo, we need to break your stone." And then he's like, "No, it's my stone."

• 1:29:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:29:23Trevor Noah?

  "I don't want to break the stone." They're like, "Yo, bro, you gotta just break the stone so that the guy can't kill the universe or do whatever with the universe." And he's like, "No, I'm, it's my stone." Even when he sees how strong the dude is, he's still like, "No, it's my stone." Same with Wanda.

• 1:29:36Speaker 00

  And Vision.

• 1:29:37Trevor Noah?

  Vision goes, "Yo."

• 1:29:37Speaker 00

  No one in Wakanda was like, "Come on."

• 1:29:39Trevor Noah?

  Guys, Vision goes like, "Break the stone." He's like, "I'm a robot, just break the stone." And she's like, "No, I'm not gonna lose you." He's like, "The, you, you, the universe might die." She's like, "I don't care." One, ah, guys.

• 1:29:52Speaker 02

  I thought you liked romance.

• 1:29:54Trevor Noah?

  Guys, one, one person.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  Okay, so if she breaks the stone from, is it that weird guy who looks like a, a sex toy?

• 1:30:04Speaker 00

  You know, if you keep watching very well into the plot.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  Is it him?

• 1:30:07Speaker 00

  Eventually. Yes, yes.

• 1:30:09Trevor Noah?

  That's the guy.

• 1:30:09Speaker 02

  So he has it over here?

• 1:30:10Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:30:11Speaker 02

  So he says to her, so she's in a relationship with him?

• 1:30:14Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:30:14Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:30:15Speaker 02

  So she, he says, "No, take this thing out."

• 1:30:17Trevor Noah?

  Destroy it. You have the power to destroy it. Kill me.

• 1:30:19Speaker 02

  Yes. But then she says?

• 1:30:21Trevor Noah?

  "No, I can't kill you."

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  And then, why can't he do it himself?

• 1:30:25Trevor Noah?

  He doesn't have the power.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  To take it out of his own head?

• 1:30:27Trevor Noah?

  No, he doesn't have the power to destroy it. So, cause even if you take it out of your head, you have to destroy the stone.

• 1:30:34Speaker 02

  Maybe the deeper question we should ask is, why was he so desperate to get out of that relationship? He even risked his own life. No, seriously, kill me.

• 1:30:43Trevor Noah?

  No, but for real.

• 1:30:43Speaker 00

  Voice the AI in Wakanda? Couldn't you have chimed in at that moment like, "Ah, just do it, it's fine."

• 1:30:48Trevor Noah?

  I wasn't in any of those movies.

• 1:30:50Speaker 00

  But in Black Panther, technically you're in the universe.

• 1:30:52Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, yeah, but I didn't, I wish I could've just said, I think Ryan Coogler would've cut me out if I was just randomly like, "By the way, guys, let's go get rid of the stones." No. The, like, they, they could've gotten rid of the stone, they could've gotten rid of it when, with, they could've gotten rid of Vision's one. They, they had so many chances.

• 1:31:07Speaker 00

  Every time.

• 1:31:08Trevor Noah?

  Chris Pratt at some point, when they've got Thanos, then he like deviates from the plan because he has his own interrogation that he wants to go, "Where's my girlfriend? Where's my girlfriend?" You're like, "Is this the time, my friend?"

• 1:31:18Speaker 00

  But that feels like, oh, go ahead.

• 1:31:19Trevor Noah?

  Is this the time?

• 1:31:20Speaker 02

  No, no, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

• 1:31:21Speaker 00

  No, I feel like that's the point of the two trilogies is, they're not willing to sacrifice anything to prevent it from happening.

• 1:31:29Trevor Noah?

  Okay.

• 1:31:29Speaker 00

  They're like, "I'm not gonna sacrifice Vision, I'm not gonna sacrifice the time stone, I'm not gonna do it." And Thanos is like, "Man, I love my daughter." And there she goes. And so he's like, "Oh, I did sacrifice something."

• 1:31:39Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:31:39Speaker 00

  And he loves her. So that he gets it and then he's able to do that. In Endgame, spoiler, if anyone has it for the, but if it's not released in your country yet, then they are, they have to sacrifice Natasha.

• 1:31:54Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but-

• 1:31:54Speaker 00

  So they have to do it and they're willing to sacrifice things and they're willing to go back and sacrifice things.

• 1:31:58Trevor Noah?

  So this is why I say it's a perfect, you know why it's a perfect analogy for like the Democrats or the Democratic establishment as it exists now? They're more than, they're more than happy, yeah. They're more than happy to fail.

• 1:32:09Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:32:10Trevor Noah?

  And then fight back just to get back to the way things were. Think about how unimaginative this group of people is.

• 1:32:16Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:32:16Trevor Noah?

  Thanos gets the, the stones and he goes, "I'm going to snap my fingers and create a universe that is like this. I'm going to get rid of half the people, this is what I'm gonna do, this is what I'm doing with my power," right? They get the stones and then they go, "We're just gonna snap things back to the way they were exactly."

• 1:32:33Speaker 00

  But four years with the time delay.

• 1:32:35Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but still, you're just gonna snap it back to the way things were.

• 1:32:38Speaker 02

  So they snapped it back to how things were?

• 1:32:40Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:32:40Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:32:41Trevor Noah?

  But that's my point. That's exactly what I'm saying.

• 1:32:45Speaker 02

  At least Thanos had a vision of being a subsistence farmer.

• 1:32:48Trevor Noah?

  My friend, you, you, we're on the same page. He, him and I fight about this because I say Thanos was actually the good guy in the movie.

• 1:32:53Speaker 00

  I've been on.

• 1:32:54Trevor Noah?

  But he disagrees.

• 1:32:56Speaker 00

  Good guy.

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was.

• 1:32:57Trevor Noah?

  Yes, he was.

• 1:32:57Speaker 00

  Good guy.

• 1:32:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:58Speaker 00

  You think so too?

• 1:32:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I love his.

• 1:32:59Speaker 00

  Why is he the good guy?

• 1:33:00Trevor Noah?

  I, again, I'm going to clarify the statement.

• 1:33:02Speaker 00

  Clarify.

• 1:33:03Trevor Noah?

  I do not agree with any of his actions.

• 1:33:04Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 1:33:05Trevor Noah?

  I do not agree with how he was gonna do what he was gonna do.

• 1:33:08Speaker 00

  You were saying about Elon.

• 1:33:09Trevor Noah?

  I do not agree with anything he was gonna do.

• 1:33:11Speaker 02

  Oh, wow.

• 1:33:11Trevor Noah?

  However. However.

• 1:33:14Speaker 00

  Thanos' anthem, I know which one he is.

• 1:33:17Trevor Noah?

  However, I will say this, I will say this.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  Tell us.

• 1:33:21Trevor Noah?

  Thanos, in my opinion, I go, this guy was the good guy. Right?

• 1:33:27Speaker 00

  Good guy.

• 1:33:28Trevor Noah?

  Let me tell you why. It's just that we're not told the story from his perspective, so immediately we're biased against him.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:33:34Trevor Noah?

  Okay, we're not told it from his perspective. They also make him look ugly to us. So we go, he must be the bad guy. Cause he looks ugly and his, his people around him are ugly to us, so we.

• 1:33:44Speaker 00

  Yeah, but Hulk is ugly too.

• 1:33:46Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no, they give him glasses, they make him cute.

• 1:33:49Speaker 00

  No, not in that first one. Not in the first one.

• 1:33:51Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, but Hulk is like, they're like.

• 1:33:52Speaker 02

  Hulk is still human, yeah.

• 1:33:54Trevor Noah?

  Yes, yeah, yeah, we go, that, that's Hulk is the ugly side of Banner.

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:33:58Trevor Noah?

  But like, when she comes and like grabs his face, is Bruce, Bruce? And it's like, oh, cute Hulk.

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:03Trevor Noah?

  So, we think of Thanos as being bad because he's not traditionally good looking.

• 1:34:07Speaker 00

  Pretty privileged.

• 1:34:08Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, he doesn't have pretty privilege.

• 1:34:09Speaker 00

  Fair, fair.

• 1:34:10Trevor Noah?

  And because we're not told the story from his perspective.

• 1:34:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:13Trevor Noah?

  Okay? The Avengers, on the other hand.

• 1:34:17Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:34:17Trevor Noah?

  The Avengers.

• 1:34:18Speaker 02

  Entitled bunch.

• 1:34:20Trevor Noah?

  Thank you, Eugene.

• 1:34:21Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:34:21Trevor Noah?

  Go around breaking shit.

• 1:34:23Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:34:23Trevor Noah?

  Never fixing things.

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:34:24Trevor Noah?

  Just delete the, guys, Iron Man, let's just talk about one of these heroes, just one. Wait, just one, just one, Devin. This guy has, how many Iron Mans that we don't know about until he decides to release them?

• 1:34:38Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:34:38Trevor Noah?

  At like some random point of a fight where he's like, okay, guys, pew pew pew pew pew pew pew.

• 1:34:43Speaker 02

  And they're all autonomous, yeah.

• 1:34:44Trevor Noah?

  Dude, you could have told us this at the beginning.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:34:47Trevor Noah?

  You could have led with that. These things could have been building low cost housing, these things could have been out there helping people in floods. No, you kept them in your basement.

• 1:34:54Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 1:34:54Trevor Noah?

  And then only when you're like, okay, okay, okay, okay, I don't wanna lose this fight, now I release them? And you still get fucked up. Thank you.

• 1:35:00Speaker 00

  But so then, but I don't think that makes Thanos the good guy. I think that could be like the Avengers are bad or morally complicated or whatever.

• 1:35:08Trevor Noah?

  So why isn't he, why isn't he morally complicated? Why is he the bad guy?

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:11Speaker 00

  Well, because he kill, I mean, to quote Dr. Banner, killed trillions.

• 1:35:16Trevor Noah?

  He didn't, he didn't kill.

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  Didn't kill anyone.

• 1:35:17Trevor Noah?

  He disappeared.

• 1:35:18Speaker 00

  No, killed, come on.

• 1:35:19Speaker 02

  They're not there anymore.

• 1:35:19Speaker 00

  Come on.

• 1:35:20Trevor Noah?

  They're just not there.

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

  They're not there anymore.

• 1:35:21Trevor Noah?

  They're not there.

• 1:35:22Speaker 00

  He killed, that's, what does that mean?

• 1:35:23Speaker 02

  Devin, they're not there anymore. He didn't mask them, he didn't have a private jet, he didn't have a fighter jet.

• 1:35:28Speaker 00

  But the effect is the same.

• 1:35:29Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no, no, no, that's like saying condoms are responsible for mass murder.

• 1:35:34Speaker 02

  The effect is the same.

• 1:35:35Trevor Noah?

  My friend is back.

• 1:35:38Speaker 02

  The effect is the same.

• 1:35:39Trevor Noah?

  Ah, there we go.

• 1:35:40Speaker 00

  I feel like you've used that line before.

• 1:35:42Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:35:43Speaker 00

  Oh, what, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be a mass murderer?

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  He's got a quirk in his eye, that was pure inspiration.

• 1:35:48Trevor Noah?

  No, you can't say that.

• 1:35:50Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 1:35:50Trevor Noah?

  You can't say the effect is gonna be the same, cause then time is a murderer.

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  What you just did was this.

• 1:35:55Trevor Noah?

  Is time the greatest murderer of all time then?

• 1:35:57Speaker 00

  But time doesn't have agency in it, time is just time.

• 1:35:59Trevor Noah?

  Ah, you say that until we meet Father Time, and then you're like, oh, you've been doing this to us the whole time.

• 1:36:04Speaker 00

  That's fair.

• 1:36:04Trevor Noah?

  I could have, I could have spent more time with my grandmother, then he's like, not if I can do it. No.

• 1:36:08Speaker 00

  He's a, he might have what in his mind is a noble aim, but it's a bad.

• 1:36:13Trevor Noah?

  Which is all heroes.

• 1:36:14Speaker 00

  Yes, and, but also all villains. Every villain has an aim that they think is noble.

• 1:36:19Trevor Noah?

  No, a good villain.

• 1:36:20Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:36:21Trevor Noah?

  That's something we, we agree, like, I think we've experienced, I know this is a bit of a tangent. I think one of the things that's hurting society, and I, I actually wish this for kids. Hollywood needs to make better villains.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:33Trevor Noah?

  So that kids don't grow up thinking that the world is as simple.

• 1:36:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:36:37Trevor Noah?

  As good and bad.

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:36:40Trevor Noah?

  You wanna grow up going, damn, the bad guy was the good guy and, like, like we've always talked about with Black Panther.

• 1:36:48Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 1:36:49Trevor Noah?

  You can't just say that Michael B. Jordan's character is the bad guy.

• 1:36:52Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:36:53Trevor Noah?

  Cause everything he's fighting for is good. He's saying, why is Wakanda not helping every black person all over the world?

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:36:59Trevor Noah?

  Why is, why are they hiding when they know that black people need their help? They've got this perfect paradise and they're not expanding it, they're not rescuing people.

• 1:37:08Speaker 00

  It's, it's the same thing you're talking about with Tony Stark. They're not hel, they're not helping the problem.

• 1:37:12Trevor Noah?

  They're not, right, so you can't just say he's the, that's why, that's why to me he's a good villain. Because he's the villain because he's being told from our perspective.

• 1:37:20Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:37:21Trevor Noah?

  But he's not just like a, a plain like, I'm gonna blow up the world.

• 1:37:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:26Trevor Noah?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:37:26Speaker 00

  But you get Killmonger's perspective pretty early in the movie, when you see that he's the kid and what happens to his dad.

• 1:37:31Trevor Noah?

  But now, you see, good point. That is why we do not care for Thanos, because they just don't give us a lot of his kid's story.

• 1:37:37Speaker 00

  Here's, alright, cause I've been thinking about this, here's what I'll say about Thanos. Cause why, why can't he snap things like, okay, I'm gonna solve the resource problems with a snap? I'm gonna use the stones to do that.

• 1:37:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:37:47Speaker 00

  Right? But why can't he do that? Cause now he has the ultimate power.

• 1:37:51Trevor Noah?

  So I think, I think the mistake you're making is, you're seeing somebody who has a plan and they're doing it, and then you're asking, why don't they do it another way?

• 1:37:58Speaker 02

  This was their plan.

• 1:37:59Trevor Noah?

  This is what people did with Digger, by the way.

• 1:38:00Speaker 00

  Cause it would cause less pain for other people.

• 1:38:01Trevor Noah?

  This is what the reviewers of Digger did.

• 1:38:03Speaker 00

  Really?

• 1:38:03Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, a lot of the reviews are, this movie could have been great, but why didn't it go this way? That's not a review.

• 1:38:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:09Speaker 00

  No, that's fair, but it's why I can.

• 1:38:10Speaker 02

  It's an alternate ending.

• 1:38:11Speaker 00

  Say he's doing a bad thing, I can pass judgment on the tactics that he's using to achieve his end.

• 1:38:17Trevor Noah?

  Let me, okay, can I, I'll paint with a broader brush. James Bond, put him in that same category. You know how many things James Bond could have prevented if he just was less worried about bumping people in a crowd?

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:38:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's fair.

• 1:38:32Trevor Noah?

  The, this person is running away with like, a pathogen that could kill the world's population. And you're worried that you're going to hit like three people with your motorbike.

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  A stolen motorbike at that.

• 1:38:45Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:38:45Trevor Noah?

  So what I'm saying is, to your point, I'm saying, you see, coming back to the Democrats of it all.

• 1:38:54Trevor Noah?

  They're, they're more worried about the appearance of being a good guy in this, in this moment and a kumbaya vibe. Than they are in getting the thing done.

• 1:39:04Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:39:04Trevor Noah?

  You know what I mean? That's why like now people are like, why is Mamdani popular and why are these people? Then you're like, no, in, in general in the world, I think it's because people are going, we wanna see people do things or not do things.

• 1:39:15Speaker 00

  Yes, results oriented.

• 1:39:17Trevor Noah?

  But don't make it just about like the idea of doing things.

• 1:39:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:39:20Trevor Noah?

  You want to be a good guy, but you're not.

• 1:39:21Speaker 00

  Like bureaucratic loopholes or whatever, yeah.

• 1:39:23Trevor Noah?

  Doing anything.

• 1:39:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't pretend to be busy.

• 1:39:24Trevor Noah?

  Yeah, just, okay, do things or don't do things.

• 1:39:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:28Trevor Noah?

  And that's what I mean with the Avengers and all of them, is I go, you guys were not doers. Then, by the way, you come in and then you break all your own rules, cause now you feel like it. You come in, you come, they come in and chop Thanos' head off. The guy didn't even fight them.

• 1:39:41Speaker 02

  That was not cool though.

• 1:39:43Trevor Noah?

  The guy didn't fight them at all.

• 1:39:44Speaker 00

  Well, he didn't have, he could, he didn't have stones, the power to do it.

• 1:39:47Trevor Noah?

  What do you mean?

• 1:39:48Speaker 02

  But he still had his bare hands.

• 1:39:50Speaker 00

  When they come in, yeah.

• 1:39:51Trevor Noah?

  No, he just, so the.

• 1:39:52Speaker 00

  Oh, but he kinda gave up.

• 1:39:53Trevor Noah?

  He destroyed the stones with his second snap.

• 1:39:55Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:39:55Trevor Noah?

  Now, that is a very altruistic thing.

• 1:39:57Speaker 00

  Here's what I will say.

• 1:39:58Trevor Noah?

  Wait, he destroys the stones.

• 1:39:59Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:40:00Trevor Noah?

  That's, that's a man who's like, I'm not interested in just having this for no reason.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:03Trevor Noah?

  Stone's gone, now I'm gonna do farming, okay? Farm to table, very good thing, by the way. Subsistence farming. They come in, they've got him, he puts up no fight, they chop off his head. What kind of justice system is this, Devin?

• 1:40:17Speaker 02

  Wait, so, they, they went to Shangri-La and then found him hanging out, having kombucha, and then what happened?

• 1:40:24Trevor Noah?

  They just chop off his head.

• 1:40:25Speaker 02

  Who walked in?

• 1:40:26Speaker 00

  Well, Thor did it.

• 1:40:26Speaker 02

  It sounds like a Thor thing, this thing.

• 1:40:28Trevor Noah?

  They all come in, but then Thor, because he's blaming himself for what happened previously.

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  For missing him that time.

• 1:40:32Trevor Noah?

  He just chops off his head.

• 1:40:34Speaker 02

  No questions.

• 1:40:34Trevor Noah?

  No questions. They've, they've got, they've got him, they've got Thanos, then they just kill him.

• 1:40:38Speaker 00

  But they were, they had, no, yeah.

• 1:40:40Trevor Noah?

  But they didn't have to kill him then.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  So what does killing solve?

• 1:40:42Speaker 00

  No, they didn't have to kill him.

• 1:40:43Trevor Noah?

  It doesn't, that's my point.

• 1:40:44Speaker 00

  Revenge, yes.

• 1:40:45Trevor Noah?

  That's my point.

• 1:40:45Speaker 00

  But wait.

• 1:40:46Trevor Noah?

  How can I, is that a good guy?

• 1:40:47Speaker 00

  You don't have to. I'm not saying you have to call anybody a good guy, I'm saying Thanos is a bad guy.

• 1:40:52Trevor Noah?

  Devin.

• 1:40:52Speaker 00

  Here's, wait, I'll, let me, allow me to retort this.

• 1:40:54Trevor Noah?

  Then who's the good guy?

• 1:40:55Speaker 00

  I, I'm not, I don't have to deal with the binaries.

• 1:41:01Speaker 00

  But however, here's Thanos, if, let's say you are of that opinion. Thanos is so lazy. He has a problem.

• 1:41:11Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:41:11Speaker 00

  That he wants to solve.

• 1:41:12Trevor Noah?

  The world, the universe has a problem.

• 1:41:14Speaker 00

  Overpopulated.

• 1:41:15Trevor Noah?

  Let's go with this, the hu, the universe.

• 1:41:16Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:41:16Trevor Noah?

  Cause he said, I've been to countless worlds, remember, he, he's done research and he's traveled.

• 1:41:20Speaker 00

  Yes, he spent however long.

• 1:41:22Trevor Noah?

  Most of our heroes have never even left their planet, they don't even have intergalactic passports.

• 1:41:27Speaker 00

  He has this plan to do this, I'm gonna get all of the stones.

• 1:41:30Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:41:31Speaker 00

  And then as soon as I get the stones, I have my retirement house, guys. I wanna go to my, I got this farm. He wants to retire that quickly, when he can travel anywhere, he could do anything, he can control any reality.

• 1:41:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:44Speaker 00

  But once you, the minute you get the stones, he's not choosing to do anything worthwhile with the stones.

• 1:41:49Trevor Noah?

  This is a, this is a criticism I can accept.

• 1:41:51Speaker 00

  He gets it, immediately he's just like, oh, thank God, it's over, as soon as he gets it.

• 1:41:55Speaker 02

  That's a perfect counter.

• 1:41:56Speaker 00

  That fast.

• 1:41:57Speaker 02

  Do you wanna retire at your prime like Steve Gary?

• 1:41:59Speaker 00

  Yes, he wants to retire.

• 1:42:00Speaker 02

  Or do you want, do you want to retire when you, like Mick Jagger?

• 1:42:04Trevor Noah?

  In fact, I'll even say this, Thanos to me, as an African, that appealed to me, cause I went, I've seen many African leaders go, when I get the stones, I'm just gonna do this.

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:42:13Trevor Noah?

  And then they go, hmm, this is nice, maybe I'll stay around snapping my fingers a bit more.

• 1:42:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:17Trevor Noah?

  And the next thing you know, we end up with Mugabe's and Gaddafi's. But if he had. Where when they started, it was amazing. So I think Thanos also maybe went, it's not about retiring, he went, he says, this is too much power.

• 1:42:28Speaker 00

  Is that why he had to get the stones in Africa? Because that was the metaphor? That he had to be in Wakanda?

• 1:42:34Trevor Noah?

  He was like, no, I think the metaphor was, because the heroes didn't do anything. You know who died more than anyone else in that movie? Wakandans.

• 1:42:42Speaker 00

  Yes, yes.

• 1:42:42Trevor Noah?

  Black people died, yo, there's no, there's no more death in that movie than in Wakanda.

• 1:42:48Speaker 00

  And they didn't get snapped back either, nothing.

• 1:42:50Trevor Noah?

  My man?

• 1:42:51Speaker 00

  Nothing.

• 1:42:51Trevor Noah?

  Obliterated.

• 1:42:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:42:53Speaker 02

  Wait, so at the end, he doesn't snap any, so.

• 1:42:56Speaker 00

  Wakandans, or as you call them, the bad guys.

• 1:43:00Speaker 00

  Just saying.

• 1:43:00Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 1:43:01Speaker 02

  So when the Democrats come there and chop Thanos' head off?

• 1:43:05Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:43:05Speaker 02

  Where's that love, where the stone, the stones are dead?

• 1:43:07Trevor Noah?

  Now they have to go to another universe to and get the stones.

• 1:43:10Speaker 02

  Yes. To bring back everyone as, as they were.

• 1:43:12Trevor Noah?

  Yes, then they make beef with, and then you see to, to another point, they don't even take into consideration the effects, because it's been years now. And then what do they do? They inflict another, another mass trauma on the world, because now, and you'll love this part of the story. They snap people back. There's people who've moved on. They're in new relationships. They're married.

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  The next thing you're.

• 1:43:33Trevor Noah?

  It's in the story, by the way. I'm not making this up. No, no, Devon, you know.

• 1:43:36Speaker 02

  And Devon just walks back in after he's been snapped out.

• 1:43:39Speaker 00

  They come back four years later. So they haven't changed. Their age hasn't changed, but.

• 1:43:44Trevor Noah?

  You come back like nothing happened. It's like a second in your world. But now your family has moved on.

• 1:43:50Speaker 02

  Four years in.

• 1:43:50Speaker 00

  They're like the Matrix, but then Titanic is back in theaters next to it. All of a sudden, even though they were three years apart.

• 1:43:56Trevor Noah?

  And now people are going, I've married, I've moved on, I've fallen in love.

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  Should have never snapped them back.

• 1:44:02Trevor Noah?

  There's parents, there's children, there's kids who are now older than their siblings, who are younger than, it's like this whole weird yo, bro.

• 1:44:09Speaker 00

  But they're alive, like, oh, now I'm older. It's like, who cares? Ah, now my birthday is different. But you're alive.

• 1:44:14Speaker 02

  They're dead.

• 1:44:15Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:44:16Speaker 02

  Or they were not just, they were just not there.

• 1:44:18Trevor Noah?

  They were just not there.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  There was no massacre. People's heads were not chopped off.

• 1:44:23Speaker 00

  But they would have effectively been dead.

• 1:44:25Speaker 02

  No, remember, they don't remember that they were not even there.

• 1:44:28Trevor Noah?

  Yes.

• 1:44:28Speaker 02

  They were not there.

• 1:44:30Trevor Noah?

  You've added double pain to the world.

• 1:44:32Speaker 00

  Didn't Thanos fail? Isn't he a, but again, he had the stones.

• 1:44:37Trevor Noah?

  I'm just saying, man.

• 1:44:38Speaker 02

  But when he did that, they just ceased to exist.

• 1:44:40Speaker 00

  If he had kept them, he could have prevented. If he is the good guy, he's a bad.

• 1:44:46Trevor Noah?

  I think flawed, I'm with you a hundred percent. Flawed, I'll take any day, and I don't think anyone is perfect in this world. I don't. But I do think when you watch that movie, you are cheering for the wrong good guy. That's why I think it is the greatest Marvel movie.

• 1:45:02Speaker 00

  You are saying the Wakandans were the bad guys?

• 1:45:04Trevor Noah?

  No.

• 1:45:05Speaker 00

  Black Panther was a bad guy. But you said the Avengers are the bad guys.

• 1:45:08Trevor Noah?

  The Avengers are the bad guys.

• 1:45:10Speaker 00

  Then why aren't the Wakandans the bad guys?

• 1:45:11Trevor Noah?

  Because the Wakandans are not in the Avengers.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  Because they're black.

• 1:45:14Speaker 00

  Black Panther's in the Avengers.

• 1:45:15Trevor Noah?

  So then you can talk about him alone.

• 1:45:16Speaker 00

  Is he a bad guy?

• 1:45:17Trevor Noah?

  T'Challa alone.

• 1:45:18Speaker 00

  Is he a bad guy in that?

• 1:45:19Trevor Noah?

  Did he have any moment in the story where he could have destroyed the stones? No, he didn't.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  He didn't have an opportunity.

• 1:45:24Speaker 00

  He could have been like, vision, no, we're doing this, we're destroying it.

• 1:45:28Speaker 02

  You're gonna tell the white lady that you're killing her husband? You think as a black man.

• 1:45:32Speaker 00

  She's filming it with her phone.

• 1:45:33Speaker 02

  She's gonna pull out her phone, call 911 on T'Challa. All of a sudden, the movie takes a weird turn. Woo, woo, wait, wait, it's not what you think. It's not what she, I've been filming him.

• 1:45:45Speaker 00

  Here, there's a problem here.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  Now all of a sudden, that headquarters gets swatted.

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  For a live stream, now the Wakandans are live, ah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:54Speaker 00

  Oh, man.

• 1:45:55Speaker 02

  Now you guys, you guys made me realize I've only watched the movies in snippets.

• 1:45:58Trevor Noah?

  You gotta watch them.

• 1:45:59Speaker 02

  I remember, I remember the big fight.

• 1:46:00Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:01Speaker 02

  Um, with.

• 1:46:02Speaker 00

  You watched them on Pornhub and just.

• 1:46:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's all I've watched.

• 1:46:05Speaker 00

  I can't go over a high, Trevor.

• 1:46:07Speaker 02

  That's all I've watched.

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  Like, I just remember the scene where they're fighting.

• 1:46:12Speaker 00

  Good guy or bad guy, it doesn't matter.

• 1:46:14Speaker 02

  They're fighting him in the rubble.

• 1:46:15Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:16Speaker 02

  Spider-Man and.

• 1:46:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:46:18Speaker 02

  I remember the part where, um, the axe almost chops him off and it's aimed for the head.

• 1:46:24Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:24Speaker 02

  I remember that part. I remember him coming out with his armor as a scarecrow.

• 1:46:29Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:30Speaker 02

  I've never watched the movie in.

• 1:46:32Trevor Noah?

  No, no, no.

• 1:46:32Speaker 00

  Retirement, his retirement community.

• 1:46:34Trevor Noah?

  Genuinely, man, that's another one. I feel like that movie should have been nominated for an Oscar. I just, I just think, I just think like that world couldn't comprehend doing something like that. But in terms of a story, in terms of the visual effects, in terms of everything, that was, forget superhero movie or not, that was an epic on the scale of like Odysseus and.

• 1:46:57Speaker 00

  And it was like the last before COVID too.

• 1:46:59Trevor Noah?

  Because I remember during, people would watch it, and that's why I wanted to take my kids

• 1:47:03Speaker 00

  to see it in the theaters. Like, you've got to experience this in a room with other people.

• 1:47:06Trevor Noah?

  With people, man.

• 1:47:07Speaker 00

  Yes, not with Kabuka.

• 1:47:09Trevor Noah?

  People left crying.

• 1:47:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:47:12Trevor Noah?

  Do you know how hard it is to make people feel like that in a movie? People left the cinema silent, in tears. You hear sobbing, you, I was like, wow, what an emotional thing to create. That's to me, not to be, you know, too pompous about like art, man. You go like, you've made people feel something. It wasn't just about munching popcorn. It really just like, ah.

• 1:47:34Speaker 00

  I remember during COVID, watching the YouTube clips of people seeing those scenes in the theaters and cheering or whatever. And if you watch it, it has like, because it's something we would deal with at the shows, like, or whatever, is like, what is the audience doing in that moment?

• 1:47:49Trevor Noah?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:50Speaker 00

  And it is a movie made for a live audience to be watching. They're like, hold for applause, wait, this thing comes, like, it has the rhythm of waiting. Like, letting people do that, which is, you don't necessarily always see that in a blockbuster movie, that like, they're anticipating what the crowd is going to be doing in that moment, which is like, why it hits that way.

• 1:48:10Speaker 02

  Too special. We're gonna do it. Doomsday next. Me and you, we've got a long list, buddy, we've got to get through it. We've got a long list. It's like there's a weekend league. We've got a long list, me and you, buddy.

• 1:48:20Speaker 00

  We've been watching the, like, the little leaks about Doomsday or whatever, like, ah, because the kids are like eight years old and five years old. And so my wife sent me a thing, because we've seen like, it's a bloodbath, whatever, like, we don't know what to believe or whatever.

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  Can they do blood?

• 1:48:33Speaker 00

  But if you watch all the X-Men movies, here's the thing.

• 1:48:35Trevor Noah?

  Okay, X-Men, X-Men had blood.

• 1:48:37Speaker 00

  Prep list, it's like X-Men, X-Men two, and then it's like Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness, who's pretty violent, then Deadpool versus Wolverine.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:48:46Speaker 00

  Hard R, hard, hard, hard R. Like, I can't show any of that to the kids. So I'm like, you have to watch that, have to, to get ready for Doomsday. So I'm like, that's, that's like a barrier.

• 1:48:58Trevor Noah?

  I don't know that that's true.

• 1:48:59Speaker 00

  Maybe, maybe not, but that's what's in there for like Deadpool or Wolverine or the timing.

• 1:49:03Trevor Noah?

  Here's what I found generally.

• 1:49:03Speaker 00

  But wait, here's, so my wife sends me this thing. Now that we're in that, we're like, okay, we're on the lookout for anything. And someone, like, she sent me a post that was like, Spider-Man has his neck broken, and that's why he can't be in. And I was like, oh, kids can't watch Spider-Man get his neck broken. I'm like, is this real? So then I click on the account and I go over and the pinned post is, the Avengers Doomsday will show Hulk's penis in the beginning of the movie. I'm like, I don't think this is a real one. However.

• 1:49:28Speaker 02

  That's exactly why I send stuff like this to Trevor. He's always there to tell me, ah, they're lying to you, yeah.

• 1:49:35Speaker 00

  But it would be a porn with a story.

• 1:49:38Speaker 02

  Oh, man, Dee, this was fun, man.

• 1:49:40Speaker 00

  This was a good time.

• 1:49:41Speaker 02

  Ah, this was too dope. Oh, man. Oh, God, this was too much fun.

• 1:49:47Trevor Noah?

  What Now with Trevor Noah is produced by Day Zero Productions in partnership with Sirius XM. The show is executive produced by Trevor Noah, Sanaz Yamin, and Jess Hackel. Rebecca Chain is our producer. Our development researcher is Marcia Robiu. Music mixing and mastering by Hannes Brown. Random other stuff by Ryan Hardouf. Thank you so much for listening. Join me next week for another episode of What Now.

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