247 - The Couple That Snapped - The Murder of Kate Waring

In this episode, Payton and Garrett unravel the chilling case of Kate Waring — a compassionate spirit whose generosity ultimately led to her tragic demise. NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case Sources - Dateline Season 20 Episode 2 - https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000000387869_01/82599ef9-4771-3382-8605-4043e36d639b?orig_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/snapped-killer-couples/crime-news/who-killed-kate-waring-heather-kamp-found-guilty Live5News.com - https://www.live5news.com/story/14363927/ethan-mack-court-kate-waring-murder/ ABCNews.com - https://abcnews4.com/archive/mack-expected-to-plead-we-will-provide-live-coverage WisTV.com - https://www.wistv.com/story/13057077/suspect-in-kate-waring-murder-pleads-guilty-to-lesser-charges/ PostAndCourier.com - https://www.postandcourier.com/suspect-in-kate-waring-murder-pleads-guilty-details-victims-final-moments/article_8d83fda5-06b7-5726-bce0-d80bf91e6e11.html CharlestonDaily.com - https://charlestondaily.net/charleston-sc-socialites-disappearance-ends-in-tragedy-story-of-kate-waring/ SportsKeeda.com - https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/dateline-secrets-uncovered-who-killed-kate-waring-why HappyScribe.com - https://www.happyscribe.com/public/dateline-nbc/strangers-on-a-train Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:43Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 1:44Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 1:45Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm the husband. Getting close to the holidays. What can I say? We have a black Christmas tree in between us.

• 1:51Payton Moreland?

  I think we mentioned it.

• 1:53Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, just kidding. Ignore that. We must have mentioned it while last week, last week, and I was not here.

• 2:00Payton Moreland?

  You definitely were.

• 2:01Garrett Moreland?

  If you don't celebrate Christmas, whatever you celebrate, we need to get like a shrine in the middle of just Christmas, Hanukkah.

• 2:08Payton Moreland?

  All the holidays.

• 2:09Garrett Moreland?

  All the hall, like every, anything anyone celebrates during.

• 2:12Payton Moreland?

  An empty bowl of nothing.

• 2:13Garrett Moreland?

  An empty bowl of nothing, just everything. Be kind of cool. Thank you for being here. Thank you for listening. Thank you for supporting us. We love you. Thank you if you listen. Thank you if you listen and pay for our extra content and ad free. We appreciate it and we're back with another episode.

• 2:33Payton Moreland?

  I think it's time for your 10 seconds.

• 2:35Garrett Moreland?

  Don't got much this week, everyone. I am sorry. No crazy raccoon stories.

• 2:39Payton Moreland?

  And how do you top the raccoon?

• 2:41Garrett Moreland?

  I know. How do you top the raccoon story? If you are curious, my favorite animal is a cheetah. Just in case, I don't know, anyone has connections with some cheetahs out there.

• 2:49Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, okay, Tiger King, calm down.

• 2:52Garrett Moreland?

  Well, not like that. Like there's some baby cubs that needed rescued and then I can come feed it with a bottle or something. No, you know what I'm saying?

• 2:59Payton Moreland?

  Okay.

• 3:00Garrett Moreland?

  No, seriously, if anyone has any connections to any baby cheetahs they rescued.

• 3:05Payton Moreland?

  A baby cheetah.

• 3:05Garrett Moreland?

  I do. I have loved cheetahs since I was a, as long as I can remember, since I've been in the womb. I love them. Anyone works at a zoo, that's a good zoo. Don't be a bad zoo. If anyone works at a good zoo or something and wants to invite me and I can come check out the baby cubs, I don't have to touch them. I just want to get close to them and just feel their presence.

• 3:33Garrett Moreland?

  I would, that, you don't understand how happy that would make me. That would, it would make me so happy. I don't, I don't have any other words for it. I just get happy thinking about it. I might tear up and cry. So please, please help me make that a reality. Please help me make that a dream come true. I will travel anywhere. I will go to any state. I will go to, will I go to any country? I probably will go to any country if the offer is juicy enough. I will do it. I will go anywhere, anytime, anyplace.

• 4:07Garrett Moreland?

  Please help me out. Also, it has to be humane. Okay, I don't want something humane. And that's all I want for Christmas is that.

• 4:15Payton Moreland?

  I actually just thought about something. I think if you've been listening to Murder With My Husband since the beginning, you probably know the lore that Garrett doesn't cry, that I had never seen him cry.

• 4:27Garrett Moreland?

  But that's not true. You've seen me cry now.

• 4:29Payton Moreland?

  I was just about to say, I'm not sure we ever updated the listeners that Garrett now cries. We broke the barrier. We cracked it.

• 4:39Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 4:39Payton Moreland?

  It was painful, but he's a, he can cry now. I've seen him cry lots.

• 4:45Garrett Moreland?

  Hey, now see me cry.

• 4:47Payton Moreland?

  So we're making progress over here.

• 4:50Garrett Moreland?

  Not sure if it was a great thing, but here we are.

• 4:54Payton Moreland?

  It was a beautiful thing.

• 4:56Garrett Moreland?

  Anyways, I will cry in front of you if you make my dream come true and I can hang out with a cub. It didn't have to be a cub. Okay, it has to be a cub, has to be a baby cheetah cub. If I can hang out with it, if I can beat it, if I can help it, someplace that rescued one. I don't even know where to look. I don't know where to start. I will do almost anything.

• 5:18Payton Moreland?

  You know how you can like adopt a dolphin?

• 5:20Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 5:20Payton Moreland?

  And you track it and stuff. Garrett wants to do that, but sponsor a cub.

• 5:23Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, but I want to, I want to be there with the cub.

• 5:26Payton Moreland?

  Yes.

• 5:27Garrett Moreland?

  Anyways, I'm beating a dead horse at the moment. Okay, a bad phrase. I am.

• 5:34Payton Moreland?

  Repeating myself and dragging on.

• 5:36Garrett Moreland?

  I'm dragging this on. I'm repeating myself. Let's hop into today's case, which I hope has a baby cheetah covenant.

• 5:45Payton Moreland?

  Our sources for this episode are Dateline, season 20, episode 2, oxygen.com, live5news.com, abcnews.com, wistv.com, postandcourier.com, charlestondaily.com, sportskeeda.com, and happyscrap.com. Now.

• 5:58Payton Moreland?

  Murder with my husband listeners. Trust is a tricky thing. I mean, it's one of the first instincts that we rely on in life. We trust that we are supported, that we are loved, that we are safe. It's how we're able to meet new people, make new friends and relationships. But trust is a delicate thing. Because as we get older, we learn that not everyone is deserving of our trust. Especially if you've had it broken before.

• 6:26Garrett Moreland?

  Hmm.

• 6:27Payton Moreland?

  But this wasn't something 28-year-old Kate Waring believed in. In 2009, she was on a train when another woman sat down beside her. And she and Kate started chatting. In fact, they really hit it off and they would go on to become good friends. Kate even set her up with another one of her close buddies. But what Kate clearly didn't expect was for this woman that she met on the train to go on and betray her trust so badly that it would actually cost her her life. So today, we are headed down south to Charleston, South Carolina,

• 7:08Payton Moreland?

  where on May 5th, 1981, Thomas and Janice Waring welcomed a little girl named Catherine, or Kate, as her friends and family call her. Now, Kate's a pretty lucky girl because she was born into wealthy people. They come from a good amount of generational wealth, even have a house along the Battery, which is a highly coveted street right along the ocean. So this all goes to say, the Waring's are well-known and well-connected in Charleston, and they have been for decades. And it certainly helps that Thomas, the father, is a prominent lawyer in the city. And Kate, being the only girl in her family, sandwiched between an older and younger brother,

• 7:52Payton Moreland?

  had her parents eating out of the palm of her hand. She was the princess of the family in a good way. She got everything she wanted, from dance lessons to fancy birthday parties. But all that spoiling didn't affect Kate in the way it might Have with other kids because those who knew the Waring said while they had money, they were always very modest. They never stuck their noses up at anyone and that kindness shined through Kate. She was sweet and friendly. She would go out of her way to make an outcast feel welcomed. She was also intelligent, maybe even to her own detriment because school didn't

• 8:32Payton Moreland?

  exactly challenge Kate. It bored her to the point where it started to cause other problems for Kate as she entered her teenage years. So Kate's mother Janice noticed her daughter had a tendency to run towards risk. Kate found herself experimenting with drugs and drinking at a fairly early age and over the years she struggled with those addictions as well as eating disorders and depression. And when Kate started attending therapy, the family learned what the root cause of these issues had been. Kate had been sexually abused by someone that the family

• 9:14Payton Moreland?

  knew and growing up she did her best to work through her trauma and her coping mechanisms. And with the help of her parents, she pushed forward. This meant moving in and out of the house with them several times over the years.

• 9:30Garrett Moreland?

  It's sad that most sexual abuse cases are someone that the family knows or someone within the family. That's, that's horrible.

• 9:38Payton Moreland?

  Especially because, you know, we had strangey dangy for so long when in reality, the people who are most dangerous to you are probably in your life. Yeah.

• 9:46Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 9:47Payton Moreland?

  So Thomas, her father, even set Kate up with a bank account that he controlled so they could regulate her expenses together. And this sort of support from her parents actually really helped her turn her life around. Eventually Kate went to University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, well Chapel Hill where she joined a sorority. She even took a trip to Greece to participate in an archaeological dig in Crete. But there was one vacation that really changed the Course of Kate's life, and I think this is ironic considering what ended up being your 10 seconds and what you were asking for.

• 10:25Garrett Moreland?

  No way. It's a, there is a cheetah cub in this story.

• 10:27Payton Moreland?

  No, but in 2008, Kate and her father went to the Arctic to see polar bears.

• 10:35Garrett Moreland?

  Okay. I mean, I see what you're saying.

• 10:37Payton Moreland?

  And during that trip, a Russian crewman commented on how quickly Kate was picking up his language and he invited her to come visit him in Moscow. So she's in the Arctic, but she meets a Russian crewman and he's like, Hey girl, come to Moscow with me, which she did.

• 10:53Garrett Moreland?

  No way.

• 10:54Payton Moreland?

  A few months later, and it seems there might have been a romance blossoming between the two, because after that trip.

• 11:01Garrett Moreland?

  That's weird.

• 11:01Payton Moreland?

  Kate planned to return the following spring to study Russian further. And this seems outlandish to us, but maybe if you grow up in a family with a lot of wealth and it's like, Hey, let's go to the Arctic to see the polar bears and then

• 11:17Garrett Moreland?

  I guess.

• 11:17Payton Moreland?

  Hang out and now I'm just gonna go study there because I can, you know?

• 11:21Garrett Moreland?

  That's true.

• 11:22Payton Moreland?

  Seems weird to us, but probably wasn't weird to her.

• 11:24Garrett Moreland?

  Like, this seems like a fairy tale. This is not real life.

• 11:26Payton Moreland?

  So she's planning to return in spring, but in May of 2009, Kate went up to Washington DC to try and catch a flight to Russia. Only she realized at that point that there was a problem with her visa. She'd have to go home, work it out and reschedule her trip for when the paperwork was all sorted out. So Kate's obviously heartbroken. I mean, she'd had this huge plan and literally the day of, it doesn't work. But she wasn't going to let it set her back. She hopped the train from DC back down to Charleston, thinking she'll just take a college course there in the meantime, maybe even start that children's book that she'd been thinking about writing.

• 12:08Payton Moreland?

  But as Kate was sitting on that train from DC back to home, she was this close to getting out of the country. Figuring out how to bide her time, a stranger sat down next to her. It was a woman named Heather Camp.

• 12:24Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, I don't, I don't know where this is going at all.

• 12:28Payton Moreland?

  Perhaps looking for someone to vent to about her recent upset. Kate and Heather started chatting intimately about their lives on that long train ride back to Charleston. And Heather told her she'd just had her own stroke of bad luck. She'd gotten her pocketbook stolen right before she got on the train.

• 12:45Garrett Moreland?

  What year were you in?

• 12:46Payton Moreland?

  Two thousand and nine.

• 12:47Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, and maybe this is because I grew up on the West Coast. Maybe there's more trains on the East Coast.

• 12:53Payton Moreland?

  Maybe, for sure, there's more trains on the East Coast.

• 12:56Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, but I'm just saying, like, they're talking about taking the train, like, it's.

• 13:00Payton Moreland?

  I think that train.

• 13:02Garrett Moreland?

  It just must be.

• 13:02Payton Moreland?

  From DC to everywhere is a very common.

• 13:05Garrett Moreland?

  I'm gonna sound uneducated, but we.

• 13:06Payton Moreland?

  We're about to get slandered.

• 13:09Garrett Moreland?

  Slander me. I don't give a. Now, when I lived in Spain for a few years, all I did was take the subway and the trains. But the public transportation on like the West Coast, like, there ain't no subway in California. Like, there's no, I mean, the, yeah, there's trains, but they're really not that great. I don't know. Anyways, just defending myself and also pointing something out at the same time.

• 13:31Payton Moreland?

  Yes. So Heather's like, hey, yeah, I understand your visa, there's an issue. I just got my pocketbook stolen. And Heather told Kate she was a doctor, a pediatric surgeon, who was actually moving to Charleston to work at the Medical University of South Carolina. And Heather's like, I don't really know anyone in the area. And since we're kind of hitting it off, maybe we should stay in touch. But Kate takes it a step further. She offered to help her get on her feet and lend a hand if she needed anything until she got her credit cards back. So Heather acted incredibly grateful. The two kept chatting after that ride, to the point where Kate actually introduced Heather

• 14:14Payton Moreland?

  to one of her best friends, a guy named Ethan Mack. Now Ethan and Kate had been close friends for a while. In fact, Kate said Ethan was like a big brother to her. He looked out for her, he protected her. And while it was strictly platonic between the two of them, Kate thought that her single friend Ethan might actually hit it off with Heather, this girl she'd met on the train who happens to be moving to Charleston. And Kate was right. So she introduces her new friend Heather to her old friend Ethan, and the two start dating. And things seemed pretty solid between them, even when Heather experienced a terrible tragedy. She said her young daughter back in New Jersey had passed away in a car accident.

• 14:59Payton Moreland?

  Now Heather was a mom, and she had a young daughter back in New Jersey. And she tells her new group of friends that her daughter had passed away in a car accident. Now, when Kate shares this devastating news about her friend Heather's daughter to her mother, Janice, Janice is suspicious. After interacting with Heather, she's like, she does not seem like a grieving mother in distress. And she also wasn't in a rush to get back to New Jersey to be with family. And it got even stranger to Janice when Heather told her a few months later,

• 15:39Payton Moreland?

  her other child, her young son, had died of leukemia several years prior. So she's had two kids, one who's died in a tragic accident, one who's died of leukemia, and she doesn't live or hasn't been living with these kids.

• 15:54Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 15:55Payton Moreland?

  But Kate, her friend, she didn't see any reason not to believe Heather. She seemed to make her best friend Ethan happy, and the three of them practically became inseparable over the next few months. In fact, Kate's parents said that she seemed happier than she'd ever been before. And this was a feeling that persisted seemingly into June of 2009.

• 16:17Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting. Wouldn't you like start asking questions at some point? Or trying to get to know people on a deeper level, right?

• 16:23Payton Moreland?

  I mean, it's hard because this is the parent's point of view of the friendship.

• 16:27Garrett Moreland?

  True.

• 16:27Payton Moreland?

  And they're like, it just seemed weird, but Kate didn't seem worried. She seemed happy.

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• 17:40Payton Moreland?

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• 18:25Payton Moreland?

  And then she met Heather and Ethan for dinner, a short distance away, at a Japanese steakhouse. And they spent a few hours there, drinking, laughing, and having a good time. And that's when Ethan and Heather broke the news to Kate.

• 18:40Garrett Moreland?

  We are getting engaged. Wait, no, we're pregnant.

• 18:44Payton Moreland?

  Heather was pregnant.

• 18:45Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 18:46Payton Moreland?

  And she and Ethan were going to have a baby. Kate was probably ecstatic for them. She was going to be an aunt, essentially, because these three are the three best friends. And at around 11:30 PM, they called it a night, and Ethan offers to drive Kate home. The following morning, though, Tom Waring went to check on Kate in her bedroom. Only Kate wasn't there. Her medicine was though. Prescriptions for depression, anxiety and insomnia.

• 19:13Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap.

• 19:16Payton Moreland?

  This is.

• 19:16Garrett Moreland?

  If this goes where I think it's going, this is gonna be wild.

• 19:20Payton Moreland?

  This is medicine that Kate never left home for long without. So Tom and Janice called Kate repeatedly through the day to Noahville. And by Sunday morning with still no sign from their daughter Kate, they start to suspect the worst and they wonder if Kate might have fallen back into her old habits. Was there a relapse they needed to be concerned about? And usually in these cases we cover, they're worried that someone has hurt their loved one. But these parents are worried that Kate might have gone back to her old ways.

• 19:55Garrett Moreland?

  Ah, I see.

• 19:55Payton Moreland?

  And so they start calling around to Kate's friends and other family members. Only no one has seen her. So they call local hospitals to see if Kate or any Jane Does have showed up. There's nothing. But they figure, okay, their daughter at this point is 28 years old. Maybe she just met someone and had, you know, kind of spent the night with him or was hanging out with him, gone off with him. Maybe she figured out her visa and she caught a flight to Russia after all. They'll give it one more day, see if Kate returns, see if anything changes, but it doesn't. So by Monday, June 15th, they call the Charleston Police Department. By now Kate's parents also realize she hasn't used any of her credit cards

• 20:37Payton Moreland?

  or bank accounts since the night that they last saw her. Remember, her parents had access to all of her finances despite the fact she was 28, just as a protection. But that day after filing a report with the police, they do get a phone call. It's Kate's bank and they're calling with alarming news. The branch manager says someone came in trying to cash what looked like a forged check from Kate's checkbook.

• 21:07Garrett Moreland?

  For how much?

• 21:08Payton Moreland?

  For $4,500. Only Kate had like barely a hundred dollars in that account at the time. So this is not exactly the news you want to hear when your daughter is missing.

• 21:20Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 21:21Payton Moreland?

  But at least it might be a clue. Now, when Thomas Waring gets a hold of this check, he sees who it was made out to. He's in contact with the bank. He's like, tell me who, who, who got the check?

• 21:33Garrett Moreland?

  No way. It's gonna be made out to Heather.

• 21:36Payton Moreland?

  Ethan.

• 21:36Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 21:37Payton Moreland?

  Ethan Mack. This is Kate's longtime best friend. And it was written on June 12th, so the day Kate was last seen.

• 21:45Garrett Moreland?

  That's, that's crazy.

• 21:47Payton Moreland?

  So the, the Waring's actually take this information to police and they're like, okay, yes, we need to question Ethan. This girl's missing. Someone tried to forge a check and it is probably Ethan. Now Ethan seems very willing to cooperate with the police and he says, yes, he saw Kate on the night she went missing, June 12th, when she gave him that check. He claims he had actually lent her a bunch of cash recently for a piece of jewelry that she wanted. And this check was her paying him back. And he had no idea that she didn't have enough in her account to cover it, or he wouldn't have even tried cashing it in the first place. So, okay, this is possible. He also says, after that dinner on Friday, he drove Kate home to her parents' house on the battery.

• 22:32Payton Moreland?

  And she got out of the car at around 11:45 PM. And he's like, honestly, I haven't heard from her since. But he's not concerned because he tells police, listen, it's normal for Kate to sort of disappear from time to time and not call or text him back. Now Ethan even lets police look at his phone and they see text messages that seem to confirm this exchange. Plus, when they ask, Ethan agrees to let them come and search the house that he's currently living in, the one that he shares with his mother. And they don't find anything of interest there either. So Ethan leaves the police station that day without being named a suspect. This is where it gets a little weird because he leaves the police station.

• 23:17Payton Moreland?

  He's not really a suspect. He does, however, after this, call the Warrings with an earful. He leaves them a voicemail on their landline and he is not happy with Kate's parents. He tells them, "All I ever did was look out for Kate. Stop wasting your time and find out what really happened to her." He seems genuinely concerned about Kate, but he's also like, "Why did you not just talk to me about the check? Why did you go to police about the check?" Yeah. So, police at this point move on to a new witness. So, in the investigation at this point, police are like, "We gotta talk to more people. We gotta figure out what's going on in Kate's life."

• 23:57Payton Moreland?

  So, they talk to people who might know her, like Kate's ex-boyfriend, a guy named Howard Gatch. Howard and Kate had met at the gym she went to. He was a martial arts trainer, but was also in the middle of a pretty ugly divorce when he and Kate started dating. Now, on the day she went missing, Kate actually saw Howard. Since she didn't have a license, he gave her a ride to her therapist's office. She seemed in really good spirits, according to Howard, even when he saw her out and about about an hour and a half later at the gym. However, there was apparently an altercation that day because Howard's ex-wife was also at the gym that afternoon.

• 24:39Payton Moreland?

  And some said that she and Kate had exchanged words at the gym. Whatever was said, though, it wasn't enough to ruin Kate's entire day because we know she still went out to dinner with Ethan and Heather later. Apparently, at 10:15 PM that night, she even called Howard. And I'm not sure what they spoke about, but he said that wasn't the last time they chatted that night. According to Howard, at around 12:30 AM, they spoke one final time. During which Kate tells Howard, her ex-boyfriend, that she's still hanging out with Ethan and Heather. Now that's about 45 minutes after Ethan claims that he had dropped Kate off at her home.

• 25:22Payton Moreland?

  So when police learn this, they're like, there's a discrepancy in the timeline. There's something fishy going on. Plus, Howard tells police when he talked to Kate that night slash morning, she sounded a little buzzed. And according to him, he warned her to be careful around Heather. Now Howard had met Heather before, but according to him, there was something that just felt off about Heather Camp. And when he had told Kate this, she laughed off his concerns. But later that night, he ends up getting a strange text from Kate. She said she was heading to Greenville to quote, "pick up some lovey." Now whether that was drugs or something else, Howard didn't know.

• 26:06Payton Moreland?

  But by the time he inquired about it the following day, Kate was missing. She never responded. Police received another interesting tip, though, around this time. On June 12th, the last day Kate was seen, she also called her friend Jason Luck and left a voicemail. Now in this message, Kate was ranting that someone had stolen her identity and they were trying to take credit cards out and her name. Now this sort of lines up with what Kate had said to her father that same day. I guess this was right before she left for CVS and then dinner. She told her dad that she may have quote unintentionally gotten herself in trouble. And when Thomas pried further, Kate wouldn't offer up any more details other than that,

• 26:49Payton Moreland?

  but her dad is thinking it was probably this, that someone had stolen her identity. Now here's the thing, police have all of this information, but they don't move forward on any of it for weeks. Despite how prominent the Waring are in Charleston, despite them being this sort of legacy family there, Kate's case honestly doesn't gain any steam. In fact, it's the opposite. It kind of stalls out. Like, police have all these weird angles they could be looking into. This is suspicious. This is suspicious. Kate knows a lot of people. There's been a lot of weird things happening the last day she was seen, but they do nothing. And the Warrings aren't gonna just sit around and wait for the Charleston PD to get some miraculous

• 27:31Payton Moreland?

  tip. So they decide to take their daughter's case into their own hands. Two months after Kate goes missing, the Warrings hired their own star team of investigators to figure out where their daughter went and what may have happened to her.

• 27:45Garrett Moreland?

  I haven't said much because, I mean, I think I know where this is going.

• 27:50Payton Moreland?

  You're kind of getting torn every which way.

• 27:52Garrett Moreland?

  Cutting it torn. I mean, I think that if I were to guess from everything so far, obviously it has something to do with Heather. And I'm kind of curious, like who Heather actually is? Like, who's Heather?

• 28:08Payton Moreland?

  So the Warrings start with Andrew Savage. It's a local attorney who has an incredible group of people who can investigate the crime even when police aren't. And that includes former police officers, James Randolph, Bill Capps, and Bobby Minter. Now, Bobby was sort of this known human bloodhound, excellent at following a trail. And Detective Bill was sort of this tech guy who could find almost anything on the internet. And Detective James was great for thinking outside the box, shaking things up and talking to witnesses. So one of the first people this team of three speak to is Kate's therapist. They see, hey, can you tell us anything? Like, is it, was there anything weird going on in Kate's life? Can you let us know anything?

• 28:51Payton Moreland?

  And what they learn is Kate had been having issues with her old time friend Ethan ever since she had introduced him to Heather. Apparently, she had told her therapist that she was actually planning to distance herself from the couple despite the fact that these three had kind of become best friends, which clearly wasn't successful. She was still out with them on the night she disappeared. But the investigators learn something else the police didn't know. And that's that Ethan had lied to them about where he lived at the time of the disappearance. He wasn't actually living with his mother. He had recently gotten his own place with Heather Camp, his girlfriend, on James Island.

• 29:32Garrett Moreland?

  Crazy you would lie about that? Because now it's gonna just blow up.

• 29:37Payton Moreland?

  Right. And it's like you told the police, oh, yeah, come, I'm staying with my mom, but he's actually living with his girlfriend.

• 29:41Garrett Moreland?

  Because then once they find out, instant suspect.

• 29:44Payton Moreland?

  So.

• 29:45Garrett Moreland?

  Idiot.

• 29:46Payton Moreland?

  So as this team of investigators learn, Ethan wasn't the only one keeping secrets in Kate's life. Heather.

• 29:54Payton Moreland?

  Our best friend she had met on the train that was dating Ethan had plenty of her own.

• 29:58Garrett Moreland?

  What a surprise.

• 29:59Payton Moreland?

  In fact, she had been lying to Kate practically since the moment she met her back on that train.

• 30:05Garrett Moreland?

  Is her name even Heather?

• 30:07Payton Moreland?

  So apparently Howard and Kate's mother Janice were right about Heather. Remember Howard's her ex-boyfriend. Something was definitely off with this 31 year old woman because not only did she not have a license to practice medicine. Like she had said, she had an extensive criminal record for fraud. This takes one background, one background search. By the way, and get this unauthorized practice of medicine on a child.

• 30:37Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap.

• 30:39Payton Moreland?

  In 2009, Heather actually took a blood sample from a six year old girl. She was babysitting. The parents, of course, pressed charges when they learned she wasn't actually a doctor. But the lies didn't stop with Heather's fake medical career that she had imagined. Despite what she told Kate and Ethan, she had been married before. And those stories about her children dying from leukemia and in a car accident, those were lies too. As far as any of the sources suggest, Heather's four children, so she had four. And they were all alive and well. She just kind of run to Charleston and started a new life. Apparently the fact that she was pregnant with Ethan's child at this time was also a lie.

• 31:23Payton Moreland?

  And this was one that Ethan was not privy to. In fact, I don't think Ethan knew any of this about the girlfriend he was living with.

• 31:31Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, wait, so you're telling me Heather's been lying about everything and Ethan has no idea?

• 31:36Payton Moreland?

  Ethan has no idea and Kate didn't either.

• 31:40Garrett Moreland?

  I just.

• 31:41Payton Moreland?

  She catfished them.

• 31:42Garrett Moreland?

  I'm not, I believe that Ethan had no idea, but how do you have a significant other? And like not know them?

• 31:48Payton Moreland?

  Because people aren't manipulative and.

• 31:52Garrett Moreland?

  Like, hey, let's go visit your family. I don't know.

• 31:54Payton Moreland?

  They just lie. They just keep the lies going and the lies going and the lies.

• 31:58Garrett Moreland?

  Right when I met you, first thing that when I got home, I ran a background check on you.

• 32:02Payton Moreland?

  Oh, and what came up?

• 32:03Garrett Moreland?

  I didn't.

• 32:04Payton Moreland?

  $12 in my bank account?

• 32:05Garrett Moreland?

  I didn't actually.

• 32:08Garrett Moreland?

  If I would have known that, I'm just kidding. No, I didn't actually, but I'm just saying that's pretty crazy.

• 32:13Payton Moreland?

  So Ethan doesn't know this, but literally these private investigators that the Warrings had hired learned this immediately. And that's when they realized, okay, Heather is not who she says she is. Kate is missing and we need to keep a closer eye on this. I mean, imagine the Warrings telling these investigators her, both her kids have died and she practices medicine.

• 32:37Garrett Moreland?

  And it's all a lie.

• 32:37Payton Moreland?

  She's pregnant, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, no, she has four kids and they're alive and she's never practiced medicine. Like it's just, it would be gut wrenching. So after finding Heather and Ethan's new apartment, Detective Bobby convinces their landlord to help them out. He puts a little camera in the landlord's window, which points directly to Ethan and Heather's place. His, his own little ring doorbell, if you will. And they also put a tracker on Ethan's car so they know where he is pretty much every second of the day. But what they find is while Ethan's away, you know, at work or wherever he's going during the day, Heather at home is actually sneaking over to the neighbor's house.

• 33:20Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 33:20Payton Moreland?

  And having an affair with this 31 year old guy named Terry Williams.

• 33:25Garrett Moreland?

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• 33:57Payton Moreland?

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• 34:23Garrett Moreland?

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• 34:43Payton Moreland?

  As you guys know, I was just at a hospital stay. And what do you think I wore the entire time after giving birth and taking care of my new baby?

• 34:53Garrett Moreland?

  I know.

• 34:54Payton Moreland?

  What?

• 34:55Garrett Moreland?

  Diapers.

• 34:57Payton Moreland?

  I wore my Skims sleep soft lounge sets, cotton fleece sets. Honestly, they are the most comfortable thing and I had to bring them to the hospital.

• 35:08Garrett Moreland?

  They're amazing. Skims is, Skims is the best. Come on.

• 35:11Payton Moreland?

  Ah, their sleep sets are just the perfect way they stay cool. They're such great quality. There's something about just having nice pajamas or loungewear that makes you feel put together, especially at a time like where I am in postpartum. You guys know how much we love Skims. Again, I have really been into their sleep soft lounge and cotton fleece sets. I got the cutest like chocolate fleece set that says Skims is really cute. I think I posted about it on my Instagram. So you have to go check it out. Shop my favorite loungewear and pajamas at skims.com. And after you place your order, be sure to let them know we sent you. Select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the dropdown menu that follows.

• 35:55Payton Moreland?

  Again, that's after you've already checked out. Please take the extra step of letting them know Murder With My Husband sent you. And if you're looking for the perfect gifts for everyone on your list, the Skims Holiday Shop is now open at skims.com. So the investigators have to consider, could this person, Terry, be involved in some way as well? But after a few weeks of watching Ethan and Heather to see if there's any other suspicious activity, they get a phone call from the couple's landlord. And he says, hey, the two haven't paid their rent. And if they don't, I'm going to evict them, which is a problem because if they move, they might not be able to get this kind of surveillance on them in the next place. So Mr. Waring authorizes something.

• 36:36Payton Moreland?

  He agrees to pay the couple's rent as long as his detectives can keep surveilling them.

• 36:42Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 36:42Payton Moreland?

  And he's like, also.

• 36:45Payton Moreland?

  I'm kind of doing you a favor here. So like if I need anything from you, Mr. Landlord, please help me out. Please help me out. And after they grease his palms and pay the rent, they ask the landlord, hey, um, do you have anything in writing from the couple? We want to see if the handwriting matches up with that forged check Ethan was trying to cash. Did it come from our daughter? Did it come from them? Um, and sure enough, the landlord hands over some ILUs that were written by the couple. And after turning that in the forged check over to a handwriting analyst, they say it's definitely a match. The check was written by Heather. There was no doubt about it. So now investigators are thinking, okay, if they have Kate's checkbook and she's missing,

• 37:29Payton Moreland?

  what else are they involved with? They need to step up their game. And they ask the landlord, hey, do you think we can tell the couple? We need to spray for bugs to get into their place? Get them out for a day while we go in and just kind of look around. And the landlord's like, yeah, go ahead. Go into my house that I own and I'm renting to these people.

• 37:46Garrett Moreland?

  And you can, illegal?

• 37:47Payton Moreland?

  No idea, but maybe because it's the landlord's legal place, he can give permission to search the house.

• 37:54Garrett Moreland?

  I would assume not, but I don't know. I have no idea. Maybe.

• 37:57Payton Moreland?

  I mean, you have to think about it. If it's like a hotel, you could have permission to search the room.

• 38:01Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah. I just think there's a little bit more rights behind, um,

• 38:04Payton Moreland?

  Renting.

• 38:04Garrett Moreland?

  Leasing a place, but I don't know. Some attorney lawyer out there.

• 38:09Payton Moreland?

  I'm going to say if it was illegal, they probably wouldn't have done it. They're, they're retired police.

• 38:14Garrett Moreland?

  I guess that should, because then they couldn't have used any of that.

• 38:17Payton Moreland?

  To hand over to.

• 38:17Garrett Moreland?

  To hand over to evidence.

• 38:18Payton Moreland?

  Yes.

• 38:19Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting. Okay.

• 38:20Payton Moreland?

  So when the team gets into Ethan and Heather's apartment, they don't find any signs of Kate, but they do use this opportunity to go speak with the neighbor, Mr. Terry Williams, but they don't show up empty handed. Instead, they arrive with a big bag of cash. And they say, Terry, look, we know you're also behind on your rent and this could all be yours. If you just tell us what happened to Kate wearing. And that's when the door to his bedroom flies open.

• 38:47Garrett Moreland?

  No way.

• 38:47Payton Moreland?

  As police are in there and Heather Camp comes storming out half dressed, screaming at the investigators to leave. But while they're still in earshot, they hear Heather sneak a phone call to Ethan. She's telling Ethan that investigators were trying to get Terry to quote, roll on us.

• 39:13Garrett Moreland?

  Us.

• 39:14Payton Moreland?

  So that's when the investigators look at each other and they're like, Ethan's definitely involved and Ethan and Heather did something to Kate.

• 39:21Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap. I can't believe Ethan's involved.

• 39:23Payton Moreland?

  They now know that.

• 39:25Garrett Moreland?

  That's wild.

• 39:25Payton Moreland?

  Police are on to them. Well, police, it's a private detectives, but that doesn't stop them from paying Terry another visit. And since he could really use that cash, he gives them something in return and it's an iPod, one that Heather gifted him days after Kate disappeared.

• 39:41Garrett Moreland?

  Kate's iPod.

• 39:42Payton Moreland?

  It was the same iPod Kate was seen using at the gym.

• 39:45Garrett Moreland?

  Way dude.

• 39:46Payton Moreland?

  The day she vanished. To be sure it's Kate's investigators pull the serial number off of it and confirm it was one that she purchased herself. It is Kate's iPod. So with all of this information, they decide now to go to the Charleston police and they're like, hey, we've been working on this case. You haven't been, and here's all the evidence we've collected.

• 40:04Garrett Moreland?

  I'm even more confused. So Ethan knows who Terry is?

• 40:08Payton Moreland?

  Yes.

• 40:08Garrett Moreland?

  So does Ethan know that she's sleeping with him and maybe?

• 40:10Payton Moreland?

  Maybe not. Maybe she just was like Terry, the neighbor came over. You know what I mean? Like sources obviously aren't saying what exactly was said, but.

• 40:18Garrett Moreland?

  Something's going on there.

• 40:19Payton Moreland?

  Yes.

• 40:20Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 40:21Payton Moreland?

  So as this is going on, as the private detectives are going to Charleston police, Heather Camp is trying to get ahead of the accusations. So she calls the Charleston police too. So at the same time Charleston police are hearing from the private investigators and from suspect number one Heather. She's like, um, I, I have a confession to make, but not to murder. Heather admits, okay, I was the one who forged the check. And within a matter of days, both she and Ethan are arrested for forgery and obstruction of justice, but nothing related to Kate's disappearance. However, things start to fall apart when Heather shows up for her bond hearing in October 2009. Because now that she's separated from Ethan with no way of contacting him, she starts to get worried.

• 41:06Payton Moreland?

  Is he going to talk? Should she talk before he does? That's when Heather goes to one of the members of the Waring's investigation team and says, look, I had nothing to do with Kate's murder, but I know where her body is buried. If I give you directions to her, can you help me with these charges? Next thing you know, Heather is giving them very precise directions to this spot on Wadmala Island, just south of Charleston. And that afternoon, the team follows her instructions down to the very tree where Heather told them to look. And they find nothing. So with the sun starting to set, they promised to return tomorrow. This time, they follow a new path.

• 41:47Payton Moreland?

  Sure enough, Detective Bobby Minter, the human bloodhound, spots something this time. After only six minutes of searching the area, they find Kate Waring's remains, right where Heather said they'd be. Now, the investigators dial 911 because remember, their PIs are not actually cops. But here's what's so shocking. When the police arrive, they actually separate the detectives, like the private investigators, and put them in the back of police cars. They treat these former officers who just solved their case, found this body, mind you, like criminals. They even seized Bill Capps, one of the investigators' cars, and they brought all of them in for questioning. And while they are released that night,

• 42:32Payton Moreland?

  Bill has to file all of this paperwork to get his car back days later. Bill served 36 years as a police officer. So you can imagine how shocked he was to find this is how he was being treated when they went to police and said, hey, it's Heather and Ethan. And hey, Heather called us and told us where the body is. Still, it seemed like their hard work paid off because not only had they done what they promised, they were bringing Kate Waring home to her parents. Yeah. And they were also able to get Heather Camp and Ethan Mack charged with murder. But the question still remained. Why did Heather and Ethan want to kill Kate? Well, once the prosecutors start looking into the case, they come up with a pretty good theory for the motive. Remember, Kate had told her father and some friends that she was in trouble

• 43:16Payton Moreland?

  and that someone had been trying to extend her credit limit and assume her identity to take her money. Oh, have. And prosecutors think Kate might have threatened to get her father involved. And that's when Heather and Ethan snapped. So Kate went to Heather and Ethan that night and said, hey, I know it's you guys. I know you're trying to take my money. I'm gonna get my dad involved. He's an attorney. And they freak out. It looked like prosecutors might get to confirm that theory when Heather agreed to plead guilty to voluntary manslaughter, forgery, and obstruction of justice charges, all for a shorter sentence. But with that deal, Heather also agreed to testify against her boyfriend, Ethan. And this was a day that came in October of 2010, when Ethan's trial began,

• 43:57Payton Moreland?

  during which Heather took the stand to offer up the full story of what happened to Kate Waring, or at least her version of those events. This is what she tells the jury. "On that night, June 12th, she and Ethan brought Kate back to their James Island apartment after dinner. Apparently, in the weeks leading up, Kate had threatened to go to her father if they took any money from her again. Yet it seems Kate thought they had cleared the air because she continued a friendship with Ethan and Heather, perhaps trusting that the past was behind them and they could start fresh. But Heather said Ethan had other plans for her. That night at their apartment, Heather says they dared Kate to see if she could fit into a suitcase, and that's when Ethan used a taser on Kate to render her unconscious.

• 44:39Payton Moreland?

  When that didn't work, Ethan hit Kate over the head with a wine bottle until she passed out.

• 44:44Garrett Moreland?

  What?

• 44:44Payton Moreland?

  He then put the suitcase with Kate still inside of it.

• 44:49Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 44:50Payton Moreland?

  Into a bathtub full of water.

• 44:53Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, my.

• 44:55Payton Moreland?

  And he drowns her. Here's the thing, though. Heather changes her story, like, a lot on the stand. And jurors, well, they are like, we can't trust this woman.

• 45:07Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I know.

• 45:08Payton Moreland?

  Someone.

• 45:08Garrett Moreland?

  She's been lying her whole life.

• 45:09Payton Moreland?

  Not only is she a con man, um, someone who would stoop as low to say her children died when they're fully alive, and would play doctor on strangers, even taking the blood of a child.

• 45:19Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, how do you trust her?

• 45:20Payton Moreland?

  Ultimately, the jury wasn't convinced by her story. And so when it came time for Ethan's verdict, the jury found him guilty of obstruction of justice and forgery, but they couldn't reach a consensus on those murder charges, because they're like, we can't, we don't know if this is actually what happened, because we don't trust your star witness. And so it's a mistrial.

• 45:41Garrett Moreland?

  Wow.

• 45:42Payton Moreland?

  Ethan was sentenced to 15 years for the forgery and obstruction of justice charges. And rather than go through the whole operation again, he decides to take a plea deal. In April of 2011, he was given an additional 25 years for involuntary manslaughter. And as for the lighter sentence that Heather was hoping to get for testifying against Ethan. Well, that was actually taken off the table when Heather decided to change her story so many times on the stand. They're like, you were not a reliable witness. You actually lost us this case. So instead, when Heather finally faced a judge in April 2011, she pleaded guilty, but mentally ill. She was given a longer sentence than Ethan, 39 years in prison.

• 46:23Garrett Moreland?

  Good.

• 46:24Payton Moreland?

  But there's a lot of people who think had the Charleston police handled Kate's case with more urgency. Heather and Ethan would probably be put away for life, like that they didn't actually get as harsh of a sentence as they should have.

• 46:36Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, I see that.

• 46:37Payton Moreland?

  Apparently after Heather and Ethan were arrested, their apartment wasn't properly searched and was instead turned back over to the landlord to re rent it out. It wasn't until weeks later that the Charleston police realized they had destroyed their own crime scene because Ethan and Heather had killed Kate at that apartment. So there really wasn't much evidence at all outside of those confessions and a few forged checks. They had no blood, they had no DNA, they had no weapon. When it came to trial, they had nothing to be like, no, for sure they did it. You have to wonder, would Kate have even been found had it not been for the investigators the Warrings had hired? Like, would this case have just ran cold? Would Heather and Ethan still be walking free?

• 47:19Payton Moreland?

  Because if it weren't for the PIs who solved Kate's case, Ethan and Heather could be out there right now. Praying on their next kind, compassionate and trusting victim. And might I say, not every victim has a family who can hire a team of really good private investigators to solve their loved ones case. And that is the case of Kate Waring.

• 47:44Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, 100% it would not have been, the monacy might not have even been solved if they didn't get PIs. Involved, which is crazy.

• 47:53Payton Moreland?

  Right.

• 47:54Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I don't know. Um, horrible, extremely sad. I mean, Kate, Kate didn't do anything, man. They just Ethan and Heather are just evil human beings. Ethan, out of all people, too.

• 48:06Payton Moreland?

  Kill his own best friend for money.

• 48:08Garrett Moreland?

  What a loser. Like, what? He just evil human being. I don't know, man. I don't.

• 48:12Payton Moreland?

  Also think just Heather being a con man and lying from the start when Kate was nothing but nice to her on that train.

• 48:19Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, horrible.

• 48:20Payton Moreland?

  Kate just put all her trust in her friends. Um, I also think it would be extremely frustrating as Kate's parents to know that the police did not take your daughter's disappearance very seriously, didn't look into it very heavily. And then when the case was handed to them on a gold platter paid for by the Warrings, they botched the investigation once again by not closing off the crime scene and actually finding proof. I mean, I know it's just a number of in prison, but at the same time as the family seeking justice, when you basically solve this case yourself, it's gotta be extremely frustrating.

• 48:57Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 48:59Payton Moreland?

  All right, you guys, we will see you next time with another episode and I love it.

• 49:03Garrett Moreland?

  And I hate it.

• 49:03Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.

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