The Science of Healing Your Body with Your Mind | Dr Joe Dispenza

Dr Joe Dispenza drops a finding that most people are not ready for: a seven-day meditation retreat produces measurably greater healing than most pharmaceutical drugs, with 80% of participants expressing the same healing genes by the end. If you have ever tried to think positive and felt nothing shift, Dr Joe explains why that happens and what your body is actually doing instead. Most of us are unknowingly running 95% of our lives from subconscious programs rooted in the past, and our bodies quite literally cannot accept thoughts that contradict what they have already been conditioned to feel. The path forward is not more willpower or better affirmations. It is learning to match your thoughts with a new feeling so completely that your biology has no choice but to change. The Greatness Playbook: The Future Self Edition Dr Joe’s books: Breaking the Habit of Being Yourself Becoming Supernatural You Are the Placebo: Making Your Mind Matter Evolve Your Brain: The Science of Changing Your Mind Dr Joe’s website Dr Joe’s retreats Dr Joe’s retreat testimony The Breastmilk Study In this episode you will: Understand why positive thinking alone fails and what your body actually needs to accept a new belief as real Learn how your brain's default mode network traps you in predictable patterns and what seven days of focused practice can do to rewire it Discover how advanced meditators are producing factors in their blood that stop cancer cells from multiplying and moving Explore the quantum field science behind how focused intention can influence healing in people who are not in the same room or even the same country Identify the one emotional shift required to move from survival mode into the kind of creative energy that makes transformation possible For more information go to https://lewishowes.com/1917 For more Greatness text PODCAST to +1 (614) 350-3960 Follow The Daily Motivation for essential highlights from The School of Greatness More SOG episodes we think you’ll love: Lewis Howes Solo [Stop Blocking the Life You Want] Eckhart Tolle Price Pritchett Get more from Lewis! Get my New York Times Bestselling book, Make Money Easy! Get The Greatness Mindset audiobook on SpotifyText Lewis AIYouTubeInstagramWebsiteTiktokFacebookX Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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• 0:00Joe Dispenza?

  Your nervous system can manufacture a pharmacy of chemicals that works three times better than any drug. That's what our data shows.

• 0:07Lewis Howes?

  Wow, three times?

• 0:08Joe Dispenza?

  What we discover in the research that we do is that if you go past that point where you think you're done, and then you go past that point where you're sure you're done, and you go a little further than that, that's the moment the brain changes the most.

• 0:20Lewis Howes?

  He is a New York Times bestselling author, a researcher, and one of the most pioneering minds in the science of manifestation and human transformation. We have the inspiring Dr. Joe Dispenza in the house.

• 0:32Joe Dispenza?

  Many people wake up and start their day with their entire state of being in the past. They think about their problems, they feel the emotions. 5% of our conscious mind is working against 95% of what we program subconsciously. So you could say, "I'm happy, I'm happy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm free, I'm free, I'm abundant, I'm abundant." And your body's saying, "No, you're not. You're miserable."

• 0:51Lewis Howes?

  With new beliefs coming to you of what's possible, what have been the challenges, the old beliefs that have tried to get in your way personally?

• 0:59Joe Dispenza?

  I would probably say...

• 1:02Lewis Howes?

  Now, for all the skeptics that have a stressful life, that feel overwhelmed, overworked, but feel like meditation is not for them, does meditation actually work? And if so, why?

• 1:18Joe Dispenza?

  Well, we use meditation for three things in the work that we do, because I am in the business of studying how people change. Why we change, how we change, and why is it so difficult to change? And if I do change, will my life change? That's kind of the experiment, right? So, the first reason we use meditation is to become familiar with a personality that's hardwired, conditioned, habituated. To break down that personality, so you have to become familiar with your thoughts and your beliefs, your behaviors and attitudes, and your emotional

• 1:58Joe Dispenza?

  responses. That's become so familiar, so conscious, that you don't go unconscious and default back to the old personality, because then your life will stay the same. So then, how do we begin to program new thoughts, right? How do I begin to think a thought with intention and attention, begin to install circuitry in the brain, so it becomes the new voice in my head, right? And that's a belief. A belief is just a thought you keep thinking over and over again. What behaviors do I want to demonstrate that are healthier for me? Emotionally, physically, chemically, whatever? Could I rehearse how I'm going to behave with my coworkers, with my partner, with my ex, with my, you know, with my children? And could I begin to change my behaviors? And if I rehearse them in my mind, could I install circuitry to jump into,

• 2:42Joe Dispenza?

  you know, prime the brain and use those circuits to behave in a different way? And become familiar with those thoughts and behaviors? And then could I condition my body emotionally to a different emotion? Like love or gratitude and freedom or inspiration? Can I do it enough times that it becomes familiar to me? So we use meditations as a tool to go from the old self to the new self to become so conscious of your unconscious programs that you don't go unconscious of them again? And then practice thinking, acting, and feeling over and over again until you become that new personality? And begin to see that your life begins to change, right? So we use it for that reason. The second reason we use meditation it really is around the idea of change. Like, what does it mean to truly change?

• 3:26Joe Dispenza?

  You know, people know what they want to change. They know why they want to change, but they just don't know how to change, right? So, so to change is to be greater than your environment. You know, because every person, everything, every circumstance, every condition in your life, you have a neurological network for because you've experienced it, right? So we tend to see reality based on a memory. We tend to see reality based on a past, right? And since every one of those people or things or experiences in your life has an emotion associated with it, the moment you see your coworker and feel judgmental, hmm, makes sense, then your environment then is controlling how you're feeling and how you're thinking. And if your environment is controlling your thoughts and emotions

• 4:09Joe Dispenza?

  and ultimately your behaviors, then you're a victim to your environment. And now your personal reality is creating your personality. Instead of your personality creating your personal reality. So you have to truly change then. You got to think, act, and feel differently in the same life that you're living in order for your life to change, right?

• 4:26Lewis Howes?

  Well, you know, for someone watching or listening right now, I could, I could see them saying, well, actually, I don't want to change. I want everyone else to change around me. Like, why should I have to change? They're the one who's triggering me. They're the one who's... Abusing me, they're the one who's saying mean things, they're the one that cut me off. Like, everyone else should change around me. I'm fine. This is what I used to think. I was like, I don't like how everyone else is acting. You know, they should adapt to me. Why should I have to change?

• 4:53Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 4:53Lewis Howes?

  What would you say to that?

• 4:55Joe Dispenza?

  I would say that when the pain of your discomfort outweighs your fear of making a different choice and stepping into the unknown, you'll actually decide to change because you'll sooner or later realize that the person who's betrayed you five years ago has gone on and lived their life. And the only person that's being affected by your thought or your emotional response to that person is you. It's like drinking poison expecting the person to die. You know, we were, sooner or later, we come to that point where no drug, no shopping spree, no sports car is gonna make that feeling go away. And this is really kind of the moment of truth, right? So, and there's nothing wrong with it. I just think that there comes a point in our life

• 5:40Joe Dispenza?

  where we have to really decide, okay, maybe if I change, my life can change as a consequence of it.

• 5:47Lewis Howes?

  But why do people have so much resistance to themselves changing? When they're always trying to make others change?

• 5:53Joe Dispenza?

  Because change is completely uncomfortable. And it's so inconvenient. It's really inconvenient. It's never the right time. It's just never the right. And there's always a lot of excuses. It's always someone else's fault. And I think that's the default to live your life as a victim of your life instead of the creator of your life. And I think there's a big distinction between that. Because if the environment is, you know, your response to your enemy. The only reason you see your enemy the way you see them is because of the experience you had with them. Or the experiences you had with them. Another person can interact with your enemy and have a completely different experience of them and see them through the lens of that experience, right?

• 6:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, they could be the greatest person in the world to someone else.

• 6:31Joe Dispenza?

  Exactly. So our thoughts about our enemy and our emotional responses to our enemy, justified, valid, and not the only person that's affecting is me, right? And the stronger the emotion that I have to some person or some problem in my life, the more I pay attention to them. And where I place my attention is where I place my energy, right? So I'm giving my power away to change because of that person or that circumstance. And even if you said, Louis, why are you so upset? You say, is that person, that, you know, that person in that circumstance is causing me to feel this way and think this way? Well, What you're really saying is my environment is controlling my thoughts and emotions and behaviors and I'm victim to it.

• 7:11Joe Dispenza?

  And so usually it takes crisis, you know, when the pain of your discomfort outweighs the fear, your fear of the unknown or your fear of change, that's the moment people finally go, I gotta, I gotta change, right? When no drug, nothing else is working, you're left with you, right? So we teach that to change is to think, act and feel differently in the same environment. And if your body has been emotionally conditioned, because you keep remembering the problems in your life and feeling the emotions associated with them, your body's being conditioned into the past and the body's being literally believing it's living in the past. If I run through the same habit every single day, thinking the same way, making the same choice, doing the same thing, creating the same experience and feel the same emotion over and over again.

• 7:56Joe Dispenza?

  If I do that enough times, it becomes habituated, it becomes more automatic. And that's when we lose our free will to change to a set of programs, right? So, so to change then is to be greater than the body is the mind, be greater than the habituations it's created, because the habit is when the body is the mind. And to be greater than those emotions that keep us responding, reacting as if we're in the past, right? What do you mean by that, when the body is the mind? If you think about a problem in your life, the problem in your life is connected to certain people, with certain, you know, conditions at certain times and certain places. The moment you remember the problem, you're thinking in the past, yes? But the, the, the thought, the memory is producing the emotion and the emotion that you're feeling seems very real in the moment.

• 8:41Joe Dispenza?

  Yes. But the body's so objective. It doesn't, it can't distinguish between the experience that's creating the emotion and the emotion that you're fabricating by thought alone. So the body, it's reliving the past, right? So you take that thought and the feeling, the image and the emotion, the stimulus and response, and you're going to condition the body into becoming the mind of that emotion. Now the body's believing it's living in the past 24 hours a day, seven days a week, right? And Many people wake up and start their day with their entire state of being in the past. They think about their problems, they feel the emotions, they get back into their familiar known self, right? So this is where it gets really interesting because the 5% of our conscious mind is working against 95% of what we've programmed subconsciously.

• 9:24Joe Dispenza?

  So you could say, "I'm happy, I'm happy, I'm healthy, I'm healthy, I'm free, I'm free, I'm abundant, I'm abundant." And your body's saying, "No, you're not. You're miserable. You're in trouble. You're unhappy." And the thought never makes it to the body, right? Why does it never make it to the body? Because it's, the mind and body are in opposition, right? The body can't accept the information of that thought because it's not feeling the feeling of that thought, it's feeling a different feeling. And the body is the mind of the past. Now, the person may forget about the problem or the past event in their conscious mind, but the body never forgets. Really? The information, the trauma is in the body now because the emotion is the signature chemically that's stored in the body. So when you decide to change and you say, "I wanna get healthy, I wanna get wealthy, I wanna get free," the body says,

• 10:09Joe Dispenza?

  "Listen, man, you're lucky, we gotta get out of this misery." Interesting. And I'd rather stay in my suffering and my pain than take a chance in possibility because it's been trained. It's all it knows. That's all it knows, is that safety to be there. The unknown is too dangerous. It would rather cling to their unhappiness than take a chance in possibility. And if you've done something so many times, complain, complain, complain, complain, complain, those are pathways that are gonna forge really big trunks. And it's gonna be automatic. You could complain and you're gonna make it look easy, you know? And it's not gonna be hard for you to complain. And that's because your body has done it enough times that it knows how to do it better than your conscious mind, so it's automatic, right?

• 10:51Joe Dispenza?

  So this is all really great when you're in the comfort zone, living the life that's, you know, familiar to you, but the moment you say, "I wanna change," right? The body, which has been conditioned via mind, does not wanna go to a new future because it can't feel the feelings of it. So the struggle in change is to be greater than the emotions that have been conditioned to the body and to be greater than the habituation to get up and check your cellphone or check your email, like, you know, all the stuff that we do. You can't be in the present moment when you're doing that. So it takes an enormous amount of energy and an enormous amount of awareness.

• 11:28Joe Dispenza?

  To be able to to settle the body down. Because it'll do anything it can to unseat us. You're dying, you're gonna have a heart attack, you know, I'm in pain, all the body's resisting. This movement, but what we discovered. In the research that we do is that if you go past that point. Where you think you're done. And then you go past that point where you're sure you're done. And you go a little further than that. That's the moment the brain changes the most, and that's the moment the body changes the most because you're stretching it out of the known. You're stretching it into the unknown, nothing dangerous happened and it starts to relax more. Into the unknown.

• 12:02Lewis Howes?

  So what I'm what I'm hearing you say, correct me if I'm wrong. You can't just think alone to change the body, you need to go to also change the body and relax the body.

• 12:11Joe Dispenza?

  In the emotional state, yeah.

• 12:12Lewis Howes?

  In the emotional state.

• 12:13Joe Dispenza?

  And we can get to that in a second.

• 12:14Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 12:14Joe Dispenza?

  Well, think about it, the unknown is a dangerous place in survival.

• 12:17Lewis Howes?

  Even if it's a healthy place.

• 12:19Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, but if it's unknown, the the we're, you know, we come pre programmed with these. All this biology for survival. And you get a better chance of surviving. If you run from the unknown, right, so. It goes against. Uh, the survival systems in the brain and body and the protective systems as well. So then. If a person is sitting in meditation and start, they start thinking about their enemy, or they start thinking about their coworkers, start thinking about their cell phone. They're not in the present moment, right, or what happened yesterday, or what's gonna happen in the next fifteen minutes, and this is. The disentangling from the program, so. If a person can catch themselves going unconscious. We discovered that the only way you actually become conscious.

• 13:04Joe Dispenza?

  You know, conscious. Is to catch yourself enough times going unconscious that you no longer go unconscious till I can, it's too hard, I'll never change. You've confronted it enough times, you're aware of it enough times. That that that voice or that thought has no power over you any longer. And this, this is where people usually rather get up and turn the TV on. Right, than sit in that discomfort. So when the body gets agitated, when the body gets impatient, when the body gets frustrated. When the body wants to get up and do something, it's programmed to do that, and you're sitting in a meditation. And you notice you're getting agitated instead of saying, I can't meditate. You bring that body right back into the present moment and you lower the volume to that emotion.

• 13:45Joe Dispenza?

  You take your attention off that problem. That's the victory. That's the, that's, that's change right there. That's worth more than all the gold in the world.

• 13:52Lewis Howes?

  That one moment.

• 13:53Joe Dispenza?

  Because you're telling the body it's no longer the mind.

• 13:55Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 13:56Joe Dispenza?

  And you're saying, I'm the mind now. And the body bucks and kicks like an unbridled stallion. It just doesn't want to do that. And all of a sudden it starts conjuring up thoughts, why you should leave and blah, blah, blah, and does all that stuff. And you catch yourself doing that. You bring your body back down into the present moment. Now you're executing a will that's greater than the program to do, to do what we do, uh, that's familiar.

• 14:17Lewis Howes?

  Because your thought or your mind is saying, uh, think about this other thing. Get up. This is painful.

• 14:22Joe Dispenza?

  Right.

• 14:22Lewis Howes?

  This is annoying. What it's thinking about something else to give you relief.

• 14:25Joe Dispenza?

  Right. And that's the relief from that, the unknown, right?

• 14:28Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 14:28Joe Dispenza?

  And, and it's kind of interesting because this is the last point about why we use meditation around the idea of change, to be greater than the environment, to be greater than the body, and now to be greater than time. Because if you're feeling the same feelings and you're thinking thoughts that are memories from the past, that's familiar. That's the familiar past. If you're trying to anticipate what's going to happen and you can predict what a person's going to do, if it's predictable because they're habituated, that's the known too. That's the predictable future. So if the familiar past is the known and the predictable future is the known, there's only one place left where the unknown exists, and that's the present moment, right? And we gotta labor for that present moment. And it takes a day or two

• 15:09Joe Dispenza?

  to get beyond yourself. But the moment the person can finally relax into the unknown and they can relax into the present moment, there's a dramatic physiological shift that goes on. The field around the body starts to build. Why? Because if you're no longer putting your attention on your enemy and you're lowering the volume to that emotion over and over, and you're going to forget about them. And you're going to call energy back to you. And now there's energy to heal and now there's energy to create, right? And energy naturally moves out of these lower hormonal centers, then naturally moves right into the heart.

• 15:41Joe Dispenza?

  A person can actually relax into the present moment by relaxing into their heart. If you can do that enough times, the heart all of a sudden tells the brain, "Hey, the past is over, the trauma is over, the betrayal is over," and it resets the baseline in the brain. So now the person is no longer interested in the past. The heart has actually taken the body out of the past into the present moment. Now the heart is the creative center, and what does it say? "Lewis, dream." "Dream of a new possibility." This is your imaginary state, is where the brainwaves change. And all of a sudden, you start thinking about possibilities you'll never have ever thought about before because you're feeling the emotion of that future. And because you can feel the emotion of that future,

• 16:26Joe Dispenza?

  you can put your attention on it, right? And where you place your attention is where you place your energy. Keep making that thought and that feeling, that image and that emotion, that stimulus and response. And now you can condition the brain and body to look like the future has already happened. Now this is where it gets exciting. Because now the experiment continues. That means that if I've truly changed my state of being and I've conditioned my body emotionally into the future, I would no longer be looking for the event any longer once it's gonna happen. Because if I feel the emotion of my future, why would I look for it? This is when the synchronicities, the simultanities, the synchronicities, the opportunities start to kind of come to you.

• 17:08Joe Dispenza?

  Like you're not going anywhere and working hard and doing a lot of things to get it. Somehow they're kind of coming to you in ways that you hadn't thought about or you expected. And that's kind of the wake-up call to say, "Lewis, you're the creator of your life, you're not the victim of your life." Right? So we use meditation to be greater than our body, to be greater than our environment, to be greater than time. And if you close your eyes and you disconnect from the outer world, play music to fill the space, can't hear the coffee, you can't hear your kids, you can't hear the lawnmower next door. Your inner world is starting to become more real than your outer world. Yeah, you gotta get past yourself in the beginning, but if you do that really well, if the change is to be greater than your environment, to be greater than your body and greater than time, we use meditation and take all of your attention off of your environment,

• 17:53Joe Dispenza?

  all of your attention off your body, and all of your attention off of time. And the moment a person is no longer aware of their environment and the people and the objects and things and places, they're no longer aware of their body and they're no longer aware of time, they're no longer in the program. That is the moment they're liberated and there's a dramatic change that happens in the brain and body. So we labor for that moment called getting beyond yourself, right? The third thing we do meditation for is to get beyond the analytical mind. And what separates the conscious mind from the subconscious mind is the analytical mind. And about 5% of who we are is our conscious mind by the time we're in our late 30s. And then the 95% that's been programmed because of certain habits and behaviors

• 18:34Joe Dispenza?

  or beliefs and perceptions and attitudes and emotion and reactions and emotional conditioning, that 95% has been programmed subconsciously. So we teach people how to slow their brainwaves down. Well, we figured out a way to teach them how to slow their brainwaves down, get out of the thinking analytical critical mind and get beyond it so you can enter the operating system where those programs exist and rewrite the program.

• 18:58Lewis Howes?

  If someone is stuck in their head, call it the analytical mind, thinking, criticizing, judging, assessing, you know, worrying, I guess, they're analytical about a situation, right and wrong, what is that doing to their body if their mind is always analytical?

• 19:15Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, I don't think there's anything wrong with the analytical mind. I really love my analytical mind. I think you do too, because what the analytical mind is for is to weigh knowns against unknowns.

• 19:25Lewis Howes?

  Strategizing.

• 19:26Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, they're kind of just go, okay, I know this, I want this. How am I gonna go from wanting this to having this, right? And the analytical mind tries-

• 19:33Lewis Howes?

  Possibilities.

• 19:34Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, tries to figure things out. And I think it's good. It helps us to navigate in our world, right?

• 19:38Lewis Howes?

  When does the analytical mind get in our way?

• 19:40Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, that's a great question. So when you get stressed out, when you get anxious, when you get fearful, when you get angry, when you get agitated, when you get frustrated, when you feel pain, suffering, guilt, those kind of limited emotions start to drive the analytical mind to overanalyze and to overthink. And what we've discovered by looking at enough brains in action in real time, that when we analyze our life- Within some disturbing emotion, we make our brains worse. Hmm. Because, because the emotion is a record of the past. Oh. So you're thinking in the past, you're thinking in the box, there's no solution there. So every time you start thinking, over analyzing, you're producing the chemistry to arouse your brain and body even more.

• 20:25Joe Dispenza?

  And now you're in a loop, right? And that's kind of ruminating, or whatever you want to call that, obsessing, over focusing. You tend to narrow our focus on something, like when we're under stress. It's really important to put all of your attention on the cause, right? Because you gotta be able to deal with it. But a lot of times, those causes are fictitious, right? And so now we're over focusing our attention on something. And the act of over focusing our attention drives our brain further out of balance, right? We start revving it up into more aroused states. The answer will never be there because that person's thinking in the known. They're thinking in the box. If they say, okay, for the next five days, I'm just gonna follow the instructions, I'm just gonna change. And they stop, our data shows that you can shut this thing off.

• 21:10Joe Dispenza?

  We, we know how to do it so well.

• 21:14Joe Dispenza?

  You can do it so well that you can do it with your eyes open. In other words, the critic in your mind that's saying, well, never happens, too hard, start tomorrow, all that stuff. That voice is gone. Not only during the meditation, but when the person opens their eyes after a seven day event. Their brain is still in that present moment state, right? It's not trying to predict anything. It's called the, it's called the default mode network in the brain. And the paper that you were talking about that we're super excited about. It was published in a nature journal, it was a communications biology, it's been super, super popular, you know, amongst the scientific community. Because we did FMRI studies on advanced meditators and novice meditators. Is this the UC San Diego study or a different one?

• 21:59Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, the UC San Diego study. So we were doing an event in San Diego, um, and the, you know, the university is right there. So we were seeking participants, bringing them up to the FMRI lab. And we were getting a baseline. We had, you know, put them in the FMRI machine and we kind of looked at their brains before they started the event. And then we put them in a seven day immersive experience of change and transformation. And at the end of the seven days, we wanted to see how much their brains changed. And we had no idea that we would see these kind of dramatic changes in seven, in seven days, which is really insane. But the default mode network in the brain, the brain's predictor. It's always trying to predict the future based on the past.

• 22:38Joe Dispenza?

  And it's not like, um, you know, if I, a great example of a predictive model is if I throw a ball, you don't react to it, you just predict where it's gonna go, right? And that's how we live our life. The brain is predicting just like that. It's a prediction, prediction machine. It's an anticipation machine. And when it's really busy trying to anticipate the future based on the past, it consumes an enormous amount of brain energy. Like it really consumes almost all the brain's energy, right? Cause we have to be able to predict the next moment creates safety, right? And when you feel safe then, right, you can relax. So it turns out that most people's default modes are on high gear. That's the voice in the chatter in their head.

• 23:20Joe Dispenza?

  It's always trying to get away from, you know, whatever, something important to them. So the default mode network and the salience network, which are two important networks in the brain. By the end of seven days, and both novice and advanced meditators were completely dialed down. And there's now, there's an enormous amount of energy left in the brain, right? Because if it's consuming that amount, uh, it could be used for other things. The degree of change that took place in default mode network, um, looks just like a person who's on psilocybin. Um, cause psilocybin actually shuts the default mode network off in the brain. But this, the, the participants were doing that without taking any exogenous substances. In other words, by wrestling for the present moment and being uncompromising

• 24:06Joe Dispenza?

  and working with catching themselves, thinking certain thoughts, catching themselves feeling aroused and impatient and settling the body down and working like that and catching themselves going to predictable future and bringing themselves back to the present moment. The act of doing that sooner or later dialed that whole system way, way down to such a degree that the person looked like they were taking an exogenous substance.

• 24:32Lewis Howes?

  This is what I love about the work you're doing and the research backing it. Uh, cause what I have here in front of me says that these brain scans from your retreats are now showing the same neural activity, previously only documented with people taking these types of psychedelics.

• 24:45Joe Dispenza?

  Yes.

• 24:46Lewis Howes?

  And so what is meditation actually doing to the brain that we previously didn't know? That is making it feel like it's on psychedelics?

• 24:55Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, well, we're super interested uh in that principle because we're seeing more and more people reach certain brainwave states where they have a transcendental experience. In other words, we're perceiving less than 1% of reality. We're basically looking at the rainbow, red, orange, yellow, blue, green, indigo, violet, the spectrum of light, visible light, and the whole electromagnetic spectrum. That's the only thing that we're perceiving that's bouncing off the most stable form of energy called matter, right? Fooling us into this kind of illusion of this simulation, right?

• 25:29Lewis Howes?

  This 3D world.

• 25:30Joe Dispenza?

  Right, this 3D world. So there's probably more information in the inmaterial than there is in the material.

• 25:37Lewis Howes?

  Right.

• 25:37Joe Dispenza?

  And the probability then that we're perceiving the truth of reality is zero. It's zero because our brain is not molded. It's not shaped. It's not, the circuits are, are, are not there to perceive anything else but the material world. And if you're living for generations untold in survival, uh, when you're, the hormones of stress and survival are switched on, we become materialist and we now are focused on the cause. So if you're looking for food, or if you're facing off with a predator, you gotta run from one point to another point, all of your attention is on matter. So through generations, the brain is kind of edited out energy and frequency other than that frequency band of light, right? So

• 26:18Joe Dispenza?

  when people have these transcendental experiences, they're seeing beyond the veil of that very small percentage of reality and seeing more of the reality that exists that's in the inmaterial than in the material beyond our senses, right?

• 26:31Lewis Howes?

  Before you go on there, for someone watching or listening right now, who just thinks, come on, Dr. Joe, this is all, this is a little too much for me. Like, we live in the material world. I've gotta go from point A to point B. It's taken me a decade to get to this stage in my career. You know, breakdowns happen, bad things happen, like, we're all victims here. We're all victims to life circumstances, to the government, to our boss, to our spouse. We, you know, is there really something else that matter?

• 27:02Joe Dispenza?

  Well, I think people who do psychedelics, um, uh, I mean, I, I just don't believe you have to do psychedelics to have that experience.

• 27:10Lewis Howes?

  For me, I have felt the healing power of allowing my heart to calm itself down. And my mind to be in coherence with my heart, the way you teach it in your retreats. And how it allows me to have more creative energy, more energy to be graceful and compassionate towards people than when maybe I used to be resistant and frustrated and angry. More capacity to respond differently. It doesn't mean I'm perfect all the time. I'm still, you know, a driven human being, but it's like, it allows me to think a lot better.

• 27:47Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I mean, but what happens when the surgery didn't work and the chemo didn't work and the radiation didn't work? And the ketogenic diet didn't work and the vegan gluten free, organic diet, raw diet didn't work and, and all the other things.

• 28:05Lewis Howes?

  You still have complications.

• 28:07Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, because chronic lives, the chronic health conditions require a lifestyle change. And nothing changes in our life until we change, right? So the person who's gonna make a different choice and begin to do different things and create different experiences and feel different emotions and change the way they think and believe. Those, those are the ones that on a more probable than not basis are going to heal and change. And what our data shows, that if you decide to make a change and immerse yourself in it for full on for seven days. I could say this is what our data says. I'm not saying this.

• 28:38Lewis Howes?

  That's what the research scientists are saying.

• 28:40Joe Dispenza?

  Research says your, your nervous system can manufacture a pharmacy of chemicals that works three times better than any drug. That's what our data shows.

• 28:49Lewis Howes?

  Wow, three times?

• 28:51Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, so, so, so a great drug trial, right? A great drug study is about between eighteen and twenty-five percent. Every now and then you get a drug where it's thirty percent, but twenty-five is a good measure, one out of four people.

• 29:03Lewis Howes?

  Where it works, it's effective, thirty percent of the time.

• 29:06Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, one out of four people, just make it simple.

• 29:07Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 29:08Joe Dispenza?

  So in our, in our seven day events. At the end of seven days, just take this as an example. Everybody has their own genotype and genes make proteins. Your genotype is different than mine, based on our, our culture, based on our ancestors, all of that. Race, you know, countries. But if genes make proteins and, and proteins are responsible for the structure and function of your body. At the end of seven days, when we look at everybody with their own individual genotypes. At the end of seven days, 80% of the population is expressing the same genes and making the same proteins. What does that mean? 80%? That means the flock, the tribe, the herd.

• 29:50Joe Dispenza?

  There's an emergent consciousness that's happening when people think differently, when they act differently and they feel differently. That's literally being reflected in their biology. 80%. If we do a study on, on advanced meditators and we take their plasma and we put it in the presence of different cancer cells. 84% of the people that are advanced meditators have factors in their blood that stop cancer from multiplying and moving. That's, it's a very high percentage. It takes 70% of the mitochondrial function out of the cell. If we do, if we do a study on pain, right? 63 different diseases people come to our workshops for, 63 different chronic health conditions. What we see, it's unanimous across the board.

• 30:35Joe Dispenza?

  At the end of seven days, their pain levels are gone or diminished quite a bit, independent of their disease. And they have more energy, right? They have less fatigue. So we said, okay, so if, what does that mean? If they're having less pain, whether they have anxiety, depression, PTSD, cancer, MS, lupus, Parkinson's, doesn't matter. One intervention, not like, not like, like there's no one drug that works for all those, takes pain away for all those different diseases. One intervention is taking away pain in 63 different diseases. So we're sitting around talking with the scientists. And the next question is, is it possible, is it possible, independent of their health condition, that they're manufacturing their own endogenous opioids,

• 31:20Joe Dispenza?

  their own natural pharmacy of morphines, their own natural pharmacy of pain relievers? Okay, now take a guess of what the percentage was. Remember, drug studies, 25%.

• 31:32Lewis Howes?

  So of how many people coming after seven days are creating?

• 31:36Joe Dispenza?

  Their own endogenous opioids.

• 31:38Lewis Howes?

  Their own natural?

• 31:39Joe Dispenza?

  Their own pharmacy of anti-pain chemicals.

• 31:42Lewis Howes?

  What percentage? I don't know, 70, 80%, 90?

• 31:46Joe Dispenza?

  100%. 100% of the people, right?

• 31:50Lewis Howes?

  So 100% of the people coming in after seven days of meditation?

• 31:53Joe Dispenza?

  The 100% of the people that we measured, then they all were, in fact, one particular endogenous opioid called Dynorphine, was at such high quantities that we had to dilute, we had to dilute the substance to be able to measure it, because that's the, that's the intelligence of the body. So when I say the nervous system can manufacture a pharmacy of chemicals, that works three times better than the drug. At our very least, three times better would be 75%, right? But when we look at our community, it's when we're measuring different things, different factors, it's 80%, it's 84%, it's 95%, it's 100%, right? So the probability of that happening to you is very high. And we're not studying people

• 32:38Joe Dispenza?

  that have been dedicating 40 years of their life to meditation or prayer. These are people that we've finally, we've finally, through all of our research, figured out a formula. And if you could follow that formula, you'll notice that you'll start changing, right? And that's the important point.

• 32:54Lewis Howes?

  I mean, this whole concept of the internal pharmacy to create pain relief, again, you're talking about the research that's revealed that the body has what you call this internal pharmacy. If someone has been on medication to minimize their pain or just manage their pain that they've had for years, or they have to take medication in order to have a sense of relief of the pain they're feeling in their body.

• 33:18Lewis Howes?

  What does someone need to do to activate their internal pharmacy without pain medication, external medication? Like, what does someone need to do at home to activate their internal pharmacy to create pain relief right now?

• 33:32Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 33:33Lewis Howes?

  If they don't have seven days?

• 33:34Joe Dispenza?

  Let me say this, that I would never tell a person to come off their pain medication. What typically happens for most people is they feel so good that they realize they don't need it anymore.

• 33:44Lewis Howes?

  They forget to take it.

• 33:45Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, they forget to take it, or they just outgrow it. They have something like, we hear it's testimonial after testimonial. A lot of people say, just something switched on, like, I just felt something like I came back online, like I switched on. So first of all, the first step, of course, is that we've been programmed into something else. We've not been programmed into the understanding that your body has the innate capacity to to produce these pharmacology of chemicals that could heal you, right? It's not in our belief system. We've been, we've been conditioned into believing if you take some exogenous substance and the moment you take it and it takes away your pain, the moment you notice that that pain goes away, you remember what caused it. So the next time you feel that discomfort, the next time you feel that pain, your brain

• 34:29Joe Dispenza?

  automatically craves that image to take away the pain. And so we become dependent on certain things.

• 34:34Lewis Howes?

  We've also, you know, tons of research of placebo effect of people taking a sugar pill or some other neutral tablet for pain relief and it giving them that relief at the same time, even though it had none of the chemicals

• 34:47Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 34:47Lewis Howes?

  that were supposed to give that relief, correct?

• 34:49Joe Dispenza?

  No, this is a hundred percent true. In fact, I wrote a book about it. And, and

• 34:53Lewis Howes?

  You are the placebo.

• 34:54Joe Dispenza?

  Right, and that, and it's kind of, I was so mad at myself for so long, because if you think about it, how can you give someone a sugar pill, a saline injection, or perform some false sham surgery or procedure? A certain percentage of those people will accept, believe, and surrender to the thought without any analysis that they're actually getting the real substance or treatment. And they begin to program their autonomic nervous system to manufacture a pharmacy of chemicals equal to the, to the, the substance they think they're taking. So was it the inert substance that was healing them? Or were they healing by thought alone? So my thing is, why do you need a placebo?

• 35:39Joe Dispenza?

  If you understand the mechanisms of how that occurs, can you teach people actually how to do that on command? And the answer is yes. We've done research where we've taken people. They have no idea what the name of the gene, they could barely pronounce it. We show them a picture of these quaternary structures of these proteins that these genes make. Their critical analytical thinking mind has no idea how many amino acids they're made of, what the sequence of the amino acids are, has no idea the atomic weight, the structure. All they need is the name. If we get them in the right state of mind, in the right state of body and body, and the door between the conscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open to information,

• 36:21Joe Dispenza?

  would their intention to regulate that gene, to make that protein, could they use intention? And could intention serve as information to actually signal that gene? Okay, you ready? Hundred percent of the people in the first study, okay? And the second study was about ninety-five percent. They regulated the gene. Just by thought alone? By thought alone. So now think about this. Not taking a pill, not taking medicine, not... So this is not for everybody. So for a person who really wants to understand this, there's a lot of learning that has to go on. And that's what we did with our paper. We wanted to make sure, and this is what I do with my workshops. I want to challenge your current beliefs, and you got to reconceptualize certain things again

• 37:05Joe Dispenza?

  because it's so much easier to forget it than to remember it, right? So it takes constant review and rehearsal and thinking about it. And that's what we do. We teach people information. They got to teach it back to the person next to them. They got to get it wired in their brain. They got to understand the what and the why, so the how is instrumental, right? So they can assign meaning behind the act. So a person who truly wants to heal and change, and by the way, we've had so many people in the last five years, never even make it to a week-long event. Just grab a book and read it or do the online course, do the meditations, and, you know, show up and not have Parkinson's disease or show up and not have cancer anymore, show up and not have a certain health condition or become abundant or whatever it was. So people are teaching themselves how to do it, but I would never, ever, ever ask a person...

• 37:50Joe Dispenza?

  Decept into the experience without the knowledge first. I really think knowledge is the forerunner, right? And the more with knowledge that we have and understand, the more we can assign meaning when it comes to doing something with it. So if a person really says, you know what? I saw the data, like if he's saying that I went and looked up the article and it looks like they're actually making their own pharmacy of chemicals. If there are other people are doing it of all ages, of all races, of all sizes and shapes and cultures, all diets, I can do it too, right? And that's how a new consciousness is reflected in the collective, right? So, so a person who really wants to do this, they just need the knowledge and the information and the curiosity.

• 38:32Joe Dispenza?

  We study the language of transformation and curiosity is the big one. When you come in curious, like I'm curious, like I'm curious. And the curiosity it leads to the challenge, right? Because now, once you got it up there now, you know, the challenge is that somehow you got to change. And really, nobody changes unless they're challenged, right? I mean, that's the way it is. So then there's the challenge of the wrestling of their old belief and the new belief. This is how change happens. And it's painful, it's painful. It's uncomfortable, it's painful. It takes a lot to get out of those programs, to disinvest out of those programs, takes energy and awareness. But, but, but the act of doing it enough times then, all of a sudden causes the person really to no longer believe in that and start to believe in something else.

• 39:17Joe Dispenza?

  Now, if you're constantly revising the model, experience is the greatest professor. Keep asking the person, go into the experience, have the experience, learn from the experience, evolve your experience and over time, you start feeling better. Now, we didn't say, go make your own endogenous opioids. That was just the side effect of a person no longer tormenting themselves. Living in the past. Complaining and blaming and feeling pain and feeling suffering. The body was relieved. The pain is the past, right? The body's out of the past and now it's liberated, it's free, right? Can the body be in pain thinking about the future? It does it all the time. I mean, when you're in stress, what do you do? Always we go to the worst case scenario. We always go to the worst case scenario because if you can prepare for the worst, if anything less happens, you had a better chance of living and surviving, right?

• 40:02Joe Dispenza?

  And it's all about staying alive.

• 40:04Lewis Howes?

  So I've heard you say, you know, a lot of the pain comes from the memory of the past and holding on to that memory of who hurt you or what went wrong or the shame you had around something you did to someone else, whatever it might be. Or that accident I had or whatever it might be. But it's also pain is caused by thinking about the unknown of the future?

• 40:20Joe Dispenza?

  Absolutely, you can, you could think about some worst case scenario and fixate on that stream of consciousness to such a degree that your inner world becomes more real than your outer world, whatever that worst case scenario is. And you'll actually feel the emotion of that future before it happens. You feel the anxiety, you feel the fear, you feel the worry. And the body's getting a rush of adrenaline, it's getting agitated. And you're conditioning the body to become the mind of fear. And that's how people have panic attacks. Do it enough times. It's so conditioned, the body, the body will have a panic attack without your conscious mind. Try as you may to control it with your conscious mind. You can't, you programmed it subconsciously, right? And so many people wind up suffering about and imagining a life that never really happens.

• 41:03Joe Dispenza?

  But they're living it every day until something finally does happen, right?

• 41:09Lewis Howes?

  I just did a speech at a mastermind event a few weeks ago of a lot of top entrepreneurs, those that are doing, you know, seven figures in their business and more. These are successful people who have accomplished a certain amount in their career or their business. But even at that stage, there was a group of people, I said, raise your hand if you've had a dream to write a book or launch a new project or a show or something creative you wanted to do. But you've been thinking about for over a year and most of the room had their hand raised. And I go, keep your hand raised if you've been thinking about launching this book or this idea for five years. And still a lot of the room had it raised. And I go, keep your hand raised if you've thought about this for 10 years. Not as many, but still people have their hand raised if they've been thinking about doing this

• 41:53Lewis Howes?

  dream, this idea, this project, this thing that they wanted to put themselves out there in a bigger way. And these were successful individuals, but so many of them had this fear of the future of it not working out and not being as big of a success as the previous thing or whatever reason. Why do so many people who are also successful struggle at putting themselves out there, creating their dream, launching the project, doing something new? Why do so many people struggle or suffer by not taking action of that thing they really wanna do? And they wait for years.

• 42:32Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, yeah, well, again, you know, it's the same same thing with change, you know? And people who say, one day I'm gonna change or I'll change tomorrow, they're in a program, right? So more than likely, the person hasn't just carved out the passion, but the the ingredient that brings something to life, because we study this now, is really the excitement of that vision. You can have that vision, and if it's sterile without the excitement, there's no energy to move towards it. But nobody's gonna create that excitement but you. I mean, no one's coming for you. No one's gonna come for you and say that. And like a person who just says, oh, my God, I saw a vision. Wow, I am so excited, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. It's no longer have to.

• 43:16Lewis Howes?

  It's happening.

• 43:16Joe Dispenza?

  They're already living in that future, right? The thing is, if they keep it alive.

• 43:21Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, what if you have excitement, but the fear is greater than the excitement?

• 43:25Joe Dispenza?

  Then you'll never change.

• 43:26Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 43:27Joe Dispenza?

  You'll never change.

• 43:28Lewis Howes?

  The fear has to be, like, there might be some anxiety or some, you know, worry, is this gonna work?

• 43:33Joe Dispenza?

  It's just a choice. When you make a choice to change, and you you have that decision, and that decision carries an amplitude of energy that's greater than the hard-wired programs in your brain and the emotional conditioning in your body, so that the body responds to a new mind. The choice that you make in that moment arouses the body to feel the emotion of that future before it happens. The stronger the emotion you feel, the more you remember that choice. In in a sense, you're giving your body a sampling, a taste of the future emotionally. And so many people say, I can remember the moment. I made up my mind to change. I can tell you exactly where I was, what time of day it was,

• 44:17Joe Dispenza?

  who I was with, because the event became a long-term memory, right? So the stronger the emotion we feel to some trauma in our life, the more we pay attention to it, the more we brand that in our brain and body as a long-term memory. Now, the person's doing that by thought alone, so if they can't come out of their resting state,

• 44:37Joe Dispenza?

  then in a sense, it's not that they're lying to themselves, that just the body just knows they're not gonna do it. And so the body can say, stay on the couch, watch one more round of Netflix, watch one more show.

• 44:48Lewis Howes?

  Oh, some more ice cream.

• 44:49Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, get to it tomorrow. You're doing great. But that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But if a person truly wants to actualize their dream, they gotta be possessed by it. I mean, to such a degree.

• 45:03Lewis Howes?

  Obsessed.

• 45:04Joe Dispenza?

  Obsessed. Obsessed, like it's on their mind all the time, not like I have to. It's just like, oh, my God, I'm so excited about this. And I've seen people in our work create enormous abundance. The moment they locked in, they were just like, oh, I knew it. Like, the body got it, right? The body's getting the taste of the future. And then all they had to do is keep that feeling going every day. Because it was that energy, that excitement, that was driving them to get out of bed and make a different choice, even though they didn't want to. And when we make those choices, in spite of those voices over and over again, the voices go away. And whether you're becoming a champion in handball, or whether you're being a father, or whatever it is that you make up your mind to do, if you really make up your mind to do that,

• 45:48Joe Dispenza?

  you gotta make a different choice, a lot of different choices. And those choices lead to different behaviors, and that's how you change.

• 45:53Lewis Howes?

  Let me ask you a question. If, you know, if you're able to coach me, use me as an example. I've had this dream, I've told you about this, I've had this dream to be an Olympian, to be an Olympic athlete playing with USA Team Handball in Los Angeles in less than two and a half years away, right? And I've been... Clear about this dream for the last eighteen years, once I got into the sport. And I moved to new cities, I went to different countries, I've traveled the world playing this sport. I've moved all my time and energy around making it happen to get on the USA national team, staying on the team for a decade. Then life happened and I got off track for a few years, but now I've been back for the last few years,

• 46:33Lewis Howes?

  reorganizing my time and setting my life up in a way to get myself to the Olympics as an athlete in 2028. Now, I feel, I get goosebumps just thinking about it and saying it. I feel it in my body, I feel excited, I see myself on the bench, coming off the bench, scoring a goal. I see myself singing the national anthem in front of thirty thousand people, I feel it. I feel like all the things that I've had to overcome to get there and the obstacles in my way that were just like, I'm excited about these obstacles because it's just helped me grow into changing and developing into the person I need to be to make this thing happen. But I also know it's not guaranteed, like tomorrow's not guaranteed, I may not be here, like,

• 47:17Lewis Howes?

  whatever reason, there might be a reason why I'm not on the team. I also have that understanding that you can set an intention for a big goal, a big dream. I want to hit this much in sales or make this much or have this type of thing and you could feel it and it still may not happen. Or it may look different than what you originally ambitioned, right? It may, maybe something better happens, maybe it's like, life happens in some other way. Could you coach me as an example for anyone else who has a big dream, two, four, ten years away? That they're excited about, they're organizing their life, they're planning, they're taking the daily actions, they're letting go of the old self and stepping into that new self that actualizes that goal and dream. Could you coach me on the process?

• 47:59Lewis Howes?

  If there's anything that might be limiting me from holding me back from creating this, is it even silly for me to say, well, maybe it won't happen, like even remove that thought? Should I let that go and say, it's happening no matter what? Like, how should I be interpreting and thinking? About this, while I'm taking the actions, I'm doing the right steps. I'm embodying the emotion, I'm visualizing, I'm all those things I'm doing, but is there anything I'm doing wrong?

• 48:26Joe Dispenza?

  Well, first of all, I think you're doing a lot of things right.

• 48:28Lewis Howes?

  Okay, that's good.

• 48:29Joe Dispenza?

  Just because, just your body language in general and just your enthusiasm and theos filled with God. You're the, the idea of that future is so amazing that you're experiencing it right now.

• 48:39Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, like it chills when I think about it.

• 48:41Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, that's exactly the body responding to the mind, right? And so I think it's really healthy, everything you're doing is really great. There's always that one catch of like, what if it isn't the truth? Like, what if I love this stuff and what if it doesn't work? It's a really tough one. I, I face that a lot too.

• 48:57Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 48:58Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, but, but, but like, what's the alternative? The alternative is you're not gonna play small at this point.

• 49:04Lewis Howes?

  I'm not.

• 49:05Joe Dispenza?

  You're not.

• 49:05Lewis Howes?

  I'm all in.

• 49:06Joe Dispenza?

  So, I always ask myself, what is that point where everybody else stops? Wherever that point is, I'm gonna go past that point. Because, because if I can go past that point where everybody stops, I'm gonna have a lot of trust in myself. A lot of belief in myself, right? So, and your belief in yourself has to be earned, right? You have to earn that.

• 49:23Lewis Howes?

  Yes, you gotta stake it.

• 49:25Joe Dispenza?

  You can't, you can't, you gotta show up enough times where you start feeling pretty worthy, right? And, you know, there's limitations with talent and skill and all that, you know, all that stuff, age, all those things are factors. But if you're doing everything that you're doing, the way you're doing it right now, I think it's also really healthy to be totally resolved if it doesn't happen. Cause if you're very resolved, if it doesn't happen, then you could say, that was a great ride. Like, I would never be this guy, right? And then, of course, oh, as you said, I always leave that door open for like, okay, that didn't happen, but wow, this happened and it happened in a way that I'd never thought of, right? I'd never expected.

• 50:04Lewis Howes?

  Some people might think about this and say, okay, you have to obsess about the goal, the dream, the outcome that you wanna create, whether it's a year away or 10 years away. But if it doesn't happen and you're obsessed about it, are you crushed? Is like your life over? You know, some people may not be prepared for when it doesn't happen.

• 50:21Joe Dispenza?

  It's never over.

• 50:22Lewis Howes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 50:23Joe Dispenza?

  It's never over.

• 50:24Lewis Howes?

  So how do you in your mind have all the excitement, all the joy, all the anticipation? Feel the feelings, think things, do the actions?

• 50:33Lewis Howes?

  But then is there also 1% of you saying, but this may not happen and that's okay?

• 50:37Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah.

• 50:37Lewis Howes?

  Okay, so that's how you interpret it?

• 50:39Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, but I mean, I mean, that is not a voice that I'm going to allow to dominate my mind.

• 50:43Lewis Howes?

  So it's not going to be a 99% of the time?

• 50:45Joe Dispenza?

  It's just a healthy voice that like Joe, you're going to go as hard as you can, you're going to go all in. You're going to make something that you're going to enjoy doing.

• 50:52Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 50:53Joe Dispenza?

  And your goal is realistic and you can get there and just keep going past that point where you normally stop. Put in a little extra time, work a little harder, feel good about it. And you may arrive and you may not, and if you don't, be okay with it, but we're focusing on this as an outcome.

• 51:08Lewis Howes?

  So you have that thought as well sometimes?

• 51:09Joe Dispenza?

  Of course, but, but, but what's taken me the longest time is to try and to no longer try to control the outcome.

• 51:15Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 51:16Joe Dispenza?

  And so we have to lay down the very thing we've done our whole life to get what we want for something else to happen. And that's not that easy, right?

• 51:22Lewis Howes?

  So what's the difference between trying to control the outcome and doing everything you can to create the outcome? And also surrendering to what happens?

• 51:30Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, I think it's, I think when you get to a point where you're satisfied with yourself, that's really, it's really easy to surrender.

• 51:37Lewis Howes?

  How do you know if you're satisfied or if that's the point where you usually stop and everyone stops and you need to continue?

• 51:42Joe Dispenza?

  No, I mean, you know what that point is.

• 51:43Lewis Howes?

  Okay.

• 51:44Joe Dispenza?

  You always know what that point is where you went, wow, I would have never pushed myself this hard today. I'm so glad I showed up. I'm really happy with my effort. Let me just review what I did well. I want to do that again. Catalog that in there, rehearse it a few times and then go out and enjoy your day. Like, and I think, and I think surrender is not something that you ever, you ever finish with. I think it's an ongoing process. My, my understanding of surrender today is very different than it was a year ago. Because it's an ongoing process of letting go, right?

• 52:14Lewis Howes?

  What have you had to surrender to in your life recently?

• 52:17Joe Dispenza?

  No, I, I mean, it's always a constant process of trusting the unknown.

• 52:22Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 52:23Joe Dispenza?

  And if I start getting in the way, especially if I'm in the creative process, and sometimes if I try to direct it, it doesn't always work for me. So I have to have, I have to be one foot in the real world and one foot in the quantum world. You know, I gotta straddle both worlds. So.

• 52:40Lewis Howes?

  What does that look like? One foot in the real world and one? We'll put in the quantum world.

• 52:44Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, I mean, it's like you're gonna get up and you're gonna go to work. You're gonna be kind to people, you're gonna be, you're gonna be caring, you're gonna be in good spirits, you're gonna do your absolute best. Uh, you know, you're gonna do all the things that make you a great person. And, you know, you're gonna, there's a lot of things you have to do in life that, because we're in a plane of demonstration, we do, right? But if you're creating in your meditations and you're creating from the field.

• 53:08Joe Dispenza?

  You're, you're trying to expedite. The distance between the thought of what you want and the experience of having it, that's what, why we create from the field, right? So the synchronicities and the opportunities that start showing up should be, should be working along with you stepping into that future. In other words, you're not gonna be a great handball player unless you show up for practice.

• 53:27Lewis Howes?

  That's true.

• 53:28Joe Dispenza?

  I mean, I have friends in college that applied every year to be an astronaut. And I say to them, they're never gonna pick you. You don't know the first thing about aerospace, like, but they did it anyway because they love doing it, right? So there's a reality, you know, there's a reality check here where you gotta work hard. That's the three D world, you gotta, you gotta still show up, you still gotta change diapers, you still gotta do things, right?

• 53:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 53:51Joe Dispenza?

  You good, and that's the three D world, but you do it with grace, you do it with respect, you do it with honor, you do it with dignity, you do it with, in a certain state. And with love. And then you create from the field and, you know, that's where you, where you're looking if the experiment. How much of the experiment you could actually prove to be true for yourself, right? And that's the fun part. So, nothing is ever lost, ever lost in that process. Because a person who dedicates their life to something like that and goes all in. And gets to a certain point and they make it, or they get to a certain point that's just shy of it. If the person is astute in life, they'll use that same thing to create something even greater in their life, greater than the dream that they had right there. And they'll expedite the outcome in a shorter amount of time.

• 54:36Joe Dispenza?

  So in the, in the light of all eternity, uh, you're, you know, every religion says we're eternal, except for maybe a few. That, you know, consciousness never dies because energy never does. You're gonna be around a long time, you know, so how many experiences could you have, right? So what's the rush? Right? So I think it's what you're doing is there's a healthy immersive way to do it. And and just the resolves is with yourself and the resolve is I've given my absolute best.

• 55:06Lewis Howes?

  Gotcha.

• 55:07Joe Dispenza?

  And if you've if you resolve that way, you feel satisfied that way. Somehow we lose, we let go of how it's gonna happen. And and when we let go of how it's gonna happen, it happens in a new way. Again, sometimes it's really surprising, which it which it should be, right?

• 55:20Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. And so do you ever have self doubt then? Does your does the voices in your head? When you have some crazy big idea, do you ever say, eh? Maybe you've gone a little extra far this one time, do you? Eh, what are you thinking? Okay, you've been able to create this, but that is just so unrealistic. Like, have you ever thought that?

• 55:38Joe Dispenza?

  Well, two things about that. In the work that we do in the events, I I always want to be methodical. I want a person to heal themselves first. If they heal themselves, they can heal another person. If they heal another person, you know, then there's other things they can heal another person remotely, which we've seen. So these are new experiences that are new opportunities in the field that, you know, many people may not ever embrace. But I never want to stretch them to such a point where there's a big gap between their current understanding and this idea of something really amazing, without filling that space with information and knowledge. I doubt when I don't have the substantial and important information enough to to to solidify that belief.

• 56:23Joe Dispenza?

  Because if I start doubting then, I'm either living in the emotion of the past. And if I am, I can't see that future because that future has a different emotion, right? So I gotta work my way back into that state. And and let's not make this be about me, because there have been hundreds, if not thousands of people that have healed in this work and they've done their meditation sometimes three times a day. And why were they doing them three times a day? Because they started doubting again. And they started disbelieving again, and they started feeling the emotions of doubt.

• 56:57Joe Dispenza?

  And instead of staying there, they went back down and they changed their emotional state. And they got, they got up after that meditation, believing in themselves and believing in their future again. And that is exactly the overcoming process that leads to the becoming process. So we're always going to come up against our disbelief. Our chronic disbelief will always be there. You'll know it'll be there the moment you make up your mind to change. It'll just go, okay, Lewis, here we go. I'm going to show you a few of those that have been sitting in there. They've been keeping you in the known. You stepping out in the end and this can't happen and all of that. And those are the barriers that have people return back to the known. It feels right to them, right?

• 57:36Joe Dispenza?

  But we should come across those beliefs because we can stop believing that and start believing in something else. I mean, and my beliefs, even in the last five years, in the last two years, has changed in what's possible for you.

• 57:50Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 57:51Joe Dispenza?

  By far, just unbelievable things happening.

• 57:56Lewis Howes?

  With new beliefs coming to you of what's possible, what have been the challenges, the old beliefs that have tried to get in your way personally?

• 58:06Joe Dispenza?

  I would probably say, if it happened once, could it happen again, right? I mean, we had a couple of people regrow organs and tissues. So that's not something, yeah.

• 58:17Lewis Howes?

  You regrew them?

• 58:18Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, that were surgically removed. Well, that's not something that I like to say publicly.

• 58:22Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 58:23Joe Dispenza?

  Too many times, but you know, what does that mean?

• 58:26Lewis Howes?

  That seems crazy to me.

• 58:27Joe Dispenza?

  I know, it stretches my belief, like I had to.

• 58:29Lewis Howes?

  They regrew organs?

• 58:30Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, like someone had their rectum and colon surgically removed, like nine centimeters. And she grew 10 centimeters of her colon back.

• 58:38Lewis Howes?

  That seems crazy to me.

• 58:39Joe Dispenza?

  It's crazy, right? And so what does that mean though? It means the human body has the innate capacity to regenerate itself at any age if it's given the right information. That's not part of our programming, right? So like, that's something, I had to watch that testimonial 50 times in a row. Cause it was going so against my belief, right? So. I hope, I am hoping there's always a belief that I come up against. If I'm truly in the, in the, in the game of evolution, there should be another belief that says, I can't, or that's not possible, until someone does it. And you know, if someone does it once, there's a footprint in consciousness. That a person grows their thyroid back. You know, it's not common that you go to your doctor and they remove their thyroid and then they do the ultrasound and there's a thyroid there.

• 59:24Joe Dispenza?

  You know, like it's just, it's unbelievable.

• 59:26Lewis Howes?

  It's the four minute mile.

• 59:27Joe Dispenza?

  And a four minute mile, once it was broken, it was broken two weeks later and then.

• 59:31Lewis Howes?

  Hundreds of times, thousands.

• 59:33Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, exactly. So that's the same thing with our, with our people who create abundance, people who create changes in chronic, serious, stage four cancers and health conditions, blindness, deafness, whatever. They pop through a certain level of consciousness or unconsciousness and the collective is observing the person on a stage telling the story. And when they see the person telling the story and they don't look particularly fit or particularly young or dressed very well or buffed or they just look like someone at Whole Foods, you know, just you would pass by, but they don't have Parkinson's disease anymore. Or they don't need a colon bag anymore. They're, they're, you know, they're living their life. You know, so I think that is what causes the collective to see a possibility in reality.

• 1:00:16Joe Dispenza?

  And now it's, it's, it's amongst the collective's consciousness and the probability of it happening again is greater. So that's why we see some people when we're at events with, we had five people with Raynaud's syndrome at one event in Europe, you know, where they, you know, where you lose the feeling in your fingers and they're sensitized to, to cold. Five people at one event, because one person stood up and healed, four other people healed. We have five people step out of a wheelchair in Denver, you know. It's just not something you see, but when one person does it.

• 1:00:45Lewis Howes?

  Creates a belief.

• 1:00:46Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, and you know, the belief is not just an intellectual thing. There's the energy that goes with that belief and that is the energy that's causing them to believe in that future. I always want my beliefs challenged and, and, and, and because I think it's really healthy. Because I'm certainly, I'm aware of things that I would have never been aware of.

• 1:01:07Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:07Joe Dispenza?

  And before.

• 1:01:09Lewis Howes?

  I think a lot of people watching or listening, if they've seen your work on here or somewhere else before, they might believe, or they might have experienced that meditation has worked for them and allowing them to get some pain relief. They've had some relief, maybe they've had a, a full healing. But for those maybe who are new watching, I don't know if a lot of people have the belief that meditation is something that can heal you alone, that there has to be something external that you take to help you relieve pain. But for those watching who have never meditated before, or even those who've watched who've meditated for themselves, is it possible to learn how to heal yourself and then heal others?

• 1:01:55Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, the answer is yes. We see it all the time. We see it all the time.

• 1:01:59Lewis Howes?

  But for someone, someone who's never thought that's possible, unless they were some spiritual guru or Jesus, or someone who's like been given the gift, the hand of God to heal people, can regular, everyday people learn how to heal someone else?

• 1:02:15Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, the answer is absolutely yes.

• 1:02:17Lewis Howes?

  How is that possible?

• 1:02:18Joe Dispenza?

  I know. Well, of course, it takes knowledge and information. I mean, it takes a greater, you have to build a model based on science. You know, as an example, there is a field, you ask any quantum physicist, a theoretical physicist from Cambridge, anywhere, they'll tell you there's this invisible field, they'll tell you it's kind of like a liquid, you can't see it. And just like waves on the ocean, there are waves that move between us, and those waves carry information and particles are just bundled up, clusters of those waves interfering with each other. And if you look at the very, very, very, very anatomy of a particle, it's energy. So it's all energy, your energy, I'm energy, but we're just, again, gravitationally organized energy, right? So if there's a field between us and information

• 1:03:02Joe Dispenza?

  travels between us, can we jiggle that field? Can we create information in that field that could begin to change matter? And the data actually shows that it's not matter that's creating a field, it's the field that's creating matter. If you change the information in the field, and if change enough information in the field with brain and heart coherence, you're creating patterns of order that will slow down and change the destiny of matter. So.

• 1:03:30Joe Dispenza?

  Once again, you don't start your seven day advanced retreat with the understanding that you're going to do a healing on the first day. There's a lot of information that has to be built into our biology. There's a lot of experiences that have to take place. But the greatest changes that we see biologically across the chart, we look at our data, is when people are healing other people. Both listen, and the healers

• 1:03:55Lewis Howes?

  Themselves.

• 1:03:55Joe Dispenza?

  And the healers as well as the healies. I mean, we've had numerous people that are involved in the healing that have healed themselves from all kinds of health conditions. We could show video after video of people who have.

• 1:04:04Lewis Howes?

  While they're putting the energy towards healing someone else who has a physical pain or some type of condition, and they're actually getting the same, if not greater, healing benefit by creating healing for somewhere else.

• 1:04:18Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:04:18Lewis Howes?

  That's crazy.

• 1:04:19Joe Dispenza?

  It is crazy. But so, so, so we have these machines that are in the, in the ballroom. They're called the random event generators, right? They're very sophisticated coin tosses, right?

• 1:04:30Lewis Howes?

  Fifty fifty.

• 1:04:31Joe Dispenza?

  Fifty fifty. Zero one, zero one. It's quantum tunneling. Certain particles make it through, others don't. Well, they're stacked on top of each other, and they're tossing a coin about a thousand times a second, right?

• 1:04:44Lewis Howes?

  A second?

• 1:04:45Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah. So, the more you toss a coin, the more, over time, it's going to be fifty fifty, right? It's just going to be fifty percent heads, fifty percent tails. No one's in the room. You see this random zero one, zero one, one, one, one, zero, zero, zero, one, zero, one, zero, zero, zero, one, one, one, like that. But it's fifty fifty, right? It's random. Random means you can't predict it.

• 1:05:03Lewis Howes?

  Loose.

• 1:05:04Joe Dispenza?

  So during the coherence healings, remember, collective networks of observers determine reality. It's not the number of people. It's not the amount of energy. It's the most coherent signature.

• 1:05:13Lewis Howes?

  It could be two people. It is maybe thousands of people.

• 1:05:15Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, when you have two thousand people in a room.

• 1:05:16Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Joe Dispenza?

  Everybody has brain coherence and heart coherence by the end of the event. That means they can jiggle the jello really well, right? And, and when we do these coherence healings, we discover that when it's no longer about you. And it's about somebody else. You're gonna give way more than you've ever given before. Oh my gosh. And those machines that shoot zeros and ones all of a sudden go zero, one, zero, one, zero, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one, zero, one, one, one, one, one. They go right outside of normal. In other words, random events are no longer random and highly orderly. Okay, now here's the crazy part. Oh my gosh. It happens almost every single time we do coherence healing. So those random machines that are programmed,

• 1:06:01Joe Dispenza?

  machines that are programmed in material, in the material world to throw ones and zeros, some external force is influencing that machine. So if we take that machine now, we put five of them in the room or four of them in the room. We covered one in a Faraday cage, nickel and copper and lead so that no electromagnetism can get in there. That one machine behaves as if nobody's in the room while all the other ones are. Really? So we know that there's some field effect that's taking place. Now it goes a step further because we just published a paper in Explore Magazine just a couple, a month or so ago, two months ago. And what we discovered is that in all the other random event

• 1:06:42Joe Dispenza?

  machines that are placed around the globe in different cities, the pulse that's being created in that room with a certain signature. When all those random ones are randomly inter, no longer in any relationship with each one, throwing their own zeros and ones. At the exact moment we create the signature in the ballroom, all of those other machines mimic that signature in a very non-local way. No way. Yeah, yeah. I mean, these are your machines that you place in different place, not just. Yeah, there's, so, so, so, so there's. Really? There's a non-local communication that's taking place globally in the earth's field when collective networks of observers do something altruistic.

• 1:07:24Joe Dispenza?

  To give life to another person's life.

• 1:07:25Lewis Howes?

  This is crazy.

• 1:07:26Joe Dispenza?

  Or love them into life, however you want to say it. And so then what we discovered biologically, which is super insane, is that when the person is administering the healing, like we do groups of about six or eight, right? And you have to get your heart coherent, because a coherent heart produces a magnetic field. And whenever she makes it to the heart, it goes to the brain. You gotta get a coherent brain. And then you place your hands into the field of that person. If that person's field is coherent, the patterns that are created from their hands are interfering with everybody else's fields and is creating more complex patterns of order. And you're changing the information in the field of the person laying there to a greater level of order. And the hologram, right?

• 1:08:10Joe Dispenza?

  The tumor is the illusion. You're creating more order in the field. You should create more wholeness in three dimensional reality. So during the coherence healings, the majority of people move out of heart coherence at a certain point. That's because their sympathetic nervous system is switching on and they're getting really aroused. And the arousal's not fear. The arousal's not pain. The arousal is not aggression. The arousal's ecstasy. So in the act of healing another person.

• 1:08:37Lewis Howes?

  They feel the.

• 1:08:38Joe Dispenza?

  They feel the energy. You know, to do something unlimited, you gotta feel pretty unlimited, right? And so the energy in the room is absolutely insane. And I've been at every healing. And I could walk out and the hair on my back of my neck, when I walk out, the field in the room is so electrostatic that it feels like lightning is going to strike. And the more synchronized the group is, the more closer they are to a greater level of oneness or source. The shorter amount of time it takes place in three dimensional reality. And we've seen people that have one experience and yeah, their body's completely changed. Yeah, they get an upgrade. So is it possible? It's more than possible.

• 1:09:22Joe Dispenza?

  We've seen it happen over and over again. It's so much to the point, it surprises me.

• 1:09:26Lewis Howes?

  Now, the crazy thing is that someone watching or listening who doesn't believe in this, who doesn't believe in meditation or that thinks you need a pharmacy to heal yourself or whatever it might be, that you've demonstrated this many times over and over. And lots of people continue to demonstrate this on their own. I've seen this. I've been at one of your retreats and I've seen this myself. And it's fascinating, but also you just feel. Empowered, you feel abundant, you feel alive, right? And it's hard to resist it. It's really hard to go against the feeling of energy. But some people might maybe watching or listening might say, okay, maybe I could see that as a possibility where you could rub your hands together and think and feel a certain way and put it over someone.

• 1:10:09Lewis Howes?

  And maybe there'd be an energy field that could help them feel a little bit more energy. Okay, maybe they could buy that. But is it possible with your thought to heal someone in a different location in the world?

• 1:10:23Joe Dispenza?

  Okay, so I'm gonna answer these two questions. There's two questions in there. So I don't want to minimize the explanation that I gave for the coherence healings because it does take a little bit of training.

• 1:10:36Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:10:37Joe Dispenza?

  It does take some knowledge. I talk about research that was done at Yale University. Talk about this kind of electric field that is now becoming part of biology, information biology. It's not, it's not woo woo wells in space, it's the truth, right? So we have to build a model where a person's level of understanding is really clear enough that they understand that they could actually change information in the field with brain and heart coherence.

• 1:11:00Lewis Howes?

  They need to know it analytically and then feel it with belief also.

• 1:11:04Joe Dispenza?

  And they've had it gone through a certain amount of training, right? We don't do this at the beginning of the event. We do it at the end when people are really super tuned, right? So, so we did an experiment, right? When COVID happened, people were, we couldn't do events, but people still wanted to heal. So a lot of these groups formed where they were doing remote coherence healings. Now, the quantum field is an invisible field of energy. You can't see it, you can't smell it, you can't taste it, you can't feel it, you can't see it. It's beyond our senses that exists, that is real. I know it's hard for people to imagine this. It is absolutely real. And because it is real, we could actually use it or interact with it, right? So.

• 1:11:48Joe Dispenza?

  If the quantum, everything is connected, there's no separation. Do you really need to be in the room to heal a person? Or do you need just a coordinate? Do you need a picture? And that picture could be a target, right? And if you can get to that field, the thought of that person connects you to that person. And so we have probably close to seventeen remote coherence healing groups from different countries around the world that do remote coherence healings. We did a study just recently on people with PTSD.

• 1:12:22Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 1:12:23Joe Dispenza?

  And we did a measurement to determine if they were clinically, you know, diagnosed with PTSD. And then they went through these remote coherence healings. Remember now, they're laying in their bedroom and there are seventy to a hundred healers that are scattered around the world that just have a picture of them at the same time. Once again, they're not changing the person's body. They're changing information in their field. At the end of this study, the three month study, nine out of ten people that had PTSD no longer had it.

• 1:12:55Lewis Howes?

  Come on.

• 1:12:55Joe Dispenza?

  Nine out of ten, right? So there's no pharmaceutical that works that well. And I said to the researcher.

• 1:13:01Lewis Howes?

  Were they also doing meditation on their own?

• 1:13:03Joe Dispenza?

  Nope, nothing.

• 1:13:03Lewis Howes?

  No other interventions?

• 1:13:04Joe Dispenza?

  No, no.

• 1:13:05Lewis Howes?

  No medicine, no meditation, no?

• 1:13:07Joe Dispenza?

  Right, exactly.

• 1:13:08Lewis Howes?

  Just other people healing from different coordinates to their energy, but them not also eating differently or sleeping differently?

• 1:13:16Joe Dispenza?

  Nothing different.

• 1:13:17Lewis Howes?

  Really?

• 1:13:18Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah. And we have other metrics that we're analyzing right now. But I keep saying to the scientists, when in your adult life, when in your career did you ever think you would be studying the effects of remote coherence healings? And they're working better than any drug or any therapy? And what does this mean? It means we are connected. We absolutely are connected because for that person, and we've done so much work with autistic syndrome.

• 1:13:50Lewis Howes?

  Uh huh.

• 1:13:52Joe Dispenza?

  We've healed so many children, so many kids with really serious health conditions. And the payoff, Louis, is getting on a Zoom call. Uh, they do this once a month and somebody tells their story. And when you see a mother who's weeping in tears saying, "I can't believe my daughter smiling now and she held my hand in the shower."

• 1:14:13Lewis Howes?

  Oh.

• 1:14:14Joe Dispenza?

  And my, my, my son is no longer defecating every night when he goes to sleep. He's sleeping through the night, he's taking naps, he wants to make friends. He's no longer having emotional outbursts. He, he greeted and hugged his dad when he walked in. And they're, you know, she's weeping in joy. The greatest form of gratitude we'll ever experience is when we receive somebody else's gratitude, right?

• 1:14:35Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:35Joe Dispenza?

  And so here's a woman who's authentically grateful because you changed her child's life. The experience of doing that for the people who are the healers, they don't need a sports car, they don't need a wardrobe. There's no feeling like that, right?

• 1:14:51Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:52Joe Dispenza?

  This is kind of where the switch happens, right? Because these people, I've had so many opportunities to speak with them. They say, "No, no, you don't understand, like, I get so much out of this. Like, I could have had the worst day in the world and it comes time to heal another person. I can just forget about all of that, it's about somebody else." And they move closer to love, you know? And, and the experience produce, the experience of healing another person, knowing someone in the tribe, life was changed and their family's life was changed and their parents' life was changed and their friends and their school, everybody changes with one person changes. That's why they do it, they do it for that. And there's, they could be anonymous, they don't really care.

• 1:15:28Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:28Joe Dispenza?

  They don't want to be the healer. They're doing that because they know that that and seeing a person's life change is another experience in the quantum that brings us closer to the truth.

• 1:15:38Lewis Howes?

  And I think for someone watching or listening that might think this is crazy, just thinking about it.

• 1:15:43Joe Dispenza?

  It is crazy.

• 1:15:44Lewis Howes?

  Right?

• 1:15:44Joe Dispenza?

  It is.

• 1:15:45Lewis Howes?

  Maybe they think it is or they say, "Ah, it's not, show me the proof or show me the evidence." I bet there's a lot of people that have done something good for a stranger that have helped out at a orphanage or a soup kitchen or done community service that felt better after they did that act of service. And they actually felt like, "Oh, my pain, I don't feel as much pain just by helping another person, by giving and contributing to others." You don't have to be healing other people, but by doing that act, you feel better in general. Right? So I think people can understand that, that they've all done something good for someone else and felt better. And I think if you talk a lot of people who pray for others that are not in that room,

• 1:16:27Lewis Howes?

  and whether it's their whole community or their church says, we need to pray for this person who's in the hospital. And the whole community is thinking about and putting prayer and healing thought and energy towards that person and bringing them some relief. You hear people saying, wow, I just started feeling better.

• 1:16:43Joe Dispenza?

  Sure. And what's the difference?

• 1:16:44Lewis Howes?

  Exactly.

• 1:16:45Joe Dispenza?

  I mean, what is the difference? I mean, what is prayer anyway? Isn't that making thought more real than anything else? And isn't like, and, and the, we don't pray in desperation. Because if you're gonna love another person into life, you gotta be in love with life. That's what's, that's the energy that's gonna, they need. That's why it's sometimes really hard to heal people that we love in our life because we're so attached, right? We can't get beyond their pain to be able to change our state to, to, to reach that level that has an effect.

• 1:17:17Lewis Howes?

  So if someone, you know, if someone is imagining this scenario where, okay, after seven days, you're really, you're learning the science, you're learning the art of meditation to heal yourself. And then there's an energetic field. I understand this principle, the quantum field, and there's energy that you can't see. And so if there's a group of people putting loving, healing energy over someone else. Okay, maybe I could see a world where this, this works. But that's because you're next to someone and the energy from your body is radiating into the energy of their body and helping them. Like, I'm just thinking of a skeptic. But if you're not close to someone and they're thousands of miles away, how do you transmute that energy from your thought to your body?

• 1:18:01Lewis Howes?

  You're not close to that person to actually influence the energy around them. How does that influence the? Invisible world of energy around the human being thousands of miles away with just a thought and an intention of love and healing alone.

• 1:18:18Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, we have to revise our model. You can't use the Newtonian model, the classical model of physics, where there's action-reaction, where things bump together. The quantum is not that way. There's no separation in the quantum. This is not something you get overnight. This is something that you constantly have to think about, constantly have to study. If it is all connected in the quantum, the thought is the experience. Consciousness and energy are one. There's no separation in the quantum. The thought of the person connects you to them immediately. And there's no separation.

• 1:18:50Lewis Howes?

  No matter where they are in the world. They could be on the moon, they could be out in outer space.

• 1:18:53Joe Dispenza?

  They did the aspect experiment, took two photons or electrons. They, you know, they had them bond and relate and then they shot them to opposite ends of the universe. And they annihilated one at the exact same time that they annihilated this one. This one disappeared, exact same time. Now, think about that. If it was a one gazillionth of a millisecond less, it still would mean something would have to travel through time. And that fastest it could travel is the speed of light, right? So anything traveling faster than the speed of light, that's material, turns to energy equals mc squared, right? The rules change in the quantum, not the same rules here, right? So if they're disappearing at the same time, it means they're not separate.

• 1:19:36Joe Dispenza?

  There's no separation in this field. There's holism here. Everything's related, everything's connected. And it takes a constant revision of the model. And once the model starts making sense by you understanding it through experience, the more adept that you become. The people that heal, that are part of these groups, they have very little doubt at this point. They don't have a doubt. They've seen too many people that they've worked on and healed change. And I was just watching someone talk about the moment they did the coherence healing on this kid who was in a coma, came out of the coma, like right during the healing. So that happens more than once, yes. So. And you're seeing children with autism, look, I mean.

• 1:20:18Joe Dispenza?

  Have a complete reversal in their condition and we're interested in demystifying the process. But it doesn't take away from the fact that the process still works. Crazy. Right? And so for the person who has doubt, I would never want to force this down their throat. I would just want to have a conversation just to speculate. Is it possible? Mm hmm. Now, if it happens once, all right, you know, it happens twice, coincidence. You start seeing it happen hundreds of times. You know, there's a law that's starting to happen. So with our FMRI studies, when it was so revealing to the scientific community

• 1:20:55Joe Dispenza?

  to see that default mode network shut off in the brain, the brain's predictor, the brain's, you know, anticipation driving, you know, a consumer of energy shut off in the brain to such a degree that when the person finished the seven day event and they opened their eyes, they still were in that state. And that that state is relaxed in the heart and awake in the brain. Mm hmm. Relaxed and awake instead of stressed out and unconscious and living in a program. And you can get so good at doing it with your eyes closed, you can do it with your eyes open. And that's when you're less reactive, more tolerant, more patient, more kind, more giving. Because nothing in your outer environment is worth you losing this feeling, you know? And you start to figure that out. So

• 1:21:41Joe Dispenza?

  we saw areas of the brain in seven days actually grow in real estate, like the volume of the brain actually got larger. And so not only making new connections, but making new neurons, right? The matter of the brain grew. Yes, yes. Oh, my gosh. So in seven days with advanced meditators. So then we were like, okay. If the, if there's new, new circuitry in there and there's new neurons in their brain, is there factors in the blood, these, these endogenous chemicals that are like fertilizer, you know, neurotropic factors that grow nerve cells? Turns out that they were manufacturing the very pharmacy of chemicals that causes neurons to grow and sprout in the brain, right?

• 1:22:24Joe Dispenza?

  So it's in the blood, there's information in the blood that wasn't there at the beginning of the seven days, it's now there at the end of seven days. That's pro-life, that's pro-growth, that's flourishing in the brain.

• 1:22:36Joe Dispenza?

  Many times, the brain becomes very siloed, modulated, compartmentalized. As we shift our attention from one person to another person, to another problem, to another thing, to another place. Each one of those neural networks are assigned to that person, or that object, or thing. And as we age, they tend to stop communicating with networks next to each other. They kind of fire on their own. And when we're under stress and we're shifting our attention that quickly, those networks begin to fire really asynchronously out of order. That's called brain incoherence. When the brain's incoherent, we're incoherent, right? And so, that's when the person's over focusing. So, in our research, after the FMRI studies, we've known this because of our other studies.

• 1:23:19Joe Dispenza?

  But what we saw was a massive suppression of these compartmentalizations that were taking place in the brain. And the brain was synchronized. It was working in a more holistic state. In other words, the whole entire brain was working in unison instead of divided. All those networks that were no longer talking to each other were now more whole and more talking to each other. And there was a greater level of order taking place in the brain. And what sinks in the brain, links in the brain. Now, when a person reaches the state where the default mode network is dialed way down, salience is dialed way down, and they're in the state where there's a greater level of resonance and consciousness in the brain, we discovered that that is the exact state that happens right before the person

• 1:24:04Joe Dispenza?

  has a transcendental or mystical experience. The brain has to be coherent to receive information that's beyond our senses, right? So, as compartmentalization goes down and modulation goes down, and there's more brain wholeness that takes place, the person is going to then begin to interact with information that's not part of their normal circuitry in three-dimensional reality. And that's when they have that mystical experience. And that's why the brain looks like, a lot of times, it's on psilocybin, because they're having a transcendental moment that has nothing to do with three-dimensional reality. So if the brain now... Is no longer using all of its energy to be in the default system, where does that energy go? We look down at the cell.

• 1:24:49Joe Dispenza?

  And the cells are processing energy at a way more efficient level. The cell itself is going from using a wood, a piece of wood in a fireplace to rocket fuel. And the cells now have more energy for what?

• 1:25:03Lewis Howes?

  Creation.

• 1:25:03Joe Dispenza?

  Growth and repair.

• 1:25:04Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:05Joe Dispenza?

  Growth and repair. Healing, exactly. And what you see when that that information makes it to the cell, at the same time, there's a massive deconstruction taking place in the cell. And at the same exact time, a massive reconstruction taking place in the cell. So the cell is transmuting and changing because the cell is no longer getting the same information. And so, why is this important? It's super important because if people really want to understand that they can change, they really want to understand that they have a pharmacy of chemicals that they can begin to manufacture by thought alone.

• 1:25:40Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:25:41Joe Dispenza?

  The reason that we're doing these research studies is to prove to people that that it is possible. So, give you an example, like there's a there's a thing called an Alometric, and it kind of determines like how popular an article is, right? How many news stations cover it, how many times it's posted, or whatever. So, a good Alometric is like 20, a really good Alometric. Ours was 167 for

• 1:26:06Lewis Howes?

  Really? This research?

• 1:26:08Joe Dispenza?

  This research article. A good, a good article gets about 600 to 900, you know, observations or downloads or accesses. We were up at over 130, 130,000.

• 1:26:21Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:26:22Joe Dispenza?

  Because it's such revolutionary, revolutionary information.

• 1:26:27Lewis Howes?

  People still doubting it in the scientific community when they've seen this paper and the research that shows case after case and study after study within this?

• 1:26:38Joe Dispenza?

  I don't think people really understand what it takes to run these studies. I mean,

• 1:26:41Lewis Howes?

  It's a lot.

• 1:26:42Joe Dispenza?

  Most, most studies take about seven years to publish. We're publishing studies in two years, which is insane.

• 1:26:48Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:26:49Joe Dispenza?

  Because we have a community of people that are like, draw my blood, uh, take my genes, scrape my genes, uh, I'll, sure, tell me what to do. You'll put a heart monitor on me. Sure. Here's my microbiome. We are, I'll spit here, whatever you need, you know?

• 1:27:01Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:02Joe Dispenza?

  That, so we have a huge database, the largest database in the world, right now on meditation. So, uh, um, once again, like, um, I'm doing all of this, uh, to demystify how that person stands on the stage and says, I don't have cancer anymore. I don't have it. There's no, there's not any cancer in my body. And they've never meditated before. What happened? So that we're, we're using science as a means to show people what's possible.

• 1:27:34Lewis Howes?

  Yeah. I want people to, to, who are asking about these studies, I want them to go, I think you have them published on your site or they can have access.

• 1:27:41Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah. All the, all the articles that we've published are there.

• 1:27:44Lewis Howes?

  So Dr. Joe Dispenza.com, uh, if you guys want that information or we'll try to find those on there and link them up in this episode and the show notes as well. So you can see all these studies, which I think people should go see them. They should be skeptical and go see them. And when they see the results, it hopefully unlocks new belief. It's showing you, oh, this is the new four minute mile, right?

• 1:28:05Joe Dispenza?

  Right. And, and the balance really is, we have great, great human testimony.

• 1:28:10Lewis Howes?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:28:11Joe Dispenza?

  Really great story. I mean, we just had two great stories of transformation in San Diego. We had one at our last event that was just unbelievable. Pancreatic cancer, complete remission.

• 1:28:20Lewis Howes?

  Wow.

• 1:28:20Joe Dispenza?

  Gone, like in, in a one month period of time. It was really insane. Um, that's evidence.

• 1:28:26Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:28:27Joe Dispenza?

  And there's nothing like a good story, right?

• 1:28:29Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:29Joe Dispenza?

  And so the person who's telling that story. It's telling the truth. Mm hmm. And I look out at the audience when that person's on the stage and everybody's leaning in. Oh, yeah. They're like, who is this and how did it happen, right? So you got evidence in human testimony and you have evidence really in our scientific research. And evidence is the loudest voice, right? And now we're discovering like crazy stuff we never expected to discover. Like in our last observation, we started looking at diabetics, right? People who are insulin dependent and the function of insulin is to take sugar out of the bloodstream and get it into the cell for energy, right? And people who have diabetes, either they're not making the insulin or their insulin isn't working well enough to be able to deposit it into the cells.

• 1:29:13Joe Dispenza?

  So we started looking at diabetics in our, in our, in our seven day events. And what we discovered is that they were taking sugar out of, the body was taking sugar out of the blood and putting it into the cells, but their insulin levels weren't changing. So what does that mean? That means the body is manufacturing something new. Interesting. A new pharmacy of chemicals that's acting just like insulin, even though they're not producing insulin, that's doing exactly what insulin should do and taking the, the glucose and putting it in the cell without actually changing insulin. So we, we're discovering all kinds of factors, you know, that, that are antiviral, anti-cancer, anti-pain, you know, pro-neurogenic. Our breast milk studies are insane.

• 1:29:58Joe Dispenza?

  Wow. Um, we, we can tell you without a doubt that women who meditate, the information that they're giving that child is telling the child, no cancer, then, and you'll heal fast. Wow. You, you're, you'll heal, you'll heal fast. That's what, that's what the information in the, in the, in the breast milk of a mother uh, who's connected or who's actually doing the work is giving to the child. The first information the child is getting is you won't get cancer. Uh, and there's anti-carcinogenic chemicals and uh, uh, very, very pro um, healing uh, chemicals, pro-life, pro-growth chemicals. Uh, and the breast milk when they started. That looks nothing like the breast milk when they end. When they're ending, it's a completely different set of factors in the breast milk.

• 1:30:43Lewis Howes?

  Oh, man.

• 1:30:44Joe Dispenza?

  It's all information, right? It's all information.

• 1:30:46Lewis Howes?

  Every time you come on here, I'm always amazed and inspired.

• 1:30:50Joe Dispenza?

  I'm inspired too, and I am amazed because I can't, I keep telling the scientists, I can't believe it's the truth. I can't believe it.

• 1:30:56Lewis Howes?

  Have you ever had any of these scientists who are in drug study work? Stop working in drug study and just focus all on meditation? Or they have to make money still?

• 1:31:06Joe Dispenza?

  No, I think, you know, a couple of great things are happening.

• 1:31:11Joe Dispenza?

  We are, we are having such great conversations with scientists. Um, because you know, uh, this is not for everybody, you know? And I had to make a choice somewhere in my own personal career. Where the person who's not gonna like me is not gonna like me anyway. So why would I wanna try to?

• 1:31:27Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:28Joe Dispenza?

  Do that? But the people who are interested and people who really wanna understand and really wanna learn, there's a growing interest. And so when we show our data to scientists, I love looking at their faces. Cause they're like, was this a one-year study?

• 1:31:43Lewis Howes?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:43Joe Dispenza?

  As this, uh, seeing these epigenetic changes? Their bodies look like they're living in a whole new life, a whole new environment. They've been in a ballroom for seven days. Are you kidding me? Seven days? Or what? What? All these thousands of factors that are upregulated in their blood that weren't there before? What, what did you, what, you know, they're, you, they're, it's unbelievable, but you, you can't deny the science, right? It's so obvious. Now, of course, we could always do, we were always working on making our studies more and more bulletproof. You know, we have to do controls more because.

• 1:32:17Lewis Howes?

  Yes.

• 1:32:18Joe Dispenza?

  Yeah, everybody, you know, will say, oh, it's a vacation experience. Our data actually shows that vacations, we studied people who come to our events that are on vacation. That their gene expression gets worse, right? And, and for some people in our event, especially novice meditators. At the end of seven days, they get a year of their life back. There's a, they changed their genetic destiny. It's really insane because we have, once again, all the technology to not just look at a few markers. We're talking about the most sophisticated, um, machines to determine, you know, longevity and biological age.

• 1:32:50Lewis Howes?

  Hmm.

• 1:32:51Joe Dispenza?

  So, again.

• 1:32:53Joe Dispenza?

  When you sit down to do the work then, all of this evidence increases the what and the why for you. Mm hmm. And if you're doing it, when you understand the what and the why, you assign meaning to the act. And when you do that, you switch on your prefrontal cortex, and that's the boss in the brain. Yes. And it wants an outcome. And that's called intention, right? So when people get that kind of wired in there, and they're doing it for abundance, they're doing it for love, they're doing it for the greatest ideal of themselves, or doing it for wholeness and healing. All those people that healed in our work, you can ask them, they'll tell you, "I wasn't doing my meditation to heal. I was doing my meditation to change. And when I change, I heal." Yes. And there's a, the language of transformation

• 1:33:38Joe Dispenza?

  we studied is so interesting because when a person truly heals, there's a sense of temporality. Like, I'm not that unhappy guy any longer. I'm not that guy, I'm someone else. The disease belongs to him. Like, I'm a completely different person. Like, they've, they've crossed the river of change, you know? And, and a lot of times when they hit that moment where they connect to something great, because it goes curiosity, challenge, connection. Connecting to their heart, connecting to the, to the field, connecting to the work, connecting to a greater understanding, connecting to themselves. There's a moment where it's all integrated, and it's all connected. And the connection is both, uh, it's always described as feeling it or felt it.

• 1:34:22Joe Dispenza?

  And if you feel something, you had an experience, right? And the experience tends, that feeling tends to be divided into two categories. One, very somatic. Like, every single cell, every fiber, every atom in my body was oscillating like I got plugged into a light socket. Or the top of my head blew off. My heart turned on like an engine. Lightning bolts were shooting out my hands. These are, it's very somatic, right? And then the other side of that feel is very emotional. Like, I never felt love. I've never felt love in my life, ever in my life, like this love. And I realized it was within me the whole time. That it's always been there, I've just been unaware of it, right? So that event.

• 1:35:07Joe Dispenza?

  When it's both somatic and emotional, changes biology. And there's sometimes, there's an instantaneous upgrade. Biological upgrade that goes on in the, in the, in the body because the brain is processing a very high gamma, gamma frequency. And that, that gamma frequency is touching every single cell of the body. It's happening in the autonomic nervous system. And the information that's being sent to the cells is new information. The body's being lifted by energy, right? And a lot of times, there's the eczema, now it's gone. You know, there's the Parkinson's, now it's gone. You know, there's the PTSD, now it's gone. The body's moved right out of the past into the present moment.

• 1:35:49Lewis Howes?

  If people are listening and they're still skeptic, grab a copy of Dr. Joe's book. Listen to one of his meditations to get started. Uh, get started there and start practicing the 10, 15 minute morning or evening routines that you have, which are extremely powerful. You can just get started with a few minutes a day. If you feel like this makes a lot of sense, I want more. Go to a seven day retreat. They sell out pretty quickly. They're usually sold out months in advance. So I recommend going to drjodospenza.com, getting on the newsletter so you can be updated the next time there is a seven day or five day retreat. And get on the waitlist, get ready and start training and preparing yourself to believe

• 1:36:33Lewis Howes?

  that the new you is available and the old you doesn't have to be the current you anymore. By listening to this episode again, by going through your book, by going through the, the online courses that he has as well, to set yourself up for new possibilities. That's what I would encourage people to do. And, and there's been a lot of people who've listened to these interviews in the past on here, who've gone to your events and say they're life changing. So I want to make sure that everyone at least listens to a meditation of yours, checks out a book or gets on your newsletter at drjodospenza.com and follows your content on social media as well, Dr. Joe Dispenza. So this is my final question. And I want to acknowledge you again for constantly showing up and being of service. Because I feel like every time that we connect, there's so much good healing that happens

• 1:37:18Lewis Howes?

  in the world and.

• 1:37:21Lewis Howes?

  I want to continue to be of service to people. I want to continue to be of service to you and your message. And I want to continue to help my community or new communities coming in of this message. And I think the first time I had you on here was eight years ago, maybe nine years ago. Maybe it's almost a decade, like 2017, 2018, somewhere around there. And the reason why I love continuing to have you back on every year is because I continue to remember the future of my possibilities and remember what's possible. And it's a constant reminder of letting go of the old self and stepping into the new self. And so I want to acknowledge you again for constantly showing up. But there's a lot of sayings that you've shared on this show and at your events over the years.

• 1:38:06Lewis Howes?

  Your personality is your personal reality. Remember the future is something that people have tattooed on their arm after listening to you on here to remind themselves to think about the future and not the past. If you could only share three of these sayings that you use a lot. And that's all you could share. Three sayings, and you have lots of them. What would they be for people right now in the current state of the world? What are those three sayings?

• 1:38:33Joe Dispenza?

  I would probably start off by saying that we are creators. We are, and we, with that, that we are divine. I think that's the first one. And I think that takes, once again, a revision of how we've been conditioned or programmed to believe something differently. And I also think that the power that made the body heals the body. And that power is available to any human being. And I think the most important thing is experience is the greatest professor. And go out and try it out for yourself. Prove to yourself that you're the creator of your life. Just try it out as a, as an experiment.

• 1:39:16Joe Dispenza?

  See if, if, if I change, will my life change?

• 1:39:20Lewis Howes?

  Dr. Jethas, I appreciate you. I hope you enjoyed today's episode and it inspired you on your journey towards greatness. Make sure to check out the show notes in the description for a full rundown of today's episode with all the important links. And if you want weekly exclusive bonus episodes with me personally, as well as ad-free listening, then make sure to subscribe to our Greatness Plus channel exclusively on Apple Podcasts. Share this with a friend on social media and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts as well. Let me know what you enjoyed about this episode in that review. I really love hearing feedback from you and it helps us figure out how we can support and serve you moving forward. And I want to remind you, if no one has told you lately, that you are loved, you are worthy,

• 1:40:05Lewis Howes?

  and you matter. And now it's time to go out there and do something great.