Khloé Kardashian: I’m Done with NBA Players

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Khloé Kardashian. Khloé opens up about the Tristan cheating scandal, why she thinks people were so quick to judge her, finally finding closure with Lamar, and learning to trust herself again. She also discusses her relationship with her sisters, reveals what it’s like to live next door to Kris Jenner, and sets the record straight on some of the most unhinged rumors. Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 3:14Alex Cooper?

  What is up Daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 3:23Alex Cooper?

  Khloe Kardashian, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Thank you. I'm so excited to be here.

• 3:27Alex Cooper?

  I'm so happy to finally meet you. You are the first Kardashian to come on Call Her Daddy. So this is a big moment.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  My, this is a big moment. I am a trendsetter in the family.

• 3:35Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you are. Number one. How are you doing today?

• 3:39Speaker 01

  I'm good. I'm really good. I'm really excited to be here. I called Kim on my way here.

• 3:44Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God, was she like, don't say anything stupid. Don't give the family tea.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  No, I think she knows I probably will. So she's like, just think about all your answers. And I do not think before I speak, and that's my problem.

• 3:56Alex Cooper?

  I love it. Your mom knows you're here.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:58Alex Cooper?

  What does Chris think right now?

• 4:00Speaker 01

  I think she wants to be here. She was dying. I think I was like, oh, I'm doing this at two. And she's like, if you need to call me just at any time. And I'm like, okay. So I think she really wants to be here.

• 4:11Alex Cooper?

  You're like, Mom?

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Give me some time. This is my thing.

• 4:15Alex Cooper?

  You can come on next, Chris.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Oh, she will.

• 4:19Alex Cooper?

  She's like, what? I'm gonna get an email. You joke about how you like rarely leave your neighborhood these days and it takes

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Not a joke.

• 4:27Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, no.

• 4:30Alex Cooper?

  What is it actually like take for you to get out of the house?

• 4:34Speaker 01

  So I would say that for a few years, and I think it started with COVID. I think sort of everyone became social recluses for a minute. But that was my good initiation into being a recluse. And then it took me a good four years to get out of it. I feel like this last, since I've been 40, I've been 40 for like six months or something. But I feel now I'm a little more social, but I'm choosy about where I go.

• 5:05Alex Cooper?

  I think that's good though, right?

• 5:07Speaker 01

  No, I think it's good, but it was unhealthy how reclusive I was. And it was like only kid things and I wasn't going to do anything adult. And like, nobody talked to me because I hate humans. And now I'm like, okay, I could socialize a little bit. I have my social batteries getting turned up a smidge.

• 5:24Alex Cooper?

  Can you think of a recent time that someone forced you out of the house and you immediately regretted it?

• 5:31Speaker 01

  Sometimes it's the second I get in the car that I'm like, what did I like? Oh, my outfit, like it's just how I feel. It's too much work. And then you just have to like schmooze people and you're like, I don't really, these aren't enjoyable conversations. They're like, it's just small talk and like, nobody cares what I'm doing right now with my life, like shut up. So it's those moments. Oh, I sound like such a grinch, but.

• 5:58Alex Cooper?

  So, no, let me just validate you. It's so real. Like I was saying that to my friend the other day. I was like, I'm really losing my patience for just this like fake chatter. Like I either want to be with my fucking family where I can just say it as it is and no one's going to get offended and we're all just talking real. Or I'm at work because I love doing this. Is she calling? No.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  I was like, it's her texting. Hold on, the queen. I'm not in glam. Phone call. Okay, boss.

• 6:27Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God, I'm obsessed.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, she has to be in glam.

• 6:30Alex Cooper?

  I know, I get it. We'll just be a phone call.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  I respect her.

• 6:32Alex Cooper?

  Um, what is your favorite thing to do when you are like just chilling by yourself?

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Oh, by myself?

• 6:39Alex Cooper?

  Mm hmm.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  Never leaving the bed, by myself in my bed, watching TV.

• 6:45Alex Cooper?

  What are you watching?

• 6:46Speaker 01

  I mean, I love a documentary. I just watched shit. Is it apple cider vinegar?

• 6:53Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  No, did I make that up?

• 6:54Alex Cooper?

  No, but that sounds.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  It's the story about the, this health influencer from Australia that faked having cancer.

• 7:03Alex Cooper?

  Oh, OK, fascinating.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  And it's, it's like a two episode. She ends up not having it. She's still on the run and like whatever. But it's fascinating. So I like things like that, like sort of gossipy, but it's a docu. I need that.

• 7:16Alex Cooper?

  I love that. OK, this is really random, but what is something in your house that may surprise people?

• 7:23Speaker 01

  You know, maybe by my bedside drawer is the more like it's such like a mishmash of things like I have.

• 7:31Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna say like your, your bedside drawer has like, I thought you'd be like the vibrators in that. I was like, I don't know where you're going.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  We have vibrators. I mean, sure, but I wasn't gonna disclose all that, but you know, yes, in the bedside drawer. But I have like, cause I don't, so I don't smoke weed recreationally, but I have weed pens to smoke to go to sleep. Cause I hate the feeling so much that it just knocks, like if I, I could never smoke and talk to you.

• 7:58Alex Cooper?

  Wait, that is an episode we have to do at one point.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Oh, no, I'm nuts.

• 8:02Alex Cooper?

  What would happen? You're just like.

• 8:03Speaker 01

  I just didn't like, I either will hysterically laugh the whole time. My mom and I did gummies together on the show and so, I don't know. They didn't kick in because we're not used to gummies and we went to a restaurant and we were so high at the restaurant and we're crying. And we ate like five bags of chips and we're just like, we're ridiculous. But so I have people that are always like, oh, I didn't know you smoke. I'm like, I sort of don't. I just smoked to go to sleep. Cause I have a hard time sleeping.

• 8:31Alex Cooper?

  I do the same thing. I take like a tiny edible because I don't want to be high out of my mind.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:37Alex Cooper?

  But just enough to like put me in that zone where I'm ready to sit back, relax, enjoy the show.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Turn the brain off a little bit. And I also have something Courtney gave me for Christmas. It's called a biocharger.

• 8:48Alex Cooper?

  What is that?

• 8:49Speaker 01

  Exactly. It looks like a device from Back to the Future. I'm not kidding. And I don't know if this generation knows what Back to the Future is, but it's this big ass device, like the size of this chair. And someone has to come and give you a tutorial. Also, it's like. You have to ask people if they want this gift. You don't just spring it on them because where am I putting such a thing? But it is really cool. Actually, it does electro currency and you have different, it's so Courtney. Like the more I talk, it's like totally a Courtney gift.

• 9:19Alex Cooper?

  I just was like looking through some of your quotes and I remember you saying to Courtney, like, what's your, why don't you have wifi in this big giant fucking house? And she's like, it's not about the wifi, it's about the radiation.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, nobody cares. No, we all want wifi. Nobody cares about the radiation when it comes to their phone.

• 9:35Alex Cooper?

  No. Um, okay. You and your mom, Kris Jenner, obviously live next door to each other. What is the most intrusive thing that she has done since becoming your neighbor? Or are you the intrusive one?

• 9:48Speaker 01

  No, I feel like she's the intrusive one, but you ask her and she might have a different story. Um, so she spies, like if ever there's cars in the driveway, because we have two different driveways, but you can see both of them. Um, and she will always ask like, oh, I see there's a white car outside. Whose car is that? And I'm like, I don't fucking know. And like, stop asking me. I'm 40 years old and I have two kids. Like it's, she's very curious as to who's over there all the time. But what I found out recently that she does is when I'm not home, I guess she finds out that I'm not home and she goes in my closet and she looks at things to borrow or take. And I found that out actually today.

• 10:31Alex Cooper?

  Wait, how did you find it out?

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Because I asked her, I was like, God, what, like, I just need to know what, because I keep getting alerts, like Kris Jenner is on your property. And I'm like, but what are you doing? Like it's always when I'm gone, do you not know that I'm not, like that I'm home or not home? And she's like, oh, I just wanted to look in your closet for something. I was like, well, what are you looking for? And she's like, just to see if there's anything I could borrow. And I'm like, what you could, like, to me, I'm like, you could ask and you're doing it intentionally when I'm gone.

• 11:01Alex Cooper?

  Maybe she loves the thrill. Kris loves the thrill of snooping around.

• 11:06Speaker 01

  She, oh, she does. But then I'm like, well, what else are you looking through all my drawers?

• 11:12Alex Cooper?

  I feel like I just bought my parents a house and they're going to live like. 10, 15 minutes away from me.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  No, it's the best.

• 11:20Alex Cooper?

  It is?

• 11:20Speaker 01

  It is.

• 11:21Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but Chloe, you are like sharing a land with your mom. Like you, you love it.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  So I do love it. We're, and especially like when you're gonna have kids and all of that, that's gonna be, it's what people, well, I think people dream of stuff like this. Maybe not being directly next door where we don't even have like a property line. We're a little too close, but 10, 15 minutes, that's such a blessing. And send your kids over there, but it's also, you don't have like have your parents, like you gotta have dinners with them and there's no excuse. I think it's the best.

• 11:56Alex Cooper?

  Do your sisters think you're insane?

• 11:57Speaker 01

  We all live in the same gated community.

• 12:00Alex Cooper?

  But they're not directly, like you can see through a window.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 12:03Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So they think I'm insane, but then Kylie is the one that wishes. She's like me, she's like, I wish I was next to mom. And I'm like, well, we could always trade houses. So, yeah.

• 12:15Alex Cooper?

  Um, I feel like a big conversation, literally since all the way at the inception of Keeping Up With The Kardashians to now is, who is Chris's favorite child? Right now, in this current moment, who do you think it is?

• 12:44Alex Cooper?

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• 16:19Alex Cooper?

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• 16:29Speaker 01

  Right now, because it does change, but it changes on probably who's doing the most. I don't know, but if like she was here, she's going to say me because I'm here. But it always goes between Kim and Kylie, those two.

• 16:46Alex Cooper?

  But I feel like you're so rock solid with her.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I am. But see, I know where I stand. Like, I don't care.

• 16:52Alex Cooper?

  You don't need the flowers.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  No, it doesn't bother me because I'm also like, girl, you're the one that calls me for everything. So we're good.

• 16:58Alex Cooper?

  You know, deep in your soul where you stand.

• 17:00Speaker 01

  I do. I'm not insecure about it.

• 17:02Alex Cooper?

  People on the internet always say the devil works hard, but Kris Jenner works harder. Has she ever known something about your personal life before you've known it's coming out?

• 17:15Speaker 01

  She has.

• 17:16Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  She has, um, more times than less, her and Kim. So I think that saying is like, cool. I'm like, Mom, that's so badass. And I think sometimes it bothers her. And I'm like, why does that bother you? But Kim has known about the cheating. I think both of the cheating stuff, I think Kim found out first. I know definitely this, I think both. Which is crazy before I knew. And then my mom with my ex-husband, she knew things before I did and had to tell me. Or even now, like just the other day, she had to tell me something crazy. And I was like, are we okay that this is still happening? But

• 17:56Alex Cooper?

  Do you like that they know before you?

• 17:58Speaker 01

  I would rather a family member than a stranger.

• 18:01Alex Cooper?

  Yes, I agree.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't like that any of this stuff happens, but I don't, I would rather it them. I'm not someone that gets mad at the messenger.

• 18:11Alex Cooper?

  That's a great point. And I also was thinking about it too, when I was thinking about that, like, it's great to have like publicists and agents and all that. But at the end of the day, I think you guys have been so fortunate to succeed in this industry because of how many of you there are and how much you guys have each other's back. And it's like, I really admire the way that it's so clear that you guys ride for each other no matter what. And there's just a lot of people that don't have that because it's not blood. Like you have these people out there and if they find something out, they're always going to have your back in these moments because that's literally your family. So.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Well, and we always say like, we get how you see someone that's in the limelight and then they're sort of, they spiral out of control. And I also get that because they don't have anyone else that's going through it with them. Like even if they have a family with them, if they're not in the forefront, sometimes it's really hard to understand what that person's going through. And we feel really fortunate that even at the worst of it, we're like, but at least we get it together and we can really support one another. And we can, we will, no one can ever go too far because we're like snap out of it. We know what you're going through. You can have a bad month, a bad week, whatever, but we're there to support each other and get each other out of it.

• 19:27Speaker 01

  And they're not relatable conversations that you can have with like your girlfriends. And I get that. And so for you to vent these things to your friend group, they're going to be like, what are you taught? Like, I don't care. And those aren't real problems, but they're real in my reality. So it's nice where you have this circle of trust that you feel safe with and you can vent about the most superficial ridiculous things, but they matter to you at that moment. And so it is a blessing.

• 19:54Alex Cooper?

  Well, you have mentioned that your family has multiple group chats. One of them even has ex-boyfriends in it. Okay, tell me who's in these group chats.

• 20:04Speaker 01

  The one with all the baby daddies is the entire family group chat. And that is like my grandma, my cousin Cece. It's like everyone. There's the OG group chat, which is just the siblings and my mom. There's sisters and mom, because maybe my brother, if we're talking about men or whatever, my brothers want to hear it. There's just sisters. Courtney's removed herself out of some group chats. So I know she thinks, or at one point, Kim outed everyone and said there was a not Courtney group chat. That has been gone, but now there is a not Courtney group chat, but unintentionally because she left a group chat. But when people leave, I love to add them back. Like, who the fuck do you think you are? You are not leaving.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  And then they get pissed. I just keep adding them.

• 20:52Alex Cooper?

  Well, we, she's like, leave me alone.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  Well, who runs away from a conversation? Either have it or mute us like Kendall and Kylie does.

• 21:01Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's so fucking true. Kylie's like, I haven't seen any of your texts in four years, but I'm gonna keep.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  No, at least pretend that you're in there.

• 21:09Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, one of the most iconic moments was when you yelled liar at the Kardashians premiere after your ex came on.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  I thought you meant at the table.

• 21:18Alex Cooper?

  Both. Yeah, that was the most iconic. And then when you were back at the premiere and it was playing and you screamed liar in the crowd, like so fucking good. You have to make light of like these like.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  You do.

• 21:29Alex Cooper?

  Right, dark situations. So I'm going to tell you a crazy rumor that I read. And if it's fake, say liar.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 21:36Alex Cooper?

  You facetuned your cat.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Liar. Do I have to say liar? I could do it like that.

• 21:44Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you didn't facetune your cat.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  No, I didn't.

• 21:46Alex Cooper?

  Okay, love that.

• 21:48Speaker 01

  And just so you know, because I was like, wow, that's crazy that people would think that. I tried to see if it would work in FaceApp and it doesn't. So if somebody just wanted to check, you can't do it. I tried because I was like, I just need to know if you fucking can, because that's insane if it lets you FaceApp an animal. And you can't.

• 22:08Alex Cooper?

  Hollywood four does not work on the cat, bitches.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  It doesn't. I love it.

• 22:12Alex Cooper?

  Me too.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Some cats need it.

• 22:14Alex Cooper?

  You and your sisters are all paid the same amount on the Kardashians.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  True.

• 22:20Alex Cooper?

  Oh, are you guys allowed to like, cut any footage that you don't like?

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Yes, but it's, it's more vanity things like that we would cut like, and mainly like sometimes like my mom or something like that, but I've never, I mean, trust me, I would have cut way other shit. I've never cut anything crazy.

• 22:44Alex Cooper?

  Who's the pickiest?

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Courtney, but it's not, it's more because she'll say, I say like too many times. So remove this word. It's more that regard. It's not really because of story, not storylines because they're following us, but it's not about a story concept. It's more verbiage.

• 23:03Alex Cooper?

  Yes, I get it. Yeah. You want to present well. I get it.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  And she still says like 500 times.

• 23:09Alex Cooper?

  We love you, Courtney. Okay. Lie or not, Rob lives in your house.

• 23:14Speaker 01

  Liar. Everyone thinks that. I don't know why. He has his own home. He's an adult.

• 23:22Alex Cooper?

  How do you think Rob has managed to say so private?

• 23:26Speaker 01

  He's a good old recluse like me. I respect it, but we live in the same community. He comes over all the time. I'm with Dream all the time.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  But yeah, I don't know why everyone thinks he lives with me. And I love that you asked that because I think as a man too, not that it's a bad thing if he did live with me because he did live with me at one point and I loved it, but I begged him to. And I actually wish he did live with me now, but um, I just think also he wants people to know like I got my own shit going on.

• 23:57Alex Cooper?

  Okay, lie or not, you have a secret sex tape with your ex-husband.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 24:05Alex Cooper?

  In 2016, you told Andy Cohen you had it locked in a safe.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  Oh, maybe I do. Wow. That's crazy. I don't even remember that, but maybe if I said that, then maybe, wow.

• 24:17Alex Cooper?

  I'm obsessed.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  A lot happens every year. I'm like, wow, I went on Andy Cohen and said that, then probably if I said that.

• 24:26Alex Cooper?

  Wait, you don't know?

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Not like a sex tape. It's not like I was like entertaining, like it was never, if this is, I think it's all coming back to me. Like, I'm sure it was something we just did for ourselves, not like to sell to somebody. Oh, my God, maybe.

• 24:44Alex Cooper?

  I know, kind of fun.

• 24:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, good for me.

• 24:46Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God. Okay, lie or not, you're like, I have a sexy.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  I was like, I do not. And then I'm two seconds, I change my answer.

• 24:53Alex Cooper?

  No, I love it. Okay. Lie or not, Kris Jenner plants stories in the press to distract from bad news of the family.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  No, lie. But I love that people think that.

• 25:04Alex Cooper?

  I love that for her, even if she did that. Like, I would do that too, if I had that power. I'm like, plant, plant, plant, boom.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  People would love what's actually in the media over this planted thing.

• 25:16Alex Cooper?

  True. When someone is in the middle of family drama, can you like, take us to what happens? Are you guys all on the phone? Are you texting? Are you meeting at someone's house? Like, where are you? How is it going down?

• 25:27Speaker 01

  It could be all of the above. It depends the level of drama. And it's like, you know, is this a code for? And probably like a code for is like, we need an in-person meeting, family meeting, stat. Get the, get Christie on the phone, our publicist, like, we need everyone, all hands on deck. Or if it's a mild thing, then it could be a text war back and forth. But normally, no, not normally, it just depends what it is. But we've had a few in-person meetings.

• 25:58Alex Cooper?

  Do you feel like it's calming down a little bit? Like, people are a little less crazy towards you guys? Or do you think it's still as insane?

• 26:08Speaker 01

  I think it just depends on the month. But I will say, for me, but it's also because I've been a recluse recently. But for me, I feel like things have calmed down. But I'm also not dating and all those things. So I don't have a lot of drama.

• 26:25Alex Cooper?

  I love that for you.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love that for me, too. I deserve this for right now.

• 26:31Alex Cooper?

  True.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  I do.

• 26:33Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, lie or not, your therapist exposed your personal details to the tabloids.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  True.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  I know, rude.

• 26:42Alex Cooper?

  Chloe?

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Don't be fucking rude.

• 26:45Alex Cooper?

  No, beyond rude.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  No, beyond.

• 26:47Alex Cooper?

  Like.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Not nice.

• 26:48Alex Cooper?

  That's like.

• 26:51Alex Cooper?

  My heart breaks for you in that moment because that is like, therapy is such a beautiful thing. I am in therapy and I can't imagine then like the lack of trust that comes from someone that is being paid and is has all the like laws around it that they're not allowed to spread that shit. Like, were you ever able to confront the person and get closure?

• 27:14Speaker 01

  No, and this happened, it was couples therapy with my ex-husband and I knew, I know for a fact it was this person, but when it happened, it was, and this was like the height of tabloids and I, when it was on the cover, I was like, I just knew instantly, but I was going through so much personally and emotionally. I just said, I'm done with this and I'm gonna, and people always ask, why didn't I press charges? That's also just not my thing. Like, I know who you are and what you did and I don't know what that's gonna do for me, but um, what was done was done. That happened and I also saw a doctor, when I was with Lamar and I was trying to get pregnant, I was doing IVF and that doctor,

• 27:58Speaker 01

  or a nurse, I can't say which one because I don't know, they released my IVF records to the press and that's a violation of HIPAA law as well. But I just, those two things really, the therapy thing really messed with me and I took a break from therapy for a long time. I now have a new therapist, um, but it took, I mean, at least like 10 years it took me to trust someone again.

• 28:23Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna say, because I feel like especially when you go through things that you have publicly shared on the show and that has come out in media with like romantic relationships or even just like with your family in your life, like the natural thing that people would say is like, you should get into therapy and you should talk about how this has affected your ability to trust or to love or whatever. And then for you to have to be like, I tried that and they violated, right? It's so backwards and I'm so sorry that you've had to deal with that because it's, no one should ever have to deal with that. And then it's like, how do you even begin to look for help when you feel like the help that is there is going to exploit you?

• 29:01Speaker 01

  You don't feel safe and the whole point is feeling safe.

• 29:04Alex Cooper?

  Is it true that now your new therapist is the same as Kim's?

• 29:07Speaker 01

  True.

• 29:08Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God. How is that going that you are sharing therapists with your sister?

• 29:13Speaker 01

  I, I think it's great. I don't know. I think it's great, but also Kim and I, Work really well together in life. We really do. And Kim introduced me to her. Kim was like, I'm seeing her. I think she'd be really beneficial to you. And she is, and she's just, and I think it's sort of good because she gets our dynamic even from a deeper level by knowing Kim.

• 29:36Alex Cooper?

  Oh, nice.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 29:38Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  And she gets to hear Kim's version of the story or Kim's version of, not that it's a lie or anything, but like Kim's version of our childhood and my version. And, you know, because we all have different experiences and how we narrate things. And I, I think that's important.

• 29:53Alex Cooper?

  I think that's amazing. I was also thinking like, half the time you could be like, oh, I'm sure Kim caught you up on this, but this recently just happened and then boom, you're in it.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  If she does, she's really good at not acting like that.

• 30:05Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Obviously, everything that you do is basically discussed on the internet. Do you read your comments?

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Sometimes.

• 30:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  I think it just depends. I didn't for years. Lately, I'll, not that I'm really reading. I like to engage with fans. So it's more like I like to, she's like, hi, I love you, like, nice things because I'm just appreciative. But when it gets, I could tell if I'm in like a dark place and I'm like, I'm not strong enough to read things. So it just really depends on me, but I wouldn't say no.

• 30:37Alex Cooper?

  What comments upset you the most?

• 30:42Speaker 01

  Right now, I feel like I'm really good. Like I'm in a good place. I don't think, I'm like, oh, shut up. Like I could just brush it off and be like, I don't know. Someone said something to me the other day. I'm like, daddy chill, like leave me the fuck alone. But things just don't get under my skin. But before, it would probably be more, I think, when I was fresh off of the Tristan cheating on me stuff, if it was any comment about me being. Weak or like I can't keep a man or things like that, that maybe I was already insecure about like, I was like, okay, that just, that's a trigger, but more so because I'm insecure about it. If they said it to me on another day, it probably wouldn't bother me.

• 31:24Alex Cooper?

  I think that's also interesting because looking at public figures, so much of what we are seeing are things that people are also experiencing in their everyday life. Like there's nothing more relatable than getting cheated on. Sadly, I've been cheated on. Everyone in this room has been cheated on and it's so fucking sad, but you having to play it out on the world stage, people get to have the opinions where like so many women, obviously listening and watching are going to be like, oh, I went back after he cheated on me, but that is not on the tabloids. So you having to read things, I do love that you're saying like, it literally depends on the day. Some days I'm feeling good.

• 32:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:01Alex Cooper?

  It just depends where you're at mentally.

• 32:03Speaker 01

  Totally. There's some days I'm like, I can't like, there was a time that I was like, I can't even go outside because I was so embarrassed to even look at people. And that I'm like, but why did I carry that with me? Like now that I'm out of that? And I don't know. And it was obviously something that I had to process and go through and work on myself about, but I'm not gonna deny that I wasn't at that low of a point where there were times I would not leave my house because I just didn't even want to look at someone in the eyes. Like that's how dark it got for me.

• 32:50Alex Cooper?

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• 33:35Alex Cooper?

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• 34:17Alex Cooper?

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• 34:27Speaker 01

  Like, it's silly to me, but when people say, "We're not talented," and I think, in the traditional sense, like, no, we're not singing and dancing, yes. But nowadays, there's so much more to people, and I think we have so much power in marketing and branding, and we've been in this business for 20 years. And to be able to do that, and to do that with six, seven, if you include my mom, different, unique individuals, and sustain and evolve and keep that going, you would call, if we were men, you'd be like, "They're marketing geniuses." But because we're women, people want to, you know, sort of poke and make fun. And we are along for the ride. We will make fun. We're along

• 35:10Speaker 01

  with the jokes. We'll go with it because we have a good sense of humor and we get it. But traditionally, yes, we're not sitting here singing on a stage, performing, and I respect that. But we also deserve a little respect in terms for how long that we've been sustaining in this industry and evolving and not just coasting, and to do it with so many different people.

• 35:32Alex Cooper?

  I think what you guys have built is so fucking incredible. I just want to first say that. And I agree with you that- I feel like for a while that was definitely the sentiment where people were like genuinely so frustrated that your family had so much traction and there was like this absolute want for none of you to succeed.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:59Alex Cooper?

  And you all surpassed that. And like you said, you've all built your own individual businesses. Like it is insane that every single one of you has a thriving individual business while also the collective business.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:13Alex Cooper?

  And I think that you're right with regard to like the way that people speak about men versus women. I also do think that maybe the tides are going to shift because you now look at a traditional influencer, right? And I think we're watching a lot of influencers rise and fall within two years or one year or three years or four years because it's like they take too many brand deals and then they become less relevant and then they're kind of done.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Or inauthentic.

• 36:40Alex Cooper?

  Yes. And it's not authentic and it's not this or it's that. But I can imagine, yeah, it's, it's frustrating to know if it was X amount of men in a family of brothers. It'd be like, goddamn, they're so fucking smart. One of them should be the president of the United States.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  Oh, we think that all the time.

• 36:57Alex Cooper?

  Right?

• 36:57Speaker 01

  But we also get it. Like we're the first ones to, we take it on the chin. Like, and I also think that's what we all should do. I think, yes, it's okay to still prove your place in the world, but also understand if people aren't forward thinkers with you. Cause I get it at the time, people couldn't understand, well, how are they, how are they acquiring such want and desire and attention? But what do they do? Like, I get that. And but we've proven ourselves. And especially when people, like you said, were praying and trying for our downfall. And we were like, no, we're good.

• 37:34Alex Cooper?

  It's really cool to see how you guys have continued to build in a way that as a businesswoman myself, like I look up to what you guys have done.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 37:45Alex Cooper?

  No, I love it. Okay. I'm going to give you a scenario and you tell me which family member you would call first.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 37:52Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Who would you call if you needed a last minute red carpet look?

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Kim.

• 37:59Alex Cooper?

  Whose closet would you love to steal from the most?

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Kim and Kylie.

• 38:03Alex Cooper?

  Who has the best style?

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Ah, they're so unique and different in their own ways. But if I had Kendall's body, I would say Kendall.

• 38:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Who is the most high maintenance person in your family?

• 38:16Speaker 01

  Kris Jenner.

• 38:18Alex Cooper?

  As she should be.

• 38:19Speaker 01

  Rightfully so.

• 38:21Alex Cooper?

  Okay. What sister are you calling if you wanted to get back at an ex that did you wrong?

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Ooh, well.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  I would be, I would.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Cause I would, it depends who, but I would say Kendall, Kylie, Kim on conference.

• 38:40Alex Cooper?

  I can't imagine how much money people would pay for that trio. If you need advice, like I can't imagine being able to just call those three women and be like, I need advice. This man fucked me over. What do I do?

• 38:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:53Alex Cooper?

  So good. Um, okay. What is the pettiest thing that you've done to get back at an ex?

• 38:58Speaker 01

  So I'm not like that petty of a person. I wish I was like, but I will say, I'm gonna fuck your dad. But it doesn't happen. But that would be like my dream if I was like that petty, but no, that's never happened.

• 39:15Alex Cooper?

  Chloe, the way that you just said that was like, I was like, oh my gosh, she's done that.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Cause in my soul, I want to, but then I'm like, I will braid your hair later. Like I'm such a pussy. But I pretend I am like I, in my soul, I'm like, and if when I'm mad at you, I will fucking go off and I'm a machine gun with my words and insults. And then I'm like, all right, whatever.

• 39:37Alex Cooper?

  You're like, no.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  I'm over it. I got all the energy out.

• 39:40Alex Cooper?

  And then you're like, what are you doing later?

• 39:42Speaker 01

  Right. Fine. Come over.

• 39:44Alex Cooper?

  Who makes the worst decisions when it comes to guys in your family?

• 39:47Speaker 01

  Can I say myself?

• 39:51Speaker 01

  I would say me.

• 39:52Alex Cooper?

  Not anymore though.

• 39:53Speaker 01

  No, cancel, cancel. Not anymore. I do not claim that energy anymore.

• 39:57Alex Cooper?

  We're done. What is the furthest length you've ever gone to get intel on a guy?

• 40:02Speaker 01

  Oh, I've gone far. I've, I've gone far. I mean, yeah, I've either.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Kim has this way of knowing how to hack into people's voicemails when voicemails were a thing. So we've done that in the past.

• 40:18Alex Cooper?

  Oh, my God. I'm just picturing you guys like sitting around the kitchen, getting in there, screaming when you hear it.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Screaming, throwing the phone down or like, cause you're like, oh my God, like, we didn't think we would actually get in and we get in.

• 40:32Alex Cooper?

  And most times would you find something?

• 40:34Speaker 01

  Probably every time. I mean, I've also.

• 40:39Speaker 01

  I've also to my, yes, I've had trackers on people's cars before. Yeah.

• 40:45Alex Cooper?

  Oh, she's gone.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Gone girl over here.

• 40:48Alex Cooper?

  It's so crazy too. And people are like, oh, well, is that crazy? It's like, no, when you force a woman to go crazy, it's like, what did you do?

• 40:57Speaker 01

  That's what I hate. Do not act like you did not put me in this position and you did not make me be this psychopath. But I think that's something I need to think is a red flag in a man when they create the psychopath in me.

• 41:12Alex Cooper?

  It's so true, but it doesn't mean we can't look back with fond memories. Like Chloe, I remember I got my, my boyfriend cheated on me. I decided to stay and I got his iPad and it was connected to his iCloud. Chloe, I'm living in New York City at the time and it was a big ass iPad. They didn't have the small ones. I'm walking to and from work, getting on the subway, going to work, and I have the iPad open at all times, reading his incoming texts, reading, reading, reading, eating lunch. I would literally set it up at work and be my computer screen, the iPad. It's an addiction.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Once you start, you can't stop. I've been there. I have been there. I remember my ex-husband and he remembers this story, I'm sure. He, we were married. He was doing his thing and he went down to some motel in downtown LA and was with a girl and I was young. Not that, I mean, I'm like, maybe 26, something like that. Probably still old enough to not behave like this, but I was there and I remember asking the guy at the front. I was like, hey, is Lamar Odom, where's Lamar Odom? Like he's this big guy. You can identify him. He told me what room he was in. I saw in the window that him and this girl were.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  They were either naked or in, she was in lingerie, something like that. I knocked on the door. They answered it for some reason. And I just started going ballistic. And I remember the next day, it was, I think Penelope's birthday party, and it was a cowboy party, and my knuckles were all bloody and gross. And I just had bandanas wrapped around. I was on theme. And I acted as if nothing ever happened. And I don't think I ever said a thing. He could not understand how I knew where he was. And I was like, I don't give a shit. I'm not telling anybody anything. And why are you in a motel in downtown LA at three in the morning?

• 43:04Alex Cooper?

  The best part is you're saying, you're like, he's like, how did you find out, Chloe, Chloe, they're always like, how did you find out? You're like, it doesn't matter. Why are you doing this?

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Why are you here? But also, everyone told, like, it's like, you're this seven foot tall man, you're, and you're on the Lakers. Everyone knows who you are. You're very identifiable. So I think how I found out was people on Twitter were like Lamar Odom is da, da, da. And so I, of course, in that psychotic, I searched his hashtag for his name, of course, like any real girl does.

• 43:36Alex Cooper?

  No. Oh, my God. Do you remember like, I used to go, if I knew he was at a certain club, I'd like, go to the Instagram story of the club.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 43:44Alex Cooper?

  See who's tagging at the club. Then you go to their page.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  No, it's that you never sleep. Girls never sleep.

• 43:49Alex Cooper?

  That is when, to any girl going through it right now, there is something so genuinely freeing. At first, it's painful because you literally feel like you're going through withdrawals. Where like, I remember my friend took the iPad from me and she was like, we're done.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  No, you need to.

• 44:02Alex Cooper?

  And I said, no. And then I took it back. And it only took him finally figuring it out and deactivating it. Like, she couldn't even get it away from me. But then it ended up, I started living my life again. I would go to work and not be focused on the iPad.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  It's an obsession and an addiction. And the best thing is when you're free of that. And I pray I never am back there again.

• 44:20Alex Cooper?

  Me too.

• 44:20Speaker 01

  I won't be. Yes.

• 44:21Alex Cooper?

  I'm sending all the energy.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  This was years ago. So, heck.

• 44:24Alex Cooper?

  Um, like you've mentioned, you recently turned 40. How would you describe this new era of your life, like entering this new decade? Just give me all the feels.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  So I have heard before, when I was in my 30s, like, oh, turning 40s is so great. Everyone's like, it's freeing, it's this. So I always had a really good perception of what 40 was going to be like. And my 30s were just really tough for me, like a lot of traumatic experiences. I had great experiences, like by having my kids, but Either business or so many things weren't going the way that I really wanted them to, or how I envisioned. And I think that for me, at least, I envisioned being married and having kids. And I just had this different fantasy, I guess, or just what I thought when I was 20, what was going to happen in my life. And those things didn't happen. And then I was like, you know what, instead of making this such a sob story, I'm going to be like, I can't, let me

• 45:19Speaker 01

  change the narrative, get all the shit out in my 30s. And I'm going to leave them in my 30s, and they're just going to be stepping stones and things that make me stronger and better for my 40s. And intentionally, in the last like, two years of my 30s, I was, I called it like shedding this negativity. And I actually saw this, he's not, he's like a spiritual healer. And he was like, you are, and like, your new decade is going to be this fresh start for you. And he just sort of confirmed everything that I felt. And I started a couple of new businesses in my 30s, but they didn't come true until my 40s. And I just felt like now so many great things are happening for me. Not that they weren't my 30s, but the traction, the traction

• 46:03Speaker 01

  was slower. And I'm not gonna hold on to any of the negativity that I had in my 30s. So I'm like, okay, that was all the bullshit. I'm leaving it there. And I'm only receiving, receiving and accepting beautiful, positive things for my 40s.

• 46:19Alex Cooper?

  I love everything you just said, because at the very beginning, you said something that I think is very relatable, especially for women and just like timelines, when you're talking about like, wanting this thing for yourself and having this like, very, very clear vision of exactly what you thought you were gonna have. And I have so many women write into me being like, I am 32, I'm 35, I'm 30, I'm 38, whatever it be, in that 30 or like, end of the 20s era. And it's this like, Horrible feeling you feel like upset with yourself and disappointed in yourself because you're like, no, I was supposed to do this. And especially when you're comparing yourself

• 47:00Alex Cooper?

  to whether it's your sisters or your friends being like, but she got married and she was doing this. And then you start to just feel like you failed, like, and, and there's no chance to get the time back. And I fucked this up. Like, do you have any advice for any women listening of how you did end up pushing through not sticking to the timeline that you had envisioned essentially your whole life growing up?

• 47:24Speaker 01

  Well, I think at first you have to go through those feelings and it's okay to feel it. Like, I definitely felt like a failure or my time passed. And you, I think it's natural to compare, at least for me. I have all these successful siblings and I see all what they're doing. And I'm like, okay, but I'm sort of stagnant at this place. And for me, I love to pray. I listen to, I have a Bible app that I do every morning. I need that time for myself, but it sets the tone for my day. And if I don't do that, or if I don't at least have your positive affirmations, or whatever that is, that really encourages yourself. If it's the gym, like little things, you have to take that you time. But I took

• 48:05Speaker 01

  time intentionally this year to self reflect and be like, what am I doing? Because it's not everybody else. So what am I doing that's not sticking? Or let me change how I'm handling something else? Or, but when it comes to marriage or kids, like that, I feel bad that we put that pressure on ourselves. And it's hard not to, because essentially, we do have this biological clock that's ticking when it comes to babies. But also, what is really cool is I did do IVF in my twenties. And when you froze embryos, then you had to sign something that when you're, I believe it said, like, when you're 40 or 42, if you don't use these embryos yet, you have to either donate the, you have your choices either.

• 48:52Speaker 01

  Donate them to science, donate them to people for adoption, or terminate them. And you signed which ones that you agreed to. And then I did, I made embryos, I want to say when I was like 35. And that time span now it's at like 50 something. And so it moved about 10 years because our life expectancy is longer. So I'm saying that to say that there, we don't have to have kids as early as we once thought we could. My mom years ago had Kendall and Kylie at 40 and 41. And that was, what, 28 years ago or whatnot, 29 years ago. And so I think sometimes we have these expectations

• 49:35Speaker 01

  where we think by 32, if I don't have X, Y, and Z done, then it's over for me. But that's not essentially the case. And I think we have to focus on what makes us happy. And everything else will fall into plan. And if it's in God's will, it's going to happen, not to get all spiritual, but I do think what's meant for you is always going to find you no matter what, but you have to believe it's going to happen. And mainly, you have to believe that you're worthy of that. There was a long time that I didn't think I was worthy of a certain type of love. And I think that shows. And I really had to work on myself and say that I'm worthy of the same type of love that so many other people are.

• 50:14Alex Cooper?

  I can tell the way you're saying it, Chloe, is like, it took a lot of the shit that was painful to get to the place where you're getting to say that. And so that's why I also think I appreciate you sharing that because I think someone could really need that advice right now because they could be in a similar place as you were a few years ago, or you just found out that you thought the love of your life isn't going to be that anymore. Like whatever it is that's like shifting for someone right now, that message, I think, is so powerful to alleviate a little bit of the stress that they feel that they're putting on themselves. I want to talk about your romantic life for a second because you were only 23,

• 50:58Alex Cooper?

  23, when Keeping Up With The Kardashians started.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  I think I was 22.

• 51:01Alex Cooper?

  22. Okay, 22. Can you talk to me about like, In hindsight, looking back now, like, how do you feel that some of your hardest romantic relationship moments played out on the world stage for the public eye?

• 51:19Speaker 01

  So what's interesting is when we started, we were just supposed to be show filler. I think Lindsay Lohan had a reality show that was supposed to go on E. And something happened where she scrapped it last minute. And E was like, we need something filler, just six episodes. And my mom and Kim were like, we're gonna do it. Or I don't know how that conversation went, but basically we had this show. And we were told, don't worry, don't get, I think the quote was, don't get too comfortable here. You're just filler. So when we first started, we were like, we just weren't thinking that this is, people are gonna watch this. Do you know what I mean? We were just like, we're filler. We're told not to get comfortable here. It is what it is. And so we were just being

• 52:05Speaker 01

  morons, like just who we are, like just not overthinking it. And it turned into something, it snowballed into something really great. But I didn't think everything through, if you will. And so I'm just being me. And, but I also have always tried to keep that for me. I don't want to overthink, or else I think it really changes how the show is perceived. And so with that, I intentionally, not that I want all of these things to be played out on the show, but I've really made a conscious effort to not edit. And if I, I feel like it's fair game. If something's in the press, that's true and that's happening.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  It's my, sort of, it's my obligation to have that on TV because that's what in fact is happening. And that's not fair for me to say, you know what? I don't want that on the show because it's in the press or what, because it hurts me or whatever. I feel like I can't be the only one going through certain things. And if it makes somebody else feel seen, or if it helps somebody get through something, or it doesn't have to be the exact same thing. But if it's something that they can relate to at all, I really hope that I make someone feel more seen and safe and that they're not alone on this island that feels so incredibly isolating.

• 53:24Alex Cooper?

  One of the things, again, that I think like people I mean, you got so much commentary, obviously, on your relationship with Tristan, but I do genuinely believe that there were a lot of women that connected to it. And even if they were ashamed or embarrassed that they have done something similar, I think that storyline was also so massive. Aside from like the intricate, intricate details of like, holy fucking shit. Like, that was insane. But the actual relatability of it and going back to someone and trusting them again, to then have them fuck you over again.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 54:00Alex Cooper?

  Can you talk to me about how you decided, though, that relationship was worth another try? Because I think a lot of people go through that feeling.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  So with the Tristan stuff, when we, when Kim, I think it was, found out that Tristan was cheating on me when I was pregnant, she was, if I remember correctly, I think she was about to sit down for Keeping Up Interviews. And it happened while she was in the interview chair. I don't know if as much would have been shown if that's not how it was unfolding in real time. We just happened to be filming all the fucking time, so it did happen that way. Um, and then that happened. I went into labor 48 hours later and I chose for, I agreed to have the cameras in the delivery room because I wanted that for true.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  And I chose for Tristan to be there because it wasn't about me. And people couldn't get over that. And also, I've never had a baby before at this point. It's my first pregnancy. I want to have what I envisioned, like we just talked about. But I also wanted, I just wanted what I wanted. And I don't know if that was the right thing. And I don't know, I just did what I felt was the right thing to do by saying to my daughter, your dad was in the delivery room. I don't need to tell her, one day she's going to know everything because she's going to be old enough to know. But I don't think she needs to know, I didn't have your dad in there because I was so angry. Do you know what I mean?

• 55:32Speaker 01

  I felt like these are, I can't make a permanent decision off of temporary emotions. I'm not going to hate Tristan forever, but I will never get that birth experience back. So there's so many things I did. For my child at that time. And I remember I was in Cleveland, I was staying there. And after the birth of True, and I was like in this isolated bubble of being alone with my child with these hormones. I would not watch TV. It was a huge media story. I couldn't even leave the house. We were surrounded by paparazzi. It was really isolating and overwhelming. I had

• 56:15Speaker 01

  no family and I don't, I honestly don't know, but little by little Tristan and I just started reconnecting and seeing this man with your brand new baby and all these things. Yes, you do get blinded by so many things. I'm not going to deny that. And but interestingly enough, I always had this guard up after that. I always felt something wasn't right. And that is something that I, I don't regret because I have Tatum, but that's something that I always remind myself, I could never fully get back there. And he knew that and we would talk about it. And we even did

• 56:59Speaker 01

  therapy over it. And like, we never, I never could fully trust him, or I never felt safe around him again. And like, either if he hugged me or little things like that, there were things that anybody could tell that I had major guards up. And so I'm not saying what I did was right, but there was God had other plans because I had my son, but there was something that I pushed to the side and I don't know why. It could have been that I was just so hormonal and new. I don't know. But yeah, it's just, I know if I didn't have a baby, I never would have stayed with Tristan,

• 57:42Speaker 01

  like, ever. Do you think that now, looking back, did the first cheating hurt? Or was the second one worse?

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• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  I think the first one hurt the most because I was pregnant. But also, I didn't get to sit with my feelings enough for the first one. I gave birth less than 48 hours later after the first cheating scandal happened with Tristan. And I don't know if this sounds right, but it's what I can think to say is that I don't even think I was able to process everything that happened because I, like, I think if I maybe was six months pregnant and that happened, I probably would have walked away and never went back.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  But because I gave birth less than two days later, and then you're, you sort of, I, I buried my head in the sand. And I was like, I just want to have this bliss that I always dreamed of and have a brand new baby and have the daddy here. And, and I think who wouldn't? But it's really, when you've never been in that position, it's really easy to judge and to say things. I only did the best that I knew how. And I think the worst part of that experience was how much I let down my younger sisters. Cause I remember they were like, he's gonna do this again. Don't like stay with him. And I remember, I don't know exactly what was said, but I just remember sort of the...

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Like the disappointment in them, they would never say that to me and they've never said that to me, but I've always felt how much I've disappointed them by staying and doing that again, because that's so, I, I didn't do that. I was always like, fuck him and they're disrespecting you. And so I've all, I still feel really horrible about that because I've always been this big sister to them. But I will say, so I don't, maybe the second one hurt more because I lived with it in, for so much longer. And, and maybe I've had more shame with the second scandal because I sort of knew it was going to happen again.

• 1:02:58Alex Cooper?

  Do you think you would ever talk to Kylie and Kendall about it? Like now having hindsight? Like I realized like I never, I still have this like feeling that I let you guys down? And I like.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  I would talk to them about anything, but I don't think they would ever admit that I let them down because I don't, I don't think that they realize how much I saw in their faces. Like I don't think, and I think now true is going to be seven next month. And so seven years have gone by and so much life has happened for Kendall and Kylie as well. So maybe they even understand more than seven years ago, but I'll never forget their faces. And I don't think for a second, they would even feel like I disappointed them. But I remember those faces and it's hard to forget something like that.

• 1:03:53Alex Cooper?

  I was going to say, like, I think that what you said though, is so relatable of like, but they've lived since then. And I think the closer you get to more life experience, more life experience, like even you. Saying that Chloe, I'm going to be honest, like I bet when all this came out seven years ago, I was probably like judging you like, oh, like, how did she get back with him? And, and what is that? And then now I'm sitting here and I'm thinking about having kids one day. And I'm thinking about myself being in a situation where I do have a child. And when you're talking about this period where you're like, I literally gave birth. I just gave birth. And yes, I want to enjoy that.

• 1:04:33Alex Cooper?

  Like, I so get that now because I'm getting closer to that point in my life where I probably in my early twenties was like, what the fuck is she doing all my? You know what I mean? Like, it's just perspective.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  But I probably would have done the same if I saw someone going through that. And sometimes you can see a car crash happening before it actually happens. And, you know, when you asked which one hurt more at first, like my initial reaction was, oh, the one with true, the first one. But then I was like, but actually, no, I think the second one because I,

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  I had so much more time to live with it. And, you know, I hid it from the public that I was having a second baby, even though I found out he had a second, he had not a second, he had another child. And then I had to deal with this privately, and that was almost worse. But I was so ashamed to tell the world that I was having another baby because I already knew what they were going to say. And I already knew what everyone was going to say about me. And I, I already knew in my gut that that was probably going to happen again. And then that sounds idiotic. Why would you be with someone? But there was just this, now I knew in hindsight, oh, that's what that feeling was of never

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  feeling safe with him again, that I just, my body sort of knew, a woman's intuition, this isn't the right fit for you. But at the time, I couldn't identify what that is. I don't know if that makes sense.

• 1:06:02Alex Cooper?

  No, no, it does. I want to ask you, like, to someone sitting and listening to this right now, that is contemplating staying with someone that cheated on them, like, do you have any advice?

• 1:06:13Speaker 01

  Well,

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  From my experience, I don't think people

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  really can change in that regard.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  But I also think, I don't know, you, I would have to know like the context of the story. I don't want to like tear anyone's dreams down. For me, I would say, you know, once people show you who they are, believe them. And that's something I had to learn the hard way. And also you have to listen to your gut and your intuition. And I really was trying to mute mine, I think, because I wanted to have this vision of what my life was more than I would listen to something. And but that, what kind of life is that?

• 1:07:03Alex Cooper?

  I also just feel like the takeaway too, it's like, yes, we can sit here and try to give people advice. But like, sometimes you actually need to live it. Sometimes you do need to get punched in the gut and have these horrible things happen for you to know now. Like, yes, you felt that gut feeling that maybe they would have cheated again. I had the same thing and he did, he cheated again. But I needed to feel it because I couldn't have anyone look at me and tell me otherwise until I was done with it myself. And I really, really learned from it and was able to move on and have closure within myself. Because also giving credit to friends and sisters, like they can beg us. But it's so fucking different when it's your life and there's kids involved. Like hands down, there is, you have to go through it on your own.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  And the advice I would give when I was single with no kids is so different than the advice I would give having kids. And it's really, really fucking hard when you have children involved and you have this fairy tale that you really want to fulfill and live out and you can't and don't. But that doesn't mean that another fairy tale can't be created.

• 1:08:08Alex Cooper?

  We got to kind of see you get this closure with your ex husband Lamar this season. How do you come to terms? That love just like isn't enough sometimes.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  I know that's sad because I think in your twenties, you really believe that love is all you need. Um, and Lamar was one of Lamar is, you know, I really do think it was the right person, wrong time. And I have so much love for Lamar and I, in every relationship that I have, like, I'm so grateful for them, even the worst of them. Like, I really think that they mold me and they make me more empathetic and compassionate and they just, they build me in a different way. Um, and with Lamar, like I, that was one of the best, it's crazy because it was one of the best chapters of my life. And then also it took away so much of my innocence.

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

  It was, there were things that I was exposed to that I never in a million years thought I would be exposed to. It was, I definitely lived a double life for a long time. Um, and again, even things I never would have even predicted that I would have been living or I don't think people could imagine. But when it was one of the most awkward things I've ever filmed.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  Lamar and I have so much history and to not talk to someone in almost 10 years and then to be around them. And I didn't know what to expect. I was nervous. He was clearly very nervous. I felt like without me realizing it, because we, we sat for four and a half hours. So what you guys saw, I think was maybe a 20, 30 minutes tops. We were there for four and a half hours. And there were things that I didn't realize until watching, I sort of blacked out. And it was just my trauma taking over and this was me in autopilot. And how many things either he did or said that were triggering me to the old Lamar.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  So I noticed myself being short or snappy or this or that. And I didn't like that version of me and. And I'm sure he didn't like that version of me or whatnot. And maybe I triggered him in different ways. I don't know. But it was, I really love that I got that experience with him, but I think there's so much more that maybe needs to be said and done. Um, but I also don't know if I need that right now.

• 1:10:47Alex Cooper?

  And I think that's like, okay to say, like, I feel like even you saying like, 10 years without speaking to someone, and then you're sitting across from them and you're still having a trauma response. Like, that is one, normal to everyone who says, like, well, trauma just goes away. It's about, no, no, no. Like, a lot of times, it can live with you for your whole life, or it can be a specific things trigger it. If you smell something, if you see something, whatever it is. So like, you having that response, I agree. It's like, now you can take your time on your time and on his time when you guys can figure out it works for you to like, go down that path. But maybe it doesn't all need to be in like, one sit down, like, let's fix this whole thing. And like, let's move on, like,

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  And I didn't think for a second, I still was holding on to anything. And so then, when I was with him, or certain, like, just certain things that either made me have flashbacks to 10 years ago, I was, I just noticed that I turned my brain off. Because so much, I didn't even remember being said or done until I watched the show. And I was like, oh, damn, that was a little harsh. Or I can't believe I said that to him. Or, and, but it's wild that I would blackout at daytime. Like, it's not like I was on anything. That's why I was like, it was, it was so bizarre to me. I've never been in that situation before. Um, but I also, like, I'm so grateful for all those experiences, too. And I, but I do think maybe

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  more does need to be discussed. I just don't feel the need or the urgency to do it right now.

• 1:12:17Alex Cooper?

  Do you think you would ever get married again?

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  I would love to get married again. Yeah. I, a lot of people think that I am very, like, maybe cynical about love. And I, I'm a hopeless romantic. I believe in love. And I think it's beautiful. And I love the union of marriage. I respect it so much.

• 1:12:35Alex Cooper?

  And you're single right now?

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  I'm single right now.

• 1:12:37Alex Cooper?

  Are you dating?

• 1:12:38Speaker 01

  I have not dated in over three years since

• 1:12:42Alex Cooper?

  Chloe!

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  Tatum was in my surrogate's belly.

• 1:12:45Alex Cooper?

  Okay, would you?

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, over three years.

• 1:12:48Alex Cooper?

  When are, are you going to get back out there? Are you still gonna take it slow? Like, do you have an idea of like,

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  So I think I need to work on things with myself still.

• 1:12:58Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Because I I'm really happy. I don't feel lonely. I don't feel any of that stuff. I feel great, which is actually like concerning because I feel like I could go this way for like 10 more years.

• 1:13:09Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I love this shit. I'm in bed alone and watching my documentaries.

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, no one's bothering me, taking a bed space. Like, I'm good. But I also think a lot of it is too that I don't know. I've worked on my confidence so much and I'm I've gotten that back or in a good place, but I don't know how confident I am in trusting myself when it comes to picking men just because of my past. And so I'm working on that and I don't want to I don't want just distractions in my life. I'm not lonely or bored in that regard. Um, if I need a night out, I have my girlfriends and I just don't. Once you get to a certain place, you don't even miss a thing. I don't need anything. But um, I need to work on feeling confident in who I'm picking.

• 1:13:56Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I'm gonna describe a man to you.

• 1:13:59Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:13:59Alex Cooper?

  And you are gonna tell me if you would give him a shot.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:14:02Alex Cooper?

  Are you ready?

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:04Alex Cooper?

  Okay, he is super present and involved in your life, but refuses to be on the show or let you post pictures of him.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  Does he have social media?

• 1:14:14Alex Cooper?

  That's a great question.

• 1:14:15Speaker 01

  I hope not. I love that.

• 1:14:16Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna say, is it suspicious suspicious of a guy doesn't have social media?

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  Doesn't? No, I love that. That's like a big turn on.

• 1:14:23Alex Cooper?

  I agree. Yeah. Like, that's hot. So you're so you'd be down if he didn't have social media?

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:14:28Alex Cooper?

  Because if he has a social media and he's not posting you.

• 1:14:30Speaker 01

  Right, then that makes me like, oh, that's weird. Because what are you? Are you have a family that you're hiding from?

• 1:14:36Alex Cooper?

  But actually, yeah. Um, okay, all of your sisters are obsessed with him, but Chris hates him.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  Oh, that would be so hard. I don't think so.

• 1:14:48Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you actually like live together.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, basically. And she I probably care like, cause she hangs out with me more than my sisters half the time.

• 1:14:56Alex Cooper?

  Who do you think is the hardest sister to impress when it comes to bringing a guy around?

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  Kendall.

• 1:15:02Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  Kendall and Court, but Kendall is like no nonsense.

• 1:15:06Alex Cooper?

  Love that for you.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  I love that for her too.

• 1:15:09Alex Cooper?

  Chris once said, you got ghosted because you didn't give your date a blowjob. What other chaotic relationship advice has she given you? Fucking love her.

• 1:15:18Speaker 01

  Today, she was like, don't bring up the blowjob story. I was like, I'm so sorry. I'm like, but it was true. She's like, well, it doesn't make me look good. And I was like, well, it was like the early nineties. It was a different time.

• 1:15:31Alex Cooper?

  Chris, we fucking love that you said this. You're you're like, the fact that she even said that, I'm obsessed. Like, come on.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Early nineties. It's fine.

• 1:15:40Alex Cooper?

  So good.

• 1:15:41Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  I mean, she's just a very forward thinking type of mother and she is the thing that I love about my mom is you can literally tell her anything and she's fine with it. She just wants to be in the know and she will find like, she's also a problem solver. So if there's anything that's not going right, she'll find the solution. So I don't know off the top of my head, but she will.

• 1:16:08Alex Cooper?

  She'll figure it out.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Girl out.

• 1:16:10Alex Cooper?

  Okay, he's the best sex you've ever had, but you find out he once hooked up with one of your sisters.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  You want to know what's crazy?

• 1:16:18Alex Cooper?

  What?

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  The older we get, the pull gets smaller. Like, I'm like, I don't know. I think if I was 20, I would probably be like, that's a deal breaker.

• 1:16:29Alex Cooper?

  But you're like, I don't care.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  But now I'm like, do we need to talk about it? We're good, right?

• 1:16:35Alex Cooper?

  I think that's fair.

• 1:16:36Speaker 01

  I don't know if that like, is that?

• 1:16:38Alex Cooper?

  That's not bad.

• 1:16:39Speaker 01

  Insestual?

• 1:16:40Alex Cooper?

  No, I think it depends. I think it depends like how, how about this? If they have a baby together.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Oh, that's where we draw the line. Okay, we're not, yeah, we're not sharing baby daddies, but I don't know if you slept with someone 20 years ago, what the fuck am I supposed to do? It's hard out here.

• 1:16:59Alex Cooper?

  I kind of agree, like especially if they were like, oh, he was so good and a great guy.

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  Awkward, but I personally wouldn't care. Like if this was me and let's say Kim or Court or whoever single was like, oh, I met this guy. I'm like, oh my God, I fucked him when I was 20, but it's fine. Like I, I wouldn't care.

• 1:17:18Alex Cooper?

  Um, which of your sisters has the complete opposite type from you?

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Courtney, I think, yeah.

• 1:17:24Alex Cooper?

  Mm hmm. Okay. He loves to work out with you.

• 1:17:28Speaker 01

  Love that.

• 1:17:29Alex Cooper?

  But he's in the NBA.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  I can't anymore. No, I draw the line. Like maybe hooking up.

• 1:17:36Alex Cooper?

  Ooh.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  Cause I can hook up with people and like not think about it. I'm not one of.

• 1:17:39Alex Cooper?

  Oh, really?

• 1:17:40Speaker 01

  I can't, I haven't done it in a while, but.

• 1:17:42Alex Cooper?

  You don't have feeling?

• 1:17:43Speaker 01

  Those days. I mean, when I was younger, I was able to, I don't, it's a different world when you have kids. I don't know. But also I think it's more like it's transactional. Like this is business because I have kids.

• 1:17:54Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, like get in here, let's do it.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  And get out. You're not staying because you're not meeting my kids. So that's where my mindset, I think is, but I cannot, and yes, I'm going to stereotype. I will not be with another NBA player. But yes, if I need to fuck or whatever, maybe, maybe, I don't know, I'm not there, but I'm not going to say no. But I don't know what I just said.

• 1:18:16Alex Cooper?

  No, no, no. So she's like, is this color daddy?

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  No, it's odd.

• 1:18:20Alex Cooper?

  So no more NBA, but would you do a different type of professional athlete?

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  No, ideally not.

• 1:18:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:18:28Speaker 01

  But again, I would hook up, but you know, never say never, but it's just, I feel like I'm.

• 1:18:33Alex Cooper?

  A year later.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  I know, you're later.

• 1:18:35Alex Cooper?

  I'm like, I'm married. I'm getting married.

• 1:18:39Alex Cooper?

  You're like coming to the NFL. I'll get promised.

• 1:18:42Speaker 01

  I mean, and I hate to stereotype because I, but I haven't had great experiences is all I'm gonna say.

• 1:18:48Alex Cooper?

  Girl, that is so fucking fair. Okay. Let's talk about your podcast, Chloe in Wonderland. First of all, congratulations because I am love podcasting. It's hard work, but it's rewarding. Why did you want to start this?

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  Well, I am. It's Chloe in Wonderland. So it's all about like, go down the rabbit hole with me. I have so many bizarre curiosities and I sincerely am just fascinated by the strangest things. I just watched a documentary on atomic bombs and I am like, hell yes. I'm so dorky in that way that people probably wouldn't think. But yeah, I just want to talk about, I really have bizarre, weird fascinations and I want to indulge in them.

• 1:19:30Alex Cooper?

  Are you gonna have your sisters on the pod?

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  So the funny thing is Kylie was like, I'm so offended. You haven't asked me to be on the podcast. And I'm like, well, what are you gonna give me? Like, I don't really, like, what would you give me? That I don't already know about, like, what's fired? You know, it's gonna be very contrived. Like, I don't need this. But most people would die to have, you know, my sisters on. I'm more like, whatever. Like, we'll think about it. But like, my mom, yes. Yes. Love Kris Jenner. Cause we also are like, love Vernon Shirley, Lucy and Ethel. Don't know if these people know who that is. But you know, we're just like fun.

• 1:20:12Alex Cooper?

  You can like, talk about complete random shit.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:15Alex Cooper?

  Where people are gonna want the tea.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:17Alex Cooper?

  Like, if you're having Kylie on, everyone's gonna be like, why didn't you ask about the Oscars? Why? You're gonna be like, oh, okay.

• 1:20:22Speaker 01

  And I have like, a list of things what I should have asked about. And I just, it's too much pressure for me.

• 1:20:27Alex Cooper?

  Who is your current dream guest?

• 1:20:29Speaker 01

  So I love Dolly Parton. I really, really do.

• 1:20:34Alex Cooper?

  Ooh.

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  I know, I love her, but her poor husband just passed away of 60 years and my heart breaks for her. I'm not kidding.

• 1:20:41Alex Cooper?

  Heartbreaks. Not the right time to ask for a pod.

• 1:20:43Speaker 01

  Not the right time.

• 1:20:44Alex Cooper?

  But at one point, maybe.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  One day I love her, but I do, I'm so excited. I just had this UFOologist on and I love shit like that. So like.

• 1:20:52Alex Cooper?

  I am obsessed that you're going a direction that no one would have thought.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  I love conspiracies.

• 1:20:57Alex Cooper?

  Last question. If you could go back and talk to yourself during season one of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, what would you say?

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  You've done an excellent job.

• 1:21:10Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 1:21:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wouldn't change a thing. Like as sad or hard and, you know, depressing or whatever, as some situations may have been, the great outweighs all the bad that's ever happened to me. And I am just proud of how I've handled everything. And I'm most proud of how me and my family have stuck together. And just enjoy the ride.

• 1:21:37Alex Cooper?

  Chloe, I just had such a great time with you.

• 1:21:40Speaker 01

  I did too.

• 1:21:41Alex Cooper?

  Thank you so much for coming on. It's so nice to meet you in person. Obviously, like, I feel like I've just watched you for so many years. I've obviously watched the show. I'm a huge fan, but like to get to sit here with you. It was truly a pleasure.

• 1:21:55Speaker 01

  Oh, well, thank you for having me on. I've honestly had the best time. I felt like this one, but yeah, chill and really fast.

• 1:22:02Alex Cooper?

  Love, love, done.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:22:19Alex Cooper?

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