M2 CS Review; A Bad Car that Changed History?

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 2:10Matt Farah?

  A whole lot more details about my project E500 Cabriolet. It's the Smoking Tire, let's go. Guys, the Smoking Tire is giving away a 992.1 Turbo S. In partnership with Dream Giveaways, we're giving away a $275,000 car with some slick choice mods. The proceeds benefit charity, and you don't have to buy any merch. It's a straightforward entry process. So hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today. But we're going, this is it.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  This is it.

• 2:45Matt Farah?

  This is the fucking show.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  It's happening now.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  Did anybody make, anybody out there on the Patreon make Carl's matzo ball soup? Couple of people talked a real big game in the comments, saying they were gonna make Carl's matzo ball soup. I wanna see fucking photos.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  See receipts.

• 2:58Matt Farah?

  Photos, or it didn't happen. You know, I didn't realize when I posted that on April 1st, that Carl's birthday was April 2nd. I didn't even realize.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  Really?

• 3:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I didn't even realize that. I probably should've, he was my friend. But you know, as one of my very best friends, I'm bad at birthdays.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I just am.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:19Matt Farah?

  But that's why I have.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  I am also, a lot of us are.

• 3:22Matt Farah?

  I, I have, uh, mated with a species called a Hannah. And a Hannah, the best Hannah fills in like most of the gaps in my personality and talent pool. You know what I mean?

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, your Venn diagram between you two, like, there's enough overlap where you get along, same, and this is very true with my wife too. But there's enough separation where she can handle and thinks in ways you don't, and vice versa. Yeah. Yeah, it's important.

• 3:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, it is. And so, uh, so anyway, hi, everybody. Cars, welcome to Cars. In theory, we're supposed to talk about cars, right? I wrote that piece for Road and Track about the income inequality. They didn't write income inequality in the headline, and, um, they took out some of the more...

• 4:21Matt Farah?

  Political stuff I put in there in the edit. But is it, it's probably not at the top anymore because Lawrence Ulrich drove that really cool thing. But that's, that's the artwork for, oh no, oh, they moved, they moved. It's down in like the culture.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Cause someone said they read it. They said they enjoyed it.

• 4:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, go down, keep going. Yes, it's in, it's in culture, or if you scroll down, you get to the culture section. Eventually, who the fuck? Where did it go, Habibi? No?

• 4:47Speaker 01

  That's funny because I didn't jump that car.

• 4:50Matt Farah?

  Good, what the fuck? Hey, what happened?

• 4:54Speaker 01

  What are we doing here?

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Is it in your monthly column?

• 4:58Matt Farah?

  It is. If you click Farah had a road trip and then click my name. It should, it's. Like it shouldn't, it should give you, no, it just gives you that?

• 5:10Matt Farah?

  Read full bio, oh, there, go, there it is. There it is, Jesus. That thing was on the front page all weekend, but then they buried it.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  They don't want people to know, man.

• 5:20Matt Farah?

  Enough of you. So anyway, I wrote, I wrote the piece that we were debating about, you can go read it and road and track. I also put, put the, the Dino tasting piece is up on the web. It's in, it's from the print magazine this month.

• 5:32Speaker 01

  I have not read that truly, and I want to.

• 5:34Matt Farah?

  The Dino tasting piece, yeah. Well, we can talk about it now. If you, do you want to, do you want to read it first?

• 5:39Speaker 01

  I'll read it first. I'll get some context for myself.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  You and I.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Otherwise, I'm listening to you tell me the article.

• 5:45Matt Farah?

  You and I like consume content like in such different ways. Like you watch videos that are made by our friends that like I don't really watch. And it's like, it's not because I don't like our friends. Like we joke about this. Like, it's just that like, you know, some people that, that we know who make good videos, you know, they put a lot of time into the shots and the, the narrative and whatever, and the dramatic buildup. And like, dude, if I, if I want to know what Henry Catchpole thinks about a car, like I'll text him. And that sounds snobby, but like, it's just, it's just the way to get the information, you know, that I want out of, out of my friend, if I have one, right? Whatever, fine. But you consume, consume the information, so.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  Well, sometimes, I mean, in, in those cases, a lot of times I'm doing it to see what our.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  You know, competition slash colleagues are doing stylistically and often recognizing that we can't do that because they have a team of six or whatever it is. So I'm doing a little bit of that and also like occasionally I don't think I watch that many car reviews anymore. It's very like specifically chosen once every few months, but I watch a lot of other like random content.

• 6:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I guess you watch when Pete, when like our friends make content about their own cars and things like that. Yeah, that's true. But yeah, it is, it was an interesting test, the dyno tasting. I'm a little disappointed they didn't use my title, dyno tasting. I thought that was a pretty good fucking clever title. I titled the fucking word document that I thought.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, but they want, I mean, they need to be very obvious.

• 7:14Matt Farah?

  It's behind the paywall right now, sorry, because the print magazine just came out. That's sort of how they do it. You can get the print, if you, if you're a member, I don't know how much it costs, I'm sorry, but if you're a member, you can get the print magazine stories on the web the month before they come out. So anyway, but fuck it, it's on newsstand, so I can talk about it. There's a, there is a, there is a spread, but if you look at, you know, all the curves, you know, all the different dynos that we used essentially measured the same curve, just the numbers were a little higher and a little lower. And we learned, one, one of the dyno guys used, gave me the same run, like the same poll.

• 7:57Matt Farah?

  We did a poll and then he gave me four sheets that showed four different numbers. And he's like, you can use four different weather correction factors and output four completely different numbers on the same poll and a trained eye would be able to tell you maybe which one they were using, but on the printout, the printout that everyone wants to take, that they then show their friends, like there's almost no way to tell from the printout which, so like, so like there's, there's effectively multiple ways for you to have a.

• 8:34Matt Farah?

  Dino operator output you an incredibly favorable looking result.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 8:40Matt Farah?

  If you using what are called weather correction factors and like weather correction factors are very useful. They're not like for cheating on dyno. Like they're essentially so that if you go, you know, a dyno is useful so that if you're going to install some parts or do a major modification to your car and you want to know, is this going to improve my performance? Or if someone is doing the same thing with an ECU tune, you lay down a baseline pull, record it, get your mods, and then you run it again. And then you go, I gained 50 horsepower. Great. Or maybe I didn't. Or maybe I lost some. In the case

• 9:19Matt Farah?

  of Jason Camisa and his cams in his BMW E30. And so that's what it's really useful for. But a weather correction factor is like, what if I do my baseline pull and it's 85 degrees and humid? And then it takes me like, it's in the summer, and then it takes me like three months to do my build. And now it's December and I'm doing the same shop, but it's like real cold. So you can adjust and normalize your numbers to a hypothetical optimized number, which is the most common one is the SAE weather correction factor, which essentially optimize, which essentially, if you don't have a California day, makes

• 10:01Matt Farah?

  you a California day. That's like basically, actually dyno testing in the spring in Southern California is remarkably similar to the SAE weather correction factor, which doesn't, which you can tell, it's like the temperature, the humidity.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  Like 60 degrees, not too humid.

• 10:18Matt Farah?

  It's a specifically ambient thing, so.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  You know, sea level.

• 10:21Matt Farah?

  Correct. So, but there's a bunch of other factors you could use. You know, this guy gave me four dyno sheets. It was 100 horsepower spread.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  Right, wow.

• 10:31Matt Farah?

  Like, on one car, like, on the same car, same pull. Like, you can make, you can make a dyno sheet say almost anything.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 10:37Matt Farah?

  If your goal is to...

• 10:39Speaker 01

  So if you were a bad actor in the space, we'll say, and like, if you, if you, if you're a dyno shop that offers tuning services, your tuner could, you know, let's just say they do legitimate tuning and the graph looks good, but then they want to be like, "Hey, our shop is the best tuner in town", and you just fudge with the weather correction, and so you guys are always making 30 horsepower over John's shop down the street.

• 11:02Matt Farah?

  Well, it moves all the numbers and curves together. So, I think, I mean, you'd have to be a, like, you'd have to be a piece of shit who also has exclusively dumb customers. Because, not, while not every customer knows that dynos read differently, and that it's only a before and after on the same dyno that really means anything, um, while not everybody knows that, like, a decent number of people do know that. And you couldn't run a business, you know...

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Not for very long.

• 11:33Matt Farah?

  Based on, on trying to get everybody on this. It just, it wouldn't work. Um, so I think most of the, conversely, like, most of the dyno shop owners were pretty aware of where their dyno would output compared to the other dynos. Like, nobody was like, trying to like, make excuses. Someone was like, "Yeah, this one reads a little higher, this one reads a little lower", like, um, and they did, and they did. And, but the, the curves really, for the most part, all looked the same. And there might be reasons you want to use one dyno, type of dyno versus another. Apparently, a lot of modern cars will only work on the all-wheel-drive dynos.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 12:18Matt Farah?

  And the only all-wheel-drive dyno I used was the World Motorsports one down in Torrance, the wind tunnel dyno that we tuned my car on. As it turns out, that's the quote "optimistic dyno". Um, it does read a little bit on the higher side.

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Will the modern cars only work there because the front rollers need to be spinning because of the speed sensor stuff?

• 12:35Matt Farah?

  Yes, matched, matched speed sensors. So, and, and, and, and I don't have a way of knowing. Folks taking a break from the action today because this episode is brought to you by Fitbod. Dude, there are so many ridiculous fitness influencers on Instagram who are trying to sell you less for more. Right? They've got a system and it's like a multi-level marketing thing and it's like manosphere adjacent. It's all bad stuff, but Fitbod combines workout planning, tracking, you need to stay consistent. A whole bunch of helpful tips and demonstrations to help you make more progress.

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  That's promo code tire. Go to bluechew.com for more details, important safety information. And thank you for BlueChew for sponsoring the podcast. But for God's sakes, man, get me some BlueChew Gold over here. We need to endorse this product accurately. And now back to the show. I don't know if it just reads higher because it reads higher. I don't know if it reads higher because it's got the wind tunnel and somehow the combination of the, because all three of the other dynos just had like little fans blowing at the radiator. This one has 87 miles an hour of wind over the entire car. I don't know how that affects, you know, the car, like what percentage that changes. I'm sure it's something, but I don't know how much.

• 17:36Matt Farah?

  So anyway, that one reads a little higher, other one reads a little lower. It's, it's, um, it's a kind of an interesting thing. Most people don't go through the trouble of testing for dynos.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  Pretty cool.

• 17:46Matt Farah?

  In, in once in one car. So, uh, it's interesting to see what the spread is like. Uh, and what the owners and operators of those dynos like have to say about it.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's a good article.

• 17:57Matt Farah?

  It was fun. Yeah, you, you should, I mean, read it and tell me what you think.

• 18:00Speaker 01

  I'll read it. I think it's a cool concept that you did it.

• 18:02Matt Farah?

  It was a good idea, yeah. Uh, and the, the dark horse that we used, um, didn't, I really need to sign in with my fucking membership.

• 18:14Matt Farah?

  I believe this image here, Zach, is all of the dyno lines put onto one graph.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  Oh, from all, because you use one car, four places?

• 18:26Matt Farah?

  That's one car.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:27Matt Farah?

  At four shops and they're all on one graph.

• 18:30Speaker 01

  Nice, okay.

• 18:31Matt Farah?

  So that, you know, they, they all showed, you know, pretty similar power curves, not exactly the same. Um, but there is a little bit of a spread, you know, about, about 10% in how they read.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  And three of them are really close together. You know, it's just the red, whatever this red line is that's like significantly jumped up from the others.

• 18:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:54Speaker 01

  Wow. Yeah.

• 18:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Rad.

• 18:57Matt Farah?

  Pretty cool. Cool, cool article, good story. Um, and the dark horse did, did perform well. One of the guys, uh, one of the guys who owned, owned one of the dynos like absolutely insisted that we get an American car with a manual transmission. And he's just like, it, it's just gonna be way less headaches. So he's like, any, any other car that's above that, you start having more and more. And because originally we were actually gonna get this BMW M2CS, which we'll pivot to in a minute. And he's like. The automatic gearboxes, you gotta have the all wheel drive. It won't work on any of the rear wheel drive ones.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  Whoa, okay.

• 19:34Matt Farah?

  So, interesting stuff.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, funky.

• 19:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so the M2CS.

• 19:41Matt Farah?

  CS usually means it's the best we can do in BMW speak, modern BMW speak, right? I mean, that's the M5CS.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  It's always the top of the performance line.

• 19:50Matt Farah?

  M3CS, right? You didn't put a better picture of it on Instagram because we actually have a video coming. You can see the camera gear ready because we were at Willow Springs ripping it.

• 20:03Matt Farah?

  So Zach and I both drove this thing a bunch. It's, it's got quite a bit more power, 536 horsepower, 32, 36.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  I think it's 523.

• 20:14Matt Farah?

  523?

• 20:15Speaker 01

  And it's only like 16 horsepower more than the regular M2, I think.

• 20:20Matt Farah?

  It's not a lot, it's not a ton more horsepower, but what it is, is.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  523, 479 pound-feet.

• 20:26Matt Farah?

  Thank you, sorry. What it seems like it is.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  Oh, my bad. 50 more horsepower than the regular 2025 M2.

• 20:32Matt Farah?

  It has the M3 engine, like that's what it gets. It's the M3 engine. But it, the last M2 I drove was a manual. It performed car of the year, and if you turned off traction control in that car, it would spin the tires in fourth as a, as a six-speed manual.

• 20:52Matt Farah?

  And it was crazy, but it was very nice to slide. And it, when, when it broke traction, it did so in what I would say is a nice way. It was, it was, that car to me, the manual gearbox M2 of this generation is like really a proper like hooligan type car. So I sort of thought that this would somehow be like even better. So like, things that are better, it looks very nice. I think it looks very nice.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  It looked, for what they've done with this design in general, I do think it's a good looking car. Profile's great, the paint color's great, the wheel choice, wheels look awesome. And the little, the lip spoiler on the back is pretty rad. Yeah, pretty good looking car.

• 21:39Matt Farah?

  That's a carbon trunk, it's a proper carbon trunk.

• 21:41Speaker 01

  Carbon hood, too.

• 21:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. When I parked it at Good Vibes next to a regular M2, it looks way better. The whole front end of the car is way better than a regular M2, in my opinion. Other things that are good, the dampers, oh yes. The like, the same great shit like that made fucking Chris Harris and Jethro and all these guys like shit themselves with glee about the old M5CS. This has that, this has those, it handles like bumps and stuff like that one did.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, on the highway was, it was fantastic how like comfortable it was on the highway. I remember when we drove up, I said, I wish this is how a new GT3 felt.

• 22:26Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Because, because and then in the canyons and also at the track, like it was absolutely tight enough locked down. Had some things we'll talk about in a minute, but the ride comfort was there and the sportiness was there.

• 22:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  And it was a really good breadth of like softness for these shocks.

• 22:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like the spread of comfort to sport plus is a pretty good spread. But when you dial it down to comfort, it's not sloppy.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:53Matt Farah?

  Like it's still nice.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:55Matt Farah?

  In comfort. And in fact, I think, I think sport plus was maybe a little too much, but on the track, I think I was in sport.

• 23:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, we were in sport most of the time. We tried sport plus. What this did that the MC20 GT2 Stradale did not do is that in comfort mode rode softly, but it pulled all the damper out.

• 23:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  And that's what a lot of them do, like, which means people like the shock is not doing anything. You're just basically riding on spring is what it feels like. So there's more movement in the car, but it will, the tires and wheels are more pliable.

• 23:24Matt Farah?

  Think 2015 C63, like, like AMG cars from 2005 to 2016, you know, in 2016, 17.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just, you lose some of the control over the chassis, but the exchange is that the car rides really nicely over certain kinds of bumps.

• 23:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  This, they don't take all the damper out of it. So it's a really nice balance of responsiveness to bumps and potholes without feeling like the thing is just, you know, all the springs are cranked up and the dampers have been removed.

• 23:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And this has the ceramic brakes, they're optional, they're like nine grand, which makes this a hundred and eight thousand dollar car. But they are very good. I mean, you know, no, no shit, they're good.

• 24:08Matt Farah?

  And, okay, so after that, is there anything else about this car that you absolutely love? Guys, taking a break from the action because support is coming in fast like Jim Farley, the CEO of Ford, who's now got a podcast. And you're always asking me what I'm listening to when not recording this show. And right now, it's this, the new season of Drive with Jim Farley. In it, the Ford CEO talks to some of his favorite people about what they're driving and what drives them to succeed, like Formula One driver Daniel Ricciardo. Listen, there's a well-worn trope about racing drivers not being interesting to listen to. But if there is one that is interesting to listen to, it is Daniel Ricciardo. I think

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• 25:26Speaker 01

  I mean, transmission's pretty good. It seems like the same as the other ones. You know, it's 8-speed, fine.

• 25:32Matt Farah?

  The transmission to me gets the job done, but not in a way that excites me.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Very true. And that's true of any good ZF 8-speed. They've gotten it to a point where I feel like if you're braking really hard into a corner, you're not using the engine to decel anyway. And the transmission will meet you when it's time to roll back onto throttle. But sometimes the downshifts are just like slower than I want them to be. Whereas a DCT is like, you know, snap, a snap, a snap, and it's right there.

• 26:01Matt Farah?

  Counterpoint, the Vantage S we just had was as close as I can imagine it getting. It's not a DCT, but it's like a real, it's real good. It's real snappy. But gearbox, not inspiring. And then I sort of...

• 26:20Matt Farah?

  I couldn't get, now maybe I suck at driving, possible. And you had, you had go on the track as well as on the street.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 26:28Matt Farah?

  Let me just start with the street. I thought on, on the crest, this thing fucking ripped.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:34Matt Farah?

  I thought it was great. I left the stability control shit on. I put the, I left the shocks in comfort and let, put the powertrain in kill. And I thought it was a great, great canyon car. I still hate the seats. I'm always gonna hate these seats. But at least in this car, it was the last car I drove with these seats. I can't remember if it was the M3 or the M8. But, the last car I drove with these fucking seats, the seats didn't quite face straight at the pedals. And so I had to like, offset my feet to the right, which this, this bucket thing then left like a bruise on my thigh. So at least the pedals were right in front. But getting in and out of this thing was brutal.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's annoying.

• 27:16Matt Farah?

  Tough.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  I, once you're there, look, it's the CS, so.

• 27:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  I mean, in, in the canyons, like, it holds you in place and then your arms are just free to do what they want. Like, my car or other cars we've driven, we have that, the F80 we rented for that video, like, you have to hold yourself in place a little bit. So this is a race bucket, but getting this, these seats in a car that's not going to be tracked.

• 27:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, going to the grocery store is brutal.

• 27:40Speaker 01

  It's really, really silly.

• 27:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The seats, like, you, you know, I, I don't know if you can get this car without those seats, but that would be really delightful. If you, if you, BMW, like, whatever their special wishes program is, does it, that would be kick ass. So, don't love the seats, but okay.

• 27:58Matt Farah?

  I, and the canyons absolutely love this car, but I can't, other than the dampers and the ceramic brakes, I can't really say that, that it was, you know, $30,000 better than an M2. And in fact, If you, if you throw in the fact that the regular one comes in a manual, to me, that may make it the better street car.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:24Matt Farah?

  Especially if we're talking about money being real and we don't, we're not playing car journalist fantasy camp.

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Thirty thousand dollars is a lot of real money and it's, and it's 50% higher than the regular one, nearly, right?

• 28:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  So, you know, we drove that light blue manual car that was when it launched, like we did a video on that and go watch it. And for that money, that is a very good, very capable, fast car, takes over where the M3 has kind of abandoned because it's a four door now. There wasn't a ton I didn't like about that, that wasn't just subjective aesthetics. Like even the screen, it's annoying. There's all these icons, all that stuff.

• 29:02Matt Farah?

  That shit is some Windows 95 ass fucking screen. That's brutal.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  It's, it's, I mean Hyundai takes the cake on difficulty in adjusting things, but.

• 29:13Matt Farah?

  Different. So Hyundai has menus within menus and menus that lead back to menus and like the maze of menus is Hyundai's problem. This shit is just an endless grid of same looking icons.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Very true. Yeah. There's no like color coordination. Think of what you like about CarPlay when you go, oh, look, all the app icons are different because that's how apps work, not this. This is just a bunch of blue folders that all look the same.

• 29:38Matt Farah?

  This might as well be taxes, 2024 PDF, you know, dad's, dad's of whatever resume PDF, Brian's homework PDF, and it's just white fucking boxes of bleh.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  That's very, very true.

• 29:52Matt Farah?

  It's like that.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  And maybe now I didn't mess with this car long enough. Maybe there's a way to do like shortcuts and things like your most frequented folders. I'm sure there is. But, but that aside, regular M2 is a very good capable car.

• 30:04Matt Farah?

  With the CS and the regular two, it's the same.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  So this 30 grand more, I mean, yes, you get, you get a quote M3 engine, but. I mean, some of the value people put on that is like the mystique of it and it's a real M-engine. The regular engine is so strong anyway, like, I kinda don't care.

• 30:22Matt Farah?

  Spins the tires through third gear.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  It makes tons of power, you can mod it to tons of power, the manual is fine. The big thing was, after we drove this on the track, I was like, I don't know what you really get for the money. And in fact, let's talk about the handling.

• 30:34Matt Farah?

  This is the first time you even say track. So we also, we actually, you know, take advantage of the corporate Willow Springs membership here. Took it to the track, had a lovely day. Fucking Willow to yourself.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  This is wild.

• 30:47Matt Farah?

  This is the tits, as it were. And they've got candy in there, it's crazy. And we spent a day at the track with this car. And it, I don't know, I mean, I just raced one of these things, like a BMW, like, that's shaped kinda like this for hours. And we did pretty good, like, I like to think that I'm capable of driving this car in a decent way. I, every corner, really, when I started to push this car, and started to go quick, it pushed all the way to the apex of every corner.

• 31:27Matt Farah?

  And then as soon as I started to get back on the gas, just switched from push to like, snap oversteer. And if you like, left the traction control fully on, it wouldn't do that. But if you turn the traction control off, like, that was like its natural tendency. When I had the M2 Performance Car of the Year, if you turn the traction control off, when you stood on the brakes and turned into the corner, it would rotate the back out under braking. This car doesn't do that. Now, that could be because it has Cup 2s and the suspension setup just gives you that much more grip, that its natural intent is not to slide. But instead, its natural intent is to push a little bit,

• 32:10Matt Farah?

  which, once, you know, uh, once you start to feed in throttle coming out of the corner, it doesn't, it then takes very little throttle to overwhelm the rear tires and transition from a push to a big snap, which I did over and over and over in the video. And again, if you leave the traction control on, okay, that's fine. I'm not, I'm not anti traction control, if you want traction controlled. But it's, if you leave it on and you tried the multi-stage, there was level four, level five, where there was a pretty big drop off

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:46Matt Farah?

  in, in stability. And, and I thought even all the way down to like two, or I forget is, is high, whatever the second-

• 32:55Speaker 01

  It was from zero to 10 and like, one, either zero or 10 was off, I forget. And I kind of explored three or four of them.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The, even the last one was like pulling more power than I wanted. And so, I don't know. I never found a balanced way through a corner. I never found a way to really initiate a, a slide on entry. It took me two, it, it took, considering I shot the fucking Valhalla video like three days before I shot the BMW video. You'd think like, same guy.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Well, MC20, we were there the week before.

• 33:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  And you did really nice slides on the same tires, right? There were Pilot Sport Cup 2s on that car. Obviously mid-engine versus front engine, but for the most, for most people, a front engine car is the easier one to slide.

• 33:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, front engine, rear drive, 500 horsepower car.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Do Pilot Sport Cup 2s, because I have not, I don't have that much experience on them, do they normally snap? Like, you know, PS4s are known for being really progressive, as are a lot of other like, street sport tires.

• 33:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  But once you get up to like, cup race tire.

• 33:58Matt Farah?

  They're not, it's snappy. But, but still, it shouldn't push like that at the front and then transition to snap. It's weird.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  And I agree. I mean, I went out there and it just, I mean, the steering's numb. That's a BMW problem, has been for a long time. Steering wheel's too thick, don't know why. But that, that means you don't get dialogue with the front tires. So you're coming into the corner and you have to like, listen, or it's really hard to notice that you've lost the front a little bit. And then, yeah, you start to just lean on the throttle and it's, you feel it lean, lean, lean, and then just kicks out. It's very weird.

• 34:32Matt Farah?

  I just remembered, I'll tell you, what compounded this was that in the six-speed, with the B58, the regular M2 is B58, right? Yeah, with the six-speed with that engine, the torque curve and the gearing are matched really nicely. Same as the manual transmission super, actually.

• 34:51Matt Farah?

  Whereas now you have with the eight-speed auto, if you want to do slides, second gear is too short and third gear is too long. And so I found myself like in between these gears a lot in terms of pace. There's kind of a big gap there, not in terms of like the gear ratio, just in terms of whether going through these sort of these corners, whether you're like in or out of boost. It's like a pretty sharp spike of boost in this particular engine.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, sorry. The engine in the Regal M2 is the S58.

• 35:29Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. And what is in this one?

• 35:31Speaker 01

  It's an evolution of the B58. Uh, the code in this.

• 35:34Matt Farah?

  Sorry.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  That's okay.

• 35:35Matt Farah?

  I don't know my BMW engine codes. That makes me, uh, not credible in this scenario.

• 35:44Matt Farah?

  Same?

• 35:46Matt Farah?

  When Zach does this thing with his eyes.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  I tilt my head and scowl in a normal one's S58.

• 35:52Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 35:53Matt Farah?

  So, so anyway, it's if you are a huge BMW nerd,

• 36:00Matt Farah?

  I totally get wanting to have this thing, especially if your spine can handle the seats. And the dampers are fucking awesome. They really are. Like the tuning of the shocks is great. The tuning of the brakes is really good. And we had a, you know, it was a very hot day, high 90s, I think we was out there at Willow. It wasn't super hot.

• 36:21Speaker 01

  Really hot.

• 36:22Matt Farah?

  And the car behaved itself just fine, although after a while you could smell it dumping fuel into the cylinder head to like cool itself.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Yes, you could.

• 36:31Matt Farah?

  But it did behave. It didn't. It had absolutely no issues ripping around a very hot racetrack. We do have a video. It is, it will be coming out soon.

• 36:42Matt Farah?

  And I didn't like, I didn't not like it. I just like, for the extra money, I thought it would be a little more, a lot more fun on the track than the regular M2, and I don't think it was. In fact, I think it maybe was a little less fun, which is a kind of a bummer.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would be interesting to see what the lap time would be between the two of them on a track that doesn't reward huge power, because 50 horsepower is a lot. So like, on streets, you probably make up some time on the straightaways. But if it was just a pure like handling track, I wonder what the difference would be with these sophisticated dampers and, and mostly if you turn traction off on both of them, you know, which one's actually easier to manage? And would that ease result in a quicker lap time? Or is the grip level like really similar other than the tires? I don't know. I was kind of, I was shocked and disappointed because I thought this was the one. And with the old M2CS, that was the one because it had the adaptive dampers. But now-

• 37:37Matt Farah?

  But you could also get it in manual.

• 37:38Speaker 01

  You could get it in manual also, but like-

• 37:40Matt Farah?

  You could get a CS in a manual last gen, and it was so pretty. Remember how pretty it was?

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Blue and gold? Oh, all day. All day.

• 37:46Matt Farah?

  Blue and white gold. It was fire.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  That was also 100 grand, wasn't it?

• 37:50Matt Farah?

  92, 93 with ceramics. Yeah. Yeah. That was the first one to crack 90.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:57Matt Farah?

  God damn, that thing is fucking pretty, though.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Holding value well, I think.

• 38:00Matt Farah?

  For sure, with a stick. Of course it is. Of course it is. It would be criminal for a car like that to not hold value. That was a no brainer. I said in the fucking video, we drove that thing. I went, this is a, this is an extremely obvious buy and hold.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Sure, because it looks good and it's fast and it has all the pieces.

• 38:17Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  Because the new M2 comes with the, the regular one, you can get a manual, you can get it with adaptive dampers.

• 38:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:23Speaker 01

  But it doesn't have, it doesn't have the styling of the old one.

• 38:27Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  And yeah.

• 38:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So that's the, that's the M2CS. I spent today, what I spent today doing?

• 38:37Matt Farah?

  I spent the day doing a lap around Los Angeles to visit my cars. I didn't, I didn't post any, any photos yet. They're actually, they're, they're-

• 38:50Matt Farah?

  I'm waiting to, I've been doing a little content strategy. No, I'm not. But I went to visit the Countach at Franco's European Sports Cars. Damian was there and the boys. And the good news is, yeah, I have, the good news is I have a, an assembled rear suspension minus a damper. My, excuse me, a dampers. Because the Countach, if you recall, has six shock absorbers. Double rears. Double rears and then one in the front. And those six shock absorbers took a little of Vaca Zones to South Florida to be rebuilt.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 39:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Fortunately, they were present. They weren't lost, which is good because they could be a bitch to fucking replace. But they definitely were shot. And so they've gone to be rebuilt. They'll be back in a couple of weeks.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Not the first old Italian to go there to get some work done.

• 39:53Matt Farah?

  And in this photo, you can see the rear hub, which was, has been refinished and rebuilt. So all re-greased, good to know. And so they're doing the front hubs. And Damian's tool, the thing that he uses to remove the bearing from inside the hub, it's a very specific tool. He says the tool is, quote, "older than he is." It's, "My hub sheared it." So he has to have another tool made. So we're a little bit stalled. Yeah, you can see, this is the rear, but if you're looking at the photo, you can see in the center, in the inside there, that little bit, there's a, there's a tool that removes those. So.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  And your Lambo thing broke it.

• 40:40Matt Farah?

  Well, we have three out of four are good to go, but we're on a holding pattern for the fourth. So hopefully, the tool comes back around the same time the shocks do.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 40:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. So the good news is.

• 40:53Matt Farah?

  My bill was much, much smaller this month.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 40:57Matt Farah?

  That's good.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  These end links look so nice. Dude, these are such, this color, it's like a bronze-ish color on these end links, it's rad.

• 41:04Matt Farah?

  Every bit of that is brand new. All of those hardware, all that shit is brand new. It's just the, the hub is the only thing that's, that's left from before.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 41:13Matt Farah?

  So that's cool.

• 41:14Speaker 01

  Very, very cool.

• 41:14Matt Farah?

  We have some things, there are, there are in fact-

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Look at the frame, the subframe of this car though, it's just tubes. I mean, it's just, which is cool, it's race car shit.

• 41:23Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  It's just so different from today's, you know, supercars, e-carbon or, you know, pressed aluminum, and this is just, just tubes.

• 41:29Matt Farah?

  It's just tubes, hand welded.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  Looks like a crane.

• 41:31Matt Farah?

  With speed holes in like the fucking weird plates, yeah, it's great.

• 41:37Matt Farah?

  So then I went to go see Mr. Shant over at CMS Motorsports to talk about our powertrain plans, but also to get a look at, this, this photo is from the other day, but now all the fenders are on the car and they've been blended.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 41:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So, um, this dude is hand, they're hand making the steel fenders.

• 42:04Speaker 01

  So they do like English wheel style or whatever?

• 42:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, it's, I don't think it's necessarily wheel. They have, they bought an E500 donor car and they're, they took a mold off of the, the car. I mean, not even like a mold, they, they literally, he molded this one off of that car. So it's like, it's just molded off of an E500. Um, I don't think he has to English wheel it.

• 42:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:32Matt Farah?

  It's just because it's a relatively small part, but he was hand, like he was tacking it and fucking blending it in, so it's gonna look exactly like an E500, like, it's pretty, it's pretty sick.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Super cool.

• 42:43Matt Farah?

  So, um, I ordered the fabric. Dude, it went on sale.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Hey, that's good.

• 42:49Matt Farah?

  The fabric I wanted went on sale in between when I was looking in now.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  How did that happen?

• 42:52Matt Farah?

  I don't know, but it's half price, lucky me. I mean, it wasn't like that expensive anyway.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:58Matt Farah?

  But it went from sixty-two dollars a yard to like twenty-six.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 43:03Matt Farah?

  Fucking score.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:04Matt Farah?

  So I got myself six yards. I think I should only need like four, but.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I I bought way, I bought ten yards for my car and I have five yards left over.

• 43:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  It's too much.

• 43:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do six.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:16Matt Farah?

  Should be enough. Um, cuz I'm just doing front seats, back seats, and door cards.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  Uh, okay, yeah. Six should be just right on.

• 43:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:27Matt Farah?

  Just, yeah, for just inserts.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  And you can always, where's it from? Where'd they send it from?

• 43:31Matt Farah?

  It's from Modern Fabrics. It's from the same place I got the Fox body from.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  So it's easy to get more, is what I'm saying. It's not.

• 43:36Matt Farah?

  I could get more. No, I could get more. I don't know what country it's in, but I could get more. I don't know where it's coming from. But, but I, I could get more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

• 43:44Speaker 01

  This is gonna look rad. I can't believe it's happening so quickly.

• 43:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, and, uh, the powertrain, we're, we, we bought a, a two thousand and two E fifty-five donor car for six thousand dollars.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Just, it looks fucked up, but the engine works.

• 44:03Matt Farah?

  Crashed, yeah.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Great.

• 44:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, cool. Use all parts of the buffalo. Dude, that's rad.

• 44:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, so it's gonna be, it's gonna be really interesting.

• 44:12Speaker 01

  Top-down glug, glug.

• 44:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, uh, I think, what did Sean say? Super Sprint makes the exhaust? He has an E, he has an actual E five hundred with a Super Sprint exhaust on it. It's not nice. And we were originally talking about getting those crazy Recaro seats with like all the buttons and shit. They are so expensive.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Twenty?

• 44:35Matt Farah?

  Twenty Gs? No, no, no, no. But they're like, but they're like thirty-five hundred a side.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Okay, so you end up with, yeah, that's a lot.

• 44:43Matt Farah?

  That's a lot. Yeah, no, no, that's a no. But, but there's a seat rebuild kit from Mercedes that.

• 44:55Matt Farah?

  Uh, Sean says, we should, I should, we should just get him on the show.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 44:59Matt Farah?

  Next week, but he says, basically, they can turn my old tired seats with the rebuild kit and new into factory looking and feeling new E500 seats using the same frames.

• 45:13Speaker 01

  Hmm, alright.

• 45:14Matt Farah?

  So like he, and I sat and hit, cause I was like, look, my back, the reason I can't drive old cars without putting brand new seats in them is that my back is fucked up, you could do this, so. He goes, okay, go sit in, in my wife's car, whatever it was, and I was like, oh. This is, this is good, it has like thigh bolstering and like, and like all this, and I was like, can you, you can make this out of my seats? And he's like, yeah, for, and it's cheaper than getting the other seats.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Rad, perfect.

• 45:40Matt Farah?

  Great.

• 45:40Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 45:41Matt Farah?

  Great.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 45:42Matt Farah?

  So, we have to choose, uh, exactly what we're gonna do, the dash inserts, cause we're pulling out the wood grain.

• 45:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:49Matt Farah?

  No go. We're also doing a full chrome delete.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  I wonder if you can get some sort of mother of pearl panel, it would be fake, probably.

• 46:00Matt Farah?

  Fake, and it would be trashy.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Maybe, but if it looks pretty good.

• 46:05Matt Farah?

  That would get into like Japanese VIP.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 46:09Matt Farah?

  That could be cool, but it would be fake though.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:14Matt Farah?

  Is the problem. We were just gonna do aluminum, we just thought, just keep that, cause there's already crazy pattern.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 46:22Matt Farah?

  Like in the seats.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  That's true, you don't wanna clash patterns.

• 46:24Matt Farah?

  You don't need to go cra- you don't need to go nuts on the pattern, and so, we're just gonna do, just the aluminum, the br- like the, the brushed one. Which I think will work.

• 46:34Speaker 01

  It'll work, especially if your wheels are aluminum.

• 46:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the wheels, we're gonna do silver, you know, but like, I want like, like, it's got, I want it to look like bright. Like liquid, like liqu- you know what I mean, like icy fucking bright, but not, not chrome, you know what I mean though?

• 46:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:54Matt Farah?

  Where they put that clear on it, where it gets that real.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Apex does that, they have like, they have a brushed silver, and then they have whatever the other one's called, where it's got a thick layer of clear coat on it, and it's incredibly bright and shiny. Without being chromed reflective.

• 47:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because the, because the wheels.

• 47:11Matt Farah?

  There's 17s, 17 and 18s. We're not even, we're not even doing it. We're using the exact size of a factory E500 wheel, like just like Mercedes would. It looks like a monoblock, the HRE, but we gotta do it in 17s to make it like look right. So because it's small, you know, you want to do it in a, in a bright color so it looks bigger.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 47:37Matt Farah?

  Especially with the red. Red with like bright clear coat silver is sick. That looks hot.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, this is rad.

• 47:44Matt Farah?

  Be really fun. It's gonna be the coolest fucking cruiser.

• 47:51Matt Farah?

  But we're gonna do the OE E500 suspension, which if you were getting a replacement kit today for like a factory car, it's an H&R spring and a Bilstein damper. That's just the OE replacement. So it's gonna sit at the stock E500 height and apparently the brakes that you want to get are the ones just off the, off the R129SL like I had. They're effectively just as good, but like they're way cheaper. So those are just available. We can just get those for fucking nothing.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 48:26Matt Farah?

  And then the rest of it, the complete powertrain comes out of the E55, the gearbox, the rear end, all of it. So they just.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  They just make it fit.

• 48:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they rebuild it and clean it up and, and make it fit, but it's gonna be a 5-speed automatic and you know, we, but the M113 engine that is the E55 engine is like smaller physically. So it was like, you know, either you'd have to fucking knock back the firewall and shit to put an actual E500 engine in there. And that's a worse engine than the E55 engine. Like you might as well just use the fucking E55.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. The firewall work is, that was significant too. That's serious work.

• 49:08Matt Farah?

  And rather than trying to figure out how to make the pedals and, and the throttle by wire work, you just take the pedal box from the E55. You just use the complete pedal box. Apparently you just have to make like a bracket and then it just works. So.

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Cool. Do they give you a timeline? Is there an estimate now?

• 49:26Matt Farah?

  Well, he wants to bring this car to fucking car week. He said that.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:30Matt Farah?

  I don't give a shit.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  So, four months.

• 49:33Matt Farah?

  He said that, so... But he said the bodywork will be done by the middle of next week.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 49:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  I mean, they're on it.

• 49:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  This isn't like, we're doing yours for a little bit, and then we're doing this other car and this other car.

• 49:44Matt Farah?

  No, he's on it. So, I don't have any photos to share just right yet, but the other debate is...

• 49:53Matt Farah?

  The 80's Benzos, like the pre-merger shit, the, you know, the wide-body stuff. They did a body color grille. Instead of like shiny grille. My car, we have to replace the grille because it's fucked up.

• 50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, but your car's red.

• 50:10Matt Farah?

  My car's red.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:12Matt Farah?

  I don't think a body color grille works at all on my car.

• 50:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, because those cars were gray, right? The ones you're talking about.

• 50:18Matt Farah?

  Well, there are some that were red that, in the 80's, it's different. And the SEC grille, the wider grille, some of those work in red, but like, like, what about that? Is that, is there a red one? Do you see any reds?

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Not yet. These are silver, gray. These are all like dark gray hammers. We're looking at it for people listening.

• 50:40Matt Farah?

  Did you Google red? Yeah, add the search term red.

• 50:46Matt Farah?

  So, okay, now what do we think?

• 50:52Matt Farah?

  I think some, I don't think it's terrible.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  It's better than I expected, but I would still want to see it with at least, like, if the sats were black.

• 51:01Matt Farah?

  Is that like red and black, really?

• 51:02Speaker 01

  No, I mean, every, no, the black here in the center is where the actual radiator fins are, I think.

• 51:07Matt Farah?

  What about, what about the...

• 51:09Speaker 01

  This is bad. That's so bad.

• 51:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's what mine would look like. That's not good.

• 51:14Speaker 01

  That's not good.

• 51:15Matt Farah?

  No, we can't do that at all.

• 51:16Speaker 01

  If you have...

• 51:18Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 51:19Matt Farah?

  That's an 83 different shaped grill and that and one might even say that that's too much.

• 51:26Matt Farah?

  That's I don't think that's great.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  I don't, yeah.

• 51:29Matt Farah?

  Is there one? Is there one with a silver grill? Let's see.

• 51:34Matt Farah?

  There, just look, how about that one? The five, the 300 CE, yeah, look at that. So I think that's better. That's just the stock silver grill.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  There's also different headlights. I mean, there's a different year. I, I think. Hmm. I kinda don't hate. Like if the grill surround was red, but then everything inside was black, I might like it better. Cause it is kind of a smooth shape.

• 51:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's kind of interesting.

• 51:59Speaker 01

  This silver stands out and I don't like that it kinda goes back up the hood a bit.

• 52:03Matt Farah?

  Uh huh.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  And it's so bright. Um, so this might be too much.

• 52:07Matt Farah?

  What is that? Three, the 300 CE, yeah, the one there, 300 CE 3.2, what is that? So that's red surround, silver slats.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  Inserts, we'll call, yeah, slats.

• 52:16Matt Farah?

  Huh. Huh. Tough. I don't know.

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Need to Photoshop.

• 52:20Matt Farah?

  Red surround with black. Could actually work. Is that like? Like that? Is that red, black?

• 52:27Speaker 01

  That's kinda red, silver, red, gray.

• 52:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The red surround, I think, is a starting point, isn't it?

• 52:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not as bad as I thought. Like this is body color, right?

• 52:39Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's just green. That's sort of silver gray. Hmm. Very interesting. I'm gonna have to do some more homework on this one.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  You know, I guess, I think in the eighties and granted, like you're making a car that, oh, here you go.

• 52:49Matt Farah?

  That's, so that's different though, cause it's the wider grill.

• 52:51Speaker 01

  It is, but it is red and black.

• 52:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  Just, just to look at how that would.

• 52:55Matt Farah?

  I think that works, doesn't it?

• 52:56Speaker 01

  I think it's better. I think it's a great. Compromise. I think the all red is very like, it's gonna be awesome. No, everyone's gonna know what I am when I roll up. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? It's a lot of that. Cause you gotta stand out from your, your, your boss who also works at the firm. But you're not coming in like that, you know?

• 53:13Matt Farah?

  Uh, it's like, fuck it. Oh, go, go, so go up a little bit to that blue one. See that? So that is, if you imagine that as a convertible. That's, that's pretty much how my car's gonna look.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  I mean, the fender flares are great.

• 53:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's my car as a convertible, more or less.

• 53:34Speaker 01

  And, let's try to find a shot of the grill.

• 53:38Matt Farah?

  This is blue.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  This is a terrible website.

• 53:40Matt Farah?

  Blue, blue. It's broad arrow.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  You probably, you go up to go down.

• 53:45Matt Farah?

  It is clunky. Oh yeah, those are the seats I'm not getting.

• 53:49Matt Farah?

  So that's blue surround with a stock insert.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, the stock insert looks faded. I think, I think you might get away with red surround with black insert.

• 53:58Matt Farah?

  Red, black. Wow.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  I never would have thunk it when we started.

• 54:02Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't have either, but I'm on board now. But let me, look how, by the way, sold price, $885,000.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 54:09Matt Farah?

  It's a 6 liter, that's why. Cause it's an actual Hammer coupe. But that's, in terms of the bodywork and shit, like that's, picture that in red, and that's exactly what my car will, will look like, pretty much.

• 54:21Speaker 01

  I'm looking for, there we go. I wanna see how far this hood kinda, or sorry, the grill draws up the hood.

• 54:26Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  This seems like it less, the one we looked at that was red, it's like this huge wave of silver was crashing up the red hood. So maybe yours is smaller like this?

• 54:35Matt Farah?

  Mine is, what year is this one? What year is this car?

• 54:39Speaker 01

  81, 91.

• 54:40Matt Farah?

  91? Mine's a post facelift, mine's a 94. So I don't, I don't know, but I think the red surround, black insert could be where it's at.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 54:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Good times.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  Fun.

• 54:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I think that'll be a really neat cruiser, you know?

• 55:00Matt Farah?

  Fucking hell. Is that it? That's it. We're giving away a Porsche, people. Did you know that? You probably heard me say it in a sting I recorded earlier today at the beginning of the show, but we are. You can go to the link in our bio to, to get entered, to win. You can read all the rules and regulations, please do. You can enter from other countries besides the US. Not every country, but there are some countries, I think including Canada, that you can enter. It ends August 20th. There is a charitable component to it, which does make your tickets tax deductible. Just saying. Just saying. And, yeah, Ed, go, use the link in our bio, use the link in the show notes, and you can, you can win.

• 55:45Matt Farah?

  Would like to take it to the people, to the patrons. What do you say, Klapman?

• 55:49Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 55:50Matt Farah?

  Let's do it.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  Give the power to the people.

• 55:51Matt Farah?

  Can you talk about what they get? I think I might pour myself a Japanese whiskey. Would you like one? It's an evening show.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  No, I'm good.

• 56:00Matt Farah?

  Did you go into the gym already today?

• 56:01Speaker 01

  I did already, but I had wine last night and that's enough alcohol for me for... Dude, I just don't drink that much anymore. My brain does not like it.

• 56:08Matt Farah?

  Uh, okay, mine does.

• 56:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wish I was who I was five years ago.

• 56:13Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  I just enjoy it more. If you are not a Patreon member, what you get are things that our crowd asked for vehemently, constantly, bugged us all the time before we had a Patreon. They wanted the show early. They wanted the show without ads. They wanted to be able to post questions, and we were getting too many of them. So if you go to patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast, you can join our amazing friendly community of patrons. Tears start at just three bucks. You can watch the show live there. You can get an ad-free show. You can get an early show. And pro and champ tiers get one extra show a month that the public will never, ever hear.

• 56:49Matt Farah?

  Never?

• 56:50Speaker 01

  Never.

• 56:50Matt Farah?

  They'll never hear.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  Top secret.

• 56:52Matt Farah?

  That's where I spill the goods.

• 56:54Speaker 01

  It's that in the Epstein files.

• 56:55Matt Farah?

  That's where I talk about the people I know in the Epstein files. What's that?

• 57:03Matt Farah?

  All right, we'll go to the fucking people. Let's do it. Now that I have my Japanese whiskey, I am ready.

• 57:10Matt Farah?

  Mmm.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Smells good.

• 57:13Matt Farah?

  Dude, we're like halfway through the rum.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Really?

• 57:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  Yours?

• 57:17Matt Farah?

  I've been... I mean, I'm not sipping it by myself. We've been... People... I hosted... I cooked four meals for people this weekend.

• 57:23Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 57:24Matt Farah?

  And I hosted, and I'm telling everybody, we're going through it.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  You know what we need to do? Buy a couple cases. Keep telling everybody, like the Dino guy, pump the market.

• 57:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Flip.

• 57:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah, for sure. Ferrari Lucidora says, um, Kenan from Cars and Bids sold his SL65 to a buyer in Dallas. Uh, it seems like the right place for it. High speeds and no curves. I gotta say, every time I've been to Dallas, all I've done is sit in traffic, but you do you. Uh, if you sold each of your cars, what's the perfect landing spot? Oh, boy. Well, that's a lot of, that's a lot of cars and a lot of landing spots, so I'll pick a couple. Uh, if I sold my Lamborghini Countach, I would like it to stay in Los Angeles. It's a Hollywood car.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:11Matt Farah?

  It's got the Cindy Crawford, Pepsi, it's been in commercials and shit. It's been in Hollywood for a long time. I'd like it to stay in LA. Remember I sold the DeLorean and went to Germany? And the guy was like driving it around with all like on the, on the California tags in Germany and apparently getting huge cred for that.

• 58:29Speaker 01

  That's pretty cool.

• 58:29Matt Farah?

  It's dope.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:30Matt Farah?

  Where would you like your M3 to go if you sold it to somebody?

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Oh. Uh. Oregon? Good roads. No rust. Um, I don't know. It's green. A lot of forest up there, maybe that would work.

• 58:49Matt Farah?

  Uh, if I sold the Delica, I think it should go to Nantucket. I think it would be a good, a great Nantucket vehicle.

• 59:01Speaker 01

  Doug would probably, you know, point at it and you could park it next to his convertible G-Wagon thing.

• 59:06Matt Farah?

  Nantucket is all about weird vintage SUVs. That's like, that's, that's the move there. So I would, I think that would be good. Um, I think the Pal would be really fun in Monaco.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Oh, of course.

• 59:21Matt Farah?

  You know, cause it's almost like a Fiat Jolly, but I bet you in Monaco, they see more Fiat Jollies than they do fucking Pows. I bet you the Pal would be proper exotic in Monaco.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it would work there. That's the biggest thing. It would work and it's an exotic, practical exotic.

• 59:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Manx would also work in Monaco.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  It would.

• 59:40Matt Farah?

  That would be a fucking vibe.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Park in front of a casino would be very cool.

• 59:43Matt Farah?

  Wow. I mean, you. You do not want to drive around Monaco during Grand Prix weekend, but like, that would be a baller ass move to bring your Manx to Monaco for Grand Prix weekend.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  And just leave it on your yacht so people can look at it.

• 59:58Matt Farah?

  My buddy's in Monaco right now. Uh, oh, that is not doing anything. Uh, Chach, my bachelor party, shout out to Chach.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Oh, he's there?

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  He's there. He's in Monaco right now. For his buddy is having, uh, I forget what he was calling it, but it's effectively, it's the, it's the, the mirror of a bachelor party, which was a divorce party. It's a divorce party.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  Somehow I knew, somehow the way you looked at me, I was like. Yeah, this is a divorce party.

• 1:00:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  Of all the places to go.

• 1:00:26Matt Farah?

  So, so my, my homie from high school, he's over there and he's sending me, you know, photos of cars. He's not, he's not sending me photos of hookers. He's sending me photos of cars.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:34Matt Farah?

  Um, but, uh, he's like, you know, there's like a, there's like a T-50 parked in front of this and a Veyron and this and that. And, and I'm like, I'm kind of like yawned. And, uh, and then finally he sends me a picture of a street parked Lancia Stratos. And I'm like, now we're talking.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:50Matt Farah?

  Now, that's the Monaco I know and love.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  T-50 is pretty cool too.

• 1:00:54Matt Farah?

  No, a T-50 is.

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  That shows some taste.

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, of course it does. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But like, of course there's a T-50 in Monaco. There's probably 12 T-50s in Monaco.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:01:03Matt Farah?

  But, uh, yeah, the Manx would be good in Monaco as well. I bet they haven't seen shit like that. I had, um, you know, I had over was one of the people I cooked for this weekend was Max from, uh, from, uh, from Manx, Max from Manx, but Max is from, uh, Bespoke, who makes the radial engine. And he was with them before Manx acquired the company. So he's been there for a while. And they're doing like a bunch of other stuff. Like I sort of thought that once Manx acquired the company, that it was just all about engines for, for cars, but other, still they're doing a bunch of shit. They're doing like, I don't want to accidentally speak out of turn and talk about something that I'm not supposed to.

• 1:01:42Matt Farah?

  But like, they've got a lot of other things they're doing with radial engines, which are very fucking cool, actually. Aviation, aviation stuff and military stuff and all kinds of interesting things. Like, I'm not trying to like tease and then not say, but like, I just, I heard, I was listening to the story he was telling about how, what the company was like, you know, before they got involved with Manx and like sort of how they've pivoted a little bit, but also how they've gotten some other interesting contracts and commission, because it is, it's literally a company for building weird engines. And so, like, do you want to build,

• 1:02:23Matt Farah?

  you know, a, a, a flat 12 out of three Subaru four cylinder engines, like, and that kind of thing. Like, Rob Dom would love these fucking people. Wow, cool. Yeah, so, so they're, they're doing weird engines and for a variety of applications, which is pretty fucking cool. Wheat City Night Court says, "It's a trope with car guys to eventually get old enough that realize dailying a finicky car is untenable, and then they get a daily. Does the same happen in the watch world? Do guys settle down with a nice quartz or two as regular wear watches?" Well, what, people have their own, like, really interesting habits for watches. Like, I

• 1:03:07Matt Farah?

  don't, unless you're talking about, about stuff that's like either like so artistic and weird and fashionabla that you're like, you couldn't pot, like, you can't wear MB and F, like, just if, to your day job. You'd look like a weirdo, you know, if you, unless you're Pharrell. Like, you can't just wear something like that around, like, $150,000 watch. Outside of shit like that, I don't know. I, me and my friends are not, are not necessarily afraid of wearing our medium to high-end watches every day. That's like, that's an okay thing for the folks that I fuck with. And so, we don't really have like a daily.

• 1:03:51Matt Farah?

  At least, that's like my people. I know a lot of people. Zach. Zach has a daily. You're the fucking G-Shock. Is the daily and you wear something nicer for nicer occasions.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 1:04:00Matt Farah?

  Which is fine.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  I just like that it's super light and I don't have to worry about it and I also really like wearing it. Like I look at it and go, just comics. I really like it. So it's kind of both. But I wore my, my black watch yesterday. Wore that on, the Rolex.

• 1:04:15Matt Farah?

  Good. Yeah, good. I mean, I just, it's, and I'm not, it's not about like being like afraid or whatever. Like it's, it's not for every occasion, but um, I, I do try to match my watch to my company. If I'm hanging out with certain people, like, cause it does project an image.

• 1:04:34Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:04:35Matt Farah?

  One way or the other.

• 1:04:36Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:04:36Matt Farah?

  So, um, you know, it, it depends on your personal vibe though. I don't think it's, I, I think it's just like how you're feeling. You know, even if you have nice watches and if you're like your boss, like, you know, maybe you don't want to wear a watch. It's like nicer than your boss.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:52Matt Farah?

  But like, maybe if you have like pretty dope watches, like maybe you and your boss like bond over that. Like I could, I could see that going both ways.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. If you don't overstep or outshine him or them.

• 1:05:04Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  But it shows, especially if you wear something that's like a little bit, uh, off the beaten path and it shows that you're into the hobby. And that's how you guys can.

• 1:05:12Matt Farah?

  That's when you get down with the micro brands, the Lecturer's watches and all the weird stuff. Yeah. Obviously you are not a golfer.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  That's a good one.

• 1:05:21Matt Farah?

  Fucking fabulous. Um, okay. I'm looking for a less than five-year-old car for long road trips and parking in LA. But I really care about a quiet cabin. I basically want a Lexus LS the size of an A3. But even the luxury brands.

• 1:05:45Matt Farah?

  seem to have a lot of road noise at 80 miles an hour for their smaller offerings. Current frontrunners are a Macan and a Genesis G70. Anything smaller or quieter in your experience? Now, that's very interesting.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  Very specific.

• 1:05:58Matt Farah?

  It is very specific. Also, you can quiet your car down.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:06:03Matt Farah?

  You can take virtually any car and have a custom shop add dynamat. Like in places that will actually make your car no longer be quieter.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Very true. You also can change the tires and make your car quieter. Cause a lot of these cars, it may be the tires that they're sold with. If you look at the reviews and the decibel level is whatever, some of that could be tire noise. A lot of, a lot of the noise that comes into cars is either like the wind buffet or wind noise from its drag and wheel well sounds. So that's some things you can address.

• 1:06:36Matt Farah?

  So let me think. Volvo XC40 could be a good one.

• 1:06:45Speaker 01

  That wasn't bad.

• 1:06:46Matt Farah?

  That wasn't bad.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  Drove that around, that was pretty good. I think that was quieter than the RAV4.

• 1:06:52Matt Farah?

  Hmm, small.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  I mean, my recommendation, cause I don't, I just don't stay up on kind of the normal commuter cars and the decibel levels. I would go look at a Car and Driver or similar magazines, like they do 10 best, Car and Driver specifically does a lot of like, here are 10 commuters and we're testing all of them. And they do a lot of data and they will have all of the decibel readings for 70 miles per hour and that might get you where you want to be.

• 1:07:18Matt Farah?

  So also, they mentioned an A3. I have to feel like an A3 has gotta be one of the quietest cars in its class.

• 1:07:27Speaker 01

  I'd hope so.

• 1:07:30Matt Farah?

  I feel like, there's also, well, there's that new Lexus that's like the size of the Prius.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:37Matt Farah?

  That's like the Lexus Prius, there's that thing.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  Honestly, a Prius might be quiet. A Prius with a dynamat would probably be very quiet, super slippery. Uh, and if you put some like softer tires on it, that might be pretty, pretty hush hush.

• 1:07:53Matt Farah?

  You're not, well, you don't want to fucking, you don't want a, an electric car. Long road trips, I imagine you're not gonna want an electric car. Gas, Macan, Genesis G70 are good options. Like, they both are. And if you optimize for tires, like either of those would be, would be very nice. I think, I think possibly a Volvo XC40 would be maybe worth checking out. Um, what's that? What's the smallest Lincoln? The Nautilus?

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a pretty good looking car, too.

• 1:08:25Matt Farah?

  The small, Lincolns are quiet. They're, they're fucking tuned, tuned real quiet. I would,

• 1:08:31Speaker 01

  The Corsair.

• 1:08:32Matt Farah?

  The Corsair.

• 1:08:33Speaker 01

  That's the small one.

• 1:08:33Matt Farah?

  The Corsair, yeah. I would maybe check out a Lincoln. A Lincoln Corsair. Maybe, right?

• 1:08:43Matt Farah?

  Uh, P car photos. In 10 years, what car is gonna be the new Altima? Clapped out, paper tags, bumper hanging off, fucking swanging down the 405. This is so easy. Model 3 Gen 1, obviously. First gen Model 3s are all, are already like so far on their way there.

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and driven like psychopaths.

• 1:09:06Matt Farah?

  I am starting to see some really, you know, for a while, people like, people who bought Teslas like tended to like keep them up pretty nice. I'm starting to see the beaters.

• 1:09:16Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:09:17Matt Farah?

  They're started, they're now old enough and there's enough of them that I'm really starting to see some beat Model 3s.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  I've gotten picked up in some that are real haggard and, uh, you know, they, and they, the powertrain feels fine. They still ride like garbage, but they are trashed inside. They're like cop cars, you know?

• 1:09:33Matt Farah?

  Blown out dampers is a terrible thing. Oh, boy. Don't rob me, says, uh...

• 1:09:43Matt Farah?

  Fuel crisis, I read the first sentence in my head and I was like, I better read the second half of this before I just read it out loud. This motherfucker will read anything we write. Even though Zach does pre-read, Zach would probably keep me from reading anything too terrible.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did look at these.

• 1:09:59Matt Farah?

  Okay, "Fuel crisis and spikes have brought us Japanese econo-boxes, the right turn on red and hybrids, but also reduced speed limits." By the way, also fucking twin turbocharging and a bunch of technologies that now deliver 1,000 horsepower pretty easily.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Right, the second part of this question basically leads to where you are.

• 1:10:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, "What is a positive that the current fuel price spike could bring about and something you hope it doesn't?" A positive is, people might decide EVs are a pretty good idea after all.

• 1:10:32Speaker 01

  It's true.

• 1:10:33Matt Farah?

  Look, EVs, I have been pretty well convinced that EVs in general are a good idea. And so, our government's decision to effectively abandon all support for EVs is fucking insane. It's like, it's just backwards science. It's like, it's like climate denialism. It's like, we had already agreed on this, motherfucker. You know what I mean? It was like, and I don't mean, I don't mean that Biden's 2030, you know, ban on internal combustion cars was realistic. That wasn't either. But I'm talking about the funding to build the infrastructure

• 1:11:12Matt Farah?

  network that will help us get to more EV adoption. You know, the thing we need to get to the place, whatever. Anyway, I think the, if the price stays where it's at or continues to go up, I think people will consider new EVs as well as used EVs.

• 1:11:34Matt Farah?

  For their next car and maybe hopefully they'll consider a downsize in some way, shape or form in terms of the physical size and displacement and fuel economy of their vehicle.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  That would be amazing and miraculous. I think, I think, look, direct injection is one of the most amazing and powerful automotive technologies of like the last 20 years and it came about because of mandates both from the public and from the government of saying, hey, we need cars to be more efficient in a bunch of ways. So they said, okay, how do we do that? How do we get, how do we burn the fuel more, more completely? And the result of that is all the crazy horsepower we have mixed with turbocharging.

• 1:12:17Matt Farah?

  And mixed with vastly improved efficiency if that's the goal as well. I mean, you know.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Well, because they came, they went at it with like, we need to burn more of the fuel more completely. They did that, but then you also get more power.

• 1:12:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  So maybe we'll end up.

• 1:12:30Matt Farah?

  That's the Gale Banks method.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is. Right. Yes. Don't stop sending all the horsepower out the exhaust pipe or the smokestack. So maybe we'll get more power from smaller engines. But I also think it'd be great if people rethought how they consume gasoline and for people yelling like the grid that can't handle it, the grid can respond if the market demands the grid respond.

• 1:12:50Matt Farah?

  I thought about the fact that I, I took the Spyder out on Friday and I, I, I went to the car meet up the hill and I had a lovely drive by myself and I filled up my Spyder with $6.99 a gallon gas and I went, I'm about to burn this off for fun. And I was like, it's, I'm very fortunate and, and even if gas gets pretty expensive, you know, I'm in the car business. Like gas isn't, you know, going to affect our bottom line. I realize it's not, not the same for a lot of people. But, but I did it for the, perhaps the first time ever. I was like, huh, huh, this is, I'm about to burn off a whole tank

• 1:13:33Matt Farah?

  of this just recreationally and, and all I'm doing is, you know.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  You're about to drop $70 in three hours.

• 1:13:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, just to, to, to drive, you know, to, to drive. So it's like. Like, oh, boy. So, um, you know, someone emailed me or DM'd or something from, uh, from Europe. And said, you know, I've, I've done the conversion and like my everyday gas is like, is like the equivalent of like eight seventy-five.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:13:58Matt Farah?

  US dollars. So like, I think if gas stays, if, you know, my friend, uh, my boy Brandon, shout out to him back east. Um, said, you know, he, he, the average is like four something in New York where he lives in the suburbs. And I'm like, how maybe six ninety-nine over here. If the rest of the country starts to see what we, what we're getting in California and California starts to get to eight, nine. That's the, the other half of that person's question was something you don't want to see, which is just that, you know, people that cannot afford to pay more for, for gas and their fucking lives fall apart because of it, because they have to decide, you know.

• 1:14:39Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the article we cited last week, you know, for most people, this increases their gas costs by three hundred bucks on average.

• 1:14:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  Some people more or less blah, blah, blah. But if it starts increasing people's annual spend on gas by five hundred, a thousand, I mean, there are people that do not have five hundred dollars in a savings account.

• 1:14:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  They can't handle that kind of swing and like that'll put a ton of pressure on a lot of people and that would be really horrible.

• 1:15:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This is a very hard question. I saved a bunch of money on insurance by selling my BMW, says, was there one car that if it was never made? Cars as a whole would be in a much better place. Now, what car?

• 1:15:20Matt Farah?

  Has, has inspired some kind of industry-wide adoption for the worse?

• 1:15:28Matt Farah?

  Like, I.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  I think this is a really hard butterfly effect question because.

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  Like when we would make a mistake in production, you know, the mistake would lead to people the next shoot going, "Let's not do, like, let's not do a Klapman." "Like, let's not do that again," whatever that might mean. It might mean forgetting to like, you know, format your card. It might mean, "Don't roll over the ATV."

• 1:15:51Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  But like, everyone was probably a little better at their job because of that error. And I think, I am sure that when like the Aztec came out, there were meetings-

• 1:16:02Matt Farah?

  Aztec was like 12 years ahead of everything else. Everything's an Aztec now.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm sure there were meetings happening around town that were like, "Okay, you're gonna draw a crossover, but please don't draw that." You know, so we might have, cars might have improved their design because someone had to really fall on their face. I don't know. I don't know what you could get rid of, and in the whole car community would be net positive.

• 1:16:22Matt Farah?

  All right, I have one. I actually have one, I think. The first generation Ford Explorer. The first generation Ford Explorer pretty much created what the modern SUV is. And, and that began the shift away from cars, sedans and wagons and minivans to everyone has an SUV, or what is now called a crossover, but an SUV-shaped thing just in a different size packaging. And like, that may have happened eventually,

• 1:17:03Matt Farah?

  but it was really the fucking arrival of the Ford Explorer that, that, that did it. Maybe I could say the second gen Explorer, the 95, because the first gen Explorer was a huge success, but it was also like a fucking truck. The second gen was when it was like, "Let's make this into a car."

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:22Matt Farah?

  That it looks like a truck, you know what I mean? So I would say maybe that.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  See, I don't know if that's net negative though, because I think the buyers have shown they'd rather have a crossover, and we talk, as we age, like, getting into low cars kinda sucks. And so if the, if the Explorer led to a new kind of car that has the efficiency of a car and the ride comfort of a, like a car, meaning a sedan or a coupe, but it has a hit point of like a truck or an SUV, then people kinda got a product that they actually prefer. So I don't know if that's a net negative. Now, as car enthusiasts, we go, "Well, the sedans are going away, the wagons are going away." Yeah, bummer for us.

• 1:18:00Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  But I don't know if it's a bummer for everybody else.

• 1:18:03Matt Farah?

  I agree, but I don't know of a car that is net negative for society, but also like, alright, how about the Hummer H2? Right? Because the Hummer H1 was a military vehicle, clearly.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:23Matt Farah?

  They made it legal for the road, but it was still always going to be stupid and niche. But the H2 was like, huge for everybody. No?

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  No, I think that's a good one.

• 1:18:35Matt Farah?

  That's a good one.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  That's a good one. Because it was really a Tahoe.

• 1:18:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  But it might have led to like TRX Raptor, other stuff like that. Um, I don't know, Cybertruck?

• 1:18:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:46Speaker 01

  I mean, the Cybertruck.

• 1:18:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but I, but I, but so far I can't see anything that it's inspired. I mean, we, our, our lives would be better because we wouldn't have to look at Cybertrucks. But like, but it's not like people are copying, like, I hate to say it and people are going to, would call me a hater because I would say the Model S. Because like, I like what the Model S did in terms of making EVs a desirable thing and, and cool and refined and sleek and all that shit. But at the same time, I can poo poo it because of the tablet.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:19:20Matt Farah?

  So like-

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  It did give the world tablets.

• 1:19:22Matt Farah?

  Right, it gave the world tablets and touchscreens for 10 years.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  But it also like, it also gave the world sexy EVs.

• 1:19:28Matt Farah?

  It's a mixed bag.

• 1:19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:19:30Matt Farah?

  It's a mixed bag.

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Good question.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Good question.

• 1:19:34Matt Farah?

  Murray, long last name. I like that better. Thanks, Murray. Keep going. Uh, I want to complete, I'm contemplating replacing my GR Corolla with two cars, a fun car and a daily EV. I get this. I've narrowed the list, list to a Mach-E, an Ioniq 5 and a Polestar 2. Is there a reason to go for the performance variant of any of these if my fun car is a BRZ or Miata, my commute is 30 miles round trip and I can L2 charge at work or home? I do not think there is a good reason to go for the performance version of this, of any of those cars for your commute. Do you, Zach? I don't think so. I think if you need, if you really need all-wheel drive for the winter, get the all-wheel drive.

• 1:20:17Matt Farah?

  But if not, rear-wheel drive long range is the sweet spot for all of these cars when it comes to commuting.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:24Matt Farah?

  And then rip your BRZ or Miata. Exception, if they'll make you a great deal for a Mach-E Rally.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  Uh, yes, because that also rides better than like, like the Mach-E all-wheel-drive. That one had the stiffer suspension. We didn't like. So the rally rides really nice, but yeah, put comfort over those other things.

• 1:20:43Matt Farah?

  Your poorest patron. I somehow doubt it, but, but I'll let you call yourself that. And I appreciate you. Clearly, you're still a patron, so.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Thirty-six bucks a year.

• 1:20:53Matt Farah?

  Fuck, and I will take it. And I will, I promise I will spend it wisely. Not on something frivolous like drugs or alcohol or gasoline.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  As you sip whiskey.

• 1:21:04Matt Farah?

  This was given.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  That was paid for by a different patron, probably.

• 1:21:06Matt Farah?

  This was paid for by someone else. Not you!

• 1:21:08Speaker 01

  Above or below.

• 1:21:09Matt Farah?

  No, it was paid for by those other people.

• 1:21:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:11Matt Farah?

  It's crazy. Um, okay, really enjoyed the R and T article, oh, about car companies abandoning railcar. Yes. Uh, do you see this as being a potential hole the aftermarket fills where enthusiasts are able to tune, build restomod cars to satisfy the itch? I mean, uh, uh, yes, I do. But hand-building cars is expensive too.

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:35Matt Farah?

  And so I've had multiple people email me in the last six months about, "Do you think there's a market for a six-figure Restomod X?" Eighties, nineties cars. Fairly obvious candidates.

• 1:21:53Matt Farah?

  And, you know,

• 1:21:57Matt Farah?

  maybe, but like, still very expensive, you know?

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  And then you also don't have a warranty. You don't have all of the technology that a new car comes with. You don't have OEM support.

• 1:22:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:09Speaker 01

  Dealership support, all that stuff. So that, that is something that we all have lost by car companies moving away from affordable sports cars.

• 1:22:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And I mean, and right now, anybody with a lot of talent, you know, who's building cars and stuff, they're having trouble finding folks who want to come work for them. So, you know, I, maybe, maybe the market will sort itself out and, and people realize, hey, you know, there's some, some money in, in building cars for people. There's some money in restoring and modifying and whatever, and I'm, I'm gonna go and, go and do that. But, um.

• 1:22:44Matt Farah?

  I mean, buy an enthusiast's car now, I guess. I don't, uh... I do think it's possible, but also those cars are expensive. Dre from Houston, did we see the video of the Cybertruck that tried to self-drive a woman off of these freeway interchanges here in Houston? I did see it.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:23:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, over and over, FSD is great right up until it isn't. And that's the problem with it because it lulls you into a false sense of security. It fucks up at the worst possible time, you're not prepared, and then the crash becomes your fault.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and this was broad daylight, by the way, like a well-marked highway. What was very funny about this is one of our mutual dear friends, Matt, today sent me a video of a Tesla avoiding like an accident on a highway at night where there was just smoke. You couldn't see anything, but the Tesla somehow knew to go around with the vehicle in the shoulder. And he's like, isn't this impressive? Jump ahead three hours and someone's like, here's a video of a Cybertruck crashing into a stationary K-Rail in the middle of the daytime and just, you know, Tesla giveth and Tesla taketh away.

• 1:23:49Matt Farah?

  I mean, something can be impressive and almost, and also be problematic when used in public. Like, yes, it's impressive that it could do one thing, but that has nothing to do with how it might handle this other thing.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:24:03Matt Farah?

  And, and ultimately, in these L2 systems, like, you're responsible for what it does. Like, I got in kind of an argument with a guy the other night, and he was like, he's, I guess, a pilot, he has a pilot's license, whatever, and, and he basically was like, he uses it all the time, and he is not concerned. And he basically says, it's the least of all the things I do. I ride motorcycles, I fly. He's like, it's, it's less dangerous than that, than any of those things. And I go, well, I mean, yeah, okay, but like, you know, it could also crash into somebody else. It could also cause another problem. And, and like... It's ultimately, it's on you to monitor it. It's like, it's just not, until the company making the software and operating the software

• 1:24:47Matt Farah?

  takes responsibility for it, like, it's not, it's not real. Like, it's your fault still if something happens. And I think some people are just more than willing to do that math and go, okay, well, it's my fault, but like, also, I don't really like driving, and so if it's like...

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  Those are dates worth risks. Your friend in Miami, right? Was like, I'm a shit driver. This is better than me, and that person's willing to accept that so far it's worked out fine, and that's... I mean, human thinking is, it's worked out fine so far, why change anything?

• 1:25:16Matt Farah?

  There was a, there was a very funny, I mean, it's not, it wasn't supposed to be funny, it was only funny to me, about a guy, an article written by a guy who was on the, one of the Uber self-driving car development teams, and his, he has a Model X on FSD, and it crashed with all his kids in the car, and he was like, I used it, you know, all the time, and it was fine, and it, and it was good, and it, and I just like, assumed it would be fine, and then I like, woke up in the hospital. You know, and he's like, the, the problem with being 99% good is that, like, you, you treat it like it's 100%.

• 1:25:59Matt Farah?

  Like, you, me, you, me, and a guy who works in the fucking industry, like, treats it, treats 99 like it's 100, and there's such a big gap from 99 to 100. Anyway, my third leg can't touch my third pedal. Installed some new tires, but they squeal a lot mid-corner at a moderate pace. I still have grip, I can continue to turn it harder, but they squeal a lot. Should I be...

• 1:26:30Matt Farah?

  I'm not sure with the last sentences. Is it a result of a noisy tire or am I driving badly? Some tires just squeal a lot.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:26:37Matt Farah?

  Especially like all seasons. All seasons squeal like a bunch, more as compared to the softer compounds of the summer tires.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, it can and it can be well before you're at the limit of grip. Or sometimes it's the surface you're on, like around here when they have those the freeways that look like they were, you know, pressed with a comb and just like all that stuff. So it could be a mix of both things, but um, I don't know, if you're turning at a normal speed, because this person's driving a Chevy Bolt, like if you're not speeding through the corner and it's doing it, it's just the nature of the tire. And when it gets leaned on, for some reason, it squeals way before it lets go. I don't know.

• 1:27:14Matt Farah?

  Uh, desmolderingrim said, people started buying the Pontiac Aztec ironically. How cheap does the Cybertruck have to get to be, to be in the same position? So, good question, but we have to contextualize. When did people start buying the Aztec ironically? It certainly was not when they were fucking new.

• 1:27:35Speaker 01

  No, it was when a show was made.

• 1:27:36Matt Farah?

  Breaking Bad.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  About meth, yes.

• 1:27:38Matt Farah?

  Right, so the question is, what piece of media will canonize the Cybertruck? As, what, the depressing car of like a, of a failed, you know, teacher, like of a, not failed teacher, but like a, a broke teacher in Albuquerque? You know, like, uh, the, the irony of that, of the Aztec came much, much later. Once, like, A, Aztecs, once the world became Aztecs. You know how Billy, do you know Billy Corbin, the documentarian? Billy Corbin says, if you want to see what America will be in 20 years, look at Miami. Miami is America in 20 years, which is not

• 1:28:22Matt Farah?

  not fucking good, but he ain't wrong. The Cybertruck, it's like that, you know what I mean? The Aztec was America in 20 years, the Cybertruck will be that, maybe. But the, but the Cybertruck is politically toxic, whereas the Aztec was merely a failure that ultimately wasn't that ugly or that terrible because the world just sort of bent back to it.

• 1:28:45Speaker 01

  Then it needs, then the Cybertruck needs at least 20 years, because I think that's about how long it took before you started seeing 9/11 jokes on Instagram.

• 1:28:57Speaker 01

  It needs a huge amount of distance, but also the distance hasn't begun yet, actually, because it's still politically toxic, because the owner of Tesla is still politically toxic and operating. So he would have to depart, and then you need like 20, 25 years before people can go, "Oh, remember that thing? That was a weird idea," and they're gonna start buying it for 10 grand.

• 1:29:16Matt Farah?

  In 25 years, maybe, everybody involved with Back to the Future will be dead. And I'm not saying that I'm looking forward to that, but like-

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:29:27Matt Farah?

  The reality is-

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  It's just math.

• 1:29:28Matt Farah?

  Probably that in math. And then, someone can remake Back to the Future, because Bob Gale and everyone involved says, "No remakes. It's a perfect movie. You cannot remake it." Which I believe-

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:29:39Matt Farah?

  Actually. Cannot, should not. Once they're dead, someone's gonna. And then, the Cybertruck will become ironically cool, because Doc Brown will turn one into a fucking time machine.

• 1:29:51Speaker 01

  Ooh, that's a great call. Because he could also make fun of its past.

• 1:29:55Matt Farah?

  In 1985, when Back to the Future 1 came out, the DeLorean was a joke. It was a failure. It was like, we didn't, we were children, and now it's like, it's still, it's a cool-looking car. But like, it was a failure. He would've bought that thing for nothing.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  I think Doc Brown would use a different car, but they would then travel back to 20, you know, 20, and they would see Cybertrucks and make fun of them.

• 1:30:18Matt Farah?

  There's a goof, and there's a goof there.

• 1:30:19Speaker 01

  And then, people start buying them ironically, because they were like, the villain car in this new Back to the Future reboot from 2050.

• 1:30:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, whatever the, whatever Biff-

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:30:27Matt Farah?

  Young Biff-

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  Yes, Biff will drive a Cybertruck.

• 1:30:30Matt Farah?

  Young Biff would be a Manosphere influencer-

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 1:30:34Matt Farah?

  In a Cybertruck.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  He will absolutely be that person.

• 1:30:36Matt Farah?

  Gramps!

• 1:30:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:39Matt Farah?

  Nobody can turn this yoke from me!

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  That's exactly right.

• 1:30:45Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's good. Dungeons and Datsuns. Alright, Freaky Friday Garage Swap. Zach, if your budget was similar to mine-

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Oh, this is a long answer.

• 1:30:55Matt Farah?

  What would your garage look like? And if I was down to a two-car household, what would my garage look like?

• 1:31:01Speaker 01

  You go first, because you have fewer things to describe.

• 1:31:03Matt Farah?

  I mean, look, if I-

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  How many cars do you have right now? Six and a half?

• 1:31:07Matt Farah?

  I think like, eight.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:31:09Matt Farah?

  I, I, I honestly don't recall.

• 1:31:16Matt Farah?

  I don't want to do it out right now. I think it's like, alright, wait, the Taycan, the Taycan, the Spider, the Manks, the Pow, the Delica, the Mercedes, the Lamborghini, the Aston Martin. Are there more?

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  I don't recall.

• 1:31:37Matt Farah?

  I don't think. I don't think there's more.

• 1:31:40Speaker 01

  Yeah?

• 1:31:41Matt Farah?

  Oh. I think it's eight, but it might also be nine. I don't know. The point is, but you don't have to come up with nine cars.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  I'm going with six. I can't.

• 1:31:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, six is ridiculous. If my garage was two cars, I mean genuinely, I would be very happy to have my, uh, the Taycan and the Spider, you know? What do you need, what do you need past that? That would, that would do it. I mean, those are both very, very nice cars, but if I had to choose two, an EV, a nice EV for every day, uh, it's a wagon, holds shit, and then, uh, and then the Spider for weekends and road trips and fun activities. I'd be happy with that.

• 1:32:18Speaker 01

  Okay. I... Oh, I forgot that you have a Countach. Did you forget that too? Did you say that one?

• 1:32:28Matt Farah?

  I don't recall.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  I just realized my budget could go up like quite a bit, but, uh, yeah. Okay, then I'm just gonna go...

• 1:32:35Matt Farah?

  Taycan, uh, Manks, Pow, Delica, Mercedes, Aston.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:32:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's nine. It's nine.

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  Okay. I would have, uh, an E90 M3, a 65 Pontiac with just a decent engine and, you know, four-speed, reliving high school, a 4Runner for camping, overland stuff, a Machi Rally as my EV daily, a C5 drift car, a 360 Modena with a manual swap.

• 1:33:03Matt Farah?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  And then a V8 Vantage S.

• 1:33:06Matt Farah?

  Well, Zach has very expensive taste.

• 1:33:08Speaker 01

  Well, but if we take the Countach.

• 1:33:10Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 1:33:11Speaker 01

  And we divide it by its parts, you know, I can sell some of those organs.

• 1:33:14Matt Farah?

  What a coincidence. It's already divided by its parts.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  Who wants to buy a hub? It's frozen.

• 1:33:22Matt Farah?

  Oh, I've bought that hub twice. Okay, re-education through lift-off oversteer. Scrolls it down.

• 1:33:31Matt Farah?

  When fixing, thinking about trading a car in, do you fix small blemishes and cracked windshields? Or do you just trade it on as the dealer can fix it for less? Trading in is a tough one. I would only fix something that's real big on a trade-in. They're wholesaling that motherfucker out. Only, like, if you're trading a same brand, if you're trading like the kind of car that they're gonna put back on the used lot, like if you're trading an off-lease Panamera for a brand-new Panamera and they got a two-year-old like real nice Panamera and they're gonna put that back on the lot? May, you maybe, maybe, maybe fix things.

• 1:34:14Matt Farah?

  If you're trading in a Camry to a Mini dealer, they're wholesaling that fucking thing out. Just whatever it is it is, right? I don't really believe in fixing stuff before you trade it to a dealer.

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  Do you think there's value in knowing what it cost to repair those things so if the dealership goes, "Oh, windshield's ding, we gotta replace that, that's $800," and you go, "I know that it's $350," and then maybe, just so that way you don't get fucked and they don't start deleting numbers from the total?

• 1:34:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's, that's like a lease return. Like, if you're gonna get fucked on a lease return for a scratch or a chip in the windshield, then maybe you wanna figure, do it yourself. But like, if you're trading the car in, they're usually not gonna hose you from, for like...

• 1:34:57Speaker 01

  They're already hosing you on the price.

• 1:35:00Matt Farah?

  They're already hosing you on the price, they're not gonna hose you that much. Okay. "Hitting a deer at the speed limit," says, "Of all the cars you've tested, are there any cars that are one flash away from greatness?" Such as, meaning like, I don't think that's a software flash, I just think it's like, if you changed one thing, it would be perfect. Like, both that Volvo Cyan thing and the Alpha, the Totem GT, both had that weird steering thing where they didn't unwind the steering properly.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  Cause the caster angle's wrong, yeah.

• 1:35:40Matt Farah?

  Like, those were both like, almost perfect, except for that.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:49Matt Farah?

  And...

• 1:35:51Speaker 01

  Well, if they, like, take a new M2, new M3, well, one flash, I mean, the design is one thing, but dynamically, like, if you could add steering feel somehow, and David Tewig has explained, this is a very complicated thing to get steering feel, but that is like the biggest complaint.

• 1:36:07Matt Farah?

  Just add steering feel.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, put it back! It needs it.

• 1:36:10Matt Farah?

  Just put it in. The car's not there.

• 1:36:12Speaker 01

  Car's fast, handles well, is comfortable, blah blah blah, but it has no steering feel. So yeah, flash that.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  I mean, what did he...

• 1:36:20Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, so there's a lot of cars, like, 3.0 liter 911s, for instance. It's not, it's not super problematic, because you can just flick it, and it's clear that sport mode in 3.0 liter 911s is the mode that the car is supposed to be in. And then normal mode is like eco, tune, quiet, sound, fuel economy, bullshit. So like, all 997.2, or, excuse me, 991.2 and 992, the twin-turbo 3.0 liter, all the Carrera line, you have to flick it in sport mode, and then you're like, oh yeah, that's how it's supposed, like, it literally like bogs the shit out of itself, it just sucks in normal mode.

• 1:37:05Matt Farah?

  So you put it in sport mode, it's fine. So, a flash from greatness is just making sport mode the normal default mode. Like, they've invented, sorry Zach, they've done the whole hybrid system to solve for that.

• 1:37:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:37:19Matt Farah?

  Like, you don't need the hybrid system. It works, but you don't need any of that shit.

• 1:37:25Speaker 01

  Sport.

• 1:37:26Matt Farah?

  Just start it in fucking sport mode, and like, I recognize fuel economy standards and all these things, and it's better for the environment, but a Carrera S with like, none of this hybrid shit is like, you know, 200 and something pounds lighter, way less complex, all this other stuff.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Less raw material.

• 1:37:45Matt Farah?

  But you have to do the sport mode thing, whereas the other one, you don't have to do it, because it fills in all the bottom end with the electric motor, to cover for the fact that it's just not revving the other motor that has so much power. It already has the mode of the gas, it has so much power, it just won't rev it for emissions and noise. So it has a whole other system to get around having to rev the engine it's got.

• 1:38:12Matt Farah?

  Damn. Uh, let's, I don't, uh, do you, I don't want to pull that one up, but Twin Cam, Twin Cam Homaise says, uh, "I just sold my RS5, an Audi A3 TDI, and bought an Audi A4 Allroad on the quest to get down to two cars with a dedicated sports car." So you've got the Allroad, have driven a Boxster or Cayman, a GTS 4.0, a Mira V6 manual, GT350 manual Supra, and a 981 Boxster. Besides a GT4, is there anything else I should try? I mean, these are all mid-engine cars. No, they're not, the GT350 and the Supra are not, sorry. You should try...

• 1:38:54Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, you should try a Corvette, I think.

• 1:38:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  Like a C6, Z06, or...

• 1:38:59Matt Farah?

  Or a C8.

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  Sorry, Grand Sport, um, or yeah, or a C8.

• 1:39:03Matt Farah?

  You should try a C8.

• 1:39:04Speaker 01

  If you're doing a Mira new, then yeah, then you should do, try a C8. Ooh, try to get a UZ06.

• 1:39:09Matt Farah?

  A UZ06 is...

• 1:39:10Speaker 01

  Try that.

• 1:39:11Matt Farah?

  Is in the wheelhouse. You should try, you should maybe try a Viper, just for funsies.

• 1:39:21Speaker 01

  Depends on your height, but yeah, you should try it. It's a thing, it is definitely a thing worth experiencing as a car person.

• 1:39:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And you could probably get a Ferrari 360 for the kind of money you're talking about as well, so maybe take a look at that. Keel and Toe says, "Will Jaguars' transition to full-electric work for them, or is it the beginning of the end? Let's wait out and see how gas prices work out."

• 1:39:49Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:39:50Matt Farah?

  Um, I don't know, I mean, I, I, I think the, Jaguar's not an American company, it's a fucking British company owned by Indians. Like, the rest of the world is going electric.

• 1:40:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:05Matt Farah?

  With or without America.

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, but America is such a huge customer for all car companies that I think without, it would be really amazing if they could survive without a strong American base, you know? I don't know if they, it's a huge chunk of money.

• 1:40:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  But, on the other hand, if Jaguar, if Jaguar is selling to people who don't care about a tax incentive because they can afford the $7,500...

• 1:40:26Matt Farah?

  Which doesn't exist anymore.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  Right, no, I'm saying, it, it went away, so people who need that money, and they say, "Well, now I'm not going to buy an EV because it's not as cheap." But if someone's buying a six-figure Jaguar, they go, "Yeah, what, all right, fine, 7, 7 grand, do I want it, or do I not want it?" So we'll see. But it's tough.

• 1:40:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:44Speaker 01

  It's an EV sedani wagon in an era of hybrid crossovers.

• 1:40:50Matt Farah?

  Well, I think we've seen kind of the limit of what most people are willing to spend on an EV right now. Most people are willing to spend, you know, 120 to 150, hard tops, right? Even like Taycan, like Taycan Turbo Ss and shit like those don't go out the door at full sticker.

• 1:41:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:11Matt Farah?

  They just don't.

• 1:41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:13Matt Farah?

  So, I don't know. Project BRZAT, like where your head's at. Would it be, am I nuts to think it would be a great trip to drive my BRZ from Dallas to wherever the fuck that is? Want to Google that? On the Arctic Ocean. I love long road trips, but this would push things well beyond anything else I've done. Okay, so can you make a, make a maps route to fucking there from?

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  From Dallas.

• 1:41:40Matt Farah?

  From Dallas. Let's see how far this is to, to tuck, toyuck tuck, to tuck, toyuck tuck. Well, that's really far. It's super far.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:41:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:52Speaker 01

  For people listening, this is the top of Canada.

• 1:41:56Matt Farah?

  Is that like drivable?

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  Just east of the Alaskan border.

• 1:42:03Matt Farah?

  Can you drive to that? Is there a fucking road? I mean, yeah, there is.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  Tolls, ferries, you cross the border and you're in a different time zone. There is a way.

• 1:42:15Matt Farah?

  Go up to the Yukon part of it, the Northwest territ, like, okay, so we know.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  4,000 miles.

• 1:42:19Matt Farah?

  We know this is paved, you know, all the way to, you know, whatever, the northern part of, but what is, is there a street view of what this road like looks like? Is this, is this a road? It just says Yukon, Canada.

• 1:42:33Speaker 01

  No street view. I wonder if there's.

• 1:42:34Matt Farah?

  Can you zoom in enough to see satellite view if it's, if it's paved? Fuck. Is that dirt? Or is that tarmac?

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  That looks like dirt.

• 1:42:44Matt Farah?

  That looks like dirt, doesn't it? Yeah. No street view, though, huh?

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  It's called Dempster Highway.

• 1:42:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah. I'm pretty sure that's, that's dirt. So where does pavement end? What's the nearest, like, town?

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  Oops, I think I messed up.

• 1:43:00Matt Farah?

  I mean, this is, this is Eagle Plains. So what's up with Eagle Plains? Oh, there's a hotel. Alright, let's get a photo of the Eagle Plains. Can we just click on it? And let's, oh, that seems very much dirt.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  There's three things in Eagle Plains. There's a restaurant and one hotel.

• 1:43:17Matt Farah?

  Alright, let's get a photo of it. Oh, yeah. Looks great. 4.1 stars. Oh, boy.

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  We need a view of the road.

• 1:43:27Matt Farah?

  You can't just spin around, huh? Oh, that's tough. That's tough. Wow, that looks like a Wes Anderson couch, doesn't it? Alright, so we don't know, we think it's dirt. Okay. I mean, dude, like, people do it, right? Like, it's far and it's dirt, but people do it.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  This would be awesome. This would be absolutely a trip of a lifetime. 4,000 miles, and you end up at, you know, the, what, Arctic Ocean Circle? Like, don't do it in the winter, because you won't make it, and you'll die.

• 1:43:58Matt Farah?

  What is up here, dude? Hunter's B&B, top rated.

• 1:44:01Speaker 01

  You should absolutely do this. Like, let's look at this place.

• 1:44:03Matt Farah?

  What does that house look like? Holy shit, look at this fucking thing. I mean, it actually looks lovely. Looks beautiful. Look at the view. Wow. Do it in the summer. It looks awesome.

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  Top of the world. Uh, driving, I drove through Canada once, um, for Hyundai. Stunning. I mean, absolutely memorable drive. And foliage, all of that stuff.

• 1:44:25Matt Farah?

  It's pretty hardcore.

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  It's very hardcore. And if you're doing it in a BRZ, is that what?

• 1:44:29Matt Farah?

  By the way, you gotta go back.

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  What?

• 1:44:31Matt Farah?

  You gotta turn around and go back, once you get there. That's a two-way drive. Right? Or you gotta somehow ship the car home from there? Best of luck.

• 1:44:40Speaker 01

  Noise-canceling headphones. That car is not that quiet on the road. In a BRZ, huh, yeah, that's, that's... But, that would be really cool. I would do it.

• 1:44:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it seems awesome.

• 1:44:50Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:44:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Is that it?

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  There's more.

• 1:44:53Matt Farah?

  Oh, there are? Oh, okay.

• 1:44:59Matt Farah?

  She, she likes choke to get started.

• 1:45:02Speaker 01

  She likes to choke to get started.

• 1:45:04Matt Farah?

  Do your cars have any quirky features? For example, I find the visors on my 1989 11 SC to be very large. I mean, my Countach has a coke mirror. Like, the vanity mirror comes out.

• 1:45:18Speaker 01

  That's what that's for. No question.

• 1:45:20Matt Farah?

  It's rad.

• 1:45:21Speaker 01

  That's 100% what that's for.

• 1:45:22Matt Farah?

  I mean, it's what I've used it for. No, I don't, but...

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  I know you don't, but that's like, that's what people used it for.

• 1:45:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  Talk about meeting a market need.

• 1:45:32Matt Farah?

  The Pal has all kinds of fucking quirky features. The Pal has a SUV-like tailgate, like a hammock in the back. It's got all kinds of crazy shit in it.

• 1:45:41Speaker 01

  My car, like, in the trunk, where the CD changer used to be, I just have this weird felt cubby. And I kept lifting chalk in it, and Thad found it. It was, like, still wrapped, and it's from, like, eight years ago. And it just looks like I'm transporting bricks of cocaine.

• 1:45:56Matt Farah?

  Last one. What does the Fox body say? 2022 Mach 1 or 2020 Camaro S1LE?

• 1:46:05Speaker 01

  Am I living with it or am I tracking it?

• 1:46:07Matt Farah?

  I'd probably go Mach 1.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  If I'm living with it, it's Mach 1. That's a fantastic car.

• 1:46:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I'd go, I'd go Mach 1, I think. Thank you, everybody. We appreciate y'alls very much. Y'alls are good people out there. Thank you to our patrons for asking such good questions. And everyone, go check out our Porsche 911 Turbo S giveaway. The link is in the video description. Get your entries in for that. And we will see you guys next time. Bye.