BMW M3 Goes Electric?! The Corvette ZR1X! Why is Doug Disappointed?

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• 1:01Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod. I'm Filippo.

• 1:05Speaker 03

  I'm Nick.

• 1:06Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's here today filling in for Kenan, and we got a lot to talk about. Start with the news. Ah, yes. The big news story of the week, the new Corvette ZR1 X. Did you read these numbers, Nick?

• 1:21Speaker 03

  It gets to be such small numbers that it's just like, it doesn't even make sense anymore.

• 1:26Doug DeMuro?

  The ZR1 X, they've already established what it is, that it's crazy and it's insane. It's an even higher-performance version of the regular ZR1. However, today, this week, they announced 0 to 60 in quarter-mile times on a prep service, which you can see here. 0 to 60 in 1.68 seconds.

• 1:42Speaker 03

  I know.

• 1:42Doug DeMuro?

  It is on a prep service, but it's on pump gas. Pump gas! And a prep service is like, it's a drag strip in Michigan. Like, is it, how prep, I mean, maybe not in Michigan at this time of year, but how prep could it, like, it's not like, obviously, it helps the tires hook up and all that stuff, but it's not like they took the car to the moon or some other thing that would, like, is impossible to replicate. Like, you could do this. You could do this.

• 2:03Speaker 03

  So is this thing caged, or are they getting DQ'd and kicked out, like, after one pass?

• 2:07Doug DeMuro?

  Quarter-mile at, uh, quarter-mile time. To your answer your question, is it 8.675 at 160 miles an hour? You would get kicked out, but what we do in the community.

• 2:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18Doug DeMuro?

  Is we do that, we after the eighth, we slam on the brakes right before the end and then we run a 13. That's like, that's like how it's done.

• 2:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, you run your draggy just to get your, your time to the gate.

• 2:32Doug DeMuro?

  A whole.

• 2:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:33Speaker 04

  Large bit in the Fast and the Furious movies with a you owe me a 10 second car. Turns out all you need is 208 grand and you can have one tomorrow.

• 2:40Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you could have a plaid for 45 if you didn't want a 10 second car. This is an eight second.

• 2:44Speaker 04

  Right, good point.

• 2:44Doug DeMuro?

  This is an eight second car.

• 2:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's wild. We're not that far off of Top Fuel Dragsters. You ever see a Top Fuel Dragster?

• 2:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:51Doug DeMuro?

  Here's how, here's how it goes, here's how it goes.

• 2:55Speaker 03

  And then they rebuild the motor each pass.

• 2:58Speaker 04

  What, what the viewers don't know is that the three of us went drag racing recently.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 3:02Speaker 04

  Our times were a little longer.

• 3:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, well, we did a, it was a, it was 16 miles.

• 3:07Speaker 04

  And they were still actually.

• 3:08Doug DeMuro?

  I think it was.

• 3:08Speaker 04

  It was shorter.

• 3:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  You're right. I had a 1.78 response time.

• 3:15Speaker 03

  You do wonder, okay, your problem with 4GTs of like the dealers not wanting to work on it. Like, imagine your average Chevy dealer trying to fix a one second zero to 60 car with an eight second quarter mile.

• 3:26Speaker 04

  It's a pump gas car. It's like, it runs like a normal car. I think it is just a Corvette.

• 3:31Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't it just?

• 3:32Speaker 03

  I guess.

• 3:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's just.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  It's a Corvette.

• 3:34Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 3:34Doug DeMuro?

  Well, but and what it is also is it's just a twin turbo V8 from the regular ZR1. Plus it's got the hybrid from the E-Ray, right?

• 3:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 3:41Doug DeMuro?

  And then it's combined for 1250 horsepower. It's not that out of the realm insane for a dealer.

• 3:47Speaker 04

  This is a car that Corvette, that Chevrolet makes.

• 3:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  When Dodge came out with the, the Hellcat Demon, whatever, which also had a sub 10 quarter mile time, if memory serves. Yeah, that kind of made sense. But this is like a competent car that isn't just going fast.

• 4:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I just drove this regular ZR1. I had it for a couple of days when I was in Detroit and by a couple of days, I mean, less than 24 hours. Uh, and it was great. You could drive it around. I drove it around Warren in October. It's cold, there's geese everywhere.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  You can go around corners?

• 4:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, it's in, and, and you can go and pick one of these up. Might you?

• 4:21Speaker 04

  No.

• 4:21Doug DeMuro?

  Why not?

• 4:22Speaker 04

  I am weirdly into E-Rays. I think an E-Ray is like a eventual buy.

• 4:26Doug DeMuro?

  E-Rays are rare.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  I know, but they're a deal.

• 4:29Doug DeMuro?

  They're deals. It's 06 performance.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  With a hybrid and I love hybrids.

• 4:33Doug DeMuro?

  And it's four wheel drive.

• 4:35Speaker 03

  That's a good guess.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. Then I can't do burnouts.

• 4:38Doug DeMuro?

  You don't, you don't need to do burnouts. You know what the E-RAE is?

• 4:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 4:42Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  Um, I have to say too, remember the SSC two Etara that kind of had a big scandal about claiming a top speed that wasn't true? It's zero to 60 in what they could verify is slower. It's quarter mile is slower. And that car, they pushed it to the brink of breaking to the point where they, part of the reason they couldn't validate their times is because it broke down before they could do like the down and back.

• 5:05Doug DeMuro?

  And looking it up, that car had 1,750 horsepower on E85, 1,350 on 91, which means it had more power than this. It's still zero to 60 was two and a half seconds, so it was much slower. Now, who knows what this does on normal street, but my guess is two, 1.92.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  And that, by the way, is faster than a Chiron, faster than a Ruelto. I could probably keep Googling other supercars and it's faster than that, too.

• 5:26Doug DeMuro?

  It, the only thing it's not faster than is the craziest of the electric stuff.

• 5:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 5:30Doug DeMuro?

  However, it, that's still pretty insane when you think about it because the cra- it's, it's right there with the craziest of the electric stuff.

• 5:37Speaker 04

  The Sapphire, which is Lucid's most powerful car, is 1.89.

• 5:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. And, and that's probably what this will do on a, on a regular road. Uh, pretty incredible, going to be the all time greatest Corvette, um, truly.

• 5:51Speaker 03

  Until the next one, until the X-X.

• 5:52Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, but like, you can't really get faster than this.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  That, that's what we've been saying for, I mean, they, they gotta follow it up somehow.

• 6:00Doug DeMuro?

  I've always, I never, I never was saying that until about now. Like, I think zero to 60 cars went in 10 years ago were doing like three and a half that was fast, but you always knew there was more.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  Right.

• 6:08Doug DeMuro?

  That could happen. And then the EVs came and it got there and now this is here, but cars aren't going to be doing zero to 60 in 0.7 seconds. It won't, it's just not going to be occurring.

• 6:15Speaker 04

  I, I want to tell, like, make you all experience 1.67 seconds. That's what it is, right?

• 6:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 6:21Speaker 04

  All right. You're going to be quiet for 1.67 seconds from now.

• 6:25Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow. Filippo's doing a little, nothing like, nothing like two seconds of quiet.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  Well, it could have been two beautiful seconds of quiet, but that, the time for you to say that, the car would have been going 60 miles an hour.

• 6:34Doug DeMuro?

  And at 8.8 seconds.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  It would have been going 150.

• 6:37Doug DeMuro?

  160.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 6:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's quick, dude. People are going to crash these.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:42Doug DeMuro?

  You know who's going to crash them? You know what I was just thinking of? College athletes are going to crash.

• 6:48Speaker 04

  Because they can be paid now.

• 6:49Doug DeMuro?

  They get paid.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:50Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? I, I read a statistic because Belichick is, is, is coaching UNC.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 6:54Doug DeMuro?

  70% of UNC's football team has gotten a moving violation since he started coaching.

• 7:00Speaker 04

  Oh, it turns out you give people even younger than NFL stars money. Wow. They will spend it in response.

• 7:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's wild. It's absolutely wild. Okay, move on to our next story, which is that the Tokyo Auto Salon was BS. We at the Cars and Bids Podcast, what is this called? We no longer support the Tokyo Auto Salon. We don't believe in it. We don't accept it. We think it's a bunch of trivial non-news. We're not gonna even talk about it next year.

• 7:28Speaker 04

  It's also poorly named.

• 7:30Doug DeMuro?

  There's not even a salon! Okay, so last week we reported that Toyota was gonna debut a secret new mid-engine car. And we were speculating, because in an MR2, there had been rendering shown, everyone was excited, the internet was abuzz. It turned out to be a K-car on chunky tires.

• 7:46Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 7:47Doug DeMuro?

  That's BS, but even worse than that, and Toyota thinks they pulled the wool over everybody's eyes. No, you just disappointed us, we hate you. Move on to the next one. Subaru was like, "We're gonna do an STI." You remember this news story?

• 7:59Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 7:59Doug DeMuro?

  "We're gonna do STI." Well, it turned out to be a cosmetic trim package on the WRX. How much more power does it have?

• 8:04Speaker 04

  Less.

• 8:05Doug DeMuro?

  Less!

• 8:06Speaker 04

  Well, sorry, that's the same, horsepower, less torque.

• 8:09Doug DeMuro?

  In true STI tradition, it's got less performance.

• 8:13Speaker 04

  Yep, and it's also called the STI Sport Sharp.

• 8:17Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't Sport Sharp...

• 8:19Speaker 04

  Like, hashtag sharp.

• 8:20Doug DeMuro?

  Oh. Is Sport Sharp, is their sport mode? That's what it...

• 8:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 8:25Doug DeMuro?

  That's the name of their sport.

• 8:26Speaker 04

  It takes some things from what was the WRX TS Spec B, which was Japan only. So, Brembo brakes, adaptive suspension, and ultra-swayed seats. They added some red and called it an STI.

• 8:36Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, this is the biggest, the Tokyo Auto Salon was a complete dud, and if you're an organizer of the Tokyo Auto Salon, and you're not, uh, we will never talk about your dud of a show ever again! Did anything important get revealed there, like a new over-trail LX?

• 8:52Speaker 04

  No. I will say to the organizers of the salon, I still wish I were there. I mean, it would've been cool. I want it to go.

• 8:58Doug DeMuro?

  I don't wish I was there. To see what? The Sport Sharp?

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong.

• 9:03Doug DeMuro?

  The mid-engine K-vehicle? Aren't you disappointed by this?

• 9:07Speaker 04

  Oh, incredibly. It was so sad. It could've been something good. That one was pretty easy to not screw up, right? Like, the STI formula has been around forever.

• 9:19Doug DeMuro?

  Subaru just refuses to, I just, I've tried to make sense of it for a long time. And I just think they don't want these people in their showrooms anymore. I think they want to pivot to a different type of company, which is reasonable, I guess.

• 9:32Speaker 04

  But then why bother? It kind of reminds me of like the AMG trim packages, you know? Like, all you're really doing is watering down the brand. Like, it's just, I don't get it.

• 9:40Doug DeMuro?

  And by the way, if you're curious whether this will come to the US, the answer is, we don't care.

• 9:46Speaker 04

  So true.

• 9:47Doug DeMuro?

  Next story, we're not talking about the Tokyo Auto Salon anymore, ever again.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  But we will talk about the FBI.

• 9:53Doug DeMuro?

  The FBI.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  There have been a bunch of news stories about Cash Patel, who heads up the FBI, choosing armored BMWs instead of the armored Suburbans.

• 10:01Doug DeMuro?

  Cash Patel.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  They bought, the FBI bought some undisclosed number, could be a really small number, could be a large number, of armored X5s. And honestly, I'm like supportive of this, for a couple of reasons. And this is not going to be a popular take, but for a couple of reasons.

• 10:17Doug DeMuro?

  Oh wow, we're going to get into politics right here.

• 10:20Doug DeMuro?

  So, why do you support it?

• 10:21Speaker 04

  So, these are about half the price of a GM Defend Suburban. Everybody knows that you see a Suburban 2500, it is a federally owned vehicle, period. And so that is maybe a little bit more discreet, and also it's half the price.

• 10:37Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, but does it offer the same level of capability?

• 10:39Speaker 04

  Apparently, of armory, of capability is a good question. Is X5 as capable as Suburban?

• 10:43Doug DeMuro?

  Certainly it's smaller, so you lose some.

• 10:44Speaker 04

  It's different. And also, it's still built in the US. They're built in Spartanburg, South Carolina.

• 10:48Doug DeMuro?

  Spartanburg, South Carolina, by non-union labor. And you got to assume that factored in.

• 10:54Speaker 04

  So, I can accept that there is value in having a mix of armored vehicles. And I appreciate that they're nevertheless US-built.

• 11:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 11:02Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with some of what you're saying.

• 11:04Speaker 04

  GM Authority does not agree with that take.

• 11:05Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with some of what you're saying. I will, yeah, GM Authority. I will say, the one drawback is, I'm curious whether it offers the same level of protection. Now, when you go to DC and you see the armored Suburbans, there are different levels.

• 11:18Speaker 04

  There are.

• 11:18Doug DeMuro?

  Clearly, you can tell. Like, some of them have completely different wheels and tires, which must be some sort of, you know, gun penetrated, can still drive on. And some of them are just on regular wheels and tires. Some of them have a really thick armor in the rear windows and everything. Some of them are less so.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:34Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know what level this is.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  I will say, the FBI also has a multimillion dollar, multi-year deal with GM Defense. So they're still gonna be buying Suburbans from them. And they also already had a deal with BMW to build armored diplomatic vehicles. So I suspect they just like bought some additional ones or mixing up their mix.

• 11:53Doug DeMuro?

  My presumption has been, even though it hasn't really been reported how they're gonna be used, my presumption has been that these are gonna be primarily for like big wig FBI people that ride around Langley. Where's Langley? Is that where they are? No, that's the CIA. Well, we gotta figure out where the FBI is.

• 12:05Speaker 04

  We should probably DC. Should figure that out. Regardless, get ready for some Armor X5.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  Let's hope when they armor them, they do the big three while they're in there.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Imagine, it just breaks down.

• 12:14Doug DeMuro?

  Have you been in a big one?

• 12:15Speaker 03

  The Vanos falls apart.

• 12:17Doug DeMuro?

  You're saying that you hold the...

• 12:20Speaker 03

  The factory. You can't kill an LS, but a BMW motor, I mean, you don't need to shoot at it, just uh... Make it go 2,000 miles without a service.

• 12:33Doug DeMuro?

  It's the B58, man.

• 12:34Speaker 03

  Sitting duck.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  It's the B58, reliable.

• 12:37Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my god, that's so true.

• 12:39Speaker 04

  It's a B58, it's a great engine.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  I'm sure, I'm sure.

• 12:42Doug DeMuro?

  Three, the big three being what? Vanos? SMG?

• 12:46Speaker 03

  Rod bearings, I don't know.

• 12:48Doug DeMuro?

  I'm sure they do the rod bearings on the new car.

• 12:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:51Doug DeMuro?

  It is, it is, armoring adds like 2,500 pounds. And so you gotta assume that's only gonna make it worse.

• 13:00Speaker 04

  Oh my god, while they're in there.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  Comes out of the factory, they rebuild it, and it's all armor.

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• 14:16Speaker 03

  Yes, a concept being released and likely to happen in EV M3, which already sounds sacrilegious enough.

• 14:23Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 14:24Speaker 03

  They are gonna draw some cues from Hyundai. It's an electric M3, all right? When I was a child, there was a chrome M3, and it broke the internet, and now we have an EV M3.

• 14:33Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 14:34Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  Well, all right.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  Chew on that. Can I give you some actual information? Quad motor. Yeah. But they say rear-wheel drive, so you're gonna be able to dial it. You can either dial it or disconnect the front motors. Okay. It'll also be all-wheel drive. What other information do you have? We have simulated gear shift, apparently. Simulated gear shift's a huge deal. Yeah, it's smart. And they did a bunch of deep dives. BMW must have done like a large release earlier this week, but they apparently are creating a whole different like battery chemical structure to make it so that the motors are a little bit more responsive, or like the battery can deliver power a little bit more quickly, and then recharge more quickly and do regenerative braking more quickly. Sounds like another BMW thing that's gonna fail. Cash Patel should be on one of these. Yeah, it's gonna be a little.

• 15:16Speaker 03

  You're missing the most important part, which is even in camouflage, it looks better than the outgoing M3. The current M3 looks good.

• 15:24Doug DeMuro?

  Totally disagree.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  That's great. The grills are normal size.

• 15:27Doug DeMuro?

  The current M3 is one of the great cars. And if this becomes the only M3, then everything I've ever said about the current M3

• 15:34Speaker 03

  So true.

• 15:34Doug DeMuro?

  will come true, which is that it was the last and best. And that someday we will look back at those grills and love them.

• 15:40Speaker 03

  Can I? So there's a high-performance control unit in the new class M3, apparently. Can you guess what they call it?

• 15:48Doug DeMuro?

  The emotion love center.

• 15:50Speaker 03

  Oh, you're so close. The heart of joy.

• 15:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, this is Germans.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:54Doug DeMuro?

  They name stuff like that because they think, they don't know emotion, but they hear words and they...

• 15:59Speaker 03

  I drive was when like everyone had like iPod and like eye, little eye, whatever.

• 16:04Doug DeMuro?

  Right. They hear these things and they're thinking this must be how Italians feel. They have, no, they have emotion. They would name something the heart of joy, right? And then they ask the one Italian. Uh, okay, that's all interesting.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  It is cool. It will be cool.

• 16:17Doug DeMuro?

  It will be cool. I'm excited for it. I hope that they still have a gas engine one.

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• 16:48Speaker 03

  You do gotta wonder the segment for sedan EVs, high-power, like, ask Lucid how that's going.

• 16:55Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, but the segment for M3s is hot.

• 16:57Speaker 03

  But this is no longer an M3. It's as much an M3 as the Mustang Mach-E is a Mustang.

• 17:03Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 17:03Speaker 03

  No.

• 17:04Doug DeMuro?

  No. It's a little different from that. How? Mustang Mach-E, well, the Mustang Mach-E is an SUV hatchback. The M3, this M3 sedan will, the current M3 is also a sedan.

• 17:12Speaker 03

  The M3 is the size of my grandpappy's 7 Series, for one. It's no longer a sports car whatsoever.

• 17:19Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  It's gonna look like the next generation M3 regardless.

• 17:25Doug DeMuro?

  It'll be priced like that and all that. I just hope they still do a guest version as well. And I have a suspicion that this isn't going to sell in great numbers. You know, somebody wrote into us and they were mad about our EV sales take. They were like, EVs were way up last year. Why didn't you say that?

• 17:37Speaker 04

  Because that's not the story.

• 17:38Doug DeMuro?

  That's not the story.

• 17:39Speaker 04

  We know what happened.

• 17:40Doug DeMuro?

  We're trying to change, we're trying to control the narrative, folks. No, the story is that the incentive goes away. People aren't buying the cars. Yes, overall sales were up. Let's see what happens this year.

• 17:50Speaker 04

  Also, global sales were up, period.

• 17:52Doug DeMuro?

  Which we talked about. I do want to see, I'm very curious what happens with a next generation M3, if it's fully electric. I do think that new class thing looks cool.

• 18:01Speaker 04

  Which is what this is based off too, right? This is the new, it's interesting, right? So every, even manufacturers that are pulled back from EVs, GM has done a huge write down, Ford has done a huge write down of their EV programs. They have all said, their leaders have said, they think that the timeline is a little longer, but they still really expect EVs to be the future of their brand. Just instead of being in 2030, it'll be in some year later.

• 18:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 18:23Speaker 04

  BMW kind of does need to continue to invest in this to be prepared for that. Will it be selling huge numbers? Maybe, maybe not. But they still need to have it.

• 18:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 18:32Speaker 04

  At some point.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Audi did kill the RS6 e-tron. You have to imagine the regular RS e-tron is not long for the world. Like, it's weird everyone else is retreating from the segment and BMW is jumping two feet into the deep end.

• 18:45Speaker 04

  They're retreating with some model, the RS e-tron has, the e-tron GT, whatever it's called, has been out for a while. It's a pretty dated product. Then they have pushed back release of other ones. This car is not coming out this year.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  Right, better not.

• 18:58Doug DeMuro?

  So like, it's 27 and we still don't know how the market's going to be. For all we know, there's going to, this exact car.

• 19:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 19:03Doug DeMuro?

  Is going to have a V8 also.

• 19:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  The Dodge strategy.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  BMW also, as all the German brands do, focus a lot on Europe as a core market. And I think in Europe, the performance EVs are a real play.

• 19:15Doug DeMuro?

  I guess we'll find out. I'm excited to see. I am excited that some of these details are pretty impressive. Quad motors is cool, shiftable stuff is cool, and it's got a heart of joy.

• 19:23Speaker 04

  Move on to the next story. Ah, yes. Also a heart of joy. Ford has teased, by the time you all are watching this, it will have come out, because it's coming out tomorrow, it's being revealed tomorrow, but Ford has teased that the Dark Horse Mustang will have a supercharger.

• 19:40Doug DeMuro?

  A blower.

• 19:41Speaker 04

  They haven't said it, they've implied.

• 19:43Doug DeMuro?

  We've all been talking about how the GT350 went away and the world is ending. Well, now they're coming out with some powerful stuff.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  Yep. How do you feel about it?

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Good. I mean, the GTD is so cool, that's the halo car. Then you need to have the whole product line to support it. This is that.

• 19:58Doug DeMuro?

  Well, this has 500 horsepower. The regular Dark Horse has 500 horsepower already.

• 20:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:01Doug DeMuro?

  So you gotta figure a blown one, six-ish something?

• 20:05Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 20:05Speaker 03

  You see the commonality here? The Americans are putting out the Corvette XXXX that goes 0 to 60 in 1.6. Supercharged Mustang is, 500 horsepower isn't enough. Americans are embracing...

• 20:18Doug DeMuro?

  Americans are embracing, we're doing power, we're doing big engines. The Japanese are doing dumb stuff nobody wants.

• 20:25Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 20:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:26Doug DeMuro?

  And the Germans have that electric thing.

• 20:28Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 20:29Doug DeMuro?

  So the world is really, we thought globalization would bring us all together, and instead, we're getting frayed.

• 20:35Speaker 04

  You gotta do what you're good at.

• 20:36Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta do what you're good at. There's no monoculture, even in the automotive industry globally. And on that subject, our next news story.

• 20:43Speaker 04

  The death of the plug-in hybrids.

• 20:45Doug DeMuro?

  Stellantis has killed all of its plug-in hybrids. Are you aware of this?

• 20:50Speaker 03

  I knew they were on a stop sale. I didn't know that they had just stopped selling.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  They were on a stop sale because there were a lot of fires.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  And so maybe they couldn't fix those fires and had to just stop selling.

• 20:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, we're not gonna say that, because it's not true and it's a sketch. The 4x8s are gone. So with great fanfare, a couple of years ago, Jeep came out with all these 4x8s, which we all called 4XE, until they told us we were wrong.

• 21:10Speaker 04

  Did you?

• 21:10Doug DeMuro?

  Everyone did, including you!

• 21:13Speaker 04

  No, 4x8 makes sense, that's a nice...

• 21:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I know, but the whole thing...

• 21:16Speaker 04

  4x4, 4x8.

• 21:17Doug DeMuro?

  God.

• 21:18Speaker 04

  Any point is...

• 21:20Doug DeMuro?

  The point is-

• 21:20Speaker 04

  You're a journalist for-

• 21:22Doug DeMuro?

  Every- no one knew. No one knew. We only saw it written. Um, the point is, now it's here, and now it's gone.

• 21:30Speaker 04

  It's sad. I'm legitimately sad about this.

• 21:31Doug DeMuro?

  Wasn't there a time when this was the most popular plugin?

• 21:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, all of last year, remember the year before that? A lot of that was fleet sales. If you go to your local Enterprise or similar, you'll see a lot of Wrangler 4x.

• 21:42Doug DeMuro?

  They were selling. Are you got union contracts, fleet sales?

• 21:45Speaker 04

  Right.

• 21:45Doug DeMuro?

  Gold, or at least silver.

• 21:47Speaker 04

  One time I had to go pick up a, like, subcompact and they're like, "Hey, do you want a 4x?" I was like, "No, I don't actually." The Wrangler is gone, the Grand Cherokee 4x is gone, the Pacifica plug-in hybrid.

• 21:59Doug DeMuro?

  The Pacifica plug-in hybrid is gone?

• 22:00Speaker 04

  It's gone. Which is the only plug-in hybrid minivan.

• 22:03Doug DeMuro?

  That was your favorite?

• 22:04Speaker 04

  That was my dream!

• 22:06Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the general reason, it was the only plug-in hybrid minivan. However, when I talked to, I have known an enormous number of fairly young parents who are all interested potentially in minivans, and the primary thought about the Pacifica plug-in hybrid was, "On paper, it looks the best, however, they're afraid it will not work." And I always had to explain to them, "You're right, it will not work."

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Correct. Sad, but true.

• 22:24Doug DeMuro?

  It will not ever run.

• 22:27Speaker 04

  Jeep was the most, like, everybody understands broadly in the industry that hybrids and plug-in hybrids are the way to electrification. Well, maybe not Salantus. Maybe they don't agree. Although, I will say, Tim-

• 22:40Doug DeMuro?

  Kniskas.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  Kniskas has said that plug-in hybrids will be back.

• 22:43Doug DeMuro?

  It makes sense that they will.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  Oh my goodness.

• 22:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 22:48Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, we gotta move on to our, is that our last news story?

• 22:50Speaker 04

  No, we have one more.

• 22:51Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we gotta move on to our next news story, which is manual transmissions. This is 7-speed. You know what that car that's in?

• 22:56Speaker 04

  Porsche.

• 22:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah! All right.

• 22:59Speaker 04

  Porsche guy, Porsche podcast.

• 23:01Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche podcast.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  Number one Porsche podcast in the world.

• 23:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you know, I'm kinda proud of that, because Spike was over here saying he was number one, and look at us!

• 23:08Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 23:08Doug DeMuro?

  We, all three of us, have Porsches, including you. And all Nick does is complain about how he doesn't want to talk about Porsches. Me too, by the way. And he's over here driving. Who has driven a Porsche the most?

• 23:17Speaker 04

  I know, that's what hit me, is that I'm putting 12,000 miles a year on a Porsche, so I'm King Porsche guy in this group.

• 23:23Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's got a $9,000 used Cayenne. Congratulations.

• 23:26Speaker 04

  I love it.

• 23:29Speaker 04

  Especially now that I no longer have a bent wheel on it, it drives so much better. Uh, okay. What's our manual transmission story? I apologize. I got stuck on a rug. All right. Our friends at Motor One asked every manufacturer Yeah. what the manual take rate was. Right. For each model in their lineup. Yep. Do you want to guess a few? Okay, give me a car and I guess? I would say a median is like 4%. All right. So BMW M2. M2? Yep. 15%? 30. 40% of M2s sold last year were manual. That's a huge number. Uh, M3s. We'll keep going. Uh, 15%? 35. All right. So M3. I wouldn't know what works. The base M3 is available with a manual. 50% of M3s that were available with a manual had a manual. M3, and once you add an M3 comps, M3. Yeah.

• 24:12Speaker 04

  XRs, whatever, uh, between 6 and 10%. Huh. That's actually not so bad considering that they really want you to get in the auto because the, they, the auto has the more power. Yep. The. Not bad. Yeah. Uh, CT5B Blackwing? 60. 15. 48%. The CT4V was 61. Wow. Yep. It shows you that there's a very small sliver of people who even want those cars and that small sliver. Wants a manual. Wants a manual. Uh, similarly, the Mira was 88% manual. The what car? The Lotus Mira. Wow. 88%. That makes sense. I mean, if you're not, if you're skipping a lot of traditional manufacturers, you want a non-traditional experience. Uh, let me ask you three more. Okay. 911s. Uh.

• 24:55Speaker 04

  Both, not, not including GT3s or others separated out. Uh, 2, 3%? 5? All right. So if you include all 911, like non-GT3 trims, 15%. I don't find. If you look just at the trims that were available with a manual. Yeah. Which I don't remember for 25, some of them, uh, 83%. Well, I think that's, isn't that only the Carrera T? I think that the time the base one may have been available with a manual too, but yeah. Isn't it 992.2? Anyway, okay, fine. I think it switched power through there. 87% of Carrera T. Basically, 83% of Carrera Ts had a manual. That's no surprise. That car is made. You're buying that for a manual. One of the great manual cars. Similarly, 83% of GT3 Tourings last year had a manual. Yeah, of course, of course. Uh, and I'll give you one more. The Subaru BRZ. Uh, you know?

• 25:42Doug DeMuro?

  60% manual, probably higher, 65. What is it?

• 25:46Speaker 03

  I feel like Subaru would screw this up. 30%?

• 25:49Speaker 04

  My goodness. Subaru BRZ was 90% manual.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  Now, the GR86, which is identical, only 52%.

• 25:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's lower. One of them is way lower. You know, I will say though, when they come up for sale, I get why you said, but when I've watched them come up for sale, they're always manual.

• 26:03Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 26:04Doug DeMuro?

  Very rare to see an auto.

• 26:05Speaker 04

  Yep. Tacoma's 1%.

• 26:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but that's still probably a pretty big number of cars.

• 26:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:12Doug DeMuro?

  Because BRZ's, GR86 is half of 7,000 sales were manuals. 1% of Tacomas, they sell 20,000 Tacomas a year.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  What is interesting is Volkswagen, only the GLI in 2025 with the stick.

• 26:23Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 26:23Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 26:24Speaker 04

  Because the GTI and Golf R are automatic only. I looked, in 2024, GTIs and Golf Rs were both around 50% manual take.

• 26:30Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, and they got rid of the manual. How insane. This company is so lost.

• 26:34Speaker 04

  It's so insane.

• 26:35Doug DeMuro?

  They cannot find their own way. They are such a disaster.

• 26:38Speaker 04

  You have 50% of people choosing it for a manual, and yet they are not.

• 26:43Doug DeMuro?

  They got rid. So what was GLI?

• 26:44Speaker 04

  45%.

• 26:45Doug DeMuro?

  45%?

• 26:46Speaker 04

  So clearly people still want.

• 26:47Doug DeMuro?

  They're gonna cancel that one too, and they're gonna give us, you know what they're gonna do? After taking a year off with the ID Buzz, they're gonna come back with a more expensive, longer version.

• 26:54Speaker 03

  Okay, of that list he has, if you just average all of them, it's 53%.

• 26:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 26:59Speaker 03

  So if you offer a manual, more than half the time, people take it. Did he just say that?

• 27:03Speaker 04

  That doesn't reasonable take, but it's not how I would do that math.

• 27:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's not how it works.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  It is.

• 27:08Speaker 04

  I'm gonna be honest.

• 27:09Speaker 03

  And Korea and Tokyo are very close together, but we digress.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  On this list is the Pagani Utopia, where apparently 75% of them are manual, but they sold three.

• 27:18Doug DeMuro?

  Me, me?

• 27:18Speaker 04

  They sold four.

• 27:19Doug DeMuro?

  Three out of the four. He's averaging all of them together.

• 27:22Speaker 03

  It's math, alright?

• 27:23Doug DeMuro?

  It's math. You got it, bud. Alright, we gotta move on to the Talk Car segment. Talk Car segment is sponsored by Nick is a Porsche Guy.

• 27:29Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 27:30Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, a Porsche guy. And I want to start the Talk Car segment with some horrible news. Last week I announced, or two weeks ago, I don't remember when we did this podcast last, feels like an attorney. I announced.

• 27:42Doug DeMuro?

  You got the car mom. Okay, I announced that I was interested in a Lexus LX. And a couple of days later, Kelly, the car mom, who I think is the greatest automotive influencer, and I mean that sincerely. She made a video talking about how terrible the Lexus LX is for families. Uh, it doesn't have child tethers in the third row. It's too tight. This little bar blocks car seats. It sounds like it's a nightmare, honestly. And Kelly, all she does is take car seats in and out of cars and film them. She's like, it's like an incredible gig. Like, she's really good at this. So if she says it's bad, it's bad. So I showed this reel to my wife. Cause I've been, we've been talking about how I want an over trail. I want an over trail. I want an over trail. Showed this reel to my wife. She said, we are not under any circumstances getting this car. Um, so I think we're 50 50.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, that sounds right. By the way, everything she pointed out were questions I asked you about your purchase.

• 28:32Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean?

• 28:33Speaker 04

  I asked, do you think you can actually fit three people across in the second?

• 28:36Doug DeMuro?

  You can fit three across in the second row. No question.

• 28:38Speaker 04

  With two car seats?

• 28:39Doug DeMuro?

  It is harder if car seats.

• 28:41Speaker 04

  I asked whether you have space in the trunk. Of course I did. I asked if you had space in the trunk. You also said.

• 28:45Doug DeMuro?

  There is a ton of space in the trunk.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  Regardless, she and I are on the same page.

• 28:49Doug DeMuro?

  Look, I think the, the over trail. You gotta understand something. And, and Kelly, I, I emailed Kelly in a panic after this. And she got back to me. It was very nice. We had a little exchange in which she told me I should get a Defender. She said that that's the best. If you want an adventure car.

• 29:06Speaker 04

  130?

• 29:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's kid capable. The Defender's the one. And I was like, no.

• 29:09Speaker 04

  I had one. Good.

• 29:11Doug DeMuro?

  And she said, she called me a unicorn.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Um, yeah.

• 29:15Doug DeMuro?

  In the sense that what I'm looking for.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  So many senses.

• 29:18Doug DeMuro?

  It doesn't really exist.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  And so many senses.

• 29:20Doug DeMuro?

  Thank you so much. And so I don't know what to do.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  Keep your Sequoia.

• 29:25Doug DeMuro?

  No, I don't want to keep the Sequoia.

• 29:27Speaker 04

  Well.

• 29:28Doug DeMuro?

  Here's what I want.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  QX80.

• 29:30Doug DeMuro?

  I want a car that is off, no, that doesn't have the off-road equipment I'm looking for. Abs, dude.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  Armada Pro Forex.

• 29:37Doug DeMuro?

  I want a car, I want to be able to have three across in the back. Ideally with car seats, off-road capability, it's great self-driving, and I want it to not look like the Sequoia. Like, when I'm driving it around, I don't want people to think that guy was there on January 6th. You know what I'm saying? I don't mind it to look, and I've said that, I'm on the record saying, I don't mind it to look a little Republican. That's like totally fine with me. We have an E-Class wagon, which in my opinion is the most subtle Republican car.

• 30:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:05Doug DeMuro?

  I just don't want it to look like I am literally carrying around a trove of firearms in the trunk. Do you know what I'm saying?

• 30:11Speaker 03

  Right. We can't do a Tahoe.

• 30:13Doug DeMuro?

  Tahoe, I think, is less. It's so out there. But I also want it to last for a long time, and so we can't do a Tahoe. Dude, I have a neighbor who bought a Tahoe diesel. Dude's getting 800 miles on a tank of gas. 800 miles on a tank of gas. This car won't last. That's, that's my problem with Land Rover. I want, I want to buy this car, and I never want to talk about buying a daily driver again as long as I live. Ever.

• 30:36Speaker 03

  That's gonna be tough. Also, their configurator doesn't look.

• 30:39Doug DeMuro?

  That says everything you need to know. Anyway, the car mom has talked me out of a Lexus LX. I am screwed now.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  Does that mean, and I hate to ask a question and prolong more discussion over this car I could care less about, but does that mean Filippo's attempts to lowball the selling dealer did not pan out?

• 30:55Doug DeMuro?

  Can I tell you what happened? Okay, so I, I mentioned, this is a great story. There's a great ending to this. I mentioned last week on the pod that I was particularly interested in this one LX over trail at a dealer in Chicago. It was CPO. And I'm, I only want a CPO car. They're like 15 grand off, the warranty's longer, I only want a CPO. I don't care about the mileage. So Filippo reaches out like 20 times, "I want a, give me, give me a deal, give me a deal." The dealer's like, "We won't go, we won't deal, we won't deal. This is our price, this is our price."

• 31:19Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 31:19Doug DeMuro?

  A few days later, they email Filippo, and they're like, "We're gonna come down on price $500." And then, and then Filippo's like, "Okay, I want a deal on that number." And they're like, "Nope, we're firm now at this number."

• 31:34Speaker 04

  They said by email to me that they were firm at their asking, which was 111 something.

• 31:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  Two days later, I get an automated email saying the price on the car you like reached out about went down $500. So I emailed them. They didn't email me proactively. I was like, do you have a little bit of extra flexibility now? No, we're firm.

• 31:51Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, the cars brought their lot since October. I'm not particularly interested in this car anymore because I don't want to deal with all this.

• 31:56Speaker 03

  And then didn't Sean, the producer Sean, Sean S E A N at cars and bids.com, did email them also and Sean claimed he got it down like 20 grand and then they went quiet.

• 32:07Doug DeMuro?

  I told them I would hit it at 102 and because they want 112. He said he got him to 102, but then for some reason, they never call, ever saw a sales contract.

• 32:15Speaker 04

  Got him to, got them to 102.

• 32:17Doug DeMuro?

  I'm, I'm, I'm not sure if I should even do this anymore. I reached out to the press car people, which I never do. And I said, can I get a press car that's to figure out if it's going to work with my family? And they said they don't have one anymore. So we're screwed, dude.

• 32:29Speaker 03

  You're, you're not getting an Alex 100.

• 32:31Doug DeMuro?

  Why not? My sports cars have, you finish it for me?

• 32:34Speaker 03

  No.

• 32:34Doug DeMuro?

  My sports cars have three pedals and my SUVs have three lockers. Am I right?

• 32:40Speaker 03

  I, I don't think I have those.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  You have neither.

• 32:42Doug DeMuro?

  Three lockers, you do not.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  Or pedals.

• 32:44Doug DeMuro?

  Or you do not have three pedals. So.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  It's unclear what will work in the Land Rover at any given time, but if I had three lockers, they would not have, I'd have one and a half. We just, just don't.

• 32:54Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Anyway, that's the situation with that.

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• 34:22Speaker 04

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• 34:29Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, we got to talk also about the Coinbase NSX. So, yes, look at this. This is one of the craziest things that we've ever done on cars and bits. We've got this deal with Coinbase. Can you introduce the promotion?

• 34:39Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 34:40Doug DeMuro?

  The car.

• 34:40Speaker 04

  All right, so we are working with Coinbase, which is like the largest American cryptocurrency exchange.

• 34:45Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 34:46Speaker 04

  For Bitcoin and all other cryptos to auction the NSX off for USDC, which is a stablecoin pegged to the US dollar.

• 34:53Doug DeMuro?

  So, so we find this NSX. This car has 320,000 miles. We plucked it out of the Midwest. It's a one owner car. And we're now auctioning it on the site. Remains a one owner car because we didn't title it.

• 35:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:09Doug DeMuro?

  And so you can get, you can be the second owner of this 320,000 mile 95 NSXT.

• 35:16Doug DeMuro?

  I drove this car around. We're doing some real work to the car to make sure that it's like really prepped and ready for sale. I mean, it's, it's going to be like really, really ready to go. However, I drove the car pre-engine work and it drove amazingly. And we've all been talking in the office about how there's no way any Ferrari would have made it to 320,000 miles, let alone drive as well. You couldn't tell this car had no wear. Everything was perfect. The only thing when we got it and the only item in the entire interior that was worn was the cruise control button, which I think gives you an idea of how the previous owner was using it. So it's, you know, a lot of engine time at low, at idle speeds on freeways. But it was incredible to drive this car. No other exotic car I can think of could do this kind of miles and stay in this kind of shape.

• 35:58Doug DeMuro?

  Proving the testament of what everybody's always said about the NSX. It was like a Ferrari, but a reliable one. And this car is that.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  It's truly, we have service records going back a long way.

• 36:06Doug DeMuro?

  But it's not like this required like.

• 36:09Speaker 04

  Monthly maintenance to get to that point. No, it just didn't.

• 36:12Doug DeMuro?

  It was a Honda.

• 36:13Speaker 04

  It was a Honda.

• 36:13Doug DeMuro?

  The dude did 320,000 miles in a Honda like you might do in an Odyssey, taking your kids to hockey games.

• 36:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 36:19Doug DeMuro?

  And, but it was an NSX.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  He was an engineer or something of that sort in Indiana and like just clearly drove it on the highway.

• 36:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  And to be fair, he had it for 30 years.

• 36:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  And did 300,000 miles, 10,000 miles a year-ish. Like, that's a normal use for your daily driver.

• 36:33Doug DeMuro?

  He told us, he told us, go back to the, the, he told us that he initially bought an automatic, wasn't the story? And he realized it wasn't for him, replaced it with a manual and he had the automatic for like six months, replaced it with a manual and it for 30 years.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  Had it since.

• 36:48Doug DeMuro?

  And 320,000.

• 36:49Speaker 04

  The condition is.

• 36:50Doug DeMuro?

  Have you driven this car?

• 36:51Speaker 04

  No.

• 36:52Doug DeMuro?

  It's really ni- have you driven it?

• 36:53Speaker 04

  No. Somehow I have.

• 36:55Doug DeMuro?

  So, so, so nice. Look at that. 82.

• 36:58Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 36:59Doug DeMuro?

  That's a lot of money back in 95.

• 37:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  It is.

• 37:01Speaker 04

  And then he added a CD changer.

• 37:03Doug DeMuro?

  CD changer.

• 37:04Speaker 04

  How much do you think that is?

• 37:05Speaker 03

  For 900 bucks at that day currency?

• 37:07Doug DeMuro?

  Probably 160, 170.

• 37:09Speaker 04

  175,000.

• 37:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 37:10Speaker 03

  How much was the CD charger in today's money?

• 37:12Doug DeMuro?

  1800 bucks. It's about double.

• 37:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, double. 1900.

• 37:17Doug DeMuro?

  1800 bucks for a CD changer. But think about how many hours he was listening to CD. This dude knew what he needed.

• 37:24Speaker 04

  Crazy. I'm excited about the auction. This car is just wild. There are no comps, but.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:28Doug DeMuro?

  No comps.

• 37:28Speaker 04

  We have no idea what to sell for.

• 37:30Doug DeMuro?

  We have no idea what to tell you to pay for it. No NSX has ever come up with miles like this. The ones that have high miles tend to have been passed around to 14 people and they're lowered, which is, is, it's fine. Like, there's, the, the community deserves cheaper ones to. But this car isn't that. Like, OE wheels, like, this is a clean, clean, clean, clean.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  With a lot in maintenance. We're getting a bunch of work done at like the shop in Southern California for these cars. It's.

• 37:54Speaker 03

  Also, and I apologize if you already said this and I tuned out, but there's no accidents?

• 37:58Speaker 04

  No.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Like statistically, driving 300 and some thousand miles.

• 38:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 38:02Speaker 03

  Someone's gonna rear end you, you're gonna scrape a door like Hoovy did with his gullwing.

• 38:06Doug DeMuro?

  Happen intersections and I, I honestly bet 300 to 1,000 of the miles.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  Was this guy working like a hotshot rig? Like, that's crazy.

• 38:13Doug DeMuro?

  It was just.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  It's over 30 years.

• 38:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I know, but still.

• 38:17Speaker 04

  No accidents, no rust, the body looks great.

• 38:20Doug DeMuro?

  Car was clean despite being in Indiana.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  Is this your goal for the Fiat 500? Another 25 years, 10,000 miles.

• 38:26Speaker 04

  My goal for the VF500 is to either drop it off a cliff or sell it.

• 38:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what people have been saying, but uh it's still around. I door dinged it earlier, getting into that Lexus.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  I told Kenan, Kenan asked whether he could do a video cleaning it. And I said, I don't care. And I also said that I am ambivalent between him doing a video cleaning it and him doing a video showing you how to key a car. I care the same amount for whichever.

• 38:48Doug DeMuro?

  Sean is telling me that the NSX was driven every year to the guy's summer house in Florida.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 38:53Doug DeMuro?

  Probably, he means winter house in Florida, I would assume.

• 38:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know.

• 38:57Doug DeMuro?

  But that explains also why there's no rust because presumably it wasn't in Indiana during that time.

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 39:03Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, what a special car. Super excited to see what it sells for. Obviously happy to do the partnership with Coinbase, who's been a wonderful partner in this and very supportive of us. Finding this really special car and, and, and doing this promotion, which I think is really cool. But I'm especially excited to see where the market values this car. From, from, I'll tell you this, from a drivability perspective, from a usability perspective, it feels like a car with 30,000 miles. The market will not value it at that number.

• 39:26Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 39:26Doug DeMuro?

  But then you gotta wonder like, where does it, I don't know.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't have any idea. I, before I bought my N91, we've obviously had this car around for a little bit as we were filming all the content. We knew it was gonna come up for sale. I've considered.

• 39:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, just buying it.

• 39:39Speaker 04

  I don't think that it's that different in price.

• 39:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 39:41Speaker 04

  From, from, like, but it could be worth it.

• 39:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. It's an amazing car. It's also a lot of fun to drive. It is, that car is so well balanced and the, the shifter and clutch are so slick. It is just such a nice car.

• 39:52Speaker 04

  I'm worried it'll be a real pricey car.

• 39:54Doug DeMuro?

  Not worried, I mean like great. I don't think so. I think the market is gonna, is gonna hit it for the miles, but someone who buys it, who wants a driver, is gonna get really, really, really a great car.

• 40:01Speaker 04

  They can be the second owner of an 1995 NSX G.

• 40:04Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I wanna talk about Mickey's hot dogs, um, in Mesa.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, gladly. I'm gonna be at the, at an event that we're throwing alongside Avant, actually a car community.

• 40:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 40:16Speaker 04

  During Arizona Car Week.

• 40:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 40:18Speaker 04

  Uh, or Arizona Auction Week, whatever they're, they're calling it down there to try to make it a thing. Uh, on Friday, the 23rd. I will be there. Nick, I believe, will be there.

• 40:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  Uh, but Nick has not made any hot dog offers.

• 40:28Doug DeMuro?

  Is this event, it's, it's not actually at Mickey's, it's near Mickey's.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  It's near Mickey's. It is at a place called The Warehouse.

• 40:34Doug DeMuro?

  Is this that open to the public?

• 40:35Speaker 04

  You have to be at Avance member or we have some number of reserved entries. If you enter from our community post, that is.

• 40:42Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so we linked the community post. If you go on to the events part of Cars and Bids, you'll see this there. You can enter and you can get in or you can join Avance, which is a really cool like car social organization. And again, the best car there, Filippo is gonna take you out afterwards to Mickey's Hot Dogs. Folks, I don't know if you've been to Mickey's, but it's over on, it's over on, it's on Broadway and McDonald's there in Mesa. And it's great stuff. They got relish there. Nick, you ever been to Mickey's?

• 41:11Speaker 03

  No, I've been to the Wiener Circle in Chicago.

• 41:13Doug DeMuro?

  You ever spend time in Mesa, Nick?

• 41:16Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, of course. I mean, I lived in Tempe. This was like backyard. Tempe Mesa is like, there's very blurry distinction.

• 41:23Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you never went over to Mickey's at that time?

• 41:25Speaker 03

  Been a vegetarian for 20 years.

• 41:30Doug DeMuro?

  You think Mickey's doesn't have a vegetarian menu?

• 41:32Speaker 03

  They might. I'll go. The caveat here with this contest is I'm either bringing the multiple or the SLR. Either way, I have a good out of winning Filippo's favorite car.

• 41:41Doug DeMuro?

  I just clicked on the menu for Mickey's.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  My goodness.

• 41:43Doug DeMuro?

  Here are the options. Tacos, tortas, burritos, tostadas, drinks. That's it. Filippo will not be buying you a hot dog at Mickey's, but he might buy you a tostada. Mickey's had to change when Phoenix changed, Mickey's changed right along with it. Had to adapt.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  Do we think that everybody watching is incredibly surprised that Nick, with everything they know about Nick, is a vegetarian?

• 42:06Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe he only just revealed it. Folks, Nick is a vegetarian. There was a time he was a vegan, but I pried him back into reality with pizza.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  I also eat fish and if I know the person that's killed the animal. Like the last, the last I had, I think it was elk, maybe.

• 42:24Doug DeMuro?

  Up at your father's.

• 42:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, in Wyoming, yeah.

• 42:27Doug DeMuro?

  Nick goes up to Wyoming every so often and he texts us and he says, I couldn't move here.

• 42:31Speaker 03

  I'd said the same thing with Arizona last week.

• 42:32Doug DeMuro?

  And then he, yeah.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  You know, Arizona has like no laws. You can just do whatever you want. We went to a pool and kids are just like belly flopping off of.

• 42:44Doug DeMuro?

  They outlaw belly flopping in California. It's not actually in Imperial County, you can still belly. But, but here in San Diego County and in Orange County, you're not even allowed to get in.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  It is tied to whether they have emissions restrictions or not.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  There was like no lifeguards, nothing. I get back, they, I can't even get a grocery bag.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  They don't have lights. You're supportive.

• 43:03Speaker 03

  Crazy.

• 43:03Speaker 04

  I have, we gotta move on.

• 43:05Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Move on to.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  Arizona's amazing.

• 43:07Doug DeMuro?

  We want to move on to Nick talking about his next project car. Nick, go ahead.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  Ah, well, there's a lot to unpack here.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  There sure is.

• 43:14Speaker 03

  The multipla, I'm done with. I've given it to Filippo.

• 43:17Speaker 04

  I'm not done with it.

• 43:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, Filippo's got it. And he's like, Nick, do you know it's leaking fluid everywhere? I'm like, yes.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  I, I knew that. I just got a little word.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  Disclose that to you? Sorry. I don't know.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  When I got in the car, there was some, some light on the dash that I didn't recognize. So I checked it.

• 43:32Doug DeMuro?

  The glow plugs.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  There's a glow plug and then there's an injector light.

• 43:36Doug DeMuro?

  When you first turn it on, a light comes on for glow plugs.

• 43:38Speaker 04

  No, no, no. There was one that sustained. It was an injector light.

• 43:41Speaker 03

  We're working on it.

• 43:42Doug DeMuro?

  When I just, I want to be clear though. This car has not been given, given to Filippo. It's not like your car now. We're gonna sell this car on car.

• 43:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 43:49Doug DeMuro?

  If you're waiting for a bad multipla.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  No, it's the best multipla, which is still a bad multipla, but like.

• 43:54Doug DeMuro?

  So you remember when Nick sold his bad color Mercy Lago? He's now gonna sell his good color, but bad multipla.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  Well, I sold.

• 44:01Doug DeMuro?

  And one of these days, he's gonna just have a good car. God, Filippo.

• 44:05Speaker 04

  That'd be too easy.

• 44:06Doug DeMuro?

  Coffee this weekend.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:07Doug DeMuro?

  And Perry's asking Nick, I don't know, were you around for this?

• 44:09Speaker 04

  I don't know where he's going.

• 44:10Doug DeMuro?

  From Atlanta, he came down here. Hi Perry. And we were asking, Perry was like, Nick, this SLS, pretty nice. It's a nice car. What's the price? How many miles? And Nick said, oh, 5,000 miles. Perry said, I can't believe you only paid whatever. Nick said, yeah, it was a really good deal. I don't know. And I'm standing there listening to this and I go, Nick, it was on fire. And Nick's like, oh, you know, yeah, there was a fire. I get, he was gonna, he was trying to, he was like mentally trying not to.

• 44:35Speaker 04

  Fire was a long time ago, buddy. Can I say two things about the Multpla? Because I drove it a bunch, yeah, which was the life. Let's hear it. First of all, my, we, when I lived in Italy, my family had two Fiat. We had three or two of that key. And it just felt so like correct to be using that key.

• 44:52Doug DeMuro?

  Brought Filippo back to his childhood when he would go to the town square and play soccer until dinner time, until it got dark with the little kids. The town square next to the church.

• 45:00Speaker 04

  We actually had like a little long driveway next to a church, as it were. And we'd play in that long driveway or in the church parking lot, but.

• 45:08Doug DeMuro?

  Suddenly, man.

• 45:08Speaker 04

  Really.

• 45:09Doug DeMuro?

  There's always a church.

• 45:11Speaker 04

  There always is, but it was so good in that way. Also, I decided that it's the least antagonistic car. Like, you can't look angry at somebody because it's all windows. Like, you're in a 911. You're my 911, or even like the GTI, like there's some tint, it's low, you don't have that much visibility. It's like an angry seeming car.

• 45:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 45:31Speaker 04

  You can't, you have to be nice to your neighbors in Multpla because they can see everything. Yeah.

• 45:36Doug DeMuro?

  That's true.

• 45:36Speaker 04

  It's like a very like friendly car. So, and they're looking. There's a lot of sociology about like. A lot of people are looking. There's a lot of sociology about how people, when they're in their cars, like disconnect a little bit and like feel a sense of protection and like. Yeah, you feel exposed. Rudely as a result of that space. Multpla, not true.

• 45:52Doug DeMuro?

  So you're driving it, but you're gonna stop driving it because.

• 45:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:54Doug DeMuro?

  The last guy who drove it around a little bit, it broke down and had, and that spent like two weeks.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  We fixed it up, yeah.

• 45:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, for now.

• 45:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, I am 100% gonna stop driving it.

• 46:01Doug DeMuro?

  When you buy this car, it's worth.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  It's the only Multpla here and it's so delightful as a result. I love it.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  It's got a little leak, but so that's selling soon when we do our amazing adventure series.

• 46:12Speaker 04

  Two and a half.

• 46:13Speaker 03

  That's gonna be coming live to the channels, which means I've already want to spend the money I haven't collected yet on.

• 46:20Doug DeMuro?

  Which, by the way, four grand. That car's worth four grand.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  No, no, it'll do well.

• 46:24Speaker 03

  I meant it like 15, so I really hope you're wrong.

• 46:26Speaker 04

  That car, are you gonna do anything to try to make the paint or interior look nicer?

• 46:30Doug DeMuro?

  I thought about it, but. 15 when it's in that shape?

• 46:33Speaker 03

  Well, I spent like 13 getting it here, then like 100 or 2K at Missalani.

• 46:38Speaker 04

  You'll get the money back, legitimately.

• 46:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, there is, I'll bet you a thousand dollars right now, that thing doesn't even get close to fifteen.

• 46:45Speaker 03

  Well, I'm just gonna assume it brings fifteen to twenty.

• 46:48Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, alright.

• 46:48Speaker 03

  And I'll tack that on some of the Arnage funds.

• 46:52Doug DeMuro?

  The car that you lost ten grand on.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  I've got a considerate sum of money here to spend on the next project car.

• 46:57Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, alright, so, so, to me, you're at, you're at, you're at like negative twenty. To you, you're up like thirty.

• 47:03Speaker 03

  Alright. It's just cash, right, we're doing cash basis here. It doesn't matter, the past is the past, much like the fire in the SLR, it happened a long time ago and it doesn't matter.

• 47:14Doug DeMuro?

  I love your point being that you got paid for the Arnage. Even though you lost a lot of money, you still got seventeen thousand dollars.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  Money in a low-interest savings account that needs to be invested more wisely.

• 47:23Speaker 04

  P and L is just the profit part. There's no expenditures, it's just accounts payable.

• 47:29Doug DeMuro?

  That's exactly what it is. That's exactly what it is. The actual spend to purchase the car doesn't make it onto the statement, only what he gets back.

• 47:38Speaker 04

  Which is great accounting.

• 47:39Doug DeMuro?

  And by the way, by the way, I think even if you figured that, he's still lost on the Arnage.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  So bad.

• 47:45Doug DeMuro?

  What are you considering?

• 47:48Speaker 03

  Part of me, so the SRT ten RAM is still very high on the list.

• 47:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 47:52Speaker 03

  Hard to find one that's meeting my specific needs, but there is one in Phoenix that I want to check out when we're back for Car Week.

• 47:57Doug DeMuro?

  You want a quad cab, right?

• 47:59Speaker 03

  I do want quad cab, which is a bummer for the trans, because you get an auto, but...

• 48:02Doug DeMuro?

  You could probably swap him.

• 48:03Speaker 03

  Probably swap him.

• 48:04Speaker 04

  How small the rear doors are.

• 48:06Doug DeMuro?

  Well, what's the rear look like?

• 48:07Speaker 03

  I got small kids, they don't need to be big doors.

• 48:11Doug DeMuro?

  What's the rear look like?

• 48:12Speaker 03

  Can we give this to the car mom?

• 48:13Doug DeMuro?

  It's pretty tight. Kelly?

• 48:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:15Doug DeMuro?

  She's got four kids, dude.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  Dude, look, the three of them right there, it's wide.

• 48:19Doug DeMuro?

  What about the other people?

• 48:20Speaker 03

  Throw some in the bed.

• 48:22Doug DeMuro?

  She's like a car technician. She's like never gonna put her kids in the bed. You on the other hand.

• 48:28Speaker 03

  Meanwhile, the multiplier, the seat belts don't even lock, like they're just loosely...

• 48:31Doug DeMuro?

  Multiples dangerous for adults, you know, kids alike.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  As a kid, that was a safe car.

• 48:37Doug DeMuro?

  But that was a family vehicle.

• 48:38Speaker 03

  There's an R sixty-three that just went live on Facebook Marketplace, previously sold on Cars and Bids, that I'm eighty percent sure is a scam, but might be real.

• 48:46Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, why are you announcing this?

• 48:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 48:49Doug DeMuro?

  You have two days to buy this car.

• 48:50Speaker 03

  It's a free market.

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• 49:19Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, if you're on Facebook Marketplace in Valley Stream, New York, which is just north of the city, you're now competition for Nick on this R63. Go for it, people.

• 49:29Speaker 03

  If they beat me to the punch, they're welcome to have it. The guy asked to FaceTime right now to show it to me.

• 49:34Doug DeMuro?

  Do that. You didn't do that?

• 49:35Speaker 03

  I can call him right now if you want on air, but I figured we'll wait.

• 49:38Doug DeMuro?

  Right after.

• 49:39Speaker 03

  Okay, then I really want an E55 wagon to manual swap.

• 49:42Doug DeMuro?

  A 211.

• 49:43Speaker 03

  But that one's the hardest to find of all of them.

• 49:44Doug DeMuro?

  I think that's...

• 49:45Speaker 03

  An 211, right?

• 49:46Doug DeMuro?

  That car is not... Didn't you ever see the ad with the monster?

• 49:51Speaker 03

  No, I'm sorry, what? Look, that guy that put it on Volks, like, you can mess with these cars. They're not...

• 49:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it's not about keeping the car original. I just don't think that the character of the car lends itself. It's a big, like, fast, straight-line situation.

• 50:06Speaker 03

  My car's got one or two diff lockers and my...

• 50:11Doug DeMuro?

  You know, E63s have a manual. I don't know.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  Third row was...

• 50:15Doug DeMuro?

  Night wagons.

• 50:15Speaker 03

  Third row was there. It was available for you as a line.

• 50:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's so true.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  It's okay.

• 50:21Doug DeMuro?

  My cars have three rows, but even then it wouldn't have been...

• 50:25Speaker 04

  E63s are down.

• 50:27Doug DeMuro?

  E63s are pretty cheap, but he wants the blown V8, which I agree with. I actually owned this body E63. And I prefer the E55.

• 50:34Speaker 03

  If I do a 63, I want the R. If I do a 55, I want the wagon.

• 50:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think that makes sense.

• 50:39Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 50:40Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I'm excited for you. I hope this goes in certain directions, and I hope it doesn't go in other directions. So we'll see.

• 50:46Speaker 03

  You want a Ram?

• 50:48Doug DeMuro?

  Here's my order of preference. R63, although I think you'll get tired of it, even quicker than the Multipla. E55 wagon, it's nice and... Really hope you don't manual swap it. And then lowest on the list is the Ram. Only because it's a tip. The stick ones are cool as hell.

• 51:02Speaker 03

  There's also a Maybach 57 I've been sending to the group. They've dropped the price. It's got 136,000 miles. But at some price, you gotta say yes, right? And I don't know what that price is, but it starts with a 2.

• 51:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. We haven't sold a 57 in forever.

• 51:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, and non-S, but it's fine. They're pretty cool.

• 51:21Doug DeMuro?

  So you're gonna become a Mercedes Benz man?

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Just for now.

• 51:23Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna follow along?

• 51:25Speaker 03

  Until the BMW M3 EV comes out, then we'll switch.

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• 52:56Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, I'm thrilled with that. Speaking of things I think you should consider, I want to move on to the market report.

• 53:02Speaker 03

  All right.

• 53:03Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the market report, by the way, is brought to you by Cars and Bids.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  I'm proud of you.

• 53:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's an auction website, I think. Okay, click, type in Quattroporte.

• 53:11Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 53:13Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I know we don't like these Quattro Portes, but are you, this is a 12 car.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  You know what, I saw one on the road the other day and I swear to God, I thought, eh, it looks pretty cool.

• 53:21Doug DeMuro?

  Let us see the miles.

• 53:22Speaker 03

  They're long and menacing and, yeah.

• 53:24Doug DeMuro?

  They're, they're long and menacing. Like, the Gibli's kinda suck, but like, click on, click on.

• 53:29Speaker 03

  It kinda looks like a gangster car, you know, like.

• 53:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that, that, it kinda looks like a gangster car.

• 53:33Speaker 03

  And I was like, I would not disrespect that guy's wife, you know?

• 53:36Doug DeMuro?

  But if it was a Ghibli, you would. You would disrespect his wife, his children, his whole family. I agree.

• 53:41Speaker 03

  I'd be like, they probably had it coming.

• 53:42Doug DeMuro?

  They probably had it coming. But this car, you see him and you're like, oh.

• 53:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, that guy knows some dangerous people.

• 53:48Doug DeMuro?

  He knows some people, or he is one of those people. Go to the interior, does it look nice inside?

• 53:52Speaker 03

  But then he chose the Oregon vineyard plate.

• 53:53Doug DeMuro?

  The wine country, yeah. Well, it's unreadable. Let me tell you something, if you live in a, if you're ever wondering why someone has chosen a specific license plate in some states, it's unreadable.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 54:03Doug DeMuro?

  That's why. We don't actually want to save the manatee in Florida. We don't care. We're different to the manatee. But the license plate is unreadable.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, a lot of what, also, I forgot that ignition was on the left.

• 54:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I didn't know that I ever knew that.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  You reviewed one of these cars.

• 54:18Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think I did ever review a Quattro Porte of this body style.

• 54:21Speaker 03

  After the Ghibli, you were like, no. I went for 12.

• 54:24Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you know, at one point, they did a V8. So, I agree with you that the, the true Italian Quattro Porte, the one you had, is like the real one, but at 12.

• 54:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 54:32Doug DeMuro?

  And it kinda looks cool. It kinda looks like people aren't disrespecting your family.

• 54:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. Same, I mean, your point on the Levante was also true, right? Like, they're laughably bad at retail new, but at some point, you're like, oh, this is kind of a logical thing to do.

• 54:46Doug DeMuro?

  Totally. And I always felt the Levante drove pretty well. I, I never thought really the Ghibli drove that well, but this car I bet is okay, especially at 12. What does a backseat look like? You know, pretty nice. Oh, my God.

• 54:56Speaker 03

  I started to watch your Ghibli review. Oh, wow, those pillows.

• 54:59Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think the car mom would, would be supportive of this?

• 55:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:02Doug DeMuro?

  From now on, I'm only gonna buy cars if I run by the car mom first.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  I think you need a collab here.

• 55:07Doug DeMuro?

  I went on her pod once. I love, I, I'm telling you, she's the greatest automotive influencer.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:12Doug DeMuro?

  And then her and Harry.

• 55:14Speaker 03

  Harry's garage, same vibe.

• 55:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, you could put some, a couple of car seats. You'd hurt the leather.

• 55:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I don't think this, I think this is like Chrysler stuff.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  The car's hurt, you know, it's.

• 55:25Doug DeMuro?

  So anyway, they did a V8. Can you pull up Quattroporte?

• 55:28Speaker 03

  Is 12 an outlier or that?

• 55:29Doug DeMuro?

  No, well, it's got 85,000, 88,000 miles. But can you pull up Quattroporte, sort by like newest or highest price or something? Like, I want to know what the V8s went for. This one, GTS, yeah, that's a V8.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  That's a V8, but that was in 21.

• 55:43Doug DeMuro?

  That, click on that.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Can't imagine it's more now.

• 55:45Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, 31. This car actually looks pretty cool and it's got a big old V8. What was the horsepower rating? 525 horsepower.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  You know, you got mad at me when I got rid of my P38 and replaced it with another P38?

• 55:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 03

  That's better. Don't you think replacing my Quattroporte for another Quattroporte?

• 56:03Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe. You'd rather have a Rapide? But Rapides are big money. They're like double this.

• 56:07Speaker 03

  They're like 35.

• 56:08Doug DeMuro?

  Are they?

• 56:08Speaker 03

  They're not 60. I thought they were like 60. The facelift ones are, but the pre-facelift, you can find them under 40.

• 56:13Doug DeMuro?

  Do lowest price.

• 56:14Speaker 03

  Stradman bought his for like 37 from a dealer.

• 56:17Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 56:18Doug DeMuro?

  This one have 200,000 miles.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, which is 200,000 in the modern world.

• 56:23Doug DeMuro?

  That's the NSX, the one owner NSX.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  The opposite of the NSX.

• 56:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, look at that liar there. But yeah, they're, they're in the 40s.

• 56:31Doug DeMuro?

  Man, V12. I forgot these had a V12. Look at that. You're thinking about one of these? Is this on your list or not?

• 56:35Speaker 03

  Oh, for sure. In Madagascar, they terrified me and that's coming from somebody who owned an Arnage. It terrifies me.

• 56:41Doug DeMuro?

  I would much rather have this than an Arnage in terms of ownability. I think this is a way more ownable car.

• 56:45Speaker 03

  It can't be much worse.

• 56:46Doug DeMuro?

  Well, for one thing, it's considerably newer.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:49Doug DeMuro?

  Plus again, if you're buying it 30 some, you know.

• 56:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:52Doug DeMuro?

  How much can you get killed?

• 56:53Speaker 03

  12 for a Maserati.

• 56:54Doug DeMuro?

  About 25. Even though he bought his Arnage for 19, he still managed to lose over 20. Uh, okay. The other, the other market part I want to talk about is the R8. Then we got to move on to questions.

• 57:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:05Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up. You see this?

• 57:06Speaker 03

  What a sale.

• 57:07Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you see this?

• 57:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:08Doug DeMuro?

  Nick is an R8 and Nick owned an R8, a stick V8.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  I can't use computers. Oh no. Yes, well, you guys had like the best R8 of the Gen 1s or Gen 1.5, I guess.

• 57:19Speaker 04

  There have been others that have sold in the last nine months on other platforms. And there was one that was, should have been nicer, half the miles, that sold for 215.

• 57:27Doug DeMuro?

  Bring the trailer. He doesn't want to say bring the trailer, but I'll say bring the trailer. Bring the trailer had one with 6,000 miles that sold for 215. So ours was sitting at 220 over the weekend.

• 57:38Speaker 03

  Premium plus gated?

• 57:39Doug DeMuro?

  It was a gated plus. It was a gated plus. I don't know about premium.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  Premium plus is a trim level in Audi?

• 57:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 57:45Speaker 03

  Whatever.

• 57:45Speaker 04

  You're an Audi guy.

• 57:46Doug DeMuro?

  V10 premium plus. If only we'd had a V10 prestige.

• 57:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:51Doug DeMuro?

  But so they had one and it only sold for 215. That was only in March. So it was less than a year ago. And so I assumed this would be around there. Now, this is a special color, but it's this panther black, which to me.

• 58:01Speaker 03

  It's pretty cool in the sun, but it's subtle.

• 58:03Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, but it's very subtle. It's not like Samoa.

• 58:06Speaker 04

  The one on Bring a Trailer was a different 101 black.

• 58:08Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, really? It was also a 101 black. Regardless, this one brings 261. And I think that this illustrates a couple of things. First off, Bring the Trailer. But secondly.

• 58:19Speaker 03

  It's so good.

• 58:20Doug DeMuro?

  And I mentioned this in that weekly report email I send out every week. If you think the R8 is going up in value, this car leads the chart. Like this is the king R8. I think it's the, you said it's the best Gen 1. I think it's the best R8 ultimately because you get the V10, you get the plus, and you have a gated. The second gens weren't offered with a stick.

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 58:37Doug DeMuro?

  To me, like, there is probably no better R8 in the world. There might be some really cool colors or some even lower miles. Like, there might be one or two better cars. Like, this is it.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  Go find one.

• 58:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, they come up every two years.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  They made eight manual plus. Some low number.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  The other interesting thing about R8 owners is they grow to love the car and become obsessed. And then they eventually say, I wish I had a nicer one. Right? Like, they don't, they become R8 loyalists and they think like, this is my favorite one. I just wish it had a V10.

• 59:07Doug DeMuro?

  Two of my three R8 owner friends ended up getting a better R8. Not you though.

• 59:12Speaker 03

  Not you. You got an SLR.

• 59:14Doug DeMuro?

  You got a Mercy. That's an even better R8.

• 59:16Speaker 03

  Yep, but and at that price point, you could find an E-Gear and have a little swap budget, but it would never be as nice as this.

• 59:23Doug DeMuro?

  I am curious who buys this at 260. It's a lot of money for an R8, although if it's gonna happen, this is the one. But I'm curious, like, does that person already have 10 other exotics in the... Or is he deciding? Because at 260, I probably prefer your stick swap Mercy to this car.

• 59:36Speaker 03

  They're very different, though. This is way more usable.

• 59:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but I'm not looking for usable. But that's what I'm talking about.

• 59:43Speaker 03

  If you've already scratched that at 10 years garage.

• 59:44Doug DeMuro?

  Who is the person who's trying to find a usable but very special? Because you can't really use this, right? There's, there's, you gotta keep this pretty preserved.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 59:52Doug DeMuro?

  It's a very valuable car. If you wanted to use one, you could find a lot of other R8s.

• 59:56Speaker 03

  I'm willing to bet the person that owned an R8 before.

• 59:58Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, like, that's, that's the demo for it.

• 1:00:01Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think you'd understand what makes this car so special unless you had. Yeah.

• 1:00:05Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:00:05Doug DeMuro?

  Very cool, very cool, Sarah. I was super happy to host this car. It was really, the seller did a great job presenting it. It was just a really, really special car.

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  The, the owner is our, our friend Sam in the future. He's gone from a boxer spider, and then he starts up in...

• 1:00:18Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think Sam's getting back in the R8.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  He might, he might. This one for the right price.

• 1:00:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, I gotta move on to questions. The questions, of course, are sponsored by Nick Rochon.

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:00:29Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's YouTube channel, which has the greatest automotive content. Folks, Nick put up a post this week about, two weeks ago, about how he spent the winter, the, the, the Christmas holiday in Arizona, lowballing people.

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  I'm still lowballing people. Yeah, I'm deep into a rabbit hole now of used tires. Oh, my God.

• 1:00:48Doug DeMuro?

  You are a...

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  I'm over budget on the P38. I did a lift kit.

• 1:00:52Doug DeMuro?

  No question about it.

• 1:00:53Speaker 03

  And the lift kit on stock wheels looks terrible.

• 1:00:55Doug DeMuro?

  It does.

• 1:00:56Speaker 03

  But I don't want it, like, a new, new set of tires is like another couple grand.

• 1:01:00Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you're digging this hole yourself? I told you when it started.

• 1:01:04Speaker 03

  I'm calling about LeLantis.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  That's a tire brand. That's Spanish for tires. No, it's a Spanish word.

• 1:01:12Speaker 04

  That pronunciation is gonna get you very far behind.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  I know, I'm not getting very far. What are you trying to get? If you are Louise and you're listening to this, please respond to your DMs on Facebook. I will take them for your asking price.

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  Nick, you have a real career. You put your family in these cars. One of them is an SLR.

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  Also, it's Louise, not Louise.

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  Can you just buy not used tire out of?

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  The P38 project is about embracing budget. What tire are you trying to find? I don't think. Either Falcon Wild Peak or KO2, KO3. There are used Falcon Wild Peaks out there that like people are selling that fit. They're a little rare in 16s, but we're fine. We're hunting them down.

• 1:01:53Speaker 04

  How much than you said?

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  Expensive. 1300 bucks.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  What if you get cheaper newer tires?

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  I don't want like off brand. I will find.

• 1:02:01Speaker 04

  I'm okay with them happy driven.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  They come up with great.

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  15,000 miles.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  They got a plug in them and the sidewalls ripped though. They also, you go to these used tire places, they quote installed prices. They don't do any of this like gimmicks with recycling. And, and you just, they knock it out real quick. Like it's not like, like a normal tire place where you gotta deal with all this stuff.

• 1:02:18Speaker 04

  I do like that about used tire places. They're usually quite quick and efficient.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. So you're gonna do this? There's a lot of them are like in Chula and stuff. So I was hoping to do it right before or after the pod, but. Hey, how much are you into your free P38, Mr. Free Free? 10,394. 10,394, pre tires. Pre tires. Yeah. That's why I'm trying to keep tires like 300 bucks. Glovebox is the. I have a glovebox. It's just not attached. Is the stereo installed? How many? No. How many warning lights? The stereo is installed. There's a buzzing noise. Okay. So I removed this speaker that's buzzing and it moved to another speaker, but I couldn't tell. I removed the tweeter and then I found out afterwards, it was actually the lower speaker. So I'm down three speakers now and it's still buzzing. It's a disaster. I think I'm gonna go for AirPods.

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  After all of that.

• 1:03:05Speaker 04

  Include that in the budget then.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  That's $299. Cars. I didn't put the door card back on because I ordered new speakers. And so I've got no door card, no glovebox. You drove it here? Buzzing speakers, yes. This is so embarrassing. This is so, you got a SLR dude.

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  He's the only person that owns an SLR that's also shopping for used tires for free P38 that doesn't have speakers or door panels.

• 1:03:30Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe this crap.

• 1:03:31Speaker 03

  You don't go broke making a profit, alright?

• 1:03:32Doug DeMuro?

  You're not gonna make a profit. You haven't made a profit on any of these cars. You can't pull Manny Kosh but on me. He sold his mega church for like 2X. You selling any mega churches?

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 1:03:44Speaker 04

  One of these is your car. Which one?

• 1:03:46Speaker 03

  They're unrealized losses. It's way back.

• 1:03:48Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  And it looked different.

• 1:03:49Speaker 04

  The car that you-

• 1:03:50Speaker 03

  It was 7 grand.

• 1:03:51Doug DeMuro?

  It looked different. It looked better.

• 1:03:52Speaker 04

  The car that you were given for free, somebody had ascribed $7,200 in value to. You think it's now worth over 10? What profit are you making?

• 1:04:01Speaker 03

  Wait, wait till you see it with the new tires.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  I saw it with the lift.

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  Also, the worst part is, I took out the old navigation and radio and for YouTube, I filmed myself running over it. But the CarPlay connected and turned off the video as I was doing it. So I lost, I lost the footage that I was so proud of.

• 1:04:19Doug DeMuro?

  What an idiot. Oh my god. So you're in it for 10,394, but unsaid there is, you need tires, you need some sort of infotainment solution, and you're down at several speakers.

• 1:04:30Speaker 03

  And it still has a check engine light.

• 1:04:32Doug DeMuro?

  And it still has an active ECU.

• 1:04:33Speaker 04

  You cleared it, but it's-

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  I replaced ignition coils. That was not the culprit.

• 1:04:37Doug DeMuro?

  You're just replacing stuff? You think about throwing a code reader in there and seeing what it is?

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  It misfire. Like, that could be anything.

• 1:04:45Doug DeMuro?

  Could be anything.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  P38.

• 1:04:46Doug DeMuro?

  Put a new motor in it. Honestly, you'd probably end up in better shape.

• 1:04:49Speaker 03

  We're off the rails here. We're finding a new project car. That's all we were saying.

• 1:04:53Doug DeMuro?

  You're getting rid of this P38?

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:04:54Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:04:56Speaker 03

  I missed that the most when I was in Arizona.

• 1:04:58Doug DeMuro?

  The questions, the questions are brought to you by Nick's YouTube channel where you can see all this and more. First question from Telomaster62. This is a great question. Why is a 100 Series Land Cruiser a 5-figure car, deep 5 figures, while first-gen Sequoias with the same drivetrain are a tenth of the cost? The first-gen Sequoia is so underrated. Pull up a first-gen Sequoia. You were aware of this? The original Sequoia had the same powertrain, and honestly, the Tundra too.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  I did not realize that.

• 1:05:23Doug DeMuro?

  The original Sequoia had the same powertrain. Go to lowest price, because I'm sure they're all, yeah, this one.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  I'll give you lowest price.

• 1:05:28Doug DeMuro?

  The first-gen Sequoia had the same powertrain as, now, it's not as capable as the 100 Series. It's longer, it doesn't-

• 1:05:33Speaker 04

  It looks better, though. I think the Sequoia, first gen Sequoia, looks so good. It certainly looks fine.

• 1:05:38Doug DeMuro?

  They run forever.

• 1:05:40Speaker 04

  Unlike yours.

• 1:05:40Doug DeMuro?

  They run forever, because the 47 is the greatest engine Toyota ever gave us, ever.

• 1:05:46Speaker 04

  1UZ?

• 1:05:47Doug DeMuro?

  The 1UZ, the greatest engine Toyota ever gave us. Uh, why are these so much cheaper? I mean, there's always a tax on Toyota Land Cruiser. Even the LXs are cheaper than Land Cruisers from this generation.

• 1:05:58Speaker 04

  Which is surprising.

• 1:05:58Doug DeMuro?

  And, well, some of them had this suspension, hydraulic suspension thing. But then, the Sequoia, now, the Sequoia isn't as capable. It's longer, like, I suspect the off-road, as a result, you got a breakover angle thing. I generally bet off-road stuff is not as, is not as strong. It's probably not built as, quite as well.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  The Land Cruiser famously is a 25-year car, right? All the components are intended to last longer than a Sequoia component.

• 1:06:20Doug DeMuro?

  But I would argue, though, especially if you buy from the Southwest, where it's not rusting, and you get the 47, that's a 25-year car.

• 1:06:28Speaker 04

  Honestly, you should buy a Sequoia, just everybody.

• 1:06:30Doug DeMuro?

  These first-gen Sequoias are just, they can run and run and run and run.

• 1:06:34Speaker 04

  To be fair, this one has 209,000 miles and sold for nine grand. That's not far off of 100 Series.

• 1:06:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Speaker 04

  With that miles.

• 1:06:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and old 500 Series sold for a lot.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  Ooh, somebody supercharged this one.

• 1:06:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, TRD, baby, put a blower on her.

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  Cool.

• 1:06:48Doug DeMuro?

  Blower and 129.

• 1:06:50Speaker 04

  That one looks nice.

• 1:06:51Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't you get one of these? Really step up.

• 1:06:54Speaker 04

  I guess it's a thought. It's not like a terribly interesting car.

• 1:06:56Doug DeMuro?

  Anything would be a step up. Oh, yeah, your P38, I drive that, I think, oh, this is so much fun.

• 1:07:01Speaker 04

  You see a P38, you're taking a picture, and you're saying, that guy... I'm not taking a picture. Knows something about life. You see a Sequoia, you think it's a used car.

• 1:07:08Doug DeMuro?

  When I see a P38, I take a picture now. I, when I see a P38, I take a picture now, and I can't believe this guy's still on the road.

• 1:07:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:14Doug DeMuro?

  And I send it to Nick.

• 1:07:14Speaker 04

  You sent one earlier, yeah.

• 1:07:15Doug DeMuro?

  I sent one earlier.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  But you aired it out. You didn't send it to the group?

• 1:07:18Doug DeMuro?

  I did, I sent it to the group. There was someone with a...

• 1:07:20Speaker 04

  It was a white one on like, 4 plate.

• 1:07:21Doug DeMuro?

  A white 4O.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  Missed it.

• 1:07:23Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, next question from Wabaki Evo. Hey Doug, why haven't you reviewed a Golf 32 or any other VR6-powered Volkswagen? Excuse me. Pull up the Eurovan.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  I will.

• 1:07:34Doug DeMuro?

  You can pull up on the site. You can pull up on the site.

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  Your point is made.

• 1:07:38Doug DeMuro?

  I reviewed a Eurovan. I can't believe that the disrespect that this question has. It was that one. I reviewed, this is a VR6 Volkswagen, people. Nick, I think as a VR6 enthusiast, you'd be thrilled to see me reviewing a VR6.

• 1:07:52Speaker 04

  Is it a VR6?

• 1:07:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:53Speaker 03

  Didn't, wasn't the Cayenne also a VR6 early on?

• 1:07:56Doug DeMuro?

  Well, okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna tell a story to Volkswagen people that's gonna really get them all scared. VR6 is a marketing term, okay? It's just a V6. That's all it is. They told you it was a VR6. It's a narrow angle. Nobody cares what the angle of the engine is. It's a V6, okay? They told you all it was a VR6 and there's been all these people who are like enthusiasts of the VR6. It's them marketing it, trying to prove that it's something cooler that they developed. It isn't. It's just a V6.

• 1:08:24Speaker 04

  Narrow angle V6.

• 1:08:25Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not wrong about this. Uh, next question.

• 1:08:27Speaker 04

  Why haven't you done an R32 though?

• 1:08:28Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want a blue stocky.

• 1:08:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:30Doug DeMuro?

  Hard to find. I want a blue, a Mark IV, I want a blue stocky. A Mark V, I want a blue stocky. A Mark VI.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  Stock has got to be the hard part of that, I would imagine. They were just so moddable.

• 1:08:41Doug DeMuro?

  They were so moddable.

• 1:08:43Speaker 03

  Yeah. There's a lot of cool cars you haven't reviewed, including the B7 RS4.

• 1:08:47Doug DeMuro?

  Cause I'm waiting for stockies on a lot of them and they're hard to find. For instance, I'd love to find a blue stock Evo 6. I would love, but I can't seem to find one. They're just not around. Okay, next question.

• 1:09:02Speaker 04

  Definitely not one with 30,000 kilometers behind.

• 1:09:04Doug DeMuro?

  Peterson JA22. I drove that car yesterday. That blue stock Evo 6. One of the greatest experiences of my life.

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:11Doug DeMuro?

  Tell Rami, I want one of those.

• 1:09:13Speaker 03

  I'm still having him look for a B5 RS4 for me.

• 1:09:15Doug DeMuro?

  He's looking for a D55 for me. And you know, I was at Cars and Coffee and I was talking to somebody and they were like, yeah, I got a guy looking in Europe for a car. I'm like, who? He's like, Rami. I'm like, oh my God, Rami's looking for all these cars.

• 1:09:24Speaker 04

  And by Motorsports.

• 1:09:24Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Peterson JA22. Filippo, congrats on the Porsche. When are you going to join the crew and start a YouTube channel? It's a great question.

• 1:09:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:33Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean? Ken did it, he did it?

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  If I were to start a YouTube channel, solely the auto industry news that you deem too boring for this podcast, and I'm gonna be honest, that's probably not a recipe for success.

• 1:09:42Doug DeMuro?

  But would you just sit like here at the set in front and like, that's all you do?

• 1:09:46Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:09:46Speaker 03

  Spin up podcast.

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  There's a lot of news that we can't get to, and I love the car. I love cars, but really I love the car industry.

• 1:09:53Doug DeMuro?

  He likes the industry, he's an industry man.

• 1:09:54Speaker 03

  We didn't, we didn't cover the, the story about the guy at the Ford plant that flipped off the.

• 1:09:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, we decided to avoid, to just focus on that, on Cash Patel and that's it.

• 1:10:01Doug DeMuro?

  Can you imagine if we covered that story?

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  Kinda just did.

• 1:10:07Doug DeMuro?

  So you're not doing a pot for sure, even though this is your chance to like, start your content career.

• 1:10:13Speaker 04

  I think people might not realize this, but like, my actual job at Cars and Bids sometimes has content, but I do.

• 1:10:19Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you think you're better than us?

• 1:10:20Speaker 04

  No, no, no, better, better. He does big brain stuff. Better is not the word.

• 1:10:25Doug DeMuro?

  You run over your car plate, but then you run over your stereo, but then it connects to car plate.

• 1:10:29Speaker 04

  Which is so hilarious.

• 1:10:32Speaker 04

  What's, how did the car plate unit have power?

• 1:10:34Doug DeMuro?

  Because the car was connected to the one in the car.

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:37Doug DeMuro?

  It connected to the one in the car.

• 1:10:38Speaker 04

  I took my old head unit out.

• 1:10:40Doug DeMuro?

  The old one, the stock.

• 1:10:40Speaker 04

  Oh, got it, got it, got it.

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  Probably was buzzing too. Like that.

• 1:10:45Speaker 04

  No, no, I, I more mean, I, my time is not as focused. I don't have an interest in becoming a content celebrity.

• 1:10:51Doug DeMuro?

  But you still have the footage, you just don't have the sound.

• 1:10:54Speaker 03

  No, it like stops filming.

• 1:10:56Speaker 04

  The phone would have switched to the, it like turned off.

• 1:10:59Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Filippo, I for one would love to see a YouTube channel that you do.

• 1:11:02Speaker 04

  Would you like it to be all car industry news?

• 1:11:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I would, that's how, that's where I would get my car industry news. Instead of having to go on these websites, it's like hodgepodge of websites where you always find car industry news. I want to get my one stop shop, Filippo, every Monday morning, I want you to tell me what's gonna happen in the industry that week.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  I'll do daily TikTok shows.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  I'm trying to convince him, since we're both going to Arizona Car Week next week, to road trip with me and the multiple, and we'll film it from.

• 1:11:24Speaker 04

  It's not about a dip.

• 1:11:25Speaker 03

  His house all the way to Mitchell's Hot Dogs in Mesa. And.

• 1:11:28Doug DeMuro?

  It's Mickey's.

• 1:11:29Speaker 04

  Mickey's.

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  Whatever.

• 1:11:30Doug DeMuro?

  And they don't do hot dogs, dudes.

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  Mitchell's Tacos and Hot Dogs and more.

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  Toast Tatas.

• 1:11:37Speaker 04

  Let's do it. Video coming soon to Nick Rochon.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  Okay. Stop by a little on Turiya.

• 1:11:42Doug DeMuro?

  All right, I'm gonna do two more, I'm gonna do two more, I'm gonna do two more, I'm gonna do two more. Number one, from Tom Ross 24. Volvo XC90 has been looking the same for 10 years, think it's a great way to look rich for cheap. Early ones, this generation are in the teens to buy, what do you guys think?

• 1:11:56Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:11:56Doug DeMuro?

  I agree, they are also surprisingly reliable, I assumed they wouldn't be, but they are.

• 1:12:00Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:12:01Doug DeMuro?

  They're getting tons of miles, they come up with miles, they do not seem that worn, they do look rich for cheap. That's the kind of car, no matter who you were, you could be driving it in Nick's neighborhood and people wouldn't go talk on next door.

• 1:12:11Speaker 04

  There's so many of them.

• 1:12:12Doug DeMuro?

  There's certain people, you go into Nick's neighborhood, no matter, certain type of person, I'm not gonna say who, but in Nick's neighborhood, they go on next door, I saw one of these today. But if you had an XC90, they'd be like, nope, all good.

• 1:12:23Speaker 04

  Every large Volvo from any era still looks like you fit in an original.

• 1:12:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 1:12:29Speaker 04

  An old XC70 still fit in, the first gen XC90 still fit in.

• 1:12:33Doug DeMuro?

  Totally.

• 1:12:34Speaker 04

  Period.

• 1:12:35Doug DeMuro?

  As long as it's in decent shape.

• 1:12:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:36Doug DeMuro?

  Some Volvos get ratty. It's funny because.

• 1:12:39Speaker 04

  Does he still look reasonable?

• 1:12:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it does. It's funny because Volvo had this rep in like the 80s of these like brick cars that could run forever. And then they got complicated, but actually they still are relatively reliable. And this new body XC90 is a shockingly reliable.

• 1:12:52Speaker 04

  14 grand.

• 1:12:52Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:12:53Doug DeMuro?

  14,000 United States.

• 1:12:55Speaker 04

  With only 90,000.

• 1:12:56Doug DeMuro?

  91,000 miles, but did you see what happened there, click on that? The dude went back at some point and got nine F plates to make it look like a brand new car, and you can't tell the difference.

• 1:13:04Speaker 03

  I doubt that's his strategy.

• 1:13:07Doug DeMuro?

  But it would work, it would.

• 1:13:09Speaker 03

  For you, for you, yes.

• 1:13:10Doug DeMuro?

  Go to click on lowest price.

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  I'm trying to talk my wife into one of these, I think they're, I wouldn't get a new one.

• 1:13:15Speaker 04

  Last gen's 6200.

• 1:13:16Doug DeMuro?

  17 for that one.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  Yep, for the 15 range.

• 1:13:19Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, you wanna look.

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  I could buy one of these for less than I lost on the R9.

• 1:13:24Speaker 04

  That's a great point.

• 1:13:25Doug DeMuro?

  And you know what, I think for your math, that that means you, that means you've gained.

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  It's a free car.

• 1:13:29Doug DeMuro?

  That means.

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  I, right. I will note, you already own a car in this class that you own.

• 1:13:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Cayenne.

• 1:13:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:35Speaker 04

  It's got a V8 too.

• 1:13:36Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, we can do one more or two more if we go quick. From Steve Struss, this is for you Felipe, what's the deal with the updated logo? Just to refresh, as a brand or graphic designer, I'd love to know. So if you go on Cars and Bits, our, our font has changed, what happened?

• 1:13:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, we wanted to, it had been five years.

• 1:13:50Doug DeMuro?

  Five years.

• 1:13:51Speaker 04

  Since we launched Cars and Bits.

• 1:13:52Doug DeMuro?

  Since we launched Cars and Bits.

• 1:13:53Speaker 04

  Five and a half.

• 1:13:54Doug DeMuro?

  We wanted.

• 1:13:56Speaker 04

  To update things a little bit and we felt like that better reflected our brand. There's a bunch of other small changes you may have noticed.

• 1:14:00Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, I want you to understand.

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  That version of Seraph really vibes with Filippo.

• 1:14:04Doug DeMuro?

  It better reflected our brand. The previous font was a, it didn't represent the values that we hold dear.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Okay, it's like when a new generation of car comes out, you can suddenly say whatever you wanted about the last gen.

• 1:14:16Doug DeMuro?

  The, the, the old font, no long, we didn't feel like the old font, how do I put this? It wasn't that, um, it wasn't that we hated it. It's just that it didn't, it wasn't a reflection of our brand. And so we have severed all ties with that font. And if that font is still representing on LinkedIn that it works for us, we will make, we will send a strongly worded letter to make sure that that is not the case.

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  It's a better corporate framing that we loved it and it was the right logo and font for us at the time. But we have matured as a brand and therefore the logo needs to.

• 1:14:47Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of maturity around here.

• 1:14:48Speaker 04

  We wanted to kind of make, make a few small updates that we felt.

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  The logo, the, the car itself, I've heard people allege that it was modeled off of a specific vehicle. Is that true or false?

• 1:14:59Doug DeMuro?

  No, you're talking about the one on the bottom of our mics. Here, show me.

• 1:15:03Speaker 03

  Well, that's the old one, right? Or is there a new one?

• 1:15:05Speaker 04

  Is that the new one? There is a slightly new, there's a newer version, it's a little different.

• 1:15:07Doug DeMuro?

  No, what we were looking specifically, we wanted a generic car that couldn't be.

• 1:15:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was, there was some inspiration from Doug's Defender at the time and inspiration is the key word, right? Like it looks like a boxy, simple mix of a vehicle. It looks like a multiple.

• 1:15:21Doug DeMuro?

  It doesn't look like a multi.

• 1:15:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:23Doug DeMuro?

  I think the closest thing to me always, I've always felt the Honda E was like the closest thing. Uh, okay. Last question is we have to do this one very quickly.

• 1:15:30Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:15:30Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and we can very, very, very quickly, which is good because it's a very, very quickly, quickly. Wait, what happened to it? Oh God.

• 1:15:37Speaker 03

  Did you see Honda had a new logo debut too?

• 1:15:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  That did not make the cut for stories. It would have been on your.

• 1:15:42Doug DeMuro?

  They've been doing it already. All right. Very, very quickly from Callum BMW NZ. I'm going to answer this in one word and Filippo is going to agree with me. Uh, can, dear Porsche pod, oh, hey, maybe this is for Spike. Can EVs ever become true enthusiast classics like iconic ice cars? Or does the lack of mechanical engagement prevent that from happening? No, EVs can never become enthusiast classics. Thank you so much.

• 1:16:03Speaker 03

  I don't agree. Wait, wait.

• 1:16:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's been a great podcast.

• 1:16:05Speaker 03

  Wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 1:16:06Doug DeMuro?

  Appreciate it. Nick, any parting thoughts?

• 1:16:09Speaker 04

  Keep going.

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  I can't think of an exception to that. No, you're correct.

• 1:16:12Speaker 04

  And this...

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  EV1 is kinda cool.

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  As you look back on a certain era, wouldn't you say that something like a Gallardo is an enthusiast's classic?

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  That's not an EV.

• 1:16:22Speaker 04

  But it, but my, my...

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  V10. V10, that was his primary feature.

• 1:16:26Speaker 04

  But that was, there was a change in that era from manual cars and automatic. And at the time, you would've said, no automatic, enthusiast's stable, so no automatic could be that. I think time changes things.

• 1:16:35Doug DeMuro?

  No, I think there's a big difference between automatic and EV. And I think...

• 1:16:40Speaker 03

  Maybe we don't.

• 1:16:41Doug DeMuro?

  So far, no EV, to me, has emerged as a car that I think...

• 1:16:44Speaker 04

  There have been no good sports EVs.

• 1:16:45Doug DeMuro?

  The only change, the only possible one that could be is the original Tesla Roadster, but I think that's only due to its like seminal position as in the car industry and for what Tesla became, rather than like the driving experience or the specialness or the enjoyment of that car.

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  We've got a big 10.

• 1:17:02Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, no, I like EVs a ton. I just, the question is, will they become enthusiast, true enthusiast classics?

• 1:17:08Speaker 03

  We've got a big 10.

• 1:17:09Doug DeMuro?

  What, okay, you think the Mach-E Doom is gonna become, what is that called?

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  Honestly, Rally is what it's actually called.

• 1:17:16Doug DeMuro?

  Uh... You know where I saw one of those? Cause Sam sent a picture, he saw one for the first time. I also saw one for the first time this weekend. You know where I saw it? Monster Jam. Goodbye, everybody. That's what happens Monster Jam in San Diego. You get this sort of, they're liberals, but they're also off-roaders.

• 1:17:31Speaker 03

  Yup. Goodbye, y'all.

• 1:17:34Doug DeMuro?

  Absolute pleasure. Thank you, Nick, for joining us today.

• 1:17:37Speaker 03

  Anytime.