Candace Owens: Macron, Harvey Weinstein, and Why “Christ Is King” Totally Broke People’s Brains

French President Emmanuel Macron is suing Candace Owens for claiming his wife was born a man. Candace joins us to present her evidence and explain why she’s looking forward to a legal battle. (00:00) Brigitte Macron and the Lawsuit Against Candace (12:06) The Origins of Candace’s Investigation Into the Macron Family (35:17) Why Are People Defending Sigmund Freud? (1:01:01) Candace’s Interview With Nick Fuentes (1:24:41) The Deranged Babylon Bee Guy (1:30:19) Candace’s Interview With Harvey Weinstein Candace Owens is the host of "Candace," one of the most downloaded podcasts in America. She is a New York Times best-selling writer and the author of the forthcoming "Make Him a Sandwich," (https://candaceowensbooks.com/) available for pre-order now. She has recently created the series "Becoming Brigitte," "Harvey Speaks," and "The Epstein Files." She lives in Nashville with her husband and four children. She is a practicing Catholic. Paid partnerships with: Masa Chips: Get 25% off with code TUCKER at https://masachips.com/tucker MeriwetherFarms: Visit https://MeriwetherFarms.com/Tucker and use code TUCKER for 15% off your first order. Beam: Get 30% off the American Strength Bundle using the code TUCKER at https://ShopBeam.com/Tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 0:27Tucker Carlson?

  I'm so grateful that you're here. Thank you.

• 0:29Speaker 02

  I'm so excited.

• 0:30Tucker Carlson?

  With child number four in tow, who's just off camera. What is going on with Macron?

• 0:37Speaker 02

  I mean, it's the craziest thing that's ever happened, certainly in my life. It's been repeatedly crazy, from the Trump call to the lawsuit. I didn't even know.

• 0:45Tucker Carlson?

  Can you just back up a little bit for those who don't know what you're referring to? The Trump call, what does that mean?

• 0:50Speaker 02

  So I was called by Trump in February. Emmanuel Macron had visited Trump, and I had done this series about, it was about his wife, Brigitte Macron. And the series got a lot of views, and Emmanuel Macron personally flew to DC and asked Trump to ask me to shut up, to just stop speaking about his wife.

• 1:16Tucker Carlson?

  Did you know this was going to rise to a level of international incident?

• 1:19Speaker 02

  No, and it's actually making me go back. And historically, I'm thinking, you know, all the times we were told that a war ended because of this or because of that. If this was one element of negotiation of Emmanuel Macron to Trump, and the topic of why he was ostensibly there was to discuss the end of the Ukrainian and Russian war, but you're taking Trump aside and you're asking him to shut up this podcast during the US, I'm wondering if anything that we're told in our history books is real.

• 1:45Tucker Carlson?

  That is exactly right. I have wondered the same. That is just absolutely amazing.

• 2:11Tucker Carlson?

  So he's a viewer. We know that.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  He is a viewer, him and his wife and their entire entourage. They watch every minute of my show. Trump certainly didn't. I know Trump, I think, stays much more in the mainstream media.

• 2:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  In terms of watching what he watches, but.

• 2:26Tucker Carlson?

  He must have been completely confused.

• 2:28Speaker 02

  He sounded very confused. He said he was very confused when a leader of, the leader of France took him aside.

• 2:35Tucker Carlson?

  Of a nuclear armed country.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. During negotiations for Ukraine and Russia to inquire about whether or not he knew Candace Owens. And clearly, it was an emergency because it wasn't like Trump called me two days after or a week after. It wasn't like, you know, a side conversation that, oh, let's take care of that. I was messaged by the intermediary hours after Macron left, maybe even an hour after Macron had left, and said, like, we need to get on the phone with you.

• 3:04Tucker Carlson?

  The President of the United States.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  Well, first, the person said, somebody very close to the President of the United States is asking me to ask you to stop talking about Brigitte's penis. And I.

• 3:15Tucker Carlson?

  This is, this is the true face of diplomacy. I love it.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  The true face of diplomacy. And I laughed because I said, okay, no, bye. This seems ridiculous. Kind of didn't even, I kind of questioned whether or not it was even true. But I liked the person who called me very much. And I thought, maybe I'm, I was being a bit short there because I'm nine months pregnant and I'm, I'm, or I was at the time, I think, five or six months pregnant and I, and I tend to get short the more pregnant I become. And so I called him back and I just said, can you explain to me what's really going on? And that individual told me that it was presented to him as a condition of ending the Russian Ukrainian war. Like, this was something that he brought up in the midst of these negotiations. That's how it was presented to me from a third party person. And then I was just completely floored. And I just took a second, looked at my husband,

• 4:02Speaker 02

  and the first thing we said to one another is, no one will ever believe us. This is beyond the realm of things that could be plausible. They're gonna think I'm making this up and I'm lying. And even when I did eventually tell the story months later, people were like, there's no way that this could have happened. And until Trump didn't deny it. And then, of course, Emmanuel Macron is now suing me. And he included, as a part of a lawsuit, he referred to that phone call and how he believes that presenting it as an element of the Ukraine-Russian war was wrong. Like, he was like, and so he's nitpicking there, but...

• 4:38Tucker Carlson?

  So what is he suing you over? What is the suit claim?

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Well, it claims a lot. It's 200 pages.

• 4:44Tucker Carlson?

  200 pages?

• 4:45Speaker 02

  200 pages. And what's really interesting is my series was based on a book. I worked with Xavier Pousard, who is a journalist, a very credible journalist in France, who worked on this story for eight years and ended up having to move to Italy, move his family to Italy because of what Brigitte and her husband, you know, France is a whole different political system.

• 5:04Tucker Carlson?

  Certainly is.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  And they can just bring charges against you.

• 5:07Tucker Carlson?

  It's an authoritarian country run completely by Macron. And they pretend that's not true, but it is true.

• 5:12Speaker 02

  It is 1,000% true. And so journalists that first got wise to the fact that Brigitte Macron kind of didn't exist for 30 years of her life were harassed by the government. They filed charges against them for, first and foremost, invasion of privacy. So there was never a dispute when she was bringing these charges about. She never brought a charge against people for saying that she was born a man. And that's what should be made clear to everybody. Like, that's not something that they ever say is not true when it comes down to the legality of it all, when they get into courtrooms. But they first sued for invasion of privacy. Then they sued for defamation regarding a statement, an error that the woman had made investigating when she said, "In my opinion, you know, this document is fake." But that document actually was real.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  It was a birth certificate relating to somebody in the story. And so it was remarkably petty. And this is what they do. They get very legalistic. We'll keep you in the courtroom. We'll harass you. And for Xavier, things were happening where it was, they wanted him to know that they were following him and that the Secret Service was keeping an eye on him. They never actually brought a suit against him until recently, the same time as mine. They're not suing him for defamation, even though he's the author of the book that I based my entire series on. They are instead suing him for cyberbullying.

• 6:26Tucker Carlson?

  Cyberbullying ahead of state?

• 6:28Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 6:29Tucker Carlson?

  I should just say, because it's true that the French intelligence services, everyone makes fun of France as incompetent and weak, but their intel services are not incompetent or weak. And after probably CIA Mossad, maybe Russian intel services, like, they are feared.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. And they should be feared.

• 6:46Tucker Carlson?

  They are feared. They are feared. They're very competent. They're violent. Documented they've killed people and they're nothing to play with, really.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  Right. That's why he picked up his family and he moved.

• 6:55Tucker Carlson?

  I get it.

• 6:56Speaker 02

  And so it was this tremendous act of bravery that he did this, you know, putting not just his life on the line, but the life of his wife and his children, because the story here was so demented and so twisted. And just also the broader consideration that you could have an entire state colluding to protect a secret of that magnitude. And what's so compelling about this story, and I get into this in the first episode of Becoming Brigitte, is that by the time it made its way to the English speaking world, people thought that this was like a, as always, far right conspiracy dug up from the trenches of Reddit. And that's not what happened at all. You know, the story begins with Emmanuel Macron and his wife is actually the journalist, the left leaning journalists, the Condé Nast journalists, who wanted to celebrate Brigitte.

• 7:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 7:37Speaker 02

  Wanted to do documentaries on Brigitte. This wonderful woman is now empowered and what is she going to do? And they were kind of getting threatened. They were told to come to the Elisee Palace. And there was only one person that they could talk to. They couldn't find or verify anything about Brigitte's history or Brigitte's past. And they sort of fell down the hole and were like, I don't know why I suddenly feel like I've done something wrong for asking basic questions about the first lady of France. And so that's kind of where the series begins. And it kind of takes you through what they went through and what many people have gone through since, just trying to learn anything about the first lady.

• 8:11Tucker Carlson?

  So to be clear, it's an amazing story for so many reasons, but for the one that you just described, that this was actually well known in France. It all took place in public, but I don't think one in a million Americans had any idea at all until your series came out. And the initial reaction to your series was, well, that now we know Candace is insane. Really going off the deep end. Wife's a man? Come on now. And then as the series progressed and became one of the biggest podcast series in the country and sort of sober people were saying, actually, you should listen to this. This is pretty, this is pretty wild, pretty compelling. But I just want to get to the lawsuit. So like they're suing, they're not, they're suing you for defamation.

• 8:55Speaker 02

  For things that I never said, which is they, they know that this lawsuit, this, this is why I called it a, a PR strategy. This lawsuit was filed for the press, right? Because she just lost her defamation case against two journalists in France. And now everyone was reporting, wait, you said that this was the big case that proved, or you presented it as if you were suing them on this claim of you being a man or a woman. And now you've lost that in France. This is your home territory. What's going on? And so I think she called the lawyers and were like, just, just file a lawsuit because it's very sloppy. Um, the points weren't into one another. Like first they argue that I'm doing it for money. Then they make the argument that I was fired for talking, speaking about it. So that doesn't make any sense. It can't be both. And it's a bunch of stuff that I didn't say. They're, they're behaving like mainstream journalists where they'll take a couple of words that

• 9:40Speaker 02

  I said, like gangster, criminal and gangster, but then they add their own sentence to it. And they're like, she accused her of being a criminal and a gangster. So it's very sloppy. And what they're doing is they, they're just biding their time. They don't want the world to look, which this was a very bad mistake, a very bad way to go about it. But they want the world to believe that she has a claim against me, that, well, we're suing therefore, you know, because this podcaster lied, but it's way too late. I mean, it truly, it's, is, everyone is aware of what's happened. This only made the series go viral. Now it's going viral in Asia. You know, I'm getting all of these emails from people in China saying this series is going viral. They're not even on YouTube. So I don't know how

• 10:21Speaker 02

  they're watching it in China. But it was a mistake because obviously now people are going, okay, something must be true. You know, a president of a foreign country does not sue a mom that does her podcast in her basement because she spoke something that was not true. Like there's clearly something that they want hidden. And so everyone's taking a closer look at the series.

• 10:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that's not the way to hide things.

• 10:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:44Tucker Carlson?

  The way to hide things is say, poor Candace, nice woman, obviously mentally ill.

• 10:48Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 10:49Tucker Carlson?

  You know, come on now. That's, that's the way to do it. And sophisticated liars do that.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 10:55Tucker Carlson?

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• 14:26Speaker 02

  And there is something also that the way that they're going about this, going after the journalists, thinking that America is, is the same sort of a beast as France is and that, well, we have said that you can't ask us any questions. We'll sue you for cyberbullying. There is something. Cyberbullying, whatever, whatever the claims are here, but there is something about it where once you really arrive at a truth, what I find the reaction is for the people that are incensed by the fact that you're presenting that truth is I'll impoverish you. Yeah. And I've seen this over and over again. It's like, okay, she told the truth, but our response to that is going to be demands that she get fired. Right? She should lose her livelihood for speaking the truth.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  She should lose and that's why Jake Tapper, I don't know if you've seen it, you probably haven't because it's Jake Tapper, but he sits down with Tom Claire, who was a lawyer on this case and Jake Tapper is doing the absolute most to make this just the easiest interview for Tom Claire. He's sitting across from him and he's like, she's deranged and she's crazy and she's a conspiracy theorist, so much so. Jake Tapper said that. Jake Tapper, but so much so that people in the comments were like, now I want to watch a series. His own viewers thought this was just so over the top. But then he turns to Tom Claire and he asks him like a basic question. He's like, you know, what evidence did you present to her that Prasid's a man? And Tom Claire can't answer the question. He's like. We, you know, we, there was, you can read the claims. It's, we, it's extensive and, you know, we told her that she was a woman. They never presented any evidence.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  We went to them before we published the series. We were in touch with Tom Claire, Claire and Locke. We sent them a list of questions. We said, look, we won't even do this series if you answer these basic circle yes or no questions. Was Brigitte Macron, the first lady, born a woman? I mean, that basic of questions. Did she ever live as a person named Veronique? Before the transition temporarily Brigitte lived as a person named Veronique. They refused to answer these yes or no questions. Obviously, if you're going to prove actual malice, you have to, you have to present to the court, which is, it's obviously a very high bar that's been set, which I don't necessarily even agree with that bar. By the way, New York Times versus Sullivan set. But obviously you have to prove that I acted and I knew the truth and I acted.

• 16:34Tucker Carlson?

  That's exactly right.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  I was desperate to get to the truth and said I would stop doing this series. We also offered for me to get on a plane and fly to France to interview, to get Brigitte's side of this. You know, I want to make sure I'm not colored by having read Becoming Brigitte and, and reading the series. There could be another side. And it was essentially a big F you and said, Tom Claire comes back. She doesn't have to answer your questions. She, that doesn't have to prove to you.

• 17:02Tucker Carlson?

  So they retained Tom Claire and Libby Locke then, or Tom Claire. So Tom Claire and Libby Locke are married, second marriage for him. But I, I know them and they have a law firm, I believe in suburban DC in Virginia. And that specializes in making people shut up through intimidation. They tried it with me and in a, in a really brutal, cruel way, I would say, to try and just scare you into shutting up. So that itself, I don't think anyone regards Tom Claire as a good lawyer at all. But certainly, you know, his behavior is designed to intimidate you. So the fact that they hired them at the outset, that's the behavior of someone who just like wants to scare you into shutting up.

• 17:43Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. And I, the timing of when they first sent us a letter was actually December of last, sorry, the end of November of last year. We missed the letter because they sent it to an inbox that we would have never been checking. It was very weird inbox, like where you would go to return a T-shirt. And we, because we missed that, and I'm glad I missed it because I probably would have been scared. I think they knew, because that was right when I began speaking with Xavier Pousard. And I was in London at the time and I had agreed to interview him, but nobody knew I was going to do this interview. So what made them suddenly send this intimidating letter?

• 18:18Tucker Carlson?

  And Tom Claire sent it?

• 18:19Speaker 02

  Tom Claire sent it.

• 18:20Tucker Carlson?

  They'd already retained him.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  They had retained him and he sent the letter and I think that they were monitoring Xavier Pousard. I think they were monitoring either his communications or monitoring him.

• 18:28Tucker Carlson?

  Well, how else would they have known?

• 18:29Speaker 02

  That he was flying to London to sit down to an interview with me and they sent it just a week before I sat down with him.

• 18:35Tucker Carlson?

  Well, keep in mind, the subject of your story controls some of the most competent intel services in the world.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Correct, correct.

• 18:41Tucker Carlson?

  Because they're head of state, there are no rules at all.

• 18:45Tucker Carlson?

  Which is enough to make you a little uncomfortable if you think about it.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:48Tucker Carlson?

  And the fact that they would hire those two lawyers, by the way, his wife, Libby Locke, is Bill Ackman's lawyer, who Ackman uses to make people shut up.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 18:58Tucker Carlson?

  By sending hysterical letters, screechy letters, threatening to destroy you if you keep talking about the client. I mean, it's really thuggish.

• 19:08Tucker Carlson?

  Let's just go through, but can we just go through like chronologically how this unfolded? So at the core of the story is the allegation that Brigitte Macron is not who she says she is, and that would include her sex, is not what she says it is.

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Correct, that she was born a man named Jean-Michel Trognot. And I'm aware, if you have not watched the series, that sounds crazy because that was me when I first saw the headline.

• 19:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, no, no, I mean.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  I was alerted to it by the Daily Mail. I thought it was such a crazy, insane headline. But it was, the Daily Mail had done this, had published an article saying that with a video of Emmanuel Macron denying claims his wife was a man. And I just thought, that's really funny, like what could possibly be going on in France? That the president has to deny a claim that his wife's a man. But something that caught my eye was just as I was reading this article, they made no effort to debunk it. Like it was sort of like, it was that typical CNN, New York Times, it's so crazy. It's like, okay, but if it's so crazy, just, you know, post some photos of her. Obviously she's got three kids, there's gotta be tons of photos of her raising her children. There was nothing. They had one solitary photo and when you look at the photo. It was very obvious, and this is before I got into the details, that she looks a lot more like the little boy that's on the left than she does who they were trying to report was the little girl

• 20:16Speaker 02

  that was sitting on the family member's lap. And so I got into it kind of very organically. I was like, this is weird. Like, what's going on in France that the president has to make a comment on the situation? And then I found a website where it explained it, and I instantly realized there is something here. Like, you just, you don't have any photos of yourself for 30 years of your life? And the two photos that you've given have been given to the public from a woman who has quite literally been charged with forging documents. She's, I mean, she's a thug. I mean, Mimi Marchand, they had to eventually get rid of her. Forgiving documents, thuggery, things of that nature, of a criminal nature. She's the only one, everyone's gonna go through her to get any information about your past.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  This is so strange. I mean, it's so kooky that you wouldn't just, the defense to this is just, hey, could you show us any pictures of your living for these 30 years? You know, you had allegedly three children. Did you guys take any photos while you were raising them, maybe when you were in the hospital? No, no, no, Tucker, there's, there's nothing there.

• 21:18Tucker Carlson?

  So it's, it's an amazing allegation, a stunning allegation, a bewildering allegation. But I think the legal and the moral question is, did you give an opportunity, did you give the prime minister and his wife an opportunity, the Macron's, the opportunity to respond to the allegation before the series ran? So that's my question.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  Weeks to respond.

• 21:40Tucker Carlson?

  And what way did you do that? Did you call them? Did you?

• 21:43Speaker 02

  Via Tom Claire, it was their lawyer. So it was, it actually, they kind of made a mistake. They messaged us first to kind of intimidate us and say, you know, I don't, you're working on this thing, or you're talking, you know.

• 21:54Tucker Carlson?

  Did they say how they knew you were working on it?

• 21:56Speaker 02

  I don't, I am not clear, because what was interesting is they, in that first letter, they included claims of what I said while I was working at The Daily Wire. That was the previous March. So you're responding to something that I said in March? We're now in December. So what triggered you? Like, clearly it had to have been that I had just interviewed Xavier Pousart, and they were aware of it. So then they said, okay, send her out a letter to intimidate her. And obviously getting a letter for most people, you get a letter from a sitting president of France, you're gonna go, okay, well, I'm just gonna be quiet and not say anything more because I don't want to get involved in this. But for me, it just made me even more curious. And so to be sure, I said, well, I'm glad we have a lot of communication established because I'm certainly not interested in defaming you. I'm not interested in lying. Obviously, I would do myself a disservice if

• 22:37Speaker 02

  all of this was complete crap. And it turned out that I had been peddling it. So here are my questions, very simple, yes or no questions. Did you ever live as Veronique? Who is Jean-Michel Trognot? Refused to answer. They just instantly got.

• 22:52Tucker Carlson?

  So you presented the allegations that much they of course were aware of, that people had made, others, not you, that she's not really who she says she is. And you said, can you explain?

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. And honestly, didn't require much of an explanation. We also asked, can you give us any photos of you living through this 30 year period? I mean, pretty easy stuff. If you're actually concerned and you're gonna pretend you're so traumatized and defamed because of this story, I would have been like, yeah, of course, here I am. Here's me in middle school. Here's me on a cheerleading team. Here's me, the first day I held my first son. Here's me. It's such an easy thing to debunk that it requires the suspension of common sense to believe that this is a conspiracy theory, because it's just, it's so easy to debunk, and yet they refuse to do it. And they're being extremely petty and going after every single person that speaks about it.

• 23:38Tucker Carlson?

  Have they ever provided that evidence to anybody?

• 23:42Speaker 02

  No, that's the point. They haven't.

• 23:43Tucker Carlson?

  To this day.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  They would have never had to sue anybody because everyone would have then laughed at them. Like if someone was working on a story saying that I lived as a man for 30 years, I don't need to lawyer up. I want you to publish that story so that I can then come out and say, this person is a psychopath, clearly. Here is the trove of me growing up with my sisters. Here's my middle school yearbook. To the contrary, even when Xavier Pousard, because he has been, worked on this for 10 years, and therefore filing paperwork with the government to get pictures. Jean-Michel Trognot has a military file. He also filed to get Brigitte's school yearbook, where she allegedly has a picture. And he won that case and then took it to Sacre Coeur, which is Sacred Heart. And they said, we're not releasing it. I don't care if you

• 24:27Speaker 02

  won the case. We're refusing to release this to you. So in every regard, something that would be able to dispel this rumor, even her children, where are your kids in this? If that's my mom and she's so attacked and it's so horrifying that she's got to put, you know, my dad stepped out on a plane to go speak to the President of the United States way before then, I would have released pictures of me and my mom. Her kids are all adults. I would have said, here's me and my mom growing up on my first birthday, my second birthday. Please, everyone leave her alone. They won't do it. It's just, it's bonkers to think.

• 24:58Tucker Carlson?

  Have the kids spoken in public?

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Only one child has ever spoken and called the rumors crazy and upsetting, and that's her youngest daughter, Tifan. And I have a theory about why that is, but again, there's no evidence. And since you're supplied, Tifan won't go under oath. Tifan won't speak. Tifan won't say, oh, no, this is, she just says it's very hurtful and it's not true. And, okay, Tifan, well, you have the power to dispel this by just releasing some photos of you growing up. You're, you're a 40-year-old lawyer. It's pretty simple to release some photos of you as a kid with your mom, and they won't do it.

• 25:31Tucker Carlson?

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• 26:12Tucker Carlson?

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• 27:00Speaker 00

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• 27:54Tucker Carlson?

  So, if, so it sounds like, from what you've said, you don't believe this case was even designed to go forward.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 28:02Tucker Carlson?

  They're not planning on a courtroom showdown.

• 28:04Speaker 02

  And there's no way. By the way, I engaged with Libby Locke and Tom Clare a long time ago about defamation, and they told me not to go after it because the bar was so high. And I had a very clear case where someone told a blatant lie about me, which we would have, which we happily countered right away.

• 28:18Tucker Carlson?

  You've dealt with them before.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, I have emails from, this is the funny part, I have emails from them, "I love you, adore you, watch your show."

• 28:25Tucker Carlson?

  They're totally soulless, both of them.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, clearly.

• 28:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  The motive here is money, which is fine, if that's what you want your legacy to be, because at the core of this case, which most people should be speaking about, is, their defense here is, "I'm, I am admitting," which they've never done before, and they're now admitting that Emmanuel Macron was only 14 when they met, when he was in that play. 15, she says, whenever this affair happened. And in my suit, they admit that Emmanuel Macron's parents took him away from the school because of this relationship. Do you understand how the audacity of, "I'm a creep, I macked on a student at best, and I have the audacity to file this lawsuit"? I mean, what is going on in France that you would so willfully put that in a lawsuit? Which, by the way, debunked their earlier claims.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  When he was first running, the press said he was 17. Then, when Xavier Pousard proved that that wasn't true, then suddenly they were saying he was 16. Now we've got them writing that he was 15. But the truth is, is that Emmanuel Macron was 14. And they can't go back on that truth, because she has-

• 29:29Tucker Carlson?

  Isn't that child molestation?

• 29:30Speaker 02

  There we go. That's another big thing happening here. She's desperate now to keep it at 15. Brigitte wants to keep it at 15. No, he was 14 when he was in that play that she says that she watched him in. And as you know, 14-year-old boys, I guess as a 40-year-old woman, you would just be so swept away by a 14-year-old child onstage. He was in this play, I'm forgetting the name of it, it's a French name, Mila Kundera's play. And that's when she alleges that she saw him and he just was ahead of his time, a savant, so brilliant in his demonstration, his ability to act, that, and-

• 30:04Tucker Carlson?

  He's a little kid.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  He's a child. He's a child. And this is a very creepy, sadistic story. And the more that you learn how much the press lied about that earlier story, I mean, even the press in the beginning, when he was running, even said that Brigitte Macron was this, like, irresistibly hot teacher. Like, they kept comparing her to Claudia Schiffer. And then, when Xavier and these journalists got documents and like, you know, pictorial evidence of what Brigitte looked like at that time, she looked like a man in the middle of a transition, you know? And so, even that, I mean, the way the press lied to sell this creepy relationship is something that should concern everyone, whether you believe she's a man or not. What

• 30:44Speaker 02

  you have is a couple that is woefully getting away with, at best, like, molestation, sexual perversion-

• 30:52Tucker Carlson?

  He runs the country.

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Deviance, and he runs the country.

• 30:54Tucker Carlson?

  This is not some random guy. Oh, that's-

• 30:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 30:58Tucker Carlson?

  And that's not in dispute.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  No, that's not. It was in dispute, because they tried to at first say that he was 17. Now she's saying 15. The truth is, Emmanuel Macron was 14.

• 31:08Tucker Carlson?

  I'll just go with 15 and say that's wrong.

• 31:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. Do we even need to?

• 31:12Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, 15. I mean, that's a whole different thing.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  And that was the comments under Jake Tapper's interview with Tom Claire. People, and this is the left, this is his show, were outraged. They were going, how could you defend this? I asked the question to Tom Claire on my show as I unpacked all of the child molestation that surrounds them. It's an entire orbit of people who have been found guilty and have openly admitted to molesting their children. These are their friends. Okay, that's why she's angry because I'm like, it's not just them. It's this guy, this guy, this guy. He funded the campaign, then had to come out and say, yes, I molested my stepson. And the stepdaughter wrote a book about it. A person admitted to that.

• 31:52Tucker Carlson?

  And these are friends of the Mercosse?

• 31:53Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Their current lawyer, okay, who was the finance minister. Brigitte handpicked him to be the finance minister of France. His name is Eric Dupont-Maredi. This was my episode two days ago, of course, because everyone in their orbit just, I don't know, has an interesting pedophilia story.

• 32:09Tucker Carlson?

  Do you have any friends who are pedophiles?

• 32:10Speaker 02

  None. They just can't stop finding friends that are somehow involved in these crazy pedophilia scandals. And Eric Dupont-Maredi made a name for himself as the lawyer that comes in on behalf of the offending. In this case, it's almost always incest, by the way, in all the cases that he involves himself in. And he convinces the court, as he did in one certain case called the Manichee affair, that, okay, yeah, it is incest. Yeah, he's been raping his daughter, but, and this is what he's famous for, it's happy incest. And he sold to a court and got this guy's sentence reduced. He had been raping two of his daughters.

• 32:45Tucker Carlson?

  Come on.

• 32:45Speaker 02

  I'm not kidding. You could look this up on Wikipedia, no less. And he sold this to the court, coined the phrase, along with another person, another lawyer who Emmanuel awarded the Medal of Freedom to. And they said to the court in Amiens, which is where Brigitte and Emmanuel are both born, that you should release this guy because he loves his daughter and now she's 21. It doesn't really matter. And honestly, it's the mom's fault. They encouraged them to all sleep together. And so they did. They released him early. And then his daughter tried to escape him and he killed her. So this is, this is who everyone, this is the guy who's on the news channels right now saying, we're gonna go after Candace Owens because this is a state affair. And he's got this whole glorious story about how I'm being funded by Russia. Cause it's always Russia, as we all know, it's gotta be Russia.

• 33:27Tucker Carlson?

  Funded by Russia?

• 33:28Speaker 02

  His, his theory was so-

• 33:29Tucker Carlson?

  This feels like the, the kind of end stage of something. I hate the phrase global elite, cause it sounds so spooky or whatever, but that's what it is.

• 33:39Speaker 02

  The depraved, I don't even call them the, the elite, they're the depraved. And they've, they've just been running the game for so long that they're not even getting creative anymore.

• 33:45Tucker Carlson?

  But there's always a part of town with depraved people, like there, you know, every city has the depraved, the depraved community. But has there been since Rome, really a whole class of depraved people with this much power? That's, that's what gets me.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  I think so, yeah. The more that I study and the more that I take a look at this picture, because at first, you know, you go through this period where you're going, am I crazy? Or are they all defending like children being raped? Like this can't be, this can't be right. Like somebody's gonna stand up and say something. And the only thing that you can do in those moments where you're questioning whether or not this could be the circumstance, is to educate yourself further.

• 34:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  And I find that whatever area they have sort of an inordinate response to, where they're like getting very angry about something that seems so simple, is probably where you should pressure them the hardest. And I did this with like Sigmund Freud. I kinda said something on my show about how like Sigmund Freud was like a pervert and getting into children incest, his whole theory, blaming the children for their parents being incestuous. And the reaction across the, the press, like how dare she? I'm like, he's dead. Why are you defending this guy?

• 34:53Tucker Carlson?

  Not American.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  He did present a theory that these children who were being raped by, you know, by their fathers, were actually attracted to them. Why are you defending this? And then I got educated about it and started reading books and- Stunned. Yes, this is, this is actually something that he was doing. And I learned this from the person who controlled the Sigmund Freud archives, who wrote this amazing book called The Assault on Truth. But is there is this common thread that it brings you back to Paris every time, whether you're talking about Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, talking about Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte, talking about Sigmund Freud, he studied and then came up with this theory while he was studying under Charcot in Paris, that actually, even though we see all this evidence that these kids are being raped, it is their fault because

• 35:36Speaker 02

  they're attracted to their fathers. And for this guy who rang the alarm on this, like years later, he was working with Anna Freud, and he was in control of the archives, his name is Jeffrey Masson, he got kicked out of the archives for telling the truth.

• 35:47Tucker Carlson?

  Very, very famous case.

• 35:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. He got kicked out. And, but he wrote the book still because he still had the letters, he published the letters to prove that Sigmund Freud knew for a fact these kids were being raped. And

• 35:57Tucker Carlson?

  Boy, was he attacked. Boy, was he attacked for that, too.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  But here's what's interesting about that. He publishes that book, The Assault on Truth, and Anna allowed him to because she could have stopped the book, and Anna Freud chose not to stop the book. I think she wanted the secret to be out. But you, you go through these stories, and over and over again, you get this theme of, of this very dark theme of children that are being raped, right? And it's incestuous. But like I said, while they're talking about Jeffrey Epstein, like, why do we keep coming back to this theme? And why does it seem that the media is colluding to cover that up? Like, I thought, no matter where we were on the spectrum, left or right, like, when it came to children, whether it's murder, rape, like, we all were on the same page that, like, we have to defend innocent lives. And so then you have to press further and go, what is the theology here? Because everything, as my husband has taught me, is a theology. They're being guided by a theology.

• 36:45Speaker 02

  And while the rest of the world is being driven towards either being agnostic or being outwardly atheistic, I think the people that are in control are being pulled by

• 36:57Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, they're not atheists.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  They're not atheists at all.

• 36:59Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I couldn't agree more. It's interesting. One of my children, one of my smarter children, said to me today, actually, said, child molestation is the only crime with no justification.

• 37:11Tucker Carlson?

  And I'd never thought of it that way. And it's like murder, of course, murder's wrong. Of course, there's plenty of circumstances where I can imagine committing murder and going to hell for it. But I mean, I can imagine, you know, getting so mad that I shoot somebody or, you know what I mean? Stealing, lying, but it's not possible to imagine a justification for molesting a child, for being sexual with a child. And it's also not possible to imagine for all the sins that I can imagine committing in a certain circumstance, like that's just, I can't even get my head around it. That's just not appealing in any way. Like you'd never even think of wanting to do that. So it's got to be spiritual. You don't want to be passive and tired and dependent, do you? Of course you don't.

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• 38:59Speaker 00

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• 39:53Tucker Carlson?

  Percent off.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  It is spiritual for them. And that's why studying Sigmund Freud and I realized why they were so triggered. When I kind of, I'm always a person like accidentally lands on something. And then there's just like this reaction. It's like, you can't do that. Ah, then I go, okay, well, I better learn about that because there's something you don't want me to know. And so now I'm curious. If they would just leave me alone, I promised I wouldn't even have come down this path. But what you learn about Sigmund Freud is that what he actually mainstreamed. I mean, the psychoanalytic movement was quite literally a movement to mainstream gaslighting. And this is no question. Like I said, you can read Sigmund Freud's archives. This guy was not a guy theorizing that this is what was going on. He had access, learned German, read the archives, alerted Anna Freud and was like, hey, did you know your dad knew that these kids were being raped and he lied to the public?

• 40:37Speaker 02

  And she's like, yeah, I think, you know, please, maybe don't publish that. But then she, she let him publish it. And I think that was a cry for help, but that's, that's my theory. Anyways, the second book to read was once you get to that and you go, what is this guiding theology? Why did Sigmund Freud at first acknowledge, as he did openly, that all of these kids were being raped? Because he was at the morgue. Some of these kids were dying because of their, their injuries. And he was at the morgue in Paris. He saw this upfront. There was no dispute. The literature has been published. He's studying under Charcot. And then he does this pivot suddenly when he turns 35. And he says, never mind, these kids are not, these kids are not being abused. They're, they're attracted to their fathers.

• 41:14Tucker Carlson?

  They're the sexual provocateurs.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  David Bakken published a book and he relates it to, and he makes a very sound argument and then proves his theory that it's the, it's called Sigmund Freud and the Jewish mystical tradition. And he relates to, he relates it to the Kabbalah, the sort of Gnostic idea that you have to descend into hell and then you will be brought up. And like the worst thing that you could possibly do, the worst sin, they believe in this idea of holy sin, is to harm a child. Now, again, these people that I'm citing, just because I know that you start to talk about Sigmund Freud and ah, tanzanism, these people who wrote these books are both Jewish. Jeffrey Masson is Jewish. He's an Astronomical Jew. David Bakhan is an Astronomical Jew. These people are professors and, you know,

• 41:57Speaker 02

  they have the credentials here to make these conclusions. And what he theorizes in this book is that Sigmund Freud was mainstreaming the Kabbalah through psycho-psychoanalytics. And the reason why he waited until he was 35, as he explains, is that in the Kabbalah tradition, they don't, they think it's so powerful, whatever the Kabbalah is. And I'm not educated on the Kabbalah, I will admit that. But whatever it is, they don't tell their kids about it until they turn 35. And when Sigmund Freud was 35, he received a Hebrew Bible from his father. And it's like, I guess they believe in numerology, whatever it is. And he was suddenly awakened to whatever aspect of the Kabbalah that it was.

• 42:37Speaker 02

  After David Bakhan published the book, a rabbi came to him. He got in touch with the rabbi and spoke to this rabbi who told him that, yes, Sigmund Freud was a Kabbalist because he had, he knew him personally. And he had a zohar in his apartment or in his, in his place. And he then verified that his theory, as reading through his papers, was correct and that he was a Kabbalist. And so I think it's important for people, as I started a book club, to read these books. Like, don't take it from me. And I always say, yeah, we need to stop falling for this credentialism. You shouldn't listen to me because I'm Candace Owens. I have a podcast. I want you to read these same books and to recognize that something very wrong is happening in this world. And when we point to these facts, we're all being gaslit. Like, we're suddenly being told that having a response,

• 43:20Speaker 02

  as just one example to right now, to like, kids dying in Gaza makes us monsters. Well, Sigmund Freud is the person that introduced the idea of sort of this, that gaslighting could be an effective strategy.

• 43:30Tucker Carlson?

  And gaslighting, as I understand it, is the process of inverting blame.

• 43:35Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:35Tucker Carlson?

  So I punch you in the face and attack you for assaulting me. How dare you hit me?

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 43:42Tucker Carlson?

  So, um...

• 43:44Speaker 02

  And it feels like we're constantly being gaslit.

• 43:46Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it does, it does feel like there's an awful lot of blame shifting. I see it in a very different context, but it's on economics. It's like... You know, the, the working class of the United States has been like completely under assault. It's not accidental. They were kind of targeted for extinction and treated with maximum contempt. And then they're like blamed for their medieval attitudes. They're all racist or whatever. It's like, no, actually, I think they're the ones who aren't winning. They seem to be losing out in a deal that's making a lot of other people rich. Why are we attacking them?

• 44:18Speaker 02

  Well, then you get called a racist, right? You get called a racist for noticing that. And these people who are like, I just want to be able to feed my families and go to work and feel good about that.

• 44:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, it's nothing to do with race. Like, how did race become this? It's like, what?

• 44:30Speaker 02

  But that's an element of that. And one of the things to, to recognize about Freud is that, so the Freud family creates a psychoanalytic movement, Sigmund Freud does, and, and they're gaslighting people. But then that turns into modern propaganda, because that, it's the Freud Bernays family. It's the same family. Edward Bernays is the person that created propaganda during World War II, the OSS. Like, they were using him to figure out how can we mainstream, like, how can we convince an entire population to want to go to war, you know, to hate Germans? This is the guy that they brought in. So it's the same, the psychoanalytic movement then turns into propaganda with Edward Bernays, and then turns into PR. Like, the biggest PR person in the world right now is still the Freud family. The Freud

• 45:13Speaker 02

  family are the PR for the royals. His name is Matthew Freud. So you can draw a direct line in understanding that these guys-

• 45:19Tucker Carlson?

  I think Matthew Freud was married to Rupert Murdoch's daughter.

• 45:22Speaker 02

  That is true. That is correct. And so it's very interesting to-

• 45:27Tucker Carlson?

  I just, just noting.

• 45:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's important for people to recognize this, though. These people have had a tremendous head start. Okay? They know how the mind works. They have run these experiments on people. They have had this relationship with the state forever. In fact, I think they are the state, if I'm being honest. They are the state. I shouldn't even say it's a relationship with the state. And what they are consciously trying to do is to infect your mind. Okay? So picture you being that, you know, child who lived this horrific experience. And now you have an adult sitting before you and saying, that never happened. And you're crazy. And what's wrong with you is that you're like attracted to your dad. That's what they're doing to all of us in a, in a certain way. Obviously, way more devastating when it happens to a child. In that regard, in that sinister regard. But when you see the mainstream media apparatus today and they're gaslighting us like the

• 46:11Speaker 02

  case of Brigitte Macron is the most gaslighting I've ever seen in my life, where it's just like you could debunk us in one second, but you won't. And you're calling us deranged and you're calling us crazy. And you're calling us anti Semitic for caring about a dead Palestinian kid. And you're it's like this is, yeah, they created this system. And the only way that we're going to be able to defeat it is we have to first, we have to first understand it. And that's why I really encourage people to get educated. And I just made it my point because I constantly kept getting this claim like anti Semitic talk about Sigmund Freud. But I was like, you know what I'm going to do? I'm only going to read Israeli historians and I'm only going to read Jewish books, books that are written by Jewish authors so that we can just go ahead and dispel the rumor.

• 46:49Tucker Carlson?

  I've never heard that. It's, it's interesting. Sigmund Freud has gone in and out of style. Well, he was very in style when I was young and then.

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Same for me, he was very in style.

• 46:56Tucker Carlson?

  Yes. And then he was really knocked off the pedestal by feminists, as I recall, because he had like some non fashionable views on women and calling them hysterical, et cetera, et cetera. But I, I don't recall Sigmund Freud being like a protected figure. Since when is criticizing him a hate crime?

• 47:15Speaker 02

  That's what was so weird to me. I did one episode on the Daily Wire.

• 47:18Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think he was a religious guy, at least.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Exactly. I did one episode and I was speaking about also all of his friends. His best friend was this guy Wilhelm Fleese, who his son came out, Robert Fleese, and said, my, my son, I mean, my father sexually assaulted me. Everyone surrounding him was sexually assaulting their children in Vienna, which is.

• 47:39Tucker Carlson?

  Again, what, what is that? I mean, I feel like I've been everywhere, know a ton of people. I've never met anyone who's been accused of molesting his own child. That is so far out.

• 47:51Tucker Carlson?

  I've known people who've done every bad thing and I've never met anybody who's even been accused of that. And yet you're describing two clusters of people, powerful people, famous people, where like tons of people in the orbit have been accused of or have in fact committed child molestation.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  Well, let me just tell you, as you get into, as you get into my series, like as I point to all these, this orbit around them of everyone who just keeps accidentally committing pedophilia, defending pedophilia, whatever it is. The best part is for me that they kind of laugh in your face if they want you to know that there's some, there's an element of it that's partially sadistic. Presidential portrait Emmanuel Macron leaning against a guest. Everybody has to do this leaning against a desk. Obviously, the official presidential portrait. He chooses to put a book and he has in multiple interviews said it's his favorite author by Andre Gied on the table. Andre Gied is an author who admitted openly that he was a pedophile. He's a pederast. He specifically only actually molests little boys and he would go down to Algeria, Morocco,

• 48:55Speaker 02

  and he would write books based on his experiences. The president of France chose to put that book, okay, an Andre Gied book on his desk for his official presidential portrait. Like, there was no other book that you could have picked to put there. There's an element of it where they, I think that they've amassed so much power. And it's quite interesting because I think maybe Daryl Cooper told you about this, but getting into Bill Barr's father, Donald Barr.

• 49:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  Who wrote that weird book.

• 49:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  The space, it's called Space Relations by Donald Barr, where he predicts a colony of Kossars, as he calls them, Kossars, K-O-S-S-A-R-S, he spells it, that are so bored with their power. They're so bored with being elite, just getting away with everything, you know? And he then predicts, kind of in this fantasy book, Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's Very Strange, got it, and he also was, you know, in the OSS, which was the precursor for the CIA. But there's an element of that when I see Emmanuel Macron engaging in that, that it's like they want to get caught and they just have so much power. They know that there's never going to be any consequences for it, where you go, why would you do this? You could have put any other book on your desk. You could have put literally any other book on your desk, but you chose a self-admitted,

• 50:11Speaker 02

  never denied the fact that he would go down to Morocco and he just was into little, he was into little boys.

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• 51:11Speaker 00

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• 51:35Tucker Carlson?

  So this is all of everything that you've said for the past 20 minutes makes me think they'd be crazy to bring this to trial because that would allow you discovery.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  Hmm, I think they're banking on us dismissing it. I think one of two options.

• 51:52Tucker Carlson?

  Dismissing it, what does that mean?

• 51:53Speaker 02

  You can first file to dismiss the case because you're going, uh, hi, we have the first amendment right, this is crazy, it's, it's, it's coming from Paris. I mean, like, why on earth would we honor this at all? Secondly, it's like, are we really going to allow the French president to come in here and like stifle my, my right to speech? And typically in a normal scenario, a judge would dismiss this case because it's, it's completely crazy. And we can obviously then produce the evidence that we asked them these questions and they chose not to reply to them for whatever reason. I think they want us to dismiss it. And again, I'm guessing just so they can say, oh, well, we tried, but you know, America has its own beast and they have actual malice. Or they are going to pretend that Brigitte died from grief. I don't know. I don't, because clearly they're not going to go through discovery, right?

• 52:38Speaker 02

  If you were going to go through discovery, you would have just published pictures a long time ago and put them into all the rumors, right? Because then you're gonna, you're gonna have to give me proof of these 30 year period where you just kind of.

• 52:47Tucker Carlson?

  So you're not going to try to have the case dismissed?

• 52:49Speaker 02

  I certainly do not want to have the case dismissed.

• 52:51Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing. I've never heard that before.

• 52:53Speaker 02

  We're having, I mean, we're having these discussions.

• 52:54Tucker Carlson?

  Guys, I just want to linger on this for a moment, having been around a lot of lawsuits. I've never heard anybody sued, particularly this is, they're spending a lot of money on this because Tom Claire and his wife have big expenses and they, I think they charge a lot. Um, I've never heard anybody say, I don't want a well-funded case against me to be dismissed.

• 53:17Speaker 02

  It's how I feel. And the reason that I feel that way truly Tucker is because

• 53:21Tucker Carlson?

  You're being serious.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  So much bigger, you know, so we're having those discussions. We've spoken to the lawyer. We want it moved to Tennessee. They filed in Delaware. What's happening here is so much bigger and so much more important for the world.

• 53:33Tucker Carlson?

  Delaware, really?

• 53:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is interesting. You know, Hunter kind of notoriously said like, we control the courts in Delaware.

• 53:38Tucker Carlson?

  But Fox News found out absurd case against Fox News by Dominion. I was not named in it. I got sucked into it. But Tom Claire was involved in that case and it was in Delaware. And they just had a completely compliant judge. It was just a joke, actually.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Well, that's very interesting because they did file in Delaware and it is a place where we know that the courts are corrupt. But this would be a kind of precedent that would be, I think, almost even too crazy for Delaware. You're talking about a sitting president of another country coming in and saying, I'm going to sue you for telling the truth. We have truth on our side, right? We actually have truth. So unless he's going to say blah, blah, blah, I'm not looking at anything. And you're not, you're going to get no discovery and we're just going to award this person. I mean, you gotta give the other side discovery, right?

• 54:22Tucker Carlson?

  How does Macron, as a foreign head of state, how does he collect?

• 54:26Speaker 02

  This is, there is nothing that we can look at. We are pioneering this, obviously, because this has never happened in the history of the world that a sitting president of a foreign country has sued a journalist and a podcaster in another country. It just, it's never happened. So we don't know. I didn't even know how we could sue, actually. I thought that you could only sue in a country. I just am learning with everybody else.

• 54:49Tucker Carlson?

  It's amazing.

• 54:50Speaker 02

  How this is going to work. But again, speaking of Tom Claire and Dominion, as he was sitting up there giddy with Jake Tapper, as these representatives of like the state, because that's who they represent, they represent the state.

• 55:01Tucker Carlson?

  Of course. Well, they always represent the state.

• 55:03Speaker 02

  But they're giddy talking about Dominion because Jake Tapper sits to him, he's like, and how much did you get from Dominion lawsuit? That's a lot of money. You're going to sue her for all that money? And that tells you who their master is, right?

• 55:13Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I think we knew.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  These people are satanic, right? You can't beat me in the arena of truth and facts. So what do you do next? Well, I'm going to punish you. I'm going to destroy your livelihood. You're going to have nothing to your name. And that's why I say this, this case matters so much more to me. Because we can't have this sort of behavior coming from people that are governing us, right? That say, even if you find the truth, even if I am a pervert, even if I got away with sleeping with my student, even though his parents tried to take him away, there's nothing you can do about it. And I'm going to impoverish you for even telling people. Like, that's what this lawsuit is. I'm going to impoverish you for telling the truth. And they're happy. You gotta see, they're like, he's like giddy discussing it. And then he turns to the camera, Jake Tapper, and goes,

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Fox News did this. And how much money did you get? Like, it's totally bizarre. I'm like, that's your master. And you're gonna come up against, you're gonna come up against a hard rock here, because I don't care about money. If I hope the story of Candace Owens, over the last two years, people have come to understand that money is not my master.

• 56:14Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's very obvious to everyone. What's interesting, though, since I know everybody you're talking about, is you're the happiest person by far. And I don't mean to be like, fake pious or whatever, like, the good guys win in the end. But it is true that you can tell who's speaking truth by who is calm and happy. It is true.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:36Tucker Carlson?

  Lying makes you afraid, brittle, angry. It does. I've lied before. It makes me afraid, brittle, and angry. And the more you tell the truth, the calmer you are.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:48Tucker Carlson?

  I just think that's real. And anyway, I don't think in the end, you win siding with the state against the truth teller.

• 56:55Speaker 02

  No, and that's why I asked that question. Like, Tom, I know you've watched every minute of the series. You know that they are surrounded by these people. You know about the children victims that have been silenced. Is it really worth it?

• 57:05Tucker Carlson?

  You said that to him?

• 57:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, on my podcast. I just said, I have to openly, as we went through this Manichee affair, and this woman ending up dead because they fought to like, get this pedophile and creature in Amiens released, I just asked him, like, is it really worth it? Like, because for me, you couldn't, I couldn't look at a case that involved the abuse of children, or a network of people who are involved with the abuse of children, who have admitted to abusing children, who are defending people who have admitted to abusing children, and put my head in the pillow at night. And that's what matters most. In everything that I do, I have to be able to put my head on a pillow at night and say, I feel like I've done, I did what I thought was the right thing to do, and it was a good thing to do.

• 57:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 57:44Speaker 02

  And most people are not guided by that. They're guided by this master of money, right? And they're willing to do these sorts of things to look the other way because you're going to cash a check like you and Libby are going to cash a check and like that's going to be good. Do you want that to be your legacy? I ask him that genuinely. Like, I hope that we do get to court and I get to ask him that face to face. Maybe he's deposing me and I get to ask him like, is the money worth it? I just want to know. I need to know that because I could never, when it comes to children, I will breathe fire on Tom Clare before I would sign up to knowingly aid people who have harmed children.

• 58:19Tucker Carlson?

  Having sat in a long deposition with Tom Clare, I can tell you, uh, the game is to make you mad. And that's very easy with me because I'm a hothead. Uh, it probably won't work with you. You seem to have way more emotional control than I do. Um, but I, I do think I just want to, I don't want to be mean, but I just want to say when people have in mind, when Shakespeare wrote about lawyers, I'm like, ooh, that's a little harsh. Kill all the lawyers. What are you doing? He, he had Tom Clare in mind. He really is a discredit to the profession. I can, I can say that.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  Or credit to the profession or credit.

• 58:52Tucker Carlson?

  If I was legit, I mean, the godfathers of my children are lawyers, you know, and really good, my college roommates, really good guys, great guys, men of integrity, true integrity with wives who respect them, kids who love them and just good men. But if I was a lawyer, if I was one of them and Tom Clare is stalking the earth, I'd be like, man, we gotta disbar that guy because he discredits the entire profession.

• 59:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, it's very interesting. I, I don't know what is guiding him at this point, but it is definitively not goodness, right?

• 59:20Tucker Carlson?

  It's definitely not.

• 59:21Speaker 02

  Does he think he can? When I know he doesn't, because like I said, I got advice from their law firm not to pursue a defamation claim. So you're in this, what to help bolster their idea to the world that they haven't done anything when you know, when you know that they're lying, when you know that your client is lying and you so represent them. I, again, I don't know how people put their head on the pillow at night. And what's interesting about me and he'll just come up against a rock is I have nothing to hide, right? If I had anything to hide, you guys would have found out last year, right? That where I went through and. Felt like an X-ray from the press as they tried to destroy everything that I had, everything that I held dear. I mean, it was nonstop. I mean, banned from Australia, demanding that my speaking events get canceled because I'm an anti Semite, fired in front of the world. I mean, last year was really one for the books and anything that they could

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  find on me, they wrote articles about and they smeared me and they libeled me and the idea was to kill me. It was like, you know, lay it dead. This girl should no longer have a career. And I survived it. And I survived it because I had the one thing that they couldn't quite kill, which is truth on my side. I told the truth. Okay. So at the end of the day, it takes so much more energy and persistence to lie. You have to lie repeatedly. You have to keep telling the person that the shadows in the wall are real. Like, you know, and when you tell the truth, you always have to say it once.

• 1:00:35Tucker Carlson?

  And it hangs in the air and it resonates and people can feel that it's real.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  And so they were unsuccessful in trying to destroy me, to try to destroy everything I ever worked for in my entire life with smears and libels and lies. And so what's left? What is he gonna say to me? Like, what are you saying to me during a deposition? Yeah, I think that's a man. And I think that everyone around them is way too close to pedophilia. And I think, Tom Claire, that you should be ashamed of yourself and any person that would ever launch a defense knowing that children were hurt in the process. I think, you know, you better hope karma's not real.

• 1:01:18Tucker Carlson?

  Have you ever talked to Macron? He texts people, I happen to know.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  I wish he would text me. I'd love to speak to him. I view him as a victim, by the way. Okay, you are a child and your drama teacher, whatever, is macking on you and you're 14 years old. I don't know what Macron has lived through, but when you get into his backstory, it's very weird as well. It's a very weird backstory, a lot of holes in the backstory. And he is, to me, like a Zelensky. He's totally powerless. There's somebody in the shadows telling him what to do. One of the more fun things, learning about Macron, is the press sold him as this like savant, you know, like he's just so brilliant and he was ahead of his time. He's needed to sell this like creepy relationship, you know, a 14 year old's ahead of his time. And he came across like a 60 year old. I don't know what we're doing. Right?

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  That's weird. But what was really funny was that he then starts to work for Rothschild's Bank. And before he went to Rothschild's Bank, he went to the school. I don't know how to give you like a tit for tat with America. Let's just call it like he kind of pursued his masters. And nobody knew how he got into the school. He actually didn't get into the school twice. And then he gets into the school, and they take this test, and he is he graduates. I mean, he passes with flying colors, the top of the class. And the class revolted because they all knew he was dumb. And they knew that there was a fix in from Macron. And so they just canceled test scores that year. For the first time in the school's history, because the kids were suddenly going, there's no way this person got this grade. Same thing happens when he goes to Rothschild Bank. They said, and this is again, according

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  to a Wall Street Journal book, I only use mainstream sources, that everyone who worked with him said he was an absolute idiot. They had no idea why he was at this bank, except for the fact that David Rothschild's hand was on him. Like they basically like, he was allowed to be in these rooms. He didn't even know what Iba stood for. But he worked for Rothschild Bank. And they said that it was just very clear that the hand of Rothschild was on him. And so they would all just remark to themselves, like, how are we working with this guy who's an absolute idiot? So even the idea of Macron being this like sophisticated, brilliant banker, who was ahead of his time, is just not real. If the mainstream media sources are to be believed. Again, this was a book that was done by the Wall Street Journal, and they sourced people that worked with him and said that he was an absolute idiot, which mirrored exactly what the people who went to school with him said when they had to cancel test scores because of his fake.

• 1:03:32Tucker Carlson?

  What's the relationship between Macron and Justin Trudeau?

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  I

• 1:03:37Tucker Carlson?

  They just remind me of each other. They seem like they're from the same factory line, assembly, you know, World Economic Forum.

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  Macron is very clearly a homosexual. I think that's very obvious. People have come out and talked about sleeping with him. And he's never sued them for anything. Very weird.

• 1:03:55Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Right when he got when he became president, there was a I'm blanking on his name. He came out and spoke and said, There's this guy is, you know, watch out for Macron. He's got some issues like they, you know, he said that he was a part of a sex party with him. Macron never disputed it. And since he likes to sue for defamation, that would have been a pretty good one to go after. If a guy is saying he slept with you and that you that you have mental issues like that. He's like almost like a masochist in many ways. But the entire, if you just kind of look at the world right now, a lot of theater boys are getting power. You know, Zelensky was an actor and a performer, and he actually played the role of being the president and then actually became the president. Macron, he was a theater boy. Okay. And now all of

• 1:04:40Speaker 02

  a sudden, he's like playing the part of the president of France. I don't take any of these people seriously. Like this is you are

• 1:04:47Tucker Carlson?

  As people.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  This is your next act. Yeah, you are told to pretend that you're the president of France and somebody behind you is telling you what to do. And we can definitely, as Americans, I think we can all agree, whether you're left or right, that that is a circumstance after having Biden in office, because we know irrespective of whether you loved him or hated him, that he was not cognitively there.

• 1:05:07Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  And yet the government still ran, and that should terrify you, who was in control.

• 1:05:11Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  While he was on a steep cognitive decline. It's the same for, I think, the entire Western world, that these people are not in real, in real control and that there's, they're just made to kind of delude the public into believing that like, yeah, this is a republic and a democracy and you have a say and look, you elected this person, but somebody else is obviously pulling the strings.

• 1:05:36Tucker Carlson?

  That's a fascinating observation that has never occurred to me, that the theater kids have taken, like literally.

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  The literal theater kids.

• 1:05:45Tucker Carlson?

  Ah, that's just

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  Here's your next role. You're gonna be president.

• 1:05:48Tucker Carlson?

  Speaking of theater, I just hesitate even to ask this, but since, because I mean, it just opens up all this stuff I don't want to deal with, but. You just interviewed Nick Fuentes.

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  I did.

• 1:05:59Tucker Carlson?

  Or had a conversation with him. What did you think of that? What do you think of him?

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  I mean, I can tell you, my experience is, was entirely fraudulent with him. I, I never interview people as a gotcha interview. It's always just that he, he was making the rounds. He's been around for a while and kind of his story. When I learned it, because he was banned from everywhere. So I didn't actually know what the backstory was with Nick Fuentes. But then I learned it when he was allowed back on X. And Jeremy Boring, who was then the CEO of Daily Wire, did this X live with him. And

• 1:06:29Tucker Carlson?

  Jeremy Boring did an, did an event with Nick Fuentes?

• 1:06:33Speaker 02

  It was, honestly, it was weird. Everything was weird about what happened, but it happened. And Nick told his story and I was listening in and said essentially that he was canceled because he started asking questions about Israel. He was 18 years old and he alleged that it was, you know, very much the fault of the Daily Wire or whatever he said. And I found it very interesting and I was like, oh, I actually didn't know this was the backstory. Maybe this really is a person who had, just ahead of everybody else, was questioning Israel and had like a bad hand given to him. So I had him on the show, welcomed him into my home and he was very nice. We told him, we're gonna cut, you know, a controversial trailer. We're gonna show you like these clips of you talking trash about me and you can talk about whatever you want for as long as you want. Ask any questions you want to ask.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  It went great. He left. He said, thanks, we can now be friends. And I am not kidding, we published this 11 days later and he, it was, I don't even know how to, he just starts screaming, calling me and effing BITCH, who set him up. We didn't edit a single thing. Those 11 days, like two weeks before we even published the interview, we told him if there's anything that he wanted us to insert, like, nobody does that if you go on their show.

• 1:07:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  And I don't know what, I genuinely don't know what triggered him, other than me at the very end, asking him about like, or talking to him about family. And it was, it was just the rage that was coming out of him was just weird. And I don't know why he did that. I don't know why he did a 180. You had access to me, you could have said anything after. You, even if he had said in good faith, I thought I sounded a little weird here. Could you cut it out? We probably would have cut it out because I just don't want people to ever not have a good experience coming on our show.

• 1:08:08Tucker Carlson?

  I understand that.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:08:08Tucker Carlson?

  You want people, well, I'll speak for myself. When I invite someone on, especially just to hear their views, I want them to be able to express what they actually think.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 1:08:18Tucker Carlson?

  And you decide what you think and you decide how to express it. I mean, that's like a basic. Human right, kind of. And so I'm not here to trip you up into saying something you don't mean. I want to hear what you do mean.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And he told the story. He did all of that. And apparently then, and I don't know if it was driven by insecurity, didn't know how his followers would take the interview. But he just did a complete 180, lied to his audience, pretended that he was surprised it was behind a paywall. We spoke about him and how we were going to release it. He said, great. I mean, it's a totally, total 180 flip. So I can now say that I didn't listen to other people say that Nick was a bad person. I didn't care about what happened when he was 18, 19, 20, 26. I sat across from a person, had a conversation with him. He behaved one way in person and then put on a show for the internet. So I actually can say my experience with Nick Fuentes is that he's a terrible person and a terrible human being. Because why would you do that? There's no reason to do that. You could have come back onto

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  the show. You could have had, beginning of us discussing various topics. I think in many ways, whatever happened to him was when he was 18, may have stunted his growth, meaning that he now is responding to the internets, which is filled with people that don't even use their real names. Right? So really, truly, the irony of it all is you could just be like the IDF soldiers, just pretending to be his supporters, just getting him to say whatever you want, because he's going to do whatever you say. But it was strange. It was totally strange. It made no sense.

• 1:09:38Tucker Carlson?

  Does he have a family or a normal life?

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  I asked him about that. He said, yeah, he comes from a two parent household. That's what he told me.

• 1:09:44Tucker Carlson?

  Does he have his own family? Does he?

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  No, no, he's not married. And I just offered to him, I was like, you know, I think these are things that you learn when you're married. And he just was vicious about it. And, you know, women don't tell me what to do, or whatever it was. And it was very performative. Like, I said the exact same thing to Andrew Tate months earlier. I had him, and I said, you should get married. Here's why. And of course, Andrew Tate did not react like that. He told me what his hangups were about marriage. It was just a part of two people communicating on a show. But for whatever reason, like, it was, he saw this as like, an attack, even though.

• 1:10:14Tucker Carlson?

  Interesting.

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was weird. It was totally weird.

• 1:10:16Tucker Carlson?

  Tender spot. Well, okay, has it occurred to you that, and I just want to say, I haven't watched a lot of Nick Fuentes in my life at all. But what I've seen, the guy's very talented. Like, just as a, as a. Well, let me just say this, as someone who's talked to cameras his whole life, it is very hard to sit and just like riff for 20 minutes. And I just, I think it's an amazing skill and he has that skill. But I also have noticed that his targets are all people who are sincere, non crazy, non hateful opponents of neocon politics.

• 1:10:56Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:10:57Tucker Carlson?

  So you have to kind of wonder about that. So Nick Funt is like, oh, I don't like the neocons, but then his targets are JD Vance, Joe Kent, he like tried to, he got involved in Joe Kent's campaign with a super, oh yes. You, me, and it's like, what is that?

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  Dave Smith. And I asked him about that because I, that's a question that I had. So I did the right thing by asking him to his face, what's up with this? Like, why do you attack Dave Smith? You say that like your biggest critique is that America's being controlled by Israel. Then you have Dave Smith, who has been such a sound voice. And by the way, opposite experience with Dave Smith, my podcast is a fantastic human being. I judge people.

• 1:11:34Tucker Carlson?

  Dave Smith is one of the nicest people ever.

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  Fantastic human.

• 1:11:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:11:37Speaker 02

  And so I judge people according to my experiences with them. And so Nick is being judged according to my experience with him and.

• 1:11:43Tucker Carlson?

  But like, what is this?

• 1:11:44Speaker 02

  I don't get it. I don't understand it.

• 1:11:45Tucker Carlson?

  From, I had, I probably shouldn't even say this, but I had, the only reason I know who he is, is because someone sent me a video a few years ago of him attacking me. And I was like, hmm, so I'm looking at this. And I'm like, well, first of all, this kid's really talented, like legit. And I can assess that just having done the job for so long. So it's like, wow, lots of talent, native talent. And he's attacking my dad as a CIA, his dad's in the CIA or whatever. And I'm like, well, that's no untrue. And my father dies and I learn, actually, yeah, you know, did, was involved in that world. I was shocked, completely shocked by it. So no one has to believe me, but that's just a fact.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:24Tucker Carlson?

  This was in March of this year. And I'm like, well, why would, how the hell would this child from Chicago? And my dad was 84 when he passed. Like, who's this guy know my dad is? And like, he's in an intelligence, how would he know that?

• 1:12:38Speaker 02

  So that was his critique of you because I didn't see it.

• 1:12:40Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, someone just sent me this video and it was like, you can't believe anything Carlson says because his father was in the CIA and he's. A CIA working behalf of CIA. Well, I mean, I think it's pretty obvious and I'm pretty, I mean, I actually feel emotional in my anger towards CIA. And I think of that, that comes out on the air quite regularly.

• 1:12:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:59Tucker Carlson?

  And so the idea that I'm working for the CIA is like deranged.

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  Well, if it helps, he said I was, I'm funded by Russia. Now, since the interview, he then did a thing and said I was funded by Russia.

• 1:13:08Tucker Carlson?

  But you would be a lot more likely to take Russian money than I would be to work for the CIA, because you would never take Russian money and you're not Russian. But, but I mean, I really hate the CIA. And I mean, I would, I mean, that's like very offensive to me. So why would you?

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  It's like personal for you.

• 1:13:24Tucker Carlson?

  Well, a little bit.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:25Tucker Carlson?

  And anyway, like, who is this kid exactly? And maybe it's just an accident that the guy goes after exclusively goes after people who are in the same, roughly the same. And then he gets up there and he's like, you know, making Holocaust jokes. And it's like, is it possible that this is like David Duke? And David Duke, every time I had a new show, David Duke would endorse my show. I don't know, who the hell is David Duke? Well, David Duke is obviously part of a campaign to discredit people on the right, obviously. And I think it's very obvious that Nick Fuentes is exactly the same. Doesn't mean everything he says is false. It doesn't mean he's not talented. He's enormously talented. Doesn't mean he's a bad person. I'm not attacking him personally, but he is clearly

• 1:14:08Tucker Carlson?

  part of a campaign to discredit non-crazy right voices.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  You know,

• 1:14:14Tucker Carlson?

  That's obvious to me. I've been around a long time. I know when I see it.

• 1:14:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I will say, I don't understand it. We were very kind to him. Like I truly, like, we almost said, like, we felt maybe he was a bit lonely. We should invite him back for dinner. I mean, that's how good of an experience I had.

• 1:14:28Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, clearly it's a sad.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  And then it was a 180. So it's either A, it's being driven from like a little boy insecurity. And he just was so worried that he like, just went on the attack because he doesn't know how to have normal relations after being banned everywhere.

• 1:14:39Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I think there's the kind of the angry gay kid thing going on.

• 1:14:42Speaker 02

  Or it's the What you're saying where he does this, he's lying to everybody and pretending that things are one way when it's not, I can say he lied.

• 1:14:51Tucker Carlson?

  Why is he attacking Joe Kent, who, I mean, Joe Kent worked for, as a CIA contractor, paramilitary contractor, he's in the US military for years, fighting our neocon wars. His wife was killed in Syria in one of those wars. Joe Kent is the single most sincere critic, and I would say the one with the most credibility in the United States to say this foreign policy is bad, it killed my wife, I was a part of it. Joe Kent is, is actually someone the CIA doesn't like at all, because he understands how it operates. And for Nick Fuentes, who's some child from Chicago, who, I mean, to go after him specifically, one congressional seat in Washington State.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  It is random.

• 1:15:33Tucker Carlson?

  It's not random, though, it's the opposite of random. Joe Kent was number one on the list of people they wanted to knock off, people who believe in our neocon foreign policy. They wanted Joe Kent out, because he could stand up and say, I actually know, I've got the receipts, my wife was killed in Syria. You had to take that guy out. And Nick Fuentes, this child, this weird little gay kid in his basement in Chicago, is participating in a super PAC to bump off Joe Kent? Like, I've been around this my whole life.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  What's a super PAC?

• 1:16:02Tucker Carlson?

  I know what that is. It's just an organized effort. And he also did the thing that David Duke always did, including to me, which is be like, oh yes, my friend, and everyone's like, oh, Tucker Carlson's been endorsed by David Duke. I've been making like, the anti-racist argument my whole life. Like, I'm not for David Duke. Do I think David Duke is right when he's against affirmative action? You bet I do, but I'm not for David Duke. But David Duke would cry to discredit people by hugging them. And that's exactly what Fuentes did. He goes out there, meet all these people, show up, hi, I'm Nick Fuentes, can I get my picture with you? That's a campaign to destroy credible voices on the right. And Fuentes is part of it.

• 1:16:44Tucker Carlson?

  And I know I'm gonna, I'm inviting endless trouble by saying this, because, you know, this is a kid with a lot of spare time, but it's just a fact, and I've seen it a lot. And I, and I, you can believe me or not, but... I know what I'm talking about.

• 1:16:59Speaker 02

  I can confirm he's dishonest. I mean, there's no, so it's like you use that as your, like, I could not determine what his motives were. And I said, you know what? I don't have time for this. I gave you a fair chance, gave you a fair shake, and you are a fundamentally dishonest human being. You know, there was no, there was no reason to do it. If he had not done that show and screamed and yelled, his followers would have been like, oh, that was an interesting conversation between two people who agreed some, disagreed some, and like, that was it. It was interesting that he got there. He doesn't want to be, and I can tell you that he doesn't want to be anywhere but where he is. He doesn't want to have normal relations. And it does, it did sort of feel, and I said that to him, that he's like responding to orders somewhere. Because why are you attacking me?

• 1:17:34Tucker Carlson?

  Well, who are the funders?

• 1:17:35Speaker 02

  Why are you attacking Dave Smith? What is the issue with Dave Smith? And he couldn't answer the question.

• 1:17:39Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:17:39Speaker 02

  He couldn't answer the question. He was just like, well.

• 1:17:41Tucker Carlson?

  The fakest thing I've ever seen.

• 1:17:42Speaker 02

  And he's, I'm like, why do you hate Dave Smith over Joe Rogan? And it's like, well, Dave Smith is this kind of a Jew. And I'm like, okay, I don't, either you really are this immature and you haven't gotten further in your ideas, or you're just attacking people and making people think that these attacks are legitimate when they're really not. And we were so kind to him that I was just like, okay.

• 1:18:00Tucker Carlson?

  He's attacking Dave Smith because Dave Smith is effective and credible.

• 1:18:05Speaker 02

  He's very effective.

• 1:18:06Tucker Carlson?

  Because he's smart, he's a decent person. There's no hate on Dave Smith. And you would smell it if there was and there isn't. And he has credibility and he has knowledge. And he's a marvelous debater, and once again, a really good person. So you have to take out Dave Smith. You have to take out Joe Kent. Those are the good people. You have to take out J.D. Vance. He was against J.D. Vance. So if you're against like more pointless wars on behalf of foreign powers, like, probably not going to be attacking J.D. Vance. And Vance was exactly the person he was attacking. So this, and the sad thing is, and I know that no one who watches him will believe me because they're desperate, because they are the victims of a system that hates him. It's young white men who've been totally cut out of our economy, attacked mercilessly, given, you know, narcotics, just go die. I

• 1:18:51Tucker Carlson?

  mean, they really are the victims, and they're desperate, and no one speaks for them. So they go to Fuentes because he's like incredibly articulate, and they think he's our leader. But in one of the saddest ironies of all, like he's acting against your interests, actually. It's ah, it's really dark.

• 1:19:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't believe he says, I don't, I no longer think that he believes what he says. And I can say that, like even the whole, yeah, I just say I'm a racist. I know in part he says stuff to be entertaining and that's fine. There's an element of it that is meant to be entertaining. But you got on a pod, a flight to come down onto a podcast with a black woman. Like, I don't think you're racist. I don't believe your ideas that women, it's like, you know, women need to shut up. It's like, okay, why are you on my podcast? Why are you saying that you want people to have you on their podcasts? So there's just the, there's a gap between what he says and how he acts. And for me, that's just worthy of dismissing full stop. You know, be authentic. I don't care who you are. Genuinely, I kind of like Taylor Lorenz because I know that she actually believes what she says. Do you get what I'm saying? Like at least she's authentic.

• 1:19:51Speaker 02

  And I like, she's been wearing a mask for five years. Okay. It is real to her. Covid is real to her. This is not a performance. She is not, this is not CNN. It's not Jake Tapper. And I respect it. I told my parents, I kind of like her. It's weird because I know she's authentic. And we would just genuinely never agree. We would always be at odds, but we would recognize that you truly believe this and you are still double masked in 2025.

• 1:20:14Tucker Carlson?

  I'm so with you.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I like her because it's, it's real. And that's all it takes for me to like someone. I have to know that you believe what you're saying. And I'm, I'm good with Taylor Lorenz.

• 1:20:22Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, that's so perfect. That is such a great. I ran into her in some foreign country. I was giving a speech somewhere in a foreign country. I think it was in the Middle East. But anyway, she comes up to me at the speech and she's wearing a mask. I have no idea who this person is. But I look at her eyes and they're kind of going in different directions. They're like super intense. She goes, hi, it's Taylor. I don't know her. I've never met her. Um, and I was like, oh, Taylor Lorenz? And she's like, yeah.

• 1:20:50Tucker Carlson?

  My only takeaway was the intensity is real.

• 1:20:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's real. Yeah. So it's like, how can you not like her? The people that I can't stand are people who get up there, like the Jake Tappers of the world, who get up there and they say something they don't believe. It's not how they live. It's not what their true positions are.

• 1:21:02Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:21:02Speaker 02

  They say it for a check. Taylor Lorenz, this is not a check for her. Okay? I'm like, that stops at where she's been wearing a mask for five years. She hasn't seen her face in five years. Okay? This is real for Taylor Lorenz, and I therefore like her. That's how my brain works. I just, I am here for Taylor Lorenz.

• 1:21:17Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's, I think it's a great way to judge people.

• 1:21:20Speaker 02

  Just be authentic.

• 1:21:20Tucker Carlson?

  I do. I do. I think telling the truth, even if you're wrong.

• 1:21:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:24Tucker Carlson?

  Doing your best really, really matters. So how do you? So you mentioned before that last year was a, was, was just a tsunami of attacks on you, not simply on your views and their accuracy, which I think is, you know, it's legitimate to critique anything any of us say on the basis of whether or not it's true, but on your character.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:43Tucker Carlson?

  And they were very intense. They attacked your family. I won't go more, I won't go deeper than that, but you know what I'm talking about. I mean, they really went after you, your opponents. How did that affect you?

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  It was one of the strangest things where it strengthened us in a way. I think you have to get real up close to the devil, but you know, just really see it in its, its action and its form. And then you just go, okay, like we're, we're doing this. And we have, there's, there's no thinking because you're just fighting. And then I think about last year, it was just, we were constantly fighting and very focused in those fights and.

• 1:22:23Tucker Carlson?

  Not with each other.

• 1:22:24Speaker 02

  No, me and my husband were just like, we've truly, I mean, not to say we've never been more united, we've always been united, but we are, the way, what we went through last year, it was just, we can make it through anything, you know?

• 1:22:34Tucker Carlson?

  How do you keep it?

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  He was so calm. And I do think I attribute that to his faith. I attribute that, you know, my husband is a spiritual leader first and foremost. And I think if he had shown even a fraction of uncertainty, I probably would have come apart. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:22:47Tucker Carlson?

  I do.

• 1:22:47Speaker 02

  But he was just, he just, it was amazing. I don't, I don't know how he does it. I've reflected to him because obviously we've survived it. We came back bigger and stronger. And I just look back and I go, were you like dying on the inside? Were you like going into the closet and crying? You know, behind my back? Because I don't know how George did it. I really don't know how he did it. But he was just laser focused. Nothing was a drama or a saga. It's like. Australia's banned us. And he's just like, okay, here's the person on the phone, the lawyer, we're gonna go. And we are right now in the Supreme Court in Australia right now. The case is called Candace Owens versus the Commonwealth of Australia.

• 1:23:23Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Versus France, versus Australia. And he's like, here's what we're gonna do. And so it was one of those things where when you go through those sorts of attacks, it either breaks you or it strengthens you. And it strengthened us. And I didn't think that we needed to be strengthened. And so now I'm so grateful for last year because there was this divine clarity that came into our lives. Who are our real friends? Right? Who are our real friends? And these other people, how could we have ever thought that they were our friends? Like even waiting to see who's gonna speak out and say this is wrong? Like the number one litmus test is, let's not forget, before we even get down to the books that I've read and what I think now, all I said was Christ is king. Okay?

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  This was like, it's antisemitic, it's layered, it's this, it's that. And there were people who I would have been like, I've always been friendly with, who are making videos legitimating that. Like she didn't say it directly to anybody, but it could have been kind of implied, and this is why you shouldn't say Christ is king. And we're looking around going, what is going on right now? What is happening? And I think at that moment-

• 1:24:26Tucker Carlson?

  That's one of the craziest controversies I've ever seen.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  Craziest controversy.

• 1:24:30Tucker Carlson?

  So there were people on the so-called right who attacked you for saying Christ is king?

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  Of course there were. And one of those people was, and I've been very vocal about it, because he's such a bad person, Seth Dillon. And what makes him such a bad person is I really stood up for Seth Dillon when it mattered.

• 1:24:49Tucker Carlson?

  I did too.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  When it really mattered. And like, he thought he was gonna lose everything. And I did it privately, you know, no fanfare, just because I wanted the right thing to be done to him. And at a moment, for all, actually, if he had just given me silence, that would have been friendship in that moment. Like, the whole world is coming after me. I just lost my job. I'm trending, you know, from here to Timbuktu. If you had just been quiet and said nothing about Christ is king, I would have been like, that was nice. Thank you for not adding to the chorus. No, no, no. He added to the chorus, you know? And then would like privately try to message me to be like, well, and this was their whole big idea. They were attributing it to Nick Fuentes. And I have no idea that Nick Fuentes chanted Christ is King. And by the way, if he does chant Christ is King, good. That's a

• 1:25:33Speaker 02

  good thing. Like, I want everyone to be chanting Christ is King. But he basically-

• 1:25:37Tucker Carlson?

  It's like fundamental, like Christianity.

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. It doesn't matter if Nick Fuentes is saying Jesus is King. He is. And so he was sort of saying to me that I would have to make a layered statement about Christ is King. And-

• 1:25:50Tucker Carlson?

  He said that to you?

• 1:25:51Speaker 02

  Very much came across. I said to him, I'll publish, because when he denied it publicly, I said, let me publish the text messages. And then he went radio silent, because I don't lie. Okay, I don't lie. And he wanted me to make a statement against grippers. So my whole world is coming down. And Seth Dillon's like, here's what you can do for me if you'd like a life raft. You know what I mean? It's just tweet against the grippers. And I was just like, seriously, Seth? F you. You know, when your family had something that you were going, and I stood up for you, and it was nothing for me to gain, everything for me to lose. And you're upset about random frog accounts on the internet, and you're adding to this chorus of things that are being said against me. And it's amazing-

• 1:26:27Tucker Carlson?

  He's a betrayer.

• 1:26:28Speaker 02

  He is. He's deceitful. You know, he is the Judas at your table. You know, he'll break bread with you, come to your house, and feel nothing when he stabs you in the back.

• 1:26:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:26:35Speaker 02

  And so, but I was just early. Now everyone sees it, because now that we're, him and Joel Berry have been so deranged in their pro-Israel commentary, like, they literally, like, applaud when, I genuinely think that these people smile when Palestinian children die. But I saw it early. His character. I saw his character early, when all that was required for him to be a friend was to just be quiet. He couldn't do it. You know, he added to it.

• 1:26:58Tucker Carlson?

  I had exactly the same experience. Exactly the same experience with him. I put him on twice at the request of other people. I took him out to dinner, my house. And I did think, it's kind of weird, and I totally supported the Babylon Bee. I love the idea of it. Don't read it, but I, I want something like that. And I think there are probably really nice people who work there, I assume.

• 1:27:17Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:27:17Tucker Carlson?

  But I remember thinking, and even saying to one of my producers, boy, for a guy who runs a comedy set, he's not funny at all. And he seems to have no interest in comedy at all. Not that I'm a comedian, but I like funny things, you know? I'm a shallow guy. And I did think that was weird. And then- And I didn't lie, I didn't like his vibe. However, I did it twice. And then I had Darryl Cooper on the last day of August last year. I did not think it was controversial at all.

• 1:27:44Speaker 02

  It wasn't.

• 1:27:44Tucker Carlson?

  No, and Darryl Cooper's like, not even right wing. I mean, Darryl Cooper's just like a really nice guy. And it was, you know, he's a Holocaust scenario, which he is not. That's a lie. Or at least he didn't do it on my show. He's never done it in a conversation, whatever. It became this manufactured controversy. And one of my producers is like, Seth Dillon is attacking you. I was like, I don't think so. I mean, I really helped that guy twice. And, uh, cause he was, you know, his site was being banned or whatever. So I text Seth Dillon and I'm like, is he really attacking me? And he starts like lecturing me. In a very high handed way. And I of course took the bait and then he published some of the texts.

• 1:28:25Speaker 02

  Oh, so he does. Okay, that's good to know. He published his private.

• 1:28:27Tucker Carlson?

  I may be misremembering this, but he came up to me at an event in a, I was doing it. I was campaigning for Donald Trump and he was there. He was very excited to be there. And he comes up to me, I was standing with a bunch of people, including Marjorie Taylor Greene. And he comes up and he's like, well, I think you should forgive me. You're a Christian, you say you're a Christian, you should forgive me. And I should forgive him because I am a Christian and that's like a requirement of our religion. But I just couldn't because of all the people I've dealt with. I met Kim Jong Un once, not quite as mad at him as I am at Seth Dillon. Cause I just, the betrayal, the super silliness, the stupidity and the cruelty of it. I just couldn't.

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  Oh, but he's, he's gone masked down. I mean, he accidentally sent a screenshot. They didn't realize like James Lindsay, he sends screenshots to James Lindsay.

• 1:29:08Tucker Carlson?

  Who's James Lindsay?

• 1:29:09Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't know who he is, but I know, but he's always on Twitter in the same puddle of people who are constantly just like, I don't know, like applauding Palestinian death. And he asked, James Lindsay didn't realize that it showed that it was from Seth Dillon's account. So clearly Seth Dillon had texted it to him. And then James Lindsay then like said something about what it was. And it was just amazing. It was a masked down moment where it's like, yeah, you're all on a group chat and you're sharing information of people who do attack. And you presented yourself as like the funny, nice guy. And you're anything but, like, you know, you're quite sinister. And is, we all kind of fell for it for a little bit because I'm just the guy who does satire. No, you are like a totally deranged, angry individual who would literally break bread with anyone and then stab them in the back. And so for me, like I said, I fear nothing. I was like really smashed just daylight.

• 1:29:54Speaker 02

  I, I will survive daylight. I have always treated people. With kindness and I have always worked very hard. I tell the truth. So there's nothing that Seth Dillon can expose about me that's going to hurt my feelings, you know, or make me look like I'm a bad person. He's genuinely a bad person. So these were the sorts of individuals like last year when we were going through it where I was like, am I, did I misremember us being like, maybe like putting everything on the line to help him and could he just give us silence for a couple of weeks? Like just not, just don't add into the chorus. I'm not asking you to defend me. I'm asking you to not join in on the chorus of people that are coming after me.

• 1:30:26Tucker Carlson?

  It is just a weird world when you wake up and realize like Taylor Lorenz is obviously kind of deranged. Her views are like repugnant to me. Um, I've made fun of Taylor Lorenz like for a living. I've literally been painted in front of Taylor Lorenz. Um, I'll admit it. But, uh, when you realize that she is actually a much more sincere and decent person than the guy who runs the Babylon Bee, then you realize, wow.

• 1:30:47Speaker 02

  What's going on?

• 1:30:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, what's going on?

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  She's more sincere. I disagree with her on everything, but she's more sincere. I don't think she's privately like being like, I'm not scared of COVID. She's scared of COVID. You know what I mean? So she's at least sincere.

• 1:30:57Tucker Carlson?

  Totally.

• 1:30:58Speaker 02

  Wrong, but she's sincere. And yeah, that's that. But I think that's what last year really was, is there, there was this moment where it needed to happen. There was this organic shedding where we got to see people for who they actually were. And a lot of people didn't survive last year. They're not the same. You know, it's not these people that were really big who spent all the time attacking. Now they're looking at them going, what was that? Because you can't attack yourself into success, right? You can't step on somebody's head when they're drowning and think that people are not going to realize

• 1:31:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:31:23Speaker 02

  what you did. Because like we said earlier, at the end of the day, you're not in a battle with cannibals. You're in a battle with truth. I wouldn't want to be on the side of lies when you're, when you're in a battle against truth. Okay. I told the truth. I said Christ is king. Uh, whether I, you know, when I told even about Brigitte, whatever it is, whatever you're attacking me for, eventually the truth is going to win and you guys keep banking on the lies. And so, um, I'm happy. I'm very happy. Last year happened. I was very happy to delete a lot of these people from, from my contacts and it was a clarifying year that I can only look back on and thank God. You got to thank God for moments of clarity.

• 1:31:57Tucker Carlson?

  So maybe the interview I expected least was most surprised by, but kind of weirdly delighted by was Harvey Weinstein. What, how did that happen? What was the thinking?

• 1:32:06Speaker 02

  You know, the backstory of that actually is somebody in Harvey's orbit reached out to me while I was at the Daily Wire and said, I'd really like to go on the phone with Harvey. I'd love for you to like, think about sitting down and interviewing him and doing all this stuff. And, you know, at that time, I thought he was guilty of sin, like everybody else did, because there were just so many women. And was thinking, wow, he must be pretty desperate to want to like, reach out to me. I know he's left leaning. Like, I'll do it. Sure, fine. And I got on the phone with him in prison and was very surprised that he, clearly this friend was kind of lying and he, Oprah was being floated to do the interview. And he's like, why on earth would I give you this interview? He was very, very powerful. And he, I always describe it as Harvey has like a growl about him. You could, he's still very

• 1:32:49Speaker 02

  powerful. And he kind of lashed me and said, you know, I support the ADL and talked about Kanye and talked about my support for Trump. He was all over the place. Still, still a leftist in his prison cell. And I was kind of amazed by this.

• 1:33:02Tucker Carlson?

  He lectured you about the ADL from prison?

• 1:33:04Speaker 02

  From prison. It was incredible. My autobiography is going to be amazing. If I ever sit down and write one, like, that's definitely a highlight. I'm like, I'm getting lectured by Harvey Weinstein who's in prison. And then I was sort of like, I realized at that point that I was trying out for like, one of his movies in a way. And I had to kind of sell myself of like, why I would, I wanted to do the interview. And then I thought this was so strange. And then I hung up and I looked into the case because that person then sent me the stuff. And I was just shocked. I've, I've never seen a crazier conviction in my entire life. He literally got convicted because people were crying, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. I mean, one case, his argument is, I wasn't even there. I wasn't even there. It's not even like, it's not even like, he's like, I know this woman. He's like, I was not,

• 1:33:47Speaker 02

  I don't even stay at that hotel. And I don't know this woman. And the judge would not allow him, talking about the corruption of courts, to subpoena her cell phone records to see if she was even there. It was the, and that was the person that got him whatever, 15 years in LA. Who, the cases are incredible. You were raped by him over the course of 10 years? Help me understand this. And none of these women are young, by the way, because then I'm like, maybe there was an argument, they were 17 and he manipulated, they were so, these women were 30 years old. We know what this is. This is a sugar baby, traditional relationship. This is how it's always been in Hollywood. Young girls want careers. They sleep with directors. They do that stuff consensually. And I think in the case of Harvey Weinstein, because he actually cared

• 1:34:31Speaker 02

  very deeply about his movies, they assumed he was going to give them these roles. And he didn't. He was just sort of like, yeah, I'm Harvey Weinstein. These girls threw themselves at him, thinking there was going to be an exchange, and there just wasn't one. And then if you look back in your life, and now you're 50, and you slept with Harvey Weinstein, like, not the hottest Brad Pitt looking person, you're like, what did I get for this? And you kind of then see this movement taking off, and it's me too. And suddenly, it's, you know, he had the power, and yeah, so what? I sent him a couple of emails saying, I love you, after he raped me, which they did. Yeah, because that's what I guess.

• 1:35:09Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:35:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, love you, miss you. But constantly, the emails, when you read through them, because there's a trove of them, are always them trying to be like, hey, I hear there's an upcoming audition. I'd love to attend the audition. Or, I'm going to Cannes. Can you get me some tickets? I mean, it is what it is. This was your traditional, oldest trait in the book, is what I would say. You know, the oldest trait in the book.

• 1:35:31Tucker Carlson?

  So what, I mean, okay, for a hardened anti Semite Nazi like you,

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  I'm failing at it.

• 1:35:37Tucker Carlson?

  You're defending the ADL defender Harvey Weinstein. Like, what, I don't, how did you, why? So a lot of people look at this, and first of all, I just want to say, I support it. Just that, I'm joking, and I support it, only because I think that justice matters. I know Harvey Weinstein, he's a pig, as you know.

• 1:35:55Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:56Tucker Carlson?

  Doesn't mean he's a criminal.

• 1:35:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:35:57Tucker Carlson?

  And I just think it's important to convict people when they violate the law and not to convict them when they don't.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:36:02Tucker Carlson?

  And truth is the most important thing. So I support it, but it is like of all the stories, like what drew you to that?

• 1:36:08Speaker 02

  Well, because he was the beginning of the Me Too movement and I've had a gripe from the Me Too movement from the day that it trended on Twitter. I mean, you can go back, I am, left and right, people were scared to say anything about the Me Too movement when it first happened because it was about rape and people are instantly uncomfortable and left and right, people were just sort of reticent to say, oh, but don't we need to have due diligence here? And people were losing their jobs left and right on basis of an allegation.

• 1:36:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  Because it was hashtag trending, hashtag Me Too. And right away, when it first started trending.

• 1:36:37Tucker Carlson?

  It was mob justice.

• 1:36:38Speaker 02

  Yep. I said something against it and I almost got canceled. Like, I will never forget this, Charlie Kirk, we had to get together with the PR agents. I was at Turning Point. He had Turning Point girls that were quitting, crying, saying, I was, how could she not support the Me Too movement? Like I was sexually, it was totally, and credit to Charlie Kirk, like he held down the line. Cause you know, like I said, if you stand on truth, eventually people catch up and realize that something's really wrong with this movement. But Harvey was this case where I think the entire world agreed that he was, must have been guilty of something. There were just so many women that were coming out saying that this took place.

• 1:37:10Tucker Carlson?

  And his personal style was so, you know, he's like eating with his mouth open, smoking in the elevator. I mean, I saw him do it. And so I think because he is just like this piggish, overbearing, crass guy, which is not a crime.

• 1:37:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. You just want to see him go down.

• 1:37:26Tucker Carlson?

  Well, then he must have done it.

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:37:28Tucker Carlson?

  And like, are you really going to take the side of Harvey Weinstein?

• 1:37:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:37:32Tucker Carlson?

  He's today's villain.

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  And I thought I was just doing an interview where I was gonna like, you know, push back, get to the truth. And when I looked at these cases, I was just shocked. You know, what? 90 women who came out and said he did something and it actually boiled down to three cases? And in the two New York ones that he got 26 years for, I mean, just you read the emails. It's crazy. You just cannot come out of reading the emails from Jessica Mann and Evgenia, I'm blanking on her last name, and just go, what happened here? Like, what do you mean? You convicted him of rape? On the basis of these emails alone, why would you then, like, has anybody ever, and Jessica Mann, clearly is the first person ever who's done this, hit up their rapist after and been like, hey, I'm with my mom in town, like, can we come by, you know, do you want to meet my mom?

• 1:38:16Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:38:17Speaker 02

  Actually, that's one of the emails post rape, you know? It's hard for me to believe that that's rape. I don't believe, if, lucky I wasn't sitting on that jury. And I think it does a tremendous disjustice, unjustice to two people. First, women, right, who are actually raped.

• 1:38:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:38:35Speaker 02

  Because if we're now saying all of this is rape, and then people are just not going to be inclined to believe women who are actually raped are going to go, another rape situation. Okay. So that's it. It's like you're softening what it means to be raped. But the second thing is, I have three sons. This case mattered to me because my son's lives are now threatened by this movement that said hashtag, believe women. Women lie. They lie a lot, right? I mean, and so why don't we do this crazy thing and just believe the facts and follow the facts of the case? And so I was very concerned when this movement just kind of got carried away. I even had to defend someone who I don't like, Matt Lauer. That was a crazy case. Very clearly had a consensual relationship all over New York with that intern.

• 1:39:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:39:21Speaker 02

  But she was raped the first time. And then, you know, all the other times, apparently it wasn't rape, but it doesn't really matter because here's a check, right? And that's what happened. And to this day, he carries on being branded a rapist. Like, people still say that about Matt Lauer because somebody made an allegation. And when you look at the facts, it's like, no, he was a scumbag. He was cheating on his wife. He was abusing his power, certainly, because the people, the reason they probably want to sleep with him is because he was Matt Lauer of the Today Show. But to call him a rapist, like, is that fair?

• 1:39:49Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 1:39:50Speaker 02

  Is that okay? Can we at least all say, I don't care whether you're left or right, but that's wrong? And that was the challenge of the Harvey Weinstein case.

• 1:39:56Tucker Carlson?

  I know a lot about that story just for, well, because that's the world I lived in, I knew him. And I, everything you said, just said is true.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  Of course, I mean, I am a woman. I clearly know that women will flirt with guys to get what they want, even if it's a drink at a bar. So you can only imagine Hollywood where you welcome that climate of exchange, women who are just want to be the next Angelina Jolie. They all think they're going to be the next Angelina Jolie, what they'd be willing to do for that part. And Harvey benefited from that. He was Harvey Weinstein, making the best movies that have been made in Hollywood. And honestly, I'd argue that movies haven't been great since Harvey went in, right? His movies were like, I mean, every classic movie that you can think of, Harvey Weinstein, the Weinstein Company produced, the Mira, what was it called, Mirror, I can't think of the company's name, Miramax was his company,

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  had produced. So it's a lot. It was a lot to unpack. And yet they still moved, you know, obviously, the appellate judges said this case was completely ridiculous. It was rigged. Why'd you guys even allow these people into the courtroom just to convict his character, not based on the facts? And it got sent back down. But he just lost again on two of the cases. And so I just interviewed him. And that interview is is coming out today, again, to ask him, okay, here's a broader question, Harvey, who hates you? Because this is so clearly, somebody took you out. And that's how I look at the case now. Who are you involved with? Who did you piss off that wanted you to no longer be who you were in Hollywood? Because this is this is power. This is a structure. The judges are allowing this to

• 1:41:29Speaker 02

  take place for a reason. And his answers were quite interesting, you know, and I think Harvey Weinstein did upset a lot of powerful people. And he was honest about that.

• 1:41:38Tucker Carlson?

  I get it. I have no trouble believing that at all, given his style, which is like totally overbearing and awful. But throwing someone in prison for the rest of his life is, you know, it's too much.

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  He said Gloria Allred told him, if she paid him, and I view her as a gangster of sorts, everyone knows how she moves. When she's on a case, she doesn't lose, that if he had paid her, and I want to say it was a million dollars, don't quote me, that it would go away. She could go away. He didn't do it. Yeah, that's what he told me on record. So it's people are going to hear it from his own mouth. But that tells me that we're looking at maybe something different. And what was the Me Too movement? And I've spoken to other people that were victims of it. And they allege to me that a lot of it has to do with publishing rights, that if they want to take out a business, you can take out, force a person to essentially have to sell their business and their assets if you can create a scandal. And I'm inclined to believe that after examining the Michael Jackson case,

• 1:42:38Speaker 02

  because he was in a war with Sony over publishing rights. And suddenly, he was being accused. And I didn't remember much about that case, but then when I went and I looked at it, it was a crazy story of like a kid who was drugged by his dad to say that he was raped by Michael Jackson. Literally, he was drugged by his father. And so you start to wonder if there's a lot of stuff that's happening in Hollywood that many people have tried to speak out about, and those people have either been deemed crazy, or, in the case of Michael Jackson, he's into children. And we sort of pay attention to the media circus of everything without realizing that, like, there could be other stuff happening in Hollywood.

• 1:43:13Tucker Carlson?

  You think it's possible that Michael Jackson was not a child molester?

• 1:43:16Speaker 02

  I am now convinced, after looking at the case, that he was not, and that he was at a war with Sony. And I did a whole episode on it. I was shocked, because I grew up loving Michael Jackson, and then I was absolutely repulsed by Michael Jackson. Like, he meant so much in my childhood. And then I was repulsed from Michael Jackson. And then I decided to reexamine what happened, and I just, I couldn't believe it. I mean, I literally could not believe.

• 1:43:41Tucker Carlson?

  Like Harvey Weinstein.

• 1:43:42Speaker 02

  He was winning. He was gonna win the Beatles catalog. It was his. He was fighting Sony and winning. And then, just like that, scandal, broke, dead. Even the way he died is weird, you know, but like, you know, it was, it was a lot. When you go back and look at that case, you realize the media tells you so much, but they tell you absolutely nothing.

• 1:44:01Tucker Carlson?

  Michael Jackson was weird in the same way that Harvey Weinstein was obnoxious, and the same way that Richard Jewell seemed like a fake cop. The guy was blamed for the Atlanta Olympics bombing in 96, who didn't do it. They kind of fit your preconceptions of what a bad guy like that would be. You know, Michael Jackson, living Neverland, his weird kind of personal Disney with all these little kids, you're like, he's clearly a kid toucher.

• 1:44:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And he definitely had issues, because he felt that he had his childhood stolen from him, so he kind of made it his priority, in this, I would say, very creepy way, to constantly say, "I'm gonna create this Neverland ranch, and so kids are never gonna go through anything." But it's quite telling that he was so close above with anybody else with Macaulay Culkin, right? Also, another person who alleged that he was being raped by directors, was that Corey... I'm gonna say Corey, maybe Feldman, yeah. And he's been vocal about how he was abused. And both of those people said absolutely never, not once. Did Michael Jackson do anything to them? They stood up for him. And then when you get into the people that said that he did something, and you figure out what their motives were, one's drugged, one was paid. The Michael Jackson story gets completely crazy.

• 1:45:08Speaker 02

  And so what you had was a man who was stunted in his growth because of his childhood, who wanted to make the world a special, magical place for people. And he became the, you know, the perfect, I mean, he won his case. So we can say Michael Jackson was not guilty, right? He actually won his case once the jury saw the evidence. But, um, yeah, it's kind of scary to think that a media circus can be created about you and people can believe things, just like we were saying with Matt Lauer. Yes. Absent very little fact because the media just keeps saying it. And that gets into the importance of why I select and get, you know, I'm like a dog with a bone on certain cases. The Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni case is another one. Again, Justin Baldoni is Jewish, obviously. So is Steve Sarwitz. I'm like the worst anti Semite ever. Here I am defending these people. But it's the same thing.

• 1:45:52Speaker 02

  She went to the press and tried to smear this man and ruin his existence by claiming, in so many words, that he had sexually harassed her. And she made him sound, with the help of the New York Times, like he was an absolute creep, a pervert, a sex addicted pervert. If you read that article, you took away that Justin Baldoni was a sex addicted pervert. Right? And poor Blake Lively had to survive doing a movie with him. If Brian Friedman had not done what he had done and published the entire, he said, everything, every text message sent between Blake and Justin and Ryan Reynolds, the world would have believed what she and the New York Times had worked on. It was, it's a shocking case. People are going, oh, it's just like celebrity drama. No, this isn't celebrity drama.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  This is so much deeper than that. Okay? We are talking about the corruption of the media who has the trust of the people. Like, you're an educated person, you read the New York Times, right? The New York Times essentially assisted in a hit on a man. For what reason? What did Blake actually want from Justin Baldoni? Publishing rights. And we got to read her messages and she wanted to be put on the film and she wanted to be put as a producer, executive producer, or else, right? You do this or else threatening, so I'm not going to come back here, my demands. I mean, a total witch. Truly, that woman is possessed. I cannot, I cannot, after reading those messages and Justin falling over himself because he was like, she's an A-lister, just to, he was, he was almost like pathetic, like stand up for yourself at a certain point.

• 1:47:19Speaker 02

  Um, and what's happening right now, like in the court system in New York, they're allowing her to, I don't know, like, it just seems like it's a very corrupt case, but what happened to Justin Baldoni, it is, everyone should be reading those messages and realizing what the New York Times took part in, because we're seeing this happen over and over again, where the media, like the journalists are acting like assassins, right? These are, these are assassins, these are assassinations, right? You're going to hit someone, you're going to hit their entire career.

• 1:47:46Tucker Carlson?

  They're called hit pieces.

• 1:47:47Speaker 02

  They're called hit pieces for a reason, because most people cannot survive them. Matt Lowers not survive it, okay? That's over.

• 1:47:53Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:47:54Speaker 02

  Matt Lowers career.

• 1:47:55Tucker Carlson?

  He moved to New Zealand.

• 1:47:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I didn't know he moved to New Zealand.

• 1:47:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, he did.

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  He did not survive it. Michael Jackson, to this day, you don't know the facts of the Michael Jackson case, right? You know, do you think he did it, blah, blah, blah?

• 1:48:02Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I would say a hundred percent he did. I mean, I don't know anything.

• 1:48:05Speaker 02

  Right, but that's the point. You don't know anything, but the media makes you think you do, enough that you can have an assessment, which I was like you, Michael Jackson's guilty. I totally believed that.

• 1:48:15Tucker Carlson?

  Look at the guy, he had plastic surgery, he must be a child molester.

• 1:48:17Speaker 02

  Harvey Weinstein was guilty.

• 1:48:18Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  Enough of noise from the media and we just, we don't even look for facts anymore. And I want people who watch my show to be trained in recognizing those patterns, when actually they're saying a lot, but they're not really saying much. You are watching a team of trained assassins take someone out. For what reason? I don't know. Then we can become, you know, we can come up with conspiracies, but that's what this is, right? That's what this is. You're there ignoring facts, because if they had presented the facts, none of us would have thought those things about Harvey Weinstein, we would have just said, he's a creep who abused his power and he should step down, because nobody who's running a company should be sleeping with all of these women and cheating on his wife.

• 1:48:55Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:48:56Speaker 02

  Like, it's, you know, it's, it's moral, it's morally wrong.

• 1:48:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:59Speaker 02

  Not criminally, criminally wrong.

• 1:49:01Tucker Carlson?

  It's interesting how you select your stories, it's not ideological.

• 1:49:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's

• 1:49:05Tucker Carlson?

  Your, your, your, your interest seems to be is it true or not?

• 1:49:09Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. It's principled. I don't care how you vote. I don't care if you give to the ADL. I'm on their list. Like, I'm literally on the ADL's list and Harvey Weinstein's like one of their biggest donors. Doesn't matter to me. Do I think he did this thing? Why does it matter? Because my sons have to grow up in that world. I have three sons. So yeah, I have a stake in this. We can't just have women going to the New York Times and making allegations. There was also New York Times with Harvey Weinstein. They were awarded Pulitzers. And we can't just have this happening. We can't have people having their lives ruined by the press absent any facts. And so there are tons of people that come to me and want me to take on their stories. And I try to take on as many as I can. You know, right now, I'm obviously very much interested in the Epstein case. And so that's where I'm focusing my attention, the Epstein case.

• 1:49:52Tucker Carlson?

  What do you think that was?

• 1:49:55Tucker Carlson?

  The Epstein case?

• 1:49:55Speaker 02

  I would say Israel, obviously. And again, I'm so tired of us being gaslit. It's the dumbest gaslighting of all time.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  On record, okay, when Pam Bondi said, like, I just, I just, I can't even, this was just a moment where I was like, okay, like, F you. You guys hate us. Like, you just like, you don't even, you have so much power. Why don't you just come out and say, na na boo boo, you can't touch us, F you. I would rather you do that, right?

• 1:50:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:50:25Speaker 02

  Then put on this pretense of a conference and then you've got Trump over here being like, does anybody still care about Jeffrey Epstein? And then Pam Bondi is asked the question, you know, was he working for another country? And she says, oh, we don't know, right? You don't know? So in my series, I'm like, maybe we can help them. Maybe we can help the deep state figure out who Jeffrey Epstein was working for. Here is Ari Ben Menach, who was a Mossad agent, who is on record, literally recorded. Let's listen to him tell us about how Jeffrey Epstein was working for the Mossad. Okay, Ari Ben Menach worked for Mossad and he's saying that Robert Maxwell brought him to Jeffrey Epstein and said, let this guy in. He's going to be involved in weapons. Hey, Pam Bondi, you might have missed this one. Okay, you might have missed this one.

• 1:51:10Speaker 02

  Then you go to another person who is on record, who is Viktor Otravsky, who defected from the Mossad notoriously. The Mossad admits he worked for the Mossad. He wrote a book, "By Deception," or "By Deception Only." He says that's the Mossad motto, which they obviously do that. That's why they, you know, execute all these false flags. And he told everybody the truth. He has said Jeffrey Epstein was working with us. So for whatever reason, Candace Owens is able to determine whether or not Jeffrey Epstein might have been working for another state. But Pam Bondi, they're just gonna have to keep surmising about whether or not Jeffrey Epstein, who with Ghislaine Maxwell, her father being Robert Maxwell, one of the biggest lies, by

• 1:51:51Speaker 02

  the way, that's told, and I debunked this in our first or our third Epstein episode, is the idea that, oh, well, yeah, Robert Maxwell, they admit he was a Mossad agent, but Epstein didn't know him. The story they try to tell now and fashion to the public is like Ghislaine and Jeffrey Epstein met after her dad was dead. That's just false. Again, Ari Ben Menashe tells the story of being brought into the office and being told that Epstein was gonna be brought in. This was the Iran-Contra scandal. So since the 80s, Jeffrey Epstein has been working for Israel. I don't know how I know that and Trump and Pam Bondi don't, but they gotta bring me in. Like, I might have some evidence here, right? It's like, so it's, we're getting to a point now-

• 1:52:25Tucker Carlson?

  You're gonna have tough confirmation hearings.

• 1:52:27Speaker 02

  I just, I just want them to say, "F you." Like, seriously, that would feel better at this point if they just came out and said, "F you, na na na boo boo, you can't touch us, we rule over you, ha ha." That would feel at least authentic, going back to the Taylor Lorenz thing, you know? I'd be like, "I really don't like that, but at least it's authentic, and I know you mean it, and it's true."

• 1:52:49Tucker Carlson?

  All totally fair. Does, does any of, I mean, to the extent that we can project forward and guess, does, does any of this come out? I mean, to a greater extent than it has? I mean, is there ever like a public resolution of this story?

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  No, because Israel's controlling our government. So no, the answer is no. Trump is powerless against him. We haven't had, I don't think we've been a sovereign nation since they shot JFK. And when I say "they," it's like, people online say, "What do you mean by 'they'?" I'm talking about Israel. I don't want you guys to like, you know, read it between, "I'm talking about Israel." So like, let's stop making that a taboo subject because they've gone mask down, everything they're doing is demonic, I want nothing to do with it. I will never support Israel into the future after what they've done to these children, the starvation campaign. I don't care. Like, please, write your, you've already written them all, I don't know what you could add, right, about me, but I do not support Israel, and I don't think that Jewish Americans should support Israel, and I hope that they're now having those conversations. I see many of them recognizing that they have been propagandized into believing they have to support this demonic state, and that's in large part thanks to their birthright

• 1:53:48Speaker 02

  trip. Yeah, that mask-down moment for Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL when he got caught on the hot mic, it was released, he didn't know that he was being recorded, and he's like- Saying that they've got to get TikTok under control because like we have a generational issue with TikTok. We need to do something about this like what we did with birthright. What does that tell you? That the entire purpose of that birthright trip telling every Jewish American, you forget a free trip to Israel was to propagandize you into believing that you have some affinity with this made up country in the Middle East, like in 1948, that you have to, you know, react when something's happening to them, or you have to look away when they're doing things that are so obviously wrong and demonic. And so I'm hoping now

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  that we're getting to that point where people can recognize that whether you're black, you don't have to agree with BLM, whether you're Jew, allowing your identity to shape your morality is problematic. Okay. And Israel in and of itself is a demonic nation. I will never support Israel. Right? So I went from working for PragerU to I will never support Israel. And so that's how much the scales have fallen from my eyes about what they are involved in. And if you, this isn't your wake up call to just look at the footage of what they are doing. They're playing Hunger Games and like throwing food at them and then killing people and seeing who survives. You, I mean, it's, it's just at your fingertips. You have to take a look at what Israel is doing.

• 1:55:10Tucker Carlson?

  Your point that if you allow your identity to determine your morality is a very deep, and I think important point that I've never heard any, I've never heard anybody put it that way. But it does feel like we're moving toward a world in which, you know, all ethics are situational and it all depends on who I am and who my tribe is and what my identity is. And there isn't, to the extent there used to be a sense of like universal standards that apply to everyone, otherwise known as principles. You clearly operate by those principles. What, does that accelerate? Or do we return to a moment where we can say, oh, no, there are universal standards of behavior. Truth is an unchanging thing, whether

• 1:55:52Tucker Carlson?

  we have it or not is debatable, but there is something called truth. There is a, an actual reality. Or does AI just make all of it like?

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  I think the people that we're fighting wish that AI could make everything. I, I am troubled by AI. I'm troubled by people believing that AI is smart. It's obviously dumb. It's, it requires you not to read books and to believe that everything it spins out, which is, is really just they're scraping the internet, right? That's all it's doing, which then gives the power to the same people, New York Times. It's like they're just scraping the trusted sources and telling you this is a fact when it's not a fact. And, but I very much believe that something is happening globally right now spiritually. I think me even surviving last year is proof of that, obviously. If lies were.

• 1:56:36Tucker Carlson?

  Well, and not just surviving, I should point out, since you're not a braggart, I mean thriving in a way that like nobody would have predicted as, you know, measured by your numbers on your podcast, as measured by your family output. Now you're the mother of four. Like, I don't know. I don't even know how you like have a baby in the middle of all that, but you did. You're, you're thriving, which is amazing. I never would have guessed that ever.

• 1:57:01Speaker 02

  I hope that people take away from me living through it and surviving and coming out the other side is that it's, it isn't, it isn't worth your soul to tell a lie, you know, tell the truth. And that seems harder. That certainly in that moment of temptation feels harder when you're being promised the world. If you just don't say this thing, you know, everything will stay the same. If you just pretend like you don't see what's happening in Gaza, you know, you can have your life the way that you like it. That is, in my viewpoint, that, that is being tempted by Satan. That really is. And that is why they want you to be attached to money, right? That is why they don't even know how to try to destroy me outside of saying, we're going to financially crush you, right? We're going to keep you in lawsuits. We're going to sue you. I'm going to sue you for $8 billion.

• 1:57:45Speaker 02

  Because there's no truth in these people. Like money is all, that is the only motive. That's their only real power. And so I hope that when people, you know, the millions of people that listen to my podcast every single day, that they get that there is, there is something way bigger than that, way higher authority to that. And when you commit yourself to truth, right? What is Jesus? Jesus is the way and the truth and the life, right? I think that once you get through that temptation, you are rewarded if you do the right thing, if you do the moral thing and you do the principled thing, you're being tested. We're all being tested right now. That's what I truly believe. We're all being tested and a lot of people are failing that test. A lot of people aren't, right? Strange bedfellows. You had Anna Kasparian on this show and I've been saying for a while

• 1:58:30Speaker 02

  that I liked her because I perceived that she was being authentic, even when I disagreed with her.

• 1:58:33Tucker Carlson?

  Well, she's authentic.

• 1:58:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. I was like, I disagree with her and she's been terrible to me, but I perceive that she's being authentic. And we're seeing that happen. It's a good thing. It's a good thing that the left and the right are coming together on this topic and that it doesn't matter if you're black or you're white. And so in that way, yeah, Israel, what's like, Israel has been a blessing because I think for the first time, the entire world is in lockstep, realizing something is very wrong, that this is allowed to happen in broad daylight and no one is stopping it.

• 1:59:03Tucker Carlson?

  When you say you see something happening globally on the spiritual level, what do you mean?

• 1:59:08Speaker 02

  What I mean by that is I can, and obviously I'm looking at my own metrics here, but we have people committed to watching my show all over the world, like using VPNs to watch the show all over the world. And as I, I don't view myself as an authority. I'm learning with them. I think that's what they enjoy about my show is I'm not like Jake Tapper, sitting up here telling you, she's deranged. I'm actually saying, we're not getting answers here and something's wrong.

• 1:59:36Tucker Carlson?

  Did he actually use the word deranged?

• 1:59:37Speaker 02

  Like six times in the first minute.

• 1:59:38Tucker Carlson?

  Deranged?

• 1:59:39Speaker 02

  Deranged, like six times in the first minute. It was glorious. It was so funny.

• 1:59:42Tucker Carlson?

  That's like a clinical diagnosis.

• 1:59:44Speaker 02

  I mean, come on.

• 1:59:44Tucker Carlson?

  Have you seen a doctor?

• 1:59:45Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. You know who taught that theory of just diagnosing it? Yeah. Sigmund Freud. There we go. So I recognize what you're doing. I read the book. I read the book. You won't Grok AI me. I know what you guys are about. Um, yeah. If you, if you're telling the truth, just diagnose it. But yeah, I guess that's what they do. They diagnose it. But yeah, I think we are seeing all around the world, people are kind of waking up to that and they're responding to it. And they tried to crush you. They tried to crush you. You're lucky you're not an ex because all they do is try to crush you. You're trending all the time over the most mundane things.

• 2:00:17Tucker Carlson?

  I am.

• 2:00:17Speaker 02

  I love their hatred of Daryl Cooper. I love it because when you see him, he's like a nice historian.

• 2:00:23Tucker Carlson?

  And he really is.

• 2:00:24Speaker 02

  But the world can see that, right? So that's why it works. That's why you say, you ask me the question, Candace, why do you have so much joy? Because it is funny, right? And I think that my joy makes them even angrier because I think it's so ridiculous. You're trying to sell to me that this guy, Daryl Cooper, is the second coming of Adolf Hitler. Like, that's funny. And then it makes people curious because you're going, he's so clearly not. So what is it that he's hit upon that has you guys so triggered? It's gotta be a truth. Let me keep digging. And yeah, you, as soon as you start like asking any questions about the World War II narrative, which has been decided in our textbooks, which were printed by Robert Maxwell. Okay. Um, let's just forget it's that our Epstein series, you know, who, who, he who prints the textbook is king. You start asking

• 2:01:07Speaker 02

  other questions, right? How has my mind been shaped since I was a child? Why do I feel this way? Why do I have an emotional response to these things that I don't understand? And that was set up for you. We were set up to not ask questions about certain things. And so now they're arriving at their final point, and this is why I love it so much, is that we've now forced them into a corner where their legitimate argument, as if it couldn't get more absurd, is that we have to just stop asking questions, right? You're not just asking questions. This is their new thing. You, you're not just asking questions. Why are you asking questions? Say what you really mean. They're the ones that are so clearly undone that we can't even ask questions. So we're winning.

• 2:01:51Tucker Carlson?

  Funny thing is, I actually am asking questions.

• 2:01:54Speaker 02

  We all are.

• 2:01:54Tucker Carlson?

  I don't really understand a lot of things.

• 2:01:56Speaker 02

  Right. We all are. We're reading and we're learning and that scares them. So what does that tell you when exploring and learning and true education outside of the public school system terrifies them? What does it tell you? That they're hiding something. They're lying about something. You think I would be scared if you were asking questions and I knew the answers to them? I'd be like, yeah, no, here, you can come examine this a thousand times. Like, you're, you're lying about something and the whole world can see that. So, yeah, I'd be pretty upset if I were you too, because you have been on the side of the author of lies. You've been just-

• 2:02:29Tucker Carlson?

  Liars are afraid and weak, as I said, brittle, and you can just feel it. And I've experienced it. I've lied. And the second you lie, you're like afraid. Well, you're afraid, of course, of the lie being exposed, but I think the fear is deeper than that. I think it, I think it weakens you.

• 2:02:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it makes you look ridiculous.

• 2:02:45Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that, that's exactly right. It's, it's humiliating. So, we, we do have, a lot of our subscribers were very excited that you were coming, very excited. I feel like we have some overlap. Um, so they sent in a million questions. We'll get through a couple of them. There are actually good questions. Here's one. I don't know if you can even answer this. What do you think of the Daily Wire now that you've been gone for a while?

• 2:03:06Speaker 02

  I think I wish the best to the Daily Wire. I wouldn't have changed, I wouldn't change a single thing about what happened, how it went down. Uh, in the moment, it seemed so crazy, but I think in every action, people get to see who you are and what you're made of. And the Daily Wire got to tell their story and I got to tell mine. So.

• 2:03:24Tucker Carlson?

  So you get, I mean, you were a big deal, obviously, at the Daily Wire, a little bigger than we realized.

• 2:03:30Tucker Carlson?

  When you left, we found out what a big deal you were. So no one wants to lose a job where they're succeeding, but in retrospect, do you feel like that was part of a larger plan?

• 2:03:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, God's plan for sure.

• 2:03:40Tucker Carlson?

  That's what I mean.

• 2:03:41Speaker 02

  And now with the things and the discussions that I'm having with my viewers, there's no way I could have been at the Daily Wire. It just wouldn't have worked. You know, it worked for a little bit and then it suddenly was not working. And now definitively, we would not be a good match. And at the end of the day, I just don't view myself as in competition with the Daily Wire. Like, I am interested in totally different things.

• 2:04:01Tucker Carlson?

  Well, you're a lot bigger than the Daily Wire. Just on the numbers, you're much bigger than the Daily Wire.

• 2:04:05Speaker 02

  And I think that's in part because removing the Daily Wire as the conduit to my ideas was a good thing. Like, I got to, I don't have to have a bunch of people as it is at any corporation. Like, can you talk about the topic? Is it okay? What do the lawyers think?

• 2:04:18Tucker Carlson?

  Right, that's right.

• 2:04:18Speaker 02

  I got to remove all of that and I get to go right to my audience. So, I'm grateful.

• 2:04:21Tucker Carlson?

  And you don't have to take credit or blame for what others on that channel do. I mean, I felt this way working for big companies. It was like, I can't believe, I hate your company or I love your company. It's like, I, and it's not exactly- Connected to me. I mean, I worked there, but.

• 2:04:33Speaker 02

  Exactly. And I was, I'm definitely somebody that I think I thrive when I get to just truly say and express myself entirely, exactly how I feel every second of every day. And I'm interested in so many different topics and it was getting increasingly difficult to kind of explore things that I was interested in without having to worry about whether it would upset this person or that person, or how a legal person felt about this. And at that point, you're not having fun. Then it becomes a job, right? It always was a job, but then it becomes a job, meaning that you're waking up every day and you're like, ah. And now I wake up every day and I'm thrilled and I'm researching and I'm learning with my audience. So I'm happier. I hope the Daily Wire is happier. And that's it.

• 2:05:16Tucker Carlson?

  And this is another question. Do you ever fear that something that people want to harm you?

• 2:05:22Speaker 02

  I know people want to harm me, so I don't have to fear it.

• 2:05:25Tucker Carlson?

  Fair.

• 2:05:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. In case you missed it, a guy tried to kill me last year. A contact with the FBI. There's nothing to fear. Just embrace that, that people are deranged and people are crazy. And of course, people want to harm me. Do I fear it? No, because I don't, I don't fear death. And I think that that is the true challenge of being a Christian. I ask myself this question when there are so many people who purport to be Christians and they won't say things that they know are true, or they actually say things that they know to be false because they're fearful of losing their jobs, right? And if you are responding, or you're, or you're behaving in a certain way, or not saying something because you're fearful of something like the moment right now, do you believe in the afterlife? Do you believe in Christ?

• 2:06:10Speaker 02

  Do you know that you're actually not just trying to get paid by a check, but also trying to get into heaven? Right? That's the bigger thing. So I go for the bigger thing. And yeah, I know that no matter what, I will be okay. My husband makes sure that, he says his number one goal is to make sure that all of us are getting into heaven. So.

• 2:06:28Tucker Carlson?

  This is not the end.

• 2:06:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:06:30Tucker Carlson?

  Last question, do you have advice for the president whom you know? You said you spoke by phone, and you've been a supporter of his for a long time, but do you have advice for him now?

• 2:06:38Speaker 02

  Yes, my advice to him would be my advice to very many people who I've seen become very big and then get very small or have their supporters turn on them, which is, don't ever get to the point where you think you're smarter than your audience. And I think that for Trump right now, and I'm speaking specifically about the gaslighting of, are we so talking about Jeffrey Epstein and then saying, I don't want any supporters that are still into this? That means that you see yourself as a king and you've stopped listening. You're not responding to the movement anymore. And what made us get behind you was that despite the fact that we knew you were this boisterous billionaire, was that you had a way of communicating with and understanding how people felt, right? The blue collar worker, how that person felt, the person that's listening to you,

• 2:07:23Speaker 02

  the truck driver, the plumbers. And when you respond with, well, I don't want your support or gaslighting, you know, you've lost touch a little bit with your audience. Just don't never think that you're smarter than your audience. I'm constantly getting feedback from my audience and trying to figure out what they're interested in and how I can be better, even if it's slight tweaks of things like, oh, I don't like the way the audio sounds or this. And they like that, because then they know that you care, and I do care. And I think that Trump's message over the last few weeks with the Epstein fumble, as I'm going to refer to it as, makes people think that he doesn't care. And I think he does care, so he should change that.

• 2:07:58Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's very wise advice. I think that's the wisest advice you could give, not surprisingly.

• 2:08:03Speaker 02

  Got kids.

• 2:08:04Tucker Carlson?

  So my last question is, what is, because I was thinking about you in my song this morning. You do have like an obvious peace and joy about you. It's just obvious, it's not fake. It's just with you and your husband and your youngest child off camera, and it's totally real. What is your spiritual practice?

• 2:08:24Speaker 02

  Well, we're Catholic. My family's Catholic. When George and I first got married, I was not Catholic. I was Protestant. And to see just God's design in everything and how me and George met and how he then was so drawn back into his faith, like he was, I would definitely say he was not a practicing Catholic when we got married, or else he would have told me that I had to convert before we got married, actually, because he's that, he's that deep into the faith now. But our marriage has brought us closer to faith, and I made the decision, not knowing how all this is going to play out, but to become baptized into the Catholic Church. And it's just interesting how You know, there's so, there is a divine aspect to everything that's happening. The timing of everything. I never question God's timing, even when things seem terrible.

• 2:09:09Speaker 02

  Right? When the whole world is rooting for you to fail, saying she's canceled and it's over. The reason why I survived it and the reason why I'm happy is because I have real faith. And also because I know that that's just a veneer that's been created for us. The idea that like your media and that if the New York Times can take you out, you don't have enough substance in your life. They can't threaten me because they haven't created anything that's real in my life. They have no control over anything that's real in my life. And if you think I care about a headline, I couldn't care less about a headline. You're going to try to get me canceled from speaking at an event like, okay, they're probably serving rubber chicken anyways. That goes through great, amazing. And that's not going to be enough of a threat for me to give up speaking truth.

• 2:09:54Speaker 02

  Because, and this is the part that I really want to get to because it's super important for people to hear this. I'm encouraged when people say that I give them the courage. Right? That's the greatest thing. That's the greatest compliment that I can receive. That they were quiet about something and now they are vocal about it because they realize it matters. Our children are going to inherit the worlds that we allow them to inherit. So if we decide to become creatures of, you know, pleasure and creatures of social media and creatures of a lack of focus and ultimately creatures of fear and cowardice, they will inherit the world, right? That we've left behind for them. It's so important to stand up for what's right because your children, if you don't stand up to the demons, those demons are only going to grow more powerful.

• 2:10:38Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 2:10:39Speaker 02

  And your children are going to be the ones that suffer it. Right? So the question is, do you care enough about it to protect your children? To moms and dads, right? When you say, I didn't say the thing. So I just went along with the COVID thing. You would allow them to poison your kids? Like because you were just scared to say something? And again, because we live in this society of of pleasure and we live in the site, everything's so momentary and social media and a distraction, we've actually become a very weakened species. Like, I am so driven by who my grandfather was. I always say this. People are like, what's up with this girl? Why is she so happy? I say, my grandfather blessed me. He spoiled me. And I just looked up, looked at him as such a man, like truly what

• 2:11:21Speaker 02

  it means like to embody faith, his family, it was all that he cared about, faith, family. And he could look you in the eye and do a deal on a handshake, right? If he said he was gonna be there, he was gonna be there. If he said he wasn't gonna be, he was gonna do this, he was gonna do that, you know? We need to go back to that. We've lost that in this society. Everyone's so deceptive and sneaky and they don't say what they mean. And there's contracts and they're tricky contracts and everyone's leaking stuff to the press. It's have some respect, you know, for yourself and for your family to be a better person and to speak up when something is wrong.

• 2:11:54Tucker Carlson?

  Amen. I can't improve on that. Candace Owens, thank you.

• 2:11:57Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 2:11:58Tucker Carlson?

  For taking all this time and congratulations. I think that your example, even if people disagree with you, I think they have to say, this is a woman who's purely sincere. And I don't think there's a higher compliment. So.

• 2:12:12Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:12:13Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you.

• 2:12:13Speaker 02

  Thank you so much. A lot coming from you.

• 2:12:19Tucker Carlson?

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