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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  I'm Kenan.

• 1:08Speaker 04

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:09Doug DeMuro?

  And there's a lot to cover, so let's start with the news. Yes, the ZR1 X has been announced, and it's a really big thing. It's a 1,250 horsepower Corvette. They've taken this ZR1, and like a lot of people were expecting, they added the E-Ray hybrid all-wheel-drive situation, which bumped the power from 1064 to 1250. So there's a ZR1. You can say, "Oh, you new Corvette, is it a ZR1?" No, it's a ZR1 X.

• 1:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:41Doug DeMuro?

  This thing's gonna be pretty insane.

• 1:43Speaker 03

  You must be thrilled.

• 1:44Speaker 04

  I do love every Corvette variant, and I do legitimately love the E-Ray. So this is a nice combination of things.

• 1:51Speaker 03

  You do love the E-Ray.

• 1:52Speaker 04

  Who doesn't love the E-Ray?

• 1:53Speaker 03

  Oh, you know, the market.

• 1:54Doug DeMuro?

  I love the E-Ray, but I disagree.

• 1:56Speaker 04

  They're wrong.

• 1:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I think they're wrong. E-Ray's cool.

• 1:59Speaker 04

  So it's gonna be able to maintain one G of force of acceleration up to 85 miles an hour. From zero to 85, it'll maintain more than than than one G of acceleration, which is crazy. Under two second zero sixty time, under nine second standing quarter quarter mile, 150 mile an hour trap speed.

• 2:17Doug DeMuro?

  It's running eights with in the 150s from the factory.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a wild, wild, wild car. I have some questions. It's gonna be for sale by the end of 2025, pricing not yet announced. What is ZR1 pricing? ZR1 pricing is 180 ish. I imagine it'll be more than that, 200. It says the first Corvette to cross 200 grand, maybe.

• 2:43Speaker 04

  I do have some questions about why it's for why it's being announced right now. Is the ZR1 is not really available yet. It's like, will this steal sales from that? I don't know, maybe.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  I bet it doesn't. I just don't think I think it's such a different. It's just such a different vehicle.

• 2:59Doug DeMuro?

  No, I mean, there'll be people who now wait on a ZR1 to get a ZR1X, but I don't know. I think the Corvettes ultimately has been out for six years. So at some point, there's, you know, you gotta kind of start moving things along. There's probably a facelift coming. They did that interior facelift. But still, like, this is that is an absolutely monstrous, monstrous number. You know, when Corvette was redesigned, I went to the product launch and they made a big thing. It was in Vegas, which is fitting. And they made a big thing about how the move to mid-engine was in part because they were running out of. They were reaching the limits of what they could do with a front engine, rear wheel drive car and chassis and engineering setup. And they wanted the ability to expand and do more.

• 3:44Doug DeMuro?

  And mid-engine gave them that. And this car and the ZR1 are such proof of exactly what they were talking about. Like, you were never gonna make a 1,250 horsepower C7, you know, like OE. But with mid-engine and with all-wheel drive and with the hybrid system, you know, powering the front wheels, you actually have the ability to do that, which is why a lot of the craziest powerful cars are mid-engine. And here we're seeing it like this is this is the Corvette of the Corvettes. Like anybody who doesn't think the Corvette is now, you know, has reached supercar territory. Here it is. I mean, it's it's it's kind of hard to deny at this point at over 200 grand and at 1,200 horsepower.

• 4:21Speaker 04

  I I I'm sure we haven't seen the fastest version of the Rovalto and the other kind of modern crop of hybrid supercars, but the it's this is gonna be half the price, a third of the price of a Rovalto and be faster zero sixty, be have 250 more horsepower than that, still be not just electric. This I'm trying to think of other gas powered cars that are put out this much power that are readily available.

• 4:44Speaker 03

  I yeah, I think I remember reading even when the ZR1 came out for its price, there's nothing that comes close to like if you want to go 200 miles an hour. I mean, for the price, there is nothing that

• 4:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, well, I mean, from an acceleration horsepower perspective, of course, there's the Teslas.

• 4:58Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 4:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, but like there's a bunch of fully EVs that do that, but I can't think of any other gas powered cars that come close.

• 5:05Doug DeMuro?

  Especially sports cars. I mean, you're you know, the Corvettes, the Corvettes USP has always been that it is like a the value prop compared to, you know, Porsches and Ferraris, but like it was always, you know, it was an era where all cars were slower. Now here's a car that is zero to sixty in under two seconds. I mean, Filippo can't even handle that, Kenan.

• 5:26Speaker 04

  I don't think I can. I don't think I can. That's accurate.

• 5:29Doug DeMuro?

  Turn into liquid, Kenan. He would turn into liquid.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 5:33Doug DeMuro?

  An actual liquid.

• 5:37Speaker 03

  Felipe Flo.

• 5:38Speaker 04

  This is just insane, right? Like a Corvette, Chevy dealers must be thrilled because this is a true halo product in a way that the Corvette hasn't been for for a bit.

• 5:48Doug DeMuro?

  Chevy dealers are probably thrilled, but the thing is these cars are all sold out and what Chevy dealers would really be thrilled by is a really great uh demand market demand shifting market demand for EVs.

• 5:59Doug DeMuro?

  But that ain't coming. Filippo, why don't you tell us about the Wagoneer thing? That's the real news story of the week.

• 6:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, it turns out that you can you can lease a Wagoneer S, so the electric Jeep, for zero money down, zero money down and $299 a month. That's a 600 horsepower, 3.5 seconds zero to sixty, brand new SUV for $299 a month.

• 6:22Doug DeMuro?

  Is that the cheapest way to beat a Enzo zero to sixty? All right. What's our next news story? That's only 7,200 bucks. Speaking of cheap, what is this gonna cost?

• 6:35Speaker 04

  This is, okay, let me first say what it is. This is the new Nissan Leaf. So you might remember the Leaf as the car that nobody cares about despite it being the first real EV to market.

• 6:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  In the US.

• 6:44Doug DeMuro?

  EV, this was the Model T of electric cars, damn it. It paved the way.

• 6:50Speaker 04

  It did. It did. It's now in its third generation after everybody forgot the second generation existed.

• 6:55Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 6:55Speaker 04

  And it's now like a more crossover you want. It's gonna start in the mid 30s, mid $30,000 range. It's gonna have 300 miles of range and it is very exciting for you, Kenan. Do you want to guess how much horsepower it will produce?

• 7:08Speaker 03

  Uh, let me see. A wild guess. I feel like it's gonna be in the 350 range.

• 7:13Speaker 04

  Up to 214 horsepower.

• 7:15Speaker 03

  Up to 214, hard ceiling at 214.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  They're not going for speed. They're going for efficiency.

• 7:21Speaker 03

  I mean, going for forward motion would be nice. Like, that's 214.

• 7:25Speaker 04

  214 is more horsepower than most of my cars.

• 7:28Doug DeMuro?

  How do these automakers justify holding back the performance level of their electric cars considering that it is so easy to attain power with EVs and other manufacturers aren't holding back their performance?

• 7:39Speaker 04

  In this case, they're certainly going for price and the model they've announced has just a single motor. It's a single front mounted motor instead of the like motor in wheels that the more expensive EVs are going to where you can increment power kind of infinitely.

• 7:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but so they're going for price.

• 7:54Speaker 04

  Efficiency.

• 7:55Doug DeMuro?

  But what is a cheap Model 3 cost that has more power than this thing? 214, come on. Plus, you can get a used Model 3 Performance on carsandbids.com, folks. Carsandbids.com for like 14.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  Smooth.

• 8:06Speaker 04

  Used EVs are gonna be the big problem for every EV manufacturer because they just are not holding value and so they're incredibly attractive deal. A couple more things about this Leaf. It's like a massive departure in terms of styling from the old one. It's like a coupe SUV type look. It is, fun fact, shorter than the last Leaf, which is already a pretty small car. So this is gonna be small. Like, I'm thinking Toyota CHR sized for those that that resonates with. Which is nobody that listens to this podcast. And it's a new EV from Nissan.

• 8:38Speaker 03

  Actually.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  Can you name the other Nissan EV?

• 8:41Doug DeMuro?

  I thought it was an SUV. It looks like the Aria. It's not an SUV?

• 8:45Speaker 04

  It it's like SUV shaped-esque, coupe SUV shaped, but small.

• 8:49Doug DeMuro?

  It looks like, you know what it looks like is the crown, the Toyota crown.

• 8:52Speaker 04

  It does. It does. The Aria is Nissan's other SUV, other EV, which is like a larger, rounder SUV. This is smaller.

• 9:00Speaker 03

  It's actually very good. I think it's a nice looking car. Just 214 horsepower.

• 9:05Doug DeMuro?

  Thirty-five, dude, you you actually made an interesting point just now. Aren't used cars a problem for EVs? What about that? What are, used EVs, it used to be that people didn't want to buy used cars because they were unreliable, right? And that was like the reason that they, well, wait a minute, used EVs, they're not unreliable necessarily. Why can't we, why would you buy that instead of, what are these, what are we selling Model 3s for?

• 9:25Speaker 03

  Eighteen Performance went for 16 grand.

• 9:28Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my, a performance? What a regular one.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Model 3, no, Model 3 Performance, a lot of miles, but still, but also.

• 9:35Doug DeMuro?

  That's a stealth performance.

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Stealth.

• 9:36Doug DeMuro?

  But still.

• 9:37Speaker 03

  Still.

• 9:38Doug DeMuro?

  Go to, go to lowest price.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  Twenty-five, twenty-one.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, you can get three-year-old ones for twenty, for low twenties all day.

• 9:44Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, are these under 10 yet?

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Uh, I don't think I see one under 10, but I think the tax credit, EU EV tax credit might apply for some.

• 9:52Doug DeMuro?

  If I got a high mileage, if I got a high mileage 17, what is it, what did this one sell for?

• 9:57Speaker 03

  Fifteen-five for one with 132,000 miles.

• 10:00Doug DeMuro?

  It's getting there.

• 10:01Speaker 03

  Model 3 long range.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  Model Ss you can get very close to.

• 10:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but those are all cars now, and those do have some reliability issues. Uh, okay, that's the new Nissan Leaf kind of deal. What other news stories you got? Anything fun?

• 10:14Speaker 04

  What's, what's next, Ken?

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Ah, yes. So Honda, Honda has recently announced that they're going to start making components for older cars. Now, I think this is a big deal because it shows that they're willing to support their legacy vehicles that exist. Uh, it was kind of hinted at the NSX as one of those cars, like important cars from their past. And I think this is a huge deal as someone who owns an aging performance car from another brand, uh, that a lot of parts are no longer available. And I don't mean like, oh, it's hard to get. Nope, they're gone. That's it. And that is unbelievably infuriating for like basic components. I'm looking straight down the barrel of my M5.

• 10:50Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, but so you just buy a parts car. That's what Filippo and I do with our TR6s.

• 10:54Speaker 04

  That's what I did with my 1994 Honda Accord. Yeah.

• 10:57Speaker 03

  Right, because those, yeah.

• 10:58Doug DeMuro?

  The problem is it gets stolen.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  Right, with a spoon. But the thing is, I'm happy to hear that they are considering doing this because it means that they're willing to invest in the legacy of their brand. And a lot of manufacturers are very good at this. Mercedes-Benz Classic is wonderful at this. Porsche Classic is great at this. Audi and BMW are awful at this. And a lot of brands that have built, have these great past cars, just don't support them. And it means that it's harder for enthusiasts like us to keep them on the road. So the fact that Honda is even willing to explore this with 3D printing and new production techniques of making these old components that either contracts have run out with manufacturers that produce it for them is a big deal, especially at that level. And again, this is a company that sells millions of cars a year and they don't really have to be concerned with this, but the fact that they care enough about

• 11:45Speaker 03

  cars like the NSX or the, you know, like cars of that ill.

• 11:49Speaker 04

  The Tegra Type R probably.

• 11:50Speaker 03

  The Tegra Type R predominantly is the car, yeah.

• 11:52Speaker 04

  I do agree with your point. Like this is all about legacy and can you, for the vast majority of owners of NSXs, they put miles on it. They're not going to try to keep it perfect. But if you have like a really low mile, perfect one, and you want support from the factory to keep it pristine, to fix the things that maybe age out. If you want the legacy of, like, we have the coolest old cars that are perfect, that have been perfected, that have been restored. Eventually you need manufacturer support.

• 12:17Doug DeMuro?

  However, what I would say is, there's no real reason to want that legacy unless you maybe have some products upcoming that are, that are part of the lineage. You know what I mean?

• 12:31Speaker 03

  I do.

• 12:31Doug DeMuro?

  What does Honda care what happens to the NSX later in life? Unless they want people to buy a new one and those people think that Honda still cares about these cars and performance and supporting them and resale value and reliability.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Right.

• 12:42Doug DeMuro?

  So I wouldn't be surprised if there's something to that. I also was very disappointed when this news story started. They showed a picture, you guys showed a picture of the old NSX and Kenan started by saying, Honda has announced that they're going to produce. And I was like, oh, it's coming. And then now they're gonna make parts.

• 12:59Speaker 03

  No, sorry. Yeah, not quite there yet. Maybe next week. But for now, it's, I'm very excited about this for, on behalf of Honda owners, because I understand exactly what that means. Means and boy, I wish BMW would wake up and actually give some support to their classic vehicles. But nonetheless, I think that it's a, I think this is, this is great. And I hope more manufacturers do this and Honda is, is very good at making like, understands that they need to make parts of high, high quality, not just like to make the parts. So I think it's

• 13:28Doug DeMuro?

  every day I live in fear that my Ford GT door latch will stop working.

• 13:33Speaker 03

  Or any of the gauges or taillight.

• 13:35Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, gauges and taillights are available. The door latch unavailable.

• 13:39Speaker 03

  In LA.

• 13:40Doug DeMuro?

  Let me tell you something. If that door doesn't latch, I can't, I.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  You're just got to Dukes of Hazzard. It's hard enough to get into that car with the doors that do open. So if you do not have an opening door, it makes it pretty tough.

• 13:52Doug DeMuro?

  Now, is, is, has anyone ever had a door latch fail? Nope.

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• 15:26Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, uh, move on to our next news story, please. Ooh, a Jeep driving over some dirt.

• 15:31Speaker 04

  All right, so here's the story.

• 15:32Doug DeMuro?

  Tell us about this one.

• 15:34Speaker 04

  Part of the bill that the House and the Senate are reconciling, part of the big, beautiful bill, is that they're mandating, as part of that bill, which has not yet passed, has not been finalized, has not yet been signed by the president, I want to make that really clear, they're mandating that the Bureau of Land Management, the BLM, and the US Forest Service sell more than 2 million acres of public land over the next five years and are allowed to sell up to 258 million acres of land. This is primarily, almost entirely, land to the, in like the far western state, in the southwest and up the west coast. Here's the connection to cars. This is fundamentally a political story, but there is a deep connection to cars, which is a lot of car enthusiasts use BLM land, especially if you're from the west. If you're from the east coast, you might not recognize how much public land there is,

• 16:18Speaker 04

  kind of west of New Mexico. But a lot of enthusiasts out here use that land to go off-roading, to go camping, to go exploring, to take long road trips. Matt Fair of the Smoking Tire famously has done a bunch of those. And that land might become private. And once it's private, certainly by most accounts, will not be available to enthusiasts to drive on, will not be available for off-roading, will not be available for hiking, etc. Something that a lot of people with their Wranglers, with their Subaru Vs that we're going to be talking about, are out there doing. Which could be really sad. If you're into off-roading, this might legitimately impact your ability to use public land for that purpose.

• 16:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I agree. Public land is the greatest gift that the Western United States, it's the only benefit that the Western United States has over the eastern states, aside from lack of humidity. And, and it's, it's, I've always, I grew up around tons of public land, and I was astonished when I learned that some of these other places don't have it. People in the east don't understand. You can just, and this is something I was told, even, this is, this is, the Republicans are mainly pushing this through, this is something I've been, a lot of conservative friends of mine are actually the ones who are users of this land. They like to go out and shoot their guns and drive their truck. And, and I'm, you know, 2 million acres is nothing in the grand scheme, but if, if hundreds of millions of acres are potentially sold, that, that could be sad. It's, we do it,

• 17:37Doug DeMuro?

  we take our cars, I mean, I've taken the G-Wagon and the other cars just off, in California, you get far enough out, you can just kind of turn off the road and just go. And there's no one around to stop you, and there's nothing, no rules really, you just do what you want. And so that's an interesting situation.

• 17:54Speaker 04

  It's an incredible resource that might very well be sold as part of the legislation. Some of it will have to be sold.

• 18:02Doug DeMuro?

  Would you buy some of this land, Felipe?

• 18:04Speaker 04

  I don't know that I really have a purpose for any of it now.

• 18:09Speaker 04

  The theory, by the way, and what Republicans in Congress are advocating for is this could make money. Right? You sell the land, sell it for money. There could also be housing built on some of this land. Of course, most of the land is quite far from any place people want to live. If you actually look at where this land is located, very small percentages near a city. So it's questionable, kind of from outside reports, how much would actually be able to be sold for real amounts of revenue for the federal government. But it would mean certainly the loss of a lot of off-roading, camping, nature land.

• 18:42Doug DeMuro?

  Nature, the bears, you know?

• 18:44Speaker 04

  Bears.

• 18:44Doug DeMuro?

  Can I hear about the bears?

• 18:45Speaker 03

  The bears, well.

• 18:47Speaker 04

  He's from Chicago, he knows.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  I'm not from Chicago, I'm from Cleveland. Give me a break, unbelievable.

• 18:52Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, remember, if it's brown, lay down. If it's black, fight back. And if it's white, you're dead.

• 18:59Speaker 04

  You're dead.

• 19:00Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, give us the next news story.

• 19:03Speaker 04

  Speaking of Subaru EVs, I knew you would get there.

• 19:05Doug DeMuro?

  Heard of that because he's never seen a bear. He doesn't know what a bear is.

• 19:08Speaker 03

  He doesn't know what a bear is, yeah, that's right.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  Fun fact, when I first moved to the US, we moved to Western Massachusetts, there were brown bears at our door most mornings.

• 19:15Doug DeMuro?

  Did you?

• 19:16Speaker 04

  No, you mean black bears.

• 19:17Doug DeMuro?

  You mean black bears?

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Black bears. Black bears, yeah.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Black bears are very like social.

• 19:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're kind of a kid.

• 19:24Speaker 03

  You don't really know anything about animals.

• 19:26Speaker 04

  I know nothing about animals. Um, alright.

• 19:28Doug DeMuro?

  Grizzly bears were parading, they were walking into Boston, they were.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  The famed Boston Grizzlies.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  Western Mass. A few weeks ago, we talked about the Subaru Trail Seeker, which is the wagon version of the Subaru Solterra and Toyota BZ. Formerly the BZ4X, now the BZ. Toyota has now announced their version of that, to nobody's surprise, which is going to be called the BZ Woodland. Uh, and it's a station wagon SUV thing. Uh, 375 horsepower, uh, up to 260 miles of range, all-wheel drive. It's fundamentally a wagon version of that EV. But here's the cool thing. Toyota now sells two station wagons. And no enthusiasts care, even though they should, but Toyota truly sells two station wagons. And no other manufacturer now sells two station wagons.

• 20:14Doug DeMuro?

  I saw one of them Crown Signias just today.

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Yep, there's a Crown Signia, which is a hybrid station wagon.

• 20:19Doug DeMuro?

  The Crown Signia, though, is unappealing. This is pretty appealing.

• 20:22Speaker 04

  If we're being honest, I don't, not interested in either, but both exist.

• 20:25Doug DeMuro?

  Why are you not interested in this one? It has, it's, it's got big power. It's got four wheel drive. It's got decent range. It's gonna be affordable. What's wrong with this?

• 20:33Speaker 04

  Nothing wrong with it. It looks better than the Super version.

• 20:35Doug DeMuro?

  What's the problem?

• 20:37Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, let me tell you something.

• 20:38Speaker 04

  You're right. You're right. I am into it. I had to rethink that.

• 20:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. If Wagoneer S's are leasing at $299 with zero down, this is like an $84 a month car. Like, I, I really think you're gonna be in cell phone territory.

• 20:51Speaker 04

  I'm into it. And, and once the Crown Signia becomes cheap, I will maybe be into it.

• 20:58Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think the Crown Signia is that desirable, but this car has power. Like, this is gonna actually be like a pretty enjoyable car and from an acceleration. Like, if you could have this or an Outback Wilderness, what, this is kind of an appealing alternative, no?

• 21:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, if, if, if an EV works for your Outback lifestyle, yeah. The Crown Signia, by the way, it's kind of appealing. If you're shopping for an Outback or equivalent. It's similar size, way better fuel economy, doesn't look bad. I mean, I'm into the Crown Signia too.

• 21:23Doug DeMuro?

  EV, an EV does work for my outdoor lifestyle because my outdoor lifestyle is mainly centered around going to Western Massachusetts to find grizzly bears.

• 21:32Speaker 04

  All right, moving on.

• 21:33Doug DeMuro?

  You never know, Ken, and you never know.

• 21:35Speaker 03

  I mean, I used to go to the UP to find polar bears.

• 21:38Doug DeMuro?

  Might storm Albany. By the way, speaking of Albany, you know what the real news story of the week is? Have you guys been following the mayor's election in New York City?

• 21:46Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 21:47Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, New York City mayor, they're up for election, okay? And, and this happens every few years. And what happens is many, many people run and they're all universally agreed to be terrible candidates. And then they end up with someone bad. And that's been true the last several.

• 21:59Speaker 04

  That is the story of, of New York City.

• 22:01Doug DeMuro?

  And that's the story this time. However, however, I have learned an interesting fact. The frontrunner in the race is this fellow named Andrew Cuomo, who, you may remember, he was the governor and then he, he had to resign because he sexually assaulted all sorts of people. And you'd think that would be disqualifying, but somehow it is not. But the point of this is, you know what he drives? Did we talk about this?

• 22:20Speaker 04

  You mentioned it, but I had forgotten.

• 22:21Doug DeMuro?

  He drives Dodge Charger Wide Body Scam Pack 392, and he's been getting school zone speed limit tickets all over the city.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  Oh, oh.

• 22:35Doug DeMuro?

  You should see this thing, this, this, and, and he's this muscle car, he's up in there, you know, he's, he's a disgraced governor driving around in this thing. He's come to fire your dad.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  Do you think he's white line certified? He's part of swim club, you know, just cutting up the.

• 22:50Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe he is, maybe he is.

• 22:53Speaker 03

  I think he is.

• 22:54Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe he's doing that. Uh, anyway, Felipe, you don't have any commentary on that?

• 22:59Speaker 04

  No.

• 23:01Doug DeMuro?

  You don't have any commentary on the, God, Felipe's too, he's afraid of getting into any political anything. But I'm sitting here telling you Andrew Cuomo's got a charger 392. Do with that what you want. Some people are gonna be like, I'm voting for him. And some people are gonna be like, you know what? I think I'm not gonna vote for him now.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  All I'll say that the, the, the most recent Manurel winner lived in New Jersey. Uh, and is, is maybe a vegan. Uh, so like, I would associate him with owning a charger scat pack. So where does Andrew Cuomo live? You know, that's the question.

• 23:28Doug DeMuro?

  He doesn't live in New York. Then none of these people can find their way into New York City. That's the other thing. Okay, all right, we gotta move on. I don't know why we're talking about New York. Nobody here has ever been to New York. Uh, Felipe, is there, are there other news stories?

• 23:37Speaker 04

  Yes, there is.

• 23:38Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, good.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Here's a, there's a story that, that only I care about, but I really wanna talk about it.

• 23:43Doug DeMuro?

  That's a great intro for a news story, Felipe, for a well.

• 23:46Speaker 04

  Thank you. I, I'm really trying to, trying to draw interest in it.

• 23:49Speaker 03

  Sounds like another Felipe news story to me.

• 23:50Speaker 04

  I, I came across an article last week about BYD, Build Your Dreams, which is a large, uh, Chinese automaker. Their executive vice president Stella Lee stated that China's electric vehicle price war is very extreme, not sustainable, and she predicts that there'll be consolidation in the sector, uh, because of these kind of very, very insane price wars. Basically, BYD kicked off, uh, a bunch of price discounting for their EVs that has made every other competitor in the Chinese EV space lower their prices, throw in additional incentives, and basically just fully erode their margins. BYD has cash.

• 24:29Doug DeMuro?

  This is a more interesting news story than I was expecting. You know, we've been talking because we've had a few of these Chinese EVs here in the in the studio and we filmed a few videos with them. We got another one coming up in a couple of weeks. And we've been talking about how can they deliver these cars at this price point? And it turns out the answer is.

• 24:44Speaker 04

  They don't make any money. Yep. So BYD has very much kicked us off. Their best position to handle a price war fundamentally of the Chinese EVs. But the Chinese government has stepped in to intervene in specific cases to prop up some manufacturers that were going out of business as a result of this because they were burning too much money. BYD has gained market share as a result, but they are basically predicting at some point this will have to end. There'll have to be consolidation. There'll have to be fewer manufacturers. That might also mean less innovation, might in the future mean higher prices if this level of pricing is not sustainable. Now, in the short term. Go ahead.

• 25:18Doug DeMuro?

  Is BYD, so is the implication that BYD is intentionally trying to undercut automakers to force them out of, like, is this like an anti-competitive thing? Is that kind of what's being said?

• 25:30Speaker 04

  No, so this is somebody from BYD saying this is not going to be sustainable. And their stock price has taken a little bit of a hit as their profits have really gone down because their profit margin share is going down.

• 25:41Doug DeMuro?

  The point kind of is that the big winner is going to be able to kind of steal, right? Because if BYD can kind of get ahead of this and like, and like outlast smaller companies that can't wait and not make as much money. Okay, interesting.

• 25:54Speaker 04

  It's also.

• 25:55Doug DeMuro?

  It's sort of like a monopoly situation.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's also led to a situation where BYD and some others are investing heavily in markets outside of China because fundamentally they need to to make enough money per vehicle. They can certainly charge a little bit more in other markets where there isn't that same level of price competition.

• 26:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 26:11Speaker 04

  But it'll be interesting to see what happens. What was that?

• 26:14Doug DeMuro?

  The Jakarta market, you can.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, for example. No, I really meant Europe, but Jakarta market certainly major for them as well. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Chinese EVs have taken over market share, market share in China dramatically. They've really increased EV adoption. The low prices have certainly helped that. If it's not sustainable, where does that go becomes a real question.

• 26:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and this is surprising neither of us because we've spent time in these cars and they're such excellent cars and it's like, how are they delivered at this price point? And that's an interesting thing and it makes some sense. We'll see. Maybe, maybe the Americans aren't as far behind the Chinese as we thought.

• 26:53Speaker 04

  No, we are.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  Well, our cars can't float yet, so there's that.

• 26:55Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. Our cars can't float nor can they jump.

• 26:57Speaker 04

  Talk to Helmut J about that.

• 26:59Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember that Forrest, Forrest did a video, is everybody here watching Forrest? You saw the Forrest video where the car jumps?

• 27:06Speaker 04

  I have not seen that one.

• 27:07Speaker 03

  Do the thing where, it's an amazing video you need to watch.

• 27:10Doug DeMuro?

  Have you seen this, Felipe? He went to China and did the jumping car. He's in China with the jumping car. You gotta see it.

• 27:17Speaker 04

  I will watch it. Forrest Auto Reviews, our friend Forrest.

• 27:20Doug DeMuro?

  We're shouting him out today. He's our sponsor. No, he's actually not, but we like him. All right, move on to our last news story, please.

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• 29:40Speaker 03

  Uh, yes, shipping cars. Now Doug, you've shipped quite a few cars across the country. It's something that we all have had to deal with at some point. And we actually run.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  I only buy cars located within a mile.

• 29:49Speaker 03

  Right, that's right. Fleba doesn't buy cars that aren't located at the end of his street. But we've run an auction company that deals with a lot of shipping of cars. And recently, there's been some concern in the news that shipping cars has become kind of dangerous. There is a crime ring that was recently shut down about a month ago. There were 12 people involved that were, that were shipping cars out of the country, that were intercepting cars and shipping out of the country. And so I got in contact with our shipping partner, PAL, P-A-L, to talk about this because I was, I was curious about it. Most of the time, the cars being targeted are very high dollar value, like cars, like McLarens, the Urus, like a very high end SUVs, but like that sort of thing is what was being targeted. And they told me that all of the top shippers in the country have actually come together over this issue and have actually

• 30:31Speaker 03

  independently formed their own council to keep things, to keep an eye on top of things. And they've run into like a couple of different scams that are coming out. One is like the lucky guest scam where like someone will actually just go to a dealer and say, I'm here to pick up a car. They've seen listed either like, but and like. Having worked at a dealership, I know how this works. So like, all right, it's sold, give the keys, it's gone. It's uh, they don't care. The second they got their money, they're done.

• 30:52Doug DeMuro?

  Are shockingly available at car dealerships.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  Shockingly available. So like, one way around that, of course, is dealers can verify the information of the ship. I've seen some stuff at car dealers and I know that happens to be a spot that's tough. Hacking is also something that has happened where they've gotten uh, credentials to people's accounts for various boards. And they're able to sort of mess around with things and change locations of where cars are going. That's pretty common. Part stealing is another one where a car will get picked up. They'll steal parts off of it and deliver it and the parts are just missing from the car, which is kind of weird. And then ransom situations where there's like some confusing, like they might put, a shipper will put out a rate that seems good. You'll select that, they'll take it and then they'll hold your car for ransom. So wow. So Powell has been mitigating this by like their background research on people is unbelievable.

• 31:39Doug DeMuro?

  Before you can like be a shipper that works for them.

• 31:41Speaker 03

  It's incredible. Now, the documentation can be faked, but they, the, the systems they're using to pick up the slightest inconsistency between pieces of documentation is extreme. I was shocked at how like deep they go, but like even if you change something within a certain period of time, like an address or even like, just like you've changed like a period in something for an abbreviation. They pick it up and it's flagged in their system. Like they're that level of detailed stuff. And they're also verifying like IP addresses of where stuff is being submitted from. Is it consistent throughout that? They're looking for, they're monitoring people like DOT numbers and all of this stuff. So they've been doing a ton of that stuff. They've also, you know, whenever they, a car of this ilk is being shipped, they flag it in their system to extra scrutinize everything that goes on around it.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  And having delivered like a number of cars that have been picked up at the cars and bids office for the shipper, they send me all of the information of here's what the vehicle looks like. Here's the person's name. Here's their DOT number. Verify all of that. Before you release the cars. I've done all that stuff directly from them, which has been, which has been really, really useful. They're also working on more like GPS stuff on like tracking cars. So you can see as a person who has a car that like, okay, here's exactly where it is. Uh, in the past, Doug and I have done a really great act, which is put a, an air tag in your car like that's being shipped. And that is wonderful because you can, this is kind of fun. You can see. It's kind of cool.

• 32:55Speaker 04

  Let your driver know.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, let your driver know, exactly. And they've been, so they've been doing a lot of work around mitigating that. Unfortunately, the recourse for people who do have their cars stolen is difficult. The cars move pretty fast and once they're gone, they're usually exported pretty quickly, usually going for the Eastern Bloc of Europe, somewhere in Africa, the typical places these cars get sold to. But the point that Powell made is they're cutting it off early. And so far in their time, they have not experienced a single car that has been stolen during their shipping period, which is again, I'm very happy that we're partners with them. But it is fascinating to me that this has galvanized that an entire industry that kind of struggles with shipping. It's not necessarily the most pleasant part of selling a car. But the really great actors within that business are really focused on eliminating this issue.

• 33:41Speaker 03

  And they're doing, to my understanding, like they're doing a great job. They have conferences about this, they all stay in touch, they have a database of bad actors, they know where the bad people are. So like, if you go through one of these reputable companies to ship it, and we make it very easy on Carsomis to do so, like, it really mitigates a substantial amount of that concern.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  That's good to know.

• 33:58Doug DeMuro?

  Interesting.

• 33:59Speaker 04

  That's good info.

• 33:59Doug DeMuro?

  Interesting. I have been a little concerned about that. We've been hearing more and more reports of, you know, whatever it is hacking or the car gets sent to, someone picks it up and takes it to wherever.

• 34:09Speaker 03

  It's a lot.

• 34:10Doug DeMuro?

  You've got to be careful.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  You do have to be careful. In my understanding, it's a lot of the person who's shipping the car doing your own due diligence. Like, making sure, like, just check the basic things and, like, communicate with the shipping company. Like, it's pretty easy to do, and you'd be surprised at the small steps you can take to avoid this happening to you. It's when you just sort of do things in a blasé way that you get into trouble and it certainly happens.

• 34:30Doug DeMuro?

  Shipping is also. Maybe. I mean, I think some of these people try to, they do as much diligence as they know to do. But I think the point of this is, like, do more. Like, I don't think that everybody who's gotten scammed so far has been blasé or negligent. But I think, um, I think that now that we know that this is going on, especially, it's important to be, like, particularly on top of.

• 34:47Speaker 03

  And both dealers and private sellers, you just have to be careful.

• 34:51Speaker 04

  I will say, I was part of setting up our agreement with with Paltor, our shipping partner in cards, but shipping as like as an entity. And I did a bunch of research and like insurance and what kind of things need to do. And it's complicated. We made a really big point working, working with Palt to make sure that kind of every shipment was insured to the level it needed to be. But that's not true of like, if you just go out and book shipping through any like the larger dealer shipping brokerage sites, it's complicated. And none of it makes that much sense. And I can very much imagine that a few bit impacted, every person is pointing you to somebody else to actually get your restitution to figure out who's liable. It becomes a real nightmare.

• 35:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, it becomes confusing. Yeah. And a lot of shippers will get something and then they'll send out to a subcontractor, which Palt violates their kinds of use and they don't allow that to happen. And so, yeah, it becomes hard to keep track of who actually dealt with my car.

• 35:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. Use cards means just shipping. They're, they're great because of the steps that they're taking here. But it's been a wild story to watch.

• 35:47Speaker 03

  Exactly. I'm not just saying that because we're partnered with them, like actually getting to talk to their team and like they walk me through what they're doing. Like I was genuinely very impressed as someone who's worked in this industry for almost a decade now. I was impressed.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  It's been a while. It was in the news again this week, just what I were talking about it for a couple of cars stolen from dealerships, transition between dealerships, and those dealers are fighting amongst themselves and how to figure out who did something wrong to get to that point. Because it's crazy story.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  Start with the salesman who is just like, yep, get this thing. That's probably where it starts.

• 36:16Doug DeMuro?

  We got to move on to our next segment, which is the top car segment. In this segment, what do we do, Felipe? We talk about?

• 36:23Speaker 04

  Bears?

• 36:25Speaker 03

  You could use an education, it sounds like.

• 36:28Doug DeMuro?

  The top car segment is brought to you by the hats that are behind me. Now, I want to tell you a little story. Our producer, his name is Sean, he has a bad G-Wagon, a bad color. He, I think he still has it. He doesn't like that the hats are behind me. Comment your opinions below. Um, can we do something about the hats? He says, hey, can we, can we get those hats out of there? What about the sweatshirts, Sean?

• 36:57Speaker 04

  Has he made any comment about the elephant or no? Is the elephant okay?

• 37:01Doug DeMuro?

  I think he's okay with the elephant because it's whimsical and I don't think he thinks the hats are whimsical. I think he thinks I'm recording this in a closet, which is true. Uh, okay. I don't have any top cars, but Filippo wants to tell us about his experience with a Chevy Suburbans, which I'm sure will be stimulating.

• 37:15Speaker 04

  It will. Thank you. Uh, last week I drove from DC to Cape Cod. Uh, we were with some friends and so I knew to rent the car to do that drive. Cause we're going, we're going one, one way. Uh, and I was traveling with my wife and a friend and that friend's two children, two young children. So I knew it'd have a lot of stuff. So I did the rational thing and went to book a car, uh, to rent. And I wanted a minivan, but I'm me and renting an executive SUV or premium SUV, or whatever they called it, was a hundred dollars cheaper. So that's what I did.

• 37:45Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. You're kidding. That's why this happened?

• 37:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's why this happened. I really wanted a Chrysler Pacifica, but instead I ended up with a Chevy Suburban Z71. A brand new Chevy Suburban Z71 had like 2,000 miles on it. And you know what?

• 37:57Doug DeMuro?

  Before you get into the Suburban thing, can we talk about why you like the Pacifica so much relative to the other vans? It's a great minivan.

• 38:04Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no. I, to be clear, it's not the best vans, just the only van that I expect at a rental car company.

• 38:09Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. But you have previously said that like if your dream car is like a plug-in Pacifica, like.

• 38:14Speaker 04

  It's the only one that's a plug-in hybrid. It's the only minivan plug-in hybrid.

• 38:17Doug DeMuro?

  It's like a real hybrid and the plug-in Pacificas are all, they're all causing, have all sorts of problems.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  That's the reason I don't own one. Uh, but the, I, I, it's, it's still the best one. It's so good. It's such a good automobile. I've had many rental Chrysler Pacificas and they're all great.

• 38:32Speaker 03

  I went on a trip recently, had a Pacifica S. It was actually very good and our producer talked about its great chassis dynamics on the, on the racetrack.

• 38:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, there you go.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Not what I expected to hear.

• 38:40Speaker 04

  Every automotive filmmaker has hustled a Chrysler Pacifica around a racetrack and they all love it. Truly.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  And Filippo's a track guy.

• 38:49Speaker 04

  And I'm, I'm, I'm a track guy now.

• 38:51Speaker 03

  Get back to the Suburban.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  All right. So I drove this, this Z71 Suburban, uh, all up. Interstate ninety five throughout the northeast. And it was great. The new one has like a full wraparound screen. It's quite good. Huge carplay. It's so big. And it was also the quietest vehicle I've driven in a long time. Like the the noise isolation they've done has been notable. I haven't driven like a new car in a while. I don't do new cars except for I guess GTI is not that old. But like I haven't driven like a large new SUV. But it was quieter than my Mercedes wagon, which truly surprised me. And it's really fixed a lot of like the old SUV problems. The ride was still a little tough, especially with large bumps. It's a huge vehicle that's made to tow and haul things.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  So the ride empty was a little tough.

• 39:39Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, ultimately, it's a body of frame truck.

• 39:40Speaker 04

  But it was much better than I expected. Truly notably better than I expected in every way. So yeah, I get why people buy them.

• 39:48Doug DeMuro?

  The Sequoia is still better.

• 39:50Speaker 04

  I don't know that that's true. We compared notes and the Sequoia probably got like a mile or two per gallon better than the Suburban. The Suburban is gigantic and not hybrid.

• 39:59Doug DeMuro?

  It depends on what you're looking for, but I'm ultimately I'm looking for resale value and reliability. And I think that a lot of people who buy Suburbans aren't. And I think if you're not, the Suburban is probably better. And honestly, I feel that way about most Toyota trucks and SUVs. There are better options than almost every single one of them, unless resale value and reliability are what you're thinking about.

• 40:19Speaker 04

  I do people have issues with Suburbans? It's been the same motor for a hundred years.

• 40:23Doug DeMuro?

  Whether or not people have issues, the market feels that they do and will and punishes them heavily in terms of resale value. And use Suburbans versus use Toyota trucks. It's not even like a question. And plus, like just from your experience, I mean, look at, look at the interior of a ten year old Suburban like.

• 40:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was tough.

• 40:41Doug DeMuro?

  Stuff just wears faster and worse. I I I love General Motors. They've had many Cadillac CTSVs.

• 40:49Speaker 04

  Many, one.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  One, two. Two, yeah, first gen.

• 40:53Doug DeMuro?

  But, but I, I, General Motors just, the, the, the level of quality just quite, isn't quite there compared to, in terms of durability.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  That's fair.

• 41:04Doug DeMuro?

  The screen is cool, the big screen is cool and all that, but, but like the seats, the foam, why do we know what the inner foam looks like of General Motors seats, but we all do.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, we all do. We know it so well.

• 41:16Speaker 04

  I will also say the cruise control was mediocre, with adaptive cruise control without lane keep, it was a little questionable, uh, but it was such a good vehicle. It makes, I've always wanted a GMT 800 Suburban, and I still, I want it more now as a result of my new Suburban experience.

• 41:32Doug DeMuro?

  God, what, didn't I call him a raging liberal the other day? I guess I'm wrong. Uh, all right.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  He's combating it. Well, while Filippo got to drive his dream vehicle of a Suburban, I got to drive a Ferrari 599. So, so recently I went to New Orleans, so we've, so we're gonna sell a couple of cars with us, and one of the cars I got to drive was a Ferrari 599. Now, I've always been kind of curious about this car, so I've never really driven one. I spent some time on a GTO, but I don't really count it. I just got it long enough anyway. The 599 to me was mind blowing for a number of reasons. One was that I expected the transmission to be terrible, and it wasn't. Even at low speed, I drove it around New Orleans, which is not a car friendly place in the slightest.

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  The least car friendly big city in America, I think.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  I would agree with that. Boston's pretty fun.

• 42:15Doug DeMuro?

  New Orleans has worse roads, though.

• 42:17Speaker 03

  I don't know, it was close, it was close, I felt. Um, but it, it, the, so like, ride wise, handled everything just fine. It scraped only one, like, I very briefly went just a little bit, but other than that, it was fine. Cleared everything just fine. The transmission and a lot of stop and go traffic, actually pretty seamless. It didn't like, didn't judder, nothing like that.

• 42:36Doug DeMuro?

  Remember, that is the last iteration of F1.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  Second to last, yes. The, uh, the five, the five, the GTO got a different, but, but it was, but by, to your point, by then, they had really figured it out. And I, and then, but then I got to use it on the open road a little bit. We crossed, uh, the longest continuous bridge of water in the world, uh, which is the Lake Pontchartrain, um, causeway. It's, it's 23.87 miles long.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  It's a lot of water.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  Eight, seven, five, it's long, let me tell you. But I got to experience the 599 a little bit, squeezed the throttle a little bit. My God, like that engine, it's like detonating a bomb. Like, it just, the way, it just builds power and you are gone. I was astonished. You talk about the, uh,

• 43:18Speaker 04

  To the Pacifico keep up?

• 43:19Speaker 03

  No, these are passing shots.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  But it astonished me and like the quality of the interior was nice. This one is a driver because it has miles on it. It doesn't have a perfect ownership history, like a title history, like something like that. It's not perfect. But it's the one you want and it drove brilliantly. I was stunned at how good it was. And then I started looking at the values of five nine nines. They're kind of in like the one, you know, like in the one thirties for like a pretty decent, pretty decent one. Like it is so much car considering five fifties costs so much more. Five seven fives cost not that much, like less, they're about the same. And this is a six hundred and twelve horsepower Enzo V twelve derived like Ferrari. That actually drive, it's actually usable. It was like a revelation.

• 44:02Doug DeMuro?

  When I see a five nine nine, for whatever reason, I see one and I think that it's sort of like a connoisseur's car more than an F twelve is. An F twelve, I think is still in that period where people are buying them to flex. And I think five nine nines have sort of aged into a sort of more vintage sort of look and feel.

• 44:18Speaker 03

  I, I agree. I was actually, we were on Bourbon Street. We actually came across a Sterrata, which is like the perfect like exotic car to use in New Orleans.

• 44:25Doug DeMuro?

  For New Orleans.

• 44:26Speaker 03

  And I thought about seeing this versus that. It's like this shows so much taste. Like it is so.

• 44:31Doug DeMuro?

  It's a very tasteful car. I remember when it came out, people criticized it because it looked like a Corvette or a Viper, but I think it's aged quite well. I, I go move around that, move around the exterior with those pictures there.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know, it's like, I, I understand in photographs, you might not feel that way with Felipe, but in person it has such present. Yeah, look at that. And also.

• 44:48Doug DeMuro?

  You don't like how these look?

• 44:49Speaker 04

  No, I mean, my main comment about it being worth a hundred thirty thousand dollars ish, like for a five nine nine, is that that's what happens when a Ferrari isn't beautiful.

• 44:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, give me out, you're out of your mind. You think that's not a beautiful car? Look at that.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  It's a great looking car.

• 45:02Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think it's a good car. Out of your mind. That is the craziest thing I've ever heard you say. I'm willing to say a lot of Ferraris aren't beautiful. That is not one of them. That is the cra-. He's over here talking about, oh, he wants a Pacifica and a Suburban. Get him off the pod. Get Nick up in here.

• 45:19Speaker 03

  Get, yeah, Nick would, Nick would support me on this. I also found out, you know, you, like me, associate these cars as being large is one of the reasons why they're difficult to use. It's actually only four inches longer than the five fifty. One inch wider. It's actually pretty similarly sized.

• 45:31Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think that they're, I remember, I, I think they're very, very adept cars. I don't consider them to be large. The six twelve is large, but even that is a, is a pretty skillful and athletic car. I don't think these are large. I think these drive really well. I think they're very balanced, like very, very, very balanced.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  I, okay, I totally agree with that. And I found the suspension like could be soft or it could be hard because it's magnetic and it adjusts and like, now granted, I know reliability of all Ferraris is, is tough and they're expensive cars to maintain, but nonetheless, like the buy-in is so low.

• 45:57Doug DeMuro?

  What does a stick one cost? Can I get a stick one?

• 45:59Speaker 03

  It's about eight hundred thousand dollars. I'm pushing, I mean, yeah. But to your point, manual conversions exist. So if you bought one for one thirty or like this car of like will be, which is a driver, did the manual conversion, let's say it cost you forty, you're driving, you're click clacking. This episode of this car pod is brought to you by Acre Gold. Now you all know that I'm all about finding value, whether it's a pristine nine, six, four, nine, eleven, or an immaculate E forty six M three. But let's talk about a different kind of asset. Acre Gold. Inflation's hitting harder than a V twelve at Redline. Gas, car parts, even car washes are through the roof. Acre Gold lets you invest in real twenty four karat gold

• 46:41Speaker 03

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• 46:57Doug DeMuro?

  Can I tell you something about the manual conversion thing? Now that Nick has gone down this journey, I am just sketched out by the whole thing. Like, I'm sure there are non sketchy actors and I'm, but there are also a lot of sketchy actors and I just think the whole thing is sketchy. Like, I'm, I'm, I'm anxious about the whole thing. If there's someone, can someone just exist in a bonded, licensed?

• 47:22Doug DeMuro?

  Place with like good lighting that is like has a logo that is doing these instead of like exist via Instagram DM where they use the the word should of like I just I simply want someone to be good and then I'm not but aren't you a little sketched out by the manual conversion process would you send

• 47:40Speaker 04

  Seems great Nick's experience seemed great he got it back yesterday I'm excited to hear talk about it

• 47:44Doug DeMuro?

  But I think my part of my point though is like Nick had a good experience some people don't and and the the roulette of it is is what sketches me out I think like if if if I could just trust that there was great people out there I'd be thrilled

• 47:56Speaker 03

  I think my way I would do that if it were my car is like I would love to have the kit sent to a a like a shop that I

• 48:04Doug DeMuro?

  Why do I even trust the kit is I guess what I'm saying like it's still made by sketchy people is it not I don't know

• 48:11Speaker 03

  I I don't know it's like if the components work and they make a kit that can be applied by like people can install it then no I'm not I'm not that worried about it but to your point if the person disappears like they just decide to like no longer do business and they delete their Instagram account and unique components well

• 48:29Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna tell you something totally ridiculous right now I would rather buy one that's already converted because I don't want to know

• 48:36Speaker 04

  You don't want to know

• 48:36Doug DeMuro?

  Even though I know that I could buy a car send it off get it converted I would rather just not know who did it what the story was what the deal with the conversion was it's already done it happened and now I got the car that's what I

• 48:49Speaker 04

  Eyes wide shut if you will

• 48:51Speaker 03

  Yes yeah I think you got a point there but

• 48:55Doug DeMuro?

  You love the 599

• 48:56Speaker 03

  I love it

• 48:57Doug DeMuro?

  I think it's a bargain one of the great bargains of the car industry today and I think anybody buying a 575 is making a mistake considering they can get this for not that much more

• 49:05Speaker 03

  I couldn't agree with you more and I I truly don't think this last they didn't end up building that many of these cars because when it came out it came out right in the heart of the recession but the thing with these cars is you know they are mostly F1 and I think that is what has suppressed the values what people don't realize the same the same the 360 tip this is like a much better system that I actually kind of enjoyed using to be honest with you

• 49:25Doug DeMuro?

  That's true also don't forget about the production of this car and I think the thing that one thing that makes the 599 a lot more special and people agree it was the only front engine V12 Ferrari that doesn't have a pair Right?

• 49:35Speaker 03

  Yes, I made that point in the video.

• 49:37Doug DeMuro?

  The 512TR and the F512M are paired. The 515 and the 575 are paired and the F12 and the 812 are paired. They're basically the same car, just a modified version. Oh, that's true of all the cars I just mentioned. The only one that got its own world was the 599. So there isn't like a second one that it's always being compared against. There isn't a second one that looks similar. It was the only like car that doesn't have like a twin pair in the V12 world. And so its production numbers don't have to be added to the like. If you have the 550, you're thinking about, well, there's also the 575 manuals and the Super Americas and the Barquette. 599 was just 599. That that was the whole production run and then they moved on to a totally different production. So to me, that makes the car even more special. I just looked at production numbers. There's only 3,600 of them. So it's rarer than a Ford GT05.

• 50:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's and it's really something to think about.

• 50:22Doug DeMuro?

  And it's rarer than Mercy.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  That's crazy. So I don't know. I suspect one day, I suspect these won't be under appreciated forever. I suspect that one day we'll see them rise and.

• 50:33Doug DeMuro?

  I also, though, I have a suspicion a lot of them are going to become manual converted.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:36Doug DeMuro?

  Because it just makes.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  I don't know if that's a good thing.

• 50:40Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe not, but that's what people seem to want. Like Filippo wouldn't have one if it was a tip.

• 50:44Speaker 04

  I do only buy manual cars, so.

• 50:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Except for his automatics.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Right, yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 04

  I've owned one automatic car, station wagon, never veered with a stick.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  This is why I can't get an automatic because I'll get flamed like.

• 50:54Speaker 04

  I've only owned one automatic car, yeah.

• 50:56Doug DeMuro?

  And he's owned zero?

• 50:58Speaker 04

  Well, he's only owned like three cars ever.

• 51:00Doug DeMuro?

  But I own more manuals than both of you combined.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Yes, my percentage is higher. My batting percentage is higher.

• 51:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Okay.

• 51:07Speaker 04

  Are you gonna buy one?

• 51:08Doug DeMuro?

  Can we move on to the market report?

• 51:11Speaker 04

  Uh, before we do, you filmed a video with that 599. So it's gonna be on the Cars and Bids channel.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  Yes, there's, yes, there's another, another car I'll talk about next week. Something for.

• 51:20Speaker 04

  All right, we're excited to see them on the Cars and Bids channel.

• 51:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it's time for the market report. Now, I'm told that the market report is brought to by Cars and Bids. That's the business that we are in some senses promoting here. I'm not really sure about it all. I do want to say one thing. I do want to say one thing about the market report. I, I don't really do a lot of promoting of cars and bids on this podcast because I'm not really sure. Like it's on my channel. Is it a cars and bids podcast? Nobody seems to have any idea, but I want to talk about the NSX. Can you pull up the NSX? I want to, I want to toot the cars and bids horn here a little because I don't like to shill for stuff unless it's one of our sponsors who we love dearly. I don't like to shill for stuff, but cars and bids is our business and I very rarely

• 52:04Doug DeMuro?

  do this, but I want to talk about this NSX. Okay. So the NSX Type S, the one that just, that we just sold for 222. All right. That car, a couple of months ago, the seller had it on our site on carsandbids.com and he tried to sell it and it was bid to 225 and it was a no sale. And then the seller was like, you know what? Screw these cars and bits people. I'm going to take it to the other site. So we took it to a different auction site, one of the more popular ones, you know, and it goes bid to a significantly lower amount. Then he took it to a different auction site and it was bid to a significantly even lower amount in the 100s. Now we're 30 grand back of where it got on cars and bits. Those are the two big other auction sites. They both had a much lower result. He brought

• 52:47Doug DeMuro?

  it then after cursing the cars and bids people, he brought it back to cars and bids where we then delivered the next best result after his first cars and bids result and he sold the car. The point I want to make here is, uh, that's pretty legit and I don't, I truly, I don't spend a lot of time on this podcast tooting the cars and bids horn and I often make fun of Filippo for doing so. Uh, but I am quite proud of, of this and, and we have seen this before. We and anybody who's paying attention is aware that this is already happening in some segments of the market. Um, but I'm really proud to see it on a low production, high dollar, low volume, very special supercar like this NSX Type S that ends up bringing its two best results on cars and bids after bad results in the other

• 53:29Doug DeMuro?

  places. And, uh, just a happy little, happy little thing to, uh, to brag about for cars and bids.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm proud. I'm not at all surprised. Like we, we sell very legit stuff. And so although I, I, we, and like you said, we've seen this happen many times. And it's like, well.

• 53:45Doug DeMuro?

  Dealers who are paying attention have become very aware of which cars to sell, which places and that cars and bids has some real advantages in terms of, of sale price for certain cars. Um, but I think that this proves like we can go get them on the real stuff. Let's, let's, let's do it. Get, let's do a McLaren F1.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  Oh, please. God.

• 54:06Speaker 03

  I'll take an F40. Start with an F40.

• 54:09Doug DeMuro?

  Nobody sells F40s. There was a big F40 swap. Here's a market report for you. You want to hear a market report? There was a big F40 swap, swap-a-rooney, and then they don't sell anymore. And Kenan, you know what Filippo told me? He blew my mind and ruined my whole life. Because I'm like, not not looking for an F40. Like, I still dream of the day that Joe Sackey texts me and tells me he's found an F40 for me. Even though I made fun of him on Ferris Podcasts and he won't talk to me anymore. Like, I still dream of that day. Like, my money is still.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  What he calls is, hey, I've got a high mileage hit cat adjust car that's got your name all over it.

• 54:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, and I want, I'm gonna be really clear. I want a cat adjust car, but it's like, non-cat, not adjust. Like, that's like, the thing. I want to, give me a cat, give me an adjustment, give me another cat, throw on as many cats as you can, and put on as much adjustment as you can do. Uh, anyway. But you know what?

• 54:57Speaker 03

  Only F40 people understand what you're saying.

• 55:00Doug DeMuro?

  You know what Filippo reminded me of, Kenan? That car is tariffed now. That car is tariffed now. Because none of these cars are in the States. So I was always looking for a foreign import. And that car is tariffed now. And so if it's, it's a 10% tariff right on cars.

• 55:14Speaker 04

  25.

• 55:15Doug DeMuro?

  So.

• 55:16Speaker 03

  See, might as well just get an NAS.

• 55:17Doug DeMuro?

  Even if I could find one for a million five, that's a, that's a 375, $400,000 tariff. Boom. F40 dream is dead. Trump killed it. People out there, keep that in mind.

• 55:30Speaker 04

  Real consumer connection here. Way to keep that point local to people.

• 55:35Speaker 03

  Way to bring it back down to earth, yeah.

• 55:38Speaker 04

  It will be interesting to see whether, like, I assume nobody's importing cars at the moment of that caliber. It'll be interesting to see if and when tariffs ease up as deals are made, if tariffs go away entirely, whether there's like, a sudden influx of those cars.

• 55:51Speaker 03

  It will be interesting to see how other auctions too, like, especially this summer, as auctions were inching closer to Monterey, which we're very excited about. But curious to see, like, what, how that impacts.

• 56:00Doug DeMuro?

  Those guys didn't sell a lot of stuff that was titled in foreign countries. They don't, they, they usually, the cars are, they keep the cars where they are. Because transport costs are high, because nobody wants to deal with paperwork and stuff. Last year, one of them, one of the big ones, think RM, sold an F40 that was titled in Germany.

• 56:18Speaker 03

  I remember that.

• 56:19Doug DeMuro?

  It's rare, though.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  It is. I got into a good argument about a 43 something too.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  Oh, goodness. I think we can pause there.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  Somebody, uh, somebody, uh, uh, uh, somebody on Instagram had posted a thing about how your blue F40 may be worth more than your red one. I was like, and I replied, I responded, that's absolutely categorically not true. Which I have like the market down the back.

• 56:37Doug DeMuro?

  Instagram rage bait. Don't get on the Instagram.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  I know, but I thought I wanted to post something very, like, an actual coherent Instagram, like, response from a human being, which I did.

• 56:46Doug DeMuro?

  And I didn't, and I'm right. And when I was looking, we were offered painted cars. That was pretty much all I was looking at, actually, because of my budget. Um, and we, basically, we were offered a lot of painted cars, a green one, and this and that.

• 56:59Speaker 03

  And you just don't, I mean, to set it back to being right is so hard, because even just to repaint it red is really difficult, and a lot of places can't get it right. It's not thin enough for the weave. It's, it's really hard.

• 57:09Doug DeMuro?

  We were, it was, it was generally, I was told the budget 50,000 to get it painted back to.

• 57:14Speaker 03

  I think that's light.

• 57:14Doug DeMuro?

  Correct.

• 57:15Speaker 03

  I think that's light, to be honest with you. If it's, if it's a full color change.

• 57:18Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I, man, this was, this was three and a half years ago. This was before all the Bidenflation or the Trumpflation or whatever.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  Flippoflation.

• 57:24Doug DeMuro?

  Ruined my ability to import an F40, folks. He has come after the wealthy.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  You also realize, on, on top of the, the tariffs, three years ago, when you were looking, a dollar and a euro were about on par. Now, a dollar is, is, is, uh, to equal one euro, you're a dollar 15. So it's also like a 15% increase there.

• 57:44Doug DeMuro?

  So is that better or worse?

• 57:46Speaker 04

  Worse. The, the, the F40 dream is dead for you, man. Dead.

• 57:49Doug DeMuro?

  Dead, like, straight up dead. Like, it is, like, legit, legit dead. What about the pound?

• 57:55Speaker 04

  I, I have not compared to currencies where it's, you're not getting, what, what F40 are you importing?

• 58:00Doug DeMuro?

  Well, F40s were all left-hand drive, so if they're in the UK, it's okay.

• 58:03Speaker 04

  That's fair. I will also say, apparently, the UK and the US have, are on the verge, or have signed a trade deal, which means 10% tariffs on vehicles. So I'm gonna consider.

• 58:11Doug DeMuro?

  10% is still too high, dude.

• 58:12Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  That's too much.

• 58:13Doug DeMuro?

  I need to go back to three, like it was pre-Trump. Biden gave me three points on an F40. Give me that back. Feed me. Okay, give us our next, whatever, market report.

• 58:25Doug DeMuro?

  It's over though. I legit think it's over. I legit think it's like over, over. I don't think there's any F40 happening anymore. I think that the F40s that are in the market as a possible car for me and other buyers are all already in the US. I don't think there's going to be any cross coming at 40s for years between the currency and between, um, the only reason they were coming is because the euro had gotten cheap and that's gone and the tariffs, it's over. Like F40, F40 market.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 58:50Doug DeMuro?

  We got a finite number of cars and they're in the States.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  Again, super useful consumer advice. But speaking of F40, can I talk about F types?

• 58:56Doug DeMuro?

  You sure may. He's over here waxing poetic about 599s and he doesn't want to talk about F40.

• 59:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I want to talk about F types.

• 59:02Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not giving consumer advice here. We're having a podcast.

• 59:06Speaker 03

  I'm pivoting the F-type R. So we recently sold this one for 29,000.

• 59:11Doug DeMuro?

  To be fair, this one also had a rebuild title.

• 59:15Speaker 03

  And 46,000 miles on it. But if you look at the price of F-type Rs, now that's a 550 horsepower, supercharged V8, two-door, beautiful looking coupe.

• 59:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 59:25Speaker 03

  They are trading hands in the like high, mid to high 30s.

• 59:29Doug DeMuro?

  I know.

• 59:30Speaker 03

  With frequency. That is an appealing car.

• 59:33Doug DeMuro?

  I'm with you.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  In that price segment. I think that is a, now, the pops and crackles of V8 does are a lot.

• 59:38Doug DeMuro?

  It's fine. Worth it.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  But I think that it is, I mean, that's a special car. I mean, look, look at this, Felipe. For 36 Gs.

• 59:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 59:46Speaker 03

  Look at that car. That is a special looking car.

• 59:48Doug DeMuro?

  The F-type looks incredible. 550 horsepower, 5 liter supercharged V8 is no joke. I'm into it. I want one. Would you get a coupe or a convertible? I think you want a coupe.

• 1:00:00Speaker 03

  I think you want a coupe to be a little shielded from the backfiring that this car does because it is extreme. What do you think, Burbel Tunes? I know Farah recently talked about this too, but like that car really like took, that was Burbel Tune in all caps with an exclamation mark on it. It's so loud.

• 1:00:15Doug DeMuro?

  We have auctioned 30 different F-type Rs. That's pretty impressive. We have one live right now, actually. Yep. It's early coupe with 58,000 miles. It's actually going to be a cheapy with, with, with some miles on it like that. I, it's such a gorgeous car, especially in color. It just looks so good. I will also note, not ours, but base trims were available with a manual briefly.

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  To get briefly, we sold one or two, maybe you could get a convertible with a manual.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Now, someone pointed this out to me because they tagged me in one in the in community about this. And one of the things I found, they made the point that, well, the manual should technically made up. The engine block is the same between the V six and the V eight. Remember, they just blanked out those cylinders, which is the weirdest thing I've ever heard. But in theory, it's nothing else. It shouldn't be that different. I wonder if anybody's tried that. Like, that V eight with a manual would be incredible.

• 1:01:05Speaker 04

  Sub forty for five hundred fifty horsepower and like a beautiful car is a, it's a deal.

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  It's pretty appealing.

• 1:01:13Doug DeMuro?

  If I had to choose between the V eight and the stick, I'd probably choose the V eight.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  I think I would.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't think it's a good manual either, by all accounts.

• 1:01:19Doug DeMuro?

  I've driven in both. The manual is fine, but the the powertrain is not inspired and the V eight is so legit. It's got so much power in that little car. I mean, those cars are like the size of a Miata. They look so good. And it's so loud and raw.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  Right. Well said. Good impression.

• 1:01:34Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo knows.

• 1:01:36Speaker 04

  I do, and I want, I legitimately kind of want, it's one of the rare automatic sports cars I'd consider.

• 1:01:40Speaker 03

  Well, if you live at the end of Filippo Street and you have an F type car, he'll buy it.

• 1:01:45Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, we've got a bunch of questions, folks. Questions, this is big because the questions are brought to you by the sweatshirts behind me. Now, I want to be clear. Sean only mentioned the hats. He only told me to get rid of the hats. The sweatshirts can stay, people. And and not only that, they are our sponsor for this segment, for God's sake. So we should be nicer to them. These sweatshirts.

• 1:02:07Speaker 04

  Why are you like this?

• 1:02:08Doug DeMuro?

  These sweatshirts were free gifts, uh, seven years ago at the at the fishing and tackle store, okay? So have some respect.

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  What, what, what did we do to you?

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  Ten o'clock, two o'clock.

• 1:02:23Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow, this is a fishing tip from Kevin. Hey, yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 04

  All right, what are the questions?

• 1:02:29Doug DeMuro?

  The questions. Now, the questions, remember, you can ask us questions. You go to carsandbiz.com, you click on the community tab. There will be a post there that says, ask us questions. You can ask us whatever you want. We're going to choose. We pick and choose the questions. If you ask us a question that is inappropriate, we will probably choose it. If you ask us a question that is mild, we will not choose it. I like questions that make Filippo squirm. People have been asking us, rank the questions. Ask Filippo to rank US senators. Oh, man.

• 1:02:57Doug DeMuro?

  Be great. Uh, all right. So first question today comes from.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  I'll do it. It'll take a while. There's a hundred.

• 1:03:05Doug DeMuro?

  Top three, Filippo. Give us your top three.

• 1:03:07Speaker 04

  Nah, we'll move on.

• 1:03:10Doug DeMuro?

  First question, can we make Nick a regular on the show? You know, I'm glad we got this question because I want to talk about this. Cringe McCringle wants us to get rid of one of us. Rodney?

• 1:03:21Speaker 04

  Goodbye.

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• 1:03:57Doug DeMuro?

  Can I tell you all how Filippo got started doing this podcast? One day we said, Filippo, we're going to do a podcast and since you're in the office, you have to participate.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  That's exactly what happened, yeah.

• 1:04:06Doug DeMuro?

  I guess I have an hour today.

• 1:04:10Speaker 04

  That's exactly what happened.

• 1:04:11Doug DeMuro?

  Now we're the largest automotive podcast in the world, Filippo. Do you understand that?

• 1:04:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I forget about that. We're just chatting, but...

• 1:04:20Doug DeMuro?

  We're reporting on hard hitting stuff like Cuomo's Challenger, Charger.

• 1:04:24Speaker 04

  Well, I have not seen that news anywhere and it needed to be shown to the world.

• 1:04:29Doug DeMuro?

  It's shown to the world. Hopefully we put up a picture of it. Somebody took a picture the other day. It's parked in a bike lane. Uh, so anyway, the point is with regards to Nick, Nick has a show on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel. You gotta go to Cars and Bids YouTube channel and you can watch Nick and his insanity. And if you want to see insane Nick, that's where you go. And, and, and otherwise we will try to get him on as much as we can. Okay? I can't get rid of Ken. Who am I going to get rid of? Kenan? Filippo? It's like trying to choose between my children.

• 1:04:54Speaker 03

  Oh, thanks. I like being around.

• 1:04:57Doug DeMuro?

  I would choose you, Kenan.

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  Alright.

• 1:05:02Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, not to get rid of, I would choose you to keep.

• 1:05:05Speaker 03

  I read the tonality there. I can and you're dead. Sorry, buddy.

• 1:05:11Speaker 04

  Nick will also obviously show up often.

• 1:05:14Doug DeMuro?

  Nick has great stuff. I love Nick too. And I watch his YouTube videos and I sit there thinking, this person is even more insane than I realized. Like, I don't see the videos until they go live like you guys do. And I'm watching the videos and I, you guys have this experience? Do you watch the Nick videos?

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  Oh, I've, I've watched them. And like you said, I know him well, I like to think. And also imagine what hits the cutting room floor, the stuff that doesn't make it in.

• 1:05:36Doug DeMuro?

  Think about that.

• 1:05:37Speaker 03

  We should start a Patreon and just put clips of that in there if people can see Nick.

• 1:05:40Speaker 04

  We will get cancelled.

• 1:05:42Doug DeMuro?

  Did you see the clip the other day? Kevin pointed this out where Nick is like filming, but he's shirtless. But because he's in the reflection of his car. Such an idiot.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  Oh, Nick.

• 1:05:55Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody needs a Nick. Everybody needs a Nick. Like, put on a shirt. You're filming. Like, this is Nick.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04Speaker 04

  Oh, Nick.

• 1:06:05Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Um, that was Nick's OnlyFans content. All right. Next question from SB58. Hey Doug, Kenan and Filippo, in the early podcasts, you discussed certain cars that would be owned by someone who is coming to fire your dad. What is the modern version of the fire your dad vehicle?

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:06:24Speaker 03

  Flying Spur?

• 1:06:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, it's so true that.

• 1:06:27Doug DeMuro?

  To me, to me, it was a car that was like so rich person that they didn't care that the car was bad. Which was why the Arnage was, you know, like that, the Arnage was bought by somebody who had better options. But they were so rich that they didn't even want to listen to what the salesperson had to say, you know? And there's not a lot of cars like that out there anymore.

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  Model X Plaid?

• 1:06:49Doug DeMuro?

  No, nobody with a Model X Plaid is firing anybody. They're right in code.

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  What is that?

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  I don't know. The, the modern day seven series is a pretty good one. That's kind of like a, in like a dark color.

• 1:07:00Doug DeMuro?

  Is there a V12 still?

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  There's a there's a seven sixty, but I can't remember if it actually be twelve.

• 1:07:07Speaker 03

  I don't think it is.

• 1:07:08Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, there's only a six cylinder or a twin turbo V eight.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  Okay, but even so, like, I know it's not the prettiest car, but like when that holds, that's intimidating is the point. And depreciation is so dramatic.

• 1:07:21Doug DeMuro?

  I agree. I agree. Only in the top trim.

• 1:07:23Speaker 03

  Only in the top.

• 1:07:26Speaker 03

  Tega?

• 1:07:26Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 1:07:28Doug DeMuro?

  It's not quite enough.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  Oh, uh, S class Maybach, uh, S five, is it S five eighty?

• 1:07:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, the like the the the Maybach, uh, S class, the the S six eighty.

• 1:07:39Speaker 03

  S six eighty.

• 1:07:39Speaker 04

  Although the five eighty also is my back, my back version.

• 1:07:42Doug DeMuro?

  Like that. I mean, a phantom, a phantom is kind of the obvious answer, but even then I think that I feel like that's more like rapper entertainer than like, than like, I am so rich that I bought your town and I've bought your house and now you must.

• 1:07:55Speaker 04

  What about a Maserati Gran Turismo? A new Gran Turismo.

• 1:07:59Doug DeMuro?

  No, that's just. No, if you bought a new Gran Turismo, it means that that you yourself, uh, were fired for poor financial.

• 1:08:06Speaker 03

  Or you're about to be.

• 1:08:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  I like the brand itself.

• 1:08:10Doug DeMuro?

  If you bought a new Gran Turismo, it means that another recession is coming. If if you start seeing those around, it's like, oh, God.

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  Brace.

• 1:08:16Doug DeMuro?

  Money must be cheap again. Uh, I don't know.

• 1:08:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think it's still one of the high end German sedan. I still think it's a German.

• 1:08:24Doug DeMuro?

  My back S class is the closest we can get.

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, next question from E Vs and clutch pedals. What's the craziest deal a buyer has ever gotten on cars and bits? Like what? No reserve car sold for the lowest percent of what the cars and bids team or community thought it was worth. Now, this question was asked and then a lot of people were like, they'll never answer. I don't, I want to be clear. Uh, one of the probably the biggest drawback of running this business, at least for me, you guys can tell me your thoughts, is that everybody comes to me thinking that I know every single data point in the car market. People come to me, they're like, hey, I got a, uh, I got an eighteen four thirty five I convertible with sixty thousand miles and a clean carfax. What's it worth? And I'm like, I don't know. What the God? I don't remember. I I don't have them all in my mind. And that's true of this question, too. I they're probably your cars that have sold for less than they should have, but I don't.

• 1:09:11Speaker 03

  Well, because we're starting to approach.

• 1:09:13Doug DeMuro?

  You tell me.

• 1:09:14Speaker 04

  Thirty, we're close to thirty thousand cars.

• 1:09:15Doug DeMuro?

  You tell me.

• 1:09:16Speaker 04

  I I'm trying to think about it. It's like, I don't often there are cars where like.

• 1:09:22Speaker 04

  The cars that I think go cheapest are usually ones where they need something and somebody is willing to do that something. And like for them, it's a deal, but for other bidders, it's not like, all the cars are getting all the attention. Like they're, it's people actively, it's not that they're going under the radar. It's people actively deciding it's not, I don't want to spend more for it, but like for somebody, it's a deal.

• 1:09:44Doug DeMuro?

  That's a good, that's a good point, and I don't have any specifics, but you could probably find them. Another good example is cars that have been modified in a very specific way where the sellers put a lot of money into them. And then they don't sell for that much. And there's certainly a contingent of people who are like, that's such a deal because it has a lot of good parts on it. But at the same time, it's like a thousand horsepower race car with a parachute. And you're like, well, that's, that's pretty small. That's a pretty small subset. Those are probably the cars that will sometimes sell for less money than people think they're worth. But I would always argue like this site has hundreds of thousands of users and gets millions of hits like.

• 1:10:19Speaker 04

  Things are, don't just kind of like happen.

• 1:10:21Doug DeMuro?

  What they sell for, you know?

• 1:10:22Speaker 04

  Okay, we, we sold a C32 AMG that I remember this, that was two and a half years ago, but I remember the car distinctly. That's sold for like two grand, but it had issues and it was in Canada. And it had like Canada issues like.

• 1:10:36Doug DeMuro?

  I do remember this.

• 1:10:37Speaker 04

  Ross, et cetera, but that still feels like a deal for a very cool car. But I look, I went back two and a half years to what comes to mind.

• 1:10:44Doug DeMuro?

  You know what else, you know what else sometimes sells cheap that I'm surprised by is really good survivor cars? Oh, yeah. Like type in, get it, go to that Saturn SC2 we sold last, last week or maybe earlier this week. This, I don't think these cars sell undeservedly cheap. I want to be really, really clear about this. Like, I don't think cars and bids is getting less money than they're worth. I don't think there's a huge market out there for people looking for a Saturn SC2. But it is surprising to me sometimes that a really well preserved like Corolla won't bring more than 11 grand. And you think about the amount of use you could get that, even if your plan was just to use it as a used car. And you think like, this is probably a pretty good deal, but I don't feel that that, that this Saturn selling for four grand is below market. But it strikes me that it's below what I would think a car this nice would bring, I guess.

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  Right. Despite the fact that four grand now gets you a lot of different things. I, th- there are cars where like, maybe if I were in the market, I would have paid that amount, but it's rare that I would have paid more. Yeah. Okay. Go, go, go to a 1989 Ford E350 Centurion van truck.

• 1:11:47Doug DeMuro?

  E350 with a dash.

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  Oh, of course.

• 1:11:50Doug DeMuro?

  E350 with a dash, Kenan, what are you doing?

• 1:11:52Speaker 04

  Uh, I said 99, I meant 89, I apologize.

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  Right, I'm the idiot over here.

• 1:11:57Doug DeMuro?

  You don't know the van, truck market?

• 1:11:59Speaker 04

  All right, that by pure metal alone feels like it's worth more than four grand. It's like a lot of sheet work, sheet metal there.

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  It's gotta be worth some value alone.

• 1:12:09Doug DeMuro?

  You joke, but larger vehicles, I swear, bring more money just because of their physical capabilities. Like, if it's that big, it can probably do something for someone that makes it worth more than four grand.

• 1:12:19Speaker 04

  Right, that's my thing. Do I want that? No. Would I pay more than four grand? No. Is it cool? Could it be worth that to somebody? Apparently not, but maybe.

• 1:12:26Doug DeMuro?

  Somebody in the Midwest who has property and doesn't care about the size of that wants that vehicle and got a great deal at four grand.

• 1:12:32Speaker 03

  That's what they call it. I'm going out to the property this weekend.

• 1:12:35Speaker 04

  Of course, it failed Pennsylvania inspection.

• 1:12:37Doug DeMuro?

  Of course.

• 1:12:37Speaker 04

  Uh, and it doesn't have an exhaust.

• 1:12:39Doug DeMuro?

  Bring it to Indiana where nobody observes about any of that stuff, you know?

• 1:12:41Speaker 04

  There's welding residue on the windows.

• 1:12:46Doug DeMuro?

  I don't see that as an issue. I think that's true of every 89 vehicle.

• 1:12:50Speaker 04

  That feels like a lot of car for the money.

• 1:12:53Doug DeMuro?

  Van, truck. Next question from V12 Stick. Richard Hammond was notorious for being a motorcycle guy as well as a car guy. Can any of you ride a motorcycle? If so, what do you ride? Uh, I am uninterested in any forms of transportation aside from cars. I don't like, I don't care about boats. People are always trying to get me into planes. They're like, oh, what'd you ride on to get here? I'm like, a plane. I've never even thought about the concept of what it is.

• 1:13:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, but you know if you got on an A380 and it's a double decker or a 747, like you know.

• 1:13:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, dude, if I got into a fighter jet, I would know about a fighter jet. If I get on a Teller plane, I know about it. Other than that, I don't have any concept. And people are like, oh, did you take that? Is that a 737? Dude, I have gotten on planes, I'm not exaggerating, I've gotten on planes and not known what airline I was flying. That has happened before to me. And they come on and they're like, thanks for flying United. And I was like, I swear to God, this was a JetBlue flight if you asked me.

• 1:13:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, you are probably the most agnostic airline person I know, with the exception of Air Canada, which I agree, that's the worst airline in the world.

• 1:13:53Doug DeMuro?

  Airlines, airlines I'm agnostic on, but even the planes. So, so I don't, I don't get into anything. I don't get into motorcycles. I actually think if I was going to get into any other form of vehicle, it would be motorcycles. I occasionally will find myself looking at one and thinking, hmm. But, um, uh, but they, they scare me, honest, to be perfectly honest, which I think is realistic. Filippo, are you?

• 1:14:11Speaker 04

  I ride motorcycles on rare occasions, go on rides with some like in-laws and family members, uh, both like some like off-road, more off-roading in forest roads and around Arizona. It's fun. I don't, it's not my passion.

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, right. Then I, I like, I like old motorcycles. My grandfather has a 1931 Indian 101B Scout that he's had since he was, I think, 14. My cousin restored it. And I, I've just like pooled around on that bike to just like, kind of just like coast it down the ride. But I loved it because it's so balanced and everything. It's a trail bike, that's what it's for. But the reality of riding a motorcycle in the modern world, especially in California, people are so distracted, it makes me like very, very, very nervous. Like, I just, I don't really have any desire to do it. I love those pre-war bikes, but I'm just, it's not something that I can get into.

• 1:14:57Speaker 04

  And the pre-war bikes.

• 1:14:59Speaker 03

  I have respect for them. I appreciate them.

• 1:15:02Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next question, uh, and this one is from Dobby17. Can you go to the questions, Kenan, from this week? Because he, there's a graphic that goes along with this. Dobby17 says, do you think if the E-Ray was branded as a Cadillac, just do Ctrl-F on Dobby17, E-Ray?

• 1:15:21Speaker 03

  Wait, what, you said 512 E-Ray?

• 1:15:22Speaker 04

  Dobby, D-O-B-B-I. Somebody has 512.

• 1:15:27Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, he says, click on that picture, the one on the left. It's really good. Do you think if the E-Ray was branded as a Cadillac, uh, it would be a good halo car for the brand, took styling cues from the race car, including the bump start feature we all love? Obviously, that's ridiculous, but what if it looked like this? Now, they tried this, Filippo, your call?

• 1:15:45Speaker 04

  The XLR, of course.

• 1:15:46Doug DeMuro?

  They tried this with the XLR, which was a failure, however, its used values have been pretty strong. Um, but obviously the-

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  It's the same as a C6 Valley.

• 1:15:59Doug DeMuro?

  XLRVs are expensive.

• 1:16:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true. There's so few though.

• 1:16:03Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, go back to the picture. I want to see it. It was beautiful. Dobby had, look at this. Felipe, look at this picture.

• 1:16:08Speaker 03

  I like the gray skies. It's very Detroit. It feels right. It feels very good western. You really got it. Nailed it.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  You know, I've never thought about this question. Should the E-Ray have been a Cadillac? And honestly, yes, it should have.

• 1:16:19Speaker 03

  Probably. That's a good point.

• 1:16:20Speaker 04

  It really should have.

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  New.

• 1:16:22Doug DeMuro?

  I think they would do it again because they went down this road and there's people have a short memory, but like it's a, that is a good looking car and I don't know.

• 1:16:32Speaker 04

  I also feel that the E-Ray has been overshadowed in the Corvette lineup. It's like from a performance standpoint, it's not that dissimilar from a Z06. It's been massively overshadowed by that. It turns out Corvette buyers don't necessarily want a hybrid powertrain, which is a shame because I think it's a really cool powertrain, a really cool car.

• 1:16:51Doug DeMuro?

  It's a good car.

• 1:16:51Speaker 04

  Maybe splitting it off to a separate brand would have actually drawn, given it the attention it deserved.

• 1:16:57Speaker 03

  Maybe. And I mean, Cadillac does one to folks on being more sporty generally.

• 1:17:00Speaker 04

  And they have a lot of EVs and like, maybe that's the connection point. I think they should have. Good idea, Dobby 17.

• 1:17:07Doug DeMuro?

  It is. It's not a bad idea. Now, they did try it and it didn't work. It should be pointed out.

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  It's also really costly to redesign a car and like have it be a.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  Imagine if Cadillac had done this. They enter Formula One and then for the American Grand Prix, the Miami Grand Prix, the Austin Grand Prix in Vegas, they had that as a pace car.

• 1:17:25Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 1:17:25Doug DeMuro?

  Also, also, Felipe says it's really costly to redesign a car. Dude, Ferrari does all these one offs and it's no problem. Eric Clapton did it. Eric Clapton can redesign a car and Cadillac can't? General Motors doesn't have the money to redesign a car? Eric Clapton's up in here redesigning a car?

• 1:17:39Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:17:39Speaker 04

  Also, to be fair, they have that Cadillac, whatever it's called, that nobody remembers. It's a Celestique. So they could have.

• 1:17:50Doug DeMuro?

  You don't remember the Celestique? Dude, that's the car. That's the car of the year here. Everybody's talking about Celestique, Celestique.

• 1:17:56Speaker 04

  All 350 grand that they cost.

• 1:17:58Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe they're making six of them and you can't buy one. Okay.

• 1:18:01Speaker 04

  And none of them are sold.

• 1:18:03Doug DeMuro?

  Last question. This is the last question. It comes from S. Como 98 and he says, why does Sean hate your hats?

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  Great question.

• 1:18:13Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, these hats shield me from the sun. God. No, the question is, what's, what's the perfect two-door car with backseats for a cross-country road trip?

• 1:18:25Doug DeMuro?

  And then he has a picture. Go to the, are you in the thing still, the, the question thing? He has a picture. He did a cross-country road trip in like a 991. Look at that. Click on that.

• 1:18:32Speaker 04

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:18:33Speaker 03

  Base, yeah.

• 1:18:34Doug DeMuro?

  You know what disappoints me about this picture? Go back to the back picture. He does his cross-country road trip in this very special car and he just has the regular Texas license plate. Like, you're gonna be showing your car to the world here, sir. You have to at least get the one that says T is for Texas.

• 1:18:51Speaker 03

  You're the only person in the world who would ever criticize him for that. I think it's

• 1:18:54Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the T is for Texas license plate while we discuss this, uh, while we discuss this.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  All right. So first thoughts here. 911, great choice. I think that thi- this purpose opens up cars that are not a manual transmission car.

• 1:19:07Doug DeMuro?

  Click on that. You didn't think it was real, did you, Kenan? But there is an actual license plate that says T for Texas. It makes no sense. You thought this wasn't gonna be real, but it is.

• 1:19:18Speaker 03

  Well, shoot.

• 1:19:26Speaker 04

  Man.

• 1:19:28Doug DeMuro?

  That's so accurate. Okay, Felipe, go ahead.

• 1:19:32Speaker 04

  All right. So I, I think that for a cross-country road trip, you can, it doesn't have to be a manual, which for my other like carp needs, kinda does. Like, if you want a two-plus-two with a manual, 911's kinda your choice. It's kind of it, realistically. But it doesn't need to be a manual.

• 1:19:46Speaker 03

  I don't know. How, uh, how high is the ceiling here? Bentley Brooklyn sounds pretty nice for a cross-country road trip. That's a, that's got a rear seat.

• 1:19:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. What, what was two-door car with rear seats?

• 1:19:58Speaker 03

  I mean, Continental.

• 1:20:00Doug DeMuro?

  He didn't say sports car.

• 1:20:01Speaker 04

  Sports car. It does not have to be a sports car. Uh, I think that a Range Rover Evoque convertible.

• 1:20:06Speaker 03

  Oh, my God.

• 1:20:07Doug DeMuro?

  Two-door. No, that's a, that's a tinny little thing. That four-cylinder is gonna be stressed on the highway all the time.

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  The brand of Brooklyn is a good idea.

• 1:20:15Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan, imagine driving to all the national parks in a Brooklands with the T for Texas license plate.

• 1:20:20Speaker 03

  You'd have to have it.

• 1:20:21Doug DeMuro?

  You'd be going up to fire the fathers of all the bears.

• 1:20:25Speaker 03

  You'd be up, you'd be there to sell, you'd be there to buy some real estate.

• 1:20:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. Who, they're gonna, BLM's gonna sell 2 million acres. This guy's buying.

• 1:20:35Speaker 03

  This magnate is buying.

• 1:20:38Doug DeMuro?

  The problem with that car is reliability.

• 1:20:40Speaker 03

  Reliability.

• 1:20:40Doug DeMuro?

  The Continental GT is a pretty good answer.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Aston Martin, the new Vanquish, I think is a pretty good choice.

• 1:20:48Speaker 04

  Or any Vanquish, really.

• 1:20:50Speaker 03

  Or any Aston, really.

• 1:20:51Doug DeMuro?

  Well, wait, it says it has back seats.

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  Does the Vanquish not?

• 1:20:54Speaker 04

  What Ferraris have rear seats?

• 1:20:56Doug DeMuro?

  Just like the 612 and the Luso and the FF and all them.

• 1:21:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:21:02Speaker 04

  A GTC4 Luso or a 612, both good options.

• 1:21:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:21:06Doug DeMuro?

  What about, Kenan, what about a GTC4 Luso V12? Because with the eight, there's not enough power for a road truck.

• 1:21:11Speaker 04

  Agreed.

• 1:21:12Doug DeMuro?

  V12.

• 1:21:12Speaker 03

  Right, and I, yeah, exactly. I'm not concerned with fuel economy. I'm concerned with how it pulls on the highway. And this would be.

• 1:21:18Speaker 04

  And it's practical.

• 1:21:20Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:21:20Speaker 04

  GTC4 Luso.

• 1:21:21Speaker 03

  I actually think that is a really great one. And unlike the 612, that does have cruise control.

• 1:21:26Speaker 04

  Well.

• 1:21:28Doug DeMuro?

  The 612. You know what? You know what, Filippo? We'd get that car and you know what? We'd register it in Texas and we'd get the T for Texas.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  We sure would. Done.

• 1:21:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. And that is our podcast for today. Kenan, do you have any parting thoughts?

• 1:21:44Speaker 03

  Buy more V12s. 599 Luso. More V12s.

• 1:21:48Speaker 04

  Hard to argue that.

• 1:21:50Speaker 03

  Countach.

• 1:21:51Doug DeMuro?

  Got his Mercy back. We'll get some sort of update at some point, I hope.

• 1:21:54Speaker 03

  Oh, can't wait. Can see it tonight. We're very excited.

• 1:21:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, damn. With that shiny, shiny thing. We will see you guys in a week. And remember, ask us questions, carsandbids.com, the community tab. And also download the app and do all sorts of other cars and bids related things.

• 1:22:10Speaker 03

  This is the best pod we've ever done.

• 1:22:12Doug DeMuro?

  Best we've ever done. Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:22:14Speaker 03

  Goodbye.