243. The Cosplay Killer

In this episode, Payton and Garrett explore the chilling case of Matthew Trussler. When his girlfriend discovers his lifeless body outside and calls the police, a frantic investigation begins to uncover the truth. As detectives question Matthew’s girlfriend, a confession turns the case in an unexpected direction. NEW MERCH LINK: https://mwmhshop.com Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/themwmh Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/murderwithmyhusband/ Discount Codes: https://mailchi.mp/c6f48670aeac/oh-no-media-discount-codes Watch on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@murderwithmyhusband Listen on Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/into-the-dark/id1662304327 Listen on spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/36SDVKB2MEWpFGVs9kRgQ7?si=f5224c9fd99542a7 Case sources: CBSNews.com - https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/matthew-trussler-murder/2/ Kill or Be Killed on Peacock.com - https://www.peacocktv.com/watch/playback/vod/GMO_00000000488441_01/29b41bb9-fcf3-3b72-b8f4-4b8471724fc7?orig_ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F TampaBay.com - https://www.tampabay.com/news/hillsborough/2019/10/25/riverview-woman-who-stabbed-boyfriend-said-she-let-him-die-report-says/ LawAndCrime.com - https://lawandcrime.com/crime/cosplay-model-gets-two-decades-in-prison-for-fiances-murder-after-jury-did-not-believe-her-claims-of-self-defense/ WFLA.com - https://www.wfla.com/news/hillsborough-county/melissa-turner-trial-former-cosplay-model-on-trial-for-boyfriends-murder-in-tampa/ TheSun.com - https://www.the-sun.com/news/7133490/cosplay-melissa-turner-killed-fiance-matthew-trussler-footage/ Oxygen.com - https://www.oxygen.com/kill-or-be-killed/season-1/videos/melissa-turners-friend-tells-the-story-of-how-matthew-trussler SportsKeeda.com - https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/cbs-48-hours-where-melissa-turner-now SandhillsExpress.com - https://sandhillsexpress.com/cbs_national/prosecutors-security-video-discredits-cosplay-models-story-of-selfdefense-cbsida6df067e/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:59Payton Moreland?

  You're listening to an Ono Media Podcast. Hey, everyone. Welcome back to the podcast. This is Murder with My Husband. I'm Payton Moreland.

• 1:07Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm Garrett Moreland.

• 1:09Payton Moreland?

  And he's the husband.

• 1:10Garrett Moreland?

  And I'm the husband.

• 1:11Payton Moreland?

  And boy, oh, boy, do we have news for you because our merch is live for Black Friday. We've brought back a ton of our most requested designs. Yes, that means our basics. Yes, that means Strangy Dangy. Yes, that means Into the Dark merch. Honestly, we have it all. Links are going to be everywhere. Go check it out. Again, it's for Black Friday. So if you've missed something and you wanted to get it, now is the time to do so.

• 1:39Garrett Moreland?

  It's also all discounted as well. Go get your merch. Go check it out. We love you. Thank you for supporting us. And if you were watching on YouTube, yes, I look different. Yes, I buzzed my head. Yes, I bleached it. Well, Peyton bleached it.

• 1:55Payton Moreland?

  Live on our Twitch account?

• 1:57Garrett Moreland?

  Live on our Twitch account. And it feels freeing to have a buzz cut. I've never buzzed my hair before.

• 2:03Payton Moreland?

  Garrett is letting his hair down.

• 2:05Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, I'm honestly, it feels good. It feels good to have short hair. Peyton and I are going on a trip for her birthday here soon. So we will be somewhere warm. So I'm excited about that as well.

• 2:17Payton Moreland?

  Some prayers that we get all our recordings done in time.

• 2:20Garrett Moreland?

  We will 100%. I don't know. Feeling pretty good.

• 2:26Garrett Moreland?

  Let's go back from the gym. I'm playing some pickleball. I have a pimple on the tip of my nose. And I woke up and it was white this morning. Holy crap. You guys ever? Have had to pop a white pimple on the tip of your nose? Pain.

• 2:43Payton Moreland?

  Pain.

• 2:43Garrett Moreland?

  Straight pain. I got it. It's okay.

• 2:49Garrett Moreland?

  That's kind of what we got going on. We've just been working. We've been working on some other projects that hopefully we can announce soon as well. I hate being that person, but I am being that person. But we're excited for them. I think one of them will probably announce beginning in 2025, recording episodes. Going out to eat, spending way too much money that we don't have, you know, just like everybody else in the world.

• 3:16Garrett Moreland?

  No, I'm just kidding, but we love you all. Thank you for supporting us. And if you don't like my hair, I don't want to hear it in the comments. I mean, I guess freedom of speech, you can say whatever you want to say. But if I come at you for your appearance, then all I'm saying is freedom of speech. Love you all and let's hop into today's episode.

• 3:38Payton Moreland?

  All right. Our sources for this episode are CBSnews.com, kill or be killed on peacock.com, tampa bay.com, law and crime.com, WFLA.com, the sun.com, oxygen.com, sportskeeda.com and sandhillsexpress.com. All right. So I think it's fair to say that we all go through rough patches in life. That's why it's so important to have someone that you can really lean on and trust. It's a good support system. Whether it's a partner, a parent, a sibling, a friend, even a therapist.

• 4:08Garrett Moreland?

  A dog.

• 4:09Payton Moreland?

  We all need someone that we can confide in, someone who is looking out for our best interest. Especially when those struggles are mental health related. And I know this sounds like a BetterHelp ad, but it's not. The point I'm trying to make is those lifelines are everything. And when you trust someone with your deepest, darkest secrets, you hope that at the bare minimum.

• 4:35Payton Moreland?

  They will never use those secrets you told them against you. Which is why you do have to be careful about who you open up to.

• 4:43Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 4:43Payton Moreland?

  Who you trust in those dark times, because in the wrong hands, our darkest moments could be weaponized against us. And in the event of today's case, could even be used to cover up murder. So let's hop not that far back to 2015. Actually, I just said that in 2015 is nine years ago. That's kind of far.

• 5:06Garrett Moreland?

  No, it's kind of far.

• 5:07Payton Moreland?

  But I guess most of our cases are kind of like 90s, even 80s. So it's not that far, but 2015, why does that feel like three years ago?

• 5:15Garrett Moreland?

  Almost 10 years ago, basically.

• 5:16Payton Moreland?

  So crazy. 22-year-old Matthew Trussler has just moved to Florida from Hopkinton, Massachusetts. Now, Matthew's parents, Margaret and David, gave him and his older brother Sean a pretty great childhood in Massachusetts. This is from everything that I've read. But like a lot of kids in their teens, Matthew sort of lost his way for a little while. He had battled with some substance abuse in his earlier years. So when Sean, who is his older brother, mentioned that he would be moving to Florida to start his own construction business, well, Matthew thought it would be a good opportunity and a fresh start for him as well.

• 5:58Payton Moreland?

  So he packed up his things and followed his brother 1,300 miles south to Tampa, where he actually worked as Sean's first employee at his new company.

• 6:08Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 6:09Payton Moreland?

  And that's when Sean noticed his little brother turn a corner. The sweet kid with a big heart resurfaced as Matt, who's now 22, embraced this new life for himself. Matthew even started thinking about settling down. He created a profile on Tinder now in Florida and began swiping. And eventually he came across one pretty face that caught his eye. A 24-year-old girl who loved animals, who went to school for special effects and makeup, an artist who seemed bubbly and kind. Her name was Melissa Turner. The two met up and Melissa said she was immediately taken with Matthew.

• 6:52Garrett Moreland?

  I don't know why, but this sounds familiar.

• 6:54Payton Moreland?

  Really?

• 6:55Garrett Moreland?

  The name sounds familiar.

• 6:57Payton Moreland?

  You might have seen it in the news.

• 6:59Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 7:00Payton Moreland?

  That-

• 7:00Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, wait. No, I didn't. I was not in the USA when this happened.

• 7:05Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, but it would hit the news later.

• 7:07Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 7:08Payton Moreland?

  So Melissa said that Matthew quote, drew her in, made her feel important. He was different from other guys she had dated in the past. One date turned into another and then another. And before long, as the story goes, the couple was fully committed to one another. Matthew opened up to Melissa about his difficult past, his history with drinking and substance abuse. And Melissa told Matthew about her insecurities, how she had been overweight and bullied through a lot of her childhood. And how she worked hard to go from 250 pounds down to 150 pounds in her early twenties.

• 7:47Payton Moreland?

  Melissa had found her confidence through this fitness journey of hers and had really started to come into herself. When Matthew met Melissa, she was dreaming of becoming an actress, was also though very into cosplay.

• 8:01Garrett Moreland?

  Keep it away. Cosplay is kind of cool and not gonna lie.

• 8:04Payton Moreland?

  She would dress up like Elvira, Misty from Pokemon, Velma from Scooby Doo, attend conventions, that sort of thing. And Matthew really did seem supportive of the entire thing. By 2019, the couple was engaged and looking to buy a house together. So they found a place in Riverview, a considerably safe residential suburb of Tampa. They were excited about starting their lives together, spending the weekends, picking out paint colors and furniture for their new place. And everyone who knew them as a couple thought these two are gonna go on and live a long fruitful life together. That was until the fall of that year. So we're now in 2019.

• 8:47Payton Moreland?

  Matthew and Melissa have moved in together in Florida. It was actually October 17th, 2019. It started out like any other day for the couple. Matthew and Melissa ran errands together. They went down to Home Depot and then to a grocery store. Then they had lunch out near their Tampa home and then they spent the rest of the night in. Melissa said they ended up cooking dinner. They had a few cocktails and around 11 p. She got tired and went to sleep. She passed out, actually. She went to sleep on a big sofa-like chair that she had in her office. While she said Matthew was still up and kind of staying up late. But when she woke up the following morning at around 8:30 a.m. On October 18th, 2019.

• 9:33Payton Moreland?

  Melissa found their house a complete disaster. The kitchen was completely trashed. There was blood everywhere. And Melissa said she was calling out for Matthew, but she couldn't find him. So she ran upstairs and searched their bedroom and the bathroom. But still, there was no sign of Matthew, just the house bloody and a mess. So this is when she decides to go out into their backyard and look around. And lying on the patio by their pool was Matthew. He was unresponsive and covered in blood. So Melissa calls 911 and the operator told her to administer CPR. And a frantic Melissa seemingly followed those instructions.

• 10:18Payton Moreland?

  Because when EMTs arrived minutes later, she was also covered in blood herself. But it was clear to Melissa that there was no one who could help the situation. Because her fiance, 24-year-old Matthew Trussler, was dead.

• 10:33Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 10:34Payton Moreland?

  So now Melissa tells police that she honestly, she was home, but she has no idea what happened. She said she just woke up and found him in this bloody mess. So police asked Melissa if they can search the house and she's like, yes, go right ahead. They have her sign a consent form and then they give her these latex gloves to wear. Probably so she doesn't touch anything else in her home, now that it's an active crime scene. And when they look inside, they find a lot of broken glass. Including one piece that has a pretty good amount of blood on it. And they also discover a black switchblade that when flipped open. Also has blood on the inside blade. And there's a ridiculous amount of blood in the kitchen.

• 11:18Payton Moreland?

  Like, one of the state prosecutors who was at the scene. Said it was the bloodiest crime scene she had ever witnessed in her career.

• 11:26Garrett Moreland?

  Like is she not freaking out at this point?

• 11:28Payton Moreland?

  Well.

• 11:29Garrett Moreland?

  I mean, I don't know. Interesting.

• 11:31Payton Moreland?

  Well detectives think that because of how much blood is inside the kitchen, they believe that Matthew probably mostly bled out inside the home.

• 11:40Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, man.

• 11:40Payton Moreland?

  And then ended up crawling out of the screen of the window out to the patio. So they're like following the blood and this is what they think has happened.

• 11:50Garrett Moreland?

  Yikes, man.

• 11:51Payton Moreland?

  They also think this because the window appears to be pushed open, which is weird, obviously.

• 11:57Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 11:57Payton Moreland?

  So police are wondering, was he trying to get away from someone? Like, why crawl outside if no one else is in the house? Why not crawl to a phone? Um, because it definitely looks like he was trying to get outside. So the wounds on Matthew's body become even more confusing to detectives. He has multiple lacerations all over him, but the one that looks fatal was actually a deep cut to his right arm. So.

• 12:23Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, interesting.

• 12:24Payton Moreland?

  At this point, Melissa agrees to come down to the police station for questioning. This is obviously going to be normal as she is claiming to be at the crime scene at the time of the crime. And there she remains adamant that she has absolutely zero idea how this had all happened.

• 12:40Garrett Moreland?

  I'm just already getting a little, obviously, flags are going up because of how bloody it was. It seems like, I mean, he was obviously stabbed. You're gonna hear, there's gonna be.

• 12:50Payton Moreland?

  Sliced and cut.

• 12:51Garrett Moreland?

  There's gonna be screaming, there's gonna be so much noise. There is just no way you don't hear anything. Granted, nevermind, I'm not gonna say it because

• 13:02Garrett Moreland?

  that's too much information about our personal house and life, but there's just no way, there's no way she shouldn't hear anything.

• 13:08Payton Moreland?

  Well, she tells police, she's like, listen, I had a few drinks last night, I passed out and then genuinely I woke up and found Matthew in that state in the backyard.

• 13:17Garrett Moreland?

  What I was gonna say is there's probably a spot in the room in our house where we could scream and nobody else would hear it.

• 13:23Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 13:23Garrett Moreland?

  I'm not gonna say anything. That sounds horrible. Just whatever. Anyways, keep going.

• 13:28Payton Moreland?

  Police are like, okay, yeah, we hear her story. But what was most suspicious to them is that this is a really gruesome crime scene. There were a lot of signs of struggle in the kitchen alone, broken glass. So how in the world did Melissa sleep through something like that?

• 13:46Garrett Moreland?

  Nah, yeah, there's no way. There's no way.

• 13:48Payton Moreland?

  And here's what else is strange. In the interview with police, Melissa comes in still wearing those latex gloves that they gave her earlier at the crime scene. Which, okay, police are like, hey, we're no longer at the crime scene. You know, you can take those gloves off now. Like, you don't have to wear those in here. And she's like, oh, no, it's fine. I'll just leave them on. Thanks. And so eventually detectives are like,

• 14:13Garrett Moreland?

  What?

• 14:14Payton Moreland?

  Okay, so they interview her with them on and then they're like, we need to photograph you now. So you're gonna have to remove the gloves. And so she takes the gloves off.

• 14:24Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, I already know what you're gonna say. Can I finish your sentence?

• 14:26Payton Moreland?

  Sure.

• 14:27Garrett Moreland?

  There was cuts all over her hands.

• 14:29Payton Moreland?

  Well, they realize that under the gloves, she was hiding a pretty big gash

• 14:35Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 14:35Payton Moreland?

  on her palm.

• 14:36Garrett Moreland?

  Yup.

• 14:37Payton Moreland?

  Like a gash deep enough that it needed stitches. Like it was bloody, like it needed stitches. And they're like, oh, why didn't you talk about that? What is that? And she says, no, it was just that before I called 911, I was in, I went in and I accidentally grabbed one of the broken glasses. Um, but then as police are kind of moving her around to take pictures of her, they discover that that's not her only injury. She also has a cut on her neck, too. Right, guys, we're jumping into an ad and I have to ask, have you ever gone to a store for one thing and then walk out with something totally different? That's me every time I shop on whatnot. And I'm not mad about it. I've gotten such cool, unique stuff that I didn't even realize I needed. And honestly,

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• 17:22Payton Moreland?

  So at this point, police started having a hard time buying Melissa's story.

• 17:26Garrett Moreland?

  Melissa, what the?

• 17:28Payton Moreland?

  They're like, so.

• 17:29Garrett Moreland?

  Did you do?

• 17:30Payton Moreland?

  You didn't hear it. You felt you were asleep for the entire crime.

• 17:34Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 17:34Payton Moreland?

  But also, you have a huge gash on your hand, and then also on your neck. So they decide at this point to press her a little further. They were like, hey, did you guys as a couple ever fight? Did things ever get physical between you? And Melissa's like, no, absolutely not. Things between us were great. But there was one thing. Melissa said Matthew always tried to hide from her when he was sad or depressed. But he had on more than one occasion, talked about self harm, according to Melissa. So they ask her, were you guys ever physically violent? She's like, no, but Matthew did hide kind of this violent towards himself side of him.

• 18:17Payton Moreland?

  She said he always feared he was going to quote, die young. So now police are considering this and they're like, okay, is she alluding that maybe this was suicide?

• 18:28Garrett Moreland?

  There's no way he could have. Okay. But I guess there's always a way, but.

• 18:32Payton Moreland?

  But also it's not like he was stabbed. They were more slashes and that wound on his arm wouldn't have made this impossible. Like you can definitely give yourself a fatal wound on your arm. Right? So when police run this scenario against other details found at the crime scene though, they're like, ah, it just doesn't add up because alongside some defensive looking wounds on Matthew's body. The medical examiner actually finds a stab wound in his back.

• 19:01Garrett Moreland?

  Oh.

• 19:02Payton Moreland?

  So.

• 19:03Garrett Moreland?

  Signs sealed, fricking delivered, man.

• 19:05Payton Moreland?

  The medical examiner is like, eh, we don't think he could have stabbed himself in the back. And the evidence that this was actually a homicide keeps growing from here in the investigation. Remember that big sofa like chair that Melissa slept on in her office that night? Well, when police are still combing the crime scene, they find blood drops leading to that chair. Okay, that could have gotten there after Melissa walked around the house that morning. Sure. But detectives also find clues that say she actually wasn't sound asleep all night, like she had initially told them because for starters, police collect all the data from Matthew's smartwatch

• 19:46Payton Moreland?

  and learn his exact time of death from his health app on there because it's obviously going to track when his heart stopped beating.

• 19:52Garrett Moreland?

  I think I need to start wearing an Apple watch.

• 19:54Payton Moreland?

  It registered that Matthew's heart stopped beating sometime close to 5am, which lines up with another really chilling piece of evidence that police had collected while canvassing the neighborhood from one of Melissa and Matthew's neighbors.

• 20:11Garrett Moreland?

  It seems like there should be. Maybe it'd get a little too tricky. Like if your, if your heart actually stops beating, like if it recognizes it.

• 20:20Payton Moreland?

  Call police.

• 20:20Garrett Moreland?

  Besides, I mean, I, I get you can take, you take off the watch and stuff, but there's a way to differentiate the two.

• 20:26Payton Moreland?

  Right.

• 20:27Garrett Moreland?

  And they can tell your heart actually stopped beating and like it's still on you. Yeah. It should like send a notification to like the non-emergency hotline or something like that. I don't know. I'm sure this has already been thought of. Okay. So don't come at me, but it would be really interesting.

• 20:43Payton Moreland?

  It might actually exist.

• 20:44Garrett Moreland?

  It might. I bet you there's actually an app that like automatically calls police or something.

• 20:50Payton Moreland?

  Well, they have life alert, you know?

• 20:52Garrett Moreland?

  Do have life alert, babe. Is that what you want?

• 20:54Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 20:55Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, I'll get you one.

• 20:56Payton Moreland?

  So it turns out that the people living across from Melissa and Matthew had a security camera that captured the couple's backyard.

• 21:09Garrett Moreland?

  Of course they did. That's what I'm talking about.

• 21:11Payton Moreland?

  So it captures a piece of the backyard. Now the fence around Melissa and Matthew's property keeps you from seeing what's happening out there. But police are like, hey, he crawled out to the backyard. He's found dead in the backyard. Can we please see that footage? But those cameras also capture sounds. So they're like, ah, we can't see anything. Wait, there's sound. So they turn it up. And around 4:00 AM, so an hour before his heart stopped beating on the morning of October 18.

• 21:38Garrett Moreland?

  No way, man.

• 21:39Payton Moreland?

  You can definitely hear banging on the neighbor's security camera coming from inside Matthew and Melissa's home. It sounds like objects are crashing inside the house as if someone's throwing things around. And then over the next few minutes, voices start to appear on the security camera sound. And by 4:37 AM, there is screaming coming from Matthew and Melissa's backyard.

• 22:09Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 22:19Payton Moreland?

  Now, I want to tell you, it almost sounds demonic. Uh, it's a woman shouting things like, "I hate you, you're so effing arrogant, go effing die." And then that's followed by more shouting and things like, "Get up, get up now, I hate you." Now, all of that screaming and crashing seems to go silent by 5:11 a.m. that morning, which does, again, line up with the data collected from Matthew's smartwatch. So the question of suicide is clearly no longer on the table for detectives, because you can obviously hear that there is a woman threatening Matthew.

• 22:58Garrett Moreland?

  They can clearly hear there's two different voices, a woman and a male, okay.

• 23:02Payton Moreland?

  Now, question is, was that a third party yelling at Matthew while Melissa was asleep on that chair that had blood drips to it? Or is it Melissa in the video?

• 23:12Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah, obviously, Melissa.

• 23:15Payton Moreland?

  Now, I do want to tell you, all that footage is actually reviewed while Melissa is still in the interrogation room, the more, like, the day of the murder. So, police are working fast on this case, like, they go and talk to neighbors, they're like, "Pull it up right now, we need to see", which reminds me of the Chris Watts case,

• 23:31Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 23:32Payton Moreland?

  where, literally, as soon as police respond, one officer, they go to the neighbor's house and look at his security footage.

• 23:40Garrett Moreland?

  How crazy would it be, she's sitting in there, knowing, I mean, she's not knowing, but just being actively being caught because a neighbor has a security camera?

• 23:48Payton Moreland?

  Right.

• 23:48Garrett Moreland?

  So cool.

• 23:49Payton Moreland?

  So detectives go back into the interrogation room and they're like, "Listen, your neighbor has security footage, and we need you to tell us what happened around 4 a.m. this morning." And Melissa plays dumb for a while, she's like, "What happened at 4 o'clock? I don't know, I told you I was sleeping." And they're like, "Hmm, the neighbor's security camera can pick up on the noise? There was loud yelling and screaming coming from your home?"

• 24:16Garrett Moreland?

  What'd you say to get out of that? Nothing.

• 24:18Payton Moreland?

  And Melissa's like, "No, I was asleep, I don't remember", and detectives are like, "Melissa, please."

• 24:24Garrett Moreland?

  Melissa, girl.

• 24:26Payton Moreland?

  And eventually, Melissa seems to recall some new details.

• 24:30Garrett Moreland?

  Interesting.

• 24:31Payton Moreland?

  She says, "Hmm..." Well, we might have gotten into an argument. Actually, yeah. But we weren't like screaming at we at each other. And if we were, it really wasn't a big deal. So by this point, Melissa's admitted that she's awake at 4am and that she is arguing with Matthew, which means there was no one else at the house with them. I mean, if there was someone else, she would have said, oh, no, that was someone else. I woke up. There was someone else, right? No, she's saying, no, it was us. There was no one with us. And when they corner her on that, they're like, okay, Melissa, you do understand that if he died at five and there was no third party in your home and you were awake, who killed him?

• 25:13Payton Moreland?

  And she's like, mm, actually, as you're saying this, more is coming to my memory. She's like, wait, I do remember something. She says Matthew was still up at four in the morning and was being super loud and woke me up. And so we got into a fight about it. And when they ask her why she was screaming at him to get up, get up. She says, oh, well, Matthew was clearly not sober on that evening, even though he had been battling with his sobriety for years. And when he got to that state of drunkenness, he would often fall down and have a hard time composing himself.

• 25:47Garrett Moreland?

  Which they could double check if they do a, uh, what's it called then? That was a colonoscopy.

• 25:52Payton Moreland?

  Autopsy.

• 25:53Garrett Moreland?

  Which they could double check if they do an autopsy.

• 25:56Payton Moreland?

  Autopsy. Autopsy. Autopsy.

• 26:05Garrett Moreland?

  Which they could double check if they do an autopsy.

• 26:10Payton Moreland?

  Autopsy.

• 26:12Garrett Moreland?

  Autopsy. If they do an autopsy report?

• 26:15Payton Moreland?

  Autopsy report.

• 26:16Garrett Moreland?

  Autopsy.

• 26:17Payton Moreland?

  Which they already did.

• 26:18Garrett Moreland?

  Autopsy report.

• 26:19Payton Moreland?

  No, autopsy.

• 26:21Garrett Moreland?

  Which did the autopsy report say?

• 26:26Payton Moreland?

  But I do want to point out before all this, Melissa was using the fact that Matthew had struggled with his mental health as a way that this could possibly be suicide, right? Like, maybe the police would think it's suicide if she mentions that he sometimes talked about self-harm or really struggled with this.

• 26:46Garrett Moreland?

  She kept going along these lines of self-harm, drugs, alcohol.

• 26:50Payton Moreland?

  Right, right. Well, no, when that doesn't work, now all of a sudden she's weaponizing his addiction, right? She's like, "Well, he would just get super drunk and he wouldn't be able to stand up." And so then they're like, "Okay, whenever we're trying to ask you something, you just revert to like somehow it's Matthew's fault."

• 27:05Garrett Moreland?

  Which, I mean, if she killed him, obviously.

• 27:08Payton Moreland?

  So now they're like, "Okay, now that we've gotten her to kind of like reframe her story, change her story already." They say, "Okay, now can you tell us how you actually got that cut on your hand?" And Melissa finally gives in, and she's like, "Fine, I did murder Matthew, but it was in self-defense." So now she's officially...

• 27:28Garrett Moreland?

  Does she have an attorney at this point? Like, or is she just straight just...

• 27:32Payton Moreland?

  No, and we're still day one, and she is confessing to the murder of Matthew. But now, the first time she's saying it, I mean, her story has changed a thousand times. But now it's self-defense, and this is how her confession goes. Melissa says when Matthew woke her up at 4:00 a.m. because he was being too loud, "It did turn into a pretty ugly argument." She said, "When Matthew got to this point of intoxication, he was also known to bring out knives." Now again, she sort of returns to the first bogus theory she pitched because she says that Matthew was known to turn the knives on himself when they were arguing. And so that evening, the two of them fought over the knife. Presumably, this is the black switchblade that was found at the crime scene. Basically, she says she

• 28:17Payton Moreland?

  tried to take it away from Matthew when he grabbed her by the neck and started strangling her. So Melissa said she thought Matthew was gonna kill her at that moment, and so she grabbed the knife that's now in her possession and stabbed him in the back. Gently, though. She says, "I gently stabbed him so that she can try and get him off her."

• 28:39Garrett Moreland?

  No way. Did she really say gently?

• 28:41Payton Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 28:42Garrett Moreland?

  She said, I gently stabbed him.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  And I stabbed him lightly in the back just to get him off of me.

• 28:48Garrett Moreland?

  You can't, you can't gently stab someone.

• 28:50Payton Moreland?

  Also, that sounds way more painful, to be honest, to be gently stabbed.

• 28:54Garrett Moreland?

  You just can't. It is not possible to gently stab somebody.

• 28:58Payton Moreland?

  So after this, she said Matthew slammed her head into the counter. And that's when she recalled vaguely stumbling back to her office where she collapsed in the chair. Cause she now has a head injury until around 8am the next morning. And then Melissa says when she came to, she was certain Matthew was still alive. Cause she didn't think that gentle stab wound would be fatal. Mind you, Melissa doesn't really seem to make mention of any of the other wounds covering Matthew's body, as you remember. But she does say, however, that this wasn't an uncommon occurrence between them. That she had lied earlier and there was a lot of physical abuse. After all, the couple did fight, especially when it came to the addiction that Matthew struggled with, with alcohol.

• 29:44Payton Moreland?

  But after this, Melissa actually doubles down on this story and comes up with something pretty wild and disturbing. And she says, so yeah, not to mention we were, there was physical abuse, but also Matthew saw demons. That sometimes in their relationship, he would stare off into corners of the house and tell her the evil entities were watching them.

• 30:07Garrett Moreland?

  I just don't really know what to think because I mean, Matthew's obviously dead. He can't defend himself and she's just saying all this stuff. Granted, like some of the stuff, maybe it could be true, like other people, this stuff happens to. But like, she's just saying stuff and he can't defend himself. You know what I'm saying?

• 30:25Payton Moreland?

  Well, I'm just like.

• 30:25Garrett Moreland?

  She's just going off, like she's just going off and saying anything and everything possible to make herself look better.

• 30:31Payton Moreland?

  Wake up in the morning, call 911, say, we got in a fight last night. He slammed my head on the counter. I ended up passing out and now he's dead, like. It was physical. I don't know what happened. It was self-defense. Like,

• 30:43Garrett Moreland?

  She's just-

• 30:44Payton Moreland?

  You don't call and be like, "I don't know what happened. I have no idea."

• 30:48Garrett Moreland?

  Well, I don't know. It's just kind of frustrating.

• 30:51Payton Moreland?

  So she says that when all of this happened, the night of his murder, Melissa claims that something had switched in Matthew and that it didn't seem like she was even fighting him during this physical altercation. That as things escalated, according to Melissa, he started talking to her in a weird voice and saying, "What's the matter, little girl? Are you scared because Matt's not here anymore?" He just had this little smile on his face and he said, "What's the matter, little girl? Are you scared? Because Matt's not here anymore." Now, I know it might seem like days have passed to this point, but I'm trying to tell you all of these story changes

• 31:33Payton Moreland?

  and evidence and new things she keeps bringing up happened literally within hours.

• 31:37Garrett Moreland?

  What in the world is happening?

• 31:41Payton Moreland?

  So by 2:00 PM, that day, remember, she calls police. She wakes up at 8:00 AM. It's now 2:00 PM and all of this has happened. Melissa's like, "Shoot, I should ask for a lawyer." So they let her leave for the night because she now asks for a lawyer so they can't keep interviewing her. And they're like, "We'll let her leave and we'll compile more evidence." And so they decide to speak with Matthew's friends and family next, right? Like, this is normally what happens in an investigation. It's just that they already have a confession.

• 32:09Garrett Moreland?

  Also, they'll easily know because if she's saying all the stuff and no friends or family know-

• 32:15Payton Moreland?

  Have heard about it.

• 32:16Garrett Moreland?

  The likelihood of this being true is like 1%.

• 32:20Payton Moreland?

  Right. I mean, if you are struggling with mental health-

• 32:24Garrett Moreland?

  Usually family-

• 32:25Payton Moreland?

  To this severe of seeing demons-

• 32:27Garrett Moreland?

  Usually somebody else knows. Usually it's not just the spouse. Therapist, family, somebody.

• 32:32Payton Moreland?

  Somebody. Not always, but usually.

• 32:34Garrett Moreland?

  Yes.

• 32:35Payton Moreland?

  So they start interviewing friends and family. They're like, "Hey, we need, tell us everything you know about Melissa and Matthew." And to them, it's becoming more and more clear that Melissa's story is likely a bunch of crap.

• 32:45Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 32:46Payton Moreland?

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• 33:47Garrett Moreland?

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• 33:58Payton Moreland?

  As you guys know, I was just at a hospital stay. And what do you think I wore the entire time after giving birth and taking care of my new baby?

• 34:08Garrett Moreland?

  I know.

• 34:09Payton Moreland?

  What?

• 34:10Garrett Moreland?

  Diapers.

• 34:12Payton Moreland?

  I wore my Skims sleep soft lounge sets, cotton fleece sets. Honestly, they are the most comfortable thing and I had to bring them to the hospital.

• 34:23Garrett Moreland?

  They're amazing. Skims is, Skims is the best. Come on.

• 34:26Payton Moreland?

  Ah, their sleep sets are just the perfect weight. They stay cool. They're such great quality. There's something about just having nice pajamas or loungewear that makes you feel put together, especially at a time like where I am in postpartum. You guys know how much we love Skims. Again, I have really been into their sleep soft lounge and cotton fleece sets. I got the cutest like chocolate fleece set that says Skims is really cute. I think I posted about it on my Instagram. So you have to go check it out. Shop my favorite loungewear and pajamas at skims.com. And after you place Your order, be sure to let them know we sent you select podcast in the survey and be sure to select our show in the dropdown menu that follows. Again, that's after you've already checked

• 35:11Payton Moreland?

  out. Please take the extra step of letting them know murder with my husband sent you. And if you're looking for the perfect gifts for everyone on your list, the Skims holiday shop is now open at skims.com. Now, not only do police learn, there's actually no evidence that Matthew has ever considered or tried to self harm. And when Matthew's brother Sean and his parents hear about his murder, they literally tell police Melissa killed him and it wasn't an accident. It was intentional.

• 35:44Garrett Moreland?

  Holy crap.

• 35:44Payton Moreland?

  Which is a major red flag. If the family or like first things first is that she killed him and it was on purpose.

• 35:52Garrett Moreland?

  Take Melissa down.

• 35:53Payton Moreland?

  There's no question in their mind because they say Melissa quote, took Matty long before she took him forever. Like they, they she took Matt from them long before she killed him. I guess Matthew had cut off his family sometime prior to his death, which was likely at her demands. Even Sean, his boss and his brother said that six months prior to the murder, he himself had gotten into a fight with Melissa, Matthew's girl. And from what I can tell, it had to do with how many hours Matthew was working for Sean. So she actually got him to quit and Matthew and Sean

• 36:33Payton Moreland?

  hadn't really been speaking much since. So she says he's working too much and then he quits his job that he had with his brother.

• 36:41Garrett Moreland?

  She sounds diabolical.

• 36:42Payton Moreland?

  But there was more to the story, according to Matthew's parents. Apparently Matthew had gotten involved in Melissa's business, one that caused him to slip into old habits and threatened his sobriety. Because remember how I mentioned Melissa was really into cosplay? Well, what I didn't tell you was that was actually how she made a lot of her money. She would dress up like characters and then film sexually explicit content as these characters.

• 37:07Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 37:08Payton Moreland?

  And apparently she got Matthew to star in these videos along. Melissa actually started this sexual cosplay blog years prior. And it was supposed to be temporary, a way for her to pay the bills while she found her footing as either an actress or a special effects or makeup artist. But over time, Melissa developed a pretty hefty fan base. People who were willing to pay a lot of money to see their favorite fictional character come to life and engage in sexual acts. Which meant more people willing to pay for her content as well. Now, I'm not sure if this was like an OnlyFans thing, but I know this cam girl job actually helped her buy that home that they lived in, in Tampa.

• 37:54Payton Moreland?

  But even long before she met Matthew and recruited him to participate in her videos. People saw a change in the Melissa they once knew. So before Matt's even in the picture. People who knew Melissa were starting to feel weird. An ex-boyfriend of Melissa said, once she started to see some real growth and success from her cosplay business. The more unhinged she became, if you will. In fact, he said Melissa became so obsessed with her business that it consumed every corner of her life. All she thought about was how to make more and more money and she was willing to do anything to make that happen. It was almost like something switched inside of Melissa, almost like she became manic, unpredictable.

• 38:35Payton Moreland?

  Now, a former roommate of Matthew's even comes forward to say, look, he did live with an alcohol addiction, yes. Okay. But Matthew was never violent when he was drunk. Friends and family come forward and they were like, I've lived with him, I've seen him, I partied with him. He was not a violent drunk. However, it did make Melissa pretty angry, according to friends and family. When Matthew got too intoxicated. Got it. To the point where multiple people said they had seen her be the aggressor. Got it. On more than one occasion. So Matthew's family has a different theory for police.

• 39:16Payton Moreland?

  They think at first Matthew might have been into the idea of helping Melissa out with their cosplay stuff. That the cut and the money he would make was probably enticing and. If he didn't work for his brother, he could work for her. But over time, he might have gotten uncomfortable with it or suggested that he wanted out. And they believed that that was the conversation that might have sparked their argument on October 18th. They also wonder if Melissa was actually looking for a partner for her business when she found Matthew on Tinder. Like Matthew was in shape. He was handsome. He fit the mold of a good looking actor. So maybe Melissa had kind of recruited him in a way to help her out with this content. Of course, this is just the family's theory, but I think it makes sense.

• 40:01Payton Moreland?

  I mean, a family does know the nuances of a relationship better than we as people just researching this and the journalism might. And when police hear all of this, they seem to think it kind of makes sense too. They, they, the family brings it forward enough evidence of this theory that they start to buy it. Particularly reflecting back on one thing Melissa said in that interview. And it was that Matthew claimed to be possessed by demons. Now Melissa is a cosplay model and actress and a lot of the stuff she does is horror and fantasy related. So they have to wonder, is this like a script for Melissa? Is she creating her own narrative here? And is she giving the performance of her life while doing so?

• 40:45Payton Moreland?

  Possibly because not a day later, on October 19th, 2019, Melissa is arrested for second degree murder with a weapon.

• 40:53Garrett Moreland?

  I'm just trying to figure out why, like I'm still trying and that we're talking through this.

• 40:58Payton Moreland?

  I mean, do we really need a why with domestic violence?

• 41:01Garrett Moreland?

  We never need a why, but um.

• 41:04Payton Moreland?

  You do a court.

• 41:05Garrett Moreland?

  You do in court, like where's the motive? What's the motive? Why? Why we should do this? I mean, you do need a why to an extent, but because then you have to prove first degree murder, not prove second degree murder. Like where, where are we?

• 41:17Payton Moreland?

  Yes.

• 41:17Garrett Moreland?

  Where are we on this? Journey of murder.

• 41:21Payton Moreland?

  I don't know. Either way, she is arrested fairly fast and a judge sets her bond for half a million dollars and Melissa puts that home she shared with Matthew up as collateral.

• 41:31Garrett Moreland?

  Wow, half a million dollars, okay.

• 41:33Payton Moreland?

  Finally, on November 7th, 2019, the autopsy report comes back with some interesting information. It says that the stab wounds on Matthew's back were in fact superficial, which was going to be tough for the prosecution because it suggested that maybe Melissa was telling the truth about trying to get Matthew off her, that the stab was gentle, if you will. They also discover that Matthew's blood alcohol level was, and this was in quotes in some sources, astronomical.

• 42:04Garrett Moreland?

  Okay, so I was gonna ask what the medical examiner had found with his blood alcohol level.

• 42:10Payton Moreland?

  Well, it was actually five times over the lethal limit for Florida.

• 42:15Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 42:15Payton Moreland?

  However.

• 42:16Garrett Moreland?

  But, okay.

• 42:17Payton Moreland?

  Police never checked Melissa's blood alcohol level. So there's no telling if she was equally as incapacitated during this fight. Ultimately, they find that the cut to Matthew's right bicep severed an artery that led to his real cause of death, which was from blood loss. Which means if Melissa had just called 911 at the time of the fight, they might have been able to stop the bleeding and save Matthew's life. So because of COVID, it takes two and a half years for Melissa to end up in court. But before, there are several attempts by both the defense and the state to make some sort of plea deal. But Melissa maintains it was self-defense.

• 42:57Payton Moreland?

  So when the state says 25 years in a state Florida prison for her plea, her attorneys are like, absolutely not, we will plead for five years. And the state's like, no way. So on Valentine's Day, 2022, it is time for a jury to decide whether Melissa acted in self-defense or not, because it's not a question of whether she killed him.

• 43:18Garrett Moreland?

  So after hearing some of this, I still think she, I'll say in my opinion, I don't think it was in self-defense, but I don't know how that can be proven, so. I think she's gonna get off because after hearing the evidence you have, unless there's more, while we go into trial, I just don't, I don't see how she gets convicted.

• 43:39Payton Moreland?

  Let me tell you a little bit, a little bit about the trial.

• 43:41Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 43:42Payton Moreland?

  Here's what's interesting. The judge did not allow any mention of Melissa's cosplay career to enter the courtroom.

• 43:49Garrett Moreland?

  Hmm, why?

• 43:50Payton Moreland?

  According to them, it wasn't relevant to the case.

• 43:54Garrett Moreland?

  I always find it interesting when a judge says this isn't relevant. It's like everything is relevant, right?

• 44:00Payton Moreland?

  I, well, okay, I understand that like the jury might look at her differently if they knew what she did for a living.

• 44:07Garrett Moreland?

  I see what you're saying, but that's part of the case, right?

• 44:09Payton Moreland?

  Well.

• 44:10Garrett Moreland?

  Or no?

• 44:11Payton Moreland?

  I mean, it doesn't really technically tie into the, the killings that night.

• 44:15Garrett Moreland?

  So he's just worried about the preconceived ideas around it.

• 44:18Payton Moreland?

  I, I mean, I think the family thinks it does because the family thinks he was leaving and that's what bothered her. But I think it could be helpful for the jury to know that this woman is technically an actress. Like she's an aspiring actress.

• 44:30Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 44:30Payton Moreland?

  She acts in these videos.

• 44:32Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 44:32Payton Moreland?

  There's a chance she could cry on demand because right away she goes on to give the jury her sob story about how she thought she was gonna die that night. And she had no choice but to act in self-defense. She never intended to kill Matthew. And yes, she does take the stand during her own trial. Frankly, the defense had a pretty good chance, like Garrett said, at getting these charges dismissed. Between the superficial stab wounds, the extremely high blood alcohol content, they argued that could make someone hallucinate and see demons, like her story could be true.

• 45:05Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 45:05Payton Moreland?

  And Melissa painting Matthew as an abusive alcoholic who exhibited unsettling past behavior.

• 45:11Garrett Moreland?

  That's a hard case to fight.

• 45:13Payton Moreland?

  Yeah, it is. And maybe one of the most interesting things that kind of helped her case was in regards to that security footage from the neighbor's home. And I know you would think it would be the opposite. This is the one where you can hear Melissa screaming obscenities at Matthew and telling him to die. Well, the defense actually calls a former FBI audio expert to the stand. And they say they're pretty sure sections of the audio have been edited and the volume enhanced at trial to make Melissa sound loud and Matthew was practically inaudible.

• 45:49Payton Moreland?

  Now, I don't know if this is true. Obviously, like an FBI experts is testifying to it. I don't know if the audio was edited. What I do know, though, is that it's very obvious on that audio that Melissa is telling Matthew to die.

• 46:06Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 46:06Payton Moreland?

  That's not.

• 46:08Garrett Moreland?

  You can't edit that.

• 46:09Payton Moreland?

  You can't edit that. And that is the truth. And also, I mean, this also could just be the reality of the situation in the audio. Melissa was the aggressor. Matthew could have been stabbed. He could have been trying to calm things down. Or he was already so injured at the point that he couldn't scream. I mean, ultimately, it was up to the jury to sift through this massive pile of fact and fiction. But I want to say it didn't take long for one thing to become clear, and that was that Melissa wasn't that good of an actress after all.

• 46:42Speaker 05

  I explained my side and why I did what I did.

• 46:45Speaker 06

  You're crying right now. Is that, is that what's happening? Are you crying right now?

• 46:50Speaker 05

  Do you know what tears look like?

• 46:53Payton Moreland?

  Jurors saw right through the tears Melissa tried to cry on the stand. One minute on the stand, she would be like really angry and then just like flip a switch and be devastatingly sad. And this really made the jurors feel uncomfortable. But that was only the tip of the iceberg when it came to proving Melissa's guilt. Because the prosecution brought up another questionable point in Melissa's story. Remember when she said Matthew had hit her head on the counter and that's when she stumbled and passed out? Well, when she was examined at the crime scene that day, a tech determined that she had zero signs of head injury. And if that was the case, why didn't she report it right away to the police?

• 47:35Payton Moreland?

  Well, the answer to that question seemed to come with one final smoking gun. It was another piece of tape that was shown to the jury from inside the couple's home on the night of the attack.

• 47:48Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 47:49Payton Moreland?

  It's from an ADT surveillance camera pointed at the couple's foyer. So they had a camera inside the house. It's at 3:42 a.m. And you can see Matthew walking through their foyer pretty calmly. Everything about his demeanor is pretty normal. And then. Melissa is trailing behind him in this footage and she's hunched over. She looks irate. She's disheveled. She's very intoxicated. She's almost like creepily like stalking Matthew into the kitchen, where according to the timeline, their fight begins less than 20 minutes later. And then at 4:08 a.m., Melissa returns into frame and she's standing in the foyer,

• 48:33Payton Moreland?

  just staring at the wall for a moment. And in that clip, you can see that her right hand is covered in blood.

• 48:40Garrett Moreland?

  Okay.

• 48:40Payton Moreland?

  And then Melissa turns back and walks back into the kitchen. Now, there's so many alarm bells going off with these tapes, but one of the biggest-

• 48:48Garrett Moreland?

  This is insane.

• 48:49Payton Moreland?

  It, one of the biggest things the prosecutors point out at trial is, okay, if she's in self-defense, right? And she's in distress. She feels like her life is on the line here, like she's claiming. Why would you get out of the kitchen where the fight is happening?

• 49:04Garrett Moreland?

  And then go back in.

• 49:05Payton Moreland?

  And then like calmly and then run back in. Why would you run back towards your aggressor?

• 49:10Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 49:11Payton Moreland?

  The person who's trying to kill you. I think it's pretty clear to say that Melissa probably did not get hit into the head and stumble into her office and that she could have easily called 911 in that moment if her life was in danger. But she was either so drunk, she couldn't comprehend what was happening, or she chose not to. So after less than a week of testimony, the jury came back on February 18th, 2022, with a verdict. The 29-year-old Melissa Turner was found-

• 49:36Garrett Moreland?

  Guilty.

• 49:37Payton Moreland?

  Guilty of second-degree murder.

• 49:39Garrett Moreland?

  Good, good, good.

• 49:39Payton Moreland?

  She was later sentenced to 20 and a half years behind bars. But the damage Melissa did to Matthew's family-

• 49:46Garrett Moreland?

  Oh, is-

• 49:47Payton Moreland?

  And his memory.

• 49:48Garrett Moreland?

  Unrepairable.

• 49:49Payton Moreland?

  Unrepairable. Matthew's mother pointed out how Melissa not only isolated him from them in the final-

• 49:54Garrett Moreland?

  She killed him.

• 49:55Payton Moreland?

  Months of his life. She created this narrative of abuse about him. She slaughtered his name-

• 50:01Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 50:01Payton Moreland?

  After killing him.

• 50:03Garrett Moreland?

  Which is what I was saying earlier. She just made all this crap up.

• 50:06Payton Moreland?

  I mean, she used Matthew's hardest battles, his alcoholism, his addiction, as a way to try and throw him under the bus.

• 50:16Garrett Moreland?

  Yeah.

• 50:16Payton Moreland?

  To shield herself, to protect herself, to cover up the fact that she did murder him and according to the state willingly did it as second-degree murder. When I think in reality, Melissa was probably the threat all along.

• 50:31Garrett Moreland?

  Hundred percent.

• 50:32Payton Moreland?

  If you're basing it off of what everyone in their life has said. It feels like pretty cut and dry behavior. Isolate someone from their family, isolate them from their job, completely cut them off, make them reliable on you.

• 50:45Garrett Moreland?

  Yep.

• 50:46Payton Moreland?

  That feels like aggressor predatory behavior to me. That's like what we see, right?

• 50:50Garrett Moreland?

  It's pretty wild.

• 50:51Payton Moreland?

  And that honestly is the case of Matthew Trussler and where it's sitting right now. All right, you guys, that was our case for this week's episode and we will see you next time with another one. I love it.

• 51:03Garrett Moreland?

  And I hate it.

• 51:04Payton Moreland?

  Goodbye.

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