Kylie & Kate Hudson on Makeup in the Delivery Room, Red Carpet Run-Ins & RomCom Queendom | Ep. 13

Kylie’s back for a brand new episode of Not Gonna Lie presented by Liquid Death and starts things off by getting honest about the NGL fan base name… she’s changed her mind! Pregnancy Brain is a powerful thing! Kylie checks out new submissions and gives an update on voting (1:35). Then, Kylie gets into the TikToks currently dominating her “For You Page” as she enters the home stretch of her pregnancy: “Pack My Hospital Bag with Me” videos (5:35). Kylie shares the craziest sh*t she’s seen people pack, what she packs in her bag and for all the dad listeners: what Jason always brings to the hospital (yes this includes THE fan!) (12:25) After that, Kylie is joined by the star of her favorite RomCom of all time, Oscar nominated actress and the lead in Netflix's new comedy series Running Point: Kate Hudson (16:05). Kylie and Kate talk about “How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days” and the baby name inspiration Kylie took from it (17:57). Then, Kate shares what it was like growing up in the spotlight with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell as parents and how she handles parenting in the public eye with her own kids (19:35). Kylie also asks Kate about her sports fandom, creating a space for women in men’s sports and bringing her daughter to set on “Running Point” (28:02) Lastly, Kylie asks Kate about the best piece of motherhood advice she’s ever received (34:39) and the most “humbling” things her kids have ever said to her over the years (39:45). As always, make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for exclusive clips from Kylie’s longer conversation with Kate Hudson. . . . Support the Show: Liquid Death: Go to http://liquiddeath.com/kylie for $2 off any 2 six-packs! Liquid Death is available nationwide anywhere you shop for water or iced tea Watch Kate Hudson in “Running Point” streaming now on Netflix! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:00Kylie Kelce?

  I'm not gonna lie. I have warned just about everyone I've spoken to that if I sound like I'm running a marathon, it's because my child's butt is so far into my lungs that I can't inflate them fully. Miracle light. Let's start this podcast.

• 1:25Kylie Kelce?

  Welcome to Not Gonna Lie, a Wave original, brought to you by Liquid Death. I know it sounds a little scary, but it's not. It's just the most badass way to stay hydrated, okay? Seriously, it's delicious. And when it's in a can like this, it tastes colder. I can't explain it. I'm just letting you know. It tastes more crisp and refreshing. That's all. I'm your host, Kylie Kelsey, great British Bake Off fan, professional water bottle filler to three children, and I once wore a vintage Eagles jacket for an EAF auction.

• 2:01Kylie Kelce?

  I'm so glad we raised money, but I still don't like being in front of a camera. Coming up on today's episode, I'm nearly nine months pregnant and therefore my TikTok algorithm is giving me all sorts of pack my hospital bag videos. I have a lot to say on that in Doom Scroll of the Week. And after that, I'll be joined by Oscar nominated actress Kate Hudson. We're going to talk about growing up in the spotlight, her new show, Running Point, and of course, my favorite rom com, How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. I have no business speaking of her either. Before we do all that, I do have an update on the NGL fanbase name. In the spirit of complete honesty, as I always am around here, I changed my mind.

• 2:45Kylie Kelce?

  Anyone that lives with a pregnant person knows that hormones will get the best of you and sometimes you decide something and then promptly change your mind. So we've got a couple of new pitches to consider. As much as I do love NGLers, I don't want the name of the show in the fanbase name, I think. I think that's what'll fix it. So I'm going to shout out a few new suggestions. First up, one of my favorite TikTok creators, @Mdoodlesandstuff, posted an entire TikTok predicting the name of our fans. This is the same creator who created a video before we had Bennett.

• 3:30Kylie Kelce?

  And I commented on it saying it was as if she had bugged our house because she was so spot on with the guesses of our kids' potential names. Emma, Queen Emma, Queen Emma, roll the clip.

• 3:44Speaker 06

  So far, their ideas have been terrible. Kylie's Queens princess squad caused a visceral reaction. Kylie Kelce is no princess. She's a fearless leader. She's an alpha type. She's not doing sideline photo shoots and pleather jeggings. In the Philadelphia Eagles subreddit, someone asked Eagles fans, what do you call yourselves? And a popular response reads, we don't need some dumbass nickname. We are Philadelphia. Cheerled on with keep your nicknames. We don't want them. We're damn real. I personally believe that these responses could be three separate burner accounts. Kylie Kelce.

• 4:11Kylie Kelce?

  They are.

• 4:12Speaker 06

  The Kylie, you hear Kylie at the beginning and then it turns into sports. I think this one particularly fits because the acronym NGL for the podcast is only one letter away from NFL, a league that Kylie and many Kylie fans have an affinity for. If you want to tone it on the sports theme, increase the fearless camaraderie and shift from Kylie to Kylie leaders.

• 4:28Kylie Kelce?

  So two of the, two of the names that she brought up there are the Kylie and the Kylie leaders. I don't mind either of those, but we know that I don't love when my name's in it because I feel like it's self-centered.

• 4:49Kylie Kelce?

  I don't know how to say that any other way. I don't like being the center of attention.

• 4:56Kylie Kelce?

  I'm aware that I'm on my own podcast right now. Uh, moving on. In full transparency, we just had a little sidebar with Queen Emma and another queen on our team, Nicole, who does our socials.

• 5:12Kylie Kelce?

  Poor Nicole. We're going to hit this list with a head to head situation to narrow it down to three options. So I'm going to need you guys to be following us on our socials, at NGL with Kylie, so that you can make sure that you vote. And we will do a head to head, uh, three head to heads and then put it into a poll. Okay. So I need you guys to buckle up and take some ownership here because my pregnancy brain won't let me make a definitive decision. So can I get some help, please? Back from another sidebar with Queen Emma. She's insisting that I read you the options.

• 5:54Kylie Kelce?

  So now I'm going to list you the finalists that we have. The list is the real ones, outliers, the flock or flockers. Love that sounds like fuckers. F A F Os and some new additions to the list, the Kylie and Kylie leaders.

• 6:17Kylie Kelce?

  We're gonna put it on social. So again, make sure you're following at NGO with Kylie. So you can make sure your vote gets in there. Moving on, let's get into what my Tik Tok for you page is serving up on doom scroll of the week. I'm getting all sorts of videos on a subject I have very strong thoughts on. Pack my hospital bag with me Tik Tok. If you aren't familiar with these Tik Toks or Instagram reels, here's the gist. When you are going to have a baby, you are going to expect to be in the hospital for 48 hours minimum. So you obviously need to

• 7:00Kylie Kelce?

  take some things along with you. Plus, it's sometimes nice to take some of the comforts of home, just to make your stay a little more delightful. I mean, a human being is about to exit your body. You're allowed some perks. Leaning into that, some of the craziest shit I've seen, women packing in their hospital bags lately. Number one is a tripod for a camera. Specifically, the video I saw about the tripod, the person even says that the nurse told her that it was a tripping hazard for the medical staff. So I'm gonna tell you what, the reason I go to the hospital is because I love a medical staff and I don't want to trip them. I don't want to slow

• 7:44Kylie Kelce?

  them down while they're trying to get to me. What happens if this one decides to do full slip and slide and just shoot right out and they can't run across the room to catch it? You see what I'm saying? Also, do we want to relive it? Like, the tripod for the camera would be, I'm assuming, to record the birth of your child. But do we want to relive it? It's a genuine question. I'm genuinely, I'm interested. This kind of reminds me of what I like to call the home, the home ec mirror, or the cooking demonstration mirror. That's a mirror, I don't know if your birth experience had this, but the hospital that I go to has these mirrors that you can ask for,

• 8:26Kylie Kelce?

  that they will actually put at right behind the doctor and angle it down so you can see

• 8:34Kylie Kelce?

  the baby coming out. No, no, it's a, it's the cooking demonstration mirror because you can angle it. No. The next item.

• 8:46Kylie Kelce?

  An entire makeup kit.

• 8:49Kylie Kelce?

  This one, I might get some, I might catch some shit for.

• 8:55Kylie Kelce?

  I'm not taking makeup to the hospital.

• 8:58Kylie Kelce?

  I'm not. I, I will take chapstick and I will end up at the hospital with mascara because it will be in my fanny pack, which goes everywhere with me. Okay? I have seen quite a few videos of people saying that they need to have their hair and makeup done because it's their first impression

• 9:21Kylie Kelce?

  between them and their child.

• 9:25Kylie Kelce?

  Here's, here's how I feel about it. If you would like to do your makeup, have at it. If that's what makes you happy and feel put together and feel back like yourself, do it, to it, Lars. But it won't be me. And not to mention, when they come out, they can only see like 12 inches from their face or something. So like, they're not catching details. They're gonna love you

• 9:56Kylie Kelce?

  because you made them. In that same boat, people who are packing curling irons or hair straighteners. What? Why? Who?

• 10:11Kylie Kelce?

  When? I'm gonna tell you what, when I show up to the hospital, I put my hair in a French braid. I don't even, sometimes I do it before I go and sometimes I do it while I'm there. Put my hair in a French braid and you know what happens to my hair? It stays in a fucking French braid. It is, it's back there, it's out of my face.

• 10:33Kylie Kelce?

  You just made a human. I'm, I'm stressed out about how much pressure you're putting on yourself to look good. Although I will say, and I already said this about the makeup kit, I do understand it if it is a matter of that you want to feel like yourself and that's how you feel, that helps you feel good. Whatever helps you feel good in recovery, do that. So just take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. None of these things go in my hospital bag. That's all I'm saying. The last item, and this one is going to stir up. This one's gonna stir up some issues because I think this one is probably the most. Uh, universal.

• 11:18Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, the one that's probably the most common. A large suitcase. I don't understand why we're bringing a wheelie suitcase. I'm talking a wheelie suitcase that is checked baggage size wheelie suitcase. Not a carry on.

• 11:34Kylie Kelce?

  Checked bag, like a big ass wheelie suitcase. What are you bringing? I genuinely want to know. I want to know because I want to know if I'm wrong. I've done this three times. I've never taken a wheelie suitcase. I have taken a duffel bag and a diaper bag with all the baby things in it. I'm ju- I feel like I'm almost missing something. I genuinely want to know. Can you tell me, please? At NGL with Kylie, please tag me. I want to know what you're bringing in your wheelie suitcase. The big one, not the little, don't tag me in a carry on. I'm not talking about a carry on. If it can fit in the oversized bin, I'm not talking to you. Okay, I'm talking to the people who have packed up for six weeks, six more weeks of winter, spent at the hospital. Okay?

• 12:20Kylie Kelce?

  Don't. I want to know what's in there. I will say, my hospital bag has not changed very much. Since Wyatt. In my hospital bag. Has been. Pajamas. Probably two sets. A go- that are stretchy. That are very, very stretchy. My toiletry bag. With all the goodies. Which is shampoo, conditioner, a bar of Dove soap. You know what I'm saying? Just the essentials. A robe to cover my butt when I'm wearing a hospital gown. And if it gets a little chilly. Um, my going home outfit, some snacks for both myself and my husband if need be. And slippers, foot flops. I feel like I nailed that.

• 13:05Kylie Kelce?

  For all the dad listeners and soon to be dad listeners. Jason's bag usually consists of. Sleep shorts.

• 13:15Kylie Kelce?

  A change of clothes.

• 13:18Kylie Kelce?

  And his toiletry bag.

• 13:23Kylie Kelce?

  I think that's literally it. I don't even think the man brings snacks. He does bring a fan. We all saw that in the documentary, on the podcast. The man loves a fan and I don't even blame him. It really, it makes his sleeping situation more pleasant. I've said it before, I don't want him to have to suffer. I want him to be comfortable. Now, did I want him to carry a whole ass fan to the hospital? Not really, but he did and it made him more comfy and it got him better sleep. So whatever.

• 13:57Kylie Kelce?

  I would not be surprised if this time around, he levels up and brings an air mattress. So, and just for good measure, I will share Jason's biggest tip to soon to be fathers. He is convinced that men pass out because when pushing starts to happen and birth amps up and the baby is on its way out, that you stand up and you get this rush of adrenaline. And a lot of times you've gone from sitting all day waiting to then jumping up and being in an excited situation.

• 14:37Kylie Kelce?

  And because of that, he thinks that you should eat a snack right before mom starts pushing. Because he's convinced that it's an issue with your blood sugar.

• 14:50Kylie Kelce?

  I giggle a little only because it sounds ridiculous, but it's like it, when you are in it, having gone through it three times,

• 14:59Kylie Kelce?

  it seems legit. I don't remember which birth it was, but I do remember looking over right as I'm like, I need the, like this is, I got like the shakes and I'm like, we're going. And he's like mid bite, getting ready to like, hold me for a crunch. So.

• 15:21Kylie Kelce?

  But he hasn't passed out, so take it, take the advice. Just have a little snicky snack before the slip and slide. And that does it for Doom Scroll of the Week. And now a message from me about Liquid Death. When I first heard about Liquid Death, I said, this brand is literally me and I meant it. Why? Because I think their commercials are hilarious. The fact that they don't give a flying fuck if I curse is also delightful. But I will tell you what, not being a drinker and going into spaces where people are drinking and being

• 15:58Kylie Kelce?

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• 16:41Kylie Kelce?

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• 17:11Speaker 07

  This is fun.

• 17:15Kylie Kelce?

  I have to start with a not gonna lie. I've even said it right here on the show, actually very recently. How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days is one of my favorite movies of all time, but absolutely my favorite rom com.

• 17:26Speaker 07

  Yay.

• 17:28Kylie Kelce?

  It is, I, we've even considered, this is a hot take, but we've even considered Andy as a name for our fourth girl because we have all, like, our first is Wyatt, our second is Elliot, our third is Bennett, and we were like, Andy would fit in there and it would be so cool.

• 17:47Speaker 07

  Andy would be so cute.

• 17:49Kylie Kelce?

  It's funny, I actually met someone at a pool and we were talking about girl names and they said that they named their daughter Anderson, as in Andy Anderson and call her Andy.

• 18:01Speaker 07

  That is the cutest. I love that.

• 18:05Kylie Kelce?

  I know.

• 18:05Speaker 07

  Anderson's a great name for.

• 18:07Kylie Kelce?

  It's so badass.

• 18:09Speaker 07

  But I, so Ronnie is really named after Ron, Ron, her grandfather. We spelt it R A N I, but I call her Ronald.

• 18:18Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 18:19Speaker 07

  I literally, and she answers to, I'm like, Ronald, and she's like, yes.

• 18:25Kylie Kelce?

  It's the best.

• 18:25Speaker 07

  It's the best.

• 18:26Kylie Kelce?

  But if, I'm just letting you know, if this one comes out, it's, it's on the list, it's in consideration. But to be fair, we have not come up with anything. How do you feel about people calling you the rom com queen?

• 18:38Speaker 07

  It's a mixed feeling because I, now that I'm older, I love it. I think, I think what happens when you sort of become, have a very successful rom com, it sort of becomes what people expect of you and want from you. And as an actor, you're sort of like, yeah, but I want to do a million different things. So you, I mean, and as Hollywood goes, they love to put you in a box. They love it.

• 19:08Speaker 07

  And so I think when you're younger, it's like you don't want to be pigeonholed into this idea that that's what you do. And the second you have success in a rom com as a woman, it's like they just want you in that, you know.

• 19:26Speaker 07

  So it's like you love it. And then at the same time, you're like, yeah, but I'm, I want to do other things. You know, I don't want to just do this all the time.

• 19:34Kylie Kelce?

  Don't put me in that box.

• 19:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, don't put baby in the corner.

• 19:37Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I just had Chelsea Handler on.

• 19:40Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 19:41Kylie Kelce?

  And she told me that your mom is one of her career influences and that she grew up wanting to be her daughter. Has she told you that personally?

• 19:52Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, she's a self-proclaimed sister. She's just is my sister. She's just, I'm your sister.

• 19:57Kylie Kelce?

  I don't think there's much arguing with her. So that makes sense. It's like she told me and that's what it is now.

• 20:02Speaker 07

  I love her so much. She's a wild one. And which is, which makes sense for our family because we all have a little wild hair up our hany.

• 20:12Kylie Kelce?

  There you go. So she would fit right in.

• 20:14Speaker 07

  And so she fits right in, yeah.

• 20:15Kylie Kelce?

  What was it like looking up to your mom growing up?

• 20:19Speaker 07

  I mean, like, and I think like anyone who loves their mom. You know, you're growing up, you don't really see anything. You don't see it like the out, like from the outside.

• 20:28Kylie Kelce?

  That actually leads me into, I would like to ask your input on, obviously, it's a completely different level, but we're in the process of raising soon to be four little girls. And with really dad mostly in a situation where like we'll be out and about and people will stop him and ask for a picture, mostly in the Philadelphia area. But since doing some other things and Monday Night Football and things like that, it's grown a little bit. Do you have any like advice or anything that your parents did or anything that you currently do with your own kids that you find is like super important in not necessarily?

• 21:10Kylie Kelce?

  Like insulating them, but in a sense, protecting them.

• 21:14Speaker 07

  There's two ways to go, you know, if you're someone who's like really wants to keep things private, private, you know, I think you just make that very clear to whoever it is, whether it be press, or whether it be you taking a picture with a fan, it's like when you're with your kids, it's just I'm with my kids and I really don't do that when I'm with my kids. I mean, that's kind of what I grew up with. When we would go out to dinner and stuff, that was just my parents' thing, it's like, this is about, you know, sometimes you need to have some boundary because you really need to show your kids that you're attentive to them and that all of the incoming attention doesn't, isn't, isn't really real, in a sense.

• 21:58Speaker 07

  And what I mean by that is that it doesn't feed, it didn't feed them. We fed them more, meaning that connection. So sometimes they would like put a boundary down with people. Then there's the other side, which is it can become exhausting trying to protect your children all the time. Meaning like, you know, at some point, there might be a moment where you just go, you know, this is what our life is and you explain it to them in a way so that they understand that getting validated by other people isn't gonna bring you joy, but that this is just a part of what happens when you do something that people recognize.

• 22:37Speaker 07

  Like, so I think that's kind of what I do and then, you know, as they get older, they kind of define what they, what their boundaries are, you know, like my-

• 22:49Kylie Kelce?

  And did your, did your mom ever explain it to you? Do you remember?

• 22:53Speaker 07

  Uh, well, my parents were really good, like we, they, when we were younger, we moved to Colorado, um, and it was a much less kind of-

• 23:04Kylie Kelce?

  Chaotic.

• 23:05Speaker 07

  Yeah, or front face, like frontward facing world like LA or New York. But we also traveled a lot with them. Our parents were really good at just being like really kind, but like just always about our family unit. You know, I never felt like I was on display for my family. It was like, this is just what we do. And then none of this really means anything to us if our unit's not strong.

• 23:32Kylie Kelce?

  Right. Is there anything that you thought was completely like normal growing up? And then like, once you got older, you were like, oh shit, that was not.

• 23:41Speaker 07

  No, because I had the kind of parents that were very clear about how not normal and a lot of it was. They were so clear about how privileged our certain experiences were with us. I think that's like the most important thing, you know? It's like, you can see it when your kids start to feel, feel a little like, you know, that they're feeling a little different.

• 24:05Kylie Kelce?

  Bougie.

• 24:05Speaker 07

  Right, yeah. And our family, we're really good at just knocking that right out. It's like, no.

• 24:14Kylie Kelce?

  My, my husband is, I mean, we both grew up in like a very different situation than we're currently in. And we're both trying to mirror that, like what we had without like stifling.

• 24:25Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 24:25Kylie Kelce?

  And it's, it's funny because my husband, every so often, he'll be like, no, no, that's dad's. I'm like, yeah, it is dad's.

• 24:33Speaker 07

  I earned that.

• 24:34Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 24:34Speaker 07

  When you, when you, you know, these are things that you earn. Yeah, I really think also just volunteer work with kids is like one of the most important things. And I don't care how much money you have, but like kids recognizing that there's, you know, like helping other kids. That to me is the thing that keeps everybody grounded and grateful is like, you know, when you live in certain places in the world, you just have a very different, different life experience. And it's important to not shelter it too much, to be like. This is different than how a lot of people in the world live.

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• 25:42Kylie Kelce?

  I'd love to circle back to your acting career. One of your earliest movie roles was one that you've already mentioned, which was Penny Lane in Almost Famous. What was it like to achieve that kind of success so early?

• 25:54Speaker 07

  I mean, amazing. I mean, to be 19 years old and read a script that had a character like Penny Lane was like, you know, incredible. And that didn't come around very often at that age, you know? At the same time, I was playing a different part. So I was cast as the sister in Almost Famous. And then asked when the Penny, when the girl who was playing Penny Lane fell out, I asked Cameron if I could audition for Penny Lane. And then he, and then he allowed me to audition. I'd auditioned like a thousand times. And, but when you read a character like that, that young, it's like there's just not that many roles like that.

• 26:38Speaker 07

  So the fact that I was able to, to, to do that was, you know, such a gift.

• 26:47Kylie Kelce?

  You won a Golden Globe for Almost Famous in 2001. And I just saw the clip where you were interviewed by Beyonce on the red carpet.

• 26:55Speaker 07

  You saw that? Oh my God. I remember it so well because I'll never forget it because they were doing MTV and Beyonce was on, on the carpet.

• 27:07Speaker 07

  And Andre 3000 was like up in a hotel suite. And I was such a big fan of Destiny's Child and OutKast. And then when I saw Beyonce, I remember looking at her and being like, oh my gosh, she's so beautiful. That's all I could think was like, wow. And Chris, my ex-husband, like loved, like, like loved her, you know? And I was like, oh my, and we were both like, hey. And she's interviewing me and now I look back, I'm like, it's so crazy. I've been lucky enough to have moments with her throughout our career. You know, we're around the same age and came up together, you know?

• 27:47Kylie Kelce?

  An iconic duo, the two of you coming up around the same time and just, I'm serious, like owning your own, like, like you guys have both just absolutely dominated.

• 27:57Speaker 07

  Well, but she's Beyonce, you know, I mean, like she, you can't even like.

• 28:00Kylie Kelce?

  Kate Hudson.

• 28:03Speaker 07

  But it's different, like, you know, I look at, I look at her and I just, you know, you see, you, you know, I've, I've seen the evolution in real time, you know?

• 28:14Kylie Kelce?

  How does it feel that there are people who would have that same, like, deep appreciation? And sort of awe in their voice when they describe you?

• 28:25Speaker 07

  I don't, I, I don't feel it.

• 28:27Kylie Kelce?

  It doesn't.

• 28:28Speaker 07

  It does not register.

• 28:29Kylie Kelce?

  Unfathomable.

• 28:29Speaker 07

  No, it's like, to me, that just doesn't make any sense. Like, I don't, that's not, it's almost like I block it out or something. I don't know.

• 28:35Kylie Kelce?

  She seems lovely.

• 28:37Speaker 07

  She's really wonderful and she's kind and really caring, you know?

• 28:43Kylie Kelce?

  So the type of person that you can get excited has had the level of success.

• 28:47Speaker 07

  Oh, my God. Yes. And she's worked so hard. She works so hard. As you know, with Taylor, like, this doesn't just come. It comes with real attention to detail and care and real hard work.

• 29:05Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, the drive is.

• 29:06Speaker 07

  Found hard work.

• 29:07Kylie Kelce?

  Incredible.

• 29:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's amazing to, to, to know, you know, to see.

• 29:12Kylie Kelce?

  To be able to witness it all is very cool.

• 29:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 29:16Kylie Kelce?

  Have your kids seen any of your movies?

• 29:18Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 29:19Kylie Kelce?

  And, and what's the feedback on that?

• 29:22Speaker 07

  I mean, you know what's so fun is that they love the show. Like, my kids binged the show in one day, the running point. It's like, you know, which actually makes me really happy because they're boys. They're like teenage. I've got an adult boy, man, and a teenage boy. And they're into it. So, I mean, that's all I can ask for as a, like, that's the, that's the validation I really needed. Was that they liked it.

• 29:52Kylie Kelce?

  Well, I mean, it's, they're clearly up with the times that we are, I feel like we're very much, and I've spoken about it a number of times on the podcast, we're very much in a generational shift of appreciating and understanding not only women participating in sports, but women being within the sports world.

• 30:13Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 30:13Kylie Kelce?

  And embracing it in a way where we're like, yeah, she is a boss has bitch.

• 30:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, and also, like, women, there is a place for them in men's sports. Like, in what, whether it be in coaching staff or executive in the, in the front office and things like.

• 30:29Kylie Kelce?

  Yep.

• 30:30Speaker 07

  You know, I mean, as someone who grew up loving sports, it's like, playing it, yes, and women's sports, yes, but like, I love, I love sports. I love baseball and football, basketball. But, you know, and I know so many women who are like, like an encyclopedia of sports.

• 30:54Kylie Kelce?

  The same thing with the coach for, in the NHL now, the first female coach in the NHL.

• 31:00Speaker 07

  Oh, God, yes.

• 31:01Kylie Kelce?

  And to see, honestly, the thing that gets me choked up about that coach is that you have these little girls now going to her games and putting up these signs that are like, I'm gonna be you one day.

• 31:13Speaker 07

  I can't even stand it.

• 31:15Kylie Kelce?

  You could be.

• 31:16Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 31:16Kylie Kelce?

  And, and, and.

• 31:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, it really is like for, I think for girls who really love sports, it is one of those things where you just go, there's a real, like, there's a, and a place, place for it, and it can create a great balance in, in, on a coaching staff, you know?

• 31:37Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 31:38Speaker 07

  A necessary one.

• 31:40Kylie Kelce?

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• 32:23Kylie Kelce?

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• 32:57Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 32:59Kylie Kelce?

  For the fans who haven't seen it yet, it is hilarious. You play the president of an LA basketball team loosely based on the life of the Lakers president, Jeanie Buss. And you've said you're a sports fan yourself. Who are your teams that you've rooted for?

• 33:17Speaker 07

  In life?

• 33:18Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 33:18Speaker 07

  I grew up, I grew up in, like, Elway, Colorado. So when we moved to Colorado, we didn't have an LA football team. The Raiders had already, like, moved to Oakland when I was little. So we were big Broncos fans. So through and through Bronco, all of us. And then LA was always the Lakers. So we were always big Laker fans. And...

• 33:46Speaker 07

  Dodger fans, big Dodger fans, our whole family, huge Dodger fans. Although my dad and I are more Yankee fans. But that's sort of through, his godfather was Lefty Gomez, who was a Yankee. And I ended up dating a Yankee and then did a whole World Series run. So I got really tight with the Yankees. Everybody, like from, you know, the owners to the team, you know, the hall of staff and everybody at Yankee Stadium. And so I just have like such a love for the Yankees organization.

• 34:24Kylie Kelce?

  I did see that you got to bring your daughter to set.

• 34:27Speaker 07

  I did, yeah. No, I try to bring my kids. My boys just get bored, you know. Yanni really loves it. She loves watching it. She loves sitting in front. She has a lot of notes. Like she'll, she has a lot to say about the things that I'm doing. She'll ask a lot of questions like, well, why did you do that? Like, why did you go to the desk? Why did you, why did you pick that up? Well, because I have to pick up things. She's like, well, yeah, but like, but that doesn't make sense. Because if you're going to go out of the room, why wouldn't you just leave that in the room? And I'm like, okay, this is getting a little intense.

• 35:00Kylie Kelce?

  She's like, here are my notes.

• 35:01Speaker 07

  She's like, watching everything. There was one joke she didn't think was funny. I was like, did you think that was funny? She was like, no. I was like, oh, okay. It's very, very honest.

• 35:13Kylie Kelce?

  I think it is such a cool opportunity, not only for you to bring her to set, but for you to be in a role like this, showing a powerful woman in sports. And that she gets to be like, yeah, that's my, that's my mom.

• 35:27Speaker 07

  I know, it's so fun.

• 35:28Kylie Kelce?

  That's so badass. We've obviously talked about motherhood a lot today. And I ask most of my guests, what is the best piece of motherhood advice that you've ever gotten?

• 35:39Speaker 07

  I interviewed this Dr. Shafali. She wrote a book. It's called The Conscious Parent. And...

• 35:47Speaker 07

  Dr. Shafali is a brilliant therapist. But actually Oprah was the person who said, "You have to read this book." I did this thing with Oprah right before COVID. And she was like, "Have you ever read this book now?" She's like, "You have to read it." And I read it, of course, because Oprah, I read it immediately. And it was a game changer. And then I called her to come on our podcast. And the thing that really stood out to me is that we really do, our traumas or our childhood, our own traumas come out while raising our kids.

• 36:31Speaker 07

  Our kids are actually our great healers and our great teachers. And if we allow, it doesn't mean that you don't have boundaries. It doesn't mean that you don't have, you know, certain rules. It doesn't mean that you don't, you know, have a good authority and structure for your kids so that creates a safe environment for them. But what it does mean is that you're aware that the things that come up for you are things that you need to be as conscious of as how you're raising your kids. Right? So like, a good example would be the other day, Bing and I, he's in that teenage phase.

• 37:12Speaker 07

  We had that headbutt moment of, "I want him to do something. He refuses to do it." And in that moment, I got triggered. Not, it wasn't about him. It was about my own inability to resolve or walk away from the moment that was happening. And instead, I became combative with my 13-year-old, which is like, what are, I mean, that doesn't go- Where's that gonna get us? Where's that gonna go, right? But it happens all the time as a parent, you know, with so many parents.

• 37:49Kylie Kelce?

  I do it sometimes with my five year old.

• 37:51Speaker 07

  Right, yeah, and when you walk away, when you walk away from it, you can recognize where you sort of might have created more of a problem than you did a lesson.

• 38:03Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:04Speaker 07

  And the importance of being able to tell your kids that you could do better. I could have handled that situation better. Actually models much more for them than being stubborn and saying, no, I can't, I can't admit that I was wrong. And I, and I think that's the biggest lesson for me. And now that I feel like a veteran mother, I've been like doing it for 21 years. It's like to admit you're, you're gonna make mistakes. You're gonna be wrong and you're, and to share your imperfections with your kids in moments without, to be able to say to your kids, you know, I could have handled that better and I'm sorry.

• 38:46Speaker 07

  Because you don't deserve me to get that angry at you right now.

• 38:50Kylie Kelce?

  I have found that like an apology of like, you know what, mom's really sorry. I should not have raised my voice.

• 38:58Speaker 07

  That's right.

• 38:58Kylie Kelce?

  There was no reason to raise my voice. I think that if I, that like we can open up our listening ears and mom can not use her serious voice.

• 39:05Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 39:06Kylie Kelce?

  Like it's like, it's like that, like you don't, you don't always have to be the one that's like, just because you're an adult and they're a kid.

• 39:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, you're teaching.

• 39:15Kylie Kelce?

  We all have faults.

• 39:16Speaker 07

  And you're teaching your kids conflict resolution.

• 39:19Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:19Speaker 07

  Sometimes in conflict, you go too far and you need to say you're sorry.

• 39:24Kylie Kelce?

  Yep.

• 39:25Speaker 07

  Instead of teaching them that, that, you know, you, you, you know, double down.

• 39:30Kylie Kelce?

  Right.

• 39:31Speaker 07

  And, and what you find in going to your kids and saying, I could have handled this better, or I made a mistake, or I'm sorry, I didn't trust you, whatever the scenario is, you get, that connection becomes stronger.

• 39:46Speaker 07

  And it and and I think that's sort of has been the biggest lesson for me is knowing when to do that. Parenting is is hard.

• 39:59Kylie Kelce?

  It's a crap shoot is what.

• 40:00Speaker 07

  Yeah, and it's hard. And like, you are gonna mess your kids up. Like, I feel like, no matter what you do and how you try to do it, that, you know, it's like, you're gonna do it wrong. You're gonna make mistakes. Like, you're gonna fuck your kids up in some way at some point. You're gonna do something that's gonna feel traumatizing to them that you didn't realize felt traumatizing to them.

• 40:22Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 40:22Speaker 07

  And this is coming from like, the most loving parents, right? Like, even in the most loving, like, connective, healthy, attached parental situation, you're still gonna mess up.

• 40:37Kylie Kelce?

  One more question.

• 40:38Speaker 07

  Okay.

• 40:38Kylie Kelce?

  Because it's another question that I absolutely love asking moms on the podcast. I've shared a number of humbling things my daughters have told me over the years. And being 21 years into parenthood, I feel like there must be at least one thing that stands out that your child has said to you where you've been like, well, there it is. Is there anything that comes to mind when you think about a humbling child moment?

• 41:00Speaker 07

  It's like, all the time. I mean, I I'm like, trying to think of ones that are actually like, funny, that like, we don't hear all the time, like, that moms hear, you know. It's more with singing, you know, it's but but.

• 41:14Kylie Kelce?

  Cringe.

• 41:16Speaker 07

  I mean, I get like, all of it. I've gotten like, that's so cringe, like, mom, when you do, when you do, like, you know.

• 41:24Kylie Kelce?

  Cringe.

• 41:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, like, don't wear that, you know, whatever it is, like, something I'm wearing.

• 41:31Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, they hit you with that.

• 41:32Speaker 07

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like, something I'm wearing, or something I, certain posts that I that I.

• 41:37Kylie Kelce?

  Your caption is so cringe.

• 41:39Speaker 07

  Yeah. Or or like, or even like, just like, the fact that I Instagram is something that I do. It's like, Gen Z, for some reason, they're like, oh, like, there's a picture of like, the floor with like, a plant, like, right, right? And you're, and they post it. And like, a foot.

• 41:57Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 41:58Speaker 07

  And you're like, I don't know what that is. Like, I don't know what I'm like, I call them like the fuzzies. And like all the fuzzy pictures of like kids like on a thing, but like you can't see anybody's face.

• 42:09Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 42:10Speaker 07

  And I'm like, I get it.

• 42:10Kylie Kelce?

  It's very cool to post that apparently.

• 42:12Speaker 07

  I get that like it doesn't matter what it is. It just doesn't matter. It's nothing.

• 42:20Kylie Kelce?

  It is funny to hear the, to hear the degree of teenage and like older humbling experiences. Because we're very much in the phase of like, I'll put my hair in a bun and my oldest will be like, I don't like that.

• 42:34Speaker 07

  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 42:35Kylie Kelce?

  It looks bad.

• 42:36Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:36Kylie Kelce?

  And I'm like, I think there's a nicer way to say, Mom, can you wear a ponytail?

• 42:41Speaker 07

  Yeah. I mean, I have all like, it's always, I think also as a mom, they're just very much clued into the things that you're doing. Like, you know, is that what you're wearing? So like, if it's a little see-through or very see-through with, with me. Like, it could be very see-through and they're like, no, Mom, that's gross. Like, what are you doing? You know, or, or it could be like, I'm wearing a, a dark lip and whatever. It's just like, there's a lot of focus.

• 43:10Kylie Kelce?

  Sure. Because you know that at that age, we are actually as mothers, we were put on this earth to embarrass them.

• 43:18Speaker 07

  Basically.

• 43:18Kylie Kelce?

  They believe that.

• 43:19Speaker 07

  So.

• 43:20Kylie Kelce?

  Truly deeply in their hearts.

• 43:22Speaker 07

  So it has turned out to be. Ronnie is different. Ronnie and I are like Velcro.

• 43:29Speaker 07

  It's just dif- totally different.

• 43:30Kylie Kelce?

  I think it's such a nice dynamic that you got a girl on your third and that there's that age gap. Like, it just feels like you got like, almost like a little built-in best friend.

• 43:39Speaker 07

  Oh, it's just crazy.

• 43:40Kylie Kelce?

  Like, but I'm biased because I don't know what boys are.

• 43:43Speaker 07

  Boys are so fun. Boys are so fun, but it's.

• 43:47Kylie Kelce?

  We weren't, we weren't meant to have.

• 43:49Speaker 07

  Well, you might not be done yet. You know, I don't know. It looks like.

• 43:55Kylie Kelce?

  Who knows, honestly?

• 43:56Speaker 07

  Honestly. Sounds to me like you guys are gonna keep having babies.

• 43:59Kylie Kelce?

  You never, there might be a pleasant surprise in there.

• 44:02Speaker 07

  You're gonna end up with like twin boys. That would be horrific.

• 44:07Kylie Kelce?

  Or awesome. Because I'm already, because I'm already transitioning to a minivan. I would have to have like a full frickin' 12 passengers.

• 44:13Speaker 07

  You're gonna have a Sprinter van.

• 44:16Kylie Kelce?

  It's so bad.

• 44:17Speaker 07

  I love it, though. I could have, I could have so many kids, you know? I mean, I even think about it right now. I'm like, am I totally done? But because I just can't imagine being done. And then, yeah, it's a weird thing to think like, oh, no, I'm done having kids when you love having kids.

• 44:35Kylie Kelce?

  I do, I don't love being pregnant, but I always call it like a means to an end. And I so enjoy like that squishy kid phase. I love learning them and like getting to know them as they're growing up. And getting to see our five-year-old from our two-year-old right now is like, oh, I'm like, I, I, I miss when you were like this age, but I'm having so much fun learning you at this age.

• 44:57Speaker 07

  I know. And it does gets better. If you're, and if you're like a really, if you love it, like it really does get better. It gets a little scarier, you know, when you start to watch them, when you start to have to let them go.

• 45:14Kylie Kelce?

  Like be their own.

• 45:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, because you want them to love themselves and then you want them to make good decisions out in the world, you know? So you get a little bit of that, oh, man, I just hope they are good, you know?

• 45:29Kylie Kelce?

  I cannot thank you enough for chatting today.

• 45:31Speaker 07

  It was so fun. It was so nice to meet you.

• 45:33Kylie Kelce?

  It was so nice to meet you, too. I hope that everyone flocks to Netflix and checks out Running Point. It is so funny and so excited for you and the series. And thank you again for joining me today and.

• 45:49Speaker 07

  I'm sure I'll see you down the road.

• 45:51Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, I can't wait. Thank you so much again to Kate Hudson for joining me today. Make sure you watch her in Running Point on Netflix streaming now. You can find even more clips from our conversation on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. And that's a wrap on another episode of Not Gonna Lie. I'll be back next Thursday with a brand new episode. Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Follow the show on all social media at NGL with Kylie. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original brought to you by Liquid Death. Thanks again for tuning in.

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