Fraud Friday: The Queen Sheep Herder of New Zealand w/ Lady Bunny & Monét X Change

In this week's Fraud Friday, Laci is joined by Lady Bunny and Monét X Change (Wigstock, RuPaul's Drag Race) to discuss Amy Bock, a 20th-century con woman who famously disguised herself as a wealthy sheep farmer, convincing another woman to marry her. Plus, Goldman Sachs and Ozy Media try to work out their business relationship after someone impersonated an executive during a conference call. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 05/23/2022) CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess: Lessons from a Life of Cons, Grifts and Schemes book? Look no more, nab your copy here on PODSWAG Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Monét X Change: @monetxchange Lady Bunny: @official_lady_bunny Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/26/business/media/ozy-media-goldman-sachs.html https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/2b30/bock-amy-maud https://www.nzmuseums.co.nz/collections/3021/objects/39269/photograph-albion-house-mrs-ottaways-boarding-house-kaka-point https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magdalene_asylum https://alchetron.com/Amy-Bock#amy-bock-5027d02e-edbc-447f-81b2-719f6b82d9c-resize-750.jpeg https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/digital/carlos-watson-ozy-media-stays-open-1235024859/

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• 2:01Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:43Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, and we're back for another installment of Scam Goddess. And I'm especially proud and very what? Yes, excited. Don't y'all love our parasocial relationship? It's like we are real friends in real life, cuz we is, y'all. We is. Now, I scammed a little bit to get these two on the show. I ran into them at a function. Oh, I actually ran into one of them at a function, and I was like, "Oh, you got it to my podcast." And, you know, it finally worked out. My people hit his people and chased him down and hunted him like Liam Neeson in Taken, did a lot of neck chopping, and now we're here. Today, we have two legendary drag queens on the show.

• 3:27Laci Mosley?

  One is an iconic comedian, recording artist, DJ, and former roommate of RuPaul. You know, the other is a guest and a winner. I had to put some pause in there. And a winner of RuPaul's Drag Race. Y'all know All-Star Season 4. Y'all know how hard that is, okay? Along with Trinity Tuck, and will be competing in Drag Race All-Star Season 7. Y'all know we love Drag Race All-Stars. That's on Paramount Plus. That's where iCarly lives. Y'all get into my streaming platforms. Together, they host the hilarious podcasts Ebony and Ivory on Starburns Audio. Get into it. Congregation, please welcome Lady Bunny and Monet Exchange to the show. Hey.

• 4:09Speaker 03

  Hey, Lacey.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, how you doin', girl?

• 4:14Laci Mosley?

  Yes, girls. Okay, I'mma be honest. We been in the studio for forty-five to fifty minutes. And trying to, like, we had the new studio. We trying to get everything hooked up, the wires. We plugging in the, you know, the modem and whatnot. And we did it. And thank you guys.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  We were trying to scam you out of your own podcast. But Buddy and I sent a mark. So you think that one of the people working for you? No, baby, that is a symbiote that we sent to pretend like they were helping you to scam me out of your own podcast. So you're welcome.

• 4:44Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 4:45Speaker 04

  And that forty-five minutes of you cursing at us and everybody else?

• 4:50Laci Mosley?

  I ain't cursing to you, lady bunny.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  That, we were actually recording that for our own podcast.

• 4:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:56Speaker 04

  So we got forty-five minutes. It's gonna be like a two-part. Then yours is gonna start. But you already scammed us when we're on here. Because you said our podcast was ebony and ivory. It's irony.

• 5:06Laci Mosley?

  Ebony and irony, wait. Can I not read? Or did, no, you know what? It's a typo in here. It's ebony and irony. Wow, wow, I'm being sabotaged.

• 5:23Laci Mosley?

  Because mine says ivory, which made sense. Because one of y'all is white and the other one is black. So that made sense to me. But that's a fun play. Ebony and ivory.

• 5:32Speaker 03

  Lady, um, lady bunny thinks she black because she got, she done had a whole lot of black dick in the village in her. But she's not.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  Um, excuse me.

• 5:41Laci Mosley?

  Ebony, listen, lady, lady bunny's an ally. She's an ally in the booty.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  Excuse me, excuse me. Do not limit the amount of black dick or any other kind of dick that I got to the village, honey. Because I've gotten it all over the world.

• 5:58Speaker 04

  I'm an international slut. I'm an international slut, honey.

• 6:01Laci Mosley?

  Don't limit it to just the village. You're like, I've had ebony dick in Ghana. I've had ebony dick in Jamaica.

• 6:09Speaker 04

  Honey, I used to live, I used to live in Ghana for one year when I was, uh, when I was eleven years old. But that was a little too early for me to be getting dick. I did. I lived in Cape Coast in Ghana, West Africa.

• 6:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, y'all don't cancel me after this episode because I can just tell these two queens about to be wildin', okay? I got endorsements to protect. Lord, Jesus. I'll stay in my good hands. I'm just playing, they dropped me. That used to be my insurance provider. I got in too many accidents. Thank God that didn't happen when I was like relatively famous because they could have come after me for my coins. I was like, I'm poor. It was right before the pandemic. That's the best time to get into a four car or pileup.

• 6:50Speaker 03

  Was this in LA? People in LA, let me tell you something. I learned how to drive in New Jersey. Okay, I'm from New York. I went to college in Jersey. I learned how to drive in Jersey.

• 6:56Laci Mosley?

  So you've never pumped your own gas, Monet?

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, now that, now that I'm living in LA, I have, which, let me tell you this, which is honestly just the peasant life. I can't believe I have to pump my own gas. But no, but people in you, in LA, like, it's like, they don't, they had to have not comprehended the, the art of driving. When it rains, people acting like it's acid outside. They're driving at like 20 miles an hour on the fucking 101.

• 7:21Laci Mosley?

  Well, it never rains here, Monet. It never rains here. And if you took driver's school like I did, I never took a driver's test, which now I feel like was a scam because I never took a driver's test. They just gave me my license. I came in with my paperwork and, and the driver instructor was like, you need more practice. And I was like, well, I'm not gonna get it. My parents busy. And just winning out my license. But like, the first day that it rains is the most dangerous because the roads are slick and it never rains in Southern California. So it never rains. The girls are driving slow because it may be cold on the East Coast, but over here, we getting in pileups.

• 8:00Speaker 04

  Now, now, Lacey, would you compare your driving skills with your podcast recording skills?

• 8:10Laci Mosley?

  Don't do that, Lady Money. Don't do that, okay? There's many factors at hand. You will not disrespect my team, okay? Judith and Marina and Kayla, they work very hard. These are all women of color. Lady Money, that's how you want to go out? Talk about women of color?

• 8:24Speaker 04

  I would never, I would never disrespect them. I was disrespecting you.

• 8:31Laci Mosley?

  Fair, fair, you can always disrespect me, I will welcome that. But I have to ask you both, and either of you can chime in first, if you, if you know, what is your relationship with scams? Like, have you ever been scammed? Do you like scams? Do you hate them? I know I scam Monet, and subsequently you, Lady Bunny, into being on the show, because I met Monet at We Are Here, where Monet gave the most amazing performance, and was like, beat the fuck down, looked good as hell. And I was like, can you come on my, can you come on my pocket? Like, can you, um, I swear it's legit.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  Wait, Monet looked good? Are you sure that was the season two premiere, not one?

• 9:09Laci Mosley?

  Don't do that, don't do that. Monet was in yellow.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  How many seasons did they have?

• 9:15Laci Mosley?

  Looks like a fucking sunflower, and we all know black people are sunflowers.

• 9:19Speaker 03

  Thank you, thank you, thank you. So, my relationship to scamming, I have to tell you, so like I said, I'm from New York City, and full tea, like in my early twenties, and let's be honest, late teens, I dated a lot of scamming ass niggas. And you know, I'm not ashamed to say it, it was a part of my life. I luxuriated in the scamation of it all. I reaped the benefits.

• 9:41Laci Mosley?

  Luxuriated in the scamation, yes.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  I reaped the benefits of said scamming at some points, and some, and sometimes I was scared of the scamming that was taking place. So, I don't know about laws and statutes of limitations, I'm not gonna say no names, but I definitely was reaping the benefits of dating a scamming dude in the past.

• 10:04Laci Mosley?

  Now, how did you know you were dating a scamming dude? Because I dated some scamming dudes. I dated a dude who had a magnesis card, which if you don't know what that is, it's the Billy McFarland who created the whole Fire Fest thing with Ja Rule. What did you do about my baby?

• 10:20Speaker 03

  Not the Fire Festival card.

• 10:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so who was hoodwinked and led astray, allegedly. But they had a card, he had created a card where he put like magnetism on the back, and he made it heavy like a black card, and he sold it to millennials, and was like, y'all gonna get points back and go get to see Rick Ross up close, and like, he gonna be like, ugh, and you gonna feel the sweat on your face. Like, it was like that. So, I knew he was scamming because of that. How did you know that this dude who allegedly exists, or allegedly doesn't, how did you know that he was scamming?

• 10:49Speaker 03

  Well, he did not have a job. He never went to work and he had all the freshest clothes. Like every time a new pair of Jordans came out, he was, he was copping a new pair of Jordans. And he was always going to, he was, and how, okay, how we met was on Grindr.

• 11:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 11:05Speaker 03

  How we met was on Grindr. And he is like, hey, it was one of those, and any, any gay man out there, you, you, you know this message. Like, hey.

• 11:11Laci Mosley?

  Good Christian gays on Grindr.

• 11:14Speaker 03

  Do you wanna, do you wanna get $5,000 like in the next hour or so? And then I was like, you know, Young B, I was like, sure. And then I did not fall, like, after like three or four messages back and forth, I did not fall for it. But me and him ended up hooking up and I knew he was doing this to other people.

• 11:29Laci Mosley?

  So you scammed him. He hit you up and was like, I have, I just received inheritance. Send me the taxes and fees and you were like, send me that dick and balls. And then that's the love began.

• 11:40Speaker 03

  Exactly. That's when the love began. So, I mean, I never helped with his scamming. I just want to make that very clear. But I knew that he was scamming on the side. And you know, the dick was good and, you know, it was great.

• 11:51Laci Mosley?

  Yo, honor, I had never knew about his scams.

• 11:57Speaker 03

  I just know what the holy power of his, right. I just know what the holy power of his horse skin, honey.

• 12:01Laci Mosley?

  Exhibit A and B, dick, balls. Exhibit C, abs. Like, you were like, I'm not involved. I love that. You were Bennett. You weren't in it. You were Wes. You weren't in the mess. Okay?

• 12:12Speaker 03

  Exactly. Exactly. You know.

• 12:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Love that. Love that. Lady buddy, I know that you've had some experience with scams. Cause you just give the energy of someone who has done crime or been adjacent to crime or in the cul-de-sac of crime.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  I'll have you know that I am completely legit and on the level.

• 12:32Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but have you experienced? Okay, see? Okay.

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, I will tell you about one of the, my favorite scams that happened, I think it was in the 90s. So I don't know if y'all remember Shirley Murdoch who sang As We Lay.

• 12:49Laci Mosley?

  I do remember the song, yes.

• 12:51Speaker 04

  Okay, so she was a singer. That was probably her biggest hit, but she also recorded with this. Yes, but that was like a solo hit. So.

• 13:01Speaker 03

  I'm too young for that. I don't, I don't know that kind of music. I'm too.

• 13:04Speaker 04

  Okay, well, y'all can talk about Beyonce.

• 13:06Laci Mosley?

  It's called cultured. It's called cultured. Cause I'm also very young, but um, it's called cultured.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  You talk about Beyonce, I'll talk about Shirley Murdoch. Anyway, this drag queen started impersonating her. Now, this was before cell phone FaceTime verification and whatnot. This was, and so he started impersonating her, showing up at events and being escorted around by security. And I mean, I, there are pictures. I mean, he looked like a real, you know, woman. He looked a bit like Shirley. But we, we couldn't, at that point, you couldn't Google.

• 13:38Laci Mosley?

  I'm showing my age.

• 13:39Speaker 04

  Yes, she is.

• 13:40Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so see, that's the superpower of being black and doing scams because people, you know, that's where you can tap into the power of racism. And nobody knows what your face looked like. I had a fake ID of a girl who didn't look nothing like me. And I would flare my nostrils and they would just let me into club.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  Oh, my goodness.

• 13:56Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so, so I get how this scam works. So she, so this drag queen was impersonating Shirley.

• 14:01Speaker 04

  She, and then she would get free hotel rooms and just show up. And the thing that was, she appeared on a, on a national talk show like Geraldo or one of those back then. And the thing that gagged me is that even at her height, when, when, when As We Lay was, was, had, was on the charts, Shirley Murdoch was, that was a brilliant singer, but she was never that big of a deal to where she would be getting free hotel rooms anyway. So this was an A-list scammer, cause he was able to pretend to be Shirley Murdoch and then, and, and.

• 14:35Laci Mosley?

  Now, you acting like Lady Boni, you acting like Shirley could have been As We Land everywhere. Like, she could be everywhere at once. So they were like, it's, it's Tuesday night a, a, at the Applebee's a, a, and Shirley's here. We, we go take it.

• 14:48Speaker 04

  But no, no, I, I, I don't think that this drag queen ever, uh, performed as Shirley.

• 14:55Laci Mosley?

  She just came in and said, "I'm Shirley," and they were like, "Okay."

• 14:58Speaker 04

  I mean, Shirley's a singer. How you gonna pop out there and lip sync? Oh, I'm, I'm allergies tonight.

• 15:03Laci Mosley?

  I mean, singers lip sync all the time. Let's not act like the girls haven't gotten lazy. They're not on the treadmill like Beyonce was, singing and running, you know?

• 15:10Speaker 04

  Not Shirley.

• 15:11Laci Mosley?

  They're not do- they can't do what they used to.

• 15:13Speaker 03

  You leave Trixie Mattel out of this, okay? It's not her fault she doesn't have a lot of talent.

• 15:16Laci Mosley?

  Nah, I know Trixie, and she is a friend of the show. Now, don't-

• 15:20Speaker 04

  That doesn't mean she has talent.

• 15:21Laci Mosley?

  I love Trixie's cosmetics, and shout out to Trixie, cuz she got a new hairline, and Trixie is bald. And I said, "If this ain't a bald man telling bitches how to grow hair," I was like, "You better go ahead, Trixie. You better go ahead."

• 15:34Speaker 04

  That's a scam.

• 15:35Laci Mosley?

  I mean, but it's not, though, cuz Trixie makeup is good as hell, so she, she be sending me the products. Look, I stan Trixie. I do.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  Well, you just said, you just said she was bald and selling hair products.

• 15:45Laci Mosley?

  She is, and she will appreciate that. Leave that in, donate that out, Marina. Uh, did y'all see, just a, a quick pullover? Were y'all, did y'all go to DragCon?

• 15:56Speaker 03

  Uh, well, I, I went for like, a little bit on the first day.

• 16:00Laci Mosley?

  Did you see the messiness on Twitter where, uh, Gio?

• 16:03Speaker 03

  Uh, Gia Gunn.

• 16:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Gia Gunn was telling everybody that nobody had any beauty.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  Gia, she, she was like, she was like, "There was, there was zero glamour this year at DragCon."

• 16:11Laci Mosley?

  Zero beauty.

• 16:13Speaker 03

  Gia, Gia Gunn is so good at the internet, and she knows how to make people, how to get people up in arms.

• 16:19Laci Mosley?

  Get 'em going. Gets the people going.

• 16:21Speaker 03

  Oh, she knows how to get people upset. I fucking live for it. It's so, so much drama. I love it.

• 16:26Laci Mosley?

  It was so fun. I mean, what is DragCon without some drama? You know, what is it? Without a tussle. The girls like the tussle.

• 16:33Speaker 04

  Maybe, maybe her lash was so wonky again that she didn't see right.

• 16:38Laci Mosley?

  Y'all not bringing me into this. I am, I am Sweden when it comes to the drag queens. I'm Sweden.

• 16:45Speaker 04

  No, if she, if she didn't, if she wanted to see some beauty, she should've spent more time outside Monet's booth.

• 16:52Speaker 03

  I wasn't there, I didn't have a booth.

• 16:54Laci Mosley?

  Monet does give beauty, though. Monet gives beauty.

• 16:56Speaker 03

  Thank y'all.

• 16:57Laci Mosley?

  Always. But also, Gia gives beauty, too. So I was like, you know what, Gia? You go ahead and you let the girls know that you give beauty, and you were the only one, apparently, according to you. And I love that for you.

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• 19:13Laci Mosley?

  Y'all, let's get into it. Our first segment is called What's Hot and Fraud. This is where we warn our listeners about popping scams and the zeitgeist. And as always, guys, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Just make sure your scam is retired because we don't want a what? Yes, fuck up your bag. Amen. So Lady Bunny, Monet, I need a fake name for this person. We do not care about gender on this show, so run it up.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  Um, Kelsey.

• 19:43Laci Mosley?

  Kelsey. Oh, I haven't had a Kelsey. Love a Kelsey. Bring Kelsey back. I feel like people aren't naming their kids Kelsey anymore. I know Karen's gonna definitely be on the downfall. But also Karen and Linda were never names for children. Like Karen and Linda are grown women who work in HR. They're not children names. I don't know what they call you as a kid when they name you Karen. KK? They can't call you Karen, you know?

• 20:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:08Laci Mosley?

  That's like if your name is Walter as a baby. We're not calling you Walter. That's weird.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, that is weird.

• 20:14Laci Mosley?

  You're one years old. You Walter.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Bad things inside, yeah. Or maybe like, you know, you know them babies that are born and they look like old ladies as babies? Those are all Karens.

• 20:24Laci Mosley?

  They are. They're all Karens and Sherrills.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  And Agathas and Martha.

• 20:30Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna bring it back. My grandmama name, Mildred.

• 20:32Speaker 03

  Mild? Oh, my goodness, Mildred. That is an old black lady name. It sure is.

• 20:37Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna run it back and we'll call the baby Millie, you know? And then she'll be Mildred when she get grown and she get a W2. As soon as she saw her first W2, she'll be Mildred.

• 20:46Speaker 03

  She'll be Mildred.

• 20:48Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so Kelsey says, "Back in the early 2000s, a well-known nationwide bus company..." I wish you would've stashed on what the name of the bus company is. You don't work for them.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  Right.

• 21:00Laci Mosley?

  "...but they sold unlimited travel passes that would let you ride the bus anywhere in the USA from one city to another for two, three, or four weeks, depending on the pass that you bought. The longer a travel period, the more expensive the pass. A friend of a friend of a friend of a friend." Kelsey?

• 21:20Speaker 03

  Girl, I'm about to say bitch, this is not your friend. Why do you even care now? She should spill all the tea. She don't notice people?

• 21:26Laci Mosley?

  This sounded like lies. Not you giving me six degrees of Kevin Bacon of the Friends. This is too far away. I don't know if this is a friend, sis. I feel like a friend of a friend, maybe, but a friend of a friend of a friend of friend? You don't know that. Honest, I'm friend of a friend of a friend of Beyonce. I could probably make that work.

• 21:48Laci Mosley?

  Like, that's too many friends. Um, so this friend of a friend of a friend of friend must have bought an actual pass at some point, but somehow got through someone I knew and I got ahold of a scanned copy of an original pass. Now, I just want to pause here. Have y'all ever taken a bus? Like, okay, there's city buses and you know, that's like, you're going stop to stop. But have you ever taken a bus from a state to another state?

• 22:13Speaker 03

  Ooh, no, like those like, those boat buses and stuff. I've never done that.

• 22:17Speaker 04

  Oh, many times.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  Really?

• 22:20Speaker 04

  Honey, I'm from Chattanooga. They don't exactly have Northeast Amtrak plush stations.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  Y'all hoes just got running water and fucking electricity like last week.

• 22:30Laci Mosley?

  Listen, the Amtrak is not giving. I hasn't taken Amtrak because my best friend JoJo had a remote birthday party upstate New York. And I was like, I'm gonna get the first class car. That'll be cute.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  No, even the first class cars, yes, it's not the fantasy.

• 22:45Laci Mosley?

  It was so dirty and I was just sitting there like a hostage, like, oh, I don't want to touch anything.

• 22:52Speaker 03

  People, people do TikToks about it. They're like, I'm taking, I'm taking, um, they do like these time lapse TikToks of them taking the first class, uh, Amtrak, whatever. And it looks so dirty. They gotta like, you gotta like pee. Like, the toilet is like underneath the bed. It's, uh-uh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 23:09Laci Mosley?

  I don't want to shower with toilet water. That's not fair.

• 23:13Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, I just, I literally just.

• 23:14Speaker 04

  Why not, Lacey?

• 23:16Laci Mosley?

  I am a descendant of slaves. I should never have to shower with toilet water.

• 23:22Laci Mosley?

  It's ridiculous that I have to pay taxes. I should get ten years off. Y'all not gonna give me forty acres and a mule. At least give me ten years off of Uncle Sam fucking putting his ski mask on and being like, run it up. You know?

• 23:33Speaker 03

  We're talking about scams. The fucking US government is the biggest scam out there anyway.

• 23:36Laci Mosley?

  Truly. No, look, America is a whole scam, and I say it all the time, okay? That's how we exist, off of robbery and fraud. We will sell you a dream. That's why we got the white picket fence, the biggest scam of all. Like, yeah, come over here, you can get a white picket fence. Actually, you will get an apartment with a mean landlord, and it's gonna be too expensive, and he ain't never gonna fix that asbestos, you know? You better stay up at night and watch them mesothelioma commercials, cuz you gonna need it.

• 24:03Laci Mosley?

  But I have taken buses. I used to take the, when I was in college, I lived, I was in Pennsylvania, and we would go to New York City, and we would go to Canada and other places. We would take the Megabus. And at that time, the Megabus was cute. It was really clean. It was like, they had wifi, they had little tables, you could do your homework on and stuff. And then the regular girls found out about the Megabus. And then it went downhill.

• 24:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, the Megabus and the boat bus and all those buses are, yeah, I never took any of those.

• 24:33Laci Mosley?

  I did, back in the day, and they were cute, and then they went-

• 24:36Speaker 04

  It was one dollar, one dollar to get from here, New York City to Boston.

• 24:40Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and then they started upping it a little bit. They're like, one dollar, okay, now it's twenty-four dollars. Okay, now it's fifty-six dollars. Okay, now it's a hundred and seven dollars. It was like, what, what's going on?

• 24:50Speaker 04

  Well, honey, that's the same thing that's going on with Uber and the surge prices and every other kinda price, that they're going up.

• 24:55Laci Mosley?

  That was cuz Uber was a scam. They literally subverted the cab market and were like, if we get a bunch of venture capitalists to invest in Uber, then we can operate, basically making no profit, subvert the market, ruin the cab industry, and then jack up the prices, cuz we all you got. That's what happened with Uber. And I loved it and I hated it, cuz I lived in New York City, and Monet, you said you lived in New York City.

• 25:18Laci Mosley?

  I've been clipped by so many cabs, I've been hit by so many cabs, that I was like, look-

• 25:22Speaker 03

  And why didn't you sue?

• 25:24Laci Mosley?

  Cause I could, they was driving off too fast. I couldn't get the license plate.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Girl, there is a, there is a surveillance camera on every corner of New York City. Girl, you could, you could own the city of LA right now. Okay. You could own the Los Angeles county.

• 25:37Laci Mosley?

  Damn, how long they keep them traffic cameras up? Maybe I could retroactively sue because they owe me money.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  I've had two friends that have sued that, that got hit by cars and sued the state of New York and each of them are, and both of them were, were just under a million dollars they got.

• 25:54Laci Mosley?

  Black people, if the cabs hit you in New York, y'all gotta sue. Get the, get your camera phone out.

• 26:00Speaker 03

  Girl, stay right on that ground. Stay on that floor. Do not move, girl, until you are on a stretcher.

• 26:06Laci Mosley?

  I was just down bad. I didn't even know. I didn't even know I could have sued. Wowzers. Wowzers. So we're, we're talking about a scam that's being done to the bus company, right? So this person said a friend, a friend, a friend, a friend got the, the actual pass that lasted all year long. And then somehow they got a scan of the pass, like a copy. So compared to a city to city ticket from the same company, the unlimited travel pass was extremely easy to forge. It was basically just a black and white piece of double sided thick paper, which was really easy to Photoshop on any computer, print out on Kinko's and glue together. I know that's right. If you're gonna be a scammer, you gotta be adept in Photoshop.

• 26:48Laci Mosley?

  You gotta know about InDesign, the InDesign girlies. Shout out to y'all. You gotta be able to fabricate things online. All you had to do was flash your forged pass to the bus driver and voila, a free ride anywhere in the country. I have never actually seen one genuine pass in real life. Damn. So all your friends were scamming. Okay.

• 27:09Laci Mosley?

  Wow. Punk friends and I forged many passes over the years, which allowed us to travel around the country. I'm assuming you're saying punk, like y'all was doing like punk rock, like y'all was like Courtney Love or something, but okay. One year I went to New Orleans. I went from New Orleans to New York City and on another trip from Detroit to Los Angeles via the Grand Canyon and Las Vegas, all for free. Long distance bus is not the most glamorous way to travel. No, it is not. Like even you saying that you went all these distances. I'm like, yo booty not numb?

• 27:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, yeah, that's cute and all, but when you forget to get to New York City for to New Orleans, bitch, that's like a two or three day trip. So by the time you take off your from your job, no, that sounds not.

• 27:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. They were like, I went from Austin to Toronto. That don't sound good. I don't want to ride from Austin to Toronto. I need to be in the air.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  But although some people love that shit, though. People love like seeing the trees. I'm not that girl. I want to get in a plane and be there in less than an hour.

• 28:09Laci Mosley?

  I can Google, I can Google a tree.

• 28:11Speaker 04

  I don't think it's that they, I don't think it's that they love it. It's just that some of them hate flying. And you know, my dad has not refused to fly for years.

• 28:21Laci Mosley?

  Statistically than flying.

• 28:23Speaker 04

  Hello. But, but that's not, talk about danger. I'm talking about do they like it?

• 28:28Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah. I don't like flying.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  I like flying.

• 28:30Speaker 04

  So a lot of people just, as we've seen, um, throughout the pandemic, a lot of people just do what they want.

• 28:36Laci Mosley?

  That's true. I, but I, I, I do not like flying. And every time I see a plane crash, even though they're super rare, it just scares me so much. Every time I get on a plane and that bitch is like wheels up and you know, they're like fast in seatbelt, I surrender myself to God. Like every single time I'm like, well, if I die, I die. Like I have no control now. We into the bird in the air. I don't know how this works.

• 28:58Speaker 03

  But you yet, but yet every time you get in your car and it's fast in seatbelt, you don't think the same thing?

• 29:02Laci Mosley?

  No, which is crazy because I'm a terrible driver. I should really be afraid every time I turn on my engine because I am a horrible commuter. I should not have a license.

• 29:14Laci Mosley?

  I'm a menace to society. My friend just got a, a baby in this bitch sticker on the back of her car. It just says baby in this bitch and she just had a baby. And I was like, where you get that? Cause I want that so people be more sympathetic to my terrible driving and I can be in the HOV lane. So Liz like hook me up.

• 29:29Speaker 03

  Scammer, scammer.

• 29:31Laci Mosley?

  Gotta be, I lowkey was about to get one of them thin blue line stickers and put it on my car. Do I support the police? Hell no. But if I got a thin blue line sticker, maybe they won't pull my ass over for expired tax. Maybe if I'm just like, I love white supremacy, then the cops will leave me alone.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Blue lines matter, please.

• 29:51Laci Mosley?

  Right, I listen, you know how many cops I've cried in front of to get out of tickets and also probably out of murder? A lot.

• 29:56Speaker 03

  Does it work? Does it work?

• 29:57Laci Mosley?

  Yes, yes, I, I've been pulled over several times for doing wild shit. Usually in the middle of the night, which is what I call horse and buggy hours. Because like, I don't have to listen to the traffic stop. It's 2am, like ain't nobody out here. I'm gonna make a right hand turn from the left hand lane.

• 30:14Laci Mosley?

  This is Little House on the Prairie, like ain't nobody out here? Get me up.

• 30:18Speaker 03

  Buggy hours, I'm so done with you, I'm fucking done.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  I'm serious, but then I get pulled over, I'm like, I'm so sorry. I'm a woman and I'm black, you know, we, we not as good as y'all at thinking.

• 30:33Laci Mosley?

  I don't want anybody to ever record me getting pulled over at a traffic stop. Cause I'll be like, you're an embarrassment to the race. To the race, to the culture, to the queers, like I'll do it all.

• 30:43Speaker 03

  I live, I live.

• 30:46Laci Mosley?

  So, so Kelsey says she's done all this long distance tripping. And you know, it's not glamorous, but she's like, it's free and it saved us thousands of dollars in airfare or bus fares. It was such a good scam and the bus would have been traveling that route anyway, likely with empty seats. So I don't really feel guilty about how much we ripped off the bus company, as you should.

• 31:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree. Don't feel bad. They're fine. Listen, there's no one, there's no way that a corporation becomes a billion dollar corporation or a multimillion dollar corporation by, by being completely ethical. I fully believe that, so.

• 31:19Laci Mosley?

  You have to kill people. If you're gonna be a billionaire, people have to die under your watch. It's just a part of it.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  So you know what? So you can scam a little bit. They'll be just fine.

• 31:28Laci Mosley?

  They'll be high. They will. Honestly, that's reparations. We talk about that a lot on this show. It's like, look, capitalism is a scam, so get yours, you know?

• 31:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:36Laci Mosley?

  Put your oxygen mask on first.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  But get yours is also the message of capitalism.

• 31:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but.

• 31:44Speaker 04

  You, you, you get.

• 31:45Laci Mosley?

  When you're under the foot of the boot, get yours is not the same as when you are the boot.

• 31:52Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:53Laci Mosley?

  Cause then that's just self-control. Like you're hoarding wealth, you're hoarding resources and you just don't care. We just trying to be alive.

• 32:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I agree.

• 32:01Laci Mosley?

  And it's time for Historic Hoodwings. This is where I will regale Monet Exchange and Lady Bunny with a famous con caper group of criminals we'll see. And we'll get their opinions all throughout. So, um, we are gonna put a content warning at the top of this. We're gonna lightly explore some mental health issues in this episode. But as always, guys, a lot of us have mental health issues and I, I'm so happy to live in a time where it's less shameful. I mean, it's still, there's still stigma attached, but it's way less shameful than, you know, in the eighties, if you saw a therapist and they'd be like, why are you doing that? You a crazy?

• 32:36Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:37Laci Mosley?

  Now it's like we all talk to somebody and it's all normal and okay, for the most part. So we're talking about the turn of the 20th century. New Zealand was taken by storm by a chronic criminal who committed crimes seemingly for their own sake. She was notoriously clever and even convinced a woman to marry her all while disguised as a wealthy sheep farmer. Amy Bach may have pleaded insanity, but she still went on to have a very extensive career. Hmm, okay, Amy.

• 33:07Speaker 03

  Okay, Miss Amy.

• 33:10Laci Mosley?

  So you went from mental health awareness to, no, I'm a crazy. Is that gonna get me out of jail?

• 33:16Speaker 03

  She tried to pull a Lacy.

• 33:19Laci Mosley?

  Why isn't it Lacy now?

• 33:21Speaker 03

  Because you're like, keep me out, I promise I did nothing good with that.

• 33:25Laci Mosley?

  Right, put me in a little padded room.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  Okay, I think I may need some mental help, but how did we get from mental health to the sheep herder criminal?

• 33:37Laci Mosley?

  See, look, I don't know what old McDonald is up to. I don't know if she had a farm. I don't know the EIs and I do not know the EIOs, okay?

• 33:49Speaker 04

  Yes, you do.

• 33:50Laci Mosley?

  We're on this ride together. I don't.

• 33:51Speaker 04

  Yes, you do. You do.

• 33:53Laci Mosley?

  I swear to God, everybody knows on this podcast, I will submit research to my researcher Kaylin and things that I think are cool, and then I don't read the research full out because I like to be on the ride with all of you.

• 34:04Speaker 04

  No, I'm teasing you.

• 34:05Laci Mosley?

  My parasocial relationship.

• 34:06Speaker 04

  I'm teasing you, Monet got it, I just got lost. So I'm saying, I need some mental help.

• 34:11Laci Mosley?

  Well, I'm gonna get you unlost. I'm gonna hit you with the ways, okay? Which we know ways is a little treacherous, okay? It's not gonna be Google Maps, it's not gonna be Apple Maps, it's gonna be ways. So Amy Maude Bach was born May 18th, 1859. Does that make her a Gemini? I feel like that's a Gemini.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  May 18th, no, Gemini is after the 20th, right, isn't it?

• 34:32Laci Mosley?

  So it's a Taurus, that's a Taurus, okay? Tauruses are very caring, they're very responsible and stoic. I feel like that makes a good scammer. Geminis are also great scammers. I love a Gemini woman scammer, and a Sagittarius woman scammer. So, because the Sag women, the Sag women are wild, so.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Are they?

• 34:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes, yes.

• 34:52Speaker 03

  Are you a Sag?

• 34:53Laci Mosley?

  I am not. I am a Cancer.

• 34:56Speaker 03

  Oh, you're a Cancer, you're water sign, you're emotional.

• 34:59Laci Mosley?

  Don't do that, okay? Now, listen, if we really know each other, then yes, it's get in bitch, let's go crying, okay? I love a good cry. But if you don't know me, I'm an Aries moon and that's what you gonna get, you know?

• 35:11Speaker 03

  I have a Gemini rising, so I definitely have a little scam in me.

• 35:15Laci Mosley?

  I'm a Libra rising, that makes sense why we work so well together and how I got you here, Monet.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  And Lady Bunny's just a devil, she's a little.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  No, no, no, I'll tell you this, my sister is a Taurus born in 1959.

• 35:27Laci Mosley?

  Now, why you starting with your sister like she on this podcast? What are you?

• 35:30Speaker 04

  I'm trying to make a connection, I'm a Leo, but I'm trying to make a connection because my sister is a Taurus, also born in 1959. I'm just trying to get into the podcast.

• 35:40Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I said 1859, 1859.

• 35:44Speaker 04

  But she's like, listen, she's my twin sister. She was born in eighteen fifty-nine.

• 35:48Laci Mosley?

  How y'all twins? Are you a Leo? She a Gemini. What's going on?

• 35:51Speaker 04

  Well, you okay, you got, you bust, I'm busted. Okay.

• 35:56Laci Mosley?

  I'm being scammed. We all being scammed by Lady Bunny right now, and I love that for us. So, she was born in Hobart, Tasmania. Amy Maubach's father was an artist and a photographer, and her mother died in psychiatric hospital when Amy was thirteen. So, eighteen fifty-nine is when they would put women in psychiatric hospitals if they like, talk too much, if they like, had too many opinions. They'd be like, "Give that woman a lobotomy." So who knows if the mother needed to even be in a psychiatric hospital because it was a bad time. It's still a bad time now, but at least they not locking us up for having thoughts. Well, they still are, but not as much. So, growing up, Amy's scam career started small and fairly innocent. She would purchase large quantities of items such as books under her father's name and give them away to random people.

• 36:42Laci Mosley?

  She also told elaborate and wild stories. Yes, we love a liar. So despite that, Amy had a relatively normal and well-educated upbringing, and as an adult, found an employment as a teacher in Gipsland, a rural region of Victoria, Australia. And Australia is the criminal capital of the world because that's where they were sending all the criminals.

• 37:01Speaker 03

  Yo, right, but let me tell you something. The criminal capital of the world with big ass dicks. Let me tell you something, okay? I went to Australia. And I, the amount of dick they are slinging, the amount of dick they are slinging out in Australia, girl.

• 37:16Laci Mosley?

  I need to go to the Outback? I need to get some dick on the Barbie?

• 37:19Speaker 03

  There are some white men with some big old dicks in Australia. It's crazy.

• 37:25Speaker 03

  Eyes have not seen.

• 37:26Laci Mosley?

  How do you know this, Monet?

• 37:27Speaker 03

  Eyes have not seen.

• 37:29Laci Mosley?

  Got their dicks out. How do you?

• 37:31Speaker 03

  Eyes have not seen, ears have not heard, the amount of dick down in Australia. Because I've toured there at least, at least like, six or seven times now, and every time, I am gobsmacked by what I witness.

• 37:43Laci Mosley?

  Not gobsmack, not down under. Not the down under, having the down under.

• 37:47Speaker 04

  No, literally gobsmack. Like, oh, slap it across.

• 37:51Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so the Joey's be Joeying. Okay.

• 37:57Laci Mosley?

  Love to hear it. Want to see it.

• 38:03Laci Mosley?

  So she started small, right? And she was telling these lies and stuff. Despite that, Amy had a relatively normal, well-educated upbringing. She found employment. She, you know, was living her life. She first ran into a spot of trouble when she received a summons for acquiring goods on false credit. Now, this is like, she was born in eighteen fifty-nine. So these are like the early nineteen hundreds when she's approaching adulthood. Well, the, we don't have no, credit was invented in the eighties, you know? Like, there's no real way to tell what's going on.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:35Laci Mosley?

  So she must have been doing enough fraud that they were like, wait a minute. Because I feel like you could do a decent amount of fraud without getting caught in this time.

• 38:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, but this time it probably wasn't, it probably wasn't, there were like, oh, but like, what? A hundred people in town. So if you, if you're the person that always come back, they were like, something has a foot here. You know what I mean?

• 38:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. I have a feeling that Amy Bach might have been a bad bitch too. Because like, it's like, people remember your face, Amy. What's going on?

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, you know?

• 39:01Laci Mosley?

  So many of the goods that she purchased were unusual. One time, she famously bought a number of coffins from all the undertakers in town and then sent them to one family. However, despite being caught, the judge discharged Amy with a conviction. So I don't know why she was, look, these are the eighteen hundreds. The whole reason we have birthdays is because all the babies used to be dying. So, and then we're like, let's celebrate. Yeah, it was like, let's celebrate your baby didn't die. Like, we are, we've been in a formula shortage and people have been like, oh, I don't understand why that's a big deal. Like, there's breast milk and da-da-da. I'm like, do you realize that before we had formula, the babies just died? Like, they just died. So, I, I mean, coffins are expensive.

• 39:46Laci Mosley?

  If you want to run me some discount coffins, that might be the move. I'd be like, thank you so much. They'd be like four thousand, eight thousand a pop, okay?

• 39:56Speaker 03

  Well, you, you know, you know, you can buy coffins at Costco.

• 39:59Laci Mosley?

  That's true. We should all stop.

• 40:01Speaker 03

  You can buy coffin at Costco.

• 40:03Laci Mosley?

  Because like, look, we can put, we can put some mesh on your coffin. We could put some like cute stuff on it to make it better. Like, you don't need a nice coffin. Pine is fine. Pine is fine.

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• 42:17Speaker 04

  I mean, this scammer would buy other people's stuff?

• 42:22Laci Mosley?

  I don't know why she's doing this. I can't tell you what that scam is. So, when she was caught, they didn't convict her, which means she probably was a bad bitch. During that time, many people knew of her mother's death in a psychiatric hospital. Because there was still so much stigma about any forms of mental illness in the 19th century, unfortunately, Amy was unable to escape her mother's reputation. So they said, because we sent your mama to the psychiatric hospital, probably because she was mouthing off too much, talking about she wanted rights. Now, you were also, you know, damaged by that. According to the local newspaper, quote, "Much sympathy has been felt for Ms. Bach, as her mistake is believed to have been caused by more hereditary misfortune than criminal intent."

• 43:05Laci Mosley?

  So Amy, not you using your mama and being like, "Well, y'all know my mama in the looney bin, so that's why I was scamming."

• 43:13Laci Mosley?

  "That's why I did the robbery. It's hereditary. It's in my DNA. I'm supposed to steal. That's how I was born." Love that for her. Shortly after, Amy's father asked her to move to Auckland, New Zealand, with him and his second wife. Not you getting remarried all fast, and he was the one who put her in the looney bin. Girl, fight your father. A fist to the cubs.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  Right. Oh, that is shady. Yo, dudes back, dudes have always been trifling. Men have been trifling since the beginning of time. This is so shady.

• 43:39Laci Mosley?

  And why are we not blaming them more? Like, literally, all the wars were caused by men. Why are we not blaming them?

• 43:46Speaker 03

  Girl.

• 43:47Laci Mosley?

  Lock them up. Lock all the cis straight men up until we can figure out what's going on.

• 43:53Speaker 03

  Oh wait, all the cis straight men and Lady Bunny. She should be locked up as well. Institutionalized, actually.

• 43:59Speaker 04

  What makes you think that I'm not cis het?

• 44:04Speaker 04

  I guess, I guess you have never met my wife.

• 44:09Laci Mosley?

  You want me to re, you want me to send that back to you, Lady Bunny? What makes you think that I'm not cis het?

• 44:20Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, that just sounded like poppers to me. I don't know what you thought I heard, but that's what I heard. So, in Auckland, Amy worked as a governess, but within a few weeks, had defrauded her employer. She appeared in tears in front of a judge, confessing to it all, and was subsequently let off. So a governess was basically like a nanny, but for like an older girl back in the day.

• 44:40Speaker 04

  Oh, I remember. I remember. Oh, no. I mean, yeah. Oh, thank you for telling me what that is.

• 44:45Laci Mosley?

  I'm just saying for the people who are listening, Lady Bunny, it ain't just us.

• 44:51Laci Mosley?

  Y'all watched the Gilded Age. Y'all know what a governess is. I love that the Gilded Age is basically down to the Abbey. They were like, "We're gonna do it just as boring, but American."

• 45:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I was like, "I can't watch it. That shit is too boring."

• 45:03Laci Mosley?

  I love boring shit. They're like, "This whole episode is about how we can't get the spoons polished for the dinner." Like, that's the whole episode. Love it. I'm into it. It's so petty and so small, and I need it. So, she appeared in tears in front of the judge. She was like, "I'm so sorry. I did it all, but remember my mama crazy? Y'all remember my mama crazy? That's why I did it." This became the start to a pattern of behavior across Amy's career. She'd find employment and charm her employees with her diligence and charm, but then, a couple of weeks later, she would use devious means to obtain small amounts of money. She'd either pawn her employees' property or created elaborate fictions to convince people to give her money. You better, Amy. You better.

• 45:45Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, you probably got this shit from your dad, because your dad threw you into jail for... Threw your mama into jail for women, and he's probably the scammer here, and I feel like that's where you got this from. When she got cash, she disappeared for a few more weeks and then show up in court weeping and take advantage of her previous reputation and blamed her hereditary mental illness for her crimes. Yes, I know Amy was cute. We got an image of her mugshot, so I hope that she's cute. So the judge would hand out a sentence, rinse and repeat. In 1887, Amy was sentenced, and we got a mugshot, to six months at Kavisham Industrial School, an institution designed to train children whose parents could not care for them. It's unknown why she was sentenced here as an adult.

• 46:29Laci Mosley?

  Oh, wait, get that picture up again. We need to see what Amy's giving.

• 46:33Speaker 04

  That's a man. Honey, that's a man. That's a man. That's a man.

• 46:39Speaker 03

  Girl.

• 46:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no. I feel like she got BDE. I feel like she got energy.

• 46:45Speaker 04

  I thought you said she was pretty.

• 46:47Laci Mosley?

  I feel like she got energy.

• 46:48Speaker 04

  You think she's got big D energy?

• 46:50Laci Mosley?

  I do. I have met some, some women who could take me down, who look just like Amy. Cause they got that energy. I'm just like, yes, I don't know. I'm with you.

• 47:02Speaker 03

  Uh-uh, Amy needs, uh-uh.

• 47:04Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. Look how she posed too. This is a prison pose.

• 47:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, Amy is, Amy's posting up.

• 47:12Speaker 03

  Uh-uh, Amy's not for me.

• 47:14Laci Mosley?

  Hey, listen, Amy ain't got no lips.

• 47:17Speaker 04

  Wait, I think I'm related to her.

• 47:20Laci Mosley?

  You might be, ladybug. You might be related to Amy.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  I see the nose.

• 47:25Laci Mosley?

  Amy look like she got a binder on. Amy, what kind of energy are you on? Amy, are you for the girls?

• 47:30Speaker 03

  I mean, Amy, Amy does look like she is doing a little, um, waist training. I see her, Amy, Amy been sipping her flat tummy tea. Uh-huh. Get it, Amy?

• 47:38Speaker 04

  Waist training? She's hungry.

• 47:41Laci Mosley?

  Listen, that, that was back in the day where if you were thin, it meant you were broke. And if you were fat, it meant you were rich.

• 47:48Speaker 04

  Oh, I remember. I mean, no, really? Oh.

• 47:51Laci Mosley?

  Cause you couldn't afford food. So the richest people would be like well fed and like, and the poorest people would be gangly.

• 47:58Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 48:00Laci Mosley?

  She look good though. I don't know. I'm attracted. I was something, she doing something to me. I don't like, turn this off.

• 48:07Laci Mosley?

  Turn this off before I go find Amy Graves.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  Lacey, you are not that desperate to where you are fantasizing about some farmer woman.

• 48:17Laci Mosley?

  I have a black woman in LA, okay? Desperation is high, okay? And I'm successful. The pickings are slim, okay? Amy might have to be the one.

• 48:27Speaker 04

  What? Lacey, her?

• 48:32Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. I like it. I like it. I don't know what she talking about. Okay. The energy. Thank you for turning that off Marina, cause I was, ooh, I was getting a little hot. I was like, wait a minute. Where, where she, where she at? Australia? Where they been? At the down under? What's going on down there?

• 48:48Speaker 03

  I mean, she first, I'll show you. She probably got a big ass dick, I'm telling you.

• 48:54Laci Mosley?

  And I wanna know, and I wanna know, okay? For the next eight years, Amy was in and out of courts and prisons for a series of fraud and larceny charges while also working as a music teacher at times, okay?

• 49:07Speaker 03

  What?

• 49:09Laci Mosley?

  You better be doing do re mi between jail, prison, see?

• 49:13Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 49:14Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I love this. During this period, she also lived with members of the Salvation Army and convinced them to lend her funds to buy and furnish a six-room house in Omuru. Wow. In the press, Amy grew popular because she was a wholesome criminal. She never drank, committed violent crimes, or engaged in prostitution.

• 49:36Speaker 03

  I like how that's a thing, they're like, and above all, she never was a whore.

• 49:41Laci Mosley?

  And I don't like that, cuz I feel like these other two are wholesome. Like, if you, you can drink as long as you, you know, you can do it in moderation or whatever.

• 49:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:51Laci Mosley?

  You commit violent crimes, we not about that. But prostitution, I'm sorry, y'all telling us we can be a hoe for free, but when I'm like, put a little money on the, on the dresser before you go, then it's a crime? No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Hoe is life, and sex work is work. We don't play those games.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  Absolutely, agreed.

• 50:08Laci Mosley?

  So despite this, Amy eventually landed herself at the Magdalene Asylum for Fallen Women near Christchurch in 1895 and fell out of the public eye. Quick background on Magdalene asylums, also known as Magdalene laundries. The term implied female sexual promiscuity or work in prostitution. Young women who became pregnant outside of marriage or young girls and teenagers who did not have familial support would go to this place. They were required to work as a part of their board, and the institution operated large commercial laundry, serving customers outside of their bays, often contend, oh no. And it was often considered abusive indentured servitude. And we've talked about these laundry centers before. They were like, oh, you a hoe?

• 50:52Laci Mosley?

  You like to fuck? Now you gotta wash clothes for the rest of your life.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  I'm thinking about that scene in Ever After with Drew Barrymore and Angelica Huston, when they send them to work at one of these, you know, at the end of the movie?

• 51:05Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:06Speaker 03

  You know what I'm talking about?

• 51:07Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I do.

• 51:08Speaker 03

  I don't know that this was like, I didn't know that. So you're, so you talked about this before. This happens often that they make, if you're seen as a whore, they send you to be a laundry person?

• 51:17Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and people love to act like if you get pregnant, we don't know who participated in that. As if there's not a man involved. Why you not busting suds next to me? This should be a Tide commercial.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 51:30Laci Mosley?

  All the hoes got the cleanest laundry.

• 51:35Laci Mosley?

  Gain. Did you have a baby out of wedlock? Gain.

• 51:42Laci Mosley?

  This is disrespectful. So eventually, Amy's own cleverness caught up to her. One reporter even said, a quote, "The outstanding fact in New Zealand, perhaps in Australia, this woman stands supreme in her cleverness over other female criminals." So, one thing that men really don't like is when they meet a woman who outsmarts them. Because they're like, women don't have brains, they have pussies for us to make sex with. And

• 52:06Speaker 03

  And do laundry with.

• 52:07Laci Mosley?

  Right, and do our laundry. And so if you outsmart a man, they are very upset about it. Anytime a complex scam popped up, police would automatically assume Amy is one of the ones clever enough to pull it off. Amy had come up with a new plan. So in 1907, she discovered, when you're the most wanted female in criminal history, you stop being female. Oh my god, she's trans.

• 52:30Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 52:33Laci Mosley?

  We won.

• 52:36Laci Mosley?

  I told you she was giving that energy.

• 52:38Speaker 03

  I didn't see this coming. I did not see this coming.

• 52:41Laci Mosley?

  Whoa. So now, forty-eight years old. Amy turned up at a boarding house called Albion House, right at the tip of the coast of Nugget Point in South Otago. I don't know where any of these places are. I'm assuming they're in Australia. She posed as a wealthy sheep farmer. This was a sheep come in, lady bunny.

• 52:59Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm going back with you now.

• 53:02Laci Mosley?

  Just waiting on the sheep.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:05Laci Mosley?

  So Percival Leonard Carroll Redwood, that's too many names. That's too many names. She gave herself four names. That's, we know you're doing crime. Too many names. Befriending many in the area and cultivating a reputation for being generous and from a good family. So this is the farm that she, this farm looks cute. It's a little mountain in the back. It's some water on the.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's very, it looks very peaceful. It's very serene.

• 53:29Laci Mosley?

  I would never say anyone was scamming there.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I like this for him.

• 53:34Laci Mosley?

  I feel, yes. So now it's, I like this for him. So Amy then leaned on the reputation that they had built as Percy to obtain loans from good people of Nugget Point. And obviously, this is a small, this is like Cheers. Everybody knows your name. Like, they're not thinking that there's a scammer here. Percy soon became so popular at Albion House that its owners started considering Percy as a good fit to marry their thirty year old daughter, Agnes Otway. Now, this is the olden times. So at thirty years old, they was ready to throw your ass in the ocean if you weren't married.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:09Laci Mosley?

  You're like, you're a wench.

• 54:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, honestly, thank God. God bless all women. If, if I was, if I had come into this world as a woman and lived back then, I would have been beheaded. I would have been, I would be, I would be gone.

• 54:25Laci Mosley?

  I would have been like, a witch.

• 54:27Speaker 03

  Girl, down.

• 54:29Laci Mosley?

  It was wild that they used to just call people witches and burn them and everybody just agreed in the town. Like, yeah, this sounds fine.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, and like, imagine if the person, if the person was a witch and you, and then they did not die. You have just upset a fucking witch and she's about to destroy all of y'all. Game over.

• 54:44Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  What they would do is throw the, the alleged witches into water and if they, because they thought witches, uh, could, uh, not, would float. So when they actually did drown, uh, they knew that they weren't witches, but you had to drown to prove it.

• 55:01Laci Mosley?

  They did.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  Right.

• 55:02Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, I feel like witches were just any woman who was smart. They were like, how do you, how do you know things? Burn her at the stake.

• 55:11Speaker 03

  Ooh, stake.

• 55:12Laci Mosley?

  This, this bitch knows arithmetic. I saw her with an abacus. Witch.

• 55:18Speaker 04

  Well, or, or also the witch trials in Salem were attached to puritanical religion of, of the Puritans.

• 55:26Laci Mosley?

  They used to burn all the bad bitches. If you was a city girl in the eighteen hundreds, it was over for you.

• 55:31Speaker 04

  Cardi B would be done.

• 55:32Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Cardi B would be dead, dead. Like, they, they, they definitely would have burned Cardi at the stake. She would have been up there like, eww! And they would have been lighting her up. No. No. I hate it for us. So within weeks of Percy arriving at Nugget Point, they got engaged to this thirty year old, you know, forsaken woman who could not find love. Cause, you know, they was trying to marry the girls off at twelve. So thirty, they're like, alright, well, you gonna die soon. Like, our life expectancy is very short.

• 56:05Speaker 03

  Girl, everybody only, only, everybody only made it to the Jesus year. After thirty-three, you were done.

• 56:09Laci Mosley?

  Right. Right, that was it. Your Jesus year, you throw it up and then you gone. Like, what? So you, and, and people used to die of like bullshit. Honestly, so embarrassing. You, you died of chicken pox? Wow, very ghetto. Um, I'm glad I was born now and I didn't have to die of nothing like, you know, what, percussus? Or what, um, consumption? Consumption was just like, we don't know what you got, but you got a fever and you dying, so.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  Really? I didn't, I never even heard of consumption.

• 56:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that was like a broad term for like people who was sick.

• 56:45Speaker 03

  Lacey, you are so knowledgeable on so many things. I'm, I know, I, I know nothing. You need to be like my teacher in life. You're so, you know everything.

• 56:52Laci Mosley?

  Listen, it's all about confidence, Monet. I might be lying. Sometimes, sometimes the girls be tagging me on Twitter like, this is not true. And I'm like, okay, what do you want? I'm not a journalist. I told you that.

• 57:05Laci Mosley?

  I said that up front. I'm not a journalist. So what do you want from me? So regardless, they had a large extravagant wedding down to the five diamond wedding ring that Percy gave Agnes. In part, stirring up such great enthusiasm and chatter around the wedding helped quiet the murmurings from the number of people that Percy had yet to pay back. So they see this big ass wedding. They're like, well, Percy hasn't paid us back on our loans, but Percy got money for this wedding. So Percy obviously has coin. So we'll wait it out. We'll see. Percy claimed that his wealthy family would arrive the day of the wedding and pay the outstanding debts. However, come the day of the wedding, no one showed, obviously. And Percy said it was because another family wedding was planned the same day. Now we got a picture of the family wedding. Let's zoom in on that. Okay, they got good cameras. Percy is giving the drip.

• 57:51Laci Mosley?

  So come the day of the wedding, obviously no one showed. And he's like, oh, you know, it actually was another nuptial on the same day. They had multiple nuptials. So that's why, um, my family couldn't come. Despite this, no one called Percy's bluff. And Percy and Agnes were legally married. Tension heightened over the next few days and tales of, okay, so now we can see the wedding photos. It's giving. Everybody had on their best. Like the seamstress really pulled up. They made, the textiles are popping.

• 58:22Speaker 04

  So what, yeah, this is reminding me of the competitors on Drag Race All Stars, season seven.

• 58:31Speaker 04

  Dusty, dusty.

• 58:33Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God. Not the shade, lady buddy. Oh, my goodness. I'm in a forest. All the shade.

• 58:42Laci Mosley?

  Ah, I mean, look, for the time, I think that was, oh, my gosh, is this Percy?

• 58:46Speaker 03

  Look at Percy. Percy looks so handsome.

• 58:48Laci Mosley?

  See, I knew Percy was fine.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  You said the last one was fine.

• 58:53Laci Mosley?

  This is, this is, this is Amy.

• 58:55Speaker 03

  This is Amy as Percy.

• 58:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God. Percy, yeah, see?

• 58:58Speaker 04

  It looks like Paul McCartney.

• 59:00Speaker 03

  I see Paul McCartney. Yeah, I see Paul McCartney.

• 59:02Speaker 04

  He looks like Paul McCartney.

• 59:04Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:05Speaker 04

  Do you know him? Designer Stella McCartney.

• 59:09Laci Mosley?

  I used to be Paul McCartney's personal server in the Hamptons at a seasonal restaurant. And he would call and ask for me because I knew all his family's allergies and shit. And that his wife loved eggplant. And at the end of the season, he's like, Lacey, you know, you're gonna rise amongst the servers. And I was like, Paul, I don't want to be no damn server.

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  But I shout out to the servers because I did it for a long time. And if you want to do it as a career, you absolutely can and make bank if you work at the right places. There's no shade, but Paul was great. And this, it is giving Paul McCartney. I'm giving, it's giving Abbey Road.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure.

• 59:38Laci Mosley?

  Percy, I would let Percy take me down. Percy got them eyes that just say, open your legs. And you be like, okay, I acquiesce, okay Percy.

• 59:48Speaker 04

  I thought Monet was desperate. Oh my God.

• 59:52Laci Mosley?

  Why y'all calling me desperate? Oh my God. It's hard out here. I'm a black woman in America.

• 59:59Speaker 03

  Lacey, do not even listen. Lady Bunny is, ask Lady Bunny where her, where her man is at. Where's your man, Lady Bunny?

• 1:00:07Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  Honey.

• 1:00:09Laci Mosley?

  Lady Bunny, answer the question.

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  Okay, I'm gonna answer the question. I like pussy now.

• 1:00:17Laci Mosley?

  Pussy or bussy? It's a difference. Okay, with a P, not a B, okay? Okay, well, listen, it's, it's plenty of opportunity out here. Evil opportunity. So Percy, I love Percy so much.

• 1:00:33Speaker 04

  Pussy, I like pussy.

• 1:00:34Laci Mosley?

  Not pussy.

• 1:00:35Speaker 04

  Pussy. I'm sorry, I'm trying to keep up.

• 1:00:38Laci Mosley?

  So tensions heightened over the next few days and tales of Percy's exploits reached Detective Henry Hunt, a hater. Anybody who's detectivizing, like, mind your business, okay? Mind your business, detective. So Detective Hunt had a hunch that, well, he confirmed when he showed up at Nugget Point and with a picture of Amy. And people recognized Percy Redwood. So he showed up with a picture of Amy before his transition into Percy. And he was like, do y'all know this, this person? And they were like, oh, yeah, that looked just like Percy. Four days after the wedding, Detective Hunt drove out to Albion House and Amy was arrested at the Otto Way household. Amy is Percy. She was convicted, now we're going back to female pronouns, but I'm just gonna keep it on his because I feel like that's what Percy wanted.

• 1:01:21Laci Mosley?

  He was convicted at the Dundine Supreme Court and finally named a habitual criminal. See Percy, you fucked up because when you were Amy, you had the sympathy of sexism. And then when you came Percy, they were like, all right, well, let's take this nigga down.

• 1:01:39Laci Mosley?

  So in their later years, Percy moved to Maokao, where he was said to have organized many entertainments and plays and was the life of the district. Listen, Percy is giving good Christian gay. Percy is giving vibes. Percy is giving a good party, probably some good sex, and I want to know Percy. So Percy remarried but divorced again because of his debts. Amy Bach Percy died at Bombay, south of Auckland, 12 years later on August 29, 1943, at the age of 84. 84 in this time period?

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's a lot.

• 1:02:17Speaker 04

  No, no, Percy, Amy.

• 1:02:20Laci Mosley?

  You know Percy didn't have no good healthcare. Percy got high off life. Percy wasn't drinking. Percy wasn't violent. Percy wasn't doing drugs. But Percy was just high on lies and scams. And I love that for them. Percy, I love you. And it's time for Scammer of the Week. There may be an update on this, guys, but at the time of recording, this is what we got for y'all. Investment-making company Goldman Sachs and media company Ozzy have had a falling out since it was discovered that someone was impersonating an executive during a conference call between Goldman Sachs and YouTube. Quick note, read Ozzy. Ozzy is a media company that writes newsletters, blog posts, produces festivals, and runs large YouTube channels.

• 1:03:02Laci Mosley?

  The past winter, Goldman Sachs was closed to invest $40 million in Ozzy, a company with a charismatic CEO, Carlos Watson. That sounds like a good name. I would give Carlos, I don't know if I would give Carlos my money, but I would go to his party.

• 1:03:16Speaker 04

  Oh, I've seen him.

• 1:03:18Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Carlos. Carlos got a good smile though. That's a Colgate smile.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  That smile looks phony as hell. Nobody, no one should be smiling that fucking hard, okay?

• 1:03:28Laci Mosley?

  Listen, he got veneers for sure, but it's giving. I don't know, I'm swirling my hair. Maybe I am thirsty. I'm swirling my hair.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  Look at, look at, look at how fake this smile. In every picture, he is smiling like the fucking Grinch, okay? From ear to ear. This is not right.

• 1:03:44Laci Mosley?

  Carlos is giving, I have a white wife and all white friends. I feel like if you have all white friends and a white wife, then Carlos can really make it in the world. Like, I feel like he's scamming real good.

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  He looks handsome.

• 1:03:58Laci Mosley?

  See, Lady Bunny thinks he looks handsome.

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  Of course you do, cuz she.

• 1:04:01Laci Mosley?

  Lady Bunny, a white.

• 1:04:05Laci Mosley?

  Niggas know, but this is the smile that can fool a Caucasian.

• 1:04:09Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:04:10Laci Mosley?

  That's what it's giving. Additionally, many of their YouTube videos had over 1 million views. So, there was a Zoom meeting that was scheduled between Goldman Sachs Assets Manager Division and YouTube to discuss the merits of the investment. The scheduled participants included Alex Piper, the head of unscripted programming for YouTube originals. Piper arrived late, said he was having trouble logging into the Zoom, and suggested switching to an old-fashioned conference call. I love that cuz I be late to Zooms all the time and it's very embarrassing cuz I'm like, this isn't my living room and how am I late? While on the call, Piper talked up Ozzy, saying that their videos had great success and their CEO, Watson, with that Colgate smile, was a great leader. However, his voice sounded garbled as he spoke, as if he was digitally altered.

• 1:04:54Laci Mosley?

  After the meeting, someone from Goldman Sachs reached out to Piper through Piper's assistant at YouTube, which is when things got a little weird. Piper said he never spoke with anybody at Goldman Sachs and had no knowledge of the meeting taking place. YouTube began an investigation, but within days, Mr. Watson was on the phone apologizing, saying that the voice on the call belonged to Samir Ryo, the co-founder and chief operating officer at Ozzy. In the apology, Mr. Watson attributed the incident to a mental health crisis. Staying on the form of mental health, he was like, oh, my friend Ryo, he crazy and that's why he impersonated somebody that y'all know.

• 1:05:33Laci Mosley?

  In the apology, Mr. Watson attributed the incident, you know, to a mental health crisis. The explanation satisfied the Ozzy-owned board, but did not explain the company's other discrepancies such as dubious claims about its audience size. So they're inflating the numbers. Hello, Facebook. The FBI neither confirms or denies the investigation, though sources close say that they have contacted the executives of Ozzy. But a quick update in Carlos's defense, come on, Colgate. According to Variety, he said that Ozzy Media will not be shutting down. He spoke to his investors, including Goldman Sachs, to salvage Ozzy Media. So, honey, we will see. We will see. I don't know, this man with the Colgate smile, I love him. I love a good scammer.

• 1:06:14Speaker 04

  Wait, somebody scam, somebody scam Goldman Sachs? They're the ones.

• 1:06:19Laci Mosley?

  Goldman Sachs are scammers. That makes sense.

• 1:06:21Speaker 04

  They're the ones that caused the financial crisis.

• 1:06:24Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and they got bailed out. And we don't get bailed out, but they get bailed out with our money. It's very ghetto here.

• 1:06:30Speaker 03

  Okay, Carlos.

• 1:06:32Speaker 04

  I'm gonna say Carlos, go ahead and scam.

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  I like Carlos even more now.

• 1:06:37Laci Mosley?

  We stand beside you. We stand beside you, okay? That's my man, I'm gonna stand beside him.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  That's my man.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  Oh wait, he's your man now? He's your man now? You were just wanting the fucking, uh, trans man that had been dead.

• 1:06:52Laci Mosley?

  Percy is dead. I can't be with him.

• 1:06:54Speaker 04

  That big dead for a hundred years, from Australia. My god.

• 1:06:59Laci Mosley?

  I don't even know where Percy dead at, to be with him. I can't even visit his grave, so.

• 1:07:03Speaker 04

  What would you do with him if you did know?

• 1:07:07Laci Mosley?

  I mean, listen, we could have a nice little, I could be by the grave with flowers, taking Instagram photos. We could get married, like, would he gonna say no, you know?

• 1:07:18Speaker 04

  Well, you know what? If you do go there and find his grave and put flowers on it for your Instagram, I'd be very curious to see how many likes it got.

• 1:07:29Laci Mosley?

  I feel like it would do well. I feel like people would be like, oh my god, Lacey, we're so happy for you. You finally found somebody, like, wow. I would have a wedding too, I have a registry.

• 1:07:39Speaker 04

  Oh my lord.

• 1:07:40Laci Mosley?

  That would be my scam. I marry a dead person. Like, what they gonna do?

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  They're not gonna fuck you.

• 1:07:47Laci Mosley?

  You know what? But that's fine, okay? I just want the documents, get a little ring, get a little party going, you know? Everybody be able to say nice things about me. We do it at the gravesite, you know? Walk me down the aisle of the cemetery. It could be cute.

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, Bunny, Bunny walk you down the aisle.

• 1:08:04Laci Mosley?

  Bunny, I know you would. Walk me down the aisle of the cemetery. Don't play like you wouldn't.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  She's very masculine in that way.

• 1:08:09Speaker 04

  I would lock you in the cemetery.

• 1:08:12Laci Mosley?

  But at the end of the show, we always ask, now lock me in, oh my god. At the end of the show, we always ask, where would you like to be found? So any socials, anything you guys want to plug?

• 1:08:25Laci Mosley?

  Go ahead.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  So you guys can check out our podcast Ebony and Irony. You can get it anywhere you listen to podcasts, Apple, Spotify, Google Play. Where, I mean, who, who really uses Google Play? If you are using Google Play, grow up. And you can find me on all social media at Monet Exchange, M O N E T, the letter X, the word change. And on this new season of All Star Seven, every Thursday, Friday, whatever day comes out of Paramount Plus, I'll be there.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  Okay, and I, and I am at Lady Bunny seventy seven. No, I'm not. I am at.

• 1:08:58Laci Mosley?

  Lady Bunny, what's going on?

• 1:09:00Speaker 04

  Listen, you can't, you can't torment seniors with social media. I am on Instagram at official underscore lady underscore bunny. And please join me to talk shit about everyone. We have loved talking shit with you, Monet, and I have a podcast. We just got started chatting on the phone during COVID and said, let's turn this into a podcast. It's so much fun and, and getting to know you was a blast. You are outrageous.

• 1:09:26Laci Mosley?

  You guys are fantastic. As always, guys, snitch on your friends and family at scamgoddesspod at gmail dot com. If you want to follow me and my shenanigans, D I V A L A C I D, Lacy on all platforms except for TikTok, where I'm Lacey Mosley. And Paramount Plus, iCarly, season two, streaming now. You can also get into RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars at the same damn time. Season two of Black Ladies Sketch Show, you can find my black ass there. I'm not on season three, stop asking.

• 1:09:52Laci Mosley?

  Congregation, stay Schemin.

• 1:09:58Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargbo, engineered by Marina Faez, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay scheming.

• 1:10:14Laci Mosley?

  This has been a Team Coco production.

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