The Advice Hour

Amanda and Sean went live on YouTube to give you, the people, life advice. They answered questions about how to confront smelly friends, whether you can base a romantic relationship on a mutual passion for cinema, how to incorporate movies into wedding speeches, and much more. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Producers: Jack Sanders and John Richter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:38Sean Fennessey?

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• 2:00Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fantasy.

• 2:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 2:02Sean Fennessey?

  And this is The Big Picture Live, a conversation show about your problems and our solutions. We are coming to you live on YouTube and soon to your podcast listening spaces.

• 2:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 2:14Sean Fennessey?

  Because we did not have an idea for an episode, so we came up with an advice episode.

• 2:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. Also, it was Father's Day. Happy Father's Day.

• 2:21Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you so much.

• 2:21Amanda Dobbins?

  And you didn't want to have to prep.

• 2:23Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 2:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I had a real panic moment last night at like 9:15 when I thought that we were doing a double header today and there was a movie that I was supposed to watch and I spent all yesterday, you know, trying to parent so that my husband could have a Father's Day.

• 2:38Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, you crammed for a pod.

• 2:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't. Then I checked the schedule.

• 2:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 2:42Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 2:42Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that's a relief.

• 2:42Amanda Dobbins?

  The spreadsheet is always there for me.

• 2:44Sean Fennessey?

  Fortunately, this design worked out perfectly. We have been receiving emails

• 2:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:49Sean Fennessey?

  for, for days now. Jack Sanders has been compiling them. We're also, we've got a chat going here.

• 2:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Can we go to the chat right away? Because right before we started, you read something and I, I want to go straight to our people.

• 3:01Sean Fennessey?

  You want to start with this first question in the chat?

• 3:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, it's desperate people and also if you're taking time out of your life to be posting that in the chat before we go live.

• 3:13Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 3:13Amanda Dobbins?

  You're in need.

• 3:14Sean Fennessey?

  So we can absolutely do that.

• 3:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 3:17Sean Fennessey?

  Um, this already is throwing off Jack Sanders' plan.

• 3:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:20Sean Fennessey?

  But that's, that's okay. Honestly, I think it's great.

• 3:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought this was live. I thought we were vibing.

• 3:24Sean Fennessey?

  We, we are and it is.

• 3:25Amanda Dobbins?

  We can see Jack on the screen.

• 3:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Hi, Jack.

• 3:28Amanda Dobbins?

  You look great.

• 3:29Sean Fennessey?

  Um, last time we were doing this, we both had cocktails in front of us.

• 3:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Sean Fennessey?

  This time it's 9:30 in the morning.

• 3:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I got my iced coffee with real dairy. I just, uh, taught Sean about, um, hot girls do dairy.

• 3:41Sean Fennessey?

  Don't know, still don't know what that is. You said those words, but I don't know what that is.

• 3:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Or hot girls whole milk. I mean, I don't like totally know what it is. And what I said to you was like, I never left, you know?

• 3:49Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 3:50Amanda Dobbins?

  The real hot girls just stayed with dairy because I can digest it.

• 3:53Sean Fennessey?

  Who were the proponents? Like, who were the authors of this movement?

• 3:56Amanda Dobbins?

  TikTok, obviously, you know?

• 3:58Sean Fennessey?

  Obviously.

• 3:58Amanda Dobbins?

  And I think like, you know, younger women who post.

• 4:00Sean Fennessey?

  Got it. Well, there was a younger woman, I think in our chat who posted something very important to you. And the first question that you would like to answer is, Amanda, comma.

• 4:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 4:08Sean Fennessey?

  What do I do about the four month sleep regression?

• 4:11Amanda Dobbins?

  This is, this is tough stuff. Okay, so for all the people watching who don't know what the four month sleep regression is, including, I guess, everyone in our booth, you know? It's important to teach the next generation.

• 4:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Four month sleep regression is when your child, your newborn, hits four months and forgets how to sleep. And then the whole house forgets how to sleep and it's really dire. And-

• 4:36Sean Fennessey?

  Did that happen to you on this go around?

• 4:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, so here's the thing, is that four month sleep regression is like a very famous one. And if you Google four month sleep regression Reddit, you know, like lots of posts. It is sort of in the textbook, but the reality is, is like this sleep regression can happen at any time. And if you Google however many months, something sleep regression Reddit, you find a community of parents who can't sleep and who are freaking out, bless them, you know? So-

• 5:04Sean Fennessey?

  What did you learn from them?

• 5:05Amanda Dobbins?

  What did I learn from them? I mean, it's a little bit, you gotta trust yourself, right? And you gotta do what's best for you because at some point, teaching your kid to sleep, it's good for them, but it's also about you. So if you can handle letting him cry it out, which, and listen, like even yesterday, we put Si down to sleep, he's eight months now. He's like a pretty good sleeper, but when he doesn't wanna sleep, he is so mad. He screams so loud, like imagine me as loud and angry as I get and then times five and that's Si.

• 5:42Sean Fennessey?

  Imagine that.

• 5:43Amanda Dobbins?

  And imagine it, okay? And like, I can't bear it, you know? Like you just can't listen to the screaming, there's something biological. So I went in and I held him, right? You know, and if that's what you need to do, do that. But I would say, I would say make the choices for you. So if you wanna let him cry it out or her cry it out- Because you need some sleep. Also, this is when noise machines really help for your own life. Do that. If you need to go comfort them, you can do that as well. I think we're all just trying to get through and get as much sleep as we can. So I really just wanted to say I support you, you know?

• 6:20Sean Fennessey?

  You went full Dr. Becky. That was incredible. I didn't know you had that in you. I've not seen you do that before.

• 6:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess you have like blocked this out at this point. I'm closer to it. I just, I just did it again, but like-

• 6:31Sean Fennessey?

  The hardest one for us was actually, that era was very difficult. We did have tons of sleep regression. Alice napped on me for a year.

• 6:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 6:40Sean Fennessey?

  As often as she could. However-

• 6:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Just like Ben Affleck. Did you see Jennifer Garner posted Happy Father's Day? And it was like a photo of Ben Affleck with one of the tiny babies sleeping on his chest. And she's like, Happy Father's Day to three like people's like favorite landing place or something. Really sweet.

• 6:58Sean Fennessey?

  That's nice, but she was not one of those three people.

• 7:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. I don't think so. Ultimately, it was their children.

• 7:02Sean Fennessey?

  Their children. Got it. Sad. It's an American tragedy.

• 7:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe, maybe it's hopeful. Maybe they have parents in their lives, you know?

• 7:10Sean Fennessey?

  I will tell you the thing that flummoxed to me the most was the transition from crib to bed.

• 7:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:16Sean Fennessey?

  Because then they can just get up.

• 7:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:19Sean Fennessey?

  Whenever they want. And sometimes that's three o'clock in the morning and they just start banging on the door.

• 7:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because obviously, well-

• 7:26Sean Fennessey?

  If there's not a lock on the door.

• 7:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, there is. I'm gonna be honest, like, we're just, we're telling truths here. For safety reasons, my son is locked in that door, you know?

• 7:34Sean Fennessey?

  The same. It's true in our house.

• 7:35Amanda Dobbins?

  What are you gonna do? Because we went out, you know, one morning-

• 7:38Sean Fennessey?

  They'll go out the front door.

• 7:39Amanda Dobbins?

  At like 5:00 AM, Zach went downstairs and I was just like, hey dad, what's up? Just, and we have a lot of stairs in our house. Yeah. You know, he's figured out all the childproofing. He could open cabinets.

• 7:51Sean Fennessey?

  I'm sure there will be more parenting questions as we go, but Jack has prepared some specific questions for you.

• 7:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, I was just saying, like, I think, I remember what it's like. It's a very vulnerable time, those first six months. It's really, really, really intense. And I was just there. So I see you, you know?

• 8:06Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you very much, anonymous person in the chat. Keep asking deeply personal questions in the chat. Amanda will address them when she can. Okay, Jack, where did you want to start this conversation?

• 8:17Speaker 03

  Well, here's the thing, Sean. Due to some technical difficulties, our viewers at home can currently not listen to me. So, I think we are currently on the fly figuring this out in real time. And due to the manic episode that is today, I'm gonna let you guys drive. I prepped a doc.

• 8:34Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  Lots of people submitted great ideas.

• 8:36Sean Fennessey?

  Alright.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  I'll stitch this into the episode, but you guys can cook.

• 8:39Sean Fennessey?

  I will, just to communicate for the world out there, Jack Sanders cannot be heard on the livestream.

• 8:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 8:45Sean Fennessey?

  So, we're gonna drive this conversation.

• 8:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Alright.

• 8:48Sean Fennessey?

  Thankfully, he has poured lots of questions into the document already, and then we're just gonna jump in the chat. We're gonna hang out with people, and we're gonna see what happens.

• 8:54Amanda Dobbins?

  That's gonna be great.

• 8:54Sean Fennessey?

  But let's, let's, Jack wanted to start with a very specific kind of question for you. This being an Amanda for discussion.

• 9:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 9:01Sean Fennessey?

  Kristin asks, "I just turned 38 and have been trying to revamp my skincare routine. I don't use retinol, but should I start? I moved to Florida a few years ago from the Northeast and I'm in the sun a lot more. So, I'm worried the risks will outweigh the benefits even with sunscreen. Also, do red light masks work?"

• 9:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Here we go. The conversation I've been waiting for my whole life.

• 9:22Sean Fennessey?

  Fire away.

• 9:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so I'm gonna answer the specific ones first. Um, Kristin, thank you so much. Happy birthday. Um, I hope Florida's treating you well. It seems a little daisy down there. Okay, well, I don't know. Listen, I'm just trying to speak to the people, you know?

• 9:37Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely.

• 9:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm making connections.

• 9:39Sean Fennessey?

  This, this, Kristin's name is spelled like Kristen Press, formerly of the US Women's National Team.

• 9:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you think it's her?

• 9:44Sean Fennessey?

  It could be her.

• 9:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you know what retinol is, Sean Fennessey?

• 9:46Sean Fennessey?

  Don't know.

• 9:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so, retinol is, I, like, basically a class of products related to vitamin A. And so, it does, it's supposed to encourage skin cell, like, turnover very quickly. So, it's supposed to help with fine lines, just refreshing, but it's, it's, it's like, kinda the premier anti-aging ingredient.

• 10:07Sean Fennessey?

  You're like, kind of usually a normal person, but then something like this comes up and you immediately start talking like a character in Total Recall.

• 10:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you understand, there is like, again, it's like the hot girls do, you know, do dairy situation. There is a whole segment of the population out there who's vibing with me right now. And maybe they don't listen to this podcast, but maybe this is how I reach them. And I'm also trying to educate you because you exfoliate too much. Anyway, retinol's like, it's, it's not a physical exfoliant. It's more of like a chemical exfoliant, but it's doing the same thing where it's trying to get you like new skin because your old skin is like wizened and wrinkled and like miserable, right?

• 10:45Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 10:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. So retinol, like, everyone thinks they hit thirty, thirty-five, whatever. And they're like, okay, now it's time for the retinol to give me a baby face. And like, as skincare has gotten, you know, become more of an internet thing, you know, as like we all, it's a hobby of everyone. I feel like everyone jumps on it more quickly. I'm gonna be honest, Kristin, I was using retinol for a while, then I had to stop because you're not supposed to use it while you're pregnant. And I think my skin's a lot better and is breaking out less. And so I no longer use retinol. And I do think we're sort of like over retinol as a society. I'm just putting it out there. Now, I think there are a lot

• 11:30Amanda Dobbins?

  of people for whom it works, but if you don't feel like it's working for you, that's okay. There are other things that, you know, you can do. I like, I tried Bakuchal. I don't know what that is. I'm not doing it. Also, it was like, that's a natural retinol alternative, but it was marketed for like pregnant women. So it was like, you know, mama retinol or whatever. And I'm out on that.

• 11:53Sean Fennessey?

  That's not something you enjoy.

• 11:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah. If you're selling me something, don't call me mama. So that's where I am on retinol. Obviously, if you're using retinol, you gotta be doing the sunscreen, which you're in Florida, so you have to be doing it anyway. I recently got in some trouble with a jam session listener because she didn't think that I was using sunscreen enough. And I just want to say I am using it.

• 12:15Sean Fennessey?

  You got in trouble?

• 12:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Every, yeah, she DM'd me and she was like, it's really important that you wear sunscreen every day. Do you wear sunscreen?

• 12:21Sean Fennessey?

  Was it Hillary Clinton? Who was it who DM'd you?

• 12:22Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it was a very nice woman.

• 12:24Sean Fennessey?

  I do, we talked about this. Yeah.

• 12:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's in your moisturizer. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 12:29Sean Fennessey?

  I have to because there's a long history of melanoma in my family.

• 12:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 12:33Sean Fennessey?

  People are wondering why I'm so pale. There's a very good reason for why I'm so pale.

• 12:36Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's hugely important. I do wear sunscreen every day. Well, I'm not wearing it right now because we're inside.

• 12:42Amanda Dobbins?

  But once I'm done here, I'm gonna, you know, go out. And what I will be wearing, the new Merit tinted sunscreen is really good. I just want to let you guys know.

• 12:51Sean Fennessey?

  I don't really know what that is. Can we go back a step?

• 12:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. LED masks? What?

• 12:55Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you can answer that if you want to, but this is related to the masks and all this care.

• 13:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:02Sean Fennessey?

  You're an accomplished woman.

• 13:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:04Sean Fennessey?

  You know, you're a mother, you're a star, you're a professional in your space.

• 13:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I have to drink a lot of water because I'm doing infrared workout class later.

• 13:11Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, thank you for sharing. You're obviously like leaning hard into a future as an influencer, which I quite honestly respect.

• 13:22Amanda Dobbins?

  What else are we gonna do with our lives? Look around.

• 13:24Sean Fennessey?

  I'm doing my version of it, of course.

• 13:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:27Sean Fennessey?

  But why is the retention of the way you look now ultimately meaningful? I think of you as a confident person.

• 13:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 13:39Sean Fennessey?

  I think of you as a person who doesn't really worry too much about what other people think.

• 13:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's true.

• 13:44Sean Fennessey?

  And I understand that there's like pride in personal beauty.

• 13:48Amanda Dobbins?

  As we said, as we said when we were talking about the flyaways earlier, which is just like, I'm really, really in it. Because I don't know if you guys know this, when you have a kid afterwards, a lot of your hair falls out. And then it grows back like this. So I'm going through that and the only way out is through. But I am self-conscious about it, but it's because of me, not because of other people.

• 14:09Sean Fennessey?

  What, like what happened? Like because you live in a society? Like what is it that transpired?

• 14:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I do also think because we have to see our faces all the damn time now because of this and because of this, you know? And I'm like, I'm on, we're on YouTube, so it's your fault, really.

• 14:23Sean Fennessey?

  I did not make this decision. So this keeps being blamed on me. I accept zero responsibility.

• 14:28Amanda Dobbins?

  But I do think generally it's because we're all just looking at our faces all the time because we have cameras with us constantly. And I don't, I don't think it's good.

• 14:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 14:38Amanda Dobbins?

  So I'm doing the best I can to stay me while also, I don't know, acknowledge the reality of my situation. Sunscreen is just for health, as you said.

• 14:48Sean Fennessey?

  I had a chilling moment with my daughter yesterday.

• 14:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:51Sean Fennessey?

  We were hanging out. Father's Day and everything, she's been incredibly kind to me all day. It was very, very emotionally touching. I think she got a real pep talk from her mom.

• 14:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's cute.

• 14:59Sean Fennessey?

  And then after like a really sweet stretch of time where we're just having a long conversation, um, she said, Dad, that man has blonde hair like I have blonde hair.

• 15:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 15:09Sean Fennessey?

  And I said, Alice, what hair color do I have? And she said, you have gray hair.

• 15:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:14Sean Fennessey?

  I said, I have gray hair, but do I have another color hair? And she said, yes, black.

• 15:20Sean Fennessey?

  Which like I don't, but I do now.

• 15:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 15:23Sean Fennessey?

  My, my brown has gone black a little bit.

• 15:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Like at the roots?

• 15:28Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, I think it's just, I think it's the collision of the, the gray and the-

• 15:31Amanda Dobbins?

  It's so it's like a contrast thing?

• 15:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And so like, there is something, I'm usu- I usually don't care about getting older. I usually am kind of comfortable. I was very comfortable getting to 40, for example. But now as I creep towards 50 and I get into like old dad territory, like I'm often like an older dad on the playground. Not the oldest here in Los Angeles, who've got plenty of 50, 60 something bothers.

• 15:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm one of the older parents at preschool, which is a little sobering every time I realize it.

• 15:55Sean Fennessey?

  I have like literal generation gap with some of the parents where they like, don't know my reference points. It's kind of like the listeners of the show, honestly.

• 16:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Ah.

• 16:03Sean Fennessey?

  Where I'm like, I'm talking to a 32 year old on the playground, like at school and I'm like, what do we?

• 16:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:08Sean Fennessey?

  We don't have as much in common as I would have hoped.

• 16:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:10Sean Fennessey?

  Anyway, um, comes at you fast.

• 16:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:12Sean Fennessey?

  So I'm sensitive to your, your desire to retain.

• 16:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 16:16Sean Fennessey?

  Let's, let's ask a question from Luke.

• 16:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Although Jack did let us know that he's back. You're back, Jack?

• 16:22Amanda Dobbins?

  False news. Do you want us?

• 16:23Speaker 03

  I am back.

• 16:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Do you want to read?

• 16:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll read.

• 16:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, go.

• 16:29Speaker 03

  Luke asks, I recently got dumped by a girl named Amanda. I need Amanda to recommend some movies to help me get over Amanda. In the past few days, I've watched Blue Valentine, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind and Past Lives. How can we help out our sad boy Luke?

• 16:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Well, I mean, this sucks. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Luke, you know?

• 16:49Sean Fennessey?

  What, what is Luke doing? Why are we watching Past Lives and Blue Valentine?

• 16:53Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what? I, okay, you went straight there. I'm leading with empathy. I, I did have a similar thought. I, so we received this question on a Friday.

• 17:02Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 17:02Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 17:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 17:03Amanda Dobbins?

  It's now Monday.

• 17:04Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 17:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I would say that that's enough walling, right? You know, and there is, there is some acceptance.

• 17:11Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed.

• 17:11Amanda Dobbins?

  You need some time to just like feel bad about it and let the world. But I, I would gently suggest to Luke, as you not so gently did, that it is time to move past the walling.

• 17:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 17:25Amanda Dobbins?

  To take back. And you listen, we don't know the circumstances. Like, I don't know whether this was, you know, like a two week thing. I don't know whether this is like, if it's, if it was like five years, if, you know, then.

• 17:37Sean Fennessey?

  I recently got to, oh, how long they've been together?

• 17:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 17:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 17:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Because.

• 17:41Sean Fennessey?

  You think it was his wife of 40 years?

• 17:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, there's like, I think it's from Sex and the City, that thing where it's like, you have to grieve the relationship for exactly half, for half as long as it was. So one weekend.

• 17:53Sean Fennessey?

  That's a terrible rule.

• 17:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it is, and I believe.

• 17:56Sean Fennessey?

  What if you're a middle aged person who's getting divorced?

• 17:57Amanda Dobbins?

  If it's Sex and the City, then I think that that was like some Charlotte advice, which is how you know that things are not really, shouldn't be following the rules.

• 18:06Sean Fennessey?

  Always loved Kristen Davis, though.

• 18:07Amanda Dobbins?

  You watch An Angels Like That?

• 18:08Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, I would never.

• 18:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean.

• 18:10Sean Fennessey?

  I would never.

• 18:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well, we'll do that later. So I want to give him space, but yeah, I think it's time to move on. I think it's time for you, Luke, to start doing things that make you feel good.

• 18:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 18:21Amanda Dobbins?

  You know? So what movies make you happy and feel good is like sort of, you know, it's a little tailored to you. I, I, I think we have a little bit of, you know, Letterboxd Boy here in us. It was the Blue Valentine and the Eternal Sunshine that, you know.

• 18:35Sean Fennessey?

  They gave it away.

• 18:36Amanda Dobbins?

  They really gave it away. So your mileage may vary. I mean, you know, Heat was the first thing that came to mind.

• 18:41Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 18:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, movies that make me feel good. I mean, they're like buckets, right? So like classic romantic comedies, you know, Bringing Up Baby, Lady Eve. I really like Pat and Mike, but all of the Spencer, Tracy, Katherine Hepburn ones.

• 18:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Obviously, all the musicals from the 50s. Um, if Gene Kelly's in it, you're gonna, you're gonna feel good. Uh, let's see. I really like Agatha Christie movies from the 70s.

• 19:11Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 19:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I'm, I'm guessing that that's not gonna be your vibe, but you know, like, know your tastes. Legal thrillers from the 90s, another one, you know, you're, if it's John Grisham related. Uh, I think it'll make you feel bad, but then justice is usually served. So maybe that'll make you feel good. I don't know, watch John Wick if you want, like, whatever, the, the whole series, you know, have a marathon.

• 19:33Sean Fennessey?

  Can I tell you what my recent, um, emotional buoy has been when I'm having a tough time?

• 19:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 19:39Sean Fennessey?

  Tenet.

• 19:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 19:42Sean Fennessey?

  Just fire up Tenet and just let it pour over you, let it wash over you like a warm bath. There's no characters named Amanda in that movie, which is where you wanna start. You know, you don't wanna watch Can't Hardly Wait.

• 19:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I mean, that's the only, Amanda, yeah.

• 19:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 19:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's the only one.

• 19:56Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there was the film Amanda from, uh, 2023, the Italian film.

• 20:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that is a good one.

• 20:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but don't watch that either if you were dating an Amanda.

• 20:04Amanda Dobbins?

  And there's a classic, like, classic film Amanda, but I can't remember now.

• 20:09Sean Fennessey?

  I can't recall either.

• 20:10Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay. Generally, we haven't covered ourselves with Lori.

• 20:13Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Luke, I'm very sorry.

• 20:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:16Sean Fennessey?

  Him mentioning past lives is funny. I did wanna just.

• 20:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, does anyone wanna like write in with their, you know, emotional trauma about having seen past lives? Do you know how many, like, bewildered to angry text messages I got this weekend? I mean, materialists. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:31Sean Fennessey?

  Just, just for our purposes, kind of an amazing weekend.

• 20:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:35Sean Fennessey?

  Where like, everyone in our lives caught up with materialists.

• 20:37Amanda Dobbins?

  And I was like, what, what?

• 20:39Sean Fennessey?

  What the fuck is this? Um, which has been amusing. Uh, I think, I like how we approached our discussion on the episode. There have been, I have seen two wildly different reactions. I have seen the, like, pretty typical, obvious, because there's famous people in it that people like, the standing stuff. Or people are just like, no matter what, how good or not good the movie is, I love it.

• 20:57Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 20:58Sean Fennessey?

  There's been less of that relative to the. In my Marxist view of society, this movie should be destroyed and sent to Marx.

• 21:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 21:07Sean Fennessey?

  And I find that funny.

• 21:09Amanda Dobbins?

  That is a funny reaction.

• 21:11Sean Fennessey?

  A lot, lot of criticism that seems very agitated by not just the, you know, wooden performances and some of the

• 21:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:18Sean Fennessey?

  overwritten dialogue that you talked about, but the like, point of view of the film.

• 21:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 21:24Sean Fennessey?

  Which I think is a little bit of a reach personally. I think people heard that there was a character who worked in private equity and they were like, not in my movie that he does not. Pedro Pascal will never work in private equity in my dreams.

• 21:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it does also, um, you know, miss like the entire history of, uh, Western literature, pretty much. But, uh, that's, which again, you're welcome to have

• 21:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 21:47Amanda Dobbins?

  an issue with all of that. You know what I'm reading right now?

• 21:50Sean Fennessey?

  What are you reading?

• 21:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm reading Libra by Don DeLillo, which is just, which, you know.

• 21:56Sean Fennessey?

  I'm stunned.

• 21:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I was, I was looking for a new book.

• 21:59Sean Fennessey?

  That's great.

• 22:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess, you know, it was, it was there on the shelf because of who I'm married to. Um, I guess that is, that's maybe Libra is, uh, the book I would recommend to you if you, uh, were disappointed with the, the Marxist, uh, underpinnings of

• 22:17Sean Fennessey?

  Didn't like materialists?

• 22:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Libra by Don DeLillo.

• 22:20Sean Fennessey?

  Read about the ultimate conspiracy in the American consciousness. Uh, okay. I'm glad we got that off our chest.

• 22:25Amanda Dobbins?

  But otherwise literature, you know, that's kind of how it's, how it's been going.

• 22:28Sean Fennessey?

  Materialists, they bait and switched a lot of people. I think that movie actually made a pretty good amount of money over the weekend. One of the biggest eight 24 opening weekends ever, but then pretty much everybody I talked to was like, what the fuck was that? Uh, okay. Let's go to our next question.

• 22:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Apparently they can't hear us. They can't hear Jack again.

• 22:43Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. They can't hear Jack. So I'll read Joshua's question.

• 22:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you think we need, Jack, should we reread Luke's question? Or do you think they got the gist of it?

• 22:52Sean Fennessey?

  They got it.

• 22:52Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 22:53Sean Fennessey?

  Joshua says,

• 22:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm gonna hydrate here.

• 22:55Sean Fennessey?

  "Two years ago, my wife and I moved to a new part of the country with our newborn and quickly fell into a wonderful friend group. We're all peers, we all have kids around the same age, and we all get along really well. Here's the issue. One couple in the group, who we really love, are just smelly people. They stink.

• 23:15Amanda Dobbins?

  This is incredible.

• 23:16Sean Fennessey?

  And as summer has heated up, they've taken to cycling over to our house to hang out. It goes without saying, but this is completely intolerable. These stinky people are sitting on my furniture, getting their funk into my walls and floors. They have no clue, and no other friend has brought it up privately to me. I'm desperate to not offend them and throw off the group dynamic, and they're amazing people, truly great friends, but this just can't go on. How do I, A, address this issue? And get them to change without hating me? Or, B, neutralize the stink strategically? Help me, Sean and Amanda, you're my only hope."

• 23:50Amanda Dobbins?

  So, sometimes for like advice columns, you wonder, is this made up? You know, this, this is so specific and elegant, Josh, this is very real, and Joshua, I'm with you.

• 24:00Sean Fennessey?

  I'm sorry, Joshua.

• 24:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I, this is your worst nightmare, so I really want to hear what you would do.

• 24:06Sean Fennessey?

  I, I try to have an invisible scent. I'm not saying that I always do. I'm a big coffee drinker, so naturally I have coffee breath sometimes. But my, my intention

• 24:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 24:17Sean Fennessey?

  is I wear deodorant, but I don't wear cologne.

• 24:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 24:19Sean Fennessey?

  And I wanna, I wanna move through the world

• 24:22Amanda Dobbins?

  And not smell.

• 24:22Sean Fennessey?

  Like a shadow.

• 24:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 24:23Sean Fennessey?

  I don't want to smell, I don't want to make a lot of noise. I want to just quickly exit and enter wherever I need to be.

• 24:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 24:31Sean Fennessey?

  And anybody who does the opposite, I find kind of annoying. Incredibly loud people.

• 24:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:36Sean Fennessey?

  And especially people that smell bad.

• 24:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 24:39Sean Fennessey?

  Now, if you smell, if you, if you're wearing cologne or perfume.

• 24:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 24:42Sean Fennessey?

  I have no problem with that, obviously.

• 24:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, though I, we are getting

• 24:44Sean Fennessey?

  It's aggressive.

• 24:45Amanda Dobbins?

  The, the scent thing, especially at like movies, theater performances, anything in clothes and myrrh, I, I, people gotta dial that back a little.

• 24:52Sean Fennessey?

  It can be a little overwhelming.

• 24:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 24:55Sean Fennessey?

  In this scenario.

• 24:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 24:56Sean Fennessey?

  I would be very unhappy. Particularly this, like, you're sitting on my couch thing, you know, like your stink is getting into my.

• 25:02Amanda Dobbins?

  My number one thing is like, is outside an option?

• 25:05Sean Fennessey?

  That, that's a good immediate solution.

• 25:07Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, that's kinda, that's where I am. Can we like set things?

• 25:10Sean Fennessey?

  Let's get some porch life.

• 25:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Outside and also you gotta like prep in advance, you know, you gotta think and this like, I guess that goes into party planning of set things up so you can drive the traffic to like mostly keep people outside. Cause I, you know, I think maybe you could speak to another friend in the group.

• 25:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 25:31Amanda Dobbins?

  And see if anyone else is noticing it, but I don't think you can ever directly speak to them about it.

• 25:35Sean Fennessey?

  I have a couple of additions to this.

• 25:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:38Sean Fennessey?

  Swimming?

• 25:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure, but that's access to a body of water, which is like pretty difficult, you know?

• 25:45Sean Fennessey?

  We don't know Joshua's circumstances. If there is some sort of pool environment and you have children.

• 25:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 25:50Sean Fennessey?

  I would pursue that socially. Sprinkler.

• 25:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Water table?

• 25:53Sean Fennessey?

  You wanna have a, a sprinkler party? That's actually pretty funny.

• 25:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean.

• 25:57Sean Fennessey?

  That's one way to alleviate the stink.

• 25:59Amanda Dobbins?

  All of the time.

• 26:00Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think this is a situation where the stinky people just have intense pheromones that are brutal? Or are they just non-deodorizers?

• 26:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, so the natural deodorant fad is part of the discussion. Are you, yeah, are you on it? I, so I am, but I'm on like the powerful natural deodorant and I think it's, no, I think it's pretty good.

• 26:22Sean Fennessey?

  Big, big Maha energy over here.

• 26:24Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I'm really, really not it. I'm not Maha. Like, fuck that, honestly. Si hasn't even gotten his measles vaccine yet. Like truly like fuck those people. It's dangerous. Um, but many people do do natural deodorant and it has varying degrees of efficacy.

• 26:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, here's, here's the, the key idea. Can you casually work into discussion with these people? Hey, I got a new deodorant and I'm loving it and make an active recommendation to someone without insinuating anything. Maybe you have a whole line of things that you wanna talk about, right? Like I use Malin and Getz deodorant.

• 27:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Oh, you do?

• 27:03Sean Fennessey?

  I love Malin and Getz in general, yeah. And it's one of my few fancy things.

• 27:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:08Sean Fennessey?

  And I've been loyal to it for a very long time and I'm loyal to many of the products that they make.

• 27:12Amanda Dobbins?

  That I do know about you.

• 27:13Sean Fennessey?

  And.

• 27:15Sean Fennessey?

  I could just say in the course of conversation, if I were over at your house, you know, like I'm loving this new, the bergamot.

• 27:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 27:22Sean Fennessey?

  Deodorant.

• 27:23Amanda Dobbins?

  The bergamot?

• 27:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 27:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:24Sean Fennessey?

  That's one of the deodorants that they sell. And.

• 27:27Amanda Dobbins?

  What bergamot is like citrus related?

• 27:30Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know.

• 27:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Or death.

• 27:31Sean Fennessey?

  I know it can be used in cooking.

• 27:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 27:34Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, I think eucalyptus is the other option.

• 27:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Orange, bergamot, orange, okay.

• 27:38Sean Fennessey?

  Citrus, okay.

• 27:39Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go.

• 27:40Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I don't use bergamot, I use eucalyptus nevertheless.

• 27:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I use mega babe Sontal.

• 27:45Sean Fennessey?

  Mega babe Sontal?

• 27:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Mega babe is great. I really like all of their products. Mega babe is like a company started by my favorite influencer, Katie Starino. And. She's great and they have deodorant, they have like anti-chafing stuff, they've got very good hand sanitizer.

• 28:06Sean Fennessey?

  I would one day like to be described the way that Katie is.

• 28:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, explain.

• 28:09Sean Fennessey?

  She's described as a New York based entrepreneur, author and body acceptance advocate.

• 28:13Amanda Dobbins?

  She is a body acceptance advocate. She just designed some.

• 28:16Sean Fennessey?

  It's nice.

• 28:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, swimwear and she has an, anyway, I'm a huge fan of Katie.

• 28:20Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 28:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, and I think her deodorant is actually really good. They have a whole line anyway. And it works, but I, I hear what you're saying. Can you set up a gifting suite? You know, like.

• 28:31Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm. Good idea.

• 28:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Weren't we her Sean, we could say, hey, guess what? Old Spice is sponsoring us this month and they sent us this whole huge box of stuff and Chris Ryan didn't want any of it. Would anyone like some free deodorant? You know?

• 28:48Sean Fennessey?

  That would be a good move.

• 28:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I think outside is your only move.

• 28:51Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 28:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 28:52Sean Fennessey?

  That's really, man, Joshua, I'm sorry.

• 28:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Or I guess you could say, especially if they're cycling and as it gets hotter in the summer. Um, you can be like, like, hey, are you guys hot? Like, do you want to shout? You know, you could do it and offer in like a friendly way. It'd be like, you must be very uncomfortable. Like, let me know if you want to, you know, use the facilities.

• 29:12Sean Fennessey?

  I think having self-knowledge of one's odor.

• 29:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:18Sean Fennessey?

  Is a bit crucial.

• 29:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:19Sean Fennessey?

  To life.

• 29:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 29:20Sean Fennessey?

  And it's something people should care about and in an organized society, if you live in a commune.

• 29:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 29:25Sean Fennessey?

  Where no one takes care of their own odor, that's understandable. I get it.

• 29:28Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 29:29Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, let's go, let's go to Julian.

• 29:33Sean Fennessey?

  Julian asks,

• 29:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, this is nice.

• 29:34Sean Fennessey?

  "I'm the best man at a wedding next month, and I've been trying to figure out my speech. The groom, bride, and I are all huge movie fans. So my question is, should I incorporate a movie into the speech or not at all? Do I pick one and even build the speech around its central theme? Also, any general advice you have for giving a speech like this, let me know."

• 29:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 29:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, so to start with the movie thing.

• 29:58Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:01Amanda Dobbins?

  The thing is, is that you're giving the speech to the entire wedding and not just to these people.

• 30:07Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:07Amanda Dobbins?

  So you don't want to do anything too niche because, and you don't want to do anything too involved. Because you want to bring everybody on the ride, you know? And the speeches of this nature that always fall flat for me are like a list of, you know, 14, like, inside jokes.

• 30:24Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Just remembering a really good speech. Like Sisters of the Groom gave a speech last year, cousins of mine. And they read the instructions that their overbearing brother, who I love so much, hi, Daniel, sent them for the speech, which were really funny. And it was like, "Avoid inside jokes. Keep it relatively..." And they did a great job. But I do think that's true. You don't want to be like too text-based.

• 30:52Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I think if it's like a pretty well-known movie, or if you want to do like one quote or like one reference and like build from there, I think that's nice. It's a shared thing that you all guys, that you guys all have. But like, you know, don't be like reenacting My Best Friend's Wedding or whatever. You know, on a number of levels, don't be reenacting My Best Friend's Wedding.

• 31:14Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed, agreed. I...

• 31:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Though ultimately, she gives a really good speech, which is like, "You guys don't have a song, so this one's on loan." And it's short and to the point. And then they do the, uh, they do the dance.

• 31:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, my brother at my wedding, in part...

• 31:33Sean Fennessey?

  Sang Leather and Lace.

• 31:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 31:37Sean Fennessey?

  I think as an homage to Will Ferrell's performance of Leather and Lace.

• 31:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 31:41Sean Fennessey?

  And it was beautiful, him and his best friend Steve, who played acoustic guitar.

• 31:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 31:44Sean Fennessey?

  It was not beautiful, but it was very fun.

• 31:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:47Sean Fennessey?

  And that was kinda, sorta, an acknowledgement of an inside joke slash our shared love of Will Ferrell slash

• 31:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 31:55Sean Fennessey?

  Something everyone could enjoy.

• 31:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 31:58Sean Fennessey?

  So I think you need to have a universality to what you're doing.

• 32:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Agree.

• 32:01Sean Fennessey?

  I think if you like wanna do Ezekiel 2517 from Pulp Fiction, I don't think that's gonna go well. I wouldn't, I wouldn't recommend it. If it's really important to the bride and groom, like if Pulp Fiction is their favorite movie of all time, maybe just sprinkle in some, you know, they speak English in what? You know, like, stuff like that, maybe people would appreciate that.

• 32:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 32:23Sean Fennessey?

  In general, I think movie quotes are for dorm rooms, you know, like, they're not, and podcasts, obviously.

• 32:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and or the ceremony. We had, we had readings for movies at my wedding. That's, that's fine, but, um, yeah, I think for these speeches, like, funny anecdotes about the people. And you gotta pick the right one, nothing too embarrassing, but, um.

• 32:46Sean Fennessey?

  Speeches are tough, I haven't given a speech in a while.

• 32:48Amanda Dobbins?

  You gave a very nice one at ours.

• 32:50Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks, I had a run there.

• 32:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:52Sean Fennessey?

  When I was in my 30s, where I was giving a lot of speeches, and I've been de-speechified. Okay, how about one for Amanda?

• 32:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Good luck, pretty, you know, I'm jealous, love a wedding, love a wedding dance floor.

• 33:03Sean Fennessey?

  I'm way out of rotation on weddings now, way out of rotation.

• 33:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I, like, I had my one over Memorial Day, and when the Pink Pony Club hit, like, I just absolutely lost my mind, I was so happy. And then, and then I had to take the early bus home to fly home to my children, but like, for three minutes.

• 33:19Sean Fennessey?

  Moms love Chapel Rowan, they just love Chapel Rowan.

• 33:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Can I tell you something? It was like, it was, it spanned generations, like, all the, you know.

• 33:27Sean Fennessey?

  All the coolest people.

• 33:28Amanda Dobbins?

  The 25-year-old cousins were there, the 30-year-old cousins were there. Old mom was there and then I sprinted to the early bus.

• 33:36Sean Fennessey?

  When we were, when I was in my early 30s, I was working at Grayland and it was like a very hard, very intense time of work and I skipped like probably 10 weddings in that time because I was like, I can't travel, I'm too busy. Huge mistake. My other piece of advice, go to all the weddings. Like you'll figure it out. You'll figure it out with work. You'll figure it out financially. Those are times that cannot be taken from you if you pursue them.

• 34:00Amanda Dobbins?

  There's nothing like it. You can't recreate it in any other phase of life.

• 34:06Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, okay.

• 34:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Love a wedding.

• 34:08Sean Fennessey?

  Brian writes, dear Amanda, can I base a romantic relationship off a mutual passion for cinema? I, 24-year-old male John, recently reconnected with an old high school classmate, 23-year-old female Sarah. She knew I was interested in film and wanted to catch up. We started to see each other casually, watching foreign films at the cinema and hanging out a few times a month. After going to the new Wes Anderson, we went on a walk. I was very prepared to discuss how the Phoenician scheme fits into Wes Anderson's film canon. What I was not prepared to talk about, however, was the future of our relationship. After a brief unpacking of the movie, Sarah told me how she thought what we had was special and that she loved spending time with me. I really didn't think that was where the conversation would go and I kind of panicked. I said, "Cool," and avoided eye contact for about 30 seconds.

• 34:53Sean Fennessey?

  I said I thought she was great and that I appreciated how open and vulnerable she was, but regarding our future, I was in quote, "kind of a weird place." I don't know how much we have besides our passion for movies. I don't know if we'd hang out without it. Am I leading her on? Should I keep seeing her and see if my feelings change? Is this enough to base our relationship on? I don't want to be an emotionally unavailable film, bro. Am I?

• 35:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. Um, okay, listen, listen, listen. Early 20s are hard and when someone is being vulnerable, emotionally vulnerable, I, you know, I understand the panic, okay? Like I understand in the moment, you don't know what to say, you don't know what to do and you don't know how to respond. Many great, you know, dramatic moments in film are based on this, on not saying the right thing in the right moment. So, so that's okay. Listen, we live, we learn, we make mistakes. I would have liked you to be a little more prepared, but it's okay. Like, I, you know, I, I do think that a mutual interest in something and liking spending

• 35:56Amanda Dobbins?

  time with someone is like a pretty good foundation for any sort of relationship. If the spark isn't there, the spark is not there. I, you know, but are you sure the spark isn't there? That is kind of what I'm saying. That's I like, it seems like you were taken a little back. I don't, I don't, I think that cutting her off and ghosting is like a really stupid way to live life. Um, is, is what I would think, is, is what I would say. If you, if you have someone who you like spending time with and you have a shared interest.

• 36:30Sean Fennessey?

  I, let me just give you like a very caveman response.

• 36:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it, the spark's not there, so you're not gonna do it.

• 36:36Sean Fennessey?

  It is Brian into this girl.

• 36:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 36:39Sean Fennessey?

  He's 24.

• 36:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 36:42Sean Fennessey?

  He, he doesn't have to pursue a relationship with somebody he doesn't feel it for.

• 36:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's true, but he's like, should I just like?

• 36:48Sean Fennessey?

  There's plenty of people out there who like movies.

• 36:49Amanda Dobbins?

  He's like, should I run for the hills? And I think that kind of sucks.

• 36:53Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think that Sarah reconnected with John?

• 36:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 36:57Sean Fennessey?

  And used movies as a way to get closer to him because she wanted to be with him? Or is she a real head? Is she like, I also will explore the themes of the Phoenician scheme?

• 37:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Excuse me, uh, why, why does it have to be one or the other?

• 37:11Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just asking a question.

• 37:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Why can't she be interested in movies? You know?

• 37:15Sean Fennessey?

  Well, she can be.

• 37:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, here's the thing, and I, is this another Sex and the City thing? Or is this just something that someone said in life? It's like, and, and this will have to take us back to a time when there were cabs, which I don't think Brian or, or John or Sarah or anyone remembers. But so the way that cabs worked before Uber is that they would drive around and if it was available, the light would be on. And if it was taken or off duty, the light would be off.

• 37:43Amanda Dobbins?

  And, you know, I, I do think this applies especially to men, you know, either like the lights on or the lights off. And it seems like John here, the lights off, you know? And so, and that's on him. And if his light is not on, then I guess he just needs to be upfront about it and move on. But as, as the woman in this situation, you just kind of have to cast around and be like, well, is the light on today or not with this person? So much of it is timing.

• 38:09Sean Fennessey?

  This is so, this is so interesting to me though, because I just, I was never in this life.

• 38:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 38:14Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I never really had any experiences like this. I never, like, the light is on, what the fuck does, I, I was never looking.

• 38:19Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, very famously, like, I don't think that Zach and I would be married if you and Chris hadn't moved. Because there was this thing where like Zach and I met, um, when Sean and Chris still lived in New York, and then you guys moved to LA, like, pretty soon thereafter, um, to, to start Grantland, or to be a part of Grantland. And so then Zach was like, I don't have any friends, so I guess I could date you now? Which is like, he says it's different.

• 38:43Sean Fennessey?

  He didn't say that.

• 38:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but, but.

• 38:46Sean Fennessey?

  Some time freed up. That's okay.

• 38:49Amanda Dobbins?

  He was like, you know, he was just kind of like, well, I guess. Right, it was like, now a different phase in my life starts, you know? A different light is on.

• 38:57Sean Fennessey?

  Zach and I were together like, three to four days a week at that time.

• 39:00Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I remember.

• 39:01Sean Fennessey?

  We were together a lot.

• 39:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So, it's, which is kind of the same thing. It's like, he was like, not really in his place until he's not. And so, maybe it's not that.

• 39:10Sean Fennessey?

  And you were the fair.

• 39:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so, yeah.

• 39:12Sean Fennessey?

  And you've been on a ride ever since.

• 39:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Here we go.

• 39:14Sean Fennessey?

  What's, what's, what's the, how much, what's the fee at this point? How long you've been driving around for 15 years?

• 39:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Forever, yeah. Um, it's maybe not that you're emotionally unavailable. Maybe it's just that your light is not on.

• 39:28Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 39:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess, in that case, are you leaving her on? I don't know. I like, maybe a little, but if you can be upfront about it. I also don't think that

• 39:45Amanda Dobbins?

  you should totally close yourself off. But if you're not into it, you're not into it. And I guess you should be upfront about that, you know, because people can be friends and like movies too.

• 39:52Sean Fennessey?

  I think if you're a real cinephile

• 39:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:55Sean Fennessey?

  and you're attracted to this person

• 39:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:57Sean Fennessey?

  and this person also is like, I like to spend my free time doing this.

• 40:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 40:01Sean Fennessey?

  You gotta give it a shot.

• 40:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree.

• 40:02Sean Fennessey?

  If you're not attracted to this person, don't, don't.

• 40:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 40:04Sean Fennessey?

  That makes no sense.

• 40:05Amanda Dobbins?

  But I, in general, I also do think that more young cinephiles should be using rep culture and Letterboxd culture to get together. I think like

• 40:13Sean Fennessey?

  I think they are.

• 40:14Amanda Dobbins?

  the number one missed opportunity at all the rep theaters is singles nights. Like, let's go. I like, I want to hear the stories. I think it's a perfect place to meet someone. I don't know why that we don't like.

• 40:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there's not a lot of talking involved.

• 40:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, let's facilitate that. You know, they all have bars.

• 40:30Sean Fennessey?

  So you want to do like mixer night at Vidiot?

• 40:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 40:33Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 40:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I like, I like, I think that this is.

• 40:35Sean Fennessey?

  You want to be the Lucy, the Dakota Johnson of this space.

• 40:38Amanda Dobbins?

  No, in no way.

• 40:39Sean Fennessey?

  Materialist two, rep screenings.

• 40:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Will my hair look like that? And will the rest of me look like that? That I would accept. Otherwise, no.

• 40:46Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 40:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But I do think, I think that like a shared interest

• 40:51Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 40:51Amanda Dobbins?

  is a great foundation for something. But you're right. Like, if you're not into it, you're not into it.

• 40:56Sean Fennessey?

  There's so much good chat in, on the YouTube stream.

• 41:00Amanda Dobbins?

  People agree with us or no?

• 41:01Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I think a lot of people were deeply wounded by that message that Brian shared. They were just like, what is this guy's problem?

• 41:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure. Yeah. I mean, because a lot of people have been like 23 and out there.

• 41:11Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of, oh, no, yikes, cool, oof.

• 41:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. That's, it's really, it's really, really tough to be dating and to be single in your twenties.

• 41:20Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, I'm getting a question.

• 41:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Or in your thirties.

• 41:21Sean Fennessey?

  What hair products do you use?

• 41:23Amanda Dobbins?

  You?

• 41:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 41:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. What is the?

• 41:25Sean Fennessey?

  The Japanese teak. We've talked about this. Yeah.

• 41:27Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right.

• 41:28Sean Fennessey?

  Lavender teak.

• 41:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:29Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 41:30Amanda Dobbins?

  But he's got good hair, you know? It's like, that is, it is one of his gifts.

• 41:35Sean Fennessey?

  Uh.

• 41:37Sean Fennessey?

  Beloved New York Mets SNY director John DiMarsico is in the chat.

• 41:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Hi, John.

• 41:43Sean Fennessey?

  John.

• 41:43Amanda Dobbins?

  John, I'm familiar with your work, even though I don't, it's mostly on Twitter that I'm following it.

• 41:49Sean Fennessey?

  John obviously has emerged as genuinely a legend in the last few months.

• 41:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Absolute legend. It's very cute that everyone else has been on the broadcast. I'd love to go see a Mets game at some point.

• 41:57Sean Fennessey?

  This is his question. Hi, how do we get Amanda to a Mets game?

• 42:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I-

• 42:01Sean Fennessey?

  I hear all the cool kids are doing it. Jack was just in Colorado. We saw Wags on television in New York. I was on television in Los Angeles when the Mets were in town for the Dodgers. When are you getting on the big screen?

• 42:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I would love to come to a Mets game. I will be in New York in August. And again, like, the thing is, October, that's playoff season, you know, so I know, and I believe in you guys, but it's like, it's like a hot ticket. I can't be like, please.

• 42:24Sean Fennessey?

  It is a hot ticket.

• 42:25Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, get me in for the, so-

• 42:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I mean, I'll be going for theirs. You know, actually, I did not go. I told you this, like-

• 42:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 42:31Sean Fennessey?

  When I was in town for the New York Film Festival last year, the Mets were playing the Brewers.

• 42:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 42:35Sean Fennessey?

  And I was just incredibly nervous for every single game. And so I didn't go to any games. I just sat quietly in a hotel room, like, near tears, hoping that they would win, and they did win that series.

• 42:42Amanda Dobbins?

  But I love, I love going to baseball games. I recently went to Fenway for the first time, saw a Dobbins start, which was incredible. Um, I really hope that we get to go to a Cubs game when we're in Chicago.

• 42:55Sean Fennessey?

  That's our plan.

• 42:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you guys like did not respond for like 24 hours.

• 42:58Sean Fennessey?

  I was, I was detained on Saturday.

• 43:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I basically have to, like, I guess I just have to schedule a meeting with the two of you to get you to sit down and actually make plans. I know, but it's also, you just, you won't plan unless I, like-

• 43:10Sean Fennessey?

  Chris Ryan and I, you're saying?

• 43:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, unless I just like hold eye contact and I'm like-

• 43:13Sean Fennessey?

  You and Chris make plans and I'll roll with it. That's my whole thing.

• 43:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, but will you be gracious about it?

• 43:18Sean Fennessey?

  Always. I'm, I'm, I'm a gem of a human. Um, let's go back into the chat. What do we see here?

• 43:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 43:25Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm. Guys, no offense, but I'm not answering any questions about Blu-ray players today.

• 43:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:31Sean Fennessey?

  Hey Sean, fellow Telluride goer here. This year will be my sixth trip to the mountain. My question's for you. What's your favorite Telluride memory? What's your favorite screening experience?

• 43:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 43:39Sean Fennessey?

  Very easy. Very early in my first trip to Telluride in 2019, I saw Uncut Gems and roughly half the audience was either mad or walked out.

• 43:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:47Sean Fennessey?

  They were 68-year-old men and women and they hated the movie. But those of us who stayed were treated to a joy. And that was like an interesting indicator of what my time there would be.

• 43:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:57Sean Fennessey?

  That's a very quick one for that. I'm, you have to go to Telluride at some point. Before we're, before we're done doing this show.

• 44:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Hold on. I got, we got one from Michael in the doc. I just discovered I'm going to be in Venice during the Venice Film Festival.

• 44:07Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yes.

• 44:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Can you share any favorite spots you found during your trip? Hey, Michael, me too. Accreditation came through this morning.

• 44:14Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, great.

• 44:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I know, which, you know, I, I was gonna be pretty mad if it didn't. But anyway, uh, my favorite spots. So, I don't, I mean, I don't really have any. I like to stay in Dorso Duro, which is, um, like very close to, so not on the Lido, because I can't afford the Lido. And this is the thing, people who go to Venice for the Biennale, that anything but cinema will tell you to stay on the Lido.

• 44:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 44:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, which is like a separate island. Um, and then, and then commute like back and forth to events. But when the festival is on the Lido, it's kind of all booked up. And so you gotta take the shuttle. But the shuttle's pretty easy from San Marco. And I don't know, like everywhere has Negronis. It's all pretty great. I went to, I think Da'ivo is the name of the George Clooney restaurant. Yeah, that's right.

• 45:03Sean Fennessey?

  George Clooney owns a restaurant in Venice?

• 45:05Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, but he likes it. And he's like regularly like photographed there. Um.

• 45:09Sean Fennessey?

  Can we do a brief rundown of what movies people think are going to Venice?

• 45:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:13Sean Fennessey?

  Because there's an unusual number of US titles.

• 45:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:17Sean Fennessey?

  That are slotted for Venice potentially this year. Those movies include After the Hunt.

• 45:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:21Sean Fennessey?

  Luca's next film. Maybe One Battle After Another.

• 45:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I, like.

• 45:25Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think it's gonna happen.

• 45:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I know you don't think it's gonna happen. I mean, we're arguing about it. I think you're. There is a case because I know the general thing is like you don't want to premiere at a festival, have bad reviews and then have it just like sit there. But it's really only two weeks between Venice and the scheduled release date of one battle after another. So in that sense, don't you want?

• 45:46Sean Fennessey?

  It's like a month. It's like a month. It's September 26th.

• 45:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and that's right. I guess you would want them to be opening night, which would be like August 27. I know, but Leo on the red carpet, like, don't you think, you know, full glitz and glamour?

• 45:59Sean Fennessey?

  Something crazy is going on where I told you this, like, they did more test screenings of the movie and I've got so, I've got like legitimately five or six people in my DMs, like it's sending me plot details and like stuff in the movie. Do not send me any information about that, please. Uh, okay, one battle after another, Catherine Bigelow's White House thriller for Netflix, possibly.

• 46:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:17Sean Fennessey?

  Jay Kelly.

• 46:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm hoping for a Jake. I mean Netflix often goes to Venice because.

• 46:21Sean Fennessey?

  I would guess that that would be Venice and Telluride.

• 46:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:25Sean Fennessey?

  Cause Noel will play movies there too. Caught stealing, the Aronofsky movie, which I don't, I don't, don't think looks very good personally. But, um, Begonia, the new Yorgos movie. He usually premieres his movies at Venice. Smashing Machine, Benny Safdie's next movie with The Rock. Uh, Father, Mother, Brother, Sister, Jim Jarmusch's movie.

• 46:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Invite me to your party.

• 46:43Sean Fennessey?

  Um, Benny, I know you're out there. Thank you. Ballad of a Small Player, Colin Farrell playing poker in Macau.

• 46:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 46:49Sean Fennessey?

  Edward Berger's new movie. Hamnet, Chloe Zhao's.

• 46:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I know I'm stressed out about that, but that also makes sense.

• 46:55Sean Fennessey?

  Frankenstein from Guillermo del Toro. Will you watch it?

• 46:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course.

• 46:59Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Roof Man.

• 47:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I watched Pinocchio. Child Papa, Yo Papa. Here's my other thing about Venice and I did just say, I like.

• 47:07Sean Fennessey?

  There's a bunch more.

• 47:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, Benny Safdie, I'd love to come to your party, but, um, one tip is like, you know, Venice is a series of tiny islands. Um, you don't want to go to a party where you just like are stuck on a random island at 11 o'clock at night in Venice. So for the most part, I would say skip the parties unless you have like a certified ride home. Because then you're just like walking around being like, do I have to swim home? That's my note.

• 47:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

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• 48:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Must have baby products? Let's go.

• 49:00Sean Fennessey?

  Must have baby products?

• 49:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Brett, my wife and I are expecting our first baby. This question is for you both. What are your must have baby products? And which ones did you buy only to not end up using?

• 49:11Amanda Dobbins?

  What do you got? I mean, noise machine, obviously.

• 49:14Sean Fennessey?

  I use a hatch.

• 49:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Oh, you do? Yeah.

• 49:16Sean Fennessey?

  Losing my voice.

• 49:17Amanda Dobbins?

  We use the therapist one.

• 49:19Sean Fennessey?

  What's the therapist one?

• 49:21Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, like the, the white, like standard issue. That's right. You're afraid of therapy. But so those of you, those of you who have found healing will recognize the white voice.

• 49:30Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know what that is. I literally don't know what it is.

• 49:32Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just like the white machine that's sort of optic, you know?

• 49:35Sean Fennessey?

  But what does it have to do with therapy?

• 49:37Amanda Dobbins?

  All therapists use it.

• 49:39Sean Fennessey?

  To do what?

• 49:39Amanda Dobbins?

  To block out the noise in the lobby so you don't have to worry about being overheard. Yeah. So to create like a safe.

• 49:48Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, like they'll play a noise machine during your session?

• 49:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Outside in the lobby where other people are waiting.

• 49:52Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. Okay.

• 49:55Sean Fennessey?

  Gosh, I don't know. Definitely a noise machine.

• 49:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:58Sean Fennessey?

  I really like the Nanette. The monitor is really effective. I still use it to this day.

• 50:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we, we are addicted to our phones, so we opted to not have the monitor on the phone. We just have like the, um, the end, you know, the old school.

• 50:13Sean Fennessey?

  You can hold the camera. Yeah.

• 50:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you can hold the camera.

• 50:15Sean Fennessey?

  Hold the monitor.

• 50:16Amanda Dobbins?

  And with Si, we did upgrade to a split screen, so we can have them both on one.

• 50:20Sean Fennessey?

  Very fancy.

• 50:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, it's really loud though, so then I, and the technology's not great, but I, you know, whatever, a monitor, I guess, according to your needs. Um, one of the carriers.

• 50:33Sean Fennessey?

  We never really used it.

• 50:34Amanda Dobbins?

  You didn't?

• 50:35Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 50:35Amanda Dobbins?

  We used it a ton. Uh, I think that we use Ergo Baby.

• 50:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 50:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, thank you to Sarah and Dan, who are probably listening and gave it to us. Let's see. Uh, stroller?

• 50:49Sean Fennessey?

  Got to have two.

• 50:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, okay.

• 50:51Sean Fennessey?

  Travel stroller and regular house stroller.

• 50:53Amanda Dobbins?

  You do have to have this travel stroller. And this is a little, this is like driving culture specific. If you live in New York, your stroller needs are going to be different. Um, the first thing I'll say is that strollers are insanely expensive, so Facebook Marketplace, like ask around for friends, see what you can do. Um, you know, reuse or whatever. I swear by YoYo Baby Zen. Uh, this is like my number one thing that I'm the most passionate about. Uh, it folds up, so, and so you can fit it in a travel, like an overhead compartment on an airplane. Um, but also it's like very easy to just store in your car and, you know, unfold when you need. It's, um, it moves well. And then for a newborn, you get the car seat adapter.

• 51:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And so you can just go like bloop and take the, the car seat out and put it in the stroller. So it'll last you from, you know, newborn all the way to, I mean, we still use it. And for both kids now, at this point, they kind of fight over it. Uh.

• 51:51Sean Fennessey?

  You know what the biggest, the biggest game changer was for us was sleep sack.

• 51:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Sleep sack or Merlin sleep suit?

• 51:59Sean Fennessey?

  We did use a Merlin.

• 51:59Amanda Dobbins?

  You liked the Merlin. Knox hated it.

• 52:01Sean Fennessey?

  It was short-lived.

• 52:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 52:02Sean Fennessey?

  It worked for a minute and it got her to sleep, but the kite sleep sack was legit. That was in our life for a long ass time.

• 52:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, oh, ours are, Knox still wears them.

• 52:12Sean Fennessey?

  Still napping.

• 52:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he also sleeps in it at night.

• 52:16Sean Fennessey?

  Way past that.

• 52:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And then he walks around at it and then I'm like, oh God, you're gonna die.

• 52:21Sean Fennessey?

  It's pretty dangerous.

• 52:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, two kids in kite sleep suits.

• 52:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, here's a very normal one from a normal guy. Hey guys, my stats, 5'9", 195, bench 205, pickup game comp is a short and unskilled Kurt Thomas. Shout out to TCU. First, I just want to say that I 1 million percent cosign the recurring Dobbins hot takes around preventative dentistry. That field is largely a sham and just a sales funnel for unnecessary wallet biopsies. For what it's worth, I am a physician with some expertise in evidence-based medicine and scientific literature interpretation.

• 52:52Amanda Dobbins?

  This is my guy.

• 52:53Sean Fennessey?

  This is very, very, very sus so far. Here is my question, the Rosillo life advice emails always begin with a semi-scripted set of personal details from the authors. What would the big picks version of those be for your listener submitted mailbags? Number of movies logged on Letterboxd, top four movies all time, duration of time, you can hold up five pound weights?

• 53:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 53:11Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think?

• 53:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Was it five? I thought it was three.

• 53:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I honestly don't remember.

• 53:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Zach recently did one of my like workouts at home. And would like got cooked by it and then was like, I was thinking of like Sean's like insane. You know, you just like, you don't know how hard it is until, you know, and you're durationally holding out the weights. I've been doing more heavyweights though.

• 53:34Sean Fennessey?

  Congrats.

• 53:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Thanks so much. I mean, I'm cycling it in.

• 53:37Sean Fennessey?

  Awesome.

• 53:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. So that, that seems good.

• 53:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. How the minute count for how long you can hold out?

• 53:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, or just, you know, maybe

• 53:49Amanda Dobbins?

  kind of where you are in your macro journey would be a helpful thing to learn.

• 53:52Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 53:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 53:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Letterboxd top four seems good. That, that seems like a nice one. I, I think we probably should need to know age just for generational purposes, not to be ageist, but you know, we want to

• 54:06Sean Fennessey?

  Age is important.

• 54:06Amanda Dobbins?

  We want to meet you where you are. Let's see. Anything else you need to know?

• 54:12Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I think like a very weird personal anecdote at the top of these is always meaningful. That's the best way to get our attention is to just be like, you know, I woke up in a cold sweat one morning and I realized I haven't seen materialists yet and I need to see it to like be part of the Marxist revolution.

• 54:29Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, let me see what else we can do. Let's look, let's look in the chat and see what people are saying.

• 54:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 54:33Sean Fennessey?

  If they're being normal. Hmm. How do I handle a friend who doesn't like films centered around, quote, "bad people"? Example: She doesn't like Dazed and Confused because the characters were degenerates. Do I even stay friends with this person? This is what Kayden asks us.

• 54:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 54:47Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting question, because this comes up a lot now in movie discourse.

• 54:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and it is sort of like a generational

• 54:52Sean Fennessey?

  Feels that way.

• 54:53Amanda Dobbins?

  way of reading things. I mean, so there are two parts of this. There's how do you handle the friend? And do you stay friends with the friend? How do you handle the friend? Um, I, I, I think, speak your own truth, like loudly and as respectfully as you can. But, uh, as we've proven, you don't always have to be that respectful. I don't know, like, I guess people can watch movies however they want to watch them, but they don't have to be right. And you can watch movies how you want and, and, and do your thing. And there is something to be said for, like, being able to talk about movies with someone else, even though I would also find that point of view, like, slightly infuriating. But, you know, uh, live and let live. Should you stay friends with the person?

• 55:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that this would be a pretty severe reason for breaking up a friendship. That's just where I am.

• 55:44Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's an indication of a lack of sophistication. If you feel uncomfortable with art because it shows behavior that you don't agree with.

• 55:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:55Sean Fennessey?

  You're simple minded.

• 55:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I think that's true, but it's like, every question here, and we've gotten a lot of questions about how to negotiate various relationships relating to or not relating to movies. And if you start cutting everyone out for, like, every minor or, you know, or every transgression, you're not gonna have any friends. You know, it's like, nobody's gonna last.

• 56:19Sean Fennessey?

  It's not about minor transgressions. It's about if you're a movie fan, it's a little hard to understand movies if you reject them because of the behaviors exhibited in the movies.

• 56:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Here's the thing, as you get older, and like, we had another, like, I thought a very lovely question about making friends in your, in your twenties and how hard it is. And it's like, really hard.

• 56:38Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I, your twenties are hard in general. You're just expected to, like, like, start a new life all by yourself and know exactly what, you know, I like, I'm very sympathetic to all of you.

• 56:47Sean Fennessey?

  You're going full YouTuber now. Wow.

• 56:49Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 56:50Sean Fennessey?

  That was just, you just turned into Emma Chamberlain. Oh, my goodness.

• 56:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I actually have never seen Emma Chamberlain. I mean, like, I've seen stills, but I don't know what she's like. Anyway, being in your twenties is hard. So I get it.

• 57:02Amanda Dobbins?

  And the friendship thing is hard even as you're an adult.

• 57:05Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it's hard.

• 57:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, stop being, stop being a man, okay? Like, just no one, yeah.

• 57:10Sean Fennessey?

  It was, it was, it was hard being broke. That was really hard.

• 57:12Amanda Dobbins?

  It was hard being broke.

• 57:13Sean Fennessey?

  I have empathy for that.

• 57:13Amanda Dobbins?

  You also.

• 57:14Sean Fennessey?

  In your twenties, you're like, you're fit. You know, you can stay up all night. You can go explore the world. Like, you know, it's like, it's not that.

• 57:21Amanda Dobbins?

  You married your high school sweetheart. You just like were not going through any of it.

• 57:25Sean Fennessey?

  But is it hard just because of not having a relationship?

• 57:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course, because then you don't, well, it's not just that.

• 57:30Sean Fennessey?

  This society is broken.

• 57:31Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not just that, but it's like you had a fixed point around which you were like building your life. You know, and everybody else is just out there being like, I don't know. Like, I guess where should I live? What should I do? Who should I be friends with? How should I think about the world? Like, what are all like?

• 57:43Sean Fennessey?

  I have all those things.

• 57:43Amanda Dobbins?

  What time should I wake up in the morning? You know, it's all like, what should I? I don't know. Something you go from a world like with lots of rules? No rules at all. Uh, so I think I have, I'm.

• 57:54Sean Fennessey?

  Weirdly empathetic point of view from you. Un- uncommonly empathetic for people in their twenties.

• 57:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I still think people in their twenties are like pretty stupid, but like, you know, that's because they haven't lived.

• 58:04Sean Fennessey?

  The truth is, I just think everybody catastrophizes the generation that they're in, the era that they're in, no matter what. So no matter how old you are, when you're 12, you're like, why can't I be older and get what I want? When you're in your twenties, you're like, why can't I have the things the way that I want to have them? When you're in your thirties, you're like, oh, I can feel things slipping away from me. Is my life really what I want it to be? When you're in your forties, you're like, well, I made my choices and I'm stuck. When you're in your fifties, you're like, God, I wish I had done things differently when I was in my twenties. When you're in your sixties, you're like, wow, I have cancer. When you're in your seventies, you're like, I beat cancer, but shit, I'm in my seventies. When you're in your eighties, you're like, I can't even remember anything. When you're nineties, you're, you die.

• 58:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that's true.

• 58:36Sean Fennessey?

  It's, it's not, nobody is ever happy.

• 58:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I like, I'm honestly kind of thriving. I mean, the world's going to shit and I'm like really upset about that all the time. But like, aside from, you know, the flyaways and everything, like I'm doing pretty good. So what I would say to you. Is that there is light at the end of the tunnel and that your twenties like are a little weird. In terms of the friends thing, something like, you're not gonna find that many people who can like, be your friends for everything, you know, who like check all of the boxes.

• 59:06Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed, agreed.

• 59:07Amanda Dobbins?

  So maybe this person isn't your like letterbox friend. Maybe this person is really fun to like, you know, watch a baseball game with or like go out with or I like, I don't know, what do you like to do? But it's, you know.

• 59:22Sean Fennessey?

  You're just trying to come up with hobbies?

• 59:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know, like other friend stuff besides like agreeing on the.

• 59:28Sean Fennessey?

  You're really into macrame, you know? You like cycling.

• 59:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you know about macrame? I didn't know that. Well, it's always interesting what you know and don't know.

• 59:35Sean Fennessey?

  It is interesting. Well, my knowledge is so vast, so thank you for saying that.

• 59:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, so this person is maybe not your, you guys aren't gonna like vibe on movies, but there are other things in life. What?

• 59:48Sean Fennessey?

  People in the chat are great. They're just like, I'm about to be 50 and my life is shit.

• 59:54Sean Fennessey?

  I'm sorry, Nick. I'm sorry that's true, if it is true. Uh, I'm glad that you're thriving. I'm, I'm, I'm sorry that people can't make friends. I don't know what to say about that. Like, I don't, that isn't the purpose of this show. Like, how do I make friends?

• 1:00:09Amanda Dobbins?

  You said life advice. It's really hard. And you liked friendship for the exact, this is, you know, it's under examined. It is actually hard for all of you to connect.

• 1:00:18Sean Fennessey?

  The under examined part of it is that there are men out there who are looking for friends who might murder you. Like, you have to be careful of those guys, because they exist. My, but my thing, like, I did a, I did a very modern version of friendship when I moved to New York, which is that I sought people out with like-minded interests and I literally just cold emailed them. I've told this before, but I cold emailed Chris Ryan and I was like, hey, man, I think, I don't even know, Zach and I met through mutual, mutual friends. I mean, sort of like formed a group of people who are all into the same stuff, but.

• 1:00:45Sean Fennessey?

  Honestly, I think cold emailing somebody every once in a while, it's not as safe and normal as it used to be.

• 1:00:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's kind of psychotic personally. Yeah, I've never done that in my life.

• 1:00:53Sean Fennessey?

  You've never cold emailed anybody that you like, when you liked something that they wrote, or that they did, or...

• 1:00:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Absolutely not.

• 1:00:59Sean Fennessey?

  Really?

• 1:01:00Amanda Dobbins?

  You know me, but like, you know me, like, I'm absolutely not.

• 1:01:03Sean Fennessey?

  Well, because are you afraid of being rejected? Like, what was your concern?

• 1:01:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, no, there's a level of vulnerability there that is just...

• 1:01:10Sean Fennessey?

  You're so weird. You're like, you're like talking all about like,

• 1:01:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:14Sean Fennessey?

  babies sleeping and whatnot on a podcast in front of like hundreds of thousands of people?

• 1:01:18Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I think that you're overestimating what's possible at 9:30 in the morning on YouTube, but...

• 1:01:24Sean Fennessey?

  No, I mean in general on the pod, but still, like, you wouldn't email someone who you admired and say like, "I really like what you did here"?

• 1:01:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, as you know, I don't like to actually meet heroes, so no, I definitely wouldn't do that.

• 1:01:35Sean Fennessey?

  You're really weird.

• 1:01:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, no, I, but I prefer just to...

• 1:01:38Sean Fennessey?

  Why are we even in it? Like, what is it even for? I like, I'm the exact opposite.

• 1:01:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Matt Bellamy and Craig were talking about this on a recent episode of The Town, where Craig did not introduce himself to Ana de Armas at the premiere of Ballerina, and Matt Bellamy was like, "Why not? Don't you want to make contacts? Contacts?" And Craig was like, "Not with Ana de Armas at the premiere of Ballerina", which I love Matt Bellamy, but like, Team Craig on that.

• 1:02:04Sean Fennessey?

  I, that's a little different for me. It's not quite the same as, you know, I met Quentin Tarantino. Like, Ana de Armas doesn't really...

• 1:02:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I love meeting Quentin Tarantino, but I didn't email him. You, you know, you got to, you know, you guys are buds, and then, then he came in.

• 1:02:19Sean Fennessey?

  But like, Ana de Armas isn't, that's not Craig's hero. That's a, that's a woman that, at least jokingly, Craig is very attracted to.

• 1:02:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:02:26Sean Fennessey?

  Um, so I don't quite see the, the connection there. But I think, I mean, that speaks to how Matt operates.

• 1:02:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Sean Fennessey?

  Matt is just like, hello, I'm Matt.

• 1:02:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, and that's...

• 1:02:34Sean Fennessey?

  And I'll say it's anyone.

• 1:02:34Amanda Dobbins?

  That is how you become like an incredibly well-sourced reporter.

• 1:02:37Sean Fennessey?

  It's true.

• 1:02:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Cold email. That's weird.

• 1:02:43Sean Fennessey?

  I'd like to thank J Y K zero zero zero for noting Sean constantly deriding Amanda for being confused by his insane takes is what will fix this country. Thank you for understanding this pod very deeply. Uh, let's see what other questions we can get in here. I've been considering having regular rep screenings of movies at my house for close friends. Any tips for home screenings or hosting in general?

• 1:03:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, you, you host parties. Your home screening, you know, what's your, your setup?

• 1:03:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's kind of, it's boring, you know?

• 1:03:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:12Sean Fennessey?

  It's a large television. It's not a projector, you know?

• 1:03:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:03:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's not, there's not surround sound audio in there. That's a, that's a future project. I'll get there.

• 1:03:19Amanda Dobbins?

  You do have like lighting control.

• 1:03:21Sean Fennessey?

  I do have lighting control, yes.

• 1:03:23Amanda Dobbins?

  We could really work on that at my house, but um, window treatments are hard, you know?

• 1:03:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's California in particular, the sunniest states.

• 1:03:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I like the sunlight, you know, so I want to let it in most of the time, except for when I'm watching films.

• 1:03:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that is a big challenge.

• 1:03:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, hosting tips? I mean, it goes back to the deodorant, uh, the smelly people question, you know, which is like, you want to,

• 1:03:46Sean Fennessey?

  How far we've come?

• 1:03:47Amanda Dobbins?

  You want to set things up in advance, you know, you can kind of guide people um, to the most natural place, you know, you can kind of set up the seating ahead of time, have the snacks ready so that people kind of know where they're supposed to go.

• 1:04:02Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:04:02Amanda Dobbins?

  That takes some of the anxiety out.

• 1:04:03Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:04:04Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, I mean, you know?

• 1:04:05Sean Fennessey?

  I have another pertinent question for you that's sort of related to decor.

• 1:04:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:09Sean Fennessey?

  This question comes from Tyler Parker.

• 1:04:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, hi Tyler.

• 1:04:11Sean Fennessey?

  From The Ringer, our buddy.

• 1:04:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Is Tyler watching right now?

• 1:04:13Sean Fennessey?

  I hope so. Um, I just saw Tyler last week, one of the, one of the best out.

• 1:04:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I haven't seen him in a long time, even though we live incredibly close to each other.

• 1:04:19Sean Fennessey?

  We do.

• 1:04:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:20Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Tyler asks, Amanda, why aren't books smaller? I don't mean shorter.

• 1:04:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:04:26Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, smaller. Most books should fit in a back pocket.

• 1:04:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, Jacob Elordi style. This is a big thing. You know about this? Where Jacob Elordi is like, he's doing the, like, the boy version of being paparazzi with a book, but he's always, he's either carrying a Bottega Veneta bag.

• 1:04:42Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:04:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Or he's got like a, you know, on the road in his back pocket or whatever. Uh, it, I, I'm sorry, it works for me. Um, it's just, you know, sometimes we have,

• 1:04:52Sean Fennessey?

  You're such an easy mark.

• 1:04:52Amanda Dobbins?

  We have to be honest, you know?

• 1:04:54Sean Fennessey?

  Unbelievable.

• 1:04:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Sometimes the most obvious thing works. Uh, I think it probably has to do with, you know, font size, Tyler. You know, it's like, if it's that small.

• 1:05:04Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:05:05Amanda Dobbins?

  And is of, of length and is not a collection of short stories. And Tyler, you know where I stand on short stories and it's write a novel, you coward.

• 1:05:14Sean Fennessey?

  Tyler did write a novel.

• 1:05:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Tyler did write a wonderful novel.

• 1:05:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Blood and Dancing, great book.

• 1:05:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, available wherever books are sold. So, I, I mean, I think that's mainly the issue, you know? It's just also, the other day, we were trying to fix our printer at home. And I had like real respect for the invention of the printing press. You know, like they always talk about, you know, like in, when you're learning history, they're like, this changed the world because suddenly like literature is available to the masses. And I do get that on like a sociological and intellectual level, but also like it is 700 years later and like, we still can't really print that easily. You know, it's just like something's always wrong with the printer. So from a technological perspective, I like, I really salute them for figuring that out. And.

• 1:06:00Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think your HP inkjet at home is quite the same as what Gutenberg was up to.

• 1:06:05Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a brother or something, but like.

• 1:06:07Sean Fennessey?

  That's your first problem.

• 1:06:08Amanda Dobbins?

  The general, the general problem that we're solving and that Tyler's asking about is, remains the same, which is like, why is it so hard to turn ideas of the mind into something, you know, tangible that we can hold? And.

• 1:06:26Sean Fennessey?

  I'm getting more audiobooks, gotta be honest. Started listening.

• 1:06:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Can you, can you, I cannot do it. And it's like, I cannot focus on them.

• 1:06:33Sean Fennessey?

  Like in the car?

• 1:06:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Like any, like my mind starts watering, wandering immediately.

• 1:06:38Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's pretty easy for me. I just started re-listening to a Robert Altman biography that I love.

• 1:06:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 1:06:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Um, okay, let's see what OMG just started this. I'm Kristen. Amanda just wished me a happy birthday. You made my whole year.

• 1:06:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Hi, Kristen!

• 1:06:51Sean Fennessey?

  Hi, Amanda. You've convinced me not to do retinol. This is the advice I was looking for.

• 1:06:55Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go, yeah.

• 1:06:56Sean Fennessey?

  It works!

• 1:06:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:57Sean Fennessey?

  This program works.

• 1:06:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Whatever works for you.

• 1:07:00Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm. What else? What else can we get from the chat? Everyone is just very spirited here.

• 1:07:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:07:05Sean Fennessey?

  There's more people watching now than there was an hour ago.

• 1:07:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:07:07Sean Fennessey?

  So that's pretty good. Let's do like maybe 15 or 20 minutes more. How do you feel?

• 1:07:10Amanda Dobbins?

  That seems great.

• 1:07:10Sean Fennessey?

  You feel up for it?

• 1:07:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't have the chat open. Should I like be in the comments?

• 1:07:13Sean Fennessey?

  No, but now it's going fucking crazy. A lot of people asking about what snacks should I put in my golf bag for banned in dunes where I played golf?

• 1:07:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, this is so, like, it's really...

• 1:07:21Sean Fennessey?

  I've seen at least five banned in questions.

• 1:07:23Amanda Dobbins?

  The other...

• 1:07:24Sean Fennessey?

  Can I share one banned in tip? I'm sure your husband made you aware of this.

• 1:07:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:27Sean Fennessey?

  They sell something at the courses.

• 1:07:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Sean Fennessey?

  Called protein golf balls. They come in a sleeve, like three golf balls would come. And they are these odd protein balls that are like peanut butter, oats, hemp hearts, and a number of other ingredients that I can't recall. And you eat them and they give you, you power up. You Dragon Ball Z, bang! And then you can hit the ball 300 yards. And I ate roughly 15 of those over three days.

• 1:07:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But you're not doing that in your home life?

• 1:07:56Sean Fennessey?

  I do eat protein bars sometimes, yeah.

• 1:07:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Protein bars, but do you, like, the protein ball, like, the homemade protein ball is like a very... Again, we'll get you on this internet. But I think Chris eats them a lot. You know, I think you buy them for like $45 a pop at Air One.

• 1:08:08Sean Fennessey?

  He seemed very confused by that particular thing when we were there. We were all, it was quite novel to us.

• 1:08:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. Again, but I would think that his Instagram reels are showing a lot of, like, the protein balls are a big, like, here's what I make as a something, you know, Instagram reel topic. There are a lot of recipes out there.

• 1:08:28Sean Fennessey?

  A flood of golf questions have just hit the chat. I regret to inform you.

• 1:08:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, the number of granola bars that Zach packs for a golf trip is, like, pretty sad to me.

• 1:08:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Pretty sad?

• 1:08:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I don't believe in granola bars or protein bars.

• 1:08:46Sean Fennessey?

  Honestly, you're like, you're so fucked up. Like, you are so...

• 1:08:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, it's like, this is...

• 1:08:51Sean Fennessey?

  I know I'm the weird, crazy one. You are fucking...

• 1:08:53Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:08:54Sean Fennessey?

  That's insane.

• 1:08:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, I prefer not to eat them. I like to eat, you know, real food. Um, I like to have a meal. I don't want to, like, waste my calories and my, you know, my sugars that way. But I...

• 1:09:08Sean Fennessey?

  The chat is so good. Rango goes hard. Thank you, Calvin Coffee, for identifying that.

• 1:09:14Sean Fennessey?

  Protein is very important.

• 1:09:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:17Sean Fennessey?

  Granola bars are very important. I like a Cliff bar on the golf course.

• 1:09:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:20Sean Fennessey?

  That's my go to.

• 1:09:22Amanda Dobbins?

  The other day, um, at the swim club, uh, a man, I was getting lunch for my family and a man came in before he went out to the golf course and said, I would like six beers and a soup, please. And.

• 1:09:34Sean Fennessey?

  A soup.

• 1:09:37Amanda Dobbins?

  And I was like, that guy's kind of a legend.

• 1:09:38Sean Fennessey?

  Hot or cold?

• 1:09:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I don't, I don't really think that they're serving.

• 1:09:43Sean Fennessey?

  What are we talking about?

• 1:09:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Gazpacho.

• 1:09:44Sean Fennessey?

  Garlic rice.

• 1:09:45Amanda Dobbins?

  They didn't specify the soup.

• 1:09:46Sean Fennessey?

  New England clam chowder?

• 1:09:47Amanda Dobbins?

  It was 11:15 in the morning.

• 1:09:48Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:09:49Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 1:09:49Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty gross.

• 1:09:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Six beers and a soup.

• 1:09:53Sean Fennessey?

  Damn dudes are asking me, what did you pick up at Waterloo in Austin? Did somebody spot like clock me at Waterloo in Austin?

• 1:09:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe.

• 1:09:59Sean Fennessey?

  This is actually quite scary. It's a record store and incredible, incredible Blu-ray selection there. Lots of international stuff. I, one thing I did get was, um, Bloody Sunday, the Paul Greengrass film.

• 1:10:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:10:11Sean Fennessey?

  I think from imprint, which was really, really good. A lot of interesting questions here. How tall is CR? He's seven foot six.

• 1:10:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Didn't mute it. I tried to open the chat. That's me.

• 1:10:21Sean Fennessey?

  Top three soups. They want to know. Top three soups. Go.

• 1:10:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Top three soups. Oh gosh. Um, I mean, a chili of some, are we counting that? Is that a stew?

• 1:10:30Sean Fennessey?

  I'll allow it.

• 1:10:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I like a lentil soup. Red lentil, but I'll go with any of them. Uh, tortilla soup? I don't know. I'm just naming.

• 1:10:40Sean Fennessey?

  Tortilla soup, number one for me. Chicken noodle, no?

• 1:10:43Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's just, I didn't grow up with it. So.

• 1:10:46Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 1:10:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I did. We didn't really do soup.

• 1:10:48Sean Fennessey?

  You know what is elite is a, just a matzoh ball soup from the New York diner is like my favorite thing in the universe.

• 1:10:55Amanda Dobbins?

  A matz, yeah, I think that's another thing that we just didn't.

• 1:10:57Sean Fennessey?

  I see.

• 1:10:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Classic Atlanta. Um, favorite movie theater in Sweden? Don't know. Never been to one.

• 1:11:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, for pride month, please name, uh, some more actresses you would wife up as a straight woman. Thanks so much. I mean, Rachel Weisz, number one for me. Haley Atwell.

• 1:11:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Adele Hennell.

• 1:11:14Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:11:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Right off the top.

• 1:11:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:11:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, who else? I mean, you know.

• 1:11:20Sean Fennessey?

  You're naming women that kind of look like you. It's a little weird.

• 1:11:23Amanda Dobbins?

  That's okay. I mean, that's fine. That's nice. I accept. That's great. Uh.

• 1:11:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, those are like the kind of like three operating as my like wives in my mind at all times.

• 1:11:35Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:11:36Amanda Dobbins?

  But you know, there are a lot of beautiful women out there.

• 1:11:39Sean Fennessey?

  Celebrate Pride Month.

• 1:11:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Sean Fennessey?

  All month. Uh, great queer cited program on the Criterion Channel right now. Highly recommend that. All the movies in that package are super good. Uh, okay. Hmm.

• 1:11:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Duchamp for male actors now.

• 1:11:55Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:11:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:56Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm. Idris Elba.

• 1:11:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, good one. Okay.

• 1:12:00Sean Fennessey?

  I just saw him in, uh, 28 Weeks Later.

• 1:12:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:12:03Sean Fennessey?

  The second film in that series.

• 1:12:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm doing the rewatch next week.

• 1:12:06Sean Fennessey?

  And he has like no, no role whatsoever in the film, but he looks very handsome. Um, young Edward Norton.

• 1:12:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Again, that's a little bit like you dating you.

• 1:12:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:16Amanda Dobbins?

  We didn't talk about.

• 1:12:17Sean Fennessey?

  He was very aspirational.

• 1:12:18Amanda Dobbins?

  We didn't talk about Keeping the Faith on the 2000 draft. That was one of the.

• 1:12:21Sean Fennessey?

  Was that 2000?

• 1:12:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was one of the weirdest movies I've ever seen.

• 1:12:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I'm not a big fan of that movie.

• 1:12:25Amanda Dobbins?

  That I saw in theaters.

• 1:12:26Sean Fennessey?

  Um, gosh, I mean, Sam Rockwell, big fan of his.

• 1:12:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, nice.

• 1:12:31Sean Fennessey?

  I just, I just wouldn't want to be around him, you know?

• 1:12:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:34Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like he's just a good time. Uh, every time I see Leslie Bibb, she's so happy. She's like, I can't believe I'm with Sam Rockwell. That's always a good sign.

• 1:12:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:42Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know, there's probably some others.

• 1:12:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, any hints on the Chicago Surprise movie?

• 1:12:47Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:12:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:12:48Sean Fennessey?

  No hints.

• 1:12:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:12:50Sean Fennessey?

  We are, we are exploring special guests for both live shows in Chicago. Hey, thank you to everyone.

• 1:12:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:57Sean Fennessey?

  Who bought tickets. They sold out very fast for both events.

• 1:12:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we're very excited.

• 1:13:01Sean Fennessey?

  We hope to give you a good show. Jack Sanders will be there, of course. CR will be at our live show at Steppenwolf.

• 1:13:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:13:07Sean Fennessey?

  And we're trying to go to a Cubs game, as you said.

• 1:13:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:10Sean Fennessey?

  I'm really excited.

• 1:13:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Do we know anyone at the Cubs?

• 1:13:13Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, is Jed Hoyer still the general manager of the Cubs? Jack, yes or no? I honestly don't know. Cubs are looking pretty good this year.

• 1:13:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Are they?

• 1:13:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:22Sean Fennessey?

  They traded for Kyle Tucker in the offseason. That's going very well. They of course have Pete Crow Armstrong, who was a Mets prospect that the Mets traded for two months of Javi Baez, which makes me want to drown myself in a lake every day because he would be the center fielder that is missing from this Mets lineup. Anyway, that's the entire Mets discussion.

• 1:13:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:40Sean Fennessey?

  Live show tour, when? I don't know. We have children. We're probably not going to do a real tour. We're going to do more live stuff over the course. Hopefully we'll do something in New York in the fall.

• 1:13:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm hoping for that as well.

• 1:13:50Sean Fennessey?

  We're discussing.

• 1:13:51Amanda Dobbins?

  And I do also want to do some 25 for 25 stuff here.

• 1:13:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:13:56Amanda Dobbins?

  In LA.

• 1:13:56Sean Fennessey?

  In the winter, maybe?

• 1:13:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:57Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe we can do a bigger one near the end of the list. Maybe at Vidit's or somewhere else. Uh, tips on how to avoid procrastinating writing and getting in the zone? It's funny, this comes up. I don't really write anymore.

• 1:14:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:12Sean Fennessey?

  You don't really write anymore.

• 1:14:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I hated it.

• 1:14:14Sean Fennessey?

  I remember you hating it when I met you, whenever that was, 15 years ago.

• 1:14:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I absolutely loathed it. And then I moved in with Zach and I was like, oh, this is what, like an actual, someone who likes writing?

• 1:14:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:14:25Amanda Dobbins?

  And who can, I mean, he's

• 1:14:26Sean Fennessey?

  He's very disciplined.

• 1:14:27Amanda Dobbins?

  He's my favorite writer and he is very disciplined, but there was also just like, he doesn't live in, in fear of it.

• 1:14:32Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I, when I was writing a lot, was just drinking a lot. That's just the truth. The truth is that, and I'm not saying one should do this, but for me, if I poured one whiskey.

• 1:14:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:48Sean Fennessey?

  I could go. And it was not hard.

• 1:14:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I couldn't.

• 1:14:51Sean Fennessey?

  And I could stay up all night and do it and I was fine. And if I, if I tried to sit down at 2:00 PM.

• 1:14:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:57Sean Fennessey?

  And bang out a column or, you know, write a review.

• 1:15:00Amanda Dobbins?

  No, not at all.

• 1:15:00Sean Fennessey?

  I couldn't do it. I couldn't, it was just like writing term papers, you know, it's just, it was the same energy. Maybe that's immature, but it just, it was how I was. Uh, hmm. Thoughts on Club Chalamet? That comes from Priyanka V.

• 1:15:14Amanda Dobbins?

  You gotta respect the commitment, you know? Uh, and maybe that's all that you need to respect? I mean, I, I feel like the Kylie Sussman, very tough for her, you know? Cause she won't even say Kylie Jenner's name.

• 1:15:25Sean Fennessey?

  Why is she so against her?

• 1:15:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I think that there, um, you know, the Kardashians are polarizing.

• 1:15:32Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 1:15:32Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and I think that there is just a, a group of

• 1:15:40Amanda Dobbins?

  the internet and that does not want, I don't know. I think, I, like, I, I think it seems like wasted energy at this point, but, you know? I think Kylie looks really pretty, you know? What do you think about her boob job recipe? Did you see that?

• 1:15:55Sean Fennessey?

  She has a boob job recipe?

• 1:15:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Again, like it's amazing, you're just not on the same internet. So someone, so Kris Jenner recently confirmed the doctor who did her facelift. And her most recent facelift, she's had a couple. And then someone on TikTok was like, Kylie, like what's your, you know, what kind of boob job did you get? And, or something like that. And Kylie, in the comments on TikTok, wrote like,

• 1:16:20Amanda Dobbins?

  The recipe, as, um, as the internet coined it, which is like, I didn't even know where it placement is on the body, the type, size, like profile, all sorts of things.

• 1:16:31Sean Fennessey?

  So she confirmed it?

• 1:16:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Kylie herself did, yes.

• 1:16:34Sean Fennessey?

  Cool.

• 1:16:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:37Sean Fennessey?

  I remember in the aftermath of a recent conversation we had about their relationship.

• 1:16:43Sean Fennessey?

  Their reaction was like, what is wrong with you guys? And like, I just want to say, I do get it. Like, I get if you are an incredibly famous actor that you're like, I want to date a hot, extremely hot girl.

• 1:16:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:53Sean Fennessey?

  And she's, she's beautiful. So I, like, I understand. But

• 1:16:59Sean Fennessey?

  I think we're at the stage of the Kardashian Jenner thing.

• 1:17:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh huh.

• 1:17:03Sean Fennessey?

  Where it's strictly dystopian now.

• 1:17:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Like the way that they look or the way that they are?

• 1:17:09Sean Fennessey?

  Just the, their, their place in society.

• 1:17:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I mean, even the fact that they're just all now out being like, yes, so here is this specific plastic surgery that I, that I had.

• 1:17:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Which like in some ways, if

• 1:17:21Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe it's, maybe that's better.

• 1:17:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it's better than pretending that it's natural.

• 1:17:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I, I do, but it, it is, we're in a new era, you know?

• 1:17:30Sean Fennessey?

  Sean on jam session, when? We need his thoughts on the new and just like that season.

• 1:17:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, oh, but you weren't watching it. Someone asked whether you should just, whether you should keep watching. Yes, because I am Jill and I need someone to talk about it. You, I do actually need you to come on, uh, before, uh, because Juliet's still on leave, so we'll figure that out.

• 1:17:49Sean Fennessey?

  I'll be happy to help.

• 1:17:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:17:50Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, movie master macro says Sean could have bagged Kylie.

• 1:17:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know if that's true. Uh, I'm going to be very honest with you. I think that, um, respectfully, Timmy has, you know, some swag that you, you do not.

• 1:18:04Sean Fennessey?

  Fair enough. I won't argue with that. Reese Roberts asks, Amanda and Sean, what's one quality you admire in each other and a burden if you could make life the other of?

• 1:18:12Amanda Dobbins?

  A what?

• 1:18:14Sean Fennessey?

  A burden if you could life the other? I don't know that. What's one quality you admire? Let's hear it right now, live.

• 1:18:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Um,

• 1:18:25Amanda Dobbins?

  well, I'm, this is, I'm trying to think of a way to put this, that this is like, not, um, like a backhitter compliment. Um, what is it? You're very, none of, none of these sound right.

• 1:18:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Like.

• 1:18:42Sean Fennessey?

  Pains her.

• 1:18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no. It's like, I mean, they're, they're like,

• 1:18:47Amanda Dobbins?

  reliable, dependable, like, all of that doesn't sound like complimentary enough to what I mean, which is like, I, I have no, like,

• 1:18:53Sean Fennessey?

  You will.

• 1:18:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Sean's gonna show up, Sean will be there. What Sean, what Sean says, Sean does. You don't have to question it. I like, I don't spend any time worrying about it. Um, and, and that is like, in a professional way, in a friendship way, it's just, Sean is there. And that's a very valuable.

• 1:19:09Sean Fennessey?

  I would say the same is true for you.

• 1:19:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 1:19:11Sean Fennessey?

  You always live up to that. You always do your homework, as you like to say.

• 1:19:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:15Sean Fennessey?

  I, I am consistently impressed with your tunnel vision self-confidence. Like, I.

• 1:19:24Amanda Dobbins?

  It's another one where it's like, how do we put this in a way that isn't insulting?

• 1:19:29Sean Fennessey?

  I, I could never channel it. I am constantly, I'm questing, is what I would say.

• 1:19:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:19:36Sean Fennessey?

  And you are not. You are like, I, I am a philosopher.

• 1:19:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:19:40Sean Fennessey?

  Which is why we're doing this here. You, you have a point of view, and I am like, seeking. And you, you have landed. And I gotta say, it's very admirable.

• 1:19:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 1:19:48Sean Fennessey?

  And a part of the, part of the stew of this show.

• 1:19:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so.

• 1:19:51Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, let's do one more question. Um, hmm.

• 1:19:57Amanda Dobbins?

  When do we get you playing poker on Twitch? That's not the last question, but that would be really funny.

• 1:20:00Sean Fennessey?

  When I, uh, I will get there at some point.

• 1:20:04Amanda Dobbins?

  You guys, so, the follow-up to the Vegas blackjack thing, which is after like Sean tried to get me to play blackjack at a 25 minimum table, my first time ever casino, and it was like, I had a full body panic attack. And so I didn't. But then I just sat like Sean played. And I like, I had heard tell of Sean gambling and Sean in the casinos, and I have had to be his sports partner, um, which was terrifying, but like, gambling Sean, taking cards Sean, taking over, was, I, you know, it gave me a new understanding of you.

• 1:20:38Sean Fennessey?

  Why, what do you mean?

• 1:20:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it was like, it was just sort of like a lethal antisocial mode that I like knew was there, but it was just sort of, you know, but there was like something you were very, very relaxed and confident about it, which I like, you know, I admire. I don't feel that way at a casino table, but you were just kind of like, okay, now I'm at like my optimal state.

• 1:21:02Sean Fennessey?

  It is probably the happiest I can be in a non-family environment, I would say.

• 1:21:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:08Sean Fennessey?

  I find it to be not stressful at all. Which doesn't mean I'm good. I'm not a good gambler. I just like to gamble. But I also don't get a chance to do it enough.

• 1:21:16Amanda Dobbins?

  That is pretty, I mean, that you find it like relaxing is very, very intense.

• 1:21:22Sean Fennessey?

  It's only money, you know?

• 1:21:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that's true.

• 1:21:24Sean Fennessey?

  It's only money. And if you, if you decide the amount of money that you're willing to lose and land there and stay there and have the discipline to stay there,

• 1:21:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:32Sean Fennessey?

  it can be very fun.

• 1:21:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:21:34Sean Fennessey?

  If you can't do that, and some people can, and I completely understand that, it's not fun.

• 1:21:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:38Sean Fennessey?

  It's stressful. It's anxiety producing.

• 1:21:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I was raised, you know, that if you lose, you're a failure. So even losing money is, you know.

• 1:21:45Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 1:21:46Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, I mean, it wasn't my choice.

• 1:21:48Sean Fennessey?

  It's, that's not very nice. Uh, okay. Well, I think we're, I think we're good.

• 1:21:54Amanda Dobbins?

  That did end up being the last question was when will you play live on Twitch?

• 1:21:58Sean Fennessey?

  Someone to do something here.

• 1:21:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:22:02Sean Fennessey?

  Come on, somebody come through with something really, really, really special before we, we close out. How do we have more people watching now than we did?

• 1:22:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Because like people join over time.

• 1:22:12Sean Fennessey?

  I guess so.

• 1:22:13Amanda Dobbins?

  How can you see? I feel like really old mom right now. Oh, okay. Started streaming 82 minutes ago.

• 1:22:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you feel like this will be a good podcast listen?

• 1:22:25Sean Fennessey?

  I think we flowed pretty well. Jack says yes. He's giving us a nod.

• 1:22:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Jack, you know, thank you for your support.

• 1:22:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Let's see. Wow. Lots of... Oh, someone's asking what should be my new opening line on the dating apps.

• 1:22:39Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, God.

• 1:22:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, so here's the thing. We are the wrong people to ask for this because we were not a part of the... I was talking to a friend recently who's on the dating apps and, and she was saying that Bumble is the new hinges out, bumbles in. I don't know whether we can confirm or deny that.

• 1:22:57Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:22:57Amanda Dobbins?

  That's just like what I'm hearing on the streets.

• 1:22:59Sean Fennessey?

  All right.

• 1:22:59Amanda Dobbins?

  From one friend. Um, and but she was talking about how she matched with someone and they started talking and then they immediately had a two and a half hour phone conversation? And I was like, what? Or like, it, what are we doing? I mean, that, that to me is terrifying. That also reminds me, when Zach used to try to call me early on, I would like hide from the phone, you know? Like, please don't talk to me on the phone.

• 1:23:22Sean Fennessey?

  Because you don't want to speak on the phone?

• 1:23:23Amanda Dobbins?

  No, absolutely not.

• 1:23:25Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you know that we share this, right?

• 1:23:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:27Sean Fennessey?

  You know that I really don't like to talk on the phone.

• 1:23:28Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I also, I like absolutely hate it. But I think Zach was like schooled by John. So, you know.

• 1:23:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, our, our close friend.

• 1:23:35Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, honestly, honestly, for the first six months, anytime Zach was calling, he was like, hey, so I can't, you know, I'm like stuck at like summer jam or whatever. And so I can't come like hang out. And I was like, okay, well, fuck you. I don't want to take this phone call.

• 1:23:47Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, so you were, you had PTSD from it being just an excuse to not spend time with you?

• 1:23:51Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like, I mean, now, you know, when the phone rings from a friend, you're like, well, this isn't good. Uh, and so I...

• 1:23:57Sean Fennessey?

  So true.

• 1:23:58Amanda Dobbins?

  So, for the first six months, anytime he was calling, it was because he had to like, he didn't want like send a text being like, I'm so sorry, like Azalea Bakes won't let me off the bus or whatever. Um.

• 1:24:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that did happen once. I don't know.

• 1:24:11Sean Fennessey?

  I remember he was in Los Angeles when he was interviewing her. I spent time with him during that trip. Uh, I, I don't like to talk on the phone for a very simple reason. My parents got divorced when I was like 10. And my dad, which this is a very generous act as a father and not one that other father divorced fathers do. My dad called me every day. Called me every day to talk, which was very nice, but... You know, we don't, we didn't have that much to say to each other. And also, I was a little raw about them getting.

• 1:24:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:24:37Sean Fennessey?

  And he was, he would just call every day and he'd be like, put Sean on the phone. He was calling the house phone, of course, not a cell phone.

• 1:24:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:43Sean Fennessey?

  Cause I was 10. And we talked every day, or almost every day. And I only saw him once every two weeks, but we were in contact all the time. It was nice, but.

• 1:24:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I understand that you have an association now.

• 1:24:55Sean Fennessey?

  You know, now I'm like, so I, I was on the phone. And then I went to college and Eileen and I stayed dating, but she went to Johns Hopkins and I went to Ithaca.

• 1:25:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:25:04Sean Fennessey?

  And we talked on the phone. Every day.

• 1:25:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:07Sean Fennessey?

  For a long time. To stay in each other's lives. So from 10 to 21, I was on the phone at length every day. So I don't ever want to be on the phone again. And I hope all my friends out there understand. And actually, the greatest thing that ever happened to me, the greatest thing that ever happened to me in this very specific respect.

• 1:25:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:25:26Sean Fennessey?

  Is we started doing this show and friends listened to it.

• 1:25:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:30Sean Fennessey?

  And they don't call me anymore because they know what's going on with me.

• 1:25:34Amanda Dobbins?

  You have like complained about that.

• 1:25:35Sean Fennessey?

  But I'm over it now.

• 1:25:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it's good. It is a nice way to sort of stay in touch with people. That's also Instagram is very useful for that, for me.

• 1:25:43Sean Fennessey?

  It is. There's a little bit of a like gilding the lily thing to Instagram of like, is it really this good?

• 1:25:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:49Sean Fennessey?

  That I'm suspicious of.

• 1:25:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, sure, sure, sure.

• 1:25:51Sean Fennessey?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:25:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Sean Fennessey?

  Whereas on pods, I'm like, just honestly having a meltdown and you're like, all right, Sean's not good today. Don't need to call him.

• 1:25:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. No, it is nice. But anyway, back to the dating apps, opening line. I mean, I just like, I have no idea. I assume that you would be responding to something in someone's profile. So I don't, I don't know.

• 1:26:11Sean Fennessey?

  I've literally never seen one of these profiles.

• 1:26:14Amanda Dobbins?

  You haven't, you haven't even like gone on.

• 1:26:15Sean Fennessey?

  I've never downloaded the apps. I've never seen what they look like.

• 1:26:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Let's be clear, I haven't downloaded the apps either, but you haven't had a friend give you the phone?

• 1:26:23Sean Fennessey?

  May, maybe, maybe in the 2010s, maybe. I really don't think so.

• 1:26:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I've done it a few times, but I feel like this, the prompts are built in, right? At least on Hinge they were, but as we said.

• 1:26:34Sean Fennessey?

  Skincare routine, favorite baby product.

• 1:26:37Amanda Dobbins?

  No, and I think that those would.

• 1:26:39Sean Fennessey?

  Are you smelly?

• 1:26:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm not sure I would respond to those as a, you know, that's not, but like.

• 1:26:44Sean Fennessey?

  A little intense. But is it like favorite song?

• 1:26:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, or like favorite.

• 1:26:48Sean Fennessey?

  Favorite vacation.

• 1:26:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe it's like a movie thing or something.

• 1:26:51Sean Fennessey?

  Do you play pickleball?

• 1:26:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:54Sean Fennessey?

  Why don't you just tell me the person you want to date?

• 1:26:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. I wish we could be more help. I'm sorry. You know, ask him, do a movie thing. If the person doesn't like movies, then you know, you probably don't want to be like, not like, don't like quote a movie, but you could ask a movie question.

• 1:27:09Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think there are people who are avid listeners of this show?

• 1:27:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:12Sean Fennessey?

  Who listen to every episode, true psychos, whose partner is not into movies? And that we fill a gap in their life?

• 1:27:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so. Yes. Because

• 1:27:24Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think that's healthy?

• 1:27:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, some, we have met the, and I, you know, I don't want to gender essentialize here, but we've met many of the girlfriends at the screenings who show up and they're like, oh, it's so nice that he gets to meet his friends, you know? Like, we're basically imaginary friends for a lot of people. And that's okay. That's good. I get it. I have other imaginary podcast friends or, you know, or influencer friends.

• 1:27:45Sean Fennessey?

  You do?

• 1:27:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, like Katie Starino, you know, who I told you about, who sells me deodorant.

• 1:27:49Sean Fennessey?

  But you do not want to meet her?

• 1:27:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I, well, Katie has social anxiety, I think. So she's talked about that. So I don't want to make her uncomfortable. But I think it would be fun. Yeah.

• 1:27:59Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, do you feel that this was a worthwhile experiment?

• 1:28:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, I do. I don't know how many problems we solved for people.

• 1:28:06Sean Fennessey?

  This is about our problems. This is not about their problems.

• 1:28:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I was kind of like, if, if we could figure out like a call in element, you know, like we could really work through some things.

• 1:28:16Sean Fennessey?

  You want to do a call in show?

• 1:28:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that I could really, like, if the guy who didn't, uh, know whether he was into the girl were calling in, I think that could have been radio gold, you know?

• 1:28:26Sean Fennessey?

  Is that Brian?

• 1:28:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but then he was using an Elias. So I don't know if we accidentally just added him. Um, but also, you know, that's, that's how social media works. So.

• 1:28:38Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I'm not sure I understand.

• 1:28:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Alias Elias, I always say it wrong.

• 1:28:42Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's alias.

• 1:28:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but that one, it's one of my Chris Ryan things.

• 1:28:45Sean Fennessey?

  I, that guy, I don't really know what he's talking about.

• 1:28:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Chris?

• 1:28:50Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, no. Chris, I, I do know what Chris is talking about. He's talking a lot of sense. Brian, I don't, you know, you, you, you're either feeling it or you're not, bro. Like, is it really that complicated?

• 1:29:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yes, it is. When you didn't meet the love of your life at 16, it is.

• 1:29:05Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:29:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:29:06Sean Fennessey?

  It's a tough beat.

• 1:29:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:07Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, thank you to everybody who sent incredible questions. We're demons in the chat, participated.

• 1:29:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, thanks everyone.

• 1:29:14Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you to Amanda for dear Abby-ing her way to her next career. This is very exciting for her. This is all she ever wanted.

• 1:29:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:21Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, thanks to John Richter for helping us with this live stream. Really appreciate it. Thanks to Jack Sanders, the silent man of this episode.

• 1:29:28Amanda Dobbins?

  The, but very reassuring on the big screen.

• 1:29:31Sean Fennessey?

  Very calming. Um, let's talk about the schedule very briefly.

• 1:29:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:34Sean Fennessey?

  We had to move number 18 of 25 for 25.

• 1:29:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I saw people were getting a little testy about that.

• 1:29:39Sean Fennessey?

  A little testy about it.

• 1:29:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen.

• 1:29:40Sean Fennessey?

  I'm sorry. There were, there was quite a few things happening in Los Angeles last week. We had to make some accommodations.

• 1:29:45Amanda Dobbins?

  We have, yeah. So we need you to work with us. The schedule is, knowing the schedule is a privilege, you know, not an entitlement.

• 1:29:52Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you for saying that. I completely agree with you.

• 1:29:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:29:54Sean Fennessey?

  On Wednesday, number 18 will premiere. We already recorded the episode.

• 1:29:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29:58Sean Fennessey?

  It was an emotional one. I'm very happy that we chose this movie. Uh, on Friday.

• 1:30:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:04Sean Fennessey?

  Well, first of all, just behind the curtain, I'm going to Atlanta.

• 1:30:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:06Sean Fennessey?

  To go watch the Mets. Speaking of the Mets, I'll be in Atlanta for three days for this three game series. I get back Friday morning. I'm getting off a plane.

• 1:30:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Will you get to be on the, on the broadcast again?

• 1:30:17Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't told John, so I don't know, but if he's still watching, he'll know that I'm in, I'll be in Atlanta with my father, who I just told.

• 1:30:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:24Sean Fennessey?

  You know, his story of his divorce on this podcast, unfortunately.

• 1:30:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Does Kyle watch or listen to this show?

• 1:30:29Sean Fennessey?

  He does. My brother Kyle, yes. Um, Kyle, yes, I wouldn't say, I'm not sure he's gonna like crush the materialist episode per se. But, uh, he definitely is a, he's a, he's a, he's a Dab Ma member.

• 1:30:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, thank you, Kyle.

• 1:30:43Sean Fennessey?

  Um, Kyle and, and my dad and I are really like our first trip ever together.

• 1:30:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:49Sean Fennessey?

  Um, going to see baseball, of course. And I'm gonna come back Friday morning.

• 1:30:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:30:52Sean Fennessey?

  And I'm gonna drive to a movie theater in Ontario, California. I'm gonna go see 28 Years Later. And then I'm gonna drive to Los Angeles and.

• 1:31:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, are you flying? Are you doing the Ontario trick that I taught you about?

• 1:31:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, I am.

• 1:31:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I'm so pleased for you. It's really much smoother way to travel.

• 1:31:07Sean Fennessey?

  I will let you know how it goes tomorrow.

• 1:31:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm seeing it Thursday.

• 1:31:09Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:31:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And then we're podcasting rather than parenting our children on Friday afternoon.

• 1:31:15Sean Fennessey?

  Correct, after I have been not parenting my child for three straight days. Anyhow, should be fun, 28 years later, looking forward to it. And then after that, we have a whole summer of pottings to do. Thank you, everyone, again. See you soon.

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