Encounters x259

Get ready to trade turkey for terror and pumpkin pie for paranormal vibes in this special episode! 🦃✨ From haunted highways to familial ghostly reunions, we’re diving into the most chilling, heartwarming, and downright bizarre encounters sent in by our listeners. What’s Thanksgiving without a little supernatural spice, right? Featured Hauntings: Not-Deer Nightmare: A Metallica-fueled drive through Pennsylvania turns into a horror movie when a creature standing on two legs feasts on roadkill...and locks eyes with our listener. Cue the Enter Sandman panic. Blood & Boards: Teen angst hits new heights (and horrors) with a homemade Ouija board crafted in... blood. Did it summon “Blackie,” the shadowy sleep paralysis demon? You’ll have to listen to find out. Family Ties Beyond the Grave: Thanksgiving dinner turns otherworldly with messages from a dearly departed great aunt, a toddler laughing at unseen relatives by the grave, and a family cat spooked by what might be a ghost kitty. Past Lives & Dimensional Jumps: One listener’s coworker hypnotizes herself to uncover her past-life deaths (impaled by a prehistoric creature?!) and recounts astral projection adventures that might just prove we’re all living multiple lives at once. Whether it’s ghostly ancestors at Thanksgiving dinner, a creepy creature waiting in the shadows, or pondering the multiverse, this episode has something for every ghost-lover’s palate. 🕯️✨ So grab a cozy blanket (or your ritual knife 😉), dim the lights, and join us for a ghostly gathering that will leave you saying, Why not? 👀 P. S. Ever wonder if ghosts watch you in the shower? Or… during other private moments? Yep, we talk about that too. Don’t miss it. Book Mentioned: Slewfoot by Brom Have ghost stories of your own? E-mail them to us at [email protected] Encounters episodes are released every Thursday at 9am PST/12pm EST. Corinne and Sabrina hand select a couple of paranormal encounters from our inbox to read in each episode, from demons, to cryptids, to aliens, to creepy kids... the list goes on and on. If you have a story of your own that you'd like us to share on an upcoming episode, we invite you to email them to us! This episode is sponsored by Helix, Manscaped, iRestore and Jenni Kayne. Helix is offering 25% off sitewide + two free Dream Pillows with any mattress purchase, or a free Bedding Bundle (2 Dream Pillows, Sheet Set, and Mattress Protector) with any Luxe or Elite mattress order at helixsleep.com/tgog. Forget the cliché gifts like socks or ugly sweaters—gift your man with the ultimate grooming experience by MANSCAPED® and get him The Chairman™ Pro Package for the holidays. It’s a thoughtful and practical gift that he’ll actually use and love! Get 20% off + free shipping with the code TGOG at Manscaped.com Give the gift of confidence to yourself or someone you love. For a limited time only, check out their huge black friday sale! Our listeners get hundreds of dollars off their Illumina Face Mask with our exclusive link at iRestorelaser.com/TGOG Jenni Kayne is our go-to destination for the very best of the season. Gift yourself and your loved ones the best gift of all - Jenni Kayne. From now through the end of November, our listeners get 25% off your first order when you use code TGOG at jennikayne.com If you enjoy our show, please consider joining our Patreon, rating and reviewing on iTunes & Spotify and following us on social media! Youtube, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and Discord. Edited and produced by Jaimi Ryan, original music by Arms Akimbo! Disclaimer: the use of white sage and smudging is a closed practice. If you’re looking to cleanse your space, here are some great alternatives! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When I was an angsty teenager, I decided it would be cool to make a Ouija board with my own blood. What the [BLEEP]? Today, we're grateful for ghost stories. What the fuck is this thing?

• 1:43Corinne Vien?

  It's not what you picture when you're driving home for the holidays.

• 2:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey.

• 2:09Corinne Vien?

  Hey.

• 2:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hegel, hey.

• 2:11Corinne Vien?

  Hegel, hey.

• 2:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We really need to make some new merch because we've come up with some great slogans lately that we need to put on, put on something.

• 2:19Corinne Vien?

  I feel like on Patreon, people remind us of it and I screenshot.

• 2:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I wrote them down.

• 2:23Corinne Vien?

  Okay, good, because I've been screenshotting them.

• 2:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then they get lost in the screenshots.

• 2:27Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 2:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, but I put it in our running list, to do list. There's two. Witchy behavior.

• 2:33Corinne Vien?

  That's the one I screenshot at the end of the day.

• 2:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And go cleanse yourself.

• 2:36Corinne Vien?

  Oh, fuck, yes. I love this brand.

• 2:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so glad. That's actually really good news for me, that you love this brand as much as.

• 2:46Corinne Vien?

  I love this.

• 2:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey, news slash everyone. Corinne loves this brand.

• 2:53Corinne Vien?

  Oh, wait, the brand is us. I forgot.

• 2:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Who are we, by the way?

• 2:56Corinne Vien?

  Two girls, one ghost.

• 2:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost.

• 3:00Corinne Vien?

  And we clearly don't have any egos over here.

• 3:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We just love ourselves.

• 3:04Corinne Vien?

  I fucking love us.

• 3:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love us. That's Corinne, who I love, and I'm Sabrina, who I also love. I love myself. It took a long time to get here, but hey, I love myself. And I'm still working on it every day because sometimes I hate myself, but most of the time I love myself.

• 3:19Corinne Vien?

  We give thanks to those moments.

• 3:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God, we do because it's Thanksgiving. The day that we slaughtered so many innocent people. No, well, we didn't do it on that day. We paused it for the day.

• 3:31Corinne Vien?

  Not to be super political, but I feel like that's kind of on brand for American history.

• 3:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Slaughter? I don't know why I'm going to say it like that.

• 3:39Corinne Vien?

  Is it political? It's just history.

• 3:40Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's just truth.

• 3:42Corinne Vien?

  I mean, it's, well, it's all of it.

• 3:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's everything.

• 3:44Corinne Vien?

  And yeah, so we all get together.

• 3:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're really grateful.

• 3:47Corinne Vien?

  With friends and family and we pretend to ignore all of these things and we say we're thankful for other people. We outline our hands on craft paper and make little turkeys out of them and.

• 4:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And today, we're grateful for ghost stories.

• 4:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, this is.

• 4:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We'll just get away from that sadness real quick. I'm going to be in Amsterdam when this comes out.

• 4:08Corinne Vien?

  Oh yeah. What's your itinerary? Cause you're gone for a while.

• 4:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Ten days.

• 4:13Corinne Vien?

  That's a while.

• 4:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Not that long.

• 4:15Corinne Vien?

  Every day is so long.

• 4:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I haven't taken a vacation in how long? And I'm also gonna be working on that trip, so it won't be really. But I'm going somewhere different, which is fun.

• 4:24Corinne Vien?

  I feel like you, you say that because like, I think your idea of vacation is like something specific, but I feel like you're always gone because you're always taking little tiny weekend trips places.

• 4:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, I think I'm, I'm definitely taking advantage of the fact that we can work remotely, but like.

• 4:37Corinne Vien?

  I have to touch your sweater.

• 4:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, please touch me.

• 4:40Corinne Vien?

  It looks so freaking soft.

• 4:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I've had this sweater for like 10 years. It's from Zara. I've never been able to find it again.

• 4:46Corinne Vien?

  This is so nice.

• 4:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the best.

• 4:48Corinne Vien?

  I had ones in this material and I got holes in all of them. They like were pilling and coming out.

• 4:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, there's one little pill coming.

• 4:55Corinne Vien?

  You better be careful. Don't touch that pill. Cause if you can't find that sweater again, you're F'd.

• 5:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the best. And it's like perfectly oversized and comfy. Love.

• 5:03Corinne Vien?

  Beautiful.

• 5:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My itinerary, I'm gonna be in, Payne and I are going to Amsterdam. So it's Payne's birthday on the 21st. So we're gonna be in Amsterdam for like five days. At just like a normal hotel. And then we're going to Bruges in Belgium. And this is kind of like a really monumental moment for me because I was conceived on Thanksgiving in Belgium. Thirty-one years ago.

• 5:27Corinne Vien?

  You've been called back.

• 5:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Come, come back. I've never been. I don't know if it was Bruges, but either way, we're going and we're staying at this. Super cool, super historic place, which obviously I'll talk a lot more about it when we go. And then we're going back to Amsterdam for two days. And staying at this old, it used to be a notary. It's called the notary. It literally used to be a notary.

• 5:46Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 5:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. And the rooms are all themed and it's like a museum now. It's super cool. Kind of looks like a ship.

• 5:53Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. Oh, I need to see pictures of this. This sounds awesome.

• 5:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, but I'm excited.

• 5:57Corinne Vien?

  Take a lot of photos.

• 5:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause then when you talk about it, we can show everybody.

• 6:00Corinne Vien?

  Insert photo.

• 6:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like when people, cause of course you want to see all of Sabrina's vacation photos, right? Isn't that the, I, I actually do, but it's like the classic thing where someone's like.

• 6:07Corinne Vien?

  Of the projector.

• 6:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I took a trip and they show you like a hundred photos of them just like in the same spot in the ocean, holding a pina colada.

• 6:15Corinne Vien?

  Do you remember that was such a thing? Like after vacations, I remember.

• 6:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Remember my mom would invite friends and family over and they'd have the printed photos that we picked up.

• 6:23Corinne Vien?

  And you put them in a little scrapbook?

• 6:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, like she would literally pass them out and like be like, hey, like this is us here.

• 6:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 6:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's like, who cares?

• 6:30Corinne Vien?

  It feels like who cares, but like when you love someone, you do care.

• 6:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I guess we have that equivalent now where it's all online and you just pick like the best photos.

• 6:39Corinne Vien?

  And people who choose to follow you care. They want to see your vacation photos.

• 6:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's the equivalent of you all coming over to my house and looking at my vacation photos.

• 6:46Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. So let's see this old ship place.

• 6:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We will. Okay, great. Until then, we have ghost stories. This is from our listener Nadia and it's called, I really believe that my entire family are alien hybrids. Am I too? I was just gonna say, well, then that means you are, right?

• 7:03Corinne Vien?

  Unless you're adopted.

• 7:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, excited. Hey, my ghosty girly besties, I've been a listener for years and I would like to tell you my story. I believe my entire family have gifts and they don't fade with age. So I realized my connection with the other side a few years back when I pretty much felt death on my great aunt and cousin. Felt it on them. On two different occasions, I hugged them and got really sad and tears started coming down my face for no reason. Not two weeks later, both of them passed.

• 7:32Corinne Vien?

  Whoa, this is so interesting to actually like feel it. People talk about auras, people talk about premonitions, but to just like

• 7:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Feel it.

• 7:39Corinne Vien?

  Feel the energy of what's about to happen to someone when you're touching them.

• 7:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How confusing that must be too.

• 7:44Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 7:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  On Thanksgiving last year was when I actually heard the words from a loved one. My family and I were sitting around the kitchen laughing and enjoying our time together. When all of a sudden I got an overwhelming feeling of sadness. Not necessarily death sadness, just a longing sadness and a message came through my mind like a thought. I heard, everything's going to be okay. He is going to be okay. And I somehow knew it was from my great aunt Eloise and I knew that I was supposed to tell my cousin that message, who was her daughter. And the he that was being referred to was her brother who was going through legal problems. And the sister was struggling trying to save him. So I told my cousin, who was sitting next to me because she noticed my sudden change of body

• 8:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  language, what had just happened. And now, five minutes later, my baby cousin came in and said she was talking to Aunt Eloise in the bathroom. She never met Aunt Eloise. She wasn't even born when Aunt Eloise passed away. So I had to tell everyone what had happened. Fast forward some years later to present day. My family laid my ninety year old great grandmother to rest, and last year, we laid my grandmother to rest. She was buried right beside her along with three of her other kids. As we were all leaving, everyone had gotten in the cars and were pulling off, but we had been struggling to get my one and a half year old son in the car. He continuously kept trying to go back to the grave site.

• 9:03Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 9:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This was about fifty yards away from our car. So my sister looked at me and said, let's just see where he goes. What really had me in tears was when he started laughing and waving both of his hands playfully. He went back to the grave and he was saying bye bye.

• 9:21Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I have chills. Oh, my God.

• 9:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Later that same weekend, my family and I were sitting around the kitchen area talking, and one of my little cousins was sitting off to the side and just started pouting. I go, what's wrong? And he says, man, I'm mad. I ask, why? What's wrong? He says, man, Aunt Ree said, I can't come with her. I ask, when did she say that? And he said that she said it this morning. But y'all, his Aunt Ree is my grandma who passed last year. Thanks for reading my story. See you on the other side, Nadia.

• 9:55Corinne Vien?

  So I just got chills again.

• 9:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my God.

• 9:58Corinne Vien?

  It's like kind of beautiful.

• 10:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I love it. Because they're all so connected and intertwined.

• 10:03Corinne Vien?

  Right.

• 10:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's all positive. I mean, it's sad to feel death on people and then for them to pass away, and also sad to bury so many loved ones. But like, clearly, you're all so connected to one another, because all of these hauntings are related to family members.

• 10:19Corinne Vien?

  And I also think that it's so beautiful that her son can see relatives so clearly, because I feel like that's another thing when people lose family members, like when they're pregnant, or when they're... I think it's just like a common thing where people are like... Like, oh, I wish you could have met. Like, my mom says all the time about my dad's dad. Like, oh, I wish you could have met your grandpa. Yeah. Like, he was such a great guy. And I think it's really beautiful that, like, sometimes they do. Sometimes they do. Just because they're gone doesn't mean they never get to meet them. Yeah. They most certainly will. Yeah, that's really sweet. That is really sweet. Also, this is a reminder. I feel like every year on Thanksgiving, we do say this. I mean, this is a note for everyone all the time, but I think we say it a lot on Thanksgiving because it is a time when you're gathered with family, friends, people that perhaps you don't see all the time.

• 11:05Corinne Vien?

  Sit them down, break that wishbone, I don't know, and say, "So what ghost stories have you been keeping from me and withholding from me? Because I need to know them so I can tell my good friends, Corinne and Sabrina, Two Girls and One Ghost Podcast." It's the perfect opportunity. I would also argue that this is a conversation starter that will get people excited, riled up. And also, it's not overly divisive, although maybe some people feel like it is, but I feel like it's kind of a safe. Doesn't that sound like drums? Hello? The British are coming. The Americans! That was so weird. That is weird. It really sounded like reenactment militia drums. I don't know. Interesting. Anyway, ask friends and family for ghost stories.

• 11:46Corinne Vien?

  And if you are someone who doesn't have the opportunity to be with friends and family this Thanksgiving, we can be your friends and family and you can tell ghost stories right now with us. Hey! To Two Girls and Ghosts. We'll be your company. Yes.

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• 12:32Corinne Vien?

  So I patted myself on the back, but really it should have been a pat on the back for Helix. Right now, you can get 25% off sitewide plus two free dream pillows with any mattress purchase. You could get a free bedding bundle, so two dream pillows, sheet sets, and mattress protector with any luxe or elite mattress order. And you can do so by heading to helixsleep.com/tgog. I feel like every year I usually pick ones that are like really heartwarming because it's like, oh, whatever Thanksgiving. And this year I picked one that is and one that's not. Because they both happened around Thanksgiving time. So I was like, that's the direction I'm gonna take this year.

• 13:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I went for like, I searched Thanksgiving, but then I also picked something that was like clearly a subject line for me. And I'm grateful for that. I made it about me. I'm selfish.

• 13:19Corinne Vien?

  No, you are for you. You are not for everyone else.

• 13:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is witchy behavior. I'm just being us.

• 13:25Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah, I'm just being us.

• 13:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause you and I are one.

• 13:30Corinne Vien?

  I'm just being us.

• 13:34Corinne Vien?

  It's funny that you're like, I'm just being us because when Marissa was here visiting, I caught myself one time and I said, okay, I promise that this is the last time I'm gonna bring up Sabrina because you were just in all of my stories. So like, I talk about you constantly.

• 13:49Corinne Vien?

  And I was like, I promise I'm not obsessed with Sabrina. I mean, every second of my life.

• 13:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We like, don't do much outside of spending time with each other.

• 13:56Corinne Vien?

  Right. Yeah. Every story I had for the past year, I'm like, so me and Sabrina, so Sabrina told me, so Sabrina this, Sabrina that. I'm like, wow.

• 14:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And I'm also like your capsule into the outside world.

• 14:06Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, you tell me what happens beyond the walls.

• 14:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Eyes and ears.

• 14:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I follow you on social media. I see some things. This is called Shapeshifter Cannibal Deer.

• 14:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A not deer, maybe.

• 14:17Corinne Vien?

  Hola, I just recently started listening to your podcast. I didn't start at the beginning. I'm working my way backwards. I would be lying if I said I knew which episode I'm on and nobody wants to start something on a lie. So yeah. My name is Jenny. You pronounce it like Forrest Gump says Jenny without the southern twang.

• 14:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So just Jenny?

• 14:34Corinne Vien?

  Well, it's interesting because it's spelled G, or no, J.

• 14:39Corinne Vien?

  E N N A Y like

• 14:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 14:41Corinne Vien?

  Janay. So is it Janay? It's Janay, not Jenny, Janay.

• 14:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Instead of Janay. Or is it just Jenny, but it looks like it's spelled Janay?

• 14:50Corinne Vien?

  Oh, no.

• 14:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, we'll say it.

• 14:53Corinne Vien?

  Janay.

• 14:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Janay.

• 14:56Corinne Vien?

  I'm sorry. I think it's Janay. I'm gonna say Janay.

• 14:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 15:00Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 15:02Corinne Vien?

  I have a few stories to share with you. But I'm writing this on a whim, so I will stick with one that won't require me to sit down and think about the timeline.

• 15:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fair.

• 15:10Corinne Vien?

  Picture this, somewhere in Pennsylvania, 2016.

• 15:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 15:14Corinne Vien?

  I was driving back home to New York for Thanksgiving from Nashville. I was rocking out to Metallica, minding my own business, and I started feeling very nervous. I couldn't explain it, so I convinced myself that it was just the insane amount of coffee and Red Bull that I was smashing during my journey.

• 15:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Smashing.

• 15:29Corinne Vien?

  All of a sudden, my Bluetooth started going out, and I was pissed. I was like, what the fuck? This shouldn't be happening. I hadn't listened to FM radio in years. I was damn sure I wasn't about to start doing that during this long ass boring drive.

• 15:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hell, no.

• 15:42Corinne Vien?

  I cuss a lot. It is my thing.

• 15:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fuck it.

• 15:44Corinne Vien?

  Thankfully.

• 15:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Fuck it, Jenny.

• 15:49Corinne Vien?

  Thankfully, whatever malfunction was going on remedied itself. Now to the juicy part.

• 15:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Juicy.

• 15:54Corinne Vien?

  So you like caressed your thigh while you said.

• 15:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, I was juicy. It's like the Mean Girls dance.

• 16:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 16:04Corinne Vien?

  So along the deserted highway was something in the median on the driver's side. I was cruising on the left lane, so I slowed down because crashing equals a horrible fucking road trip.

• 16:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, don't want that.

• 16:14Corinne Vien?

  No. I have never seen a creature like this before.

• 16:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, no.

• 16:18Corinne Vien?

  It resembled a deer, but it was on its back legs, and it was eating roadkill. Yes, all of that is fucked up. Deer don't do that, but that's not all, though. It had these fangs, sort of like a werewolf, and it had these black eyes that radiated their darkness through the dark night. And I know that this makes zero sense, but now imagine being me. So the radio, I just about died when it stopped working. It literally turned off. I didn't realize it at the time, but it did. Me and this fucking thing held eye contact as I passed. I looked in the rearview window as I passed it, and it was there in the road, looking back at me. I know because of the eyes. They were black, but they were glowing and I can't articulate it.

• 17:00Corinne Vien?

  I spent about five minutes driving like a bat out of hell in silence. And that's when I realized that the music had turned off.

• 17:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Again?

• 17:07Corinne Vien?

  Well, I think it like, it started to like go in and out and then the second-

• 17:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And then it fully turned off.

• 17:11Corinne Vien?

  The second they made eye contact, it just, I was so scared. I didn't even try to turn it back on. Now I was listening to One by Metallica, but when the radio kicked back on about 10 minutes later, I was on Enter Sandman during the prayer hook. I turned off my fucking radio so fast and started saying the Lord's Prayer over and over and over again. And I didn't talk about it for a while because who the fuck would believe that? Well, we would.

• 17:35Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Us. This is horrifying.

• 17:37Corinne Vien?

  So that's it. My short story explaining whatever the fuck I saw in the mountains of Pennsylvania. I fucking hate driving through there. So I guess it's a thing to say, see you on the other side. So yeah, I'll see you there. Jenny.

• 17:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  What the fuck is this thing? I feel like I'm just gonna curse a lot because Jenny, Jenny said it's cool, so we're gonna curse all over the place. Sorry. I like tried to think of a curse word to say in that sentence and I couldn't.

• 17:59Corinne Vien?

  We're trying to absorb your personality right now, the one that we made up from the tone of your email.

• 18:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. But what the fuck? It seems like that moment probably was in reality only 30 ish seconds, but feels like in the way that Jenna experienced it was 10 minutes long and like the eye contact. And seeing every detail of this not dear creature.

• 18:24Corinne Vien?

  Yeah. And it's like being alone on the road.

• 18:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And rocking out, just like doing your normal, your, it's Thanksgiving, like you're- This is the beginning of a horror movie.

• 18:32Corinne Vien?

  It is.

• 18:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Is what it is.

• 18:33Corinne Vien?

  And it's eating the roadkill.

• 18:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Standing on its back, two legs.

• 18:38Corinne Vien?

  Ew.

• 18:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's got New Jersey Devil vibes mixed with not dear.

• 18:42Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 18:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Mixed with cannibalism. It was Thanksgiving.

• 18:46Corinne Vien?

  It was feasting.

• 18:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It was feasting.

• 18:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yuck.

• 18:50Corinne Vien?

  It's not what you picture when you're driving home for the holidays.

• 18:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, it's not. But oftentimes, I feel like those drives do conjure up the weirdest things. Because so many people are on the road trying to get places and go places. There's probably just weird energy just festering all over the place.

• 19:09Corinne Vien?

  Everyone's anxious.

• 19:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 19:10Corinne Vien?

  There's always anxiety.

• 19:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 19:12Corinne Vien?

  Like, I feel like no one just goes home without it, right?

• 19:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you actually, I had a friend in college, and we've talked about this recently, like, sometimes knowing too much, I think, plagues you. And knowing, it's sometimes nicer to be more naive. Anyway, I had a friend in college who was the most pleasant, pure human I've ever met. I think about her so often because I've never met anyone else like this, where I'm like, she's a unicorn.

• 19:41Corinne Vien?

  She's a ray of sunshine.

• 19:42Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  A literal ray of sunshine.

• 19:43Corinne Vien?

  Like, her voice, every, just everything about her. I mean, I don't know this person, but I follow this person on social media. Her name is Kristin Johns, and I feel like she is, reminds me a lot of the person that you're talking about, where it's just like, just, it seems like pure innocence, just like a happy person with like that light, sweet voice. And just everyone who sees, like, they're so smiley and just happy.

• 20:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sees the best in everything, in every situation. Hopefully, knock on wood, it seems like has never experienced any trauma, was really well adjusted, had great parental figures. They communicate through their issues, or don't even have issues to communicate through.

• 20:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 20:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  If you exist, let us know.

• 20:22Corinne Vien?

  Well, that, the person we're thinking of probably doesn't have anxiety driving home for Thanksgiving.

• 20:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, true. They probably live at home.

• 20:28Corinne Vien?

  Do they get road rage? They probably do live at home. I think they did after college, didn't they?

• 20:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  She did.

• 20:33Corinne Vien?

  There we go.

• 20:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. If I lived at home, my mother and I would have some scars. This is a great email to read based on this conversation. It's called Teen Angst: Demons and Cute Cursed Items and Wee Cheese Things.

• 20:49Corinne Vien?

  Hey, so when I was a teenager, I used to live in a haunted house. Many things happened over the years and we generally concluded as a family that the house had bad vibes. But we did have a lot of great memories there. However, it was a house that had a lot of bad memories too, because at the time, my family was not getting along very well. Anyway, we had someone come bless the house this one time and the person blessing the house asked my dad if he kept anything in the house that might be an antique. This guy blessing the house pointed in a direction where he thought the antique might have been. And my dad was quite surprised that he pointed that way because in that room, in the closet, he had a knife that was given to him by his father, which he had gotten in Bali. The handle of the knife had a face that looked like a demon or a goblin.

• 21:34Corinne Vien?

  And this person who blessed the house said that the knife had an attachment to it, that it was large and a dark being causing havoc in the house. And it hangs around the house or in the backyard in a tree because it was not being taken care of properly. Interesting. In our region, certain knives and certain objects need to be taken care of with rituals where you cleanse the item and sort of give it a mini sacrifice. My dad did not know this, nor did his dad tell him that he had to do anything like that because he probably didn't know either. So this object was just collecting dust in the closet for years. So anyway, I and my siblings used to get a lot of sleep paralysis in that particular house. I used to get it quite often in my room, but I remember the very first time that I

• 22:16Corinne Vien?

  had sleep paralysis, I couldn't move and I saw a tall, dark figure hovering above me, sort of crouching down above me from the edge of my bed. I remember being terrified, but as I came to, being a fan of the paranormal even back then, I ran right to my family computer in the pitch darkness in the middle of the night to Google what the heck it was. And that is when I found all about sleep paralysis on the internet. I love this. I love like not even turning the lights on, being like, I need to know what this was. I'm so excited. Screen opened up in the darkness.

• 22:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, like horrifying, but I'm so stoked. Around that time, my sister used to sleep in my room with me. And in my room, she too had her first experience of sleep paralysis. It was a very similar experience. But instead of the dark figure hovering above my sister, my sister watched it hover over me.

• 23:06Corinne Vien?

  Oh, my God. This reminds me so much of your story with your sister, just like knowing everyone's parts are specifically their parts.

• 23:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right, but our listener is saying that her sister was paralyzed seeing her experience the sleep paralysis.

• 23:20Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 23:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, it's wild. So she couldn't move or speak. When we spoke about it later, we started to call this thing Blackie. I don't know why, but this house, every time we talk about ghost experiences, we link it to our friend Blackie. You could imagine me and my sister's surprise after someone described Blackie again, years after both of us experienced the sleep paralysis. Here are two theories on why we experienced it. One, it had something to do with that knife that my dad had in the closet. Or two, is that I probably did not make things better because when I was an angsty teenager, I decided it would be cool to make a Ouija board with my own blood.

• 23:57Corinne Vien?

  What the?

• 24:01Corinne Vien?

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• 24:20Speaker 02

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• 24:24Corinne Vien?

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• 24:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  When I played.

• 24:35Corinne Vien?

  Also, like, what? I need to know all the other materials. Like, it's not just like a pool of blood and then you wrote your, like, the letters in it, right?

• 24:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 24:42Corinne Vien?

  I imagine the letters were written in blood. And did the idea come like when you cut yourself and you were like, oh, I'll use this blood? Or did you, did you like prick your finger to create it?

• 24:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think there was an active choice in creating it.

• 24:54Corinne Vien?

  Man.

• 24:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We need more information.

• 24:57Corinne Vien?

  This is a weird question, but I wonder how long blood stays. Like if you were to get like a nosebleed and you just collected it in a jar and you put it in the fridge, like how long is that good for?

• 25:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Good for like?

• 25:06Corinne Vien?

  You're gonna be drinking it?

• 25:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, for crafting.

• 25:08Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 25:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like, how long does it stay liquid?

• 25:10Corinne Vien?

  How long can you use it to create a blood Ouija board until it's like, this is?

• 25:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And does it become like dangerous? Does it grow mold?

• 25:17Corinne Vien?

  Oh, that's interesting.

• 25:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Does blood grow mold? I like how I look to the cameras as if someone is gonna respond immediately.

• 25:24Corinne Vien?

  Someone will.

• 25:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We're gonna, we should, we should just take to the internet.

• 25:27Corinne Vien?

  We need a, we need a phlebotomist.

• 25:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hey Siri.

• 25:31Corinne Vien?

  Is that, is that the right word?

• 25:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Phlebotomist?

• 25:33Corinne Vien?

  A phlebotomist?

• 25:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 25:35Corinne Vien?

  I think those are the blood people.

• 25:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  The blood people.

• 25:38Corinne Vien?

  The people made of blood.

• 25:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Blood?

• 25:40Corinne Vien?

  Grow mold.

• 25:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Outside of the body.

• 25:43Corinne Vien?

  And get moldy or bacterial contamination, especially if left at room temperature.

• 25:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 25:48Corinne Vien?

  Curious how long this blood Ouija board was.

• 25:50Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Can I tell you the three or the four different Reddit threads that came up when I Googled that? Labrats, Witchcraft, Morbid Questions, Moldy Interesting.

• 26:01Corinne Vien?

  I feel like all four of those perfectly are encapsulated in what we talk about.

• 26:06Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Exactly. Those are our favorite Reddit threads.

• 26:08Corinne Vien?

  That's our, that's our genre.

• 26:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, here, Saz is with a blood made Ouija board. And when I played the Ouija board, I didn't really have any responses, but when I look back, I do think all of the sleep paralysis and encounters with Blackie happened after my blood Ouija board creation. So maybe I summoned him? Was it a result of keeping this Ouija board a secret from my family? We moved out eventually, but my sister and brother stayed for a few months after the rest of the family moved to a different house. They were eventually forced to move out of the house because it was mostly empty. And also because they got scared of the strange noises and happenings. They amplified when the rest of us had moved out. And the house eventually felt oppressive and dark the longer they stayed.

• 26:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, I'm a much calmer adult now and despite my curiosity to the paranormal, I can safely say that I am only a content consumer of the occult, observing from a distance rather than being a practitioner by any means.

• 27:07Corinne Vien?

  Although I feel like practicing comes naturally because instead of just being like, "Oh, let me get a piece of paper," or "Let me go buy a Ouija board from Toys R Us." Saz is like, "I know how to make this."

• 27:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think Saz has changed their tune about it. It's like, "I'm no longer crafting."

• 27:23Corinne Vien?

  No longer crafting?

• 27:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No longer crafting. Is that where witchcraft comes from? It's like a little craft corner?

• 27:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, that's exactly what my train of thought was just going to. I was like, "How fun is this?"

• 27:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 27:33Corinne Vien?

  And it also makes me especially happy talking about it this way because from our Discord channel, the Two Girls One Goes Discord channel, you guys can join it. It's open to anyone. There is a group of people who do crafts together.

• 27:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  They do.

• 27:45Corinne Vien?

  Witchcraft. There we go. You've heard it here first. We discovered witchcraft.

• 27:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's ours.

• 27:52Corinne Vien?

  TM.

• 27:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Witch. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed my story. Thank you, T G O G. Much love, Saz from Bruni? I don't know where that is.

• 28:01Corinne Vien?

  Me neither.

• 28:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway, thanks, Saz.

• 28:03Corinne Vien?

  Interesting.

• 28:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyone else create a Ouija board with their own blood? Because I would love to know more about that.

• 28:08Corinne Vien?

  I know. And how long did Saz keep this board? I need to know that.

• 28:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How much blood does it take, is my question?

• 28:14Corinne Vien?

  And do we have a picture? Is there a Polaroid?

• 28:16Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Do you still have the board? What do you do with the board?

• 28:18Corinne Vien?

  Did you scrapbook? Did you create a scrapbook of your?

• 28:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Of your blood? Have you ever done a bloodletting ceremony?

• 28:23Corinne Vien?

  No, have you?

• 28:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Have you ever become like? No. Have you ever become blood brothers with anyone?

• 28:28Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 28:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Would you like to become one?

• 28:30Corinne Vien?

  No.

• 28:31Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This does seem like something we would do with the Brotherhood.

• 28:33Corinne Vien?

  Yes, but I'm so aware of diseases.

• 28:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, we can drip it into like a bowl and like, you know, like a mortar and pestle. We'll mortar and pestle our-

• 28:43Corinne Vien?

  I would mortar and pestle my blood with you.

• 28:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay.

• 28:45Corinne Vien?

  Great. Quick. We've got to text the Brotherhood. First, the hair rat tail braid.

• 28:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know if we've talked about that.

• 28:52Corinne Vien?

  Second, how we?

• 28:52Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think we did.

• 28:53Corinne Vien?

  Yes, we did.

• 28:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It might have been in the unrecorded episode.

• 28:56Corinne Vien?

  Oh, was it?

• 28:57Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I think so.

• 28:58Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 28:58Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We made a, um, strange Ghost Girls Brotherhood Colton Coven.

• 29:03Corinne Vien?

  Colton Coven, it's such a hard name to remember.

• 29:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have a Brotherhood Colton Coven with Ash and Elena of Morbid. That is a book club slash paranormal investigative group.

• 29:11Corinne Vien?

  Slash friendship.

• 29:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Slash friendship.

• 29:13Corinne Vien?

  It's just a friend group that does weird things.

• 29:15Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That does weird things together. And one of the weird things we did, it's a yes and group.

• 29:18Corinne Vien?

  It is.

• 29:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No one's ever said no to anything anyone's pitched.

• 29:23Corinne Vien?

  Ever.

• 29:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Inspired by the book Slough Foot by Brahm, we cut off chunks of our hair and braided them all together, making a witchy rat tail that is traveling. It's a traveling rat tail.

• 29:36Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, I'm trying to find my like little, my little spot.

• 29:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I haven't been able to find it.

• 29:41Corinne Vien?

  Oh, I found it.

• 29:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Wow, you're.

• 29:42Corinne Vien?

  I know exactly where it is. I can feel Ash on the back of my head chopping it off.

• 29:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And now we are gonna have a mortar and pestle blood coven.

• 29:50Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, yeah, okay.

• 29:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Next book club.

• 29:52Corinne Vien?

  Okay. I have an email that is called, "Jesus gave me golden wings, a grandfather sets me free, and the cat sees a ghost."

• 30:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This does sound lovely.

• 30:03Corinne Vien?

  It does, right? Hi, ghostesses. I'm fairly new to the podcast.

• 30:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, how interesting.

• 30:09Corinne Vien?

  As I first learned about you from the Morbid gals.

• 30:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Haha, serendipity.

• 30:13Corinne Vien?

  I joined your Patreon and I'm trying to go through all of the archives a few at a time, while also listening to all of the new stuff. Obviously, I love the podcast. I wouldn't be here sending in my stories to you.

• 30:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or a Patreon member.

• 30:22Corinne Vien?

  Or a Patreon member, thank you. But I wanted to say one thing about you guys that I really appreciate. Oh, it's turning off the compliments.

• 30:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you.

• 30:28Corinne Vien?

  Thank you. Thanks to us.

• 30:30Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's Thanksgiving.

• 30:31Corinne Vien?

  It's Thanksgiving.

• 30:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you.

• 30:32Corinne Vien?

  So send us compliments.

• 30:34Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Compliment us. I feel like everyone who emails us starts with a compliment.

• 30:37Corinne Vien?

  They do.

• 30:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 30:37Corinne Vien?

  We always read them. We could omit them, but why?

• 30:41Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But why?

• 30:41Corinne Vien?

  Most, if not all of what you cover is material that gets a hefty helping of side eye from the vast majority of the population, including my husband. Every time you read other stories, you take the time to explore the details and share your thoughts on the possibilities of meanings and causes, including new theories of your own. It's really validating to those who write in because we all believe in what we've experienced.

• 31:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 31:02Corinne Vien?

  Because we experience. Experienced it. So, thank you for creating space where people can share and feel believed and encouraged.

• 31:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's really nice.

• 31:10Corinne Vien?

  That is nice.

• 31:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sometimes I forget, like it's, because we believe in it so much, like I don't even consider it not being possible.

• 31:17Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, it doesn't feel like we're putting effort into believing anyone's.

• 31:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And we're also just like, we genuinely want to know and we are so curious.

• 31:26Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 31:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Because there is no, right now where we are in history and in knowledge, we don't have explanation yet. So it is a lot of hypothesizing and exploring what ifs and maybe it's this. And I think that's so much of the fun of the paranormal.

• 31:43Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 31:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why not?

• 31:44Corinne Vien?

  Why not?

• 31:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 31:46Corinne Vien?

  That's our slogan. It's like got milk or like just do it.

• 31:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Two girls, one ghost.

• 31:50Corinne Vien?

  Why not? I've always been very sensitive to energy and can often feel things that others don't. I've had wild sensory experiences that I can't explain or justify. For example, during the attacks on nine eleven, I could feel the chaos inside the towers.

• 32:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 32:06Corinne Vien?

  I could smell smoke. I could hear the alarms and the screams.

• 32:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 32:09Corinne Vien?

  I felt lost in the darkness of the stairwells and I could even hear the wind in the ears of people jumping to their deaths. I didn't try to feel these things. It just happened to me.

• 32:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  How old was she?

• 32:21Corinne Vien?

  I have no idea.

• 32:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Geez.

• 32:23Corinne Vien?

  Fortunately, I could turn it on and off, but even to this day, I can clearly recall the experience.

• 32:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That to me, it feels like it backs up this idea of universal consciousness so much that like, we are all connected to one another.

• 32:37Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 32:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And if you are able, like you can connect to that. I think of it as like the computer web systems.

• 32:44Corinne Vien?

  Yes.

• 32:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And the way that everything's pinging off of each other.

• 32:47Corinne Vien?

  Literally fungi, like.

• 32:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 32:49Corinne Vien?

  What was that study? There was like some study where they like took some fungi and like that has like some sort of reaction.

• 32:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 32:56Corinne Vien?

  Oh God, I can't remember, but basically it was like, they took something that in like a group of mushrooms or fungi or whatever, like has some, a certain reaction. They like brought it three thousand miles away from like where it was and it still was like interacting.

• 33:08Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And communicating with its like host colony of cells.

• 33:13Corinne Vien?

  It is wild.

• 33:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We are fungus.

• 33:15Corinne Vien?

  We are. We're stardust, we're fungus, we're creepy little meat suits.

• 33:18Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 33:18Corinne Vien?

  And we're just here to have a fun time.

• 33:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why not?

• 33:22Corinne Vien?

  We don't know what to say. We're just like, why not? Another time, I was in my third of a series of craniosacral therapy sessions, trying to get relief from severe pain from TMJ disorder. If you don't know what that is, it's an alternative therapy using gentle touch to feel and manipulate the energy of the craniosacral fluid that flows along the spinal cord. Listen, I was the biggest skeptic, but I was desperate. As I was getting zero pain relief from anything that I could take and still pick up my children from school without getting a DUI. Anyway, the first two sessions were uneventful, but I'd paid for three. There I was. About halfway through the session, the therapist asked me if I had anxiety. And if so, what part of the body did it reside?

• 34:05Corinne Vien?

  I said, yes, and then I felt it in my chest. I can't recall what she said after that, but it was something along the lines of, "Close your eyes and visualize it leaving your body." So I started imagining it as this black sticky substance completely covering my lungs. I'm an artist, so visualizing weird shit is my jam, but it got really weird. Huge golden wings started growing outward from my back. Not literally, duh, but all of this just was happening in my imagination without any intention or effort on my part. So I grew wings and then Jesus appeared?

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• 35:12Corinne Vien?

  That's right, the big J, the man himself. And I'm not even religious, mind you. I kind of believe anything is possible and that we've never really had all the answers to the other side of the bill.

• 35:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Literally what we were just talking about.

• 35:24Corinne Vien?

  Why not?

• 35:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why not?

• 35:26Corinne Vien?

  So I just accepted everything as could be the truth. Jesus proceeded to place his hands on my lungs, which caused all the black gunk to start melting. He then put his hands below my lungs to catch it all as it ran out. But as soon as it hit his hands, all of it turned to streams and streams of pearls that spilled and poured out all over the place.

• 35:47Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  This is beautiful.

• 35:48Corinne Vien?

  I know. And then it was over. I opened my eyes, I looked at the therapist and said, "What the fuck was that?" And I don't remember what she said, but I left that place absolutely stunned. And oddly enough, I never had any more trouble with TMJ pain.

• 36:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Whoa.

• 36:04Corinne Vien?

  I have seen or felt a few ghosts in my years. One time I saw a boy from the 1800s running and skipping along the porch of this very old house in my town. I've seen a woman in a white dress and all kinds of shadowy movements. When I was a kid, I had several experiences where I felt this overwhelming evil presence in my house. And it was extremely dangerous and it took the form of witches in my mind. But that's probably because my parents watched Salem's Lot one night after I'd gone to bed and I could hear the terror from my room. But no, thank you. I've never been a horror flick kind of gal. And I can watch and I can listen to the horrors of true crime all day long, but do not come at me with demons or clowns that can control your mind. Anyway, this dark, heavy presence would arrive suddenly and take over my body. I would be unable to move a single muscle.

• 36:50Corinne Vien?

  And when I tried to call out for my mom, I couldn't make any sound at all.

• 36:53Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, so sad.

• 36:54Corinne Vien?

  All I could feel was white, hot fear until I would finally be able to break the silence and call out for her to help me. She always told me that I just had this overactive imagination, but why would I choose to imagine something like that?

• 37:07Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  No, you wouldn't.

• 37:09Corinne Vien?

  I didn't know anything about sleep paralysis back then, but my experience sounds similar to other stories that I've heard about that. And I never saw a figure, but I sure did feel it.

• 37:19Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That's enough.

• 37:19Corinne Vien?

  Mm hmm. My favorite ghost experience was one I had with my grandfather. My father's dad was a very quiet man and he didn't really have much to say when the family got together. He would just sit quietly, enjoying the rest of us as we chattered and laughed. As a result, I didn't really get to know him that well. One fall, when I was in college, I had a long weekend break and didn't have any school on Monday or Tuesday. My parents had told my grandparents that we would be over for the weekend to visit. Sunday morning, they got the call from my grandfather, asking if we were still coming. I think he had assumed that I would have to get back to school on Sunday. It was a three hour drive away and that we weren't visiting after all. He must have been very concerned because he never called. Calling was always up to my grandmother. I do not remember one other time that he's ever called our house.

• 38:02Corinne Vien?

  That night, we were all sitting in the living room, visiting, when he had to excuse himself to go to the bathroom. He came back shortly after, but when he sat back down in his chair, his eyes rolled back in his head. He was having a heart attack. Everyone lost their shit. Dad got him to the floor and started CPR, yelling at him to wake up. My grandmother was screaming.

• 38:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 38:22Corinne Vien?

  And he died right there in front of us.

• 38:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 38:24Corinne Vien?

  And I will never forget how awful it was.

• 38:26Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so sorry.

• 38:28Corinne Vien?

  I was certain he knew that his time was near and that he wanted to see me one last time. After his funeral in the coming weeks, I felt overwhelmed with guilt now that he was gone. I'd never thought to chat him up, to ask him questions about his life, or really get to know him. And now he was gone, and I struggled a lot with this. Around Thanksgiving, I was back at home and I was telling my mom what a hard time I was having moving past that guilt. That night, I was laying in bed, not thinking of anything in particular, just trying to go to sleep, when all of a sudden, the room got super still and quiet. Not the usual stillness and quiet during sleeping hours, but like I was suddenly in a vacuum. And I remember looking at the ceiling fan, wondering why on earth I couldn't feel a breeze anymore.

• 39:09Corinne Vien?

  And then I smelled dirt, like a dusty kind of old dirt that you would find piled up on left behind furniture in an abandoned house. I wasn't sure what to make of any of this, and I wasn't scared at all, I was just perplexed. So I rolled over to my side to try to go to sleep, but there was something there in front of me beside my bed. And I couldn't see any kind of form, but something was there. I wasn't looking at the wall beyond, but rather the space between me and the wall, as if there was some solid form that was blocking my view of anything else. And I knew immediately that this was my grandfather. He'd come to help me move on. He didn't stay long, but long enough for me to know that all was okay.

• 39:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 39:45Corinne Vien?

  I was a bit freaked out after this, and I did call out for my mom. And when I explained to her what happened, I didn't say that I thought I'd been visited for fear that she wouldn't believe me. I just explained about the air and the smell, et cetera. But she asked me, "Do you think it was your grandfather?"

• 40:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh.

• 40:01Corinne Vien?

  And I said, "I know it was." And after that, I was able to leave the guilt behind and enjoy the memory of him, just as he was in my life.

• 40:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  That is so beautiful.

• 40:10Corinne Vien?

  Mm-hmm. Now for my spooky cat, who had his own little ghost visitation.

• 40:17Corinne Vien?

  Oh my God, I love that. Yeah. I guess that makes sense. Like cats, dogs, animals do see things on the other side. They also can have paranormal encounters. They just often can't tell us. Mm hmm. They just freak the fuck out. Yeah. We have a 10 month old black cat named Boo Radley, a Tequila Mockingbird. Oh. Reference. We call him Boo, Pookie Boo, Pumpkin, and occasionally Turd. Because he acts like one sometimes. I call him a little turd too. He's an indoor kitty, but we have a screened in porch that he gets to go on. And it's his favorite hangout. Oh, his catio. His catio. He was out there one morning and I was sitting just inside having my cup of coffee in bed.

• 40:57Corinne Vien?

  And all of a sudden, he approached the sliding glass door with his tail tucked butt low to the ground like a cat does when they're curious about something that frightens them a little bit. Yeah. I figured he was just looking at his reflection, but he's used to seeing that a lot in our house, in the glass doors, the various mirrors here and there. The mirrors specifically for Boo Radley. I like to think that there's just like little cat mirrors. Yeah, all set up on the ground. It's like tummy time for him. It's like when we were at Ash's house and there were the little like water bowls on the floor. And your instant, your first thought was, oh, Noah will love these when he's a little bit older. It's like Noah's gonna be drinking water out of like cat bowls. Ash, Ash had these like cat bowls. They were like little fountains. So it was like fresh water like circulating through. And I was like, I should put my breast milk in that. When Noah can like.

• 41:42Corinne Vien?

  Crawling around. Crawling. I was like, that will make it easier for me. I'll be independent. I'll just leave a bowl of breast milk. Noah is now a little cat. I mean, you do a lot of the same things that you do for animals for babies. Generally, he ignores his reflection, but his behavior was really off. He stopped about three feet from the door, raised his front paws up like he was trying to feel something in front of him. Oh. Eyes remaining transfixed towards the door. And after a few seconds, he dropped his front legs down by his side, but remained upright on his haunches, just staring. And this is when I started recording him on my phone. Yeah. He stood there for the long, no, there's just a picture. Oh. He stood there for the longest time for a cat in this trance-like state.

• 42:25Corinne Vien?

  His ears darting around as if he was hearing this sound, but the sound coming from every direction. His body would twitch every now and then, like he was just a little bit startled. And he sometimes was looking slightly left or right as if he could see something. But what? There was nothing there. Nothing was moving, not inside the house or out. There was no bugs, nothing unusual in the reflection from behind him. There was not one thing that I could discern or garner such a response from him. I can't stress enough how weird this behavior was. I've never seen him sit or act like this before or since. And if he thought that he was seeing another cat, he would not act like this at all. Remember us calling him a little turd? Well, that's because when he sees other cats, he stalks them and he plays attack cat.

• 43:08Corinne Vien?

  He's never passive. And we have two older cats and he drives them crazy, always trying to start something. Now, I probably would have just chalked this up to cats being these delightful little weirdos that they are. But then he started moving towards the door. He was very careful. He was moving super slow, pausing every few inches to survey what might be ahead. He peeked inside, looked around, took a few tentative steps forward, saw me, and then darted under the bed to hide, where he stayed for the next several hours.

• 43:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 43:39Corinne Vien?

  The porch behavior was certainly weird, but hiding under the bed is not his personality at all, especially for that long.

• 43:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 43:46Corinne Vien?

  Something had spooked him enough that he was not taking any chances. I'm convinced he had some sort of paranormal experience. His eyes stayed level with his own, so I'm guessing he was seeing maybe a ghost kitty? We did lose our beloved cat Peanut last year and she was 20 years old and an absolute queen of our household. She never was particularly friendly with other cats, so maybe she just stopped by to let him know that this was still her house. Okay, I'm not sure. I have to say, the Peanut put Boo in his place and he's been an angel ever since. But alas, he is still a turd. See you and all the fur babes on the other side, Jennifer.

• 44:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Interesting.

• 44:24Corinne Vien?

  Very interesting. That's a lot to unpack. Yeah, I mean, Jennifer is experiencing a ton, just like a lifetime of. Yeah. Paranormal experiences, intuition, psychic abilities, basically experiencing and witnessing the death of a loved one.

• 44:39Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm so sorry, that's so hard. But I do love that her grandfather did come to like, give a final goodbye and help ease any sadness and pain that Jennifer was experiencing. Experiencing the moment that Jennifer explained like the Jesus giving her wings and like the melting away that black tar and turning it into pearls reminds me so much of somatic therapy mixed with EMDR work.

• 45:02Corinne Vien?

  Oh.

• 45:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which is again, we've talked about this, how like therapy and magic and witchcraft all to me seems so intertwined.

• 45:09Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 45:10Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like shadow work is literally a combination of therapy and.

• 45:13Corinne Vien?

  Right. Yeah. Energy work and all that. It's magic. It is magic. And it also makes me wonder, like, I know we won't ever have the answers, but how much of it

• 45:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We might.

• 45:21Corinne Vien?

  Is our brain fixing itself? And how much of it is just like actual energy and like taking from things around us?

• 45:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Bone.

• 45:30Corinne Vien?

  It's also, you know, it creeps me out and I don't understand what, how like atoms, like we're, like, how do we exist?

• 45:37Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I know.

• 45:38Corinne Vien?

  Cause like the atoms are moving so fast. They're just like, how do we stay solid and not just like fully evaporate and just like,

• 45:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It's crazy.

• 45:45Corinne Vien?

  How does that happen? And then how do we like make wallpaper?

• 45:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We've had this conversation. How do you make any?

• 45:51Corinne Vien?

  Any.

• 45:51Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anything. Like, how do you make metal? How do you make?

• 45:55Corinne Vien?

  It doesn't make sense.

• 45:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 45:57Corinne Vien?

  And like people can be like, oh, you hear there's processes to make it, but like, like when you go down to how do atoms stay together?

• 46:03Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It makes no sense.

• 46:05Corinne Vien?

  No, it does not.

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• 46:38Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But I do have one last story and this is a great, me being grateful for someone sending me or us a story that.

• 46:44Corinne Vien?

  Sending me a story.

• 46:45Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Sending me a story. Because this is from our listener Amanda and it is called, do ghosts watch you having sex?

• 46:53Corinne Vien?

  Hmm.

• 46:54Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Thank you.

• 46:54Corinne Vien?

  Okay, this was sent for Sabrina.

• 46:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah, past lives and actual production. And then just straight into it, but seriously, it's a huge concern of mine. My mom recently passed away and I'm constantly looking for signs of her presence, hoping any little sound is her. And as much as we all believe ghosts are around us and some of us are hoping they're around us, has anyone else been disturbed that their ghostly loved one, like their mom, is also there while you're having sex?

• 47:17Corinne Vien?

  This is, it reminded me of, we might have it on the bookshelves at this point.

• 47:20Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I kissed a ghost and I liked it.

• 47:22Corinne Vien?

  Oh, well, Concetta Bertoldi's other book where it's like, do ghosts watch you shower or something like that?

• 47:28Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Oh, yes.

• 47:28Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 47:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yes.

• 47:29Corinne Vien?

  Or do dead people, I don't know what it is, but Concetta Bertoldi, she's got multiple books.

• 47:33Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Seriously, though, I knew this group would feel me on that huge concern of mine. Oh, like, for sure, ghosts are watching you have sex.

• 47:40Corinne Vien?

  Think about it a lot. Every time you hear like a little creak or a pop, you're like, who is that?

• 47:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 47:45Corinne Vien?

  I don't think about it when I'm having sex. I think about it when I'm pooping.

• 47:48Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Hmm. I think about it pretty much all the time. Like, if I'm in the shower, sometimes, sometimes when the thought crosses my mind and I am like in the shower, I'll go, ooh.

• 47:59Corinne Vien?

  Just a random little shimmy.

• 48:00Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Put a little show on.

• 48:01Corinne Vien?

  You're gonna get a reputation in the, in the astral, ghostly world. They're gonna be like, so I was just popping in, cruising by, and then this random naked lady just shimmies every once in a while. You've gotta come see it.

• 48:13Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  You gotta come see her tits.

• 48:15Corinne Vien?

  Weirdest thing, this one human, she showers and shimmies.

• 48:20Corinne Vien?

  Dude, that's how you'll get abducted. The aliens will hear about it and be like, that's a curious one.

• 48:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Listen, I do that all the time for the aliens, too.

• 48:25Corinne Vien?

  Keep doing it.

• 48:25Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I'm gonna go out in the woods and just be like, aliens!

• 48:29Corinne Vien?

  You're gonna make it into the Marblehead newspaper again, but for a different reason.

• 48:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Okay, well, if we go over to, um, what's the place in New Hampshire, the mountains where Betty and Barney Hill were abducted?

• 48:39Corinne Vien?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the White Mountains, like the Francine and Och area.

• 48:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I will shimmy my tits there for the aliens.

• 48:46Corinne Vien?

  Okay.

• 48:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Catch you there. Anyway, I'm actually emailing you guys to tell you of my coworker's story about how she hypnotized herself and saw her past lives, along with how she died and chose another dimensional version of herself to jump into.

• 48:58Corinne Vien?

  No way. Everything, everywhere, all at once.

• 49:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Crazy.

• 49:01Corinne Vien?

  I know.

• 49:02Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So I have to say, she does compliment us.

• 49:04Corinne Vien?

  Oh, thank you.

• 49:05Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Before your lovely podcast, which I am obsessed with, by the way, and have been since 2019, I never believed in reincarnation. Past lives or other dimensions. It all sounded really crazy to me, but you guys have opened up my eyes to how amazing people and this world can be more than we can see. So my coworker, let's call her G, is a very spiritual person who is very into feeling people's auras, hypnotizing, reading people's cards, et cetera. The other day I heard her chit chatting about how she thought a kid had been hypnotized into a previous life. The second I heard her say this, I pull her aside to talk to her. So these are her stories.

• 49:41Corinne Vien?

  So this was like a past life regression sort of thing?

• 49:44Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah. This is like a quote from G. "I had this intense fear of dogs. I had no rhyme or reason for that fear, but it would just consume me. So I decided to hypnotize myself. Next thing I knew, I was a young child, probably around six. And I was foraging for some food. When out of nowhere, some kind of prehistoric animal, like a big dog, but the size of a lion with a gigantic horn on its head, charged me and impaled me in the stomach, destroying a vital organ which resulted in my death. The next time I hypnotized myself was because I hate to cook, like absolutely hate it. I just knew there had to be a reason behind it. So I hypnotized myself again and I was back in the colonial days. I was a young girl and I had a pet goat.

• 50:27Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We were poor, no money for food and we were starving. So my parents decided to slaughter my pet goat and forced me to help cook the goat for dinner. No wonder why I hate to cook." G's last story has to do with an experience with another dimension. So G had to get surgery and this surgery felt off to her as if she had a piece about her life and it was complete. And in this surgery, the doctors had done something wrong and it ended up killing her. At this time, her soul left her body. She astral projected and was able to see herself below. In front of her astral self were all these geometrical shapes. She explained having the feeling like there were different versions of her life in other dimensions.

• 51:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So she grabbed one and it brought her back to her body, back to a surgery, back to life. But she had no mental connection to anything or anyone that was previously in her life. Even with her two kids, she couldn't remember her feelings. Of them being born or when they were little and they were opposite of what she remembered them as. Her daughter acted like her son and her son acted like her daughter from this life where she had died in surgery. She feels as if grabbing one of those shapes allowed her to use one of her other lives, but it pulled her into her current life, the one where I know her. And the emotional aspect stayed the same of the person that she took over.

• 51:46Corinne Vien?

  This is so wild and it reminds me so much of the stories that people share. Like I've seen some on like TikTok and Reddit and stuff where people are like, where they wake up from like a dream that feels like they lived a lifetime. And in this life, they don't have a child or something and they're like grieving.

• 52:01Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Or slightly off.

• 52:02Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, things are slightly off or it's like they had like a relationship or like a certain job or like a kid and they have to grieve that. It just like doesn't exist in the current life that they have.

• 52:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It makes me think also, we've read a story of someone who like doesn't connect with their family and has like different memories than all of their family members. We read this like not too long ago. Do you remember that one?

• 52:21Corinne Vien?

  Not really.

• 52:22Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Cause you read it.

• 52:24Corinne Vien?

  It's funny cause like I feel like we remember better like what we hear from the other person versus what we're just like saying.

• 52:29Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  So our listening retention is better than our reading retention?

• 52:32Corinne Vien?

  I guess so. But it's reminding me of an email that we've read years ago about that girl who graduated from two different colleges, but like only graduated from one, but has like foot. Wait, did we read this or did I see this online?

• 52:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  I don't know.

• 52:47Corinne Vien?

  Wait, maybe this was on TikTok.

• 52:49Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  We have no retention.

• 52:50Corinne Vien?

  No, no, no. But there was a girl who it was like, kind of like a glitch in the matrix situation where like she remembers graduating from this one specific college and has photos of her graduation from this college. But simultaneously in a scrapbook, there are photos of her graduating from a completely other college that she never like recalls going to, but like it exists, like both.

• 53:09Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Proof of both exist?

• 53:10Corinne Vien?

  Exist.

• 53:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which one's real?

• 53:12Corinne Vien?

  Good question. That is.

• 53:14Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which school has the record? But that's also like a weird glitch in a glitch. Like that's, that is, that's a bug in the programming.

• 53:21Corinne Vien?

  Yeah.

• 53:21Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Anyway.

• 53:21Corinne Vien?

  Fix it, you guys.

• 53:23Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Amanda said, I was blown away by G's stories and being in a world where people still don't believe in ghosts. I knew you guys would be the only other people who would be excited to hear stories of past lives and starting new lives. Hope this was as mind blowing to you as it was to me. It was. See you on the other side, but hopefully see you on this side, Amanda.

• 53:41Corinne Vien?

  Wow, those are wild. And it's, I mean, again, like, Many Lives, Many Masters, Brian Weiss, we have it right up there.

• 53:46Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 53:46Corinne Vien?

  The past life regression and connecting phobias to what happened to in a past life, the being attacked by that horned animal is really scary.

• 53:55Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  It feels very prehistoric.

• 53:56Corinne Vien?

  It does. That's why I was like, what, what is this animal?

• 53:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  My biggest question about this, like, glitching into another version of yourself story is, what happened to that one version, that one iteration? Where did they go?

• 54:10Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 54:11Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Which version of yourself had to die?

• 54:15Corinne Vien?

  Yeah, like, do you displace that person's

• 54:17Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Right.

• 54:18Corinne Vien?

  soul? Or is this kind of like what we had talked about before, where like every human is all connected to the same consciousness and we're just fragments chipped off for this like one celestial being to experience life in many different forms. And it's just absorbed into the next one. So like, maybe when she jumps, like, it's just like two pieces.

• 54:36Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Like splitting?

• 54:37Corinne Vien?

  Almost coming together. So like she died there and that part of her joined another part of her that already exists. So it's like,

• 54:43Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  But she has like no connection and like, it's weird, what part of consciousness is hers? And what part is the other version of hers? This is why it's confusing and complicated. And again, we know nothing, but.

• 54:56Corinne Vien?

  Why not?

• 54:56Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why not?

• 54:57Corinne Vien?

  Why not question? Why not ask?

• 54:59Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Why not believe?

• 55:00Corinne Vien?

  Why not email us your ghost stories at [email protected]?

• 55:04Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And why not ask all your friends and family and strangers and mailmen and milkmen if those still exist in your timeline?

• 55:11Corinne Vien?

  They're ghost stories.

• 55:12Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 55:12Corinne Vien?

  And email them to us. Join our Patreon if you want to get bonus content, full-length episodes, episodes ad-free and one week early, campfire stories, book club, all the good things, five dollars a month.

• 55:24Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  Yeah.

• 55:25Corinne Vien?

  Thank you so much to our editor, Jamie Ryan, for editing and producing our podcast. And thank you to all of you. We love you so much.

• 55:32Sabrina Deana-Roga?

  And be well.

• 55:33Corinne Vien?

  See you on the other side.

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