Let Kawhai Get Paid and Identity Theft was Easy in the 70s w/ Miles Gray

It's a sports compilation! Today, Laci is joined by the man who gave her the title Scam Goddess, Miles Gray. He loves 20 Day Fiancé and fútbol, plus he used to be part of Christina Aguilera's crew, so you know he's cool. But today we're talking about some of the most scandalous schemes in sports history, including Kawhi Leonard getting paid for some ads that he didn't ever do so he could stay on the Clippers, Tom Brady's infamous Deflategate, and a man who pretended to be an athlete so hard he actually participated in a spring training. Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform https://www.freeform.com/show/40ae2af2-10c8-4766-9598-5c769c087267/about-the-show and Hulu https://www.hulu.com/series/scam-goddess-9b6dbb88-4789-4069-bedb-3dfd3a084f23! Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod https://www.instagram.com/scamgoddesspod?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw== Laci Mosley: @divalaci https://www.instagram.com/divalaci/ See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:49Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin' congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with a podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. One thing for sure is that we likely will laugh at them, but never at the victims, okay? Yes! Y'all, I'm very excited, elated, thrilled. This is a Landmark episode. I don't even know if y'all are gonna be able to tell. You'll be able to tell when I tell y'all for real. But I am now at iHeartRadio, my home originally. If you're an OG TDZ Daily Zeitgeist fan, you know, I used to be up in there like swimwear, honey, back in the twenty one or the twenty and then it was a one in front of it, the twenty teens.

• 2:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but now I'm so grateful to have y'all. Give it up. Get up out your seat, park your car, stand out in the street. Okay, it's that serious. I have the man, my, one of my podcast godfathers, who literally gave me the name Scam Goddess on an episode of the Daily Zeitgeist on the show. He is an official member of the Christina Aguilera Posse. He's currently the number one Arsenal fan, period. He's the host of the Daily Zeitgeist and four twenty day fiance. Please give it up for Miles Gray.

• 3:04Speaker 04

  No, thank you. I humble myself. I bow prostrate before you, Scam Goddess. Yeah, yeah, that's, that's the formal term. Nah, I didn't say prostate, prostrate.

• 3:15Laci Mosley?

  I was like, you got, you getting a check?

• 3:17Speaker 04

  I stand before you for the prostate exam. No, thank you for having me. I didn't realize you were having me on the first episode. So that feels very appropriate. And I think we've always said, we, look, we, we messed up. We didn't get you the first time.

• 3:33Laci Mosley?

  That's so sorry for two thousand and four.

• 3:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  But now I, I'm just, I was just so happy that, uh, we get to be label mates, you know?

• 3:42Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 3:43Speaker 04

  And, and kick it off like this.

• 3:45Laci Mosley?

  Death Row Records for life, okay?

• 3:47Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 3:48Laci Mosley?

  No, literally for life, because I heard they kill you if you leave.

• 3:51Speaker 04

  That's true. That's true.

• 3:52Laci Mosley?

  So we down.

• 3:53Speaker 04

  No, I mean, then you don't need to send that through standards and practices. They will, they know. That's.

• 3:57Laci Mosley?

  No, yeah, they know. It's one of the standards and one of the practices.

• 4:00Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 4:00Laci Mosley?

  That's why we got the whole, you know what I mean?

• 4:02Speaker 04

  They took one of my pet turtles.

• 4:04Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah. Slowpoke. Yeah, you never gonna see him again.

• 4:08Speaker 04

  No, and I like to believe that he might have his own show somewhere.

• 4:12Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I hope he not up there with Franklin. I'm assuming Franklin passed by now, because he was a hundred when I was a kid. So he's probably gone.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 4:20Laci Mosley?

  So Miles, on this podcast, we love to talk about scams, fraud, cons, and we love a little warm up. So I want to get your opinions about a few different topics. And you let me know if you think it's a scam, a scheme, or a real thing. So a scam is something that we, under no circumstances, should be legal, is legal, or is illegal, what we have. It's a full on scam. We know that. A scheme is something that feels scammy, but you know, it is protected by the law. Or, you know, it isn't protected by the law, but somehow it's just a practice that keeps happening. And then a real thing is something that is a legitimate pillar of society, like a rule that we need to follow, or something that helps us in our lives.

• 5:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 5:01Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 5:01Speaker 04

  I'm ready.

• 5:02Laci Mosley?

  So, my first question for you, Miles, great. Christina Aguilera's posse.

• 5:08Laci Mosley?

  Which, wait, I don't even.

• 5:09Speaker 04

  Why did that, how did that even come up?

• 5:13Laci Mosley?

  What have you been doing with Christina Aguilera, Miles?

• 5:15Speaker 04

  Recently? Nothing.

• 5:17Laci Mosley?

  Recently?

• 5:17Speaker 04

  I have not seen that person since the year of our Lord, 2006 or 7.

• 5:22Laci Mosley?

  But the fact that you said recently, I don't know, Miles, is full of lore. Like, we could honestly just do a whole episode on his life, his grandparents.

• 5:28Speaker 04

  Later on, I am like a Forrest Gump type figure, I have realized, if I put it all on paper. Yeah, a lot of very weird. I was just talking to, I was telling somebody about how I invited Mark Jacobs to my 22nd birthday party.

• 5:39Laci Mosley?

  I love that.

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Because I met him at a party with Christina Aguilera. I had access to people back then.

• 5:45Laci Mosley?

  You was really out here. You, and you're still out here. And I love that.

• 5:48Speaker 04

  I'm still out here, and I'm still 41. You know what I mean?

• 5:51Laci Mosley?

  Period.

• 5:51Speaker 04

  Doing it, doing it.

• 5:52Laci Mosley?

  Doing it, honey.

• 5:53Speaker 04

  Okay, so let's do it.

• 5:54Laci Mosley?

  So scams game a real thing. First one up, holiday sales. Do we think that these are, like, so, for instance, like, the 4th of July, you know, like, they have the, I remember when I was a kid, my Auntie Alexis would always buy me a 4th of July t-shirt. Because y'all know 4th of July, see, that's my birthday. So she would always get me a t-shirt on sale at Old Navy. You know, like, they used to have like little blowout sales for like, all the holidays. I mean, obviously, Black Friday, like, all, yeah, all these holidays.

• 6:20Speaker 04

  Memorial Day, Easter, whatever, yeah.

• 6:23Laci Mosley?

  Which Memorial Day always felt tacky to me. Like, are we celebrating, like, our soldiers who, yeah, who have passed away, giving their lives up for our country? And we like, and we got a sale.

• 6:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, they gave.

• 6:33Laci Mosley?

  We know your husband didn't come back, but don't you need a frame for that American flag? We got it for $2.99.

• 6:40Speaker 04

  Right, exactly. And for all the added labor you have from being the only parent in a household due to the war, why not get a deep discount on this washing machine?

• 6:49Laci Mosley?

  Right, we got dices on sale for all of you.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  That's doing work too.

• 6:52Laci Mosley?

  Bereaved families. Oh, what are we doing?

• 6:55Speaker 04

  Um, and look, and look, I bet that joke could have gone anywhere, but um, for me, realistically, I believe that it is a scam. It's actually a scheme for gonna be real, like, cause it's all just, it's all language, but in honesty, it's a scam. Like, they're just selling things at a price that's still, they are still able to profit from. So I was like, why isn't this the price all the time?

• 7:17Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and a lot of people were pointing out in um, recent Black Fridays over the years, cause we know Black Friday ain't black no more. I don't know what she is.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Dolce all Friday.

• 7:27Laci Mosley?

  Right, she's not giving black. I don't, I don't know what. Okay, it's giving red Friday, cause babes, we're in the red. My bank account is still in the red when we're shopping now, like, what's happening? And, and some people have gone into stores and realized that employees have put like, sales ticker, stickers over the original price. And some of those Black Friday sales stickers are actually more expensive than the price was before the Black Friday sale. So I think a lot of stores have started to

• 7:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:54Laci Mosley?

  Flip over, just like the airlines did when Spirit pulled up and all the local, like, low fare, you know, discount airlines. And they started charging for basic amenities that we used to get. Delta switched over to doing that too, and I've talked about that on an episode. And I think that stores might be doing that too, where it's like, we know we're gonna have a high amount of foot traffic because people come in expecting a deal. So instead of giving them a deal,

• 8:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:14Laci Mosley?

  we might as well just run it up, since we gonna have a store full of people.

• 8:18Speaker 04

  Yes, and that's why people need to be, this is where you have to be like how, I like, I was when I was a teenager and I wanted something, like, you had to obsess about something for months, cause you didn't have the money for it. And you just obsessed about the price. So you knew when something was actually priced, you're like, no, that is actually the best price for this insert consumer good here.

• 8:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  And if you don't know that, that, yeah, you're gonna walk into it and be like, no, this shit is, it was, it was this price, like, literally three weeks ago.

• 8:46Laci Mosley?

  Like, what happened to the dad lore? I remember dads used to shop for TVs like they were shopping for cars.

• 8:51Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 8:52Laci Mosley?

  Like, before the price went down, Astronomical TVs, and they became more regular. You know, I remember, you know, my dad being on the websites like, ooh, they got this new uh, Samsung, and it's about to drop, like.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Oh, it does seven twenty P H D. Wow, that's a good number. I didn't fit this this new H D thing I just heard. Yeah, it really was. I remember the first time I thought I could afford a T V. That was humbling. Uh, was like probably two thousand seven and I was like, yeah, I'm gonna get a fucking flat screen T V. And then they they did a credit check and I was like, do we have to do all this? Is it that much? How much is it for this one? And yeah, it's crazy how much how much cheaper T Vs are now.

• 9:30Laci Mosley?

  Right, they really are. So, you know, when we farmed out all the labor and ruined our country's infrastructure with many industries, things came a lot cheaper. Yes.

• 9:39Speaker 04

  Look, that's the trade off. That's the trade off. You don't have healthcare, but you can have a you can have a T V the size of your goiter.

• 9:47Laci Mosley?

  Right, like who needs clean air, baby? We got Love Island on tonight and I.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  Put that on there. Pretend you're breathing that air from the T V show.

• 9:54Laci Mosley?

  Pretend you're breathing that Fiji air. That's all we can do.

• 9:56Speaker 04

  And if you need to just get an Old Spice thing of Fiji deodorant and then you sniff that.

• 10:02Laci Mosley?

  And, you know, there obviously, we're talking right now about stores and physical things like that, but it's also happening on the internet. You know, there's fake social media ads. There's non-delivery schemes where you purchase an item. They take your money, but the product never arrives. Like, I always tell you, if it's a website that you ain't never heard of, some that co, some some that wish, you really have to be careful and maybe go on a few threads and see if you can find other people who purchased from there before. Because there's always a paper trail, even if you don't find it on their website because they scrub in it. You're not gonna find them in the Better Business Bureau.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  No.

• 10:34Laci Mosley?

  Which I already told you is a scam. They don't do nothing. They literally have businesses pay them to take down negative reviews. That's how they make money. You you ain't doing nothing telling B B.

• 10:41Speaker 04

  Oh, oh, we're not saying the business will be better. No, we're we're making shit better for the businesses that pay us.

• 10:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 10:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:47Laci Mosley?

  The better the Better Business Bureau is for the businesses that we are strong arming to remove real.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  Oh, to the consumer. Oh, you better mind your own business.

• 10:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we never said better consumer.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  No, what? Listen, look at the B B B.

• 11:03Laci Mosley?

  Right, bitch. Get out of here. And you better get out of here right now. That's the last B.

• 11:06Speaker 04

  Why do you call me bitch?

• 11:08Laci Mosley?

  That's what Better Business Bureau about, bitch. Okay, gang, gang. Also, I want to remind y'all that every holiday, the robbery, like robbery is a real thing. Y'all, y'all know that from listening to this podcast.

• 11:21Speaker 04

  Robbery is a real thing. Are there people out there who don't think robbery is a real thing?

• 11:25Laci Mosley?

  Well, I think they think it's like a stick up and they're like, put your hands up. It's like, no. It's don't leave bags in your car if you're going into another store and you're in a public parking lot. My mom always said, don't make a thief out of nobody, which means don't leave anything in your backseat. Don't leave anything in your front seat. Put your shit in the trunk. Because if you got a car full of stuff and you're shopping around, you know, and, and these days with the economy, you could be trying to throw a cookout. One of the few that's gonna happen this summer because ain't nobody trying to do that without crowdfunding no more.

• 11:52Speaker 04

  Is that steak in that shopping bag?

• 11:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. Is that? They got a real Oscar Mayer.

• 11:56Speaker 04

  Give me that spark plug.

• 11:58Laci Mosley?

  Right. I know my wiener got a first name. Plus that window.

• 12:02Laci Mosley?

  It's O A C A R and Y O C A R.

• 12:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. It's S H A R D S of glass in your passenger seat. Okay? Give me that fucking hot dog.

• 12:13Laci Mosley?

  I've had my car broken into and the saddest part was they didn't steal nothing, which made me feel very unworthy. Oh, I had it broken into twice. The other time it was unlocked, but they just went in and they stole like, you know, I'm a, I'm a girl's girl. And so I'll be out, I would have my tampons in my glove compartment, my deodorant, my, you know, extra lip gloss liner. You never know where the girl's gonna take you during the day, especially in LA.

• 12:32Speaker 04

  You will not be Kyle Larkin.

• 12:34Laci Mosley?

  They took my toothbrush, my, um, deodorant. They took all of my toiletries, perfume. But tell me this, Miles, why did they leave me some Armor Oil wipes? I said, bitch, not just trying to tell me my car dirty.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  I honestly, I don't even know if it's that. I think it was a stalker who was like, I want her toothbrush.

• 12:54Laci Mosley?

  Okay, please don't say that because you know I've had stalkers and this was in a building where I actually had to move from.

• 12:58Speaker 04

  Okay, never mind, never mind, never mind. I got too close.

• 13:01Laci Mosley?

  No, but I really think it was somebody who was unhoused because they didn't take anything else. They took necessities. And so I didn't feel bad about it. And they didn't break my window. They opened the door. They had the courtesy to just, I guess I left a bitch unlocked. I said, you know what? That's fine. I did use some of them wipes on my seats. I was like, you know what? They might have a point. So.

• 13:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 13:20Laci Mosley?

  Sometimes robbers can be a blessing, maybe.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  Well, yeah. And then they painted, they said carved, wash me from the dirt pad.

• 13:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, no.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  Film on the side of your door. Yeah.

• 13:28Laci Mosley?

  Robbing me and shading me is diabolical, but honestly, I respect it. Um.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, getting robbed and shaded. Mm-mm.

• 13:34Laci Mosley?

  Right?

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• 16:36Laci Mosley?

  Next scam scheme or real thing. AI photos on restaurant menus.

• 16:43Speaker 04

  Oh, fuck that. That is, I mean, that's absolute scam. That's a scam. However.

• 16:51Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we got a however right here.

• 16:53Speaker 04

  There's, there's something I like about people getting tricked by AI. Cause the shit is so obvious a lot of the time. You look at it and you're like, come to our new barbecue restaurant. I'm like, I've never seen a rib with a, like a cross section of ribs in it that looks like a crucifix. Like if you really look, you're like, this AI photo fucking sucks. And people are like, this, this place didn't even exist.

• 17:12Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 17:13Speaker 04

  I do like, there's something, I think AI as a technology is terrible. And obviously environmental costs aside, I love how it's supercharged scammers though. Because it allows, it gives them this like air of legitimacy when you're like, this is our menu. These are my product photos. This is not real. So.

• 17:33Laci Mosley?

  And then people are going to restaurants and ordering things that they saw on the AI menu. And I will send this to our new producer, Joel, but I'm going to show you right now, Miles, just like on my phone.

• 17:44Speaker 04

  It's like what you saw on the menu versus what you got.

• 17:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, versus what you got. And it's alarming and.

• 17:51Speaker 04

  Oh, I can't wait to see this. Okay.

• 17:53Laci Mosley?

  People are trying to use it everywhere. I'm seeing people making excuses for their homemade jewelry that they're selling, but they're using AI for the photos of the jewelry. And I'm like, why can't you just take a picture on your phone? We all are walking around with a decent sized or decent grade camera. Like, what do you mean you're using AI? Also, if you're selling me a product, I want to look at the real thing.

• 18:12Speaker 04

  One hundred percent. Not your, not your wish list version of how you, if you had your shit together, how this thing would look.

• 18:18Laci Mosley?

  No, not at all. And so here, I'm gonna show you this one, Miles. So this is the AI photo of what looks to be lamb.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  That's like a rack of lamb. Yeah.

• 18:26Laci Mosley?

  A rack of lamb.

• 18:26Speaker 04

  A bed of sweet potato.

• 18:27Laci Mosley?

  Sweet potato puree.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  Okay, yeah.

• 18:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And then we've got one of those edible flowers. I forget the name of this flower, but I used to work with it all the time.

• 18:35Speaker 04

  I feel like it's in every, like, cocktail bar.

• 18:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's every cocktail. She had a moment. She had a moment in twenty seventeen where you could not miss her.

• 18:43Speaker 04

  Twenty, yeah. That was definitely, even before, yeah, I definitely remember that. I remember the first time I saw it, I was like, what the fuck is, wow? And at the time, I was like, this, this cocktail's eleven dollars.

• 18:53Laci Mosley?

  I've ate so many of them.

• 18:54Speaker 04

  Are they good? Or just like for the fucking, just because, just because you could, you're like, fuck it, because I can, I'll eat this edible.

• 19:01Laci Mosley?

  Yes, because also, like, I'm a food snob when it comes to everything on the plate should be edible. Like.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Really? Is that how you?

• 19:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, don't put no decor on my plate. Everything should be edible and it should still be pretty.

• 19:10Speaker 04

  Okay, that makes sense. I'm trying to think of like, what wouldn't be on there? I thought in your mind, you're like, man, now let me get down with this plate and like.

• 19:17Laci Mosley?

  We don't know, they used to put like a sprig of rosemary on that pizza shit. You know what I mean? I can't eat no sprig.

• 19:22Speaker 04

  I don't like parsley either. Anyway, so go on, so yeah.

• 19:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, parsley, parsley is devastated black community. We've actually moved on though. I'm seeing less and less green, uh, flakes on macaroni.

• 19:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:31Laci Mosley?

  So, and on, um, devil days. So, black people, we let that, uh, strangle that parsley had on us go. Now here's what it actually looks like at the restaurant. Yeah, yeah, because you were imagining it was gonna be that bad.

• 19:44Speaker 04

  You're fucking around.

• 19:44Laci Mosley?

  No. Look at that.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  Looks terrible.

• 19:47Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna put it on the page, y'all. We are looking at.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  The marshmallow topping?

• 19:51Laci Mosley?

  Why are there marshmallows on some burnt ass, brown ass yams? And it looks like they browned some of them, maybe, but not all of them. And then there's like.

• 20:00Speaker 04

  You know what they were doing? They were using, they were using a fucking lighter to try and brown the top. I don't know what that, that looks like. I don't even know.

• 20:09Laci Mosley?

  What part of this is that? Cause this obviously, this is the greens and now they just stuck the flour in the greens. The marshmallow yams is given.

• 20:17Speaker 04

  Story with this place? Where is this place at?

• 20:20Laci Mosley?

  So this place is in Texas. Oh, Texas. This is in Arlington. This is my hometown. Um, and this girl said she was doing a TikTok experience on her review there. And that's what she saw online and that's what she actually got in person. I, I personally don't go to a lot of restaurants that have, uh, this sounds so snobby, but I don't go to a lot of restaurants that have like pictures of food on the menu at all. But listen, sometimes.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  That's okay, diva Lacey.

• 20:46Laci Mosley?

  No, but listen, sometimes we be outside and you know, Cheesecake Factory or whatever nearby.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  I was like.

• 20:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I love the brown bread.

• 20:52Speaker 04

  Don't say you're too good for Cheesecake Factory. Okay.

• 20:54Laci Mosley?

  I want extra brown bread and it's still teeth. You better not bring me none of that crunchy white. I want all brown bread. You know, we like bring it for the white people too. Everybody likes the brown bread.

• 21:03Speaker 04

  Come on now, let me see you eat it.

• 21:04Laci Mosley?

  Mm hmm. Yes, it's delicious. One time they were selling it. I think they do still sell it at a store called Ralph's here in LA. But I went in and had Cheesecake Factory.

• 21:11Speaker 04

  That's so funny. I love you. You have such a large audience that you don't want to get too reasonable about saying the largest supermarket chain in LA. There's a store called Ralph's. Uh, you might know it as Kroger.

• 21:24Laci Mosley?

  Right. You might know it as Albertsons.

• 21:25Speaker 04

  That's just how the, how the Kroger brand manifests itself in Los Angeles is called Ralph's. Yes. Yes. Okay.

• 21:31Laci Mosley?

  You might know it as Aldi. Y'all might got a Marks and Spencer's, but they so close. That's closer to Target.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  Okay, UK.

• 21:38Laci Mosley?

  You know, I've been living over there.

• 21:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. I know.

• 21:40Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  Shout out Mercy Pick.

• 21:43Laci Mosley?

  Right. Period. Period. But yes, so I wouldn't know they had Cheesecake Factory bread that you could pour up at your house. That was during COVID. That was a rough time for me. I was warming up Cheesecake Factory bread in my home, but it was comforting.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, you need that. You need that. I was buying shit from Subway. Like they were giving away bulk. You could buy bulk ingredients from Subway. I was like, yeah, fuck it, bro. Look, give me a couple of these.

• 22:05Laci Mosley?

  Getting that style of bread.

• 22:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 04

  And cookies were like you get like seventy of them for three bucks. It was crazy.

• 22:11Laci Mosley?

  It's wild as hell. But yeah, so I don't want to see an AI photo of something and it not come out looking like the photo. I don't see AI anything. But like, just take a picture of the food. And if you can't do that, then just give us a great description of what's in the dish and don't put a photo on your menu. Nobody's gonna be disappointed when they don't see a picture.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  The mushroom topping on those sweet potatoes was diabolical. The quote unquote char, it looked like someone took a lighter.

• 22:35Laci Mosley?

  Supposed to be marshmallows.

• 22:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. What did I say? What did I call it?

• 22:38Laci Mosley?

  Mushroom, but it looked like it could be anything. We don't know.

• 22:41Speaker 04

  The marshmallow topping, it looks like rather than it being like properly, you know, uh, broiled or something. They had a lighter and they're like, get it. They're like, ah, shit's hot. It's too hot. I can only get a couple of them. Ah, and they pulled their hand away.

• 22:54Laci Mosley?

  They charred a cup. This is somebody's lighter. They was about to go on a smoke break and it was like, hey, Martinez, you ain't toast these marshmallows.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  Do you know how much they charge for that shit?

• 23:03Laci Mosley?

  Way too much. Oh, and these are the ribs, this black pile in the corner.

• 23:07Speaker 04

  My god.

• 23:08Laci Mosley?

  That's lamb chop.

• 23:10Speaker 04

  It looks like.

• 23:11Laci Mosley?

  They made my girl crispy.

• 23:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, it looks like a maple syrup candy or something like something that's some old people shit where they're like, I like my maple syrup candy.

• 23:20Laci Mosley?

  It's giving me somebody who never cleans out the bottom of their air fryer and then.

• 23:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then they just formed that.

• 23:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it formed this.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  And they're like, look, I can make it shape into a lamb chop.

• 23:30Laci Mosley?

  Right. Y'all clean out the bottom of your air fryer. That's why smoking and smells weird. This isn't from personal experience.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  No, no, no, not at all. I don't know why you would even bring it up.

• 23:40Laci Mosley?

  I got a little smoky one that I'm like, what's going on? There's some crumbs down there. What's the crumbs?

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Got pretty visual with that description, so I'm gonna guess.

• 23:47Laci Mosley?

  Mine didn't look like that.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Okay, so it was you.

• 23:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you know what?

• 23:52Speaker 04

  It's okay.

• 23:53Laci Mosley?

  Anyways, last game scheme or real thing, sports betting.

• 23:58Laci Mosley?

  And you know, back in the day, we had the bookies where you know, you had a shady um gangsta who you would bet with. And now there's online betting where you can bet on sports games, you can bet on um penalties, you can bet on how long a player is gonna play. You can bet on the weather, you can bet on children's games, you can bet on anything.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  Bet on George Santos being at the State of the Union.

• 24:21Laci Mosley?

  You can bet on who's gonna win elections.

• 24:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, anything. No, you can do crazier stuff like Love Island right now. They're taking action on Love Island.

• 24:28Laci Mosley?

  They're like, I got an over under on on Kansas. What?

• 24:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:31Laci Mosley?

  Um, but what do you think about sports betting in particular?

• 24:34Speaker 04

  It's definitely of, it it's one of these vices that have become so turbocharged in the last few years. That's crazy. I know a lot. I grew up along around a lot of people that gambled. So to a certain.

• 24:48Laci Mosley?

  A lot of people that do a lot of things.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. Uh gambling was kinda seen as a normal thing. Knew a lot of people where it turned into degeneracy and that's like the super fucked up part. Right now, it's basically a scheme. It's like one of these things that doesn't need more regulation. Yes. Uh and like, but but it but it's just, it's sort of, it's like alcohol and like other things that like these vices that kill people. Uh you pay enough people in the government and just let it rip. Like, I mean, it's like everything. It's like with crypto, there's there's so many forms of like legalized gambling now. But they're just masked in different ways.

• 25:24Laci Mosley?

  The stock market.

• 25:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent. And now like with prediction markets, it's just kinda crazy because I think it also speaks to like how nihilistic people are about their own future. Where rather than it feeling possible that like you could go to school or like you could follow a passion and have that, you know, render the kinds of things, results. That you saw yourself having like a home or whatever, uh that that feels so out of reach that it it's easier to almost be like, fuck it, man, I'm gonna do this fucking four game parlay, man. If this shit hits. So many problems will be solved. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:55Laci Mosley?

  Doesn't, I owe a kidney.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. And it's crazy because you see a lot of people who are like, they're like, how do you think I got this Lambo, bro? Cause I'm just, I'm fucking killing it on blah, blah, blah dot com. So yeah, unfortunately, it's a, it's a, it's it's like a scheme. It's one of those things that's just there. Uh is it, but yeah, can you, can you deny that like what it's doing to people? Absolutely not.

• 26:17Laci Mosley?

  I would say it's a life ruining scheme and that it is really border lighting on scams. Because some people who get lucky enough to actually win large sums of money. Those apps will then delay your payment, try to find the loophole or try to like pay you slowly. Yeah, like if you win like a lot of money, they'll just like give it to you. They'll find a way.

• 26:38Speaker 04

  Right, right, right.

• 26:39Laci Mosley?

  Also, if you've lost a bunch and they can clearly tell by the algorithm that you probably have an addiction. Based on your usage, how often you're checking in and how much you're spending. So if that spending stops or drops off from the usual that they're taking from you, they'll start sending you coupons. Or like or little chips, like those things like, oh, now you have like this many free coins you can use on betting to like lure you back.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. Get the money flowing again.

• 27:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  It's it's wild to see like how like I remember when a lot of the gambling sites were coming like having like huge presences in the US, like all these people in the UK and Australia, they're like, get ready for what this thing is about to do because pretty soon everything is gonna be the wall to wall gambling stuff.

• 27:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. You can gamble on anything now. And I think the rise up is one, the smartphone and it being accessible. We don't have to go to Vegas, we don't have to call a shady booker anymore. You can just download an app on your phone. And also I think it speaks to the desperation of people in society right now is that like because we can't make money in an honest way that supports, I don't want to just survive, I don't want a living wage, I want a thriving wage. Okay, I want to be able to go on vacation, have children, like what you mean, I got, I gotta, we we find to get enough money to survive.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:59Laci Mosley?

  Like, you know, like it should be to thrive. If you're working a job, that job is necessary, all jobs are necessary. And even if you think your job is more important than the others, I'm pretty sure you can't do your job without a lot of the people that you look down on. The people who clean, people who do tech, people who do, and I'm not saying that's the job that people look down on, but any job that helps you function in your job is an important job. So they should all be paid fairly, but um it's I think because of that, people are like, fuck it, I'm gonna just gamble and see if I can win big quickly or I'm gonna become an influ- I saw a woman on TikTok yesterday who had made a viral TikTok about working in tech and being the manager. And then figuring out that she realized that people were gonna be off boarded, AKA fired, if she had to start like

• 28:39Laci Mosley?

  working on their computers or like shutting down their addresses and emails or things like that, or their access to company stuff. And so they would never tell her why she was doing it, but she started to realize they were getting fired. So there was this one black woman who she really liked, and she's black as well. She told the lady like, hey, I just started shutting down your shit, sis. I think they about to get you up out of here. Just wanted to get you a heads up. She talks about this on TikTok, which I really need y'all to stop doing this. The job eventually finds her.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:01Laci Mosley?

  They let her go. Because the black woman that she peeped, like she told the game to, then was asking other people about their salaries. Cause she had just gotten hired and I guess was telling people her salary. And so that's why they fired the black woman. That the IT black one was helping. But she got on Instagram or TikTok and told everybody and it went viral and then that black woman got fired. And now she on TikTok talking about, you know, this is just telling me this was really what I needed to start my social media career. Like I'm gonna keep this going. Girl. It's like everybody says that everyone has one good book in them. You probably got one viral post. Does that mean you need to do it for a living?

• 29:36Speaker 04

  There it is. No. But again, it's just because everything feels so upside down. Like it, it, people don't even chase achievements, right? It's like just the notoriety is an achievement. It's like, well, I, I was popping on Instagram, TikTok for fucking like three days. I did that. I mean, yeah, something happened to you. Posted it and that something happened for sure. But.

• 30:01Laci Mosley?

  Like if a tree falls in the forest, if I didn't put it on the gram, did it make a sound?

• 30:05Speaker 04

  No. And you're lying because you didn't put it, you didn't post it. So how the fuck do I know?

• 30:09Laci Mosley?

  We want text.

• 30:09Speaker 04

  You weren't even in the forest like that. Shut up.

• 30:12Laci Mosley?

  When you go to the forest?

• 30:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:14Laci Mosley?

  You ain't even got miles to go to the forest.

• 30:15Speaker 04

  I saw your stories. You were, you were at Ralph's buying Cheesecake Factory bread.

• 30:19Laci Mosley?

  So I I think it is like collectively reflecting that too as it grows in popularity.

• 30:23Speaker 04

  We just have so much nihilism. I think that's what it is. It's just so. Yeah, like I told you, it's just one of these vices that people get so into. And again, because like there's also so so much social media that's also telling people like, this is how you should, this is what you should have at this point in your life. And you live comparatively. And then so these only things that feel like they can help you make these huge leaps. Are these like big gambles like with, yeah. Insert any, you know, unpredictable form of gambling here.

• 30:55Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna go scam on this one cuz like. At the end of the day, the house always wins. Gambling wouldn't exist if the house didn't win, guys, so.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's this, yeah.

• 31:04Laci Mosley?

  The only way to be a good gambler is to know when to leave.

• 31:06Speaker 04

  That's and you know, I've I used to play a lot of blackjack. You know, every now and then.

• 31:12Laci Mosley?

  Crabs, baby. If you're a long time listener to this podcast, y'all know I love me some crabs, baby. I have all your chips right now on my produce. I need to run back to Vegas.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  The house is gonna win, but there is just, I don't, I can't help it. Sometimes I'm like, there's.

• 31:23Laci Mosley?

  But I gotta go to Vegas to gamble and I walk away when I've made my return. You know, like I played with enough money to lose. I treat it like a purchase. And then run it up. And then once I got my, once the table gets cold, I'm out. I'm not trying to revive the heat. I know what's up. It's just statistics, not. But like what I'm saying is, is like, we used to have to go to a destination or you have to have shady plugs to get involved in gambling. Now, now you just go on the App Store and you can ruin your life, your marriage, mortgage your home, you know? Spend your kid's college fund all from the comfort of your iPhone.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  Braces? No, not today.

• 31:56Laci Mosley?

  Not those, okay? The clip is lost and daddy owes me.

• 32:00Speaker 04

  And don't worry, those teeth, they they got character.

• 32:02Laci Mosley?

  No, who needs a car? You got legs? Yeah, that's very much it. Um, I agree with you and I, it's just very scammy to me, but we're seeing the rise of it now. Even more so because of the accessibility and also because of the desperation. And again, this is my, what, once monthly reminder, y'all, if you got a job that is not an entertainment, baby. On the weekends, have your fun. When you at the job house, I don't need to see no TikToks of you, okay? Grow your business through word of mouth. Or if it's a business where you could show off the business, that's fine, but I don't want to see innocent customers, pedestrians, anywhere in your feed. I don't want to see you dancing and you know, at the hospice center, you know, like grandma's gonna go to glory.

• 32:42Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  Wow, wow.

• 32:44Laci Mosley?

  I'm just saying.

• 32:44Speaker 04

  Dancing at the hospital.

• 32:45Laci Mosley?

  Do your job and that's cool.

• 32:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:48Laci Mosley?

  But Dr. Miami, you do it too much. You could give me a before and after picture like they used to do back in the day on the subway in New York, okay? I don't need to see you cutting on people and they bleeding. He's got TikToks where he's like in the operation.

• 33:00Speaker 04

  Ugh.

• 33:01Laci Mosley?

  What you mean you cutting on me on live?

• 33:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm telling you, it's called content, okay?

• 33:05Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 33:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:06Laci Mosley?

  All of a sudden, the anesthesiologist goes from like, you didn't eat breakfast this morning, right? It's like, you didn't eat breakfast this morning, right? Yeah. And your camera ready?

• 33:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. And then starts hitting like a Brazilian TikTok dance.

• 33:16Laci Mosley?

  Right, literally, literally, okay? All of a sudden, we're like, you never take me to Bangalore. Why is this playing while I'm getting put under? Why am I getting put under?

• 33:26Speaker 04

  Come on, y'all know the choreo.

• 33:27Laci Mosley?

  I don't even play music in the operating room.

• 33:28Speaker 04

  Let's do the choreo.

• 33:29Laci Mosley?

  I'm going under.

• 33:30Speaker 04

  Five, six.

• 33:31Laci Mosley?

  Six, seven, eight. Now, count backwards from ten while you hit the yeet.

• 33:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh shit, I threw the scalpel in the wall. Yeah, yeah, let me get that out, fish that out.

• 33:40Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 33:41Speaker 04

  All right, I sew him up, sew him up.

• 33:42Laci Mosley?

  Sew him up, sew him up. Like, please be for real. Robbery.

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• 36:44Laci Mosley?

  All right. Well, that is a perfect segue into historic hoodwinkings today because we are going to be talking a little bit about sports. Historic hoodwinkings is my favorite segment of the podcast. This is where I will regale Miles with famous con caper group of criminals, a collab of criminals. We don't know. Maybe we love them. Maybe we hate them. We'll see along the way. And this time it looks like we have a sports compilation. So we're going to talk briefly about three little sports scams that have been in the zeitgeist some recent, some older. But we're going to start this off with the LA Clippers. Maybe that's why they were in my head. Superstar Kawhi Leonard, who signed a secret $28 million endorsement deal with a company funded by the team's owner, Steve Ballmer.

• 37:25Laci Mosley?

  As a way to pay Kawhi more than he should be allowed to get based on the NBA salary cap. We know this thanks to a seven month long investigation by Pablo Toure for his show Pablo Toure Finds Out. And he did find out. Now Kawhi. I mean, honestly, a black man getting more money. I'm not really mad right now.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  No, no.

• 37:47Laci Mosley?

  I see no issues. I have no qualms. So.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Remember when it came out, I was like, so?

• 37:53Laci Mosley?

  And?

• 37:54Speaker 04

  I think, yeah, the issue is just like that you circum, it's just the rule breaking. I, I was definitely like, I'm not going to be mad at Kawhi for being like, get me more fucking money. But.

• 38:04Laci Mosley?

  And I know that the rule is essentially there to make sure that no sports team can just dominate the league for years and years on end because they pay the most.

• 38:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. I totally understand that.

• 38:16Laci Mosley?

  Interesting. In this respect, I understand.

• 38:19Speaker 04

  This was sloppy. This was, that was a problem. You got so sloppy with it. It's too sloppy.

• 38:24Laci Mosley?

  It happens so often. We know they're getting these deals. I love that the college students who are very good at their athletic sport are getting something on the side because it's a damn shame that the NCAA is stealing from those kids. Cause it's such a, you know. Risk playing college football and even the or basketball, whatever college sport you're playing that gets a lot of attention. The risk versus reward, they should be getting paid because they are adults. And two, like y'all are making a fuck ton of money off of college sports. And three, if they get injured, then this is no longer a pathway for them to make revenue going forward, even though you got your cut. So those I'm not against. And even in NBA, I don't give a damn. If you get extra money, get your money, black man. But I understand it for the NBA of like not creating a dynasty team where we no one ever wins again.

• 39:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. One hundred percent. Those are the rules. And I think, are you talking more about this story?

• 39:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 39:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 39:13Laci Mosley?

  So some background on Kawhi.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:15Laci Mosley?

  Uh, and why this is a whole big deal. Kawhi is a two-time NBA champion and six-time All-Star. Michael Jordan called him the best two-way player in the NBA, meaning playing on offense and defense. Okay, go both ways, period. Yes, verse. We love a verse. Verse top, yes. Which can't be the same thing, but yes, it's like a, it's like a rectangle and a square. You know what I mean? Like a square can be a rectangle, but a rectangle is a rectangle. Yeah.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  But they are parallelograms.

• 39:43Laci Mosley?

  But they are parallelograms. Okay, we're gonna give you this geometry lesson that they're not giving no more in school, okay?

• 39:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 39:48Laci Mosley?

  But, so you know, he's a great player. The Clippers have famously never won an NBA championship. So getting Kawhi was a huge deal for them.

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  Steve, are you a Clippers fan?

• 39:59Speaker 04

  Hell no, I'm a Lakers fan. That's why I'm like, famously.

• 40:03Laci Mosley?

  Famously, I was like, yes. So Steve Ballmer currently owns the Clippers. He used to be the CEO of Microsoft. You know how you know Microsoft real well and then you own the Clippers? Cause like, once you're rich, you're a genius in every field.

• 40:15Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:15Laci Mosley?

  Once you're rich, everybody, even average day citizens, think that you are smarter than them because you have money.

• 40:23Speaker 04

  They're like, you know Bill Gates from the Epstein files? Wow.

• 40:26Laci Mosley?

  So you must be a mental genius.

• 40:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:29Laci Mosley?

  Because I was seeing that when Spencer Pratt was running a dumbass, his dumbass around LA campaigning in districts that couldn't vote for him like a dumb bitch. He's gone, thank God. But I did notice that when I was like, why are people going to these polls? And I was laughing at them like, you can't vote for the LA city mayor in Beverly Hills.

• 40:43Speaker 04

  I'm in Santa Monica and Spencer Pratt is not on my ballot.

• 40:46Laci Mosley?

  Cause you don't live in our district. You don't live in LA, baby. I live in LA. You don't. And there were people in the comments who were like, I doubt that people from Beverly Hills would be that stupid. They're rich. Like, they know. I'm like, do you think money equals smart? Please stop. It's not, it's not an equivalent. But so Steve Ballmer, this guy right here, uh, who, I never understand this, um, ball, ball community, uh, actually like, not even ball community, what would I call y'all? Like, transition balds. Transition balds.

• 41:17Laci Mosley?

  Why are we holding on to that nape of the neck?

• 41:21Speaker 04

  That's some old white guy shit.

• 41:23Laci Mosley?

  What does that do for you? Like, when you're combing the back of your bald, how do you feel?

• 41:28Speaker 04

  That's called hanging on. Just, cause you keep me hanging on.

• 41:33Laci Mosley?

  Looking better than a full bald?

• 41:36Speaker 04

  I think that's a-

• 41:36Laci Mosley?

  Having like-

• 41:37Speaker 04

  It's a generational thing. For men that age, they don't have, they didn't have Michael Jordan who was like, bro, you're not leaving that shit on.

• 41:44Laci Mosley?

  You have to have the right kind of head and a little bit of melanin for a good bald. Otherwise, you look like Steven Miller. So I understand if you're a paler in the community, a bald might be hard, but I don't know if this like wrap around.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:57Laci Mosley?

  It's like if you put a headband on the back of your neck and then just brought it, brought it up.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  They're like, how'd you get half a headband on? Like, it's really taped on. I had to cut the other half off.

• 42:06Laci Mosley?

  Let it go, baby. Like Elsa said, because what are y'all doing? So this is Steve Ballmer. He looks like he's just a genius for sure. Um, he's known for being really sweaty. Um, I could see that in this picture. I don't know what action he's doing, but there's a desk and a Microsoft cup. It seems like he's probably doing one of those rich guy TED Talks.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  Very famous clip of him introducing like a new Microsoft product and he's just screaming across the stage sweating through his shit.

• 42:31Laci Mosley?

  So, he says the word developers a lot, uh, which you know, I love somebody who just uses like Silicon Valley like just jargon all the time. Okay, give me some of that in the red, in the black, future earnings.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  Synergy, gotta have synergy, babes. Okay? Gotta have synergy. You know what I mean?

• 42:50Laci Mosley?

  Give me all the buzzwords. Okay. Are you disrupting? Be a disruptor.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly. But a developer is a gig, you know, like that.

• 42:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, there are legitimate people who do these things. It's just the people who throw around the words so much. I'm like, you scamming. Cause why are you throwing all these words at me? Can you? If you can't explain to me like I'm five, I know it's a crime.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm gonna explain like, I believe you have the intellect of a five year old and trying to say all this shit to you.

• 43:11Laci Mosley?

  I'm just throwing words at you. Are you supposed to be impressed? Don't ask no questions.

• 43:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, how many teraflop? You know how many teraflops that's running? Come on.

• 43:17Laci Mosley?

  We're synergizing disruption right now. You don't even know. We have so much disruption in the generator.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  You better expand that. At least thirty terabytes.

• 43:25Laci Mosley?

  Infinite growth, bitch.

• 43:28Speaker 04

  Again, why do you call me bitch?

• 43:31Laci Mosley?

  It just adds a little seasoning on the end there. He's also the eighth richest person in the world. And you can tell that by looking at him for sure. I'm lying, y'all. When y'all see him, it's giving Kohl's, dad.

• 43:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, but that's true. Like you don't give up. At that point, you're like, bro, what the fuck do I need to get fucked about?

• 43:47Laci Mosley?

  I don't even mind that. You don't have to be a fashion girly just because you have money. But I'm like, I just know if you're that rich, I promise you these clothes didn't come from a box store. So you tell them you spending like a thousand dollars on the ugliest t-shirt?

• 43:58Speaker 04

  That's like, yeah.

• 43:59Laci Mosley?

  Button down?

• 43:59Speaker 04

  You know Dockers? Well, that's a three thousand dollar version of them that I'm wearing.

• 44:04Laci Mosley?

  Like you look like a server at Longhorn Ranch, my guy. Why do we have this plaid on? What's happening?

• 44:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, definitely.

• 44:11Laci Mosley?

  So, um, when your net worth is like a hundred and fifty-five billion, it's gotta be frustrating when people say you can't spend money on something. But the NBA salary cap limits the total amount of money an NBA team can pay all of their players to a combined a hundred and fifty-four million. So Steve actually isn't allowed to pay his players more than that, even if he really wants to. Now, we know rich people are famous for wanting to pay people more. No, there's obviously an advantage in it for him to be able to lock down talented players at this bummy ass team. Sorry, Clippers fans. Y'all know what loss feels like. I'm a Cowboys fan. I'm with y'all. We be losing all the time. It's what we do.

• 44:49Speaker 04

  You have a basketball team? Mavericks?

• 44:51Laci Mosley?

  I, I, fuck no. I fucking hate the Mavericks.

• 44:53Speaker 04

  Oh, shit.

• 44:55Laci Mosley?

  I'm actually a Lakers fan.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  Wow, good for you, good for you.

• 44:58Laci Mosley?

  And I've been a Lakers fan before I moved to LA, so.

• 44:59Speaker 04

  There you go, yeah, let them know, let them know, yeah, all the Clippers fans that you're just upset with that, they're gonna come for your ass.

• 45:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we was never checking for y'all, but I'm a Knicks fan right now, because after they won the championship, we're all Knicks fans.

• 45:09Speaker 04

  And you lived out there, so yeah, there you go.

• 45:10Laci Mosley?

  I did, I'm gonna go to Mom Donnie's stand this weekend, and I'm gonna tear it up, can't wait to meet with my mayor.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  The Republic, yeah.

• 45:15Laci Mosley?

  I'm trying to meet, I'm trying to find him, I know he gonna be at one of them Jew teeth parades.

• 45:18Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, absolutely.

• 45:20Laci Mosley?

  Trying to meet my mayor.

• 45:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:21Laci Mosley?

  So, Kawhi's contract right now guarantees him fifty million per season, which is about a third of the total salary budget for the team. So, a third of the budget is going to one guy, Kawhi Leonard. At this point, they're paying him more than anybody, right? Which made the other guys feel bad, which is what Steve did. So, Steve is, remember our ex-Microsoft sweaty guy, who now sweats at the Clippers. Uh, so Pablo found that Steve, so Pablo is our nosy, messy investigator, who is gonna give us the tea. He found out that Steve made a fifty million dollar personal investment in a green bank. And this company is called Aspiration, you know?

• 46:04Laci Mosley?

  I don't know if I want my bank to be talking about aspiration.

• 46:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, like, let's, let's be achieving things.

• 46:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 04

  Are you aspiring to be a financial institution?

• 46:13Laci Mosley?

  Bank is giving that, I'm on red in my bank account, it's giving overdraft fees, I want achievement.

• 46:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, inspiration, yeah, yeah.

• 46:20Laci Mosley?

  Success.

• 46:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, right, right, right, right.

• 46:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I don't want no wish factor, yeah, I don't want, I, I bank it imagination, imagination bank.

• 46:28Speaker 04

  Uh, exactly, yeah, yeah, exactly, I, I want make a wish bank.

• 46:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and the disclaimer says, we hope we're covered by the FDIC, so I don't know if they are, because it's like, yeah, hopefully we are.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  It says FDIC insured, uh, yeah, yeah, hold on, let me get back to you.

• 46:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, probably, maybe.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Wow, and they wrote all that out.

• 46:46Laci Mosley?

  Maybe, definitely, so they got a, they got a little aspiration ad here, it's very simple. It says, with a racially ambiguous man hand, it says, save money, comma, save the planet, aspiration. And it's got the app up and the little aspiration card. I will never understand why fake banks always have. The most bootleg looking card. Just make it look like other bank cards do.

• 47:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:09Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna go in, you know, like I'm at the doctor's appointment. I gotta pull out my gift card looking ass bank card.

• 47:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're like, what is this? Is this shit from Dave and Buster's?

• 47:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 47:18Speaker 04

  No, no, this is a new bank I'm with. What the fuck? What is it called? It's called preschool player. Preschool player bank? What the fuck is that?

• 47:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, it's called Martha Marlboro Lights.

• 47:31Speaker 04

  They got a bank?

• 47:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, they got a bank now.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 47:37Laci Mosley?

  So why can't Marlboro have a bank?

• 47:39Speaker 04

  Why can't they sponsor my ATM card?

• 47:41Laci Mosley?

  Who you bank with? American Spirit?

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Washington Mutual. They're like, they don't exist anymore. No, well, they got like one left.

• 47:51Laci Mosley?

  They got, yeah, they got a little, uh, it's like more of a pop-up.

• 47:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 04

  You should look out. Check their Twitter. It might be.

• 47:59Laci Mosley?

  I have to go on their Twitter to see when I can get a withdrawal. Yeah.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  Sometimes it's in another state. It's kind of.

• 48:05Laci Mosley?

  So, um, he even partnered, this is, uh, our, our Stever, or our Stever, I was gonna call him scam, scammer, but Stever, scammer, Stever. He, uh, partnered with a company to build, uh, the Inuit Dome for the Clippers to.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  Into it.

• 48:20Laci Mosley?

  Into it. Why did I say Inuit?

• 48:23Laci Mosley?

  Cursor in the middle, uh, just, I'm gonna defend myself. I'm gonna blame Joel for that one. No, but into it. Into a dome. And don't start moving the cursor around now, Joel. You're funny. Okay, so. Behind the scenes, aspiration gave Kawhi a twenty-eight million dollar endorsement deal. Paying him to market the company, which is interesting because he never did any marketing and certainly did not mention the partnership. Aspiration employees said it was a no-show job for bombers, that's our Steve guy, to get around the salary cap and pay Kawhi an extra twenty-eight million. Aspiration co-founder Joe Sandberg recently pleaded guilty to defrauding investors and Pablo has evidence that Steve and Joe from Into It, the stadium building.

• 49:04Laci Mosley?

  Were on good terms well after the fraud took place. Steve quietly donated another one point eight seven five million to Joe's charity. More than a year after the Clippers ended their partnership with Aspiration. So even though Aspiration went down, he was like, I ain't even know nothing about that, but you still cool, Joe. Another one point eight million. Can you clean some stuff up?

• 49:22Speaker 04

  Can you just slide that to Kawhi real quick? Cause it's crazy too, like the amounts that Pablo finds out in the investigation. They're like, they're just nearly exact, the exact amounts that were being paid through, uh, aspiration to Kawhi Leonard.

• 49:35Laci Mosley?

  So they didn't even try to clean up the paper trail.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  Barely.

• 49:37Laci Mosley?

  Why? You couldn't have done one like commercial for aspiration?

• 49:42Speaker 04

  No, not one, not one. And the other thing too is like the, the, like the act, the, the lack of work that was being done. That like on Kawhi's part, like you couldn't even post something like just a lazy post. There's nothing like.

• 50:00Laci Mosley?

  They couldn't even got you for that trash ass little image that they put up with aspiration. It could have been your black ass pants, holding the phone and the, and the bootleg ass gift card. You couldn't do that. You couldn't get on Instagram and be like, I only trust aspiration with my banking. When it comes to bottle service, I always know my check clears. Like what the hell dumb shit.

• 50:17Speaker 04

  I'm always good with aspiration.

• 50:19Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 50:19Speaker 04

  No, he couldn't, he couldn't have even done a post like where they just have a pat, like his roster photo with just some text on it. Like here, man, can you just post that shit on your stories, bro? We're giving you millions of dollars. Just, just do that.

• 50:30Laci Mosley?

  Right. That's it.

• 50:31Speaker 04

  Aspiration had a lot of like.

• 50:32Laci Mosley?

  Gone in 24 hours.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  Yeah. And at least you could say, you're like, yeah, yeah, I did shit for them. That's what they just paid. That's what I charge. It's crazy too, because his uncle is like such a big part of his deal making too. Like his uncle Dennis is, was like the. Is, yeah, finds the one, like, he's known like in the league for always being like, we need to get some more money to Kawhi. Uh, and like always trying to figure out ways to get more money for his nephew.

• 50:56Laci Mosley?

  Shit, we all need a Uncle Dennis.

• 50:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, 100%.

• 51:00Laci Mosley?

  Come clock in my job. Hey, my niece needs some more money for her job. Thank you, Uncle Dennis. And now the last time a team tried to do this was in the nineties. It was the Minnesota Timberwolves, Wolves. And they were doing it, um, on behalf of Joe Smith, that player. And in that instance, the Timberwolves were dealt heavy fines, multiple suspensions and forfeited first round draft picks. And that may not have been anywhere near the scale of what the Clippers have been alleged to be doing. They went above and beyond to make sure that Kawhi was making more money than he legally was supposed to be paid, right? And still they haven't won a championship.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  After all that, look at you.

• 51:36Laci Mosley?

  So Kawhi made a response video, so now he's trying to, you know, everybody's gotta do the response videos. I wonder what it must feel like when you're planning your response video. And you're like, okay, we gotta do this in an environment.

• 51:47Speaker 04

  Especially when they got your ass like that, too.

• 51:49Laci Mosley?

  You gotta do this in an environment where you don't look too rich. Let's get like a white wall, maybe one plant in the background.

• 51:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 51:55Laci Mosley?

  You know, don't wear no nice clothes if you're a woman, or you wear makeup in general. Give yourself a light beat so it looks natural.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 52:03Laci Mosley?

  You know, and like you're just fresh off of crying.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  Put the eyeglasses on. If you have eyeglasses, put some, put eyeglasses on. You have to put glasses on.

• 52:09Laci Mosley?

  You have to put glasses on so that people can't really tell it's good when you're lying.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 52:14Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean? They can't see the eye darts from the glare as well.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  That person wearing glasses, they, why would they lie?

• 52:18Laci Mosley?

  I ain't never seen him in glasses. They got 2030-ish.

• 52:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:21Laci Mosley?

  Or 2020.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh god, now I sound like Love Island. These people are making me dumber. So, but yeah, he didn't do none of that. So here's his response video. We're gonna watch a little bit of it.

• 52:30Speaker 07

  I understand that full contract and the services that I had to do. Um, like I said, I don't do, deal with the conspiracies or, uh, the clickbait, um, analysts or journalism that's going on. Um, so that's, that's what it is. Well, I, I think the allegation was that, that you didn't perform any services for them. Do you, is that accurate or, or did you do things for them? I don't think it's accurate, but, um, it's old. This is, this is all new to you guys. Um, the company went bankrupt a while ago, so, um, we already knew this was gonna happen, so.

• 53:04Laci Mosley?

  So Kawhi made this response video and he kinda disses Pablo too, calling this conspiracies and clickbait. So he was saying Pablo made this all up in his head. Honestly, I kinda understand why he came out and dissed Pablo because Pablo, this ain't none of your damn business. Like Pablo, why do you care? But, but, but again, Pablo is a hater and I always say on the show, find a hater job. If you are a hater, channel your hate. Don't use it on your friends, your loved ones, general people in the public. Channel your hate into a profession. So Pablo has done that. He has a hater profession.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  That's crazy. He won a Pulitzer.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 53:40Speaker 04

  For this investigation.

• 53:43Laci Mosley?

  All investigative journalism is, is haters with a purpose and I love that for them.

• 53:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:48Laci Mosley?

  Because I do want these things to be exposed.

• 53:49Speaker 04

  But you're saying, yeah, you need, but you need that little bit in you to keep digging, to keep going.

• 53:53Laci Mosley?

  You need a hater's spirit.

• 53:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I get that.

• 53:56Laci Mosley?

  You have to pray to the altar of 50 cent.

• 53:59Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:59Laci Mosley?

  And be, and be a true, like, unmitigated 24/7 hater.

• 54:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:05Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean?

• 54:05Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:06Laci Mosley?

  And you have to have creativity to be a hater. If you're a hater and you just post negative shit about people online, you ain't a real hater. You need to give it up because you're not in the hate release.

• 54:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're just upset. Yeah, you're just upset person.

• 54:14Laci Mosley?

  I want people who go through all the social media, including the tagged photos, then go through everybody they follow and see what they connection is.

• 54:22Speaker 04

  SEC filings, yeah.

• 54:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I want somebody looking at your Venmo history. I want somebody who somehow got access to your Ralph's, uh, store card membership and knows what you're purchasing and that bitch.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  At Wine Club.

• 54:33Laci Mosley?

  Yes, who hates super duper hard.

• 54:36Speaker 04

  Right, yeah, like a superhero amount that like.

• 54:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like that guy who tracked all of Taylor Swift's private jet flights.

• 54:43Speaker 04

  Right, right, right, right, right, right.

• 54:44Laci Mosley?

  Like, you gotta be really in the game.

• 54:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 54:47Laci Mosley?

  So shout out to Pablo.

• 54:48Speaker 04

  No, 100%.

• 54:49Laci Mosley?

  But obviously Kawhi's trying to deflect, so.

• 54:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, what, and also like, I get it too, like, what are you gonna say? Like, yeah, we were fucking around, I was getting extra money on the side, like, what do you want me to do?

• 54:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 54:59Speaker 04

  Because that would be the version, I'm like, yeah, bro, what the fuck, I mean.

• 55:02Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, I was just like, I didn't know.

• 55:04Speaker 04

  Stealing it from somebody, you know what I mean? But yeah, it's breaking the rules and I get that, but also Kawhi.

• 55:08Laci Mosley?

  Criminal investigation, you ain't gonna catch my black ass online talking about shit if I'm nowhere near it. You're not gonna catch, because what if you slip up? What if you say something that you're not supposed to?

• 55:17Speaker 04

  Lawyer, lawyer.

• 55:18Laci Mosley?

  Blow over.

• 55:18Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 55:18Laci Mosley?

  Play dumb, I would have been like, all I know is my checks get cashed, I don't know where that money coming from, I just show up to do my job.

• 55:24Speaker 04

  Look, I'm going through a lot right now, you know what I mean? Just, just leave it the fuck alone. Yeah, yeah, that's what you should say.

• 55:30Laci Mosley?

  It almost doesn't mean anything anymore when people are like, oh, I'm going through so much. I'm like, babes, I think that's just our lives now, and everyone's going through a lot constantly.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  We all are, welcome to Earth.

• 55:39Laci Mosley?

  And I think we all need to start acting accordingly, okay?

• 55:42Speaker 04

  That's true, no, 100%.

• 55:43Laci Mosley?

  Don't go straight to anger, just know that their life is probably worse than yours.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Everybody's fucked up right now.

• 55:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so, let's keep that in mind. So, you know, we've had other sports stories from the past, steroid scams, things like that. In 2015, it was a big year for the New England Patriots, um, because Bill Belichick's current girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, turned 14.

• 56:07Speaker 04

  Dude, you were gonna say some shit like that. I was like, what the fuck does that have to do with her? She turned fourteen.

• 56:14Laci Mosley?

  It's also the year of that famous deflate gate where they deflated the ball. You know, in sports, it's gonna be a little bit of cheating.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  Was she born after nine eleven or before an island? By just a couple of months, I wonder.

• 56:23Laci Mosley?

  Ooh.

• 56:24Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 56:25Laci Mosley?

  If she was fourteen in twenty fifteen, she, she right on it.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  She definitely two thousand and one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 56:29Laci Mosley?

  She definitely doesn't remember it. She never knew a world with the twin towers. Never knew Mary Kay or Ashley.

• 56:34Speaker 04

  Damn, she didn't know Brother for Sale?

• 56:37Laci Mosley?

  Nah, nah.

• 56:38Speaker 04

  April third, two thousand and one. Okay, so she was alive?

• 56:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she sensed it as a, it's a.

• 56:42Speaker 04

  You were, you were five months and eight days old. You knew something was wrong.

• 56:45Laci Mosley?

  You were here. You were here. So, like, there's been things like this that happen all the time, right? And, and with the deflate gate, you know, we heard of William Douglas Street, truly one of the wildest sports scammers to ever do it. This dude pretended to be everyone but himself his whole life for human, like from a human rights lawyer to a surgeon, to a white Yale student. And for, and for one very memorable spring training in nineteen seventy one, he pretended to be a football player, Jerry Leviass. So, but moving on from sketchy ass Patriots and Tom Brady and Deflategate and Kawhi and his lies and Pablo being the best hater ever. We're gonna talk about one more sports betting or sports scheme scam that's been in the zeitgeist.

• 57:29Laci Mosley?

  And, cause like, we've all heard of Deflategate, right? But none of us have heard of William Douglas Street. And he's truly one of the wildest sports scammers to ever do it. This dude pretended to be everyone but himself his whole life, from a human rights lawyer to a surgeon, to a white student at Yale. And for one very memorable spring training season in nineteen seventy one, he pretended to be a football player, Jerry Leviass on the Houston Oilers. Now, I want to point out, William, why were you pretending to be a surgeon? And how does that work out for you? Like, cause those people cut on people?

• 58:03Speaker 04

  I mean, he had to just be doing it to like get through the doors or something, right? There's no way he was.

• 58:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he must be telling people he's a surgeon. I don't think he's in nobody's hospital. And white Yale student, the white is important because this man is black as hell.

• 58:15Speaker 04

  He didn't show up being like, that's me.

• 58:17Laci Mosley?

  No, no, he couldn't have pretended to show up in person because once we see a black ass, we know he's not white.

• 58:23Speaker 04

  They're like, hold on now.

• 58:24Laci Mosley?

  We can't come out as black. Nobody comes out of the black closet. We know. Well, we see that phenotype strong as hell.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  One hundred percent.

• 58:34Laci Mosley?

  You can be light white, you could be having hair that doesn't reflect African American hair textures. I can still tell it's a little bit black there just by looking at your face.

• 58:42Speaker 04

  And Jerry Leviass though, that name is un- that feels like such a scammer name. Uh, yeah, I'm Jerry Leviass.

• 58:51Laci Mosley?

  So right now, Mouse, we're looking at a photo of the actual Jerry Leviass. And compared to the photo of William pretending to be him. Jerry looks like a football player, like he's meaty, he got a thick neck.

• 59:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, then I was gonna say that when your neck is like, you know how like you can see somebody and the the width of their head is not the same as their neck? He's got the thing where he's like a thumb, you know what I mean?

• 59:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like when your earlobes touch your neck, like when it's all, it's the same. Yeah, it's like he got like a cylinder from the neck up to the head. It's all the same circumference.

• 59:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  A lot of geometry today, guys.

• 59:27Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 59:28Laci Mosley?

  But yeah, it's like it goes all the way down. Yeah, he got a big old head and a thick ass neck. I know his neck's strong. He probably can lift all types of shit with that neck. I bet you he could tow a car, just put the thing around his neck and he towed it.

• 59:38Speaker 04

  I gotta say, when you see somebody like this, you're like, yeah, that's a football player. It's hard to pretend you're a football player unless, because you also need to have your neck as thick. You come in with that little floppy ass neck? No, they're gonna know, they're gonna know.

• 59:50Laci Mosley?

  And it's so clear in the photos that William ain't done a neck up, he ain't done the chin up. He ain't never put a barbell on the back of that neck and started working that neck out.

• 59:59Speaker 04

  Put that strap on his head and just lift it for a forty five foot, like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

• 1:00:04Laci Mosley?

  He ain't neck maxing.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:00:06Laci Mosley?

  So, so.

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  Neck mini.

• 1:00:08Laci Mosley?

  He's neck mini, oh, thin ass neck. So I don't know how they didn't notice that one man looks like a football player and the other one definitely is a necklace pedestrian.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  I wonder if they're just like, oh, maybe he's sick or something. Yeah.

• 1:00:20Laci Mosley?

  I think this is where being black helps. They were like, he's black, y'all, so he, he definitely can play football.

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  They could have just been the angle. You'd already know. He's probably faster than the daylights.

• 1:00:30Laci Mosley?

  Right. That's like me showing up looking like Wiz Khalifa talking about I'm about to be a running back. I'm about to be a linebacker. Yeah, put me at defensive line.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:38Laci Mosley?

  Wait.

• 1:00:39Speaker 04

  Bro, you will die.

• 1:00:40Laci Mosley?

  You will die.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:42Laci Mosley?

  In practice. You ain't even gonna make it to the field.

• 1:00:44Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:00:45Laci Mosley?

  So, yes, I don't know how he got away with this so long, but I'm just gonna blame it on the white gays. Uh, which for him worked out this time.

• 1:00:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:52Laci Mosley?

  You know.

• 1:00:53Speaker 04

  Powerful tool.

• 1:00:53Laci Mosley?

  This is why y'all should be, everybody needs to be tolerant and, and open and, and maybe hang around more people of color. Cause then you would have known that this was not the Negro you wanted.

• 1:01:03Speaker 04

  No. These are not, this is not him.

• 1:01:07Laci Mosley?

  So, William was born in Detroit and he went to college for two years before beginning his sports specific scamming career in 1969. When he impersonated his way into tryouts for the Boston Red Sox. And then he spent the next year return. And then the next year he returned impersonating a Time Magazine reporter doing a story on the team. So first he came in and he pretended that like he was gonna be on the Boston Red Sox. He don't got no athleticism.

• 1:01:34Speaker 04

  Didn't work out, yeah.

• 1:01:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Are you wearing the same hat he is in this photo?

• 1:01:38Speaker 04

  I am wearing a Detroit Tigers hat, which is kinda wild. Yeah, yeah. But this one has, this is for Jay Dilla cause he's from Detroit. But yeah, I was like, when I'm like, I have a Detroit hat on.

• 1:01:49Laci Mosley?

  So I love that he tried out one year and then he came back the next year and was like, I'm a reporter.

• 1:01:52Speaker 04

  That's crazy. They're like, oh, ain't that the fucking guy who tried out who was terrible as fuck?

• 1:01:56Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm a different guy.

• 1:01:57Speaker 04

  No, I remember you, bro.

• 1:01:58Laci Mosley?

  Do all look alike.

• 1:01:59Speaker 04

  You swung the bat and you spun around like a cartoon when you, when you struck out. I, everyone remembered it and your pants fell down. That's, that's you.

• 1:02:05Laci Mosley?

  You were hooting and hollering. We know exactly who you are.

• 1:02:07Speaker 04

  I'm from Time Magazine.

• 1:02:08Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm from the paper. Why are you talking like that? It's not the twenties. No.

• 1:02:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, see.

• 1:02:14Laci Mosley?

  He was just doing anything and everything, right? So the Red Sox even caught William trying to order a World Series ring under Boston PR Director Bill Crowley's name with the order to ship it to a resident in Detroit. The Red Sox hadn't won the World Series since 1918. So he's also trying to get memorabilia from what he's doing. Like he's just, I don't understand his motivation, this particular sports scammer. Like I understand with Kawhi, he was trying to get a bag and he didn't care where that bag came from. And Steve didn't care about making it look legit. So that makes sense. This guy, I don't really know. His motivation is in scamming in sports, but it's interesting.

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  He must just get a high from it because it's not like calculating to the point where you're like, oh, that's slick. Like you tried out for a team, you didn't make it, then you came back to that team the next year pretending.

• 1:02:56Laci Mosley?

  As a fake reporter?

• 1:02:57Speaker 04

  Like, that's crazy. Why are you going back to the same crime scene like that?

• 1:03:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, go hit another team. There's plenty of baseball teams.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  It's like you just said, oh, I didn't make the team. Hold on. Just puts a different like outfit on. He's like, hey, man, my name's Jerry Leviathan, and I'm here to try out.

• 1:03:11Laci Mosley?

  He threw on a wig and he had a new profession and honestly, I'm not mad at that.

• 1:03:15Speaker 04

  They're like, we just saw you. You just turned your back.

• 1:03:17Laci Mosley?

  I was working on a show once and we, it was in a place that just started. Their, their film industry had just started booming. So they didn't really have a lot of professionals in film working there. So a lot of people you could tell were just lying on their resumes. And we had this one lady who was like an animal handler. And one day we walked outside. And she was, I kid you not, she was fist fighting this raccoon that we were using.

• 1:03:40Laci Mosley?

  She was boxing with this raccoon, giving the raccoon a one and a two, like, and then we were like, hey, are you supposed to be like punching it like that? And she was like, yeah, this is a part of the training. We were like, okay, okay, sure. Yeah, for sure. And then I kid you not, the next day I came in and I went to the like, uh, little snack cart to get a lettuce wrap sandwich. So I go up to make my order and guess who turns around? The raccoon lady. Now she make a sandwiches on set.

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:04:09Laci Mosley?

  So I feel like whatever entrepreneurial spirit William has, that raccoon lady has the same one. She said, throw a wig on, make him feel like he's cheap. Come back to the same job now.

• 1:04:17Speaker 04

  She's like, wait, are you the answer? Shh, what you want on your sandwich?

• 1:04:19Laci Mosley?

  What you want on your sandwich?

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  My name's Tina.

• 1:04:21Laci Mosley?

  Well, not raccoon. You don't have none of that back there, right?

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no. We all, all had it.

• 1:04:25Laci Mosley?

  And all this time that William was pretending to be Jerry Leviass, right? For the Oilers, Jerry Leviass is a real athlete. He's the first black football player in the Southwest Conference for college football, who's now a pro player for, who's now like a pro player for the Houston Oilers.

• 1:04:40Speaker 04

  Oh, at that point, okay, got it.

• 1:04:42Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  Wait, so he was impersonating an actual Oilers player?

• 1:04:45Laci Mosley?

  I know that name sounded familiar.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, wow, that's crazy.

• 1:04:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And so, um, in nineteen seventy-one, in February, Oilers fans were surprised and disappointed to read in local papers that Jerry had decided he was done playing football. He didn't like Houston or the team, and he wanted to try out for the Detroit Tigers baseball team. So he pulled a Michael Jordan. It was like, oh, I never mind. I want to play baseball. So he went to their spring training camp in Florida. The Tigers wrote a press release announcing the football star's presence at their training camp. The team looked at the man who wore dark sunglasses around team facilities and got him a pair of new shoes. They gave him a Tigers cap and invited him to the press to take photos, but that wasn't Jerry.

• 1:05:27Laci Mosley?

  So he wore sunglasses to pretend that he was Jerry Levi's, like, while he's trying to get on this new team.

• 1:05:35Speaker 04

  So he just puts, so his disguise is just like, okay, what's up with these sunglasses on?

• 1:05:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they can't tell black people apart. And you know, this is the seventies, so we're not chronically online seeing people's faces so much that we can recognize if it's them or not.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  This was such a beautiful time to be a con artist.

• 1:05:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, if you were a doppelganger of anyone famous, I really hope you had a time back then.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  People thought my grandfather was Bill Cosby.

• 1:05:57Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my gosh. And that was during a time where he, that name held some respect.

• 1:06:00Speaker 04

  This was, this was like in the, this was like the early seventies and shit. And my dad used to say they would go out and all these like white maitre d's, like, cause they, you know, the, they would go out sometimes. My grandpa was like hustling and shit. He wanted to go out for a nice dinner and these white maitre d's would be like, oh my God, Mr. Cosby. And he just would, he said, the second time it happened, my grandfather just stopped disagreeing. He's like, if these white people think I'm Bill Cosby and they're gonna fucking pay for most of this meal, if not all of it, then fuck yeah, I'm Bill Cosby.

• 1:06:28Laci Mosley?

  And if they're gonna treat me well, then like pudding pops.

• 1:06:31Speaker 04

  And he always told me, I was like, and you said you're Bill Cosby? He's like, hell no. They just were like, hey, Mr. Cosby. And I was just like, yeah, oh yeah. Fuck it. Yeah.

• 1:06:40Laci Mosley?

  I'm starting responding to other people's names. Beautiful time.

• 1:06:42Speaker 04

  I gotta send you a picture because like, it, he looks, he looks like a off brand, like to a white person, you would be like, that's Bill Cosby.

• 1:06:54Speaker 04

  And in the context, you're like, well, the only British black person who would come in here.

• 1:06:58Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  Have to be Bill Cosby. So therefore you are Bill Cosby.

• 1:07:01Laci Mosley?

  They put all that together and that's exactly what they do. I've been in first class on the plane and turned around and asked like, like the seat person behind me because I had a window aisle. If it was okay if I turned one of the air things off because it was getting a little chilly and they're like, yeah, you're cool. Only thing I spoke to this man. Tell me why it was a red eye. Why I go up to get my food? Because I fall asleep while they're doing dinner service and red eyes, they don't play. They're like, oh, you sleep? We go talk to you the whole flight because we prefer it.

• 1:07:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:23Laci Mosley?

  So I go to get my food. They're like, oh, my God, I am so sorry. We did not get you your food. You're Jadakiss's girlfriend, right? Because Jadakiss was sitting behind me and they were like, you're black. You're in this expensive first class.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  Jadakiss's girlfriend.

• 1:07:36Laci Mosley?

  Be Jadakiss's girlfriend.

• 1:07:37Speaker 04

  Oh, my God. Jade to the mwah.

• 1:07:40Laci Mosley?

  Right. You saw me interact with this man one time. It was very brief and that's your deduction?

• 1:07:44Speaker 04

  Wow, that's so funny.

• 1:07:46Laci Mosley?

  I didn't even get out of my seat. I turned around.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Exactly. They're so in love.

• 1:07:51Laci Mosley?

  They do that. Um, so they gave him a Tigers cap and they, you know, invited him to take photos, but that wasn't Jerry. It was William. William had called the Tigers outfielder Gates Brown, and this is where you could also get people's numbers so easily. We just have a book of everybody's cell phone number.

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  Couldn't you just tell the operator? You're like, operator Gates Brown. And they're like, yeah, all right.

• 1:08:10Laci Mosley?

  We used to put our addresses in a big ass book.

• 1:08:13Speaker 04

  That is crazy.

• 1:08:14Laci Mosley?

  You used to be able to just look and find where somebody lived at.

• 1:08:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:18Laci Mosley?

  And so William had called the Tigers outfielder Gates Brown and told him he was coming to spring training. He also asked to borrow $300 from Gates when he said he needed to get married. What? And he would pay him back. Gates brought it and so did everyone else on the team for at least few days. So he came in and he was like, hey, Gates, uh, I'm getting married. Can you give me $300?

• 1:08:42Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:08:43Laci Mosley?

  He was like, sure.

• 1:08:45Speaker 04

  He's he, this guy is living off the thrill. He's like, fuck yeah, bro. I got Gates Brown thinking I'm somebody else. Yeah, man, let me get 300. I'm getting married.

• 1:08:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, this is seventies three hundred dollars.

• 1:08:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:56Laci Mosley?

  So seventy, seventy three hundred dollars could make something shake.

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  That's probably like what, two grand now?

• 1:09:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So the Tigers put William and Jerry through a forty minute spring training workout and the jig was up pretty quickly. William didn't know how to grip or throw a baseball.

• 1:09:10Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:09:11Laci Mosley?

  And he couldn't run sprints. One of the Tigers pitchers had seen the Oilers play in Texas and he knew Jerry Leviass when it happened. William was throwing with his right hand. William admitted he wasn't Jerry Leviass because the real identity he gave was also made up. So like, not only is he not Jerry, he's saying he not the other guy he was pretending to be because the jig was up when he was throwing with his right hand and that's not how Jerry throws.

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  Even crazy that you're so unathletic too and you're trying to pretend to be an athlete.

• 1:09:42Laci Mosley?

  He behind all the other baseball players hoofing and, and.

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:45Laci Mosley?

  Throwing up.

• 1:09:45Speaker 04

  Sprint. You don't know how to, you can't even fake it like, ah, I think I pulled something like you're just like.

• 1:09:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, give us a pulled hammy. Also like, everybody can run.

• 1:09:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:54Laci Mosley?

  And I would assume if you were trying to pretend that you're an athlete, you would at least be, you know, working out a little bit.

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  That's a crazy sport to pretend to. Like you gotta, like hitting a baseball is not easy.

• 1:10:04Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:10:07Speaker 04

  Again, this guy is addicted to finessing people. And like, and so you end up doing like, then, cause like, he's not, he's not keeping it low, especially when they're like, well, this guy's throwing with the wrong hand. He can't even throw a ball. He can't even run. This, this man is a usurper.

• 1:10:22Laci Mosley?

  He is. And, and, and, uh, Mr. Grant, you're not getting that three hundred dollars back. I hope you good.

• 1:10:27Speaker 04

  No, no, no.

• 1:10:28Laci Mosley?

  So the Tigers ended up paying ninety three dollars for William to take a first class flight back to Detroit. And the real Jerry Leviass had to get a lawyer involved to help untangle the trouble he was in with the Oilers who thought that he was breaking contracts and trying to split, like switch sports. So.

• 1:10:48Laci Mosley?

  Ninety-three dollars for a first-class flight?

• 1:10:51Speaker 04

  Hmm, take me back.

• 1:10:52Laci Mosley?

  Man, I wish I was a mover.

• 1:10:54Speaker 04

  I was never there. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:10:56Laci Mosley?

  Like, the racism was worse and everything. It's still bad now, you know what I mean? So at least I'll be able to afford a home, you know?

• 1:11:02Speaker 04

  At least you'd have your, like, twenty-twenty-six mindset. You're like, "Bro, I can handle your old spooky-ass sixties racism."

• 1:11:08Laci Mosley?

  Right, you're not bothering me. I got tons of insults. You know how long I've been on TikTok? I can read you back and forth.

• 1:11:12Speaker 04

  I can tell you ones you guys haven't even thought up yet.

• 1:11:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Just so you know.

• 1:11:17Laci Mosley?

  And I'm sorry to Jerry Leviash, you didn't deserve none of this. In twenty-sixteen, uh, William was sentenced to three years in federal prison for identity theft and mail fraud. He died shortly after his release in twenty-twenty. So this is Jerry in his Detroit baseball uniform, AKA Fake Jerry, right? This is our William. I mean, he looks like he could play baseball. He got the outfit on. He's smiling from ear to ear, like, "I got you, bitches."

• 1:11:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, "They gave me the whole fucking uniform. Okay."

• 1:11:49Laci Mosley?

  Right, no questions asked.

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  What does he have on underneath? It's like he got a jacket on underneath. I'm like, "Bro, he layered it with a jacket or something? Is he okay?"

• 1:11:58Laci Mosley?

  It's the seventies, so.

• 1:11:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:00Laci Mosley?

  His Afro sticking out the sides. I love this for him.

• 1:12:02Speaker 04

  Like, when I see this picture, I'm like, "This guy looks like a real cool guy." And then you're like, "This man was addicted to the finesse."

• 1:12:08Laci Mosley?

  Literally. Now, Miles, I want to know, out of the three kind of little scam blips that I told you, I know we didn't spend much time on Deflategate, but that's because it's been in the zeitgeist for so long. If you don't know about it, well, I guess it is my job to educate you, but I did. They were deflating the footballs and cheating on the New England Patriots in twenty-fifteen. And Tom Brady took a huge, like, uh, social capital hit from that. Especially because the Patriots at that time had been dominating football for so long.

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  He's still the GOAT, bro. He's still the GOAT.

• 1:12:34Laci Mosley?

  Right, but I'm still like, how many of them balls did we not catch last?

• 1:12:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, right. Hey.

• 1:12:39Laci Mosley?

  This couldn't have been. It's just like when people get a DUI. That wasn't their first time drunk driving. So I know this wasn't their first time softball.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  First time you got caught.

• 1:12:46Laci Mosley?

  Right. How many of these softballs have we seen?

• 1:12:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:49Laci Mosley?

  Hmm. I mean, I'm gonna, the least scamming to me is Kawhi Leonard's situation. I mean, they were cheating by paying him more. I don't think Kawhi is that, if you offer me more money, I'm not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth.

• 1:13:01Speaker 04

  I don't think it's immoral for a professional athlete to demand more money from the billionaire owners. I just don't think. And the the nature of being an athlete is already exploitative. So go ahead.

• 1:13:14Laci Mosley?

  Selling your body.

• 1:13:15Speaker 04

  I'm not, I'm not mad. Like you're not, you're not fuck, you're not out here.

• 1:13:18Laci Mosley?

  We all aren't aware.

• 1:13:19Speaker 04

  Exploiting people. You're not as a basketball player. Like you're the attraction. So yeah, get your fuck. I don't give a fuck about that. The only problem is there are rules so that they, the league can maintain some level, level of parity and fairness in terms of how teams are built. So sure, you went to follow that, but I can't fault my guy Kawhi for wanting more money.

• 1:13:39Laci Mosley?

  Cause he gotta put a whole team on his back. People are buying those seats for him.

• 1:13:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. 100%. So.

• 1:13:44Laci Mosley?

  And also the Clippers are such trash that I can understand how you got in a position like this where you're like, I don't know, we, we gotta give Kawhi more money. Cause he's our only.

• 1:13:51Speaker 04

  He's gonna leave. He's gonna leave.

• 1:13:52Laci Mosley?

  Like, we'll give Luke Solo more money. We gonna lose the force.

• 1:13:55Speaker 04

  Exactly. Luke Solo, we're gonna lose the force. And I know every Star Wars fan loved that one right now. Okay, Luke Solo, hop in. We about to lose the force.

• 1:14:06Laci Mosley?

  It's so accurate. It's so accurate.

• 1:14:08Speaker 04

  Funniest version of Star. And you know, Luke Solo about to lose the force. So.

• 1:14:13Laci Mosley?

  He is the force. So they gotta pay him if he's taking the force elsewhere.

• 1:14:16Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:14:17Laci Mosley?

  That's, and that makes sense.

• 1:14:19Speaker 04

  Start on those midichlorians either.

• 1:14:20Laci Mosley?

  Period. Y'all know I saw, I saw Star Wars is all of them in the galaxy far, far away. I know exactly.

• 1:14:27Speaker 04

  Lose the force.

• 1:14:31Laci Mosley?

  It makes sense when you don't think about it.

• 1:14:33Speaker 04

  It does. No, I, I 100% know what the fuck you're talking about. I just love.

• 1:14:37Laci Mosley?

  No, you think it's hard.

• 1:14:38Speaker 04

  No, I'm not at all. I just, you know, you did. You expanded my whole understanding, my consciousness. That's what happened there. Um, all that to say, yeah, so no, I'm the least offended by that.

• 1:14:50Laci Mosley?

  Same. And then I feel like obviously the Flake Gate, you're trash. I'm gonna say you're the number one scam here because.

• 1:14:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:56Laci Mosley?

  Y'all were just straight up cheating.

• 1:14:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's intentional. It's diabolical. You're trying to gain an advantage. Steve Ballmer is the bad guy in the Kawhi Leonard story, not Kawhi Leonard, right?

• 1:15:06Laci Mosley?

  Kawhi's just taking money. And every day we take money from corporations that are doing absolute evil. Every, you know, all them Amazon packages people get in, people die in them warehouses. It's like.

• 1:15:16Speaker 04

  The other thing that they say though too, there's so many other teams though. Two that do this except they're like, bro, you do have to pose with the Lexus at least. And then we're gonna give you five times when someone would normally pay for an endorsement. That's just how we normally do shit.

• 1:15:29Laci Mosley?

  That is such a glaring error here. Like has Steve been doing this for so long that he was like, man, nobody pays attention if they actually endorse it. So they just stopped.

• 1:15:38Speaker 04

  When you're a billionaire, you're just so used to doing shit however the fuck you want to. You know what I mean? That you're like, what the fuck are they gonna do, man? I got fuck you money. And it's like, well, they will find me. Okay, whatever.

• 1:15:48Laci Mosley?

  And also, why am I trusting Kawhi Leonard about banking?

• 1:15:51Speaker 04

  No, you don't need to. Aspiration got all these other celebrities to do endorsements too, but then none of them were like, yeah, I actually don't know what it is. I just showed up in like a video for it, cause this.

• 1:16:02Laci Mosley?

  All the celebs are shilling right now and people have to realize that they're like, don't they make so much money? Aren't they rich? Once you start adjusting to a rich lifestyle, you'd be surprised how your liquidity can sink. Because it's like you went from buying a commercial flight to chartering jets. One of those, you know, like that could be an easy thirty thousand per flight. So, and that's on the lower end. So it's.

• 1:16:23Speaker 04

  Lifestyle.

• 1:16:23Laci Mosley?

  Not surprising that they're out here selling their booty holes for anything. Sarah Jessica Parker in an in-app gaming ad, I was like, oh, we are, we have lost supply.

• 1:16:33Laci Mosley?

  And I'm like, what does this have to do with Sex and the City babes or or anything that you've done in your career? I don't, why? You know, Reese Witherspoon out here championing AI. I said, baby.

• 1:16:42Speaker 04

  Doing affiliate links.

• 1:16:45Laci Mosley?

  Franklin never done nothing but be a scam. Okay. If y'all bought her ED book or, you know, I mean, I didn't know. That she was scheming that hard back in the day. I thought skinny girl cocktails were like a cute thing that I saw on Real Housewives and I learned that lady has problems all over.

• 1:17:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, so Deflategate thumbs down, bad, you cheating, fuck you, I don't like, whatever. That's that, but with our boy, what's his name? Scott?

• 1:17:12Speaker 04

  Steve?

• 1:17:13Laci Mosley?

  Wait, which one are you talking about? William?

• 1:17:15Speaker 04

  William.

• 1:17:15Laci Mosley?

  The one who was impersonating everybody?

• 1:17:16Speaker 04

  Yes, yes, yes, him. I can't get mad at him. Something is wrong with that man. He is in love with the finesse and he can't stop finessing. So, and you know what it feels like aside from Mary, the real Jerry Leviass. Uh, it felt relatively victim free, but at the thing at the end of the day, once they realize, oh, this guy was pretending to be you, you actually aren't in any kind of legal trouble. Then whatever, man, get your free Detroit Tigers, you know, for and your $93 first class flight.

• 1:17:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I mean, I'm the only reason that I'm gonna rank it least, the one that I am like the most fine with is gonna be Kawhi. And then second is gonna be, uh, William and his schemes. William, you could have been first and least harmful, but you took $300 from that baseball player, man. And so, yeah, sir.

• 1:18:04Speaker 04

  That, that, that, that was the difference. If he's just taking from big teams, that's one thing.

• 1:18:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. For some, hey, let me hold $300 from my way.

• 1:18:13Laci Mosley?

  The holding 300 puts you at number two.

• 1:18:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:15Laci Mosley?

  And at number three, I'm gonna put Deflategate, cause y'all just straight up cheating.

• 1:18:18Speaker 04

  That's it. Come on, you, you, you taking, letting the air out of the ball? No, no, no, no, no, no. Do better.

• 1:18:25Laci Mosley?

  And your team was so strong at the time, or maybe they were strong because of the cheating. I guess we'll never know.

• 1:18:29Speaker 04

  No idea. And that's why I don't watch the NFL.

• 1:18:33Laci Mosley?

  Wait, what'd you say about that?

• 1:18:34Speaker 04

  That's why I don't watch the NFL.

• 1:18:36Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay. I do from time to time, just enough to watch the Cowboys disappoint me.

• 1:18:41Speaker 04

  That's good. Well, everyone needs some kind of humiliation ritual, you know what I mean?

• 1:18:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's mine for sure. I like to get my hopes up when they're actually playing well in the main season and then when they get to playoffs, you know, I love to have hope. And then watch them completely destroy it.

• 1:18:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, that's great. That's great. I used to have that with Arsenal, but we won this year finally. So I'm feeling good.

• 1:19:01Laci Mosley?

  Yes, congratulations.

• 1:19:02Speaker 04

  Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

• 1:19:04Laci Mosley?

  Uh, so, yes, that wraps up an episode of Scam Goddess Podcast. Y'all, I am going to be reading your listener letters. I know it's been a minute, but email [email protected] and I will be reading them on air, y'all. We go back and forth. And so I know y'all have been missing those. They're coming back. And, uh, Miles, we always ask on this podcast, where would you like to be found? Where people can hear you, see you, social media, whatever.

• 1:19:27Speaker 04

  Sure. Uh, Ain't It Footy is the soccer podcast. Podcast I do, which is also super funny. If you like soccer, I do that with Jamel Johnson and Chris Martin. And find me on social media, like you said, daily, that guy's four twenty day fiance where I'm talking about ninety day fiance. Uh, social media at Miles of Gray, G R A Y, everywhere.

• 1:19:47Laci Mosley?

  Yes. You guys can find all the photos from today's episodes and converse with me if you like it. Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram and TikTok. And if you want to see what I'm up to in my shenanigans, D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy on all platforms. You can watch all episodes of Scam Goddess on Hulu right now. And you can, I don't know, stream going down, streaming those stuff I got on there too, as well, in addition to, you can get my book Scam Goddess anywhere books are sold. Y'all, don't forget to leave a five star review on whatever app you listen to this. That can be your one nice thing you did for a black lady today. We appreciate it. Congregation, I want y'all to get out there and stay winning, okay? If you're gonna play, play to win, even if you shouldn't be playing because you're not an athlete.

• 1:20:33Laci Mosley?

  Even if you got a deflator ball.

• 1:20:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't let that stop you.

• 1:20:37Laci Mosley?

  Don't let that stop you, even if you, even if you gotta make up a fake, uh, endorsement deal.

• 1:20:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I think about Kawhi automatically. He's the one I think about. Yeah. That's why I brought up all the app selling or the celebrity selling random shit is I was like, why are y'all now selling stuff? That has nothing to do with your expertise, career or field. Why should I trust you?

• 1:21:00Speaker 04

  I don't know, these other scammers are paying me for their scam business.

• 1:21:04Laci Mosley?

  Reese, if you don't take your ass back down to the, uh, uh, MGM or Fox or Sony and do another movie about a woman who lives in a successful job, but she lonely as fuck in New York City. And then she go home and she going to get a Christmas tree with her mama and it falls on her. And then her high school boo thing picks it up and then they fall in love and then she move over there. Girl, go do some of those. Stop trying to push AI on us. You know, get your sweet Alabama ass back to what you know.

• 1:21:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, she loves that shit though. She's always at the cutting. She was pushing NFTs too.

• 1:21:39Laci Mosley?

  Get, get off these scam train Reese, I love you. You better throw that blind wig back on and give us some legally.

• 1:21:48Laci Mosley?

  And on that note. Congregation, y'all have a wonderful day. Stay scheming.

• 1:21:57Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess is an iHeart Media and Big Money Players production. The show is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, the SVP of West Coast Productions, Jack O'Brien, Vice President of Programming, Miles Gray, and Director of Programming, Lindsay Hoffman, oversee production. Our executive producer is Joelle Monique. Our senior producer is Bea Haskins. Ina Burke is SVP of Content with additional services provided by Mark Canton, Dylan Unger, and the team at Hot Dog Sandwich. Our editor is engineer Justin Smith. Our theme music is composed by me, Lacey Mosley. Cover on photo is Robin Von Swank. You can follow the show at Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram, TikTok. If you've been scammed, pulled a scam, or saw a scam,

• 1:22:40Laci Mosley?

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