#271 Vannevar Bush (Engineer of the American Century)

What I learned from reading Endless Frontier: Vannevar Bush, Engineer of the American Century by G. Pascal Zachary. ---- Founders Notes gives you the superpower to learn from history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. You can search all my notes and highlights from every book I've ever read for the podcast. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- [7:31] Acts of importance were the measure of his life and they are the reason that his life deserves study today. [8:10] Suspicious of big institutions Bush objected to the pernicious effects of an increasingly bureaucratic society and the potential for mass mediocrity. [8:20] He believed the individual was still of paramount importance. "The individual to me is everything," he wrote "I would restrict him just as little as possible." He never lost his faith in the power of one. [8:57] Pieces of the Action by Vannevar Bush (Founders #270) [9:32] Dee Hock — founder of VISA episodes: One from Many: VISA and the Rise of Chaordic Organization by Dee Hock (Founders #260) Autobiography of a Restless Mind: Reflections on the Human Condition Volume 1and Autobiography of a Restless Mind: Reflections on the Human Condition Volume 2 by Dee Hock. (Founders #261) [9:55] Edwin Land episodes: Instant: The Story of Polaroid by Christopher Bonanos. (Founders #264) Land's Polaroid: A Company and the Man Who Invented It by Peter C. Wensberg (Founders #263)A Triumph of Genius: Edwin Land, Polaroid, and the Kodak Patent War by Ronald Fierstein (Founders #134)Land's Polaroid: A Company and the Man Who Invented It by Peter C. Wensberg (Founders #133)The Instant Image: Edwin Land and the Polaroid Experienceby Mark Olshaker (Founders #132)Insisting On The Impossible: The Life of Edwin Land and Instant: The Story of Polaroid(Founders #40) [10:00] Vannevar Bush and Edwin Land both had a profound belief in the individual capacity for greatness. [12:15] Bush came from an American line of can do engineers and tinkerers, a line beginning with Franklin, and including Eli Whitney, Alexander, Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, and the Wright Brothers The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin by Benjamin Franklin. (Founders #62) Benjamin Franklin: An American Life by Walter Isaacson. (Founders #115) Franklin & Washington: The Founding Partnership by Edward Larson. (Founders #251) Reluctant Genius: The Passionate Life and Inventive Mind of Alexander Graham Bellby Charlotte Gray. (Founders #138) Edison: A Biography by Matthew Josephson. (Founders #268) The Wright Brothers by David McCullough. (Founders #239) [13:35] The Essential Writings of Vannevar Bush by Vannevar Bush and G. Pascal Zachary [16:30] My whole philosophy is very simple. If I have any doubt as to whether I am supposed to do a job or not, I do it, and if someone socks me, I lay off. [18:00] The Richest Woman in America: Hetty Green in the Gilded Age by Janet Wallach (Founders #103) [19:00] What Bush learned from reading old whaling logs I’m learning 120 years later reading biographies of founders. [19:45] Books by Sebastian Mallaby: The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future and More Money Than God: Hedge Funds and the Making of a New Elite [21:20] He admired men of action, despised rules, and felt that merit meant everything. [22:32] If something is going to take two years he wants to figure out how to do it in six months or a year. This kind of the mentality he applied to everything. [24:45] Becoming Steve Jobs: The Evolution of a Reckless Upstart into a Visionary Leader by Brent Schlender and Rick Tetzeli (Founders #265) [25:45] I lose my shit when thinking about how all these ideas connnect. [30:45] He remained susceptible to bouts of nervous tension throughout his prime years. [31:50] Advice he gave his sons: Justify the space you occupy. [32:30] Do not emulate the ostrich: For better or worse we are destined to live in a world devoted to modern science and engineering. If the road we are on is slippery, we cannot avoid a catastrophe by putting on the brakes, closing our eyes or taking our hands off the wheel. What is the sane attitude of a scientist or layman? Absence of wishful thinking. No emulation of the ostrich. [35:00] He insisted that discipline must be self applied or will be externally imposed. [33:36] He found romance in adversity and solace in hard work. [36:00] Vannevar Bush on Leonardo da Vinci and Ben Franklin [42:33] It is being realized with a thud that the world is going to be ruled by those who know how, in the fullest sense, to apply science. [44:45] We want an inventive company rather than an orderly company. [45:38] Tolerate genius. There are very few men of genius. But we need all we can find. Almost without exception they are disagreeable. Don't destroy them. They lay golden eggs. —Confessions of an Advertising Man by David Ogilvy. (Founders #89) [48:34] David Ogilvy episodes: The Unpublished David Ogilvy by David Ogilvy. (Founders #189) The King of Madison Avenue: David Ogilvy and the Making of Modern Advertisingby Kenneth Roman. (Founders #169) Confessions of an Advertising Man by David Ogilvy. (Founders #89) Ogilvy on Advertising by David Ogilvy. (Founders #82) [49:00] Bush’s personal motto: Don’t let the bastards get you down. [51:50] The General and the Genius: Groves and Oppenheimer—The Unlikely Partnership that Built the Atom Bomb by James Kunetka. (Founders #215) [55:15] The more resourceful entrepreneurs are the ones that are going to win. ---- Founders Notes gives you the superpower to learn from history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. You can search all my notes and highlights from every book I've ever read for the podcast. Get access to Founders Notes here. ---- “I have listened to every episode released and look forward to every episode that comes out. The only criticism I would have is that after each podcast I usually want to buy the book because I am interested so my poor wallet suffers. ” — Gareth Be like Gareth. Buy a book: All the books featured on Founders Podcast ---- Founders Notes gives you the ability to tap into the collective knowledge of history's greatest entrepreneurs on demand. Use it to supplement the decisions you make in your work. 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• 0:00David Senra?

  On his death in 1974, The New York Times honored Bush with a front-page obituary, calling him "the engineer who marshaled American technology for World War II and ushered in the atomic age." Jerome Weisner, science advisor to President Kennedy, judged Bush's influence on American science and technology so great that the 20th century may not yet produce his equal. Acts of importance were the measure of his life, and they are the reason that his life deserves study today. He was a contrarian skeptical of easy solutions, yet willing to tackle tough problems without a compass. He was a pragmatist who thought that knowledge arose from a physical encounter with a stubborn reality.

• 0:45David Senra?

  Suspicious of big institutions, Bush objected to the pernicious effects of an increasingly bureaucratic society and the potential for mass mediocrity, long before such complaints became conventional wisdom. He believed the individual was still of paramount importance. "The individual to me is everything," he wrote. "I would restrict him as little as possible. He never lost his faith in the power of one." That was an excerpt from the book that I'm going to talk to you about today, which is Endless Frontier: Van Eever Bush, Engineer of the American Century, and it was written by G. Pascal Zachary. Okay, so this is the second podcast I'm doing on Van Eever Bush.

• 1:28David Senra?

  Last week, I covered his autobiography, Pieces of the Action. That was episode 270. And this is actually the second time that I've read the book that I'm holding in my hand. The first time I read it, I did not feel I understood Van Eever Bush enough to make a podcast on him. After reading his autobiography last week, I have a better understanding of him, but it's still not perfect. In my mind, Van Eever Bush and Dee Hawke, the founder of Visa, are actually very similar in the sense that I don't quite grasp how they were able to accomplish what they did. And I still feel that way, even though I've read... D. Hawke's autobiography twice. I just most recently did another podcast on his autobiography. It's number 260. But I just think there's too many ideas that are in this book that are going to be helpful to you and I for me to not do a podcast on it. And even that introduction,

• 2:09David Senra?

  on the second page of that introduction, a lot of the way that Bush speaks and a lot of his beliefs are very much in line with his friend Edwin Land. And discovering and studying Edwin Land was such an important part of my life that I've done six podcasts on him. I think I've read five or six books, multiple, I think, two or three of those books I've read twice. So I just want to go through a couple of these things, just on one page, to just give you an idea. Because I guess the important part here is like studying Edwin Land and studying Bush. One of the main themes is they both had a profound belief in the individual capacity for greatness. So the note I left myself on this page was, this is more on Bush's philosophy. A lot of this sounds like Edwin Land. And so it says, he was a contrarian, skeptical of easy solutions, yet willing to tackle tough problems

• 2:54David Senra?

  without a compass. He was a pragmatist who thought that knowledge arose from a physical encounter with a stubborn reality. He was suspicious of big institutions. Every single thing I'm saying is Bush is what Bush believed, but also Edwin Land believed the exact same thing. They objected to the pernicious effects of an increasing, increasingly bureaucratic society and the potential for mass mediocrity. And that's not hyperbolic. Edwin Land is a two-time Harvard dropout. He winds up going and MIT asks him to give a speech. This, I think, happened in 1950s. And Land was worried that our education institutions at that time got so bureaucratic. He said that a student would get a message, he's talking about MIT, for God's sake. He said a student would get a message that a secret dream of

• 3:36David Senra?

  greatness is a pipe dream. And then he made the point that there's little connection between the way they're being taught and how the world actually works. And he says, he asked with passion, this is Edwin Land speaking, "If this is preparation for life, where in the world will a person ever encounter this curious sequence of prepared talks and prepared questions? Questions to which the answers are known." And so Land's point is if they're able to survive this educational indoctrination, they may be good, but they'll never be great. And so you see in Bush's, the way Bush would think about that is like we have, we're essentially mass-producing mediocrity. And finally, a belief that they both share that's related to what you and I are talking about right now, he believes that the individual was still of paramount importance. The individual is everything to

• 4:21David Senra?

  me. I would restrict him as little as possible. He never lost his faith in the power of one. And to me, that's why I think it's important to read books on Bush and to do podcasts about him, because he wants to inspire other people to greatness. So the prologue of the book gives a absolutely fantastic overview of Bush. I want to quote from there right now. Says, "He was the most politically powerful inventor in America since Benjamin Franklin." It says, "Bush came from an American line of can-do engineers and tinkerers, a line beginning with Franklin and including Eli Whitney, Alexander Graham Bell, Thomas Edison, and the Wright Brothers. Bush tinkered with gadgets as a boy, co-founded a radio tube company as a young professor, and designed the world's most powerful mechanical calculators in the 1930s, laying

• 5:03David Senra?

  the groundwork for the advent of the digital computer and the information revolution made possible by this machine. During World War II, he advised President Roosevelt on science and technology and organized a successful effort to build the first atomic bomb, popularly known as the Manhattan Project." In 1945, he published two landmark essays that expressed a stunning vision of a future in which technology would serve humanity's highest intellectual and political needs. The first essay, "As We May Think," predicted that new technologies would somehow deliver an unprecedented ability to receive and manage information." And he's describing the world that you and I are living in, right? "Thus improving the quality of life in untold ways." His words contain the germ of what would become the Internet. The second essay, "Science: The Endless Frontier," skillfully equated scientific and technical

• 5:47David Senra?

  progress with national health and convincingly made the argument that government must finance independent researchers at levels far above those seen before the war. In fact, as I was looking for another book on Bush, this author, G. Pascal Zachary, actually just published, it's another book, I'll leave the link in the show notes, it's called "The Essential Writings of Van Evers Bush." It's a collection of 50 of Bush's most important essays. So I'm going to get the book, but I think it's important because a lot, the reason I started studying him, and I told you this before on other podcasts, is like, if you study, there's this gigantic economic explosion in American history that happens during and after World War II, right? And when you're reading books about these founders, and you know, I've probably read, I don't know, 30, 40, 50 of them, Bush is in every single one.

• 6:32David Senra?

  His writings and his ideas were influential to generations of technology company founders.

• 6:39David Senra?

  And in this book goes into more of how he viewed the world. Bush saw the engineer as a pragmatic polymath. And he's going to describe here what that means. The engineer, he once wrote, was not a physicist, a businessman, or an inventor, but someone who would acquire some of the skills and knowledge of each of these and be capable of successfully developing and applying new devices on the grand scale. And that's important to you and I because he saw entrepreneurs as the people to organize these inputs and to convert the inputs into an actual practical product that could be used by other people. This realization that the engineer was the engine of the 20th century capitalism qualified Bush as the godfather of high technology and a leading proponent of industrial vitality through innovation.

• 7:21David Senra?

  He co-founded one company and inspired many others that formed the nucleus of the Route 128 high-tech cluster near Boston at this time in American history. Bush's keen appreciation on the value of entrepreneurs made him a lonely advocate for economic dynamism when most economists welcome the concurrent rise of big business and big government. That's an important point to pause on. He's having these views. These views are completely opposite. He's having these views in 1950. It's completely opposite to the world that he's living in, and it's why the author at the very beginning called him a contrarian. He was among the few who realized the curative power of new ventures. The best way to limit monopoly economic power, he insisted, was through the advent of small new industrial units, what we call startups today.

• 8:05David Senra?

  For if these latter have half a chance, they can cut rings around the great stodgy businesses. And so not only did he have opinions, but he forcefully argued those opinions in writing, in speeches, in actions. So this is what I mentioned last week, where when you read Bush's words, it's clear that he's smart, he knows that he's smart, and he likes to fight. His philosopher king aura smacked of arrogance. He struck his critics as imperious, intimidating, and at times even a bully who harbored a relentless, perhaps insatiable, drive for power. His intelligence, vitality, and candor impressed many. He enjoyed a good tussle, meaning a good fight, refused to back down from anyone, and when opposed, could explode in anger.

• 8:52David Senra?

  He rubbed people in authority the wrong way. And he never shied away from a fight. He took as much ground as his opponent ceded. "My whole philosophy is very simple," he told a few generals during the war. If I have, and this is actually a good idea. "If I have any doubt as to whether I am supposed to do a job or not, I do it. And if someone socks me, I lay off." So I want to pull out a couple of things from Bush's early life. His father Perry was his hero. In his autobiography, Bush calls him the best teacher he ever had. And so this is an example of a lesson that he, his father taught him when he was five years old. "Perry expected his children to be grateful for what they had and not to dwell on what they lacked. He had a kind of fearlessness in the conflicts of the world, which made him seem stoic at times.

• 9:35David Senra?

  When his son was five, he joined his father at a funeral, only to break down in tears during the service. On the way home, Perry stopped his son, his sons crying by saying, 'We've paid our respects to our dear friend, and we'll have happy memories of him. There's nothing more to be done.'" The younger Bush never forgot the lesson. The stiff, upper lip suited Van. He grew self-reliant, confident, and pugnacious. There was more to his combativeness than mere bravado. He was fiercely independent and a budding maverick. All these personality traits are appearing when he's a kid, and they're much more pronounced as he gets to be an adult. He did not like to be told what to do. He credited his ship captain forbears for instilling in him, quote, "some inclination to run a show once I was in it."

• 10:20David Senra?

  So he's growing up in New England. This part actually reminded me, all the way back on Founders number 103, I read the biography of Hetty Green, who was the richest woman in America at the time. And she came from a family of whalers. She actually grew up in New Bedford, Massachusetts. And in that book, the author makes the argument that New Bedford, Massachusetts was the richest city per capita in the world at the time. And that was a direct result of the fact that the whaling industry was so large at that time. So here we see, this is absolutely incredible. When Bush is growing up in New England as well, he's in Cape Cod, and for entertainment as a boy, he would read old whaling logs over and over. And this is why. It said, "The logs taught him about leadership and group dynamics.

• 11:03David Senra?

  The relations between the captain and the mate during voyages that lasted for years strained human nature to the utmost," he wrote. He learned that successful captains were autocratic. Let me actually pause in the middle of this paragraph. So he says, "He learned that successful captains were autocratic." It doesn't say how old Bush is when he's doing this, but let's say he's maybe 10 or 15 years old. That would mean, since he was born in 1890, he's doing all this reading, let's say 1900, 1905, somewhere in there, about 110, 120 years later, I'm doing all this reading too. Instead of reading old whaling logs over and over, I'm reading biographies of entrepreneurs over and over. I've come across, like, that's the same conclusion that I've come to. He learned that successful captains were autocratic.

• 11:48David Senra?

  And so let's define that word, a ruler who has absolute power. You and I have talked about that before. The best founders, they run their companies, they're dictatorships, they're not democracies. Hopefully, they're benevolent dictatorships, but I think what he picked up on here, the fact that successful captains were autocratic is dead on. That they met all kinds of people and did so on their terms. That they could lose everything on a gamble but were richly rewarded for success. Somebody sent me a book they want me to read called "The Power Law: Venture Capital and the Making of the New Future," and it's written by Sebastian Mallaby. I actually have another book of Mallaby's that I haven't got to yet, but I will, it's called "More Money Than God." But there's a lot of crossover between the early whaling industry and then the venture capital startup industry today. In fact, I think some of the terms, if I'm not mistaken, come from there.

• 12:32David Senra?

  But I guess I'll read the book and I'll find out more. It just popped to my mind while I'm reading this. "They could lose everything on a gamble but were richly rewarded for success, and they demanded loyalty, even deference from subordinates." He's still talking about the most successful captains, okay? "They demanded loyalty, even deference from subordinates, but they were fiercely loyal and protective of those who stood by them." And then here's the punchline, "Bush had captaincy in his blood."

• 12:56David Senra?

  And then he brings up how important his father was. In fact, I think this exact line is in his autobiography. That's probably where the author is quoting from. He's talking about his father, the teacher. "When I think of teachers who have molded my own patterns of thought, I think at once of my father. I acquired much from him, although I hardly realized it at the time." So his father's a clergyman. They don't have a lot of money. Bush sees entrepreneurship, he's gonna call it inventing, but we think about it in terms of entrepreneurship, as the path to change his financial situation. "Well aware of his family's modest means and the absolute requirement for him to turn an education into a good livelihood, Bush realized the path of the inventor offered him perhaps the only means of achieving conventional

• 13:37David Senra?

  success without sacrificing his maverick leanings." So he's in his late teens, early twenties. He's going to college at this point, and we see that he's got this founder mentality. "He relieved his anxiety through endless activity. He admired men of action, despised rules, and felt that merit meant everything." I don't have the Kindle version of this book, but I would have to guess, if you could search it, the word maverick or stubborn would come up dozens of times. He was like that way as a kid. He was like that later on in his career, even when dealing with the highest forms of the US government. But you also see that in college, when he's trying to actually get to graduate school. The note I left myself on this page was, "Stubborn, independent, and in a hurry." Bush next tried to gain admission to MIT as a doctoral student in electrical engineering.

• 14:22David Senra?

  But when the professor handling his admission refused to give him credit for his Tufts, that's the school he was at before, his Tufts course in thermodynamics, Bush fought back. The professor said that the man who taught Bush thermodynamics didn't know any thermodynamics. "That's correct. He didn't," Bush retorted. "But he isn't trying to enter MIT. I am." Bush's arguments carried the day. He wanted a promise from MIT that he would be awarded his doctorate within a year, so long as he produced the thesis. Impatient as always, he now had a specific reason for haste. He planned to marry his college sweetheart as soon as he finished at MIT. He had barely, he's in a rush because he's got no money. So he can't take a lot of time. If the course is gonna be two years, he's like, "I gotta figure out how to do it in six months or a year." This is kind of the mentality he

• 15:07David Senra?

  applied to everything, and it was extremely helpful in World War II. "He had barely enough money for one year of study, and he wished to avoid dragging his new wife into a life of pernery." So he didn't have enough money, so he ended up winding up working two jobs to get by. One job, he's on the faculty at Tufts. And then he's also working at this company called AMRAD, which is American Radio and Research Corporation. And I mentioned this last week, but the reason that's important is because this is out of AMRAD comes the invention of these radio tubes. That's the foundation for this gigantic company that's going to make Bush wealthy called Raytheon. And this is an example of being at the right place at the right time with the right set of skills. They timed their move well. In 1924, the number of homes with radios tripled. Within two years, the first nationwide radio networks were in place. Raytheon's radio tubes were destined for success.

• 15:52David Senra?

  They brought down the price of home radios and made them easier to use. They took away the sense that mastering a radio required a zeal for gadgetry. The ability to plug a radio into a wall socket rather than rely on unwielding batteries domesticated the radio. It was now no more threatening than an electric lamp. It will never cease to amaze me how all of these ideas fit together. So this jumped out at me. I had just recently reread Becoming Steve Jobs, which to me is the best single biography on the life of Steve Jobs that I've read so far. I read it for the second time, made another podcast on it. That's episode 265. In that book, there is this like 200-word mini-speech that Steve gives off the cuff. I think he's like 22 years old. The reporter writing this article finds him at a

• 16:37David Senra?

  computer show. And he uses that exact terminology. So they say, hey, this is what Raytheon did. It gave, it brought down the price of home radios, made it easier to use, took away the sense that mastering a radio required a zeal for gadgetry, very similar to what Steve Jobs did. He's like, hey, why are we building computers for hobbyists? For every one hobbyist, there's a thousand people that just want to buy a computer from the store, plug it in and use it. The ability to plug a radio into a wall socket, it's the same idea. Rather than rely on unwielding batteries, domesticated the radio. It was now no more threatening than an electric lamp. This is incredible. So let's go, I'm going to read the whole 224-word because it was included in the book. Because it says, it gives you an idea of Steve's fully-formed verbal mastery,

• 17:20David Senra?

  and the fact that he was, had this verbal mastery and magnetic charisma even when he was young. And so the magazine reporter comes up to a young Steve Jobs at the computer fair, at the Apple Computer Booth, right? And this is what Steve says. "I wish we had these personal machines when I was growing up," Jobs tells him. That's hilarious, considering that he's still in the process of growing up when he's talking about this, right? It's just hilarious. Jobs tells him, before continuing on, for a total of 224 words. "People have been hearing all sorts of things about computers during the past 10 years through the media. Supposedly, computers have been controlling various aspects of their lives, yet in spite of that, most idea, most adults have no idea what a computer really does. Or, excuse me, computer really is, what it can or can't do. Now, for the first time, people can actually buy a computer for the price of a good stereo,

• 18:04David Senra?

  interact with it, and find out all about it. It's analogous to the camera. There are thousands of people across the country taking photography courses. They'll never be professional photographers. They just want to understand what the photographic process is all about. Same with computers. We started a little personal computer manufacturing company in a garage in Los Altos in 1976. Now we're the largest personal computer company in the world. We make what we think of as the Rolls Royce of personal computers." Here's the punchline, the reason I'm reading this to you, his next sentence. "It is a domesticated computer." That is so wild to me. I love how these ideas all connect. And the crazy thing is, this is what speaks to the importance of rereading books. I reread, I read this book for the first time, I don't know, maybe a year ago, a year and a half. I can't actually remember.

• 18:49David Senra?

  Just like I read the Becoming Steve Jobs probably two or three years ago. The fact that then I pick up the book, the Becoming Steve Jobs book, years later, or two or three years later, whatever it is, reread it, reminded of this fantastic excerpt that's in that book of a 22 or 21-year-old Steve Jobs. Then a few weeks later, or a month later, or two months later, I don't actually remember when it was. I picked this book up again, reread it, and I'm like, oh wow. Where have I heard the word domesticated? It's domesticated radio. What the hell? Why is my brain going crazy when I read that? And then I'm like, I'm pretty sure somebody said that about they domesticated the computer. So who the hell said it? Then I go to Readwise where I have 20,000 highlights from all these books and all my notes and this crazy database on the history of entrepreneurship that I'm not sure anybody

• 19:34David Senra?

  else in the fucking world has. I type in the word domesticated computer and boom, I immediately see the ideas, the philosophy and the communication skills of one of history's greatest entrepreneurs. That is wild. That is how you know it is a good idea. If you could take something complex and a little bit scary and domesticate it, make it easier for the customer to immediately get a benefit out of. When you do that, you explode the fucking market. The size of the radio market before this invention was tiny compared to what it is now. What is the size of the computer market in 1976? The personal computer market in 1976 compared to now? That is an incredibly powerful idea, domestication.

• 20:17David Senra?

  And I would have never, ever, ever come up with that on my own. And these two separate experiences are separated by 50 years. This is happening in 1924 and that Steve Jobs quote is from 1977. That gets me fired up. Okay, I'm gonna switch to the next page. This goes back to, I just love Bush's personality. I like the fact that he likes to fight, that he won't back down. And he knows that it's important because you're gonna have throughout your entire life, you're gonna have people that try to bully or try to enforce their will on you. And those kind of people tend to only respect people that actually push back. So this guy, Jackson, runs the electrical engineering department at MIT. Technically, Bush works for him.

• 20:59David Senra?

  And so the main theme of this paragraph is that you have to stand up to bullies. He says, "I remember one day, Jackson told me that he didn't like the way I was running a research lab. Bush said, 'I told him, if you don't like it, you can stick it up your rear end.' We parted on those kind words. And I came home and told my wife, 'Well, I guess we're all through at MIT. Where would you like to go next? Maybe I can go out to Caltech. Do you want to go out to California?' I asked her. The next day, I went in and met Jackson, and you'd never know anything had happened. We walked down the corridor together, and you'd think that we were old buddies. But if you took it lying down, you'd get it in the neck." So actually, maybe that's a better punchline of that paragraph. Don't take it lying down. And then this is Bush on his father's death.

• 21:43David Senra?

  So it says with Perry's death, Bush lost his only hero. He had revered his father in a way that can only be defined as hero worship. While Bush had followed a vastly different path in life than his father, they had shared an outlook and a personality. They had never drifted apart either. In the last years of his life, this gives me goosebumps because I think about, like even if you have imperfect relationships with your family, like you can fix that, you can change that. So I hope my kids describe me this way. And I hope we have a relationship as they go off and become adults and live their own world. Where Bush is an adult, but he's still talking to his dad all the time and still having, look, they have family dinners every week. So it says, well, Bush had followed a vastly different path than his father.

• 22:27David Senra?

  They had shared an outlook and a personality. They had never drifted apart either. In the last years of his life, Perry joined Bush for an evening meal every Sunday. So the phrase ceaseless activity is repeated over and over again in descriptions of Bush. This is another example of this idea where Mark Andreessen says that in a startup, you only experience, ever experience two emotions, euphoria and terror. That you're prone to flip rapidly from a day in which you're going to own the world, that you think you're going to own the world. And then to the next day, you'll feel that your business is doomed. And so we see Bush going through that now. Bush found that all his striving for knowledge, status and wealth had taken a toll on him. Though he generally succeeded in taming his nervous energies through ceaseless activity,

• 23:10David Senra?

  it wasn't always possible to exorcise the demon of anxiety. He remained susceptible to bouts of nervous tension throughout his prime years. These eruptions of anxiety were hard to predict, but undeniable all the same. I can't think of one person I read a biography about that did not experience that. And I think the lesson there is everybody's got to figure out for themselves, like how, anxiety, terror, discomfort, emotional pain, all this stuff, it's inevitable. So what can I do to lessen its effects so I can work my way through it and not give up? Something that, that Bush used was, he was a believer in hobbies. And so it says, as hard as Bush worked, he seemed equally intent on relaxing. And he did so by pursuing myriad, a myriad of hobbies.

• 23:55David Senra?

  He was a great believer in the tonic effect of hobbies and took his private pursuits seriously. Whenever he fancied something, he did not go halfway. That's for sure. This guy is incapable of doing anything by halves. And then there's just this random line that I think is fantastic advice. It's the advice that he gave his sons. My father used—this is his sons talking. My father used the phrase, "justify the space you occupy," which graphically conveys a message. "Justify the space you occupy." Throughout the book, from the very first page almost to the very end, is this theme that reappears over and over again. The fact that the world that we live in is going to be dominated by science and technology.

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  And if you don't learn how to utilize these tools, you're going to be run over. And he applies this to all kinds of different domains, from education, to war, to building a company. And so I pulled out this one specific paragraph and this one specific quote from Bush, because I love it. You can reduce it down to a maxim, which is, "Do not emulate the ostrich. For better or worse, we are destined to live in a world devoted to modern science and engineering. If the road we are on is slippery, we cannot avoid a catastrophe by putting on the brakes, closing our eyes, or taking our hand off the wheel. What is the sane attitude of a scientist or layman? Absence of wishful thinking. No emulation of the ostrich."

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  As you can imagine, for somebody like Bush, learning was a lifelong pursuit. And one way to express the value of that is this maxim. It says, "His success and his pleasure in his success lent credence to this assertion: Brains are wealth, and wealth is the chief end of man." A few pages later, it goes back to this idea. "For better or worse, we're destined to live in a world devoted to modern science and engineering and the increasing effect of technology on the world that we live in." Bush disagreed that America had it overdosed on technology. That's hilarious, because this is happening in the—this is before the 1940s. Bush disagreed that America had it overdosed on technology. Snapping at critics, "Would we go back to an earlier time with less sophisticated technology?" he asked.

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  "Of course not, because the standard of living has gone up, not down, due to technological advance. Besides, humanity cannot separate itself from technology. It is us. For better or worse," he warned, "we are destined to live in a world devoted to modern science and engineering." And then we get an overview of his entire life philosophy. You could even say this was Van's religion. He insisted that discipline must be self-applied or it will be externally imposed. Bush's own personal religion stood in sharp contrast to the collectivist ideal. Shunning organized denominations, he raised his faith in individuality into a secular spirituality,

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  a capacity for joy and self-mastery, a sense of tradition and the courage to meet difficulties with a smile or a joke. These were the hallmarks, in Bush's view, of a life worth living. "The greatest thing," he told his MIT students, "is to play an effective part in a complete scheme of things." He found romance in adversity and solace in hard work. Sheer activity was his antidote for doubt and the avenue leading to existential satisfaction.

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  And then he goes back to this point that universities are just mass-producing mediocrity. Bush bemoaned the failure of teachers to show students how to tackle a comprehensive engineering problem in its entirety, drawing his tools from various sources, ranging across mathematics, physics, chemistry, and even economics. Instead, students were usually taught by a narrow specialist with an interest in the minutia of a very limited field. That's a direct quote from Bush. "They're taught by a narrow specialist." Remember this part because he's going to contrast the way people are being taught with the self-education from Leonardo da Vinci and Ben Franklin. So he says, "Students are being taught by a narrow specialist with an interest in the minutia of a very limited field.

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  As a result, the student is hounded," Bush insisted. "His hours are crowded and closely scheduled. He has little time for reading or reflection, and he does little such. All but the exceptional students become autonomatons." For Bush, this is a really good punchline here, actually. "For Bush, using freedom wisely was the whole point of life, and so must be the entire thrust of education." And I would compare what he's saying there with what Edwin Land said, that "formal schooling destroys the capacity for individual greatness."

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  And so he goes into more detail why he thinks this is dangerous and unnecessary. In these days, when there is a tendency to specialize so closely, it is well for us to be reminded that the possibilities of being at once broad and deep did not pass with Leonardo da Vinci or Ben Franklin. Men of our profession, we teachers, are bound to be impressed with the tendency of youths of strikingly capable minds to become interested in one small corner of science and uninterested in the rest of the world. It is unfortunate when a brilliant and creative mind insists upon living in a modern monastic cell. We feel the results of this tendency keenly as we find men of affairs wholly untouched

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  by the culture of modern science and scientists without the leavening of humanities. I'm going to pause right there. Think about what his friend Edwin Land said, that he wanted to build a company at the intersection of science and the humanities, or technology and the humanities. One most unfortunate product is the type of engineer who does not realize that in order to apply the fruits of science for the benefit of mankind, he must not only grasp the principles of science, but also know the needs and aspirations, the possibilities and the frailties of those whom he would serve. In other words, he's got to know the nature of humans.

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  Another way to think about Bush is the fact that he's an evangelist for entrepreneurship, for inventing, for learning, and that he couldn't help himself. He would invent for fun. Bush was an irrepressible inventor. While an astute manager of research teams, he often pursued his grandest intuitions alone. For him, inventing was a calling, a way of life. Inventing was a game. He was good at it, and it relaxed and amused him. No matter how tight his schedule, Bush never stayed away for long from his own experiments. He would find sheer pleasure in tinkering. And then of his own experience, he realizes the need to develop some kind of tool for thought. And what he's going to describe here, so he, I'm about to read to you here. He's thinking about this in the 1930s.

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  He's going to describe the way you and I use personal computers today. He mused about ways to automate the activity of thinking itself. People trying to think strength straight in the midst of complexity, as he often did, needed more than a device that just crunched numbers. They needed help in disciplining their random ideas. More important, they needed a way to manage the rapidly growing amount of documents and data that threatened to overwhelm the specialist and render whole fields incomprehensible to even the intelligent layman. Bush wondered if some sort of thinking machine might forestall what looked to be an inevitable information glut.

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  And so not only did he have these thoughts, but he put them out. He wrote them. He shared them with other people. He spoke about them. In fact, I came across this paragraph a couple of pages later after he's talking about, hey, I need a tool for thought. Like, what can we do here? What he's about to describe here, he's describing the Kindle, right? In 1936. So he publishes an article in Technology Review Magazine. And he says, "He envisioned paper books being replaced by microfilm readers." "He outlined a device that would store and reproduce on a screen thousands of books." Okay, so now I gotta fast forward in the timeline because I gotta get to why Bush, the most important thing he ever did and what he was most well-known for is this idea

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  of being the liaison between government and industry and researchers. So I'm going to read this whole part because I just think it's fantastic and it gives you an overview of why he was so important. Then he tackled a crucial topic that so far had been ignored. This was the possibility of, quote, "a liaison between government and industry and researchers arising in a time of stress." So I guess I should pause here. I just said I was going to read the whole thing and then I immediately interrupt myself. What we've already discovered is like how he, he was like so far seen. He's constantly finding himself at the right place at the right time with the right set of skills and being able to see on the horizon a need for change.

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  And so this, he's describing something before World War II, before, I don't, actually, it might be, it's before America is in World War II, I should say. So he's, he's got this idea, it's like, hey, in a time of stress, we're gonna need to coordinate and no, there has to be somebody coordinating between government and industry and researchers, right? He soon made it clear that the stress he worried about was another world war. He hoped that the US would not be drawn into another conflict, but if that happened, an organization that united government, academic, and industry researchers could prove of great value to the nation's military establishment. That was the idea he had before it actually occurred, and he was dead right. And this is why, I feel quite, quite strongly, he said, that it, that if this organization

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  of corporate research directors gets into healthy operative condition, it would also be an important factor, an important link in the chain between government and the industries of the country in times of stress for the purpose of the national defense. So this is happening in 1938. The looming international crisis ended Bush's day, days as a world-class inventor. And then he does something unbelievably intelligent here. He moves to DC, to Washington DC in anticipation before he's asked to do this, and this is why. Bush could not tell if the US would be drawn into the war, but he considered moving to the nation's capital in ca, in case it was.

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  Washington is a central point, he thought, and I might be useful there in time of war. He didn't, and this is crazy, he didn't want to do this. He just thought it was the right thing to do. He did not relish the prospect of living so far from his cherished New England. Washington struck him as alien ground, and even visiting the city was an irritation to him. And then we see this repetition, he's repeating this idea that's said throughout the entire book. It applies to war, education, company building. This is happening, this chapter is on 1939 to 1940, so I think this is when he said it. It is being realized with a thud, that the world is probably going to be ruled by those who know how, in the fullest sense, to apply science.

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  And so in the early days of World War II, before America jumps in, Charles Lindbergh, the famous aviator, gives this speech. You probably know his name because he actually was the first one to make that first nonstop flight over the Atlantic. I think he flew from like New York to Paris. But anyways, he gives this speech saying, hey, the Germans are just so much, the German Air Force is just so much further ahead. There's no way we can compete with them. I've read in a bunch of different books that people thought he was like a Nazi sympathizer. I have no idea. I haven't looked into it. But the reason I'm bringing this to your attention is because I just love Van Bush's response. This, his response to an enemy with superior technology? Alright, cool. We're just gonna have to get smarter. I absolutely love this guy. Lindbergh left a mark on Bush who did not easily, easily accept influences.

• 36:00David Senra?

  Lindbergh showed such respect for German air power that he usually convinced listeners that the Nazis should be granted a wide berth. But Bush reacted differently to Lindbergh's scare tactics. He was impelled to action by the very threat which Lindbergh so forcefully presented. This is, I know I've repeated this over and over again, but this is a main trait of Bush that we have to get in. He likes to fight. Not one to retreat from a fight, Bush felt the country could keep its peace only by showing its strength. He wisely asserted that every innovation in war could be stymied by a counter innovation. He glimpsed around the curve of knowledge, exuding a poise and confidence and that tomorrow's

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  inventions would erase the advantage of today's dominant weapons. This is way before the invention of the atomic bomb. How crazy is this? He was, he was not unnerved by Germany's lead in military hardware. Neither did he accept American weakness. This is a little bit about Bush coming to respect FDR, even though he did not agree with his policies. He says Roosevelt wanted an inventive government rather than an orderly government. That's a really interesting idea to apply to, to companies. We want an inventive company rather than an orderly company. I think big. Bureaucratic companies, right? They optimize for order over invention, where startups or smaller little groups of small, smart people actually want the opposite. I like that idea.

• 37:28David Senra?

  Roosevelt wanted an inventive government rather than an orderly government. Not a team of reliable workhorses, but a, but a team of high spirited and sensitive thoroughbreds. Even if that meant he must spend time handholding his prima donnas. That just made me think of something. Let me grab it, actually. I have a couple of quotes. When I got to this section, it's about how, it says FDR and Bush, brevity is the soul of wit. David Ogilvy has really influenced my thinking on the importance of brevity. But then I'm just sitting here thinking, he's like, oh, like, he wants an inventive government rather than orderly government, and he's willing, even if he has to spend time handholding his prima donnas. I'm like, where have I heard that before? I just put in the term "lay golden eggs." This comes from Confessions of an Advertising Man, which is David Ogilvy's autobiography.

• 38:13David Senra?

  I did this all the way back on Founder's Number 89. I gotta reread that book soon. It's been, when did I put that podcast out? September 15th, 2019. Yeah, I gotta, Ogilvie's like a hero of mine now. I gotta reread his autobiography. But he says something fascinating. It's very similar to what FDR, the conclusion of FDR, is arriving at here. And David Ogilvy says, tolerate genius. Conan Doyle wrote that mediocrity knows nothing higher than itself. My observation has been that mediocre men recognize genius, resent it, and feel compelled to destroy it. There are very few men of genius in advertising agencies or in any company anywhere, but we, where we need all we can find, almost without exception, they are disagreeable.

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  Do not destroy them, they lay golden eggs. So let me repeat that even smaller. Tolerate genius. There are very few men of genius, but we need all that we can find, almost without exception, they are disagreeable. Do not destroy them, they lay golden eggs. Absolutely fantastic. Go back to this book. Bush was a high spirited thoroughbred and no doubt a prima donna. He pulled out a single sheet of paper that contained a crisp description of his plan for mobilizing military technology. Remember, brevity is the soul of wit. That's what we're talking about here. He pulls out a single sheet of paper that contained a crisp description of his plan for mobilizing military technology. Bush then steeled himself to answer tough questions and he does it in like this

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  six point, it's like six, it's numbered one through six, like basically bullet points of what's, like what he has in mind. So he says, he steeled himself to answer tough questions from the president. But Roosevelt had already made up his mind. After a few casual comments, he wrote, okay, FDR. This is what he would do throughout the war. Like you send him in information, like you, you need authorization to do something, whatever the case is. This communication, the way he, the FDR would communicate. Think about all the stuff he's managing at this time. It's gotta be insane, right? And that, that's what you were looking for. You wanted okay, FDR on the, like on the paperback to you. Okay, FDR on the single sheet of paper. Bush was elated. He had his endorsement and it had come in less than 15 minutes. And so Ogilvy's religion, David Ogilvy's religion was brevity.

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  I'm going to quote from a couple of different, I have all these highlights saved from his books. This is from Ogilvy in Advertising. He says, I ask you to forgive me for oversimplifying some complicated subjects. And for the dogmatism of my style, the dogmatism of brevity. We are both in a hurry. And this is also why, his love of brevity is why I think David Ogilvy may be the, the single best writer that I've ever read any books from. It says, Ogilvy believed in a model of clarity and brevity. His ideas gained powered, gained power, rather. From a terse, compact writing style. I believe in the dogmatism of brevity. All of the books, and I'll leave a link in the show notes and available on the podcast.com to list all the different.

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  Books I've read and podcasts I've made about Ogilvy, but what I try to convince people is like, listen, just right now, go on Amazon, go wherever you buy your books, order the unpublished David Ogilvy. It's like a collection of memos and writings he did. These were internal things. These were not meant for external publications. You don't have to read the book. It's like a collection of just ideas. Put it on your nightstand, put it somewhere out on your desk, whatever. Pick it up, read it for two or three minutes, five minutes a day, whatever it is. It's going to prompt thinking and ideas in just a few minutes. It's absolutely fantastic, but it's a great description of his terse, compact writing style. More quotes from Bush here. I'm going to read his quote first and then I'm going to read my thinking, like, how can we apply it to what you and I are doing?

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  "If we had been on our toes in war technology 10 years ago, we would probably not have had this damn war," Bush said. And so my thinking is, how do we not fall behind with technology inside of our companies? Something that appears over and over again in these biographies is that these people have personal mottos. Teddy Roosevelt's personal motto, "Get action." Ernest Shackleton, the famous polar explorer, "By endurance we conquer." Stan Lee, the creator of Marvel, had a personal motto. He says, "Ever upward." And this is Bush's personal motto. He actually kept this on his desk. It says, "If the person was especially sharp, he might even understand the Latin phrase that Bush took for a personal motto."

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  When translated into English, it meant, "Don't let the bastards get you down." "Don't let the bastards get you down," was his personal motto. That's hilarious. This is Bush's advice on how to have meetings. "He punctuated his meetings with precise declarations, which lent an aura of certainty to his off-the-cuff decisions. He would outline the situation up to that date using his precisely accurate recollections. Then he would say, 'What's new? What are our alternatives? What are the pros and cons of each? Then we'd kick those around.' Then he'd say, 'Well, it looks like we should do so-and-so. But if we do that, what are the pros and cons?' From this winnowing process, a decision would arise. He'd then say, 'We'll do that. We'll move.'

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  He would not dilly-dally." And then it goes into using technology to develop these unprecedented weapons of war. But I found one paragraph in this section jumped out at me because it's describing what role Bush played, and it really sounds like the role of a great founder, right? So it says, "Bush's role would not be to build more powerful bombs, but to organize the experts who would. He would not immerse himself in the making of any special weapon, but become the father, in a sense, to all weapons that would spring from his lab. He would sustain his far-flung researchers financially and organizationally, protect them from arbitrary demands of others in government, and in the end, shepherd the fruits of their

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  labors onto the field of battle."

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  And then this is just an amazing description because with FDR, General Groves, Oppenheimer, and Bush, they're really operating in a hidden world that very few people know exists. There's some detail, I read this fantastic book about the partnership between Groves and Oppenheimer, it's episode 215, rather. If you haven't listened to it, it's called "The General and the Genius: Groves and Oppenheimer, the Unlikely Partnership That Built the Atom Bomb." And of course, Bush is in that book as well. But this was just one paragraph, it's just fantastic writing I wanted to share with you because it's a way to think about the Manhattan Project. "Throughout the war, Bush shared an a secret world. This secret world was like a box within a box, a hidden room behind the wall of war. It had its own rules, or rather, no rules.

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  It mocked all of Bush's other war work, looming in the background like a ghoulish shadow. With the passing of each day, the shadow grew larger and larger, until it engulfed everything in sight. This was the new world of the atomic bomb."

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  And then a few pages later, just two sentences here that I think are very important because Bush has got a giant ego, but he's got to subjugate his own ego in service of the country. And so this is how Bush saw his role in this project. "Bush saw his role as the relayer of reliable opinions from scientists in the trenches to Roosevelt and his aides. He did not mind serving as a messenger, provided he believed in the intelligence and judgment of those who had written his script."

• 45:42David Senra?

  So something Bush has mentioned multiple times, he mentioned in his autobiography, mentioned in this book, he talks about how rough and tough, he's like, "We live in a tough world." The direct line is, "We are living in a real and tough world." And I think that statement is informed by all the things that he had to live through, and just saw that you have to do when you're survival, your literal life and death survival is on the line, that you have to be willing to do whatever is necessary to actually win. And so throughout the book, there's some examples of how far they're willing to go, and even like a cursory study of history is like, "In a time of war, there is no limit to how far humans will go." This is an example of that. "Throughout the war, the state of Germany's bomb project was the great unknown. So they had to ponder ways to reduce this threat.

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  One of those actions, this is an idea that Oppenheimer, Groves, and Bush are discussing, one of those actions might be the kidnapping of the top Nazi physicist Werner Heisenberg, who at the time was considered the key to Germany's hope for an atomic bomb. This idea was taken seriously enough by Robert Oppenheimer that he discussed the possibility of kidnapping Heisenberg with Bush and Groves. Bush doubted the value of the Heisenberg scheme." But this is the reason I'm saying, I'm reading this point to you. "He had no moral qualms, but thought the kidnapping would be hard to carry off." And then he goes into the amount of stress and anxiety he's under, he's really, there's only like one other person, maybe he might be the only person having his set of experiences in the world. "Bush felt isolated, and he knew he had few people to lean on.

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  He was well aware of the extraordinary loneliness of his own situation. The anxiety was intense, yet Bush refused to trouble the president, simply in order to calm his nerves. He later said of his situation, 'No one who has not been placed in a post of heavy responsibility can realize what a lonesome feeling it is.' The best antidote for Bush's anxiety was action."

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  And then there's a great description of like the tangible effects of Bush's work, along with thousands, maybe tens of thousands of other people. But really, the lesson here, what I'm about to read to you, and this is just a paragraph, is, for our purposes, "The more resourceful entrepreneur is the one who's going to win." "The material output of the Allies was extraordinary, all the more striking when contrasted with the inability of their enemies to make the most of the resources they had. It took expertise," in other words, "for the Allies to outproduce the Axis. Germany and Japan were handicapped by an inadequate level of conversion to munitions production and utterly haphazard planning procedures.

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  By contrast, Allied administrators proved astonishingly competent at churning out useful equipment. While the Axis began the war with a huge lead in weaponry, by 1943, the material balance had reversed. In that year, the Allies outproduced the Axis in aircraft by a factor of nearly four to one. The more resourceful entrepreneurs are the ones that will win." And then after the war, there's an entire chapter on his essay called "As We May Think." This is important because it inspired generations of computer scientists and founders and inventors. The Atlantic published an essay by Bush entitled "As We May Think." In it, Bush describes a futuristic machine called the Memex that produced, or, excuse

• 48:59David Senra?

  me, that promised to give man access to and command the inherited knowledge of his ages. He imagined the Memex as a work desk with viewing screens, a keyboard and a set of buttons and levers. Printed and written material, even personal notes, would be stored on microfilm and retrieved rapidly and displayed on the screen. This device would be more than a private library. It would be a personalized aid to memory that would remove the drudgery from human thinking. Bush presumed that the human memory organized information by association, so he imagined a process by which any two pieces of information could be linked together. He considered this an aid to memory, hence its name.

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  By mechanizing the process of association, the Memex would extend the powers of the human mind. And this is a great summary on the impact of this essay that he wrote. He put into plain English, "A set of problems that technologists must satisfy if they were to claim victory in the drive to mechanized cognition." That he had barely a clue how to actually achieve this in no way detracts from the value of his vision. He gave a generation of inventors a target to shoot at.

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  And then I just want to include this one line for completely selfish reasons, because I feel that an apostle of the individual is a main theme of Founders Podcasts. "An apostle of the individual, Bush imagined a machine that could amplify the consciousness of a single person." I love the fact that they described him as an apostle of the individual. And then I'm going to get to what Bush said after the test. He was at the first successful test of the atomic bomb. It says, "It was July 16, 1945, and the Manhattan Project was a success. The atomic age had begun. After things settled down, Bush heard that Oppenheimer, the project's scientific chief, was leaving by car for a day or two of rest. Bush walked down to the base gate and waited for Oppenheimer to pass.

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  When Oppenheimer arrived at the gate, his car slowed. He could see Bush standing at attention. At the moment of recognition, Bush took off his hat to Oppenheimer, then the car sped off. For Bush, there was little left to do in New Mexico. That afternoon, he hopped a plane back to Washington. Bush remembered only feeling tremendous relief, what he later described as, quote, "About as great a release of tension as a man could possibly have."

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  And this is a hell of a sentence in great writing to put everything into perspective. "Perhaps no inventor since Benjamin Franklin had exerted such a direct effect on American political life. Bush expressed no guilt over the nature of his achievement. He had married science and the state, invention and destruction."

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  And then I want to end where his autobiography leaves off. His autobiography is published in 1970, the one I did last week. He dies in 1974. And to me, this is a reminder, no matter how formidable you are, and Van Bush is one of the most formidable people I've ever studied, we all share the same fate. So this serves as a reminder. Our time here is limited. Bush recovered slowly at home from a prostate operation, but at 83 years old, he was worn down and he knew it. His eyes were failing and his hands were no longer steady. He could not work in his shop. Even worse, he apparently had lost his fierceness. He missed his wife Phoebe, who had died five years earlier, and often just stayed in bed. Maybe his age is against him now. He just wants to lie there, his housekeeper said.

• 52:25David Senra?

  We are all in hopes that he will get mad enough someday and get up and get the show on the road again. But Bush felt his melancholy. Compared to his illustrious past, his present life meant almost nothing. And that is where I'll leave it. If you want the full story, this is a giant book. There is so much more in the book. If you want to read a fantastic biography of Van Bush, I will leave a link in the show notes and it's available at founderspodcast.com. If you buy the book using that link, you'll be supporting the podcast at the same time. If you want to remember more of what you read and you want to use the app that I use when I was pulling up all the stuff I was mentioning earlier about the domesticated computer and how it relates to the domesticated radio in this book, I was using this app called Readwise. It's the best app I pay for.

• 53:10David Senra?

  You can get, you can try it for free for 60 days. 60 day free trial, you go to readwise.io/founders. That is 271 books down, 1,000 to go, and I'll talk to you again soon.