Ambassador Bridge

A billionaire family’s private bridge empire shaped Detroit for decades, sparking battles over power, neighborhoods, and the future of an international crossing.

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• 1:41Roman Mars?

  This is 99% Invisible. I'm Roman Mars.

• 1:46Roman Mars?

  Detroit, Michigan is the home to the Ambassador Bridge, which links Detroit to the Canadian border city of Windsor. The Ambassador is essential. CNN once called it "the most economically important one and a half miles of roadway in the Western Hemisphere."

• 2:02Speaker 01

  Every day, endless lines of trucks wait for hours on a concrete plaza flanked by rows of traffic cones so they can be processed by a border agent.

• 2:11Roman Mars?

  That's producer Andrew Layman.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  The Ambassador is the linchpin of the North American auto industry. Cars are constantly being driven back and forth to different factories. Last year, more than 2 million trucks drove across the Ambassador. In fact, 30% of all trade between the US and Canada rolls over this bridge.

• 2:32Roman Mars?

  Everybody has to use the bridge because they basically don't have any other choice. There's a tunnel nearby that's too small for most trucks to drive through, and the next closest international bridge is some 65 miles away.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  To get to the bridge, all those freight trucks first have to drive by a residential neighborhood in southwest Detroit called Mexicantown. And for many years, they had to drive right through it. Mexicantown is right at the bridge's entry point, and residents have suffered through loud honking and negative health effects for decades. Here's how Sam Butler, president of a local neighborhood group, described it to me.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  There is this, like, black soot on, like, windows or on the outside of people's homes that face the bridge that you can, like, literally take your finger, wipe off a piece of this black soot, living so close to a international crossing that gets 10,000 trucks per day.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Folks in Windsor don't like the bridge either. It's not well-maintained. Large chunks of concrete have been known to break off and fall on the streets below.

• 3:36Roman Mars?

  Basically, everyone in the surrounding area hates this bridge, but they have nobody to complain to. They can't petition the city, or the county, or even the US or Canadian governments, because none of them own this bridge.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  In fact, for the longest time, the Ambassador Bridge was owned by one guy. You had to take it up with him, if you could get a hold of him.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  I'm a quiet, private man. But somebody decided to make me something other than being private. I didn't.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  That's Manuel Maroon. He went by Matty. He owned the Ambassador Bridge from 1979 until 2018, when the ownership transferred to his son, Matthew. The elder Maroon may have been private in the sense that he almost never gave interviews. But for decades, he was quietly one of the most important people in Detroit.

• 4:31Roman Mars?

  When Matty Maroon died in 2020, he was a billionaire. A good chunk of his empire was funded with bridge tolls and the duty-free gas stations on the bridge.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  By this point, you're probably asking the obvious question. How can one man and his family own an international bridge? A critical piece of infrastructure that so many people have to use? Actually, a lot of critical infrastructure is privately owned. And the story of the Maroon family in Detroit shows how this kind of relationship can go totally wrong.

• 5:08Roman Mars?

  The Ambassador Bridge has always been privately owned. And when it was built in the 1920s, that wasn't so unusual.

• 5:16Speaker 01

  At the time, the economy was booming and the country was modernizing. But local governments were often slow to act. So, big infrastructure projects, like bridges, sometimes needed private investors to get off the ground.

• 5:29Roman Mars?

  In Detroit, the auto industry was taking off. But there was no easy way to get parts across the river from Canada. They needed a bridge. The city and the state weren't building one, so private investors started raising money and drawing up plans.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  I should add, the mayor of Detroit at the time did not like the idea that this bridge would be privately owned. He tried to stop it. But after the city passed a ballot proposal by a huge margin, he had no choice. The stakes were driven into the ground in 1927.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  At a ceremony to mark the occasion, a 16-year-old girl in high heels bounced across a catwalk over the Detroit River. This girl, Helen Austin, was the daughter of one of the bridge's original investors. Reports at the time said she was the first person to walk across the river.

• 6:20Roman Mars?

  Here's what one local newspaper wrote that day. "Through the clouds of dark brown smoke that rose above the railroad, one could vision a mighty steel structure of greater clearance than the Brooklyn Bridge, spanning the Detroit River and opening a new era in continental transportation."

• 6:39Speaker 01

  But the celebrations were short-lived. The ambassador struggled after the Great Depression and, for years, had financial problems. The owners managed to keep it open by making the bridge into a publicly traded company with shares available on the stock market. For a time, this approach helped keep the bridge solvent. But ultimately, the decision to sell shares opened the door to a takeover by one man, a man nobody in Detroit had ever really heard of.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  His basic biography ought to be that of rags-to-riches American hero, and instead, he's probably the most disliked businessman in Detroit by far in a couple of generations.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  That's John Gallagher. He's a retired Detroit Free Press journalist and one of the only people to have ever interviewed Maroon, who really was a self-made success. Maroon started working in his dad's garage after college and tenaciously grew that into a local trucking empire.

• 7:37Speaker 03

  Matty told me during one of the few times when he was talking to reporters that as a teenager, he had pumped gas for Jimmy Hoffa and, you know, came from sort of rags-to-riches, built this enormous fortune, mainly through his trucking company.

• 7:54Roman Mars?

  Matty Maroon outbid some fierce competition, including from Warren Buffett, to get total ownership of the bridge. Matty Maroon actually had a long history with the ambassador before he purchased it. His family had been pushed out of their home by the original construction project. But 50 years later, the bridge was all his. Basically, a license to print money.

• 8:15Speaker 04

  You have a family-controlled, private company of scale, right? That, you know, you do the math, but they must have been turning millions and millions of dollars of unbelievable profit from this asset.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  This is Steve Tabakman, a former Democratic Michigan State Representative from southwest Detroit. He says after Matty Maroon bought the bridge in 1979, he became a notorious figure in the community. Describing every shenanigan Matty Maroon got up to in Detroit would take hours. I'm not going to do that. But baseline, according to Tabakman, Maroon didn't do very much to address the longstanding complaints about noise and dirt in the neighborhoods near the bridge. In fact, there wasn't much community outreach at all.

• 9:01Speaker 04

  There was no presence for this company in the community other than the commerce they were doing. So there weren't large investments. It wasn't like there was a Manny Maroon Community Center, or Rec Center, or, you know, Reading Room at the, at the high school, or anything like that.

• 9:22Speaker 01

  Detroit's wealthiest businessmen have tended to give a lot to local charities, especially when the city started losing people in the mid-20th century. But Matty Maroon wasn't a big public philanthropist.

• 9:34Roman Mars?

  He was more focused on expanding the bridge empire. In the 1980s, Maroon bought up a bunch of land near the bridge. Then he presented a plan to expand the ambassador's entryway, the opening plaza. This expansion was so the bridge could accommodate more traffic and bring in more tolls.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  To accomplish this, Maroon needed to buy up the land near the bridge's opening. But there was one problem. That land was already occupied by a vibrant residential neighborhood.

• 10:02Speaker 05

  I mean, the bridge company wasn't thinking about what they were wiping out. They were, they had tunnel vision.

• 10:11Speaker 05

  Bridge vision, I guess, is what it should be called.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  Kathy Wendler is a Detroit native. She worked for the Southwest Detroit Business Association for decades, first joining in 1981, two years after the Maroons took over the bridge. Her job was community development. She soon realized that meant she would have to oppose the Maroons.

• 10:32Speaker 05

  It was located in a community. It was located in a place. And that place was at least as important as that bridge.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  Important, and to its residents, pretty special. Southwest Detroit was not some big industrial depot, far from it. This is a closely knit neighborhood. A lot of the Motor City is really spread out. Wide boulevards, meant for a lot of cars. But southwest, it's dense, and it's accessible.

• 11:04Speaker 05

  It was walkable. You didn't have to have a car. You could get groceries. You could go to the doctor. You could get dry cleaning done. It was vibrant.

• 11:18Speaker 01

  For the folks living here, the neighborhood felt special. And the Maroons and their ambitious plans quickly became everyone's business. Here's Sam Butler again, the head of a local neighborhood group.

• 11:28Speaker 02

  I don't think it's hyperbole to say that a lot of neighbors feel like the bridge company has historically been an existential threat to the neighborhood.

• 11:37Roman Mars?

  Throughout the 80s, Matty Maroon bought up a lot of property to expand his bridge empire. His representatives went door to door in the Mexican Town neighborhood, purchasing one house after another and putting pressure on the residents who stayed.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Anthony Benavides is a Southwest Detroit community activist. He says the Maroons used a tactic called block busting to buy up local real estate. Basically, they would buy up houses and depopulate the street so that eventually, everyone would leave.

• 12:06Speaker 06

  He was strategically buying houses throughout the block and just letting them sit there. They were vacant, so of course, you had drugs, you had prostitutes, you had wild dogs.

• 12:17Speaker 01

  Anthony loves his community. He's worked for years at a public park in the area, in full view of the bridge. And he saw the systematic destruction of his neighborhood up close.

• 12:28Speaker 06

  The people next door to that house, they sat there looking at a vacant house for years until they are begging Manny Maroon to buy their house.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Sometimes the sales agents gave no indication they were there on behalf of the Maroons. They'd represent companies with names like Mexican Town Real Estate Company.

• 12:48Roman Mars?

  Some unsuspecting homeowners were desperate to get out of the area that was being hollowed out and collapsing from blight. They were happy to sell. Only later did they learn the truth about who bought their property.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  Maroon wanted to buy up the land near the bridge so he could one day expand its entry plaza and collect more tolls. But he bought lots of other property, too. Enough to become a true baron of Detroit real estate. One website that tracks landlords in the city estimates the Maroons have owned as many as 978 properties in Detroit alone.

• 13:24Roman Mars?

  And the Windsor Star estimates that at one point Maroon owned another 139 properties in Windsor at the bridge's entry point on the Canadian side.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  A lot of the property the Maroons were buying wasn't anywhere near the bridge. And once they owned them, the Maroons weren't that interested in doing anything with them. In fact, the Maroons accumulated so many blight tickets over the years that they struck more than one deal with the city to pay them off in negotiated lump sums. This kind of thing, buying property and just letting it go to seed, it was happening a lot in Detroit around this time. The city was declining rapidly in the 80s, and land was selling for cheap. That meant land speculators could sweep in, take advantage of an economic downturn, and hoard real estate just in case Detroit ever made a comeback without having to worry about keeping it up. Who was going to foreclose on you? The city? They were broke.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  If you can buy that property for $500, $1,000, $3,000, I guess you're investing that on a speculation that hopefully one day, someday, somebody comes and wants to buy that property and they're willing to pay you multiples of that, you know, few thousand dollar purchase price and the property's become valuable. And the worst case scenario is you lose the property to tax foreclosure, but that is a 30-year gamble and then you're only out your original cost.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Matty Maroon's buying spree got so big that he eventually landed on a major piece of Detroit history. In 1992, Maroon purchased Michigan Central, a massive former train station in the southwest neighborhood of Corktown. The station was a relic of an earlier era in Detroit, when people still commuted by train. And its giant tiled ceilings also welcomed newly arriving migrants and Black Americans coming up during the Great Migration. The building was known as Detroit's Ellis Island.

• 15:20Roman Mars?

  Michigan Central had seen better days, even when Matty Maroon bought it, but he did nothing with it, besides building a fence around the property and putting in some windows after the old ones had been busted by looters.

• 15:32Speaker 01

  A majestic transportation hub rotting away in plain sight. To a lot of people, it felt like a metaphor for what had become of Detroit. Carl Craig, a Detroit techno pioneer, cited the building as a weird kind of inspiration for himself and other musicians as they developed this revolutionary new post-industrial sound in the Motor City.

• 15:53Speaker 07

  This is a typical example of Detroit. Just beautiful structure. It was booming when I was a kid and now 20 years later, it's just totally [__] up.

• 16:07Roman Mars?

  By the 1990s, Michigan Central was a magnet for graffiti and scavengers. It embodied the dreaded Detroit stereotype of ruin porn.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Urban explorers went spelunking inside to gawk at the ravages of the Rust Belt. Like in this clip from the 2012 documentary Detopia, in which an opera tenor wanders through Michigan Central. The walls are crumbling and filled with graffiti.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  It looks like something out of a zombie movie. And this is what I think is so sad about the whole situation. The original owners of the bridge were trying to help grow Detroit's economy during its boom years. Decades later, the new owners were coming out on the other end and helping to accelerate the city's disastrous fall.

• 17:06Roman Mars?

  While many of their properties fell into disrepair, the Maroons still made huge profits because their main business, the Ambassador Bridge, became even more indispensable after the passage of NAFTA in 1992.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Remember NAFTA? You know, the agreement designed to eliminate tariffs between the United States and Canada? Anyhow, NAFTA led to a big increase in commerce between the two countries and made the bridge essential. Forbes magazine once estimated the bridge makes $60 million in revenue every year.

• 17:39Roman Mars?

  After the passage of NAFTA, Mattie Maroon became notably more ambitious in his dealings with Detroit. He made a pretty brazen move to expand his business by starting construction on a second bridge, right beside the first one.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  Traffic had increased so much on the Ambassador, there was clearly demand for another bridge. The Maroons knew that. They also knew that if they didn't act on that demand, the second bridge would be built by someone else, someone who would threaten their monopoly.

• 18:09Roman Mars?

  Mattie Maroon didn't have permission from the city of Detroit, or the city of Windsor, or from anybody to start building a new bridge. In fact, Mattie Maroon was supposed to be doing something completely different, something positive for the community. In 2004, Maroon signed a $258 million deal with the city for an initiative called the Gateway Project.

• 18:31Speaker 08

  The Michigan Department of Transportation, residents, stakeholders, and community leaders are teaming up to improve the international gateway into Michigan, the region, and Detroit.

• 18:43Roman Mars?

  For the Gateway Project, the government would build more roads to ease traffic. And in exchange, Maroon promised to build entryways to connect the bridge to the highway system, so trucks would no longer have to drive through the Mexican Town neighborhood. It seemed like a great deal for everybody. But instead of holding up his end of the bargain, Matty Maroon's company started construction on a second bridge in 2007. They didn't get very far. In the end, they only built two ramps that didn't connect to anything.

• 19:13Speaker 06

  They call it the Dukes of Hazzard Bridge right now. So it's like, it's like, you know, it's never even built. It's just like a ramp going up.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  For years, Matty Maroon promised to take action and connect up with the highway, but he never did. All he did was build that bridge to nowhere, claiming it was part of the Gateway Deal. The city appeared helpless. They waited five years for Maroon to hold up his part of the bargain. Members of the community fought back against this kind of behavior with dramatic public protests. Anthony Benavides remembers one of them.

• 19:47Speaker 06

  There's people that laid on the road so those trucks couldn't go through. Literally laid on the road. That's how involved they were. They literally put their bodies in front of trucks.

• 20:01Roman Mars?

  More than 100 people formed a human chain to block access to the bridge. Some elected officials joined them. So did the Occupy Movement.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  And the protests spread out. The Metro Times, the Alt Weekly, published a cartoon depicting Maroon as Mr. Burns from The Simpsons. Protesters carried a giant puppet of Matty Maroon and paraded him in front of Michigan Central, where they chastised him for owning so many blighted properties.

• 20:34Speaker 09

  I'm here because we are sick and tired of Matty Maroon and his broken, torn down, his houses that's dilapidated, renting them to people. This is crazy with all the money that he has. He's a billionaire, he's a CEO. He's the only one getting rich.

• 20:53Roman Mars?

  Despite these protests and pushback from politicians like Steve Tobakman and Rashida Tlaib, the Maroons still largely got their way, partly because Matty Maroon spent heavily on lobbying in Michigan. For years, when the state would raise the prospect of dealing with the bridge's problems, those efforts would die quickly. They're also known to be very litigious. To avoid drawn-out legal battles, local governments usually decided the best way forward was to cut deals with the family on all bridge matters. But with so much pushback against the Maroons, a showdown became inevitable.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  In January 2012, Maroon and his longtime right-hand man, Dan Stamper, were hauled before a county judge. Fed up with their foot-dragging on the Gateway Project, the judge ordered both of them to spend one night in jail. Maroon was 84 years old. One of the richest and most powerful men in the city was thrown in county lockup. John Galgore remembers this well.

• 21:50Speaker 03

  It was astonishing that a guy of his stature, I mean, a billionaire businessman, would be thrown in jail for resisting, you know, a court order.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  The stay in the pen wasn't too bad for Matty Maroon. He got approval to have the Detroit Athletic Club, a swanky, members-only venue in the city, send over a catered dinner that night. When he got out, he had a big smile on his face. Hi.

• 22:14Speaker 10

  How are you? Fine. How do you feel to be out? I love our country. Best country in the world.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  For a long time, it seemed like the Maroons' bridge monopoly would never end. Ultimately, the only group of people with the clout and the ability to stand up to the Maroons was the Great White North.

• 22:36Roman Mars?

  Yes, Canada came to the rescue to bail out America. And when Canada came swinging, the final battle over the future of the ambassador began.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Canada's top ministers actually agreed with the Maroons about something. There should be a second bridge connecting Detroit to Windsor. They just didn't want Matty to own it.

• 22:57Roman Mars?

  Beginning in 2004, the Canadian government made a series of proposals to build a second bridge. Their bridge would link up directly with the freeway, making the trip easier for truckers and the quality of life better for the neighborhoods in Detroit. It would introduce competition, and it would bring back pedestrian walkways. The ambassador had closed theirs years ago.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  A Canadian diplomat named Roy Norton was the public face of the effort. He made it clear, breaking up the Maroons' bridge monopoly would be no easy task.

• 23:28Speaker 11

  I confess to having had periodic visions of a Maroon-owned 18-wheeler bearing down on me and forcing me off the road as I crisscross the state of Michigan. The bottom line in Michigan, the Maroons win. At least historically, that's been the case.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  Norton called the Maroons liars and scoundrels. He chastised the lawmakers who took their campaign money and suggested the whole family should be investigated for violating antitrust laws.

• 23:58Roman Mars?

  This tough talk paid off. In 2012, an agreement was reached. A second bridge would be built and controlled entirely by the Canadian government. It would be named the Gordie Howe Bridge, in honor of the Canadian hockey star who played most of his career with the Detroit Red Wings, a symbol of binational unity.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  And here's the sweetener: Canada would pay the entire cost of the new bridge. American taxpayers would pay nothing. This didn't sit well with the Maroons. Another bridge would mean they'd have to adopt competitive pricing and make costly improvements just to stay afloat. So they pulled out all the stops to try and prevent the Gordie Howe from being built. Matty Maroon's son, Matthew, made his case to the media.

• 24:42Speaker 12

  We've got a Michigan business that's been here for 83 years and contributed economically to the city and the state.

• 24:50Roman Mars?

  The Maroons fought back with some pretty aggressive tactics. In 2011, when the Gordy Howe was still in the planning stage, a bunch of yellow eviction notices went up in a neighborhood close to the proposed bridge site. A lot of people, understandably, freaked out.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  But the notices were fake, a scare tactic meant to drum up opposition to the Gordy Howe Bridge. A conservative lobbying group, Americans for Prosperity, took credit for the fake eviction notices.

• 25:18Roman Mars?

  Then there was the ballot box. Matty Maroon spent more than $30 million to get an amendment passed by Michigan voters called Proposal 6. Proposal 6 would make all future bridge projects subject to a referendum by both state and local voters. The whole thing was designed to make approval for projects like the Gordy Howe Bridge much more difficult.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  Groups supported by Matty Maroon ran ads implying that voters somehow would have to pay for the Gordy Howe Bridge, and that Proposal 6 would stop that from happening.

• 25:50Speaker 13

  Here's why Michigan voters are voting yes on Proposal 6. There's no such thing as a free bridge.

• 25:57Speaker 14

  There's no such thing as a free bridge. Someone pays.

• 26:00Speaker 15

  I don't care who owns the bridge. All I care about is paying for a new one without even being asked.

• 26:06Speaker 16

  Yes means we have the power. No means we give it away to the politicians.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  They called their campaign "The People Should Decide." Ultimately, the bridge amendment failed, with 60% of voters rejecting it. Still, the Maroon family wouldn't go down without a fight. The Maroons took the new bridge authority to court, filing lawsuit after lawsuit to delay its construction, and appealing all the way to the state Supreme Court. Eventually, they ran out of legal avenues, but they were able to drag things out for six years.

• 26:38Roman Mars?

  In 2018, during President Trump's first term in office, the Canadian Bridge was due to finally begin construction, so Matty Maroon tried a hail mary to save his family's monopoly.

• 26:50Speaker 17

  Dear Mr. President, there are two grand new bridges being proposed in Detroit between America and Canada. One is American-made, American-owned. It uses American-made steel, 5,000 American workers. The other would be Canadian-made, Canadian-owned, Canadian workers. Who knows who would make the steel?

• 27:11Speaker 01

  This ad ran on Fox News in the hopes that Trump would see it and intervene. Given that the president was known to watch Fox News constantly, it wasn't a bad plan.

• 27:20Roman Mars?

  In this ad, the Maroons tried to paint their idea for a bridge project as a patriotic alternative.

• 27:27Speaker 17

  Choose American. Thank you, sir. Signed, America.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  Despite all of this, let's just call it lobbying, Trump never intervened. And the Gordie Howe Bridge finally broke ground that June.

• 27:45Roman Mars?

  This fall, the Gordie Howe Bridge is set to open. It's a brand-new symbol of Canadian-American friendship, at a moment when relations between the two countries and their leaders are at their lowest point since the War of 1812, when British troops burned down the White House.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  As another Canadian once said, "Isn't it ironic?"

• 28:08Roman Mars?

  Since the loss of the bridge monopoly, the Maroons have taken a step back. The same month the Gordie Howe Bridge began construction in 2018, the family sold Michigan Central to the Ford Motor Company for $90 million.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  In 2020, Matty Maroon died at the age of 93 from heart failure. He had already transferred control of the family's enterprises, including the bridge, to his son Matthew. Since then, the Maroons have continued their blockbusting in new areas of the city, connected to other business ventures. But the tone and the family's tactics have softened. They've held public events. They reached a community agreement with Southwest Detroit that clearly defines where they can build and where they can't. And earlier this summer, they tore down the bridge to nowhere. In Michigan Central, oh, boy. Ford Motor Company spent nearly $1 billion renovating it and turned it into a tech hub

• 29:05Speaker 01

  and tourist destination with a luxury hotel on the way. They turned the whole project into a major community effort. And they even welcomed the station's looters to return the historic stuff they stole, no questions asked. And many did. When the building reopened last year, it included a public exhibit of all that repatriated loot. A reopening concert brought out Detroit's finest musicians like Eminem, Diana Ross, and Jack White.

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Between the new bridge and Michigan Central reopening, there are a lot of reasons for Detroiters to celebrate the city right now. In 2013, Detroit filed the largest municipal bankruptcy in American history. But from this embarrassing failure, things started looking up. New people and businesses have moved in, and developers reshaped the city at lightning speed. The new bridge has been part of that excitement. Here's John Gallagher.

• 30:12Speaker 03

  It was a generational change where some younger people came in, some people who didn't have the same negative image of the city that maybe their parents had had or something. And the city just began to turn around. And, you know, by 2015, 2020, it was pretty apparent that a lot of great stuff was happening.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  It's hard not to see the shift in attitudes around Detroit. When I interviewed Kathy Wendler at a Michigan Welcome Center, she excitedly pointed through the window to the sidewalk outside, not to the Ambassador Bridge, but to something else.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  I don't know if they just caught that couple with the two kids walking by. But at one point, this neighborhood would have never been a place where family moved in.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  For Kathy Wendler, this was a sign of what she's been fighting for over the past few decades: the revitalization of the Motor City.

• 31:08Speaker 05

  It's tremendous, especially for the people who held out and said, "We raised our kids here, we sent school here, properties that are still here are getting invested in, new constructions going on. There is hope. There's always hope. If you can live long enough, there's always hope."

• 31:34Speaker 01

  For decades, the Maroons have been seen as civic villains by lots of people in Detroit. Maybe things would have turned out differently if another family had owned the bridge. But Kathy Wendler says it doesn't matter. To her, there's a much simpler lesson here.

• 31:51Speaker 05

  International border crossings shouldn't be privately owned.

• 32:00Roman Mars?

  The Ambassador Bridge has been in the news recently for some pretty upsetting reasons. More with Andrew Lepin after this.

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• 35:32Roman Mars?

  So I'm here with producer Andrew Leipen. Hey, Andrew.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Hey, Roman.

• 35:35Roman Mars?

  So you live in Michigan. And how often do you actually use the Ambassador Bridge?

• 35:40Speaker 01

  All right, well, I'm not a long haul trucker, so I'm not using it all the time. But whenever I go into Canada, yeah, I do pay my fair share of coin to Maroon Enterprises. A few weeks ago, the family and I took a trip to Toronto. We drove over the bridge. We paid our toll. And then we sat through the customary eight to 10 traffic lights that separate the bridge from the trans-Canadian highway on the Windsor side. So we got the full trucker experience.

• 36:08Roman Mars?

  And so how excited are you for the new Gordie Howe Bridge to open?

• 36:12Speaker 01

  I think this is really cool. Everybody here is talking about it. I should add that Gordie Howe was also the originator of the phrase elbows up, which has become this like Canadian anti-Trump rallying cry, which I just think is kind of funny in the current moment. We did recently hear that even though it was slated to open up this fall, it might actually get delayed until next year. That's looking like more and more of a distinct possibility. And that's because the Canadian government, which is paying for all the construction, has not yet fully built out the entry ramps. So even though the bridge itself is, they say, 98% complete, something like that, some of the surrounding infrastructure isn't quite there yet.

• 36:52Roman Mars?

  Well, there really is nothing easy about the infrastructure bridging these two countries at this point, is there?

• 36:58Speaker 01

  No, I guess that's why they only do it once every 100 years.

• 37:01Roman Mars?

  So one of the reasons we wanted to do this story about the Ambassador Bridge is that it's been in the news recently. So could you fill us in on some of the recent developments?

• 37:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. It's been in the news for a pretty dark reason. So the Ambassador is obviously an international crossing. And there's been a lot of focus in this new Trump administration on the border and on various international crossings, mostly on the southern border, but also here in the north. We just had Kristi Noem, Trump's Homeland Security Secretary, in town recently doing an event called Secure Our Northern Border, where she claimed that gang members from South and Central America might be plotting to cross the Ambassador. And I don't really know how likely that is. But concurrent with that, we have seen increased detainments of migrants at the bridge, mostly by Customs and Border Patrol, but also increasingly by ICE.

• 37:53Roman Mars?

  So there has been more activity at the Canadian border. I mean, we mostly hear about news on the southern border, but the Canadian border is also showing a lot of activity.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, and at the Ambassador, there's like this unusual twist to it that is so strange, which is that this bridge, it's not particularly well-marked. Like, only in the last several years has it actually connected directly with the highway. And the signs that tell you you're going onto the bridge come at you really fast, and it's sort of notorious because it says, "Bridge to Canada, no reentry to the US." And so if you take that, you are stuck. You kind of have to go over the bridge. There was a Detroit Free Press investigation recently that found, oh, actually, there is a way that is completely unmarked, where if you make this turn, you don't have to go on the bridge and pay the toll, but most people just don't know about it. So they're pushed into the bridge, into this toll lane. They're forced into Canada. They have to turn back around, which means

• 38:46Speaker 01

  they have to get processed by border security. And we've just seen a lot of migrants get nabbed this way since the start of the year. Like, a lot of people make this turn by accident, but just in the first part of this year, from January to March, the statistic came out that more than 210 people were detained at this bridge crossing, and more than 90% of them had crossed onto the bridge by accident.

• 39:12Roman Mars?

  90%! Oh, my god.

• 39:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. This is a number that comes from the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan and the offices of Rashida Tlaib, who's the Detroit Congresswoman, who made this congressional visit in April to this detention site right next to the bridge that's run by CBP. So I spoke recently with someone at the Michigan Immigrant Rights Center, their legal group that helps immigrants in the state. So they worked with the ACLU to like get these numbers, which they say come directly from CBP, including that stat about more than 90% crossing it by accident. We don't really know how many people have been detained in this manner since March. So since then, I've been told that, you know, CBP has kind of stopped holding

• 39:55Speaker 01

  migrants in these windowless detention facilities, but that's only because they've farmed out the responsibility of holding the migrants to ICE, which is using this privatized facility at the other end of the state.

• 40:07Roman Mars?

  Oh my god. So have any news stories leaked out about who is getting detained and you know what the tragedy of their detainment is all about?

• 40:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, there are some pretty horrifying stories here. Just to give you a sense of just how incidental this tends to happen. There was this one mother with her family and they were just trying to get to Costco, but they had accidentally mapped out directions to the Costco in Windsor, which took them across the bridge, which resulted in the CBP throwing them in a detention facility for several days. And then there was this other very well-publicized story from the New York Times. This Venezuelan man named Ricardo Prado Vasquez, who had been working in Detroit as a delivery driver. And so in January, actually like a few days before Trump's swearing in, Vasquez made a wrong turn onto the Ambassador

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Bridge and was added to a deportation list. And then, you know, months later, his family had not heard from him and he essentially seems to have vanished from the government's records of migrants that they had deported. So there was this period of time where he seemed to have been functionally disappeared by the US government. People just didn't know where he was. Since then, there have been reports that indicate that he was sent to CICOT, which is this notorious prison in El Salvador where, you know, Trump is sending a lot of these migrants. So he was not sent back to his country of origin, which was Venezuela. And the Department of Homeland Security has claimed that he was affiliated with gangs and that they had reason to deport him. But again, all of this happened because he drove onto the Ambassador by accident.

• 41:40Roman Mars?

  Right. I mean, I mean, it's not the bridge's fault that the government has taken these sort of horrific actions against the people who cross the border by accident. But the way I see the world is that bad design contributes to horrible decisions and everything gets more complicated and it adds to the bridge's complicated legacy.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally. I mean, this to me feels like one more kind of unfortunate chapter in the history of this giant piece of infrastructure that has been managed in these very specific ways over the years and how it's sort of formed this chokehold on the livelihoods of everybody who lives around it and relies on it. Because this bridge is just, has been the only game in town. Like, it took so much work just to get these highways to link up with the bridge, and then it took so much work recently to improve the signage that there's a big Canadian flag on it for people who, you know, may not read English or may not be able to decipher the sign quickly enough. But all this stuff just adds to this stew of, you know, reasons why it's probably not

• 42:43Speaker 01

  in the best interest of the public to rely so much on the owners of this one bridge. Uh, you know, you may have heard about this other incident, these protests in 2022 where these like Canadian truckers literally blocked the bridge for several days because they were protesting COVID vaccine mandates, like nobody could get through. This was like a six-day protest, and over those six days, $300 million was lost because the auto industry and all these other businesses that relied on the bridge just had literally no way to get their product across the bridge. So it helps explain why Canada was so desperate to like get another bridge in place here

• 43:23Speaker 01

  and why so many people are fed up with the fact that this one bridge has been the only economic through line between these two extremely valuable nations.

• 43:36Roman Mars?

  Well, it's really sobering stuff, and it's such a fascinating story. I'm so happy that you reported it for us. I mean, I just enjoyed the process of watching the story develop so much. So thank you for reporting it. I appreciate it.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. It's been a real treat to dive into this.

• 43:53Roman Mars?

  99% Invisible was produced this week by Andrew Lepin. Andrew made a podcast called Radioactive about Detroit's inflammatory radio priest, Father Charles Coughlin, and you can check it out at andrewlepin.org. Editing this week by Chris Perube, fact checking by Graham Heisha, mixed by Martin Gonzalez, music by Swan Real. Special thanks this week to Thomas Klug, Ray Lozarno, Glenn Lepin, and Anna Megdal, and the archival staffs at the Burton Historical Collection at the Detroit Public Library, and the Bentley Library at the University of Michigan for help with research. Recording help this week from Peg Watson at Michigan Public and Eric Wazan at Solid Sound. Our executive producer is Kathy Too, our senior editor is Delaney Hall, Kurt Kohlstedt is the digital director. The rest of the team includes Jason DeLeon, Emmett Fitzgerald, Christopher Johnson, Vivian

• 44:38Roman Mars?

  Lay, LaSham Adon, Jacob Medina Gleason, Kelly Prime, Joe Rosenberg, and me, Roman Mars. The 99% Invisible logo was created by Stefan Lawrence. We are part of the SiriusXM Podcast family, now headquartered six blocks north in the Pandora Building in beautiful Uptown Oakland, California. You can find us on Blue Sky as well as our own Discord server. You can find all of our past episodes at 99pi.org.

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