Pod Insights The Big Picture The Tom Cruise Movie Draft About this episode Sean and Amanda are joined by Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, and Chris Ryan for a very special episode where they draft the best movies of Tom Cruise’s legendary career. They talk about their relationship to Cruise, introduce some new draft categories, and have a whole lot of fun.
Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins
Guests: Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, Chris Ryan, and Bobby Wagner
Producer: Jack Sanders
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3:16 Sean Fennessey? I'm Sean Fennessey.
3:17 Speaker 06 I'm Amanda Dobbins.
3:18 Sean Fennessey? And this is the Big Picture Conversation Show about Tom Cruise. We have a very special episode today. Not only is CR Chris Ryan here to draft, but returning to the show to draft Van Lathan and Bill Simmons.
3:31 Speaker 07 You're already on your phone.
3:32 Sean Fennessey? The last time this quintet was together, we drafted Denzel Washington movies. Bill actually looked at his iPad for roughly 88% of the pod.
3:40 Speaker 07 Yeah, I got competitive. I'm not getting competitive.
3:42 Speaker 06 Bill stroked out and also like went into the red zone.
3:46 Sean Fennessey? But Bill performed very well in that draft. He won that draft, according to the people out there on X.com. Van, you came in what place?
3:53 Speaker 08 Can't remember.
3:54 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
3:55 Speaker 08 I don't have any thoughts of winning. I don't want to win.
3:58 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
3:59 Speaker 08 I want to draft the coolest group of Tom Cruise movies by the Van stand.
4:05 Speaker 06 Yeah, this is the Shay Serrano school. You can't lose if you're true to yourself.
4:09 Speaker 08 That is Shay has inspired me. That's what I'm doing with this draft.
4:14 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Well, there was much talk right before we began recording of no prep.
4:18 Speaker 08 Zero.
4:18 Sean Fennessey? Now, I have tried to build in a system that would demand some prep. This is a very different draft than we usually do. Usually... It's five categories, three people, maybe four people. There's usually a lot of meat on the bone when we get to the end of a draft. In this case, eight categories. Tom Cruise has only made forty six films.
4:39 Speaker 06 I think all of his movies will be drafted.
4:41 Sean Fennessey? Not quite all of them, but close to by the end of this draft. So having said that, Bill, Van, Chris, you were bragging about no prep. You're sure.
4:49 Speaker 06 I did not brag about that. I have plenty of prep. What are you talking about?
4:52 Amanda Dobbins? His laptop's open.
4:52 Sean Fennessey? You said you could do it blind.
4:53 Speaker 06 I said I could do it blind, but I'm not.
4:55 Speaker 07 Oh, CR canceled one of his eight other podcasts that he goes on to prep. Sorry, off the peg to Brad Barrett, big hit last night.
5:05 Sean Fennessey? Were you double booked for anything today? Did you have to move anything around?
5:07 Speaker 06 We were gonna talk divers, you know, we're gonna be like, what do you guys think, you know? We'll play first base.
5:14 Sean Fennessey? I mean, what do you want to say about Tom Cruise? I usually be open with some deep, personal thoughts. Amanda, he's very important to you as a movie star.
5:22 Amanda Dobbins? He's important to all of us. I would say he unites the five people around this table. You guys have sort of a latent war, Tom Cruise versus Tom Hanks war going on.
5:33 Speaker 07 Yeah, but I love Tom Cruise. It's not fair. And Sean like Jedi mind tricked me to make that a war. Love both of them.
5:40 Sean Fennessey? Bill was Jedi mind tricked when he watched Star Wars.
5:42 Amanda Dobbins? Was it gonna come here or was it gonna be, is this gonna be a time for healing?
5:47 Speaker 07 I love Tom Cruise.
5:48 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
5:48 Speaker 07 We've done seventeen Tom Cruise movies in the rewatchables, which is four more than anyone else. And there's like seven left to do.
5:55 Speaker 06 Yeah.
5:55 Speaker 07 Like easily. And I haven't run out of things to say about him yet.
5:59 Speaker 06 Have you ever, what's the closest you ever got to having him on your pod?
6:04 Speaker 07 You know, by the time I had a podcast, he'd already gotten pretty weird.
6:09 Speaker 07 You know, it's, it's like pre oh five Cruise, post oh five Cruise. And I just don't think he would do stuff like that anymore.
6:15 Speaker 06 Yeah, I was just wondering about that.
6:16 Sean Fennessey? Has he ever done a podcast?
6:17 Speaker 06 No, but I just was watching his, some of his con stuff and some of his like London media tour for Mission Impossible. Final reckoning. And I was like, he's got really good anecdotes. I wish he would just do one, but I understand what you're saying.
6:31 Speaker 07 I think after the Lauer interview, however many years ago that was.
6:34 Amanda Dobbins? I think it's all like twenty years ago, like the Oprah couch. And this couch does not look unlike the Oprah couch is twenty years ago this month.
6:41 Sean Fennessey? I had this special order for this pod.
6:43 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, Chris, you ready? Um, yeah, so like twenty years ago.
6:47 Speaker 06 We talk about how much I love podcasts.
6:50 Speaker 08 It's the podcasting is too freewheeling. It's like it's it's long form. You're gonna get a lot of time. There's gonna be people asking, why don't you ask him about this? Why don't you ask him about that? I don't know if like he wants to get that deep into the whole, the whole depths of Tom Cruise lore by doing a pod like.
7:11 Speaker 07 Everyone says he's like so crazy intense. It would be really fun to interview him.
7:16 Speaker 07 Cause there's just like a charisma and a magnetism to him. Everyone agrees that it almost feels like you're with like.
7:22 Sean Fennessey? He's very like locked in on eye contact.
7:24 Speaker 06 Yeah, it makes you feel like you're the only person in the world. That's what everybody says.
7:27 Sean Fennessey? And also, like you said, Chris, like he does have great stories. The problem is because all of his press has been so tightly managed and contained over the last 20 years. I have now heard all of those stories 14 times. Amanda and I were in Vegas last month for CinemaCon and he gave an extended almost 20 minute presentation tribute to Christopher McQuarrie, the Mission Impossible director. And he dropped like three or four anecdotes I just heard multiple times before. So he's kind of just relying on the same material, I think, to kind of stay boring on purpose. So that nobody gets him in that town hall scenario that you're describing.
8:00 Speaker 08 You know what he is to me?
8:01 Speaker 07 Fantasy absent strategy.
8:03 Speaker 08 I give it to you all, but you can't.
8:05 Speaker 07 He stays un-boring on purpose.
8:08 Speaker 08 He's movie guy to me. Let me tell you what I mean. Like when I think of the NBA, I think of Michael Jordan, like right away. When I think of tennis, I know I think of Pete Sampras just because that was my tennis guy when I was like watching a lot of tennis. When I think of movies, I think of Tom Cruise. He's got this ridiculously wide appeal in terms of how the films that he's been in. He's never quite been appreciated as the actor's actor. But I think the longer his career stretches out, we're starting to get an understanding of how hard it is to be in as many different genres of movies as he is and to be that excellent. So he is movie star.
8:52 Speaker 08 When I think movie star, I think Tom Cruise. For a second, it was Tom Hanks. But he's outlasted Tom Hanks as far as his, his, uh, his marketability and his relatability to people and his relevance to people. He's outlasted Tom Hanks.
9:08 Speaker 07 You don't know if Tom Hanks had made seven castaways, we might be.
9:12 Speaker 08 But, but, but that's, that might be part of the calculus as to why Tom Cruise did. I don't know if Tom Hanks would want to make seven of any movie.
9:20 Speaker 07 Yeah.
9:21 Speaker 08 That he's in, but Tom Cruise wanted it. He wanted to be the biggest movie star for the longest amount of time.
9:26 Speaker 07 Yeah, but he only outlasted him because he just decided to make action movies for 20 years in a row. Right. It's not like he's taken a chance since when. When was his last chance? Tropic Thunder?
9:36 Sean Fennessey? I think you could argue Lions for Lambs is kind of a chance. That is like, it was an actual drama. He was playing a politician. It was kind of an unusual part for him. It just happened to be an absolute dog baby of a movie and then nobody remembers it or thinks about it.
9:49 Speaker 08 Great script though. Terrible, terrible.
9:50 Speaker 07 Well, we talked about, he never had his, the verdict. He just, for whatever reason, he never wanted to age.
9:57 Sean Fennessey? Part of the reason.
9:58 Speaker 07 With movies. He wants to pretend he's still Tom Cruise from 20 years ago.
10:01 Sean Fennessey? This is a really good time to be doing this drafting conversation because I think at least by the way it's being communicated to us, The Final Reckoning, the Mission Impossible movie coming out next week is, I don't know if it's going to be the last Mission Impossible movie, probably not, but they're demarcating it as like the end of something. And the next movie he's making is with Inaritu.
10:19 Speaker 07 Mm-hmm.
10:19 Sean Fennessey? And he has not worked with a director like that in a long ass time. I mean, we're talking 20 years. I mean, he has not worked with a, you know, aggressive auteur, an international filmmaker. Like, that's just not what he does. He has his guys, he has his McQuarries and his Kaczynski's. He brings in like Brad Bird occasionally, J.J. Abrams, but like really polished Hollywood filmmakers. So maybe he's about to go on that period where he takes more chances. I don't know.
10:44 Speaker 07 It's like, I loved when Leo was in the bear. Can I be in a bear?
10:49 Speaker 06 Can I just make the revenant again?
10:51 Sean Fennessey? Stay in the bear. Maybe he should be the bear.
10:52 Speaker 06 Yeah.
10:53 Speaker 08 Yeah.
10:53 Speaker 06 Uh, you know, to Vance' point about him being like movies person in our lifetimes. I also think he's kind of like the definitional movie star of each decade that he's participated in, in different ways. So like the eighties, obviously this like absolutely stunning, charismatic, young movie star that brings the kind of Bruckheimer Simpson gloss to life with his smile. The nineties, like the anchor to those really well crafted genre movies that I think we kind of like refer to over and over again, perhaps out of generational laziness, but certainly that's where our tastes lie. Two thousands, high concept, big blockbusters. That's where the Mission Impossible ball starts rolling downhill. And now in this era,
11:39 Speaker 06 kind of the figurehead for the, we have to save the theatrical experience. Movies really matter. Movies are like an important American export, et cetera, et cetera, that he's really hammers more than the importance of Mission Impossible as a story or Ethan Hunt as a character. It's really like the movie serves the movies rather than like a story. I think he's, he's been a fascinating figure in that way.
12:03 Speaker 08 He also kind of in there was also the mascot for the death of the movie star. When he started to have. That's Will Smith. No. Yeah. I, I, I really don't, I think that Tom was so well regarded and he was so beloved that when the entire mid two thousands stuff started to happen and he couldn't really find his footing, he was making movies that people would have liked in eras gone by, but they weren't going out to see him now, that it was kind of like, we don't need Tom Cruise's anymore. We have all this IP stuff. We can stick a Chris in there and get the same type of feeling and we don't need that one guy. And then.
12:47 Speaker 06 Chris Ryan.
12:47 Speaker 08 Chris Ryan. And then.
12:48 Speaker 06 That's the Ringer Podcast Network philosophy is to impersonate.
12:52 Speaker 08 Tom Cruise outlasted that.
12:54 Speaker 07 Mm hmm.
12:55 Speaker 08 He he outlasted that and he brought it. He reoriented things back around himself.
12:59 Amanda Dobbins? He and he really courted this idea of I am the last movie star. I am the only person who can save movies as a way both to come back from like kind of 10 years of in the wilderness. I don't know how many movies from 2005 to 2015 will get drafted. I mean, they have to because we have to. Yeah, because we have to draft so many of them. But he he did manage to kind of to to glom on to the concept of movies. And if you go to the see movies, you go see Tom Cruise. And so, I mean, you know, there was like a national research group study recently where it's like, who are the movie stars? Tom Cruise is the first name on all of them.
13:42 Amanda Dobbins? When I interviewed a bunch of like, Gen Z kids for this podcast, Tom Cruise was their movie star. He like, he saved the movies, though maybe only for himself. He's like the last one left.
13:52 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I think he's made efforts to be like, I'm at seeing Tenet today, guys. You should come see Tenet, despite the fact that there's a pandemic. He just had a photo op for sinners. Like, he is making an effort to kind of point out that going to the movies matters.
14:04 Speaker 07 Seem authentic to you, though?
14:06 Sean Fennessey? I think he authentically loves movies, whether or not he like, actually understands the subtext and themes of sinners is not clear, and he'll never speak on it.
14:14 Amanda Dobbins? Also, like, does he actually go to theaters? He says he does.
14:17 Speaker 07 That's the podcast I want to hear. Tom Cruise on sinners.
14:20 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
14:21 Speaker 07 Breaking down the blues in 1930s.
14:23 Sean Fennessey? I mean, obviously, it benefits him to support sinners.
14:25 Amanda Dobbins? Then she spits in his mouth. And that's just what's what's going on there. Yeah.
14:30 Sean Fennessey? I think it's probably important to circle that 2005 demarcation point in time, too, because, you know, like, that's not just when like IP comes in, and it's not just, it's when he is sort of like hitting the stage of your career where if you don't have a life raft to cling to, you would become Tom Hanks, where you would only become interested in doing character parts or parts about older guys. And he has this obsession with like, the retention of youth.
14:59 Speaker 07 Well, think about 05, too. People coming for his title, too. Damon's already making The Bourne's. Leo's really coming. He's doing the Cruise playbook and working with great directors. Denzel's still there.
15:11 Speaker 07 And it's a little like LeBron in the NBA when all the young guns are coming, trying to stay relevant, be in there, but you know, like.
15:18 Speaker 06 But like LeBron.
15:19 Speaker 07 Father time's coming.
15:20 Speaker 06 Science has allowed him to like stay, stay young.
15:24 Speaker 07 Well, and you know, all the, all the ladies, the guy's just an incredible bachelor.
15:29 Speaker 06 Tom Cruise?
15:30 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yeah.
15:31 Speaker 06 Sure.
15:31 Speaker 07 The energy you get from playing the field like he has.
15:34 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, yeah.
15:35 Speaker 07 Ana de Armas.
15:36 Speaker 06 Mm hmm.
15:37 Speaker 07 Penelope Cruz.
15:38 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
15:39 Speaker 07 Nicole Kidman in her prime. Just, it's just incredible. Nobody has a better list than Cruise.
15:46 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, absolutely. 2005 as well.
15:51 Speaker 08 Asshole.
15:52 Sean Fennessey? In 05, he, he makes his second movie with Spielberg and then.
15:56 Speaker 07 Rodney Rogers?
15:57 Sean Fennessey? And then.
16:00 Sean Fennessey? And then things go sideways and he and Spielberg don't talk for 15 to almost 20 years.
16:06 Speaker 06 And it goes sideways off of the couch stuff, right?
16:08 Sean Fennessey? It was off of the Scientology stuff.
16:10 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, but they, that's all court made because of Scientology. He makes a number of, well, not because of.
16:16 Sean Fennessey? But Spielberg literally does credit him with saving theatrical with Top Gun Maverick. Like in that particular case, it's kind of true. I mean, that is the movie that brought back movies for so many people. That was, you went into the movie and you saw that movie in movie theaters.
16:30 Speaker 07 Ciara and I did a rewatchables in my guest house, like 15 feet apart.
16:34 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, gave each other COVID for the fifth time.
16:36 Speaker 07 We stayed just far enough apart to rave about Maverick for two hours. It was great.
16:42 Sean Fennessey? So, yeah, I mean, I think even though it does benefit him, I think he actually is really the avatar for this thing that we're always talking about. He does want you to show up on Friday night.
16:50 Speaker 08 Deeply cares.
16:51 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
16:52 Speaker 08 I mean, it certainly benefits him, but I think he looks at himself as the last gunslinger in the West. Like I, I think he deeply, deeply cares because in order to do the types of things that he does and involve himself in the type of spectacle. That he's willing to involve himself in. You just have to have an incredibly inflated sense of self purpose. You just, you, you do.
17:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
17:20 Speaker 08 You're like, like, and so I, I think he deeply cares. He believes it. Um, obviously it's what he's kind of built his life around. I think Tom Cruise thinks that there's something special about the movies and he doesn't want to have his life. And while the movies have, while their lives have ended, like he, he cares very deeply, I think.
17:40 Speaker 07 Well, think about this. How many superstar actors have we had? Who would be totally happy if they died doing a stunt during the movie and that's how they went out? He's the only one.
17:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yep.
17:49 Speaker 07 Nobody else would be like, hey, could you? You might die during this, like, that's fine. If, if that's what was meant to happen, then that's what meant. Like, if we find out Tom Cruise, God forbid, died doing a movie. It would not be surprising.
18:04 Speaker 08 Right.
18:05 Amanda Dobbins? No, there, there's like.
18:05 Speaker 07 It literally wouldn't. Nobody would be like, oh my God, I can't believe that happened. We'd be like, yeah, we've been wondering if this is gonna happen for 20 years.
18:12 Amanda Dobbins? Preparing ourselves for like the last five.
18:14 Speaker 08 There's nobody else like that.
18:15 Speaker 06 But it seems like the way that he wants to go out. I mean, he seems way more interested in leaping off of buildings than making his verdict. And the contrast to this would be like Keanu Reeves, who's just like, my body is broken down. I have made too many of these movies. I cannot play John Wick. And then they're like, we'll put another zero on it. And he's like, fucking fine.
18:32 Speaker 07 Yeah, fine. I'll just, I'll get, get me some more Toradol.
18:35 Speaker 06 Yeah.
18:35 Sean Fennessey? Um, I wanna save all of my final reckoning thoughts for next week when the movie comes out. But I will say that there is a stunt in this movie. They're like, I actually don't know how he didn't die. I, I don't understand it. I don't know how they did it. And it's one of the most dangerous looking things I've ever seen. Fair to say?
18:51 Amanda Dobbins? I, I mean, it's astonishing and you know it's coming and you're still like, what are you doing? Like, it's the only reaction.
18:57 Sean Fennessey? And he's in his 60s.
18:58 Amanda Dobbins? It's.
18:59 Sean Fennessey? It's crazy. So I think you're right, Bill. I think he would probably be content going out as the entertainer's entertainer. That's the thing he's most interested in right now is did I, did I give you your money's worth?
19:09 Speaker 06 I think a lot of people would be like, this is really fucked up. People would be like, let's go see it.
19:13 Speaker 08 And look, he's not like, we, he doesn't do podcasts. He's not fucking around on social media. He's doesn't see, he's not TikToking it up like when you talk about Will Smith. Will Smith had a run as the world's biggest movie star and he's very adaptive. If there's something new out there to reach people and whatever, Will's gonna try it. Will's gonna make sure that he seems like the cool uncle. Like Tom wants to be the Obi-Wan Kenobi of the movie industry. He wants to show people the way things were in the past and like initiate everyone into why this old religion still matters. Like he doesn't care about anything else and there's a purity to that, that like has outlasted the fact that the fucking guy was really off putting
19:57 Speaker 08 in a real way for a long time. And we, you come back to him, he's the man again. I don't think he knows what else to do.
20:04 Sean Fennessey? I think that's part of it.
20:05 Speaker 06 Yeah.
20:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. I think that's definitely.
20:06 Speaker 06 The intereetu thing is gonna be so fascinating because that on and in and of itself, it'll be a litmus test of like, would Tom Cruise outside of Mission Impossible, outside of Maverick or Top Gun, can he sell a movie? What kind of movie is this gonna be? And does it require Tom Cruise to actually speak about the themes and ideas and the story and the direction and stuff in a way outside of like, I jumped off of this and hung on to that. Movies, that's like basically how they sell these Mission Impossibles. So if you're, if you're, I'll be very curious to see if he opens up or if he's like, there's a pathway back to him talking. He's also like, kind of a man out of time, like there is no reference points on Tom Cruise's persona or body.
20:49 Speaker 06 Like there's never like, he is not writing an op ed about Biden. Like he is not, uh, like wearing.
20:56 Speaker 08 Be amazing.
20:57 Amanda Dobbins? It's, it's hard for me to imagine him using a cellphone.
21:00 Speaker 06 Yeah.
21:00 Amanda Dobbins? And like, I know he has one, but like, does he have, does he have a smartphone, you know?
21:05 Speaker 06 Right.
21:05 Amanda Dobbins? Like he's, it's like, he's not Will Smith on Instagram or TikTok or whatever. Like he's, does he know what that?
21:10 Speaker 06 Like what kind of car does he actually drive? You know?
21:13 Amanda Dobbins? No, that's not how that's, it's happening.
21:15 Speaker 06 Oh, okay.
21:15 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
21:16 Sean Fennessey? If you tell me, he drove an Aston Martin. I mean, he's on a motorcycle. You know, like he flies helicopters, you know, like his, he is a man of action. He's not a man of looking at screens, you know? And that's just how he's defined himself in both movies. And I think in real life, like even the strange stories you hear kind of out of the sidelines of some of the Scientology stuff is always like. He forced a man to live in a garage to build him a motorcycle. You know, it's like, it's all kind of related to this bigger idea of like, I'm gonna go on a mission and I'm gonna entertain you with my mission. He's just singularly focused.
21:48 Speaker 07 I don't feel like he's the last movie star, though. Because I think Leo is definitely. I agree. Every time he makes a movie, people care about it. They know it's happening and if it's good, they'll go see it. And I, I think Shalhoub is getting there. Oh, look who's coming back to Shalhoub. Alright, we wanna work through it. Even if I wanna throw soda in his face for another South again.
22:10 Speaker 07 I think he's, I think it's hit the point now where if he's making a movie, people will notice that he made a movie and they'll probably go see it if it's okay or good.
22:18 Sean Fennessey? We forget how present Tom Cruise was in the public in the 90s. What Shalhoub is doing right now, courtside with two Kardashians.
22:27 Speaker 07 Jenners, but yeah.
22:28 Sean Fennessey? Jenners, excuse me. Um, thank you for clearing that up.
22:31 Speaker 07 Kendall was there?
22:32 Sean Fennessey? I know you're an expert on the issue.
22:33 Speaker 07 Yes, both. Oh, wow, okay.
22:34 Sean Fennessey? Look at go, Ron.
22:35 Speaker 07 No bad history there.
22:37 Sean Fennessey? But, and he was not that, that audacious and tabloid, but you know, he did fall in love with and marry Nicole Kidman on a film and was a huge tabloid figure in that very traditional way that movie stars kind of have to be to go to that final level of you are one of the 10 most famous people in the world. And he obviously is trying to navigate what it means to be the most famous person in the world without giving anything of yourself ever again. I don't know if that's ever been sustained, where he kinda just like turned the machine off 19 years ago and was like, you'll never hear anything about me as long as I live, but I insist on being in front of you forevermore.
23:14 Speaker 08 But he was very deliberate about it. Sue the tabloids, kind of ended a wave of just being able to say whatever you want about someone in that way. Which kind of then inspired some new media in terms of the way celebrities are covered and like the TMZ of it all and all of that kinda stuff. Um, and so, look, I do, I don't think, I think Leo is obviously a gigantic movie star. He's a, he's a, but I don't think Leo makes event movies in the same way that Tom Cruise makes them. I think Leo is the actor's movie star and Tom Cruise is the movie star's movie star. And so I think that's kind of what what separates like those.
23:55 Speaker 07 There's one other thing, though. Tom Cruise is unintentionally funny in many of his movies, and that's one of the many reasons we love him. He is a character within him playing Tom Cruise in whatever. There's the Tom Cruise character and then there's the character. Yeah. And like some of my favorite movies that he's done. It's just a one of a kind, only Cruise could be in this movie. Like when we did A Few Good Men. For rewatchables, it was like, he's just fucking hilarious in that movie. Mm hmm. Over and over again. There's nobody else who could have been as good in that movie as him. And he's a good actor, but it's also kind of enjoyable and kind of funny.
24:30 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. And if he's in a bad movie, his weirdness elevates the badness in a good way. And if he's in a good movie, he can lock in and make be the best part of a good movie.
24:39 Speaker 07 Right.
24:39 Sean Fennessey? Which is a very powerful skill.
24:40 Speaker 08 There's something in A Few Good Men, though, to where. He's acting. Tom Cruise acting with a capital A. But then Jack Nicholson is acting. And you're like, all right. Well, a boy's got some limitations.
24:54 Sean Fennessey? No, but that you know, my take on this scene is always that Cruise wins that scene.
24:58 Speaker 08 Really?
24:59 Sean Fennessey? Always.
24:59 Speaker 08 I completely disagree.
25:03 Speaker 06 The last scene?
25:04 Speaker 08 Yeah.
25:04 Speaker 06 That you can't handle the truth?
25:05 Speaker 08 I think I think.
25:06 Sean Fennessey? To me, that.
25:07 Speaker 06 God, these guys lose.
25:08 Speaker 08 You're talking to the wrong box.
25:10 Sean Fennessey? When it went bad. That's the best part of the movie to me, when he says, and the camera's slowly, he's moving to, anyway.
25:16 Speaker 06 Yeah.
25:16 Sean Fennessey? Um, I. I do think that he is not Daniel Day Lewis and he is not Marlon Brando. And no one ever really thought that he was. And it's proven by the fact that he's only got three Oscar nominations for acting. And he really never had a chance to win any of them.
25:29 Speaker 07 He got hosed in Jerry Maguire.
25:31 Sean Fennessey? For sure.
25:32 Speaker 07 There's no.
25:32 Sean Fennessey? Jeffrey Rush here, he's terrible.
25:34 Speaker 06 I think he also. He he let that boat sail 20 years ago, though. Like, I mean, it's so interesting, the last five years, his emergence out of the pandemic as like. The the sort of foundational piece of the theatrical experience.
25:50 Speaker 07 Whereas like, you know, ten, twelve years ago, he was making like Reacher movies and kind of like off-brand sci-fi.
25:58 Speaker 06 The Mummy?
25:59 Speaker 07 And trying to get franchises launched and watching them kind of explode on takeoff.
26:04 Sean Fennessey? Again, there are a couple of exceptions where I think people forget that, you know, he did make American Made. You might not like American Made.
26:12 Speaker 08 I like that movie.
26:13 Sean Fennessey? But that's a very different kind of a movie from what we're describing. He did make Lions for Lambs. Like, it's not that he didn't make any movies. Those were both real movies. They're both docudrama, or one's a docudrama, one's, you know, like a American political thriller. Like, those were, they weren't just The Mummy. The Mummy was to me a low. That's like the absolute basement of him being like, I need another Mission Impossible, and if I don't build one, I'm gonna run out of room to survive in Hollywood. And it went so sideways that like, we've kind of memory hold that movie.
26:41 Speaker 07 But that's the bummer is that he never just zagged. All the other great actors zagged. And even if the zag didn't work, they still tried it. And he was just like, I can do this. I hope he does. He's sixty-three.
26:56 Speaker 08 They will, I mean, sometimes it happens later for some, they will give him one. He will get a juicy role and everybody will be like, now, when he gets his little statue or, because I do think that's what's happened, is because Tom Cruise hasn't sought to be appreciated as a great actor, or as a transcendent actor, I think we're a little bit too hard on him. He's a much better actor than I think he's given credit for. I think.
27:25 Sean Fennessey? I think he's an amazing actor. And I think that, to the zag point, he kind of already did it. I mean, he goes Eyes Wide Shut, Magnolia Vanilla Sky. Can you, those are three of the most audacious studio movies.
27:37 Speaker 07 Yeah.
27:37 Sean Fennessey? Ever made. So, you know, at a certain point, it was sort of like, he felt like, yeah, yeah, he felt like he did his thing in that respect and then was just like, I need Safe Harbor.
27:46 Speaker 07 I was gonna wear the Cruise suit today, because I kind of have his hair in the movie.
27:49 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah, do the open shirt?
27:50 Speaker 07 Yeah, but I decided not to.
27:52 Speaker 06 Hey, homie, is that my briefcase?
27:54 Sean Fennessey? Did you consider going shirtless for this episode, the way the crews often go shirtless in films?
27:59 Speaker 06 In honor of Last Samurai? Uh, no, I did not.
28:02 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
28:02 Speaker 06 Yeah.
28:03 Sean Fennessey? I didn't either. Uh, you want to draft? What do you want to do?
28:05 Speaker 07 I've never seen Last Samurai.
28:08 Sean Fennessey? Interesting.
28:08 Speaker 07 Yeah, that's two cruise movies I've never seen, Samurai and Mummy.
28:13 Speaker 06 Okay, okay.
28:14 Speaker 07 Just like, I was just out.
28:15 Sean Fennessey? You want to?
28:16 Speaker 07 I heard Samurai wasn't bad, though.
28:18 Sean Fennessey? It's okay.
28:19 Speaker 07 It's like, it's like watchable, right?
28:21 Speaker 06 Comparatively, yeah, it's fine.
28:22 Speaker 07 It's cool.
28:24 Speaker 06 It's like, got totally, it's got good action scenes and... Goes there for one summer and becomes the greatest Samurai in the whole city.
28:29 Sean Fennessey? Sure.
28:29 Speaker 07 I mean...
28:31 Sean Fennessey? The framing of the story is all questionable.
28:33 Speaker 07 It's not like I'm like a, you know, discerning movie watcher. Like, I watched Masquerade with Rob Lowe and Kim Cattrall last night on Tubi. It's not like...
28:43 Speaker 06 You're on Tubi?
28:45 Sean Fennessey? You were scouting? That's how you wind down? Were you scouting Masquerade?
28:47 Speaker 07 My wife, my wife loves Masquerade.
28:49 Speaker 06 Yeah.
28:50 Sean Fennessey? Carrie rules. Carrie's the best.
28:52 Speaker 07 Written by Dick Wolf.
28:54 Sean Fennessey? The faraway look in his eyes, though, where he's like, I can't believe I have to prepare a Masquerade rewatch.
28:58 Speaker 07 No, it's not a rewatch.
28:59 Speaker 06 Cause it's not crazy eighties yet.
29:01 Speaker 07 Nah.
29:03 Sean Fennessey? Okay, we should draft, because we have a lot of drafting to do. Okay. Um, before we do that, I just wanted to say he has 21 films that have made at least $100 million. I would venture to guess that's the most of anyone will ever do a draft for.
29:14 Speaker 06 So the blockbuster, uh, threshold is what?
29:17 Sean Fennessey? 100 million.
29:18 Speaker 06 Okay.
29:18 Sean Fennessey? So there are 21 movies that are eligible in that category. Shall I go through the rest of the categories before we set the draft order? Absolutely. Okay, there's eight of them. Like I said, eighties, any film released in the 1980s. Nineties, any film released in the 1990s. Twenty-first century, so any movie released in this century is eligible. Oscar nominee, the point of this is not Tom Cruise's nominations, but any film he's been a part of that has received at least one Oscar nomination. Mission Impossible, you must draft one of the seven eligible Mission Impossible films.
29:48 Speaker 06 Interesting.
29:49 Sean Fennessey? We're not making Final Reckoning eligible here today. And then here are the last three categories. Tom Cruise does a sports thing. Tom Cruise famed for his athletic or not so athletic pursuits in his movies. There are many such examples of him doing something.
30:06 Amanda Dobbins? Just a point of order here. It's it's him doing a sports thing in a movie, not a sports thing, not a sports movie.
30:13 Sean Fennessey? Not a sports movie, though he is doing sports things in sports movies.
30:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
30:18 Sean Fennessey? But this could be, and we'll go through the myriad examples. I'm sure it's Bill who was, it made this clear to me in 1999, reading his column. And I was like, boy, Tom Cruise sure does love to do X, Y, or Z. Like, you were always pointing out, like, when he's.
30:31 Speaker 07 It's him and Brandon Walsh, too, the great athletes.
30:33 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
30:33 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, of course.
30:34 Sean Fennessey? Um, and then Blockbuster, of course, Hundred Million Dollar Threshold, and Wild Card. Wild Card will be interesting because you'll probably be pulling from the dregs. We'll be getting down to the bottom tier of Cruise movies.
30:43 Speaker 07 Jerry Maguire a sports thing or not a sports thing?
30:46 Speaker 08 He doesn't do a sports thing in the movie.
30:50 Amanda Dobbins? Here's a question.
30:50 Sean Fennessey? He runs.
30:51 Amanda Dobbins? Is running really fast?
30:52 Speaker 08 Well, if running's in there, then we can pick it.
30:54 Sean Fennessey? Running's in there. I think we should flesh this out. Is is running eligible? Well, is running more athletic than billiards? That's not the, that's not the question. Okay. That, like, it's not about what's more athletic. It's, is it a sports thing? Is is pool a sport? Yes.
31:10 Speaker 08 Yes.
31:10 Sean Fennessey? Billiards is a sport.
31:11 Speaker 08 A sport, more like a game.
31:13 Sean Fennessey? Is dance a sport?
31:14 Speaker 08 Dance is a sport.
31:15 Amanda Dobbins? It's athletic, yeah.
31:17 Sean Fennessey? But is it a sport?
31:18 Speaker 08 Does Tom Cruise have to do the thing? Or does his character have to do the thing in the movie?
31:23 Sean Fennessey? Meaning, is there a stunt double?
31:24 Speaker 08 Meaning.
31:25 Sean Fennessey? No, is there sports happening in the movie?
31:26 Speaker 08 No, no, no. There's one movie where he does a thing, and I know it's not him who did it, but he, his character's doing a sport.
31:32 Sean Fennessey? His character, I would say. Uh.
31:34 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm, no, it should be him.
31:36 Sean Fennessey? I disagree.
31:36 Amanda Dobbins? It should be him.
31:37 Speaker 08 Well, so it has to be, okay, so we gotta let this, there's one movie that I'm thinking about where he does a thing.
31:41 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yeah.
31:42 Speaker 08 And I know.
31:42 Sean Fennessey? I know what you're thinking of.
31:43 Speaker 08 I know he didn't do the thing. It's really.
31:45 Sean Fennessey? I want that one to be eligible, though.
31:46 Speaker 08 It's one of the fucking craziest things.
31:48 Speaker 07 The stand-in? I know what you're talking about, the sidewalk?
31:52 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
31:53 Speaker 08 I think that should be eligible. Okay. That's okay.
31:55 Sean Fennessey? Even though you're right, he didn't do that.
31:57 Speaker 08 He didn't do it, and it's just a funny thing to have that character do in that movie. I'm like, what the fuck?
32:02 Amanda Dobbins? But it's, yeah, okay, now I know too.
32:04 Sean Fennessey? All right. Ironically, Jerry Maguire is not eligible for that category.
32:07 Speaker 07 So we're not, we're not drafting girlfriends as the next category?
32:10 Sean Fennessey? No, but if you'd like to continue naming them, feel free.
32:12 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
32:13 Speaker 07 Girlfriends would be fun. I'd probably lock down Katie Holmes early. I thought she was great.
32:17 Amanda Dobbins? I think that's more or less what happened.
32:20 Speaker 07 Really thought that was an unbelievable pull by Cruz.
32:23 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
32:26 Speaker 07 Smoking hot at the time.
32:28 Amanda Dobbins? She still looks great.
32:30 Speaker 06 She has a great.
32:30 Amanda Dobbins? You know she's like a fashion icon now?
32:33 Speaker 07 She's doing the best for almost 30 years.
32:35 Speaker 08 Okay, so this is gonna be, this is super saggy, but.
32:38 Speaker 06 Saggy?
32:39 Speaker 08 As in.
32:39 Speaker 06 Massage initiative.
32:40 Speaker 08 Saggy.
32:41 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, great.
32:42 Speaker 07 Saggy?
32:42 Speaker 08 Saggy. We call it saggy on The Midnight Boys. We're getting a little saggy. So, it is saggy.
32:49 Sean Fennessey? It's not The Midnight Girls, you know?
32:50 Speaker 08 It's true. So of all of them, you're doing young Katie Holmes now, we're talking Mimi Rogers in the 80s, which I had to put some of the kids around.
33:00 Speaker 07 She would be a great category.
33:01 Speaker 08 I'm talking like Anna Darn, Penelope Cruz.
33:03 Amanda Dobbins? It's Penelope Cruz for me.
33:05 Speaker 08 Come on.
33:05 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, I need her.
33:06 Speaker 08 Shout out to Katie Holmes.
33:07 Amanda Dobbins? I need her to outlive him because that's the book.
33:10 Speaker 06 What about fake, I got photographed in the back of a car with somebody, but the relationship never blossomed?
33:15 Amanda Dobbins? That's Anandharma. That's mine.
33:16 Speaker 07 Kidman in 1990 was lights out.
33:18 Speaker 06 What?
33:18 Speaker 07 Kidman in 1990 was lights out.
33:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, it's true.
33:21 Speaker 08 Nuts.
33:21 Speaker 07 Cruz is, I'm telling you.
33:23 Amanda Dobbins? Penelope Cruz is.
33:23 Speaker 08 Unbelievable.
33:24 Speaker 06 She's not really my type. Kidman in the 90s.
33:26 Sean Fennessey? Not your type?
33:26 Speaker 06 Yeah.
33:27 Sean Fennessey? In that she's.
33:28 Amanda Dobbins? She's nervy, but now blonde.
33:29 Speaker 06 Yeah, and it's something about her Australian accent is just unapproachable to me.
33:33 Speaker 07 I'm ready to dice the Daniels.
33:36 Speaker 07 We ready?
33:37 Sean Fennessey? We're ready. Uh, we need to set the draft order. Bobby Wagner, help us set it.
33:41 Speaker 07 Oh, I'm sure I'll get screwed again.
33:43 Speaker 10 Never been a more appropriate time for the Top Gun hat.
33:45 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
33:45 Sean Fennessey? Let's go.
33:46 Speaker 10 Let's go. TC, my beloved. Everybody has three tiles in here for their names, so.
33:55 Speaker 10 Going first to Sean. Please don't kill me.
33:57 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
33:57 Speaker 07 Of course.
33:58 Amanda Dobbins? You know, I don't.
33:59 Speaker 07 It just never fails.
33:59 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know.
34:00 Sean Fennessey? I don't even know what the choice is.
34:01 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know if.
34:02 Sean Fennessey? One is not a good spot.
34:03 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know if you, if you want number one here. Do you want number one? You could trade, right?
34:07 Speaker 07 I just think it's funny.
34:09 Speaker 10 Amanda going second. Wow.
34:11 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, now this is a little sus.
34:12 Sean Fennessey? This is in.
34:13 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
34:14 Speaker 07 Can't believe it.
34:15 Sean Fennessey? I believe Bob said before we recorded, no matter what happens, Bill will say I rigged this.
34:19 Speaker 07 Oh, the two hosts of the show getting the first two picks. What's weird about that?
34:23 Sean Fennessey? Is there an overall consensus number one? It's worth discussing.
34:27 Speaker 06 It's more category stuff.
34:29 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
34:29 Speaker 07 It's.
34:31 Speaker 10 Van going third.
34:32 Speaker 07 Yeah.
34:32 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
34:33 Speaker 07 You should have locked me down for fifth when we started.
34:36 Sean Fennessey? I'm sorry.
34:37 Speaker 10 If I was gonna rig it, why would I rig it for Sean every time? Chris going fourth.
34:42 Speaker 08 Oh, dude's last.
34:43 Sean Fennessey? Wow. I think you're in an amazing spot. You're on the turn.
34:47 Amanda Dobbins? That's special.
34:48 Speaker 08 Trying to convince him he's last.
34:50 Sean Fennessey? But don't you think it's, don't you think it's good to have two shots at it? Cause now I'm kinda screwed here. I'm getting one pick and then I gotta wait 10 picks.
34:57 Speaker 08 I'm only gonna take the movies that I really have to have, so I'm glad I'm third.
35:01 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
35:02 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
35:02 Speaker 08 Yeah.
35:03 Sean Fennessey? I genuinely did not plan for this and have no idea what I'm doing.
35:06 Speaker 06 There is not a, there's not a.
35:08 Amanda Dobbins? I don't think there is a consensus.
35:09 Speaker 06 So I think you should just.
35:10 Amanda Dobbins? I still am like really nervous because I, whatever you're gonna, you're gonna do is gonna make me mad, but.
35:15 Speaker 06 If you mention Lions for Lambs one more time, you have to pick it.
35:18 Sean Fennessey? Maybe I will. Have you seen it?
35:20 Speaker 06 Uh, yeah.
35:21 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
35:21 Speaker 06 Yeah. More of a Valkyrie guy.
35:23 Speaker 08 Oh, shit. Forgot about that one.
35:26 Speaker 06 Boy, I love that joke right there.
35:27 Speaker 07 I've had Cruz.
35:29 Sean Fennessey? And let it dangle for you. Cause he just believed what those guys were up to was right, but they were wearing that patch on their uniform and you thought that that was important.
35:37 Speaker 06 Uh.
35:38 Sean Fennessey? You guys seen Valkyrie?
35:39 Amanda Dobbins? There you go. Actually, I have. So it's up to me. I've got a couple that, well, we'll see.
35:47 Sean Fennessey? I honestly have no idea what to do.
35:48 Amanda Dobbins? I might wind up just being like, I'm drafting this because I've seen that territory, but that's okay.
35:53 Speaker 07 I love how Sean probably watched all 46 Cruz movies over the course of four days. You know what? And then had no idea what to do with the first pick.
35:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
35:59 Sean Fennessey? I had a whole plan to watch Endless Love, but then I had to watch a movie for the rewatchables this week, so I couldn't watch it. You messed with my plan.
36:06 Speaker 07 Um, I forgot he was in that.
36:11 Sean Fennessey? You know, the category that I think is actually thinnest out of all of these.
36:16 Speaker 06 Wait, did you actually say what the categories are?
36:18 Speaker 07 Yeah.
36:18 Speaker 06 Okay.
36:18 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Are you okay?
36:20 Speaker 06 I'm fine.
36:20 Sean Fennessey? Head injury or?
36:21 Speaker 06 Sure, yeah.
36:21 Sean Fennessey? We did a whole thing about it.
36:22 Speaker 07 Go back to hating Australians. I'm gonna try and pick.
36:24 Sean Fennessey? This is not off the pipe with Brian Barrett, Chris. This is the big picture. Uh, I think 90s is the weakest category.
36:29 Speaker 07 Yep.
36:30 Sean Fennessey? And there are, of course, I would say about five or six movies that are key, but all of those movies fit in other categories too. So I'm gonna start with 90s.
36:38 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
36:41 Amanda Dobbins? Do it.
36:42 Sean Fennessey? And I'm gonna take A Few Good Men.
36:43 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, no!
36:45 Speaker 07 First.
36:45 Amanda Dobbins? God damn it!
36:47 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
36:48 Speaker 07 Alright. Interesting.
36:49 Sean Fennessey? Does a variety of things, takes a variety of categories off the board.
36:52 Speaker 07 Yeah.
36:52 Sean Fennessey? It's a movie that, it's a five-star classic for me. It's a legendary movie on this show, on the rewatchables. Cruise is-
36:58 Amanda Dobbins? I really thought I was gonna get it.
37:00 Sean Fennessey? Phenomenal in this movie. You really should have taken it and does a sport for the softball practice.
37:04 Amanda Dobbins? That's what, I was gonna do it and does a sport.
37:06 Sean Fennessey? In your first pick?
37:07 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
37:07 Sean Fennessey? Oh, wow. See, to me, that's a more fun category. You need to have a banger in the top three. That's my, that's my mentality, at least, right now.
37:13 Speaker 07 Yeah.
37:14 Sean Fennessey? Um, so, yeah, A Few Good Men. What can you say? Rob Reiner, one of our great auteurs. At the tail end of a legendary run here.
37:22 Speaker 07 Great run.
37:22 Sean Fennessey? In the, in the late 80s and early 90s.
37:24 Speaker 07 Six rewatchable movies so far for him.
37:25 Sean Fennessey? Is that what he has?
37:26 Speaker 07 Might not be a seven.
37:27 Amanda Dobbins? Reiner?
37:27 Sean Fennessey? Good Men?
37:27 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
37:28 Speaker 07 Yeah.
37:28 Sean Fennessey? What are the others?
37:29 Speaker 07 Misery.
37:30 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, When Harry Met Sally?
37:31 Sean Fennessey? Princess Bride.
37:31 Speaker 07 Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's cooking.
37:33 Sean Fennessey? Spinal Tap?
37:34 Amanda Dobbins? American President.
37:35 Speaker 07 American President.
37:35 Amanda Dobbins? My guys, right here.
37:36 Speaker 07 Haven't done Spinal Tap or Sure Thing yet, cause Sure Thing's not on any platform, which makes me mad. Have you guys done American President on rewatchables?
37:44 Amanda Dobbins? You did it with us. You did, yeah.
37:48 Amanda Dobbins? It's okay.
37:49 Speaker 07 It was during the COVID years.
37:50 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
37:50 Speaker 07 Yeah. The COVID stuff, man. I don't remember it either. Yeah.
37:54 Sean Fennessey? Okay, I've taken, in 90s, A Few Good Men. Amanda.
37:57 Amanda Dobbins? Well, now I'm incredibly stressed out. Um, I guess
38:03 Amanda Dobbins? what I need to do here,
38:07 Amanda Dobbins? I, I, I was gonna do A Few Good Men and I thought, as soon as you said 90s, you were gonna go a different way and it was gonna work out for me. And I did have a plan, which was to get A Few Good Men as soon as possible. So now I am definitely filibustering.
38:20 Speaker 07 The two hosts of the show.
38:21 Amanda Dobbins? You know what? You know what? I'm stressed out.
38:25 Speaker 07 First two picks of the draft.
38:26 Speaker 08 Yeah.
38:27 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
38:29 Amanda Dobbins? I was ready for the first pick, but two, when Sean screwed me over.
38:33 Speaker 07 You should have arranged with Bobby. Sean arranged with him and you forgot to.
38:37 Amanda Dobbins? I know. Okay. Let's see.
38:40 Sean Fennessey? It's the shades of, uh, do the Spurs really need Cooper Flag if they already have Wemby going on here? You know?
38:47 Amanda Dobbins? All right. So.
38:49 Speaker 07 I know what I think you're gonna do.
38:50 Amanda Dobbins? I don't, I, should I go with my heart? Should I go with my?
38:55 Sean Fennessey? Legend?
38:56 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, yeah, that's it. How'd you guys know?
38:58 Sean Fennessey? Legend's a good pick.
39:00 Sean Fennessey? Can I tell you something? I'll filibuster.
39:02 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, do it.
39:04 Sean Fennessey? Mia Sarah appears in a new movie that's coming out, speaking of legend.
39:08 Speaker 07 Still in love with her.
39:08 Sean Fennessey? A legend in her time. And honestly, she's like a beautiful 60-year-old woman, just stunning. And I hadn't seen, I probably hadn't seen her in a movie in 30 years, but she's in a movie called The Life of Chuck, coming out in June.
39:20 Speaker 07 I bet she looks great.
39:21 Speaker 08 Like a comet. Showed up beautiful, and then what happened to Mia Sarah?
39:25 Speaker 07 Outrageous.
39:26 Speaker 06 So that's how they do things in that family?
39:30 Sean Fennessey? But what other movies was she in? She was in Ferris Bueller and in Legend, and I can't even name another Mia Sarah movie.
39:35 Speaker 07 There's some people from the 80s that just came and went and didn't understand it.
39:38 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yeah. Phoebe Cates.
39:40 Amanda Dobbins? All right, I'm going with my heart and I'm going with the map that I laid out yesterday, even though I don't know if this makes categorical sense anymore.
39:49 Amanda Dobbins? I'm, I'll just do it in Blockbuster Top Gun Maverick.
39:51 Speaker 08 Okay, okay. Makes a lot of sense.
39:53 Amanda Dobbins? It's, I mean.
39:54 Speaker 08 People like that movie.
39:54 Amanda Dobbins? I, I, I love that movie. Um, it's very important in my household. Um, I have seen it probably at this point more than another movie on this list.
40:03 Speaker 07 Oh, Bobby's updating us.
40:04 Amanda Dobbins? Um, as, as Spielberg said, it saved movies.
40:08 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
40:09 Amanda Dobbins? Um, I think it is better than Top Gun. I mean, I have real affection for Top Gun, but you know.
40:14 Sean Fennessey? I agree with you about that.
40:15 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, emotionally and.
40:16 Speaker 07 Hot bedroom scenes.
40:18 Amanda Dobbins? Um, we do often, so my three year old loves this, but he turns it off as soon as we get to the bed scene. He's like, I'm done. I want more planes.
40:24 Speaker 07 It's my favorite. We've talked about this. My favorite of all the cruise romantic scenes. They're just laughing hysterically in bed for no reason.
40:32 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
40:33 Speaker 07 Something hilarious has just happened. I don't know what could have happened. He's got no shirt on and they're both just laughing.
40:39 Speaker 06 Compared to the sex scenes in Top Gun, the first one, it's like, you take a different species of human beings.
40:44 Speaker 07 Yeah.
40:45 Speaker 06 Where like Kelly McGillis is like eating his face in the first one and this one, he's like.
40:51 Amanda Dobbins? The original one also like has some issues.
40:53 Speaker 06 Sure.
40:55 Amanda Dobbins? Okay. I don't know if I feel at peace, but that's my pick.
40:58 Speaker 06 It's a strong pick.
40:59 Amanda Dobbins? Thank you.
41:00 Speaker 06 You're up Ben.
41:03 Speaker 08 Cool movies, movies that I think are cool.
41:05 Sean Fennessey? Uh huh.
41:06 Speaker 08 I'm wondering, what do you guys think my first pick is gonna be? Who can guess? I already knew what it was. It didn't matter what, who went, who got what. I knew that this movie would be available and I would draft it first. Coolest he's ever been in a movie.
41:19 Sean Fennessey? To me, it's Collateral.
41:20 Speaker 08 That's the movie.
41:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
41:21 Speaker 06 You fucking asshole.
41:22 Speaker 08 That's my.
41:23 Speaker 07 Two thousands?
41:24 Speaker 08 That's, that's in two thousands, I'm picking Collateral.
41:27 Sean Fennessey? Collateral.
41:27 Speaker 08 Could have taken it in Oscar.
41:28 Sean Fennessey? Phenomenal.
41:29 Speaker 08 Could have taken it in Oscar, but the coolest he's ever been in a movie to where I looked at him and I was like, this is a badass mother.
41:39 Speaker 06 So it's 21st century, that pick?
41:41 Speaker 08 Well, yeah, 21st.
41:42 Sean Fennessey? 21st century.
41:43 Speaker 08 So I'm taking, I'm taking Collateral, yeah.
41:46 Sean Fennessey? Yo, homie. Is that my briefcase?
41:50 Speaker 08 Poor Jamie Foxx.
41:52 Sean Fennessey? Jamie Foxx nominated for, uh, best supporting actor in that movie, not Tom Cruise.
41:58 Speaker 08 Two nominations that year for Jamie.
41:59 Sean Fennessey? Make it make sense.
42:00 Speaker 08 Yeah.
42:00 Sean Fennessey? Make it make sense.
42:01 Speaker 07 Some good ruffalo.
42:03 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm. Peter Berg.
42:04 Speaker 07 Decent Peter Berg.
42:05 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
42:07 Speaker 07 The best scene is the jazz club scene.
42:09 Sean Fennessey? Is the what?
42:10 Speaker 07 The jazz club scene with that guy, the guy from the Ali movie. What's that guy's name?
42:14 Speaker 08 Um, I forget. The, uh, the asking about.
42:16 Speaker 07 He played Herbert Muhammad in the Ali movie.
42:18 Speaker 08 Yeah, he's a veteran character. I try to forget his name right now, but.
42:21 Speaker 06 His face drops.
42:23 Sean Fennessey? Has Tom Cruise ever heard jazz music in his life?
42:27 Speaker 07 During that scene?
42:28 Sean Fennessey? That was dubbed in, that was 80 yard enough. I honestly, I, the idea of Tom Cruise listening to jazz is almost as difficult to imagine as him having sex with Jennifer Connelly. Like, it is really, really hard to believe that he is a jazz aficionado.
42:41 Speaker 07 Best movie that ever used the LA subway system?
42:44 Amanda Dobbins? I can't think of another movie that used the LA subway.
42:48 Speaker 07 Oh, yeah.
42:49 Speaker 06 I feel like this is more human.
42:51 Speaker 08 Yeah, this is more human.
42:52 Speaker 06 Of Los Angeles subway system.
42:54 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Uh, the best, I think, evocation of what it's like when you're walking around LA and a coyote shows up and you're like, what the fuck? Like, we're in the middle of a thoroughfare. Like, why is there a coyote here? That is a real thing that happens.
43:04 Speaker 08 Like, Michael Mann, who's made, like, all of these quintessential LA movies, just a super duper LA movie.
43:12 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
43:13 Speaker 08 Maybe the most LA movie.
43:15 Sean Fennessey? Not, not the most accurate depiction of how to get across town.
43:19 Amanda Dobbins? Right.
43:19 Speaker 07 Probably not. Now you're just trying to rob me to see our.
43:22 Sean Fennessey? You know.
43:23 Speaker 07 It's a passion point of his.
43:24 Sean Fennessey? Drive on the 110.
43:26 Speaker 08 LA is like a character in the movie.
43:30 Amanda Dobbins? But it did give us that bit, you know? So that's, that's important.
43:34 Speaker 07 Thousand Oaks to.
43:37 Speaker 07 San Clorito, five minutes.
43:41 Sean Fennessey? Okay, CR, you're up, number four.
43:44 Speaker 06 Okay.
43:45 Sean Fennessey? Collateral off the table in 21st century.
43:46 Speaker 08 21st century.
43:48 Speaker 06 I'm gonna take.
43:52 Speaker 06 The Furman Oscar.
43:53 Speaker 08 Hmm, got you.
43:54 Speaker 06 Um, okay.
43:55 Amanda Dobbins? That was at the top of my Oscar list, too.
43:57 Speaker 06 Yeah, I mean.
43:58 Amanda Dobbins? So that was the, that was the category that Ben was talking, movie that Ben was talking about, the flip.
44:04 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
44:04 Speaker 06 I was thinking about doing it in sports and I, then I just was like, I don't want to get into a seven-minute conversation about whether Tom Cruise knows gymnastics or not. So I think.
44:13 Amanda Dobbins? He has the build.
44:14 Speaker 06 I think.
44:15 Sean Fennessey? He does.
44:15 Speaker 06 He started the run.
44:17 Amanda Dobbins? Low center of gravity.
44:17 Speaker 06 And maybe did the first one before the cutaway. Okay.
44:22 Sean Fennessey? Backhand Spring for Cruise? I don't think so.
44:24 Speaker 06 Uh, fantastic 90s legal thriller based on a John Grisham bestseller. Obviously incredible ensemble and in some ways Cruise is the least important character. Like a least important performance in this film because it's got Brimley.
44:36 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm.
44:37 Speaker 06 And it's got Hackman, it's got Hunter and it's got David Strater. Yeah, like so.
44:42 Amanda Dobbins? Do the heartbreak. Do it, do it.
44:44 Speaker 06 What did she find, bitch?
44:46 Sean Fennessey? Heartbreak.
44:49 Sean Fennessey? What's he saying? He's like, she's literally sort of a red book.
44:51 Speaker 06 Yeah, he also talks about oral sex, which I don't do that part.
44:55 Sean Fennessey? You don't?
44:56 Speaker 06 No, like when I do the bit.
44:58 Sean Fennessey? Well, he's like all kinds of sexual activities.
45:01 Speaker 06 Oral and such, yeah.
45:04 Speaker 06 But Cruise is fantastic. He's in most of this, every scene of this film. And is a really, really like convincing 70s Redford kind of paranoid thriller performance. So I love it. It's, I've probably watched.
45:18 Speaker 07 Normally after we do rewatchables on a movie, I don't watch it as much. And I still watch The Firm all the time.
45:24 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah.
45:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
45:25 Speaker 07 And the, the music's really good and I just think the part when he realizes he has to escape. And he goes in that weird train that goes back and forth and the albino guy is chasing Brimley. And they end up in that thing and he's like beating Brimley to death with the suitcase. Like that 15 minutes is incredible.
45:44 Speaker 06 And speaking of like, Tom Cruise doesn't know he's being funny.
45:47 Speaker 07 Yeah.
45:48 Speaker 06 When he goes to David Strater in prison, he's like, what if you, I went to Harvard and I wound up in the same place you are. David Strater's like, yeah, man. That would be weird. What's going on?
46:01 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. I also, that's the birthplace of sexy sleazy Gene Hackman.
46:07 Speaker 06 Oh, yeah.
46:07 Sean Fennessey? Going down to the.
46:08 Amanda Dobbins? Cayman Islands.
46:09 Speaker 08 Going down to the.
46:10 Amanda Dobbins? No one, no one has ever seen a Gene Triplehorn yet also. He's my number one icon of, I mean, it's really, she did, she's not on the Tom Cruise list that we know of.
46:19 Speaker 06 Gene Triplehorn?
46:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
46:20 Speaker 08 Did he date her?
46:21 Amanda Dobbins? No, but that's a missed opportunity.
46:24 Speaker 07 Well, he was with Kidman at the time.
46:26 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, that's right. Still.
46:28 Speaker 08 Triplehorn had.
46:28 Speaker 07 Very happily married.
46:30 Speaker 08 Like underrated in Basic Instinct.
46:32 Speaker 06 Sure she is.
46:32 Speaker 08 I was a Triplehorn guy.
46:33 Amanda Dobbins? She's underrated.
46:34 Speaker 08 Yeah.
46:35 Speaker 06 Simmons?
46:35 Sean Fennessey? What do you, what did you like about her in Basic Instinct?
46:37 Speaker 08 It was the. Sharon was giving it all to you, but there was something behind the eyes with Triple.
46:43 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, for sure, behind the eyes. Um, Bill Simmons, you've got two picks.
46:47 Speaker 07 All right, I'm gonna do first sports thing, I'm doing Top Gun.
46:51 Sean Fennessey? Okay, volleyball.
46:52 Amanda Dobbins? Sure, there we go.
46:54 Speaker 07 Incredible volleyball scene, uh, homoerotic in the best ways.
46:58 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
46:59 Speaker 07 Uh, what was the song? Playing, playing with the boys. Whatever that song was.
47:06 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, because my, we were listening to the soundtrack.
47:08 Speaker 08 What would be like if it was homoerotic in the worst way? Like what would be?
47:11 Speaker 07 Oh, I just am saying it was in the best way.
47:13 Speaker 08 Okay.
47:13 Speaker 07 Yeah.
47:14 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
47:14 Speaker 07 Um, I don't know what the worst way would be.
47:16 Speaker 06 Guys oiled up, playing in jeans, sand in their joints.
47:19 Sean Fennessey? Joyful.
47:20 Speaker 06 Yeah.
47:20 Speaker 07 And then he checks his watch and he just ends the game.
47:23 Speaker 06 Yeah.
47:24 Speaker 08 He has to go.
47:24 Speaker 06 And then he goes to Kelly McGillis's house and he's like, I need to take a shower.
47:28 Speaker 08 So, wha- wha- wha- okay, I always forget this guy's.
47:32 Speaker 07 It's like, is the game over?
47:33 Sean Fennessey? I forgot it was that.
47:35 Speaker 07 He checks his watch and he's just out.
47:37 Speaker 06 Yeah.
47:37 Speaker 07 Goose is like, dude.
47:38 Speaker 08 Wha- wha- what's?
47:39 Speaker 06 Set four.
47:40 Speaker 08 What's the, the hunky guy that was in, um?
47:44 Speaker 06 Rick Rossovich.
47:45 Speaker 08 Rossovich, he was in the, uh.
47:47 Sean Fennessey? My guy Rick Rossovich?
47:48 Speaker 08 Rick Rossovich, he was in the Cyrano de Brusserac remake with.
47:52 Sean Fennessey? Roxanne.
47:52 Speaker 08 Roxanne.
47:53 Speaker 06 He's also in the Jessica McClure TV movie, yeah.
47:55 Speaker 08 Roxanne.
47:56 Speaker 07 And then, uh, I'm gonna go Jerry Maguire for nineties.
47:58 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
47:58 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
47:59 Sean Fennessey? I think that's a good bill. That's the right pick. Good, Bill, strong.
48:02 Speaker 07 Thanks.
48:03 Sean Fennessey? Strong DS.
48:03 Speaker 08 Top Gun Jerry Maguire.
48:05 Speaker 07 But I'm not picking it again forever.
48:06 Speaker 08 Is the Top Gun scene, is that, does that, is that sensual to women? Is that sexual? Do you, do they look hot?
48:14 Speaker 07 My wife likes slatter.
48:16 Amanda Dobbins? So I saw it at a young age, like it's, I, I saw it around the same time I saw Ghost and, you know, and which I remember.
48:26 Speaker 07 Pottery.
48:26 Amanda Dobbins? The pottery scene, but it's just like, something's going on here, you know? And it's like, I'm six or seven and I'm just like, what is this? Never seen it before. What's going on between these people?
48:37 Speaker 08 Gotcha.
48:37 Amanda Dobbins? Is that really what it looks like when someone takes their shirt off? You know, like, so, so yes, in some way.
48:45 Speaker 07 Much more innocent than us.
48:46 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
48:46 Speaker 08 Yeah.
48:47 Speaker 07 I saw the deep in the theater with my mom, Jacqueline Basset. Scooba diving in a white t-shirt and I was six. I'm like, yeah.
48:54 Sean Fennessey? Did I tell you I just watched it for the first time last week?
48:57 Speaker 07 Older someday.
48:59 Sean Fennessey? Did I tell you that I watched it for the first time?
49:00 Speaker 07 The deep.
49:00 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, last week. It was okay.
49:03 Speaker 07 No, it's scary, though. The chicken voodoo blood scene is scary.
49:08 Sean Fennessey? Spent on, um, who is it? Is it Louis Gossett Jr.'s like weird Haitian?
49:14 Speaker 07 Yeah.
49:14 Sean Fennessey? Rare glass dealer who's also a drug dealer?
49:17 Speaker 07 Yeah.
49:17 Sean Fennessey? Anyway, uh, the Jacqueline Bissette thing, the first, like, literally the first 15 minutes of her in a sheer top scuba diving. Easily the most illogical thing I've ever seen in a movie. Why is she wearing that outfit?
49:28 Speaker 07 How to do it in 1977.
49:30 Sean Fennessey? She looks great.
49:30 Speaker 07 No reason.
49:31 Sean Fennessey? Okay, we're back to.
49:33 Speaker 07 Wait, can I say one thing on McGuire?
49:35 Sean Fennessey? Of course.
49:35 Speaker 07 I didn't talk about it long enough. I think it's the best Tom Cruise performance in any movie. Other than one other movie that will get drafted and when it gets drafted, I'll say.
49:42 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
49:43 Speaker 07 Um, but I, I just think it was peak of, peak of Tom Cruise powers. A director that really understood him, knew how to write for him. Actors and toys for him to play with that he really bounced off in the right ways. Like not even Zellweger as much as Bonnie Hunt.
49:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
49:59 Speaker 07 Nicky Cuba, every scene with him in Cuba is incredible. Uh, that movie is eternal.
50:05 Amanda Dobbins? It's a perfect. Help me help you.
50:08 Sean Fennessey? Best.
50:08 Speaker 07 It's in the running for best sports movie of the last 30 years.
50:11 Speaker 08 I think so. Also, it's a, it's like, I didn't. It was a movie that like when I saw it, I was, I didn't relate to it at all. There was like nothing I, but emotionally it just drug everything out of me. There's nobody that I know who's seen that film that doesn't connect to it. It just makes sense. It's too relatable.
50:29 Sean Fennessey? How old is Jerry Maguire in the movie?
50:33 Speaker 07 I'm gonna say late, late 30s.
50:34 Speaker 08 35, 36, something like that.
50:35 Amanda Dobbins? 35. Can we talk about that sex scene for a minute? Oh, the Kelly Preston? Yeah, the Kelly Preston. I mean, it's memorable because I saw it sitting next to my mother and I was like, I don't really want to be here for this right now in this way. Yeah, but you know, I guess it's one of the more, he's not really doing any of the work, like literally, but also.
50:54 Sean Fennessey? She's, she's very special.
50:55 Amanda Dobbins? Yes, she's, she's making it happen.
50:57 Speaker 07 Another 80s icon.
50:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
50:59 Speaker 08 Twins, the experts.
51:03 Speaker 06 Are you dorking? Oh, yeah. In Tom Cruise does a sports thing. Yes. I'm gonna take Color of Money.
51:11 Speaker 08 Wow.
51:12 Speaker 06 Had to be. Yeah. This had to be yours. Was running out of sports things and also this is kind of maybe my favorite Tom Cruise movie, even though it is a porn movie.
51:21 Speaker 08 Is this the only time he ever played a twerp?
51:24 Speaker 06 Uh, that's debatable. I think, I think a lot of people would be like, there's twerpeness in, in many of his films. He's kind of a twerp in Rain Man, you know?
51:31 Speaker 08 So twerp in Risky Business.
51:33 Speaker 06 Sure.
51:33 Speaker 08 Little twerp.
51:34 Amanda Dobbins? He's really annoying in Taps.
51:35 Speaker 08 He, oh.
51:36 Speaker 06 That's true.
51:37 Amanda Dobbins? Sorry.
51:37 Speaker 08 But he is keen twerp in this one. And he does it so well.
51:41 Speaker 06 Yeah.
51:41 Speaker 08 I think this is way up there in some of his best performances.
51:44 Speaker 06 Yeah, I mean, I think.
51:44 Speaker 08 He is the character.
51:45 Speaker 06 I think Werewolves of London is the, uh, put it in a museum if somebody is like, why is he a movie star just playing that scene? Do you have the Vince T-shirt? I do. Why didn't you wear it today? I forgot and I also just felt like wearing a sweatshirt because I'd never know what the temp's gonna be in these places.
52:00 Speaker 08 There you go.
52:01 Speaker 06 Got it.
52:02 Speaker 07 Do you think it's weird that he played two characters named Vincent?
52:05 Speaker 06 No, I, I mean, I don't think his, I think he's got some of the most unimaginative character names.
52:10 Speaker 07 Do you think Vincent is the most underrated movie character name of all time?
52:16 Speaker 06 The most, wait, what?
52:18 Amanda Dobbins? It's a good name.
52:18 Speaker 07 He's played Vincent twice in Collateral and.
52:22 Speaker 06 This is the half Italian side.
52:23 Speaker 07 Vincent Han and he.
52:26 Speaker 07 Vincent Vega in Pulp Fiction.
52:28 Speaker 06 Yeah.
52:30 Speaker 07 There's probably been some other Vincent's. Do you know any Vincent's in real life? You ever met a Vincent?
52:35 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
52:36 Speaker 06 I grew up with a Vinnie.
52:37 Amanda Dobbins? I know a five-year-old Vincent.
52:38 Speaker 06 I grew up with a Vinnie.
52:39 Speaker 07 You know Vincent?
52:39 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
52:40 Speaker 06 Yeah.
52:40 Amanda Dobbins? He goes by Vince.
52:41 Speaker 07 He's Vince. He's that Vincent.
52:42 Amanda Dobbins? Oh.
52:43 Speaker 07 I'm saying Vincent.
52:44 Speaker 08 Oh, Vincent.
52:44 Amanda Dobbins? Oh.
52:44 Speaker 07 Like, this is my friend Vincent. He's visiting this week.
52:47 Speaker 06 Yeah. There's Van Gogh, of course.
52:49 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
52:49 Speaker 08 Yeah.
52:50 Speaker 07 It's a name that only exists in movies.
52:53 Speaker 08 I wouldn't though.
52:54 Speaker 07 Anyway.
52:54 Sean Fennessey? Great no pill.
52:55 Speaker 07 Thanks.
52:55 Sean Fennessey? Uh, Ben.
52:58 Speaker 08 Eighties cocktail.
52:59 Speaker 06 Okay.
53:00 Amanda Dobbins? Wow.
53:00 Speaker 06 You stabbed me, him in the heart.
53:02 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
53:03 Speaker 08 Yeah.
53:04 Amanda Dobbins? I didn't, I wasn't even gonna do it.
53:05 Speaker 07 It was too early to take it.
53:06 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
53:07 Speaker 06 Did you know he was gonna do that?
53:08 Speaker 07 No, it's fine. I'm happy with my team.
53:10 Speaker 08 Eighties cocktail. Uh, still one of my favorite, although it's not funny. It's not, it is funny. I don't know why it's funny. It's always been funny to me. When he comes upon the blood.
53:26 Speaker 08 I don't know why it's funny to me. Like, even when I first saw it, like, he was like, hey.
53:33 Speaker 08 It's just a fucking hilarious scene. The guy's dead. It's fucked up. Love the movie. Early, early, early entry into, uh, the White Girl Hall of Fame.
53:44 Sean Fennessey? Kelly Lynch.
53:45 Speaker 08 Kelly Lynch.
53:46 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
53:46 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm.
53:46 Speaker 06 Yeah.
53:48 Sean Fennessey? Uh, this also takes a Tom Cruise does a sports thing film off the category because, uh, he plays basketball.
53:54 Speaker 06 That's right.
53:54 Sean Fennessey? In this movie.
53:54 Speaker 07 Yeah.
53:55 Sean Fennessey? Played badly.
53:56 Speaker 06 Brian Brown, smoking while playing hoops, right?
53:58 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
53:59 Speaker 06 Yeah.
53:59 Speaker 07 It's the single best Cruise performance compared to the quality of the movie. He's so much better than the actual movie that he just drags it. I compared it, I remember it to like, just like one of those LeBron seasons where everybody in his team sucks and they still win 50 games somehow.
54:14 Speaker 06 Right. It's like Booby Gibson is like in the backcourt. Yeah.
54:17 Speaker 07 All the way in on this movie. He learns how to juggle bottles. He become this A-plus list bartender. He looks great. He's just playing all the hits. Even when he's drunk, it's hilarious. Like, he, he's just, it's a home run performance.
54:32 Sean Fennessey? It's, I think, considered like the weakest movie in the hottest run of a movie star too, you know, where it's like, it's become like a, you know, it's an unintentional comedy Hall of Famer, but all of the other movies around it are like, this is the best movie I've ever seen in my life. So it's, it's more memorable in a way because of that.
54:50 Speaker 07 It needs, it needs a 4K Blu-ray. I've just been waiting. It just doesn't exist.
54:54 Sean Fennessey? You should leverage your own power.
54:56 Speaker 07 Yeah.
54:57 Speaker 06 Why don't you start your own 4K label?
54:59 Speaker 07 My own 4K Blu-ray division?
55:01 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
55:02 Speaker 07 Just for cocktails. I just make one. I release cocktail and I'm done.
55:05 Sean Fennessey? Uh, okay. Amanda, you've got a pick.
55:08 Speaker 07 It's a good pick, Ben.
55:10 Amanda Dobbins? I will look directly at you as I say in 90s, I will take Magnolia. Yeah, well, I thought that's what you were gonna do for your first pick.
55:18 Sean Fennessey? That would have been a crazy first pick.
55:19 Amanda Dobbins? Well, you know.
55:20 Sean Fennessey? But I was hoping it would get back to me.
55:22 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I assume so. Some people think it's the best, his best performance. I do. Is this the other best performance or do you have another one?
55:28 Sean Fennessey? Probably is.
55:29 Speaker 07 Probably his best dramatic performance.
55:30 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, okay. But it wasn't what you were thinking of.
55:33 Speaker 07 I think Maguire and Cocktail. Cocktail's his most ridiculously entertaining performance. Maguire, I think, is his best all around. And then Magnolia is like, hey, I actually could have been a good actor in another lifetime.
55:45 Amanda Dobbins? And it is also like, as Sean said, it's, it's the first of a run of him working with like big time directors, really taking, taking screens. In some ways, it's like a what could have been, you know, and, and, and that doesn't happen.
55:59 Speaker 08 I think they, I think the industry kicked them out of it. I think that he tried to do more stuff. And because he wasn't like, he tried to zag a little bit, as you gotta say, and because it wasn't rewarded. Because he went through the whole thing and they didn't, he was like, fuck it. I think he was actually a little disenchanted by the experience of trying to, because he goes right back to the blockbuster. Even into collateral, it was like, they don't want you that way. And so then he fumbles around with some of the bigger stuff for a while.
56:27 Sean Fennessey? I mean, that period to me is very golden, though. The 99 through 2005, because it's two Spielberg movies, it's PTA, it's Cameron Crowe. Like, it is really him locking in with a lot of guys at great times in their careers, too. They weren't as big.
56:42 Speaker 07 Stan the Man, he had Stan the Man as well.
56:43 Sean Fennessey? Stan the Man, yeah, that's right. Um, he, there's no way to go back to that, you know, like, there's not, even if he tried, even if he was like, I'm doing my next movie with Coogler and Shazell and, and Jordan Peele. I think it wouldn't make, like, age-wise, it wouldn't make sense, you know?
56:58 Amanda Dobbins? They all have to be making movies about older men.
57:00 Sean Fennessey? Right, exactly.
57:01 Speaker 07 One of the bummers, As Wide Shot was almost like an athlete tearing their ACL. He filmed that movie for so long, it like.
57:08 Sean Fennessey? Two years off the board.
57:08 Speaker 07 Just with moves.
57:09 Amanda Dobbins? Sideline him.
57:09 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
57:10 Speaker 07 One, maybe two movies, just out of his catalog.
57:12 Amanda Dobbins? I wouldn't trade it for anything.
57:13 Speaker 08 It was good.
57:14 Amanda Dobbins? It's still one of the craziest things, I mean, if you, if you buy into the difficulties that they had maritally on set, then, not soon after they divorce and then, and then things, he.
57:25 Speaker 07 I'm trying to think what couple wouldn't have gotten divorced after filming that movie for two years. You have to have just an amazing marriage.
57:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
57:33 Speaker 07 Kubrick was like
57:35 Speaker 08 Crazy.
57:36 Speaker 07 noticeably fucking with them. Yeah. And trying to like, it seemed like trying to destroy their relationship.
57:42 Sean Fennessey? I think trying to draw their performance because that's what the movie's about.
57:45 Speaker 08 He was trying to fuck.
57:45 Speaker 07 He was crazy. Take these takes over and over again that were super raw and intense.
57:49 Sean Fennessey? But it worked. Like that movie works because you feel like that relationship is on the brink. And he's a guy who doesn't really know if he's going to be able to make it through this stage of his life, which is kind of what all those movies are about. That's what the Frank T.J. Mackie performance is about. That's, I mean, it's crazy how much that's what the Vanilla Sky movie is about where Cameron Crowe is like, I'm now, I'm now working again with the most famous person on the planet. What would it be like for that person to be publicly destroyed? Only for five years later for him to actually become publicly destroyed. I mean, the arc of his career is so crazy.
58:17 Speaker 08 Did people want to see him weird?
58:20 Sean Fennessey? I don't think so.
58:21 Speaker 08 He, he was, he's, he's a weird in Eyes Wide Shut. He, the Vanilla Sky weird movie.
58:27 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
58:27 Speaker 08 Like
58:28 Sean Fennessey? No, they wanted Maverick. They wanted
58:29 Speaker 08 Yeah. I don't know if people were ready for him to be weird.
58:31 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
58:32 Speaker 08 I think he could be, I think he could go weird now. I think we could see elder statesman, weird chance taker Cruz. I think he's got a little bit of, of, of goodwill with people to where he could take more chances right now if he wanted to.
58:44 Sean Fennessey? I think you're right. I hope that's what the next few movies are about. Um, I got two picks here.
58:50 Sean Fennessey? I'm not in as bad a spot as I thought I was going to be.
58:52 Speaker 08 Interesting.
58:52 Sean Fennessey? Although a lot of key ones are coming off the board.
58:56 Sean Fennessey? Eighties is looking a little thin for me right now, so I think that's where I gotta go next. And I'll take Risky Business, which is a signature performance. Probably the movie that most clearly communicates what kind of movie star he could be. Carrying a movie all by himself. Honestly, working with a really sophisticated filmmaker at a young age. That movie is obviously much deeper than just like him sliding around in his underwear.
59:17 Speaker 07 Sure.
59:18 Sean Fennessey? But he could use him sliding around in his underwear to sell something about himself. Also an athlete in that movie, but we don't see him playing a sport, which is interesting. So it doesn't qualify for the
59:27 Speaker 07 Unless dance is a sport.
59:29 Sean Fennessey? Unless dances. Well, that kind of dance. I don't know. Private house dancing.
59:33 Speaker 07 Yeah. That Rebecca de Mornay, another one he dated. They got, they dated for a year. They fall in love in that movie. She looked great.
59:41 Amanda Dobbins? Beautiful.
59:42 Speaker 07 Just give me guys facts.
59:45 Sean Fennessey? So Risky Business in eighties. And then any, any Risky Business thoughts, guys? Anything you want to share? I think those captured them.
59:52 Speaker 08 Yeah.
59:53 Speaker 07 It's the best. It's the best done teen movie of that entire era. It's not the best movie. Like, you know, or the best.
1:00:02 Sean Fennessey? Teen movie like that's made by adults. It's shocking.
1:00:06 Speaker 08 It's, it's, yeah, it's not, that's not.
1:00:08 Speaker 07 It almost doesn't, yeah, it doesn't qualify as a teen movie.
1:00:10 Sean Fennessey? It's not like Fast Times.
1:00:11 Speaker 07 But it is a teen movie.
1:00:13 Amanda Dobbins? It's more Fast Times than it is like a.
1:00:17 Sean Fennessey? Breakfast.
1:00:17 Speaker 08 Breakfast.
1:00:18 Sean Fennessey? Right, right, right.
1:00:19 Speaker 08 Pretty in Pink.
1:00:20 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:00:21 Speaker 07 It's an amazing movie.
1:00:24 Speaker 07 And an important cruise movie because I don't think anyone thought of him as a star before that movie. And I remember after it came out, it was like, what's his next movie? And then it felt like it was off. I saw All the Right Moves in the theater. After Risky Business. Because of Risky Business.
1:00:43 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:00:43 Sean Fennessey? Interesting.
1:00:44 Speaker 07 Be like eight, eight of us, ninth graders, just popping over there.
1:00:49 Sean Fennessey? Well, I'm a little stumped. On where to go next.
1:00:53 Speaker 07 I just feel like in complete command of this draft. I feel like fucking Sam Presti. Everyone else is stumped. I know what I'm doing. You can do anything.
1:01:00 Amanda Dobbins? I admire your confidence.
1:01:02 Speaker 07 I don't have a scouting department. Wherever this draft goes, I'm ready.
1:01:05 Sean Fennessey? You think that's how Sam Presti works?
1:01:06 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:01:06 Sean Fennessey? Without a list or a scouting department?
1:01:08 Speaker 07 I don't think he cares. He's just like, I want long athletes.
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1:02:38 Sean Fennessey? I am going to just say I'm gonna choose my favorite acting performance of his career, which is Born on the Fourth of July, an Oscar nominee. Wow. Damn it, eighties. Just took it out of eighties.
1:02:51 Sean Fennessey? Make that a little more challenging for you guys. This is a movie actually was nominated for Best Actor. I think there's a strong case he could have won this year.
1:02:59 Sean Fennessey? Movie that is like somewhat personal to me because Ron Kovik was a Long Island guy, spoke at my high school when I was a kid. And his story is very resonant to my parents' generation. And I think it's easily one of Oliver Stone's best movies. It's a hard movie to watch. It doesn't have the same like rewatchables juice that a lot of his stuff does, but it's so beautifully done. And so I would feel good about having Born on the Fourth of July. It's a good pick. Not a lot of bits to do about Born on the Fourth of July. It's a tragic.
1:03:27 Speaker 08 It's a tough watch. Love it or leave it. Love it or leave it too. Like it's, it's, it's a tough watch. It's a great movie though.
1:03:33 Speaker 07 I have, I don't, I don't really crank it any that often. You don't turn it on. Tonight feels like a Born on the Fourth of July.
1:03:41 Speaker 06 I do wonder sometimes whether or not he could have done some other, like I often like, I'm like, could he have done the Costner part in JFK? You know, like I wonder whether or not like he had Oliver Stone.
1:03:53 Sean Fennessey? I think he could have, yeah, definitely.
1:03:55 Speaker 08 What a run of Vietnam movies there.
1:03:57 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:03:58 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:03:59 Speaker 07 This was about the tail end.
1:04:00 Speaker 08 This was the end of it, yeah.
1:04:02 Speaker 07 This is when we were done. Like a casualty is a war with Michael J. Fox going, Sarge, what are we doing?
1:04:08 Speaker 06 That was the official end.
1:04:10 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:04:11 Speaker 06 Sarge.
1:04:13 Sean Fennessey? My favorite competitive acting performance story ever. You know that story, right?
1:04:17 Speaker 06 What?
1:04:18 Sean Fennessey? Where, right before that scene, when he's testifying at the end, Sean Penn walks over to him when Michael J. Fox is sitting on the stand and he just whispers in his ear, TV actor. And then walks away to try to get him all bent out of shape. So that was a good performance. Great, great little story.
1:04:32 Speaker 06 Start doing that to CR.
1:04:35 Sean Fennessey? Uh, okay.
1:04:36 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, it's my turn again.
1:04:38 Speaker 08 Local sports podcast.
1:04:40 Amanda Dobbins? This is, this is, uh, this is a more of a strategic pick than, uh, it's funny to go from, uh, Born on the Fourth of July and you're, you know, like beautiful, a beautiful performance and a great movie to what I'm about to do, but I can't think of that many sports things off the top of my head right now that Tom Cruise is doing. So I'm going with War of the Worlds and Tom Cruise does a sports thing.
1:05:01 Sean Fennessey? He does.
1:05:01 Amanda Dobbins? The infamous playing catch.
1:05:03 Speaker 06 Cocky Mr. Presti over here.
1:05:04 Speaker 08 Child, child, child abuse with sports.
1:05:07 Amanda Dobbins? Exactly.
1:05:07 Speaker 08 Throw the ball at your son's head.
1:05:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it's really, it's not what you want.
1:05:10 Speaker 06 And his son is the Red Sox fan.
1:05:11 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:05:12 Amanda Dobbins? Right?
1:05:12 Sean Fennessey? How did that happen?
1:05:13 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:05:14 Speaker 07 It murdered the movie. Never recovered from it.
1:05:18 Sean Fennessey? Literally one year after the Sox title.
1:05:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:05:21 Sean Fennessey? Riz summer after that year. Yeah, it's tough.
1:05:23 Speaker 06 Where, where's that kid at?
1:05:24 Speaker 08 What, yeah, what happened to him?
1:05:26 Sean Fennessey? Dunno.
1:05:26 Speaker 06 He was good.
1:05:27 Sean Fennessey? Sure.
1:05:28 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:05:28 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:05:28 Speaker 08 Dakota Fanning was transcendent in that movie.
1:05:31 Amanda Dobbins? Amazing.
1:05:32 Speaker 06 So you took that in which category?
1:05:34 Amanda Dobbins? I, Tom Cruise does a sports thing.
1:05:35 Speaker 06 Okay. So now, uh, we have on sports thing, we have Color of Money is off the table. You have Top Gun and Amanda has War of the Worlds in sports.
1:05:47 Speaker 07 All right. So CR is up or Van's up?
1:05:49 Sean Fennessey? No, Van's up.
1:05:50 Speaker 08 Um, first Mission Impossible movie coming off the table.
1:05:53 Speaker 06 In Mission Impossible?
1:05:54 Speaker 08 In Mission Impossible.
1:05:55 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:05:55 Speaker 08 I'm taking Fallout.
1:05:57 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:05:58 Speaker 08 Yeah. Uh, look.
1:06:02 Speaker 08 I started with the Mission Impossible franchise early, right? I remember everything about the first movie. I remember the guy getting mad. What was the guy that starred in a television show? Can't remember his name, whatever. He was pissed off that his character, that Jim Phelps turned bad. He cursed Kennedy out at the MTV Movie Awards for her having not seen the show. I was so into the movie. I saw the movie. I did not understand it at all. The first time I saw it. The first time I saw the original Mission Impossible. Okay. Then after Mission Impossible 2, there was no possible way that I thought that this would lead to the franchise that it's become. It just didn't have the bang up beginning
1:06:47 Speaker 08 that most franchises like this have. Mission Impossible 2 was kind of a down. We didn't kind of get that one. And the first one had kind of a convoluted script, even though it had some really, really cool and awesome moments. I kind of feel like Fallout was the first movie in the Mission Impossible series to where I was like, I'm fucking all in on this. Like, the rest of them were films that were like, oh, they were good, they were cool to watch. You know, Philip Seymour Hoffman and all of that stuff was like, but like when I'm looking at Fallout, I'm like, oh shit, I get this. Like, I get why these are such awesome movies. I still think it's the best one.
1:07:26 Speaker 06 Good pick.
1:07:27 Speaker 08 Which one was that one?
1:07:28 Speaker 06 Fallout?
1:07:29 Amanda Dobbins? Fallout?
1:07:30 Speaker 06 It's the one where he throws the helicopter.
1:07:31 Amanda Dobbins? And the, yeah.
1:07:33 Speaker 06 And the bathroom, right?
1:07:34 Speaker 08 You couldn't care less about Mission Impossible.
1:07:35 Speaker 06 John Lark, Vanessa Kirby.
1:07:36 Speaker 08 They all blend together.
1:07:38 Amanda Dobbins? And the, it's the best one. He does the motorcycle thing in Paris and then jumps into the thing. It's good.
1:07:44 Speaker 06 You're gonna have to draft one of them.
1:07:45 Amanda Dobbins? You know.
1:07:46 Speaker 06 I get it. So, C, are you up? Uh, Fidelio. I'll go Eyes Wide Shut for 90s.
1:07:51 Speaker 08 You go.
1:07:52 Speaker 06 Okay. So, kind of like unique in a lot of his performances in that it's a film where he's being asked to like turn down the charisma and turn down his, you know, probably personal preference to always be the master of the universe around him. In fact, in this movie, it's like kind of mocking that. Saying like you don't know what's going on, you're not in control. You're not in control of your libido, you're not in control of your marriage, you're not in control of the world around you. Just kind of a fascinating performance by him in an incredible film, so.
1:08:27 Speaker 08 Very influential movie.
1:08:29 Sean Fennessey? How so?
1:08:30 Speaker 06 On QAnon?
1:08:31 Speaker 08 On culture.
1:08:32 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:08:32 Speaker 08 I remember we were doing a story.
1:08:36 Speaker 08 We were doing a story at TMZ back in the day about this thing called Sanctum. That exists in LA. Or I don't know if we did the story, but we were, people were.
1:08:45 Speaker 06 But you're talking about.
1:08:47 Speaker 08 And it was like, um, it's like a high-class sex party that exists. It's called Sanctum.
1:08:53 Speaker 06 Okay.
1:08:53 Speaker 08 Sanctum LA, Bill's searching it right now. Yeah, you could probably get in. And so, and so.
1:09:00 Speaker 07 I like joining clubs.
1:09:01 Speaker 08 They were.
1:09:05 Speaker 08 Man, I want to talk with a, I'll talk about you, talk to you about a pod. Just meet me at a warehouse downtown LA, 1:30 in the morning. And when we didn't understand what they were talking about and they were like, it's like Eyes Wide Shut, immediately you get it. Masks, sex, rich, champagne.
1:09:22 Speaker 06 Yeah. Jazz pianists.
1:09:24 Speaker 08 Jazz pianists.
1:09:26 Sean Fennessey? You more of a Nick Nightingale or more of a?
1:09:29 Speaker 06 Dr. Will?
1:09:30 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:09:30 Speaker 06 Definitely Nick.
1:09:31 Sean Fennessey? Yeah?
1:09:31 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:09:32 Sean Fennessey? Okay. What about you?
1:09:35 Amanda Dobbins? I'm Kidman all the way. Alice is her name, right?
1:09:37 Sean Fennessey? It is Alice.
1:09:38 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. I'd never, I'd never thought about that until this moment.
1:09:41 Sean Fennessey? Well, I have.
1:09:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:09:47 Sean Fennessey? Eyes Wide Shut, I mean, like rocked me to my core. It came out my birthday weekend, 1999. That was the most.
1:09:52 Speaker 06 It's also a movie that like we could do on the rewatchables 52 times in a year and probably still have new stuff to talk about.
1:09:57 Sean Fennessey? So fascinating.
1:09:58 Amanda Dobbins? Oh my God, please do it. It would be right up there.
1:10:00 Sean Fennessey? The reshut?
1:10:01 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:10:01 Sean Fennessey? It's time to reshut.
1:10:02 Speaker 06 Get Roger Avery on.
1:10:04 Sean Fennessey? Sure, he's got some deep thoughts.
1:10:06 Speaker 07 I have two picks.
1:10:08 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:10:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:10:08 Speaker 07 I'm gonna take, uh, I'm gonna take Rain Man for Oscar nominee.
1:10:12 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:10:14 Speaker 07 In a very important Cruise movie, he hadn't fallen for the archetype yet of the lovable cocky underdog who becomes a good person by the end of the movie. It was still fresh. There's still five more movies to go where he played that same guy.
1:10:31 Speaker 07 Won an Oscar.
1:10:33 Speaker 07 Barry Levinson, iconic Vegas thing. Hoffman wins the Oscar. Great soundtrack, good baseball card scenes.
1:10:42 Speaker 07 Toothpicks. Famous movie. Delighted to have it here at the last pick of the third round. Can't believe it's still on the board. And then, uh, for my other one.
1:10:54 Sean Fennessey? We did, we, we did a rewatchables on that.
1:10:56 Speaker 06 Raymond.
1:10:57 Speaker 07 We did.
1:10:57 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that was a good one.
1:11:00 Speaker 07 For my other one.
1:11:02 Amanda Dobbins? Not a top 10 episode, but.
1:11:04 Sean Fennessey? Interesting. What is your ranking? Why don't you?
1:11:06 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, JFK number one, for sure. I listen to it every year when I'm feeling down. Incredible performance by you.
1:11:12 Speaker 07 Thank you.
1:11:14 Amanda Dobbins? The Godfathers are pretty good. You know, I thought you guys did a great job with Star Wars. I don't know if that's up in top 10 yet. I mean, The Town, of course, Russillo. I never want to meet Ryan Russillo just because I need that to live on.
1:11:29 Sean Fennessey? Underrated, uh, Russillo performance in the Star Wars episode.
1:11:33 Amanda Dobbins? Not underrated. That was absolutely, I was weeping. It was really funny.
1:11:37 Speaker 06 I got served the other day, Russillo on the Vision Quest pod. I was like, there's just nobody better.
1:11:42 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:11:43 Speaker 08 Just to let you guys know, uh, you still have a draft pick to make, right?
1:11:46 Speaker 07 I know.
1:11:47 Speaker 08 As we vamp.
1:11:48 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:11:48 Speaker 08 He doesn't know what he's gonna pick, so we should put him on the clock.
1:11:51 Speaker 07 I want to know what, what category to do this.
1:11:53 Sean Fennessey? I don't understand. I thought you were Sam Presti here. You're talking a big, big old game.
1:11:56 Speaker 07 I want to make sure I have the right category. I'm gonna do, uh, for blockbuster, $100 million. Tropic Thunder.
1:12:04 Sean Fennessey? Hmm.
1:12:05 Amanda Dobbins? Wow.
1:12:08 Speaker 08 Horse shit.
1:12:09 Speaker 07 Import, why? Made $195 million. I just looked it up.
1:12:12 Speaker 08 I know, but like, Tom Cruise.
1:12:15 Speaker 07 I don't make the rules. I just live by Sean's category rules.
1:12:17 Sean Fennessey? It's a fair choice.
1:12:18 Speaker 08 Yeah.
1:12:19 Sean Fennessey? It's, you know. There are other blockbusters that are still on the board that could have been taken there, but if that's what you want to do, go for it.
1:12:26 Speaker 07 Yeah, that's what I want to do.
1:12:27 Sean Fennessey? Would you have considered the, the dancing that he does at the end to be a sports thing?
1:12:32 Speaker 07 Possible.
1:12:33 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm, no, not really. There's not enough movement in it. I just watched it again yesterday, just the, the credits. Like, it's funny, it's a good performance, but he's like fairly stationary in the fat suit, you know?
1:12:47 Speaker 07 Okay, I just watched this movie recently and it's really, really, really funny. And I'm glad it exists.
1:12:54 Sean Fennessey? Uh, it is one of the most, if not the most requested rewatchables movie.
1:12:58 Speaker 07 Yeah, it's just really good.
1:12:59 Sean Fennessey? In the world. Um, and Chris wants to revisit specifically RDJ's performance.
1:13:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:13:05 Sean Fennessey? And he's, he had a lot of thoughts about it.
1:13:07 Speaker 08 I think it's the funniest shit ever.
1:13:09 Sean Fennessey? It is.
1:13:09 Speaker 08 I think it's.
1:13:10 Speaker 07 You can't get mad at the movie because the whole point of that performance is.
1:13:14 Speaker 08 I don't give a fuck.
1:13:14 Speaker 07 They're twisting on the.
1:13:15 Speaker 08 I think the scene between him and.
1:13:17 Speaker 06 Every time I watch it though, a different person steps up for me. Like Coogan is really great in it.
1:13:21 Sean Fennessey? Uh.
1:13:22 Speaker 07 It's also like almost pretty much everyone from that era.
1:13:25 Speaker 08 The scene, the scene between him and Brandon T. Jackson, where all of a sudden he starts talking about putting some crawdass on the grill.
1:13:33 Speaker 08 That is like, that, but it's just like, what are you talking? That is the funniest. So like, dude, like, I don't want to, ha ha. I put some crawdass on the grill. That shit is so fucking funny. Like belligerent laughter.
1:13:48 Speaker 07 Did you say bullshit? Sounds like I made another good pick. You did, Bill.
1:13:53 Speaker 08 Bullshit because it's not, it's not like, I mean, it has nothing to do.
1:13:56 Speaker 07 Two hundred million dollars. It's blockbuster.
1:13:58 Speaker 08 Yeah, it is. I love the movie, but it's, you know.
1:14:00 Sean Fennessey? Why do you feel the need to fluff your own team during the draft?
1:14:03 Speaker 07 I'm just really happy with it so far.
1:14:05 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:14:05 Speaker 07 Let's keep it going, guys.
1:14:06 Speaker 08 Right.
1:14:06 Sean Fennessey? Um, Chris, you're up.
1:14:08 Speaker 06 In.
1:14:11 Speaker 06 Blockbuster.
1:14:12 Sean Fennessey? Hmm.
1:14:13 Speaker 06 I'll take Minority Report.
1:14:14 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm.
1:14:15 Speaker 06 Uh, is this his last Spielberg movie?
1:14:18 Sean Fennessey? No.
1:14:18 Speaker 06 Or the world's.
1:14:19 Speaker 08 Yeah.
1:14:19 Speaker 06 Um, we just did this on rewatchables. Uh, just a fantastic, put Tom Cruise in a Hitchcock thriller and make him, uh, wrongly accused man on the run. That's, turns out he's very, very good at that. And, uh, such a great athletic performance, although not a sport, but scaling buildings, going blind, doing this, like,
1:14:40 Sean Fennessey? Hmm.
1:14:40 Speaker 06 all sorts of stuff. And he's really a fantastic, probably up there with Harrison Ford, um, and Richard Dreyfuss, I guess, as Spielberg, like heroes, people that Spielberg is just really great at shooting. So just an awesome performance by him. I'm happy to have it.
1:14:56 Sean Fennessey? Great pick.
1:14:58 Speaker 08 I'm gonna do sports thing. I'm gonna do sports movie.
1:15:03 Speaker 08 We'll do Days of Thunder.
1:15:04 Speaker 07 Thank God. I thought you were gonna do something else.
1:15:06 Speaker 08 I'm gonna do Days of Thunder. Him, uh, driving around, like, look.
1:15:13 Speaker 08 Some of the driving in the movie on the track is great, but nothing is better than the, the race they do.
1:15:18 Speaker 07 The rental cars.
1:15:18 Speaker 08 The rental cars. Fantastic.
1:15:20 Speaker 07 And the wheelchair race is good, too.
1:15:22 Speaker 08 Love, love, love Days of Thunder.
1:15:25 Amanda Dobbins? Nicole Kidman is a neurosurgeon. Sure. Is she Australian in that? Is that why you don't like the movie?
1:15:32 Speaker 07 She's the 24 year old Australian neurosurgeon living in Charlotte, North Carolina. Seemingly exclusively working on NASCAR drivers.
1:15:40 Speaker 08 Yeah.
1:15:41 Speaker 07 But not having a lot of respect for.
1:15:42 Speaker 08 Like Denise Richards, astrophysicist, Christmas Jones.
1:15:45 Speaker 07 Yeah. She did, uh, she zoomed through med school. Taking like eight classes. She's like Doozy Howser.
1:15:52 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, I thought you meant like on Zoom.
1:15:54 Speaker 07 Maybe she did that too.
1:15:56 Amanda Dobbins? Cause is she licensed here in the US despite being Australian?
1:15:59 Speaker 07 Med school in two years in Australia.
1:16:02 Amanda Dobbins? Like to check her board certification. Um, it's my pick. And in Mission Impossible, I will take Mission Impossible, 1996. Um, I love this entire franchise and it's because I was 12 when this movie came out.
1:16:18 Speaker 07 Is this your favorite one?
1:16:20 Amanda Dobbins? I think Fallout is probably, Fallout was gonna be my first pick and Van got it because it is, you know, I think it's when it reaches its greatest heights. And I mean, like I said, he jumps out of a plane. He, you know, motorcycles around Paris. Like I, I have all of those set pieces kind of memorized.
1:16:36 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:16:37 Amanda Dobbins? Um, but I also have the, you know, the Langley, the fall, the knock list. And that I like in a single image that is that entire franchise and kind of Tom Cruise's 90s summed up. So, and I was just really into it. I was really into the music. I think I like recorded the, the theme song like off the TV on to like my cassette tape, you know, just to be able, which is a normal thing to do in 1996.
1:17:04 Amanda Dobbins? Great, great movie and hold it like still just absolutely slaps.
1:17:07 Speaker 08 Is the Langley scene bar none the coolest scene in the movie? It is, right? There's so many cool scenes.
1:17:13 Speaker 06 I think the opening sequence is the best.
1:17:15 Speaker 08 The opening sequence.
1:17:15 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
1:17:16 Speaker 08 In there.
1:17:16 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:17:17 Speaker 08 Yeah, like there's so many just cool scenes.
1:17:19 Sean Fennessey? Helicopter in the train tunnel is pretty.
1:17:21 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, also iconic, yeah.
1:17:22 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:17:23 Speaker 07 Remember the scene when he had a mask on and he took it off and it was Tom Cruise?
1:17:28 Sean Fennessey? Why are you trying to harsh the mellow Mission Impossible?
1:17:30 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, he was Wolf Blitzer, but instead he was.
1:17:33 Speaker 06 I don't know if we needed eight of them.
1:17:33 Amanda Dobbins? That's the best one.
1:17:34 Speaker 06 It's fine.
1:17:35 Amanda Dobbins? That one and that's Fallout. That one is all, it's so good.
1:17:38 Speaker 08 That's crazy.
1:17:39 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:17:39 Speaker 08 What he's, have you seen that one where he's actually Wolf Blitzer?
1:17:42 Speaker 06 I've seen all of them, they're good.
1:17:43 Sean Fennessey? When they're in with the scientist Niels Del Brook, who is, believes in anarchy.
1:17:46 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah?
1:17:47 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:17:49 Amanda Dobbins? Really, really good stuff.
1:17:50 Speaker 06 Oh, she.
1:17:51 Speaker 08 Him and Wolf Blitzer is fucking insane.
1:17:53 Speaker 06 Who Sean Harris plays, what's his character?
1:17:55 Sean Fennessey? Uh, I forget the name of his character. He's also an anarchist, yeah.
1:17:59 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:18:00 Amanda Dobbins? Simon Lane.
1:18:00 Sean Fennessey? Simon Lane.
1:18:02 Speaker 08 Late era Emilio Estevez in the original one as well.
1:18:06 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:18:06 Speaker 07 Sierra, would you rather had seven Mission Impossibles or seven cocktails? If you had to pick?
1:18:11 Speaker 06 I think that Mission Impossible probably was a more durable franchise.
1:18:14 Speaker 07 I think you're right.
1:18:15 Speaker 06 Would I do seven Cock Color of Moneys?
1:18:16 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:18:17 Speaker 06 Seven firms?
1:18:18 Sean Fennessey? What would, what would Cocktail Two be called? Like Flannigan Returns?
1:18:21 Speaker 07 Well, Cocktail Two clearly ends up with a waitress, gets divorced, and probably loses the bar.
1:18:30 Speaker 06 I think Cocktail could have been a trilogy just so we could name the third one Last Call.
1:18:34 Speaker 07 Mmm.
1:18:35 Speaker 06 Cocktail Three, Last Call. Yeah.
1:18:37 Speaker 08 Last Call.
1:18:37 Speaker 07 That's pretty good.
1:18:38 Speaker 06 And he comes back to like competitive bartending.
1:18:40 Speaker 07 I just think Cruise, I think Flanagan should have just lived in Jamaica and that I could have spent maybe five, six years in Jamaica with just the people coming in and out of the resort.
1:18:50 Speaker 08 But then you don't get the scene.
1:18:52 Speaker 07 What?
1:18:53 Speaker 08 The blood.
1:18:54 Speaker 07 Well, no, I'm saying like for the sequels.
1:18:55 Speaker 08 Oh, for the sequels.
1:18:56 Speaker 07 I just think if he's in Jamaica, I'm happy.
1:18:58 Speaker 06 You're up, Big Dog.
1:18:59 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I got a, I got a draft for Need here unfortunately. Things are starting to get a little thin.
1:19:06 Sean Fennessey? My personal taste. So in Mission Impossible, taking Rogue Nation, which I think is definitively the third best.
1:19:12 Amanda Dobbins? That's the hanging off.
1:19:13 Sean Fennessey? I don't want to lose it.
1:19:14 Speaker 06 That's the Kremlin?
1:19:15 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, that's the introduction of Ilsa, Rebecca Ferguson's character. And the Macquarie era begins here.
1:19:22 Speaker 06 But that's blowing up the Kremlin to start.
1:19:25 Amanda Dobbins? And the hanging off the plane.
1:19:26 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm.
1:19:28 Amanda Dobbins? The first time.
1:19:29 Sean Fennessey? Not the Burj Khalifa one, the one after that one.
1:19:31 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:19:33 Sean Fennessey? Cause the other ones I have varying degrees of issues with, so I want to feel confident in my Mission Impossible pick. And I love Rogue Nation. No offense, guys, sorry.
1:19:41 Speaker 06 Inexplicable bias towards a certain film in this franchise.
1:19:46 Sean Fennessey? Inexplicable? I'll explain exactly.
1:19:47 Amanda Dobbins? I'm with him, but it's nice that you have it. So, you know, like if we can have peace, then it's fine.
1:19:53 Sean Fennessey? Without suffering, there is no peace, as we learned in the film Fallout.
1:19:58 Amanda Dobbins? I'm just Googling Tom Cruise, like Oscar nomination, you know, right now, so.
1:20:02 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, cause I'm getting a little. So. I'll replace him with the bed. I think I need a blockbuster.
1:20:12 Sean Fennessey? But I also need a sports thing.
1:20:19 Sean Fennessey? And I'll take all the right moves in my sports thing.
1:20:22 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:20:23 Speaker 06 You, you did not do that.
1:20:25 Sean Fennessey? I had to. It's the last sports thing.
1:20:27 Speaker 06 No, it's not.
1:20:30 Sean Fennessey? What's the last sports thing?
1:20:31 Speaker 06 There's another sports thing.
1:20:33 Sean Fennessey? Is there? Tell me about it.
1:20:34 Speaker 06 He plays football in Oblivion.
1:20:35 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, well, I was not gonna take that.
1:20:36 Speaker 06 So you took an eighties movie off the board for me?
1:20:39 Sean Fennessey? Well.
1:20:39 Speaker 06 Oh, man.
1:20:40 Sean Fennessey? There's plenty of eighties movies left.
1:20:42 Amanda Dobbins? Not really, but it'll be okay.
1:20:44 Sean Fennessey? Oblivion getting drafted would be fucking hysterical. Yeah, not a huge fan of Oblivion. I liked it. It's okay. Yeah. To take it here. Yeah, it would be. As my fifth overall pick, that wouldn't have been great.
1:20:55 Speaker 06 Great Olga Karolynko behind the scenes. I think they also dated briefly, or a real rumor to have dated.
1:21:00 Speaker 07 I mean, when you're with Cruise all day, you end up falling for him.
1:21:03 Sean Fennessey? You fall in love, yeah. Especially after you get the call from.
1:21:05 Speaker 07 Forty-five years of history, yes.
1:21:07 Sean Fennessey? It's almost like his.
1:21:08 Speaker 07 If Amanda spent some time with him, it's like the marriage might be in trouble after like six hours.
1:21:12 Sean Fennessey? Sorry, Zach.
1:21:13 Speaker 07 Some know.
1:21:13 Sean Fennessey? Cruise tractor beam is on right now.
1:21:15 Amanda Dobbins? Not until he gets a haircut.
1:21:16 Speaker 07 Amanda away from Tom Cruise.
1:21:17 Speaker 06 Yeah, when is he gonna get a haircut?
1:21:19 Sean Fennessey? TC?
1:21:19 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:21:20 Sean Fennessey? What's up? I don't know. I don't like the long look. I love the short. Ethan should always have short hair.
1:21:23 Amanda Dobbins? Do we? Do you also? We'll talk about it. Like, I, I, I understand now why he has long hair, having seen the film.
1:21:29 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:21:30 Amanda Dobbins? But, um.
1:21:31 Speaker 07 Is it because he's Methuselah or something?
1:21:33 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that's it. That's exactly. No, I prefer, with this hair length, it, it, it wouldn't be an issue for Zach.
1:21:40 Sean Fennessey? Um, yeah. All the right moves briefly. This is the movie that predicted Jason Seahorn. Uh, we never knew we needed a white corner.
1:21:47 Speaker 07 Cooper Dejean.
1:21:48 Sean Fennessey? Who could perform as Cooper Dejean. Wow. Superbowl superhero. Um.
1:21:52 Speaker 08 Cultural.
1:21:53 Sean Fennessey? Pretty good movie. Pretty underrated, I think.
1:21:55 Speaker 07 Fucking awesome.
1:21:56 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. I feel like it might be the most overlooked Cruise movie in total.
1:22:01 Speaker 08 Never seen it.
1:22:02 Sean Fennessey? Really?
1:22:05 Speaker 08 Never seen it.
1:22:06 Speaker 07 What?
1:22:07 Speaker 08 Never seen it.
1:22:08 Speaker 07 Holy shit, really? Oh, you'd love it.
1:22:10 Sean Fennessey? It's really good.
1:22:10 Speaker 08 I've never seen it.
1:22:11 Speaker 07 What in the fuck?
1:22:12 Speaker 08 I have seen Quarterback Princess with Helen Hunt.
1:22:16 Speaker 07 All the right moves is like a real movie.
1:22:19 Amanda Dobbins? Well, I need to see that.
1:22:20 Speaker 08 Like, have you seen Quarterback Princess?
1:22:21 Amanda Dobbins? No, but I'm Googling it.
1:22:23 Speaker 08 True story about a, a, a, a female quarterback from, uh, British Columbia.
1:22:27 Speaker 07 It's a TV movie, though.
1:22:28 Speaker 08 Whatever. I've seen.
1:22:29 Speaker 07 All the right moves is a real movie.
1:22:30 Speaker 08 It used to. So you're saying Quarterback Princess about a woman?
1:22:33 Speaker 07 It's a TV movie.
1:22:34 Speaker 08 Okay, cool. Like, I've seen Quarterback Princess, so.
1:22:37 Speaker 07 Saying it's a TV movie.
1:22:38 Speaker 08 I've seen Lucas.
1:22:39 Speaker 07 All the right moves has one of the best football sequences in the history of football movies.
1:22:42 Speaker 08 If I, I've seen Lucas, though, right? Lucas is.
1:22:45 Sean Fennessey? No, no.
1:22:46 Speaker 07 All the right moves is good.
1:22:47 Sean Fennessey? It's not.
1:22:48 Speaker 07 It has a very controversial, uh, kneeling on the ball decision.
1:22:52 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
1:22:53 Speaker 07 That I might have written like a thousand words about when I had my mailbag once upon a time.
1:22:56 Sean Fennessey? Leah Thompson? They fell in love, of course, during the making of that film?
1:22:59 Speaker 07 Did they? I've seen parts of that.
1:23:01 Speaker 08 But I haven't, I haven't sat down and watched the whole thing. I watched it this weekend.
1:23:04 Speaker 07 I thought you were just being horny earlier, but you're right, man. He really does have like an incredible resume.
1:23:10 Speaker 08 I, it wasn't a bit.
1:23:11 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:23:13 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm. Um, Amanda, you're up.
1:23:16 Speaker 08 You guys are gonna start the conversation.
1:23:17 Amanda Dobbins? In 2014?
1:23:19 Speaker 07 Leo has anonymous models and Cruise is just ripping through.
1:23:23 Speaker 08 I mean, it's, it's Jeter when, when it's all said and done.
1:23:25 Speaker 07 Cruise or Jeter? I don't know. It's an argument.
1:23:27 Sean Fennessey? To your faves.
1:23:30 Amanda Dobbins? In 21st century.
1:23:33 Amanda Dobbins? I'm going with Edge of Tomorrow.
1:23:35 Speaker 08 Oh.
1:23:36 Amanda Dobbins? I can't believe you guys left it this long. I really honestly can't. Like, I thought that it was gonna go in one of the many other categories. Uh, this movie rips. This is also in what has been like a dark period of Tom Cruise's career. And, you know, everything happens in 2005. Some not great movies. He's lost his mojo. And like, he's back and he is like alive in this movie and it's him being good. Decent chemistry with Emily Blunt.
1:24:05 Speaker 07 I think it goes further than this because it was one of those that came out and everyone said it was good, but nobody believed it. Cause everyone had given up on Tom Cruise.
1:24:12 Speaker 08 Cause he was down, yeah, he was so down.
1:24:14 Speaker 07 And it was like, no, no, you gotta see it. No, really, it's good. It's good. And it was like that for about a week.
1:24:18 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. Um, it's great. I.
1:24:21 Speaker 07 She's good in it too.
1:24:22 Amanda Dobbins? She, I mean, she's incredible. They, they do have good chemistry. They don't, I like, I know some people are mad at the ending, but that I then like the romance, but I like it. It's fine. Come on.
1:24:33 Speaker 08 That movie's good.
1:24:33 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it's good.
1:24:34 Sean Fennessey? It's one of my favorite movies.
1:24:35 Amanda Dobbins? Also, like she, her doing like, like Up Dog and then Cobra, that's like that, those are my summer goals, you know? I have a lot of work to do and I was wondering.
1:24:45 Sean Fennessey? Go, go for it.
1:24:46 Amanda Dobbins? Like whether, what substances she took in that moment, she looks amazing. So it's powerful.
1:24:50 Speaker 06 She's on the Jason Tatum will be ready for February diet.
1:24:56 Speaker 07 Why? Why do you have to come up?
1:24:58 Sean Fennessey? Uh, great pick. Obviously a phenomenal movie. Another movie that I think like it came out and everyone was like, yeah, this is fine. And then.
1:25:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:25:04 Sean Fennessey? Bang.
1:25:05 Speaker 08 It was like the movie where I was most scared for Tom because it was a legitimately, it wasn't oblivion. It was a legitimately good movie that people just didn't give a fuck about.
1:25:14 Speaker 06 But has lived on is like one of the final like examples, like one of the great more recent examples of like a movie that almost has like cult status and has been rewatched and like kind of revived a lot of times.
1:25:26 Speaker 08 Just because people just wouldn't let it not be well received. It was like, yo, if you ever watch it, the shit is, it's incredible.
1:25:33 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, it's li mania. Doug.
1:25:36 Sean Fennessey? Uh, alright Van, you're up.
1:25:37 Speaker 08 Uh, totally stole what I was gonna draft and I really feel like I was gonna be in a good position if I could get Edger tomorrow.
1:25:44 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:25:44 Speaker 08 So now I gotta go Oscar.
1:25:46 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:25:46 Speaker 08 Okay. I'm going Vanilla Sky.
1:25:48 Sean Fennessey? Hmm.
1:25:49 Speaker 08 Uh huh.
1:25:50 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:25:51 Speaker 08 Cause I'm only drafting. What Oscar did that with?
1:25:53 Sean Fennessey? Been in a tough spot here.
1:25:54 Amanda Dobbins? It was nominated.
1:25:56 Speaker 08 For what?
1:25:57 Amanda Dobbins? I don't know.
1:25:58 Speaker 08 Best original song.
1:25:59 Sean Fennessey? That's right.
1:26:00 Speaker 08 Wow.
1:26:01 Amanda Dobbins? What was the original song?
1:26:02 Sean Fennessey? Vanilla Sky written by and performed by Paul McCartney.
1:26:04 Amanda Dobbins? Sing it.
1:26:05 Speaker 08 Peemack.
1:26:06 Sean Fennessey? Uh, I wouldn't sing it, but I do know the song. Isn't it the song that plays over the end credits?
1:26:10 Speaker 08 Mm hmm. The only song I remember from that movie is the Buckley song.
1:26:13 Speaker 07 That's fake.
1:26:14 Sean Fennessey? Well, that's what her take is your movie if it needs to be.
1:26:16 Amanda Dobbins? They play a lot. I rewatched it and they have, I mean, it's a Cameron Crowe music budget. Uh, I don't know whether it's used.
1:26:24 Speaker 08 The Times Square scene is really cool.
1:26:25 Sean Fennessey? I, I think we should do this on rewatchables, cause I think it's like the most interesting movie of its era. It might not be the best movie.
1:26:33 Speaker 08 I don't like that they just remade a movie that did really well, like a year before.
1:26:38 Sean Fennessey? It is a much crazier version of Abre Los Ojos. Abre Los Ojos is a much smaller movie than Vanilla Sky. Vanilla Sky becomes this like science fiction extravaganza.
1:26:47 Speaker 08 And everybody's in it. It was the most off kilter I think me and my friends have ever been, like in the movie theater, because just had no fucking clue what the movie was actually going to be about. Well, cause the movie had no clue what it was.
1:27:02 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:27:02 Speaker 08 It's all over the place.
1:27:04 Sean Fennessey? It's a little all over the place, yeah.
1:27:05 Amanda Dobbins? I rewatched it, uh, like.
1:27:06 Speaker 08 It's incoherent.
1:27:07 Amanda Dobbins? An out and out disaster.
1:27:08 Speaker 07 So it's always crazier than I watched it.
1:27:09 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it's, I just like, does not work in any way. And I like, I have like a very complicated relationship with Cameron Diaz, so, you know, I, but it's.
1:27:17 Sean Fennessey? It's literally one of her best performances.
1:27:19 Speaker 08 I don't think she's ever been better in a movie than that movie. Some of her dialogue in that movie.
1:27:25 Amanda Dobbins? She's funny. Once she's funny, she's really, really funny.
1:27:27 Speaker 08 She's so psycho in that movie. Some of her dialogue in that movie set the Baton Rouge theaters on fire. We weren't, we, we had never seen her like this. We were like, oh, oh.
1:27:38 Amanda Dobbins? Right, yeah, the car scene, sure.
1:27:40 Speaker 08 Right, I was like, whoa.
1:27:41 Amanda Dobbins? Um, yeah, I, this, it does not come together for me, but it, you know, it was a swing.
1:27:47 Speaker 08 So that means CR's up?
1:27:48 Sean Fennessey? CR's up.
1:27:48 Speaker 07 CR's up.
1:27:50 Speaker 08 Don't fuck this up, CR.
1:27:53 Speaker 06 Well.
1:27:54 Sean Fennessey? What do you got left on the board?
1:27:55 Speaker 06 Eighties.
1:27:56 Speaker 07 Oral whatnot.
1:27:57 Speaker 06 Oral and whatnot.
1:27:59 Sean Fennessey? Eighties mission and that and wildcard.
1:28:01 Speaker 08 Tom Cruise.
1:28:01 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:28:01 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:28:03 Speaker 06 Oh, and 21st century.
1:28:04 Sean Fennessey? And 21st century. Oh, boy. We're only halfway through here, guys.
1:28:08 Amanda Dobbins? No, I know.
1:28:08 Speaker 06 Uh, well.
1:28:09 Sean Fennessey? Gets a little dicey.
1:28:10 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I.
1:28:11 Sean Fennessey? We know this guy going off the board is the official, like, okay.
1:28:13 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, yeah.
1:28:13 Sean Fennessey? What's actually on the board now?
1:28:15 Speaker 07 Hmm, there's some good ones left. I'm feeling great about my board, my scouting department.
1:28:20 Sean Fennessey? That's great, Sam.
1:28:21 Speaker 07 Sam's over here.
1:28:23 Speaker 06 I guess for the eighties, I'll take The Outsiders.
1:28:24 Amanda Dobbins? God damn it.
1:28:25 Speaker 07 Oh, shit.
1:28:26 Sean Fennessey? That's the last one.
1:28:27 Speaker 06 Cause I like it.
1:28:28 Amanda Dobbins? Fuck.
1:28:29 Speaker 06 The most of the remaining eighties films that I needed in eighties film. Uh, he's obviously just part of an ensemble and not even in like the upper third of the most important characters, but he's good. You can see he's got something.
1:28:40 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
1:28:40 Speaker 06 This is OG teeth. This is two or three teeth jobs ago.
1:28:43 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:28:44 Speaker 06 But he's, he's a good little ratty kid on the, on the outskirts of this gang and this movie is fucking incredible.
1:28:50 Speaker 08 Chocolate Cake Face?
1:28:52 Speaker 06 What's that?
1:28:52 Speaker 08 The Chocolate Cake, Chocolate Cake Face. He looks, he's eating the chocolate cake. They really, I watched that movie not too long ago. Like, I have forgotten how much I loved that movie.
1:29:04 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, Stay Gold Ponyboy.
1:29:05 Speaker 08 Yep. I like watching that movie as a youngster.
1:29:07 Sean Fennessey? It was a big one, yeah.
1:29:08 Speaker 08 I thought white people would really like that. Then you guys just been disappointing me ever since.
1:29:11 Speaker 06 Also, just really.
1:29:12 Sean Fennessey? The Sojas and the Greasers?
1:29:13 Speaker 08 I thought that I was gonna have a bunch of cool, like, uh, greaser type friends.
1:29:18 Sean Fennessey? You never met a Macho?
1:29:20 Speaker 08 Nah, never met a Macho.
1:29:21 Sean Fennessey? You know, we rep for Macho on Long Island. That's our guy. Macho, Macho cooked cruise in this movie.
1:29:25 Speaker 06 It's fun to go back and watch it. And, and for that exact reason. Be like, see Thomas Howell is fucking hanging on the rim of both crews.
1:29:34 Sean Fennessey? It's true.
1:29:37 Speaker 08 He, but like, Macho was getting busy in that movie.
1:29:39 Sean Fennessey? He's great.
1:29:40 Speaker 08 How was getting busy?
1:29:41 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:29:41 Sean Fennessey? Swayze is amazing.
1:29:42 Speaker 08 Swayze, did you, there's a part in that movie, what the fuck was, talk about doing a sports thing, there's a part in that movie where they're going out to the rumble and Swayze jumps over the fence by doing a handstand on top of the fence. And then coming on, I'm like.
1:30:01 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:30:01 Speaker 08 I forgot about that. Oh, Swayze's a fucking bitch.
1:30:03 Sean Fennessey? Two years later, Dirty Dancing. Yeah.
1:30:05 Amanda Dobbins? It really, Patrick Swayze, really important to me.
1:30:08 Speaker 08 What Swayze movies have you guys done on the rewatchables?
1:30:10 Sean Fennessey? Point Break?
1:30:11 Speaker 06 Roadhouse.
1:30:11 Amanda Dobbins? Ghost.
1:30:11 Sean Fennessey? Roadhouse.
1:30:12 Speaker 08 Roadhouse.
1:30:13 Amanda Dobbins? He's had a good little run.
1:30:15 Speaker 07 Can I move a movie to a different category? No. That's not legal, right?
1:30:18 Speaker 06 I've been thinking about that for 35 minutes.
1:30:21 Amanda Dobbins? Me too, but that's okay.
1:30:22 Sean Fennessey? That's what Sam Presti says when he's got the ninth pick. He's like, can I make this the seventh pick? And they say, no, you're picking ninth.
1:30:26 Amanda Dobbins? Can I take yours, Bailey? Yeah.
1:30:28 Speaker 07 That's fine.
1:30:29 Speaker 08 Six, seven.
1:30:30 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:30:30 Speaker 07 Um, I'll do Taps for 80s then, because that's the last one.
1:30:33 Amanda Dobbins? Wait, is it your pick?
1:30:35 Speaker 07 It's mine, isn't it?
1:30:36 Sean Fennessey? It is, it is Bill's pick, yes.
1:30:37 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, fuck me.
1:30:39 Speaker 07 Yeah. Taps is a really good movie.
1:30:41 Speaker 06 Sure.
1:30:41 Speaker 07 I like Taps.
1:30:42 Speaker 06 Sean Hutton in Taps.
1:30:43 Speaker 07 Tim Hutton, leader of the group at that point, because he was in order of people. Cruise is a maniac.
1:30:49 Sean Fennessey? Super funny George C. Scott.
1:30:50 Speaker 08 George C. Scott.
1:30:51 Speaker 07 It's a boarding school. For some reason, they decided to protect the boarding school because they're going to knock it over for real estate. It's a really good movie.
1:30:58 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:30:59 Speaker 08 Hutton becomes the cadet commander.
1:31:02 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:31:03 Speaker 08 And then the general base, it's one of my favorite after-school joints.
1:31:08 Speaker 07 Also, I feel like Taps leads to one of the great movies of the early 90s, Toy Soldiers.
1:31:14 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
1:31:15 Speaker 07 It lays a lot of the groundwork.
1:31:16 Speaker 06 It's true.
1:31:16 Speaker 07 It walks so toy soldiers can run.
1:31:18 Amanda Dobbins? I'm in shambles here.
1:31:19 Speaker 08 Cruise goes nuts in Taps and starts fucking letting off rounds all over.
1:31:23 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:31:23 Speaker 08 It's fucking beautiful.
1:31:24 Speaker 06 Yeah. Hutton did prep so that Will Wheaton could cook.
1:31:32 Sean Fennessey? CR, you're up.
1:31:33 Speaker 07 No.
1:31:34 Sean Fennessey? Wait, do you have another one?
1:31:34 Speaker 07 I'm up again.
1:31:35 Sean Fennessey? My bad.
1:31:37 Speaker 07 I'm up again.
1:31:38 Speaker 08 Is Giancarlo Esposito in Taps? He is. It's a young Giancarlo. I feel like he is. Am I wrong?
1:31:43 Sean Fennessey? I don't remember. That's 83, that's pretty early for Giancarlo. First time I saw him isn't doing the right thing.
1:31:48 Speaker 07 Okay, so I need, just trying to figure out what I need.
1:31:53 Speaker 07 I don't have 21st Century. I don't have Mission Impossible. I don't have a wild card.
1:32:00 Speaker 07 Okay.
1:32:02 Speaker 07 I intentionally left 21st Century for later, because there's a lot of good 21st Century. And that's going to lead me with.
1:32:11 Speaker 07 A movie that I've watched many times.
1:32:12 Speaker 06 I know exactly what this is.
1:32:14 Speaker 07 He was way too short for the role.
1:32:16 Speaker 06 It's true.
1:32:17 Speaker 07 I don't know why he's in it.
1:32:19 Speaker 06 But.
1:32:20 Speaker 07 My girl Roseman Pike's in it.
1:32:21 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:32:21 Speaker 06 She is.
1:32:22 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:32:22 Speaker 07 Still have her stock.
1:32:23 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:32:24 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:32:24 Speaker 07 In my garage. Sure. Uh, Jack Reacher.
1:32:26 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, this was a back pocket 21st century one for me, too.
1:32:29 Speaker 06 Do you like Jack Reacher more than Jack Reacher Never Go Back?
1:32:32 Speaker 07 Yes.
1:32:33 Sean Fennessey? Do you know who directed Jack Reacher Never Go Back? This is his second film with Tom Cruise.
1:32:39 Speaker 06 It's Macquarie, right?
1:32:40 Sean Fennessey? Nope, he directed Jack Reacher, who directed Never Go Back. Does anyone know who it is? Ed Zwick.
1:32:47 Speaker 07 Really?
1:32:50 Sean Fennessey? How great is that?
1:32:51 Speaker 07 Wow.
1:32:53 Speaker 08 Love Jack Reacher.
1:32:54 Speaker 07 Jack Reacher is a good movie.
1:32:56 Sean Fennessey? Jack Reacher one is a lot of fun.
1:32:56 Speaker 08 Jack Reacher, a lot of fun. There was something about the movie where you, I didn't know anything about the books, anything like that.
1:33:04 Sean Fennessey? Isn't it on the first page, they're like, he's 6'6", 260?
1:33:07 Speaker 08 Something about the movie where you could tell this wasn't quite Tom Cruise, but he still made it work anyway.
1:33:14 Speaker 07 My dad was outraged. He was, he loved the books and he just couldn't believe Tom Cruise.
1:33:17 Sean Fennessey? Was it Lee Child, who's the author?
1:33:19 Speaker 06 It's Lee Child and it's a great version of the non-video game version of a fanbase absolutely revolting against
1:33:24 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:33:25 Speaker 06 like the adaptation, because they're just like, no, Jack Reacher is, is like, built like Luke Keakley.
1:33:31 Speaker 08 Like the real guy.
1:33:33 Speaker 07 Well, that's why in the Amazon one, they just went for a giant guy.
1:33:36 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:33:36 Sean Fennessey? Richson.
1:33:37 Speaker 08 He does a good job, too.
1:33:38 Speaker 07 My dad's very happy with that show.
1:33:39 Speaker 08 Did you guys like, because Jack Reacher is based off these books, remember Shooter?
1:33:43 Sean Fennessey? Mm-hmm.
1:33:44 Speaker 08 I like Shooter.
1:33:44 Speaker 06 Shooter, we, did we do Shooter on rewatch?
1:33:46 Speaker 07 We fucking A did.
1:33:47 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:33:48 Speaker 08 I like Shooter, man.
1:33:49 Speaker 06 Shooter was a, was a real good movie.
1:33:50 Sean Fennessey? K. Mara at the top of the game.
1:33:51 Speaker 07 Evil Danny Glover.
1:33:52 Speaker 08 Evil Danny Glover.
1:33:54 Speaker 07 Evil Ned Beatty.
1:33:55 Speaker 08 Johnny Lee Swagger, was his, was his name?
1:33:58 Speaker 06 Yeah. Bob Lee Swagger.
1:33:59 Speaker 08 Bob Lee Swagger. I love.
1:34:00 Speaker 07 It's a one last job movie.
1:34:01 Speaker 06 Yeah, I think they made a USA show about.
1:34:04 Speaker 07 They sure did, starring RalphIE.
1:34:06 Speaker 08 Shooter's one of those.
1:34:07 Sean Fennessey? Recently, like a year and a half ago.
1:34:09 Speaker 08 Shooter's one of those movies where it came out and everybody was shitting on the movie. And so I watched it going like, oh my God, like this is gonna be terrible.
1:34:16 Speaker 07 No shitting on my side.
1:34:17 Sean Fennessey? This is where we're at on this pod is like all the big hitters are off the off the deck down.
1:34:23 Speaker 08 I fucking love Shooter. I fucking love Shooter. Kate Mara.
1:34:27 Sean Fennessey? I said it's Kate Mara at the top of her game.
1:34:29 Speaker 08 Yeah.
1:34:31 Speaker 07 It's amazing. She stayed away from Cruise.
1:34:34 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, well, they never matched up.
1:34:35 Speaker 07 They didn't.
1:34:36 Sean Fennessey? She never slipped into the under a spell. CR, you're up.
1:34:40 Speaker 06 I'll take MI3 for Mission Impossible movie. I'm gonna wait for the very last moment before I have to reap what I sow with 2000s.
1:34:47 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:34:48 Speaker 06 Okay.
1:34:48 Sean Fennessey? Uh, no words on MI3?
1:34:50 Speaker 06 Uh, this is the J.J. Abrams one. Philip Seymour Hoffman is the best villain in the history of this franchise. And this is the most human quote unquote that Ethan Hunt ever is in the whole entire franchise. I know that it's belittled as a TV movie on certain podcasts on the Ringer Network. Don't really understand that, but.
1:35:10 Sean Fennessey? It looks like television. That's what I mean by it.
1:35:12 Speaker 06 You guys, this new bit post-COVID where you're like, it's TV, so it's bad. And like, this movie does not look like television.
1:35:19 Sean Fennessey? Wow, a little defensive.
1:35:20 Speaker 06 It does. I've heard this thing before and I was just like, there's some respect.
1:35:25 Sean Fennessey? It's he was making Alias and it looks like an episode of Alias with a bigger budget. It just does. I'm sorry to say.
1:35:31 Speaker 06 All right. Why are you giggling? It's like.
1:35:35 Speaker 08 They hate TV.
1:35:36 Speaker 06 We finally, how long did it take to get?
1:35:38 Sean Fennessey? We got him. We got him.
1:35:39 Speaker 06 Dan Lindell shot it. I don't know who that is. Apparently not Bill Mostignan, but still.
1:35:46 Speaker 08 You know, weird when Philip Seymour Hoffman just gets on screen with a bunch of veteran actors and just shows how much fucking better he is than everybody who's fucking.
1:35:55 Sean Fennessey? He's phenomenal in it. There's no question about it. He's amazing in that movie. He is a great villain. The rabbit's foot is a great aspect of the film. But it it is like commits every J.J. Abrams sin of the book to me. Like unresolved storylines that that are supposed to be the most important thing in the world, shooting every scene like it's an episode of 30 something like, I don't know.
1:36:15 Speaker 06 Look like 30 something.
1:36:16 Sean Fennessey? Go back and watch the 30 scene.
1:36:18 Speaker 06 The Carrie Russell cold open is so fucking sick.
1:36:21 Sean Fennessey? You're just, you're, you're, the eye thing has got you cooked. You just think that that was the coolest thing of all time. It was cool.
1:36:27 Speaker 08 Episode of 30 something.
1:36:28 Sean Fennessey? You know, it's cool. They put a, they put a fuse in her eye.
1:36:30 Speaker 08 Timothy Busfield.
1:36:33 Speaker 07 I really like Hoffman's performance in that movie and I think it was a good pick, Sierra.
1:36:36 Speaker 06 Thanks, man.
1:36:37 Speaker 07 Don't get bullied by these movie snobs. Take it from Sam. Going on Letterboxd. Two and a half stars, Mission Impossible 3, it's a TV movie. Oh, yes.
1:36:49 Sean Fennessey? Have you even seen it? Honestly.
1:36:51 Speaker 07 Mission Impossible 3? Hoffman's really, I like him.
1:36:54 Speaker 08 He's fucking amazing in it.
1:36:55 Speaker 07 It's the whole reason.
1:36:56 Sean Fennessey? He's got the fucking gun.
1:36:57 Speaker 08 He's actually maybe the only good villain that they've had.
1:37:00 Sean Fennessey? Don't make me do this!
1:37:01 Speaker 08 The only, the only memorable villain from the series ever to me.
1:37:04 Sean Fennessey? He's the only one?
1:37:05 Speaker 08 Memorable villain from the Mission Impossible series ever.
1:37:08 Sean Fennessey? You drafted Fallout, which has Sean Harris.
1:37:10 Speaker 08 I know, but Fallout, but it's not, I didn't draft it because of him. Like, I drafted because, but I think that, I don't think of these movies.
1:37:17 Speaker 06 I love Sean Harris, they way overcommitted to Sean Harris in the back half of this franchise.
1:37:22 Speaker 06 And now it's like, isn't the bad guy AI? Come on, man.
1:37:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I'm here, I'm with you. I, well, we'll talk about it. Okay.
1:37:29 Sean Fennessey? Kind of hard to weigh in on that right now.
1:37:30 Speaker 06 He's beautiful, man.
1:37:30 Speaker 08 What's left on the board for me? Can somebody?
1:37:33 Speaker 07 You have a, you took Mission Impossible, you have a wild card left, and you have, uh, 90s.
1:37:40 Speaker 08 Oh, 90s, okay, cool. Oof.
1:37:43 Speaker 07 Not a lot of 90s left.
1:37:44 Speaker 08 Not a lot of 90s left. I may end up having to take a movie that I actually don't like very much.
1:37:47 Sean Fennessey? Right now is why I took A Few Good Men first overall. Because I was a little nervous about where we're at.
1:37:52 Speaker 07 That's why I took Jerry Maguire with my sixth pick in the draft.
1:37:55 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. There are, there are, I think there are two 90s films left that have gone on.
1:38:00 Speaker 08 I'm gonna have the draft one next.
1:38:01 Sean Fennessey? You, you, you are going to have to.
1:38:02 Speaker 08 Yeah.
1:38:04 Speaker 06 My wild card's gonna be an episode of Alias.
1:38:05 Sean Fennessey? It's your turn.
1:38:06 Speaker 08 Oh, it's my turn?
1:38:06 Speaker 06 I've watched once.
1:38:07 Speaker 08 Um, so I got two 90s movies that I could take, um...
1:38:19 Speaker 08 I, I, I, you know, you know.
1:38:22 Speaker 06 Go with your heart, it's what's been guiding you, right?
1:38:24 Speaker 08 Yeah, I'm gonna take Far and Away.
1:38:26 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, my god. Are you kidding?
1:38:29 Speaker 08 No, I swear to God.
1:38:30 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, thank you, but like between those two, that it is the literally the worst Irish accent I've ever seen in my entire life.
1:38:35 Speaker 08 I'm gonna take Far and Away. Look, I'm gonna be honest with you. I have, this is why I didn't take Interview with the Vampire. I do not like that movie.
1:38:44 Sean Fennessey? Me neither.
1:38:44 Speaker 08 I, that movie is, and I have tried over and over and over again for, since the time that the movie came out, to appreciate that movie, particularly now.
1:38:57 Speaker 07 What is there to appreciate?
1:38:58 Speaker 08 Um, particularly now, when there is a Interview with the Vampire show that is on, that I feel like does the source material better.
1:39:07 Speaker 07 Joanna loves that show.
1:39:08 Speaker 08 Does the stat better. I love that show as well. I do not like Interview with the Vampire. Far and Away is at least a movie that I've seen a bunch of times. It's weird.
1:39:18 Speaker 07 Like the boxing.
1:39:19 Speaker 08 It's stupid.
1:39:19 Speaker 07 The bare knuckle boxing.
1:39:20 Speaker 08 The boxing, the scene at the end, the coming back to life bullshit, whatever, all of that stuff. I'm, I'm gonna take Far and Away, like.
1:39:29 Sean Fennessey? It's an affront to Ireland and it should not be supported, but I understand. I have a spoiler-y question.
1:39:35 Amanda Dobbins? Uh huh.
1:39:36 Speaker 08 Well, I said affront to Ireland, I don't remember.
1:39:38 Sean Fennessey? Whatever, Cruz's performance is just. He's like, I heard those great lines in a film. Doing CR, doing Bono.
1:39:44 Speaker 08 But it, it looks beautiful, like I, I, I just, I, I got down to the end of it and I cannot take, I cannot take Interview with the Vampire. I do not like that movie very much.
1:39:55 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, well, that's my opinion.
1:39:57 Speaker 07 You know, the only thing that was good about Interview with the Vampire is that one photo of them on the red carpet.
1:40:02 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah.
1:40:03 Speaker 07 When Brad Pitt has the crazy hair.
1:40:05 Amanda Dobbins? He's good in it. Please respect him. Game of Kiersten, dunce.
1:40:07 Speaker 07 I just love the hairdos.
1:40:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, it's, it is a very good red carpet photo. Okay, I'm up?
1:40:12 Speaker 07 You're up.
1:40:13 Amanda Dobbins? In Oscar nominee. I will take Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning.
1:40:17 Sean Fennessey? Hmm.
1:40:18 Amanda Dobbins? Cause it was thin on the ground. And that, it got two nominations.
1:40:22 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:40:23 Speaker 07 Is that legal?
1:40:24 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:40:25 Sean Fennessey? It absolutely is.
1:40:26 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:40:26 Sean Fennessey? In fact, these were the first nominations for any Mission Impossible movie.
1:40:30 Speaker 07 Yeah, but there's only six Mission Impossible movies.
1:40:32 Amanda Dobbins? Well, there are seven.
1:40:33 Speaker 06 You could, you could go around just picking Mission Impossibles and screwing everybody, you know?
1:40:37 Sean Fennessey? Well, I, what if I just decided to do that to you with my next pick?
1:40:41 Speaker 07 So what, I wouldn't get one?
1:40:42 Sean Fennessey? You would be not qualified to win this draft.
1:40:44 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:40:44 Speaker 06 Oh. Take that, Sam Presti.
1:40:47 Speaker 07 No, I.
1:40:48 Sean Fennessey? Now. Sounds like you don't know the rules, William.
1:40:50 Speaker 07 I thought Mission Impossibles were, were their own category and we couldn't take them in other categories.
1:40:55 Sean Fennessey? That was not communicated.
1:40:56 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. I waited, pretty waited in the game.
1:41:00 Sean Fennessey? Mission Impossible: The Reckoning, in my opinion, is a legitimately bad movie.
1:41:05 Amanda Dobbins? I, I did not think it was that successful. He does ride the motorcycle off the cliff. And I like, and there's also the scene with him and Haley Atwell in Rome, the like very, the tiny car. Which I like, I genuinely thought was wonderful. I mean, the, the entity stuff is total garbage.
1:41:23 Sean Fennessey? Well.
1:41:26 Speaker 06 What do you have left?
1:41:27 Sean Fennessey? There's literally only two blockbusters out of his 21 that are still on the board and I have not taken my blockbuster.
1:41:36 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:41:37 Sean Fennessey? I believe I've got that correct. Oh, I know what you're gonna take. Tell me what I'm gonna take. War of the Worlds.
1:41:42 Amanda Dobbins? No, I did that. Tom Cruise does a sports thing.
1:41:44 Sean Fennessey? Oh, so I guess a sports thing you should do. I would love if War of the Worlds was there.
1:41:47 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:41:48 Sean Fennessey? No, I misspoke. There are three.
1:41:50 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:41:52 Sean Fennessey? And I'll be taking The Last Samurai.
1:41:54 Amanda Dobbins? Interesting.
1:41:56 Sean Fennessey? Because it's easily the best movie that's left of the three and it's a good film.
1:42:01 Speaker 07 Point seven eight on IMDb or seven point eight out of 10. Yeah.
1:42:06 Speaker 06 It's exactly what it is.
1:42:07 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:42:08 Speaker 07 A seven point eight out of 10?
1:42:09 Sean Fennessey? Incredible battle.
1:42:10 Speaker 06 Maybe more like a seven.
1:42:11 Sean Fennessey? Incredible battle sequences, great Ken Watanabe performance, amazing score, it looks good. It's a little slow and boring at times for sure, but, and it's not as white savior as I remembered. I rewatched it in the, during COVID and uh, it's, it's same way with The Dances of the Wolves where I was like, I thought I was gonna rewatch it and. It was gonna be a white savior movie, but it's the opposite of that. It's like this is actually worthy, very respectful of the culture. Nevertheless, I need a blockbuster.
1:42:38 Speaker 08 He becomes the greatest samurai in the whole country.
1:42:41 Speaker 06 It's not the greatest. He doesn't actually. I don't think he's like.
1:42:43 Sean Fennessey? He becomes like a great general to the Japanese people.
1:42:46 Speaker 08 He's fucking over some people with samurai skills. They've been doing it their whole life. Look, it's fine. I like the movie. Do you know why I like it? I like down and out alcoholic cruise.
1:42:56 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:42:57 Speaker 08 I thought it was.
1:42:57 Speaker 06 That's good.
1:42:58 Speaker 08 I thought it was a.
1:42:59 Speaker 06 It's kind of like what would happen to Brian Flanagan if he became a samurai?
1:43:02 Speaker 08 I thought it was a Tony Stark.
1:43:04 Speaker 06 Now I have my attention.
1:43:07 Speaker 06 Cocktail ate samurai.
1:43:11 Sean Fennessey? And I think there's only one reasonable pick to be made in 21st century. And so I'm going to make it. It's American made. It's the other Doug Liman movie.
1:43:19 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:43:19 Sean Fennessey? About a pilot who is, becomes a smuggler and slowly loses his mind and goes on crazy runs. And because I think everything else in the 21st century is pretty much dog shit.
1:43:32 Speaker 08 Pilot from where?
1:43:33 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:43:33 Speaker 06 Really?
1:43:33 Sean Fennessey? Maybe I'm forgetting about a movie.
1:43:35 Speaker 06 I mean, I just, I, you really think Valkyrie is dog shit?
1:43:39 Sean Fennessey? I didn't think it's not good.
1:43:41 Amanda Dobbins? I, I, I think it's okay. I won't make fun of you. I mean, it's not good.
1:43:46 Speaker 08 What's this bully in CR?
1:43:47 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:43:47 Speaker 06 He's not bullying me. I just like, I, I think Sean is just virtue signaling. Because he's like, I'm not, I'm not into Valkyrie. It's like.
1:43:56 Sean Fennessey? Signaling that I'm not into Nazi propaganda directed by Brian Singer?
1:44:00 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:44:00 Speaker 06 It's not, they're not Nazis. That's awful.
1:44:03 Speaker 08 They're anti-Nazis.
1:44:04 Sean Fennessey? They're anti Hitler. They are Nazis. They are.
1:44:06 Speaker 08 But it happened in real life, did it not?
1:44:08 Sean Fennessey? It's based on some events.
1:44:10 Speaker 08 So the shit didn't happen? Brian Singer just made it up?
1:44:13 Sean Fennessey? It's, it's a heavily fictionalized account of an attempt on Hitler's life that didn't actually come to pass.
1:44:20 Speaker 08 Interesting. They acted like they.
1:44:22 Sean Fennessey? You know, it's, I, I, I get, I know that you love movies from that, like made during that, about that era.
1:44:27 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:44:27 Sean Fennessey? And it has like a spy thriller quality to it.
1:44:29 Speaker 06 It might not even be available. Amanda's got a pick now.
1:44:31 Speaker 08 About the one, Barry Seals from.
1:44:33 Speaker 06 He's not a Nazi. Yeah, he's a Wehrmacht.
1:44:37 Amanda Dobbins? I mean.
1:44:37 Speaker 06 He's Colonel Claus von Stauffenberg.
1:44:40 Sean Fennessey? He's a post Weimar Republic German. He's not exactly like a hero to the Jews in that movie.
1:44:46 Amanda Dobbins? Exactly. Okay.
1:44:48 Speaker 06 Yeah, Chris?
1:44:50 Sean Fennessey? Come on. Actually, Colonel Von Stauffen was a good man.
1:44:56 Speaker 07 I uh, I've not seen that movie since I saw it whenever I.
1:45:00 Sean Fennessey? When you came out of the theater, were you like Valkyrie that rocked?
1:45:01 Speaker 07 I didn't see that one in the theater. I patched German Cruise. No, thank you. Yeah.
1:45:05 Speaker 06 Yeah. He doesn't bother with the German accent.
1:45:07 Sean Fennessey? No, I actually, I respect that when they do that.
1:45:10 Amanda Dobbins? I do too. I don't know. Like there's a.
1:45:11 Sean Fennessey? They're English.
1:45:12 Speaker 06 It's just, they just do English and Cruise does American.
1:45:14 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:45:15 Amanda Dobbins? Um, so I have eighties left, which is just.
1:45:20 Amanda Dobbins? It's, that's a real, I'm in a, I'm in a tough spot. So I might just do wild card to have some fun.
1:45:25 Sean Fennessey? Go for it.
1:45:26 Amanda Dobbins? Um, I'm, I'm wondering, so it, are only feature films eligible or is something filmed and related to?
1:45:34 Sean Fennessey? Only feature.
1:45:34 Amanda Dobbins? So I can't do motion smoothing?
1:45:36 Sean Fennessey? No, that is not eligible.
1:45:37 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I think that I should be allowed to.
1:45:39 Sean Fennessey? You should not.
1:45:41 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, do you know about this? The motion smoothing video where he and Christopher, Christopher McCory filmed like a two minute info of like, here's how to turn off motion smoothing in your home.
1:45:50 Speaker 07 I remember it.
1:45:51 Amanda Dobbins? It's very special, but I'm not allowed to pick that.
1:45:52 Speaker 07 I obeyed it and used it because Tom Cruise told me to.
1:45:55 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, there you go. Um.
1:45:59 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm. Hmm. What am I gonna do here? I mean, I thought you guys were like pretty rude about Interview with the Vampire. Um.
1:46:10 Sean Fennessey? You can take it.
1:46:11 Amanda Dobbins? There's that.
1:46:12 Speaker 08 It's a cultural phenomenon.
1:46:13 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:46:14 Speaker 08 First time Cruise and Pitt together.
1:46:16 Amanda Dobbins? Again.
1:46:17 Speaker 08 Everyone was very.
1:46:17 Sean Fennessey? There's two Mission Impossible movies on the board.
1:46:19 Amanda Dobbins? I know. And I'm like trying to figure out whether to be a real dick to, to Bill.
1:46:23 Sean Fennessey? Mm hmm.
1:46:24 Amanda Dobbins? Um, but I.
1:46:26 Speaker 07 Do what you want.
1:46:27 Amanda Dobbins? I know, I know. And you also have one and it'll be fine. And, you know, I know I said some slightly rude things about Cameron Diaz.
1:46:38 Amanda Dobbins? But I gotta tell you, Night and Day is not the worst movie still on the board. So.
1:46:43 Sean Fennessey? I can't believe on the pod where you dissed Cameron Diaz in Vanilla Sky, giving one of her best performances, you're gonna take one of her worst movies.
1:46:49 Amanda Dobbins? I think that you and I like different things about Cameron Diaz, you know? So, and that's fine. The, the world is, is large and, and has room for both performances.
1:46:57 Sean Fennessey? Are you sure you don't want Valkyrie?
1:46:59 Speaker 06 Do you think she's better in Vanilla Sky or The Counselor?
1:47:03 Sean Fennessey? Counselor's one.
1:47:04 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, Counselor is like way better. She's good. The, obviously the climactic scene in Vanilla Sky, she's good. But when, when she, and talking, speaking of bedroom scenes. The first time you see her when they're supposed to have just had sex is like the chasm between two people has never been greater. It's really.
1:47:22 Sean Fennessey? It's a recurring theme in these Cruz films. So you're taking Night and Day?
1:47:26 Amanda Dobbins? No, I don't think I'm gonna take Night and Day. Um, I wanna leave it for Chris, uh, because.
1:47:33 Speaker 07 So you're not gonna take Night and Day after we just talked about it for three minutes? What was that?
1:47:39 Sean Fennessey? Welcome to my life.
1:47:42 Speaker 07 Why did we just do that?
1:47:43 Amanda Dobbins? Everybody else is just talking about movies for 15 minutes because it's a podcast.
1:47:47 Speaker 07 You set it up for three minutes like you were taking it and then you're like, but I'm not gonna take it.
1:47:51 Amanda Dobbins? But I'm filibustering. I don't, I don't know. Why are you turning, why are you turning on me before I?
1:47:57 Speaker 07 I was excited for the Night and Day pick. I thought it was a good pick.
1:47:59 Speaker 08 You can make her pay for it. You can make her pay for it right now.
1:48:01 Amanda Dobbins? I know, but it's just, maybe you could have said that in a supportive way instead of saying like, what's wrong with you?
1:48:07 Speaker 08 It's International Women's Month.
1:48:08 Speaker 06 Wasn't the Night and Day promo tour was when he went to like seven continents in 24 hours?
1:48:13 Sean Fennessey? That's when he did the Young Jock.
1:48:14 Amanda Dobbins? With the motorcycle going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
1:48:16 Speaker 08 Remember when he went on 106 and Park and did the Young Jock dance? Oh shit, I do, that was out of my mind, but you know how big of a fucking deal it was for Tom Cruise to have gone on 106? Cause he had been on there before. Um.
1:48:30 Sean Fennessey? I think the one when he did it was when it was like, it was like an award show. Maybe it was BT Awards?
1:48:34 Speaker 08 He went on 106 apart for collateral and it was like a big fucking deal that he was on there. TC, give it back to him.
1:48:41 Speaker 07 I don't think Diaz never dated him.
1:48:43 Speaker 08 Who?
1:48:44 Speaker 06 Cam?
1:48:45 Amanda Dobbins? No, was this in the?
1:48:46 Speaker 07 I don't think Sparks flew in the set.
1:48:50 Speaker 07 Maybe she was with Justin Timberlake?
1:48:52 Amanda Dobbins? Alright, fine. I'll do Night and Day and Wild Card.
1:48:54 Speaker 08 Okay, cool.
1:48:55 Amanda Dobbins? Why not?
1:48:55 Speaker 08 You got bullied into it.
1:48:56 Amanda Dobbins? That's fine. I mean, like.
1:48:58 Speaker 07 There's no movies left.
1:49:00 Sean Fennessey? Night and Day and Wild Card you got?
1:49:01 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:49:02 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:49:03 Speaker 06 So you still have 80s left?
1:49:04 Amanda Dobbins? I do, but you know.
1:49:05 Speaker 07 There's no 80s movies left.
1:49:07 Amanda Dobbins? There is. There's one.
1:49:07 Speaker 07 Well, there's one.
1:49:08 Sean Fennessey? There's two. There's two.
1:49:09 Speaker 08 There's two left. It's my turn to draft?
1:49:12 Sean Fennessey? Yeah.
1:49:12 Speaker 07 Yes.
1:49:13 Speaker 08 So I'm doing Wild Card. I'm taking Legend.
1:49:15 Amanda Dobbins? Oh my God.
1:49:19 Amanda Dobbins? Oh my God.
1:49:22 Amanda Dobbins? You could have picked anything. You could have picked anything.
1:49:25 Speaker 06 You could have like Mission Impossible three, two.
1:49:28 Speaker 08 But I'm picking.
1:49:31 Amanda Dobbins? It's like I honestly, like I don't like Legends, so me having to pick it would have been dishonest. So.
1:49:37 Sean Fennessey? Tim Curry is incredible in Legend. I love what Tim Curry is up to. The rest of the movie, I don't like at all.
1:49:43 Speaker 08 I think Legend is cool. I like unicorns.
1:49:45 Sean Fennessey? Ridley Scott.
1:49:46 Speaker 08 Ridley Scott. I think Legend is cool. And like, it's a movie that I've watched a lot. It was gonna be between Legend and Oblivion for my wild card. And I don't think.
1:49:55 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:49:56 Speaker 08 I don't think I can have Oblivion on my team, even though I like Oblivion. Think Oblivion was okay. Are you, are you an effective team? That's what she says.
1:50:05 Sean Fennessey? That is what she says. Oblivion is an important movie because without Oblivion, we don't get Top Gun Maverick. Cause Joseph Kaczynski directs him in that movie.
1:50:14 Speaker 07 I'm taking Ghost Protocol. I was hoping it would be on the board.
1:50:17 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah. I loved it.
1:50:19 Sean Fennessey? Good, good value. Good value. I could have taken it from you for 21st century, but I did not do that.
1:50:23 Speaker 07 I like that movie.
1:50:24 Amanda Dobbins? I could have taken it in wild card and I didn't, mostly because you shamed me.
1:50:28 Speaker 07 Well, you did a three minute preamble for Night and Day.
1:50:30 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, excuse me for talking on a podcast.
1:50:33 Speaker 07 It's just you set it up.
1:50:37 Speaker 07 It was like, like on The Bachelor when they seem like they're gonna propose and then they're like, they do the but.
1:50:45 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that's called.
1:50:45 Speaker 07 I don't feel like I'm up there.
1:50:47 Amanda Dobbins? That's called great television making, okay?
1:50:48 Sean Fennessey? Everything I ever wanted in a Cameron Diaz movie. I was moved by your performance. I'm so happy I'm in this position right now.
1:50:55 Speaker 07 But.
1:50:55 Sean Fennessey? But.
1:50:57 Speaker 07 But Ghost Protocol has the building scene.
1:50:59 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:51:00 Sean Fennessey? Virg Khalifa.
1:51:01 Speaker 07 And also has Paul Patton, who I think is just smoking. He's really like her.
1:51:04 Amanda Dobbins? And also Lea Siqueira.
1:51:05 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. And Josh Holloway.
1:51:07 Speaker 07 And also
1:51:10 Speaker 07 didn't revive the franchise, but I think three was pretty polarizing. And then Ghost Protocol's after.
1:51:15 Sean Fennessey? Ghost Protocol's where Renner comes in, right?
1:51:16 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:51:16 Sean Fennessey? Yes. It was gonna be the attempted handoff and then he didn't. He was like, I actually, I'm gonna hold.
1:51:20 Speaker 07 I like it.
1:51:21 Sean Fennessey? It's good. I think it's my third favorite.
1:51:23 Speaker 08 Ghost Protocol didn't revive the franchise, but it's a very important one.
1:51:28 Speaker 07 Jiminy did it?
1:51:28 Speaker 08 Yeah, it kind of.
1:51:29 Sean Fennessey? It shows that it can be a long running.
1:51:31 Speaker 08 That it's durable. Yeah. It got, it got a little younger, a little sexier.
1:51:35 Sean Fennessey? Yep.
1:51:35 Speaker 08 You know, got all the old guys out of it. So Ghost Protocol was very important in it.
1:51:40 Speaker 07 So this is my last pick?
1:51:41 Speaker 08 Yeah, you're done.
1:51:42 Sean Fennessey? Your last pick wild card?
1:51:47 Speaker 07 I mean, Reacher 2 is still out there.
1:51:49 Sean Fennessey? This is really tough having me the last pick in this draft.
1:51:52 Speaker 07 Three minute, Amanda.
1:51:55 Speaker 07 Prelim and then not take Reacher 2.
1:51:58 Sean Fennessey? I think going first was the worst position.
1:52:00 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, I mean, I didn't want it.
1:52:04 Amanda Dobbins? Of all the things to be mad about, that I talked about a film for three minutes.
1:52:08 Speaker 07 Wasn't mad.
1:52:10 Speaker 07 Confused.
1:52:14 Speaker 07 Don't say that I'm mad.
1:52:16 Speaker 08 I wasn't mad.
1:52:17 Speaker 07 You'd be mad if I took Losing It with Tom Cruise right now. Which I think is the last 80s movie.
1:52:22 Amanda Dobbins? There's one more.
1:52:23 Sean Fennessey? There is one more.
1:52:24 Speaker 07 Losing It and Endless Love, two classics.
1:52:30 Speaker 07 Well, shit. I mean, if you're gonna do, Oblivion's pretty good. Did that get taken yet?
1:52:37 Amanda Dobbins? No.
1:52:38 Speaker 07 What was the plot of Oblivion?
1:52:40 Speaker 06 It's the little globes that fly around and then Morgan Freeman's got all the books underground.
1:52:44 Speaker 08 They're living in a post-apocalyptic world.
1:52:46 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:52:47 Speaker 08 And there's actually a lot of clones of Tom Cruise.
1:52:49 Speaker 06 And Andrea Riseborough's controlling everything from a little tower.
1:52:52 Speaker 08 From a tower. And you think that the tower's the good guys, the tower's the bad guys, the aliens are...
1:52:56 Speaker 07 Yeah, I like that. I'm gonna take that as my wild card. I only saw it once, but I think it's good value.
1:53:03 Speaker 07 Did you think about Rock of Ages there? It's a reprehensible movie. It's really bad.
1:53:09 Speaker 08 It's like fucking terrible.
1:53:10 Sean Fennessey? I think it's his worst film.
1:53:11 Speaker 07 It's really awful, so I couldn't do it.
1:53:13 Sean Fennessey? I, that's the one movie that needs to go undrafted in this.
1:53:17 Speaker 07 The undrafted list is gonna be really fun. You made 46, so six aren't getting drafted.
1:53:21 Sean Fennessey? Yes, although one of them is the final, is The New Mission Impossible. So that's five movies then, basically, that have come out.
1:53:29 Speaker 07 What a list that's gonna be.
1:53:30 Sean Fennessey? We're almost there.
1:53:31 Speaker 06 I've got two left, two picks left.
1:53:33 Speaker 07 No, one pick.
1:53:34 Speaker 06 21st, what was, I didn't pick wild card.
1:53:38 Sean Fennessey? Did we skip you?
1:53:39 Speaker 06 I think you might have skipped me, but it doesn't matter.
1:53:41 Speaker 07 No, we didn't skip you. I see C R, oh, I think you did get skipped.
1:53:45 Sean Fennessey? Bill skipped you.
1:53:46 Speaker 06 Okay.
1:53:47 Speaker 07 I didn't skip you.
1:53:47 Speaker 06 That's all right. I'm gonna stand by my original bit and I'm gonna go Valkyrie for 21st Century.
1:53:53 Sean Fennessey? Okay. Then we're gonna go right back to you. Do you wanna pontificate now on defending the perspective?
1:53:59 Speaker 06 I keep looking for funny things to say, but they're all like Brian Singer quotes, so I'm just gonna skip.
1:54:05 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:54:09 Sean Fennessey? Congrats on that.
1:54:11 Speaker 06 He did call.
1:54:12 Speaker 07 I'm under a gag order.
1:54:14 Speaker 06 Funstalpenberg humanist.
1:54:16 Sean Fennessey? A humanist. Certainly.
1:54:18 Amanda Dobbins? Great.
1:54:18 Speaker 06 And my wild card, I wish we could do kind of like fun stuff, you know, outside of the feature films.
1:54:27 Speaker 07 I still think we should have done girlfriends.
1:54:28 Speaker 06 I was gonna do the, the, the Paris Olympic stunt.
1:54:31 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, yeah, that's a good one.
1:54:33 Speaker 06 Um, that would be.
1:54:34 Amanda Dobbins? Also, Tom Cruise doing a sport? Skydiving a sport?
1:54:38 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:54:39 Speaker 08 We could know, uh, Tom, Tom Cruise pop culture moment could have been a category.
1:54:44 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, I would go, what was it? Ninety or two thousand VMAs with Stiller. It's a big one. Tom Cruise and the Tom Cruise stunt double Tom Cruise, C R O O Z.
1:54:55 Amanda Dobbins? Sure.
1:54:57 Speaker 06 Uh, so yeah, I just get another pick.
1:54:59 Sean Fennessey? You can pick a film.
1:55:00 Speaker 06 Yeah, I'll go. And nobody picked it. I guess like I'll do Mission Two.
1:55:06 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:55:06 Sean Fennessey? Great.
1:55:07 Speaker 06 John Woo Motorcycle Worth It Alone.
1:55:10 Speaker 08 Movies having a little bit of a resurgence.
1:55:11 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:55:12 Speaker 08 People are revisiting whether or not, uh, Mission Two was as bad as.
1:55:15 Speaker 06 And he's returned to that hair, too.
1:55:17 Sean Fennessey? He has.
1:55:18 Speaker 07 I like John Woo, so, yeah.
1:55:20 Speaker 06 Yeah.
1:55:21 Speaker 07 I don't mind it. Good value. Could be worse. You could be Amanda looking in an eighties movie.
1:55:26 Amanda Dobbins? You could be me about to, uh, take Endless Love in, in eighties, so.
1:55:31 Sean Fennessey? Is that what you were going to do?
1:55:31 Speaker 07 How many minutes was he even in?
1:55:33 Speaker 08 He's, he's in, he's in like three scenes, right?
1:55:34 Sean Fennessey? I think it's like two scenes.
1:55:35 Amanda Dobbins? No, I watched them. I watched the two scenes. Yeah, it's, but it's.
1:55:39 Speaker 07 What does he do? What's his, what's his part?
1:55:41 Amanda Dobbins? He like tells, he gives the guy the idea to burn the house down.
1:55:45 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
1:55:46 Speaker 07 Oh.
1:55:47 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:55:47 Sean Fennessey? Billy. He plays.
1:55:49 Speaker 08 What a fucked movie.
1:55:50 Sean Fennessey? Do you know who directed the film Endless Love?
1:55:54 Amanda Dobbins? I do.
1:55:55 Sean Fennessey? Italian cinema master Franco Zeffarelli. Of Romeo and Juliet fame.
1:56:00 Speaker 07 Wow.
1:56:00 Sean Fennessey? That's the first, is it the first movie the Cruise made? I think it is.
1:56:03 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:56:04 Sean Fennessey? I think it's before losing it.
1:56:05 Speaker 07 Incredible, uh, theme song, though.
1:56:07 Sean Fennessey? Very popular.
1:56:08 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, this also, Endless Love was also eligible in Oscar nominee.
1:56:11 Sean Fennessey? Is it Donna Summer? Who sings that song?
1:56:13 Speaker 07 No, it was Lana Richie and Diana Ross.
1:56:15 Sean Fennessey? Diana Ross, yes, yes.
1:56:19 Sean Fennessey? Okay, well.
1:56:22 Speaker 06 What are you gonna pick?
1:56:23 Sean Fennessey? Richard Two?
1:56:24 Speaker 07 It's an emotional one.
1:56:25 Amanda Dobbins? Oh.
1:56:26 Sean Fennessey? You guys skipped Van.
1:56:28 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, we skipped Van again?
1:56:29 Sean Fennessey? We skipped Van.
1:56:30 Speaker 08 No, you didn't.
1:56:31 Sean Fennessey? And Van still has to do Blockbuster.
1:56:33 Amanda Dobbins? Is there any Blockbusters left?
1:56:36 Speaker 10 Interview with a Vampire.
1:56:37 Sean Fennessey? There is one and it's the one.
1:56:43 Sean Fennessey? I thought that I, are you sure I didn't pick Blockbuster?
1:56:46 Speaker 10 I'm positive. Cause also you didn't, you, you have a whole other category still. We, we, we just skipped over you. Chris just picked his last one, then there would be you next, then Amanda, and then Sean would finish.
1:56:56 Sean Fennessey? We got a little out of sorts in the end there, cause Phil went ahead of Chris and then Chris went to Amanda. So you have Interview with the Vampire. Yeah. You got Endless Love, you got MI2.
1:57:07 Speaker 06 And Valkyrie.
1:57:09 Speaker 06 Can I, can I make a request?
1:57:11 Sean Fennessey? I have another pick left.
1:57:12 Speaker 06 I know, but this is just a personal thing. When you guys do the social card, don't make it seem like I drafted Valkyrie first.
1:57:19 Sean Fennessey? Do you just go eight Valkyries for you? Would that be more accurate to your taste? Okay, Van gets Interview with the Vampire. I mean, let's just talk about what's left.
1:57:27 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
1:57:28 Sean Fennessey? For the last pick for my wild card. Okay. Losing it.
1:57:31 Speaker 06 Mm-hmm.
1:57:31 Sean Fennessey? Still on the board. Lions for Lambs, still on the board. Awful.
1:57:35 Speaker 06 Your beloved.
1:57:35 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:57:36 Sean Fennessey? Rock of Ages, still on the board. Terrible.
1:57:38 Speaker 06 Never seen it. Won't see it.
1:57:41 Sean Fennessey? Really tough Aniston performance. The Mummy, still on the board. Fucking abominable.
1:57:46 Speaker 07 Terrible movie.
1:57:47 Sean Fennessey? And Jack Reacher Never Go Back.
1:57:49 Speaker 07 Oh, you have.
1:57:50 Speaker 06 Honestly.
1:57:51 Sean Fennessey? It is obviously. Jack Reacher Never Go Back. Oh, wait a minute.
1:57:54 Speaker 07 I almost took it.
1:57:55 Sean Fennessey? I should have taken Jack Reacher Never Go Back. It, it didn't cross a hundred mil.
1:57:58 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
1:57:59 Sean Fennessey? Really?
1:57:59 Speaker 06 Yeah. It was, it was kinda bombed, didn't it?
1:58:01 Sean Fennessey? It did. It did kinda bomb. Interesting.
1:58:03 Speaker 06 I think you and I saw it in the.
1:58:05 Speaker 07 Did we see two? I thought we saw one in the theaters.
1:58:07 Speaker 06 I think I saw two with you maybe in the.
1:58:09 Sean Fennessey? We definitely saw it in theaters. It made fifty-eight million domestic.
1:58:12 Speaker 07 Oh, so that's a huge bomb.
1:58:14 Sean Fennessey? It was a big bomb. Uh, but that gives me two Ed Zwick movies on my board.
1:58:19 Speaker 07 Wow. Double Zwick.
1:58:23 Sean Fennessey? Okay.
1:58:23 Speaker 07 Those are some bad movies, by the way. We can't do Girlfriends as the last category? Go ahead, Sean.
1:58:29 Sean Fennessey? Um.
1:58:31 Speaker 06 Love Interest.
1:58:32 Speaker 07 Love Interest.
1:58:33 Sean Fennessey? Eighties Mimi Rogers. No, no question. That's a, that's a.
1:58:36 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, are we doing Snake?
1:58:37 Sean Fennessey? It's a fastball down the middle for me.
1:58:40 Speaker 07 Is it Van or Chris?
1:58:42 Sean Fennessey? Van.
1:58:42 Speaker 06 I'll go.
1:58:43 Sean Fennessey? It's Van, it's Van.
1:58:44 Speaker 06 I'll go, I mean, I just.
1:58:45 Amanda Dobbins? No, it's Van, it's Van.
1:58:46 Speaker 06 Oh, it's Van, yeah.
1:58:47 Speaker 08 Um, I have to go Ana de Armas then.
1:58:51 Amanda Dobbins? I, okay, I mean.
1:58:52 Speaker 06 Wait, over Kidman?
1:58:54 Speaker 08 Yeah.
1:58:54 Speaker 06 I got Kidman.
1:58:55 Speaker 07 I mean, Australians.
1:58:57 Speaker 06 Well, I just, you guys.
1:58:58 Sean Fennessey? What are we basing it on? You said you weren't into Kidman.
1:59:00 Speaker 06 I'm saying I just don't like him, like her for him.
1:59:02 Sean Fennessey? Is this like a Valkyrie situation where like if it could be your version of Kidman, then she would be the hero that you wanted?
1:59:09 Speaker 07 I'm gonna go.
1:59:09 Speaker 06 Kidman is a guy.
1:59:10 Speaker 07 I have two picks. I'm gonna go Demorday.
1:59:12 Speaker 06 Uh huh.
1:59:13 Speaker 07 Katie Holmes.
1:59:14 Sean Fennessey? Oh, that's, uh, you great value.
1:59:16 Speaker 08 See, I wouldn't, I wouldn't take Katie Holmes.
1:59:18 Speaker 06 That's right, because Harry Dean Stanton showed up on the set and was like, stop fucking around with Rebecca Demorday, and they still went through.
1:59:24 Sean Fennessey? Did he ever take a trip around the block with Salma Hayek? Was that ever a thing?
1:59:28 Amanda Dobbins? Hmm, I'm Googling Tom Cruise dating history right now.
1:59:31 Speaker 08 Yeah, give us some names that we didn't know.
1:59:33 Speaker 06 Did he ever have, like, you know what?
1:59:35 Sean Fennessey? Like a Daphne Zuniga in there or something?
1:59:36 Amanda Dobbins? If, are we, are we, are we going back around? Because.
1:59:39 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, yeah, sure.
1:59:40 Amanda Dobbins? Um, he was rumored with Haley Atwell.
1:59:42 Speaker 06 I just said.
1:59:43 Amanda Dobbins? Who is another of my, like, I, like, I would marry Haley Atwell two days.
1:59:47 Sean Fennessey? Conclusion from Mimi Rogers. She is like the, she is the sequel.
1:59:51 Speaker 08 Why is that?
1:59:52 Sean Fennessey? You know why? You know why?
1:59:55 Speaker 07 What are the reasons, Sean?
1:59:57 Sean Fennessey? The reasons are the great, the stunning brunette beauty of these two wonderful, talented actors.
2:00:02 Speaker 08 Okay, so that's, that's the only reason why. I got you.
2:00:04 Speaker 07 Yeah.
2:00:04 Sean Fennessey? And the tremendous chemistry that they share with.
2:00:06 Speaker 07 Yeah.
2:00:07 Speaker 08 Tremendous.
2:00:07 Speaker 07 Thomas Mappin.
2:00:08 Speaker 08 Yeah.
2:00:11 Speaker 08 You ever see, uh, The Rapture with Mimi Rogers?
2:00:13 Sean Fennessey? Of course, yeah. Written by Michael Tolman.
2:00:16 Speaker 07 What are the girlfriends that we miss?
2:00:17 Sean Fennessey? What's going on?
2:00:18 Amanda Dobbins? Oh, just remember when he and Shakira were quote unquote dating because they were photographed together at like the, one of the F1 events?
2:00:24 Speaker 07 Oh, they like went on a date?
2:00:25 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, that was, and that was after, right, the jam or whatever. Uh.
2:00:30 Speaker 08 Who else?
2:00:30 Amanda Dobbins? Let's see, uh, we've got Ana de Armas on here, uh, Cher apparently?
2:00:37 Sean Fennessey? Nice.
2:00:37 Amanda Dobbins? In the, in the eighties?
2:00:39 Speaker 07 Uh, probably going, she's probably going undrafted.
2:00:41 Amanda Dobbins? Right, and, oh, that's, um.
2:00:46 Amanda Dobbins? Uh, Bruce Springsteen's Patty, Patty Scalfa.
2:00:49 Speaker 06 Oh.
2:00:49 Amanda Dobbins? Apparently.
2:00:50 Speaker 08 Interesting.
2:00:50 Speaker 06 Yeah. What?
2:00:51 Amanda Dobbins? That's what I'm looking at a photo after Du Monet and before Cher. Uh, Heather Locklear?
2:00:58 Speaker 08 Oh, Heather.
2:00:59 Speaker 06 Heather Locklear.
2:01:00 Speaker 08 No, we should do, we, we should.
2:01:01 Amanda Dobbins? Look at that Farrah Fawcett hair from her.
2:01:02 Speaker 08 We should draft Heather Locklear's love interests. Cause she's got the best lady roster of almost anyone.
2:01:08 Speaker 06 She ended up with Jack Wagner.
2:01:10 Sean Fennessey? Lady roster.
2:01:11 Speaker 08 Lady rosters. We never give the sisters the ladies.
2:01:14 Sean Fennessey? Sam Bora, is that a W for her? I'm not so sure.
2:01:15 Speaker 06 So, are you gonna recap?
2:01:17 Sean Fennessey? Uh, I am gonna recap. I just wanna point out one, first of all, my team sucks. Um, this is a roster for me on the Tom Cruise movie draft. Two, the five movies that went undrafted officially were Losing It, Endless Love, Lions.
2:01:28 Amanda Dobbins? No, I drafted Endless Love.
2:01:30 Speaker 08 She took, she took Endless Love.
2:01:31 Sean Fennessey? So what am I forgetting? Losing It, Lions for Lams, The Mummy, Rock of Ages. What's the fifth one that I'm not thinking of?
2:01:37 Amanda Dobbins? Um. Scrolling, scrolling, scrolling.
2:01:42 Sean Fennessey? Cause all the Mission movies went.
2:01:43 Amanda Dobbins? Um, Austin Powers and, remember? Yeah, you should've taken that.
2:01:47 Speaker 08 Fuck me.
2:01:49 Speaker 06 Oh, no.
2:01:51 Speaker 08 Fuck me. I should've thought of that.
2:01:53 Speaker 06 No. Too late. He's a cameo himself. It's a cameo, it's kind of a cameo in Tropic Thunder.
2:02:00 Speaker 08 It is. No, no, no. It is a cameo in Tropic Thunder, by the way. Horse shit. But like, I, but, uh, but I should've took that.
2:02:07 Sean Fennessey? Wild Card would've been a fun place to take that.
2:02:09 Speaker 08 Wild Card would've been a fun place to take.
2:02:10 Sean Fennessey? Okay, let's recap all of our picks.
2:02:12 Amanda Dobbins? Okay.
2:02:12 Sean Fennessey? Um, since I went first, I'll read mine first. In eighties, I got Risky Business. In nineties, I got A Few Good Men, So Far So Good, Twenty First Century, American Made, Oscar nominee, Born on the Fourth of July, Mission Impossible, I got Rogue Nation, Tom Cruise Does a Sports Thing, I got All the Right Moves, Blockbuster, I got The Last Samurai, and in Wild Card, I took Jack Reacher, Never Go Back. Which I did not expect to be drafting today. Okay, Amanda, what'd you get?
2:02:39 Amanda Dobbins? It's a really tough start for me. In eighties, Endless Love. In nineties, Magnolia. Twenty First Century, Edge of Tomorrow. Oscar nominee, Mission Impossible, Dead Reckoning. Mission Impossible, Mission Impossible. Tom Cruise Does a Sports Thing, War of the Worlds, Blockbuster, Top Gun Maverick, and Wild Card, Just for Bill, Night and Day.
2:02:58 Speaker 06 You got, you got pretty close to heaven there.
2:03:00 Amanda Dobbins? Eh, it's, I mean, in the middle, it's okay.
2:03:02 Sean Fennessey? Everybody has two or three.
2:03:04 Amanda Dobbins? No, I've got a couple that I just really didn't want to go that way.
2:03:07 Speaker 08 Bobby's gotta read mine off, cause I wasn't writing them down.
2:03:09 Sean Fennessey? I'm looking at them.
2:03:10 Speaker 08 All right, let me see. Okay, um. Uh, uh, where we at?
2:03:15 Speaker 06 Eighties.
2:03:15 Speaker 08 Uh, eighties. I got Cocktail. Nineties.
2:03:19 Sean Fennessey? Yes, yes.
2:03:19 Speaker 08 I got Far and Away. Uh, Twenty First Century. I got Collateral. Oscar nominee. I got Vanilla Sky. Uh, Mission Impossible. I got Mission Impossible Fallout. Tom Cruise does a sports thing. I have Days of Thunder. Blockbuster. Um, I have Interview with the President.
2:03:39 Speaker 08 Wildcard, I have Legend. I feel good about my team.
2:03:41 Speaker 07 That's not even a playoff team.
2:03:44 Speaker 08 I feel good about my team.
2:03:45 Sean Fennessey? CR, what did you get?
2:03:45 Speaker 06 In the eighties, I have The Outsiders. In the nineties, I have Eyes Wide Shut. In the twenty first century, I have Valkyrie.
2:03:56 Speaker 08 I love Nazis.
2:03:57 Speaker 06 In Oscar nominee, I have The Firm. In Mission Impossible, I have Mission Impossible Three. In Tom Cruise does a sports thing, I have Color of Money. In Blockbuster, I have Minority Report. And in Wildcard, I have Mission Impossible Two.
2:04:12 Speaker 08 I was not aware of the Valkyrie discourse.
2:04:14 Speaker 06 What's that?
2:04:15 Speaker 08 I wasn't aware of the Valkyrie.
2:04:16 Sean Fennessey? It's just a bit, it's just a, it's, oh, yeah.
2:04:18 Speaker 06 It's like, it's, if he makes it seem like I'm way outside of the conventional wisdom, it freaks me out so much that I don't, almost don't pick it. But I'm sticking with, I'm I three, and I'm sticking with Valkyrie.
2:04:29 Speaker 08 There you go.
2:04:30 Sean Fennessey? Bill, what'd you get?
2:04:31 Speaker 07 Eighties, Taps. Nineties, Jerry Maguire. Twenty First Century, Jack Reacher. Oscar, Rain Man, actually won the Oscar. Mission Impossible, Ghost Protocol. Tom Cruise does a sports thing, Top Gun. Blockbuster, Tropic Thunder. Wildcard, Oblivion. Where's my camera? Send the trophy to my fucking house.
2:04:54 Sean Fennessey? I do think Bill won.
2:04:55 Speaker 08 Yeah, Bill won.
2:04:55 Sean Fennessey? Um, and this is a case where unfortunately, being at the turn was the best scenario.
2:04:59 Speaker 06 Did you enjoy this many categories?
2:05:02 Sean Fennessey? You bitched and moaned, but you got the best, you got the best situation.
2:05:05 Speaker 07 You guys are doing your artsy fartsy picks, and I was just taking winners.
2:05:09 Sean Fennessey? Artsy fartsy?
2:05:10 Speaker 06 Yeah.
2:05:10 Sean Fennessey? What artsy fartsy picks did I take?
2:05:12 Speaker 07 Top Gun fell to five or six.
2:05:15 Amanda Dobbins? I mean, I took Top Gun Maverick.
2:05:16 Speaker 07 It's like the most important Tom Cruise movie. She, she took Maverick, though.
2:05:18 Amanda Dobbins? I took Maverick. I mean, it's in the universe.
2:05:21 Sean Fennessey? It's not that good, in my opinion.
2:05:21 Speaker 07 Top, Top Gun?
2:05:22 Sean Fennessey? It's not, it's not that good. I'm sorry to say.
2:05:25 Amanda Dobbins? It's pretty good.
2:05:25 Sean Fennessey? It's not one of my movies. It's just not.
2:05:27 Speaker 07 What?
2:05:28 Sean Fennessey? This is, was I on that rewatchable side? It's not, I, not a movie I ever had passion for, honestly. I love a lot of other Tony Scott movies.
2:05:34 Amanda Dobbins? You don't really like it when vehicles go fast. That doesn't, in general, that doesn't speak to you.
2:05:41 Speaker 07 Of the Tony.
2:05:41 Amanda Dobbins? Because he's also out on, he's out on Fast and Furious, he's out on Top Gun.
2:05:46 Speaker 07 Saved the world at the end of the movie.
2:05:47 Sean Fennessey? I think it's one of those movies where like, its reputation culturally far exceeds its quality.
2:05:53 Speaker 08 Interesting. So of the Tony Scott movies, you don't think, like, what's your, what's your Tony Scott jams? What are your Tony Scott jams?
2:05:59 Sean Fennessey? Uh, Crimson Tide, for sure. Trumanes, for sure.
2:06:04 Speaker 08 Is Crimson Tide better than Top Gun?
2:06:06 Sean Fennessey? I would much rather watch Crimson Tide, personally.
2:06:08 Speaker 08 Probably better, right?
2:06:09 Speaker 07 As a movie, yeah.
2:06:10 Sean Fennessey? But like, I would, I even prefer like Enemy of the State to Top Gun. Like, I know why Top Gun is huge and I get its importance. It also wasn't, I was, I was three when it came out. You know, it didn't hit for me at the same time, so, nothing against it.
2:06:23 Speaker 07 Not a patriot.
2:06:23 Sean Fennessey? Yeah. Not a humanist.
2:06:28 Sean Fennessey? Is Valkyrie your Top Gun?
2:06:33 Sean Fennessey? Uh, any closing thoughts? You feel good? Everybody feel good about this draft? Did you enjoy this many categories? It's hard. Yeah. It was, it was challenging. At least Rock of Ages didn't get drafted. Feel good about that?
2:06:43 Speaker 07 Yeah, probably seven categories instead of eight.
2:06:46 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, we could have just taken Wild Card off the board and been fine.
2:06:50 Speaker 07 Yeah.
2:06:50 Speaker 08 Cause Tom Cruise does a sports thing, it's kind of your cool wildcard-y.
2:06:53 Sean Fennessey? Yes.
2:06:54 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah.
2:06:54 Speaker 07 So what, it's like a percentage of the amount of movies somebody made versus the amount of movies you'd want to draft? And it's probably be around 75%.
2:07:02 Sean Fennessey? I think that would actually be pretty good. Cruise is unusual. I mean, we, we could have gotten through five categories fully and everybody I think would have been at least content.
2:07:11 Speaker 07 Yeah. Oh, yeah.
2:07:11 Amanda Dobbins? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
2:07:13 Sean Fennessey? So part of the reason I wanted to do it is because, put a little pressure on the scenario.
2:07:16 Amanda Dobbins? I'm surprised it didn't break. You know, I did think that there was.
2:07:19 Sean Fennessey? Broken him.
2:07:20 Amanda Dobbins? Yes.
2:07:20 Sean Fennessey? And we chose that too.
2:07:22 Speaker 07 I think you should have. I would have done it.
2:07:23 Amanda Dobbins? Okay, I, well, I know, but you're our guest.
2:07:25 Sean Fennessey? Like you.
2:07:27 Speaker 07 You thought about it, though.
2:07:27 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, sure.
2:07:28 Amanda Dobbins? I did. That was actually part of the three-minute monologue, but you weren't listening to that. I was trying to emotionally prepare you. That's okay.
2:07:37 Speaker 07 Can I say that I don't think I've ever seen Night and Away?
2:07:40 Amanda Dobbins? Night and Day?
2:07:41 Speaker 07 Night and Day. Far and Away?
2:07:43 Sean Fennessey? Far and Away and Night and Day, that would be a hell of a mashup.
2:07:46 Speaker 06 They just started remixing his movies. It's like, what if he was Irish in Night and Day?
2:07:50 Speaker 07 Yeah, they like a, like a, like when they mix music?
2:07:53 Speaker 06 Yeah.
2:07:53 Speaker 07 What was the plot of Night and Day?
2:07:55 Amanda Dobbins? He is, he's like, not CIA, but like undercover agent, special agent. And she fixes cars for a living and she somehow gets roped into the, like his, not his mission, but the people who are out to get him think that she's working with him. So.
2:08:16 Sean Fennessey? Let me ask you a question.
2:08:17 Speaker 07 Yeah, it's a weird pairing.
2:08:18 Sean Fennessey? Should Night and Day have been eligible in Tom Cruise as a sports thing because they run with the bulls in the movie?
2:08:25 Amanda Dobbins? Oh.
2:08:26 Speaker 06 I just think that's a stunt. That's not a sport.
2:08:29 Sean Fennessey? Yeah, the running of the bulls is a sport?
2:08:30 Speaker 06 No, it's just fear. It's just running from a wild animal.
2:08:33 Sean Fennessey? Like a cultural tradition?
2:08:34 Speaker 06 Are you trying to make me make fun of Castilian tradition? No, I'm not doing that.
2:08:38 Speaker 07 Tell us more. Tell us more, Colonel Klaus. Von Stauffenberg.
2:08:45 Sean Fennessey? Forevermore CR.
2:08:46 Speaker 06 When we do Final Destination Bloodlines, I'm definitely wearing an eye patch without any, like, mentioning it.
2:08:51 Sean Fennessey? I'm Sean Fantasy. Here's Colonel Von Stauffenberg. Uh, Bill, Van, Chris, Amanda, thank you so much. Thanks for having us. Wagner. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Next week, Chris did tease it. We are, uh, talking about Final Destination Bloodline. We're also ranking every single kill in the history of the Final Destination franchise. I've been doing my research.
2:09:15 Speaker 07 Tremendous undertaking.
2:09:17 Speaker 06 It's, it's, it's like one of the most clear number one seeds since, in a long time for me.
2:09:23 Sean Fennessey? Are you referring to an opening sequence in one of the films? Yes. Okay. No giveaways there. Uh, guys, thank you. This was fun. See you next week.
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