The Jaguar Type 01 Is Here, New Lotus V8 Supercar, the Revuelto Market is Crashing!

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:04Speaker 02

  Hello and welcome to this car pod!

• 1:09Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Kenan.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. And it's time for the news. Ah!

• 1:13Speaker 02

  Ah!

• 1:14Doug DeMuro?

  Jaguar.

• 1:14Speaker 02

  A mugging mistake.

• 1:16Speaker 04

  Yep, I think we've said all we need to say.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, so what is the story?

• 1:20Speaker 04

  Okay, this car, which has been showing all around the world, but not formally ready for production yet.

• 1:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:25Speaker 04

  Now, we know the name.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  So it's Jaguar's concept, the electric, the V, new Jaguar.

• 1:31Speaker 04

  Yes, it's called the Type 01.

• 1:33Doug DeMuro?

  Type 01, apparently it will be confirmed a four-door, which this, I don't know how many doors this has.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Right. I'll tell you what, their shut lines have gotten really tight. I can't even see through this.

• 1:44Speaker 04

  Well, quality phenomenal.

• 1:45Doug DeMuro?

  This may be a two-door, but like, this, I don't know what this is. And also, what if the door opens like a gullwing? You know what I mean?

• 1:51Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:51Doug DeMuro?

  The real one will not be that. It's gonna be a four-door, and it's gonna be called the Type 01, and it's gonna have about 1,000 horsepower and at least 960 pound-feet of torque. 1,000 horsepower.

• 2:01Speaker 04

  985, but yeah.

• 2:02Doug DeMuro?

  What this is, is the Cadillac Celestiq of the Jaguar world. And I have a suspicion it were fair just as well. Do you agree?

• 2:12Speaker 02

  It'll be an equal success, I'm sure.

• 2:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, yes. How many Celestix have you guys seen on the road? Try to count it out.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Uh, let me carry the one, uh, it would be none.

• 2:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Oh, combined zero. And I also have not seen one, so unfortunately, it's zero.

• 2:27Speaker 04

  But one of our coworkers has seen them. He lives in Detroit, but he has seen them.

• 2:32Doug DeMuro?

  We have a co- I know a guy whose sister's uncle saw a Celest-

• 2:35Speaker 02

  Right. There's a guy in the next town over, he's seen one.

• 2:38Speaker 04

  Jag says that the type connects to their heritage.

• 2:41Speaker 02

  Yup. It does.

• 2:42Speaker 04

  And then 01 points forward, zero tailpipe emissions, and the first car of a new chapter.

• 2:47Doug DeMuro?

  01. Now, I think that the leading zero in 01 is ambitious.

• 3:00Doug DeMuro?

  I think we'll see. Uh, I would have just called it the Type 1. Um, anyway, they, uh, when is it gonna come out? They said it'll be out, it's gonna be officially revealed later this year, which means it's out maybe in a year.

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, 27 is what they're saying. I want you to know that per quote, per quote from the Jaguar head, our engineers have, uh, achieved this with a vehicle that looks and drives like no other electric car. Unfortunately, most electric cars, pretty good.

• 3:27Doug DeMuro?

  Well, and also, well, what do you mean it drives like no other electric car? Like they all, every electric car I've ever driven, from the Nissan Leaf to the Remac Nevera, drove basically the same.

• 3:36Speaker 04

  Nissan's thrilled by that comparison. They're nine seconds, zero to sixty days.

• 3:40Doug DeMuro?

  Neither of those cars sold. Both of those cars tanked on the used market, so, hey, I have a suspicion of what's gonna happen here.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  It'll drive like no other electric car.

• 3:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I think it will drive like most other electric cars, and I, what did it, what was the other thing? It'll look like?

• 3:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I mean, that's-

• 3:54Speaker 02

  Well-

• 3:55Doug DeMuro?

  There is now spy shots of it, and I'll tell you what, it looks like a Celestic. Pull up, just type in Jaguar Type 01. It's like wild how much it looks like a Celestic.

• 4:04Speaker 04

  It's a good-looking car.

• 4:05Doug DeMuro?

  It sucks because, that spy shot, it sucks because now the Celestic has, um, competition, which is gonna make it even harder to sell Celestics.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  No, a rising tide, you know?

• 4:19Speaker 04

  Yup, the rising tide of the $400,000 ultra luxury electric sedan market.

• 4:24Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, I should note, we also now know that there's no rear window.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  Oh, good, like Polestar 4.

• 4:30Doug DeMuro?

  Polestar 4?

• 4:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's the one.

• 4:31Doug DeMuro?

  No one knows.

• 4:32Speaker 04

  Zoom out.

• 4:32Doug DeMuro?

  There's a rear photo, there's a rear spy shot where it literally is a, they may have just, they may have just done a Celestic. It's not that one, but it doesn't matter, you get the idea. Uh, are you excited for this vehicle?

• 4:46Speaker 04

  As excited as I am about any other Jag that's coming out.

• 4:48Doug DeMuro?

  As much as I am making fun of it, I am legitimately excited for it.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  Well, I think this looks cool.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  It looks cool. That does look cool.

• 4:53Doug DeMuro?

  I always felt this looked cool, or at least like new and futuristic and crazy. And I loved, obviously like everyone did, I loved the video. When they announced their rebrand.

• 5:03Speaker 04

  Do you have a watch in a while?

• 5:04Speaker 02

  We were so nice to it on the podcast when it came out. And we had, they had those, that bunch of people from Berlin that appeared like.

• 5:11Doug DeMuro?

  It was good content, people. It was like a whistling video, you never knew what was gonna explode next.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  That's true, the purple rocks.

• 5:20Doug DeMuro?

  It was the brand primarily. So anyway, they, they, this is gonna be exciting.

• 5:26Speaker 04

  And probably 400-ish miles of range is what they're targeting. Three motors, 1,000ish horsepower.

• 5:31Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna, it's not gonna sell, but then they'll do lesser models, the Type O2 and the Type O3 and all that. You know, Polestar has already backed themselves into the corner by numbering the cars because

• 5:40Speaker 04

  Yup.

• 5:41Doug DeMuro?

  The 2 is actually the flagship.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  No, the 4 is now the flagship.

• 5:47Doug DeMuro?

  The 2 is more expensive than the 4. I'm sorry, the 3, the 5.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Well, the.

• 5:55Doug DeMuro?

  The 2 is the sedan.

• 5:56Speaker 04

  The 2 sedan.

• 5:57Doug DeMuro?

  The 3 is the flagship.

• 5:58Speaker 04

  The 3 is the small SUV.

• 6:00Doug DeMuro?

  That's the flagship.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  No, the, the big sedan is the flagship.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  Well, it's nice to know that it's easy to keep it straight.

• 6:04Doug DeMuro?

  What big sedan?

• 6:04Speaker 04

  The one you reviewed. It's a hatchback, I guess. The 4.

• 6:07Doug DeMuro?

  The 4 is cheaper.

• 6:08Speaker 02

  And just throw out another number below 10 there.

• 6:11Doug DeMuro?

  The 4 starts at 56, the 3 starts at 68, the 3 is the flagship.

• 6:15Speaker 04

  My goodness, you're right.

• 6:16Doug DeMuro?

  The 3 is the flagship.

• 6:17Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 6:18Doug DeMuro?

  So it makes no sense.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  68 is so much more than that car should cost.

• 6:21Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I bet, I bet you can get deals.

• 6:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love how it looks, by the way, the Polestar 3.

• 6:26Doug DeMuro?

  Jag is probably gonna end up in the same situation unless, of course, the next car is called something different. Type O2. I'm excited. It's gonna be very exciting. We're gonna see it later this year. A thousand horsepower. In all truth, no one is excited and I really think this is gonna be a dud.

• 6:41Speaker 04

  Yep. Also, it was revealed in 2025. It's long lag.

• 6:46Doug DeMuro?

  Long lag?

• 6:47Speaker 04

  Before seeing it in real life.

• 6:48Doug DeMuro?

  Like the hood.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Very long. In the back, honestly.

• 6:52Speaker 04

  What do you think is under the hood?

• 6:54Speaker 02

  I hope. I hope it's a long store. Based on, it doesn't look like it opens, so probably nothing.

• 6:59Doug DeMuro?

  The Celeste, well, it's a concept car. The Celeste had a front trunk. Okay, on to our next news story, please.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Ah, the Z.

• 7:08Doug DeMuro?

  The new Nissan Z, which will soon become the old Nissan Z.

• 7:12Speaker 04

  Really?

• 7:12Doug DeMuro?

  The, well, it kinda already is.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:16Doug DeMuro?

  The Drive is reporting that the Nissan Z, which was, has just gotten refreshed, is going to switch to, going forward to a, there's apparently a leaked Nissan dealer bulletin that says the Z is going to switch to a build-to-order production, which means that there won't just be stock units at the dealers. They're gonna specifically like build them in theory when a customer orders them, but probably dealers will order stock units. Nonetheless, I think the point is that production is going to decrease even more than it already is, which is significant because I saw one on the road the other day and I was thinking, wow, that is really rare.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  It is rare. I do notice them when I see them. And again, we live in Southern California, kind of the land where you can have sports cars and new cars are very common. Ever since they launched the new Z, I really just don't see them.

• 8:04Doug DeMuro?

  So going forward, the 27 updates.

• 8:07Speaker 04

  Which are notable.

• 8:08Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna be super rare. Like, this is gonna be like the 98 Supra.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  This is gonna be the one to have.

• 8:12Doug DeMuro?

  If you're a Mark IV man.

• 8:13Speaker 04

  If you're a Mark IV man, yeah, yeah, which everybody is.

• 8:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  The updates, the refresh with 27 is actually pretty good. Manual and Nismo version.

• 8:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 8:22Speaker 04

  Desirable, but if it is order only and then build-to-order, that doesn't really work with the US dealer structure very well or getting sales.

• 8:28Doug DeMuro?

  My understanding, whenever car companies have, more or less, whenever car companies have done build-to-order in the past, the building was done by the dealers, not necessarily the customers.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:37Doug DeMuro?

  Because of the way that allocation works. So my guess is, is that there will still be cars. I think what they're basically trying to say is, we're gonna limit production even more than we already are. And so Nissan Z is becoming less common. Supra just ended, right? Didn't Mark five Supra just end?

• 8:51Speaker 04

  We're on the final edition this year.

• 8:53Doug DeMuro?

  This is it, dude. This is the end. The Japanese sports car reared again in the mid 2020s will quiet once again, just like in the 90s. When there were so many Japanese sports cars, Ken's birth was heralded by Japanese sports cars. His, his birth year in, in the lunar calendar, the year of the Japanese sports car.

• 9:14Speaker 04

  And then?

• 9:15Doug DeMuro?

  And then it all came crumbling down.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  And everything has. The prelude though is back.

• 9:23Speaker 04

  The prelude though is back.

• 9:25Doug DeMuro?

  The prelude is back.

• 9:29Doug DeMuro?

  I, I have this theory that I've been nursing and maybe I'll drop it here.

• 9:33Speaker 04

  Oh, please.

• 9:33Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think the Japanese sports car ever went away. You know how everybody talks about they were in the 90s and then they died?

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, there were, there were a lot of them.

• 9:41Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, I'm gonna, let me posit you this. 3000 GT went to 99. Okay. And the NSX went to 05. So let's skip the NSX for a second, although.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  They did sell six at its production end.

• 9:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but there's a lot of 02 to 05s out there. All right. 99 3000 GT. In 2000, the S2000 came out.

• 9:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 9:59Doug DeMuro?

  The Japanese sports car was alive and well.

• 10:02Speaker 02

  For one, yeah.

• 10:03Doug DeMuro?

  And in 2000, another very important Japanese sports car came out, the Toyota MR2 Spider. And so I think that the Japanese sports, so then.

• 10:12Speaker 04

  The six cylinder Japanese sports car died.

• 10:14Doug DeMuro?

  Then the S2000 went all the way to 09 and by then the WRX and the Evo and the STI were already here. The GT-R was already back and boom, the Japanese sports cars never went away.

• 10:27Speaker 02

  Those were not purpose built sports cars.

• 10:29Doug DeMuro?

  The S2000?

• 10:30Speaker 02

  The S2000 was, but the, the WRX and the STI were based on other cars, fast versions of pre-existing cars. They're not dedicated sports, like the M3 and the M5. They were, those are not sports cars.

• 10:39Speaker 04

  They're now, that they are now dead. There's no STI sold. There, there, there's no Mitsubishi Lancer, period.

• 10:45Doug DeMuro?

  There's a BRZ, excuse you. There is a BRZ. There is an FRS.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  Okay, same car, that's not what it's called anymore.

• 10:51Doug DeMuro?

  There is a Supra. There is a Supra, which is incredibly Japanese.

• 10:55Speaker 04

  Supra's dead.

• 10:56Doug DeMuro?

  The Supra was, is, is an incredibly Japanese car.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 10:59Doug DeMuro?

  And is still around.

• 11:01Speaker 04

  For one more year.

• 11:02Doug DeMuro?

  The Z is around.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  And, one to add to.

• 11:05Doug DeMuro?

  The prelude.

• 11:07Speaker 02

  Where do you say the R35 falls on that?

• 11:08Speaker 04

  Oh, it's also dead.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  It's been in production for all of it.

• 11:10Speaker 04

  It's dead.

• 11:11Speaker 02

  Basically.

• 11:11Doug DeMuro?

  The, the R35 is barely dead.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  It, it is coming back, is what we've learned, right? And to be fair, to your point, the GR GT.

• 11:18Doug DeMuro?

  The GR GT is coming back, that's a thing.

• 11:20Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 11:21Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the Miata's still in production. Never left, by the way. Another Japanese sports car that never left.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  The Miata is always the answer. It has never been out of production.

• 11:29Doug DeMuro?

  I'm telling you, the Japanese sports car never went away. This is a lie that you're being fed by, by, uh, German sports car media.

• 11:38Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 11:39Speaker 05

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• 12:10Speaker 02

  You wanted to say propaganda, but that's.

• 12:12Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I don't know. I mean, it is a, it is a piece of propaganda.

• 12:15Speaker 04

  All that to say that the last Z.

• 12:18Doug DeMuro?

  Last Z is gone, but you know what? We still have Civic Type R, Integra Type S.

• 12:22Speaker 04

  Good point.

• 12:22Doug DeMuro?

  Everything's rolling.

• 12:23Speaker 04

  The only Acura left.

• 12:25Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Uh, hmm, the only A.

• 12:26Speaker 04

  I mean, fundamentally, think about it.

• 12:27Doug DeMuro?

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• 13:47Speaker 02

  Oh, very dark.

• 13:48Doug DeMuro?

  Lotus Supercar. I gotta tell you something. I walked in the office today, they told me there's gonna be a new Lotus Supercar. I don't know anything about it and I'll tell you why. Last time Lotus said there'd be a Supercar was the Avija. Do you remember the Avija?

• 13:58Speaker 04

  I do.

• 13:59Doug DeMuro?

  Do you, actually?

• 14:00Speaker 04

  I incredibly do, but I think it's pronounced Avija.

• 14:02Doug DeMuro?

  Dude. It's pronounced. It doesn't exist, okay? I saw one ever and it was at Villa Dests two years ago in Lake Como and it was like doing journalist drives and the journalists were gushing over it because they had been selected to be, to sit in an Avija. And guess what? It doesn't exist.

• 14:21Speaker 04

  They made 130 units.

• 14:22Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they were gonna make 130.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:24Doug DeMuro?

  No conversation.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  I remember vividly, I remember then really contemplating the idea of is an electric Supercar gonna be something? And since there have been many others and the Avija or Avija.

• 14:34Doug DeMuro?

  It's not discussed anywhere. It doesn't.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  But, but they've, they've said that they're building a hybrid V8 Supercar now. So it's not electric.

• 14:42Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 14:43Speaker 04

  Hybrid V8.

• 14:44Doug DeMuro?

  Hundred, a thousand horsepower hybrid V8 called the Type 135.

• 14:46Speaker 04

  Codename.

• 14:47Speaker 02

  And they're sticking with, the English loves saying.

• 14:48Doug DeMuro?

  Codename, codename that.

• 14:49Speaker 04

  Codename. It'll have at least, this is what they say, at least 986 horsepower.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Plus.

• 14:55Doug DeMuro?

  Now, the Jag only has 986 horsepower. So they saw Jag's thing and they were like, we're gonna step in.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 15:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 15:01Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:02Doug DeMuro?

  So are you excited or are we?

• 15:04Speaker 04

  No, I think we're kind of excited.

• 15:06Doug DeMuro?

  Well, chances that this ever exists.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  The, the engine is coming from Horse Motors.

• 15:10Doug DeMuro?

  Horse Motors.

• 15:11Speaker 04

  Does a real.

• 15:12Doug DeMuro?

  Get ready, cause we got another Horse Motors story here in a second.

• 15:14Speaker 04

  Okay, so Horse Motors, for those that don't know, which is everybody, is a Renault Geely joint collaboration. Geely being the Chinese manufacturer.

• 15:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:24Speaker 04

  Who also owns Lotus and Volvo.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  And the Polestar 3. They own every Polestar 3.

• 15:28Speaker 04

  But it is actually fundamentally the engineers from the Renault like motor.

• 15:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:32Speaker 04

  Which has been known to build decent engines sometimes. They have a new hybrid V8 and it's Lotus kind of returning, like moving away from their all-electric initiatives to create a V8 hybrid supercar.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 15:47Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. That is something, Lotus is vapor where we don't know. I want you to move on to the next news story, which Kenan, I got you. You're gonna go nuts when you hear that.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  I will say if they can make this with a manual.

• 15:56Doug DeMuro?

  They won't.

• 15:57Speaker 02

  I'd be really into it, but they cannot.

• 15:58Doug DeMuro?

  They can't. They speak because.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  A Lotus.

• 16:00Doug DeMuro?

  Because I know they can't make it with a manual because today, moments before filming this podcast, it was announced that the Lotus Emira, which is a car that perpetually looks like it's been in some sort of front-end collision. The Lotus Emira, you're not wrong. Is, I love the Emira, is ditching its Toyota V6 a beloved powertrain.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  A good engine.

• 16:21Doug DeMuro?

  And it's Mercedes AMG Turbo 4 for a new motor from Horse.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 16:25Doug DeMuro?

  So it's getting a Horse engine.

• 16:27Speaker 04

  Lot of horsepower.

• 16:28Doug DeMuro?

  That engine will be a turbo 3.0 V6 with 540 horsepower. Okay?

• 16:33Speaker 04

  It's big power.

• 16:34Doug DeMuro?

  Big power. Lot more in the cars now. However, it will only be mated to an automatic transmission. But this is the big news. This is Horse. This is a brand-new joint venture between the hyp-tech Chinese and some other company, he said.

• 16:45Speaker 04

  Right now.

• 16:46Doug DeMuro?

  Take a guess, the number of gears for this automatic transmission.

• 16:50Speaker 02

  Oh, no. I'm very afraid.

• 16:52Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't look at it.

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Don't tell me it's a CVT.

• 16:54Doug DeMuro?

  Take a guess. So your guess is infinite?

• 16:57Speaker 02

  My guess is infinite. Or, yeah. What did Jason, can we say this week? Or one? I don't know, whatever. It's, I think, I have a weird feeling it's gonna be a CVT.

• 17:05Doug DeMuro?

  You're joking. It is a 4-speed automatic.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  4?

• 17:09Doug DeMuro?

  What? So if you felt that the Emira was a good car when it was, had a manual transmission and a good Toyota, reliable Toyota V6, well, too bad. It's, have I got news for you. It's going to be replaced with a 540-horsepower turbo V6 made by Horse Power Trains, which undoubtedly will be just as reliable as the Toyota V6, made into a 4-speed automatic.

• 17:33Speaker 02

  Like it's 1989.

• 17:34Doug DeMuro?

  Like it's 1989 and we're buying an XJS.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  Free speed with overdrive.

• 17:39Speaker 04

  In their defense.

• 17:40Doug DeMuro?

  There's no defending it.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  There's no defending that.

• 17:43Doug DeMuro?

  Two things in their defense.

• 17:44Speaker 04

  Um, one is it weighs just 160 kilograms, which is 10 pounds lighter than any other V6 on the market.

• 17:50Speaker 02

  You know, I would take 10 pounds.

• 17:53Doug DeMuro?

  10 pounds?

• 17:54Speaker 04

  I'm sorry, sorry.

• 17:54Doug DeMuro?

  Spend a week at the gym.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  It's hard to find a 10 pound weight at the gym this so light.

• 17:58Speaker 04

  10 kilograms, 22 pounds.

• 18:00Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, spend two weeks at the gym.

• 18:02Speaker 04

  Second is I bet that the motor serves as some supplemental gearing. Like, like the way that they have it set up, I hope.

• 18:08Doug DeMuro?

  It's an automatic. 88% of Emiras are sold to the manual transmission.

• 18:13Speaker 04

  So, so that's the other thing. The, in this, in this press release, they say, people told us that they, they love the V6 engine and the V6 version is the best seller in the US market.

• 18:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 18:23Speaker 04

  Because the four cylinder is not available with a manual.

• 18:27Doug DeMuro?

  What a spin. That is an unbelievable spin. What's this fellow's name? Feng is his last name?

• 18:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 18:32Doug DeMuro?

  That's incredible. They want, they love V6s. What can we say? We're gonna do more V6s. 88% of Emiras are sold.

• 18:40Speaker 04

  This is a bad, so we've known that that Toyota V6 was gonna go away for a while. We were hearing about it because it does, it's not complying with new European emissions regulations in this current form and they didn't want to redevelop it.

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Fine.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Right?

• 18:51Speaker 02

  So be it.

• 18:52Speaker 04

  The fact that they're not finding a way to make this, find an engine that can be made into a manual is.

• 18:58Doug DeMuro?

  Well, how hard can it be? It already is. I, I don't know this for a fact and I'd be curious if there's some viewer who's more of an expert on this than I am, but I wonder if there is a difficulty of, um, meeting Euro emissions regulations with a manual transmission. I wonder if the manual transmission specifically is, is, is making it difficult to meet regs.

• 19:19Speaker 04

  Wouldn't be shocked that that's true. If like the, they can program the automatic however they want. I wouldn't be shocked if the EU regulators have their own drive cycle.

• 19:26Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know what the test cycle is. I don't know how, what they measured at, all that stuff.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  I think that's true.

• 19:30Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know this as a fact, that I'm not saying that it is a fact, but I am curious because we hear rumors about the next GT3 and that they made it to a manual only for the US. And then you start to wonder, well, they wouldn't, they're not idiots. They're not, they're not doing this because they want to.

• 19:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:44Doug DeMuro?

  There's obviously a need to do it. The powertrain is of course the need, but I wonder if they just, if there's a, if there's a, if there's a reason beyond that.

• 19:53Speaker 04

  I'm sure there is like. BMW has said that they're not really, they can't, their ability to have higher horsepower engines in their V6 and their manual cars is limited because they don't want to redevelop a full new manual for additional engines. I do wonder if Lotus, the manufacturer, is kind of small, doesn't have the purchasing power to

• 20:10Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's 88% of sales. I mean, you're doing it or you're not doing it. Like, 88% that should hit, the Chinese especially should be like, oh.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  That is a sign.

• 20:19Doug DeMuro?

  It's like a questionable, questionable joke, okay. They own the Lotus! The Chinese own the Lotus and they're sitting here looking at this saying, let's do a four-speed auto. Anyway, I think it's a shame. Amira's a great car. Obviously, the Amiras that are built with the manual and all that are gonna be the ones that everybody wants. The four-speed auto Amiras are gonna go down like the four-speed auto XJSs.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 20:38Doug DeMuro?

  Poorly.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  Poorly. Well, if you thought the Amira market was strong, hold my beer. It's gonna remain that way for a while.

• 20:45Doug DeMuro?

  That's so true. And the Amira market is strong, by the way. We sell them all the time on the cars in the bids.

• 20:49Speaker 04

  One or two a week, yeah. Those are gonna be 90 grand forever.

• 20:52Doug DeMuro?

  Forever. Like, Evora's still are 60.

• 20:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's pretty remarkable.

• 20:57Doug DeMuro?

  Look at these sales.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  83, 89, 99, 93, 90.

• 21:00Doug DeMuro?

  85 and 95,000.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  The only one that hasn't sold in forever was an automatic.

• 21:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 21:05Speaker 04

  Truly. You have to keep scrolling down to remember where it was, but it did happen. And it was that four-cylinder auto.

• 21:10Doug DeMuro?

  Four-cylinder auto.

• 21:10Speaker 04

  Despite the fact that the four-cylinder auto had, the four-cylinder has exactly the same horsepower as the supercharged V6 somehow. They're both 400 horsepower.

• 21:17Doug DeMuro?

  Click on this one. Look at that. I'm telling you, it looks like the car's been in a front-end collision. And then the hood is like, is like wedged up a little because you like wedged under a truck or something.

• 21:26Speaker 02

  Actually, that is a good angle. That does kind of make it look

• 21:29Doug DeMuro?

  I love this car. I love this car. Well, you want one?

• 21:32Speaker 04

  Buy it now?

• 21:33Doug DeMuro?

  I don't hate this powertrain either.

• 21:34Speaker 02

  No, I think you just buy it whenever. I think they're just gonna make it sound. I don't, the point of this is I don't think they're gonna depreciate like we thought the, like the Elise has. That got to a $35,000 car.

• 21:43Doug DeMuro?

  Although, did you see the Elise we sold today?

• 21:44Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 21:45Doug DeMuro?

  Did you pull this up? Here's a news story for you. We sold this Elise SC, which was 166 of 166 of these American, for $65,500 United States dollar.

• 21:56Speaker 04

  They're taking back up, Elises are.

• 21:57Doug DeMuro?

  The nice Elises are up. Mileage is a little low, etc. But like, this, and it's an SC, obviously, but like, damn.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  You can still get into an Elise around between 35 and 45 thousand dollars.

• 22:09Speaker 04

  You still can.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  All day long.

• 22:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, but part of the reason they're so desirable is because they are Toyota powered and manual transmission. Lovely things. Move on to our next news story, please.

• 22:18Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, yes.

• 22:19Speaker 04

  The Audi Q9. We've been talking about how Audi is going to build a new, like a full-size SUV. This is it. It hasn't been fully revealed, but the interior has, and apparently the interior is the most luxurious Audi interior ever.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  Lots of.

• 22:32Doug DeMuro?

  Who said that? An objective, an objective journalist?

• 22:35Speaker 04

  Every journalist that saw the car. You can, you can take from that whatever you'd like.

• 22:39Doug DeMuro?

  This thing does look boss.

• 22:41Speaker 02

  It does look good.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  They should offer that.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  Love the.

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Mercedes-Benz Maybach would offer that paint color.

• 22:46Doug DeMuro?

  And on, and on the interior.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  And on the interior.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  They call it, they call it Hurricane or Twister or something like.

• 22:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I'm glad for Audi that this is coming because, well, the Q7's been around.

• 22:55Doug DeMuro?

  Q7 is ancient. Q7 is absolutely ancient and it is unbelievable to me.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:02Doug DeMuro?

  It's came out in 17?

• 23:03Speaker 04

  17.

• 23:03Doug DeMuro?

  17. The current body Q7.

• 23:06Speaker 04

  It may have been 2016, but I think it was a 2017 model year.

• 23:08Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it's amazing to me because that segment is still pretty hot, that whole segment, full-size. And GLS is, came out in 20.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  I know.

• 23:15Doug DeMuro?

  Q7 came out in 17, X7 came out in 21 maybe.

• 23:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, with a 23.

• 23:19Doug DeMuro?

  It's the newest car and it's six years old, six model years old. And, and, and the best thing that happened to any of them is that Justin Timberlake got arrested for DUI in the X7. The facelift X7. He was, he knew what to do. He went and got the new one.

• 23:32Speaker 04

  The Q9 though will.

• 23:33Doug DeMuro?

  He'll be in a Q9 next summer. See in, see in Sagaponak.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  Will, will be important for Audi certainly. And so it's glad, glad it's coming to fruition. The interior, by the way, has a bunch of screens, doesn't have black, like the piano black plastic anymore. It looks like every other.

• 23:49Speaker 02

  Well, Audis have been kind of killing interiors since.

• 23:52Speaker 04

  Totally. They kind of went down for a little bit.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  The B6 generation.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  They got a little iffy for a bit.

• 23:56Doug DeMuro?

  Do we have a release date on this vehicle?

• 23:58Speaker 04

  Uh, it's going to be revealed in full on July 28th.

• 24:02Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so it'll probably go on sale this fall.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. I assume so because there's Volkswagen Atlas.

• 24:06Doug DeMuro?

  This is real. Heavy tariffs. Get ready to pay 157.

• 24:10Speaker 04

  A few weeks ago, we did not talk about this, but there's also redesigned Volkswagen Atlas. And that's all we're going to say about that.

• 24:15Doug DeMuro?

  The, presumably this will also spawn a Porsche variant.

• 24:19Speaker 04

  Yep, there will be a full-size Porsche SUV.

• 24:20Doug DeMuro?

  A Lamborghini variant. The Urus Plus.

• 24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, no, probably not, but there will be a Porsche based on this.

• 24:31Speaker 04

  There will absolutely be a Porsche.

• 24:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, um, and that's great.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  Maybe there'll be a new Q7 eventually, who knows?

• 24:36Doug DeMuro?

  I'm ready.

• 24:36Speaker 04

  Or a Q8, who knows?

• 24:37Doug DeMuro?

  I'm ready and excited.

• 24:38Speaker 04

  Ready to see them around successful suburban areas.

• 24:41Doug DeMuro?

  I do think it's wild that there hasn't been a new Q7 in however long. And that the Q5, when you brake, it says Quattro. I was behind one the other day. You didn't watch my Q5 review?

• 24:51Speaker 04

  No, incredibly, I did.

• 24:54Doug DeMuro?

  The whole thing, the third brake light, when you stop.

• 24:56Speaker 04

  It says Quattro.

• 24:56Doug DeMuro?

  Go to Audi Q5 Quattro brake light, type that in. How do you not, this is like the quirkiest thing that's ever happened. No, Q6 doesn't do that, it's a normal car.

• 25:06Speaker 04

  But the Q5 is a more normal car.

• 25:08Doug DeMuro?

  Quattro brake light's one of the things, when you brake.

• 25:10Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, it says Quattro.

• 25:10Doug DeMuro?

  Click on this, it literally reflects down onto the rear glass.

• 25:14Speaker 04

  I do love that.

• 25:15Doug DeMuro?

  You haven't been behind a new Q5?

• 25:16Speaker 04

  Apparently not.

• 25:17Doug DeMuro?

  When you get behind a new Q5, watch.

• 25:19Speaker 04

  This says a lot about.

• 25:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's very clear what happens, it says Quattro, it's this whole big thing.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  I love that.

• 25:23Doug DeMuro?

  It reflects from up here, down backwards, reflects onto the rear glass, so that people behind you see that it's a Quattro.

• 25:30Speaker 04

  I have a true love of cars that have full width third brake lights.

• 25:34Doug DeMuro?

  And so does this count because it's not technically, you know, it's a projection?

• 25:38Speaker 04

  Well, the brake light is also that.

• 25:39Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 25:40Speaker 02

  I wore the same pair of glasses for way too long. Scratched up lenses, bent frames, a prescription that was probably two years out of date. I kept putting off replacing them because the whole process felt like such a hassle. Go to an optician, wait around, pick up from a limited selection, and get upsold on stuff you don't need. And drop $400 before you even walk out the door. Warby Parker completely flipped that. The first thing that got me was the virtual try-on. You literally point your phone at your face and try on frames in real time. Not janky, it actually works. And even producer Sean is loving his Warby Parker sunglasses. We'll get him rocking those wonderful fitting glasses on his big chrome dome.

• 26:23Speaker 02

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• 26:37Speaker 04

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• 27:03Doug DeMuro?

  All right, next news story, please. This is a good one. The Chrysler Pronto.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  All right, so years and years and years ago, there was a concept car that was called the Pronto.

• 27:11Doug DeMuro?

  I think that this is the Chrysler Pronto Cruiser.

• 27:14Speaker 04

  I think you're right.

• 27:15Doug DeMuro?

  And that the Chrysler Pronto was actually a.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  Had a front bar.

• 27:20Doug DeMuro?

  It was a, it was a, it was a convertible, Plymouth Pronto, that's what it was. Okay, so there was the Plymouth Pronto Spider. And it was like a mid-engine, two-seat roadster. This.

• 27:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:32Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, they had done that, it would have turned the whole company around.

• 27:35Speaker 04

  That looks like a Saturn Sky.

• 27:36Doug DeMuro?

  Well.

• 27:37Speaker 04

  There's some spiker in there.

• 27:38Doug DeMuro?

  It looks like a Vaxhall VX 220.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:40Doug DeMuro?

  Which is, which they did do, and you know what? It didn't change, it didn't turn General Motors around.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, it does look like that. Okay, but regardless, this was a concept in the early 2000s or late 90s. Uh, they, there was news this week that it, last fall, Chrysler showed their, a deep budget dealers that they have, a very low price, around $20,000 MSRP concept that they're calling the Pronto. Uh, and there's a concept for Chrysler, there's also a concept at that price point for the Jeep and the Ram brands. And so clearly, Stellantis is going deep on, hey, should we be bringing a $20,000, really affordable car to market?

• 28:17Doug DeMuro?

  Now, back in the day, this was a sports car, but my presumption, although it has not, no more details have come out that I've seen.

• 28:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:24Doug DeMuro?

  Is that it's probably a, uh, compact car.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  Compact car, really small SUV. If they, they have one that's shared with Jeep and Ram.

• 28:31Doug DeMuro?

  Now, with that in mind, do you remember the Dodge Dart?

• 28:36Speaker 04

  Do I remember, what an insulting question.

• 28:38Doug DeMuro?

  How, how did that all go?

• 28:40Speaker 04

  You know, except for the engines that had a lot of blow up issues and the transmission that also blew up and a bunch of other liability issues.

• 28:46Doug DeMuro?

  That car only, that car only went out of production like yesterday.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  It was a great looking car.

• 28:50Doug DeMuro?

  And you have, you haven't seen one on the road in 10 years.

• 28:53Speaker 04

  There was a version with a 2.4 liter turbo and a six speed manual and that was a cool car.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  It was cool.

• 28:58Doug DeMuro?

  It was. I drove one of those from Atlanta, I drove one of those from Atlanta to Charleston, South Carolina and back. 13 hours in a Dodge Dart.

• 29:04Speaker 04

  It's a pretty good car.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Wow, that's all you need.

• 29:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's a pretty good small car.

• 29:08Speaker 04

  It was a good car.

• 29:09Doug DeMuro?

  Except for the reliability. It was incredibly poorly built.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 29:12Doug DeMuro?

  And when I hear a $20,000 car from Chrysler, I remember the Neons, I remember the Darts.

• 29:17Speaker 04

  The Neons that were reliable.

• 29:18Doug DeMuro?

  You've seen one? Where is one?

• 29:20Speaker 04

  Well, they were all.

• 29:21Doug DeMuro?

  Where is one? They built Neons, they were all, they made Neons like 2010.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  When was the last time you saw a Cavalier?

• 29:26Doug DeMuro?

  I see Corollas from that era, 20 million of a second.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  That's not what I asked. I was very specific in my question.

• 29:31Doug DeMuro?

  You get my point.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:33Doug DeMuro?

  And I'm, and obviously that's gonna happen.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  Caliber you see around, and I was just in Indiana, saw a lot of Cavaliers.

• 29:37Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it is interesting, you see Calibers, you see Calibers and you see Patriots from that gen.

• 29:41Speaker 04

  You do, you see Patriots.

• 29:43Doug DeMuro?

  Those cars were reviled when they came out, but they've actually ended up being pretty reliable. You know, I gotta hand it to Stellantis. I actually, I wanna, I wanna, I wanna take back some, some bad things I've said. We got a Giulia in the office here.

• 29:56Speaker 04

  You can write the camera for this, it's gonna be a short.

• 29:58Doug DeMuro?

  We got a Giulia in the office here. It's got 100,000 miles on it. And when that car came out, you and me went to, outside DC and filmed a video on it 10 years ago.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  We sure did.

• 30:08Doug DeMuro?

  And at the time, the complaint about the Giulia was that it was gonna be trash because it was built by Chrysler and Alfa and oh my God. This thing in the office, the interior has held up better than any car with 100,000 miles that I've been in. It's like perfect. Have you been in it?

• 30:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:23Doug DeMuro?

  There's no wear. I challenge you to find wear in that interior.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  You challenge me to find wear? I'm sure I can.

• 30:30Doug DeMuro?

  Except for the driver's seat, which honestly looks like a normal worn driver's seat and a 30,000 mile car.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  I'll have a look.

• 30:37Doug DeMuro?

  The rest of the interior, there is no fading on the buttons, there is no fading, it's unbelievable.

• 30:42Speaker 02

  I do know what you mean and it is a big surprise.

• 30:44Doug DeMuro?

  I now take back all the bad things I've said about Stellantis because of the caliber discussion and because of the Giulia. They do build cars that last. Stellantis forever! You know, Lotus should think about a Stellantis powertrain in the Amira.

• 30:55Speaker 04

  Can we talk about the fact that Jeep? Can we talk about the, what power, the, the, the Pentastar?

• 31:00Doug DeMuro?

  Hurricane straight six, baby.

• 31:02Speaker 04

  They want a, want a 270 horsepower Pentastar in their, a mirror?

• 31:06Doug DeMuro?

  Don't they currently have that? It's like a 3.5 liter V6.

• 31:09Speaker 04

  Supercharged 400.

• 31:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you could supercharge a Pentastar.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  Hurricane, Hurricane.

• 31:14Doug DeMuro?

  Hurricane straight six, it's like 400 horse.

• 31:17Speaker 04

  Hurricane.

• 31:17Doug DeMuro?

  Got to do a little stretch.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  The, the rare engine that's shared between a Ram, HRO and a, a mirror.

• 31:23Doug DeMuro?

  HRO. It's RH. There's like two of them in a row, so you're forgiven for the mistake.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  That's what I meant. Regardless, I want to talk about the Patriot, because you brought it up.

• 31:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  The Patriot's dead, it's been dead for forever.

• 31:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 31:37Speaker 04

  But the Compass lived on.

• 31:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  And don't you think that was a mistake? The Patriot was the boxy one.

• 31:41Doug DeMuro?

  I remember.

• 31:42Speaker 04

  The Compass was the slopy one, and they kept the slopy one.

• 31:46Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I think that the.

• 31:48Speaker 04

  It's an era of box.

• 31:49Doug DeMuro?

  In this era, I think the Patriot name would probably be better.

• 31:53Speaker 04

  And it's boxier.

• 31:54Doug DeMuro?

  The Compass had a better reputation. It was the nicer of the two. It was more expensive and more upmarket.

• 31:59Speaker 04

  Boy, did I not think that at the time.

• 32:00Doug DeMuro?

  It was, the Patriot was the cheaper one, the Compass was the nicer one. They're both trash, obviously.

• 32:05Speaker 04

  Especially preface of. Regardless, the Pronto.

• 32:07Doug DeMuro?

  The Caliber died, though.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  The Caliber died. Thank God. It was tough. It was not a good car. Reliable enough. If you want to see.

• 32:17Doug DeMuro?

  How many people did you know back in Ohio who had Calibers, Patriots or Compasses?

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Zero.

• 32:21Speaker 04

  That can't be true.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  No, I didn't.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  One of your neighbors had one.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  No, no, genuinely. Because everybody, I grew up in the era of like the, the Odyssey and the CNN.

• 32:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but Calibers were around.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  I saw them, yeah, in like 2009, I probably saw them.

• 32:39Doug DeMuro?

  He was rich. In my, in my town, we were lucky if we could stretch to afford a Caliber, I tell you. Times were tough.

• 32:47Speaker 04

  Yep. Agreed. The Pronto, though, will be some kind of probably subcompact SUV if it happens. If dealers were pushing for a sub 20K car, I don't know if they were or not. Margins would probably be really thin, and so there's a bit of a trade off. Get people in the door, but. If Jeep offers a 20K option, can they sell a Grand Highlander? Who knows? Regardless, maybe it will happen, maybe it won't.

• 33:08Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean if Jeep offers a 20K car, can they sell a Grand Highlander?

• 33:11Speaker 04

  They're trying to sell a hundred thousand dollar, uh, sorry, Grand Wagoneer. That's what I meant, sorry.

• 33:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 33:18Speaker 04

  Yeah. It would be like a wide.

• 33:19Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna spoil the surprise on that one. Even without a 20,000 dollar car, Jeep hasn't been able to successfully sell a Grand Wagoneer.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  The 2027 model of your Grand Wagoneer after 2026 didn't exist.

• 33:31Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, really?

• 33:32Speaker 04

  It's gonna smell great.

• 33:33Doug DeMuro?

  They took the year off?

• 33:34Speaker 04

  Took the year off. There will be an extended range EV Grand Wagoneer.

• 33:38Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God, with 728 miles of range?

• 33:42Speaker 04

  The.

• 33:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, cuz it's a normal fuel tank plus the battery.

• 33:48Doug DeMuro?

  All right, I'm pro Grand Wagoneer. This is another example of why I think Stellantis is off the hook. They make great, reliable cars that can go long distances.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  Okay, credit to Stellantis. A couple of fun facts. First of all, they were the first and for a while, the only people to have a plug-in hybrid, like SUV.

• 34:05Speaker 04

  That wasn't like a German luxury car.

• 34:07Doug DeMuro?

  The only people that have a plug-in hybrid.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  The Wrangler 4xE, the, uh, the Grand Cherokee 4xE. These were like real, interesting, advanced plug-in hybrid vehicles.

• 34:17Doug DeMuro?

  There doesn't, isn't there like a Kia Sorento and all that? Oh, wait.

• 34:21Speaker 04

  Off-roaders.

• 34:22Doug DeMuro?

  The Mitsubishi Outlander.

• 34:23Speaker 04

  Off-roaders is what I meant.

• 34:23Doug DeMuro?

  The Mitsubishi Outlander.

• 34:25Speaker 04

  Off-roaders is what I meant.

• 34:26Doug DeMuro?

  The Mitsubishi Outlander. I want you to make, issue an apology to Mitsubishi.

• 34:29Speaker 04

  They, they, I'm pretty sure that they sold more Wrangler 4xEs than Mitsubishi's sold in the US. For years, ever. But also, they had cars like the Grand Wagoneer S, which is the single fastest SUV under a hundred, under a hundred thousand dollars.

• 34:42Doug DeMuro?

  Now, it was technically the Wagoneer S.

• 34:44Speaker 04

  What did I say?

• 34:44Doug DeMuro?

  You said Grand Wagoneer S, which highlights some of the issues. They have problems.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  I'm having problems today. I can't make mistakes.

• 34:51Doug DeMuro?

  Grand Wagoneer, Grand Cherokee, Cherokee, Grand Cherokee, Grand Renegade, nobody knows.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  Grand Renegade.

• 34:57Doug DeMuro?

  This is the Grand Renegade right here.

• 34:58Speaker 04

  Why don't they have?

• 34:59Doug DeMuro?

  Move on to the next story, please. The Grand Renegade is the Wrangler.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Thank goodness. Moving on from Stellantis to something exotic. This is the Lamborghini Fenomeno. So you're familiar with this car? Last year, they came out with a Cooper. This car, no, you're sorry, go back to sleep. You might be remember this, so this is the limited edition Lamborghini based on the Revuelto. It has that same hybrid V12 power plant. This makes 1,065 horsepower. Now, that car came out last year. We saw that car at Pebble Beach. Now they've announced they have a convertible version of it. Uh, the coupe, they only built 29 examples of them. They're going to build 15 of these.

• 35:35Doug DeMuro?

  I was there when they announced it.

• 35:36Speaker 02

  Yes, you were.

• 35:38Doug DeMuro?

  I was, I saw it.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  We were, we were there.

• 35:39Doug DeMuro?

  I do know about it, yes.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  At the Quail. At the Quail.

• 35:42Doug DeMuro?

  You were not there.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  We were all three there. Now, he doesn't.

• 35:45Doug DeMuro?

  Is it fenomenal?

• 35:47Speaker 04

  I mean, it's Lamborghini, so they do Spanish wins, so I don't know.

• 35:50Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, so you don't know?

• 35:51Speaker 02

  Oh, it's right.

• 35:52Doug DeMuro?

  How would you say it in Italian?

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Fenomenal.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  Fenomenal.

• 35:56Doug DeMuro?

  This is cool.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  It's, it's cool. Uh, the, so the things with this, this like with the roadster version of it, they tried to like kind of hide some of the arrows, they could maintain the sort of, sort of same level of downforce. So like, we're very careful about like the rear treatment of the car.

• 36:09Doug DeMuro?

  Is this the roadster?

• 36:11Speaker 02

  This, for some reason, our producers chose to leave the coupe.

• 36:13Doug DeMuro?

  I was gonna say.

• 36:15Speaker 02

  Explicitly asked also for a picture of the window, which doesn't exist, but it's, the window is weird because it comes, it goes like this, and then it goes down. It's like this weird shape. Yeah, look at this window.

• 36:24Doug DeMuro?

  I love that.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  Ridiculous. So, I don't know.

• 36:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's like the Spiker C8 kinda.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  No, that had a metal bar in the middle.

• 36:32Doug DeMuro?

  But, but there was window on top that had no frame. It didn't make a curve, but it's sort of like that. The Seokan GT-R is also like that.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  I'll bet though, when you close this, unlike the Spiker, when you close the door and it goes

• 36:42Speaker 02

  I know no one has ever closed the door on a Spiker C8, but that's exactly what it does.

• 36:46Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk to you about something.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Sure, Lamborghini wise, but none, I mean, nonetheless, these are, like I said, limited edition car.

• 36:51Doug DeMuro?

  Revuelto's are collapsing in the used market.

• 36:53Speaker 02

  Are they? Are they, really? So this might be the one that actually.

• 36:57Doug DeMuro?

  In the used market, the SF90 Revuelto price point just has not been a place where the automakers are finding stability. The 12 cylinders are also selling under sticker, even though the car's been out for like an afternoon. It came out a year, less than a year ago in the States.

• 37:12Speaker 02

  That is interesting. I do have to say with the Revuelto, they've produced a lot of them and have gotten them to customers very quickly. So certainly supply is not low.

• 37:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, well, that's the problem, but 700Gs, there's apparently not support. The Revuelto's done better than SF90s so far, but they're.

• 37:28Speaker 04

  More appealing product.

• 37:29Doug DeMuro?

  It is a more appealing product.

• 37:30Speaker 04

  It's also been on the market for two years, so it's, but.

• 37:32Doug DeMuro?

  Right, that's true. And so you wonder if we're gonna see SF90 type depreciation with the Revuelto. Aventura is held so strong.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  They have and they made a gazillion of those.

• 37:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Um, so that is an interesting point.

• 37:45Doug DeMuro?

  If you combine.

• 37:47Speaker 02

  All of the Bitzrini V12, is it all Bitzrini V12s are all Lamborghinis.

• 37:51Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's only.

• 37:52Speaker 02

  The Bitzrini V12.

• 37:53Doug DeMuro?

  If you combine every Murra, Countach, Diablo and Mercy all together.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  Probably and 350 GT, I would imagine.

• 37:59Doug DeMuro?

  It's less than the production of, of, uh, of.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  That's pretty wild. And when I think about it, how often do you see a Venzador's?

• 38:05Doug DeMuro?

  Rare.

• 38:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I know. And even that is rare.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 38:08Speaker 04

  My wife sent me a picture of one two days ago on the 163.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 38:11Doug DeMuro?

  On the 163 here in town?

• 38:13Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 38:13Doug DeMuro?

  In the city?

• 38:14Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 38:14Doug DeMuro?

  Or up there?

• 38:15Speaker 04

  Uh, down here.

• 38:16Doug DeMuro?

  Like by the zoo?

• 38:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:18Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, it's gonna scare the animal.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Equestrian town. Um, but yeah, that's a, nonetheless, like, I don't know, cool, limited edition.

• 38:26Doug DeMuro?

  That looks really cool.

• 38:27Speaker 02

  I think it looks cool.

• 38:28Doug DeMuro?

  Probably five million and silly, but like, I think it looks cool.

• 38:31Speaker 02

  Right. I, I don't disagree. But on the topic of new cars, there's another one. So Villa Deste is upon us.

• 38:36Doug DeMuro?

  I know. How exciting. I'm.

• 38:37Speaker 02

  I know. Why aren't we all there right now? Imagine me at Lake Como.

• 38:40Doug DeMuro?

  I went two years ago and it was an amazing experience.

• 38:42Speaker 02

  It's prom, I don't know. It's one of the best car events of the year without question, but at this event, a lot of new cars are announced and BMW Alpina will be announcing their new cloud now. Alpina has been involved with BMW for a long time, but now it's officially under the BMW umbrella. This will be the first car that comes out as a result of that. And they've teased this silhouette of it, which is very long and swoopy looking. And it kind of looks like the eight series to me.

• 39:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's like a more.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  Do you think it's gonna be like a four door AMG GT situation? You don't, you don't think this is a four?

• 39:09Speaker 02

  I think it's gotta be a four door, cause you could, you could see where the door would be and this would be a hatchback and like, I would imagine that's like an eight series grand coupe. Like that's kind of what I think.

• 39:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 39:18Speaker 02

  It's gonna be.

• 39:19Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember the Bovin Seppen?

• 39:21Speaker 02

  Is, no.

• 39:24Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  You wanna help with some spelling there?

• 39:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. It's spelled just like it sounds.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  B O.

• 39:31Doug DeMuro?

  B O V.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  There it is.

• 39:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 39:33Speaker 02

  Hey, that's pretty close.

• 39:33Doug DeMuro?

  This was an Alpina thing, wasn't it?

• 39:35Speaker 02

  Oh, I do remember.

• 39:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think it looks amazing. It was based on the M4. I guess it's a Zagato thing. I guess it's not related to Alpina at all.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  No, no, no, it is. Cause it's a family behind Alpina that then sold Alpina to BMW, but they made a standalone project. That's based on the M4 with Zagato.

• 39:51Doug DeMuro?

  I think it looks cool as hell.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  I know. Proof that Zagato can actually make a good looking car.

• 39:55Doug DeMuro?

  And so, and so, excuse me, Zagato has made hundreds of good looking cars.

• 40:00Speaker 02

  You know, when you start to look into it, no, they haven't. Uh, there are a lot of really hayin' Zagatos.

• 40:04Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, what about the, um?

• 40:08Doug DeMuro?

  What about, oh, the Vanquish shooting brake?

• 40:12Speaker 02

  That is a good one. I'll counter it with this. The Ferrari 550, T T Z Vizagato, which is one of the ugliest vehicles I've ever seen. The overhangs are, wait, look at the side profile, good lord.

• 40:24Doug DeMuro?

  You ever see the 599 version? 599 G T Z?

• 40:27Speaker 02

  No, there is one?

• 40:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 40:29Speaker 02

  Oh man.

• 40:30Doug DeMuro?

  It's just as bad.

• 40:31Speaker 02

  599 is a good, oh my god.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  That is, those are the Alonso edition wheels.

• 40:40Doug DeMuro?

  Needless to say, that's a $4 million car. Oh, Kenan, but you know what was a good looking car? T Z 3. T Z 3, the one that was based on the Viper.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, I saw that car in person.

• 40:48Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, and how about the, um, the DB, Aston, the DB?

• 40:51Speaker 02

  The DB R1? Or the, or the DB, uh?

• 40:54Doug DeMuro?

  It was the coupe. It was like, just called it, wasn't it the DB7 Zagato? I think it was just DB7 Zagato. That was a beautiful car. So take that.

• 41:01Speaker 02

  I don't think, uh, the rear of that car is challenging to me. I don't think that's a-

• 41:07Doug DeMuro?

  I think it looks great.

• 41:08Speaker 02

  I don't think that looks good at all.

• 41:09Doug DeMuro?

  That's a beautiful car. In that era, that was a beautiful car.

• 41:12Speaker 02

  No, you know what was beautiful? The normal one and the Vanquish.

• 41:14Doug DeMuro?

  The, the normal DB7 was beautiful?

• 41:17Speaker 02

  I think the DB7 was a good looking car. The front of this is just not good.

• 41:20Doug DeMuro?

  Beautiful iteration. That gave us, that gave us the Vanquish. That front end.

• 41:23Speaker 02

  This here is blobby. Anyway.

• 41:26Doug DeMuro?

  I can't believe we're not talking about the G T 9 Sport also, the Zagato.

• 41:30Speaker 02

  But Alpina, which is not related to Zagato in any way. Glad that we had that tangent. Is, uh, is rolling this out very soon on Friday. We'll see what it looks like. Of course, this video will be in this podcast.

• 41:39Doug DeMuro?

  You'll know already.

• 41:40Speaker 02

  You'll know. We do not-

• 41:41Doug DeMuro?

  By the time you're watching this, you'll say these idiots.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  You might be in Vildestia already staring at the-

• 41:45Doug DeMuro?

  All right, are there other news stories? Surely not.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, the Fast and the Furious.

• 41:50Doug DeMuro?

  So there, there's news this week that there will be a Fast and the Furious TV show. At least one. At least one. Vin Diesel is like the produ, the executive producer of it. He has said there will be four. Nobody else has confirmed four, but I was only confirmed there'll be one. But nevertheless, there will be something emerging, one and four spinoffs that he's involved in.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  This week, The New Yorker, last week, The New Yorker has a long form article about the cultural impact that the Fast and the Furious has had on Hollywood specifically. But apparently there are actually books, one of which I bought but haven't read yet, um, about the impact of the Fast and the Furious.

• 42:23Doug DeMuro?

  Massive.

• 42:23Speaker 02

  Which by the way, came out 25 years ago in about three weeks.

• 42:27Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 42:27Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  We should remember to talk about it.

• 42:29Speaker 02

  June 20, 2001.

• 42:32Doug DeMuro?

  And one of the things that's the New York article says was that the original title was going to be Race Wars.

• 42:38Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 42:39Doug DeMuro?

  Because, you know, that was the thing in the desert that they were going to. They were gonna call it Race Wars. The article also said that Universal has made, it's seven billion dollars the movies have grossed.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  I'm surprised it's not higher.

• 42:53Doug DeMuro?

  Seven billion dollars. And it's Universal's longest running franchise ever.

• 42:59Speaker 04

  Also, by the way, if you're curious-

• 43:01Doug DeMuro?

  Fast and Furious, folks, more than you can afford, pal.

• 43:04Speaker 04

  If you're curious, you should look up why the naming structure is what it is. It has to do with like the rights that they had to use the Fast and the Furious as the name. They could have reused it in that same way.

• 43:14Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I thought the whole thing was gonna die after the third movie because the third movie, they, all the main actors were gone. And it looked like that was gonna be the end.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  But then they found a way.

• 43:24Doug DeMuro?

  They found a way.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  And then in the sixth movie, it comes back together.

• 43:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's like what I'm trying to start the Countach, you know, and it's like, and you're like, oh, is it gonna happen? You're pushing the gas and then it goes, and it's about done and then it's, and then it comes right back up.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  I hate to tell you, doesn't do that for me. Starts every time.

• 43:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, I've seen the first three and other than that, my seeing of the Fast movies-

• 43:43Speaker 04

  The fifth one is, I think, the best one.

• 43:45Speaker 02

  I've only ever seen the first one.

• 43:46Doug DeMuro?

  The first one is the greatest car movie of all time.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  First one's a great car movie. The fifth one, they drag a safe through the seats of Reader's General.

• 43:53Doug DeMuro?

  The first one is-

• 43:54Speaker 04

  They're Volkswagen Touaregs.

• 43:56Doug DeMuro?

  The first one is the greatest car movie of all time. It just is.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  They're Volkswagen Touaregs.

• 44:01Doug DeMuro?

  The first one, folks, tell them. In the comments, tell them. I know there's a lot of great car movies, but when you think about cultural impact, and when you think about staying power, and when you think about all those lines, danger to manifold, more than you can afford, pal, overnight parts from Japan, all that stuff, Fast One is probably the most impactful car movie of all time.

• 44:19Speaker 04

  But if you want to learn more about it, there's a Key Channel video all about it.

• 44:54Doug DeMuro?

  This discussion brought to you by Filippo. Summer is here, which means I've got my annual cross-country road trip coming up. And before I take off on any trip, I like to make absolutely sure my vehicle is ready for the road. You might have a trip coming up too, so I've got five things from AutoZone that'll help you get moving. And the great thing is, AutoZone is everywhere, which means wherever the road takes you, the parts you need are right there. Number one, Fix Finder. If you've got a dash light on, start with a free Fix Finder scan at AutoZone. It reads your dashboard signals, engine, ABS, maintenance, and prints out a report telling you exactly what's going on. An AutoZoner can point you to the right part or even refer you to a local shop. Fast, easy, totally free. Number two, Fluids.

• 45:39Doug DeMuro?

  Top everything off and don't forget the easy-to-overlook ones: windshield wiper fluid, brake fluid, and coolant. You can order it all on AutoZone.com and pick it up the same day. Number three, Oil. Always, always, always check it. Look at the level and the color on the dipstick. If it's due, don't wait. Ask an AutoZoner to help you grab the right oil and filter for your engine. Number four, The Essentials. Tires, lights, and battery. I always check my tire pressure before leaving. I make sure every light works and I check the wipers while I'm at it. For the battery, look for corrosion and get it tested. AutoZone does that for free. And number five, Brakes and Belts. Squealing or whining during braking? Time for a replacement.

• 46:20Doug DeMuro?

  Duralast brakes have a 100% noise-free guarantee and a factory-matched OEM fit. Need to swap a serpentine belt? AutoZone's Loan-A-Tool program has you covered. And the AutoZone app has your belt diagram right there. When it comes to car prep, a little goes a long way. Take care of your car now and it'll take care of you on the road. And if you need a part or a pit stop, AutoZone's got you covered wherever the trip takes you. Now, let's ride. Okay, I want to move on to the Talk Car segment. The Talk Car segment is brought to you by the new Lexus ES, which I recently drove for a video.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  You know what, and you made a great point in our friend group. You talked about this, why don't you have a Lexus ES?

• 47:01Speaker 04

  I've never wanted a Lexus ES. I don't buy sedans.

• 47:05Doug DeMuro?

  He's not...

• 47:06Speaker 04

  I don't buy sedans.

• 47:07Doug DeMuro?

  Give him time.

• 47:08Speaker 04

  I've owned one sedan, it was a Kia Special 2003.

• 47:10Doug DeMuro?

  You don't understand, the new Lexus ES is higher, like the Crown, so it gives an S.

• 47:14Speaker 04

  In fact, incredibly, I do understand.

• 47:16Doug DeMuro?

  I actually, Filippo, I actually have a... I actually have something for you about the Lexus ES that I think that you will appreciate hearing. This is directly from Lexus. In a market overtaken by SUVs, the ES meets the desires of guests who are looking for something different, yet enjoy the spaciousness of an SUV. And I want to make two points here. First off, they call their customers guests.

• 47:40Speaker 04

  I know, I love that.

• 47:41Doug DeMuro?

  You call us the team members?

• 47:43Speaker 04

  I love guests. I love guests a lot. But I want our team members to feel more at home, and our community to feel more at home. They're a part of it. They're not just guests.

• 47:52Doug DeMuro?

  They're not guests. That's true. The people who buy the cars, if you're watching the video right now, you're a guest. How about that? Well, move on. It's not our audience. They are our guests. No, I don't like that. No.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  They're our family, Doug.

• 48:04Doug DeMuro?

  And number two, you need to understand, in a market overtaken by SUVs, it meets the desires of guests who want the spaciousness of an SUV.

• 48:13Speaker 04

  Does it?

• 48:13Doug DeMuro?

  This is you. I can't talk about it. It's under embargo. I can't talk about it.

• 48:18Speaker 04

  It was a week ago.

• 48:19Doug DeMuro?

  But what I can talk about-

• 48:20Speaker 04

  Is the Lexus TZ, which is their new three-row EV SUV.

• 48:23Doug DeMuro?

  They did have that there. That's not what I want to talk about either, believe it or not. Felipe's like, can we please talk about the actual things people care about? No. We're going to talk about something that nobody cares about, and it's called the Lexus LBX. Have you ever heard of this car?

• 48:34Speaker 04

  I have, because I-

• 48:34Doug DeMuro?

  He's never heard of it. Pull it up.

• 48:35Speaker 04

  I looked it up when you put it in the doc.

• 48:37Doug DeMuro?

  The Lexus LBX is a Lexus car that is not sold in the United States.

• 48:42Speaker 04

  What a shame.

• 48:42Doug DeMuro?

  And it's a little luxury crossover, and you're sitting here thinking, I don't care about this. I don't want anything to do with this. It doesn't matter to me.

• 48:50Speaker 04

  It's amazing you read my mind.

• 48:52Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, but it does. Because there is, they, uh, cross. There is, Kenan, perk up, a Murizo edition of this.

• 49:01Speaker 04

  Is it really?

• 49:02Doug DeMuro?

  With 300 horsepower, all-wheel-drive, manual transmission.

• 49:06Speaker 04

  It's called the RR.

• 49:07Doug DeMuro?

  You are joking.

• 49:08Speaker 04

  I'm dead serious.

• 49:11Doug DeMuro?

  There is, there is.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  For what market? For what consumer?

• 49:14Doug DeMuro?

  Do you believe this? So this BS little car, which who cares?

• 49:17Speaker 04

  Not a Corolla Cross, babe.

• 49:18Doug DeMuro?

  There is a 300 horse turbo three cylinder Mariso edition.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  What?

• 49:24Speaker 02

  That can be honest, it looks pretty good.

• 49:26Doug DeMuro?

  It looks pretty good.

• 49:27Speaker 04

  What?

• 49:28Doug DeMuro?

  With a manual transmission.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  That's, bring that here. That is very cool.

• 49:33Doug DeMuro?

  That's pretty cool.

• 49:34Speaker 04

  So the, the, the LBX is based on a Corolla? Not, not a Corolla Cross, like a GR Corolla? Has to be.

• 49:40Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I think it's based on like the Yar, I think that motor is from the GR Yaris.

• 49:44Speaker 04

  The motor is your crawl, but.

• 49:46Doug DeMuro?

  And the GR crawl, I guess it's the same powertrain. Those are the only three cars that use it.

• 49:50Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 49:50Doug DeMuro?

  Think about that.

• 49:51Speaker 04

  Sold Australia, Japan?

• 49:53Doug DeMuro?

  Globally, they told me. And it's like globally, I'm on the globe. If you spin a globe, it's gonna come to the Americas.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  It shares the platform of the Yaris Cross, okay.

• 50:01Doug DeMuro?

  There is a car out there, a Lexus sport utility vehicle. The same company known for making vehicles that put you to sleep. That is a 300 horsepower, manual transmission, four wheel drive, little hot hatch.

• 50:16Speaker 04

  But that is a small, if it's based on Yaris Cross. That's so small, it's not sold in the US market.

• 50:20Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, the best hot hatch on the market today is being made by Lexus. Pull up an interior photo, let's see if it's any good. I haven't done any research on this car.

• 50:30Speaker 04

  This is incredible.

• 50:32Speaker 02

  If Lexus F is continuing, they want to elevate their brand in terms of sportiness and all.

• 50:36Doug DeMuro?

  They don't.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  Well, they, they're claiming to by going racing and things. If they did, bring this here.

• 50:40Speaker 04

  Six speed, I, a six speed manual, a first for Lexus.

• 50:44Doug DeMuro?

  That's incredible.

• 50:45Speaker 02

  That's amazing.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  It looks pretty good.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  I have a feeling this car would do pretty well here if they brought it here.

• 50:50Speaker 04

  It's so small. And also the, the entire Yaris platform's not.

• 50:53Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think it'll do well, but I'm sure they're cautiously awaiting the sales results for the Acura ADX to decide whether or not to bring it.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Which is bigger. Not much if it's that size.

• 51:02Doug DeMuro?

  That is cool.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  There is.

• 51:05Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, you're missing out on this. Right to your local Lexus dealership.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Does Lexus have a presence in Australia outside of the LBS?

• 51:11Doug DeMuro?

  Lexus is a global brand though. They told me that ES is sold globally. Europe, Asia, China. I'm like, really?

• 51:17Speaker 04

  Available globally and sold globally are two different savings.

• 51:21Doug DeMuro?

  That's sad, Felipe. How can you say that about the poor Lexus?

• 51:23Speaker 04

  What a great find. How did you discover this?

• 51:26Doug DeMuro?

  Cause I was looking to see, um, at one point, I wanted to see how many sedans Lexus had at one point had and how many they've down to now. Five, by the way, at one point they had five.

• 51:34Speaker 04

  Now they have two.

• 51:35Doug DeMuro?

  They have two. And the IS, who knows if that gets redisigned? And, um, and so then I was, so I was on like the model line and then I see this thing and I'm like, what the hell?

• 51:45Speaker 04

  This is incredible.

• 51:46Doug DeMuro?

  So I click on it thinking it's going to be boring, which obviously most of them are, and I discover this.

• 51:51Speaker 04

  This is incredible.

• 51:52Doug DeMuro?

  And by the way, it stands for, LBS stands for Lexus Breakthrough Crossover.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  I do remember the game we did for the Cars in Bed channel where we had to figure out what they were all after. So I appreciate you mentioning that.

• 52:05Doug DeMuro?

  Lexus Breakthrough Crossover. Uh, anyway, Kenan, what do you got for us?

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Ah, yes. So I have a video out of my channel. I did something.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  You did something.

• 52:17Speaker 02

  To my M5. You were, you wrapped it?

• 52:20Doug DeMuro?

  I, I. You're gonna show this?

• 52:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:22Doug DeMuro?

  This is terrible. I would conceal it and pretend it never happened.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  Well, I, I, I tell the truth to people.

• 52:26Doug DeMuro?

  Nick Rochon would conceal it and tell people it never happened and then sell the car.

• 52:30Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Well, I'm never selling the car. Uh, so this happened, uh, to my M5. Now I pulled.

• 52:36Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan hit a small animal.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  I, that's not true. There are no small animals in San Diego. There are no animals on the road in San Diego, period.

• 52:42Speaker 04

  He had a moose.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  I hit a moose. Yeah. Uh, no, like the A-Class, uh, I, anyway. So I pulled slightly over a, a cement parking barrier and it had two metal barbs sticking up. I did not see that. I also didn't hear it. I have dash cam footage of this and I backed up and it just went.

• 52:58Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, how tragic.

• 52:59Speaker 02

  Oh my god. And you can see me, because the dash cam is right there, I get out of the car and you can see me go like this, looking at it. And it did quite a bit of damage, which I'm gonna, luckily none of it serious, all of it cosmetic, but all of it very expensive. The bumper, the belly pan, you remember how I replaced those fender liners? I was so proud of my big deal. I had to do it again.

• 53:19Doug DeMuro?

  Why?

• 53:19Speaker 02

  Uh, once, I snapped it. This snapped the brake duct, it snapped all of this stuff underneath.

• 53:24Doug DeMuro?

  I thought you just replaced the bumper.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  No, I had to replace a lot, because it broke a lot of things. This like got stuck and ripped all, in one spot and they're all attached there and it ripped all of them.

• 53:34Doug DeMuro?

  But you were driving it around after it happened.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I removed all of that stuff. Like I put, right there, I took off the belly pan, I took off the bumper.

• 53:42Doug DeMuro?

  You know, a lot of folks say, and I'm not one of them, Filippo I bet.

• 53:45Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 53:45Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of folks say if you remove that stuff and then you drove around with it gone, maybe you didn't need it in the first place.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  You need it. Uh, so I, I-

• 53:52Speaker 04

  I shouldn't say that, what's taking that?

• 53:53Speaker 02

  Nobody says that. Uh, so yes, it was tough, I did have to drive around with the car a little bit, no, nothing mechanical happened. Luckily it didn't hurt the belly pan, or the, the oil pan rather for the car. But nonetheless, it was really difficult. But now I do have a new bumper, new fresh paint on the front of it, looks lovely.

• 54:08Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I want to give some real advice to people who, for the, whom this happens. If you've driven over a parking curb and you realize you drove over a parking curb, the only thing to do in order to prevent this from happening is to keep driving straight. Go over the parking curb with the whole car, instead of backing up.

• 54:23Speaker 02

  No, the, the only thing you can't, I mean, because people say, well, so, oh, you could pump up your tires and stuff, it's like, this would not have been enough clearance to deal with it.

• 54:31Doug DeMuro?

  Quick checks.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Yes, let me just grab those out of my trunk, because I carry those around, like that doesn't happen. And if I, the only, there was really like, also I didn't know I had done it, had I known that I'd done it.

• 54:42Doug DeMuro?

  But if you do know, do you agree you would have just kept going straight?

• 54:44Speaker 02

  No, it's a low, of course not. Outrageous statement. When I could have, it would have worked. A lot of cars, the front's the lowest part.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you are.

• 54:55Speaker 02

  I could have maybe found some wood and put it on there and backed up and that would have lifted.

• 54:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, that would have been smart. I like that.

• 55:01Speaker 02

  But like, I mean, I was in downtown San Diego at my gym. Where am I gonna go find?

• 55:05Speaker 04

  By the way, excellent parking quick checks. Like, like, like, it's like it's separated on both sides.

• 55:10Speaker 02

  Well, that was, that was the, that was the wor- well, that was one of the bad parts is I pulled in the spot, I was thrilled because I was blocked by a wall on the side and it's the dream. It's a car enthusiast. Nobody contorting me. Instead, I ripped its face off. So it's like, I can't win.

• 55:24Speaker 04

  I should say, it is back to looking great.

• 55:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, the car looks amazing now. I'm su- I'm super happy with it. But it was very expensive. I go into all this in the video. It was, it was 15 seconds. They cost me thousands of dollars.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  How many thousands?

• 55:34Speaker 02

  Uh, almost four.

• 55:35Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  That's a thousand. But there was something I wanted to learn. There was something I did want to point out too, because I worry about a lot about parts of this car not being available. Bumpers. They did a whole set of bumpers in 2024. There are thousands of them.

• 55:47Speaker 04

  Oh, that's good.

• 55:47Speaker 02

  So you can still get bumpers for this car, which is nice.

• 55:49Speaker 04

  I'm glad to hear it.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Other parts you can't, um, but, but nonetheless, it was like.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Bumpers are important.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  My point I want to make with this is even as careful as I am, things do happen to cars if you use them. I've driven the thing almost 100,000 miles now. Uh, and so it, you know, stuff happens and it's a car, ultimately I repaired it and we move on with our lives. But it was. You want to talk about exposure therapy. You remember how I was all upset about the little scuff I had on the front bumper right there?

• 56:13Speaker 04

  It's fixed now.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  This was much worse.

• 56:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, but now it's gone. So in a way, this is actually detrimental to you because you got that fixed.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I lived, I had to live with no face on the front of the car for a while. That was worse.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  It didn't have a face.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  It didn't have a chin.

• 56:24Speaker 04

  It'd be like if I took Filippo's jaw and just.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 56:29Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  So I was, this was hard, but, uh, you know, it also was making me start to think about.

• 56:36Speaker 04

  Selling the car.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  No, about getting it daily. About getting it daily. I'm tucking this away because it's like.

• 56:41Doug DeMuro?

  We're selling the car.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  This just wasn't, no.

• 56:44Doug DeMuro?

  I did think about a couple of days ago, I think maybe you should sell the car.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Were you really thinking that?

• 56:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  No, I'm not selling the car.

• 56:49Doug DeMuro?

  I'll get into it with you later, off camera.

• 56:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not gonna happen. You've tried. There's no point. Don't waste your breath.

• 56:54Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, you wanna talk about the, you went to an event?

• 56:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, we at Cars and Beds were at a Cars and Coffee that we put on alongside Tire Rack and Walnut of America and American Branching Association. And I was there alongside a couple of folks from our team, and it was very nice. I talked to like hundreds of people from the South Bend area that came down from like hours and hours away.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Hours and hours away and they were all from the South Bend area?

• 57:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Point taken.

• 57:17Speaker 02

  It's a big metro.

• 57:18Speaker 04

  I spoke poorly.

• 57:19Speaker 02

  It's a Dallas-Fort Worth.

• 57:20Speaker 04

  I spoke poorly.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  In concentric circles.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  I really, though, appreciated talking to everybody there. It was very nice. There's some gifts that I need to give you, one of from our viewers. Somebody give a little pen for Ryan. He have no AC, Ryan.

• 57:30Doug DeMuro?

  Ryan Lopez got something?

• 57:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it was very nice to kind of connect with so many people and see you all.

• 57:35Doug DeMuro?

  What was the most interesting car there? Anybody bring an LBX?

• 57:39Speaker 04

  No, sadly. But somebody did pull up in a Saturn Ion Redline with his dad, and his dad was like one of the chief engine engineers behind the LS series of engines at GM and a bunch of the other kind of GM engines that we know.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  That man's a goddamn hero.

• 57:55Speaker 04

  He pulled up in a four-cylinder Saturn.

• 57:57Doug DeMuro?

  I'm still looking for an Ion Redline to review.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  Are you?

• 58:00Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah. Are you kidding? Those cars are incredible.

• 58:03Speaker 04

  The Ion SC.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, whatever.

• 58:06Doug DeMuro?

  Or a first year with the removable, with the two-tone upper and lower. You know what the first year is? They have these removable body panels. It's a whole thing.

• 58:15Speaker 04

  I don't remember that, no.

• 58:16Doug DeMuro?

  And four-spoke wheels. The Ion was cool when it first came out and they kind of like decontested it.

• 58:20Speaker 04

  All Saturns were kind of great for a bit. I love that series Saturn.

• 58:24Doug DeMuro?

  It was a short bit. Unfortunately, we don't know that because I have a Saturn video I'm not releasing. I don't want anybody to know what's in those files.

• 58:31Speaker 04

  Can I talk about another event, though?

• 58:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, but for two seconds.

• 58:35Speaker 04

  All right, we have an event coming up at Velocity Invitational. We have an incredible lineup of cars that will be there in person and then ending on May 30th. There's a link in the bio here for the, if you're watching on YouTube, go to the page where we have all the auctions that are live. By the time this podcast goes out, there'll be 18, if not a little more auctions live with some truly special cars.

• 58:55Doug DeMuro?

  The cars we have at this are un- how did you find these cars? Did you do anything?

• 58:59Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 58:59Doug DeMuro?

  You, you must.

• 59:00Speaker 04

  But mostly not, no. I don't know these cars. But we have a 430 Scud.

• 59:03Doug DeMuro?

  You should see.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  We have a Giulia TZ1.

• 59:05Doug DeMuro?

  Can I talk about the cars?

• 59:07Speaker 04

  You may.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  Well, yes, because one of the cars I am representing myself personally is there. This Lamborghini Uracan Performante. So this car is gonna be there. I will be there. Filippo will be there.

• 59:19Doug DeMuro?

  You did this one?

• 59:20Speaker 02

  I'm personally doing this one. Yes, I did a video on this car and I'm representing it for the owner and it will be there to be very excited about.

• 59:26Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan went out to North Alabama. The other day I looked at Kenan's location. He was in Florence, Alabama. I was like, what in God's name is Kenan doing there?

• 59:32Speaker 02

  This is what I was doing.

• 59:34Doug DeMuro?

  He was with this Performante. Incredible car.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  The owner of this car, I'm gonna be helping with several of his cars. So he has this Agara Supera and Agara LP550-2 Spider. And he has an STO, really nice STO. And he's in Florence, Alabama. Which, if you're not familiar, is truly, go to the middle of nowhere, turn left and go some more. That's Florence, Alabama.

• 59:53Doug DeMuro?

  So he's got a bunch of Lambos. Does he have a Mark IV Super Turbo?

• 59:55Speaker 02

  He does not have a Mark IV Super Turbo.

• 59:57Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, um, this is cool. The cars we have are unreal.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  There's a 991 Speedster, like no miles, and a narrow-body 1999 Speedster.

• 1:00:06Doug DeMuro?

  You know the 89 Speedster?

• 1:00:07Speaker 04

  I don't know anything.

• 1:00:07Doug DeMuro?

  Of course Filippo brings up Porsches.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  And also there'll be an incredibly low mile, there'll be an incredibly low mile R34 GT-R V-spec.

• 1:00:16Doug DeMuro?

  Midnight Purple.

• 1:00:16Speaker 04

  Midnight Purple. It's a special, special car. These will all be live when you're watching this, by the way, so go check them out.

• 1:00:20Doug DeMuro?

  Go check them out. These are the coolest cars we've ever auctioned in our entire life as an auction website.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  It's a pretty serious group of cars, if I'm...

• 1:00:26Speaker 04

  Across the 18 cars, I was doing the math earlier, it's something like four and a half million dollars in cars.

• 1:00:32Doug DeMuro?

  Oh damn it. Filippo's sal- Filippo, the math man, is salivating at the op- revenue opportunity for Cars and Bids.

• 1:00:38Speaker 04

  Our RBS cap, and so our take, our effective take rate will be very, very low on our cars.

• 1:00:42Doug DeMuro?

  Cars and Bids make money. Filippo says, "Ooh, Cars and Bids!"

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  That's exactly what I say.

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  That's exactly what I do.

• 1:00:49Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo does when he goes home, folks.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  It is my literal job.

• 1:00:52Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I want to move on to the market report. Speaking of this stuff, I want to move on to the market report, which of course is brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids, oh, Sean's looking at me. No, Sean, don't. Go back down.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  Put the headphones back on. Go back in your hole.

• 1:01:04Doug DeMuro?

  Cars and Bids is the finest auction platform on the planet for anything. I, it's even, no, cars or not, it's even better than all the other stuff.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. We've auctioned all this stuff.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  We have. Auction the couch ones.

• 1:01:17Doug DeMuro?

  There's even cars and bids. There's now even cars and friends.

• 1:01:21Speaker 04

  Which is a great podcast.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  And should be called Cars and Buds, but we'll move on.

• 1:01:24Doug DeMuro?

  I did a video recently with Jason Camisa and it was quite something.

• 1:01:27Speaker 04

  I have yet to watch it, but I'm told.

• 1:01:29Doug DeMuro?

  It's great. There's more coming.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  There's some controversial ones coming.

• 1:01:32Doug DeMuro?

  There's better ones coming. That one was good. There's better ones coming. We even did a video, Jason and Doug share their controversial automotive opinions.

• 1:01:39Speaker 04

  Please tease one.

• 1:01:40Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, one of mine is that Filippo shouldn't be allowed to drive.

• 1:01:46Speaker 04

  I'm a pretty good driver. Never been in an accident, never gotten a steering ticket.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  Agrees with that.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  Never like injured a car?

• 1:01:50Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Um, I want to move on to the market report.

• 1:01:55Speaker 04

  Eventually.

• 1:01:55Doug DeMuro?

  The market report actually, of course, is brought to you by the Lexus LBX. The Lexus LBX, it is the best hot hatch for sale today.

• 1:02:02Speaker 04

  Sadly not for sale in the US.

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  Global view.

• 1:02:05Speaker 04

  I want one.

• 1:02:06Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, give us one market report and then Kenan's gonna give us one and then we're gonna move on to the questions.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:02:13Speaker 04

  Let's talk about things that I like, which is cheap, full-size SUVs.

• 1:02:16Doug DeMuro?

  Let's talk about it.

• 1:02:18Speaker 04

  No, no, start with the Q7.

• 1:02:19Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? I gave you this XC90. You owed me big.

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  We sold this Q7 for $16,000. The Q7, still the same as this generation. Hasn't changed.

• 1:02:29Doug DeMuro?

  But on Tahoe plates too, it looks so.

• 1:02:31Speaker 04

  It looks great. And it has a budget of legitimately good performance mods, uh, 034 motorsports, like a good Audi modifier. Modific.

• 1:02:39Doug DeMuro?

  This is a $16,000 car.

• 1:02:42Speaker 04

  Car. And it looks beautiful. It's like 90 something thousand.

• 1:02:45Doug DeMuro?

  So the XC90 was even more.

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  The XC90, we failed to sell.

• 1:02:49Doug DeMuro?

  Failed to sell.

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  Although it is in the right ballpark for value, because I've looked at XC90s.

• 1:02:55Doug DeMuro?

  So I sent this XC90 to Filippo. I sent this XC90, I sent it to two people, Filippo and my buddy Perry, and I sent it to both of them.

• 1:03:00Speaker 04

  Why don't you send it to us?

• 1:03:01Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. I don't know. But I sent it to both of them. We're on one text thread. Individually, I sent it to both of them. And I said, I can't believe it's a $15,000 used car. And they both said, yeah. And it, and it, and it almost looks like a brand new one.

• 1:03:11Speaker 04

  It does.

• 1:03:12Doug DeMuro?

  And I was thinking to myself, almost. I'm like.

• 1:03:13Speaker 04

  There was a facelift in 25.

• 1:03:15Doug DeMuro?

  No one can tell it apart from a new one. Most people can't tell apart from a new one. I said, most people. I can't tell it apart from, I have no clue. This to me looks like it. If I saw my neighbor get one of these, I'd be like, damn, I just got a new.

• 1:03:25Speaker 04

  There was a facelift in 25. Which looks worse, actually. It is incredible. So this is

• 1:03:30Doug DeMuro?

  It's a $15,000 car.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  It does not look like it.

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  2023 had a bunch of upgrades to the plug-in hybrid.

• 1:03:37Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan.

• 1:03:38Speaker 04

  But nevertheless.

• 1:03:38Doug DeMuro?

  You could buy this and look rich today.

• 1:03:42Speaker 04

  You will look rich and you'd be safe.

• 1:03:43Speaker 02

  No, the point of this is like I was talking about, is a daily to retire the M5 as a daily. It's like, there are a lot of

• 1:03:49Doug DeMuro?

  If you can't drive an XC90.

• 1:03:50Speaker 02

  No, obviously I can't, but like there are appealing options out there.

• 1:03:53Doug DeMuro?

  Go back to that Q7. I want to look at it again. Try it in Q7. I just want to see the

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  They're all general, all of them.

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  Incredibly. Just that one was a beautiful color with some

• 1:04:01Doug DeMuro?

  Look at these results. These cars, $13,000 for a 17.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  I know. It's appealing.

• 1:04:05Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. $14,800 for this. These are brand new looking cars.

• 1:04:08Speaker 04

  It is truly incredibly appealing.

• 1:04:10Doug DeMuro?

  It's the current design.

• 1:04:11Speaker 04

  Yes. It's incredibly appealing. We have our station wagon, which I love and will keep for a long time. But my wife has always wanted either a V6 RAV4. That was her dream car for years.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  Or an XC90.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  XC90, it is.

• 1:04:23Speaker 04

  You know, it could be something that we make happen for 15 grand.

• 1:04:27Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you know, you can get an early XC90 for like two.

• 1:04:29Speaker 04

  A first gen.

• 1:04:30Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up XC90.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  She's a second gen fan.

• 1:04:34Doug DeMuro?

  Or order by lowest price. Let's see how cheap these got.

• 1:04:36Speaker 04

  Oh, free.

• 1:04:38Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this. That is to this day, I'm going to go out on a limb. Click on that one. That is to this day, the greatest looking SUV of all time.

• 1:04:45Speaker 04

  E53X5.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd put the X5 in there as well.

• 1:04:48Doug DeMuro?

  This is the greatest looking SUV of all time.

• 1:04:50Speaker 04

  Yamaha V8.

• 1:04:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yamaha V8, straight pipe it.

• 1:04:53Speaker 04

  Although this one, there was a few years when it wasn't Yamaha V8.

• 1:04:56Doug DeMuro?

  All right, Kenan, can you give us a market report, please?

• 1:04:58Speaker 02

  Yes. I noticed something interesting this past week. So we sold a car that I'm not sure it's going to come up like that.

• 1:05:04Speaker 04

  It's sold, so you guys will know more.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Oh, wait. We have a lot of Chevy

• 1:05:08Speaker 04

  We have a lot.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  Really did not realize.

• 1:05:11Speaker 04

  It turns out also, oh yeah, wow. My goodness. This closed three days ago. There's 12.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, we sold

• 1:05:16Doug DeMuro?

  We're running. Did you see the result here?

• 1:05:18Speaker 04

  Joe, just so people know, if they are in May, we have 275 cars live at any given moment now. We're running 55 a day. You gotta scroll.

• 1:05:25Speaker 02

  Back in the day, yeah, like six years ago almost. It was, we start, yeah. So this is a 1922 Chevy 490 Touring. So this is a pre-war car. This is a brass era, which is completely incorrect. That ended in 1915. But this car, this car.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  This sold for 4,720 American dollars. Now, here's the thing, I, this is like a canary in the coal mine to me. When I think about like, you know, a lot of people talk about it's like, oh, cars from the 1950s. The generation that appreciates those is diminishing, we'll say.

• 1:05:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:55Speaker 02

  And what's going to happen to those cars? This, this is what is going to happen.

• 1:06:00Doug DeMuro?

  Type in Chevelle. Type in Chevelle.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:02Doug DeMuro?

  I had a buddy, a neighbor of mine, sell his Chevelle. This car, 47 he sold it for, and he had bought it years ago on Bring the Trailer. And he modded it, made it nice, and it's a really nice car.

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  It looks nice, yeah.

• 1:06:13Doug DeMuro?

  And he sold it for about what he paid for, he put a lot of money in it, sold it about what he paid for. I think he was disappointed, but I've been, I've been watching over at the Bring the Trailer, the old Porsches. It ain't pretty. The really old ones. Modern stuff, the 993s, the modern air-cooled, and this is a trend. This is, this is so clearly happening.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Yep, yeah.

• 1:06:32Doug DeMuro?

  This car is definitely like a bit of a bellwether because it's really old. Four grand, I mean, come on, it is non-running, but the car probably has four moving parts.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  Right, right, yeah. Okay, let's say you double the amount that's into it, like, I mean, you know what I mean, it's not.

• 1:06:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. But that Chevelle, old 911s, long hoods, the kind of stuff Sean's into. The, this world, this world is changing.

• 1:06:51Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:06:52Doug DeMuro?

  The 60s stuff, the 50s stuff, the 20s stuff.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  Right, right, I realize this is a bit of a stretch, but my, my point remains, like, I think, this is a signal, Terry. And as you see all of these cars, all of these modern Ferraris and all of these more modern cars from kind of our era become expensive.

• 1:07:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  The changing of the guard is happening. And like, you know, even like David Lee's 250 GTO result, like, people said that was low, it's like, I don't know, I think that's kind of where it is.

• 1:07:18Doug DeMuro?

  Correct and probably falling.

• 1:07:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:20Doug DeMuro?

  There will be a time when the 250 GTO is not the world's most expensive car. Granted, it's that Mercedes that, that sold for 150 million. But that was like a one of one, like, the 250 GTO as a theme, I suspect, will eventually get replaced by vehicles such as the Carrera GT with the Formula One powertrain.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  Which it does not have, of course, but nonetheless, an interesting case study.

• 1:07:38Doug DeMuro?

  It is an interesting case study.

• 1:07:40Speaker 04

  Since you're on Porsches, can I say one thing about Porsche market?

• 1:07:42Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, here we go.

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  Google, look up 992.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  Oh my god. What, what tidbit are you gonna hit us with here?

• 1:07:49Doug DeMuro?

  We gotta talk about Porsches. We gotta talk about Porsches today, can't we?

• 1:07:51Speaker 02

  He's just a Porsche guy, god, you know, him getting a 911 is the worst thing that's ever happened.

• 1:07:55Doug DeMuro?

  That's a 2020 911, 10,000 miles, Miami blue.

• 1:07:58Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:07:59Doug DeMuro?

  Sticker on it was 137.

• 1:08:01Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:08:01Doug DeMuro?

  So with. Old Porsches going down. New Porsches, apparently, even automatic 992s that are so replaceable are at MSRP.

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  It's because it takes no effort to own one. I think that's part of it.

• 1:08:13Doug DeMuro?

  But there's some disaffirmability to that. Even for an enthusiast, you know, that's a good daily.

• 1:08:18Speaker 02

  Great daily. It's a great daily.

• 1:08:20Doug DeMuro?

  At MSRP six years later, I don't get it. If you've got something special in the garage you want to preserve, like a Mark IV Supra, it's a good daily. Yeah. By the way, obviously, good photos, no reserve, etc. But still. In good color and low miles. Because it's not like they made money on it. I mean, they only drove, they only got 10,000 miles out of six years. So there was a barely driven car and it still dropped. But your point is well taken. It still dropped at MSRP. You know, a Highlander. Right. You would have lost more money on a Highlander. People go, oh, the Porsches are so expensive. Well, actually, TCO, the Highlander is more expensive. Somehow. Yeah. Okay, time for the questions. Time for the questions. The questions, of course, are brought to you by Kennon's Hair. Kennon's Hair.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  There's lots of it and it's very thick.

• 1:08:57Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you too can ask your own question. You can't have hair like that. No, I've not. I've tried. It does not work.

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  I feel very lucky as I'm 30. I have lots of hair.

• 1:09:04Doug DeMuro?

  But you can ask a question. You go to carsandbids.com, you click somewhere on the community tab, then you click somewhere in there. Yeah, also there's a link in the description. Okay, questions. We want your good questions. This week, they were pretty good, so we're going to answer a few of them, starting with one U.S. It's like Lewis, but the one is an L. The L is a one. Uh, hey Doug, curious on pre-production cars after I saw the EX60 video. Do they let you drive it, just not review it? When you do drive them, are they really rough? No, usually the pre-production cars, when I get them to review, are actually production cars that they claim are pre-production cars. They usually are made on the assembly line. They usually are made with basically all the same tolerances and stuff. But there might be a few little things that aren't quite working perfectly. The main reason that

• 1:09:48Doug DeMuro?

  we're not allowed to actually drive or driving review pre-production cars is it's an embargo thing. They don't want me to have an advantage over other people, whatever. They don't want to kind of piecemeal give out cars to people. So there's going to be an actual launch that where they actually have people drive the cars all at once so they can, they can do a true, you know, embargo release of all the reviews. I remember the Ford Bronco for you being an exception to that, right? There have been a few that. I've done like the cars that were basically concept cars that weren't actually running, but stuff like the EX60, I've done it with a few, a bunch of other cars actually where they're pre-production, but like, like the ID Buzz I did a long time, it was pre-production, but like, it was production. But they want to tell you that it's pre-production to kind of couch any potential issues. And there might be some potential issues, but usually the cars are

• 1:10:31Doug DeMuro?

  pretty much ready to go. They just, you can't, that's if you're going to release a car, you can't release it to one person. You have to wait until all the production ready cars and all the people are at the same place. And that's just the fair way to do it. We're all about fairness here. Um, next question from Ryan D79, and this is for us. Dude, in general, you seem to prefer unmodified cars. During the WS6 video, though, you mentioned how good the aftermarket shift knob was. Yeah, but you should see how good the OE one is.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  You tell them.

• 1:11:02Doug DeMuro?

  What was your favorite modification? Are there any modifications that you thought you wouldn't like that you did like? I'm not opposed to modifications.

• 1:11:07Speaker 02

  I'm not, particularly in the case of reliability. That's a big one, or usability. So for instance, like adding a Bluetooth module to a car, something that gives you the ability to stream your phone to the car. Fantastic. Makes the user experience much better.

• 1:11:20Doug DeMuro?

  More or less, all of my cars are modified. That car's not, but the other ones, I mean, we added an axle lift and a Bluetooth and heated seats to the Carrera GT. The Countach got a built motor. Hell, yeah. The Ford GT's got stuff. I mean, they all, the short shifter and exhaust, they all have stuff. I'm not opposed to modifications. I just, some people, and I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna name anybody. I don't want to embarrass Ryan Lopez, but some people take it a little far.

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Well, when you, when you completely transform the experience of the car in a way that makes it objectively worse, and harder to use because it bottoms out on a leaf, like it just is not, like reasonable. Like, I just don't like that. Like, I want to use the car. I drive. So like,

• 1:12:03Doug DeMuro?

  Exactly.

• 1:12:03Speaker 02

  You know, I'm not about that.

• 1:12:05Doug DeMuro?

  I think that the, um, that the modifications I don't like are the ones that either drastically change the look from a car that's look I already liked, um, or ones that change the driving experience to make it significantly worse. Now, there's arguments over what worse could be. Ryan would argue that his drift car is better. Because of how he modified it, which may be true, but he also can no longer drive the car.

• 1:12:27Speaker 02

  Right, right. I have not seen it leave this office. Been a long time. It sits over there.

• 1:12:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but he can drift the car.

• 1:12:34Speaker 02

  He can drift the car. Also never seen him do that.

• 1:12:36Doug DeMuro?

  Never seen him do that.

• 1:12:36Speaker 02

  Seen him drive the cars in coffee and it sits statically there, but yeah, that's where the, yeah, especially the reliability thing. Cause there's nothing less cool than breaking down on a car.

• 1:12:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. So I mean, I'm not opposed to mods. I just, I would, I have a limit. My limit is probably shorter than what most people's limit is, but all my cars are modded in some capacity. I just get it. You put the big wheels on and the this and then that and blackout stuff. And it starts to be like, eh, I'm not really into those kind of mods. That's what I would say.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. And neither is the market that will then buy your car after that.

• 1:13:06Doug DeMuro?

  With some exceptions, yeah.

• 1:13:07Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, very far and few between.

• 1:13:09Doug DeMuro?

  And part of the question is, has there ever been a mod that you thought you wouldn't like that you did like? There are some wheels that I think are okay. Other than that, yeah, some stuff. I mean, short trip, nothing that I go in thinking I'm not gonna like.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  No, there's, yeah, there are definitely some mods I've seen. I saw a, an R53 Mini, just a nice little red one with white OZ wheels on it. And it looked so nice. I was like, that's cool. Like I'm here for that.

• 1:13:31Doug DeMuro?

  There's also a lot of like exhausts that do actually sound good or open up an engine or whatever.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  Yes, there are some that are approved.

• 1:13:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, okay. Next question from Rex 7277. Dear Doug, what happened to the bloopers at the end of the videos? The question for Nick, our editor. Not crazy Nick, who I wouldn't trust to edit.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  Oh my God, can you imagine?

• 1:13:52Speaker 02

  Edit a tin can.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  I don't disagree. I don't know what that means, but.

• 1:14:00Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't trust crazy Nick to edit a, a voice message that James Inglesman sends me from Toronto. Anyway, uh, what happened to the bloopers? The answer is I became a professional. I don't have any bloopers.

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:14:13Doug DeMuro?

  Next question.

• 1:14:14Speaker 02

  Editor Nick is nodding.

• 1:14:16Doug DeMuro?

  It's very rare. I used to have more, but like, I'm pretty good at this now. And it's actually very unusual that I like mess up. And when I do, I usually just start again. There's not much laughter and stuff. Sometimes it happens, but it's rare. It's rare.

• 1:14:30Doug DeMuro?

  The TZ, we got an Alpha TZ coming, that's, but that's live, right? That's live right now. There's a blooper in this week's video. Take that, Mr. Rex7277. From, next question from DaddyDoug26. We're speeding through these. To DaddyDoug and friends, carmakers saw how iconic the lightweight three-seater sports cars like the F1 and T50 are. Why don't other automakers make them now that they see how Gordon Murray was able to do it? Gordon Murray was not able to do it. It's an important distinction. The T50 is not legal in the US. It's only here under shore display, which is a law created for very special, very limited production cars to come in and be driven by rich guys. And there are airbag regulations that prevent three-seater seating arrangement in vehicles. The McLaren Speedtail

• 1:15:15Doug DeMuro?

  had the same problem. It also is a three-seater, one in the center, two on the sides. The side seats, even though there are probably airbags somewhere in front of them, are not close enough to the airbag to comply with US regulations, so the Speedtail also was a car that had to be brought under shore display. You cannot, the question is actually, how, now that they've seen Gordon Murray has been able to mass produce it, how, why don't other automakers do it? There's no mass production of this. The only way that these cars are allowed to be sold in the US is through their shore display, which hinges on their low production. There will be no other cars, unless they could figure out a way to get an airbag in front of those middle passenger, those side passengers, but that's basically impossible because of egress. Like, you'd have to put an airbag essentially where the door opening is to get to climbing inside. I don't think it's possible. Anything to add?

• 1:16:00Doug DeMuro?

  You wish they had them.

• 1:16:01Speaker 02

  Oh, god, yes.

• 1:16:34Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question, uh, from XT Ben. This is one for Kenan. Dear Doug, but it's for Kenan. As you grow older, again for Kenan, do you find that you have less patience for daily driving a fun car? Will you not tolerate daily in a car with sporty suspension, for example, big bolstered seats, etc.?

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I mean, luckily, my daily driver is pretty comfortable.

• 1:16:53Doug DeMuro?

  As you get older?

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  You know, I have run into situations where I'm like, it doesn't need to be a manual for this situation. Which is something I never thought I'd say. That said, I did buy an automatic and I was like, this is, what am I doing? This is boring. And I went back to having a manual. So I'm not quite there yet. I'm on the precipice.

• 1:17:11Doug DeMuro?

  But when you drive hard-edged cars, do you feel now different than you did when you were 23?

• 1:17:16Speaker 02

  I've always felt like this.

• 1:17:18Doug DeMuro?

  Really? Like, when you drove those types of cars when you were young, like you occasionally would get rotten, you know?

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  You know, I like it on occasions, like, like the, the four day Duna Coupe that I drove, that, I mean, that thing was, I mean, that's a race car, make no mistake about it. And I loved it, but I'm like, this is great as a fifth car in your garage. I would not want that as the second car.

• 1:17:36Doug DeMuro?

  And you've always felt this way? This hasn't changed as you've gotten older?

• 1:17:38Speaker 02

  No, for me, no. I, I've always liked it slightly more comfortable.

• 1:17:41Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe, you've obviously never been into sports cars. Um, obviously for me, yes, deeply. I, I, um... You, there's been a noticeable change. Yeah. Like, I daily boring cars. Yeah.

• 1:17:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:50Doug DeMuro?

  And a nine and three twin turbo.

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  The all...

• 1:17:52Doug DeMuro?

  Fuck, I said! Compared to that.

• 1:17:55Speaker 02

  I think the all, the all terrain was kind of like an eye-opening thing. That car is just like, you didn't need the...

• 1:17:59Doug DeMuro?

  It had four and a half seconds zero to sixty. Yeah, remember, that car's faster than Nick's wagon, zero to sixty. Yeah. Especially with Nick driving it.

• 1:18:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's so comfortable and it's like, its purpose is just like ease and it's just like, nice. Everything about it is just nice.

• 1:18:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Speaker 02

  And for a daily, that's what you want.

• 1:18:11Doug DeMuro?

  I've got more into that. Could be your only car.

• 1:18:13Speaker 04

  Can I share a story? I mentioned, I mentioned a few weeks ago that my wife, who drives a lot, uh, and, and in traffic, was getting a little tired of having a manual transfer.

• 1:18:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh huh.

• 1:18:22Speaker 04

  Uh, today, she's in a Hyundai Elantra, a rental car, because a bunch of logistical reasons. And she called me on her way up, uh, to Riverside and complained that it wasn't peppy enough and that it didn't handle well enough.

• 1:18:36Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, so...

• 1:18:36Speaker 02

  Wow, didn't handle well enough? What was she doing?

• 1:18:39Doug DeMuro?

  I don't ask questions. She, what time is she doing? She's gotten experience in a GTI.

• 1:18:43Speaker 02

  She's, she's white line certified now.

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, we're gonna do one...

• 1:18:46Speaker 04

  So she doesn't feel that way.

• 1:18:47Doug DeMuro?

  We're gonna do one more question. One more question.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:18:51Doug DeMuro?

  From InkDroidB.

• 1:18:53Doug DeMuro?

  With BMW stopping production of the Z4, Jaguar F-Type is gone, Porsche's Boxer is gone. Do roadsters have any hope in the US market?

• 1:19:00Speaker 04

  The Miata.

• 1:19:00Doug DeMuro?

  First off, not just the US market, but globally, the TT is not mentioned there, that's also gone.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  But it might be back.

• 1:19:05Doug DeMuro?

  Mercedes SLK is gone, SLC is gone.

• 1:19:09Speaker 04

  The CLE though is around.

• 1:19:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, but it's a question about roadsters, which I think specifically is referring to two-seater.

• 1:19:15Speaker 04

  We did, we did forget to talk about the Z4 is dead.

• 1:19:18Doug DeMuro?

  The Z4 is dead.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  We didn't talk about in the news, but.

• 1:19:21Doug DeMuro?

  Are roadsters gone? I'll tell you this, the most popular convertible on sale today?

• 1:19:26Speaker 04

  Jeep Wrangler.

• 1:19:27Doug DeMuro?

  A Jeep Wrangler, roadsters live!

• 1:19:29Speaker 04

  It might be the Ford Bronco this year, we don't know yet, but.

• 1:19:32Doug DeMuro?

  I do think that there is less and less of a market for those cars, and the SUV killed them like it killed everything else.

• 1:19:39Speaker 04

  I also think that the part of the premise of a roadster is some relative affordability. Like, the people that want more luxury and higher end are probably gonna want four seats, or just more space. It's like the roadster specifically, like an affordable segment comparatively, that is also kinda just gone.

• 1:19:57Doug DeMuro?

  I think so. The new SL became a roadster, that's not selling at all, to utter trash. I think that the market.

• 1:20:02Speaker 04

  The Granada is most, no, four seats.

• 1:20:04Doug DeMuro?

  I think that even then, just convertibles, like I think that the market has generally sort of started to reject less practical cars.

• 1:20:11Speaker 04

  Except for?

• 1:20:13Doug DeMuro?

  Except for the Mustang.

• 1:20:14Speaker 04

  Except for two seats, manual, top.

• 1:20:18Doug DeMuro?

  The Miata?

• 1:20:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:20:19Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, to a degree, I guess, you know, the Miata's in its 13th year in its life cycle because there's not a lot of will to redesign, right? I think that they will redesign, but like, it's not like every, it used to be where like, you know, there was a convertible version of the Chevy Cavalier. The Toyota Paseo, the Honda Civic, like all these cars, yeah dude, the Civic convertible, look it up! It was called the Delsol.

• 1:20:44Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, that's why, I was. But that was a separate model.

• 1:20:48Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, it was a separate model?

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  I, I was trying to think if there was ever, if it was ever called the Civic convertible.

• 1:20:53Doug DeMuro?

  It was called the Civic Delsol, Civic of the sun!

• 1:20:56Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:20:58Doug DeMuro?

  Point taken.

• 1:21:01Speaker 02

  Yes, in this case.

• 1:21:02Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, the convertibles are gone. I do legitimately believe the SUV played a big role in that. I think that there used to be that in order to have any sort of performance, you had to get sort of a sportier car. And these days, everything has pretty good performance. And also, people want to set up high and have practicality. And the fact that they're able to do all that in one vehicle, as opposed to compromising on stuff that roadsters used to make you compromise on, why not just get an Evoque? It's as fast as a roadster, it's cool, and it's also can fit all your friends and your dog and your frisbee golf, if you're Felipe.

• 1:21:31Speaker 04

  I do miss frisbee golf. I used to play.

• 1:21:33Doug DeMuro?

  I knew it. I knew it. I never knew that.

• 1:21:38Speaker 04

  I do think that I'm excited for Lexus's PR speak when they reveal the ES convertible. Can do everything a normal convertible can.

• 1:21:45Doug DeMuro?

  What Lexus should do is give us the LBX. We want the LBX. Start a letter writing campaign.

• 1:21:49Speaker 04

  L-B-X.

• 1:21:50Doug DeMuro?

  Go to your Lexus dealership.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  The Marizzo edition specifically.

• 1:21:53Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, not the regular trash.

• 1:21:55Speaker 02

  God, I say that.

• 1:21:56Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, any final words? Sean, do we have to promote anything that you haven't told us yet to promote? We did it. I'm pretty good at slipping those in.

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:22:05Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe slips it in.

• 1:22:07Speaker 02

  Check out all the Velocity cars. I also did a video on Mach 1 that's coming soon.

• 1:22:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the Velocity cars are so cool. So cool. Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:22:14Speaker 02

  Goodbye.