The 2025 Movie Star Rankings: 35 Over 35. Plus: Nicolas Cage!

Sean and Amanda briefly react to the news that President Donald Trump wants to impose a 100 percent tariff on any films produced outside of the United States (1:46). Then, they react to the new trailer for Spike Lee’s film ‘Highest 2 Lowest’ and discuss ‘Another Simple Favor,’ the sequel to ‘A Simple Favor,’ starring Blake Lively (7:41). Later, they create their 2025 Movie Star Rankings, where they select and rank the 35 biggest movie stars over the age of 35 (21:11). Finally, Sean is joined by Nicolas Cage to talk about his new film, ‘The Surfer’; what attracts him to certain projects at this stage of his career; and the actors who have inspired him as a performer (1:51:17). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Nicolas Cage Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:57Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessy.

• 1:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 1:59Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the Big Picture A Conversation Show about movie stars. Later in this episode, I'll be joined by a movie star. His name is Nicolas Cage. Longtime listeners of the show know what a fan I am of Cage's work. His new film, The Surfer, is another fascinating chapter in his exploration of the surreal, psychedelic, and terrifying. Nicolas was a classic Big Picture guest. He is obsessed with talking about movies, so please stick around for my conversation with him. Spoiler alert: he does not figure into our 35 over 35 movie stars list, Amanda. We will be building that list again in its entirety. How did you find this exercise?

• 2:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Fun.

• 2:37Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 2:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I like it.

• 2:38Sean Fennessey?

  I like it, too. You think the listeners at home will enjoy it as much as we do?

• 2:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Definitely. They like all our lists.

• 2:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:44Amanda Dobbins?

  They understand how list making works. And they share our opinions about movie stars and movies at large.

• 2:50Sean Fennessey?

  I wonder if they share our opinions about American politics.

• 2:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 2:54Sean Fennessey?

  Because before we get to our list, we have a couple of things we need to cover off on. Super important. Yesterday, on the Truth Social Media App, President Donald Trump...

• 3:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it an app?

• 3:05Sean Fennessey?

  I honestly don't know. I've never opened, I've never sought it out. I only see it when it is screenshotted on X and shared, or on Blue Sky. I saw it in both places yesterday. Any people let me know that the President has weighed in on movies. This is what he wrote on that app. "The movie industry in America is dying," all caps, "a very fast death. Other countries are offering all sorts of incentives to draw our filmmakers and studios away from the United States. Hollywood and many other areas within the USA are being devastated. This is a concerted effort by other nations and therefore a national security threat. It is, in addition to everything else, messaging and propaganda. Therefore, I am authoring the Department of Commerce and the United States Trade Representative

• 3:49Sean Fennessey?

  to immediately begin the process of instituting a 100% tariff on any and all movies coming into our country that are produced in foreign lands." All caps, "We want movies made in America again."

• 4:02Sean Fennessey?

  Now...

• 4:04Sean Fennessey?

  First, they came for democracy and I said nothing. Then they came for basic human rights and I said nothing. And now that he's come for movies, it is time for me to speak out.

• 4:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:14Sean Fennessey?

  I can't let this stand.

• 4:17Sean Fennessey?

  This is absolute gobbledygook bullshit.

• 4:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and it also sucks. It's like, it sucks that we are being roped in to this circus because it is so clearly, I mean, I don't know whether his strategy is at levels where he is thinking this is a diversion from all of the truly horrific and scary and outrageous things that are happening in this country by this government, by Donald Trump's orders, but like, now we gotta spend time on this bullshit that doesn't make sense and isn't even real, instead of, you know, focusing on the things that are like, are truly newsworthy, but also he's complicating a thing that really is a problem.

• 5:04Sean Fennessey?

  Correct.

• 5:05Amanda Dobbins?

  But also, he's not, he's just making it worse. And so now we have to be bullshit cable news people being like, well, you know, the tariffs function under the whatever act of the something, like, I can't believe we have to do this. This fucking sucks.

• 5:20Sean Fennessey?

  We don't technically have to. I think it's worth addressing because obviously.

• 5:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course, we have to address it.

• 5:24Sean Fennessey?

  He's a celebrity, he instituted these celebrity ambassadors to Hollywood in his administration. It seems like he spent the weekend with Jon Voight and they basically, I don't know, had a few pops and decided to start talking about how to fix Hollywood, which, you know, obviously what's happening in Hollywood is obvious. We've talked about it quite a bit, especially in the aftermath of the strikes, which is that a lot of production has moved out of the city, a lot of production has moved out of the United States. This is impacting a lot of people. It's not really impacting movie stars or big directors. It's impacting the people whose careers are built inside the industry, you know, the people who are electricians and technicians and work in crafts departments and work in all the various physical ways that movies need to get made. So there is a real problem in LA and around the country where there's just not a lot

• 6:08Sean Fennessey?

  of work because tax incentives overseas have drawn that business away. The way to fix that. Is of cour- I don't even understand what it means to have a tariff. A tariff doesn't, like, a movie doesn't come in through a port.

• 6:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 6:21Sean Fennessey?

  This isn't, not, not a physical item. Like, it's a-

• 6:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Your Blu-rays do, so that's tough for you.

• 6:26Sean Fennessey?

  I, I'm aware of that and have been thinking about that.

• 6:28Amanda Dobbins?

  But I aren't, I assume they're just already being tariffed under all the other tariffs, so-

• 6:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, but the, the, the movies themselves, I mean, who is being tariffed? To the movie studio, the streamer, the movie theater that is showing the film? Like, this is fucking nonsense.

• 6:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Movies produced in other countries, like, what does this mean? Is it shot, is it, is it that it's shot there? Is it that it's funded? Is it that there's post-production? Is it all of the above? It is, is it whoever Donald Trump is pissed off with? Like, you know, on any given, like, Sunday night, after, like, watching 60 Minutes, I guess?

• 6:59Sean Fennessey?

  I did apply, like, 30 minutes of hard thinking to this last night and immediately regretted it, because it's, it's a fake plan with no rules.

• 7:05Amanda Dobbins?

  He's already running it back.

• 7:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 7:07Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, they're already giving press conferences. I'm just on deadline right now and there will, like, be a meeting. Great, love a meeting.

• 7:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 7:14Amanda Dobbins?

  We've kind of planned to a plan. What was that nonsense? And "I'm not looking to hurt the industry" is the new quote. Oh, okay. It's, this is, fuck off.

• 7:23Sean Fennessey?

  That's, that's how I feel.

• 7:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:25Sean Fennessey?

  That's how I feel. This is bullshit and, uh, people shouldn't pay too much attention to it, but,

• 7:30Sean Fennessey?

  you know, everything he does poisons the discourse around that thing. And I don't want the discourse to be poisoned. Should we just say that this is the last we'll speak of it unless we absolutely necessarily have to?

• 7:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 7:41Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 7:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I mean, are, are we still allowed to make tariff jokes?

• 7:46Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, we gotta get CR in here on that one.

• 7:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, or Jon Voight jokes.

• 7:50Sean Fennessey?

  Jon Voight jokes will never die.

• 7:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 7:51Sean Fennessey?

  I tariff jokes.

• 7:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that's, I mean, that's the thing is that, like, I don't even really feel like doing a bit about it. It's so, it's such a combination of gross and annoying and, like, a bridge to the other problems that I'm, like, really deeply angry and upset about, that I don't feel like, you know, making a joke about how I've been moonlighting as Jon Voight's assistant or whatever, but-

• 8:13Sean Fennessey?

  I share your frustration and, um, it's obviously comes on the heels of the time when international entertainment is like a big part of the American consumptive habit, like Squid Game and Parasite winning Best Picture and, you know, Anatomy of a Fall and Shogun and Emilio Perez. Like, these are all like a part of a global culture that is movies and television. So, this whole thing is just fucking nonsense. Anyway, moving on, um-

• 8:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Reset.

• 8:38Sean Fennessey?

  Reset.

• 8:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I do this with a toddler all the time, but I need to do it emotionally for me too.

• 8:42Sean Fennessey?

  I kind of have some, a much lower octave of rage around this small thing, though. I want to share with you, okay?

• 8:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I already know what you're gonna say, and I agree. And I had this same thought process.

• 8:52Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so, "Highest to Lowest" is a new film coming to us from Spike Lee, starring Denzel Washington. I believe it's their fifth film together. Highly anticipated, a remake of Akira Kurosawa's "High and Low." 824 and Apple produced the movie. We've been waiting to hear when it's gonna premiere here. It's gonna be playing at Cannes in, I think, a week and a half. And we learned this morning that it opens on August 22nd. There was a teaser that uses the big payback by James Brown. All you need to do to look at the teaser is be like, "Oh shit, Spike Lee, Denzel Washington, crime movie." Say no more.

• 9:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Sick.

• 9:24Sean Fennessey?

  We're good. Like, this is gonna be fun?

• 9:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:26Sean Fennessey?

  It'll be a cool movie. Here's what I don't understand. Movies opening in movie theaters August 22nd, going to Apple TV Plus on September 5th. What? Why?

• 9:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I have no idea.

• 9:36Sean Fennessey?

  Why not? Can I? I've done some research.

• 9:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 9:40Sean Fennessey?

  The last 10 crime dramas that Denzel Washington has appeared in, here is the global gross for the last 10. We'll go all the way back to "Inside Man," his last crime drama with Spike Lee. 185 million. Then "Déjà Vu," 181 million. "American Gangster," 267 million. "The Taking of Pelham 123," 152 million. "Safe House," 207 million. "Two Guns," 132 million. "The Equalizer," 192 million. "The Equalizer 2," 190 million. "The Little Things," which was day and date during the pandemic, still made 30 million. And then "The Equalizer 3," 191 million. So... We're about to talk about Denzel Washington on this list. His movies make money in movie theaters. He was just in Gladiator 2, made $400 million. Why is this movie going straight to streaming?

• 10:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I have ab-

• 10:25Sean Fennessey?

  After Labor Day? What the fuck is this?

• 10:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I have absolutely no idea. Other than, like, Apple is like, "I guess we wanna..."

• 10:30Sean Fennessey?

  Why?

• 10:30Amanda Dobbins?

  "...collect on our investment." I don't know. They wanna boost... I don't know. I don't know. Also, August 22nd. What are we doing?

• 10:37Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not attacking you. I'm just mad. I mean, this is stupid.

• 10:39Amanda Dobbins?

  This is like the instigators dump. Do you remember? Like, which is, which made me nervous, but then I'm not nervous because it's Spike Lee and Denzel.

• 10:47Sean Fennessey?

  Even if it's a mess, like, of the 10 movies, like, I'm not the world's biggest "Two Guns" fan, but it's like, just put the movie in movie theaters. Like, it just, it makes no sense. Like, why are you making movies with big movie stars and Spike Lee if you're not gonna put them in movie theaters for more than two weeks?

• 11:02Amanda Dobbins?

  People do go see movies in August, like it has been shaken up a bit. So I, the, the windowing thing, you know, I don't know. I, I, I agree with you. I guess Apple doesn't care.

• 11:15Amanda Dobbins?

  They got the tariffs reversed.

• 11:16Sean Fennessey?

  And this is on the heels of the Fountain of Youth thing that I was annoyed about. And then also

• 11:23Sean Fennessey?

  The Gorge, and then also The Instigators. And I'm sure it's like moderately growing their film business, but this can't, this, this is not the way. At a time when people want to go to the movies, this is not the way. I'm sorry.

• 11:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I really don't get it.

• 11:37Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Let's pivot to actual movies that we've seen.

• 11:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, this will, this will be a real uplift.

• 11:43Sean Fennessey?

  The original impetus for the 35 over 35 list this year is Another Simple Favor, which is a sequel.

• 11:49Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just, it's, it's, it's a peg.

• 11:51Sean Fennessey?

  It's a peg.

• 11:52Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a news peg. It doesn't, it, it's not.

• 11:54Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I located a time when it would be appropriate to talk about.

• 11:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 11:58Sean Fennessey?

  Because we've got a movie with two 35 over 35 stars.

• 12:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 12:03Sean Fennessey?

  The question of whether or not they would make the list popped into my mind. One of them has certainly gotten more famous since we last did this list.

• 12:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so, but not in a good way.

• 12:12Sean Fennessey?

  Infamous perhaps?

• 12:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 12:14Sean Fennessey?

  So Another Simple Favor, a sequel to the 2018 movie, which kind of caught me by surprise. I didn't see it in theaters. I think I watched it maybe on VOD at home. I thought it was perfectly fine. Directed by Paul Feig, who directed Bridesmaids and The Heat and a number of other movies. This is his 12th feature, Paul Feig.

• 12:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 12:31Sean Fennessey?

  But it's his third consecutive straight to streaming movie. Again, why is this movie straight to streaming? The original made $97 million in, in movie theaters. Explain it to me. You can't.

• 12:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Stop, stop yelling at me.

• 12:44Sean Fennessey?

  Did you know about the literary origins of the first film?

• 12:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, maybe I did in 2018 when the film came out and I saw it, but I haven't read it. I didn't, I haven't sought it out since then.

• 12:57Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 12:58Amanda Dobbins?

  And I.

• 13:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't go to the movie theater then. I think I probably saw it at home, too. I didn't seek it out because of, this wasn't like a Colleen Hoover thing.

• 13:08Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. What did you think of the original movie?

• 13:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I was amused by it.

• 13:11Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I think I was pleasantly surprised. I have, Anna Kendrick has always been a little black licorice to me. Even though she's very talented, sometimes the frequency works and sometimes I'm like, why are you in the accountant right now?

• 13:25Sean Fennessey?

  You don't like a tiny little girl. What's that about?

• 13:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Polly Pocket syndrome?

• 13:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 13:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you're just trying to get me to do Polly Pocket on because, no. Uh, I'm taller, so I'm taller, you know?

• 13:38Sean Fennessey?

  So anyone who's smaller and using that smallness as a charm?

• 13:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Sean Fennessey?

  Is an issue for you?

• 13:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it's just not an energy that I respond to, which is my right, you know?

• 13:47Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely.

• 13:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and that's okay. That's, everyone has, has their body in the world and they gotta navigate it as best they can.

• 13:55Sean Fennessey?

  Everyone has their body in the world.

• 13:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, they do.

• 13:57Sean Fennessey?

  Anna Kendrick is just one half of the, of this movie.

• 14:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 14:00Sean Fennessey?

  The other half is who?

• 14:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Blake Lively.

• 14:02Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 14:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:03Sean Fennessey?

  So she plays the, uh, I don't know, the, the X Factor in this movie, the con artist, the woman who sweeps into Anna Kendrick's character's life and kind of turns it upside down in the original.

• 14:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:14Sean Fennessey?

  She operates in the same fashion in this movie. The first film ended, I believe, with her going to prison for murder?

• 14:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I, I didn't totally remember the, the crimes ultimately. I just remembered that she got hit with a Prius by Andrew Reynolds' character.

• 14:32Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 14:33Amanda Dobbins?

  And it was like, so we didn't hear it coming because it was silent. And in 2018, that wasn't like a bad joke.

• 14:39Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 14:39Amanda Dobbins?

  You kind of chuckled.

• 14:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I mean, in 2025, it would be a Tesla, obviously, but, um...

• 14:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, in 2025, it's another, uh, type of moving vehicle, sort of.

• 14:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Uh, the new film finds the story moving to Italy, where Stephanie, Anna Kendrick's character, is drawn for the wedding of Blake Lively's character

• 15:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:01Sean Fennessey?

  to a Italian gangster.

• 15:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:04Sean Fennessey?

  And then someone dies, and then we're, we're back in some hijinks again. Uh, I don't mind saying I thought this movie was bad.

• 15:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think it was good either. I would say that for the first 20 minutes,

• 15:19Amanda Dobbins?

  when it was just Blake Lively and Anna Kendrick, anytime that they were on screen, they do have chemistry.

• 15:24Sean Fennessey?

  They do.

• 15:24Amanda Dobbins?

  And they're, and they are funny. And they're like, you know, some not that funny mom blog jokes and all that sort of stuff. But together, they have a rapport. And so I watched it on a Saturday night while painting my nails and I was like, I'm happy. And then it went on and other people were introduced into the film and I was less happy.

• 15:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's like, it's a con artist farce that maybe has more in common with Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.

• 15:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 15:54Sean Fennessey?

  Than with the original film, which had this kind of like toxic curiosity to it. Where sort of like, what's really happening here? You couldn't really figure out.

• 16:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 16:02Sean Fennessey?

  Whether or not Lively's character was evil or whether or not she was really her friend. This movie, like, everything is kind of laid bare. There are so new characters have to come in. I, I found it to be like a lot zanier and more broad than the first movie.

• 16:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 16:14Sean Fennessey?

  Um, not in a good way.

• 16:16Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and playing for laughs.

• 16:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:19Amanda Dobbins?

  And which some of them, you know, there's one Anna Kendrick hostage scene that's kind of funny.

• 16:24Sean Fennessey?

  The truth serum.

• 16:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:25Sean Fennessey?

  I enjoyed that as well.

• 16:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so you know, the comedy is actually what's working in this movie, so.

• 16:31Sean Fennessey?

  Sometimes, some of it, yeah.

• 16:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Some of it, just theirs.

• 16:33Sean Fennessey?

  I think Anna Kendrick is really, you know, Polly Pocket or not, I'm, I've always been a fan.

• 16:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I said, I thought she was very good in this movie.

• 16:40Sean Fennessey?

  I'm sorry, I got you off on the wrong foot, you know? I was very angry with the world.

• 16:44Amanda Dobbins?

  But she is, yeah, I know. I mean, I was too, I was in such, not what you want to talk about on a Monday morning. Blake Lively is much taller than Anna Kendrick in this movie. And they really.

• 16:54Sean Fennessey?

  Probably in real life as well.

• 16:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Use this for comedic effect. We really, really got to work on our makeup to lighting ratio for exterior shots. That was one thing that I spent a lot of time thinking about. I was just like, what is going on? Why?

• 17:10Sean Fennessey?

  Your mind.

• 17:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I, but it's like, these are very beautiful people. And I was just kind of like, I don't know what happened here. This got away from all of you. And it's, we're just wearing too much, you know?

• 17:21Sean Fennessey?

  Let's talk about Blake Lively for a second.

• 17:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 17:24Sean Fennessey?

  Obviously, I don't really want to get into the details of the, you know,

• 17:29Amanda Dobbins?

  The suit and the-

• 17:30Sean Fennessey?

  Justin Baldoni, all that. I'm not really interested in that specifically, but I am interested in kind of like what it does to a person's-

• 17:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 17:36Sean Fennessey?

  celebrity and persona and how they're perceived. This movie and the original film and It Ends With Us all kind of like emphasized this outlandish style that Blake Lively obviously, clearly, personally is interested in and it kind of brings to these characters.

• 17:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 17:51Sean Fennessey?

  You know, that she is like a daring fashionista.

• 17:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, and she styles herself.

• 17:56Sean Fennessey?

  Right. And so that makes her character seem very outsized and in a way, I think, actually makes her kind of a good star. I've never really thought she was much of an actress, although she's much better suited, I have found, to this kind of like dyspeptic meanness. You know, like her best performances are like in The Town,

• 18:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:16Sean Fennessey?

  where she's like a real asshole. In the original of this film, in It Ends With Us, one of the reasons why that movie doesn't work for me is just like, this is not a sympathetic person on her surface. She doesn't really convey that as an actor. She plays this part pretty well, but that star persona-

• 18:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:35Sean Fennessey?

  which I guess has some roots in like Betty Davis, Joan Crawford, Elizabeth Taylor, the sort of like not-to-be-fucked-with-

• 18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 18:43Sean Fennessey?

  -female movie star, is a little outmoded in 2025. It's not something you see very often.

• 18:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 18:50Sean Fennessey?

  So there's like-

• 18:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Also, Lively is not comfortable with it and is like, I mean, clearly takes on every type of role but that whenever possible.

• 19:00Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:02Amanda Dobbins?

  And then all the accoutrements of her life from like the, you know, the mom blog persona, for lack of a better word, and her weird, ah, preserve, was that what it was called? She had a goop-style company, all these sorts of things that she is, she doesn't want to be like the vamp. She doesn't want to be the mean person. She wants to be likeable and friendly and that does not work for her in her acting and it has not worked out for her in her publicity campaign, which I have been taken aback by the extent to which that lawsuit seems to have-

• 19:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Brought out all of the hate towards her online in a pretty remarkable way. But it's like, people agree with you that she's not a very relatable individual on the, on the surface.

• 20:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, I think that's kind of a, kind of a mistake of our society is the desire for glamorous, successful, wealthy people to try to seem relatable. And you can say, like, I actually, there's not a lot I admire about Gwyneth Paltrow, but one of the things that I do admire is that she never actually was like, you're just like me. She would say like, come join me in this movement.

• 20:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 20:20Sean Fennessey?

  But she would never try to say, we are the same. There was always like an elevation and, you know, Lively is like a statuesque blonde. And that's not, there's nothing related. She's married to Ryan Reynolds. So I, making people think like, trying to make people think that she is somehow, I don't know. Regular is, is obviously not feasible, but a part like this, obviously she doesn't need that. She doesn't, I guess she needs that to kind of combat some of the public narrative that she's faced, but.

• 20:47Amanda Dobbins?

  There is a line in this about, look for my subpoena coming soon, which I assume was filmed before, but I was amused by.

• 20:54Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe, maybe not.

• 20:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe.

• 20:56Sean Fennessey?

  Could have been a reshoot.

• 20:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:57Sean Fennessey?

  Just to get one last dig in there.

• 21:00Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't really think this was super successful, though it does seem like a lot of people are watching it. Maybe it, maybe this is better as a, as a streaming movie, you know?

• 21:07Amanda Dobbins?

  This is, this is classic garbage women, you know? And I guess I recognized that immediately. And it's not well done garbage women. It's on like the landfill scale. But it's, I've heard from friends, you know, who like watched it and were like, what the hell is going on? Nobody thinks it's good, but it can be sort of enjoyable in this little streaming box.

• 21:32Sean Fennessey?

  It does have shades of the second screen design that you find, like Eileen was watching The Four Seasons last night.

• 21:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 21:40Sean Fennessey?

  And she was like. This is okay, but it's kind of perfect to be looking at my phone while watching. And this movie too, sort of has people like explicating a lot of plot out loud quite often.

• 21:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:51Sean Fennessey?

  Anyway.

• 21:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Like I said, Pedicure, The Real Real, you know, it was, and I appreciate the movie making time for all of those pursuits, you know? I'm a working mom. I gotta, I gotta multitask.

• 22:03Sean Fennessey?

  I'd like Paul Feig to get back to making real big movies, you know, like real comedies for movie theaters.

• 22:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure. We'd like everyone to like, just like make good movies.

• 22:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 22:11Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 22:11Sean Fennessey?

  We would. We would, goddammit.

• 22:14Amanda Dobbins?

  We live in the real world, so.

• 22:16Sean Fennessey?

  We do. We do.

• 22:17Amanda Dobbins?

  If this is the garbage that you're gonna make, it's like I, you know, I watched it.

• 22:21Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 22:22Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 22:22Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you for your service. Uh, did Anna Kendrick make our list?

• 22:25Amanda Dobbins?

  She didn't.

• 22:26Sean Fennessey?

  Did Blake Lively make our list?

• 22:27Amanda Dobbins?

  She did not.

• 22:28Sean Fennessey?

  Are we 100% sure that Blake Lively should not have made the list?

• 22:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so.

• 22:33Sean Fennessey?

  I want to show you something.

• 22:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 22:35Sean Fennessey?

  I knew this was gonna be a long and difficult episode, so I actually bought a venti Starbucks, which is what I used to do when I was a psychopath in my 30s.

• 22:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I remember.

• 22:42Sean Fennessey?

  And.

• 22:43Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what you used to have instead of lunch at Sunset Gower. You would just go over.

• 22:47Sean Fennessey?

  That's exactly right.

• 22:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 22:48Sean Fennessey?

  This is nuclear fuel for me. So I'm, I'm gonna pod my heart out for the next three hours with you.

• 22:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I should have gotten a string cheese from the fridge.

• 23:01Sean Fennessey?

  We can stop down if necessary. Uh, we're about to start our, our discussion of movie stars. So Blake Lively didn't make it.

• 23:07Amanda Dobbins?

  No. Someone she's related to might have. And I, and that'll be an interesting conversation to have.

• 23:14Sean Fennessey?

  Whether or, well, yes.

• 23:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, because I, I think that recent events in the legal space have also affected Brian Reynolds's public perception, not to the extent that it has affected Blake Lively.

• 23:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I don't think the dude bros who love Deadpool are gonna care about that specifically, but she does not have, as far as I know, another film planned. Even though she's coming off of this stretch where after a lot of inactivity, she's now been in two consecutive big movies, technically three if you include her silly Deadpool and Wolverine cameo, as well as her voice work in If. But Blake Lively is actually not eligible based on the rules that we have devised, because she has not had a starring role in three films in the last five years. That's one of the key rules that we created when we started doing this.

• 23:58Amanda Dobbins?

  We're punishing working mothers.

• 24:01Sean Fennessey?

  And working fathers, you know? If a man has not made three lead roles in five years, then he also gets punished. One of the reasons why we do this is not just that it ends with us because the National Research Group puts out a poll every year of the most powerful movie stars. This is something Matt Bellany wrote about in his newsletter a few weeks back. It's a data point, basically, to springboard the discussion. I think we started doing this before that poll started. I think we, because we did it in 2020 during COVID when we were really down bad with topics. I think we might have done 35 under 35 and 35 over 35 in 2020. We've now moved to.

• 24:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Only you are the keeper of the.

• 24:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I have now moved to doing one per year. So last year we did under 35.

• 24:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that this technically might have been, 35 might have been 21.

• 24:48Sean Fennessey?

  You're right. It is 21.

• 24:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Early, early 21, because I remember where I was. I tried to take a Palm Springs vacation and then I was just like at the table doing the, what's Anne Hathaway been in?

• 24:59Sean Fennessey?

  The, the, this, this episode requires a lot of research and we do not have a research assistant. And so there's just a lot of time just working parents spend banging info into Google documents that people will never see. You're right, we did start doing it in 2021. We did it again in 2023. The contention then was sort of like, we think movie stars are back and they had been gone in this IP franchise era. A couple of things have happened this year at the movies that have indicated that in fact, I think that there's some truth to that supposition. A couple of movies that have really strong leads that may not have had the same level of success without those leads indicates that. Whether or not they're as back as the mythology of this show would have you believe, you could disagree. That's okay. It's just a fun exercise for us.

• 25:41Sean Fennessey?

  So what did the 2025 research group tell us based on their findings?

• 25:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Old people still rule.

• 25:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. That movie stars is synonymous with a 90s movie star.

• 25:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Which

• 25:57Sean Fennessey?

  benefits this show.

• 25:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Benefits this show. Also, when we did the Gen Z focus group while you were gone, everyone there named someone, I think, over 50, at least.

• 26:06Sean Fennessey?

  That's interesting, because I would argue that things haven't been this good for under 35 stars in at least a decade and maybe more. We've had a real bubbling up where, like, another Chalamet Oscar nomination, Florence Pugh leading Thunderbolts, you know, there's a whole, there's a wave. But the other thing that has happened is we've had a bunch of people who we started with in 2021 graduate to over 35. It's been four-plus years since we last did that. 3,000 people are polled, I believe, which is not a huge sample size. It's certainly enough to qualify as a proper poll, but how old were these people? What were their entertainment consumption diets?

• 26:43Amanda Dobbins?

  They had a Gen Z subset study as well.

• 26:46Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 26:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But and that's still found. I think it changed the order of the top dens slightly. And maybe Scarlett Johansson was a little higher and maybe The Rock was number one.

• 26:56Sean Fennessey?

  In the Gen Z list.

• 26:57Amanda Dobbins?

  In the Gen Z list.

• 26:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I think that's relevant to this discussion.

• 27:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, but I, but the general composition of older movie stars, people you associate with a type of art that is for your grandparents, starring your grandparents, seems to be their vibe. I think it's rude. I think they're missing out.

• 27:17Sean Fennessey?

  Uncles and aunts, you know, that's what we are.

• 27:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:20Sean Fennessey?

  We're your extremely cool uncles and aunts, right? Don't, you don't think so?

• 27:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:23Sean Fennessey?

  Moderately cool?

• 27:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I, sure.

• 27:27Sean Fennessey?

  Emotionally distraught, physically laboring?

• 27:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Trying our best.

• 27:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 27:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:31Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, as I mentioned, three lead roles in at least five years is a key. No voice work. Voice work does not count in that rule. You, we, now, we, there, we have made two exceptions to this rule. Because I think there, that there, these are two important entrants, but you must be born before May 5th, 1990. We are making two exceptions for that, and we'll explain why.

• 27:54Amanda Dobbins?

  So it turns out you must be born before, I think,

• 27:57Sean Fennessey?

  August 2nd.

• 27:58Amanda Dobbins?

  1990?

• 27:59Sean Fennessey?

  More or less, yes.

• 28:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Um. Lot of Leos on this list, by the way, which is not surprising. Yeah, but I just, as I was Googling, I just clocked another, like, I, we see you.

• 28:09Sean Fennessey?

  This, of course, is a Leo podcast.

• 28:11Amanda Dobbins?

  See it, see another.

• 28:12Sean Fennessey?

  Jack, what are you, are you a Leo, Jack? Sure.

• 28:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 28:16Sean Fennessey?

  What's your sign?

• 28:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you know what your sign is?

• 28:18Speaker 03

  Oh, I completely misunderstood the question. I'm a Scorpio.

• 28:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 28:22Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 28:23Speaker 03

  I thought you were asking general thoughts on Leos, to which I say, sure.

• 28:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, oh, thanks, okay.

• 28:26Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 28:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I think Chris is also-

• 28:27Sean Fennessey?

  What's wrong with Leos?

• 28:29Speaker 03

  No, there is nothing wrong. That's what I'm saying. I'm indifferent. Not on the matter.

• 28:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I think Chris is also a Scorpio. Yes, he is, so.

• 28:36Sean Fennessey?

  Intriguing.

• 28:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 28:36Sean Fennessey?

  They have the stinger.

• 28:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yes. Wait, okay, for a second I thought Si was a Scorpio and I was really confused, but-

• 28:43Sean Fennessey?

  Because you know, it's so rare that Chris will like, kind of buck back.

• 28:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 28:48Sean Fennessey?

  But he will. He will.

• 28:50Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 28:50Sean Fennessey?

  Every once in a while. Never in your life.

• 28:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe, maybe it's, I'm sure it's coming for me, you know, but no.

• 28:55Sean Fennessey?

  Be safe.

• 28:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, I'm, I'm trying to think. No, even when Zach got us in that fight in the, outside of... What's that cancelled restaurant called?

• 29:08Sean Fennessey?

  Horses?

• 29:10Amanda Dobbins?

  That one? But no, the other one, uh, in Silver Lake. You don't remember this? When you were in the bathroom the whole time? And then-

• 29:18Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that was, that was, that was almost a real fight.

• 29:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know, but then I was like, sorry, Chris, I got too hot under the collar. And I think he would have been, uh, like, it would have been legit for him to be like, you need to fucking chill out. And he didn't. He was just supportive.

• 29:31Sean Fennessey?

  What, what, what restaurant was that? I forget.

• 29:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I can't remember. It's probably-

• 29:34Sean Fennessey?

  It was right in Silver Lake Junction. What's the name of it?

• 29:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Since there's some legal issues at play, you know, maybe-

• 29:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I see. Oh, because your husband almost had a violent encounter with a strange man.

• 29:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, but it wasn't, it was the strange man's fault. And then a little bit my fault, but, um-

• 29:49Sean Fennessey?

  It was my fault for taking a pee break, I guess. Um-

• 29:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, even then, Chris had my back. So there.

• 29:55Sean Fennessey?

  That's beautiful. Uh, can you tell us how we devise our list? What are, what are the mathematical specifications we apply?

• 30:02Amanda Dobbins?

  So it's 50% what you've done, 25% what is to come, and 25% razzmatazz.

• 30:10Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's like, it's like what could be. That's how I like to think about it, you know?

• 30:14Amanda Dobbins?

  You got it? Do you not got it?

• 30:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's the squishy 25% is how we get away with doing whatever we want on this list ultimately. Just a reminder to anyone listening at home, because the first time we did this, bless their heart, whoever it was on social media identified this as our 35 over 35 actors list. That's not what this is. This is not the best actors. In fact, that might be fun to do one day to say like, here's the people who we think are the absolute best actors, even though we are not learned in the ways of acting, really, from a technical perspective. This is movie stars. This is about stardom.

• 30:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 30:48Sean Fennessey?

  Acting is a part of stardom. It's a critical part of stardom in some ways, but not for everyone. So.

• 30:53Amanda Dobbins?

  That's why the last 25% is razzmatazz.

• 30:56Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 30:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Also, we will read a list of toughest cuts, which is like 40 names.

• 31:02Sean Fennessey?

  Quite long.

• 31:03Amanda Dobbins?

  And most of them, the category would be like incredible actor, not quite movie star, like maybe too good of an actor to be on this list.

• 31:12Sean Fennessey?

  I know what you mean by that.

• 31:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:14Sean Fennessey?

  There is an icon list that we made some years ago in that icon list.

• 31:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, emeritus.

• 31:19Sean Fennessey?

  We've actually lost some members that were on this list, like Donald Sutherland, for example, was on this list.

• 31:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:24Sean Fennessey?

  He passed away. James Caan was on the list. He passed away. You know, all the mega icons are still here. De Niro and Pacino, Clint Eastwood, Jane Fonda, Diane Keaton, Harrison Ford, Judi Dench, you know, he'd go on and on, like, we recognize their great works.

• 31:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Meryl Streep?

• 31:42Sean Fennessey?

  Is Meryl Streep on this list?

• 31:44Amanda Dobbins?

  She is on that. She's emeritus. Yeah.

• 31:46Sean Fennessey?

  She's emeritus. Okay. You know, there are maybe one or two people who are 70 plus on our list total. Maybe one. There may be one person who's 70 years old on our final 35 over 35. But for the most part, this is sort of the Hall of Fame that is concretized. These people are not leaving that space. So if you, you know, text Amanda and say, where the fuck is Martin Sheen? He's in the Hall of Fame. Everybody just settle down. We know. Ineligible. Couple of names to cite so that people don't say, why the hell is this person not discussed? I don't know if this guy would have made it, but he is definitely in that, is he too good of an actor to be on the list? But Daniel Kaluuya has not had a leading role since Nope.

• 32:27Sean Fennessey?

  And before that, I think it's been a long time. So I don't know what's up with him. I hope he's in the next Jordan Peele movie. I'm not sure.

• 32:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I hope so, too.

• 32:36Sean Fennessey?

  Obviously, Night to Read Love.

• 32:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, do we count Judas and the Black Messiah as leading? Or?

• 32:41Sean Fennessey?

  That might have been the one before.

• 32:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 32:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 32:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 32:43Sean Fennessey?

  And I think that those are his last two. And before that, it's five years. Sandra Bullock hasn't made a movie since Bullet Train.

• 32:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, and that was a cameo, so really Lost City.

• 32:53Sean Fennessey?

  Lost City was her last leading role, which did like 200 million and proved her stardom. But she's just not taking parts. Will Ferrell? This is about to change, I think. I think as soon as like three months from now, he will officially gotten to the three and five. But he's not quite there based on a movie that I think he's about to start shooting. We mentioned Blake Lively. Seth Rogen is interesting to me because he's on the studio right now.

• 33:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 33:15Sean Fennessey?

  And when you look at his movie career, even the movies he's made in recent years, like The Fableman's, he's not the lead.

• 33:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 33:23Sean Fennessey?

  He's a critical character in that movie. But he, I think, I think in American Pickle is the last movie.

• 33:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I was about to say American Pickle.

• 33:29Sean Fennessey?

  That he made where he was the star. Michelle Williams, who has kind of moved to television. I haven't watched Dying for Sex. Have you watched that?

• 33:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I haven't.

• 33:37Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, will you watch it?

• 33:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I have a long list of TV, but I support her and she looks great in all the press.

• 33:42Sean Fennessey?

  I like her as well. Janelle Monae, after her Knives Out 2, I thought, well, here comes a movie star now and then she's done making movies.

• 33:48Amanda Dobbins?

  That's okay, she can do what she wants.

• 33:49Sean Fennessey?

  Jim Carrey?

• 33:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 33:52Sean Fennessey?

  He's technically made three consecutive Sonic the Hedgehog movies and that's it.

• 33:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, okay.

• 33:56Sean Fennessey?

  That's his 2020s.

• 33:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, his bank account's doing great.

• 33:59Sean Fennessey?

  John Krasinski.

• 34:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Because voice work doesn't count.

• 34:03Sean Fennessey?

  Correct. He obviously wrote and directed If and had a supporting part in that movie. He has a deeply creepy father, but he is not.

• 34:11Amanda Dobbins?

  So what is the friend is the dad in the end? Or the friend was the dad's friend?

• 34:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think that's it.

• 34:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:19Sean Fennessey?

  You spoiled If for the millions at home listening.

• 34:23Sean Fennessey?

  Ben Stiller.

• 34:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, yeah, he's making severance and going on Chicken Shop Date.

• 34:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, we're recording this on the eve of the Knicks Celtics playoff matchup.

• 34:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 34:33Sean Fennessey?

  In the second round of the NBA playoffs and Ben Stiller is one of the best we have out there supporting Knicks Nation.

• 34:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 34:39Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you to him. 22 members of our first ever list of 35 under 35 have moved to this tier, but only six of them made this list.

• 34:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, big fish, little pond, little fish, big pond, you know?

• 34:52Sean Fennessey?

  Agree. Well put.

• 34:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 34:55Sean Fennessey?

  Toughest cuts. How do we do this?

• 34:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Because it's sort of a spoiler?

• 34:59Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I don't mind spoiling.

• 35:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 35:02Sean Fennessey?

  Because it's part of it is just about the ranking. Also, people are, as soon as this is over, one guy is just gonna like bang out the list and then just tweet it and then we're fucked anyway. I know.

• 35:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Come on.

• 35:09Sean Fennessey?

  I know. Guys have spent fucking 12 hours working on this for no good reason.

• 35:14Amanda Dobbins?

  The podcast is how we feed our children.

• 35:18Sean Fennessey?

  It's okay. It's okay. This is, it's all content. All content is good.

• 35:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:22Sean Fennessey?

  Right?

• 35:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, sure. I'm sure there are a lot of contradictions to that, but okay.

• 35:28Sean Fennessey?

  There's, okay, so let's just set aside two, let's just talk about the two names that we have issue with. For me, we cut Christian Bale. I don't feel great about that. And for you, we cut Chris Hemsworth and you don't feel great about that.

• 35:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:41Sean Fennessey?

  To me, those are both big time movie stars. You could certainly argue that they're quote unquote more famous than other people who will appear on our list. Bale is in kind of a downswing. He was in, I thought he was really good in the third Thor movie, but that movie was not very good. He was in the Edgar Allan Poe movie on Netflix, The Pale Blue Eye.

• 36:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 36:01Sean Fennessey?

  And he was in Amsterdam.

• 36:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Which was a disaster.

• 36:03Sean Fennessey?

  Which is tough. So.

• 36:05Amanda Dobbins?

  And those were all 2022.

• 36:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, he is gonna be Al Davis in the John Madden movie that is coming out with Nicolas Cage directed by David O. Russell.

• 36:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, that could go really well or that could be Amsterdam.

• 36:18Sean Fennessey?

  I fully agree with you. Christian Bale and Chris Hemsworth are interesting as comparison points because they both vaulted to mega fame on the backs of comic book characters and have since been putting some distance between their comic book work, but Hemsworth.

• 36:35Sean Fennessey?

  Make your case.

• 36:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, Extraction and Extraction 2 are like decent movies that-

• 36:42Sean Fennessey?

  And they're huge.

• 36:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Half the world has seen.

• 36:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 36:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Almost. And I, we are light on Netflix's representation, which I feel fine with.

• 36:51Sean Fennessey?

  I do too.

• 36:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Because for the most part, we prefer movies made for theaters. Uh, but those are a huge deal. And the rest of his career, I mean, I, he just, he is really, really famous and he is in movies that a lot of people see. And that has been the case for like, almost 20 years now.

• 37:13Sean Fennessey?

  He has just never proven, I don't think, one single time, the ability to draw audience outside of a franchise.

• 37:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I see it.

• 37:21Sean Fennessey?

  You know?

• 37:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:22Sean Fennessey?

  Like, at least at the movie theater.

• 37:24Amanda Dobbins?

  And he is part-

• 37:26Sean Fennessey?

  Like Furiosa being a recent example.

• 37:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:29Sean Fennessey?

  Which is a movie that didn't perform well. He's great in that movie. But that movie didn't perform.

• 37:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 37:34Sean Fennessey?

  And that is, that was IP.

• 37:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Furiosa not performing and Christian Bale in Amsterdam are like, orders of different magnitude. You know, I, I really-

• 37:46Sean Fennessey?

  I know, but, yeah. No, I, to me, they're both, they both give good performances, though. I don't think that's really the issue.

• 37:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but like Amsterdam was a disaster.

• 37:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 37:53Amanda Dobbins?

  And didn't make any money.

• 37:55Sean Fennessey?

  I agree. So, this is, an interesting test is coming for Hemsworth. And maybe we can reset when we do it next time. Because we saw a preview for Crime 101, which is a movie that looks like it was made in 1998. Um, it's just like a pure crime movie that I think is, is it Amazon MGM that is making it?

• 38:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so.

• 38:11Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and it's Halle Berry, Chris Hemsworth, Barry Keoghan, and Mark Ruffalo. And it just like, looks like a Michael Mann knockoff, um, about a thief. It looked pretty good. Like, like-

• 38:22Amanda Dobbins?

  It looked okay.

• 38:22Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of garbagey Michael Mann.

• 38:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Remaking Crash, Bad Crash.

• 38:26Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, god, I hope that's the vibe of that movie. Um, but you have to go all the way back to Bad Times at the El Royale in 2018 to find a movie that he made that's an original movie in movie theaters. And that's a long time ago. Like, he did make Spiderhead and he did make two Extraction movies, but they were straight for, straight to Netflix. So, now, my case against him is like, he made Ghostbusters, he made a bunch of Thor movies, The Avengers, Men in Black 4, which people didn't like. It's kind of, I like him as a dude.

• 38:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I hear you. And I guess he is the number one, like, figurehead for major Marvel star that can't translate outside of Marvel, except we have another Marvel star who can't translate outside of Marvel, who is not on this list. So.

• 39:12Sean Fennessey?

  We'll get to them in a second.

• 39:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 39:14Sean Fennessey?

  Should we just run through some of the names?

• 39:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:16Sean Fennessey?

  You want to bounce back and forth?

• 39:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 39:18Sean Fennessey?

  I'll read one, you read one.

• 39:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:19Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, Cynthia Revo, not on the list.

• 39:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Michael Fassbender.

• 39:21Sean Fennessey?

  Anadarmus, tough one.

• 39:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but Ballerina's not out yet, and she was only in one scene of No Time To Die.

• 39:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 39:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, Jesse Plemons, two and an actor.

• 39:31Sean Fennessey?

  Jessie Buckley, We'll See After The Bride, now eligible.

• 39:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Vanessa Kirby.

• 39:37Sean Fennessey?

  Hasn't been the primary yet.

• 39:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 39:40Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see if she ever does get there. Daniel Craig.

• 39:43Amanda Dobbins?

  This is the other one where Knives Out still exists. They're still making them.

• 39:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, for Netflix.

• 39:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, like I said, you, that's, that's where your bias is.

• 39:51Sean Fennessey?

  My demerit on Craig, who was on the list last time around, is that he didn't get nominated for Queer.

• 39:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree.

• 39:57Sean Fennessey?

  Which, we've set aside how you feel about his performance, that almost like indicated something about his stature. Um, okay, who's next?

• 40:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Kristen Stewart.

• 40:05Sean Fennessey?

  Natalie Portman.

• 40:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Paul Rudd.

• 40:07Sean Fennessey?

  Jessica Chastain.

• 40:08Amanda Dobbins?

  This, this one hurts. I thought about it. Ben Affleck.

• 40:11Sean Fennessey?

  There's a case for him.

• 40:12Amanda Dobbins?

  There's a case, but it's like, it's, he's doing his own thing.

• 40:17Sean Fennessey?

  When is Ben gonna come on the show?

• 40:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I do.

• 40:19Sean Fennessey?

  Just, just you and Ben. One hour.

• 40:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I just wouldn't get a word in, you know? So, and that's, I would be okay with that. That's the only time.

• 40:27Sean Fennessey?

  What would be your first question?

• 40:30Sean Fennessey?

  Why are you the way that you are? Uh, Jennifer Lopez.

• 40:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Jason Statham, which is another tricky one.

• 40:37Sean Fennessey?

  Tough one.

• 40:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 40:38Sean Fennessey?

  He's very reliable and he only makes movies for theaters.

• 40:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And, and they're successful, like, within the, you know, budget range that they need to be, I guess.

• 40:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 40:48Amanda Dobbins?

  But, I don't, there wasn't room.

• 40:51Sean Fennessey?

  I liked The Swing of Monkey Man, but Dev Patel is not there yet.

• 40:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, this is another controversial one. Hugh Jackman.

• 40:57Sean Fennessey?

  I thought long and hard about it.

• 40:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I did as well.

• 40:59Sean Fennessey?

  He has two movies coming out in the next 12 months. One of which is Song Song Blue, which is a focus movie at the end of the year that could be a sneaky awards race contender. And then he's got the Three Bags Full.

• 41:11Amanda Dobbins?

  That was delayed. I don't know if you saw recently. It was delayed until the end of next year. Yeah.

• 41:16Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, well, you know, he's also been mired in a lot of IP.

• 41:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't mean to, I guess, fast forward if you don't want Three Bags Full spoiled for you in some way.

• 41:27Sean Fennessey?

  How do you even know what it's about?

• 41:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I read a tweet that said

• 41:32Sean Fennessey?

  What are you doing? The movie's not coming out for two years.

• 41:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I said fast forward. It's based on a book.

• 41:37Sean Fennessey?

  I don't want to know that.

• 41:38Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the premise of the movie.

• 41:39Sean Fennessey?

  Jack, you gotta cut that. We can't keep that in.

• 41:45Sean Fennessey?

  That's Amanda spoiler core.

• 41:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I said fast forward. That is the premise.

• 41:50Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 41:51Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not my fault.

• 41:51Sean Fennessey?

  We'll put that as a blooper at the end of the episode.

• 41:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Or just like bleep it out. Just bleep out what happened. But like, I don't know.

• 41:58Sean Fennessey?

  Let's keep going. We haven't even said a single name from the list yet. Keep going.

• 42:02Amanda Dobbins?

  It's very clear. You need to keep up.

• 42:04Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I'm keeping up.

• 42:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, it's your turn.

• 42:07Sean Fennessey?

  Steven Yeun.

• 42:08Amanda Dobbins?

  And we had to cut him, which is sad. Adam Driver.

• 42:11Sean Fennessey?

  Vin Diesel. Good. That's what I say to that. Good.

• 42:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Sebastian Stan. I'm sorry.

• 42:17Sean Fennessey?

  Close, close one. Has not proven to be a pure box office draw yet. Jake Gyllenhaal has kind of fallen back into television and Roadhouse streaming movies.

• 42:25Amanda Dobbins?

  And Othello on Broadway.

• 42:27Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. Shut out at the Tonys.

• 42:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Apparently. The reviews are not good.

• 42:31Sean Fennessey?

  I'm surprised to hear that.

• 42:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I spoke to people who did not think it was very good. I did not get to see it. Kirsten Dunst. This one hurts, but.

• 42:39Sean Fennessey?

  Do you agree with this?

• 42:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree. Yeah, I do.

• 42:41Sean Fennessey?

  Brie Larson?

• 42:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree with that also. Edward Norton.

• 42:45Sean Fennessey?

  Kate Winslet?

• 42:46Amanda Dobbins?

  TV. Ralph Fiennes.

• 42:48Sean Fennessey?

  Carey Mulligan?

• 42:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Miles Teller. Tough in my house.

• 42:52Sean Fennessey?

  Tom Hardy?

• 42:54Amanda Dobbins?

  We have

• 42:55Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Michelle Williams again for some reason.

• 42:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, we can take her out there.

• 42:57Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's not the other. It's, yeah, okay. Gal Gadot.

• 43:02Sean Fennessey?

  John David Washington.

• 43:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Danielle Dudweiler.

• 43:05Sean Fennessey?

  Elizabeth Olsen.

• 43:06Amanda Dobbins?

  And Zoe Kravitz, who's dating Noah Centineo. Did you know that?

• 43:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I just love to bring, yeah, I don't know. They're like holding hands.

• 43:15Sean Fennessey?

  Isn't he like 19?

• 43:16Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I think he's grown up a little bit.

• 43:18Sean Fennessey?

  I saw him in the film Warfare.

• 43:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 43:20Sean Fennessey?

  He's very big now.

• 43:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, and he is like in a park, holding hands with Zoe Kravitz.

• 43:25Sean Fennessey?

  Well, good for her.

• 43:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 43:28Sean Fennessey?

  Let's, the, the final trio that are missing from this list. We're calling the Materialist test.

• 43:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:36Sean Fennessey?

  So Dakota Johnson, Chris Evans, and Pedro Pascal are not on this list.

• 43:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:42Sean Fennessey?

  They're, they're the stars of Materialist, which is out in one month. I'm not saying that movie needs to be a hit to put them onto the list. Dakota Johnson is coming off a tough stretch here. You know, Madame Web.

• 43:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 43:54Sean Fennessey?

  We're, we're down bad.

• 43:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Queen of my heart forever.

• 43:57Sean Fennessey?

  I know you love her. She's fine. Can hardly act, but she's interesting on screen.

• 44:02Amanda Dobbins?

  She's, come on. This isn't about actors.

• 44:05Sean Fennessey?

  It is not about actors.

• 44:06Amanda Dobbins?

  She has razzmatazz all her own.

• 44:08Sean Fennessey?

  Chris Evans is gifted but lost.

• 44:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:12Sean Fennessey?

  Pedro Pascal. We had a little back and forth about this.

• 44:16Amanda Dobbins?

  We talked a lot about this.

• 44:17Sean Fennessey?

  So I think because of the 50% of what you've done.

• 44:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 44:23Sean Fennessey?

  That's ultimately your case for why he's not yet deserving.

• 44:27Amanda Dobbins?

  There is precedent here. When we make the list, we do it according to the date of recording. So there have been people who three weeks later had, you know, Dune 2 or whatever come out and it, there's a big change.

• 44:42Sean Fennessey?

  Now, when you look at his career, especially over the last 10 years, I first saw him as Oberyn Martell in Game of Thrones.

• 44:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 44:51Sean Fennessey?

  And then he's on Narcos for 30 episodes. And then he's The Mandalorian.

• 44:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Is he?

• 44:57Sean Fennessey?

  And then he's The Last of Us.

• 44:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 45:00Sean Fennessey?

  So those are huge television shows. And that's where he really got famous.

• 45:06Sean Fennessey?

  These are the movies that are coming up from him. This summer, Eddington, the new Ari Aster movie, which I've been hearing more and more about and very excited about. And I feel like it's gonna annoy everybody. Materialist, which I mentioned. And then he's in Fantastic Four, and then he's in Avengers Doomsday, and then he's in The Mandalorian and Grogu next summer. Those are three of the most anticipated, big-budget movies, plus two very intriguing A24 films from directors we really love.

• 45:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 45:36Sean Fennessey?

  As far as like, the playbook goes, that's the playbook. That's like the, I'm grabbing the mantle playbook.

• 45:43Amanda Dobbins?

  It is the playbook, but it's like, three playbooks at once. And so, my case for you, in addition to the, it's just at this moment in time, he was okay in Gladiator 2. He was in Wonder Woman 1984. That's a fact.

• 45:58Sean Fennessey?

  I actually enjoyed what he was doing.

• 46:00Amanda Dobbins?

  He was fine. And I'm learning now that he was also in 2011's The Adjustment Bureau. But, you know.

• 46:06Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. Was he one of the hat wearers?

• 46:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I hope so. That's what they do.

• 46:10Sean Fennessey?

  No, he was maître d' De Paul De Santo.

• 46:12Amanda Dobbins?

  No, he was a maître d'. De maître d' doesn't wear a hat. I don't know, actually. I don't know whether the maître d' is time traveling or whatever the hell happens.

• 46:18Sean Fennessey?

  He was also in The Great Wall, opposite Matt Damon.

• 46:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, great.

• 46:22Sean Fennessey?

  A Chinese production, where they learned all of our secrets about how to make a movie.

• 46:25Amanda Dobbins?

  So, it's not there yet. And then, Fantastic Four into Avengers, plus Mandalorian and Grogu, all in 18 months, plus the Apple commercial. You know, it's just like, it's a lot. We're risking overexposure.

• 46:43Sean Fennessey?

  Just so I'm clear, you hate his guts.

• 46:45Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I don't. He's very charming.

• 46:47Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. You're right, as soon as July 15th, we might be like, Pascal, he's on the list. Shall we do the list?

• 46:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I'd love to.

• 46:59Sean Fennessey?

  Now, should we bounce back and forth? You do one, I do one?

• 47:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 47:02Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think?

• 47:03Amanda Dobbins?

  That sounds wonderful.

• 47:04Sean Fennessey?

  Figure it out with me in real time.

• 47:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I said, okay, why does this happen? Okay, this is a similar thing. I'm sorry that we're just relitigating like, my domestic issues at work, but like, Zach does the same thing. He's like, should we do it this way? And I say, sure. And then, he's like, okay, but why don't you want to do it that way? And should we do it another way? You got the yes. I said, yes. Let's go alternately, you know? Just take it and run.

• 47:29Sean Fennessey?

  Tell you what, next time, send me an email, and then we'll hash it out that way.

• 47:35Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, what's number 35?

• 47:38Amanda Dobbins?

  My beloved Julia Roberts.

• 47:40Sean Fennessey?

  Quite humble.

• 47:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Is just clinging to 35 because she has the Luca Guadagnino movie coming out this fall. And also, obviously, she's one of the greatest movie stars of all time. But she hasn't been doing that much.

• 47:53Sean Fennessey?

  So she was in Sam Asmills Leave the World Behind, which is notable for a couple of reasons. But most specifically, it is one of the five most watched movies in the history of Netflix. And obviously, Julia Roberts is a big reason for that. So she still has clout.

• 48:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 48:08Sean Fennessey?

  After the Hunt, looks like a smaller drama. I thought it looked very good.

• 48:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm really excited. And even as we all noted, having seen the trailer, they, they still cut in like the classic Julia Robins, Robert's smile and laugh in what is like a campus, like, politics drama, I think.

• 48:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 48:26Amanda Dobbins?

  So they, they know what works and she is still being used to see smaller movies.

• 48:31Sean Fennessey?

  She's also apparently going to be in Sam's next movie, Panic Carefully.

• 48:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 48:35Sean Fennessey?

  Looking forward to that. But it's hard out here.

• 48:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 48:38Sean Fennessey?

  She's 57, you know, she's put in a lot of work. She's been a star since she was like 20 years old. And I don't know, I'm looking forward to it. Maybe, maybe After the Hunt is like an Oscar contender. Maybe she's in the Oscar conversation.

• 48:50Amanda Dobbins?

  That would be really fun.

• 48:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's in play.

• 48:51Amanda Dobbins?

  To have her around.

• 48:52Sean Fennessey?

  It's not, it's not ridiculous.

• 48:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm glad she's still on the list. 35 seems fine to me.

• 48:56Sean Fennessey?

  Number 34 is Mahershala Ali. Now, he was not on the list last time. I think he might've been ineligible because he had been kind of taking a backseat and had been prepping Blade.

• 49:08Sean Fennessey?

  And then Blade fell apart. And so he's not making Blade. And then Sinners came in and was just like, why do we, we don't need Blade. We have Sinners. He has two Academy Awards. And now he also has Jurassic World Rebirth coming. And then he's arguably the key voice in Spider-Man Beyond the Spider-Verse because he's the Prowler in this alternate universe. Do you remember this, where the last one ended?

• 49:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There were like 85 of them and yeah. And so he's the bad guy in the alternate universe?

• 49:34Sean Fennessey?

  Or the mentor to the other Miles. Anyway, we'll see what happens. And then he's in Your Mother, Your Mother, Your Mother, which is a Bassem Tarek movie. Who is the guy who was gonna direct Blade? So Jurassic World Rebirth, he has like the Han Solo part. You know, he's got the Harrison Ford, I'm the quippy, dashing hero guy. Now.

• 49:55Amanda Dobbins?

  You, you gotta just check your negativity.

• 49:58Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean?

• 49:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Dinosaurs are allowed to be in movies.

• 50:00Sean Fennessey?

  I never said they weren't.

• 50:01Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it's like we had thirty-six Marvel movies.

• 50:04Sean Fennessey?

  I watched Destroy All Monsters with my daughter yesterday.

• 50:07Amanda Dobbins?

  That is beautiful. I just.

• 50:08Sean Fennessey?

  Dinosaurs are great.

• 50:09Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it is gonna be fine.

• 50:11Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, you feel good. He's charming. Merzal is fifty-one.

• 50:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, good for him.

• 50:15Sean Fennessey?

  He looks like he's thirty-four.

• 50:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I saw him at eight AM in the lobby of the Caesar's Palace at CinemaCon. Looked, he looked great.

• 50:23Sean Fennessey?

  Nice. Any further thoughts?

• 50:25Amanda Dobbins?

  No, so, you know.

• 50:26Sean Fennessey?

  That was incredibly funny when he presented onstage.

• 50:29Amanda Dobbins?

  And then he left.

• 50:30Sean Fennessey?

  And then later in the days, zoomed in.

• 50:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 50:32Sean Fennessey?

  From wherever, from his house in Los Angeles, anyway.

• 50:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so.

• 50:34Sean Fennessey?

  Number thirty-three.

• 50:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Your girl, Anne Hathaway.

• 50:38Sean Fennessey?

  So you added her to your, to this list, which I thought was fascinating. Now, of course, I support this.

• 50:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Can I honestly tell you what my methodology was?

• 50:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 50:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, the, the, the way I put together this first list was I just Googled the cast of The Odyssey. And then whoever we didn't have on the list, I put on the list.

• 50:55Sean Fennessey?

  I'm happy to hear you say that, because I could tell.

• 50:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, of course.

• 50:57Sean Fennessey?

  But you're right, there is something to that, because this is the most anticipated movie in the world for the next, you know, roughly fourteen months. Anne Hathaway, she's forty-two years old. She's been in all, all kinds of movies. It's an interesting next little stretch here for her, because she has Mother Mary, the new David Lowery movie, which is coming out, I assume, at the end of this year, from May twenty-four, where she plays a pop star. And then Verdi.

• 51:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 51:19Sean Fennessey?

  Which is the next Colleen Hoover adaptation, which is directed by Michael Showalter.

• 51:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 51:23Sean Fennessey?

  Who directed her last movie, which was called.

• 51:27Amanda Dobbins?

  The Idea of You.

• 51:28Sean Fennessey?

  The Idea of You, where she banged a twenty-eight-year-old.

• 51:31Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't have to say it like that. She found a new chapter of her life.

• 51:35Sean Fennessey?

  She let that guy hit it raw, and they fell in love, and it was beautiful. I love that movie. And then she's in The Odyssey. And then she's in a movie I can't wait for, but it just got pushed by sixteen months, which is never a good sign.

• 51:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:47Sean Fennessey?

  It's called Flowerville Street, directed by David Robert Mitchell, who made It Follows. And speaking of dinosaurs, apparently dinosaurs figure prominently into this movie.

• 51:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Ooh.

• 51:56Sean Fennessey?

  So, don't tell me that I don't care about dinosaurs, because I do.

• 51:59Amanda Dobbins?

  You need to tell yourself that, you know?

• 52:02Sean Fennessey?

  I love Anne Hathaway. I'm proud of her and I'm happy for her, Academy Award winner.

• 52:05Amanda Dobbins?

  She's also out and about, like, a lot, right now.

• 52:08Sean Fennessey?

  There's an incredible thing happening on TheRinger.com right now.

• 52:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:12Sean Fennessey?

  Which is called the Millennial Canon Bracket. Which I love, and is very funny. And one of the seeds in that bracket is going back and forth between loving and hating Anne Hathaway.

• 52:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 52:23Sean Fennessey?

  Which is just. Chef's kiss. I of course love her. Uh, okay. Number 32 is Bradley Cooper.

• 52:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:30Sean Fennessey?

  Some debate about this.

• 52:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, the question of, is he eligible? Because we don't actually know and we are assuming that he's eligible because he's Bradley Cooper.

• 52:39Sean Fennessey?

  Let's just say cosmically.

• 52:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 52:41Sean Fennessey?

  That this is the Chris Hemsworth, Christian Bale, Bradley Cooper memorial 32nd position.

• 52:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 52:48Sean Fennessey?

  Because these 50 something guys. May or may not.

• 52:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Chris Hemsworth 50?

• 52:53Sean Fennessey?

  He's gotta be getting up there, right? 46, maybe?

• 52:57Amanda Dobbins?

  41.

• 52:58Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 52:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I was gonna say. That was, yeah.

• 53:00Sean Fennessey?

  Sorry to him. Um.

• 53:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Also Leo.

• 53:03Sean Fennessey?

  Is he?

• 53:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 53:04Sean Fennessey?

  Wouldn't say he has that energy. A little bit like too chipper and kind.

• 53:08Amanda Dobbins?

  He's Australian, Leo, you know? Once they don't have to wear shoes.

• 53:13Sean Fennessey?

  Never stopped being you. Um, Cooper.

• 53:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm about to go.

• 53:18Sean Fennessey?

  I would as well. I'll see you in roughly 20 years since I send my child to college. Uh, so he was in My Stro. And he was in Nightmare Alley. So those are two leading roles. Is this thing on? Is his next directorial effort? Will Arnett, who apparently is his best friend? Is, is the, is the star of that movie.

• 53:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Everyone is Bradley Cooper's best friend when he's working.

• 53:41Sean Fennessey?

  Did you see the video with Timothy Chalamet and Saquon Barkley?

• 53:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I did. And I, I was.

• 53:45Sean Fennessey?

  I was like, are they best friends? What's happening here?

• 53:47Amanda Dobbins?

  We're going through a lot with Saquon Barkley in my house right now, you know, and whether to.

• 53:52Sean Fennessey?

  You think he approves of that movie tariff?

• 53:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that I am just getting rid of the shirt and getting a tiny Jalen Hurts t-shirt instead. Um, that's my plan. But yeah, Bradley Cooper is everyone's best friend. Like, they all show up and they're like Bradley, you know, and everyone has nice things to say about him. Did you also see that he and Gigi Hadid are Instagram official now? She posted a photo of them kissing. So that's what's up with Bradley Cooper.

• 54:17Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna do that with my wife tonight. Guys were official. Eileen and I are for real. After 26 years. Uh. Cooper. I feel like has been doing some weird self sabotage. Maestro, that's a crazy movie that I love, just from the mind of a maniac. Still don't understand what was going on there. I loved it. Um, is this thing on? I guess it's about a talk show host, radio host, who has like a crisis of faith of some kind. Bradley Cooper literally plays Will Arnett's best friend in the movie. We just don't know how big his part is. If it's a big part and he's a lead and he qualifies, if he doesn't, then you can say, just kidding, it's Christian Bale or Chris Hemsworth. Number 31.

• 54:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Lupita Nyong'o.

• 55:00Sean Fennessey?

  Quiet Place Day One doing a lot of work here. Now.

• 55:03Amanda Dobbins?

  You have, I understand that The Wild Robot does not count, but you tried to bring it up against me with Pedro Pascal. I mean, 12 Years a Slave, Black Panther, Us, Star Wars, The Wakanda Forever, A Quiet Place Day One, and then just to me The Odyssey. You know?

• 55:21Sean Fennessey?

  She's got a big part in The Odyssey. She's Cleitamnestra. So I like it. I like her.

• 55:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm open to it.

• 55:26Sean Fennessey?

  Speaking of people I saw at CinemaCon, two years ago, I saw her walking the floor of Caesar's Palace at CinemaCon. Stunning. I almost fell over. Uh, okay. Number 30 is Glenn Powell. Glenn Powell was not originally on the list. What was going on there with you?

• 55:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I put, I made a category for, I think Glenn, Sebastian Stan, Chris Hemsworth, like, because I'm not thinking of Chris Hemsworth as a 50 year old. I was like, you know, late 30s, early 40s.

• 55:56Sean Fennessey?

  I was thinking 66.

• 55:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. So I was just, I was grouping all of these, uh, super charismatic, like blockbuster stars of that generation together. And I was like, okay, who gets the spot? Um, and I think you corrected me and I'm glad. I'm thrilled that it's gonna be Glenn.

• 56:14Sean Fennessey?

  Glenn's 36. He finally qualified for the big boy list.

• 56:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 56:20Sean Fennessey?

  He's got, he's, his last two years are pretty crazy. Obviously, coming off of the success of Maverick in 22. Hitman, Anyone But You, Twisters is legitimate fame. And then now we know in the fall, The Running Man, at some point Huntington, the new, in 824, I think crime thriller will come out. And then he's the star of the new J.J. Abrams movie, which is very secretive, but that's a big deal.

• 56:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 56:45Sean Fennessey?

  So I feel good about him at 30.

• 56:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited for him. Next is Michelle Yeoh.

• 56:53Amanda Dobbins?

  She's an Oscar winner. It's a complete legend and is in Wicked for some reason, but that's fine. And also in Avatar 4.

• 57:01Sean Fennessey?

  I think her performance in Wicked stinks, but she's a, she's a big star. And she's gonna be in Avatar movie after this. She's also like been very persistent in the movies in the last five years. In a way that not a lot of her contemporaries, you know, she's in her 60s. But Crazy Rich Asians, Shang-Chi, Everything Everywhere All at Once, Oscar win, and The Haunting in Venice.

• 57:24Amanda Dobbins?

  A movie that we both saw.

• 57:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, which is not a good film, but she was in it.

• 57:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 57:29Sean Fennessey?

  She was one of the stars.

• 57:30Amanda Dobbins?

  She was there.

• 57:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Number 28, Jason Momoa.

• 57:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 57:34Sean Fennessey?

  So I was a little dubious of this when I saw you had it on the list, but I-

• 57:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I have two words for you. Do you know what they are?

• 57:45Sean Fennessey?

  Aquaman.

• 57:46Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 57:47Sean Fennessey?

  Minecraft.

• 57:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Chicken Jockeys.

• 57:51Sean Fennessey?

  Great.

• 57:54Sean Fennessey?

  Momoa is-

• 57:56Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a thing.

• 57:58Sean Fennessey?

  It is a thing. I'm thinking about like, what is his future as an actor? Like, obviously, he was in Fast X. He was in the Aquaman movies. He was in Fall Guy, very amusingly, at the end of Fall Guy. He's gonna be in Supergirl. What is in the hand of Dante?

• 58:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I, you know what? Hold on, I'm so glad you asked because, hold on, of Dante. I was like, what? Oh, it's the Julian Schnabel movie. It's a new-

• 58:23Sean Fennessey?

  That's ridiculous.

• 58:26Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not sure if he's actually gonna be Lobo in the new DC Universe. Lobo is another character. He was sort of like DC's response to Wolverine in.

• 58:38Amanda Dobbins?

  So Aquaman died?

• 58:40Sean Fennessey?

  I think they're just like.

• 58:41Amanda Dobbins?

  He's dead?

• 58:41Sean Fennessey?

  Resetting all that.

• 58:42Amanda Dobbins?

  The oceans are dying, so he is too?

• 58:45Sean Fennessey?

  Something to that, I would say. What's the Wrecking Crew? Angel Manuel Soto.

• 58:50Amanda Dobbins?

  What happened to Patrick Wilson, his brother?

• 58:51Sean Fennessey?

  Orm?

• 58:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:52Sean Fennessey?

  The Ocean Master?

• 58:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:54Sean Fennessey?

  What did happen to Orm? With or Orm? I don't know. I think often of Orm.

• 59:00Amanda Dobbins?

  How'd they resolve that?

• 59:00Sean Fennessey?

  What was Willem Dafoe's character's name in that movie?

• 59:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't remember.

• 59:03Sean Fennessey?

  It was like Crab Daddy.

• 59:06Sean Fennessey?

  This movie sounds good, though, that he's gonna be in. Written by Jonathan Chopper, who is writing Your Friends and Neighbors, a TV show I'm watching right now with some reservations. The Wrecking Crew is about two half-brothers, a loose cannon cop, played by Momoa, and a disciplined Navy SEAL, played by Dave Batista, who must work together to unravel a conspiracy behind their father's murder in Hawaii. I'm in. I'm in on that. Okay, Momoa is 28.

• 59:34Sean Fennessey?

  Who's 27?

• 59:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Channing Tatum.

• 59:38Sean Fennessey?

  Lot riding on Roofman.

• 59:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but we did walk out of that theater in Vegas, and we were like, Roofman!

• 59:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Roofman is kind of what I wish all movies were, even though I haven't seen it, and I don't know if it's gonna be good.

• 59:51Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay. We like that it's, we like that it's coming. We like the idea.

• 59:55Sean Fennessey?

  He's, he's definitely, Tatum is back. It seemed like he had taken some time away. And then he did Lost City, Magic Mike's Last Dance, Fly Me to the Moon, Deadpool and Wolverine, and Blink Twice, all in a tight period of time. Roofman is Derek Sinefrance's new movie. It's his first movie in a really long time. I think the last big thing he did was The Light Between Oceans with Fassbender and Alicia Vikander.

• 1:00:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. It was really nice. Great spotters.

• 1:00:20Sean Fennessey?

  Roofman comes out in October. It's Channing Tatum, Kirsten Dunst. Channing Tatum plays a thief, a robber, who robs McDonald's.

• 1:00:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:00:31Sean Fennessey?

  And is arrested and escapes from prison, or evades capture, and then hides in a Toys R Us.

• 1:00:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:38Sean Fennessey?

  It's based on a true story.

• 1:00:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. I think he evades.

• 1:00:41Sean Fennessey?

  Evades capture. It looked pretty cool.

• 1:00:45Amanda Dobbins?

  It looked exciting, emotional. You're rooting for the, you know, the Robin Hood of the.

• 1:00:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:53Amanda Dobbins?

  It seems nice.

• 1:00:55Sean Fennessey?

  Every Derek C. and France movie is about a guy whose dad never told him he loved him. And so he has to do crime to feel better about the world, but then also resolve all of his trauma within a two hour period. These, of course, are the best films ever made.

• 1:01:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Say, let's apply it to everyone else in the world, you know? Like, if everybody could just get their, work their shit out in the Derek C. and France movie.

• 1:01:16Sean Fennessey?

  I might do a solo watch along of Place Beyond the Pines.

• 1:01:21Sean Fennessey?

  I love that movie. Okay.

• 1:01:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, we never did our watch along.

• 1:01:24Sean Fennessey?

  I know. What should we do?

• 1:01:27Sean Fennessey?

  I don't want to just do like a great movie. I like to do something that's a little weird.

• 1:01:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:01:31Sean Fennessey?

  You know, we did Dark Knight Rises. That was very funny.

• 1:01:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:01:34Sean Fennessey?

  We did Free Guy. That was great. We did Babylon. We did.

• 1:01:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:01:37Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, we did the Snyder Cut.

• 1:01:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I remember that. And we did Tenet. Yeah. Okay.

• 1:01:44Sean Fennessey?

  We've done two Nolan, so probably not another Nolan.

• 1:01:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:01:47Sean Fennessey?

  At least for now.

• 1:01:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I'll think about it.

• 1:01:48Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. If people out there in the world, if you want to know, add AK Dobbins on all social media platforms. Number 26, Viola Davis. So, did you watch G20?

• 1:02:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I never did.

• 1:02:02Sean Fennessey?

  God damn it.

• 1:02:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Sean.

• 1:02:03Sean Fennessey?

  You promised me.

• 1:02:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Sean, do you know how many films Paul Newman made?

• 1:02:08Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of movies.

• 1:02:09Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like so many movies and I'm doing the work, buddy. So I honestly, I forgot.

• 1:02:14Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think? You think he was good?

• 1:02:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm a fan.

• 1:02:17Sean Fennessey?

  You think he should have been on this list?

• 1:02:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Also, also.

• 1:02:19Sean Fennessey?

  Should dead Paul Newman be on this list?

• 1:02:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Handsome man. Just wanted to point that out.

• 1:02:22Sean Fennessey?

  Super hot. Very, very hot guy.

• 1:02:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Really alarming.

• 1:02:25Sean Fennessey?

  A lot of movies where he's just like, excuse me, I just need to take my shirt off. He was very good at that.

• 1:02:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Even at like 55 and you're just like, how are you? We've lost a little muscle mass, but you are still jacked.

• 1:02:34Sean Fennessey?

  This is where Cruz got it from.

• 1:02:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Sean Fennessey?

  He learned a lot.

• 1:02:38Sean Fennessey?

  You didn't watch G20 because you were watching the collected works of Paul Newman.

• 1:02:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm. And also another simple favor.

• 1:02:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I forgot that she was in The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes.

• 1:02:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I hated that.

• 1:02:48Sean Fennessey?

  It wasn't a very good movie. Never have I diverged more in opinion than my sister Grace, who was just like, that was a classic film.

• 1:02:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Is she excited about, is it Jesse Plemons who's.

• 1:02:59Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think she's aware. Plutarch Heavensby.

• 1:03:03Amanda Dobbins?

  What are we doing?

• 1:03:04Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean? That's perfect casting.

• 1:03:06Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I just mean that you and I are like, we showed up to work today to say Plutar Kevin's be in unison.

• 1:03:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's over. I'm dead inside. I'm completely co-opted by the movie machine. Viola Davis is a massive star. She was five on this list last time. And she's kind of had a quiet couple of years.

• 1:03:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. I think she also, we did this list right after air last time.

• 1:03:26Sean Fennessey?

  Did we?

• 1:03:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so, because, like, in our notes, we have kind of like what they've done, their resume, upcoming, and you had it written in that she was gonna get another Oscar nomination for air.

• 1:03:38Sean Fennessey?

  It didn't work out.

• 1:03:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Sean Fennessey?

  She's very good in that movie, though.

• 1:03:39Amanda Dobbins?

  She's wonderful in that movie. But I think that indicates that we were coming off of air. And so it's another thing where timing is a little bit of an issue here, where she hasn't had that much.

• 1:03:48Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed. Number 25, Adam Sandler.

• 1:03:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I'm, is it too low? I'm really excited for this summer.

• 1:03:55Sean Fennessey?

  He was 14 last time.

• 1:03:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Sean Fennessey?

  You, I think you put him here at this space of the list. It's been, it's been a sort of, it's been, I would say, a semi-muted stretch since Uncut Gems, with the exception of Hustle, which I think has a lot of fans. Otherwise, he's been mostly sticking to Netflix comedies, you know, and Spaceman, which didn't really take off. Pardon the pun.

• 1:04:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:20Sean Fennessey?

  This year is a big one for him. Now, these are two Netflix movies that he has coming, one of which is, of course, Happy Yomor 2, which is being released on my birthday.

• 1:04:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm incredibly excited about.

• 1:04:31Sean Fennessey?

  I'm gonna drop an edible and just relax for two hours and have the time of my life laughing. And then Jay Kelly, which is the new Noah Baumbach movie. I'll have a six-hour episode about that film.

• 1:04:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, I can't wait.

• 1:04:44Sean Fennessey?

  As I understand it, Sandler is in the number two role in that movie. Jay Kelly is the Clooney character, who I think is an aging movie star. Sandler, a lot of Oscar buzz.

• 1:04:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:04:54Sean Fennessey?

  Do we have nine months of Sandler content in us?

• 1:04:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Sandler and Julia Roberts in the Oscar combo? Wow. It's, we're really, we're building the Oscars of our 90s dreams. Yes, I know. But that'd be great. It's our time. You know what? We're old. We.

• 1:05:10Sean Fennessey?

  It is our time. You guys can have Minecraft. I need Adam Sandler's Academy Award. He might be too low for Sandler. It's tough with the Netflix thing. You don't really know how to gauge it.

• 1:05:20Amanda Dobbins?

  But also, again, this is a timing thing. Those movies are not out yet, you know? In a few months.

• 1:05:26Sean Fennessey?

  I don't get the impression Happy Gilmore 2 will be competing at the Academy Awards.

• 1:05:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure, but that doesn't matter. It's for us.

• 1:05:31Sean Fennessey?

  It is for us. Okay, 24.

• 1:05:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Jennifer Lawrence.

• 1:05:35Sean Fennessey?

  So this was our first big cheat.

• 1:05:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:37Sean Fennessey?

  Technically, she's not 35 until August 15th. 2025.

• 1:05:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. Again, one more Leo.

• 1:05:44Sean Fennessey?

  Is August 15th still Leo?

• 1:05:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I believe so.

• 1:05:47Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:05:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I think it's like towards the end, but I don't think it's into Virgo season. And she's not a Virgo. That's just not the energy.

• 1:05:54Sean Fennessey?

  Lynn Ramsey's Dime I Love was added to Cannes.

• 1:05:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Sean Fennessey?

  After my win.

• 1:05:58Amanda Dobbins?

  You started crying.

• 1:05:59Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't start crying.

• 1:06:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And you were like, I hate France and I'm never going.

• 1:06:04Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:06:07Amanda Dobbins?

  It all worked out.

• 1:06:08Sean Fennessey?

  We've lost the plot.

• 1:06:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Spike Lee always gonna be there? Lynn Ramsey's gonna be there? I'm not?

• 1:06:13Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh. Whose fault is that?

• 1:06:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yours.

• 1:06:16Sean Fennessey?

  It's not mine. These are your own designs. You're living in your own reality, you know? When you're at home and you and Zach are having a disagreement, are you like, I was just having the same fight with Sean?

• 1:06:29Sean Fennessey?

  Or you just say that to me about the fight you're having with your husband?

• 1:06:31Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I know better.

• 1:06:32Sean Fennessey?

  Which of course is not a fight from Zach's perspective, only from yours. Just as I feel these are not fights from my perspective.

• 1:06:37Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, no, no. I, um, I do think the Cannes convo, and they've really messed up Gmail search. Because like, I have the proof of me being informed of these dates and saying, that's when Cannes is. And.

• 1:06:56Sean Fennessey?

  You have the proof, eh?

• 1:06:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, I do, but I can't find it because I email you and Zach too much because I do email.

• 1:07:02Sean Fennessey?

  Well.

• 1:07:02Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 1:07:03Sean Fennessey?

  Sounds like you're in the Verdi to counter Sue. I'll be in abandoned dunes, luxuriating in the sun.

• 1:07:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Your arms are all gonna fall off on the first day and then it's gonna be like we didn't go to France.

• 1:07:13Sean Fennessey?

  I've been training.

• 1:07:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know. Um, so she'll, why don't, why were we talking about this?

• 1:07:19Sean Fennessey?

  Cause Die My Love is going to Cannes, which is great for her. I hope it's a wonderful film. I've really turned it around on, on J Law over the last few years.

• 1:07:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Congratulations.

• 1:07:29Sean Fennessey?

  No Hard Feelings was quite good. Causeway, enjoyed her performance in that.

• 1:07:33Amanda Dobbins?

  She's very good.

• 1:07:34Sean Fennessey?

  She was not on this list last time because she didn't qualify. Technically still doesn't qualify. Moving on. Number 23, Emily Blunt.

• 1:07:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Sean Fennessey?

  Academy Award nominated for her work in Oppenheimer.

• 1:07:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:07:45Sean Fennessey?

  She then appeared in the film Pain Hustlers, which you loved.

• 1:07:50Sean Fennessey?

  She was great in The Fall Guy.

• 1:07:52Amanda Dobbins?

  She was really good in The Fall Guy.

• 1:07:54Sean Fennessey?

  I like her in The Fall Guy a lot. And then she's got The Smashing Machine coming, new movie with The Rock from A24. And then she's the star of the new Steven Spielberg UFO movie.

• 1:08:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So that's kinda like being knighted, you know?

• 1:08:04Sean Fennessey?

  It is sort of. I am glad that she's out of the Mary Poppins Jungle Cruise stretch. She got her streaming TV show thing out of her system with The English, which I never watched, but Chris and Andy swear by. She was 33 last time, but tack on an Oscar nomination. And then let's not forget, she's also gonna be the co-star in the Dwayne Johnson Martin Scorsese movie, reportedly.

• 1:08:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Allegedly.

• 1:08:31Sean Fennessey?

  Allegedly.

• 1:08:32Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the Hawaii one?

• 1:08:33Sean Fennessey?

  Supposedly. Uh, that is the Hawaii one, yeah.

• 1:08:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Sounds great. But I just, I'm like-

• 1:08:38Sean Fennessey?

  Why do they, what, why is he her-

• 1:08:41Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, state, so.

• 1:08:43Sean Fennessey?

  Hawaii is one of, not in, not in the contiguous 50. It's the contiguous 48.

• 1:08:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Those details weren't released, so.

• 1:08:51Sean Fennessey?

  So Alaska is Seward's folly. What is the, is there a nickname for Hawaii?

• 1:08:57Sean Fennessey?

  Is it like Roosevelt's Joy?

• 1:09:00Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:09:00Sean Fennessey?

  Have you been to Hawaii? It's so nice. I love it there.

• 1:09:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, are you kidding?

• 1:09:04Sean Fennessey?

  I gotta get back there.

• 1:09:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:06Sean Fennessey?

  Emily Blunt, why is she The Rock's safety blanket now? What's going on with that?

• 1:09:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. They seem to like each other. They, they can, they have some patter.

• 1:09:15Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think Krasinski thinks about that?

• 1:09:17Amanda Dobbins?

  You know? I don't know. He's just, you know, having imaginary friends in, in their-

• 1:09:23Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think-

• 1:09:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Polatial Brooklyn apartment.

• 1:09:26Sean Fennessey?

  Is If actually a psychological thriller about how he's coping with Emily Blunt spending all her time at The Rock?

• 1:09:36Sean Fennessey?

  And where his mind goes in the absence.

• 1:09:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, so if they, it's like the home where all the imaginary friends live.

• 1:09:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Because they got retired because kids don't have imagination anymore.

• 1:09:46Sean Fennessey?

  That's well, yeah, well, they grow up to be adults and then they no longer have access to their friend.

• 1:09:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:09:52Sean Fennessey?

  Because they've lost their joy, they've lost their youthful joy.

• 1:09:55Amanda Dobbins?

  But then they all refined it again.

• 1:09:57Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think we should do if as the watch along?

• 1:10:02Sean Fennessey?

  So you're watching if for the first time?

• 1:10:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh my God, can we make Chris watch it in a movie? Has he seen The Lion King?

• 1:10:08Sean Fennessey?

  No, he's definitely never seen The Lion King. Well, may maybe in his, his uncle duty is somewhere along the line.

• 1:10:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:10:14Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, number 22, who is it?

• 1:10:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Tom Hanks.

• 1:10:20Sean Fennessey?

  Not quite 70. He's getting there.

• 1:10:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:23Sean Fennessey?

  He's pretty good. He's got two Academy Awards.

• 1:10:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. One of the signature American movie stars, in my opinion.

• 1:10:29Sean Fennessey?

  He gave an astonishing performance in Here.

• 1:10:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, which you loved. The, the last scene was very affecting. I won't spoil it because I'm getting in trouble for spoiling things. He is part of the Wes Anderson ensemble now, like after, you know, in his 60s, which rocks.

• 1:10:43Sean Fennessey?

  I did see his performance in The Phoenician Scheme recently.

• 1:10:46Amanda Dobbins?

  We're not talking about it. He's also making another, he's making a sequel to the movie about the warship.

• 1:10:52Sean Fennessey?

  Greyhound, Greyhound 2, Get Greer.

• 1:10:58Amanda Dobbins?

  So they saved the ship in the first one.

• 1:11:02Sean Fennessey?

  I can't recall.

• 1:11:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I can't either.

• 1:11:03Sean Fennessey?

  I simply can't recall.

• 1:11:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I couldn't even tell which one was Greyhound.

• 1:11:06Sean Fennessey?

  He was on that ship. He was very sternly delivering orders to his men to turn stern the bow.

• 1:11:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:11:13Sean Fennessey?

  All kinds of important military things during, during the war, the Great War.

• 1:11:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:19Sean Fennessey?

  The war to end all wars. He's in Toy Story 5 as well.

• 1:11:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:24Sean Fennessey?

  Excited about that?

• 1:11:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I'll see it.

• 1:11:26Sean Fennessey?

  We did a Monsters Inc. Monsters University double bill on Saturday and Sunday over the weekend.

• 1:11:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, how'd it go?

• 1:11:33Sean Fennessey?

  So well.

• 1:11:34Amanda Dobbins?

  We did Monsters Inc. at the Academy Museum.

• 1:11:37Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 1:11:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I think we only did like the first 40 minutes because.

• 1:11:40Sean Fennessey?

  Was he scared?

• 1:11:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, no, he wasn't. But they do a nice thing. They do great family screenings where they keep the lights up. And I think that that had a big thing to do with it. And he seemed to think it was funny.

• 1:11:52Sean Fennessey?

  It is very funny.

• 1:11:53Amanda Dobbins?

  And even like when the monsters were coming in, you know, we watched the whole like training sequence, all the, all the good setup. And then he's, he was like two and a half, so we had to leave.

• 1:12:02Sean Fennessey?

  I see. Tom Hanks used to be number nine on this list. He's now number 22.

• 1:12:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:12:06Sean Fennessey?

  We still have 21 more names to read.

• 1:12:08Amanda Dobbins?

  This is going really well.

• 1:12:09Sean Fennessey?

  Who's next?

• 1:12:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Cate Blanchett.

• 1:12:13Sean Fennessey?

  She was 12 last time.

• 1:12:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I think we were coming off Tar.

• 1:12:17Sean Fennessey?

  We were coming off Tar.

• 1:12:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:19Sean Fennessey?

  Should she be lower? Is this too high? Borderlands not her fault, but a fiasco.

• 1:12:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Disclaimer.

• 1:12:24Sean Fennessey?

  Disclaimer. What the hell?

• 1:12:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Black Bag rocks.

• 1:12:29Sean Fennessey?

  Black Bag doing a lot of work here.

• 1:12:31Amanda Dobbins?

  It's our list. Just Cate Blanchett.

• 1:12:33Sean Fennessey?

  She'll next be seen at Cannes.

• 1:12:37Sean Fennessey?

  Is she gonna be at Cannes?

• 1:12:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. You were yelling that why is Jim, the Jim Jarmusch movie not?

• 1:12:42Sean Fennessey?

  Did this not get announced for Cannes? Maybe it didn't.

• 1:12:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it did. Let's see. Jim Jarmusch.

• 1:12:45Sean Fennessey?

  Father, mother, sister, brother.

• 1:12:48Amanda Dobbins?

  News.

• 1:12:50Sean Fennessey?

  This is podcasting.

• 1:12:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, no. Nothing yet.

• 1:12:53Sean Fennessey?

  What the actual fuck?

• 1:12:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. Now you hate France again.

• 1:12:57Sean Fennessey?

  Cate Blanchett is a wonderful actor. And an underrated movie star.

• 1:13:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:02Sean Fennessey?

  Should she?

• 1:13:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Who do you want to trade her with?

• 1:13:06Sean Fennessey?

  Gosh.

• 1:13:09Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. I mean, when you, like, when you look down the list of actresses, like, you could see Ana de Armas vaulting if Ballerina is a real hit. You know what I mean? Like, someone like that? Like, she's, Ana de Armas is never gonna be considered the actor that Cate Blanchett is. Cate Blanchett, by force of will, by doing like Thor and Ocean's Eight, she kinda like thrust herself, obviously she's in the Lord of the Rings movies, kinda thrust herself into a level of fame.

• 1:13:34Amanda Dobbins?

  She, she comes back, you know?

• 1:13:36Sean Fennessey?

  She does. She does. She continues to play in those movies. We'll keep her there for now. Again, check back on this list in two months. It might look a little bit different.

• 1:13:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:44Sean Fennessey?

  Fortunately, we get to wait two years before we do it again. Number 20 is Robert Downey Jr.

• 1:13:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:50Sean Fennessey?

  Is he gonna be in The Fantastic Four first steps? I guess that makes sense, because Doctor Doom is the primary antagonist of The Fantastic Four. Did you know that?

• 1:13:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Do I need to be a part of this conversation? I just copied and pasted from Wikipedia, man.

• 1:14:03Sean Fennessey?

  He was in Oppenheimer. He won an Academy Award.

• 1:14:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Sean Fennessey?

  As Louis Strauss. Not Strauss.

• 1:14:08Amanda Dobbins?

  What did that guy do?

• 1:14:09Sean Fennessey?

  Strauss.

• 1:14:10Amanda Dobbins?

  He blamed Oppenheimer.

• 1:14:13Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he worked to undermine him to further the development of, of an array of missiles and warheads to compete with the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

• 1:14:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Got it.

• 1:14:25Sean Fennessey?

  He was an unkind bureaucrat who attempted to tarnish the reputation of a great man.

• 1:14:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:31Sean Fennessey?

  I guess. I don't know.

• 1:14:32Amanda Dobbins?

  There's always, there's always one of those.

• 1:14:34Sean Fennessey?

  There's always one of those. He was 17 last time. He did win an Academy Award.

• 1:14:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but like.

• 1:14:39Sean Fennessey?

  Since last being on this list.

• 1:14:40Amanda Dobbins?

  He's literally, he hasn't done any, he did the sympathizer.

• 1:14:42Sean Fennessey?

  He did.

• 1:14:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Which is cool, but I don't really think worked out. And now he's just like another Marvel character.

• 1:14:48Sean Fennessey?

  The Doctor Doom reveal thing did pop. It was in a certain quartile of the world, but it was a big deal. I'm not really, I don't really love that he's going back to Marvel for obvious reasons, but it, he is.

• 1:14:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I know it's a big deal, but it's not that cool.

• 1:15:02Sean Fennessey?

  Do you dislike when I start like kind of negotiating, debating through the list after we've already made it?

• 1:15:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I just, yes, because then you're making it as like, like I, as I am the sole author of the list and you just get to edit it.

• 1:15:15Sean Fennessey?

  I'm merely making a podcast.

• 1:15:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure. Okay.

• 1:15:19Sean Fennessey?

  Who's number 19?

• 1:15:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Keanu Reeves.

• 1:15:22Sean Fennessey?

  This is a very interesting one because of what he has coming up. Obviously, he's an icon forever.

• 1:15:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:15:26Sean Fennessey?

  He's been a part of huge franchises. He's given, given great performances and, you know, awards films, dramas. He's gonna be.

• 1:15:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Something's gotta give.

• 1:15:36Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely. Well, he did yeoman's work in that film as an unreasonably hot doctor, willing to give away his libido to a 70-year-old man, as, as one does.

• 1:15:46Sean Fennessey?

  He's 60.

• 1:15:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:50Sean Fennessey?

  Wow.

• 1:15:51Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:15:52Sean Fennessey?

  Is it his hair undyed?

• 1:15:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know, but if it's dyed-

• 1:15:56Sean Fennessey?

  His hair is black.

• 1:15:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Then that's great, you know?

• 1:15:59Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not judging him, I'm just curious.

• 1:16:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 1:16:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's really, it's coming in now.

• 1:16:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:04Sean Fennessey?

  Like, it's the gray white is coming in over here.

• 1:16:07Amanda Dobbins?

  It could be dyed, that's okay.

• 1:16:09Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, should I dye?

• 1:16:11Amanda Dobbins?

  No, because then you'll be like George Clooney, that's the thing, so, because you haven't, so George Clooney dyed his hair for Broadway?

• 1:16:17Sean Fennessey?

  I saw that, but that was for the character.

• 1:16:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but then he just is living in it, and he was like on the Today Show on it, and he, I mean, he's being self-deprecating about it. He's like, I know that I look insane, and my wife and kids think that-

• 1:16:28Sean Fennessey?

  But he was like a silver fox 20 years ago.

• 1:16:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly, and that's the thing, but like, once the gray starts, you can't, you can't just change it one day. So, that's your problem, like, you're going gray.

• 1:16:40Sean Fennessey?

  We're not gonna release it, I'm gonna dye my hair this afternoon, and then we're not gonna speak of this again, okay? I have no desire to dye my hair. Uh, Keanu is a great choice, so he's got Ballerina coming up, where he was asked to come in and reshoot some scenes, so they could get people interested in that movie.

• 1:16:55Amanda Dobbins?

  So they could have the Keanu, the John McMagic.

• 1:16:57Sean Fennessey?

  He plays an angel in the forthcoming Aziz Ansari comedy Good Fortune.

• 1:17:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm, I believe it's the Angel Gabriel, I don't know whether it's the Angel Gabriel, or a angel named Gabriel.

• 1:17:07Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we're gonna find out when we see the film, bring your bibles, folks, and then the entertainment system is down.

• 1:17:13Amanda Dobbins?

  That's a pretty important angel.

• 1:17:15Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely, he is, he's one of the key angels, one of the critical angels.

• 1:17:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:17:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's the name of my memoir, The Critical Angel. The entertainment system is down, is Ruben Oslin's next film?

• 1:17:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:17:27Sean Fennessey?

  Who is a filmmaker who I used to love, and now I think might be kind of a dope, but I'm excited about that movie. Kirsten Dunst?

• 1:17:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Kiki, yeah, she's been Instagramming photos from that set, which is just like, you know, they built a plane in a-

• 1:17:39Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think it will be a withering satire about how we're all idiots?

• 1:17:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Probably, do I, you know?

• 1:17:45Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, he's, the problem with him is that like, he's right, but like, I know.

• 1:17:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, this is kind of how I felt about another Kirsten Dunst movie, Civil War, so, yeah, she's-

• 1:17:54Sean Fennessey?

  He's right, but you know.

• 1:17:55Amanda Dobbins?

  She's, yeah, exactly.

• 1:17:56Sean Fennessey?

  Number 18 is Charlize Theron.

• 1:17:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:59Sean Fennessey?

  Now- I don't really know what's going on here. She was number two in 2021. She was number seven in 2023.

• 1:18:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And then she took some time.

• 1:18:11Sean Fennessey?

  Since then, she's been in Fast X.

• 1:18:15Sean Fennessey?

  And she's gonna be in The Old Guard 2.

• 1:18:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:17Sean Fennessey?

  And this is where The Odyssey is doing a lot of work.

• 1:18:20Amanda Dobbins?

  She's Charlize. Like, you think she just shouldn't be on this list?

• 1:18:24Sean Fennessey?

  I think she should make movies.

• 1:18:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well, talk to her.

• 1:18:27Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I can. If I could speak with her, I probably would. But that's just not in my power right now. I'm obviously a huge fan. I think she's a genuinely phenomenal movie star.

• 1:18:37Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just like if Julia Roberts is on the list at 35, then Charlize also gets to be on the list, even though the spacing between her movies has been a little weird.

• 1:18:46Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not arguing she shouldn't be on the list, but just maybe more, you know, maybe she's raising a family. I don't know. I wish her well.

• 1:18:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:18:54Sean Fennessey?

  I hope she makes more movies. She does. She does have a few coming down the pike. The Old Guard 2.

• 1:18:59Amanda Dobbins?

  We were, we were fine on The Old Guard.

• 1:19:01Sean Fennessey?

  That was Gina Prince, by the way, and that's not who directed this one. I think Victoria Mahoney directed this new one, I think. I don't, I don't even know how I knew what that person's name is, but maybe it'll be good. I shouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Who's number 17?

• 1:19:13Amanda Dobbins?

  It's your fave. You put him here. His name is Chris Pratt.

• 1:19:16Sean Fennessey?

  Did I put him here?

• 1:19:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, no, I think I did.

• 1:19:19Sean Fennessey?

  You did. I'm pretty sure you did.

• 1:19:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:20Sean Fennessey?

  But you're not wrong. You're not wrong. He's Garfield. Renowned for his work as Garfield in the film Garfield.

• 1:19:28Sean Fennessey?

  He's Starlord. He's, um, the chubby guy from Parks and Rec.

• 1:19:34Amanda Dobbins?

  He's, uh, yeah. What was his name in The Electric State?

• 1:19:38Sean Fennessey?

  Jim State?

• 1:19:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, great. People seem to like his movies. What's the, he's in a crazy movie. I don't know. Some people seem to be happy.

• 1:19:49Sean Fennessey?

  You know, so be on Jim State. That's the best I can do here. We're, it's been an hour already. It's been an hour and 15 minutes.

• 1:19:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sorry. I was too busy trying to recall the plot of the insane movie that he introduced at CinemaCon.

• 1:20:01Sean Fennessey?

  Movie's called Mercy.

• 1:20:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:20:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's gonna be Minority Report for people with a brain injury.

• 1:20:09Sean Fennessey?

  And it honestly looked pretty entertaining.

• 1:20:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Rebecca Ferguson is also in it, right?

• 1:20:13Sean Fennessey?

  It looked entertaining.

• 1:20:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and she did like a pre-recorded FaceTime call.

• 1:20:17Sean Fennessey?

  She did.

• 1:20:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And then he was just there being like, I'm strapped to the chair.

• 1:20:22Sean Fennessey?

  No one has seen this footage. This movie doesn't give out for a year.

• 1:20:26Amanda Dobbins?

  It looks pretty stressful, but I remember Matt Bellamy being like, "That looks like the kind of streaming movie that I will watch until the end."

• 1:20:32Sean Fennessey?

  But it's coming on theaters.

• 1:20:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, well.

• 1:20:34Sean Fennessey?

  That's the thing.

• 1:20:36Amanda Dobbins?

  It'll stream eventually.

• 1:20:37Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's a January 2026 release. Number 16 is Robert Pattinson. I lobbied for Bob Pats. I think he needs to be on the list.

• 1:20:46Amanda Dobbins?

  You know that I love him deeply.

• 1:20:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Now, Mickey 17, not a huge hit, obviously.

• 1:20:50Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay.

• 1:20:51Sean Fennessey?

  But he has quite an array of films coming up, and he is Batman. We don't know when Batman 2 is coming. There's been some confusion about whether or not the script is done or not, whether or not Matt Reeves is gonna go forward with it, how it fits into the James Gunn thing.

• 1:21:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Does James Gunn recognize Robert Pattinson as Batman?

• 1:21:09Sean Fennessey?

  In the films made by Matt Reeves, but not in the universe he's creating.

• 1:21:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:21:15Sean Fennessey?

  You asked that question, and you got the answer that you deserved.

• 1:21:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I honestly, that look of disgust was not directed towards you. It was directed towards James Gunn and his aesthetic choices.

• 1:21:28Sean Fennessey?

  I like the film The Batman quite a bit. I love Tenet.

• 1:21:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Me too.

• 1:21:32Sean Fennessey?

  Mickey 17 I liked. I think people are weirdly too hard on it. Sometimes you like to kick a guy, you know, you're like, hmm.

• 1:21:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:38Sean Fennessey?

  You had your parasite moment, maybe you're not so good.

• 1:21:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we like this, but also, you know, why is there a Trump character for an hour?

• 1:21:45Sean Fennessey?

  So I was thinking about this over the weekend. If Kamala Harris were the president, there would be a lot more warmth towards the movie, would be my opinion.

• 1:21:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. It would be a lot of things.

• 1:21:56Sean Fennessey?

  It would feel more like an artifact of political satire rather than an active moment of political satire.

• 1:22:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, fair enough.

• 1:22:02Sean Fennessey?

  Just my take. Pattinson, I think is great. Die My Love, At Ten, Without You, The Drama, which is a new drama apparently starring Zendaya and Pattinson coming out later this year, A24. The Odyssey.

• 1:22:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Who is he?

• 1:22:17Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, he's Zeus. I'm not sure.

• 1:22:21Amanda Dobbins?

  It would be funny.

• 1:22:22Sean Fennessey?

  Film called Primetime and the Batman 2 in theory.

• 1:22:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you guys into Greek mythology over at your house yet?

• 1:22:28Sean Fennessey?

  We do have.

• 1:22:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you read the book? I gave you that book, so that's why you have it.

• 1:22:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, we've read every story.

• 1:22:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:22:33Sean Fennessey?

  Every chapter is 38 pages, so it is like a deathless struggle to get.

• 1:22:37Amanda Dobbins?

  But they're beautiful illustrations.

• 1:22:38Sean Fennessey?

  I think the book is wonderful, Amanda, but God, it's like roughly 40 minutes just to get through one story. And then as soon as we finish one, she's like, can we read the next one? So, nice purchase. We're trying to keep bedtime to a reasonable stretch.

• 1:22:52Amanda Dobbins?

  This is Delair's Book of Greek Myths for anyone who doesn't know the classic. There's also apparently a really good podcast for kids that I'm gonna, I'm gonna put Alice on to.

• 1:22:59Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, that sounds great. Alice, as you know, very fond of stories. I wonder where she gets that from.

• 1:23:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, he's playing Hermes, according to the first Google.

• 1:23:07Sean Fennessey?

  That checks out.

• 1:23:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I can see it.

• 1:23:09Sean Fennessey?

  That checks out. Isn't Hermes bald canonically?

• 1:23:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I actually don't know if that's canonical. You, you have read Delair's more recently than I.

• 1:23:18Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I think that, yeah, I'm not sure. I'm gonna give that some thought. Who's 15?

• 1:23:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Margot Robbie.

• 1:23:26Sean Fennessey?

  Now, she's not 35 for another eight weeks.

• 1:23:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:23:29Sean Fennessey?

  But it's important that we get her on this list.

• 1:23:31Amanda Dobbins?

  She's not a Leo. I believe she's a Cancer.

• 1:23:34Sean Fennessey?

  Just like Alice.

• 1:23:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:37Sean Fennessey?

  She went from, are we sure she's good? To this person matters greatly to me after Babylon, to this person changed your life in Barbie? And now.

• 1:23:49Amanda Dobbins?

  What is your doing there?

• 1:23:52Sean Fennessey?

  Your life.

• 1:23:52Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:23:53Sean Fennessey?

  Your life was you saw Barbie and you said women can have it all.

• 1:23:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Barbie was a phenomenon. That's all. It made, it made a shit ton of money. It made more money than Oppenheimer. I just kinda like, that was a thing.

• 1:24:03Sean Fennessey?

  You didn't like it?

• 1:24:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I loved it, but I just, you don't need to just, you know.

• 1:24:08Sean Fennessey?

  As I recall, it was your number two movie of the year.

• 1:24:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:11Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Was it better than Oppenheimer?

• 1:24:14Amanda Dobbins?

  To me, yes.

• 1:24:15Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. She's also gonna be in Wuthering Heights with her.

• 1:24:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm concerned about this.

• 1:24:22Sean Fennessey?

  Off and on partner Emerald Fennel. And then she's gonna be in A Big Bold Beautiful Journey in September, which I'm very excited about, opposite Colin Farrell. She was number one on 35 under 35.

• 1:24:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:33Sean Fennessey?

  Let's see if, see if it translates.

• 1:24:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I think we will.

• 1:24:38Sean Fennessey?

  Um, 14, who is it?

• 1:24:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Joaquin Phoenix.

• 1:24:43Sean Fennessey?

  Tricky time for old Joaquin. We got the folia disaster.

• 1:24:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:24:51Sean Fennessey?

  We got the backing out of the Todd Haynes movie. Hate to hear about that.

• 1:24:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:54Sean Fennessey?

  Not a fan.

• 1:24:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Napoleon didn't really hit.

• 1:24:57Sean Fennessey?

  Internationally, though, it did.

• 1:24:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, OK.

• 1:24:59Sean Fennessey?

  Did very well in Europe.

• 1:25:00Amanda Dobbins?

  OK.

• 1:25:01Sean Fennessey?

  So.

• 1:25:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I liked it.

• 1:25:02Sean Fennessey?

  I liked it, too.

• 1:25:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:05Sean Fennessey?

  And now he's got Eddington.

• 1:25:08Amanda Dobbins?

  This is he's the rare, just like, really good actor who's so weird and has kind of fallen into enough franchise parts, mostly through Joker. But I mean, I got, you know, Gladiator.

• 1:25:22Sean Fennessey?

  Walk the line.

• 1:25:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that that he's legit. But it's hard to do what Joaquin is doing. So you say tricky times. I say, you know, he's he's painting his masterpiece.

• 1:25:34Sean Fennessey?

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• 1:27:19Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so Joaquin was 18 previously. This next guy, never been on one of our lists, ever. And he finds himself at 13. Who is it?

• 1:27:29Amanda Dobbins?

  It's Sean's favorite movie star. Jack Black.

• 1:27:32Sean Fennessey?

  Jack Black. Jack motherfucking Black. Jack Black, recent guest on Good Hang with Amy Poehler. Phenomenal episode of the show.

• 1:27:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:27:42Sean Fennessey?

  They're booking very well on that show.

• 1:27:43Amanda Dobbins?

  They really are.

• 1:27:45Sean Fennessey?

  They're better than here. They don't have Nicolas Cage, do they? They don't. Shout out to Amy.

• 1:27:54Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it dawned on me after I saw Minecraft. That this is a huge movie star.

• 1:27:59Amanda Dobbins?

  This guy, Minecraft plus Super Mario Brothers.

• 1:28:03Sean Fennessey?

  Plus Kung Fu Panda.

• 1:28:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:07Sean Fennessey?

  Plus Jumanji.

• 1:28:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I forgot that they were still doing that.

• 1:28:12Sean Fennessey?

  That's $2 billion, that's $3 billion in movies.

• 1:28:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:28:15Sean Fennessey?

  $4 billion. That's a lot.

• 1:28:18Amanda Dobbins?

  How many Jack Black movies has your child seen?

• 1:28:22Sean Fennessey?

  Zero.

• 1:28:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Same.

• 1:28:23Sean Fennessey?

  Zero. We've never watched the Kung Fu Panda or the Super Mario Brothers movie. I do think that's probably coming for us.

• 1:28:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, because her cousins are into Super Mario Brothers.

• 1:28:31Sean Fennessey?

  Correct. We've got a whole week coming with our cousins, so that'll be interesting. What gets in the bloodstream there after the trip?

• 1:28:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Some Princess Peach vibes coming strong.

• 1:28:41Sean Fennessey?

  No question. He's next gonna appear in the film Anaconda. Which I think is gonna be a tongue-in-cheek riff on the 90s classic Anaconda. Starring Hollywood ambassador Jon Voight.

• 1:28:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, good.

• 1:28:53Sean Fennessey?

  And Jennifer Lopez.

• 1:28:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I wrote the scripts. So finally, my dreams are making it to the big screen.

• 1:29:00Sean Fennessey?

  You like a snake?

• 1:29:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't. I don't mind them.

• 1:29:03Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. What about a giant snake?

• 1:29:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, no, I think that would scare me a bit. I don't really wanna interact with them. Definitely don't wanna keep one as a pet in my home.

• 1:29:11Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. You've got two boys in your house, so I wish you luck. Number 12 is Ryan Reynolds.

• 1:29:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Here we go.

• 1:29:19Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 1:29:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I get like, you know, Deadpool and Wolverine, we get it.

• 1:29:24Sean Fennessey?

  Free Guy.

• 1:29:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Mint Mobile.

• 1:29:27Sean Fennessey?

  The Adam Project. Hmm, Red Notice.

• 1:29:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:29:32Sean Fennessey?

  Deadpool 2, which I liked.

• 1:29:36Sean Fennessey?

  He's gonna, he's got an animated movie coming up called Animal Friends.

• 1:29:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:40Sean Fennessey?

  And then he's got an original with Apple called May Day.

• 1:29:45Sean Fennessey?

  He was previously 21, 21, he's now 12. I think there's like a really like a grudging acceptance at this point that we are kind of living in Ryan Reynolds's century.

• 1:29:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:55Sean Fennessey?

  And what does that mean for us as a culture?

• 1:29:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think we love it, but if it keeps the, the theaters open and gives people discount mobile service and also a soccer team in Wales, then that's where it is, right? That's where Wrexham is.

• 1:30:11Sean Fennessey?

  I believe so.

• 1:30:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Never watch an episode of that.

• 1:30:13Sean Fennessey?

  Nor I.

• 1:30:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yeah, he's hanging on. I, he, I did think that the, the Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni of it all was notable for a number of reasons, but like the way that he was brought into it and the way that

• 1:30:30Amanda Dobbins?

  they tried to go for his reputation as well. And it definitely did not stick in the way that it did for Blake Lively. Now, obviously we live in a sexist world and especially when it's people on, on Instagram, on Instagram.

• 1:30:44Sean Fennessey?

  We live in a sexist world?

• 1:30:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But.

• 1:30:46Sean Fennessey?

  I don't understand what you mean. You mean that somehow men are judged differently than women in our culture?

• 1:30:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially like.

• 1:30:53Sean Fennessey?

  Who's responsible for this?

• 1:30:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Sticking up for themselves, but.

• 1:30:56Sean Fennessey?

  Wait, go back. When did this start?

• 1:30:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, okay, girl dad.

• 1:31:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm gonna come over with my.

• 1:31:04Sean Fennessey?

  First time hearing of this.

• 1:31:05Amanda Dobbins?

  With my PowerPoint for us.

• 1:31:07Sean Fennessey?

  Great. She's being raised to be confident.

• 1:31:10Amanda Dobbins?

  She is extremely confident.

• 1:31:12Sean Fennessey?

  Deeply informed.

• 1:31:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:14Sean Fennessey?

  Um, it is clearly making her an asshole know it all, but we're, we're working through it. I take the blame.

• 1:31:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, I was, for a moment there, it was wobbly with him and then everyone decided that they didn't care.

• 1:31:26Sean Fennessey?

  I think he's very good at his thing. And once upon a time, his thing, absolute ceiling of it was Chevy Chase. And now all of a sudden, his thing is billion dollar movie star. And I find some of the persona to be deeply unpleasant. In comic book movies, we could do worse. Honestly, that's how I feel about the Deadpool movies. It's like, they're silly, they're stupid, they're kind of, they're profane and ridiculous, but like, that's okay. They're comic book movies.

• 1:31:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:51Sean Fennessey?

  Other stuff, when he's trying to make like a Spielberg-esque, touching sci-fi dramedy? I'm like, get, just get the fuck out of here. Like, this sucks, dude. Like, I really don't like those movies at all.

• 1:32:05Amanda Dobbins?

  You didn't like him as the doting father in If?

• 1:32:10Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, no, he was the, he was the, the-

• 1:32:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, he was the-

• 1:32:14Sean Fennessey?

  He was the surrogate. He was the, yeah, he was like the, he was the stand-in for-

• 1:32:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:32:20Sean Fennessey?

  He was the lost friend.

• 1:32:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's right, yeah.

• 1:32:22Sean Fennessey?

  Krasinski was the creepy father.

• 1:32:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, okay, sorry.

• 1:32:24Sean Fennessey?

  Who keeps hiding in the closet in the hospital bedroom. It was just a very strange movie. There's so much If talk on this episode. Um, Ryan Reynolds is a huge star. We're, we're saying, though, that Ryan Gosling is at number 11 a bigger star.

• 1:32:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:38Sean Fennessey?

  Is that actually true?

• 1:32:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean-

• 1:32:42Sean Fennessey?

  To us, it is.

• 1:32:45Sean Fennessey?

  The Ryan and Ryan battle here at 12 and 11 is very interesting to me. They're both right on the outside of the top 10.

• 1:32:52Sean Fennessey?

  Ryan Gosling is, of course, in theory, the more sophisticated and interesting actor, the more appealing, famous person-

• 1:33:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so, but Barbie in Star Wars, you know? That's kind of, that's what the, that's what inches him-

• 1:33:07Sean Fennessey?

  I think-

• 1:33:08Amanda Dobbins?

  This high up, in my opinion.

• 1:33:09Sean Fennessey?

  The I'm Just Ken performance at the Oscars is what I'm leaning on for this-

• 1:33:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:33:13Sean Fennessey?

  Ranking.

• 1:33:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:14Sean Fennessey?

  Which was, that was one of the best Oscar moments of the last five years. Incredibly memorable. In fact, I can feel the Oscars wanting to chase that for the next five years.

• 1:33:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:24Sean Fennessey?

  Only he could have done that. And then we did get a chance to see Project Hail Mary footage when we were in Las Vegas. And it-

• 1:33:31Amanda Dobbins?

  And we're psyched.

• 1:33:31Sean Fennessey?

  It looked great. It looked very exciting. I can't say I'm thrilled about Star Wars: Starfighter, directed by Sean Levy, better known as Ryan Reynolds' creative partner.

• 1:33:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm not thrilled about it either, but, you know, Star Wars is in the title along with Starfighter for, it's, it's like the premium brand name.

• 1:33:50Sean Fennessey?

  How did you celebrate May the 4th?

• 1:33:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, what did I do? I looked at a local pizza establishment's Instagram post saying that their old school TV and VHS had been fixed so that they could be playing the trilogy all day long.

• 1:34:11Sean Fennessey?

  No kidding?

• 1:34:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And then I reflected on how I tried to go to that pizza place on Friday night, but it was too crowded, so we had to leave.

• 1:34:20Sean Fennessey?

  You know, when-

• 1:34:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm happy for them.

• 1:34:21Sean Fennessey?

  When this episode goes up, it will be revealed that the next Rewatchables episode is a little movie called Star Wars: A New Hope, which we did.

• 1:34:31Amanda Dobbins?

  When it, so when is that? Are you sure? I just like, I was, I just got really nervous. Like, you're sure about the timing? Jack, don't, don't screw this up.

• 1:34:38Sean Fennessey?

  Struck by Zeus Simmons's thunderbolt? Um, no, yeah, it'll be up tonight.

• 1:34:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, great, that's exciting. I'll listen to it.

• 1:34:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, we did that. And Ryan Gosling didn't come up.

• 1:34:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:34:48Sean Fennessey?

  Let's do the top 10.

• 1:34:50Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 1:34:50Sean Fennessey?

  I like this pick at number 10. Who is it?

• 1:34:52Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's a man named Matt Damon.

• 1:34:54Sean Fennessey?

  Big vault up from 23.

• 1:34:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:56Sean Fennessey?

  So Gosling, the last two years, has completely rebuilt his image. He was 35. Matt Damon now has vaulted up too.

• 1:35:03Amanda Dobbins?

  So the last time that we did it was right after air and we were like, pretty good, but you know, this is a, a movie about marketing. And then Oppenheimer and Odyssey came through.

• 1:35:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And also Rip, which is his new movie with Ben Affleck coming out later this year.

• 1:35:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I do think that like Matt at 10 also stands end for Ben. You know, they have been-

• 1:35:25Sean Fennessey?

  Together.

• 1:35:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Standing for each other. And so right now, Matt's carrying the mantle.

• 1:35:29Sean Fennessey?

  What's our version of artist equity? Like, what are we gonna do together? What business are we gonna form that really gives back?

• 1:35:37Amanda Dobbins?

  And makes us a lot of money because we sell it to streaming services for just like a $200 million?

• 1:35:42Sean Fennessey?

  What's our sellout move that is masquerading as an act of decency?

• 1:35:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I mean-

• 1:35:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Hosting children screenings at various, uh, Los Angeles movie.

• 1:35:55Sean Fennessey?

  That's just called babysitting.

• 1:35:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:58Sean Fennessey?

  Matt Damon's great. I'm a huge fan. Can't say I like the movie The Instigators, but.

• 1:36:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't hate it. It wasn't very good. Yeah.

• 1:36:06Sean Fennessey?

  Drive Away Dolls, great cameo.

• 1:36:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Really funny, and he always does those things.

• 1:36:11Sean Fennessey?

  He is. He's a cameo king. He's 54 years old.

• 1:36:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:14Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think he used supplements to get yolks?

• 1:36:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I do, but I hope that it was safe, you know? I, we looked at the photos.

• 1:36:20Sean Fennessey?

  Speaking of supplement questions, Dwayne The Rock Johnson is number nine. Now, curious thing here.

• 1:36:27Amanda Dobbins?

  He had like a bunch of flops and then he moved up on our list?

• 1:36:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's on a, an epic cold streak right now. I mean, he's on one of the worst cold streaks I can remember. These are his last few movies.

• 1:36:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:36:41Sean Fennessey?

  Red Notice, Jungle Cruise, Fast X, Black Adam, Red One. That's five stinkers in a row.

• 1:36:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:36:48Sean Fennessey?

  And yet, Smashing Machine Trailer, people are like, is it The Rock's Oscar time? Moana Live Action.

• 1:36:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Also, you left out Moana 2.

• 1:36:59Sean Fennessey?

  Moana 2.

• 1:37:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I, I know. I've heard it. I've heard. I've heard the feedback.

• 1:37:04Sean Fennessey?

  It was okay. I'm actually, I've turned it around on that soundtrack. I kinda like it.

• 1:37:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:37:08Sean Fennessey?

  Griffin Newman and I have a.

• 1:37:09Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:37:10Sean Fennessey?

  A debate about it. He says it's not so good. It's hard to live up to Lin-Manuel Miranda.

• 1:37:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's true.

• 1:37:17Sean Fennessey?

  But yeah, so Moana Live Action, and then Martin Scorsese's last movie. He's the star of Martin Scorsese's last movie.

• 1:37:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Allegedly.

• 1:37:24Sean Fennessey?

  What's going on there?

• 1:37:25Amanda Dobbins?

  People believe in him, even though, despite the evidence, you know, this is, this is a city of dreams, Sean. Also, also, I mean, he was.

• 1:37:35Sean Fennessey?

  The Arts District of Los Angeles? Certainly a lot of dreamers here.

• 1:37:38Amanda Dobbins?

  This is where dreams go to die. Um, he was like, top four on the National Research Group list, and I think number one among Gen Z. He has just like, he has the erasmus and he has the brand name recognition, independent of the movies, so.

• 1:37:55Sean Fennessey?

  If you could just take him and put him into any A24 movie that's ever come out, just swap him in as the lead in any of those films, which one would you put him in?

• 1:38:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, Showing Up.

• 1:38:10Amanda Dobbins?

  He's doing the little sculptures with his big hand.

• 1:38:13Sean Fennessey?

  That was as good an answer as I could have asked for. Who's number eight?

• 1:38:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Zoe Saldana.

• 1:38:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, big jump up from 27. This is what an Academy Award will, will get you.

• 1:38:22Amanda Dobbins?

  And also being in Guardians of the Galaxy and Avatar.

• 1:38:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Do you remember her character's name in Avatar?

• 1:38:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I'm closing my eyes.

• 1:38:31Sean Fennessey?

  Rack your brain.

• 1:38:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:38:32Sean Fennessey?

  Try harder. These are the biggest films of all time. She's the star.

• 1:38:37Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:38:37Sean Fennessey?

  Nateri.

• 1:38:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. What is Sam Worthington?

• 1:38:41Sean Fennessey?

  Jake Sully.

• 1:38:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure. I remember Jake Sully. Yeah.

• 1:38:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I heard there's some Sully stuff on the rehearsal.

• 1:38:47Sean Fennessey?

  What about the whale's name? Do you remember the whale?

• 1:38:50Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:38:51Sean Fennessey?

  Pyakon.

• 1:38:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:38:52Sean Fennessey?

  And what about?

• 1:38:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Wasn't there a different, was there, um, a whale or a significant sea creature in Black Panther Wakanda Forever?

• 1:39:05Sean Fennessey?

  I think you're thinking of Namor.

• 1:39:06Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I mean, that's the superhero, but isn't there, okay.

• 1:39:09Sean Fennessey?

  Namor.

• 1:39:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I, I remember.

• 1:39:12Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I think you're thinking of Monstro from Pinocchio. The whale? No? Is that not what you're thinking of?

• 1:39:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe I'm thinking of, who was the Godzilla Kong, the new, what's, what was the most recent Godzilla, was Godzilla V Kong?

• 1:39:30Sean Fennessey?

  Godzilla X Kong.

• 1:39:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Oh, thank you so much for that important clarification. And then got, so Kong lives in like this, the, Rebecca Hall explained it so well.

• 1:39:44Sean Fennessey?

  The hollow earth.

• 1:39:45Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, the hollow earth. And then under the hollow earth, there's like another, but that, is that person made of ice? The ice lizard?

• 1:39:54Sean Fennessey?

  I have no idea what you're talking about.

• 1:39:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you remember?

• 1:39:56Sean Fennessey?

  I can't remember.

• 1:39:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, who were the antagonists in Godzilla X Kong? Because it's not Godzilla or Kong.

• 1:40:01Sean Fennessey?

  I've been averaging 4.2 hours of sleep for like five years.

• 1:40:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, maybe that's who I was thinking of.

• 1:40:08Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Now, what does this have to do with Zoe Saldana?

• 1:40:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, Avatar?

• 1:40:11Sean Fennessey?

  Right. She's also, she was in Guardians of the Galaxy. She was in the Star Trek movies.

• 1:40:16Amanda Dobbins?

  What's Avatar four? Avatar three is fire, Avatar four is?

• 1:40:19Sean Fennessey?

  Ash.

• 1:40:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, but so then is four ice?

• 1:40:22Sean Fennessey?

  Avatar four is microplastics.

• 1:40:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Not funny.

• 1:40:28Sean Fennessey?

  It is funny, though.

• 1:40:29Amanda Dobbins?

  It's funny, but it's real.

• 1:40:31Sean Fennessey?

  Number seven.

• 1:40:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:34Sean Fennessey?

  This is just great news. Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan, star of Sinners. He did it.

• 1:40:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Just a movie star.

• 1:40:40Sean Fennessey?

  He did.

• 1:40:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Here we are.

• 1:40:40Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, obviously, the Creed movies are huge, and he's beloved for Black Panther and The Wire and less beloved for Without Remorse. But, uh, he killed it.

• 1:40:52Amanda Dobbins?

  That was really bad, yeah.

• 1:40:53Sean Fennessey?

  It was pretty bad, yeah. Very violent. Stefano Solima, director of Sicario: Day of the Soldato. That was his film. Now, he, after the incredible success of Sinners, which really, like, at this point, again, it dropped like 25% last weekend. It's gonna make like $300 million. It's a huge movie. It's so cool. Thomas Crown Affair is his next project. He's directing, and is he writing it? Or maybe he's adapting someone's screenplay?

• 1:41:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I know he's directing, and I know he's starring.

• 1:41:21Sean Fennessey?

  So we haven't really talked about this. I mean, this is one of your favorite movies of all time.

• 1:41:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, the remake.

• 1:41:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the remake.

• 1:41:28Sean Fennessey?

  The original film.

• 1:41:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Thomas Crown Affair, parentheses, 1999.

• 1:41:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:41:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm excited. Listen, art heist, great. Let's just, let's make an art heist every month for the rest of time.

• 1:41:39Sean Fennessey?

  Have they cast the Faye Dunaway, Rene Russo part yet?

• 1:41:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Not that I'm aware of.

• 1:41:45Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. I wonder who that will go to.

• 1:41:47Amanda Dobbins?

  They didn't really have, it, it seems like it's still very much in the works because at CinemaCon, he zoomed in from London, but there was like no footage. There was nothing to show.

• 1:41:56Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:41:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, it says Taylor Russell, apparently.

• 1:41:58Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yes, they, they had announced that. Yeah, she's, she's pretty young.

• 1:42:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:02Sean Fennessey?

  For that. He, of course, is over 35. He's 38 years old. Shout out to him. Number six is Brad Pitt.

• 1:42:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:08Sean Fennessey?

  I would say a lot riding on F1.

• 1:42:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:42:11Sean Fennessey?

  Wouldn't you say?

• 1:42:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I would say a huge amount is riding on F1.

• 1:42:15Sean Fennessey?

  He's obviously legendary movie star. Wolf's not great.

• 1:42:18Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:42:20Sean Fennessey?

  F1 and then Heart of the Beast, which is a dog movie directed by David Ayer.

• 1:42:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:42:25Sean Fennessey?

  Director of The Beekeeper. And then he's making The Continuing Adventures of Cliff Booth. The new film from David Fincher.

• 1:42:31Amanda Dobbins?

  A script by Quentin Tarantino for Netflix.

• 1:42:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:36Amanda Dobbins?

  How are you feeling about that? Where are you, where are your emotions?

• 1:42:39Sean Fennessey?

  Great, put it in my soul.

• 1:42:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, same.

• 1:42:41Sean Fennessey?

  Just bury it deep into my heart.

• 1:42:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:42:43Sean Fennessey?

  Which is where I want it to be.

• 1:42:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:42:45Sean Fennessey?

  Cliff Booth, did you read the?

• 1:42:47Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I didn't. Zach did. I need to.

• 1:42:48Sean Fennessey?

  The novel adaptation?

• 1:42:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I feel, I think you would enjoy it. There's some unkind characterizations of characters in Cliff's life.

• 1:42:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:42:57Sean Fennessey?

  That you may have some notes about.

• 1:42:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Some women?

• 1:43:00Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't say that.

• 1:43:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:43:01Sean Fennessey?

  But I've just learned on this podcast that there's somehow, there's like a patriarchy of some kind?

• 1:43:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Things are not equal. Yeah.

• 1:43:08Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. I'll have to get to work on that.

• 1:43:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:43:10Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, speaking of the patriarchy, number five, who is it?

• 1:43:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Scarlett Johansson.

• 1:43:14Sean Fennessey?

  Up from 15.

• 1:43:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:43:17Sean Fennessey?

  Why is she up?

• 1:43:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Because of, oh, I'm trying to think of the last time we did this. It would have been like right around, right after The Black Widow and then The Disney Suit.

• 1:43:32Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:43:33Amanda Dobbins?

  So things were like in a little bit of what's going on here.

• 1:43:36Sean Fennessey?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:43:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Flux with her and then she was fantastic in Asteroid City. She was in a movie called Fly Me to the Moon, which, you know, whatever. And she, she has a lot of stuff on the horizon that we're counting because she's so established.

• 1:43:55Sean Fennessey?

  So answer me this, do you think if a, an actor or an actress encounters a scandal, ala the Disney pay dispute or the Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni battle, that elevates their movie stardom?

• 1:44:10Sean Fennessey?

  In any way?

• 1:44:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm, no, I think it depends on the interpretation of the, you know, does it play well for them or does it play not?

• 1:44:20Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Does it not? Because that affects, can they get people into theater?

• 1:44:23Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Theaters. And then I think it also affects, do people want to work with them? So do they even get jobs? And, but Scar Jo's in Jurassic World, so she's fine.

• 1:44:36Sean Fennessey?

  Number four.

• 1:44:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, this was, this is all you.

• 1:44:40Sean Fennessey?

  I feel very strongly about this.

• 1:44:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you bombed in with this and I like, I agree, this person's on the list, but.

• 1:44:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Go ahead.

• 1:44:49Sean Fennessey?

  So Emma Stone is number four.

• 1:44:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:51Sean Fennessey?

  Now, obviously, I have a soft spot for Emma Stone, and always have.

• 1:44:55Sean Fennessey?

  Here's my thing.

• 1:44:56Amanda Dobbins?

  She's cool, wonderful, so exciting, really rad. I get it. Like, it is like slightly niche, but that's okay.

• 1:45:03Sean Fennessey?

  Slightly niche?

• 1:45:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:05Sean Fennessey?

  The star of La La Land? Is niche? Two-time Academy Award winner? Is niche? So here's the thing. She hasn't been on one of our lists since 2022. Because in 2023, she wasn't old enough to qualify for 35 over 35, and in 2024, she was too old. So now this is her, her chance to step into the limelight. And since we last listed her, she has got this big thing going with Yorgos Lanthimos.

• 1:45:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:45:35Sean Fennessey?

  She was in The Curse, which is the greatest show of all time. She won her second Academy Award. And now Begonia, another film with Lanthimos, her fourth movie with Yorgos Lanthimos, is coming out this fall.

• 1:45:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I love her. I think she's so rad. She's producing a lot of stuff. Like, it's what she's doing with Yorgos Lanthimos is very cool. I mean, in terms of like movie stardom for movies with Yorgos Lanthimos, even if one of them won you an Oscar, is not like,

• 1:46:04Sean Fennessey?

  Poor thing's made like $100 million.

• 1:46:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so do a lot of movies. So do Garfield.

• 1:46:11Sean Fennessey?

  That guy's on the list, too. John Arbuckle is on the list.

• 1:46:16Amanda Dobbins?

  He's John Arbuckle? I thought he was Garfield.

• 1:46:18Sean Fennessey?

  He's Garfield. I don't know who John Arbuckle is, actually. I think it's CR. Who's number three?

• 1:46:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Denzel Washington.

• 1:46:29Sean Fennessey?

  He's our only septuagenarian on this list. And as the aforementioned highest to lowest is coming soon, he was the best part of Gladiator 2.

• 1:46:38Amanda Dobbins?

  He was.

• 1:46:38Sean Fennessey?

  By a pretty significant margin, in my opinion.

• 1:46:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Too much.

• 1:46:40Sean Fennessey?

  He was the best part of The Equalizer 3.

• 1:46:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:46:44Sean Fennessey?

  Did you see that?

• 1:46:45Amanda Dobbins?

  No. But I mean, it's my understanding that he's the best part of all the Equalizers.

• 1:46:50Sean Fennessey?

  There's some truth to that. Malcolm X, Ben Affleck said the greatest screen performance of all time.

• 1:46:55Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what? I did watch the entire Criterion, Ben Affleck Criterion video. I thought it was very charming, and I agree with him.

• 1:47:02Sean Fennessey?

  When you have, when you see something like that, where the love of your life and cinema collide in that way, do you need a quiet time afterwards to reflect?

• 1:47:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 1:47:11Amanda Dobbins?

  No, because I mostly spent time being like, what's he gonna do with this bag of DVDs? Like, I, because I, he doesn't actually, you know, like, I want to know what's this.

• 1:47:22Sean Fennessey?

  That's what my wife says every third day.

• 1:47:25Amanda Dobbins?

  But I was like, I don't, because I don't think that he is, is a weirdo like you, right?

• 1:47:31Sean Fennessey?

  4Ks, can you please show some goddamn respect? Jesus Christ, then act like in the Temple of Cinema, speaking about the great work.

• 1:47:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, I liked his picks, but like, you know, they were accessible. You know, like, so if he's a collector, he, those aren't things that he has missing from his collection, right?

• 1:47:53Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good question about what is the purpose of the closet.

• 1:47:56Amanda Dobbins?

  So then, he's just, but with his particular picks, I was like, okay, if you actually do have a Blu-ray library, or whatever, then.

• 1:48:06Sean Fennessey?

  Don't, or whatever Blu-ray library, which is a real phrase that exists and is in action.

• 1:48:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I need you to decide on one term, you know, like.

• 1:48:14Sean Fennessey?

  I'll do whatever I want. If you insist that the patriarchy exists, I insist that there are multiple ways to define my collection of physical media.

• 1:48:22Amanda Dobbins?

  If he has a collection of discs, is that, can we call them discs?

• 1:48:29Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:48:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, do that, just like, a DVD is a disc.

• 1:48:33Sean Fennessey?

  Sacred treasures, the pinnacle of a cultural art form, whatever you want to call them.

• 1:48:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so he's got this, if he has a collection, then he already has, like, Armageddon and.

• 1:48:44Sean Fennessey?

  Now, the Armageddon DVD from the Criterion Collection is out of print and extremely rare, and goes for hundreds of dollars on eBay.

• 1:48:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:48:52Sean Fennessey?

  So that may not actually be something he owns.

• 1:48:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, all right, then, I'm, you know, what's another, I can't remember what he picked.

• 1:49:01Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, he picked Jean Renoir's Rules of the Game, I want to say.

• 1:49:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. But he was like, this has my favorite line in all of cinema, so.

• 1:49:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but you think he doesn't, you think he owns it.

• 1:49:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I'm just like, if he doesn't, if he has, if he has a collection, he owns it already. And if he doesn't, then he's just like, got this like sack of discs.

• 1:49:19Sean Fennessey?

  Sometimes you have doubles, you know, sometimes you have doubles in your collection. It's okay to have doubles. He walked out with Malcolm X. Maybe give it to a friend. Maybe he heads over to Jen Garner's house. He's like, hey, you seen Malcolm X?

• 1:49:28Amanda Dobbins?

  See.

• 1:49:28Sean Fennessey?

  Good film? Check it out. Shows to the kids.

• 1:49:30Amanda Dobbins?

  That's why, that's why I'm like, what's happening with the things? And if he's giving them away to people, that's great.

• 1:49:34Sean Fennessey?

  You know, you don't know this, but I give physical media to those I care about, but only if they support physical media.

• 1:49:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I know. You, but you asked me what my reaction is to the video. My reaction is like, what happens to that sack once he leaves?

• 1:49:47Sean Fennessey?

  So proud of Ben. He didn't make the list. Tough beat. Number two is Tom Cruise. He's 62 years old. He's still fighting a good fight.

• 1:49:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:54Sean Fennessey?

  We're seeing the final reckoning in roughly seven days. This is just a huge moment for me in my life, seeing this film.

• 1:50:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm really excited.

• 1:50:04Sean Fennessey?

  In the aftermath of this movie, he's making a movie that is operating under the false title of Judy right now, which is the new Alejandro Iñárritu movie. Not our favorite director, but.

• 1:50:14Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's cool that he's doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm, I'm open to it. I'm excited.

• 1:50:18Sean Fennessey?

  He, last time we did this list, he was number one. He slid down to number two.

• 1:50:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:50:21Sean Fennessey?

  Who did he slide down to number two in favor of?

• 1:50:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Leonardo DiCaprio.

• 1:50:26Sean Fennessey?

  Why did we move him up? You moved him up and I support you, but why?

• 1:50:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Vibes.

• 1:50:31Sean Fennessey?

  Just vibes.

• 1:50:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Just vibes. Just like, I'm just like, he is, you know, he's the only person that could get one battle after another, like made and released the way that it's being released. Every event that he has, every movie that he has is an event. I like, I just looked at pictures of him like cleaning up plastic in Formantara with a bunch of children, you know? Like, I, like, summer doesn't start till I see him doing water sports. So he's just like, he was like at Glenn Powell's catch-up launch. But like not photographed on the step and repeat, just kind of like there in the, in the corner, which is a big look for Glenn, actually.

• 1:51:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I, it's, he just, he has a lot of power and it seems like he is also really focused on just being a movie star. That's what he wants to do.

• 1:51:18Sean Fennessey?

  That's all he does.

• 1:51:19Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 1:51:19Sean Fennessey?

  He does that. He produces documentaries about the destruction of our environment.

• 1:51:23Amanda Dobbins?

  And he goes on vacation.

• 1:51:24Sean Fennessey?

  And he goes to the beach and plays various sports with attractive young women.

• 1:51:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:31Sean Fennessey?

  Not sure anybody's ever done it better. I'm literally not sure that there's ever been a better movie star. You might say, I like watching Cary Grant more.

• 1:51:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:51:38Sean Fennessey?

  Or Humphrey Bogart evolved the idea of movie star. Or, you know, Jack Nicholson, or Meryl Streep, or any number of people over the years. The entirety of his life is focused on the three things that you just identified.

• 1:51:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:51Sean Fennessey?

  And he's smoking it.

• 1:51:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Absolutely. And he's also, he's a bit older than us. He's 50, which is sobering.

• 1:51:59Sean Fennessey?

  For shame, for shame.

• 1:52:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, he's our movie star, you know?

• 1:52:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, he's our number one guy. He's been number one for a long time for elder millennials and younger millennials. But One Battle After Another is a true test.

• 1:52:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I believe.

• 1:52:15Sean Fennessey?

  Give me a box office number right now, worldwide. Just off the top of your head.

• 1:52:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Worldwide, like at the end of the run?

• 1:52:20Sean Fennessey?

  The end of the run. On the day you die, what will be the total box office for One Battle After Another? Not, and no anxiety or shame, just like?

• 1:52:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know, but like.

• 1:52:31Sean Fennessey?

  Like, what do you think it'll be?

• 1:52:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know, but, okay. Tell me what?

• 1:52:39Amanda Dobbins?

  What's the worldwide for Sinners right now? I know it's different.

• 1:52:43Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I think it's like 190 something?

• 1:52:46Speaker 03

  I believe it's up to 230.

• 1:52:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, great, okay, good for them. Okay, so 230 right now, but still going. What was the?

• 1:52:56Sean Fennessey?

  230 is crazy. That's great.

• 1:52:59Amanda Dobbins?

  What was the worldwide for?

• 1:53:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know, I was gonna say 210.

• 1:53:07Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that would be a home run.

• 1:53:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. Oh, I think it can. I think it can. Sinners is at 230, that's what I say. Like, 210 is what popped in my head. I do think Sinners is bigger, but I, like, hearing that.

• 1:53:19Sean Fennessey?

  I hope that's true.

• 1:53:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, it's Leo, it's IMAT, like, it's.

• 1:53:23Sean Fennessey?

  You split my head open.

• 1:53:24Amanda Dobbins?

  We're doing an event thing. I don't know, you said to say a number, and that's what popped into my head.

• 1:53:27Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not judging you, I'm just surprised.

• 1:53:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I believe in this movie. I think it's got it.

• 1:53:34Sean Fennessey?

  Um, yeah.

• 1:53:38Sean Fennessey?

  In total, in total.

• 1:53:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:53:41Sean Fennessey?

  Worldwide box office for Paul Thomas Anderson's films is 317 million.

• 1:53:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but.

• 1:53:47Sean Fennessey?

  In total. He's making movies since 1997.

• 1:53:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I loved Licorice Pizza, but like, that's not a bunch of people shooting guns at each other in widescreen, you know?

• 1:54:01Sean Fennessey?

  You're right.

• 1:54:03Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we're gonna test the power of Leo. In the meantime, let's test the power of Nicolas Cage. Let's go to my conversation with him right now.

• 1:54:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's an honor to be joined by Nicolas Cage. We're here to talk about The Surfer. Nicolas, at this stage of your career, it's more than 100 films in. I'm curious if you could just walk me through how you decide to take a part. What has to draw you into a script?

• 1:54:26Speaker 06

  More and more, as I proceed down this road in cinema, I think I need to have a sense of life experience and memory and a sense of that which is personal,

• 1:54:46Speaker 06

  where I feel I can portray the character and the narrative, the story authentically.

• 1:54:55Speaker 06

  And it's the kind of thing where I want to feel less and less that I have to act. Of course, it's acting, but I want to be able to get to a place where I feel it's coming from some truth that I know how to play, or this person, I know how to tell this story. I think that is the main requirement. And then after that,

• 1:55:22Speaker 06

  it goes into many different directions. One direction is, oh, this movie is a movie that I'm gonna be maybe working on it for two days, and it's probably ultimately not gonna be a great movie, but maybe I can play with performance and experiment and try something fun and maybe realize a kind of.

• 1:55:49Speaker 06

  Oddball fantasy that you can create with film performance. So I look at movies like Never on Tuesday or or Deadfall, or movies where I'm just going really whacked out trying to find a sound. It's not always a good sound, but it's a sound that I'm going for. I I do that as well. And then most importantly, along with the script and the story itself is, do I have a relationship with the filmmaker that I think they can find something unique or bring out something new? I mean, the most important thing I feel after doing it for over 45 years, and I started when I was 15, is how do you stay interested?

• 1:56:34Speaker 06

  You you don't want to ever lose interest because if you lose interest, then I I feel like film enthusiasts, people that I make movies for, will lose interest. So I want to keep that spark alive.

• 1:56:50Sean Fennessey?

  You have this incredible knack for desperate and disoriented characters. And I was wondering if you go looking for those characters or you feel like people are coming to you because you have an ability to capture that feeling?

• 1:57:02Speaker 06

  Well, that's a great question. And and I think the way to answer it is, I want to tell stories that I think I I might want to write. And with The Surfer, I read the script and I immediately thought, well, this is the kind of story I aspire to write. I like narratives that are enigmatic, that kind of go in in nonlinear directions. It's no secret that I like surrealist presentations. I like dream logic. I like that which is almost psychedelic, which this movie certainly has those feelings. And I think it's it goes both ways. I think people have come to know that that's an interest of mine.

• 1:57:46Speaker 06

  And I also think it's something that I've been blessed to to to find and have an interest in and to look for because it it genuinely fascinates me.

• 1:58:01Sean Fennessey?

  The surfer fits really nicely into this lineage of "ozploitation." Did you and Lorcan talk about "Wake and Fright," or "Patrick," or these movies from the 70s and 80s in Australia that are crazy in this vein?

• 1:58:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, they both Lauren, the writer, and Lorcan brought it up to me. Now, I had never seen "Wake and Fright." It was totally new to me. And I checked it out, and I saw what they were looking for, but I do think I do think they're somewhat different experiences. I was mostly affected by the movies of Peter Weir and "The Last Wave," "The Picnic at Hanging Rock,"

• 1:58:50Speaker 06

  and Nick Rogen, "Walkabout." These are movies that had a huge impact on me because I saw them as a child. That was in the 70s, and I was, what, 10, 11, 12? And my dad would take me to see these movies in the cinema, and they really wowed me and kind of especially "Walkabout" kind of broke my heart. You know, that movie really tore my heart out. Because any time you have a love story and it's unrequited, it's tragic. It just always pulls my heartstrings. That movie did. So I do have regard and reverence for Australian cinema.

• 1:59:32Speaker 06

  I don't know about the word "ozploitation." I see it just, this is a part of the world that has generated some of the best movies, and certainly with great style, and to that, I applaud.

• 1:59:49Sean Fennessey?

  I know the John Cheever story, "The Swimmer," and the film with Lancaster was also a reference point for you guys. That movie is so interesting, and you know where Lancaster was at that time in his career is not so different, maybe from where you are in your career. Did you look at that movie before this? What did it mean to you?

• 2:00:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, I think, I think of all the references, that was probably the strongest one for me. And not only the movie and Lancaster's performance. And there are moments in this movie where I'm talking about, I'm gonna buy that house right there on that bluff. And I'm even hearing Lancaster's voice in my mind as I'm saying it. And Lorkan and I were very specific about that in that one moment by the car. But also the short story. Cheever, to me, is one of America's great writers. And I think that that, the, the, the short story is arguably more powerful than, than the movie. The movie is very similar, I think, more so than Wake and Fright

• 2:00:51Speaker 06

  in terms of the character's trajectory, in terms of what, what he's trying to achieve, that he's trying to get back some semblance of his former life. And of course, the swimmer ends tragically with him pounding on the door in the rain. And it's, no one's opening the door and all the furniture is gone. I mean, that, this is really a, for me, it's a, a story of a man who's trying to reclaim both a memory of his childhood and, and get back, like that, that, that Beatles song, get back to where he once belonged. And he doesn't belong.

• 2:01:32Sean Fennessey?

  From an acting perspective, I've always wondered, when you are making a really bold choice as a performer, and you talked about when you make, choose a part, is there something new you can try to pursue? Are you telling the filmmaker or the scene partners beforehand, hey, I want to try something, or I'm gonna go big here? Or, or are you surprising them in that space?

• 2:01:54Speaker 06

  No, I, I try to be a collaborator and go through the notes with them as much as possible, whether it be with rehearsal. You know, when Julian came on, we had that massive scene in the car park where he's eating the hamburger. That was his first day, and that was like a six-page scene. And we both ran it and ran it and ran it and got in step with what each of us wanted to bring with Lorkan. And I, I try to let them know, like, if I'm gonna surprise you and myself. This is where I'm gonna do it. So it's like music. We've got eight bars here and in these eight bars, I'm just gonna let it rip. And we may use it, we may not use it, but let's uh,

• 2:02:39Speaker 06

  let's shoot it. And so like that was that whole riffing scene with the, he had that, he had a camera mounted on my shoulders with a cock of fisheye lens. And I'm saying things like, oh, we're gonna have Clams Casino and spaghetti prutanesca. And all that was just bubba bubba bubba bubba bubba coming out. Um, the only time that I think I maybe surprised them a little bit, Lorcan, that is, is I, I, I got attached to the prop rat. And I used, it was such a good prop, and it was a good looking prop. It looked real. Um, and I thought I could, I could save this and put it somewhere. Plus, I like the idea

• 2:03:23Speaker 06

  of the, of the rat's tail hanging out of the surfer's pocket, wiggling around as I'm walking around. So I thought that was funny. But also, I was thinking about Billy Wilder and, and his movie Sabrina where Bogart says, eat it. And he puts an olive, and I think in his, the actors playing his uncle's mouth. And I couldn't stop laughing when I watched that. So I explained that to Lorcan. I said, I know this sounds crazy. I know it sounds wild. But this is like the punk rock version of Billy Wilder's movie Sabrina where he says, eat it with chocolate. And so I, I, I knew I was gonna go in that direction. I just didn't know where or when. And it turned out it, it worked well with the, the pit bull

• 2:04:08Speaker 06

  character in the, in the ocean.

• 2:04:11Sean Fennessey?

  I wanted to ask you about persona, on screen persona. The last five or so years of parts feel like they've been in conversation with other parts of your career, like Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent, obviously, taking on Dracula after Vampire's Kiss, Spider-Man Noir. And even this film feels like there's some wild at heart in it. You know, there's some, there's some past in the present. How much of a self-awareness, a consciousness are you having in terms of creating a lineage and a connectivity between the characters? Or even what you're doing on screen when you're taking parts at this point?

• 2:04:45Speaker 06

  I would say that it's, it's, it's not entirely present on my mind as these things are unfolding. I think it's just a natural evolution of things by way of kind of osmosis that, particularly with a younger filmmaker who may have grown up watching some of my movies, they get an idea of what they can do with me as their instrument, let's say. They have memories of earlier movies and they find, more often than not, I feel,

• 2:05:23Speaker 06

  excellent ways of deploying that. And so they, that's, harkens back to one of your earlier questions. I think that's also what's happening when they bring me these scripts or different materials. I don't feel that as much with older filmmakers. I, I think this is a symptomatic of the fact that I've actively sought out younger filmmakers, because I knew I was gonna get a pulse from them. I knew I was gonna get a heartbeat. Whereas the older guys, not all of them, but many of them have kind of already made up their minds about me, or I've been there, done that, seen that. But these younger filmmakers, I think they wanna find a way of reintroducing

• 2:06:05Speaker 06

  what they may have seen in A Wild at Heart, or an adaptation like with Christopher Bourgway. He saw that movie, he thought that style of film performance would work so well with Dream Scenario. And I think Lorcan, he's a, he's a filmmaker, in my view, what makes him singular is, is, one, he's not afraid of a nonlinear narrative, an enigmatic and dreamlike narrative. That's big. But two, his sense of humor. This is a guy who has a really fast sense of humor. Like when I did the scene with the telephone and the, and the cord is dangling,

• 2:06:47Speaker 06

  I, I need my telephone prop, and I'm like, where's the, where's the, I need the, I need the telephone. And Lorcan would go fine and go, "It's for you." I couldn't stop laughing because the speed of his humor and that's in his movies as well. So he's got this special mix of surrealism and comedy that I find so delicious. And he's one of those guys, like Christopher Borghley is one of those guys. And I think those two mostly. Another director in the older guard would be Werner Herzog, and he certainly has that as well. You know, he's not afraid to have a nonlinear narrative and also find the humor in dark situations.

• 2:07:32Sean Fennessey?

  I'm glad you brought up Dream Scenario. I was at that screening at the Arrow where they showed the film and you were hailed as a god at the end of that screening. I mean, that was a fascinating moment. You were wearing the leather jacket and everybody loved the movie. It was really a lot of fun, but it did have me thinking about your career in context. So to hear you talk about Chris and Lorcan, and I know you said you saw Vivarium and you dug that. Like, are you scouting young filmmakers or people putting names in front of you? How does that work at this stage?

• 2:08:01Speaker 06

  Well, what happens is I get a script and I respond to the script and I say, can I look at the filmmaker's work? And Vivarium was a movie I had, I actually went and saw it in the cinema. But I, I review and then I get an idea of what is possible with the filmmaker's vision. And then I match it to the script and I re-descript visualizing what I think this filmmaker can do. And then also I think about where I could go with the, with the character and fit into this filmmaker's vision. And no more evident was that process than with Face Off.

• 2:08:43Speaker 06

  Because John and I, John Woo and I, he wasn't someone who, at the time anyway, was speaking a lot of English. And I didn't really fully understand, I knew his classics like Hard Boiled and The Killer. But he wanted me to see specifically Bullet in the Head. And I watched that movie and I knew when I saw that movie.

• 2:09:13Speaker 06

  The opera and the magnitude of where the actors could go. I knew what he would, where he would allow me to go in terms of the scope of the performance and the music of the performance. So that was a very helpful experience.

• 2:09:29Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think being a movie fanatic makes you a better actor?

• 2:09:32Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 2:09:33Sean Fennessey?

  Is there any part of it that is bad? Like, can you see something and it, no, you can't get to where another performer is going or make yourself self-conscious?

• 2:09:42Speaker 06

  I mean, the only time that ever really crossed my mind is when I'm looking at someone who is astounding at doing absolutely zero, nothing. I'm like, why can't I? Okay, you have Bruce Lee over here in Enter the Dragon. He's moving everywhere and that's compelling and fantastic to watch. But what's equally compelling is Charles Bronson in Once Upon a Time in the West. When the camera is in on his face, he's about to have the shootout with Henry Fonda. And I don't know why I can't, I'm riveted equally to that. And he's not doing anything. And I'm like, what, what is that? How is he doing that? Is it the shape of his face?

• 2:10:25Speaker 06

  Is it, is it the fact that he's a Purple Heart? He don't give a shit that Henry Fonda is starring, who played Abraham Lincoln in the movie Excellent, because he's a Purple Heart and it's, it's eyes. And it's like, well, you can't act that. You just are that. And I'm not going to be that. So you can try, you can try, but it will never quite get there. Any more than I'm going to be able to do a backflip and, and in the scene with Enter the Dragon, you know, it's, those are, those are extremes examples. But in between, I can do a lot of, try and bring a lot of my own stuff. And to answer your question, I think that it's all good to be a film enthusiast is the best

• 2:11:10Speaker 06

  teacher next to life, adjacent to life experiences, watching movies and studying. I didn't have a lot of training. I mean, I just, I went to a summer stock at ACT in, in, in San Francisco, and I did maybe six months at the Loth Studios in Hollywood. I learned by, by, by practicing on camera. And, you know, and all that that means and by watching movies.

• 2:11:36Sean Fennessey?

  I've been meaning to ask you, since you've had this huge revival, especially in the last 10 years, is there a film of yours at any point in your career that you feel like maybe hasn't gotten that kind of love or appreciation or revival that people should take a look at?

• 2:11:50Speaker 06

  I think that Mastic Man, Ridley Scott, Alison Lohman, Sam Rockwell, I think that movie was great. I think that was a, I mean, I had a choice. I could either be in Mystic River and play Robin's part and Clint was directing and that was a great project, or I could work with Ridley on Mastic Man. And at the time, that was the choice that I wanted to make because I really cared about that character and I cared about his afflictions. I had a personal relationship with it and that was the story I want to tell. And I think that Ridley, I mean, that movie to me is

• 2:12:32Speaker 06

  one of his best movies and I would like to have that movie maybe be reviewed a little more often than not.

• 2:12:39Sean Fennessey?

  That's one of my favorites. I love that pick. Nicholas, we end every episode of this show by asking filmmakers, what's the last great thing they have seen? Since you are such a film watcher, have you seen anything that you've loved lately?

• 2:12:52Speaker 06

  The last great, great movie I have seen, and I'm sure there's something that would come to mind.

• 2:13:02Sean Fennessey?

  Could be old or new.

• 2:13:04Speaker 06

  As I said, I like to try to approach things from a personal place as much as possible. And I saw a great Japanese filmmaker's movie, like Father Like Son, Corrietta. And the actor, the actors in it, Lily Frankie and

• 2:13:28Speaker 06

  Masu Fara Fukuyama, who's actually a singer, but he's a hell of an actor. Machiko Ono and Yoko Maki. Man, that movie is some of the best acting I have ever seen about a very painful heartfelt situation where children are swapped at a hospital and then the biological parents want their child back and the other ones want their child and it's just, it just tears your heart out. And to me, that's, that's as good as it gets. If you can move people to that level with a movie, with, with, with, with the experience of watching a movie where

• 2:14:08Speaker 06

  it just tears your heart out. That's, that's why I got into cinema because of James Dean East of Eden. Well, he did it. Corieta did it with like father, like son. And I think I will never stop singing the praises of the effect that that film had on me.

• 2:14:24Sean Fennessey?

  It's a fabulous recommendation. Nicolas Cage, thank you for what you do. You're the best.

• 2:14:28Speaker 06

  Thanks so much. Be well.

• 2:14:35Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you to Nicolas Cage. Amanda, thanks. How do you feel about this exercise that we've done today on the pod?

• 2:14:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I feel good about it.

• 2:14:43Sean Fennessey?

  We did it again?

• 2:14:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we did it again. We smashed it.

• 2:14:46Sean Fennessey?

  Eight straight years of award-winning podcasts. Thank you for all the awards we've

• 2:14:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm really excited for everyone because, you know, this brings fame and fortune to everyone that we bestow this honor upon.

• 2:14:56Sean Fennessey?

  They're so lucky.

• 2:14:56Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it's like

• 2:14:57Sean Fennessey?

  They are so lucky.

• 2:14:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Then we'll be seeing everyone at the 35 over 35 gala later this week.

• 2:15:01Sean Fennessey?

  It's really exciting. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Later this week, Amanda indicated that we are finally, finally, finally building the Paul Newman Hall of Fame. We've been working honestly tirelessly to plow through his filmography. I'm just not going to get through every single film, but I'm going to get pretty close.

• 2:15:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm doing my best.

• 2:15:19Sean Fennessey?

  I'm going to get pretty darned close to seeing every movie he's ever made. There are quite a few. We'll see you then.

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