Jason Pierre-Paul: 2x SB champion talks July 4th blow up, costing him his fingers & almost football, past mistakes, family & playing in NFL again.

FOLLOW THE PIVOT PODCAST: MERCH | https://pivotpodcast.com YOUTUBE | https://www.youtube.com/thepivotpodcast INSTAGRAM | https://instagram.com/thepivot TWITTER | https://twitter.com/thepivot TIKTOK | https://tiktok.com/@thepivot FACEBOOK | https://www.facebook.com/thepivotpodcast FOLLOW HAPPY DAD: https://www.instagram.com/happydad FIND HAPPY DAD: https://www.happydad.com/find The 2x Super Bowl Champion has been battled tested on and off the football field and developed a sense of gratitude for life as he continues on his path to pursuit greatness and always giving back. The All Pro Defensive End earned a reputation of grit and physicality early in his NFL career, coming off the edge as a key member of the Giants defense defeating Tom Brady in the 2012 Super Bowl. After a July 4th fireworks accident happened where JPP lost two fingers from explosives blowing up in his hand, so much of his life came into a clearer focus as the All Pro fought to find his way back on a football field. Learning how to manage simple tasks like tying his shoes and writing, JPP developed a mentality of making the most of every situation and being grateful for life. Looking up to his father for inspiration and motivation to work through the adversity, JPP shares how his father being blind and never complaining kept him grounded during the hard times and showed him that no matter what life puts in front of you, there’s always a way forward. Earning his way back on the field, JPP worked towards another Super Bowl win, this time with Tom Brady as his quarterback and led a young defensive core to get his second ring. A few sacks shy of 100 total in his career, JPP is looking to call another NFL team home this season and sees how much the game has changed, how much tackling has changed and wants to be the veteran voice in a young organization. Going back to his younger years of college and leading a life where trouble always seemed close by, JPP opens up on how those days shaped him into the man he is today while teaching him tough lessons that only made him stronger along the way. The Pivot Podcast releases premiere episodes every Tuesday with audio available at 9aest and streaming on YouTube at 12pest. Fridays are special drops during football season at 3:30pest. Gambling Problem? Call1-800-GAMBLER (1-800-426-2537) (CO/IL/IN/LA/MD/MI/NJ/OH/PA/TN/WV/WY), (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA), Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. Call 1-800-NEXT STEP (AZ), 1-800-522-4700 (KS/NH), 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), 1-800-BETS OFF (IA), visit OPGR.org (OR) or www.1800gambler.net (WV). 21+ (18+ NH/WY). Physically present in AZ/CO/CT/IL/IN/IA/KS/LA(select parishes)/MA/MI/MD/NJ/NY/OH/PA/TN/VA/WV/WY only. Void in NH/OR/ONT. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS). Valid 1 per new customer. Min. $5 deposit. Min. $5 bet. $200 issued as bonus bets that expire 7 days (168 hours) after being awarded. Bonus bets must be wagered 1x and stake is not included in any winnings. Ends 9/18/23 at 11:59PM ET. Sponsored by DK. See terms at dkng.co/ftball. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:30Channing Crowder?

  Oh, he just walked in. My man, what up, baby? What's up? Chill, brother. What's going on? Chillin', chillin'. Yes, sir.

• 0:37Ryan Clark?

  Hey, dude, long as hell, man. Yeah. Check, can you backflip? You think I could backflip at 40 years old? How could you ever backflip? Oh, yeah, I was a little athletic motherfucker, man. When you started backflipping? Shit, about 10, 11. Could you, Fred?

• 0:49Fred Taylor?

  Nah, I was garbage.

• 0:51Ryan Clark?

  I tried, and it broke my neck.

• 0:54Fred Taylor?

  I ended up in the hospital doing it.

• 0:55Ryan Clark?

  Even off the park, bitch? You couldn't backflip off the park, bitch? I could, like, he could backflip off the ground. Like, I couldn't do that. Like, we had a homeboy, we called him Kill Switch. Yeah. Kill Switch, just take all running.

• 1:08Ryan Clark?

  You know what I mean? It was all, it was all hood gymnastics. Kill Switch?

• 1:12Fred Taylor?

  They're kidding me. Crazy part. You ever have, like, the mattresses in the dump?

• 1:18Ryan Clark?

  Like trapeleines?

• 1:19Fred Taylor?

  The mattress next to the dump. So I got on the mattress, tried to do the backflip. I flipped my ass off the mattress into the trash pile. Something stuck in my back and was infected. Swallowed up my back, was fucked up for like two weeks.

• 1:33Ryan Clark?

  Really?

• 1:34Fred Taylor?

  I had to drain some shit out of there. I was never tried to do it again.

• 1:37Ryan Clark?

  Damn, I thought everybody could flip.

• 1:39Speaker 05

  I started flipping in my teenage years.

• 1:42Ryan Clark?

  Teenage years?

• 1:43Speaker 05

  A dude named James Green, still, me and him still cool to this day.

• 1:47Ryan Clark?

  Really?

• 1:47Speaker 05

  We had a ditch. And then the ditch was filled up with water, but...

• 1:52Fred Taylor?

  It goes down like a slope. And he said, "Just go backwards and, you know what I mean? Let it carry you." And that's how I learned. And then, once I learned from there, we started flipping on concrete.

• 2:03Ryan Clark?

  I used to be so scared. Because the first time, you know how you start? Like, I started where they put your hand in your, like, your foot, your homeboy.

• 2:10Fred Taylor?

  And toss you up.

• 2:10Ryan Clark?

  And they toss, I was like, "Okay, I got it, I got it." Homeboy Eric, Eric used to be killing. I was like, "I got it." Bam! "All right, coach, I'm good."

• 2:19Channing Crowder?

  In the South, everybody, if you couldn't flip, you couldn't even play no sports. You weren't allowed on the team if you were, if you was fat, you ain't had to flip. But if you was thin, you had to be able to flip, they didn't even respect you.

• 2:29Fred Taylor?

  Nah, they ain't care all the ways about that.

• 2:31Channing Crowder?

  Fred, you from, Fred, you the only [BLEEP] from Belgrade can't flip.

• 2:34Fred Taylor?

  Probably. That's probably true.

• 2:35Channing Crowder?

  Come on now.

• 2:36Fred Taylor?

  That's probably true.

• 2:37Channing Crowder?

  Listen to your story in the trash pile. Y'all used to play in the mother [BLEEP] dump.

• 2:42Fred Taylor?

  Something about my big ass head, right? I couldn't get the right momentum. I was scared to throw myself back and I just couldn't get. I can do the front flip.

• 2:49Ryan Clark?

  Y'all played.

• 2:50Fred Taylor?

  I was a front flip demon off the high board. That's harder than bad flipping, though. But like, off the diving board and stuff? I can do that.

• 2:56Ryan Clark?

  The joint Chris Brown can do is crazy, though.

• 2:59Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 2:59Ryan Clark?

  Running forward and backflip?

• 3:01Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah. What Chris Brown weigh? About 107?

• 3:05Ryan Clark?

  Nah, Chris Brown, almost your height.

• 3:06Channing Crowder?

  But he thin.

• 3:08Fred Taylor?

  Nah, he a big dude.

• 3:09Ryan Clark?

  He ain't little, man.

• 3:09Fred Taylor?

  And he's tall, too, so. He's athletic, yeah.

• 3:12Ryan Clark?

  My bad. I always forget when other Super Bowl champions sit down with us. And I'm talking about, like, the things that happen when you win Super Bowls and all that. That you guys never been to one. And so, y'all don't really know what we talking about.

• 3:26Fred Taylor?

  That's true.

• 3:27Ryan Clark?

  And it's been a while since we talked about that, man.

• 3:29Fred Taylor?

  That is, that is true. We was training at Bummerito's. And they would always talk about, "Man, we got this kid out of USF. That's a dog." So he pull up, and I'm looking at him, he just naturally raw, pause, right? And, uh, like, he training, and you could see the athleticism and the hard work. I'm like, "Damn, USF? Why ain't, you know what I'm saying? Why ain't..." Then he get in the league and terrorize everything. I remember that. They adore it. I ain't know nothing about no football.

• 3:58Ryan Clark?

  They talking about, they talking Florida stuff. No, USF.

• 4:01Fred Taylor?

  USF.

• 4:01Ryan Clark?

  Couple of weeks ago, they almost beat Bama. Yeah, that's because Nick was trying some old bull dookie though.

• 4:07Fred Taylor?

  Nah, I don't know.

• 4:08Ryan Clark?

  No, Nick knew that the, that Milrow should have been starting and he played them other two boys. And USF was hitting them in the mouth on defense.

• 4:16Fred Taylor?

  They was hitting them.

• 4:16Ryan Clark?

  It was. And he got what he deserved because he do good and dang well that boy. I wanted y'all to beat them. Mm-hmm. I want, I, I did. And now I'm mad, Chan, so you start the show because Nick was out there foul, your coach.

• 4:28Channing Crowder?

  Oh, my man, I, I fooled Nick same. Nick same been drafting me. Nick same been made me rich.

• 4:33Fred Taylor?

  What's up?

• 4:34Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, first, now, every time we come to Miami, y'all, you know, we in condos and we in penthouses. But today, my man Victor DeMesmon of the DeMesmon and Dover empire. He let us use the facilities right here and man, they doing things down here big time. Right now, the building we in, bro.

• 4:51Channing Crowder?

  DeMesmon, Victor DeMesmon, Jeremy Dover, DeMesmon and Dover. The first floor is the law office. They both attorneys. The third floor is White Cloud Media, which is, they, they represent me. I am a client. I am a representative of White Cloud and.

• 5:03Ryan Clark?

  Unfortunate for them.

• 5:04Channing Crowder?

  We're on the fourth floor and it's All-In Media Group. All-In Management Group, sorry. And that is their sports agency and right now, man, Vic, Vic's a friend of mine. He's down here, three years down in South Florida. He's making big waves right now, man. So just, just big ups to him and we appreciate you, Vic. We appreciate you, Jeremy, for letting us use y'all facilities, man. But yeah, they doing big things in South Florida.

• 5:24Fred Taylor?

  White Cloud, right? White Cloud Media?

• 5:26Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 5:26Fred Taylor?

  They ain't say nothing about those white pants and your dirty drawers. Like, how does that work?

• 5:31Channing Crowder?

  What happens? I change my drawers when I wear white pants.

• 5:34Fred Taylor?

  You don't flip them.

• 5:35Channing Crowder?

  What's that? No, I don't flip them. I change them and then I don't eat no, uh, I don't eat a lot the day before. So I don't gotta go to the bathroom.

• 5:44Ryan Clark?

  Anyway, if he, it is, whatever.

• 6:12Ryan Clark?

  JPP, man, welcome to the show.

• 6:13Speaker 05

  Appreciate it.

• 6:14Ryan Clark?

  Excited to have you. Freddie T, Chan, I'm RC. This is The Pivot. Jason, I kinda just wanna get right to it, bro. Manny Martin walked past a skinny kid on the basketball court. Who thought he was a hooper, at least at the time. Hey, man, you should come play football.

• 6:31Speaker 05

  Coach Minnis.

• 6:32Ryan Clark?

  Coach Minnis.

• 6:33Speaker 05

  Coach Minnis.

• 6:33Ryan Clark?

  Got you.

• 6:34Speaker 05

  Was the head coach there. Manny Martin was his assistant, D coordinator. That was dope. But Manny Martin had more to do with me than Coach Minnis. Coach Minnis was the head coach, and he the one that dragged me to the football field.

• 6:49Ryan Clark?

  Who was the coach of the geometry class?

• 6:50Speaker 05

  Coach Martin.

• 6:51Ryan Clark?

  Coach Martin.

• 6:52Speaker 05

  He had me in his class after I got on the football team.

• 6:55Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, so when, you know, you think you, you think you, okay, you are a basketball player, and, you know, you're taller, athletic, rangy. What was it about football, though, that finally drew you to it, to get you on the field and start your career?

• 7:12Speaker 05

  Like you say, I was a basketball player. I love basketball. I remember me watching in the stands, and, you know, I seen the guys hit. And I was like, ooh, they hitting too hard. That ain't my sport. But then, once they dragged me out there, and they told me, yo, get the quarterback. And they told me, they explained to me what do I need, what I need to do. Just run around the office of linemen. And that's when Big Mike, who was one of the star key players there, I got around him. He played two-way, both sides of the ball. I got around him, and at that point, they was like, how did you get in this gap? You know, I just say, I just pushed and pulled.

• 7:53Speaker 05

  I had this one move, just a push-pull, and it worked to my advantage. You know, nobody could stop it. And then that's how I became part of the game. I loved the game. And that was basically it for me. It was that push-pull move, and then they started explaining to me how to, you know, organize football work, and I started to pick it up. And that's how I became a fan of the game.

• 8:14Ryan Clark?

  You say you wanna go back, go back further than that. Like, you know, you look into it, your upbringing, you know, of Haitian descent.

• 8:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, my mom and dad.

• 8:20Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, Haitian descent. Ain't much football play there.

• 8:23Speaker 05

  They didn't care about too much about football. You know what I mean?

• 8:25Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 8:26Speaker 05

  Now they do though. They'll tell me, you know what I mean, what I'm doing wrong. You know, on the football field, you know, how the other players doing wrong, but they ain't know a lot of dang thing of football.

• 8:37Channing Crowder?

  What was your upbringing like? You were dying in Florida?

• 8:39Speaker 05

  So basically, you know, my dad been blind since I was born. You know what I mean? He actually went blind since I was born. That's thirty-four years, I'm thirty-four years old. So thirty-four years that he haven't even seen me. Uh, my mom, she had to stop everything she was doing, you know what I mean? Being a housewife and had to go in, find a job and like, you know, a nurse, a nursery home job to feed the family. So she was barely home and stuff, so. Basically, it was just me, my brother, my sister at the time, just going to school and my dad stayed home. Even though he's blind and stuff, you know, blind people can do a lot, you know what I'm saying? So he was cooking, cleaning the house, you know what I mean? Stuff that he normally do that people won't, won't even notice, you know what I'm saying? Cause they think, once you blind, you just blind, you lose all your senses.

• 9:24Speaker 05

  But in reality, he taught me a lot to this day, you know what I'm saying? So is my mother, so. It was hard, but at the end of the day, like, you know, we ain't make no excuses. It's, you know, God give you what he give you and you gotta take it and roll with it, you know what I'm saying?

• 9:39Fred Taylor?

  What were some of the family traditions or cultural values that you've taken with you throughout your career? You know, in your journey to the NFL and everything you've done in life?

• 9:49Speaker 05

  Me coming up, I never see my mom and dad actually complain at once, you know what I'm saying? They always do, do, do, so, you know, I always do, do, do as well. So I took that and ran with it, you know? No matter how situations is going, I just, I just do, you know? And that's what my mom and dad did. And, um, I say this, that, you know, with my, with my father, you know, just seeing him and how the way he handled things made it totally different for me. You know, y'all know my situation that happened with Fourth of July. So it totally switched from me seeing what he was doing and seeing how he handled things. And it made me realize that, you know what?

• 10:34Speaker 05

  Life ain't that bad because, you know, anything that happened to you in a given moment, you could, you could just, you could adjust to it. And then, so it basically made me adjust to life. You know what I mean? Adjust to the real world because no matter what, in life, things always gonna keep going, no matter what. You know what I mean? I realized that, you know, nine years ago. You know what I'm saying? So.

• 10:57Fred Taylor?

  So with your father, you know, having, having had the opportunity to ever see you play.

• 11:02Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:02Fred Taylor?

  You know, you've seen the challenges that he had gone through. Um, but you also have a, I guess, a don't quit, you know, mindset.

• 11:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 11:11Fred Taylor?

  July 4th, 2015.

• 11:13Speaker 05

  Sister's birthday.

• 11:14Fred Taylor?

  Right. 2015, when the accident happened. Uh, detonated a firework and the hand injury happened. What was, what's the first thing that crossed your mind?

• 11:23Speaker 05

  Shit. I was with my whole family. Not my whole family, but the people I surround myself with, good people. And this something that, you know, I did, you know, since a teenager. You know what I mean? Gather the hood, gather the kids around, you know, food, drinks, whatever, and just have a great time. And then, like, like I said, it was my sister's birthday 4th of July. You know what I'm saying? So we having a good time and next thing you know, it was like the end of the night, you know, like I said before in a couple of my interviews and next thing you know, it was a couple of fireworks left. I was like, man, you know, I'm done, tired. And then I say, you know what? There was like, "Like some more?", you know?

• 12:08Speaker 05

  And I lit the la- like, maybe like, I say, it was like four more left and I lit the last of the four more. And then that's saying, you know, boom. At that point, it was like, you know, I don't even supposed to be sitting here right now with y'all boys. You know what I'm saying? At this point, I don't even supposed to be sitting here. So at that point, the firework was up to my face. It felt like the wind, every time I tried to light it up, the wind was blowing it out. So I got down to like my waist side, you know? And then that's when I was like, I'm gonna get this to light up, you know? And, you know, spark the match and that's saying, you know, the lighter. And it stayed on for a little bit and I, whatever it is, a stem, the green stem, it was about this long. The green stem about this long.

• 12:53Speaker 05

  And then that's saying, you know? I touched it and it just blew up right in there. So from right there, you know, thank God, it could have went totally different from how it went. Cause you got kids around, you got my little sister around, but she was in the house at the time. You know, you got my son, mother, who I was with at the time. Everybody just around, so at that point, it was just a, I remember like, it was just a big green light. You know what I'm saying? Like, you couldn't see nothing. So basically, you know how, uh, what I'm saying they use in, um, in the army where they throw them?

• 13:25Ryan Clark?

  Flash bombs.

• 13:26Speaker 05

  There you go. So it looked just like that. So I had to make sure everything, soon the explosion happened, I jumped away from the explosion. So I jumped on the ground and I said, you know, I waited for the green light to go. Once the green light came back, it disappeared and I started to see my vision back. You got my son, mother just screaming, going crazy. And then I said, you know, I'm like, yo, what the F is your problem? Like, you know? Like you said, what was going through my mind? And he said, your hand, your hand. So I looked at my hand. And the only thing I said was, oh shit, I gotta get to the hospital. You know what I mean? Not knowing that, you know what I'm saying? Yo, my, my fingers, everything was still intact at the time.

• 14:08Speaker 05

  It just, you could see the flesh, the bones, everything. So I'm still thinking normal. So I'm about to get in the car and drive to the hospital. So I'm opening the door with my right hand, cause I'm right-handed. Opening the door with my right hand, putting blood out. Then my friend just said, nah, I dropped. The hospital like fifteen, ten minutes away. We got there in five minutes. Five minutes, yo. No bra hospital. And I remember to this day, one of my friends, I'm in the league already. So one of my friends, who I went to school with, uh, saw me, you know, and then tweeted it out. You know what I'm saying? That's when Twitter was big. Tweeted it out and then that's, you know, it just went all over the internet.

• 14:48Speaker 05

  And then, uh, he asked me what's wrong, the, and I was like, man, my hand, cause I had it wrapped up. So that's, you know? I just say, you know, in order for me to get in the bedroom, I'm gonna have to do something crazy. You know, so I just started splashing the blood everywhere. And then they took me in the bedroom and I remember I told them, look, no matter what, don't cut off my hand. You know, give me the option. You know, and then I passed out from there.

• 15:12Ryan Clark?

  Wow. For you, having watched your father.

• 15:17Ryan Clark?

  Still be able to maintain a lifestyle, still be able to contribute to your family, to your home, even though he had been blind your entire life, that has to teach you something. It tells you no shortcuts in life.

• 15:29Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 15:30Ryan Clark?

  And it allows you to recognize when other people take them. For you, when we get hurt, man, or when there's something with us, it is our careers that are involved. You know, at this point, man, you five years deep.

• 15:42Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:42Ryan Clark?

  You know, you're a Super Bowl champion, you're a Pro Bowler, All-Pro, you have all of these things going for you, and you know Fred asked what you were thinking, and then you, you're like, you know, well, here's what I'm thinking, I'm trying to get this done, I'm trying to get that done. Once you realize you're gonna lose fingers, or you have lost fingers,

• 15:59Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:00Ryan Clark?

  What was going through your mind to say, I could still come back and be the JPP that was always making the plays that he did before this accident?

• 16:10Speaker 05

  You know, to be honest, football wasn't even on my mind at the time. It was more, mostly like, okay, I'm losing a lot of blood.

• 16:17Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:18Speaker 05

  So, am I gonna survive this or not? You know, everybody going crazy, you know, doing their thing, you know, real close friends in the hospital, cause you know, they ain't that far. So, football was not on my mind, football was on a couple of people's mind in the hospital, you know, is he gonna lose his career? But my main thing was like, okay, am I gonna see my son again?

• 16:39Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:39Speaker 05

  You know, if I'm gonna see my family again? So, that wasn't even on my mind. But once, you know, I transferred to Miami-Dade Jackson Memorial Hospital, and we did a couple surgeries, and I woke up from, you know, the coma, whatever it was, from that nap, anesthesia, whatever it was, the third day, then I seen it all on TV, that's when I was like, okay, you know, the world is going crazy right now. You know, this ain't even nothing compared to what my father been through.

• 17:09Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 17:09Speaker 05

  You know, something that happened naturally, a natural cause, you know what I mean? This happened to me because I put myself in this situation. You know what I'm saying? Brother crying in the thing, I say, look, at the end of the day, you gotta be the man of the house right now. Not me, because I'm in his hospital. But once I figured it out, I was like, you know what? Got my weight up, we was talking, me and Phil was talking. Mike, you know, to this day, he's my trainer. Right. You know, it's fourteen years in, I remember Mike coming to the hospital. And that was, that was my franchise year. You know what I'm saying, with the Giants? I never had a, a contract on the line, whatever. You know what I'm saying? Never signed it, but that was my franchise year and, uh, messed it all up. Right. Yeah. So, from there, I was like, okay.

• 17:54Speaker 05

  Mike came into the, then he was like, listen, man, you trained this whole offseason. He seen the difference then, from when I came in and training. And he was like, this yo, this is yo year. Mm-hmm. Well, like I said, I messed that all up. So, you know what he did? He came to the hospital every day and made me walk fifteen flights of stairs, up and down. Lost a lot of weight, probably like forty pounds, I was like two twenty something. But he did that every day, because he knew, you know, at the end of the day, he believed in me, I believed in myself, you know what I'm saying? I did what it needed to take, to do. So, after that, I was like, man, in order for me to play football, I can't ask for help. Hmm. So, therefore, you know, I'm missing fingers.

• 18:39Speaker 05

  So, what's the first thing you gotta do in football? You gotta dress yourself in pads. You gotta learn how to tie your shoe. Who gonna tie your shoe for you? So, I said, you know what? If I could tie my shoe without no help, I'mma be good. And soon enough, I tied that shoe, and I was like, I'mma be good. Because now I don't need nobody to help me tie my shoe if I'm on the field running. If my shoe strings get tangled up or they get loose. And you know how many times y'all have been on the field? Y'all have been on the field, y'all had to tie your shoe, a quick tie, you know? So, once I learned that, it was like, okay, I did that. And then, you know, I was writing with my left hand. At the time, I was like, you know what? I ain't even left-handed. I can still try to write with my right hand, you know?

• 19:24Speaker 05

  They say it was impossible, but I did it. You know, and still, my signature or nothing has not changed. So, I wound up still writing with my right hand, still tying my shoe. So, from there, it was like, it was a wrap. The only thing I couldn't do was buckle up. Show the pads? Nah, my church shirts, man.

• 19:43Speaker 05

  You know, you know, Florida boy.

• 19:46Ryan Clark?

  Church shirt.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  Church shirt. That's the only thing I couldn't do. My boy, church shirt.

• 19:50Ryan Clark?

  Like, it's the only place you can wear it, though. My church shirt.

• 19:53Speaker 05

  So, I'm like, that's the only thing I couldn't do. But at that point, I was like, that's not even a big deal. You know what I mean? The hardest part is over with, you know? So, once I learned how to do those things, I knew that I'll be, I'll be good.

• 20:05Ryan Clark?

  How did you get to the point of simplifying task in that way? You know, I think sometimes we always think so big picture. You know, like, I know my mind would have been like, I play DB. It would be like, can I break up the football? Can I catch the football? Can I do all of these things? And for you, it became as simple as, how do I tie my shoe? Right? And if I can tie my shoe, I can do certain things. Okay, now, my signature. How were you able, in your mind, to minimize such a big deal? Such a huge thing to small task like that? To allow yourself to feel like, okay, this is gonna be okay. I can get to a point where I can get back to who I was.

• 20:43Speaker 05

  It goes all back to my father, man. I never seen him complain about anything. Like, even to this day, like, he's good. You know? He do the same thing every day. You know, sit in bed, listen to the radio, smile and laugh and talk to my mother. You know, that's, that's life for him. So, with me, it was just, yo, I'm still alive. You know? I still got my vision. You know what I'm saying? Now, if I would've lost my vision, you know, then it's something crazy. Because at the end of the day, that's something I was born with. Like, my dad was born with, but accident, that trauma accident took it away. Not because of health-wise, you know what I mean? Glaucoma.

• 21:27Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 21:28Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? So, it was basically that, man. Just revert back to my dad, man, and... That's basically what it was.

• 21:35Channing Crowder?

  As you talking about it and laying it out, because I tore my ACL four times. And it was about that third time where like, I was sitting, I felt sorry for myself. I'm asking God, why you do this to me? I'm thinking, I'm, you know, I'm, at that point, I'm in high school. So at that point, I got college scholarships and I'm like, you done messed this up. Like I'm, you know, everybody has aspirations to go to the NFL. There wasn't one time through that whole ordeal that you ever questioned yourself. You ain't had no moment of weakness or nothing.

• 22:03Speaker 05

  Anybody that had known me, I never said, you know what, am I gonna be able to play football? Because football wasn't on my mind. Only thing that was on my mind was, yo, I'm still alive. You know what I'm saying? Laying up in that hospital. Yo, little kids passed away from firework injury. It wasn't just me now. I'm just, you know, known because I'm JPP. I won a Super Bowl from the New York Giants. The media is crazy in New York. Like, all that is, that's crazy. But not one time I questioned, you know, God or anything. I just say, you know what? Whatever he gives me, I can handle. You know what I mean? And that's how I went about everything. But don't get me wrong, it changed my totally, it totally changed my career.

• 22:48Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? It totally changed my career from how I was doing things to how I gotta adjust now. I play both sides of the ball. So I don't put my right hand down no more. I put my left hand down on both sides of the ball. So it's just small things I had to adjust, but I never questioned myself like, can I do this? Because once I got through this, football was easy for me. It's like, yo, you know, ACL, don't get me wrong, ACL, I had a shoulder injury. You know, broken neck after my firework. And that's something, you know, I was just driving, doing 65 on the way home, you know? On the way to Miami with my friend, trying to go see my friend Tracy.

• 23:33Speaker 05

  She's in here right now. Just driving, normal driving, 65. That's nothing compared to everybody's in here. You know what I'm saying? But guess what? You know, I just had to go, I just had to go cut that new Ferrari. You know what I'm saying? You know, and it's raining outside. Yo, now, no, now, I would never, ever drive a sports car while it's raining. You know, I would never drive a sports car when it's raining. Even if it got a wet mode on it, because I had it in wet mode, you know. But I would never drive a sports car when it's raining because I know it don't take that much. No, it just take a quick second to hydroplane. You know, and while we was hydroplane it, me and my friend was in the car. We didn't have our seat belts on, you know. Yo, that's lesson learned, you know.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  Wear a seat belt and yo, God was protecting me, it ain't my time. You know, bam, broke my neck. Broke my neck, didn't know I had a broken neck, you know what I'm saying? I'm, I'm over here, my friend face all messed up, hit the dashboard. He's in total shock because he never had nothing to, you know, a trauma situation like that in his life. So, he's in the car while we still in the fast lane. And yo, we gotta get out, cuz if another car come here, we might be dead. So, I gotta get him out the car, snatch him up out the car. This all adrenaline because I play football and all that. So, snatch him up out the car, put him on the side, call nine one one. To this day, it's on, it's on the internet, you can hear the calling now.

• 25:00Speaker 05

  Yo, told him what we was doing, where we was at, they came ambulance, hop in the car. I told the state trooper, do I gotta stay here or? You know, at this time, you know, my adrenaline still kicking. Alright, no, you don't have to stay here, sign the paperwork, hop in the, hop in the car with my friend with his whole face messed up, you know. Drive to the ambulance, yo, I say, you know what? It's been a long night, you know, this was, it was probably like eleven, one o'clock, whatever, whatever time it was. Sat down, laid there for a little bit, you know. So, I decided to lay down in the ambulance, you know how the ambulance is or whatever. Got to the ambulance, my friend on the stretcher, you know, my cousin was, he met me at the ambulance and then

• 25:43Speaker 05

  when they open the door, they say, Jason, my cousin said, Jason, let's go. Yo, I tried to get up. Couldn't move. Damn. Having a broken neck is, as a baby, you know, I got a four month old at home. You know, I'm pretty sure y'all got kids. Yeah. So, you know, you gotta hold that neck up. You know, till they can be able to hold their neck up. So, having a broken neck is like, you know, it feels loose. And you can't control your body. That's how it felt to me and everything was heavy from here down. Everything was heavy. I ain't paralyzed, nah. Just broken neck, you know? And I didn't know that till I got up and my cousin, we was walking down the hallway. But as I'm taking each and every step, my body getting heavier and heavier. You know what I'm saying?

• 26:28Speaker 05

  Then I get to the room and the lady said, "Let's go take an MRI." Cause I told her how I was feeling. She come back rushing. "Ha, don't move, you got a broken neck." I'm like, "Yo, how can I have a broken neck? I should be dead if you got a broken neck." Should be paralyzed or something. And she put the thing on me. And that thing, you know? They said, it was confirmed I had a broken neck, you know? And the way that happened, you just don't know how things are happening in life, you know? And the way that happened, for me to do what I did after that. I never missed a season, nah. You know, like I said, if I can, if I'm able to handle it, I'm gonna handle it. I never missed a season at all.

• 27:09Speaker 05

  But I was capable of handling it, come back week eight and still do what I do. But most guys was like, "Yo, you had a broken neck, how are you still playing football?" I don't even play football no more. You know, just like the guy that from Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know, and I was on Tampa Bay at this time. But when I blew off my hand, it was a guy that on Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a DB. I don't know his name. But he wound up quitting and didn't play because as a DB, you still need to catch the ball, whatever. But if it was me, I still would play. You know what I mean? Cause when you love something, you gonna do it regardless. You know what I'm saying? And can't nobody tell you to stop it.

• 27:45Ryan Clark?

  JPP, man, you explaining the firework accident. And then now talking about your accident the night you broke your neck. Like, it feels like those things should have been worse.

• 27:57Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:57Ryan Clark?

  Right? It feels like there could have been different outcomes to that. You know, Chan mentioned questioning God and saying like, "Why me? Why would this happen? What did I do?" Does this change my life? Do you ever sit back and think about how lucky you actually are? How blessed?

• 28:15Speaker 05

  Blessed.

• 28:15Ryan Clark?

  You are?

• 28:16Speaker 05

  Oh, luck ain't in my category. You blessed.

• 28:19Ryan Clark?

  You ever sit back and think about how blessed you are? That God has brought you through those things?

• 28:24Speaker 05

  For sure. We all do things in life that, you know what I mean? You know, what it is, you know, try to create a podcast or try to create a business and, you know what I mean? Elevate yourself in life and elevate people that's around you, you know? And sometimes you totally forget about your past. Like, I don't think about my missing fingers at all. You know, it's just a part of me now, you know? I don't think about, oh, I had a broken neck. It's just, that's a part of me now, you know? I didn't have to have surgery. Now, I was blessed, I didn't have to have surgery, you know? So, all that thing, sometimes you forget, but then, when you sit down and, you know what I mean? And start thinking about, like, you know, what you done been through in life that, you know, people haven't?

• 29:09Speaker 05

  Some people haven't. Because some people, you know, it's different for people, you know? Some people catch cancer, you know, hopefully they can beat it. Like, that's not my situation. My situation was totally different. So, when I look at my life and see what I've been through, I'll be like, you know what? I'm blessed just to be here. And just to be talking to y'all, just to be talking to my friends, because things can be totally different.

• 29:30Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 29:31Speaker 05

  I look at it like, yo, every day is a day for you to be better and just to be blessed and try to be happy. Because I ain't got time to be, you know, holding grudges or not being happy. Because, yo, you could be gone tomorrow, man, you know? Like, that's why I love the game of football.

• 29:48Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:48Speaker 05

  And, yo, football is just a plus for me. I done won two championships.

• 29:53Ryan Clark?

  Uh-huh.

• 29:53Speaker 05

  Two. First one, part, I did part of it, you know what I mean? Second one, I did too. And, you know, what makes the second one great about is we had a team full of superstars. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, you had Tom Brady, you had Antonio Brown, you had Ndamukong Su, you had Shaq, you had all of, we had Leonard Fournette, we had a team full of superstars. And every year, you get a Pro Bowl vote. You know, guys, you know how it go, I don't even care about that. No, I don't realize, yo, all that is, it's okay, but in reality is, if you work hard, everybody gonna see you, you know what I'm saying? And you'll stand out. But what made it so special about that year?

• 30:38Speaker 05

  Like, when we was doing the Pro Bowl votes, I was like, man, I was like, man, fuck a Pro Bowl, man, I'm trying to get to the Super Bowl, and I feel it. And that whole year, I was, you can ask the boys that was on that team. The whole year, I'm like, yo, I feel it, we gonna be in that stadium. And sure enough, Pro Bowl came around, everybody vote, I ain't even vote. Cause I don't care about the Pro Bowl. But guess who was the only Pro Bowl on that team, that year, on that Super Bowl team?

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• 31:35Speaker 05

  And people tend to forget that. And I forget it sometimes, you know what I'm saying? But that just go about hard work. Like I say, I don't even supposed to be here talking to y'all boys, but hard work pays off, dawg, you know what I'm saying? And you don't need no vote, you don't need anything in life but to just to work hard and let people see you.

• 31:53Channing Crowder?

  Bro, I gotta ask you, like, we talk about regular injury, I brought on knee injuries and all, they talk about the shoulder, those are all precedented injuries from the league. They know when you come back, like, the Sibex test, I know you done did the Sibex shit and all that. When you had your thing with your hand, what did you have to prove to the teams when you went and did the free agency shit? Cause that's a whole different world that they have to figure out.

• 32:13Speaker 05

  The Giants, I was already ready. You know, like I say, Mike came to the hotel, I'm not the hotel, but Mike came to the, to the hospital, we was, we was, we was walking 15 flights of stairs, up, coming down, up, coming down, three times a day. That was hard for me, you know what I mean? So, once we did that, it was like, okay. Once I got out the hospital, we went right back into training, you know? And not once he was like, man, take a break. He was like, we getting right back into training. We don't care what you. So we got right back into training. What I noticed was that Mike didn't let up, so I didn't let up. You know, I didn't let up. But one thing I know, the Giants was like,

• 32:58Speaker 05

  you know, he ain't ready. But at the end of the day, it's all business. You cannot, can't nobody tell you when you ready, yourself, yourself, when you ready. You know what I'm saying? It's like somebody in front of you, you, you, you second string, but you waiting for the first string to, something happened or, you know, to prove yourself that I could be a first string person, you know? But Giants was like, Jason, you're not ready, you know? And I remember me walking in there. I was two, I'm two twenty something, two twenty five, to get myself to two forty five. That's hard, you know what I mean? After a big explosion. And my hand was super big, like you said, you know, hips, whatever. It was huge. I was like, yo, this ain't never going down. But I'm working with it. But the lady was like, don't worry. Trauma does go down and you'll see.

• 33:42Speaker 05

  I walked into the Giants facility, met with the owners and the gym. I was like, I'm ready to play. They sent me home and was like, nah, you're not ready. You know? Come back, you know, a couple more weeks and we'll see. Cool. All right. But at that point, I was already lifting two twenty fives. That was a point I had to prove too. Because in order to hold a bench, you have to hold it and bench. The hardest thing for me was not even benching. It was holding on to something. You know, because they, they wanted me to prove that I could hold on to something without letting go.

• 34:27Speaker 05

  You know, first time I tried to hold on.

• 34:31Speaker 05

  You know, this hand is strong, but this ain't, so I'm turning like this, you can see. You're right. But then, over time, I got myself to that point, I could hold on. That's when I knew, okay, you know, they wanna see me hold on. Your game is grabbing too, though. There you go. That's your game. That's my game, so I had to adjust so much ways into football, which I did. You know, I don't complain, like I said, I don't complain about things or whatever, I just go do it. And then, to this day, I still do the same thing. Wow. With all the injuries and especially this non-football injury in the neck, but especially with this, it made me realize, yo, that I'm capable of doing anything. Anybody that's capable of doing anything, they put their mind to it, you just gotta believe in yourself.

• 35:15Fred Taylor?

  With your story, great story of perseverance, real inspiring. You know, we talked about the Haitian community, we talked about your, your, your parents being tough and not quitting. Your charity work, how have you used your story to inspire those that are, you know, I guess, less fortunate? What's the goal?

• 35:36Speaker 05

  I'll tell you this, I'm not really into social media like that, you know? And if you look on my page, there's nothing on there, you know? But people say, hey, I need to, you know, post more, dah dah dah. But, yo, I get so much in my DM, meaning kids, you know, I mean, grown men every 4th of July hitting me up. And I don't have to do much because if you know me and you know about a story, first person they're gonna think about is Jason Pierre-Paul. He did it, you can do it. And I get guys, females, whatever, asking me, yo, can you talk to my son? Because he just lost.

• 36:21Speaker 05

  His fingers in a motorcycle accident. Or, you know, a shark bit off half my husband. Can you talk to? These are random stuff I'm getting. I don't have to answer these people. And reality is, I feel like I'm a regular guy. You know, but I don't went through it without no guidance. So, me going through it without no guidance, I know how to help people. So, you know what? I click on a cell, you know, even though I know they probably gonna keep on writing me.

• 36:51Speaker 05

  So, I hit a cell and you know what? That's what God telling me to do. You know, just go out your way. You know, ain't gotta be nothing. You're not getting nothing in return, but in reality is you getting more in return because you helping somebody out. That, you know, I mean, might commit suicide. You know what I'm saying? Might do something else in their life because they don't know what. They don't have that guidance. So, I try to guide people by, hey, man, it's gonna be okay. People, mom, hey, me, okay, talk to my son. Cause at the end of the day, yo, I'm a father of three. I know for a fact if something happened to my kids, God wouldn't nothing ever happen to my kids like I, that I went through. You gonna, your kids not gonna listen to you. They looking for another lead weight. No, you're just my parent. You don't know nothing.

• 37:36Channing Crowder?

  And bro, you bring up the kids. You say you got a four month old. So, you making babies still?

• 37:43Channing Crowder?

  I gotta know.

• 37:44Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 37:45Channing Crowder?

  Did, did the hand change any, any positions?

• 37:48Speaker 05

  No.

• 37:48Channing Crowder?

  Can you still grab?

• 37:50Speaker 05

  I can still grab. I can do everything. I can flip whatever you wanna do.

• 37:56Channing Crowder?

  Only you would ask this man about that part, bro.

• 38:02Speaker 05

  You'll be amazed.

• 38:05Channing Crowder?

  I don't wanna be amazed.

• 38:08Ryan Clark?

  JPP, man, you know, speaking of your father, cause you continue to reference him. He finally got to go to a game.

• 38:16Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:17Ryan Clark?

  What was that moment like knowing that he'd be in the stadium? I saw you said, you know, you didn't know how he would react, react to the sounds or react to the crowd and all of those things. Because when you do lose your sight, your other senses have to heighten in order for you to be able to live. So, what was that moment like though, knowing that he'd get an opportunity to be in the stadium for your Super Bowl? And that was his first time getting that chance?

• 38:40Speaker 05

  You know what? I ain't gonna lie, I was, I was kinda nervous. You know, cause he stays in the house, listen to his radio and he never goes out to like. Like a event or anything that you gonna hear that type of noise. But they gave him the, what, noise cancellation? Headphones. Headphones. And then within that noise cancellation, I don't know if this was the first time ever in Super Bowl, I don't know. But within the noise cancellation, like, uh, headphones, it had, um, a Haitian translator. Wow. Translating to him exactly what I was doing on the field. And that was a very special moment because as a, as a father, you like, you know what? I'm proud of my son, even though you can't even see what's going on.

• 39:23Speaker 05

  But you know, your son is one of the starters out there making the big difference. You know what I mean? On the field. You know, and I was proud of that moment. But then as the second Super Bowl came around, my, my son was, you know, small, first one. But as the second Super Bowl came around, it meant more to me because my dad, right? You know what he told me? He said, "Son, I'm proud of you. I don't care about if I die tomorrow." And then my second Super Bowl, I'm like, "Dad, let's go." You know what he said? He said, "I don't need to go because I enjoyed the first one. Go win the second one." And that was real. You know, that was real. Yeah, I love that. At that point, I was like, man, it is what it is.

• 40:08Speaker 05

  My daughter got to see the second Super Bowl, and that was it.

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• 41:29Ryan Clark?

  What happened when your pops didn't want to tell you that your mom went back to work and she was a janitor?

• 41:35Speaker 05

  I called my dad and he was like, "Yo, your mom want to go back to work." I'm like, "Yo, for what? Like, for what? You know what I mean? I take care of everything with what I have lost, you know what I mean? And, you know what I mean? For me to get you where you at here in life today, you want to go back? But that's just my mom, though. Like, every day, like, even now, you know, I'm free agent, you know? Like, I understand the transition by this. Because, yo, while this was happening, football was still going on. I could have been going crazy, but in reality is, I ain't going crazy because this happened.

• 42:19Speaker 05

  You know, right now, to this day, I'm still doing things. I'm renovating houses. I got businesses going on. And that keep my mind off things. You know what my mom told me? "Hey, son, you know, you need to chill. Like, you always doing something." But that's been me my whole life. You know why? Because I look at my parents and I see my mom always getting up and going. And then, "How you gonna tell me that? But you don't stay still."

• 42:46Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 42:47Speaker 05

  So it's in me. You know what I'm saying? This is something that I didn't, I didn't learn. It's just in me because it's in y'all, you know? And it's in you to this day. I come home. I come home from, you know, a season. You know, my momma the type, she do everything on her own. Yo, she went to Home Depot, she had to rake up the whole lawn. And, you know, I got a big truck at the house. She rent a Home Depot truck without even consulting me and telling me, hey, can I use your truck? But that's why I'm saying, like, she ain't chilling, so you can't tell me to chill. I got so much I'm doing that when this happened in the net, like, it was nothing. The transition for me is easy.

• 43:32Speaker 05

  So when I do get the call, or when I got the call, it's like, okay, football wants me. They want my talent to show these individuals how to do it.

• 43:44Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 43:44Speaker 05

  I'm gonna be honest, I don't watch film like that, you know what I'm saying? But I can tell you, I've been in this game long enough to know, yo, guys ain't tackling how they used to tackle.

• 43:55Channing Crowder?

  That's right.

• 43:55Speaker 05

  Guys ain't running how they used to run. Like, everything is changing, you know what I mean? So what the vets know, you just gotta teach it to the young kid. Hopefully, they understand and grasp it. But, yo, football is changing, and I see that. The whole game is changing.

• 44:10Channing Crowder?

  You could, obviously, how you talking, you believe you could still play ball right now?

• 44:14Speaker 05

  Oh, for sure.

• 44:15Channing Crowder?

  Why, though? You got businesses, you got investments, you got all this stuff, you got money, why?

• 44:20Speaker 05

  Why? Because, yo, I'm trying to reach the hundred sacks. That's a goal I want, you know what I mean? And I haven't been given the opportunity. Last year, I was on the Ravens, you know what I mean? And I thought I was gonna get that opportunity to get them hundred sacks. But you know what? It didn't fall through like that, you know? Business is business. You know, you want the young guys to go out there to make sure they know how to stop the run.

• 44:40Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 44:41Speaker 05

  Don't send me out there and play first and second down. I'll do it. But at the time, your third down come through, I'm the type, you know, I'm old school, man. So it's gonna take me, it's gonna take me to get warmed up for nobody to stop me.

• 44:54Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 05

  You know what I'm saying? Once I get going, it ain't, oh, it's like this, ain't no stopping me. And that's the same thing when it came to my hand. You know, once I did this, it ain't no stopping me because, yo, I done been through too much for a person to tell me what I can't do.

• 45:08Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 45:08Speaker 05

  So I'm reaching for that hundred sacks. You know what I mean? Hopefully, one day, I am a Hall of Famer.

• 45:14Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 45:14Speaker 05

  Who done did what I did?

• 45:16Channing Crowder?

  Who'd have been through what you been through?

• 45:17Speaker 05

  Yeah. And that's where I'm getting at.

• 45:20Fred Taylor?

  So you have two rings.

• 45:22Speaker 05

  Two, could have had a third one.

• 45:23Fred Taylor?

  Two rings.

• 45:24Speaker 05

  I got two rings.

• 45:25Fred Taylor?

  But let's talk about the two, right? Uh, one versus Tom Brady.

• 45:29Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 45:29Fred Taylor?

  And the Pats.

• 45:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:30Fred Taylor?

  And then another with Tom Brady.

• 45:33Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 45:34Fred Taylor?

  What, what, which is the most special? Beating Tom or winning one with Tom?

• 45:39Speaker 05

  I say winning one with him. Beating him, yo, I'm his enemy. I'm, you know, that, that's something, I'm his enemy. And, yo, we just playing football. Yo, if your team don't like somebody, and we don't like them. Right. That's just how it is, you know, they the ops. That's how it is. But, yo, beating Tom Brady my second year for a Super Bowl. Yo, I ain't really too much understand what a Super Bowl was. I ain't even win the College Bowl game. Well, I did in junior college, but I ain't even know what that was about. You know what I'm saying? But winning the Super Bowl and didn't quite understand what a Super Bowl was. All I just know, we get a ring and everybody looks up to you. Right. You know, but, yo, it took me 10 years.

• 46:24Speaker 05

  10 years just to get back to that position. And I'm thinking, oh, we win the Super Bowl, oh. We going right back. We coming right back, same team. But every year the team is different. Yeah. You know, and I did, that's something I quite didn't understand, you know? And winning one with Tom Brady was totally different because, yo, you talking about the goat. You know, I watch him come to work, you know, at 6 a.m. You know, he, I'm, I'm coming in at 6 a.m. You know, his car already there. He's a team captain. He ain't parking in the captain, team captain. He parking in the back by the, where the, where the big trucks come in and, you know, the equipments come in, the water.

• 47:07Speaker 05

  I'm parking in the captain's spot, I ain't the captain. You know what I'm saying? But I'm watching him. Right. You know what I mean, see how he carry himself. And, you know, he came to work way before everybody. And then practice come, he ain't complaining, he's just doing, even though this is Tom Brady now, he got, well, six rings at the time. Yeah. Yo, he ain't complain once, he get hurt, you know what I'm saying? He got his man there, working on him, still gonna play, looking at the teammates, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, you can tell the guys look up to him, but he don't say much until it's time to play. And I'll tell you this. Winning one with him was special because yo, I remember this, he ain't say nothing all year, you know what I'm saying?

• 47:52Speaker 05

  And I'm the type, I ain't the type of dude that gonna rally everybody up, get them all hyped up. You gonna see how I play, you know, oh man, he going all out. I can't be half assing, you know what I'm saying? Then that was gonna make me look bad on the defense, you know, I'm running, he running full speed. Yeah, he's old, you know what I'm saying? But Tom Brady did a speech, I can't, you know, re-quote the speech or nothing, I just know yo, when he said that speech, I say you want, he said, man, I already won a Super Bowl against you, bruh. So, you know what I'm saying? But when he said that speech, he was like, bro, one day he said, you win, you win this today, you gonna remember this for the rest of your life, the rest of your life, you know what I mean?

• 48:36Speaker 05

  And I'm gonna be your brother for the rest of your life. You can come to me anytime, anybody in here. You know, it wasn't just about him, it was the whole team, like you could just feel it, which I already knew was gonna win, you know what I'm saying? The defense was too raw, you know what I'm saying? We was ready, cuz they beat us way before. But when he made that speech, yo, the, nobody had to say nothing no more. We just went out and played.

• 49:00Ryan Clark?

  You played that game in Tampa.

• 49:03Speaker 05

  Which they was a home team.

• 49:04Ryan Clark?

  Yup.

• 49:04Speaker 05

  Kansas City.

• 49:05Ryan Clark?

  And it was a tough year for everybody though.

• 49:07Speaker 05

  Covid.

• 49:07Ryan Clark?

  That's covid year. What was, was that year like? Tom comes in, you have all these high hopes, but football was so different for everybody. There were people who said, y'all shouldn't even be playing football. It was people talking about vaccinations. There was all this stuff surrounding that season. And I remember that year, bro, the Saints blew y'all out in Tampa, going into the playoffs. What was that playoff run like? You got rolling, Shaq got rolling, Devin started balling, y'all was balling on the back end. What was that playoff run like for y'all?

• 49:39Speaker 05

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• 50:38Speaker 05

  We just all gathered up and was like, yo, is this what we gotta go through? Because we know the Super Bowl is in temple. What more do you need to know? You know? Now, obviously, we know guys are gonna catch COVID. Hopefully, you know what I'm saying? They do and they get back in it. You know, because COVID was real. And it's still COVID now, but people don't think about it like that. It's still COVID now. But we made sure that we gathered everybody and made sure that, yo, we are a team and the Super Bowl is here this year. The whole time, I'm like, man, we gonna, see that, ay, we gonna be, we gonna be there. Bro, I was saying that the whole year. We gonna be there, trust me. And when Kansas City came into town, bro, and we lost that game,

• 51:22Speaker 05

  you know, I made them lose that game. But, like I say, football has changed now. You hit a person in the helmet like this, it's rough in the passing. It is, yep. And my hand hurt. He ain't hurt, but it is what it is. But when we beat them and I was screaming, yo, we gonna be there, bro. If that's the championship team that was out there last year. We gonna see them again and sure know we saw them again, but it took everybody, bro. Covid, people got Covid, you know what I mean, had to sit out, you know, games with stars in play. But when you got this, everybody know, you know, it is what it is. You playing for your brother next to you and no matter what, I got your back. That's basically what it was.

• 52:06Speaker 05

  A lot of teams, yo, they start off the year by, oh, you know, we gonna create a team, you know? I don't play video games. Well, you create a team or whatever, however you do it on a video game and you think your team gonna be the rawest one, right? But that ain't how the game go. You know what I mean? You gotta actually interact with your brothers, you know what I mean? I can't come to work and you sitting next to me every day and I don't say a word to you. You know what I mean? Like, I don't even know nothing about you. I don't know if you got kids, got family, but that year, yo, we made it known, like, even we had new guys. We made it known, like, yo, let's, you know, interact and bond with each other and see, you know what I mean? Where we could go, which I already know where we gonna go. But that was this.

• 52:49Speaker 05

  Nobody could break that bond and like, yo, somebody get sick, we got you. What you need, no, no, no, we'll take care of it. And that was basically it. And that's how you win a, that's how you win a Super Bowl.

• 52:59Ryan Clark?

  Bro, you talk about winning Super Bowls with two different teams and part of your story is too, you went to two small colleges before you got.

• 53:07Speaker 05

  College of the Canyons and Forest Scott Community.

• 53:09Ryan Clark?

  And so you said, and you didn't like the first one, right? And they did, and they call AB Daddy or something like that?

• 53:14Speaker 05

  Oh, AB Daddy, AB Daddy was at Forest Scott Community College, you know what I mean?

• 53:20Ryan Clark?

  Tell me a little bit about that.

• 53:21Speaker 05

  Yo, okay, yo, I could go on by that. So I went to junior college, you know what I mean, from high school and I was at College of the Canyons, you know? I ain't know too much about football. At this point, you know, I started 11th grade year. It was like, yo, what?

• 53:38Speaker 05

  My coach, Coach Taylor, cause I think Coach Minnis wound up, who caught me at my car to drag me to the football field. He wound up leaving and going to Atlanta and getting the head coach job. So only Coach Martin was there.

• 53:50Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 05

  So the year end, you know, we go all the way to state my 11th grade year and lose in Miami.

• 53:58Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 53:59Speaker 05

  This following year come back, they will do the same thing. No, you know what I mean, guys gone, like I said, that's super boy, guys gone. We ain't wanna make it to playoffs, but then Coach Taylor, who was my head coach, says, hey, uh, do you wanna continue playing football? See, at this point, my friends gone, you know, they gone off to college. I'm just sitting around, okay, if I'm gonna get a job or what? So I say, you know what? Why not? Is it gonna pay for school and all that? So I say, ah, I do it. You know, not know what I'm getting myself into. Yo, I don't, I don't think, I been out the, I been out of Florida, you know, I said that one time. You know, I flew to Haiti a couple of times, but yo, going to California, you know, I ain't know the time difference.

• 54:44Speaker 05

  None of that, so when I reached, I'm thinking it's still six o'clock, here's six o'clock, it's three hours. You know what I mean? Back, like, yo, that was the breaking point for me, yo, I ain't gonna lie, that broke me down. Really? You know what I mean? Cause knowing that, you know, it's, I ain't get to speak to my mom, like, and my, my pops and my family, like, on a regular basis. Cause in junior college, believe it or not, you know, junior college is way, way harder than going to a four-year university. You know what I'm saying? So I was at College of the Canyons, you know, you know, shout out to them boys over there for giving me the opportunity, but, yo, it was a struggle for me over there because I was really by myself.

• 55:25Speaker 05

  This is my first time out the, out of, out of Florida, witness, uh, California, don't know nothing about California. Don't know nobody there but teammates, teammates ain't really messing with you. So, you know, I'ma do what I normally do, you know, get it on my own, you know? So, they paid for school tuition for me and all that, yo, but some way, somehow, I couldn't, I ain't got nothing to say bad about the school, but some way, somehow, I couldn't get the, I couldn't get the class. You know what I mean, when practice come around, I'm, I'm, I'm going to practice. Well, when it come to school time, I went and get in the class. You couldn't make it? I couldn't make it. He didn't know where it was. No, no, I, I could make it, but I went and get in the ride. Right.

• 56:10Speaker 05

  You know, I wasn't getting, nobody was coming to pick me up, but when practice came, it was like, oh, I got a ride out front, you know? Oh, okay, I got you. If I don't go to class or nobody taking me to class, I ain't got no car and I'm, and we ain't got dorms in California. You, they renting houses out for you. Yeah. And California is a very dangerous place, even now, it's even worse now. Yeah. You know, it's a very dangerous place. Back then it was dangerous, you know? And yo, I didn't make it to class. Sometimes they came and picked me up when I got to that mode like, yo, you know what? I ain't going to practice. I'm gonna stay here. I ain't going to practice. They gonna come knocking, but I ain't going to practice. You know, then that's when they started coming and doing this and that. But guess what?

• 56:54Speaker 05

  They did that, you know, when you get the little summer break, you go back. You know, I went back and I stayed in the house. My mom wanted me to go back. My dad like, oh, when you gonna go back? I was like, oh, in two weeks. But in reality, I ain't going back up there. You know, then it got to a point, my mom and dad started realize, yo, why ain't he leave yet? And I was like, you know what? Forget it, I'm going back. You know, because they ain't gonna start questioning me and all that. So I went back. They was calling me, you know, why are you late? Like, you know? So I went back, they got me a flight, went back. Now I know what to expect. I ain't coming back unless y'all get me my own place, dah dah dah. They wound up doing that. You know, obviously if you very good on the team and you enjoy a car, they gonna make sure you take care of it.

• 57:35Speaker 05

  They wound up doing that and I had one roommate, yo, in a two, in a three bedroom house, right? So he got a room, I got a room. Yo, I kid you not. Everything was going all good, you know, all good for like, I'll say, a month or two? Then they start moving motherfuckers in. All right, yo, four guys show up. We in the three berry, four more guys show up, yo. You know, couldn't keep the refrigerator stocked, all that. So that's junior college life. So you know what? I got enough of it. All right, you know what? I ain't gonna play. Da, da, da. But you can't go nowhere else in California. I don't know if y'all know them rules. Yeah. If you in California, you cannot play junior college ball in the California, in California State.

• 58:20Speaker 05

  Anywhere in California. So at this point, I don't know how I wanna reach into Antonio's dad. Yeah. You know, Mr. Brown at the time. I guess he heard, yo, you know, somebody trying to get out of here, you know, junior college. Nah, opportunity came up. Yo, four, it was six of us in the house. So I was like, you know what? I'm just leaving. I'm just leaving. I say, I ain't gotta wait a year to play football? Nah, man, you know what? If you come up here, we got dorms. I'm going off what he's saying. Antonio dad, yo, we got dorm rooms. You know what I mean? You gonna make it to school, cuz school, five minutes, you can walk to school. I said, oh, yeah? All right, cool. Got dorms? Cool.

• 59:03Speaker 05

  So I wind up, you know, at night, wind up getting a cab. Hit it. Nobody heard not one word. Hit it on the plane to Kansas City. Now, at this point, I don't know what I'm getting myself into again. Right. They're like, you going to Dorsey? I'm like, who is Dorsey? Like, you know what I mean? That's what they call it, Kansas City. Yeah. Yo. No place like home. The snow killed me.

• 59:29Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? I didn't know anything about the snow, warm weather and all. When the snow got there, it killed me. But everything they said they was gonna do, they wound up doing. Oh. And then I wound up getting in a fight with my teammates. Teammates? Teammates. You got jumped? Jump ain't the word. Hey, them guys from Cleveland, Ohio, don't play.

• 59:51Speaker 05

  I'm just, I'm just being real. They don't play. They got this tattoo, like, you know what I mean? They don't play. But it wasn't my fault. You know what I mean? Everything I had to go through to get to U.S. self, don't get me wrong, U.S. self.

• 1:00:07Speaker 05

  Going through junior college, from College of the Canes to Forest Scott. And Forest Scott actually treated me good in College of the Canes. But what they said they was gonna do, they did. Nah, they probably changed it and everything is more better. But at that time, it wasn't like that for me, you know what I'm saying? So I wound up, you know, getting jumped. They wound up sending us everybody home that got jumped, even though I was the victim. Everybody gotta go. Everybody gotta go. They keep, everybody gotta go, got cut on the eye. Everybody gotta go, even you the victim, we gotta go. Alright, cool. I wound up going home, wound up taking classes online and passing it. And then two weeks, USF had a game in two weeks.

• 1:00:47Speaker 05

  And I wound up making the semester because you had to, you know how you gotta apply and get in and all that. I wound up applying, got in there. And that's the, you know, I had to wait like three weeks to play. And I wound up playing, but they ain't starve me or anything until somebody got hurting. But I done been through so much in junior college. Yo, they gave me like a little, uh, a badge, you know, in college. They had, it had money on it. It had, you go to get the food, pizza, all that. In junior college, we didn't have all that. So that was easy. Going to class was easy. So once I got in there, it was just a piece of cam. I'm like, yo, this is what a four-year university goes through? Yeah.

• 1:01:28Speaker 05

  Like, if I'd have came here before that, maybe I wouldn't have had all the challenges that I had going through junior college. But yo, I'd have been out of here. Like, people would have been knew who I was way before. Cause I had the option to go anywhere out of college, you know what I'm saying? Not out of college, but out of high school, you know what I'm saying? But so and so, that ain't happened for me. I had to go a different route, you know what I mean? But once I got to the four-year university, USF, you know, it was too easy for me. Cause I done been through so much. That's how you went first round? I didn't even know what first round was. Tracy, she'll tell you.

• 1:02:04Channing Crowder?

  Ain't no nothing, Super Bowl.

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  Yeah. I ain't know what first round.

• 1:02:08Channing Crowder?

  Through that whole path, when did you know you was good at football? Cause you couldn't think at College of the Canyons, I don't know what the fuck y'all are saying.

• 1:02:16Speaker 05

  I ain't know I was good, I ain't gonna lie.

• 1:02:19Speaker 05

  College of the Canyons, they gave me, I was already good, but I ain't know how good I was. You know, I was still learning. Right. Eleven great years when I like really started playing. Playoff year, cause one of the, one of my boys who was best player, got the same birthday and everything. He was like, he was, you know, we got some of the guys too big, too cool, I'm the starter type. That was him. And they wound up cutting him off the team. He was like, come on, Jason. I was like, uh, nah, I'm gonna stay on the team. You know, that's what happened. I wound up playing, starting a position and wound up being good. But when I got to College of the Canyons, totally different. You play against other dudes, you know what I mean? Other players that's bigger than you, stronger than you.

• 1:02:59Speaker 05

  And I won, uh, Rookie of the Year, whatever. I got a plaque at the house, you know what I mean? My mama got it, you know? Best player in, in the, on the whole team, you know? But at that point, I'm thinking a trophy is a trophy, you know what I'm saying? So I put it, I gave it to my mama. But I really understood I was, got good when I got into the NFL. So it wasn't when they drafted you?

• 1:03:26Channing Crowder?

  You messed around and went first round.

• 1:03:27Speaker 05

  When I got drafted, I ain't know anything about draft. You can ask Tracy, bro. I went to.

• 1:03:31Channing Crowder?

  It's people like you that really piss me off. Tim Anderson.

• 1:03:36Channing Crowder?

  Tim Anderson said the same thing, baseball player.

• 1:03:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:03:38Channing Crowder?

  He was like, man, I'm just playing ball. You can't get first round, man.

• 1:03:42Speaker 05

  But even in first round, I ain't know what it was, but you know, I was at Liv because obviously I couldn't go to the draft. Cause they had this stupid, uh, this stupid rule. If you got a felony on your, um, record, you can't go. But you know how I got that felony on my record? From College of the Canyons. Super Bowl weekend, Patriots against Eagles. You remember that Super Bowl? I ain't even watch Super Bowl. They got a party at the house. You know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to go pay my T-Mobile prepaid bill. You know what I'm saying? Make sure my phone don't get cut off. So I use one of my teammate's car that, you know, he had a charger. You know what I mean? Yo, he coming to practice with it. I'm like, he got a car? Coming to practice with it?

• 1:04:27Speaker 05

  Letting everybody hold it on team? I just so happened to hold it on Super Bowl weekend. You know, because everybody at the house said, can I hold your phone on your car to go pay my bill? Prepaid bill? They go to the mall. So I'm going to the mall. You know, me and my two roommates that was in the house, they roll with me. Right? Alright, cool. That's, you know, I'm driving. I see a police about to, they got stories, bro. I see a police about to bust a left. You know what I mean? But he's at the left turn, so you at the left turn and I'm already making the right to go. So I said, oh, police. Alright, so I made the right anyway, so I'm going to the school, the block right here. So that's, you know, I'm driving. You know, I see a roadblock. I say, ay, I boys, there's a roadblock. There's a roadblock up front.

• 1:05:12Speaker 05

  Alright, cool, I'm just go through the school. The campus and go around with a T-Mobile. Yo, turn, bust that left into the school. Helicopters. You got laser pointed at the car, all that. Cops, you know, stop the car. At this point, I'm shaking. I don't know what I did. I ain't do nothing, what did I do? Like, you know, for police to be surrounding me. Yo, come to find out, yo, the car was stolen from the airport. And I so happened to be driving it. Dang. You know? So that's the only reason I didn't go to the draft. I would have loved to go to the draft. You know, that shit look lit over there. Everybody, you know what I mean? Get number one jersey with your name. I ain't got none, I ain't got none of that. To this day, I still ain't got the number one.

• 1:05:58Speaker 05

  Like, what's up with that? Roger, like, what's up? Can I get that? But I didn't have none of that. So I couldn't go to the draft. They wound up shooting it at, they wound up doing it at live. And, you know, Drew Rosenhaus was my agent at the time. You know what I'm saying? Didn't know too much about agents at the time too. Drew, you know Drew.

• 1:06:18Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:19Speaker 05

  You know, hey bud, you know, all of that with Jason Cass and them. Yo, first round, I didn't know what round I was going. You know, you do the little, uh, thing, we gotta fill in and send it in. They already said I was going first round, but they don't know. You know, it could be on the back end. At one point, they said I was going number three. I don't know what number three is. Well, Sue went number two or whatever and Cam knew, whatever, you know what I mean? But I didn't know nothing. So I'm in Liv, dressed up, you know, I'm coming, I'm thinking, okay, he's gonna... Yo, this is my first time in Liv.

• 1:06:52Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, that shit is nice.

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  You know, and it looked like you was at the draft.

• 1:06:57Ryan Clark?

  Well.

• 1:06:57Speaker 05

  The way they set it up. So, we get in the, you know, I'm sitting in the, uh, 15th pick. I went, and you know, everybody in the, everybody that was in the, uh, in Liv went crazy. I'm talking, went stupid crazy. I didn't know what was going on. I don't know, everybody, you got the picture like this?

• 1:07:21Ryan Clark?

  Ain't no way.

• 1:07:22Speaker 05

  I'm telling you, yes way.

• 1:07:23Ryan Clark?

  There is, there is no way you get picked 15th.

• 1:07:27Speaker 05

  15?

• 1:07:27Ryan Clark?

  Everybody, there's, there's...

• 1:07:29Speaker 05

  I knew, I knew something was going, I knew something was going on because...

• 1:07:33Ryan Clark?

  Did your phone ring?

• 1:07:34Speaker 05

  No, you know what, my phone didn't ring. I'm gonna type person, if you got my number, you got my number. But, everybody going crazy in the, Tracy'll tell you right now, when you walk out of here, ask them. Everybody doing this, you know, my parents don't know what the heck going on. You know what I mean? Cause we hasted it, like, we don't know nothing. But you know how I knew I made it? You know, MySpace and Facebook, yo, I had like maybe 150 friends, yo. By the time I got home, my, my two homeboys was too excited. They was way excited. We, we rolled home with the top of the Mustang let back in. He'll never let the top of the Mustang back, wind blowing. But when I got home, bro, I had 100 something friends on Facebook, 100 something friends on MySpace. That's when it was hot.

• 1:08:18Speaker 05

  Yo, I must've had like 40,000 people. I accepted them all. And that's when I knew something was different, you know what I mean? But other than that, I ain't know nothing. Hey, Freddie T had Black Planet.

• 1:08:34Fred Taylor?

  Check it, no, so, you know, in spite of, despite, you know, everything from, uh, was it the Canyon College? College of the Canyons. College of the Canyon, to going to see Dorothy, the felony.

• 1:08:45Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:08:46Fred Taylor?

  Uh, you know, with the adverse moments, with the hand, the neck. Uh, as we sit here today, you're a free agent, you're 52 all time on the, uh, top sacks list, sack leader's list. Uh, five and a half away from 100, I know that's a goal of yours.

• 1:09:01Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 1:09:02Fred Taylor?

  Uh, two away from passing Hall of Famer in Warren Sapp.

• 1:09:05Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 1:09:05Fred Taylor?

  You know, even with all of that, right? In your words, and we always ask our guests this, what has been your biggest pivot? That one moment, or that defining moment, that speaks to who you are and what you've gone through? Or that moment that changed everything for you in life?

• 1:09:25Speaker 05

  I think blowing off my hand, man. Blowing off my hand made me realize who I was capable of being and what I am. Because at the end of the day, I can sit here and talk with y'all, but at the same thing, I still got this, right? So when people meet me, they don't know. I give them a, it's like it's the same thing, but if you do know about my situation, if I give you five, right? This is how somebody reach over and give me five. I'm like, yo, what the hell you doing? Why?

• 1:10:00Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:00Speaker 05

  But at the end of the day, I'm still the same person. Just because my hand blew up, doesn't define like, yo, I'mma change, or that's not me, or I'm not gonna be the same person. I'm the same person from when my hand blew up, I act the same. But only difference is, I know who I am as a person. Like, can't nobody make jokes around me, and I'm not gonna joke back. Like, I'm still that character person in real life. I know for a fact that no matter what the circumstances is, I'm helping people around the world. You know what I'm saying? Not about physically meeting them, but like, if you know my story, you know. There's no, there's nothing to be said.

• 1:10:45Speaker 05

  Yo, this dude is a savage.

• 1:10:48Ryan Clark?

  Like I think the thing is, you know, like, other people try to put themselves in your position. You persevered through all this. You feel like you've seen worse than what you've even gone through. But for people who haven't, it makes them uncomfortable. Like, like, they can't even understand how you are so comfortable. They can't understand what you've been through, how you've gotten through it, and where you are now. And I think for them, it's not that they, they don't know how you're gonna be, they just don't know how to be. And I think, and getting to talk to you, man, and seeing your spirit, like, when people are around you, the reason you affect them is not because of what's on the outside. Right. It's because of who you are on the inside.

• 1:11:31Ryan Clark?

  And that's your parents coming here in 1983. That's your father being who he's always been. Your mom. For sure. Still wanting to work, man. So we just appreciate your time, bro. I appreciate y'all. We hope you get back out, too, man. Yeah, for sure.

• 1:11:43Fred Taylor?

  No, Jack's milk can use the help. Five and a half?

• 1:11:46Ryan Clark?

  He's gonna get five and a half.

• 1:11:50Ryan Clark?

  Hey, I should've asked the Juco question. Where? The Juco, hey, he got hot about that Juco. He was like, one dog say. Oh, that hit the trigger, man. Yeah, one dog say, damn, college at the kid, they put four people in there.

• 1:12:03Speaker 07

  Four, man, there's four in the world, bro.

• 1:12:29Speaker 08

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

• 1:12:39Speaker 09

  Ask your prescriber about Wegovy. Some aglitide injection, 2.4 milligrams a GLP-1. Call 1-833-4-WEGOVIE or visit wegovie.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about Wegovy. Why wait?