MFM Minisode 510

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  This is exactly right.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  911, what's your emergency?

• 0:10Speaker 02

  Please help us, they're everywhere.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  We think they're murder hornets.

• 0:15Speaker 02

  911 Nashville returns.

• 0:17Speaker 03

  It's a homicide detective down here.

• 0:19Speaker 04

  Three bodies on the ground.

• 0:20Speaker 02

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 0:23Speaker 04

  Hellson swarms upon you and upon your people.

• 0:26Speaker 03

  That's one of the plagues of the Bible.

• 0:27Speaker 04

  And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

• 0:30Speaker 02

  Bryant Philippi joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

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• 1:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Hello and welcome.

• 1:50Georgia Hardstark?

  To my favorite murder.

• 1:51Karen Kilgariff?

  That's Georgia Hardstark.

• 1:53Georgia Hardstark?

  That's Karen Kilgariff.

• 1:54Karen Kilgariff?

  And this is the minisode?

• 1:56Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right, we don't have to say shit. We don't have to make anything up. Just fucking read stories.

• 2:02Karen Kilgariff?

  It isn't fake that we can't remember how to do the correct intro for each individual. I was just like, as I was saying your name, I'm like, no.

• 2:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Not a bit.

• 2:11Karen Kilgariff?

  It isn't a bit.

• 2:13Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a bit like we have perimenopause.

• 2:16Karen Kilgariff?

  It's the easiest thing to remember. The thing you've been doing for 10 years.

• 2:21Georgia Hardstark?

  And yet.

• 2:22Karen Kilgariff?

  And yet, no.

• 2:23Georgia Hardstark?

  You go first.

• 2:24Karen Kilgariff?

  The brain says.

• 2:25Georgia Hardstark?

  No, no, no.

• 2:26Karen Kilgariff?

  No, no.

• 2:26Georgia Hardstark?

  No, no, no.

• 2:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 2:28Georgia Hardstark?

  What's that, that name? No, no, no, no, no, no.

• 2:31Karen Kilgariff?

  No.

• 2:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes. I love that.

• 2:34Karen Kilgariff?

  No, no, no, no, no, no. Well, I'm going to kick this off with a TJ Maxx horror story.

• 2:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Great.

• 2:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Boom. Let's all talk about what we like. This email begins, "Oh, hey. In high school, I worked at TJ Maxx as a sales associate and in the stockroom unloading new arrivals off the trucks. One unforgettable shipment came in the form of hundreds of boxes of olive oil. There had obviously been a mix-up, and our location was sent an ungodly amount of the same extra-large boxes of said olive oil. I kid you not, the backroom was overflowing with the stuff." The backroom at TJ Maxx, where they have literally everything.

• 3:14Georgia Hardstark?

  It's enormous, I bet.

• 3:15Karen Kilgariff?

  And now they're like, majority olive oil. "In order to get rid of this stock as fast as possible, one of the other employees was tasked with creating an olive oil end cap."

• 3:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Fun.

• 3:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Highlighting the latest and greatest fashionista find: olive oil.

• 3:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Wait, is TJ Maxx mostly clothes?

• 3:35Karen Kilgariff?

  TJ Maxx is everything. So you've got, yes, I would say,

• 3:39Georgia Hardstark?

  It's like Ross.

• 3:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Three-quarters in the center, exactly. But then on the outside, that's when you get into your beauty area. Lots of Korean skincare.

• 3:47Georgia Hardstark?

  So Home Goods or no? Like Home Goods? Okay, got it.

• 3:49Karen Kilgariff?

  And sometimes wonderful, all-clad, pan-style Home Goods, where you're like, holy shit.

• 3:55Georgia Hardstark?

  I've never lived near TJ Maxx in my life, so I've never really gone to them, but I have to. I like the style of store.

• 4:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, it's also a partnership with Home Goods. These are not endorsements.

• 4:06Georgia Hardstark?

  No, this is not an endorsement.

• 4:08Karen Kilgariff?

  My life is an endorsement of all these places, but I actually realized, I was picturing a Marshalls and describing a TJ Maxx. So I don't know if we're in family, out of.

• 4:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, they have olive oil, we know that.

• 4:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Here's what's important. They're the largest exporter of olive oil, second to Tuscany. "So, I was helping a customer check out when chaos erupted from the back of the store. After the loudest crash I have ever heard, you could start to hear glass shattering left and right. Soon the sound of glass was met with the sound of frantic screaming. I raced to the back of the store only to witness the greatest horror I have ever seen. The employee making the end cap had filled the fragile glass shelves with hundreds of extra-large olive oil bottles. Buckling under the sheer weight of this load, the top glass shelf gave way, cascading down into the four other glass shelves below."

• 5:02Georgia Hardstark?

  It's like a champagne fountain, but with fucking glass and olive oil.

• 5:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes. If the champagne fountain exploded and then congealed. The shelves below contained, you guessed it, even more olive oil. What was left was an ocean of broken glass and slow creeping golden liquid oozing its way across the store and lowering everyone's cholesterol level.

• 5:24Georgia Hardstark?

  All the way.

• 5:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Employees and customers were left frantically fleeing from the spreading viscous goop. After several minutes of panic and an urgent closure of the store. Store's closed now.

• 5:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah, absolutely.

• 5:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Shut it down. And then here's me squatting in the Korean skincare section.

• 5:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Like, I refuse to leave.

• 5:43Karen Kilgariff?

  There's three things I haven't had here. "After several minutes of panic and an urgent closure of the store, we were faced with a greater horror: cleaning up gallons of olive oil off the floor, most of which had spread quite a far away from the initial disaster point and underneath several aisles of shelving. In total, the cleanup lasted well over six hours with the help of 10 employees and managers." "To this day, the sound of this tragic event still haunts my dreams. Stay sexy and be nice to store associates. They don't make enough for this shit."

• 6:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Nope.

• 6:18Karen Kilgariff?

  And that's from Bryant.

• 6:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow, there's some things that like, you just don't want to spill because cleanup's going to be a nightmare?

• 6:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 6:26Georgia Hardstark?

  And olive oil's on that list, the top of it.

• 6:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Just the like, and also like, you have a paper towel, but you're scraping glass as you get the goop up? So it's like getting in your palm? Getting in your, it's nightmare. If you have a retail nightmare story, please write in.

• 6:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Retail nightmare stories are great, we want them.

• 6:46Georgia Hardstark?

  This is actually on a wavelength, near it, but not at all. You know, I did the Lane Bryant murder story recently. So that was episode 552, "She Was Such a Cat." And here's a follow-up that I actually read when I was doing my research for it. It's really interesting, okay. "Hello all. On February 1st, 2008, my sister-in-law Erica was ending her shift at a Lane Bryant clothing store in Tinley Park, Illinois. Erica was closing up with her boss Rhoda the evening before her birthday. Rhoda surprised Erica, letting her know that she had taken her off the schedule the next morning, allowing her to celebrate her birthday. Erica thanked her and they left for the night. The next day, February 2nd, we received a call from a tearful Erica

• 7:30Georgia Hardstark?

  letting us know that there had been a mass murder at Lane Bryant on the day she had been intended to work. Shortly after opening that Saturday morning, a male carrying himself as a delivery man entered the store. He eventually pulled a gun, demanded the money from the register, as well as the money and jewelry from the employees and customers. He guided the group to the backroom, and around 10:45 a.m., four customers, a part-time employee, and Rhoda were all shot. Rhoda was the manager, and she was the brave one who called 911. She like, wanted her employee to have her birthday off."

• 8:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 8:02Georgia Hardstark?

  "Five of the six were killed. The sixth woman, a store employee, had suffered a gunshot wound to the neck, though survived and played dead, waiting for the gunman to leave. Despite the murder happening in a busy shopping center, a detailed sketch from a surviving employee, involvement of federal and international law enforcement, and nearly 7,500 tips, the shooter remains unknown to this day. Erica has dealt with a lot of guilt, knowing she was originally on the schedule to work that morning. She now works as a special education teacher, and I can't think of a more patient and caring person to do the job. We were all devastated by the loss of five innocent people that morning, but I'm so thankful that Erica was spared and is here to be an auntie to our two kiddos, Allison." And then I looked it up, and this was written 2018,

• 8:46Georgia Hardstark?

  and the person who wrote it, Allison and her husband, now have a true crime podcast.

• 8:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, wow.

• 8:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Where they talk about this. It's called Crime and Coffee Couple. And it's hosted by Allison, the writer, and Mike.

• 8:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Nice.

• 8:58Georgia Hardstark?

  I can't imagine how awful Erica must feel, but like, clearly, there's no guilt there that she should be feeling.

• 9:05Karen Kilgariff?

  Right, isn't that the weirdest thing? We're obvious, that's so obvious to us? And then it's like, and yet, when you go through a thing like that, that is what you are left to feel.

• 9:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 9:14Karen Kilgariff?

  It feels like, yeah, hopefully, I mean, it's been a long time. I bet you, when they solve this case, that will alleviate some of that. And hopefully, that happens soon.

• 9:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, for it staying unsolved that long and being in that position's got to be rough.

• 9:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes, yeah.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  911, what's your emergency?

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Please help us, they're everywhere. We think they're murder hornets.

• 9:40Speaker 02

  911 Nashville returns.

• 9:43Speaker 03

  It's a homicide detective down here.

• 9:44Speaker 04

  Three bodies on the ground.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  With emergencies of biblical proportions.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Hellson swarms upon you and upon your people.

• 9:51Speaker 03

  That's one of the plagues of the Bible.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  And somebody's unleashing them on Nashville.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Bryant Philippi joins 911 Nashville. All new Thursdays on ABC, next day on Hulu.

• 10:02Speaker 00

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• 10:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, we'll take a 180 turn.

• 11:02Karen Kilgariff?

  And the subject line of this email is "Childhood Hijinks From the 90s." So, right? We'll just go somewhere else. And it says, "Friends, Romans, and countrymen lend me your ears." And then in parentheses, it says, "Eyes?"

• 11:16Karen Kilgariff?

  "I am a child of the 90s and have the quintessential tale to tell. I'm the youngest of three children and was fiercely independent." And that, in parentheses, it says, "In the words of my mother, from early days." Yeah, that's your mom being like, "You're so fiercely independent, make your own lunch."

• 11:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 11:33Karen Kilgariff?

  "The combination of my sass and my siblings being older meant that my parents didn't feel the need to be so invested in my every move, when they probably still should have been." Yeah, that's right. But hey, it was the 90s, they had busy lives, and since we didn't have TiVo, there was an urgency around catching your shows when they aired live. "One fateful night, my parents were juggling watching an unnamed television show and getting ready for date night. Our babysitter had not yet arrived, but my siblings and I were used to doing our own thing. And my sister probably felt annoyed at the idea that they were getting her a babysitter because she was 11, which in her mind meant she was basically an adult. My brother and sister both had televisions in their rooms, rich, but I did not.

• 12:17Karen Kilgariff?

  As such, I usually found more creative ways to entertain myself. The babysitter arrived and my parents were calling my siblings and I to kiss them goodbye before they were off to dinner and a show. After about 10 minutes, I did not come to greet them, and they started to worry. I was not privy to what happened next, but I'm told that my parents became more and more frantic. They had left the front door unlocked for the babysitter. Had I run outside, had someone snuck in and nabbed me, their imaginations went wild and they tore the house apart. They canceled dinner reservations. They worried that every worst parent's nightmare was happening to them. After 30 minutes, my parents called the police and reported me missing."

• 12:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Do we know how old she was, or no?

• 12:58Karen Kilgariff?

  Six.

• 12:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, six, okay.

• 13:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. "The cops came over, talked to them, and began helping my parents search the house while additional officers were going to come and canvass the surrounding area. It was quite a frenzy, I am told. They were within minutes of issuing a brand-new thing at the time called an Amber Alert.

• 13:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 13:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Imagine the surprise when I woke up dazed and confused to a cop screaming, 'She's here, she's here, she's alive,' from my cozy, dark, perfectly six-year-old-sized nest in the back of a neglected coat closet. That's right, no dramatic exit, no nefarious criminal, no foul play, just a youngest sibling trying to escape all the hubbub of a noisy house and get some quality shut-eye. I not only got into the closet, but ducked back behind a few paintings, under some coats, and in the very corner where my brain decided it would be the darkest and the quietest, I even brought a juice box so I could wind down before falling into a deep slumber. To this day, I am still in search of a sleep that deep and restorative."

• 13:59Georgia Hardstark?

  That sounds nice, honestly, like, take me there.

• 14:02Karen Kilgariff?

  It's all like, kind of, the, everything is muffled and quiet.

• 14:06Georgia Hardstark?

  You've got your juice box?

• 14:07Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep, no one's touching you or screaming. "Stay sexy and tell someone if you're going to barricade yourself into a soundproof cocoon for a couple of hours, M., she, her."

• 14:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God. Yeah.

• 14:19Karen Kilgariff?

  But being woken up by a screaming cop is the craziest.

• 14:23Georgia Hardstark?

  That's terrifying.

• 14:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Dang.

• 14:25Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 14:26Karen Kilgariff?

  And also, I'm sorry to say, that is the difference of being a 90s kid and being a 70s kid.

• 14:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, they wouldn't have looked for you at all, right?

• 14:33Karen Kilgariff?

  They would have been long fucking gone. No one would have looked for you. I would have woken up, like, back there, forgotten that's what I went in there for, and then gotten scared.

• 14:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 14:42Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 14:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Date night would not have been canceled. All right, I'm not gonna tell you the subject. "Hi, ladies. In my senior year of high school, each student was required to participate in a senior service project. Some students would go help at the Humane Society or a local soup kitchen. There was also an option to go on a week-long service trip to Honduras, where you would be able to help a community by building a library, picking coffee beans, etc. My older sister went on this trip her senior year and loved it so naturally, I followed in her first steps. My mom was also able to join us for the trip along with four other chaperones and five students. We had an incredible week of helping out in the little mountain town of Monte Verde."

• 15:21Karen Kilgariff?

  Monte Verde?

• 15:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Monte Verde. Yeah. Per tradition. That's gotta be it.

• 15:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah. You're like, sure, I like that pronunciation. Please, please write in about how wrong.

• 15:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Because the translation that they wrote is not Monte Verde, as you would think it is.

• 15:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Also, I do not speak Spanish, or any, I don't speak Portuguese, no, no language.

• 15:43Georgia Hardstark?

  The tradition says, "Munthe Berde."

• 15:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Munthe Berde?

• 15:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Mm-hmm. So that sounds, it sounded right when you did it.

• 15:50Karen Kilgariff?

  Here, but we'll dub that over for George.

• 15:52Georgia Hardstark?

  "Per tradition, the last day of the trip was designated Fun Day. The plan was to go hiking and swimming as the scenery around us was incredibly beautiful. We had a local woman guiding us, who only spoke Spanish, we did not, and the rest of us followed as she led us through the lush green mountainside. After hiking for a bit, we stopped at a clearing near a ravine. There was rushing water to swim in and rocks to climb on, and like teenagers do when instructed to have fun, we were being loud, screaming, jumping in the water, laughing, and splashing around. All of the sudden, faster than my brain could even process, thousands of bees started swarming our groove." Didn't think that was gonna happen, did you?

• 16:33Karen Kilgariff?

  I'm just like, what, what was it?

• 16:35Georgia Hardstark?

  It's hard for me to remember specifics, but all I could hear in that moment was screaming, and then someone yelling at us to jump in the water. Luckily, I was standing next to my mom, and we both were able to jump in together. As the strong current pushed us down the ravine, we were slamming against rocks, bobbing in and out of the water to wash off the bees, and also trying not to drown. When coming up for air, all I could see was my other classmates covered in bees, all caps. So much so that I couldn't even see their skin below it. I'm like, what kind of, like Honduras bees? What kind of bees are we talking, tropical bees?

• 17:10Karen Kilgariff?

  That's quite a swarm. And also, that it just reminds me of the man with the beard of bees.

• 17:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 17:15Karen Kilgariff?

  Where it's just like, Jesus Christ.

• 17:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, right. "It was truly straight out of a horror film. I tried to go limp and cover my head on the way down, hoping it wouldn't slam too hard against a rock. I was also trying to keep track of my mom, who was in front of me. The current pushed us to the end of the ravine, where thousands of bees floated in the water and all of us were catching our breath. Some of my classmates, who were out of the water when the bees attacked, were completely covered in stingers and needed medical attention ASAP. One boy was allergic to bees, and another boy was falling in and out of consciousness."

• 17:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Holy.

• 17:49Georgia Hardstark?

  "My mom, a nurse, and another chaperone, a doctor and his daughter, who was in college at the time, sprung into action, carrying the badly stung kids up a huge hillside to get to a nearby road. A reminder that we were alone in the mountains of Honduras, the local guide was gone, probably running from the bees as well."

• 18:06Karen Kilgariff?

  He's the one that knocked the whole beehive off them.

• 18:08Georgia Hardstark?

  Bye.

• 18:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 18:10Georgia Hardstark?

  "And our phones were too, there was no service anyways. We eventually waved a motorcyclist down and explained with hand gestures that we needed help. We were able to get a ride to a nearby birthing center, which was the closest thing they had to a hospital. The birthing center had no electricity, but they did have an epinephrine pen."

• 18:26Karen Kilgariff?

  Wow.

• 18:27Georgia Hardstark?

  "After calming everyone down, giving medication to those who needed it, and picking out stingers from people's skin, we all ended up okay. Traumatized, but okay. When we flew home the next day, we looked insane. Our faces were so swollen and misshapen from the bee sting welts and swelling. Let's just say, we were the last class that went to Honduras."

• 18:46Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 18:47Georgia Hardstark?

  It's not their fault.

• 18:48Karen Kilgariff?

  That's right, that's right. They ruined it for everybody.

• 18:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly. So I guess, in the spirit of forgiveness, the message is, "Stay sexy and save the bees, JJ."

• 18:57Karen Kilgariff?

  JJ, I relate to your trauma. I've was, I've also been covered in bees.

• 19:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Have you?

• 19:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh, yeah, you've heard that story.

• 19:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Probably, as a kid?

• 19:05Karen Kilgariff?

  You just listen to this podcast.

• 19:07Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't listen to this podcast.

• 19:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, I was 12, and we took a big length of PVC pipe and drove it into the ground. We put a bucket over the top of a, I think it's the hornets' nests that are in-ground.

• 19:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, God.

• 19:23Karen Kilgariff?

  And then it, the bucket turned black. So then we went and got a big pipe to knock the PVC bucket off of where it was. And we're like, one, two, three.

• 19:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Thinking you were far enough away? No, you just pissed them off, and they were like, ew.

• 19:36Karen Kilgariff?

  We knocked the bucket off, and then the pipe went straight into the hole, and then a swarm of bees rose up out of the ground. I can't believe you don't know this story. We watched it rise up out of the ground, pause.

• 19:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Turn to you.

• 19:50Karen Kilgariff?

  And then come at us like that. It was fucking nutso. And we ran, and we were covered in bees, and the back-

• 19:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Those weren't bees, hornets and bees, like, let's not call them the same thing.

• 20:00Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 20:01Georgia Hardstark?

  They're, like, that is terrifying.

• 20:03Karen Kilgariff?

  It was like a cartoon. I almost laughed as it was happening, because it was truly like-

• 20:08Georgia Hardstark?

  When I do, but like-

• 20:09Karen Kilgariff?

  Yep, they're like, oh, you there, like, the shape of a hand pointing at you. And then I ran to our back door. We lived five miles out of town, the back door was locked, so I couldn't get inside. It was nuts.

• 20:20Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 20:21Karen Kilgariff?

  And we, I also sat there, I can't imagine traveling like that, because I had like my baking soda poultice all, like, head to toe, just covered in bee stings. My parents still went out to dinner.

• 20:36Karen Kilgariff?

  They went out to dinner.

• 20:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Of course they did.

• 20:38Karen Kilgariff?

  They're like, you're good, right?

• 20:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, you're, she's not moving. She's not going anywhere.

• 20:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Is she gonna have anaphylactic shock? We don't know.

• 20:46Karen Kilgariff?

  It, look, she's very dramatic. She might call us if you get anaphylactic shock.

• 20:51Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't even know if that's what anaphylactic shock is.

• 20:53Karen Kilgariff?

  I think it is.

• 20:53Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay, great.

• 20:54Karen Kilgariff?

  No, you're, you're dead on. I think my sister might have been slightly nice to me that night. I think that's, that was the big difference.

• 21:01Georgia Hardstark?

  That's all it took.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  911, what's your emergency? Please help us, they're everywhere. We think they're murder hornets.

• 21:11Speaker 02

  911 Nashville returns.

• 21:14Speaker 03

  It's a homicide detective down here.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  Three bodies on the ground.

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• 22:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Here's my last one. I am not going to read you the subject line. It says, Dear Karen in Georgia, my name is Joanne and I'm a longtime listener from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. I'm 73 years old. I wanted to thank you for your 9/11 episode on the unsung heroes of the 88th floor of the Twin Towers. That's my story.

• 22:47Georgia Hardstark?

  I remember that one.

• 22:48Karen Kilgariff?

  That's my credit.

• 22:49Georgia Hardstark?

  That I remember.

• 22:50Karen Kilgariff?

  This you know. The main hero Frank DiMartini touched my heart so deeply. I listened to the episode at least three times. The story felt so significant and brave that I played the first 15 minutes as a reflection for my prayer group on 9/11.

• 23:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God.

• 23:07Karen Kilgariff?

  The group was very receptive.

• 23:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Prayer, what? She played such a... We shouldn't be anywhere near a prayer group. Like, we are not permitted to be within five yards of a prayer group.

• 23:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Joanne believes in us? And if we've convinced Joanne...

• 23:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, Joanne believes in us.

• 23:24Karen Kilgariff?

  To the point where she's bringing it to the prayer group?

• 23:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 23:27Karen Kilgariff?

  Well, listen to this. So, I know.

• 23:29Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm like sweating.

• 23:30Karen Kilgariff?

  For real. I'm like, how many times did we say the F-word during that episode?

• 23:34Georgia Hardstark?

  And me going, Jesus fucking Christ. Over and over again.

• 23:37Karen Kilgariff?

  I started an episode recently just kind of making Jesus jokes in general.

• 23:42Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right, we did that, that's right.

• 23:43Karen Kilgariff?

  Although, 12 years at Catholic school, it's earned.

• 23:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, anyway, here's the good news. The group was very receptive and after listening, we continued to pray special intentions for the victims, families, and survivors of this tragedy. It opened the way for us to share our own experiences and memories from that day as well. Something else happened that felt meant to be. On 9/11, I came across the live reading of the names of those who died. It was happening live in real time. They were reading the last names that started with D. I stopped and listened, and I heard the name Francis Albert DiMartini read aloud. I felt honored to hear his name.

• 24:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 24:24Karen Kilgariff?

  Joanne, you're getting me. I felt I was supposed to hear it. Thank you for telling Frank's story and honoring him and the other heroes of the 88th floor. I wanted you to know that you now have reached a point in your podcast career where an episode was used as a topic for a prayer group reflection.

• 24:40Georgia Hardstark?

  The first time in history of this podcast, I hope.

• 24:45Karen Kilgariff?

  I mean, I think we have had a nun write in.

• 24:47Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 24:48Karen Kilgariff?

  So, we have, we've creeped up to the edge of the spiritual community.

• 24:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, maybe we need to make more Stay Saved and Do God's Missions merch.

• 24:56Karen Kilgariff?

  Right.

• 24:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Just for...

• 24:57Karen Kilgariff?

  I bet Joanne would love that story. Joanne, if you would go and ask other murderer and us to tell you the Stay Saved and Do God's Missions story, I think you'll really enjoy it. And perhaps the prayer group will too. Now, I'm acting all like, and perhaps? Okay. Your work brought reverence and comfort to us.

• 25:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow. Do they know I'm Jewish?

• 25:16Karen Kilgariff?

  I think they like that you're Jewish.

• 25:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 25:20Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay, then it says, with gratitude and appreciation, Joanne Jaeger Stachovich.

• 25:25Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow. Amazing.

• 25:28Karen Kilgariff?

  I know.

• 25:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, tell your Bible study people we say hi. And tell Jesus we say what's up.

• 25:36Karen Kilgariff?

  Joanne, if you could put in a good word and just let everybody upstairs know, we've been doing our best sometimes. And then the other times, we didn't do our best intentionally.

• 25:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 25:50Karen Kilgariff?

  We've been trying to make up for that.

• 25:51Georgia Hardstark?

  And we're aware that we weren't doing our best. We've never thought, like, we've never been cocky about our best.

• 25:57Karen Kilgariff?

  No, we've been very invested in less than our best.

• 26:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 26:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Thinking it was kind of a look.

• 26:03Georgia Hardstark?

  But mindfully.

• 26:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Mindfully and with humor.

• 26:06Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right. And what more can Jesus fucking want from us? Okay, last one's, polygraph test. Hey, MFM team, longtime listener, several times emailer, hoping this one does it.

• 26:16Karen Kilgariff?

  We'll see. Oh, wait, it's happening.

• 26:18Georgia Hardstark?

  It's happening. I work as a forensic scientist for a state crime lab.

• 26:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Cool.

• 26:24Georgia Hardstark?

  The State Department I work for has several various divisions, including a training academy that outside agencies can send law enforcement officials to. The training programs sometimes require the use of non-law enforcement volunteers and that's where the nerds at the crime lab come in.

• 26:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Hey.

• 26:39Georgia Hardstark?

  They ask for volunteers for field sobriety tests. They get us drunk and then have us pretend we got stopped while driving.

• 26:45Karen Kilgariff?

  Really?

• 26:46Georgia Hardstark?

  That's your job.

• 26:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Where do they get drunk?

• 26:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Karen's like, where do I sign up? I had to.

• 26:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Do they get to go in the back office? Or they get to go to a bar and then come back to work?

• 26:55Georgia Hardstark?

  I can't imagine they get to have fun first.

• 26:57Karen Kilgariff?

  But wouldn't it be more realistic as a test? If they were really having fun?

• 27:02Georgia Hardstark?

  We need to know this too. You can't just write this and then not tell us.

• 27:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah, come on.

• 27:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Also, they do rapport building interviews. Officers sit down and try to build a relationship quickly to get you talking about feelings. Like, so Karen, how's the, you know?

• 27:16Karen Kilgariff?

  Try to do it, try to get me to do it.

• 27:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Hey.

• 27:19Karen Kilgariff?

  Hey.

• 27:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Your skin looks incredible.

• 27:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Thank you, my God, that makes me feel so gorgeous.

• 27:24Georgia Hardstark?

  There you go, I knew it immediately. I'd be so good at this.

• 27:27Karen Kilgariff?

  You just glass skin me, yep. And here's what I do to you. Hey, cats.

• 27:33Georgia Hardstark?

  I love cats. Oh, you did it. That was great.

• 27:37Karen Kilgariff?

  We did it.

• 27:38Georgia Hardstark?

  And polygraph tests, that's the other training.

• 27:41Karen Kilgariff?

  Okay.

• 27:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Do I think the science behind polygraph testing is unreliable? Yes. But if presented with a benign opportunity, do I want to be hooked up to a polygraph machine? Also, yes.

• 27:51Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 27:52Georgia Hardstark?

  And that's how I ended up in a random office building on campus with myself and two other women wielding Nerf guns so we could, quote, "shoot" a person I'd never met before and then lie about it when hooked up to the polygraph.

• 28:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Oh.

• 28:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Because they actually have to do the action to really see if they're lying.

• 28:08Karen Kilgariff?

  Because the brain...

• 28:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 28:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 28:11Georgia Hardstark?

  The brain.

• 28:11Karen Kilgariff?

  It'll be like, it is a factual truth that you shot someone.

• 28:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 28:14Karen Kilgariff?

  It's just not, yeah.

• 28:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly. The officer assigned to me chatted with me for a while. We bonded over baseball, talking about how frustrating it is that the Houston Astros are considered the 2017 World Series champions, even though, but, hold, real quick, I have nothing to do with this.

• 28:30Karen Kilgariff?

  We're getting looped into a cheating scandal side, to taking a side.

• 28:34Georgia Hardstark?

  I've never even heard of this. So, if you have a beef with this, it's not with us.

• 28:38Karen Kilgariff?

  Bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep. I'm going to bleep you while you say it.

• 28:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Houston Astros are considered the 2017 World Champions, even though it's been proven that they lied and cheated and then discuss the shooting, quote, shooting that took place on campus. So, nothing to do with me.

• 28:52Karen Kilgariff?

  This entire email was only written for them to get that word out.

• 28:56Georgia Hardstark?

  It's written by whoever the other team was who are mad that they lost. And I don't know who that is.

• 29:01Karen Kilgariff?

  It's the Browns. The Cleveland Browns.

• 29:03Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 29:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Uh, no, that's a football team. I'm just being intentionally ignorant about sports.

• 29:09Georgia Hardstark?

  This is how much we don't know. Okay. After denying any knowledge and involvement of the shooting, I was hooked up to the polygraph machine and asked the control questions, both known truths and known lies. And the case-specific questions, where I denied any involvement in the shootings. We went through the questions three times and at the end, the officer looked at me and said, now Sarah, I can tell you're a good person. Maybe you got in over your head, but the polygraph is telling me that you're not being honest what really happened. Everyone remember that cops can lie to you.

• 29:39Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 29:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Just bold.

• 29:40Karen Kilgariff?

  They're absolutely allowed to lie to you.

• 29:41Georgia Hardstark?

  They are allowed to lie to you. But I don't think that's what's happening. I admitted maybe knowing a little bit more, throwing one of the other women under the bus completely. Sorry, Kathy, it says. But sticking to the not being anywhere near the shooting. The officer kept pushing. It went back and forth for a while and finally, he said, quote, "Don't be like the 2017 Astros. Be honest here." And that's what broke me. I admitted to the shooting because I refused to have anything in common with those cheaters.

• 30:08Karen Kilgariff?

  So, here's, this is a form of cheating. You've written us an email that's supposed to be about something else, but your agenda is shining through.

• 30:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 30:19Karen Kilgariff?

  And now that's all we can hear.

• 30:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Write in at myfavoritemurder@gmail and tell us what really happened.

• 30:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Here comes a legal letter from Major League Baseball. You're not allowed to talk about this.

• 30:29Georgia Hardstark?

  I want to ask them about this when I get home. I should ask them. After I got unhooked and we broke from our roles, the evaluating officer showed me the results and said, quote, "We don't get measurements like this in the real world, showing me all the numbers that expose me as a terrible liar," which was honestly the most on-brand part of this whole experience. I kind of want to be, I kind of want to try it.

• 30:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Also, they're congratulating themselves for not being a liar.

• 30:51Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 30:52Karen Kilgariff?

  This whole thing has taken a turn.

• 30:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, you're right. Stay sexy and remember that the 2017 Houston Astros are cheaters.

• 31:02Karen Kilgariff?

  Stop using our platform for your agenda.

• 31:06Georgia Hardstark?

  From the Cleveland Browns. I mean, Sarah, from Sarah.

• 31:10Karen Kilgariff?

  The Cleveland Browns. That's hilarious.

• 31:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Explain to us what happened. Myfavoritemurder@gmail, if you have a good story of what happened, it's like succinct.

• 31:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 31:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Send it in.

• 31:23Karen Kilgariff?

  Also, I can tell you, I'll write in an email about what happened in that email. Someone's like, I'm going to use my clout as a forensic, like...

• 31:31Georgia Hardstark?

  That's sizable in this, in this room.

• 31:34Karen Kilgariff?

  In this room?

• 31:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 31:35Karen Kilgariff?

  We're like, come on in. We'd love for you to have the floor for your story.

• 31:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, and then switcheroo.

• 31:39Karen Kilgariff?

  And then it's like, I'm here to get my baseball agenda going. Take that shit over to fucking Barstool Sports. We don't care.

• 31:48Georgia Hardstark?

  This is not and never has been a Barstool Sports podcast.

• 31:55Karen Kilgariff?

  Although, we might do a spinoff, a sports spinoff.

• 31:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow, this has been messy. Send us your emails at myfavoritemurder@gmail.

• 32:04Karen Kilgariff?

  Please know that it truly can be about any topic except for the 2017 Houston Astros cheating scandal.

• 32:10Georgia Hardstark?

  From the side of pro-Houston, anti-Houston.

• 32:13Karen Kilgariff?

  Yes.

• 32:14Georgia Hardstark?

  Otherwise, anything.

• 32:16Karen Kilgariff?

  The anti-Houston side has been expressed.

• 32:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 32:19Karen Kilgariff?

  If you want to come with pro...

• 32:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Come at us.

• 32:22Karen Kilgariff?

  Although I did bleep you and yell over you the entire time.

• 32:24Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean... Thanks for listening.

• 32:28Karen Kilgariff?

  Stay sexy.

• 32:28Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered. Goodbye. Very important for you to know, the other team in question is the Dodgers, our home team. Oh, no, keep this on. Keep this, keep recording. How dare you?

• 32:45Karen Kilgariff?

  You somehow, wait, no, no. How dare you the cheaters or how dare you?

• 32:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Accuse, oh, wait, no. Okay, I get it. Okay.

• 32:53Karen Kilgariff?

  We'd be on the email side.

• 32:54Georgia Hardstark?

  So they won.

• 32:56Karen Kilgariff?

  So we're gonna take two.

• 32:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Unfairly.

• 32:58Karen Kilgariff?

  And I won't interrupt you at all.

• 33:01Karen Kilgariff?

  Actually, I will keep my stance because I'm a Giants. I'm from the Giants.

• 33:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, that's right.

• 33:06Karen Kilgariff?

  Yeah.

• 33:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. All right. Well, I still don't know what's happening.

• 33:09Karen Kilgariff?

  This whole thing is a real area we don't need to get into.

• 33:13Georgia Hardstark?

  And I refuse to care.

• 33:14Karen Kilgariff?

  Although.

• 33:15Georgia Hardstark?

  By principle.

• 33:16Karen Kilgariff?

  What if this is the engagement? This is the content engagement churn that begins.

• 33:22Georgia Hardstark?

  This is what we've been waiting for, to get those numbers up.

• 33:25Karen Kilgariff?

  Baseball problems.

• 33:29Karen Kilgariff?

  Stay sexy.

• 33:29Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered.

• 33:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Go Dodgers baseball, bye.

• 33:34Karen Kilgariff?

  Giants forever. Elvis, do you want a cookie?

• 33:44Karen Kilgariff?

  This has been an Exactly Right Production.

• 33:46Georgia Hardstark?

  Our managing producer is Molly Smith.

• 33:48Karen Kilgariff?

  Our consulting producer is Kate Schellbach.

• 33:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Our creative lead is Allison Agosti.

• 33:52Karen Kilgariff?

  Our associate producer is Tessa Hughes and our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

• 33:57Georgia Hardstark?

  This episode was mixed by Liana Scolacci.

• 33:59Karen Kilgariff?

  Email your hometowns to [email protected] and follow the show on Instagram at MyFavoriteMurder.

• 34:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Listen to My Favorite Murder on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 34:10Karen Kilgariff?

  Or watch new episodes every week on Netflix. Search for My Favorite Murder, add us to your list, and hit the double thumbs up button. Goodbye.

• 34:24Karen Kilgariff?

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• 34:37Karen Kilgariff?

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• 34:53Georgia Hardstark?

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• 35:37Speaker 01

  I'm Lacey Mosley, author, actor, stand-up comedian, creator, and host of Scam Goddess Podcast, the true crime comedy podcast all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Each week I bring on an amazing guest. Ooh, I scam them. What? I could talk to you for an hour. You're a generational yapper, like me. That's why I had to make yapping a job. And now you can catch full episodes of my show on YouTube. Start listening to Scam Goddess on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.