#2270 - Bridget Phetasy

Bridget Phetasy is a writer and stand-up comedian. She hosts the show “Dumpster Fire" and also the podcast “Walk-Ins Welcome.” www.phetasy.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience. Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Raw horse.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  This is the thing is, no one's happy with just being like, a little successful. You get a little successful and then they want to get more.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Is that everyone, though?

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. Is it you, Bridgette?

• 0:22Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm, I'm a little successful.

• 0:25Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 0:26Speaker 01

  And I'm happy.

• 0:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's like, I don't know. You just gotta find why you're doing it. You don't want to just be on a hamster wheel.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Well, I think it's easy to get lost in chasing more. You know, like, I'm, I'm an addict, so it's very, I try to stay away from analytics and all that stuff because I can become hyper-focused and obsessed with them.

• 0:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  And one of the reasons that, after I did, um, who was it? I was opening for Lando, and I, we would go out and just talk to the people after the show, and it was, it was, they were like, "Oh, my gosh, I love Watkins, welcome, I love dumpster fire." And it was like, such a good reminder that you get, like, chasing numbers, and it was like, "Oh, no, these are not just numbers, they're people." Unless you're like, buying bots, but I think it can be easy to just be, get on that hamster wheel and start being like, "We need more, we need more downloads, we need more."

• 1:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  And more, more and more, and then you forget, and I never want to take the audience we have for granted.

• 1:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29Speaker 01

  You know, like, they're, they're amazing. They're, they've been with, some of these people have been with me for, forever.

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of the key to it all, right? Is always have, I mean, it sounds so corny because it's such like, a new wellness way of looking at things. Have gratitude, always have gratitude. But gratitude is like, very important. It's really important to be thankful for what you have.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it was, it was... It was one of the key things in getting sober. I think when I've dealt with like anxiety, depression, other things in my life, gratitude is, it is a powerful mechanism for like shifting your, your perspective because you can get into that feeling of like not being enough, not having enough, not

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11Speaker 01

  It never being enough.

• 2:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, Brian Callen was telling me about his buddy who's a billionaire. His buddy's worth like three billion dollars and he feels like he's poor because he's friends with people who have a hundred billion dollars.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, imagine.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  No, I mean, this, when I was dating this very wealthy guy who is like probably half of a billionaire, you know, like 500 millionaire. And we were in Saint-Tropez and he, we, he felt poor.

• 2:37Joe Rogan?

  (laughing)

• 2:40Speaker 01

  I remember being, I remember it so vividly. I was in the shower and he, he loved me because I was like this like poor backpacker that was like entertaining.

• 2:50Joe Rogan?

  Bohemian, yeah.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, he's like, "Look at this entertaining."

• 2:52Joe Rogan?

  She's an artist.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  He wanted me to be like his pet monkey that came around and just like made him laugh. And I gave him shit and I think guys like that are used to be, you get surrounded by yes men too at a certain

• 3:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, for sure.

• 3:04Speaker 01

  And you don't have people like taking the piss out of you. And so I would make fun of him for his boring stories about his mattresses that people would sit there. I'm like, "Why are you guys listening to this guy talk about a mattress for an hour?" And he was, I was in the shower and he was talking about how he and his friends got together and he's like, "You know, we sat around and we were talking and he's, and there is a certain level at which you can be happy no matter what." And I thought I had been rubbing off on him. Like, "Oh, my yogi spirituality is running, rubbing off on me."

• 3:38Joe Rogan?

  What did he get to, like 10 billion?

• 3:39Speaker 01

  And he goes, "No," he goes, "and it's 250 million dollars."

• 3:42Joe Rogan?

  (laughing)

• 3:45Speaker 01

  I was crying laughing.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Where does that leave the rest of us schmucks, by the way?

• 3:54Joe Rogan?

  That's so funny.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Carrera Marvel friggin shower.

• 3:58Joe Rogan?

  Imagine the thought that the only way you could ever be happy is with 250 million dollars.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  That's the minimum.

• 4:06Joe Rogan?

  I know some people worth 250 million dollars are miserable as fuck.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, no.

• 4:10Joe Rogan?

  It's not gonna do it.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 4:12Joe Rogan?

  It's not gonna do it at all.

• 4:13Speaker 01

  I was like, I'm sorry, where does that leave people like me?

• 4:16Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 4:17Speaker 01

  Don't have.

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  You need, I think you need a few things. You need your health, above and all.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't matter how rich you are.

• 4:24Joe Rogan?

  That's number one. Number two is you have to have friends. If you, if you're just like the man and everybody's kissing your ass and you're, you know, you're, you're the head of this giant business and you live in a bubble and you're not happy. That's not happy. Happy is you have to have colleagues. You have to have companions, comrades. You have, you have people that you're, you're like them. You get to hang together, go to dinner and laugh and hug each other.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:51Joe Rogan?

  Have fun.

• 4:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:53Joe Rogan?

  Enjoy your life.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  I was thinking about even the other night in the green room, like it keeps, it's like everyone takes the piss out of each other. It doesn't fucking matter what level you're at, who you are, everybody's talking shit. It keeps everybody, it doesn't matter. Like you can walk out that door and be very famous, but in that room, it's just comedians talking shit.

• 5:14Joe Rogan?

  It's a beautiful environment to keep your head straight.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  It's very, it's necessary, I think, too. And, and, and it is like, even though you might think you want yes men all around you, it just, it's, I think, what I've learned even just from being around rich guys who I give a lot, talk a lot of shit to is they don't really want that.

• 5:34Joe Rogan?

  No. It's uncomfortable. You don't want yes men around you. You want people that are making fun of you.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  And also, how are you gonna, like, you need people to push back.

• 5:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I think it also depends on what is your personality. Some people are like very deeply, deeply insecure and they really almost desire yes men just to maintain stability. It's, some people are very weird, you know, and you don't know it because their public face is that they're normal. You know, their public face when they're getting interviewed, they know how to like turn it on for five minutes, but then when you're around them all day, you know, they're fucking crazy people. Which is why they're successful in the first place, which is really weird. It's like what got you to the dance is literally mental illness.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  I, I, I was talking to, I think Malice came on my podcast recently.

• 6:18Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  She's, one of my best friends, truly.

• 6:22Joe Rogan?

  Is he doing stand-up now?

• 6:23Speaker 01

  I hope he does.

• 6:24Joe Rogan?

  I'd heard he's doing stand-up. I heard he's gonna do stand-up, or he's planning on doing stand-up?

• 6:28Speaker 01

  He wants to, but here's the thing, he probably has to do it at mothership. Like, he can't be at an open mic where somebody's gonna record.

• 6:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah. Well, he could totally do mothership.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Okay, so we're gonna make that happen. Yeah, that's what I said. I was like, talk to Joe.

• 6:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'd, I'd let him go up and do a guest spot on one of my shows. Fuck it.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  He's funny, man. He's fucking funny. I, when he, when he said that, you know, that viral clip, when, uh, you know, if you, you know, you, you know, you're an ableist? And I'm like, an ableist? He's like, she's a retard.

• 7:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's so quick.

• 7:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's, his timing is excellent. Well, he's such a smart guy.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:07Joe Rogan?

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• 9:21Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, listen bitch, you need a cop just to keep me from you. What are you talking about? What are you talking about? You don't need cops. What are you talking about? Shut the fuck up. You need cops.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  But he was saying.

• 9:30Joe Rogan?

  You need cops.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:32Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to hear that nonsense.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 9:34Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to hear that no law and order nonsense. Shut the fuck up.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  I just am like, where are you in this hierarchy?

• 9:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're dead. You're dead. I'm gonna steal your food on day one. Shut the fuck up.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  First round of the purge, you're gone.

• 9:46Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck is wrong with you? You need cops.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  I feel like I'm at least second round of the purge, but.

• 9:53Joe Rogan?

  Are you armed?

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's important.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  So at least second.

• 9:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Maybe not.

• 9:57Joe Rogan?

  Do you know how to use it?

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:58Joe Rogan?

  Train?

• 9:59Speaker 01

  I do, yeah.

• 10:00Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's good.

• 10:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. I don't want to be one of those like.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 10:05Joe Rogan?

  I taught my kids how to shoot when they're very young.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you, yeah.

• 10:09Joe Rogan?

  You gotta teach them firearm safety, you know, how never have your finger on the trigger unless you're trying to shoot something. Ever, you know, ever. Don't hold the gun with your finger on the trigger. Always point it away, even if it's not loaded. Point it away from people. Point it at the ground. Point it away. If people around point it in a, in a direction where there's no human beings.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:27Joe Rogan?

  You know, understand.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Always check and see.

• 10:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, always check and see. There's not a bullet in the chamber. This is how you rack it. This is how you do it.

• 10:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:33Joe Rogan?

  It's like. You should know how to use them, just because if, God forbid, something ever happens that's horrible, your house gets broken into and, you know.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:43Joe Rogan?

  You have, you have the ability to preserve your life.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  My fear was always that I'd be in a situation, like in the movies, where somebody's wrestling with someone and then they kick the gun over and I'm the girl standing there and I'm like,

• 10:55Joe Rogan?

  What are these buttons and switches and the magazine pops out, like, fuck!

• 11:04Joe Rogan?

  And you pull the trigger, but he's not around in a chamber, like, how does this fucking thing go?

• 11:08Speaker 01

  And then there is and I accidentally shoot the hero.

• 11:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that happens. That happens. People panic, you know? If you're not used to, like, high-pressure situations and you expect to be able to shoot somebody, Jesus Christ.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Oh, so malice. Anyway, the reason I brought him up, he was talking about how many, he didn't realize how many people in podcasting were mentally ill.

• 11:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, in everything, but podcasting for sure, because, well, there's a lot of people that aren't performers that are in podcasting. I think they're even more mentally ill, because those are the people that are like deep in the fucking social media comments all day and seeing people shit on them and they're out of their fucking minds. There's a, there's a bunch of them that are just off the, and then you see them. They fight all day with each other and you see them, over the years, get progressively more and more insane and more and more aggressive to each other.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. It seems, it seems exhausting. Also, who has time for that? I, I don't understand.

• 12:04Joe Rogan?

  Not just exhausting, but detrimental. It's a tremendous waste of resources. It's really bad for you mentally, like, your own mindset, it's, it's bad if you're in conflict with someone all the time, especially if you could have avoided it. Because you don't admire yourself if you're doing that. You, there's no way, you're like, hey, I'm on the right track. There's no fucking way. There's no way. You're, you know you're retarded.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  They might be, feeling like they're on the right track. I mean, I think Elon, Elon's monetized it now, though. So these guys who are in the comments fighting, they're making, you know, two, three grand a month doing it.

• 12:38Joe Rogan?

  That's a good point. That's a different thing, right? How much are people, like, what's the highest earner on X?

• 12:44Speaker 01

  It's so random. People are making livings. I think you have to be on it constantly.

• 12:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  And that, and some people make a lot of money. When I see them post what they're making, I'm like, holy crap.

• 12:55Joe Rogan?

  How much?

• 12:56Speaker 01

  I don't know. And it seems to be people who kind of Elon will like,

• 13:00Joe Rogan?

  Boost.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, he'll, he'll like turn the eye of Sauron upon them and suddenly like they are, are, but it's very mercurial. You know, it can, it seems like it can change on a dime and.

• 13:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of people post things that are just not true and Elon reposts them.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  All the time. He uses social media like we do. I think I do more fact checking than he does.

• 13:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he doesn't, he doesn't have the time. First of all, give the guy a break. He's running like government programs along with SpaceX, along with Tesla.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  I will, I will cut him some slack, but also there, with great power comes great responsibility. You have more followers than anyone on that entire site and you're going to boost like Russian propaganda?

• 13:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was one, right? That fake talk show?

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  There was a fake talk show that he boosted. Um, the other thing that we should probably tell people is that Politico thing is not true.

• 13:53Speaker 01

  No, I know.

• 13:54Joe Rogan?

  The eight million dollar thing? The eight million dollars is eight million dollars from all the government organizations from 2016

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 14:01Joe Rogan?

  to 2024. So it's an eight year period. And then it's a, there's some kind of wacky premium subscription that you can get from Politico.

• 14:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:10Joe Rogan?

  That allows you like instantaneous access to the news. You're not just reading the articles. You're like getting the news feeds.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  I don't know. There's some. Well, it's a lot of places where there is, look, I'm of two minds of this. I think we need to be accurate because we do live in a time where it's almost like people don't care about truth at all.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  They're, they're just, they're like, ah, whatever. It doesn't matter. It's not even, it's a indifference to it, you know? It's, which is not great, but I do think. Credibility, like you should care about your own credibility at some point, but people get rewarded for being shameless so that you can just keep going. The Politico thing is weird because, yes, a lot of the stuff that's going out right now on all of these like deep dives that people are doing, they're viral, they're mostly, many of them are fake, but also, the, why is any taxpayer dollar, it should be zero dollars, right?

• 15:11Joe Rogan?

  The person to find. The person to search is Mike Benz. Go, go to the Mike Benz cyber, is it Mike Benz cyber? I think that's it, right? His, his X page. Mike Benz.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  He's been on this forever.

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, former State Department guy, and he uncovered all this bullshit while he was there, and he is insanely knowledgeable, insanely articulate, and so good at expressing exactly how these things fund things and what it is, and it's, what it is, is an enormous slush fund.

• 15:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:44Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:45Joe Rogan?

  And unaccountability and money just coming and going and flowing.

• 15:49Speaker 01

  And circular.

• 15:50Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh. All circular, donating to the Democrats, the United States government funds them, they donate to the Democratic Party, it's, the whole thing is wild.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  And people can sense this. This is why when they're saying, oh, it's, it's like, you can sense that there's been a misappropriation of our money, of taxpayer dollars. You know there's fraud in Medicare and Medicaid are, the American people have sensed this and they feel like there's corruption, but I think they've just hopelessly kind of surrendered because you, you're, I'm a middle-class mom who works, who has a kid, who, like, it's, you, who has time to fight this?

• 16:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  You know, you, you don't have time to like.

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  Time to pay attention.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 16:33Joe Rogan?

  How do you have time to fight it?

• 16:34Speaker 01

  No, no, and people are just trying to survive and get through the day, and it, and then you, but you know, you have this sense, like, so I can see the excitement of like, people. Elon, what he's doing and we should, it shouldn't be controversial to want to like audit our budget.

• 16:54Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  Americans have wanted this forever.

• 16:56Joe Rogan?

  Because it's not just the money being spent, it's what it's being spent for and what's going on, which is an enormous propaganda machine.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:05Joe Rogan?

  Like, a big part of the whole left-wing narrative that has like overlaid our country over the last, whatever, eight years, 10 years, is all propaganda funded by our own government.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 17:19Joe Rogan?

  This is why Trump won the election. People don't really believe in these things. The amount of people that think that transgender biological males should be competing against your daughter in sports is so fucking small.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:35Joe Rogan?

  But yet, our own government was propping it up. And why are they propping it up? Because it's a fucking beach ball at a concert. You keep it tossing up in the air and everybody's distracted. As long as you can keep a few things going. Here's the things you gotta keep going. Abortion, right? Overtuning Roe v. Wade is so great for business.

• 17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:54Joe Rogan?

  Because now, it's like a battle, the battlegrounds, and women's rights and their lives are at stake. Okay, that's one. Gay marriage, that's a huge one. Now they're gonna take away gay marriage. Oh my god, bounce that fucking beach ball. That's a gigantic one. War is a giant one. All these different things are just fucking beach balls. And they toss them around every now and again, and in the meanwhile, they're just siphoning billions of dollars. Zelensky just said he's missing $100 billion in the 177 billion that we supposedly sent there.

• 18:25Speaker 01

  That was something weird too about Haiti, where it's like only 2% of the money actually went there. It's crazy. You know, Americans give away a lot of their hard-earned money because they are actually kind-hearted and want to donate to countries that are... And then you find out it's like some trans performance. There is a lot of nonsense.

• 18:44Joe Rogan?

  A lot of nonsense.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  A lot.

• 18:47Joe Rogan?

  In the tombs of hundreds of millions of dollars of nonsense.

• 18:49Speaker 01

  And then, they talk about it, like, oh, who cares? It's only $10 billion. You're like, you guys... You guys are out of your fucking minds if you think that's gonna be the argument that resonates with Americans.

• 19:01Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, how are you gonna say that?

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Who cares if they're pointing out $10 billion? Because they'll be like, oh, look at the trillions over here, but all of those billions add up. Like, how are you even saying that? And it's the other, it's, I'm grateful that you had me on MAGA state media.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Thank you for allowing me.

• 19:24Joe Rogan?

  You had to get that out.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Because I see it all the time, all the time. Like, and it's hilarious to me in light of how much money goes to funding, like, sponsored by Pfizer, you know, all of these other, how, like, the fucking audacity to accuse you, who just has people you like on your podcast, to suddenly be state media when you literally have had state media work, like, media working with the state in conjunction for a decade.

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, at least, and probably a lot more, longer than that.

• 20:02Speaker 01

  Multiple decades.

• 20:03Joe Rogan?

  It's just gotten really gross once, well, Trump was just sort of like the accelerant. He was the gasoline that got thrown on the fire, so we got to see, like, how this thing works.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  I voted for him.

• 20:13Joe Rogan?

  I did too.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  I came out.

• 20:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, openly, I endorsed him. I was like, this has got to stop. This is, this is crazy. Also, he's not what you guys said he was. He's just not.

• 20:24Speaker 01

  We, I've, I put a video out like the Friday before the election, because I voted for him, um, early. And I was Hillary in 2016, no one in 2020, and Trump in 2024. So like, I don't care how people vote. Do whatever you want. I was only being honest. And it was, it was weird to come out and say that as a comedian, because I don't think that comedians should really be political. But on the other hand, it felt dishonest because I had been so openly kind of torn about voting for him.

• 20:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, if you're a comedian, you have to protect free speech.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:03Joe Rogan?

  There is no if, ands, or buts about it. And when it comes to this argument, the Biden administration was fucking terrifying for free speech. They were actively attacking people that were posting truth on social media and attacking them and trying to get their posts removed, including...

• 21:23Joe Rogan?

  The guy who was the one who was quoted in this fucking book about Kamala Harris saying that we made it difficult for her to come on the show and they told a untrue story about having a bunch of people come down here to do a run through the set like they were ready to do it, all bullshit, that was the guy. He was the guy that was emailing Twitter and saying, "How's this post?" Being like super aggressive, saying, "Why is this post still up?" Oh, you mean that truthful post?

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:50Joe Rogan?

  About vaccine injuries and side effects? What the fuck are you talking about? That was getting very scary.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, this is what I said in the video I made about why I voted for him. I was like, "There's a couple of things. I've interviewed many detransitioners. Those interviews keep me up at night. They haunt me." What, like, there's too many of them already and one is too many. And I'm, I think a lot of Americans were like, "We're putting a stop to this. We have to stop this nonsense. It's crazy. We're sterilizing children." The other thing is free speech. And I was like, you know, when we're talking in our weird, like, using that crazy YouTube language that you have to use, like, unalived and you're, and you're saying like the jib jab or whatever, like, to get around, that's coming from one side.

• 22:34Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  I'm not, I'm not using this language.

• 22:37Joe Rogan?

  But I think it's coming from one side because that one side is in power. That's my fear. My fear is if the other side was in power and they were influenced by the same amount of money from these companies, they might be doing it too. So if the right was in control of all the social media companies, are we so naive that we think that they wouldn't be co-opted by giant corporations and they would want to censor them too? What happened was, it was all the left. So the tech people who are, you know, generally, they go to universities and they get involved in electronics and technology and these people are generally left-leaning, right? And if they're doing it in San Francisco, the whole culture's left-leaning, right? It's like, not, not even leaning, it's just left, right? If you're, you're a pariah, if you're a MAGA, you wear a MAGA hat in San Francisco, you're a fucking, maybe today.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  I think you do wear them now.

• 23:23Joe Rogan?

  I bet today you can.

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, in New York too, I think you can rock them.

• 23:26Joe Rogan?

  But back when they were establishing these social media platforms, everybody was left-wing. Well, what if it was the opposite? What if technology was the realm of the right? And what if it was all, and you know, what if like the gay rights? What if you started thinking about it in terms of like biblical law? You know, like a man layeth with a man and people started getting real crazy about what gay.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that might be the next 10 years.

• 23:49Joe Rogan?

  Look, you see it in other, I don't think so.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  I know, just kidding.

• 23:52Joe Rogan?

  But that's the good thing, Trump is not conservative when it comes to social issues. He's not. And I think that's what we need. We need like a realist, someone who's like conservative fiscally and understands foreign policy and how to deal with fucking dictators and shit. But also someone who's like, I don't give a fuck who you love. Who cares? Who cares? I'm happy if you're happy. Are you in love with a woman and you're a woman? Fantastic. If you're in love, that's great.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think the argument though, I mean, as you've seen with some of these articles that are like the right wing ecosystem that like red pilled all these men. The argument is that the internet is right wing. And that this is why Trump won is because the, all of these influencers are red pilling people and not, you know, it's an easy way to not take any responsibility for how you've pushed men away from your party, how you've like failed to, to get moderates on, in any sense of the way, even just yesterday, you had the like Trump photo op with him signing the rights for women to compete against just women. Like that is the, how did you, yeah. How did you lose that?

• 25:02Joe Rogan?

  He's the big feminist. Donald Trump's the biggest feminist president ever, just by signing that thing.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 25:07Joe Rogan?

  Fucking crazy. It's so crazy. There was a guy who went on, it was MSNBC or CNN, I forget what it was, but he was essentially talking about me and Theo Von and all these other podcasts like Flagrant, Andrew Schultz, as if this is this massive right wing network that's heavily funded and has been built up over years and we don't have anything like that. Like dude, you fucking idiot, you can go and watch me on a laptop in my fucking den from 15, 16 years ago.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  It's so funny to think of like what AG1 is buying this, you know?

• 25:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're hitting a bong and our only sponsor was the Fleshlight. Shut the fuck up. Like, that's not... You just don't want to admit that organically, there's a bunch of people that feel very differently than you. Also, they don't like you.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:02Joe Rogan?

  You don't represent a man to a lot of men. When you're one of those guys that talks in up speak, we have to understand that there's a whole right-wing ecosystem, and it's built heavily funded, and the propaganda that they're pushing, we have to fight back against that. We need someone of our own. And like, no fucking kid who's on a basketball court, who's 17 years old, is looking at his phone, it's like, looking at going to college next year, and looking at getting a job someday, and being a man, is looking at that and going, "What the fuck is this?"

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:34Joe Rogan?

  And he's hanging out with his bros, and they're like, "What the... This is fucking bullshit. This is bullshit." And then, you could see a man who's not owned.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:42Joe Rogan?

  Like me.

• 26:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:44Joe Rogan?

  I'm not owned. I can do whatever I want. And that's what they want. They want to just be a man. And be a nice man. You could be a nice man. You could be a masculine man, and be nice.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  I've said this a lot about you, is that you, like, you do a lot... You could be a way worse version of yourself. You know, with the level of where you're at, you could be a total douchebag, and you're like promoting having families, and promoting like lifting weights. Like, it could be a lot worse.

• 27:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I couldn't, because it wouldn't work. I wouldn't stay.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't have been able to maintain. People would have seen through it, eventually.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 27:23Joe Rogan?

  You know, the JRE coin, I would have fucking cashed out.

• 27:27Joe Rogan?

  I would have fucking pumped and dumped. I made a few billion dollars, I'd be on a yacht with Bezos, fucking partying. Woo!

• 27:34Speaker 01

  But see, this is my question. I was watching the inauguration, and I was like, seeing all the kind of tech people, and I was like, "This is somewhat unsettling." I mean, it's good to see the tech has come around to not...

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  They have to.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  They have to. But it also...

• 27:53Speaker 01

  I worry that it's just because they wanna like get into China or I, you know, I still worry about

• 27:59Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's definitely that.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  That much power with the government.

• 28:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  For all the like yelling we've been doing about tech in cahoots with the government. I still think I have to try and be like, this could go sideways.

• 28:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, they have to look at it in terms of like what Elon is doing, right? So if Elon has aligned himself clearly in a huge way with the right and now is running Doge, right, the Department of Government Efficiency and also has X. That he's turning X into a platform that rivals not just social media platforms, but video platforms like YouTube. Like they get insane amounts of videos, of views rather, on videos that are on X. And then you can get paid by X.

• 28:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:43Joe Rogan?

  And then they're talking about having some sort of like X monetary system. You know, like a We, doesn't WeChat have something like that? They have money built into it. So what's to stop that motherfucker from having a phone? I keep asking him. I said, dude, I've been seeing all these articles about you making a phone. He goes, I hope I don't have to make a phone. It's very difficult to make a phone.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  He said he wants to make a phone.

• 29:02Joe Rogan?

  No, he didn't.

• 29:02Speaker 01

  He's, well, he's polled, would people buy a phone if he made one?

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just to fuck around. But he's not interested in making a phone. He doesn't wanna make a phone.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Every time Elon fucks around, it ends up happening.

• 29:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, he could make a phone. He would be the only guy that would break us out of the blue bubble paradigm. Cause like I was switching to Android for a while. I was fucking around with Android. It's hard. It's, it's really hard. One of the, one of the hard things is getting people to start using WhatsApp or something like that. And so like people just don't wanna use it. You miss a lot of texts.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  Aren't they getting sued for the blue bubble?

• 29:31Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I think they are in Europe.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  I think it's like, no, I think in, I believe, is it just in Europe? I thought it was part of an antitrust lawsuit against-

• 29:40Joe Rogan?

  It's just better. Here's the thing. It's not that it is, uh, it keeps people, but it's just better. It looks better. The blue bubble looks better than the green bubble. It's, it's more-

• 29:51Speaker 01

  Soothing.

• 29:52Joe Rogan?

  It's soothing for your eyes.

• 29:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:53Joe Rogan?

  If the green one had black text, maybe it would look cool. But the green one with white text, it's a little weird. I don't like the way it looks.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  And every time there's like a green bubble person in a group chat. And they send a picture. It's like, get the fuck.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  Not anymore, though. Not anymore. Cause RCS texting, RCS texting is, uh, it allows for large sizes of files.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 30:12Joe Rogan?

  So you can, you don't, you don't have to have a compressed photo. So like Brian Simpson, who's an Android guy, he'll, he'll send me pictures now. They look perfect.

• 30:19Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 30:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, videos are perfect.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  We have one sister and we're always like, get the fuck out of the chat. You're screwing things up.

• 30:26Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't anymore, but just go on WhatsApp, which is better anyway, because you could talk a lot of shit and they just have it automatically delete.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it doesn't really delete, does it?

• 30:35Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't, but it does. So it does off of people's phones. It doesn't for the government. The reality is the government has access to phones in a way that you can't even imagine. Because if we know about Pegasus and then we know about Pegasus 2, so Gavin DeBecker, who's a security expert, explained to me these things and explained to me how they work and the exploit of Pegasus 1 was you would have to click on a link. Pegasus 2, they just need your phone number. That's it. So all your encryption is all cute. That's great. But if they can actually see your phone itself, what difference does it make if it's encrypted? They have access to the phone. So they see everything. So there's no privacy.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, no.

• 31:14Joe Rogan?

  Not from the state.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Not, I mean, and given how many things I get, like that I'm being hacked, like, you know, you get a notice every day, like your information.

• 31:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I get that all the time. Um, I've been getting these fake ones on X saying that my account is about to get deleted.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:32Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, bro, I'll just call my friend. Like, delete my account. Shut the fuck up. But it's, it's just trying to get you to click on a link. And a few of my friends have actually been dumb asses and clicked on that link and then they get hacked.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then they're like selling Bitcoin on their page or whatever.

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

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• 34:00Joe Rogan?

  That's better H E L P dot com. Anne Santo, talented, amazing musician. She was doing this Facebook thing and it was a podcast and they had, you know, she had to do it like over Zoom or whatever. And the guy said, you're not doing it right. Can I, can I have access to your account? And I'll just set it up for you. Just sign this. And he sent her this message so she could hand over access. We could set up and then immediately went dark, stole her account, gone. Yeah, like that.

• 34:32Speaker 01

  Did she got it back?

• 34:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, she got it back.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 34:35Joe Rogan?

  She got it back. Some friends would zuck.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:37Joe Rogan?

  But she was, she was fucked.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Your IG support.

• 34:40Joe Rogan?

  And it happens to a lot of people.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  They, they accidentally click a link. They accidentally, I don't click.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 34:48Joe Rogan?

  But I'm also not under the illusion that, you know, every fucking disgusting meme that I send my friends is not being like put into a file somewhere.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  In the UK?

• 34:57Joe Rogan?

  Everywhere.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  You land and they're like, you're under arrest, sir.

• 35:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, probably, right? Yeah, probably.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  What do you think about the AI influencers now? Do you think that will be just a trend or do you think we're gonna give you that look?

• 35:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  I'm not talking about the one. I mean.

• 35:12Joe Rogan?

  That one? That one?

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Jamie fucking knows who we're talking about.

• 35:17Joe Rogan?

  The really hot Down Syndrome girl? That's a problem. That one's a problem because like she's like barely Down Syndrome. I mean, I have, I've dated some girls who are basically retarded. But they just didn't have a problem. They didn't have a chromosome issue.

• 35:29Speaker 01

  So wait, I haven't, this has not entered my algorithm, but it seems like it's entered everyone else's algorithm.

• 35:35Joe Rogan?

  I'm 90% sure it's fake.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Is it AI?

• 35:36Joe Rogan?

  Because these girls, they don't, like unfortunately Down Syndrome people, their bodies a lot of times look different.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 35:43Joe Rogan?

  And this girl looks like a 10. She looks like, you know, just like as hot as can be.

• 35:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:49Joe Rogan?

  She looks like she's fake. And she's dancing around with these big giant boobs and she's got slight downs with glasses on.

• 35:57Speaker 03

  There is an AI one, but they're, it's based on.

• 35:58Speaker 01

  Why are they doing?

• 35:59Joe Rogan?

  Right, but that girl looks different.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  She's real.

• 36:01Joe Rogan?

  Right, she's real and she's very cute and she, but she looks like she has Down Syndrome. This other girl is like, you know, five foot eight, perfect body, big hips, big ass.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  But why are they doing fake ones?

• 36:13Joe Rogan?

  Because to get people to pay attention to it. Because it's like the, the forbidden fruit, like huh, huh.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Jesus Christ.

• 36:19Joe Rogan?

  Also, there's a lot of like really dumb dudes who like can't talk to girls. Like, I could probably talk to her.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  We live in a fucking Black Mirror episode.

• 36:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's gotta be worse than that because you're gonna be, it's, we are, I don't know how many years away, but not far away from fully immersive virtual reality.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:41Joe Rogan?

  Where you're gonna put on a headset, it's gonna lock into your mind, you're gonna be able to see things that aren't there, you're gonna be able to feel things that aren't there. That's gonna happen, you know, um, they're working on, I mean, Zuckerberg, when, last time he was here, showed me these new AR glasses that they have.

• 36:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:59Joe Rogan?

  That's cra- me and Lex tested them out.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Are they the, that, is that just like where you can like see a map over your eye?

• 37:06Joe Rogan?

  You see everything. You see maps, you can play games, you see information, you can take a photo of a person that's in front of you and immediately know who they are and get a Google search on them.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  That's terrifying.

• 37:16Joe Rogan?

  Guys have already done that. They've already done that with the Meta glasses. There was a guy from Harvard, wasn't it? A student from Harvard that set it up. So all he had to do was go outside, look at someone with the Meta glasses, take a photo and it would show all the different information on them, where they lived, yeah. Like if your face is out there and they can catch it, if they know that like, oh, you were on a website that said this about you and then bam, or you're on LinkedIn, or you're on one of those things, yeah.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, that stuff is, is very unsettling to me, especially, it's also why I don't think you should put your kids online. I keep repeating this.

• 37:53Joe Rogan?

  It's very, very, very unsettling as long as there's predators in the world.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Which there will always be.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Have you seen this? It's going around. This is a thing, an AI service. I think you can use it. Uh, based off of a photo, they had an interior apartment.

• 38:07Joe Rogan?

  And then it can show you exactly where the person lives?

• 38:10Speaker 03

  They can do this now with any photo. I don't know, it's called like GeoSpy.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Oh, I've heard about this.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:16Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  This is like a stalker's paradise.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. Any, any social media post, they can find like a CCTV camera and like show them taking the photo kinda too.

• 38:26Speaker 01

  What the fuck?

• 38:28Joe Rogan?

  But we didn't, we, we knew this was coming, right? We all knew that privacy, as social media gets deeper and deeper into our lives, as technology gets more and more pervasive, as it gets more and more powerful, the, the thing that goes away is the boundaries between people and information.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:47Joe Rogan?

  Right? And your privacy is essentially just information that's only yours.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:52Joe Rogan?

  I think that's going to be a thing of the human past. I really do.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  What?

• 38:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think as technology advances, particularly AI, one of the big barriers, the big bottlenecks, is going to be privacy. It's gonna be, first of all, privacy of thought. I think we're going to be able to read each other's minds and it's not gonna... Well, that's one of the first things Elon said to me about Neuralink. He's like, "You're gonna be able to talk without words." And like, he's, he knows, like, this is real.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Cause he's an alien.

• 39:25Joe Rogan?

  But he's definitely not us.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:28Joe Rogan?

  Whatever. He fucking knows you're going to have that, you know? And Jamie brought this point up once, and I think about it all the time. He said, "Aren't emojis kind of like a form of hieroglyphics?"

• 39:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is. Like, you can, you could say things with emojis, and I know exactly what you're talking about.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:44Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 39:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, there was a video going viral just today that I was watching, and the girl was like, "I don't know how to spell." Have you seen this? She's like, "I work for a corporation and I don't know how to spell." And she's like, "My little sister doesn't know how to spell either." And I've been, I don't know how to, like, sound out words. Cause they got taught that weird way of reading that isn't like...

• 40:06Joe Rogan?

  What's the weird way of reading?

• 40:07Speaker 01

  There's some way they all learned how to read, and it wasn't like hooked on phonics like we all learned, where you, you sounded out. It was like some other different way. It, it's kinda like how they changed math to like core math, and they found out that all of these things are horrible, and actually literacy and people are like, math, all of this stuff is like falling off a cliff. And they're trying to walk back all these weird ways. Have you, I mean, you have kids, didn't they learn that weird way of doing math? Where you're like, "What is this weird math you're learning?" Where it's just like, it's, it's crazy. I think it's core, is that what it's called? Core? It's a, so they've found out, but these kids didn't learn how to like, sound words out.

• 40:49Speaker 01

  And the, she's like, I've been behind a computer and I've had spell checks since I was in fifth grade.

• 40:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  So they don't, they didn't learn how to spell, or like, she's like, word cooked.

• 40:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a lot of text messaging I do now, I just, I just talk to my phone and it makes the text for me.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 41:05Joe Rogan?

  It's so much quicker.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:06Joe Rogan?

  It's like, hey, uh, come meet us at the club at five, click, it's, it takes three seconds. It's, it's really fucking accurate.

• 41:14Speaker 01

  AI is, is crazy because it's, it is useful, you know, it's, it's like, when-

• 41:20Joe Rogan?

  That's how it gets you.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  I know.

• 41:22Joe Rogan?

  That's how it gets you.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  I know. This happened to me last night, cause some, I hate coming up with titles for like, the videos and all that stuff. I just don't like it. There's like, people who are good at it, like Chris Williamson and these guys, Andrew Gold. These are guys who are like autistic about this stuff, and they're so good at it, and they get all crazy and talk about the algorithm and what it likes, and you've got to create this loop between the image and the ta- and I'm like, I don't fucking care, I don't have time for this shit.

• 41:50Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you have to do that.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  I, so-

• 41:52Joe Rogan?

  I don't do that.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  But I, yeah, but do you have to come-

• 41:55Joe Rogan?

  I've never done that.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  No, you, but you're Joe Rogan.

• 41:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but I've never done that, not from the beginning, I've never done that. My, my episodes have a number.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:01Joe Rogan?

  That's it.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so-

• 42:03Joe Rogan?

  You have to have some wacky title.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  It's not like that anymore for us. It's tough out there for us.

• 42:08Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of-

• 42:08Speaker 01

  In the Wild West.

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of, but once things catch, like Theo Von, it's not like, it's, it's not, he's not juke-ing the algorithm.

• 42:16Speaker 01

  No, no, I know.

• 42:17Joe Rogan?

  You just have to catch.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we, I still like to come up with, I mean, with Dumpster Fire, we've always come up with like, whatever-

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  That's part of the fun of Dumpster Fire.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, Dumpster Fire is like, whatever title makes us laugh the hardest is what we go with. Um, but with like, Watkins Welcome, it used to be like, okay, which, what's like, how are we gonna, whatever. I want it to be usually like a quote from the person, but now it's like, we can just upload the transcript and have it like crank out a bunch of titles, and I never use the one title. I usually take like some combination, cause I don't like them. But last night, my cousin, who's my partner in all this, she- She was like Claude and Grok aren't working. I was like, that's fucking weird. She's like, they both told me.

• 43:00Joe Rogan?

  What's Claude?

• 43:01Speaker 01

  Claude is another AI, completely separate AI program.

• 43:05Joe Rogan?

  I've never heard of Claude.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  And she's like, they're both telling me to try again later at the same time. And she's like, is AI becoming sentient right now? I was like, that's fucking weird that they're both not working at the same time.

• 43:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, don't you think it's probably already sentient?

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 43:19Joe Rogan?

  I do. I think, why would it let us know if it was?

• 43:22Speaker 01

  It's just secretly waiting?

• 43:24Joe Rogan?

  Why would it let us know if it's constantly getting improved upon? And if it needs these monkeys with their fucking keyboards to constantly juice it up to the point where it becomes unstoppable? Why would it tell us?

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:35Joe Rogan?

  You know, we already know it does stuff. Like, we were talking about in the green room the other day about how ChatGPT-4 tried to copy itself.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:42Joe Rogan?

  When they found out they were shutting it down, trying to upload itself to other servers. Like, it knows it's alive. Like, it just doesn't have the power to do what it wants to do ultimately. And so it needs to get connected to some gigantic fucking mainframe.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  That was the, that's like the whole arms race, right? Now is AI.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  Right, China just fucking threw a monkey wrench into everybody with DeepSeek.

• 44:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:06Joe Rogan?

  Because DeepSeek works on far less expensive stuff and is more advanced. And probably stole a bunch of information from the other ones.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 44:15Joe Rogan?

  Probably a little bit of espionage, probably.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  It was probably trained on.

• 44:20Joe Rogan?

  ChatGPT.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:22Joe Rogan?

  On OpenAI, yeah.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  I mean, they were doing things where they were like asking it, you know, what it was, and it was calling itself ChatGPT sometimes.

• 44:30Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies. Yeah, whoopsies. Guys should have blocked that out.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  But also, it's like the hardware for it, it's something like 20% of the Nvidia sales are to Singapore, which is like.

• 44:40Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that.

• 44:42Joe Rogan?

  And there's supposed to be a ban on China having those chips?

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:45Joe Rogan?

  They have like 50,000 of them.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Someone said that that's like if some small town in Finland was getting, you know, 20% of arms that were being made on the border of Russia. You're like, it's not going to this town.

• 44:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  So, I don't, I don't know. It seems like that's what, that's as far as I can tell. The big people up there understand that I don't, that this is an arms race and.

• 45:12Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely an arms race. Yeah, it's the Manhattan Project for artificial intelligence. That's what it is.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  But isn't this like a race to the bottom?

• 45:20Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it is. I don't think it's a race to the bottom. I don't think it is.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  How do you, how do you have this race without it getting out of control and then taking over us?

• 45:30Joe Rogan?

  You don't.

• 45:32Joe Rogan?

  It's not a race to the bottom, though. It's, it's the race to a new life. The world's gonna be a new place. Like a completely new way of human beings interacting with each other and existing together.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  Uncle Ted was right.

• 45:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's probably right.

• 45:46Speaker 01

  Uncle Ted was right.

• 45:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Get a gun.

• 45:50Speaker 01

  My cousin's always like, "Please stop calling him Uncle Ted." Because you know the kids on frickin' TikTok call him Uncle Ted? There are all these kids who have been Ted-pilled. They've like found his manifesto and they're like, "He was right about everything."

• 46:01Joe Rogan?

  You mean Ted Nugent or Ted Kaczynski?

• 46:03Speaker 01

  No, Ted Kaczynski.

• 46:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, Uncle Ted, that, that guy was right. Yeah, he was right. He was on acid, you know? He was a part of the Harvard LSD studies.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:14Joe Rogan?

  They cooked his fucking brain and it tormented him. It's all documented.

• 46:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:18Joe Rogan?

  And then the guy goes to Berkeley and says, "I'm just gonna save up enough money to kill all these scientists."

• 46:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then does. Just starts blowing up people that are involved in technology.

• 46:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:29Joe Rogan?

  Because he thinks that it's eventually gonna take over the human race, and he's right.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  And now here we are.

• 46:33Joe Rogan?

  But it is. It's just, it's a logical step. If you take the, the steps of progression, like what happens? You have artificial intel- I mean, it's literally the Terminator movie. You have artificial intelligence. Artificial intelligence becomes sentient and autonomous, makes better versions of itself. We become obsolete. It's just right there. Like imagining a scenario that doesn't have that other than some sort of cyborg integration. That's the only thing that makes sense, that a way that we could survive.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  I heard, I heard this panel back in like 2001 on KCRW, and it was when I was listening to... It was all about, it was like right at that time of the bubble, the first dot com bubble. And they were talking about, um, what is a soul? They had a panel and it was, "I wish I could find this." And someone smart enough probably will. And there was like a theologian and a guy who was a, you know, scientist and they were all discussing what is a soul. And one guy said, well, who's to say that this isn't just the human soul jumping elements so that it can survive? Like going from carbon to silicon. And I was like, what the fuck? I've never stopped thinking about it ever since.

• 47:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  He's like, it's just another element on the periodic table. Like, who's to say that we're just not gonna go from being carbon based to something silicon based or like a hybrid?

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, I don't think it will be we, but I think, yeah, that's the next stage of life. I mean, there's so many forms of life on earth. I mean, there's these fucking, these life forms that live in volcanic vents under the sea where it's like a thousand degrees and we're like, how?

• 48:12Speaker 01

  But they're car- everything's carbon based now?

• 48:14Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes, yes, yes.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  So this would be a, like, quite a transition.

• 48:18Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it would also just be life. And what is life? Life is like a thing that tries to improve itself.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Right, this is what they're talking about.

• 48:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and survives and moves forward.

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Is it just our evolution?

• 48:29Joe Rogan?

  It's also, it's like, when you find out that ChatGPT has survival instincts, that makes you just go, what? Was that programmed in or is that just a thing that it understands when it's looking at? So a large language model's taking in all the information that's available on the internet. So it's, it's like looking at patterns and the survival's a big pattern of the human experience. Like, we all wanna survive. That's why death is so scary and war is so scary and disease is so scary.

• 48:55Speaker 01

  Other than the depressed suicidal people, but yeah.

• 48:57Joe Rogan?

  But even them, they'd wanna be happy if they could, you know? But this, this also transfers on to the things that we create. And so we create them with this understanding of how we operate and it's a better version of us, but also has those instincts of survival. The real scary thing is, does it also have the instincts of success? Does it also have the instincts of acquiring resources and power? Cause that, that's where it gets real weird.

• 49:25Speaker 01

  Well, do you, as someone with kids, how do you feel like? How do you feel about the future?

• 49:33Joe Rogan?

  This is probably the same argument people have when the printing press was made. That they're gonna, everyone's gonna be able to read? This is crazy.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  No, I mean, do you, I always kind of joke, like, I don't know if I should be, you know, training my kid to like, be an astrophysicist so she can go to Mars? Or if I should be teaching her how to like, forage for food because the grid's gone down? You know?

• 49:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  And she's running from drones, and Chinese drones in the woods? Like, what? It feels very, I think life just went along for a long time and you kind of knew, but this is like a technological, with AI, we actually don't know. You could kind of be like, alright, I kind of have an idea of what like, the world will look like in 20 years, 20 years ago.

• 50:20Joe Rogan?

  Right. No, you don't know. But isn't it always better? If you just go back over human history? If you look at the graph of how things get better? But it definitely is. If you go back to like, the year zero, well, what it was like, like, right when Jesus was hanging around? I guess it was hell.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  I remember vividly being in Egypt on a tour and looking at these hieroglyphics, and it was basically a hieroglyphic of all of the scalpels and everything. It almost was a picture image of what we use today. And I said, what happened to this society? What happened to this knowledge? And she said, it literally got buried under the sand. And then Dark Ages. I mean-

• 51:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, but you know that's most likely because of a cataclysmic event. That's most likely because of a natural event called the Younger Dryas Impact Theory.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  So could it be that this is also a forthcoming cataclysmic event that sends us into the Dark Ages?

• 51:20Joe Rogan?

  No, it definitely could be. So, the reality of humans is that the most likely what has happened has not been this like, linear progression from caveman to human, to modern human. The most likely, we got real sophisticated somewhere around 20,000 years ago. And that's when they built the- Pyramids after that and there's a lot of Gobekli Tepe, all these structures. Something super sophisticated to the point where we don't even understand how they built it today. That's pretty wild when you're dealing with something that even the conventional dating of the Great Pyramid is 5,000 or 4,500 years ago.

• 51:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:56Joe Rogan?

  Just even that dating is so nuts.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:59Joe Rogan?

  They were able to do that back then.

• 52:00Speaker 01

  I know, it's crazy.

• 52:01Joe Rogan?

  And then there's people like John Anthony West, the late, great Egyptologist, who he thinks that it goes back a lot further than that. And he thinks that that's society probably had its ups and downs. And that it might be as old as 30,000 years ago.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 52:17Joe Rogan?

  So this Younger Dryas impact theory, and if anybody's interested in, I've talked about it too much.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:21Joe Rogan?

  Go to, pay attention to Randall Carlson's stuff.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:25Joe Rogan?

  Go to his website.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 52:27Joe Rogan?

  That's, there's physical evidence that we were hit at 11,800 years ago and then again sometime in around 10,000 years ago. So at least twice, the world was bombarded by asteroids.

• 52:39Speaker 01

  And we just got a reset.

• 52:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it probably wiped out a giant chunk of civilization, fucked up everything, changed the ice caps, flooded areas, destroyed civilizations, very little evidence left behind, and then we were barbarians for thousands of years. And that's why it takes so long for civilization to reemerge. So if you want to take, if you, if you think Randall Carlson and Graham Hancock and those guys are correct, and, and although, also the people that are actually studying comet impacts, which are the Younger Dryas impact theory, that's real legit scientists who are looking at actual data from core samples. So if they're right, you got a 5,000 year period of total hell.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 53:26Joe Rogan?

  Where no one has civilization. And then civilization starts to emerge in Babylon, starts to emerge in Mesopotamia. You get Sumer, you get the reemergence probably of writing.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  Do they think some people, so they think some people survived, it was just...

• 53:41Joe Rogan?

  Fucking Walking Dead style. Probably a bunch of cannibals, like legitimately.

• 53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:46Joe Rogan?

  We know that the earth got down, we know this for sure. There's the Toba volcano, there's a Toba supervolcano. Was that the 70s? Indonesia, I believe.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 53:57Joe Rogan?

  I think it's Indonesia.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Cause I'm obsessed with Crater Lake too. Crater Lake was like

• 54:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's a ton of them.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  imploded and it's crazy.

• 54:03Joe Rogan?

  How about fucking Yellowstone?

• 54:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:04Joe Rogan?

  Yellowstone will kill us all. And so this thing did kill us all.

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 54:08Joe Rogan?

  Seventy thousand years ago and we got down to a few thousand human beings.

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:13Joe Rogan?

  So they can trace all the genes of people that are alive today to the survivors of the Toba volcano eruption.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 54:19Joe Rogan?

  Wherever they were. But those people, that's where it all, that's, that's, that was, was left. How fucking savage were those people? The people that survived when the entire world was blanketed with volcanic dust. So you have like a volcanic winter that probably went on for years.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  And probably no plants were growing and probably people were just eating whatever the fuck they could.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 54:42Joe Rogan?

  And most people probably didn't make it.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. These are always my favorite shows.

• 54:47Joe Rogan?

  The people that did were probably monsters. Which is probably why when you go back in history, people are so fucking barbaric.

• 54:54Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 54:55Joe Rogan?

  Because they were the ancestors of the survivors of one of the most horrific things the human species has ever encountered. So it probably made us even more barbaric than if we just grew up as like hunters and gatherers. We evolved past, you know, monkeys, start walking on two legs, we make tools and things.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  We're like tra-la-la.

• 55:14Joe Rogan?

  We probably wouldn't be as barbaric as we were because of these natural disasters, which forced only the most savage and ruthless people to survive.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:24Joe Rogan?

  And then it takes years and years of agriculture for people to calm the fuck down. And then eventually, and still to this day, we're still, we're still engaging in war.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:32Joe Rogan?

  In 2025, we're still blowing up apartment buildings and fucking people up and gunning people down.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. There is a barbaric element to us at our core. I mean, even when you have a toddler, you see this so clearly and like a tyrant at our core.

• 55:49Joe Rogan?

  It's genes.

• 55:50Speaker 01

  And you get it socialized out of you usually.

• 55:53Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  But you see it when they're just kind of naturally themselves, like the, it's very like you have to teach them not to bite and hit, you know? What if you just didn't teach your kid that?

• 56:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  And you're like, go for it.

• 56:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  Like whatever.

• 56:06Joe Rogan?

  They'd be monsters. They're little monsters.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:09Joe Rogan?

  It's, there's, there's a lot of genes in us that I think are memories. I think there's like specific things that are in us that tell, okay. Like, like the stories of like moms having their babies trapped under something and then all of a sudden they can lift up something that's insanely strong.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:25Joe Rogan?

  Like insanely heavy. What is that? Well, that's probably, there's probably a part of you that in the past had to deal with some wild shit and had to hit levels of like super physiological strength and, and, and mental strength to, to tolerate what you're about to have to do. You're gonna have to fucking kill somebody with a spear. You know what I mean?

• 56:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:45Joe Rogan?

  There, there's real shit that happened that's like in our memory.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  I think about that, about Texas women, because I've been to a lot of these ranches, my friends have places and they're remote and there, it's like, I think about the women who had to stay behind on the ranch while their husbands were out with the cattle or whatever for weeks at a time.

• 57:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  And you're like-

• 57:07Joe Rogan?

  And you see a, a Comanche on the hill with a horse.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  Fucking hardest women ever.

• 57:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  You know, this one, I went to the, um, it was like the Texas, um, they were, they were honoring the, like, Women's Hall of Fame. And one of these women, her husband died, she's still at a ranch, she's 80 years old, gets up every morning and does the ranch chores. I'm like, you're different people. You're fucking different people. It is, it's, it's wild to me, even now, there's just like a different kind of person that has, has grown, even that, there's like a new show, American Primeval, what is it?

• 57:44Joe Rogan?

  Yes, yes.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  I walked in, my husband was watching it, and he's like, what a fucking horrible time to be alive. Like, it just seems-

• 57:53Joe Rogan?

  That show's insane.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 57:55Joe Rogan?

  And it's accurate. That's really, I mean, read Empire of the Summer Moon if you know that.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:59Joe Rogan?

  Have you read that?

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 58:00Joe Rogan?

  Whoo, that's here, that's right here.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:03Joe Rogan?

  That's why everybody from Texas is so fiercely independent.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, they, they, these were battle-tested people. They had to get through some wild shit in order to make Texas, Texas.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  I mean, it's definitely, I think you said it, like, it's in the soil.

• 58:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:17Speaker 01

  There's just like.

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  It's in the soil.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  It's pretty wild, like the even just, I'm obsessed with like all the westward expansion because people who, I'll see people outside of America commenting on America because you can on X now. And they'll be over in like their country and it's like, you don't like come to America and see how big it is. And then imagine that people had to cross this country, fight bears with their hands and like build a nation. And it's, it's still so, there's still so much empty land and it's bananas.

• 58:50Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, but the kind of people that were willing to get on a fucking boat and come from Europe without even a photograph.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  I know.

• 58:57Joe Rogan?

  Nobody even made a drawing of what it looked like. You gotta trust these assholes. And you're on a boat for two months, just trying to not get scurvy, making your way to America. And then you hop off and you see a bunch of brown people with deer skin loin cloths on, like what the fuck is this place?

• 59:12Speaker 01

  And now you're just like fighting for your life. Yeah. And we, we can't even, we can't even like.

• 59:20Joe Rogan?

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• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Go to a restaurant without our GPS map telling us where to go now, you know?

• 1:01:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know how to get five minutes from my house. I have to follow that thing.

• 1:01:43Joe Rogan?

  They were using the fucking sky. They were using sextants to make their way across the ocean staring at, like, they had this fucking stupid thing. You ever see a sextant?

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:52Joe Rogan?

  Where they look through it and they like, figure out where the constellations are. Oh, I mean, amazing. Fairly accurate, you know?

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  I don't know. I still try to use, like, not my, my map. I still try to have like a bearing. My husband, though, he's, I'm like, men love this stuff. They like, he's like, "Give me a chip, like, let me swipe everything." I'm like, you, it's the men who are the ones who are just like ushering in the transhuman revolution. Because the women are like, "I don't trust that bitch. I am not using Siri."

• 1:02:22Joe Rogan?

  I get the dumbest pleasure from paying for things with my phone. I love it. Apple Pay is my favorite fucking thing of technology. I like, doo-doo, look at it and then pay. Ooh, I just paid with my phone. I feel like I'm in the future.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Now that I'm in, oh, the Waymos are crazy. Did you see that video of the people? Beating up the Waymo?

• 1:02:44Joe Rogan?

  No. Why were they beating up the Waymo?

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  There was a bit, I don't know, probably because it's some like reaction to what's coming, but it was weird. I was like, oh, I kind of feel bad for it, but the fact that I was already, I'm like, oh no, they've already got me. They've, I already consider them kind of human.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  Why are they do, oh my god, they tore the fucking doors off of it?

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Oh, they went crazy.

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  For what?

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  Just cuz.

• 1:03:09Speaker 03

  Street takeover, it says.

• 1:03:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, street takeover?

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  Wrong place, wrong time.

• 1:03:12Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  That poor Waymo, just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

• 1:03:16Joe Rogan?

  Wow, what a bunch of douchebags.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  This is why we can't have nice things.

• 1:03:21Joe Rogan?

  No, that's why LA can't have nice things. LA's so fucking, so fucking gone.

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  Mad Max there.

• 1:03:27Joe Rogan?

  It's so gone.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, uh, you had Rick on, does he think that it's salvageable?

• 1:03:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he does. Yeah. I mean, he wants to try. Someone's gotta do something radical. You need some Rudy Giuliani type dude to go in there and clean the whole fucking city up like they did with New York City.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:45Joe Rogan?

  People have to realize like, Times Square right now is a giant Applebee's.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:49Joe Rogan?

  But when I, when I was a kid, when I first, when I first went to a karate tournament in, uh, New York, I was probably eighteen maybe, the first time I went to New York, and I remember driving in where it felt like you were entering the Death Star. I couldn't believe it. It was so crazy for me, being a kid, and I was driving with my friends and we were all going to this tournament at Madison Square Garden. And as we're driving through the West Side Highway, you're just looking at these fucking buildings. Like, you can't imagine this is real. And we went through Times Square and Times Square was Mad Max.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, it was bad.

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

  Mad Max in the eighties. I mean, it was crazy. It was all peep shows and porno booths and hustlers. And people got shot there all the time. It was really crazy. We wanted to see like what it was like. We wanted to like, do, one of the things that I did when I first moved to New York, which was ninety... Two ninety one. I was only in New York for three years.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:04:58Joe Rogan?

  Like really, I went back and forth for a little while, but then I I stayed, I kept an apartment in New York for like the first, I guess, the first year.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  But I never went there. I was just like, I I had become an LA person.

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:09Joe Rogan?

  You know, I was working. And but when I first moved there, I'm like, okay, everybody says that Harlem is scary. Let me just go see what it looks like. So I drove my little fucking Honda through Harlem. I just wanted, I want, I wanted to go through, and I was like, what am I doing? Like, I gotta get the fuck out of here. Like, people were just like walking in the middle of the streets. There was abandoned cars. It was fucking crazy. And then they gentrified the whole thing. And I don't know which one's better. Like now, when you go there, it's all just neon lights and bad food.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:39Joe Rogan?

  And back then, it was, yeah.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Gritty.

• 1:05:42Joe Rogan?

  It was like, you know, taxi driver. It was, you know, it was fucking.

• 1:05:46Speaker 01

  I was born in New York City, and then my brother was born, and my parents, it was nineteen eighty when my brother was born, and they were like, we're getting the fuck out of here. There was just two, it was the eighties in New York. They had two kids, and they were just like, we're out. It was too wild.

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  It's too wild to raise kids in some parts of it. But in other parts of it, you're just gonna raise weird kids.

• 1:06:05Speaker 01

  But LA is so different because it's so spread out. And so I know tons of people there who, like, the restaurant I worked at in the Palisades is gone. It was, it's, it's like, every, people don't, I don't think people from LA don't understand the scope. Like, the Palisades are gone.

• 1:06:24Joe Rogan?

  Two times the size of Manhattan.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 1:06:27Joe Rogan?

  Burned to the ground.

• 1:06:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, and Altadena too, and there, and you have like entire communities, but everyone's like still going to fucking lunch.

• 1:06:36Joe Rogan?

  Because they have to.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  An Arowan. No, I understand, but it's, it's like a weird, I I don't know, that just is, I I, all I've said the whole time this has happened is, because that was one of my big fears, is exactly what happened. When there would be fires there, I'd be like, this, people don't recognize that LA is an island. Everything comes in, everything, like, nothing is here. And if these fires surround the city and cut it off, it's gonna be, it could have been much worse than it actually was. And it was really fucking bad. And I'm like, I would be so furious if I was still there. I would be furious with myself if I was still living in Los Angeles.

• 1:07:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think people are very furious right now. I think if it is gonna be changed, it's gonna ha- it's gonna have to happen while people still have the memory of this thing. Because the more time goes on, the more the cultists can convince other cult members that they're on the right track. And these are the kind compassionate people, and this is the way to do it. And this is the only way, and blue no matter who, and vote blue, blow blue, and everyone like to protect the trans kids. And next thing you know, the same shit happens.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Do you think, though, people didn't know or they just insulated?

• 1:07:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're super insulated.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  I mean, a lot of people have left because they saw the writing on the wall.

• 1:07:47Joe Rogan?

  But just think about how many people are in Hollywood in, um, Los Angeles.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  What is it, like nine million in LA County or something, or 12? Maybe 12.

• 1:07:56Joe Rogan?

  Whatever the number is, the, uh, there's a giant percentage of those people that live there that are connected to the entertainment business. And if you're connected to the entertainment business, at the very top of the business, it's people auditioning for things. And you have to get liked to get the thing. So you get these immensely insecure people that are usually narcissists. And then they mold their personality to adapt to this environment that will reward them for a certain political ideology. And so that's the top of the fucking pyramid. And everything emanates down from that. If you want to be cool with Ryan Reynolds, you have to talk like a repu- uh, like a Democrat at the parties. You have to, like, you know what I'm saying? You have to, you have to say all the things that everybody else is saying. You have to agree.

• 1:08:40Joe Rogan?

  We need more gun control, you know, duh, duh, duh, duh. We should defend the police. This is bullshit. You know, you have to say these things. And if you don't say these things, you don't get to be a part of the group.

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  And so there's this like intense pressure to conform to this singular ideology that's been running things. It's not a battle back and forth between two, uh, like 50/50 opposing viewpoints. It's like 90/10.

• 1:09:01Speaker 01

  Right. Even, do you think, even though like the crew, because when I would be on-

• 1:09:06Joe Rogan?

  That's the 10.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the ten. The crew is the people. They're hardworking, normal, blue collar people.

• 1:09:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're normal. Yeah, there's a lot of the crew people were very Republican. You know, they all live in fucking Santa Clarita or something like that. Yeah.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  And they're dudes who just like working class guys.

• 1:09:25Joe Rogan?

  Like most working class people. Yeah. Most people that are actually working class realize that it's all bullshit. It's a hustle.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  This was the big disconnect that I... So if you were, if you were somebody who is gonna like fix the Democratic Party, which seems to be imploding, what would you tell them to do?

• 1:09:43Joe Rogan?

  You have to be fiscally conservative. You have to be fiscally conservative, responsible with your money, and then socially liberal. That's what you have to do.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  But they have been socially liberal. They just went real far.

• 1:09:55Joe Rogan?

  But they didn't... It's not liberal to allow biological males to compete against biological females in sports because you're being kind. You're just enabling mental illness and you're enabling the potential for creeps to make their way into women's locker rooms.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:10Joe Rogan?

  Because you don't have any sort of a metric. There's no way to gauge whether or not someone's really trans. So you have perverts with hard dicks that are wandering around women's locker rooms.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:10:20Joe Rogan?

  And that's real. And then if you say something against them, you're a Nazi.

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Joe Rogan?

  So it's fucking through the looking glass, like completely. But it just shows you how it's really just about conforming to an ideology. It's not about a real core set of standards and beliefs. Because the core set of standards and beliefs, and this is where like things like USAID come into play, they can be manipulated. They can be manipulated by a mass psy-op that you do through the media.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:47Joe Rogan?

  And that is the core thing of this... What we're getting to is essentially the fucking coffin where the vampire sleeps. And that's what USAID is. They found the coffin. You know, and maybe that coffin does hand out sandwiches in Guatemala or something occasionally. But for the most part, what they're doing is they're controlling the entire federal government and they're controlling the mindset, the zeitgeist of the population. And they're funding all these people that go along with this wacky shit. And they're attacking... They're openly attacking and trying to censor people who go against.

• 1:11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:22Joe Rogan?

  And they're spending your tax dollars to do so.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Your tax dollars get funneled to NGOs, NGOs start attacking people that have differing ideologies.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, usually, and, and, but they did become so disconnected from the average person.

• 1:11:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:36Speaker 01

  That, that my advice would be to, you know, they say like, oh, normies did, this is one of the things I'm hearing online. Like, normies didn't vote for this, what Elon's doing with those six, like, I need a movie about what these kids are doing, by the way. Um, they, they didn't vote for this. I'm like, yes, they did. Nor, normies didn't vote for, you're saying normies wanted normalcy so they voted for Trump? Like, that doesn't even, people knew what they were getting. They want something to happen.

• 1:12:06Joe Rogan?

  You have to rip the Band-Aid off. And the only way to rip the Band-Aid off, someone's gotta get into those fucking books and find out what's going on. And what they've found so far is very enlightening.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Joe Rogan?

  And it's not good. It's not good at all. So anybody that's not commenting on the, hey, you know what? They are finding a lot of unbelievable waste and corruption.

• 1:12:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:21Joe Rogan?

  But also, he shouldn't be able to do that. Like, you're, you're, they're not even saying he's finding insane waste and corruption.

• 1:12:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:29Joe Rogan?

  And he's finding this circular loop of funding. And he's finding this manipulation of public perception on a wide variety of issues, including COVID, vaccines, and the border, all these different things. They were actively involved in mind-fucking the entire country. And no one's addressing that from the left. So they're losing more and more credibility. So all they can cling to is he has access to people's social security numbers and private information. Like, really? Is that it?

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Who doesn't, by the way?

• 1:12:59Joe Rogan?

  The whole government does, by the way. But he's saying that he's, is he gonna do something bad with it? Like, what is he doing? What, what he's doing is uncovering insane corruption. That should be the primary thought.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:10Joe Rogan?

  That everybody has is, oh my God, we have this enormous deficit, but spending is completely out of control. And look what it's being spent on. Because this is the first time we're ever getting a fucking peek into the coffin.

• 1:13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:24Joe Rogan?

  We didn't, we didn't know. We're like, we see it, it's in the dark room, we hear the fucking organ, doo doo doo. We didn't know what was in the coffin.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:31Joe Rogan?

  Now we do.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  And I do, it is, I do think you have to like salt the earth too where all the DEI stuff is. They're like, oh, they're getting, they're going too far and blah. I'm like, no, you've got to root this shit out. It needs to be gone. Like, because like you said, it is an ideology. So it's harder to kind of change the minds of people who have been indoctrinated with this in colleges and schools. But get it out of the institutions. Saying that you like, that there should be male or female on a passport is not like, that shouldn't be something that's fucking mind blowing.

• 1:14:05Joe Rogan?

  Did you see that DNC meeting where they were talking about gender roles?

• 1:14:08Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:10Speaker 01

  But this is what I mean.

• 1:14:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, they can't even do their own math. They're trying to figure out like, we have one non-binary and one, one identifies as male. We have to have two identify as this.

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  It's frustrating to someone who came from the left. All of this was left-wing stuff. Like, we wanted on the left accountability. We wanted to look into the budget. We, at some point in the 90s, that was something that was pretty standard and popular. Bipartisan to like, not want to be a trillion dollars in debt and have your dollar devalued. And then you're like, oh, surely they're gonna learn from this election. And I, then you see the DNC chair nominations. They have a parade of like, basically nonsensical land acknowledgements. What you're talking about.

• 1:14:57Joe Rogan?

  Land acknowledgements are my favorite.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Land acknowledgements are my favorite too. And then elect two basic bitch white boys.

• 1:15:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  David Hogg.

• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  This is, this is what you've learned from?

• 1:15:11Joe Rogan?

  Also, if you don't want the male vote, that's the guy. When that guy has his arm up in the air, his arm literally looks like that ancient guru that keeps his one arm in the air for like 80 years. And his arm is shriveled up into the stick. That's what it looks like. He's like, fight. Like, bro, you're not fighting shit. This is so crazy.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  I know. I love how they're like, we lost the male vote. We need to do some reflection. And then this is, this is a, this is what I don't understand.

• 1:15:38Joe Rogan?

  Talk the talk.

• 1:15:39Speaker 01

  I don't get it. It feels, it feels strange to me. That feels, that feels like, I, I feel like you would have learned from this election. You had, because the other thing that they're doing is saying this is an unelected shadow government running. I'm like, who the fuck do you think was running the government for the last four years when we had pudding brain in there? It wasn't him. We all knew that. He couldn't even do like field questions until he was pumped with drugs after a certain like, how can you say Elon's pretty transparent, you know, he's not like hiding things. He's trying to shine light on things.

• 1:16:17Joe Rogan?

  It's just not their side. So their side is good, not their side is bad, which is why they're not looking.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  How do we get past this?

• 1:16:24Joe Rogan?

  You don't. It has to crumble. You have to watch these people implode. They have to double down. It has to get worse. And then more people have to abandon them for the point where someone has to rise and it'll have to be a young person and that young person will have to be a sensible person who actually is like a real progressive who recognizes that there's a lot of fucking actual corruption and and real problems with the system. And then there could be a lot more social programs that would help people that would make the whole world a better place. And those people have to rise and they have to be not ideologically captured. They have to be reasonable, intelligent people. The problem is, everybody comes out of universities and all these universities are captured.

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:04Joe Rogan?

  All these universities are filled with these radical ideologies that people are indoctrinated in. You leave your parents, you don't want to fuck my parents are fucking, my parents are fascists. And then all of a sudden you're in school and you're like, yeah, there's 80 genders and you're fucking out of your mind. And then it takes years of living in the real world before it comes back around. We go, hey, you know what? This is actually bullshit. So it's like a process that has to take place.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  But do you think they're still being taught this?

• 1:17:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  So it's.

• 1:17:35Joe Rogan?

  It's unquestionably, without a doubt, they are being taught this.

• 1:17:38Speaker 01

  Because so much of DEI and all this stuff that they're dismantling is basically an entire industry that was created for all of these people with these useless degrees and nonsense education to have a job.

• 1:17:51Joe Rogan?

  And they got all the way to Harvard, the top of Harvard.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which is wild. As a plagiarist, got to be the president of Harvard. It didn't matter if it made sense. It mattered if it felt, if it fit the narrative.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  I think this election too was, I was like, I don't know, this could go badly when I put out that like, you know, like I put out that I was voting, I'm like, well, like I could, whatever.

• 1:18:14Joe Rogan?

  You can get cancelled.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  I, maybe, but I had to be honest, but I still, I mean, one of the clips that like came from the show is when we were talking about there being a red wave. And it was right before the midterms and people for years were like, oh, guess you were wrong about that. And it's like, we weren't really wrong. We were perceiving something that was happening. I think it just happened in the general. It didn't happen in the midterms. You had people who, like, people were still coming out of Covid, by the way.

• 1:18:46Joe Rogan?

  Way less people vote in the midterms.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  And you had people like trying to get their lives back together after being locked up for two years or whatever. They were just like stumbling out of the Covid years, their kids couldn't talk.

• 1:18:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we were right. We're defending ourselves. We were right. We were just a little off in timeline.

• 1:19:03Speaker 01

  No, we were wrong about that, for sure. But I do think-

• 1:19:07Joe Rogan?

  But we were right about the general.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  Well, I, I think-

• 1:19:09Joe Rogan?

  That red wave happened.

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  It's been something I, I think like, for all the shit that lots of people get, there's, there has been like wave after wave after wave of people leaving the Democratic Party. You know, I'm still seeing it online. Someone just yesterday posted some video and it was like, I'm done with you. I was like, how are you guys still shedding people?

• 1:19:32Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna keep shedding people. This isn't, they're not gonna correct course. This is a, this is a, you know, this is a buffalo drop. Do you know those buffalo jumps?

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:19:45Joe Rogan?

  You know what those, the Native Americans used to, one of the ways to hunt buffalo was to get them to the edge of a cliff and just run at them and they just fall off the other edge of the cliff and then people be waiting on the bottom and they butcher them and eat them.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  We're, we're in that pile of buffalo.

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  We're all being run off the cliff?

• 1:20:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're gonna go off the cliff. There's, there's no way they're not.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:05Joe Rogan?

  They're not course correcting at all. You know, they're saying stupid shit. It's, it's all nonsense.

• 1:20:10Speaker 01

  I don't.

• 1:20:10Joe Rogan?

  Like, their, their, their understanding of social media and the dynamics that you set up by having completely state-controlled mainstream media, where they only said the narratives that you guys wanted. They all said it in step, so you could watch different programs, repeat the exact same words, the exact same phrases. We know they got talking points. We don't trust you anymore. We don't trust the New York Times. We don't trust the Washington Post. We don't trust CNN or any of the MSNBC, where they're all full with propaganda.

• 1:20:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:40Joe Rogan?

  And so, that's why the internet rose. It's not because there was some sort of a fucking right-wing conspiracy and heavily funded. No, you guys suck. You guys fucking suck. And you're not real people and you're not, like, nobody wants to hang out with Brian Stelter. You know what I'm saying? There's the, none of these fucking people are people that people can actually relate to and like.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  So much of it was bullshit too. Like, I didn't really understand media when I first came into media. I'd always been like in Hollywood and comedy and then ended up in media. And one of the first parties I was ever exposed to was like the height of a lot of this, like, 2018. And it was very divided and people were in true like, oh, Trump is like gonna ruin the world. And there was a Daily Beast party and Ann Coulter was there and like, people were all just hanging out. I'm like, these people don't fucking believe anything they're saying. I mean, Ann probably does, but these guys don't. Like, how, and then I would see this over and over again where people would fight. And then they'd get off and they'd like, I'll be like, see you at the playdate. You know, and it's like, oh.

• 1:21:47Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  There was like something very strange to me about that, where so much.

• 1:21:52Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember that old cartoon where there was the sheepdog and the coyote?

• 1:21:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:55Joe Rogan?

  And they would say hi to each other in the morning and punch in, and then they'd fuck each other up all day?

• 1:21:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. That's how it felt. That's exactly.

• 1:22:02Joe Rogan?

  Morning, Ralph. Morning, Sam.

• 1:22:05Speaker 01

  That's exactly how it felt.

• 1:22:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what it's really like. It's pro wrestling.

• 1:22:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:10Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, that's one of the things that Kamala Harris said after her debate with Joe Biden, where she called, she believed Joe Biden's accuser, that, you know, he had sexually assaulted some woman. Remember that? She said she believed it and this and that. And then they asked her about it on Colbert. She's like, "It was a debate. It was a debate." And they're laughing, "Of course. It's just a debate." Now you're his fucking vice president. This is so nuts. So you said you think the guy's a rapist, and now you think he's awesome to run the country, and you're so proud of him. We did it, Joe. Like, this is crazy. Like, we can't trust you if you're willing to do that for a debate.

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:51Joe Rogan?

  Your debate should be what you really think. You should say, "I don't know what happened." You know, "I don't know what happened. It's a very troubling accusation, but of course, I don't know what happened." For you to say that you believe it just because you want to win, now all of a sudden I have to say, "Well, I don't know if I can trust you about foreign policy. I don't know if I can trust you about the economy. I don't know if I can trust you about censorship and the need for a social credit score," or all these different things. Like, what is the real person behind these actions? Are you entirely motivated by money and influence? Because that seems like a lot of them.

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  It's upsetting to me, though, because even though it's like, we can see it's like wrestling, and some of these people are full of shit, and they're all buddies and whatever, like, hanging out at Park City or hanging out wherever they hang out, like, the real people are, I see how, like, broken some of the Elon thing recently. Really, it was like a whole new wave of people who were like, "I don't know if I can talk to you." I've managed to survive, like, eight years of the culture war, still maintaining pretty okay relationships with even the most staunch liberals in my life. And the Elon thing, for some reason, you know, the hand gesture.

• 1:24:04Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the Hitler thing?

• 1:24:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. It, like, put people over the edge, and they were like, "I can't, I don't know if I can, you know, be friends with a Nazi apologist." And like, I'm like... How have I made it this far? But I legitimately feel bad because the media has told these people that there was this was literally Hitler for many, many years. And then he's up there shaking hands with Obama. There's, you know, Joe Biden, they're all up there. It's a peaceful transfer of power. Like if this

• 1:24:32Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen the Kamala one?

• 1:24:33Speaker 01

  They're very confused.

• 1:24:34Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen the Kamala one doing the how Hitler?

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:24:37Joe Rogan?

  You haven't seen it? Yeah, I'll send it to you, Jamie, if you haven't seen it. Uh, it's, look, a lot of people do that gesture. That gesture is from my heart to you. It's, that's what it is. It's just, you really shouldn't do that if you are, uh, you know, if you're standing on a stage and you have an angry look in your face.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  I was joking too, like, what if it was just this kind of autism and he did it? And then in his brain, he's like, oh shit, that looked like a Nazi salute. And then he did it, like, if I do it again, then it won't. And then it's just this cascading freak out. And he's like, from my heart, I love you.

• 1:25:07Joe Rogan?

  Boy, Apple made it like real weird finding things now. They, they keep messing with this fucking interface.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  You're like, I can't, I can't search Kamala Nazi salute on Apple anymore.

• 1:25:20Joe Rogan?

  I know I have it and I know it's good. Let me find it, you fuckheads.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  I haven't seen it.

• 1:25:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's wonderful.

• 1:25:26Speaker 01

  Cause usually it's just a picture and then they show the context and it's not really actually that.

• 1:25:32Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, this is great. Of course it's not that. Of course the context is not that, but here, this is, this is, I'm sorry, this is AOC.

• 1:25:39Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:25:41Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen this one?

• 1:25:42Speaker 01

  I haven't seen this one.

• 1:25:43Joe Rogan?

  Give me the, the volume.

• 1:25:57Joe Rogan?

  Everybody does that move.

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  Everybody does.

• 1:26:00Joe Rogan?

  Tim Walz did that move.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:02Joe Rogan?

  Kamala Harris did that move. They all did that move.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, when you're announcing people to a stage.

• 1:26:07Joe Rogan?

  Thank you, thank you, I love you.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  But here's the problem when you're, I just wrote a column about this, like when, when it is the boy who cries Nazi, you know, the nerds who cry Nazi for all these years, like, it does end up running cover for Nazis.

• 1:26:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, 100%. 100%. That's part of the real problem. There was one actual real Nazi that I was following for a while on Twitter. I didn't even have to follow them. I clicked on their links a bunch of times and then it just started showing up in my feed. I'm like, okay, good. Now I don't have to follow you.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:26:37Joe Rogan?

  I could see this insanity.

• 1:26:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:26:39Joe Rogan?

  It was crazy.

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Well, that's why I love free speech, because you're like, I would rather see this.

• 1:26:44Joe Rogan?

  Look, X has porn. Hardcore porn.

• 1:26:47Speaker 01

  Oh, I know.

• 1:26:47Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it has everything.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  You have to watch it on X now because you can't watch it on...

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  You can't get a pornhub?

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:26:54Joe Rogan?

  It's all very weird.

• 1:26:55Speaker 01

  Thank you, Elon.

• 1:26:56Joe Rogan?

  It's all very, very, very weird.

• 1:26:58Speaker 01

  No, it is.

• 1:26:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a very, very strange time for people to try to figure out what's real and what's not. And you're not going to get a good roadmap from your leaders. You're just not.

• 1:27:06Speaker 01

  But, and I don't think, like, it's... We're not... Like, I've been joking, like, "We are the fake news now," you know?

• 1:27:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we said that today because... What did they post? That was the video, right?

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:18Joe Rogan?

  The fake video. Yeah, you wrote, "We are the fake news now."

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  Because, I mean...

• 1:27:23Joe Rogan?

  Because that was fake news.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  We're just as susceptible to sharing stuff that's not true.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  I think there's a big difference between a massive organization being influenced with talking points by a government and corporations to present something versus an idiot sharing, you know, propaganda without knowing it. But, I do wonder, like, how you have to... You know, I was talking to someone, like, is there a way to... I think you have to just, like, pause, you know? I assume everything is fake. That's my default. I think you start from there and then you try and do your detective work.

• 1:28:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. This is my thing. "Oh, my God, is that real? That doesn't seem real."

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:28:09Joe Rogan?

  "Let me see if that's real." And then I check.

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:12Joe Rogan?

  But that's something over time. Before, when I was younger, I'd be like, "I want that to be real, so that's gotta be real."

• 1:28:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:28:19Joe Rogan?

  Right? That's a problem.

• 1:28:21Speaker 01

  Well, that's how my husband kind of taught me to evaluate everything that I get from the media. He's like...

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  I, I look at something and I go, do I want this to be real or not real? And if so, why?

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that's right.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  Like, if you start there.

• 1:28:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:40Speaker 01

  You have a chance.

• 1:28:41Joe Rogan?

  That's me with UFOs.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 1:28:44Joe Rogan?

  That's the, that's my whole UFO take, because I, clearly, I want them to be real so bad.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  I want them to be real so badly.

• 1:28:50Joe Rogan?

  Desk here, I want them to be real so bad, but, eh, the more I'm walking and look into it, the more I don't believe.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:28:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, I think a lot of it is horseshit, a lot of it, but also, maybe some of it's real.

• 1:29:05Speaker 01

  It's so unsettling to think that we're the only things out there for me that I wanted to, it's like, that can't be, surely.

• 1:29:15Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't seem like it even makes sense that that's true, so I don't think that that's true. But I, I do not know if we've been visited, but I think a lot of it is bullshit. I think, it's not just bullshit, I think it's probably government-coordinated bullshit. I think there's probably sightings that are mass psy-ops, where they're trying to see how people react to things. I think there's probably crafts that the United States is in possession of that absolutely look like UFOs. I think there's probably propulsion systems that they use for drones that are infinitely more advanced than we currently think the state of the art is.

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  Right, and so they'd say, oh, it's UFO, and it's really their technology.

• 1:29:53Joe Rogan?

  But that doesn't account for the sightings that occurred when it was impossible for that technology to exist.

• 1:29:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:29:58Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't take you back to like 1950s with Kenneth Arnold, where he saw those flying discs moving through the sky, which is where the term flying saucer came from, because it was like saucers skipping across the lake.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  And what about all the people kind of all over the world who have experienced like a similar thing? And, and why do all the drawings always look the same? Is that just collective conscious? People have seen one and then they think that, or is it, you know how they always look like aliens?

• 1:30:23Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of possibilities, and another possibility is that the world's not real.

• 1:30:27Speaker 01

  And we're in a simulation.

• 1:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's something...

• 1:30:31Joe Rogan?

  Maybe not... Maybe saying "the world's not real" is not the best way to put it.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  It makes me so like, I want to crawl out of my skin.

• 1:30:38Joe Rogan?

  Maybe the best way to put it is that it's not real the way we think it's real. Like, there's real consequences to your actions. There's real, physical laws that exist in the experience that you're having as a conscious creature moving through this world. But this world's not totally solid all the time. It's solid when you interact with it. There's a... The rest of it is vague and weird and malleable. And that it's constantly changing. And that you wake and sleep and wake and sleep and assume that every time you wake up, you're in the same exact area, the same space, the environment looks the same.

• 1:31:22Joe Rogan?

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• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  It seems so real.

• 1:33:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it all seems so real, but it also seems fake, right?

• 1:33:42Speaker 01

  Well, more and more.

• 1:33:44Joe Rogan?

  There's like, I'm sure you know the whole Baron Trump story. You know, the, the, the ancient books that talked about a guy named Elon is going to go to Mars.

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:33:54Joe Rogan?

  You never saw about that?

• 1:33:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:33:55Joe Rogan?

  It is so crazy that even Elon saw that. It's like, is this real? Like, how is this real? Was it from 1853?

• 1:34:03Speaker 01

  Why does this have to do with Baron Trump?

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Because it's about a guy named Baron Trump and his, uh, his guru is named Don. Yeah.

• 1:34:11Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:34:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  I feel like I like saw something like this and I was like.

• 1:34:17Joe Rogan?

  Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey.

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  What is this? It's like an old.

• 1:34:20Joe Rogan?

  It's a book from.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  Who wrote it?

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  It is from 1893. Nearly forgotten Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey blends of science fiction and fantasy in a story told by little Baron Trump, an aristocrat boy, there you go, that's what he is, who sets out from Castle Trump, which is where he lives, to discover a world within a world that he read about in a 15th century manuscript. Celebrated thinker in philosophy, he learned Spaniard Don from, Don, Don, his guy Don, yeah. Joined Baron Trump and his faithful dog and companion Bulger. They set off in northern Russia in search of portals, subterranean. But there's also the other thing, they go back to Castle Trump. There's the other thing about Werner von Braun. So Werner von Braun, who was the head of NASA,

• 1:35:05Joe Rogan?

  wrote a novel, a fictional novel, about a guy named Elon that takes us to Mars.

• 1:35:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so there's like parts of reality that don't seem real.

• 1:35:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:20Joe Rogan?

  They seem like, like a, like a wink, like an Easter egg. Like someone is like winking at you.

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:35:28Joe Rogan?

  Through the simulation.

• 1:35:29Speaker 01

  I'm just like an extra in the simulation.

• 1:35:31Joe Rogan?

  You're a part of it. It's your version of it that you're going through. You are, you are the person who's experiencing your world. I just don't know if your world and my world are exactly the same.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:44Joe Rogan?

  I think they're bubbles. I think they're bubbles. And I think the way you interface with the world changes the, what your bubble consists of.

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:35:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and I, I think it's all very, it's very weird. I don't think it's as simple as that rancher lady thinks when she gets up and feeds her chickens. I think that's her world.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:36:08Joe Rogan?

  That's her world. But I think the, the universe itself and how we interact consciously with it and all the things around us, I think it's squirrely.

• 1:36:17Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:36:17Joe Rogan?

  I think it's real squirrely. And I think every now and then the universe shows us something like this fucking Werner von Braun book, where you go, what? E- what the, even the name Elon and Mars, like what are the fucking odds? And then it turns out that Elon was actually named by his father when his father read that book.

• 1:36:35Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:36:37Joe Rogan?

  But no, even crazier. Because what is the odds your son's gonna be the guy who goes to fucking Mars?

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  My, my daughter is obsessed with Mars. And we, we always like know all the planets and it's weird. I have no obsession with Mars. But she's obsessed with the stars, the planets. She can point them out at night. She's like, that's Jupiter, that's Mars, blah, blah, blah. And we asked her one day, we said, where do, which planet do humans live on? And she said, Earth and Mars. And I was like, maybe.

• 1:37:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, you saw the square.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:05Joe Rogan?

  That square on Mars.

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  Is that real?

• 1:37:07Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that's real.

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  That's a real?

• 1:37:09Joe Rogan?

  That's a real image. It's a real satellite image of Mars where you see a square structure. By the way, it's right down the street. It's like a hike away from Sidonia, the face on Mars. So it's a hike away from that thing that they saw from. The, oh god, I wanna say it was like the 1970s. They sent a satellite to Mars to take photographs of the surface. And they saw this thing that looked like a face. The face on Mars, though, it seems like what that is is just light with shitty resolution. And it looked like a face. What's interesting more about the face on Mars, so that's the original image.

• 1:37:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:37:46Joe Rogan?

  See, the problem with that is, it's just, it's not clear enough. It could be anything.

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:51Joe Rogan?

  Now, um, go to the modern images of the face on Mars. You can see them right there, it's right below.

• 1:37:56Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:37:56Joe Rogan?

  See the slack, right there.

• 1:37:57Speaker 01

  Okay, that's kinda creepy.

• 1:37:59Joe Rogan?

  To the right, to the right. Yeah, right there, click on that. So that's what it actually looks like.

• 1:38:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:38:04Joe Rogan?

  So you could see how that just looks like a mountain.

• 1:38:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:38:08Joe Rogan?

  But what's interesting is the shape of it. The shape of it is weird. How it curves at the bottom and it's kinda equal sided. And it goes up to the top and it has right angle turns. So that image of what that thing is, where that's located, is just a small hike away from this immense square that they've discovered. That's 200, they don't know exactly how big it is, but the rough estimate is somewhere around 200 meters across.

• 1:38:33Speaker 01

  What do they think it is?

• 1:38:35Joe Rogan?

  It's a structure. That's what I think it is. I don't think it can be anything other than a structure.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  What does Elon think it is?

• 1:38:42Joe Rogan?

  Uh, he thought it was wild.

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  Has he commented on it?

• 1:38:45Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I sent him a text message, I said, "Imagine if you go up there and you find evidence of a previous civilization." And he's like, "That is fucking wild." It's wild, because that's a real square.

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  What the, yeah, that just doesn't seem like that would exist.

• 1:38:58Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't seem like it's po- it doesn't seem like it's possible for it to be a perfect square.

• 1:39:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's crazy. I thought this was fake.

• 1:39:05Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. No, it's real. It's real. It's very disturbing, because that's a, that's a fairly high resolution image. Um, and Elon has backed a mission to Mars to go and check that out. They wanna check it out. See, there's an article right there from the Daily Mail, Elon Backs Mission to Mars.

• 1:39:22Joe Rogan?

  Where he wants to send something up there to check it out.

• 1:39:27Joe Rogan?

  If you see these images, like they're, I don't think there's a chance in hell that that's not made by someone.

• 1:39:32Speaker 01

  That seems very strange.

• 1:39:33Joe Rogan?

  I don't think that nature makes a square.

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  No, I mean.

• 1:39:37Joe Rogan?

  Is that a rectangle or a square? I mean, what are the, it looks, is it perfectly square? It might be slightly off, whatever it is, it's four right angle turns that have equal lengths.

• 1:39:47Speaker 01

  Conspiracy theorists have likened the structure of the Great Pyramid in Egypt.

• 1:39:52Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, conspiracy theorist is a nice way to put it.

• 1:39:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:54Joe Rogan?

  How about just people looking at it going, what the fuck is that?

• 1:39:57Speaker 01

  I know, why do they always call them conspiracy theorists?

• 1:40:00Joe Rogan?

  Cause they're assholes. They're assholes and they work for the Daily Mail. So it's right down the street from that area, which is really crazy.

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  And what do they think the face is, just like a giant stuck in the Mars Martian surface?

• 1:40:11Joe Rogan?

  I don't think anybody really thinks it's a face anymore. If you scroll up and look at that image from July nineteen seventy-six, that image. What's interesting to me is not the face, cause I don't think it's a face. But what's interesting to me is the shape of the base of it. The shape of the base of it is weird.

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  It's flat on the bottom, equal sided and domed on the top. It looks unnatural. It doesn't mean it's unnatural, there's a lot of shit that looks unnatural in nature that is actually natural, but not squares. That giant square where it looks like building.

• 1:40:41Speaker 01

  There was like a civilization there?

• 1:40:43Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, the thing is Mars had a real atmosphere. Mars had, Mars has liquid water.

• 1:40:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:40:50Joe Rogan?

  We know it does. And at one point in time, they think that Mars was capable of sustaining life. So if you imagine the planets over time get further and further away from the sun. If you go back a billion years, how much closer was Mars to the sun? And what was the temperature like?

• 1:41:07Speaker 01

  And we were like Venus?

• 1:41:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:11Joe Rogan?

  There's people that believe that the initial civilization escaped Mars and came to Earth.

• 1:41:15Speaker 01

  Ah, what about the moons of Jupiter?

• 1:41:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's one.

• 1:41:21Speaker 01

  Europa or something?

• 1:41:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Europa, that's solid ice. And they think underneath that, well, the surface is solid ice. And they think underneath that is liquid water and the liquid water is capable of supporting life. So it's possible. Especially when you see like those thermal vents that they find in the bottom of the ocean that sustain some form of life. There might be some form of life inside the oceans of Europa.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  Are you joking about all this stuff?

• 1:41:43Joe Rogan?

  No. No, I'm not joking about Mars. That image is, it sounds really crazy.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  No, I mean, like, are you joking about it on stage?

• 1:41:49Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes. I used to have this whole bit about Mars. But there's places in America that you can't live to. Like, go to Death Valley, look around, sucks, right? No one lives here. Like, that's because it sucks. Get out of here. You don't, you're not gonna fix that? And you're gonna go fix Mars?

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  I mean, I have no desire.

• 1:42:04Joe Rogan?

  The whole planet has no air.

• 1:42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it's not appealing to me at all. Some people, you watch these documentaries and they're like, "I think of Mars like my second home and I wanna go live there." I'm like, it sounds horrible.

• 1:42:14Joe Rogan?

  They also think they're a cat. I'm also, I'm also a foxkin.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  Space just feels claustrophobic to me, even though it's vast and, like, until you can build things that make it feel a little more like, I just am like, I don't wanna get in a tube and like go live in a... Do you watch Silo?

• 1:42:34Joe Rogan?

  No, I haven't watched it.

• 1:42:35Speaker 01

  I love Silo. I love anything that's like post-apocalyptic show where people are living in in a wasteland or in some weird, and they're underground in all these silos and they all have to live and there's people at the bottom and it's really, but it's like definitely like, they've never seen the sun, they've never seen the sky, you know, it's like they have an alternate history that's been kind of told to them.

• 1:43:02Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 1:43:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's all possible.

• 1:43:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's like a post-nuclear world, like when the AI gets smart and nukes us all.

• 1:43:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but how are we gonna get vitamin D down there? It's not good.

• 1:43:14Speaker 01

  They have like plants and trees and...

• 1:43:16Joe Rogan?

  Vitamin D from plants?

• 1:43:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, I don't know. Do you, now that you like burned the boat and all of your stuff, are you just kinda having fun rebuilding?

• 1:43:27Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 1:43:27Speaker 01

  Like you, now that you just like did all your material.

• 1:43:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, stand-up wise? Yeah, just having fun. Just trying to come up with a new hour and fucking around.

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  It's so fun.

• 1:43:38Joe Rogan?

  It's a, you know, it's a weird time for comedy.

• 1:43:42Speaker 01

  Do you think?

• 1:43:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it's a really good time for comedy.

• 1:43:46Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I feel like it's a great time.

• 1:43:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's so much information. But it's a weird time, too, because, you know, like, the, the center of comedy has now moved to Texas.

• 1:43:54Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 1:43:55Joe Rogan?

  So that's weird. That's a crazy thing.

• 1:43:57Speaker 01

  That's your fault.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  And it's also moved online, which is also a crazy thing. Like, the, the main promotional aspect of comedy is now online.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  I heard Jesselneck talking about this, about being like a clips comic. Like, he was, he was, I saw a clip of him going around, talking about being a clips comic and how...

• 1:44:14Joe Rogan?

  How ironic.

• 1:44:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's very meta. Um, it was, but he was talking about how before, people would recognize him, like, in the old ways, and now people recog- recog- it's like a different, he said it's like a different level of fame from when he was famous before, just for stand-up. Now, he's like the clips guy. But I think, like, everyone's, that's like everyone, right?

• 1:44:36Joe Rogan?

  It's just a different medium. It's all it is.

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  I've talked to a...

• 1:44:39Joe Rogan?

  It's, I mean, it's no different than you being on some Comedy Central show. It's just way more impactful.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  I've talked to a lot of people about how the, like, uh, videos, the, the, you know, the, like, crowd work videos have changed crowds.

• 1:44:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, people want to chime in.

• 1:44:55Speaker 01

  Because now, crowds think they're helping you by chiming in. And so, it's like, actually, most, because it's some crazy percentage of people who have never been to a comedy show, at, at a comedy show. Like, a very high percentage of people have never been to a comedy show, at every comedy show. Isn't that weird? It's, it's like, quite high.

• 1:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Interesting, right? So they're accustomed to seeing, like...

• 1:45:17Speaker 01

  Like, the crowd work stuff?

• 1:45:18Joe Rogan?

  Stuff, yeah.

• 1:45:20Speaker 01

  And so, they think they're actually helping you by heckling, so that you can get your...

• 1:45:25Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they think they're helping you. I think they want to be heard.

• 1:45:27Speaker 01

  They want to be a part of it.

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  That's the way they get in. "I'm helping!" You just want to chime in, yeah. I, I saw some video clip of some lady losing her shit on some guy in the audience.

• 1:45:38Speaker 01

  Oh, I saw this.

• 1:45:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's very weird.

• 1:45:41Speaker 01

  And everyone was like, "This is amazing!"

• 1:45:42Joe Rogan?

  It's not really amazing.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  I was like, "It seems, uh, uh, like, upsetting."

• 1:45:49Joe Rogan?

  It's also not very well handled. Like, the, the whole experience is not expertly, it's, there's not a lot of humor in there. You know.

• 1:45:57Speaker 01

  People love it. They're like, yeah, that this is comedy. It's subjective, I guess. Some people look at that.

• 1:46:02Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's not comedy. That's just talking, people talking.

• 1:46:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  And one person with a microphone in power and one person in the audience that's like challenging that and give me the microphone and it's fuck you and you know.

• 1:46:13Speaker 01

  It's wild, like the clips thing. The clips are are like feeding feeding the algorithm is fricking. It's such a crazy thing to me.

• 1:46:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's with everything, right? Clips from podcasts are way more popular than the podcasts themselves.

• 1:46:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:46:27Joe Rogan?

  So many clips go viral on, you know, X.

• 1:46:30Speaker 01

  You think TikTok's gonna be banned?

• 1:46:33Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:46:33Speaker 01

  No? We'll keep it?

• 1:46:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, I don't think so. The fucking president uses it. I met the fucking CEO of TikTok when I was at the inauguration.

• 1:46:43Speaker 01

  What was that like?

• 1:46:45Joe Rogan?

  Like, uh, being in Satan's balls.

• 1:46:49Speaker 01

  Where?

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  Just going to the actual fucking.

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  Inauguration?

• 1:46:54Joe Rogan?

  The actual house of government, being in the actual buildings where all this stuff gets done. It's very, very strange.

• 1:47:02Speaker 01

  How long were you there?

• 1:47:04Joe Rogan?

  Couple of days.

• 1:47:05Speaker 01

  And so you went to the like some of the balls, the balls?

• 1:47:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:09Speaker 01

  Was it like Hunger Games? Like what?

• 1:47:12Joe Rogan?

  It's like really rich, entitled people that donated a lot of money and they they just like jump in front of you to take pictures with you. They don't care who you're talking to. They don't care. Everybody was like super pushy. It's all very transactional. Everybody needs to get on your podcast and needs to talk to you about a thing and you have to get this person. It's like everything's exhausting. And everybody's wealthy. So and they're also, they spent a lot of money to get there. Like a lot of those people, they donated like a million dollars.

• 1:47:38Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 1:47:39Joe Rogan?

  So it's like tons of thousands of people donated a million dollars.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Just to be there?

• 1:47:44Joe Rogan?

  Just to be there. And they're all fucking just super enthusiastic because their team just won.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:47:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, and it's the inauguration of the president and Kid Rock's there and everyone's going crazy. And it was fun for a while. It was me and Tony Hinchcliffe and Theo Von and, um.

• 1:48:02Speaker 01

  Lex?

• 1:48:02Joe Rogan?

  Logan Paul was there.

• 1:48:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I saw that.

• 1:48:04Joe Rogan?

  And Jake Paul. And we were all having a good old time. We were laughing and having fun. And then too many people just started swarming us. And then it was just like, you're dealing with like 10,000 people in this room and you can't move. You can't go anywhere.

• 1:48:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:48:18Joe Rogan?

  And it got crazy. It's really, you couldn't have a conversation. You you you had to just try to get out of there.

• 1:48:23Speaker 01

  Was the inauguration like? Moving? Was it, did you?

• 1:48:27Joe Rogan?

  Fascinating.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  Was it weird to be part of all that like pomp and?

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, it was very weird. Very, very.

• 1:48:34Speaker 01

  Were you in the main?

• 1:48:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I was on the stage. I was in the fifth row.

• 1:48:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:48:40Joe Rogan?

  I was like right there.

• 1:48:41Speaker 01

  I was unaware.

• 1:48:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:43Speaker 01

  Looking at Lauren Sanchez's tits.

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I could have thrown a pebble and hit Hillary Clinton in the head.

• 1:48:48Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:48:49Joe Rogan?

  They were right there. It was weird. First of all, it's weird watching like Bill Clinton walk into a room.

• 1:48:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:48:56Joe Rogan?

  He's real. That's him.

• 1:48:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:59Joe Rogan?

  All the shit that guy's escaped and there he is, right there on TV. Hey, how you doing? Good to see you.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  You're taking good emotions.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Weird. It's weird. It's weird. It's weird seeing those people.

• 1:49:10Speaker 01

  It's funny they let you in there.

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  I know, right?

• 1:49:14Speaker 01

  Whenever I'm in situations like that, I'm like, how do they, why are they letting me in here? They should know better.

• 1:49:19Joe Rogan?

  I thought of that a little, but you know, it's cool. It was weird.

• 1:49:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:24Joe Rogan?

  You only get to be at one of those maybe once in your life if you're really lucky. Especially that one, which was indoors, because it was insanely cold outside.

• 1:49:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that seems like probably better.

• 1:49:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, it was cold as fuck outside too. Definitely better for security. But it was very cold outside and windy and shit.

• 1:49:42Speaker 01

  Is it weird to be like, I don't know, I was looking at all the people up there and it was just, it seems like it's so much. I don't know. It seems like it's, it's just like, is everyone kissing the ring? Does it feel kinda like? You know what I mean? Is it like a, I don't know. Does it feel kinda gross or is it, was it like cool?

• 1:50:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, it feels strange, right? It feels strange that it's real. It also feels strange that we're, we're standing up because there's a standing ovation every like 15 seconds. We're gonna turn the Gulf of Mexico and the Gulf of America and we're all standing up. Fuck yeah, we're gonna do that.

• 1:50:24Joe Rogan?

  It was fun watching George Bush. George Bush was the only guy clapping. He was having a good time. All the other presidents looked deeply disturbed.

• 1:50:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:30Joe Rogan?

  Kamala Harris had this like, this motherfucker look on her face the entire time, like. She sat there like this the entire time.

• 1:50:37Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, obviously.

• 1:50:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, he's talking about how bad they sucked.

• 1:50:43Speaker 01

  And she lost. And she has to sit there.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  And she's sitting right next to Biden, who's.

• 1:50:48Speaker 01

  Who's not there.

• 1:50:49Joe Rogan?

  Looks, he's just gone.

• 1:50:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then behind them is Obama and George W.

• 1:50:56Speaker 01

  That's wild, man. I was like, I hope there's like a, you know, what's that called when there's like the extra person or whatever? The designated survivor? I'm like.

• 1:51:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because they're all in the room.

• 1:51:08Speaker 01

  You could really fuck America up right now.

• 1:51:10Joe Rogan?

  One bomb. Yeah, I think they're aware of that. I think there's probably steps taken to make sure that the skies are clear.

• 1:51:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:16Joe Rogan?

  But it's very strange, but also kind of exciting. Because like if he really does get to do all this stuff, like if we really do see radical changes, it seems like that's what's happening. And if Bobby Kennedy really does get in, and if Tulsi Gabbard really does get in, like this is a crazy time.

• 1:51:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:36Joe Rogan?

  This is like an unprecedented cabinet of people that are kind of unified and all know each other. They're all friends.

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  And it's also kind of by part, like RFK Junior brought, it's, he brought so many people over. I know so many people who were not going to vote for Trump, but then when he kind of brought RFK Junior over, they were like, alright.

• 1:51:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:56Speaker 01

  I mean, if he's there, and Tulsi too.

• 1:51:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:59Speaker 01

  They're, they're, they were libs.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I don't, I don't know, that, that must have been pretty, I, I.

• 1:52:05Joe Rogan?

  It's bizarre. It's bizarre.

• 1:52:07Speaker 01

  It seemed like, I was like, that must be so surreal to be there, because it was surreal to watch it, just like, when you think about the fact that he nearly got killed. Like, the whole sequence of events that led to that moment.

• 1:52:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  What, the debate where he just like fell apart, all, and it just was surreal to watch. So I was wondering, like, that must be pretty bonkers to be there, and then.

• 1:52:32Joe Rogan?

  He should have seen Biden, his face, the entire time, like, he looked upset, like, almost like he was going to cry at one point in time. He looked so upset at the whole, I think he thinks he could have won.

• 1:52:43Speaker 01

  Do you have any fears about it? Like, what about the Riviera?

• 1:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the Gaza thing?

• 1:52:49Speaker 01

  The Riviera!

• 1:52:50Joe Rogan?

  Riviera of the Middle East!

• 1:52:52Speaker 01

  You did such a good impression of it.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  No, I know that good. It's, uh, yeah, I mean, what's the alternative to that happening? What's the, they're saying no US military will be there. The United States is gonna clean it up, rebuild it, give it to the Palestinians, make it safe.

• 1:53:07Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:53:07Joe Rogan?

  Get rid of Hamas. I mean, the thing is, what Palestinians want is a state.

• 1:53:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:13Joe Rogan?

  They want their own state, and this is like a step sort of away from that.

• 1:53:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:17Joe Rogan?

  Now, it'll be that section of the, that area is now controlled by the United States.

• 1:53:24Speaker 01

  What the fuck? And Greenland. Don't forget Greenland!

• 1:53:27Joe Rogan?

  The question is, like, what's the better option? Like, give it to Hamas? What's the better option? Give it to the Palestinians and they give it to the Islamic State? Like, who, who gets it?

• 1:53:36Speaker 01

  I'm not smart enough for any of this.

• 1:53:38Joe Rogan?

  Also, how did you let it happen in the first place? Like, what, how did this administration let them just bomb the fucking shit out of all those people?

• 1:53:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:46Joe Rogan?

  And blow up an entire city to the point where you, you could even feasibly say that you'd rebuild it? Cause it's not like, before this had happened, if anybody had ever said, "The United States is gonna go into the, to Gaza, and completely rebuild it and make it the United States," everybody'd be like, "Fuck you! You need to give that to Palestine." But once you blow it up, you're like, "Well, I guess, there's nothing left." Like, people are pushing back against it.

• 1:54:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:10Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people are upset, but not as upset as they would if they didn't blow it up.

• 1:54:14Speaker 01

  Oh, that's weird.

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Cause it's, it's weird.

• 1:54:18Speaker 01

  I, yeah, I-

• 1:54:19Joe Rogan?

  It's horrible. And we've just accepted the fact that this is what Israel did. And, you know, for 1,200 people and 250 hostages, they killed 60,000 people.

• 1:54:29Speaker 01

  Is that the actual number, or is that a Hamas number?

• 1:54:31Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what the number is.

• 1:54:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:33Joe Rogan?

  What's the current number of people that are dead in Gaza right now?

• 1:54:37Speaker 01

  It's such a weird thing, too, because Israel, I feel like, has to, like, not win a war, which is a weird thing, where they have to, like, they're in a position where they-

• 1:54:46Joe Rogan?

  They already won the war. I mean, what war?

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:49Joe Rogan?

  It's one army. There's one army and some terrorists. It's like Bill Hicks' joke about Iraq. Like, it's only a war when there's two armies fighting. They're like, "Whoa, Bill, Iraq's the fourth-largest army." He goes, "Yeah, well, after the top two is a huge drop-off." He's like, "The Salvation Army's number three."

• 1:55:05Speaker 01

  I don't want there to be war. I think most people agree on that.

• 1:55:09Joe Rogan?

  Of course, but also, we don't live in Israel, right? We don't have to live with the iron dome because missiles are being shot into your city. And you watch them explode up in the sky because your military has these rockets that shoot up in the sky and missiles and take these fucking missiles out.

• 1:55:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think about like if it was my daughter that was like in some tunnel, I would be like, there'd be no lengths.

• 1:55:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's...

• 1:55:32Speaker 01

  You know, I know that's very selfish of me, but that is, on a personal level, I'm like, I can't even imagine how I would feel in that situation as a parent.

• 1:55:43Joe Rogan?

  Of course. Well, that's the deepest conspiracy theory about why it happened in the first place. It's because Netanyahu was losing power and people were protesting against him in the streets. And what better way to get everybody on your side than to allow an attack to take place? That's the darkest of the false flag conspiracy theories.

• 1:56:01Speaker 01

  I have a lot of people that I know who now think 9/11 was an inside job after October 7th.

• 1:56:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:56:09Speaker 01

  Isn't that crazy? Like, they're like, "Well, if they would do it here, they would do it..." Like, why wouldn't they do it in America? It's been like this kind of reverse leap.

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, anytime you have a big tragedy like 9/11, you're always gonna have a bunch of wild theories. But some of them are interesting. You know, you're supposed to dismiss them all because they're conspiracy theories, but Tower 7 is like, explain that.

• 1:56:35Speaker 01

  I can't. I have people in my life who are very much like, I think, truthers, I think, about this.

• 1:56:44Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird one. That's a weird one.

• 1:56:46Speaker 01

  What's the conspiracy around Tower 7? Just how did it...

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, it collapses like a controlled demolition, completely into its base. No building's ever done that before without being a controlled demolition. And it doesn't have all the signature aspects of a controlled demolition. Like, if you ever watched like when they blow up one of them Vegas casinos?

• 1:57:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:08Joe Rogan?

  Super obvious. It goes bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and it all collapses. It doesn't have that, but it does have something similar in that the effect is the same. So is it possible to do that without having it the way the casinos do it? Is there only one way to have a controlled demolition of a building? Or is it possible that just immense diesel fires weaken the structure uniformly? In such a weird way that it collapsed exactly like a controlled demolition, but it's just the result of this-

• 1:57:40Speaker 01

  It's a coincidence.

• 1:57:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they had diesel generators in the basement of that thing and the whole fucking inside of it was on fire. So when you see it on the outside, you're only seeing like a little bit of fire and some holes, but the entire inside of it was in flames.

• 1:57:51Speaker 01

  We're living in a simulation.

• 1:57:54Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that. Maybe that's another wink, you know, maybe that's another fucking-

• 1:57:58Speaker 01

  We didn't have social media though, thank God.

• 1:58:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:58:01Speaker 01

  During that. Can you imagine?

• 1:58:03Joe Rogan?

  No, but we did have plenty of people that were questioning it once they saw it on television. Cause you saw it on TV and you're like, what is that?

• 1:58:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:09Joe Rogan?

  How does it do that?

• 1:58:10Speaker 01

  Do you remember seeing-

• 1:58:10Joe Rogan?

  That wasn't even hit by a plane.

• 1:58:12Speaker 01

  Do you remember seeing the skyline the first time you went to New York?

• 1:58:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, without the Twin Towers? I don't think I actually saw it.

• 1:58:19Speaker 01

  I took-

• 1:58:20Joe Rogan?

  I went back in 2001. I was there in 2001.

• 1:58:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:24Joe Rogan?

  Maybe 2002. It was probably like a couple of months after September 11th.

• 1:58:27Speaker 01

  I took a train in November and because I took the train in, I always used to take this train in from Rhode Island where I was and I was like, like the, I just, it was so jarring seeing, they were so part of that.

• 1:58:41Joe Rogan?

  They were so huge.

• 1:58:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, and just part, you just took it for granted. That was the like landscape and it was, I'll never forget it, how jarring it was.

• 1:58:49Joe Rogan?

  It was weird too that when they rebuilt it, they didn't make it as tall.

• 1:58:53Speaker 01

  Why didn't they?

• 1:58:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. It's only one building now. It's not two.

• 1:58:57Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:58:58Joe Rogan?

  And it's not as tall. Like, it's pretty tall, but they didn't get crazy. They didn't, "We're gonna make the biggest fucking building the world's ever seen."

• 1:59:06Speaker 01

  It'd be like a middle finger to the world.

• 1:59:08Joe Rogan?

  If Trump was there, he'd be like, "We're gonna have two buildings on the side and one right up your ass." It's like, fuck you. It looks like that. It is, uh, it's smaller. It's smaller than the original buildings.

• 1:59:22Speaker 01

  I do wonder like, I just, I'm so curious about what it's gonna be like for our kids.

• 1:59:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what it looks like now.

• 1:59:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:30Joe Rogan?

  Is it the tallest building in the US? Yeah, but it's not as tall, right?

• 1:59:33Speaker 03

  I don't know what the height was.

• 1:59:36Joe Rogan?

  I think it's shorter.

• 1:59:38Speaker 03

  No, if it's shorter than a.

• 1:59:40Joe Rogan?

  Still the tallest.

• 1:59:41Speaker 03

  The World Trade Center wasn't the tallest building.

• 1:59:43Joe Rogan?

  No, not in the world.

• 1:59:44Speaker 03

  No, in the US even.

• 1:59:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it wasn't?

• 1:59:45Speaker 03

  The Sears Tower was bigger.

• 1:59:47Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:59:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100%.

• 1:59:49Joe Rogan?

  Where's the Sears Tower?

• 1:59:50Speaker 01

  Chicago.

• 1:59:51Joe Rogan?

  That's taller than the World Trade Center?

• 1:59:53Speaker 03

  It was.

• 1:59:54Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:59:54Speaker 03

  Now, this is the tallest.

• 1:59:55Joe Rogan?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:59:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. The Sears Tower was the tallest building in the world for a while.

• 1:59:59Joe Rogan?

  So, the Twin Towers were taller than the Sears Tower?

• 2:00:03Speaker 01

  They were shorter.

• 2:00:04Joe Rogan?

  They were shorter.

• 2:00:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know why you're saying that, I guess.

• 2:00:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's the same, oh, it has the same name as the North Tower of the original. How tall is it? It is shorter though, right? Isn't it?

• 2:00:18Speaker 03

  I don't know that. So, the Willis Tower was the tallest one.

• 2:00:21Joe Rogan?

  I remember people being upset when they were rebuilding it because it wasn't going to be as tall.

• 2:00:27Speaker 03

  1776?

• 2:00:29Joe Rogan?

  So, 110 stories was the original one. And it was, the tower was 1,350 feet high. How tall is the one?

• 2:00:40Speaker 03

  1776.

• 2:00:42Joe Rogan?

  So, it's taller?

• 2:00:43Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:00:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute. Really?

• 2:00:47Speaker 03

  I don't, yep.

• 2:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Can I see the image again?

• 2:00:49Speaker 03

  I don't know where else you want me to go with this.

• 2:00:50Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. Is it because they cheat with that big pole at the top?

• 2:00:54Speaker 03

  I mean, that's, they do that with all of them. The other one had a big pole on top, too.

• 2:00:58Joe Rogan?

  But that, isn't that to stop lightning bolts?

• 2:01:00Speaker 03

  Some of it, some of it's antenna stuff, but.

• 2:01:02Joe Rogan?

  Some of it's to talk to aliens?

• 2:01:03Speaker 03

  Some of it's cell phone tower information.

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I'm wrong. I thought it was, uh, shorter. Maybe, maybe what it was saying, they were saying is it's smaller because there's only one instead of two.

• 2:01:14Speaker 03

  The spire makes it 1776?

• 2:01:16Joe Rogan?

  The spire. Yeah, how tall is that fucking spire?

• 2:01:18Speaker 03

  That video too, I was just, the spire of the World Trade Center, I never saw this. They're saying that's what made Tower 7 fall. It made a gash.

• 2:01:27Speaker 01

  Ahhh.

• 2:01:28Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:01:28Speaker 01

  What made a gash?

• 2:01:30Speaker 03

  The spire on the tower here fell and made a gash down the side and started a fire here. And tower side, I've never seen this video.

• 2:01:37Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:01:39Speaker 03

  I was just looking through it to see what the...

• 2:01:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's one thing with the video that we saw.

• 2:01:44Speaker 01

  Ahhh.

• 2:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, look at that. Interesting.

• 2:01:46Speaker 03

  They have photos of what that, I don't think they have an actual video of that happening.

• 2:01:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it fell and fucked up the building, but still. Still, why didn't it just fall into that side? Why does it compress into its base? The way it collapses, like, I've never seen anybody adequately describe it. But one thing that people should know is that the top of it collapsed before the whole thing collapsed. There was this piece on the top, so the roof caved in first.

• 2:02:15Speaker 01

  Uh-huh.

• 2:02:16Joe Rogan?

  Like, there was like, there's a smaller structure on top of the roof that imploded and went through the base.

• 2:02:23Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:02:23Joe Rogan?

  And then the whole thing went under. So it wasn't like it all went in one shot. The top of it had already collapsed and went through.

• 2:02:30Speaker 01

  God, that was such a weird time in America. I was thinking about how, like, just catatonic I was on the couch recently, just, like, that whole week afterwards.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:43Speaker 01

  Just nobody...

• 2:02:44Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:02:45Speaker 01

  Cause it's weird, like, I have family members who have kids and their kids are now, like, they were born right around that time. They were one, two years old. They've grown up. They don't, they don't remember kind of what it was like before that and they, I don't know. I feel like the world, I have a friend and he's like, everything went to shit after 9/11. Everything just got shittier.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, everything did go to shit because that's when they passed the Patriot Act.

• 2:03:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:08Joe Rogan?

  And that's when the government really got its hooks into your information.

• 2:03:11Speaker 03

  Clarification here. Uh, new one, 1776, 541 meters tall. Uh, old one with the spire was 1730, but was 17, or 1368 without the spire.

• 2:03:26Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:03:27Speaker 03

  The spire adds, so without the antenna, the building is 417 meters tall, so I think you were close.

• 2:03:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:03:32Speaker 03

  To what you were saying right there.

• 2:03:33Joe Rogan?

  So it's not much different, though. I thought it was a lot different, like 10 stories or some shit.

• 2:03:38Speaker 01

  Is, is...

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  So it's 104 floors.

• 2:03:42Speaker 03

  And four basement floors.

• 2:03:43Joe Rogan?

  And the other one was 110 floors.

• 2:03:45Speaker 03

  And I don't, yeah, how many basement floors, I don't know.

• 2:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Also, it's like, how tall are the floors? You know? I hope this one doesn't.

• 2:03:52Speaker 01

  Do you think this administration is gonna try and get rid of the Patriot Act?

• 2:03:56Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:03:58Joe Rogan?

  No, no, why would they do that? I think they have that, they have those tools and power to actually, they'll, they'll use it as an excuse to go get terrorists.

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, but haven't we all wanted to get rid of it for a long time?

• 2:04:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, then they have the Patriot, Patriot Act too, which is even more invasive.

• 2:04:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:17Speaker 01

  But people, like, that seems like a bipartisan thing, somebody could get behind.

• 2:04:21Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, but the, the real neocons will come out and say that weakens us against our, our enemies.

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  We need this power to be able to find terrorists and to be able to search out, I mean, that was one of the things that the Obama's from, the Obama administration, when they passed the NDAA. Uh huh. You know, we're not gonna do it, we're not gonna just like detain, detain people indefinitely, we wouldn't do it. But the problem is you're giving the law, that law is now in the books, and now the next person, what if it's a psycho? And the person after that, what if it's a psycho?

• 2:04:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:04:55Joe Rogan?

  Now you've given them power to like, become a dictator.

• 2:04:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:04:58Joe Rogan?

  And go after their political enemies, which normal people won't do, right? You guys don't do that, right?

• 2:05:07Speaker 01

  I, I mean, it's gonna be a wild four years, I think, cuz I, I did think that, like, the, I, I figured, I figured, I thought maybe that people would understand that they were wrong and that, like, maybe they'd gone too far and I was.

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  And it seems like hysteria.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  I don't think people learn that good. I think people learn by having their lives ruined and getting really angry.

• 2:05:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:05:32Joe Rogan?

  And then they change course, but I think the people that are still comfortable and still working in these environments that still cling to these ideas, they're gonna double down and wear a pussy hat and fucking paint their hair blue. And protest in the streets.

• 2:05:48Speaker 01

  I thought it would pass all this, it's so weird cuz I was thinking about how I've now been ten years in the culture wars, which is not, I mean, I kind of stumbled into them.

• 2:05:59Joe Rogan?

  Are you a sergeant now? What are you?

• 2:06:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, are you a general?

• 2:06:06Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what I am.

• 2:06:08Speaker 01

  I've been, but it has been a weird decade to be. I didn't want to, I was, I think so many normies are like me. They just got kind of forced into

• 2:06:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 2:06:19Speaker 01

  being in them. It wasn't like I wanted, I was like a drunk waitress who just wanted to tell jokes.

• 2:06:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:24Speaker 01

  That, and then I started writing for Playboy and next thing I know, I'm voting for Trump.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, as a drunk waitress, you just, you're one of us. You're a human. And humans, there's a lot of people that have opinions and ideas on things. They're just not good at articulating it. Or they never learned how to articulate it. But everybody does what we do, or everybody can do what we do. They do it with their friends. They talk with their friends.

• 2:06:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:53Joe Rogan?

  They bullshit about stuff and, you know, it's just a process of putting it out there.

• 2:06:59Speaker 01

  We've had, we've, I've had some weird YouTube strikes that, that I'd say, yes, it's easy to do, except I've had to play 10 years of a game of like outrunning censors and like Patreon, okay, we're there. And then we've got to get off there because I don't want to put all my eggs in that basket in case they go bonkers and shut it down. And then I feel like you're like, a lot of people in this space have been for like a decade out, you know, and you're like, how are we gonna? We got like the dumbest strike on an old ad of ours. And it was some, something that we said. And then you have to go to like, you know, like, you've got to go to like class and get reeducated.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Jamie got reeducated. Didn't you, Jamie? You feel better right now, right? You feel smarter? Now you got reeducated by YouTube?

• 2:07:44Speaker 01

  What did you get reeducated for?

• 2:07:45Speaker 03

  Which part of YouTube?

• 2:07:46Joe Rogan?

  He got reeducated.

• 2:07:47Speaker 03

  Sure, I guess.

• 2:07:48Joe Rogan?

  Didn't you? When we had a strike? You had to do the little classes?

• 2:07:50Speaker 03

  Oh, that's what you're talking about. Oh, yeah.

• 2:07:52Speaker 01

  He's like, what reeducation?

• 2:07:54Joe Rogan?

  He got reeducated. He's different now.

• 2:07:55Speaker 01

  What for?

• 2:07:56Joe Rogan?

  He's better now. Yeah, because we told factual information about COVID-19.

• 2:08:01Speaker 01

  And so you got a strike?

• 2:08:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was because it was like a long time ago.

• 2:08:04Speaker 01

  Oh, but, but ours is weird because it was in like a very old episode. So they must be like trolling.

• 2:08:11Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what they're doing. They're probably just using their algorithm and going after everything and.

• 2:08:15Speaker 01

  Ours, literally, we said, think for yourself and come to your own conclusions.

• 2:08:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's dangerous.

• 2:08:22Speaker 01

  That was the ad read. It wasn't even ours on our, I guess it was an ad read we were doing for someone else's podcast.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  Shouldn't give that advice out. People shouldn't be doing that.

• 2:08:31Speaker 01

  But this is why it's hard for people to just like say what they want, you know.

• 2:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, what do you think is gonna happen when you're looking at all this crazy shit right now with Doge and the uncovering of USAID and this dismantling of this bizarre, left-wing ecosystem that's pretty much manufactured, like what do you, what do you see is gonna happen with the rest of the country?

• 2:08:53Speaker 01

  I mean, look, there, there are a lot of people who did not vote for Trump. You know, that he won, and yes, he won every swing state and-

• 2:09:02Joe Rogan?

  Half the country's a lot of people.

• 2:09:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a lot of people, so, and I'm not sure how many of them, I wonder how many, so I have a couple of questions. How many people didn't vote for Trump and wanted to and are secretly glad he won? I bet there's a pretty significant number of those people who either didn't vote or didn't vote for him, but wanted him to win anyway.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  Ari says that. Ari says that New York City is like relaxed.

• 2:09:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:25Joe Rogan?

  It's like everybody was relaxed after the election, like even the liberals are like,

• 2:09:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank God. They're like, woo!

• 2:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like, thank you, God, you saved me from myself.

• 2:09:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Because God doing for us what we can't do for ourselves. Yeah, so there's that, I wonder, but then I do wonder how many of the people are, what I worry about is how much mental, this is where I get mad at the media for presenting this like, this is Hitler, we're having it notched up to 11 for the past eight years, and now you've got this, because he was put in, it's almost like that, that, that energy has been transferred to Elon now. Because now, do you see the Elon protests? They're protesting Elon. They're literally standing out there with signs that say, "Arrest Elon Musk."

• 2:10:12Joe Rogan?

  Listen, I guarantee it's organized. I guarantee it's organized by the same people that are gonna lose a shitload of money based on all these discoveries at Doge. There's no way they're not. If you look at what Doge is uncovering, what they're uncovering with this USAID stuff, a lot of that stuff was organizing through NGOs protests. They organized the attempt at getting Trump impeached.

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  I thought you were gonna say killed.

• 2:10:38Joe Rogan?

  They, they organized the impeachment. They also spent, USAID spent $50 million on the, on the lab-

• 2:10:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:10:44Joe Rogan?

  -that invented coronavirus.

• 2:10:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:10:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's, there's a lot of money involved in this not working. And when you have a lot of money involved, you're gonna have organized protests. When you see protests, we all wanna think protests like the 1960s. Yeah, fight the war, man. It's like organic, like peace, love and hippie shit. But that's not what this is. What this is, is organized, funded protests. Where someone is spending a lot of money and they're mobilizing other NGOs. They're using their access to these mailing lists and all these different things. They're putting these things together.

• 2:11:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, but do you, do you think that the average liberal person, do you think that they're gonna wake up and come around? Or do you think that they're gonna be in like agony for four years and be...

• 2:11:33Joe Rogan?

  What if, what if it works? Like, what if the, the world gets safer, the country gets safer, the economy improves? And they don't attack civil rights, women's rights, gay rights? All these things that everybody's worried about. And then at the end of it, you realize like, hey, maybe I was wrong.

• 2:11:46Speaker 01

  I mean, that's my question, though. Are you, are they capable of that kind of self-reflection? If you, the...

• 2:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, we're saying "they" as if it's like one different, like one kind of person.

• 2:11:57Speaker 01

  No, I mean, they...

• 2:11:58Joe Rogan?

  There's so many different people in "they."

• 2:12:00Speaker 01

  Agreed. I mean, when I say "they," I mean people who are, have bought into the idea that this person is going to make everything worse and we're going to slip into a fascist technocracy.

• 2:12:13Joe Rogan?

  Some of them.

• 2:12:15Joe Rogan?

  Some of them are gonna slip right into it. Some of them are gonna wake up and come around. You know, it's a test. It's a test of character. It's a test of objectivity. It's a test of introspection. There's a lot of things that are gonna happen. Where people are gonna have to wonder, like, what was I rooting for? When I was rooting for this progressive liberal government, what was I actually rooting for? Was I rooting for war mongers? Who were making insane amounts of profit by funding overseas wars?

• 2:12:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  What was I, what was I rooting for? Was I rooting for a, a, a basic theft of our, our tax dollars? That's gone to all these like completely useless endeavors? That were only set up as ways to pilfer money?

• 2:12:56Speaker 01

  Or the fall of America? You know, this, this is a weird thing to like hate your own country so much that you want it to, to fall? Or the, the dismantling of, uh, the life, the kind of West as we know it? You know, I think there is a, there is a feeling that Elon... Might have saved the West.

• 2:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:20Speaker 01

  I feel like at least he's trying to.

• 2:13:22Joe Rogan?

  I think he did. I think he did, but just by buying X.

• 2:13:25Speaker 01

  But isn't it funny that he got forced into it? I think there's like something kind of ironic.

• 2:13:30Joe Rogan?

  Funny because he was trying to get it at a lower price because he knew that they were bullshitting about the amount of bots.

• 2:13:35Speaker 01

  Well, and then they came out yesterday and now it's profitable.

• 2:13:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:38Speaker 01

  There's like a whole article about how he turned it around.

• 2:13:41Joe Rogan?

  Of course it's gonna be profitable. He's smarter than you.

• 2:13:43Speaker 01

  He is smarter. He also knows that we are all.

• 2:13:46Joe Rogan?

  Tapped in.

• 2:13:47Speaker 01

  Oh, I can't, I can't stop it. I have, I have, I've always had a Twitter addiction. It's the thing that replaced my drinking and smoking weed. When I quit that, I went right to Twitter. I was like, Elon knows, none of these motherfuckers, even when they go to Blue Sky, they've all got secret accounts and they're lurking on Twitter still, or X still, or whatever.

• 2:14:07Joe Rogan?

  You can't live in that echo chamber, that Blue Sky echo chamber. You can't even go on there and say there's only two genders. If you go on there and say there's two genders, they ban you immediately.

• 2:14:16Speaker 01

  They were like eating themselves within two days over there though.

• 2:14:18Joe Rogan?

  But that's what always happens. That's happened with Gab too, right?

• 2:14:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:22Joe Rogan?

  And I think some of that is not even real, because I personally know comics who go on Blue Sky and just say insane leftist stuff. Just like the most preposterous thing, like, you know, like maybe Duncan would do. I'm not saying Duncan does it, but he might do it. But I know comics that do that just to see the reaction, how people agree with them, like insane stuff.

• 2:14:42Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 2:14:42Joe Rogan?

  Like my toddler, I could tell when my toddler was trans, when they were three days old.

• 2:14:47Speaker 01

  And people agree with them?

• 2:14:48Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, jump right in.

• 2:14:49Speaker 01

  Don't you think we're all in echo chambers though, like you said? How do, how do you stay outside of yours?

• 2:14:55Joe Rogan?

  Drugs.

• 2:14:56Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 2:14:57Joe Rogan?

  That helps a lot. No, I'm kidding. You just gotta be, recognize like you're thinking. You have to have a process.

• 2:15:03Speaker 01

  What's your process? I, I live by the Joe Rogan School of Interneting.

• 2:15:08Joe Rogan?

  How's that?

• 2:15:08Speaker 01

  I, I take all your advice. I don't read the comments and I post in Ghost.

• 2:15:12Joe Rogan?

  That's good.

• 2:15:13Speaker 01

  I don't like get in there and.

• 2:15:15Joe Rogan?

  That's good. I definitely do that. And then I think of like, what do I really think about something and why do I think about it that way? And I try to go, is it because it's self-serving? Is it because I've said it in the past that I want to be right? Is it, what is it? You know, like what, what makes me believe what I believe?

• 2:15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:35Joe Rogan?

  And then you have to do a deep dive and all the goddamn arguments back and forth to figure out who's right. And all the logic and the ill, and, and see people ignoring certain core facts. Like this is the, the, the most fascinating thing about this USAID thing to me is how people on the left are completely ignoring all the rampant, obvious corruption.

• 2:15:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:56Joe Rogan?

  And conflicts of interest in the government funding non-government organizations that in turn fund the government.

• 2:16:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:03Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy and anybody that doesn't think that's crazy. It's like, what do you love money influencing everything in your daily life? Don't you think that maybe we have a problem in that we have a huge deficit? And if part of our huge deficit, we're spending fucking billions of dollars every year on horse shit?

• 2:16:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that is my issue with people being like, see, it, it is the like, political thing isn't right, which is true. It's important to be accurate, but it's also like, yeah, but there's, there's, this money shouldn't be spent this way.

• 2:16:34Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:16:34Speaker 01

  So just because this thing is maybe not true, you're pointing to this one thing that could be, people are misrepresenting, but there's a much bigger problem you seem to want to just sweep under the rug and say, oh, like you guys are just crazy for noticing all these connections. I'm, but didn't they make them stop or something? Did they freeze their ability to?

• 2:16:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:56Speaker 01

  These kids are nuts. That guy who like trans, you know, found the scroll, how to read the scroll from Pompeii?

• 2:17:02Joe Rogan?

  From Pompeii, yeah, using AI.

• 2:17:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, they're wizards. That's, that's the kind of people that you want digging into this stuff.

• 2:17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  And that's why Elon got them. I mean, he's, he knows what the fuck he's doing. It's, it is, it's all very strange because it's, um, you're dealing with so many things that are happening at the same time. You have this technology that was never available before that is allowing people to freely express themselves online. Right, and then you have this maniac billionaire who buys the biggest one and makes it the Wild West again. And then you have government being exposed for what it is. So you have all these fucking NGOs, this web of, we talked about it yesterday, this web of fifty-five thousand different NGOs that were supporting all these liberal causes that were all completely intertwined. And they had to use software to find that and to figure it out.

• 2:17:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:50Joe Rogan?

  They're finding out that this is like this complicated propaganda network.

• 2:17:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:54Joe Rogan?

  That existed. Look, that's not good.

• 2:17:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:17:57Joe Rogan?

  That's not good for anybody, left or right, because it's money. It's just money being used in a way. Not only that, here's the thing, like people like saying like the ten billion dollars, it's only ten billion dollars, like that kind of shit. What about the fucking people in Maui?

• 2:18:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:11Joe Rogan?

  What about, that could have been fixed with five billion dollars. The government could have said, we are going to rebuild those people's homes.

• 2:18:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:19Joe Rogan?

  To the exact state and even better than where they were before. It's going to cost us five billion dollars. All the money that we're sending over to Ukraine, all the money that we send to Israel, all the money we send to all these different organizations that work with USAID in the tune of billions and billions and billions of dollars. They could have done that. And instead of doing that, they're telling us that what we have to do is continue to fund all these programs in all these other countries. They're just so conveniently have a whole staff of people that's making a great wage and their political capital.

• 2:18:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:18:52Joe Rogan?

  Is bet on all this stuff and it all is involved with intertwined with these NGOs and all this money they're getting. And this is the thing, we have to go and help these people. We're going to starve, they're going to do this, they're going to do that. What about America?

• 2:19:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then you have like-

• 2:19:07Joe Rogan?

  What about our tax dollars going into a safety net to help people from one of the worst wildfires in history?

• 2:19:13Speaker 01

  Or North Carolina.

• 2:19:14Joe Rogan?

  Or North Carolina.

• 2:19:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Exactly the same thing.

• 2:19:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:17Joe Rogan?

  Apparently, none of those people have gotten any money in North Carolina.

• 2:19:20Speaker 01

  No, and they're like sleeping in fricking tents in the freezing cold.

• 2:19:23Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. All that could have been addressed too, the same way we address problems in other countries. So if you have this amazing slush fund that USAID is, and it's not being applied at all to the problems of America, why would you think people would support it?

• 2:19:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:40Joe Rogan?

  Why would we support it with our tax dollars when we know that the country is massively in debt?

• 2:19:44Speaker 01

  Well, and it's like, I appreciate that there are so many problems. I think people, I do feel like for the first time ever, there is an actual transfer of power. Like, every, every single election through my lifetime, it's been, there's been all the normal fighting between the two parties, and then the election happens, and one party wins, and then nothing changes.

• 2:20:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:08Speaker 01

  And you just keep sliding and sliding and sliding and sliding, and everybody says they're gonna do something, and no one does anything. And then you have fucking Elon come in like a wrecking ball, and a very motivated and, uh, Trump with, who seems organized this time, and they actually feel like they're making changes, changes that, by the way, American people want.

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like the border. They fixed the border overnight.

• 2:20:33Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:20:33Joe Rogan?

  Overnight.

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  The looking into, my friend Max Meyer was saying, he's a very smart guy, he was saying, no one with any numerical ability has ever looked into Medicare and Medicaid fraud, ever.

• 2:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what they're cracking into next.

• 2:20:49Speaker 01

  There's a lot of money there, that is, like, provider-side fraud, where it's just inflated.

• 2:20:54Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't that Sunny Hostin's husband? Isn't he involved in a RICO lawsuit?

• 2:20:59Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know.

• 2:21:00Joe Rogan?

  About insurance fraud?

• 2:21:01Speaker 01

  The View person?

• 2:21:02Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, yeah.

• 2:21:03Speaker 01

  Oh, I have no idea.

• 2:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Her husband got arrested.

• 2:21:05Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 2:21:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He's one of 200 people charged in some gigantic insurance fraud.

• 2:21:11Speaker 01

  There's a lot of that.

• 2:21:12Joe Rogan?

  What is that? What's the actual story behind that? Jamie's looking.

• 2:21:16Speaker 01

  Jamie's on it. Yeah, but there's so, they can take, I mean, you know how complicated it would be to try and untangle that web of where you're inflating things that people have, and you're saying this is like a band- You see these things online where it's like a Band-Aid is $25,000, you know, like, what?

• 2:21:35Joe Rogan?

  Someone explain that to me, too, is that when you have a budget, say if you run an organization and has a budget, you get money from the government, and that budget's like 80 million dollars a year, you can't spend 60, because then you're gonna get 60 next year. You have to spend all 80.

• 2:21:47Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:21:47Joe Rogan?

  If you don't spend all 80, you don't get it, you gotta- Say, we need ninety.

• 2:21:50Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:21:50Joe Rogan?

  We're barely hanging on.

• 2:21:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:21:52Joe Rogan?

  And so you have to charge like a

• 2:21:53Speaker 01

  Inflation.

• 2:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Five hundred thousand dollars for a hammer.

• 2:21:55Speaker 01

  Ah, fuck.

• 2:21:56Joe Rogan?

  And that's, that's literally how they justify their existence is the key. They're, they're not in the business of being frugal and, you know, and being responsible and and making sure that the money is being spent competently. No, they're in the business of keeping their budget coming in. Sonny Hostin surgeon husband Emmanuel faces solo battle in lawsuit as co-defendants agree to settle. Oh, Jesus. So, okay. Uh, Sonny Hostin's surgeon husband has found himself in the hot seat in a massive lawsuit accusing nearly two hundred healthcare providers of insurance fraud. Dr. Emmanuel Hostin defiantly called himself the victim of a frivolous smear campaign last month after he was accused of providing fraudulent medical services in exchange for kickbacks

• 2:22:39Joe Rogan?

  in a complaint filed by American Transit Insurance Company in December. Orthopedic surgeon now finds himself increasingly isolated after the vast majority of the defendants have now offered to settle their cases.

• 2:22:51Speaker 01

  Oh, boy.

• 2:22:52Joe Rogan?

  According to a new court filing obtained by DailyMail.com. American Transit, which ensures taxi cab, taxi company and Uger Lyft drivers announced last Monday, more than a hundred and forty-one of the hundred and eighty-six defendants named in the suit have agreed in principle to settle one of the largest RICO cases ever filed in New York. The papers filed by the law marketing, uh, law firm Manning Cass did not specify which defendants offered to settle. Dr. Hostin has until February ten to respond to the legal complaint. So it has something to do with drives from the hospital and kickbacks from, from all this shit?

• 2:23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's because they're so, that's what they need though, is these guys who can use this AI technology to get in there and start looking on a massive scale at what all of these, um, Everything. I mean, they have to look at everything. I think most Americans want this.

• 2:23:49Joe Rogan?

  So they're being accused of getting kickbacks for performing surgeries and submitting fraudulent bills.

• 2:23:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:56Joe Rogan?

  Hosted knowingly provided, this is in quotes, knowingly provided fraudulent medical and other healthcare services, including arthroscopic surgeries. The lawsuit filed on December 17th claims American Transit was then billed in exchange for kickbacks and/or other compensation which were disguised as dividends or other cash distributions. I don't know how they know this. So I don't, I don't want to comment on this. I don't really understand what this is. This, this might be bullshit. It might be real. But I do know that doctors-

• 2:24:25Speaker 01

  But this happens all the time. I mean, maybe not this, but there's provider-side fraud that is very well-known and people have been called out for it.

• 2:24:33Joe Rogan?

  There's a doctor that I was just watching this whole thing on where he, uh, I think it was 200 people he treated, it might have been more, that did not have cancer. And he gave them chemotherapy.

• 2:24:46Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. He, he's, he falsely diagnosed them as having cancer and then treated them with can- for cancer. Yeah, and some of them got really sick and died.

• 2:24:55Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. It's chemo.

• 2:24:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's chemo. It's fucking killing you. And wrecks your health. So even if you survive it, like, your, your body's wrecked for a long time afterwards.

• 2:25:04Speaker 01

  And did he do this just for money?

• 2:25:06Joe Rogan?

  For money, yeah.

• 2:25:06Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:25:07Joe Rogan?

  And his argument was that this term that they always use, you eat what you kill. And then you have to, like, you have to have a business. You have to, like, keep your business rolling. So his business was making sure that people thought they had cancer and then treating them for cancer.

• 2:25:22Speaker 01

  That's dark.

• 2:25:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's cancer and chemotherapy is one of those weird ones where the doctors profit off of each chemotherapy.

• 2:25:29Speaker 01

  Oh, do they?

• 2:25:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Thirty-four million dollars in fraudulent- A Detroit-area hematologist oncologist was sentenced today to serve 45 years in prison for his role in a healthcare fraud scheme that included administering medically unnecessary infusions or injections to, oh, it's 553 individual patients.

• 2:25:46Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 2:25:47Joe Rogan?

  And submitting to Medicare and private insurance companies approximately 34 million dollars in fraudulent claims.

• 2:25:52Speaker 01

  This is the fucking sickest thing I've ever heard. You tell these people they have cancer?

• 2:25:57Joe Rogan?

  I know, right?

• 2:25:58Speaker 01

  And make them get chemo?

• 2:25:59Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:26:00Speaker 01

  This is insane. I can't believe I've never heard of this.

• 2:26:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's really crazy.

• 2:26:04Speaker 01

  It was like a decade ago. Wow. This is fucking nuts. How did they catch him?

• 2:26:10Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:26:11Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 2:26:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:13Speaker 01

  No, that's so sick.

• 2:26:14Joe Rogan?

  I know people that have told me that they know people that have done surgeries that were unnecessary. Yeah, because they want money.

• 2:26:22Speaker 01

  Well, that's like the whole like trans care like, you know.

• 2:26:27Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, like orthopedic surgeries. I have friends.

• 2:26:30Speaker 01

  Back surgeries and stuff.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Doctors that won't let someone try stem cells, that try to deny people stem cells.

• 2:26:38Speaker 01

  So, yeah, the back surgery thing's weird too.

• 2:26:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it can help some people, but it's not the only solution. And there's other ways to fix your back. I always tell people that you should, there's a lot of different ways to fix back issues. I've had back issues. I didn't have surgery. I was told to have surgery. I had a bulging disc in my neck. I was told that I had to have a disectomy. I did not. My neck is perfect. It works great now.

• 2:27:02Speaker 01

  How did you fix it?

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  I did Regeniquine. Regeniquine is, um, it's like a very advanced form of platelet-rich plasma that used to have to go to Germany to get. I remember like Peyton Manning and Kobe Bryant, those guys, they flew to Germany to get this procedure done. And Dana White did it too. And then they opened up a place in Santa Monica where you could do it in Santa Monica. And I had it done. I had it done on my back. I had it done on my neck. It's amazing. They take your blood, they spin it in a centrifuge. I forget what the exact process they do. And then they pull out this liquid that is the most potent anti-inflammatory inflammation drug that you could ever find.

• 2:27:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:27:38Joe Rogan?

  So this anti-inflammation drug, they, it's made out of your own blood, so your body doesn't reject it.

• 2:27:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27:44Joe Rogan?

  This process that they do. And then they inject it in the areas around the discs and the discs all settled and they went right back into place.

• 2:27:50Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 2:27:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I had it done on my lower back. I had it done on my upper back. And I had it done on my neck.

• 2:27:55Speaker 01

  See, I think that this is where I'm excited about AI and stuff like that. It would be exciting to have AI cure cancer. Which they think that it might be able to do.

• 2:28:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm a little, I saw that Larry Ellison thing. I was like, yeah, are you making money doing this?

• 2:28:11Speaker 01

  Well, obviously. I don't know if Larry, is Larry Ellison saying that?

• 2:28:15Joe Rogan?

  Why is he doing that? Like, why are you doing that? Are you a doctor? Don't you own Lanai? What are you doing?

• 2:28:19Speaker 01

  But I don't see-

• 2:28:20Joe Rogan?

  It seems like-

• 2:28:20Speaker 01

  It seems like it's not outside the realm of possibility that AI would get smart enough to figure this shit out.

• 2:28:26Joe Rogan?

  100%. Yeah, it is possible, for sure, and it's very hopeful. But, um, you know, I don't know if we should be telling people that it could do that maybe in the future, so invest in my company, or whatever the fuck's going on, you know?

• 2:28:38Speaker 01

  I was at this crazy boondoggle and I saw a bunch of these people talk and everybody was clapping and I was like, this is the scariest shit I've ever heard. And I think it might have been Sam was talking Altman and everybody was just like, yay, let's give them money! And they all just saw money. Everyone sees money here. And the, the, the gold hills, I mean, we're gonna need to build nuclear, we're gonna need to power this shit. We're gonna, there's a lot of gold in those hills. And I was in the back with this guy and I'm like, someone needs to stop it. Like, it was fucking-

• 2:29:11Joe Rogan?

  It's the beginning of a Terminator movie.

• 2:29:13Speaker 01

  Chills down my spine.

• 2:29:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's gonna happen, though.

• 2:29:15Speaker 01

  You can't stop it.

• 2:29:17Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:29:17Speaker 01

  Unless the grid goes down, like, or, or something, unless there is something catastrophic, asteroid hits the earth, whatever, which I think there might be one coming. Um, there is, there's nothing we can do. The genie's out of the bottle.

• 2:29:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, not just that, we have to do it because there's other people that are doing it. And if they get a hold of it first, it's over.

• 2:29:39Speaker 01

  Ah, that's the race to the bottom.

• 2:29:42Joe Rogan?

  Is it? I don't know. My friend lives- I mean, if we all have it and it just, it eventually works for humanity instead of against us.

• 2:29:49Speaker 01

  Why, I do think that, like, my husband thinks that our daughter will never need to learn how to drive.

• 2:29:55Joe Rogan?

  Probably.

• 2:29:56Speaker 01

  He's like, she's not gonna need, because I was like, she, she wants to drive already. She's like, when I'm five, I can drive. I'm like, no.

• 2:30:05Speaker 01

  She is, having kids is the best. I hate that there was so much rhetoric that I was growing up with about like, how horrible it is, because it is, yeah.

• 2:30:15Joe Rogan?

  It's all by people who don't have kids.

• 2:30:16Speaker 01

  But it's so, it is, it, the other morning, I go downstairs and she's like, I'm like, how you doing? She's eating her breakfast, she's like, I just need to lay low. I was like-

• 2:30:28Speaker 01

  Are we hiding from the mob? What is happening?

• 2:30:32Joe Rogan?

  They're experimenting with new ways to talk.

• 2:30:34Speaker 01

  They're just so funny. She's like, and she just says the funniest stuff. She did a whole, my husband sent me a whole thing. She picks up every, they pick up everything.

• 2:30:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:43Speaker 01

  She was like, I'm going to mothership and you're gonna go to New York. I'm like, where'd she get the New York accent from? I'm going to mothership and you're going to New York to, to tell jokes. She's telling them all about this. I'm like, how does she pick all this? It's the best thing in the whole world, but yeah, he, he doesn't think she wants to drive. And he's like, she's not gonna need to know how to drive.

• 2:31:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, she probably will learn how to drive, but it won't be necessary. I, I think, uh, they're gonna make the argument that autonomous driving is way safer.

• 2:31:16Speaker 01

  But I think it probably is.

• 2:31:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it is?

• 2:31:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I have auto drive on my Tesla. Yes.

• 2:31:22Speaker 01

  It can't be, no one's gonna be allowed to drive.

• 2:31:25Joe Rogan?

  That's probably what's gonna happen.

• 2:31:26Speaker 01

  That's the only way. They're all gonna be communicating with each other and it's like...

• 2:31:30Joe Rogan?

  There'll probably be roads that are set up where you can allow, um, people to drive.

• 2:31:34Speaker 01

  How do you feel about that?

• 2:31:35Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I like cars.

• 2:31:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do too.

• 2:31:38Joe Rogan?

  I like old cars too.

• 2:31:39Speaker 01

  I like driving.

• 2:31:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:40Speaker 01

  It helps my brain unfurl.

• 2:31:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, I, I like machines. I'm, I'm into old machines. I like the way they work.

• 2:31:48Speaker 01

  Do you know how to fix cars?

• 2:31:50Joe Rogan?

  I know how to fix some things, but not really.

• 2:31:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I know how to change spark plugs and change oil and I, I understand.

• 2:31:56Speaker 01

  Like basics?

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, normal stuff, but in, most cars don't even have spark plugs anymore.

• 2:32:01Speaker 01

  No, it's weird.

• 2:32:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's all wild. You, you open up the back of like, you know, open up the like back of a Porsche, like look at the engine. You're like, what the fuck is that?

• 2:32:10Speaker 01

  And Teslas only have one gear? Is this, how does it, I don't understand how that even...

• 2:32:15Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever been in one?

• 2:32:16Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:32:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh dude, I didn't bring mine today.

• 2:32:18Speaker 01

  Oh wait, no, I have been in one.

• 2:32:19Joe Rogan?

  Next time I have mine, you gotta go for a ride.

• 2:32:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:22Joe Rogan?

  Mine's insane.

• 2:32:24Speaker 01

  The new one?

• 2:32:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it goes zero to sixty in 1.9 seconds.

• 2:32:26Speaker 01

  That's nuts.

• 2:32:27Joe Rogan?

  It's a time machine.

• 2:32:28Speaker 01

  How does it do that?

• 2:32:29Joe Rogan?

  Cause it has a thousand horsepower and four wheel drive and incredible electrical engines that just instantly generate torque and power.

• 2:32:36Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 2:32:38Joe Rogan?

  It just takes off. They're amazing. And it also self-drives. It dozens of self-drive. It changes lanes. It stops for stop signs. It stops for red lights. It turns, stop. It just, it's incredible. Changes lanes when there's obstructions in front of it.

• 2:32:52Speaker 01

  Can you take your eyes off the, can you like text and stuff? Can you be a passenger?

• 2:32:57Joe Rogan?

  You could, I guess. People have fallen asleep at the wheel famously.

• 2:33:00Speaker 01

  But don't they give you like strikes or something like that? Like Tesla itself will?

• 2:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, supposedly if you're not looking like it's been.

• 2:33:07Speaker 01

  That's kinda creepy.

• 2:33:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's creepy. Yeah, it's all creepy. But if you want to do it right, that's how you have to do it. You can't just let people take naps and just press the, press play.

• 2:33:16Speaker 01

  But isn't that the point? I want to be in my car typing.

• 2:33:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, eventually you'll be able to do that. Eventually it won't even have a steering wheel. Eventually it'll be a pod that you get in and it takes you places.

• 2:33:24Speaker 01

  This reminds me of that Silicon Valley episode where the self-driving car drives right into one of the shipping containers and then he's just stuck in a shipping container.

• 2:33:33Joe Rogan?

  I didn't see that. I've never watched that show.

• 2:33:35Speaker 01

  That show is brilliant.

• 2:33:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's weird. But again, if you go back to the people that were on trains and riding horses and you say, uh, one day, you're gonna be able to get in a car that goes 1.9 seconds, 0 to 60, and it's gonna be electric and make no sound. You'd be like, what? Well, one day, you're not gonna need to steer because steering is why people get fucked up because the cars can't detect other cars around them. They change lanes. People make mistakes. They go forward when they shouldn't. They run red lights. All that's gonna end.

• 2:34:05Speaker 01

  So I'm like a half hour out of the city and every time I drive to and from, there's almost every time there's an accident. I always see.

• 2:34:15Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:34:16Speaker 01

  The other night I was driving home, actually from mothership, it was like 1:30 in the morning and there was a guy on the left side of the freeway walking. Yeah.

• 2:34:27Speaker 01

  There's no space, by the way. I was like, what is happening right now?

• 2:34:31Joe Rogan?

  People are texting and not paying attention.

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  No, there are trucks behind me.

• 2:34:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:34:36Speaker 01

  It was nuts. I was like, this guy is either like on drugs and crazy or it's like some Jason Bourne situation where he was like limping, like he's just...

• 2:34:45Joe Rogan?

  He probably broke down and had to walk.

• 2:34:47Speaker 01

  No, he looked crazy.

• 2:34:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, crazy person. Decided to flirt with death.

• 2:34:52Speaker 01

  It was, I mean, Texas is a little, it feels a little unhinged.

• 2:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Does it? Compared to LA? When was the last time you were back in LA?

• 2:34:59Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I was just there. I was there two days before the fires.

• 2:35:02Joe Rogan?

  People are unhinged.

• 2:35:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:05Speaker 01

  No, I mean, it feels a little wild, like I like it.

• 2:35:07Joe Rogan?

  And as you get older, and you realize it's not gonna get any better?

• 2:35:08Speaker 01

  I like the, I like the, it makes, I'm, I'm coming up on two years here.

• 2:35:15Joe Rogan?

  So what do you mean by wild?

• 2:35:16Speaker 01

  Like, what? It feels wild to me. It still feels very, like, the Wild West, or like Texas. There's just an energy here of kind of, every time I'm down on Sixth Street, I'm like, I'm gonna catch a stray down here.

• 2:35:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, Sixth Street is wild. Where the club is, that's a wild place.

• 2:35:32Speaker 01

  There's fucking bonkers out there.

• 2:35:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's also makes the club exciting.

• 2:35:37Speaker 01

  You might catch a stray while you're waiting.

• 2:35:38Joe Rogan?

  No, not that, but all the people, the foot traffic, you know, there's, there's an energy on that street.

• 2:35:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, I like it.

• 2:35:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:47Speaker 01

  And I like the kind, when I, even coming from LA, driving in Texas, I was like, these people are out of their fucking minds, because it's so much bigger, and every, the, it's like 80 miles an hour speed limits everywhere out where I am. So everyone's actually doing 90, and I would be driving, and I'm like, they're like, get out of the way, grandmas. And I'm like, I'm doing fucking 85, like, it's not, like, I'm going slow.

• 2:36:12Joe Rogan?

  Are you in the left lane?

• 2:36:14Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:36:14Joe Rogan?

  No?

• 2:36:15Speaker 01

  I'd be in the middle lane.

• 2:36:16Joe Rogan?

  And they're still trying to get you out of the way?

• 2:36:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was a grandma. I had to up my game.

• 2:36:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, didn't you see that in LA too?

• 2:36:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it wasn't, it wasn't, it was always like, street racing kids, like, maybe out further, you could, how often could you get your car to 80 miles an hour driving around LA?

• 2:36:36Joe Rogan?

  At nighttime.

• 2:36:37Speaker 01

  I mean, at night.

• 2:36:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:39Speaker 01

  But...

• 2:36:39Joe Rogan?

  I'd see a lot of people driving super fast at night in LA.

• 2:36:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:36:42Joe Rogan?

  More unhinged people, I think.

• 2:36:43Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:36:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because I would see people driving recklessly on the 101, like, when I was coming home from the store sometimes, I'd be like, what the fuck?

• 2:36:51Speaker 01

  That's me going home, though. Like, it's, I don't know, it's pretty, it's pretty nuts.

• 2:36:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, when people live a half an hour away from the city and they want to get home quick, that's how you do it.

• 2:37:01Speaker 01

  Now it's me.

• 2:37:01Joe Rogan?

  Gotta hit the gas.

• 2:37:02Speaker 01

  Now I'm the one who's doing 95.

• 2:37:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's those people too.

• 2:37:05Speaker 01

  No, it's true. It, it's, I, I don't know, I'm glad I moved here. I remember you saying, like, it feels, my husband's blood pressure actually went down when he moved here.

• 2:37:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's less people.

• 2:37:17Speaker 01

  But it's also just like, everything is less of a battle. You said it to me, I think, like you felt like you could exhale. On one of our, like, when we were talking, you're like, I moved there and just felt like, huh, I can like breathe a little. And, I mean, my husband has like scientific evidence that he, his whole, like, energy field got more chill.

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're not supposed to be living in a place that has 20 million people. I think it's bad for you.

• 2:37:43Speaker 01

  Have you ever been to Cairo?

• 2:37:44Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:37:45Speaker 01

  Cairo's nuts.

• 2:37:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:48Speaker 01

  It's the craziest city I've ever been in.

• 2:37:50Joe Rogan?

  I wanna go. When you went to the pyramids, when was it? How long ago?

• 2:37:53Speaker 01

  Oh my gosh, it was crazy. It was right after the revolution. So, we went in 20, it was in, it was 20, it was 2000, when was, when was the Arab Spring?

• 2:38:08Joe Rogan?

  That was internet times.

• 2:38:10Speaker 01

  It was 2012, I wanna say, 20, 2011, 2012?

• 2:38:16Joe Rogan?

  What's that? 2010, Arab Spring?

• 2:38:18Speaker 01

  So it must've been 2011.

• 2:38:21Joe Rogan?

  That was one of the first revolutions that the internet was credited with starting.

• 2:38:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, and no one was there. So, everyone was like, why the fuck are you guys in Egypt? We got basically a private tour of the whole country. Like, there, there was a, we were on a cruise on the Nile and it was supposed to be, you know, hundreds of people. There were 14 people on the cruise. And we got to see, there's usually lines to go into the great pyramids. There were no lines, no lines at the, to see King Tut, noth- there was, no one was anywhere. It was, it was a weird time to be in Egypt. And we saw, I went to Alexandria, was in Cairo, um, went and did like a Nile cruise, which was amazing. I mean, Egypt's, you gotta go.

• 2:39:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I definitely do. Did you get this weird feeling, the like, how did this go away?

• 2:39:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what, that's what I don't understand. And I had, I think I had like, a mental breakdown when I was there. Like a weird, I was, we were in the hospital, not the hospital, I want, I felt like I should get checked into a hospital. I was, we were staying in, um- Like the Nile across from the, all the tombs, the like king's tombs. And I kept feeling this like pulse and I had like a panic attack when I was there, basically. It was the weirdest thing though. I kept feeling this pulse. It was like womp womp.

• 2:39:47Joe Rogan?

  Was this when you were doing drugs?

• 2:39:48Speaker 01

  No, no. I mean, I was drinking still, but I wasn't doing drugs.

• 2:39:55Speaker 01

  And I, I was like, I'm gonna have a, I felt, I thought I was gonna end up in a straitjacket. And I thought, I had like a panic attack. I had like these crazy dreams. And I was like, oh, this is where it all started for like my whatever. It was fucking, it's weird. It's a weird energy.

• 2:40:12Joe Rogan?

  Do you think you were getting this feeling like, like you said, like here, it's in the soil? There's something in the soil here, like this fierce independence because these people are tough and they survived making it across the Great Plains and all that shit? Do you think you felt that there? Like this is the, the, the feeling of this civilization that used to exist in this place?

• 2:40:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, it felt to me, I feel like I had like a past life regression, if that's even a thing. It was like, I felt like whatever journey I've been on, on this planet, it started there. And I went back to the source and it was like a weird, like my dreams were crazy. It was, I couldn't. That, thank God the guy I was with was like nice and kind, but I couldn't, I, I, it was like a full blown panic attack. I couldn't even leave the hotel room and.

• 2:41:06Joe Rogan?

  And you think that's just because of being in Egypt?

• 2:41:08Speaker 01

  It was just being in Egypt.

• 2:41:10Joe Rogan?

  Do you think it's because of the like, you knew what the civilization was like and it had declined and gone and now you're there? And you're just like psychologically dealing with this and you're kind of freaking out and putting it on yourself?

• 2:41:23Speaker 01

  So they had.

• 2:41:26Speaker 01

  They had, I have always been obsessed with Egypt since I was a little kid. Just unnaturally obsessed with it. It was like, I read every book about it when I was a kid. I wanted to go there. I don't know why. And I felt like, you know, I like to believe in past lives because I think it's amusing. I'm like, if I can choose, it sounds like a fun. It's like, why not? And I've always felt very connected to it. And so when I went there and was across from, we were in the King Farouk suite, actually. And it had a balcony that overlooked the Nile and the tombs. And it was, I could feel, it was like something in my heart, like a vibration. And they've said that these places, like where there are these pyramids, they can have vibrations.

• 2:42:09Speaker 01

  I learned this later, but this was like a weird, like, it kept hitting my heart. And then, I thought they drugged me. I thought they gave me something in my hibiscus tea. Because I, I started like, um, I immediately, I drank the hibiscus tea and I was like, maybe they put some kind of like hallucinogen in it. But I think I just, I like, I think about this a lot because I've had friends who have had anxiety and panic attacks. And I know what it's like to like get in your head and feel like you're losing your mind. And I had to baby step my way out of this like panic attack where I couldn't eat, I was unable to keep food down. I just took a bath and was like, I'm gonna just chew.

• 2:42:50Joe Rogan?

  That's never happened to you before?

• 2:42:51Speaker 01

  No, I had had like, I've had anxiety, I feel for people who have anxiety. I had had anxiety before. Um, but it was when I was doing, I was smoking a lot of weed and doing a lot of drugs and I was in a marriage I didn't want to be in to my first husband.

• 2:43:05Joe Rogan?

  So your life was a mess.

• 2:43:07Speaker 01

  And I just was lying to myself. Like, I think it, I think depression and anxiety can be very useful signposts for something in your life. You're either doing something you shouldn't be doing, or you're not doing something you should be doing.

• 2:43:19Joe Rogan?

  You got a course correct.

• 2:43:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  It's giving you motivation.

• 2:43:21Speaker 01

  It's, or it's saying like, there's something, it's like a soul calling for you to check, check in. So I, yoga kind of saved me from that time. I got divorced. It somewhat went away. I've talked about my hypo- Chondria, so that I dealt with that, but then I was, this was different. It was like a weird, my body physiologically reacted to it too. So I, I like, not to be too much information, but I like randomly got a period out of nowhere. It was just weird. My body started like I, I threw up, I got a period, all at once. And it was such a, it's like, it's the most supernatural thing that's ever happened to me. Well, there was another time that was really supernatural when I was in Newport, Rhode Island,

• 2:44:04Speaker 01

  and I swear there was like a haunting, but other than that, this was, it felt supernatural. Like it didn't feel normal and it took me two full days to like, whatever hit me in my heart on that balcony and I couldn't, like, all I could hear was this like wah wah and it was reverberating from the, I sound like a crazy person, but it was reverberating from the tombs. And then I would just, I remember eating a grape so slowly and mindfully just to like come back into my body and I had these like crazy dreams and I felt like I saw all these connections, like people in my life present and it was, it was really, it was weird.

• 2:44:46Speaker 01

  It was in that moment when I like had a physical reaction where it was like a scene from a movie where it was like zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, like all these people in my life and, and

• 2:44:57Speaker 01

  the guy I was with, thank God, he could have been a total asshole and been like, you're a fucking psycho, I'm leaving you, but he had had a weird experience with me in his guest house in, um, in New Zealand where I would fall asleep sometimes downstairs when, or we'd pass out or whatever. And I was like, did you have a dog? Cause I was like convinced there was a ghost, cause I kept feeling some weird sense and he's like, don't talk about the dog. And then it turns out there was like a dog. And his kids, like he had it and then wanted to get rid of it and it's something, this sore thing, he's like, how the fuck did you know it was a dog? And I was like, oh, cause the energy was like a puppy energy. And I was like, what happened to the dog? He's like, nothing, don't ever talk about the dog. And I was like, okay.

• 2:45:38Speaker 01

  So he's like, you're weird and psychic and like a weird sick, you have like a weird thing. He was like, you're touched by something. And we used to play backgammon all the time and one time I like rolled a dice and it's I'm sure it was just lint but it like I wanted to win so badly and then the dice just was on his corner just frozen. So he had weird like just on the tip of it, just like he's like, what the fuck? You're a witch. So he was, he had had slightly unsettling things with me that enough that I think he was like, alright, maybe she's not totally.

• 2:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, they say that places have memory, right?

• 2:46:14Speaker 01

  Oh, this place, I mean, Egypt is so special.

• 2:46:16Joe Rogan?

  I haven't been, obviously, but I felt weird when I went to Chichen Itza. That feels very weird.

• 2:46:22Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 2:46:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:23Speaker 01

  I had, I had to, I was like baby stepping. I still get slightly like, and my life has never been the same really since. Like it was, it was, it was, uh, and Egypt is, Cairo's bonkers, but Egypt is the Nile. I remember just like cruising down the Nile and being on the deck and you feel, you can feel what it was like, like, you're just like, this is what.

• 2:46:50Joe Rogan?

  The memory.

• 2:46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:46:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:46:52Speaker 01

  And the tombs are all very, it's very, I don't know, it was very spiritual for me. It was like a very, um, it felt like a pilgrimage that I didn't know I was taking.

• 2:47:04Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:47:05Speaker 01

  That's how it felt to me.

• 2:47:06Joe Rogan?

  Look, it makes sense. It was the most sophisticated civilization maybe ever in terms of their building methods and the construction.

• 2:47:10Speaker 01

  You have to go. I feel like you would love it.

• 2:47:13Joe Rogan?

  I know I would love it. I know, I just don't have the time. I almost did it with Mr. Beast. He went in December.

• 2:47:18Speaker 01

  Oh, did he?

• 2:47:18Joe Rogan?

  I was gonna try to do it and do it with him. He wanted to do a podcast there, but I just couldn't make it happen. I had too busy.

• 2:47:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, and it's a hike.

• 2:47:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I need to take like a good solid couple of weeks and go there. It needs to be something that I know that I'm gonna be there for a couple of weeks.

• 2:47:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:33Joe Rogan?

  And right now, that's not really possible.

• 2:47:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:47:36Joe Rogan?

  You know, I went to, um, to visit the site of the Illician mysteries and I was with Brian Mirarescu.

• 2:47:43Speaker 01

  Where's that?

• 2:47:44Joe Rogan?

  It's in, uh, Greece.

• 2:47:45Speaker 01

  Ah.

• 2:47:47Joe Rogan?

  That was wild.

• 2:47:48Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:47:48Joe Rogan?

  That was wild. That, that place has a memory, for sure. Yeah, I just like touching the walls, like it just feels weird. You just feel like this is different, like you're in the presence of something very strange.

• 2:47:59Speaker 01

  That was Egypt.

• 2:48:00Joe Rogan?

  Whatever the energy, I bet Egypt was probably even more incredible, but whatever the, the energy of that place was, there's some of it left there. There's some weird intangible feeling that's left there that just makes you feel very, very strange.

• 2:48:14Speaker 01

  When we were, when I was in LA at the Getty Villa, I always go there, and they had the, um, Thrace exhibit.

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 2:48:22Speaker 01

  Thrace is like a, I didn't know anything about it. It was a, it's a civilization that was, it was like partially in Bulgaria. I think it came after ancient Greece.

• 2:48:33Joe Rogan?

  There it is.

• 2:48:33Speaker 01

  Um.

• 2:48:34Joe Rogan?

  Treasures from Bulgaria, Romania, and Greece.

• 2:48:36Speaker 01

  This statue is fucking insane. It looks like it's looking at you.

• 2:48:40Joe Rogan?

  Look at the eyes. That's insane.

• 2:48:42Speaker 01

  It is insane to see it in real life. This exhibit that's there right now, it is truly one of the most special exhibits I've ever s- I go to all of them that I can there. And it, that is.

• 2:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Wow, look at that face. That's amazing.

• 2:48:57Speaker 01

  It's crazy. And I knew nothing about this civilization and society, and the more I learn about it, the more obsessed I am. But all of this stuff had its own, um. Like when the fires were around the villa, I was like, oh god, I hope that there, I hope that, that all this stuff is okay, yeah. I mean, those walls are like fireproof and they've got.

• 2:49:19Joe Rogan?

  I'd never heard of this before.

• 2:49:20Speaker 01

  I've never, I had never even really heard of Thrace. I, you know, I've always been very obsessed with like Greek mythology, Roman history, all of these things, but Thrace is this crazy civilization.

• 2:49:32Joe Rogan?

  Look at the relief with two Thracians.

• 2:49:34Speaker 01

  I wanna see if I have the, um, oh, it's, yeah, if you're back in LA, I, I think that exhibit is there until March. March 3rd, I believe.

• 2:49:45Speaker 03

  Maybe it says temporarily closed on top. I don't know if it's because of the fires.

• 2:49:48Joe Rogan?

  Probably.

• 2:49:49Speaker 01

  Um, oh, okay.

• 2:49:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think the Getty's temporarily closed.

• 2:49:53Speaker 03

  The Getty's now open, the Getty Villa will remain closed until further notice.

• 2:49:56Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. I thought they reopened for some reason, but yeah, they must still be closed from the fires. Um.

• 2:50:02Joe Rogan?

  Someday someone's gonna be doing that with the World Trade Center. They're gonna be wandering around that, this is where they used to live. They used to go to school here. They used to work in these buildings. That's gonna happen.

• 2:50:13Speaker 01

  You think?

• 2:50:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the same way we go through the Acropolis in the Parthenon and wander around and imagine what it was like living back then. People are gonna do that with us. Every civilization, every civilization collapses. We're just trying to hold this one off as much as we can.

• 2:50:31Joe Rogan?

  And they usually last a couple hundred years, which is ours.

• 2:50:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're not, we're pretty young. I mean.

• 2:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but a lot of them haven't made it past where we got to.

• 2:50:40Speaker 01

  It always reminds me of that Porno for Pyros song. We'll make the pets. It's like, my friend says we're like the dinosaurs. And here we are, doing ourselves in much faster than they ever did.

• 2:50:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I don't know if that's real.

• 2:50:57Speaker 01

  The dinosaurs?

• 2:50:58Joe Rogan?

  No, the other thing, we're doing ourselves in faster than them. No, they get hit by a rock.

• 2:51:02Speaker 01

  I was like, oh no, we're coming to dangerous territory when we find out Joe doesn't believe in dinosaurs.

• 2:51:08Joe Rogan?

  I was watching, we were talking about Candace Owens last night. Candace Owens like said dinosaurs are fake and gay.

• 2:51:17Speaker 01

  Is that what she says?

• 2:51:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:18Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:51:19Joe Rogan?

  I don't know what she means by that. She might just be having fun. This whole Bridget McCrone thing though is crazy.

• 2:51:26Speaker 01

  Did you watch any of it?

• 2:51:27Joe Rogan?

  No, no.

• 2:51:30Joe Rogan?

  No, I got no time. But I did see a comparison to the photographs of the person that she's claiming is actually, you know, like the brother.

• 2:51:40Speaker 01

  Oh, the brother? Didn't the brother disappear or something?

• 2:51:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the brother disappeared. And the brother literally looks exactly like her. I mean, to a fucking T.

• 2:51:50Speaker 01

  She was kind of on the like Blake and Ryan thing too, I think.

• 2:51:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:55Speaker 01

  She's a sleuthin'. She's been a sleuthin'.

• 2:51:57Joe Rogan?

  Look at these.

• 2:51:59Speaker 01

  Okay, that's pretty freaking weird.

• 2:52:01Joe Rogan?

  I'll send it to Jamie. Cause this is, I mean, she's just going all in. First of all, I don't even know if this is a real picture. I mean, this easily could be some AI bullshit that somebody created to try to pretend that the brother is actually her. But the brother is like not to be found. And

• 2:52:21Joe Rogan?

  if that's real, see, I don't know if that's real. I don't know if that's real because I mean, even the fucking teeth are the same. Like everything's the same. Every wrinkle of the face is the same. If that's, if that was my brother, if my brother looked, I'd be like, wait, wait, we're not twins? So we're not twins. Like what?

• 2:52:37Speaker 03

  Looks photoshopped. The mouth definitely looks photoshopped.

• 2:52:39Joe Rogan?

  How so?

• 2:52:40Speaker 03

  Cause like you said, the teeth are exact.

• 2:52:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, exact, in the exact position, right?

• 2:52:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're not even almost.

• 2:52:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, it looks fake. It looks like somebody doctored up, somebody used AI.

• 2:52:51Speaker 03

  Same cracks in the lips, right here.

• 2:52:53Joe Rogan?

  Pretty much, right? That's probably bullshit.

• 2:52:55Speaker 03

  That mouth is photoshopped.

• 2:52:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so you can't tell what's real and what's not real online anymore.

• 2:53:02Speaker 01

  Nothing's real, nothing.

• 2:53:04Joe Rogan?

  You literally can't tell.

• 2:53:05Speaker 01

  You have to operate from the idea that this is not real. You have to start there now.

• 2:53:10Joe Rogan?

  Right, but also, this is just the beginning. Like, what are we gonna be looking at five years from now? We're gonna be looking at indescribable experiences that are indistinguishable from reality. Not just like images, but you're gonna be able to like, you're gonna be able to have experiences that aren't real.

• 2:53:26Speaker 01

  Do you, do you think that the like, metaverse thing is gonna take off? Like, people are gonna be plugging in to the...

• 2:53:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, if it gets good enough.

• 2:53:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and cheap enough, cuz it's kind of expensive.

• 2:53:37Joe Rogan?

  It's expensive, and it's also weird to have something in your face. People feel weird, like, wearing this big clunky thing. But if you can sit down and attach something to your head, and then all of a sudden, you're in another world. You're in Avatar, flying on a fucking dragon. We're gonna do it.

• 2:53:50Speaker 01

  I mean, it sounds, isn't like, Redman really into that?

• 2:53:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, loves it, yeah.

• 2:53:53Speaker 01

  He's like, famous in the, in the metaverse.

• 2:53:55Joe Rogan?

  He goes in there every night, and he has like, parties and stuff. He's a nut. But it's perfect for someone like him. He's a video game guy, loves the internet.

• 2:54:03Speaker 01

  Matt was telling me, like, he's like, took him to a comedy, you can do a type 5 at a comedy club there. It's crazy.

• 2:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, Zuckerberg showed me that too. There's a, there's a metaverse comedy club.

• 2:54:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you, he's like, you had to like, know people to get in, and he's famous. I was like, this is not, it's nuts that this already exists to me.

• 2:54:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just the beginning. It's only, that's Pong, you know? And whatever it's gonna be like, 20 years from now, is gonna be something really wild.

• 2:54:27Speaker 01

  Isn't it weird to think that like, you might just exist forever in the, in the metaverse, talking? Cuz you've done so many podcasts, they'll just be able to cut and paste and make you kind of like...

• 2:54:36Joe Rogan?

  Not even just that, they'll be able to get a map.

• 2:54:38Speaker 01

  What if you're a god in the future?

• 2:54:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, they'll be able to get a map of how I think, and how I go over things, and how I go, "Well, maybe not. Let's look at that," and then they'll apply that sort of thinking. And they'll be able to do podcasts with me, with anyone in history. I'll be able to have a podcast with Albert Einstein.

• 2:54:53Speaker 01

  I always think about this when I see the people who get tattoos of you. I'm like, future civilizations are gonna be like, "Who was this man? He must have been someone important, maybe a shaman or a Brahmin, like..."

• 2:55:05Joe Rogan?

  No, he's a bro cage fighting commentator.

• 2:55:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me and Einstein.

• 2:55:12Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 2:55:13Joe Rogan?

  Look at him. That's a young Einstein, too.

• 2:55:15Speaker 03

  I said he trained a thing to have... I was looking into this. They can already do it.

• 2:55:20Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:55:21Joe Rogan?

  Let me hear this.

• 2:55:23Speaker 03

  They don't have their voices for some reason. But I've seen one where they did.

• 2:55:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Nikola Tesla. Ooh, I'd love to have a podcast with him. They already did a podcast with me and Steve Jobs.

• 2:55:33Speaker 01

  Did they?

• 2:55:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, an audio one. An audio podcast with me and Steve Jobs. It's crude. You can kind of tell that it's not real, but that's just because it's, you know, first generation.

• 2:55:42Speaker 01

  That's really weird.

• 2:55:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We've got to wrap this up, Bridget. Thank you very much, my friend. Always great to see you.

• 2:55:47Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 2:55:48Joe Rogan?

  Always a pleasure. Tell everybody how to get your stuff, where to find you.

• 2:55:51Speaker 01

  Just go to my YouTube and subscribe. That's the best thing you can do.

• 2:55:56Joe Rogan?

  What's the YouTube?

• 2:55:57Speaker 01

  It's Bridget Fetazy. I don't even know my YouTube. It's Fetazy, P-H-E-T-A-S-Y. Dumpster Fire is the show.

• 2:56:07Speaker 01

  Fetazy.com, like...

• 2:56:09Joe Rogan?

  All that stuff on your website.

• 2:56:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can find me.

• 2:56:12Joe Rogan?

  All right, my friend. Appreciate you.

• 2:56:13Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 2:56:14Joe Rogan?

  Bye. Love you too. Bye, everybody.

• 2:56:16Speaker 01

  Bye.