Bill Pulte, CEO of Pulte Capital: Bitcoin and the Ultimate Giveback

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• 0:01Anthony Pompliano?

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• 2:24Speaker 01

  Anthony Pompliano is a partner at Morgan Creek Digital. All opinions expressed by Pomp or his guests on this podcast are solely their opinions and do not reflect the opinions of Morgan Creek Digital or Morgan Creek Capital Management. You should not treat any opinion expressed by Pomp as a specific inducement to make a particular investment or follow a particular strategy, but only as an expression of his opinion. This podcast is for informational purposes only.

• 2:50Anthony Pompliano?

  All right, guys. Bang, bang. I am here with Bill Pulte. As many of you know, he's been doing some pretty inspiring work on Twitter, essentially just giving away money and trying to inspire some people. So you came to New York City to record this. I really appreciate you taking the time.

• 3:09Speaker 03

  Happy to.

• 3:10Anthony Pompliano?

  And I think that people are really going to enjoy this. So you've got a different story than most people in that you somehow ended up giving out money on Twitter. Let's start from the beginning. You're born in Florida and kind of how do you get from there to what you're doing today?

• 3:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, born in Boynton Beach, Florida, grew up in Boca Raton. My whole family was from Michigan, so kind of had the northern, midwestern blood, but lived in Florida. And I think Florida gave me a great perspective. My father was a big home builder down there. So luxury homes is what my dad builds. My grandfather built production homes.

• 3:44Anthony Pompliano?

  What's the difference between those two?

• 3:46Speaker 03

  Well, production is when you're building one to, let's say, 3,000 homes at a time. When you're building many homes, you're having subdivisions, those kinds of things. My dad was building $10 million to $70 million homes on the southeast shore of Florida.

• 4:03Speaker 03

  You know, I knew enough about building to be dangerous, but I didn't have maybe the design talent that my grandfather had. And so I had a bunch of different interests than my dad and my grandfather. And so, you know, grew up down there, learned the business, then went to school and went from there.

• 4:19Anthony Pompliano?

  And where'd you go to school?

• 4:21Speaker 03

  Northwestern.

• 4:22Anthony Pompliano?

  All right. And I know the answer. You studied journalism there.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  I did.

• 4:26Anthony Pompliano?

  What was driving the interest in journalism and kind of media?

• 4:30Speaker 03

  You know, I've always been fascinated by the fact that you can do things en masse. One of the things that, you know, my grandfather really taught me, I think my grandfather really taught me how to think. And I was very close with him. He died when he was 85, so I had the benefit, really, of knowing him from, let's call it, 78 to 85. And he really taught me about, you know, mental prisons, how to think differently, that there's no such word as can't. And so, you know, I was always fascinated in broadcasting, that basically, you could reach a lot of people very quickly with an idea, and that you could, you know, mobilize people in numbers. And I think that's why I was so interested in it. Now, having said that, I realized that my family wasn't going to enable me. One of the things my father did was he had me work from a young age, on job sites, literally cleaning out

• 5:14Speaker 03

  behind porta potties, to teach me the value of a dollar. That was something he was very intent on. And so I knew when I graduated from college, that my father would basically say, "Hey, look, Billy," that's what they called me, that's what they did call me, "you know, Billy, you gotta go out and you gotta make your own living." And so, I said, "Well, if that's the case, and, you know, I want to be able to do as much as I can long-term, I gotta go out and make money." And so that's why I pivoted into business.

• 5:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. And what's your take on kind of the state of journalism and media today, right? It's a unique perspective to have kind of been trained as a young kid in business and home building, go in and study in a more kind of classical or academic environment media, and then today, I'll call you a citizen journalist to some degree.

• 6:02Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 6:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Because you're leveraging some of these platforms that...

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, I say in many ways, what we are doing is journalism. I mean, basically, what we do is, there are people all throughout the country that have, you know, crises that are in need. And we need to get that message out to people because my experience has been especially the last eight weeks when somebody's in crisis and you can communicate that properly to people, people want to help. I mean, people, we're all human beings at the end of the time. We have all these constructs, you know, we're here in New York City, this big building, you know, we get caught up in all these, you know, physical things that in my mind are just, you know, inventions of the mind. And sometimes we forget that feeling, that human interaction. And, you know, that's what I think is so important for what we're doing.

• 6:42Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. So before we get into the Twitter philanthropy stuff,

• 6:45Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 6:46Anthony Pompliano?

  You go from the studying journalism to today, you've got kind of two separate bodies of work with Pulte Capital and then the inner-city blight work that you're doing. Maybe give us an overview of both of those different bodies of work.

• 6:59Speaker 03

  Well, because I knew I had to make my own money out of college, I went and worked for somebody else, learned how to buy companies. And then I went out and I raised a lot of money from a bank, which I was very fortunate to have happen. And, you know, it didn't actually have to do with my family, it was actually a big bank, they lent me five and three-quarters million bucks, a bank did, because I had a really good business. Went out, bought that business, and then slowly but surely just, you know, worked my you-know-what off. And that was definitely interesting, being a young guy, having people who were older than me and whatnot. But after frankly, making a lot of mistakes, I was able to go out and buy other companies. And, you know, fortunately, I've been able to make, you

• 7:40Speaker 03

  know, a lot of money, you know, tens and tens of millions of dollars on my own, independent from my family. And so, that, you know, experience in business and making money is partially why I got involved in inner-city blight. You know, as I started making money, I started saying to myself, you know, one of the things that my grandfather had taught me in terms of how to think was really that, you know, things can be solved. And it's just often how we're thinking about the problem. And so, I can get an inner-city blight if you want. But basically, how I think about the inner cities is that these are the forgotten people of the United States. In many cases, they're large African-American populations. And, you know, many politicians, Republicans and Democrats, just go there.

• 8:23Speaker 03

  When they need, you know, votes and those kinds of things. But meanwhile, if you go into these inner-city neighborhoods, there's abandoned buildings, there's trash, there's debris. Nobody should live like that in America. And I actually drove through Detroit when I was, I don't know, 24, I think. And I was so pissed to see how some of these kids were walking to school. I mean, I could just feel it viscerally. I was just angry, you know? And I said, there's no reason, you know, I mean, I grew up in a home-building family, and I grew up with my dad building these exquisite things that were like pieces of art. And meanwhile, we can't tear down this piece of crap that's, you know, scaring the living hell out of a girl who walks to school every day? She's afraid she's gonna get raped in Detroit? This is crazy. So, that's really what got me, you know, fired

• 9:05Speaker 03

  up about it. And I pitched my grandfather on it, because, you know, I knew that he knew how to think about things differently. And he says, Billy, I wouldn't touch that with a 10-foot pole. He said, I'd stay far away from that. He says, all those politicians are crooked. You know, I remember, I remember the exact phone call. I called him back two weeks later. I said, we gotta do this. I said, this is just crazy. Detroit's got 30,000 abandoned homes. We gotta do something. And so, we went and pitched the mayor, and I can tell you more about that.

• 9:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. So, before we get into the blight stuff, the companies that you're buying and selling and kind of running, any specific industry focus there or interest, or just looking for sustainable, profitable businesses?

• 9:41Speaker 03

  All-in-building products, home-building products. I've done very well in heating and air conditioning.

• 9:46Anthony Pompliano?

  And these are service businesses?

• 9:48Speaker 03

  These are mostly service businesses. The one business that I have is a countertop business. It's a manufacturer, which is a challenging, you know, it's, it's, you know, manufacturers in many cases can be tougher than service businesses. But I've had experience in both of those.

• 10:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. I, I've got a friend who, he's built a pretty nice business going and acquiring a lot of these service providers. And what he looks for is, he looks for trade-based service companies. And he says, you know, the one thing that the machines, the algorithms, the software will never be able to do is lay the electrical wires.

• 10:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's exactly right.

• 10:22Anthony Pompliano?

  That type of stuff.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  Well, see, so, I took the approach, you know, in school. A lot of other people wanted to go learn technology, and they wanted to go start at the next Silicon Valley thing. You know, I Been kind of training that blue collar, you know, builder trade mentality, you know, sweeping out floors and homes. That's kind of my DNA. And so I, I knew that there was inherent value in doing that. And to your point, you know, at least now, robots and technology can't replace those things. And so, you know, meanwhile, you know, here I am 24 years old, everybody's going into app development and web development. And then boom, here I am, you know, looking like a total knucklehead. I'm saying in terms of when I first started out, my friends all thinking, you know, you're leaving, you know, finance to go do this. And I went and bought these heating and air conditioning companies. And it turns out, I'm pretty good at owning an

• 11:08Speaker 03

  air conditioning company because it's just people. And, and it's just treating people right. And frankly, getting them out of their mental prisons to help grow those businesses. And we've been very successful at doing that.

• 11:18Anthony Pompliano?

  It's funny, because a lot of the aspects you deal with in those companies is, one, people, like you said, but two, it's customer service. It's being on time, right? It's pretty simply understood things. They're just really hard to execute because you have to be disciplined. You really have to make sure that the experience that you're delivering for the person on the end of the service is up to the standard, because most of your competitors probably aren't.

• 11:43Speaker 03

  That's correct. And today's day and age, obviously, things are so short. You have so quick to get people's attention span, that, you know, a bad service experience immediately will make its way into a Google review. And that's one of the things, my companies all have great Google reviews. I mean, it's like, you know, we want to make sure we are interacting with the customer perfectly, as you know, as we humanly can.

• 12:03Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And so, let's transition to the, the inner city blight, because one of the reasons when I first saw you doing this, and I should tell folks that, so I had heard of Bill, because I believe one of my partners, Mark Yusko, is your dad's college roommate? Is that right?

• 12:22Speaker 03

  I don't know if they were roommates, but definitely friends.

• 12:24Anthony Pompliano?

  Friends. Okay. So friends in college. And, and he had told me about you and your family and everything, but, but we'd never met. And one day I see him start tweeting a bunch and start paying attention. And so when I looked and saw the inner city blight stuff, the thing that immediately struck in my head was, if you change someone's environment, you can change the person, right? And I think that you're talking about some of this with their mindset and if you literally take somebody out of a dire situation, you then put them in a situation where the environment looks different, the people they're surrounded with, the people they spend their time with, the expectations change, etc. And to me, it feels like that's some of what you're doing here, but you're attacking the problem rather than just taking people out of the environment. You're saying, "Look, actually, let's just improve those environments."

• 13:07Speaker 03

  That's right. I mean, a lot of people focus on like, education and inner cities. Great cause, 100%, we need more of it. But at the end of the day, if kids can't walk to school safely because they're afraid of getting dragged into these abandoned buildings and raped, that's a problem. And so, that's really where I focused on it, Pomp. And when we go in and we knock down these abandoned buildings, what happens is the morale of people. I mean, it's almost like that you become in a psychological toxic prison in some of these neighborhoods and you're surrounded by these homes and you just, you can feel just how, you know, how it is. And you're just like, you know, how can anybody feel good about themselves when they're waking up with a fire-burnt structure and they don't know whether that structure, some people have a structure next to them, they think it's going to fall on their house. Every day, these people wait, I mean, this isn't America.

• 13:49Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 13:50Speaker 03

  I mean, I've had veterans tell me that it's, you know, better in some cases in Iraq than it is in some of these neighborhoods. That can't happen. And so, what we do is we fundamentally go in. We got 10 blocks and 10 days gone of blight in Detroit.

• 14:03Anthony Pompliano?

  So, let's talk about the very first one, right? So, my understanding is, you guys go to, is the mayor of Detroit, I think?

• 14:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, Mayor Bing.

• 14:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Right. And what was the pitch to the mayor on kind of the first effort?

• 14:14Speaker 03

  Well, the previous mayor before him had gone to jail, actually, for siphoning demolition funds and other things, I think. And so, we went into him and we said, "Look, you know us, you know, we're the Pulte, we know what we're doing. Let us go into a 10-block area and let us do it." And, you know, they talked about the different things, the racial components, these type of things, which I've gotten, you know, very good at understanding and, you know, because, you know, this is where people live, too. You know, you've got to be very, you've got to work with the community. The community is who is most important.

• 14:46Anthony Pompliano?

  It's the same thing, Bill Gates and Melinda Gates, they say all the time that one of the biggest lessons they've learned in their philanthropic efforts, right, which what you're doing is kind of a public-private partnership type model, but if you don't have the buy-in of the community, whether it's in, you know, some city where you're trying to put literally mosquito nets all the way to just remove blight from their community, if you don't have their buy-in, you know, you're basically fighting an uphill battle that you probably won't win.

• 15:09Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 15:10Anthony Pompliano?

  Right.

• 15:10Speaker 03

  And who wouldn't want to do that? I mean, unless you've got some nefarious intent to build there or something else, which obviously I don't, but you know, if you're doing it for the right altruistic reasons, engaging with the community is what you want to do in your heart, and it leads to a better outcome.

• 15:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Yep. So you guys say, okay, look, there's a 10-block area we want to go into, and literally, we're just going to knock down the structures that are less desirable, we're going to kind of clean up all the brush and the blight, and then just remove it? Is that kind of the initial pitch?

• 15:37Speaker 03

  Well, we ask the community what they want. So in most cases, when you go into these neighborhoods, they say, oh, you know, that house is a crack house, that house is a prostitution house. Oh, see that, see those, you know, brush and debris over there? That's where a prostitute lives. I mean, this is literally what happens when we go into these areas. So yes, very quickly, we identify, you know, where are the prostitutes, where are the drug addicts, and whatnot. My biggest thing is, that I work with, in that case, the mayor, but then I have to go and I get the governor involved. I mean, it's almost like, you know, in some ways, you're, you know, you're, you're, you know, almost like a politician.

• 16:13Anthony Pompliano?

  You have to build consensus.

• 16:14Speaker 03

  Governor, you know, you're almost like a government, and, you know, you have to know how to do all that, okay? And so you get the mayor, and you get the governor, and you get the county, and you tell them, oh, hey, look, you guys got to play ball here. There are real human beings who are suffering in these areas. And usually, when I'm involved, they all start to play nice. So we identify the structures, we get everybody to play nice, we get the proper permitting, we get the job done.

• 16:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. And part of this is, on that last step, that execution of getting the job done, it's not just, hey, here's a bunch of out-of-towners who walk in, and they're going to kind of tear apart our community and remove these structures, etc.

• 16:47Speaker 03

  No, we hire the locals.

• 16:48Anthony Pompliano?

  You actually use the community.

• 16:49Speaker 03

  And we try to give them career. So for example, a guy named Terron Score, great guy, learned how to do asbestos removal, environmental... Removal, he's now actually has a full-time job. He lived within this perimeter. You know, had no job and we're going in there and trying to do that. So we tried to make it a win-win. But this is fundamentally transforming neighborhoods. We went into the city of Pontiac, Michigan. At 900 structures when I showed up there. By the end of this year, we think we'll have zero structures that are abandoned in the city of Pontiac. We will have eliminated with the mayor. She did all the work, you know, I mean, we were great partners, but we knocked down, she didn't do all the work, but we all, you know, we're all partners. We, we knocked down with them 900 plus abandoned buildings.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  Uh, property values are up. If you would have put $1 million in when we first started, today it'd be worth $7 million, according to some uh, research house. Violent crime in the city of Pontiac, big area for murders and stuff historically is down 38% since our blight removal efforts. So what I'm talking about is fundamentally transforming inner cities and we've done it. You hear a lot of talk and that kind of stuff. This model can work.

• 17:53Anthony Pompliano?

  And would you agree that it's less expensive to remove the blight than it would be to, let's say, build new things, right? Like from a cost perspective, it's more efficient to remove bad stuff.

• 18:04Speaker 03

  Well, you have to remove that stuff before you even build, right? Like, let's say it's like four steps, like step four is building or something like that. Step one is get rid of the trash and the crap and the debris. I mean, it's like in your own home, like, you know, oh, you're gonna have a dinner party, which would be the equivalent of like, you know, building something. Well, you can't have anybody over if you had just a bunch of crap everywhere. And, and so what we're doing is going into the community and saying, hey, look, we know the government's failed you in these aspects. We're gonna partner with the government, you know, be nice and let's just get rid of these buildings.

• 18:37Anthony Pompliano?

  What's been?

• 18:37Speaker 03

  Or debris or boats. I mean, we found 12 boats. Can you believe that? 12 boats in one perimeter in Detroit. People just dump stuff. White suburbanites, and I love them, you know, because I love everybody, but you know, they come in and they dump this stuff. It's terrible. These people should be arrested.

• 18:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Well, and what's been the historical challenge to getting this stuff cleaned up? Is it a government inefficiency? Is it just people don't care, so they don't even try? Or what's been the challenge as you've kind of learned more about this?

• 19:08Speaker 03

  I think it's, you know, having a very good competent leader who can get everybody to work together and play ball. You know, the good news is in terms of this model is some, uh, Some people are already doing this model pretty good because they have good leadership. So I think, you know, good leadership leads to that. There's many cities in the United States that are making a good impact and we're looking at just maybe kind of supercharging what they're doing.

• 19:31Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. And before we move on from this, just talk about, so when you go and you identify these structures, right, you walk into a community and they say, hey, that's the crack house, right? And it's some sort of less desirable structure. What's the actual process of removing it? Do you go in with like the wrecking ball? Do you go with, you know, 10 people and sledgehammers? Like, how do you actually take down a structure and then remove the debris?

• 19:52Speaker 03

  It's a great question. What's so unique about our model is the government has historically gone, you know, kind of scattershot. So they do one home in one area of the city. Then they do another home. Then they do another home. And it'd be all over the map. What we've done is, because we're very experienced in home building and in production building, we've come up with economies of scale. So we go into that specific area and we concentrate the demolitions. And by doing that, we get economies of scale. Why? And we just did this in St. Louis. Jack Dorsey and I, founder of Twitter, just went into St. Louis and we cleaned up a perimeter. And literally, if you were there at the press conference, you'd see this big yellow truck and you'd see two homes. And then, and then behind it, you'd see two other homes. Well, you don't need to pay a guy to go out there to knock down one structure and then knock down another structure.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  No, you use that same truck, or that same tractor, and you go and knock them down and you get that efficiency. So, you know, in terms of the permitting, what we try to do is maybe be a little bit more different than the government. The government says, oh, we're only going to knock down, and I'm just generalizing, in most cases says, we're not going to knock it down if somebody else owns the property. We say, we don't give a damn who owns the property. These things need to come down. So we'll go up to Mr. Smith or Mrs. Smith and we'll say, hey, you know, Mr. and Mrs. Smith, you can keep property ownership. And we did this actually in St. Louis. And we said, we'll pay, you know, charitably nonprofit for the demolition, you keep the property. And it's kind of a win-win.

• 21:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. And you keep talking about the permitting. What does that process look like? Because I think a lot of people, when they see this, like, oh, how hard could it be? You just pull up and knock down the structure. I'm sure that there's a pretty arduous process that you go through to be allowed to do this. Maybe just talk a little bit about that.

• 21:28Speaker 03

  You have to look out for property ownership. I mean, you know, there's laws. And so, really, the cities who've done it well is they try to notify the owners and tell them, look, you know, you're leaving your building burned or abandoned or, you know, decrepit and it's harming people. You go through a process. Some cities at our urging have created what's called the Blight Court, which is basically where you can put these things through and, you know, foreclose, you know, and the government can foreclose on them. I mean, these aren't, these aren't people living in these homes. These are, these are speculative investors who don't give a damn about the people living in the area. So the city goes in and they, they, they do the right thing, which is either get, get it or get the ability to knock it down.

• 22:07Anthony Pompliano?

  And I'm guessing if you're an investor and you know you have this, one of the things that you've left it there is because it's expensive to knock it down. So if somebody says, hey, I'll knock it down for you and you keep the property and then you could go build or do whatever you wanted as the owner, it's probably actually a positive or something that they look at beneficially.

• 22:23Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 22:23Anthony Pompliano?

  Is that right?

• 22:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's, I mean, the, the joy on people's face is unbelievable. I mean, people clapping when they see these demolitions. I mean, people smiling, hugging, crying, you know, saying, I've waited 20 years for this building to be knocked down.

• 22:36Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 22:36Speaker 03

  Uh, it's a, it's, it's a beautiful thing.

• 22:39Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. And, and it's funny how you described each community knows the good areas and the bad areas. Right? And, and when they live in the community, it's, it's the whole idea of like community policing, right? It's just the people that are there, they know their community, they know the good people, the bad people, the good areas, the bad areas. And when you get their buy-in, now what you're doing is you're really empowering those people to clean up their own community. Right? They just don't have the, they don't have that truck, right? They don't have the ability to navigate the courts and the permitting process to be allowed to knock that stuff down. So, so it's pretty incredible.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  And you can see why I'm so passionate about it is because these are like the most vulnerable Americans who can't, who can't get a truck, who can't get a tractor to knock down the building. They didn't do anything wrong. And so that's why I just feel so strongly that we need to go in there and help these people.

• 23:25Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. Um, all right. So you go from, uh, buying up home air conditioning companies, heating companies, uh, knocking down structures to, uh,

• 23:36Speaker 03

  That's all charitably, by the way. The not, you know, that's one thing to point out. The Blight stuff is all nonprofit.

• 23:41Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. And, and next thing I know, you're on Twitter. And, uh, you go from, uh, essentially non-existent on Twitter to now probably one of the most engaged, largest accounts on the platform. Well, just, what have you been doing? How did this come about? Where did the Twitter philanthropy kind of passion come from?

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Well, it comes from the same passion as the Blight work, which is fighting for those who are vulnerable and taking care of the poor. You know, I've been fortunate to have a lot of money and a lot of other people have a lot of money. But the way to deploy the money, in my opinion, is so broken in the sense that you have to go through all this rigmarole. You know, you have to fill out all this paperwork. And, you know, you and me being young guys, being of this generation, I'm saying, you know, this is such an amazing thing to be able to give money. How come we're not using technology for it? And so I had this idea, basically, when I was sitting out on my porch in northern Michigan. Well, actually, I'd had the idea for about nine months, to be honest with you. I'd been thinking about giving away money for a long time on Twitter.

• 24:42Anthony Pompliano?

  All right.

• 24:42Speaker 03

  I mean, why not?

• 24:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Well, no one had done it before, so that would be one reason, why not?

• 24:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Did you think that if you started doing this, it would just immediately work?

• 24:53Speaker 03

  I knew it would get interest, you know? I knew people at first. You know, in my businesses, what I've been able to be successful at is getting people outside of, and again, I don't mean to bring it up again, but I feel very passionate about it, mental prisons. Because I believe so much of what we think is, you know, not able to be done is just how we're thinking about it. And so I knew that people would be in their quote unquote "mental prisons" when I started to put out that money was there, right? People were thinking, "Oh, no, you know, Twitter is, you know, an organic place, you know, it has to be based off of this, or it has to be based off of news." So I knew it would change the paradigm. I guess I just didn't know how much of a nerve it would hit.

• 25:36Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. And do you remember the first thing that you did? Do you remember how much you gave?

• 25:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, 10 grand.

• 25:42Anthony Pompliano?

  10 grand. Okay, so the first one is, "Hey, I'm gonna give out $10,000 to whoever..."

• 25:46Speaker 03

  Says the best cause, or something like that.

• 25:49Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it.

• 25:49Speaker 03

  And it went viral immediately.

• 25:51Anthony Pompliano?

  And what was the cause?

• 25:53Speaker 03

  Well, I ended up giving it to veterans. That's actually how I met Code Vets, which is this great veterans organization that we work with.

• 25:59Anthony Pompliano?

  Got it. And the reaction to that first one, are people, I'm assuming that there's plenty of people who, "Hey, I got a cause," right? They're kind of, you know, very receptive to this. But there's also probably folks who are less receptive. Maybe they are a little measured in the, you know, what's the catch type situation? Or what's his angle? Did you see that at first?

• 26:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I still see it. I mean, I would say that our society has gotten to a point where like if I say pomp, I love you. And if I genuinely mean like, I love you.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  You know, not only do you probably get goosebumps and it feels a little bit uncomfortable, but that's what we've come to expect, expect out of society. We can't say love you to anybody anymore. You know, and if you say I love you, then it's like, well, what, what's wrong with that guy? Well, we were all raised, I mean, at least I was, and many people were raised to, you know, to love one another. And so all I'm trying to do is get people to love one another. And, you know, I'll tell you, while I do get sad sometimes to see how some people respond, one of the patterns that I've noticed is that the people who aren't happy with what we're doing, first of all, nine, and you know, my opinion is, you know, 99% of people like it. The, let's call it the 2% who don't are the people who either didn't get the money, right?

• 27:18Speaker 03

  So, you know, they didn't get the money. Or number two, they're not dying of cancer. They don't have their teeth falling out. They're, they didn't just have their son, you know, literally blow off their head because he came back from Afghanistan with PTSD. You know, so, so in terms of that, I don't really care. You know what I mean? That's one thing that I think is good about me is I don't really care what people think. I just want to get the job done.

• 27:45Anthony Pompliano?

  I, um, I want to talk a little bit, uh, before we get into like the hardcore philanthropy stuff, just about Twitter in general first. And, and, um, a lot of people ask me, you know, hey, how do you grow your account? How do you, you know, do all this stuff? And I think you've done it better than, than anyone. Um, and one of the things I tell them is, uh, you have to have really thick skin, right? Or you have to not care what people will say, um, because the detractors or the, the folks who have a negative viewpoint will be the loudest. Right? And, and I, I do think that if you look across a lot of these, um, large accounts on Twitter and other platforms as well, but specifically Twitter, because it's so conversational, they have really, really thick skin and they're able to just kind of roll right through the, the detractors and not let it faze them.

• 28:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:29Anthony Pompliano?

  Right.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  Embarrassment is often a mental prison that we create. And, you know, the only way to not be embarrassed, in my experience, is to actually embarrass yourself, to put yourself through, you know, bad feeling, through feeling crappy. But, once you do that, you come out the other side, you come out pretty good. So, I actually, you know, I, sometimes, I'm a human, I mean, obviously, I'm a human being, so sometimes I get angry. I find that I'm happier than I've ever been. I've generally always been a happy person, but this has just made me, I mean, very happy. It's quite incredible. Well, when you give, you receive. And, and I, I knew it intellectually. I knew it because I had been raised by my grandfather in part, who, you know,

• 29:14Speaker 03

  gave hundreds of millions of dollars away, and he did so privately. Toward the end of his life, he gave away a building publicly to try to inspire others. That's what actually helped jumpstart this whole thing. But, really, until I started giving, did I not fully appreciate how much giving, how, how good giving felt. You know, we run around every day, and, you know, we're all focused on, oh, you know, my thing is the most important thing, and we're all caught up in our own heads. And, you know, if we just step back for a moment, and we look at things, and we focus on other people, it's amazing what can happen. Your whole life transforms when you start to give.

• 29:53Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. On that topic, we, we've previously talked about this idea of kindness and generosity being a viral product, right? When, you know, you say, hey, look, I saw my grandfather do something. It, it was inspiring to, to do it yourself. I think that that's an element of what is, kind of caught the lightning in a bottle, if you will, on Twitter with Twitter philanthropy, is people see you giving, and it inspires them to want to be kinder, to be more generous to people. Do you get the sense that, that's playing out in the real world? Or do you think it's more kind of people tweeting about it, but maybe not actually putting it into action?

• 30:30Speaker 03

  Oh, no, they're putting it into action. I mean, the, the vast majority of what we're raising now is from, you know, other people, hundreds, thousands of people doing it. I mean, I say, I'm only one person, you know, Bill Pulte. I mean, yeah, can I give millions of dollars away, you know, throughout my life and these type of things? Fine. But I'm just a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of the whole need of the world. And so for me, what's interesting is getting literally tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people to give. That's when the numbers start to get really big. And you see me doing these giveaways and everything, and I communicate this with my followers, who I call teammates, because they are my team. And I say to them, "Look, I'm going to use my capital to help grow our follower base, to help grow our team. But I really need all of you guys to step in to be able to back me up in terms of these

• 31:15Speaker 03

  individual causes." You know, and I do contribute to some of these causes. But again, the thing that I'm mostly focused on is, how can I invest tens of thousands and hundreds of thousands of my dollars to build this platform of kindness and generosity?

• 31:30Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, and part of it, what you're talking about, so let's dive into the mechanism, right? Essentially, what you're doing is you're saying, "Hey, I'm going to give everything from," I think I've seen $100, $500, $1,000, $5,000, $10,000, "I'm going to give a car," right? All these different things. You're essentially putting a carrot out in the world, right? And you're saying, "Spread this message, right? Retweet this message to as many people as possible." And there's a waterfall effect to it. So, there's a bunch of people who see the tweet, right? I mean, many of these tweets have gotten 50, 100,000 retweets. Then some of those people go and say, "Hey, who the hell is Bill Pulte, right? Why is he giving out $10,000, right?" They go and they check your account, or they go and they follow you, and they start to build this. And what they realize is, this isn't a one-time thing, right?

• 32:15Anthony Pompliano?

  You're actually doing it on a consistent basis, and you really are pulling all of these people into this Twitter philanthropy movement or community. The part that becomes interesting to me is, it's not just tweets about, "Hey, I'm going to give $10,000," right? My favorite ones, I think, that you've done are when you share like a GoFundMe page.

• 32:35Speaker 03

  Those are my favorite, too.

• 32:36Anthony Pompliano?

  And you can see, what you've really done is you've created a firehose of traffic, of like-minded people who want to be kind, who want to be generous, and who want to support each other.

• 32:45Speaker 03

  And who want to feel better about themselves. You know, that's one of the biggest things, I think, of this movement. And, you know, it's nice talking with you about it, because I haven't thought about all these things, I just do more off of this early instinct. But, you know... I think one of the beautiful things about this is that people are looking after others, but they're also looking after themselves and they're realizing that mentally, you know, especially today's day and age where, you know, so many people are on antidepressants and these type of things and we need those because there are some people who have some serious real issues, chemical issues. But, you know, we've, and this gets back to some of the mental thinking, is, you know, we've been so focused on, you know, ourselves that

• 33:27Speaker 03

  sometimes that can be toxic to our own brains. And so, you know, when we're focused on ourselves and when we're internal and these kinds of things, it actually is a pathway to make us unhappy. And so by focusing on other people, what you quickly discover is that you actually internally feel a lot better. And your mental psyche, and again, I'm not giving anybody advice, this is just, you know, my experience, one guy, how it feels, and I see other people too. But mentally, you know, psych wise, you just, you feel a lot better. I mean, you know what I'm talking about, right?

• 34:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Well, and part of it, so let's dive into some of the stories of people that you've helped, right? So, one of the big ones was, there's a gentleman who you guys gave a car to, right? Maybe talk a little bit about who he was, why he needed a car, and kind of how you put together getting him from, "I need a car," to, "Now I got a car."

• 34:24Speaker 03

  Well, I would say that the veterans are so important. These people go over there, they fight, and they come back with scars and not scars. And in these cases, people hear these veterans who, you know, went over there and maybe didn't have enough time to get ahead, and, you know, they need a little bit of help. So, you know, one of the veterans that we helped was a homeless man. Great guy, had a good job, was working, was living in a transition home, so he had a home, but he didn't have a way to get to work. And so we got him a brand new car. Great guy. That was a big one. Another story that, you know, I think is so impactful because it just gets back to thinking better and feeling

• 35:05Speaker 03

  better, is a lady named Karen. She's out of Minnesota, and in June, I believe, she was given six months to live, and she has lung cancer. She was part of that whole Aaron Brockovich asbestos thing. She drank something in a well, or, I don't totally know the whole story, but... She was given six months, then she has four months to live. This, and last week, we raised her $8,000. You would have thought this was like, you would have thought she was like a seven-year-old, you know, getting Christmas presents at Santa Claus. She said, she said, you know, that she was singing and dancing in her kitchen and she was happy. This is somebody who has four months left to live. And, and she's looking at life like, "Oh

• 35:46Speaker 03

  my God, you know, this is amazing. And these people love me and they care for me." Hundreds of people donated to her GoFundMe. I mean, that's the power of the movement. That's the power of what we're doing. And that's truly authentic. You can't replicate that. You can't fake that. You can't do that. I mean, that's somebody who has, I mean, it doesn't get worse. I mean, in my opinion, you know, unless you're dying right now. But, you know, to be given four months left to live and to know that you're dying, I mean, she can't even be on the phone with me, except she coughs so much. So, you know, those are the stories. I mean, we raised another, you know, we raised, you know, I put it out last night to raise three grand, I think, for somebody, and I think she got like five-plus grand, a lady who's terminally ill with brain cancer. That's-

• 36:27Anthony Pompliano?

  How do you source these? Like, how do you decide who you're going to share? Which stories are real and worth sharing versus the hundreds of people who are asking for help, but you know, you just can only help so many people?

• 36:42Speaker 03

  My teammates are the best. And when I say the teammates, you're always gonna get the scammers out there and these kind of people. But the teammates are people who are good Americans, good human beings, who just want to help other people. And what they'll do, Pomp, is they'll tweet out at me. And I read a lot of things. I mean, I, you know, a lot of people say, "Oh," and they say it all the time in my messages, "Oh, I doubt you'll read this." Well, I read a lot of those. But I get a lot of these stories. One of the amazing things are reporters, reporters at the local news stations. They'll tweet something out. One of my followers, which I call teammates, because they are, teammates will do their job, which is to basically scout for this thing. Boom, they'll pick something up, and then I'll run with it. Like, last week, there was a situation in Detroit where a girl who was nine years old was mauled by dogs. These dogs just attacked

• 37:27Speaker 03

  her, and she was riding on her bike. She was nine years old. And so, you know, I saw that. One of my followers, teammate-

• 37:35Speaker 03

  Sent it out and boom, I posted it and within, you know, minutes, the thing was skyrocketing. So it's getting these needs and then, you know, communicating that to people.

• 37:47Anthony Pompliano?

  It's really what you're doing is you're amplifying the people, right? You said in the beginning of kind of giving a voice to these people who-

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Voice to the voiceless.

• 37:54Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, they've done everything they can to try to get help in the sense of they've explained what the cause is. They've put it on something like a GoFundMe, etc. And then you kind of come along with really rocket fuel, right? And you're able to take that and put it in front of the people who actually want to help and are interested in it. Are you worried about getting scammed? Like, are you worried about somebody says, "Hey, I need help," and it ends up not being real? Or how do you kind of think through that?

• 38:20Speaker 03

  Look, I've said that, you know, everybody needs to do their own due diligence and they need to do their own due diligence. But from my perspective, just speaking in my own opinion, you know, if I can help 90% of the people, and I'm not saying it's that number, but if I can help 90% of the people and I get scammed 10% of the time, I'll do that all day long because that's 90% people who we helped that otherwise wouldn't have been helped. So that's just kind of my general psychology on it. You know, I utilize my other teammates, many of these teammates, I mean, Pomp, it's unbelievable. I mean, I've got teachers who have day jobs who come home and they want to work on this and they vet issues. And yes, we found scams before. We've, you know, seen that people have multiple GoFundMes. So, you know, as much as we can, we try to do, but everybody needs to do their own homework.

• 39:05Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. And then how do you select, right? So when you do one of these, "Hey, I'm going to give a call or I'm going to give $10,000," whatever it is. And these things, I mean, when I talk about going viral, some of these tweets go more viral than when movie stars tweet and stuff. I mean, we're talking 100,000 retweets. You've got to be talking about, you know, millions of impressions, if not tens of millions of impressions. How do you pick who to give it to?

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Well, we're going to be sharing all of that soon, so I don't want to get ahead of myself there. But, you know, I would say that what's been so exciting has been that people who are participating in these things, the best ones are where people say, "You know what? I wanted to win money, but now I don't even care about the money. I just want to start being a part of this whole thing." And that's when I know that what we're doing is-

• 39:56Anthony Pompliano?

  It's pretty special. Yeah. Well, and I think that goes back to the idea of the kindness and generosity being viral, right? It literally is inspiring that there's a Twitter account. I'm going to forget who it is, unfortunately, but I've seen them tweet at you and say, hey, you inspired me. I'm not going to give out dollars. I'm going to give out some Bitcoin, right? And they've literally started to, it's not a lot, right? Hundred bucks, $200. That's a lot. But to the right person at the right time, that can be pretty impactful. $5 is a lot. $5 changes people's lives. You've, I think, twice now, offered to give a Bitcoin versus fiat. What's the attraction

• 40:38Anthony Pompliano?

  to Bitcoin? Is it just, hey, there's people in that community that are interested in receiving a different currency? Or is there some other kind of understanding or attraction to it?

• 40:47Anthony Pompliano?

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• 42:11Anthony Pompliano?

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• 42:41Speaker 03

  This movement is about being decentralized and being dependent on hundreds of thousands of people. It's organic. It's whatever direction people want it to go. It's not mine, it's theirs. It's 100% flexible. And in some ways, I think that's very representative of cryptocurrency and, you know, Bitcoin, you know, Bitcoin, you know, and you know more about this than me, but you know, it's really dependent on, you know, the various nodes and the various, you know, people who are participating in it. The network is what makes Bitcoin Bitcoin. Twitter philanthropy, the network is what makes Twitter philanthropy, you know. And so I very much subscribe to the idea of, you know, the power is with the people and the power should be with the people. And I

• 43:25Speaker 03

  think, you know, in many ways cryptocurrency does that. I'll give you another example. In many of these situations with many of the people who are helping, some of these people don't have bank accounts. Specifically in the inner cities in the United States where we've done a lot of good work, you know, many people, good, hardworking Americans, they don't have bank accounts. And so what Cash App and, you know, PayPal and Stripe and these things, they do is they allow people who are literally broke or in crisis situations to be able to get it. And I think, you know, long-term, you know, there needs to be a better way to get resources to these people. And I think cryptocurrencies is, you know, one of those ways.

• 44:05Anthony Pompliano?

  It's got a potential, yeah. You mentioned the Cash App, which obviously has done a great job facilitating people buying Bitcoin, but also for something like this where it is sometimes very urgent, right, where somebody literally will tweet at you and just say, hey, I need 200 bucks.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  I need groceries, yeah, and a cab ride on the way over. I was talking to the cab driver and I said, excuse me, sir, one second, because I'd seen some lady said she needed groceries and I sent her, you know, some money for groceries.

• 44:30Anthony Pompliano?

  And you're, and you're able to do it just on the cash app. They literally just give you their cash tag, right?

• 44:34Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 44:34Anthony Pompliano?

  And you can fire it out. And then obviously it's very effective when you can then also say to others, hey, here is the address. Right? It, it kind of circumvents the legacy banking infrastructure that again, it works for a lot of people, but for some people it doesn't.

• 44:52Speaker 03

  Well, think about if you wire money or something like that. I mean, how long does that take?

• 44:57Anthony Pompliano?

  A little while.

• 44:58Speaker 03

  You know, so I think we're just in the infancy here. I think we're in the first inning.

• 45:03Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. Um, one of the things I want to talk about is, uh, the amounts of money, right? Everyone can get excited about the, the $10,000, the car, the, you know, all that kind of stuff, but the ones to me that feel like they are the most impactful are that $100 for groceries or the, you know, um, there was a gentleman who, uh, he didn't have teeth or he had bad teeth, right? And I think that you guys basically helped, um, him get new teeth.

• 45:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I saw that yesterday, right? You see the before, the guy having no teeth and then after, you know?

• 45:32Anthony Pompliano?

  And by the way, he's got a smile in terms of.

• 45:36Speaker 03

  You've never seen a smile like that. You can't pay for a smile like that.

• 45:40Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it, it's incredible. Um, or, or, you know, probably my favorite story.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  And by the way, that guy was in almost like becoming a recluse, good looking, handsome guy. And, you know, didn't even have self-confidence to go out because, you know, he didn't have teeth.

• 45:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  And boom, boom, boom, you know?

• 45:58Anthony Pompliano?

  Absolutely.

• 45:58Speaker 03

  You know, people from all over the place donate money and he's got teeth.

• 46:02Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, and, and part of it is, um, you know, there's these shows, I, I think one of them was on like MTV or something where, uh, they essentially go and, and they're doing it from a very kind of superficial, made for television type thing, but they go and they find, you know, the nerdy looking guy or girl, and they give them a makeover, right? And the whole point of the show is essentially you can literally see this person go from, uh, not a lot of self-confidence and, and kind of down on their luck. Uh, simply by changing their clothes, their appearance, their haircut, you know, all these things to. Now, somebody who's full of confidence, ready to tackle the world, etc. There's an element at play here, right? So, the easiest example is, hey, somebody didn't have teeth, now they have teeth. But you also see that just in simply somebody saying, "Somebody else in the world was willing to help me.

• 46:47Anthony Pompliano?

  Now, I should turn around and do that." And you can see the confidence level of some of these people really increase and they become bolder and more ambitious, almost.

• 46:54Speaker 03

  That's right. I couldn't have said it better. You know, I mean, it's almost like we're creating like a, in some cases, a mentor system, you know, where people, you know, they have it traditionally. I don't care who, you know, who's successful. Everybody who's successful has had a mentor, somebody who helped them get there. And in many ways, what our community is doing is, you know, these community members, and this is what I'm most proud of. I don't give a damn about my tweets. What I get most pumped up about in the morning is seeing the different teammates interacting with other teammates and taking care of each other. I mean, that's, that's why I do these giveaways and all this other kind of stuff, to see people helping people. I don't know how you say it.

• 47:33Anthony Pompliano?

  It, um, the other day, we were talking before we started recording, you literally tweeted out just, "Hey, send me a picture of where you are this morning." Right? I mean, just a really, really simple tweet. There was no kind of hook.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  And people got to know each other that way.

• 47:45Anthony Pompliano?

  I read through the comments and I saw people who, everything from, uh, you know, my kids are awake and they kind of took a selfie and sent it, all the way to somebody saying, you know, "I've got X issue." And other people, right, you know, I don't know if it's because they think you're not gonna see it or what it is, but they step in.

• 48:01Speaker 03

  I see a lot of those and I like a lot of them.

• 48:04Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Right?

• 48:07Anthony Pompliano?

  The, the other piece of this is, uh, my favorite story by far is the guy who had been incorrectly incarcerated for, I think it was like 20 plus years.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  28 years.

• 48:17Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? He got out.

• 48:19Speaker 03

  We got him a car.

• 48:20Anthony Pompliano?

  You guys.

• 48:20Speaker 03

  We gave him a down payment for the car.

• 48:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Yep. And, and when you guys saw the story, you were basically able to rally behind it and, um, the video he created afterwards. The appreciation and kind of, um, the thing that stuck in my head was, uh, here's somebody who has every right, uh,

• 48:37Speaker 03

  To hate.

• 48:38Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, just to hate everybody, right? I was locked up. I was locked in a cage for 20 something years for something that I didn't do. He couldn't have been more positive, couldn't have been more, um, kind of, uh, his outlook on life couldn't have been more enviable because he realized I've got a new lease on life.

• 48:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:56Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? And obviously you guys helped me with the car, um, kind of gets him off on the right foot so he can go and, and, and kind of live the rest of his life.

• 49:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's the beauty of the Twitter philanthropy movement right there. And who knows where this thing will go? It could be totally donezo, but if I have anything to do with it and my teammates, I hope it'll keep changing lives like that.

• 49:14Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  That's, that's what gets me out of bed at night or in the morning and going to bed at night thinking, you know, damn, that was a pretty good day.

• 49:21Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure.

• 49:22Speaker 03

  We're changing lives every day. It's insane.

• 49:25Anthony Pompliano?

  It, it, it is incredible to watch simply because I think the feedback loop on the impact, right? I think a lot of people when they

• 49:33Speaker 03

  Have you donated yet?

• 49:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Huh? I, I've actually done twice now. Uh, what I've done is I've donated, uh, subscriptions to a newsletter I have.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  Okay. Cause we need, we need guys like you to start, you know, doing it. We're getting a lot of people.

• 49:45Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, so here's my logic behind, uh,

• 49:48Speaker 03

  You know, I hit them up for some money while I was here.

• 49:51Anthony Pompliano?

  A true fundraiser.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, you know.

• 49:53Anthony Pompliano?

  I, I, we'll talk later. I've got some ideas of things that we can do, but I'm only going to give out Bitcoin. I'm not going to give out a

• 49:59Speaker 03

  That's fine. But hey, my, my pillow CEO, Mike Lindell called me. He says, Hey, I want to, I want to help. And, uh, called me last night and, uh, I said, well, what can you give? And he says, well, what do I give? And I said, well, I said, let's put it this way. Two pillows is better than one pillow.

• 50:18Anthony Pompliano?

  Ten pillows.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Is better than one pillow.

• 50:20Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  And so he gave 10, uh, mattresses. So, so I pumped out that tweet this morning and that was kind of him.

• 50:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Here, here's my thing is I probably more than you and I, and I actually agree with your mindset, uh, around the, um, you know, hey, somebody could get scammed, are they not? Whatever. Uh, in the cryptocurrency world, there's a little bit more sensitivity to

• 50:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Cause they had that whole whatever.

• 50:42Anthony Pompliano?

  They've got these bots and all this stuff that, that go on.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. I don't know about that.

• 50:46Anthony Pompliano?

  And yeah, of course. Um, and so my whole thing is can you basically give out education? Right? It is kind of one of the things, but what I've talked to even some Our founders and we'll talk about it when we get done recording is they have products. Right. And can they give huge discounts? Can they give the products away? Right? Can they do things that again? You don't have to take somebody from a really, really dire situation to the richest, most successful person in the world. But giving somebody a helping hand at the right time can be the most impactful thing in the world. Right. And I think that's really kind of.

• 51:19Speaker 03

  And I'm trying to get companies to do that. What's very important to me is that companies do it for the right reasons. Cause you know, there's a lot of people looking for free publicity and stuff. That's, that's not what we're interested in. If somebody's, if a company's really willing to help, and I know my teammates feel this way, we'll take all the money and all the capital. There, but they gotta have the right intent.

• 51:36Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. Before I get into, we crowdsourced a ton of questions for you. So we'll get into those in a second. What, um, what can people do to help? Right? When you, when somebody says, hey, how can I help? What is kind of the best way for them to do that? Or where can they go?

• 51:55Speaker 03

  You know, the best way is for people to just.

• 52:01Speaker 03

  Get involved, start retweeting. You know, the other thing is if you can't give money, you can give kindness. You know, I posted something yesterday. I feel pretty strongly about this. When we look at a homeless person, often sometimes we can say, oh, you know, that person needs booze or crack or. You know, drugs or those kinds of things. And that makes us feel good in the moment to be able to judge that person. Or we look at them and we just put our head down and we're, you know, pretend that they're not there and we just do that. When we do that, we actually harden our heart. And when we harden our heart, it feels good momentarily. But what happens is that builds up and piles up and makes us unhappy.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  And so what I say in terms of Twitter philanthropy is that, you know, even if you can't give money, you can give kindness. And I keep saying this thing about like, and I don't mean to make it simple, but I believe it is simple, which is. If you give, you receive. And so if you smile at the homeless person as opposed to, you know, any other thing you can think about.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  You're going to receive and you're going to be happier. And I was stopped in the airport on, on the way today. Guy tapped me on the shoulder, you know, and this is happening a lot now too. This is how you know the power of the movement. And he's saying, you know, you've absolutely, you know, you've actually changed my life. I said, no, you've actually changed my life. And he says, you know, we are giving and he goes, and he goes, we're just being kind, you know, and that's. That I think is more beautiful than the money. I mean, yes, the money is good because you're able to go and get the guy new dentures and those kinds of things. But to me, the kindness and the fundamental lifestyle changing is what's most interesting.

• 53:35Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, there's science to back this up, right?

• 53:37Speaker 03

  I need to look into that, by the way, more. I mean, I know that, but you know, I need to, you know, I gotta be careful what I put because it's gotta be, you know,

• 53:44Anthony Pompliano?

  I'll give you two, two starting points at least, right? The first is, there's a study that was done, we'll try to put it in the show notes, that basically, when somebody wakes up every day, if they read three positive headlines, and at the end of the day, they are asked, did you have a good day or not? It is a material percentage change that they are likely to say, yes, I had a good day, versus if they wake up and they read three negative headlines.

• 54:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:11Anthony Pompliano?

  So just being exposed to positive versus negative information, at the end of the day, hours later.

• 54:15Speaker 03

  This politics will make you go crazy. I mean, you know, and Twitter and politics will make you go crazy.

• 54:22Anthony Pompliano?

  Absolutely.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  And I think that's part of the thing, is I've filled the void for people not having to look at negative crap all day long.

• 54:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Mm hmm, for sure.

• 54:29Speaker 03

  And they want to interact with each other because it's positive stuff that they're, that they're able to interact with and get to know people. Not just look at, you know, CNN or Fox News saying this or that, you know?

• 54:39Anthony Pompliano?

  The world is ending.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  Something like that.

• 54:41Anthony Pompliano?

  The second study is around smiling, right? So there's a bunch of research into, one of the ways that you can control your mentality and kind of your own mental state is when you wake up in the morning, or if you're going through a bad, you know, time at work or whatever, stopping and just smiling for, I think it's like 10 or 30 seconds. They've shown can actually change the chemistry in your brain and take you from having a bad day to

• 55:10Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 55:11Anthony Pompliano?

  something that's more positive.

• 55:12Speaker 03

  I believe it.

• 55:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. Well, and it goes to your point about just seeing people giving, right? Being, participating in that and exposing yourself to the positivity, I think is, it has benefits that aren't just around, hey, I gave money to somebody.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:27Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? It can actually improve your life, or as you say, when you give, you get.

• 55:30Speaker 03

  You do.

• 55:31Anthony Pompliano?

  Right?

• 55:31Speaker 03

  It's the best kept secret, you know? I mean, you know, we're here on Wall Street, and tell you, most of my friends on Wall Street, some of whom are meeting today, you know, they're most impressed with what's going on here.

• 55:42Anthony Pompliano?

  Mm hmm.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Because, you know, they're also human beings, and, you know. Money and having money and being rich, these things in many ways make life a lot easier. But if you're not careful, it can hurt you. For sure. Who's been the most inspiring person to you? Probably my mom and my grandfather. Why each of those? Well, I think I got my more compassionate side from my mom. My mom's an amazing person and I love her dearly. And my grandfather, because he taught me how to think. He was a tough German though. So he was awfully tough. But my mom gave me my compassionate side. My dad and my grandfather, both of them, gave me the business side.

• 56:27Speaker 03

  My grandfather really taught me how to think. Yeah, that's awesome. Differently. What's the highest point in your life and the lowest point in your life? Ah, that's a great question. Probably the lowest was when my parents got divorced when I was 12. That was very difficult, you know, seeing your dad leave the home and whatnot. And then I had to look after my mom and my sister. The highest point I would say is probably what I'm doing now. I mean, I've had some great experiences, you know, the first million dollars that I made was big. The first $30 million I made was big. But this is more rewarding than anything I've ever done. I mean, yes, it's with one tweet, but I worked my butt off to even get it to this size.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  I mean, I know it seems, you know, easy to give away money, but you know, some really good content that we're also producing here. I mean, we're making sure that we connect humans using technology. You know, people have never used audio and video before to do these type of needs. Some people said, and it's so funny because it's all the people who either don't get the money or it's people who already have teeth, aren't dying of cancer or whatever. They say, "Oh, well, how dare you embarrass so and so and so and so." And automatically my teammates jump on this person and say, "Hey, look, you know, if you didn't have teeth, you sure as hell would make a video because you know that that's the way to get other people to, you know, instantly, you know, understand where you're coming from." It's humanizing, right? It's humanizing the problem and really showing that there's real people who have real issues and...

• 57:54Speaker 03

  We all have issues. We're all suffering. Every human being, every human being in this room is suffering with something, right? All humans are suffering and some suffer more than others. And, you know, what this is doing is getting people back to, you know... Feeling that suffering for somebody else. It goes back to the homeless man. You know, we can intellectually think, oh, I gotta turn that person off. Or we can commit our heart to them. I mean, it doesn't mean that we need to, you know, go and buy them stuff or whatever, but why can't we smile at the homeless person? You'll be a lot happier. Where's this, where's our world come to? We don't even talk about this stuff anymore.

• 58:31Anthony Pompliano?

  It's pretty crazy. One of the topics that was

• 58:35Speaker 03

  I mean, I put out a tweet over the weekend that I'd give 10 grand for a veteran who is missing. And, you know, that is great, but you know, that's the kind of stuff that it takes. I mean, we're trying to get the media, and many of my teammates say, don't even worry about the media, but I love the media because, you know, I'm a journalist at heart. But, you know, we're trying to get the media to start spreading some good news. And I actually think a lot of the media will spread good news. I mean, the journalists, I've really seen a lot from journalists willing to spread good news.

• 59:08Anthony Pompliano?

  You're gonna love this. I'm gonna send you the, uh, the studies on this. Positive news actually goes more viral than negative news.

• 59:15Speaker 03

  Is that right?

• 59:15Anthony Pompliano?

  So a lot of people think, you know, hey, they chase headlines and ambulances and it's kind of the doom and gloom is what they put. Uh, but there's a number of studies, uh, that, that show, whether it's on Facebook or Twitter, etc. Uh, positive news actually spreads faster, uh, and more virally than the negative stuff. Yeah. Um, the poverty cycle. Lots of people were asking about, uh, this idea that, um, and it goes back to some of the blight stuff and, and, and, um, I think just the environment that people get put into, uh, when they're born. Breaking the poverty cycle, uh, can be a inflection point, not just for the one person who, uh, is the person who kind of breaks out, but it can actually pull entire families out of the poverty cycle.

• 59:56Anthony Pompliano?

  Uh, maybe talk a little bit about how you think, um, you know, various things you're doing or others are doing can, can really help to, uh, to break that poverty cycle.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  Well, we have, you know, social security, we have, uh, Medicaid, we have different government programs to support individuals. Uh, we have food stamps, we have various forms of welfare. One of the things about what we're doing in terms of, I don't even know if you'd call it crowdfunding, but I call it more Team giving, a team donating is really getting people who are able to help people out of poverty and very quickly. So for example, like, you know, homeless family, getting them a home, right? That's a big deal. Getting somebody who doesn't have a car, getting them a car. So I think that what we're doing can help solve many aspects of poverty, you know? As I understand it, and I need to go back and study more of it, I've studied enough

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  to be dangerous, but, you know, back in the day, before all these programs, you know, the communities took care of each other, communities took care of people. And that's really what we're trying to get back to here. We're not, we're not waiting for government to come and help, or just getting it done.

• 1:01:01Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. How do you think about the difference between giving money versus education or other non-monetary things that could be beneficial?

• 1:01:09Speaker 03

  Well, I think everything, anything that you can give is impactful. I think, you know, in terms of our specific cause, you know, in terms of our specific thing, in terms of scaling it and helping the lady with cancer, for instance, she's dying with four months left to live, she just needs groceries and rent because she's out of work, right? So there's definitely a need for education, for other things, but that's kind of where our focus is right now.

• 1:01:36Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. Now, there's a number of questions about managing your time. Obviously, if you are running businesses, right, you've got the inner-city blight project going on, and then you are quickly building this massive audience of teammates on Twitter, how do you manage it all?

• 1:01:53Speaker 03

  You just do it. And, and when you focus on other people and you love what you do, you get out of bed in the morning. I mean, I've always liked getting out of bed and, you know, knock on wood, I've always loved what I did, but, and I'm serious, like, and I know you're, in your career, you know, making money and stuff, but, and I'm not saying this because I don't need your, you know, five dollars, twenty dollars, or whatever, but you will find that if you do donate to these causes, and I'm, and I'm not making any advice to anybody, this is my own opinion about how I would feel, you feel better. I feel better when, when, when I'm actually helping people. And so, you know, you don't think about... Oh, I need to wake up earlier. Or, oh, I need to catch a flight to New York to come talk to Pomp and go on Fox News, which I'm doing in a little bit. I don't even think about that

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  kind of stuff. I'm excited about going to do it. And, and so that's why.

• 1:02:43Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah. What's a normal day look like for you?

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Wake up at 4:00 a.m.

• 1:02:48Anthony Pompliano?

  Why 4:00?

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  I just, I think that I've always woken up early, but recently with this, I don't know why, I just have. And I think, you know, I do almost a form of meditation, almost a form of prayer. You know, we could get into mindset another day, maybe, but, you know, I have a certain thought process in terms of thoughts and how to think creatively and differently. And I find that when I'm with myself for about an hour every morning, you know, I forget who said it, but he said something like, you know, all of man's problems arise because he can't be in a room by himself for 30 minutes.

• 1:03:22Anthony Pompliano?

  It's very true.

• 1:03:24Speaker 03

  And, you know, I can be in a room with myself for an hour, hour and a half, and the time just goes by so quick. And that's really where I'm planning out the day and thinking about things.

• 1:03:35Anthony Pompliano?

  So, okay, wake up at 4:00, and then what do you do once you kind of get, get the day going after that time?

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  Shower.

• 1:03:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Alright, that confirmed. Bill Bulte does shower.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  And then, and then I head in. But, you know, what happens is, if I get an idea there, because often, and, you know, we all have our form of meditation or prayer, you know, a lot of people, when they're driving, or when they're doing one of their favorite hobbies, we all know what that feeling's like, showering, you know, a lot of people get great ideas. We all have our own thing. But if I get an idea, then, you know, I'll go and do it. The other thing is, you just can't plan for many of these crises, like the girl who gets bitten, or gets eaten by these dogs in Detroit, nine-year-old girl on her bike, you know, I didn't know that was gonna happen. Or this, this veteran who, you know, hopefully didn't hurt himself in Arizona, struggling with PTSD, you know, so, so things like that just pop up, or I'll see it overnight. And I read a lot of what's going on in my Twitter feed.

• 1:04:28Anthony Pompliano?

  Yeah, it's, um...

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  I purposely reject Twitter, though. And I tell my teammates this, too, and they're like, wow, I didn't know anybody would ever say that. I say, you gotta reject Twitter. This thing will, like, infect you. Like, and I'm not giving any advice, but, you know, you've got it, you've got to set boundaries with this thing. And so, I try to do that at night, and I try to do that in the morning.

• 1:04:46Anthony Pompliano?

  I'm laughing because as you get a bigger and bigger audience, it sucks you in, right? And what you do is it's self fulfilling because the largest, most engaged audiences are there because they know that the person who's running the account is there, right? And so when they tweet, somebody's responding, right? And they're engaging and they're creating a lot of content and just all these elements of building a really strong, large, engaged community tend to wear on the person who's running the account. And so the advice around, you know, what you do for yourself of, hey, I gotta put this thing down, kind of will make it more sustainable over a long period of time.

• 1:05:30Anthony Pompliano?

  How, how do you want to be remembered?

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Don't know. Don't really care.

• 1:05:37Speaker 03

  One of the things that I realized when I made money was that

• 1:05:43Speaker 03

  a lot of our problems come from overabundance or from conditionings that we have. So for example, like, oh, you know, this drink's too cold or, oh, it's too warm in here or all these other things. So I try to live, I try to die every day. I try to basically say that, you know, if I died today and I helped these three people, this lady with cancer or whatever, and then also interacting with them makes, helps it easier to die every day. When you do this positive, you know, news, I won't even call it news, but and you hear this lady who says she's got four months left to live. So that's, I don't really know. I don't, I don't know if I really care. I just want to live as good of a life as I can.

• 1:06:27Anthony Pompliano?

  I love it. One of the people asked, how do you make giving much more cultural among the wealthy, right? In terms of, there's a lot of people with a lot of resources and they could give and some people do and they do a great job of it. But how do you increase kind of the cultural expectation or buy-in among those with the greatest resources to help everyone else?

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  What we're doing right now, I mean, and what I'm doing, you know, I went out there and, you know, said I'm giving away all this money and I'll tell you, I mean, I've, you know, I've been on the board of a Fortune 500 company. I'm the youngest director in the Fortune 500. I've been in the biggest business meetings. I've made a lot of money, all these other things. All people want to talk about right now is giving and Twitter philanthropy. It's crazy. They don't want to talk about the housing market, or my companies are lending me more money, or all these things. I mean, I went to a Cubs game with some of these top bankers and private equity guys the other night. All they wanted to talk about was Twitter philanthropy. So, I just think it's, we just gotta keep doing it. We just gotta keep giving kindness, keep being generous. And hopefully it'll pick up. I mean, we got Mike Lindell, there's, there's half a dozen other quote unquote, rich guys now doing it

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  on Twitter.

• 1:07:34Anthony Pompliano?

  Is there, is there anyone who you would love to get involved that isn't yet involved?

• 1:07:39Speaker 03

  I'd love to get Gates and

• 1:07:41Anthony Pompliano?

  Bill Gates?

• 1:07:42Speaker 03

  Bezos and Buffett. That would be kind of my dream scenario. And I'm working on that. So that's all I can say, but

• 1:07:49Anthony Pompliano?

  If we can get them to give out some help on Twitter?

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I mean, these guys are smart guys, but they're also of a different generation than you and me. And I think your generation, and our generation, and the generation below us, like, we know what it's like to be on Instagram and Snapchat and Twitter and, you know.

• 1:08:06Anthony Pompliano?

  Buffett doesn't even use email. So to get them on Twitter would be a big step.

• 1:08:10Speaker 03

  Yeah. So, all in due time. Honestly, wherever, wherever this goes, I'm fine with it.

• 1:08:17Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. Speaking of that, where do you think it is, six months from now and five years from now?

• 1:08:22Speaker 03

  Well, in a year, I'd like to have a million followers. You know, when I say followers, I mean teammates. I don't really want to have them if they're not engaged. Right now, I have a very engaged teammate base. I mean, the guy this morning, he didn't even say, "Oh, are you Bill Pulte, blah, blah, blah?" He said, the first thing out of his mouth was, "Are you Bill Pulte?" I said, "Yes." And he says, "I'm a teammate." As long as we can keep that going and growing, I'd love to have, you know, more than a million. That's where I'd like it to be in a year.

• 1:08:49Anthony Pompliano?

  It, it's, it's pretty incredible to see, there's a lot of large accounts that there's, the aggregate number's big, the engagement's not there.

• 1:08:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I get more engagement than people who have several million followers.

• 1:09:03Anthony Pompliano?

  I, I saw a tweet the other day, you tweeted it 12 minutes, right, after, before I'd seen it. And it already had over 12.5,000 favorites, which is literally a thousand favorites per minute.

• 1:09:18Speaker 03

  That's a lot.

• 1:09:19Anthony Pompliano?

  Incredible engagement, right? Because again, it goes, the thing that I think about on Twitter is the engagement is nice, but that is a proxy for increasing the impressions, right? And so when you're able to increase the amount of the impressions, there's a huge benefit to it.

• 1:09:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm just getting, I'm giving a behind the scenes today to all my, all my people. So here and at Fox, this is a pomp and we're doing a podcast. So inside of the room.

• 1:09:46Anthony Pompliano?

  Bill just whipped out his phone and started a video, which makes him more of a journalist than he lets on.

• 1:09:51Speaker 03

  No, it makes me, it makes me engaged. I mean, that's, that's what it's all about. See, I don't even think about these constructs. I'm, I'm doing this just viscerally and based on instinct. Like you said earlier, I don't know if we were on air or not, but I, I just get these ideas, like the idea about the helicopter and taking that to JFK today. Like I actually thought about that. And like, why not share it with people?

• 1:10:13Anthony Pompliano?

  Well, it's, um, at the end of the day, people want authenticity, right? And they want to see the, uh, the good times, the bad times, the times where you need help, the times where, uh, you overcome an obstacle. Like there's an element of, uh, entertainment, uh, around the story, right? And if people, um, only see the good pieces, I think that that's where the jealousy and the envy and a lot of that stuff sets in. When there's humanized stories and there's much more authenticity, I think people are very, very attracted to that because it's so rare today.

• 1:10:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:10:50Anthony Pompliano?

  Right? How, um,

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  And each of the stories that we work on are people at their most vulnerable points.

• 1:10:55Anthony Pompliano?

  Absolutely.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  So, and together we get bonded over that, you know, just, I think that's innate in humans.

• 1:11:02Anthony Pompliano?

  For sure. Um, before we wrap up, how can people help? Where, where do you send them?

• 1:11:08Speaker 03

  Follow the feed, retweet, get to know other teammates. I mean, you know, they can be a support network. I've had many people who are, you know, depressed, you know, think contemplating suicide. If you do, if you're thinking about that, please call the hotline and those type of things. But, you know, we have a great support network. We would love to help you. The teammates would love to help you and just, just follow and retweet. If you can give money, great. I mean, that's amazing. So.

• 1:11:32Anthony Pompliano?

  Absolutely. Well, listen, sir, you're doing work that I think a lot of people probably look at and they say, hey, that's pretty easy, right? You just give away money, do all this. I know from experience how it can wear on you to have such a large audience and feel like there's so many people there and you kind of have to They're depending on you. Try to talk to them and do all this. And then I think that there's an added element of you're dealing on a daily basis with people in crisis. Yeah, that's the tough thing. You go from something terrible to something good. Absolutely. Well, from all of those people and from me, just thank you. I think what you're doing is pretty incredible and it's inspiring to people, right? And obviously,

• 1:12:16Anthony Pompliano?

  we're seeing that in just the community growth, but also my guess is that there's a lot of people who do positive, generous, kind things on a daily basis offline that you and I will never see or know about. That's for sure. But it's a positive impact on the world. So just from everybody else, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for having us. For sure. And then thank you so much for coming on and doing this. And we'll have to do it again. When you hit a million followers, we're going to bring you back. It sounds good. And do it again. All right. Look forward to it.

• 1:12:44Anthony Pompliano?

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