Jocko Underground: The Challenges In Life Can Be Hard. Very Hard. How To Strategize.

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  This is the Jocko Underground Podcast number 169. Sitting here with Echo Charles, looking to provide some options, some courses of actions, and some answers for troopers out there with questions.

• 0:16Speaker 01

  Life's obstacles.

• 0:18Jocko Willink?

  They come.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  All right, first question, Jocko, I'm looking for advice on how to cope with the challenges of having a child with special needs. My wife and I have three kids. The oldest, 12, has special needs that will require a lifetime of care. Our reality is different from most, and I accept that. But I'm having a hard time with the long, challenging days that for us will likely never end. There is no finish line. I carry the additional burden of ensuring there is enough money for the child when my wife and I are gone. I've taken the necessary steps to make sure this happens, but maintaining this pace is hard. I've always welcomed hard work. I've excelled at work, gone back to grad school twice, done an Ironman, an ultra marathon,

• 1:04Speaker 01

  a competitive jujitsu athlete, recently got my black belt last year. I lift three to four days a week, nine years in Muay Thai, and the list goes on. I know I'm mentally tough, but these long days turn into long months and just don't end. As a friend of ours see their, as, sorry, as friends of ours see their kids getting older and life becoming easier, they are able to go on vacation, go to dinner, golf, go to concerts, etc. We don't have great help with our oldest. One of us needs to be home near full time, so we haven't had a vacation in 10 years. Very few dinners out, and I try to tell myself I'm fine. I'm built for this. What would, what would break others is a normal day for me.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  And although this is true, I find days or weeks where things feel bleak and I'm not sure how to power through. I need to be strong for my wife and kids and continue excelling at work to provide for my family, so my wife can stay home with our daughter, but with every passing year it gets tougher. If you have any advice on how to continue to thrive while knowing there is no end in sight, I'd appreciate it.

• 2:15Jocko Willink?

  So

• 2:18Jocko Willink?

  one thing I think is the way that you are framing this. You say that there's no end inside, no finish line and

• 2:30Jocko Willink?

  while that's accurate from one perspective, I think you can actually make one. And so to me, I think the goal you have to set up is a manageable situation in the future.

• 2:53Jocko Willink?

  Where you can get some level of support. And help, meaning that in the future, you've got to figure out a way to set up a situation. Where you will have more flexibility. In your life and your wife's life. And I think, you know, just as an example, what that means is I think at some point you're gonna need to hire someone to help you.

• 3:18Jocko Willink?

  And right now, and that doesn't mean that in the future that you're gonna you know, not be around for your child. You're always going to be responsible for that. You're always going to be responsible for caring for your child.

• 3:36Jocko Willink?

  But I think coming up with a plan that creates some level of separation. For your special needs daughter, I think that that's not only okay, I think it's actually necessary.

• 3:56Jocko Willink?

  I have a friend that is in the exact same situation that you are. Um, he has a child who will always need to be cared for. For for their entire life.

• 4:12Jocko Willink?

  And the way he's setting up his situation. Is, you know, his plan is to set up a separate living quarters for his special needs child. You know, attached to his house, but like there is a, an element of separation. And he's

• 4:37Jocko Willink?

  Getting himself set financially to be able to afford a decent amount of care

• 4:47Jocko Willink?

  in, you know, at, at the location. Um. During now and then in the future permanently, obviously after the parents die or after he, he and his wife die.

• 5:00Jocko Willink?

  So that's the long-term plan. So you, you, I think you need to come up with that strategic goal that you are going to set something up where you have a decent amount of permanent help to help you care for your daughter. And I think you, I think it would be healthy for you and her. And I, again, I don't know anything about her situation. But I mean, even, even the fact that you indicate that at 12 years old, one of you needs to be home near full time, which means that even right now at age 12, you don't need to be home full, full time, right? So that I don't know if that means you can leave for half an hour to go to the store and she's okay. But that is something. And maybe that can grow over time.

• 5:46Jocko Willink?

  But my buddy is planning financially for the, for a, a semi separate quarters where there can be some level of separation. And and then people in the future that can help permanently and people currently that you can find that can help you part-time.

• 6:10Jocko Willink?

  Meaning giving you some time to go out on a date with your wife, which you need to do. And by the way, you know, I just, I just was talking to, um, some construction people and the construction people sometimes like overwhelmed with stress, jobs really hard. And how, you know, how do we deal with someone when someone is like breaking down and burnt out? And it's like, well, you gotta pull them off the line and you gotta give them, you gotta give them a break. And of course everyone's reaction is like, well, I can't pull someone off the line. Here's the thing. If you pull someone off the line and you give them a legitimate break when they are burnt out. They, when they come back, you know, you give them half day on Friday. Hey dude, take the afternoon off.

• 6:55Jocko Willink?

  I'll cover for you or whatever. We'll, we'll hold off on that job. We'll, we'll, hey, work hard this morning. We're gonna get you out here by lunch or don't come in on Monday. Whatever that little extra break that you give them, they are recharged.

• 7:08Jocko Willink?

  They are recharged, just like freaking doing, you know, you go, you bench pressed a failure, take a break, take a rest, you can do more. You can't keep going. You can do zero more, but if you get the weight off your chest and now you go, okay, I'm gonna rest for three minutes, you can do more. Your performance will go up. So the same thing happens with construction workers, with finance, with anybody, with combat, it happens. So as a dad and a mom, you taking a break to go out for dinner and yes, hopefully. You find, you, you get some people where you have like a bench of people that can actually care for your daughter.

• 7:49Jocko Willink?

  And you can go away for a weekend or you can go and spend a night in a hotel and wine and dine your wife. And your daughter will be taken care of and introduced by, to someone new and get, you know, interact with a different type of hu- human than you are and learn to cope a little bit better on her own. And like all these things are going to be positive.

• 8:10Jocko Willink?

  And that's what I, I think you need to do. You probably have some level of guilt that you are, uh, you know, I need to be there all the time. Me and my wife need to be there all the time. I don't think you need to feel that. I really don't. And it's the same with any kid. It's the same thing with any kid. You know, you can feel like I need to be there. I need to be there. I need to be there. You're inhibiting the kid. And in this case, you're not only inhibiting the kid, you're inhibiting yourself as a parent, as a human, as a mom, as a dad. Because you are gonna get burnt out. And what, what I'm reading here, dude, you're a stud, but this is, you're writing this question because you're starting to feel.

• 8:56Jocko Willink?

  A, a slow burn of burnout. That's what this is. You need to recharge your batteries, just like happens to guys in combat. You need to figure out a way to take a break. And.

• 9:14Jocko Willink?

  Come up with a long-term plan of how this can be a life that you can contend with. You know, we were just talking on the last podcast with Cappy and the way that the Ukrainian soldiers are now been in combat for three years, but they're getting time off the line.

• 9:31Jocko Willink?

  Unlike World War I, where you see guys broken mentally from that. Well, what's happening right now horrific fighting in trenches, but they're doing it for eight days at a stretch. They're doing it for four days at a stretch and then they're getting relief. So you've been going at this for 12 straight years. This is very difficult to sustain. It might even be unsustainable. You know, I think you could sustain it because you're a stud, but it's not optimal. You won't be an optimal dad. By the way, you've got two other kids. You won't be an optimal dad for them. You won't be an optimal husband. So you've got to figure out a way to get some breaks.

• 10:13Jocko Willink?

  And you know, some of that will come when your younger kids get a little bit older, they can babysit and all that stuff. They can take care of their older sister. But you gotta, that's stuff you gotta figure out. So you're working hard. You gotta make some money. Obviously you gotta save money. You gotta be very disciplined with your finances now. So that you can get yourself some relief in the future. This is all about sacrifice now for a better situation in the future. And

• 10:45Jocko Willink?

  look, you clearly you're a strong person.

• 10:50Jocko Willink?

  You can't just be strong. You can't just be tough.

• 10:55Jocko Willink?

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• 11:40Jocko Willink?

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• 12:07Jocko Willink?

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