Zelensky’s Press Secretary Reveals All: Cocaine, Cover-ups, and the Only Obstacle Preventing Peace

Corruption, drugs and greed: Volodymyr Zelensky’s longtime press secretary on the secret world of the West’s favorite dictator. (00:00) How Did Mendel Begin Working for Zelensky? (36:44) Who Does Zelensky Actually Listen To? (50:17) Why Hasn’t Western Media Spoken up for Ukrainians? (1:09:16) Does Zelensky Do Coke? (1:13:04) What’s Zelensky’s Wife Like? Ex-Spokesperson for President Zelenskyy | Insider scoops from Kyiv’s frontlines Writing a bold new exposé on the real story behind the scenes. Byline: NYT, Politico, WaPo. X: @IuliiaMendel IG: @iuliia_mendel Paid partnerships with: Good Ranchers: Start your plan today and you'll get FREE meat included with every order PLUS $100 off your first three orders. Use code TUCKER at https://go.goodranchers.com/tucker American Financing: NMLS 182334, nmlsconsumeraccess.org. APR for rates in the 5s start at 6.327% for well qualified borrowers. Call 800-685-5696 for details about credit costs and terms. Visit http://www. AmericanFinancing.net/Tucker. Last Country Supply: No one knows what will happen next. Make sure you’re prepared at https://lastcountrysupply.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:34Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you for doing this. I'm amazed. I never thought I would speak to anyone around Zelensky. And I knew you're doing this at some great risks yourself. So, thank you very much. So, you were President Zelensky's press secretary?

• 0:48Speaker 02

  Yes, first of all, thank you for having me. And I never expected to see myself here talking about my former boss, Volodymyr Zelensky. I used to work for him for two years, since 2019 till 2021.

• 1:02Tucker Carlson?

  How did you wind up working for him?

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Well, Volodymyr Zelensky announced the job via Facebook, and everybody started applying. And I didn't want to apply first because I thought he would take someone, you know, napolitically. But there was an open application, and I won through 4,000 of applicants. It's not a joke. And then, actually, I need to prove myself that I can do a job and that he can trust me. But, yeah, we found the common ground. And I think I was very faithful towards him, you know?

• 1:37Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  And I supported him. And I supported him in 2022, when Russia made its large-scale invasion. As millions of Ukrainians, I was grateful that he stayed in the country.

• 1:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:52Speaker 02

  That's why it's so, so strange and desperate for me to be here and to talk who he really is. I don't have personal vendetta, but I believe that he is one of the biggest obstacles towards peace today. So, I wanted to tell the people who he is.

• 2:09Tucker Carlson?

  Who is he?

• 2:12Speaker 02

  First of all, he's not a person whom you see on camera. He's a very different person. He changes masks all the time. He is emotionally uncontrollable.

• 2:25Tucker Carlson?

  Emotionally uncontrollable?

• 2:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, he doesn't control his emotions. He's often hysterical and he thinks that every person is disposable. He doesn't have empathy, that he plays. He's absolutely insanely great actor and that brought us a lot of support in 2022. But his acting doesn't have any substance and everything that he is saying, it's so detached from the reality. And majority of the things that he's saying, it's either manipulation or it's a fact that is being taken from the context or it's pure lies. And millions of people still believe that supporting Zelensky means supporting Ukraine. But today it's different.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  And Tucker, I would like to say, I'm not here to justify Russian invasion. I'm not here to justify Putin. What Russian army is doing in Ukraine equals crimes against humanity.

• 3:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 3:22Speaker 02

  But this war is not black and white anymore. It's dark and even darker. We just see Putin as an evil, but Zelensky is also an evil. He's just a hidden one. He plays such a teddy bear, you know, on camera. But then when the light goes off, he's a grizzly bear and he destroys the people. It's almost surreal to recollect that almost every Western leader and Western delegations that were coming to Ukraine before the war, they treated Zelensky as a political novice. They saw he was low educated, unqualified and low depths. But then overnight, he just turned into this great face of democracy.

• 4:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 4:02Speaker 02

  But it feels like the West created the myth, fell into it and, you know, doesn't see, doesn't... That the West keeps ignoring the fact that this beneath that Zelensky's rhetoric, heroic rhetoric, he keeps accumulating power. And I'm not afraid to say, he keeps hollowing the very same people he claims to save.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  It's pretty strong to say, I know that. But I believe that, you know, people need to understand that if you want to support Ukraine, the only way to support Ukraine today is to push for the peace deal. This is the only way that Ukraine can survive, because I believe we are on the verge of extinction. Somebody is talking about two, three years of war anymore. It just like doesn't come up with numbers, with demography, with anything, with all those suffering that's happening in the country.

• 5:00Tucker Carlson?

  Tell me, no, no, thank you, thank you for saying that, I agree, I'm not Ukrainian. But I don't understand the point of this. I mean, I have many questions about how and why it started, but what's beyond question is Ukraine as a nation is being eliminated. That's obvious to me, biggest country in Europe, so it's a big deal. What are, since you mentioned numbers, what, how many people live in Ukraine? So when you started working for Zelensky, you worked for the government of Ukraine, 2019, how many Ukrainians were there in Ukraine?

• 5:29Speaker 02

  So officially, Ukraine is the country of forty, forty-two million people. But we had the last census, I think in 2000 or 2001, and we did not manage to organize another one. So when I was working for the government, government officials, including Zelensky, were telling the numbers that they believed there are thirty-four, thirty-seven millions of Ukrainians in the country. Now, with around ten or plus, ten-plus million of Ukrainians turning into refugees, going to the West, some stay in occupation, you know, Eastern countries, and even some in Russia, perhaps there are around twenty-five million Ukrainians in the country.

• 6:09Speaker 02

  And the worst thing is that eleven million of them are retired people. And these retired people live for the pensions from seventy-five to one-hundred-eighty to a hundred dollars per month. And Ukraine is not that super cheap country where you can actually survive for this money. Just two weeks or three weeks ago, there was a terrible story. When one director, movie director of Ukraine, who was a retired person, died at his home, and his neighbor wrote that he died from hunger and cold. There were these severe temperatures in Ukraine, and he didn't have anyone to help him. I just like wonder if ever we will know the statistics, how many people died

• 6:54Speaker 02

  from this cold and from having no opportunities to survive.

• 6:58Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, so you're saying that the Ukraine right now has maybe fifteen million, maybe fewer, working people, working, people actually who are, who are working in the entire country?

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Well, you don't count children. Children are not working, right? So I don't know how many children under eighteen are there. But perhaps if we have around ten million of working people, that would be fine.

• 7:22Tucker Carlson?

  Wow, that's amazing.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 7:24Tucker Carlson?

  How many have died in the war, do you know?

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Uh, the numbers are very different, and it's very difficult to count. Right now, the official UN verified statistics is around fifteen thousand of civilians. Uh, the numbers of, uh, of, of those who turned into military are not known. So, uh, it's very hard to know, but only in Mariupol, it is known that there are rapes for around twenty thousand of Ukrainians. So I guess the right least hundreds of thousands of those who died, and we will just never know the, the, the, the numbers. I'm sorry, it's so painful to talk about.

• 7:58Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's absolutely awful, but I'm wondering why, well, my government, which has funded a lot of this, uh, war, why we can't get a straight answer from the US government, from the Ukrainian government, the Russian government, I mean, no one seems to have an interest in finding out the real number of dead.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  Yes, well, it's very difficult to do, because how do you do this in occupation, right? There is no any, any relation with that side that would allow to, to learn this information. And the other side, which is Russian side, obviously is interested in hiding the numbers, right? I don't believe in verified numbers, and obviously, look, uh, many people who are military now, they used to be just ordinary civilians, right? Engineers, IT guys, journalists, working their everyday life, and then they turned into military. So of course, they are soldiers, but they're also people, right? And they are dying. Um, and there are a lot of these things I've heard from the front lines when a person was killed

• 8:57Speaker 02

  and the body is brought and he has a bullet in his head and uh, the government officials, you know, local officials just don't want to put him as a dad from the front line. So they say he died from a heart attack, for instance. Yeah, it's war and I think it was happening in every war. Yes. It's just like, I think we will never know the true number, but there are so many people who are suffering there. And, you know, I told you this terrible story about retired people and that they live for such absolutely outrageously, you know, low, low pensions. Just when I talk about Zelensky, I'm an insider.

• 9:39Speaker 02

  I talked to so many people who used to work for him, or even those people who work for him.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  And to be, just, you know, to be clear, I believe that he stands behind many schemes of money laundering. And one of the stories is that I have a friend who was shortlisted for the position of the Ministry of Social Policies during the large-scale invasion. And he was called and he said that he was one of five candidates. And he would be interviewed by Zelensky and Mr. Yermak, then Chief of Staff of President Zelensky. And he was told that during the interview, he would need to come up with the schemes of money laundering so that they are financed from the Ministry of Social Policy. And Ministry of Social Policy is the ministry that is responsible for pensions.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  So when we're talking about those poor pensioners, you know, and knowing the fact that Zelensky himself approves the schemes of money laundering, I mean, is he guilty? I want your audience to respond to that, okay? Do you understand the despoty of mine?

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• 13:50Tucker Carlson?

  I think most people watching assume that Ukraine is corrupt and has been for a long time, and that the Zelensky regime is especially corrupt. I think Americans believe that, but there's almost no evidence that has come out in the American press. The American media has not written very much about his corruption. Why do you think that is?

• 14:09Speaker 02

  You know, I saw good pieces about corruption, but you're right that there are not too many of them. It's very hard, first of all, to prove it, but I think there was also some kind of agreement, not official one, right? An official agreement that we all need to support Zelensky because this means to support Ukraine. We're all united, you know, to support Ukraine, but Zelensky abused this unity. He abused our belief in democracy. He abused our fight. He abused our sacrifice, Ukrainian sacrifice, and what the Europeans and Americans were doing for us. He abused, actually, the trust of so many people.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  I believe that, you know, millions who still support Zelensky, they were, you know, looking for some great guy in politics. They wanted to believe that there is someone, you know, Churchill or whatever, a historic guy, who would really do something good for the people. And Zelensky is an amazing actor. He's gonna give you what you want. And that's what's happening. He still plays on camera this great guy, but believe me, behind the camera, he's very different.

• 15:26Speaker 02

  I was working for two years. For two years, this guy was repeating two phrases, which are very vocal about him. One of them, he was saying, "Ukraine is not ready for democracy." And this is a quote. Another quote was, "Diktatry is an order." So how on earth a person who believes that Ukraine is not ready for democracy and that dictatorship is an order actually can be the face of democracy?

• 15:57Tucker Carlson?

  Someone who's canceled elections, who's not actually elected president, I couldn't agree more. So what, um, in 2019, 2020, 2021, what was Zelensky saying about Russia?

• 16:11Speaker 02

  Zelensky came to the presidency as a president of peace.

• 16:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  During his electoral...

• 16:19Tucker Carlson?

  We've seen this before.

• 16:20Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. He's the guy who made himself in Russia. The first biggest money he made was in Russia, millions of dollars. He was working for Russian propaganda channels, and he was fine with that. Furthermore...

• 16:35Tucker Carlson?

  He was?

• 16:35Speaker 02

  Of course, he made all his career, tens of years. He was everywhere in Moscow. By the way, when the first Russian invasion in Donbass happened and Russia annexed Crimea, he was spending time in Russia. He was finishing his movie, for which he got a lot of money. And he even recognized this in August 2019, I think. He wrote, "Yes, I was in Russia. I was finishing the movie. It was 2014, the war was going on." Furthermore, I'm writing a book right now, and it's a different book. It's a book about real Zelensky. And I learned a lot of facts and talked to a lot of people. And this information was nowhere, but it happened that he had several properties in Crimea.

• 17:20Speaker 02

  And when the war was happening in Donbass already, he was spending time in Crimea, having weed with, uh...

• 17:30Speaker 02

  I mean marijuana with his friends from ninety fifth quartile and making facilities there and enjoying time and he didn't care that Russia annexed Crimea.

• 17:41Tucker Carlson?

  While it was Russian controlled?

• 17:42Speaker 02

  Yes, it was under Russian control.

• 17:44Tucker Carlson?

  He was vacationing in Russian controlled Crimea?

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Yes, it was May twenty fourteen. I talked to a person who was working for him, a person who was helping him put the windows into the house and a person was telling different details about how Zelensky was behaving. So everything that Zelensky is saying is really, is really very different truth, you know, very different truth.

• 18:09Tucker Carlson?

  So he was the peace candidate?

• 18:11Speaker 02

  He came promising that he would stand on his knees in front of Putin and beg Putin to stop. That's what he was promising. He was saying that Ukrainian and Russian languages are both languages that need to exist, that people speak both languages and, you know, it makes people stronger, that we need to be friends with Russia. He was saying all this stuff and that's why people voted for him. They didn't want war. Nobody wants war. There is nothing good in war. And now he totally adapted some nationalist ideology that is not natural for Ukrainians. And he really plays it well and.

• 18:56Tucker Carlson?

  What, what happened? How did, I mean, most people in the United States were not paying attention.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:03Tucker Carlson?

  And we sort of look up to the TV and there's Joe Biden's vice president Kamala Harris at the Munich Security Conference in January twenty twenty two with Zelensky saying, you need to join NATO. And he says, great. That's not the behavior of someone who wants to avoid war.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  You know, one thing is that he has been escalating the rhetoric. Another thing, you know, I was present at his meeting with Vladimir Putin in twenty nineteen in Paris. There were very few people near him who knew the truth. He had private conversation with Putin where he promised Putin that Ukraine will never join NATO. So his rhetoric-

• 19:40Tucker Carlson?

  In twenty nineteen?

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Yes, it was December twenty nineteen and there was a personal conversation. There were very few people know what he promised. He, he, he said no NATO because that Ukraine has never, you know, Ukraine has never was, was never close to, to NATO.

• 19:57Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 19:58Speaker 02

  For, for being the part of NATO, first of all, we need to have market economy and be reformed country. It's not like just Trump doesn't want Ukraine in NATO, Biden doesn't want Ukraine. It's not about li- names, it's just like we're not ready for NATO. There is no consensus to be NATO. It's, it's imagination, it's, it's lies. He stick to this fact of joining NATO, knowing that it's impossible. He was pushing the impossible agenda and making it a condition for peace. In October twenty twenty four, uh, he presented to the parliament victory plan. And he said that joining NATO is the most important thing. And long range missiles for Ukraine are the most important thing.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  And, and, you know, he made this the plan, victory plan. But it's ridiculous, it's impossible. And look how he uses it. He uses impossible things to justify his own agenda. And actually creating his hero image. For instance, remember after he left Donald Trump? He said, it's not so easy to get rid of me. He said this to the journalists. Um, if Ukraine is taken to NATO, I'm ready to step down. Knowing that Ukraine is not going to be taken to NATO. So it's very easy to promise something under the condition of impossible things.

• 21:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  Right? That's what he is doing. So this is one thing. Um.

• 21:26Tucker Carlson?

  What changed?

• 21:26Speaker 02

  The second thing, if I can-

• 21:28Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, of course.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  One of the most shocking moments for me personally, if I'm for communications team, in 2019, 2020 was, he was really scared that his ratings started dropping down. And he was sure that communications team was guilty in that.

• 21:49Tucker Carlson?

  He thought it was your fault?

• 21:50Speaker 02

  Not mine, but all communications people, but I was, you know, they're the part of the team. And he gathered us and he started saying that there are no positive news about what he is doing in the country. And my colleague started arguing with the president, very diplomatically, but she was saying, look, there are no so many positive things that are happening. You're promising something, but it doesn't happen. She was, of course, very diplomatic. She didn't say it like that, but that was the thought. And he said, it doesn't matter what's happening. Um, the most important thing, we need 1,000 of talking heads. And if 1,000 of talking heads tells positive things, then positive things are happening, that people believe that there are positive things.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  And she kept arguing and she brought a very good example. She said, there was a group of internally displaced people from Donbass, families who lost homes. And Zelensky promised them apartments. And we don't speak about thousands or hundreds. There were like 10 apartments or something like this. And nobody took care about that. So he promised, the families were waiting, nobody took care about that. So she said, if there are no those apartments, people will know that there are no apartments. It doesn't matter how many talking heads will say that there are apartments, right? And he said, no, if, if talking heads, thousand people tell you that this is happening, then this is happening. So she continued to argue and he became very irritated.

• 23:19Speaker 02

  And he put his hands like this, what he was doing. He leaned to the table. He looked at us and he said, very, in a very irritated tone. I need Goebbels propaganda, if you want. I need Goebbels propaganda. I need thousands of talking heads of Goebbels propaganda.

• 23:38Tucker Carlson?

  Meaning Joseph Goebbels, the Nazi propagandist?

• 23:40Speaker 02

  Yes, that was Major Hitler's propagandist. And we were like so shocked, we stopped breathing. But okay, the thing is that I believe what happened in 2022.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  He's got his thousands of talking heads globally, right? And many of us were not supposed to be his heads. We just, you know, we were standing for the country. We believed that he would stop the war soon. That, that, you know, we needed to be united. We believed in that. And four years later, Ukrainians don't believe in Zelensky's agenda anymore. But still, there are thousands of talking heads. And many of them just get paid for that, you know?

• 24:26Tucker Carlson?

  Who do they get paid by?

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Oh, uh, different stuff. For instance, if they are asked to the conferences for moderation or for writing positive message, it's called positive message about Ukraine. Uh, some oligarchs can pay or, you know, it goes from grants or something like this. In Ukraine, obviously, the experts get paid from uh, the structures that are close to the government, those the biggest patriots. Or, um, you know, grants from European Union, for instance. And, you know, I'm not saying that these people are bad. No, they are not. In many ways, they're just not aware of what's happening. They're calling, they're talking to each other or to some experts or to the government. They still believe in the legend that Zelensky has some ratings.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  And by the way, just a week ago, I was talking to insider from the office of the president. And again, I was working for the office of the president. I know there are different ratings. Ratings that are closed just for the eyes of the president and few in the team. And ratings that are presented to the gov- or to the public, right? And the insider from, from politics who saw the ratings said that Zelensky is non-electable. His ratings are so low. I was looking at those ratings in 2023 and 2024 every month. And his ratings were very, very low, getting lower and lower and lower. And here is another big revelation for you. When Donald Trump went out and named Zelensky a dictator,

• 25:53Speaker 02

  and when he was talking about low ratings of Zelensky, of course, Zelensky said that Donald Trump is influenced by Russians, and this is all Russian propaganda, and Donald Trump was called pro-Russian as every critic of Zelensky. But in fact, Donald Trump got information from a lot of Ukrainians. These are former government officials and even current government officials. These are people who close to President Zelensky. They provided evidence, documents, witnesses, what they knew, everything. Because when Donald Trump came to power for the second term, so many Ukrainians hoped and still hope that he will help achieve peace.

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• 28:51Tucker Carlson?

  Fuck her. What was Zelensky's relationship?

• 28:54Speaker 02

  It feels like I'm so angry now.

• 28:57Tucker Carlson?

  It's okay. It's, you have every reason to be. You have every reason to be. It's your country.

• 29:02Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:03Tucker Carlson?

  Can't even imagine, actually.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  You can't.

• 29:06Tucker Carlson?

  No, I can't. I hope I never have to see anything like that here. What was Zelensky's relationship like with Joe Biden?

• 29:15Speaker 02

  Oh. So there is a very good American journalist who wrote a book, and he mentioned that relationships. But I also met him, and he told me in private conversation that Biden was thinking that Zelensky was emotionally manipulative. When I was there, he also described in the book that Zelensky thought that Biden was weak. When I was there, Zelensky had several interviews to push Biden for some agenda.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  And I remember that I met one American diplomat. He was pissed off with this interview. He was shouting at me so, so much, and it was a party. And I was not the organizer. Mr. Yermak was an organizer. And diplomat knew he's just so pissed off that he couldn't stop shouting. And he shouted that that interview was uh kind of either stupid or unprofessional. And it shouldn't be like that. Um, when I was leaving and I resigned, there, there are boards who are spreading the rumor that I was fired because I worked for Russia. This is not true. Uh, we departed on good terms. Zelensky thanked me. He wished me good luck. They wanted me to continue as an advisor to the office.

• 30:30Speaker 02

  So we departed in good, in good terms. Um, the thing is that, um, uh, Zelensky actually uh was destroying relations with multiple actors in the West, including with the United States. And uh, one of the things was that since twenty twenty till twenty twenty one for a year, uh, there was a reform agenda and Zelensky literally was destroying every reform. And it was happening like one by one, like, and that was disastrous and.

• 31:04Tucker Carlson?

  What kind of reforms?

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Uh, what a kind of reforms. Uh, so there was a, an agreement with the IMF in twenty twenty. Ukraine was as often under watch of uh default and we needed money. And obviously IMF doesn't provide you money for free. So there was like ten or twelve positions of the reforms that needed to be done. And uh, as soon as, as, so Zelensky really did a miraculous job with two, the most difficult reforms. He pressed the, the parliament to vote for it, for them, which actually means that he could go through this agenda, difficult agenda and push for the reforms. He just didn't want to. As soon as two reforms were pushed through, the IMF approved five point five billion dollars.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  And I remember I was present at the conversation between Zelensky and Kristalina Georgieva. They spoke in Russian, because Kristalina Georgieva is Bulgarian. And they had such trust and understanding, you know. But as soon as the money came through, and the first tranche was 2.1 billion, more than they wanted to give at the beginning. In few days, Zelensky violated the first reform. He fired, by political reasons, the head of the National Bank. And it was a big scandal. Kristalina Georgieva called back, and she never spoke in Russian to Zelensky anymore. Because she was undermined. She promised to the both that he was a reliable man, that he agreed for reforms, that he proved that he could push reforms through.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  And then suddenly, as soon as he gets first money, he fires the head of the National Bank. And the head of the National Bank said that he was fired via political pressure, and, you know, that was a scandal. Zelensky explained her this. He said, "There will be another independent head of the National Bank. But he will just be our... He will be just our head of National Bank. He will be professional and independent, but he will be coming from us." He even doesn't understand what he is saying, right? It's hilarious. Do you understand me?

• 33:11Tucker Carlson?

  I do, I do.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Okay, so then after that, there was a justice reform. There was a scandal in the courts. Then there was another, another, another, like every reform. And the last one that was really, that was really blowing up, it was corporate reform. Actually, the reform that was needed to be destroyed to make corruption.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  So the United States helped Ukraine to establish the corporate reform as in the United States. There is the board of independent people who looks how actually the state enterprises are working and looking so that there is no corruption there. There is a big Ukrainian oil and gas company, Naftogaz in Ukraine, and Zelensky just dismissed the independent board and put his own people there and...

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is something that hasn't been public, but we were talking to anti-corruption activists and there was money laundering at some point from Naftogaz. So Zelensky just wanted to turn this state oil and gas company in Russian Gazprom.

• 34:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  So when there is your own person there and there are dock offices and the money is laundered from there. And that's when the United States was so pissed off that they did not prolong the sanctions against Nord Stream. I'm going really deep here. I don't know if your audience is going. I mean, I don't know if your audience is going to understand everything, but Nord Stream was a pipeline that Russia was building to bring its own gas to the European Union, and it was sanctioned by the United States. And so when Ukraine, when President Zelensky was actually violating all the reforms that

• 35:04Speaker 02

  he had agreed with the United States, at some point Biden's administration was so pissed off that they decided to allow Russia to finish this Nord Stream pipeline. Does it make sense?

• 35:15Tucker Carlson?

  It does. And then they blew it up in the end, anyway.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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• 36:35Tucker Carlson?

  Tucker, is Zelensky himself corrupt?

• 36:39Speaker 02

  So, there was one minister, I don't name the people, okay? But he had good connections with the United States, and that's why Zelensky appreciated him. And there was this absolutely ridiculous story that, you know, Ukrainian ministries get very low salaries, like $12,000 per year. Yeah, that's why there is corruption there, right?

• 37:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  And he said, "Look, I don't need much, but I will need like $5,000 per month, so $60,000 per year."

• 37:10Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  Like, you know, really didn't want much, but that would guarantee that he did not make corruption. Zelensky, of course, promised him in his first interview, and obviously did not do anything for that. So, the minister just started writing himself primo bonuses. And opposition was attacking him, like, "Oh my God, $5,000 per month for the minister? That was such a scandal." You know, Zelensky obviously didn't like that. So, when the first government was dismissed, this guy was invited, and Zelensky said, "Look, I like how you work. You have good relations with the West. Maybe you want to continue in the other government. But you cannot have $5,000 of official salary because it causes so much scandal." And when the guy entered the room,

• 37:55Speaker 02

  there was President Zelensky here, Mr. Yermak here, and another person whom I know here. And there was a bag of dollars on their table. And the guy said, "I can give you $5,000 of official salary, but I will be giving you $5,000 of, you know, money every month. So you can get your salary, but it's not going to be official, okay? Which means if Zelensky knows it, it's not corruption."

• 38:20Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  You see.

• 38:21Tucker Carlson?

  Does he take, do you think Zelensky and his family have gotten rich since the war began?

• 38:27Speaker 02

  They have always been rich. He's playing this poor guy in his this cheap sweater. He is rich, obviously. Um, look, I don't know where the money goes. But I was meeting one veteran of politics who has known Zelensky for dozens of years. And the first thing he asks me, where is the money? I'm like, what? He's like, I know Zelensky for many years. He has never lifted a finger for free. He would never do anything for free. So, you know, I'm not a law enforcement. It's something for the law enforcement to prove.

• 39:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 39:01Speaker 02

  But I've just told you already two stories, right? There was another story from another minister who just called us recently and he said,

• 39:11Speaker 02

  uh, when he was um on the position, uh, those very close people to Zelensky were actually taking percentage from some governmental uh programs. I mean, illegal percentage.

• 39:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 39:25Speaker 02

  And he told Zelensky that they are taking really too much already, like really they're insisting on very big amounts. And Zelensky smiled and said, good job, guys, good job, guys. And he was not joking. The minister says he was not joking. He was really happy it was happening. And then the minister thought, oh, we're not going far with this. Yeah, he resigned later. Uh, now in the government, there are very uh few people who are professionals. They are there, but very few. Uh, mostly Zelensky puts there loyalists who will never say no and who create the agenda that absolutely is out of mind.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Uh, he just wants something, like if he is writing his script, you know, of of the servant of the people. And then he just wants, he he demands this and people go and, you know, they just make up some reports and he goes with this reports and says that this is true. That this is how it works, unfortunately. He's a PR guy and PR, only PR. He's not the the guy of substance.

• 40:36Tucker Carlson?

  Who does he listen to? Who are his advisers? Yermak, you said, was the chief of staff for years. I don't know that he still is. But he's identified in the West as Zelensky's closest friend and adviser. Is that true? And who is Yermak?

• 40:49Speaker 02

  Mr. Yermak started his career at the strip club.

• 40:54Tucker Carlson?

  I'm sorry?

• 40:54Speaker 02

  Long ago. Yeah, like not stripper, but as a lawyer.

• 40:58Tucker Carlson?

  At a strip club?

• 40:59Speaker 02

  Yes. That was a strip club where there were a lot of those people who later would become politicians in the pro-Russian party. And he was a lawyer there. And I was talking to a first employee of Yermak.

• 41:14Tucker Carlson?

  With the political part?

• 41:15Speaker 02

  And first employee said he had so many ambitions and he had no absolutely talents for those ambitions. That's just, you know, a quote. Yeah, so he started like that and he met there a lot of people who would later join into politics.

• 41:30Tucker Carlson?

  At the strip club?

• 41:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a very famous strip club. It was 90s, I think, or early 2000s. Then he was working for a store of luxury brands that mostly are brought, not officially, via smuggling. And that's where he also met a lot of rich people, oligarchs, and 95th Quartal is also buying clothes there. So officially, Mr. Yermak says that he was a lawyer at one of the biggest Ukrainian channels, and that's where he met Zelensky, who used to be a general producer of that channel. But I'm not sure where they met. So it's possible that they just met through, you know, some other entertaining stories.

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Yermak also made some movies about smuggling, which is very symbolic for me, since he used to work in that business. He was involved in some dark affairs of mafia stuff on the level of Kyiv City. And that's how, you know, he knew a lot of politicians and...

• 42:35Speaker 02

  From the point of view of not politics, but how the things can be done, he could be helpful to Zelensky.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  Their relations was very strange, very different, very, very difficult, very strange. Yermak knows that he is personally narcissist, and he knows that Zelensky is narcissist, and these are two malign and paranoid narcissists. Oh my god, what I'm saying that, but that's true.

• 43:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yermak and Zelensky are both malign narcissists?

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Yermak and Zelensky are both malign and very paranoid narcissists, who are both on defensive mode.

• 43:16Tucker Carlson?

  They're both paranoid?

• 43:19Speaker 02

  Yermak more.

• 43:20Tucker Carlson?

  How paranoid?

• 43:22Speaker 02

  Oh, Yermak, he just creates the stuff from nowhere. He's just like,

• 43:29Speaker 02

  you don't need to do anything, while he can come up with something. I don't know, it's really some kind of a sick mind, to be frank. And it was some kind of symbiosis. And Zelensky had the vision, and Yermak had the tools to implement the vision. It was not about politics or policies, it was more about what they wanted for themselves.

• 43:56Speaker 02

  It's important to say that sometimes Zelensky didn't know how to make what he wanted, how to make it work.

• 44:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  So he was just saying the desires, and Yermak was finding the way. And often, and often it was happening that Zelensky then says to do this, but Yermak calls and say, "Don't do this," because he saw doing this in this way. And in general, that was so chaotic. Like, no professional could work there. I'm saying that, it's not possible, because they're just like, keeping saying different things, keeping changing the strategies, keeping changing the moods, keeping changing everything all the time. And they create this

• 44:40Speaker 02

  feeling that there is so much work, and everybody works, works, works, but nothing is done.

• 44:46Tucker Carlson?

  Sounds awful.

• 44:47Speaker 02

  It's really strange, but I'm not the one who knows that.

• 44:51Tucker Carlson?

  What do you think Zelensky wanted? What were his goals?

• 44:58Speaker 02

  Well, I definitely know that he thought he came forever. His first chief of staff said it once. He laughed to the minister and said, "We came forever." That's um.

• 45:12Tucker Carlson?

  So he liked being the dictator?

• 45:16Speaker 02

  Well, he is a dictator. The closed, the borders are closed now for four years, it's illegally. The human rights violations is enormous, the persecution of the people. In twenty twenty four, when Donald Trump came to power, there was a member of parliament who wrote on Telegram, "Zelensky, now you need to stop this war." And yes, you will lose the next elections, but stop this war. Like, Trump will push you, stop this war. And he was in jail in three days, he's still in jail.

• 45:46Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 45:46Speaker 02

  And I talked, yeah, and I talked to security services and they said he, he never talked to Russia since twenty twenty one, no connection, but he is accused in treason. And there are a lot of people who are, people are persecuted. Obviously, there are dirty campaigns. Everyone who criticizes Zelensky is just pro-Russian, Russian, pro-Kremlin. You're pro-Kremlin, I will be pro-Kremlin after this interview, you know. I believe that American special services do their job well, and if there were any pro-Kremlin payments or contacts, obviously, they would know that, right? Um, yeah, so in general, this is it, but, you know, for me personally,

• 46:33Speaker 02

  the situation in the country is inhuman, because I never would think that my country would be the one where people are grabbed on the streets and forced to the frontlines. I never would think that we all agree and stay silent to the fact that Zelensky uses frontline as the punishment, like.

• 46:54Tucker Carlson?

  He uses the war as a punishment? Political punishment?

• 46:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. He even was open about that. He was saying if somebody does something bad, we need to punish them and send to the frontline. That was his statements, but there are people who are sent there. Just because they're critics of Zelensky, you know.

• 47:15Tucker Carlson?

  Do you know anyone who's been sent for criticizing Zelensky?

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Uh, there were people from the security services who were sent publicly and there were a few people who were sent there.

• 47:25Tucker Carlson?

  What's it like, the frontline?

• 47:29Speaker 02

  There are different frontlines. Some people find frontline, you know, in a cozy place, just wearing the uniform and playing the role of some bloggers, but I know people who survived when their units were killed. It's terrifying. Uh, my mother was treating soldiers who were sent in bad uniforms during winter to another side and their fingers and limbs were cut off because they were frozen. Every year Ukrainians are collecting money for their uniforms, you know, necessary stuff, women are cooking food for, for the soldiers. No, I'm not kidding. There are a lot of volunteers.

• 48:11Tucker Carlson?

  But the West has sent hundreds of billions of dollars and they don't have gloves or food? Where'd all the money?

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Well, they have, some of them have food, some of them are looking for more, you know. And, uh, yeah, usually people are collecting even money for weapons or for starlings.

• 48:28Tucker Carlson?

  What about all the hundreds of billions from the?

• 48:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, you need to track it. You need to track it. But look, uh, there is a scandal right now in Ukraine. When the Minister of Energy was fired and it is now known that he helped money laundry one hundred twelve bill, million dollars. Uh, one hundred twelve million dollars. And those money should have been used for the shield for energy sector and it's a huge scandal in Ukraine. There is proven stuff by the law enforcement and behind the whole scheme is the guy who worked with Russian mafia. That's amazing. You, you should go and look into it, but there is the whole scheme with the offshore companies with the names behind.

• 49:11Speaker 02

  And the Minister of Energy himself got twelve million dollars for this, so it's around ten percent. And ten percent is usually paid for those who help establish the scheme, right? So where is the ninety percent? That is the question.

• 49:28Tucker Carlson?

  I'm just, I know I've said this before, but I'm amazed that more people from Zelensky's government haven't come forward to say this in the West, in English. Why is that?

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Because people are afraid.

• 49:42Tucker Carlson?

  What are they afraid of?

• 49:44Speaker 02

  On Netflix, there is a movie, a series, How to Become a Tyrant.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  I didn't know about that unless one governmental official came to me and said, I watched that series. It's what's happening in the country. And it was before the war. I mean, large-scale war. Everyone is afraid. Zelensky has no limits. That's the problem. I'm sitting here because I know that he is in a weak point today. And I know that there are a lot of people in his government and in his vertical of power who want peace. And I'm, I didn't want to put shit on him. I'm sitting here because I want peace too. And this guy is gonna come up with any condition. He's gonna change the positions all the time just to prolong this war and to get more money.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  He doesn't want to have political suicide. Finishing war for him is a political suicide, you see?

• 50:43Tucker Carlson?

  I do.

• 50:44Speaker 02

  So I'm sitting here having this belief that if he is furiously ordering the people to arrange something against me, maybe in this vertical of power would be people who will not agree now. But even two years ago, they would do whatever he want.

• 51:07Tucker Carlson?

  What do you think he would do to you for saying this, if he could?

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Look, I'm risking everything. I cannot return to Ukraine after this interview, okay?

• 51:21Speaker 02

  I know people who get threats.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  A month ago, there was a banker in Milan who fell out of the window.

• 51:32Tucker Carlson?

  In Milan?

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:34Tucker Carlson?

  Milan, Italy?

• 51:35Speaker 02

  Yes. And Italy is investigating it. But there was one guy, a story that nobody paid attention to, who died when Zelensky was traveling to Mr. Biden in September 2023. The guy used to be a governor of my region, Kherson region, where I'm originally from. If you think about the governors, they are usually very rich, local, very successful, strong people, who have their people everywhere, have established processes, have a lot of money. It's very strange that he died behind garages by making suicide of poisoning himself.

• 52:18Speaker 02

  And I talked to one very deep insider and top position in security service, and the guy told me, this is a very strange death, because this guy was negotiating with Russians. He was getting his orders from Yermak, I know the middleman, and then he was passing some information to Russians when Russians were occupying Kherson, and then back. And then when Zelensky travels to Biden, this guy makes suicide behind garages. And security service explains that he had, he had a depression.

• 52:56Tucker Carlson?

  He had depression?

• 52:57Speaker 02

  He had depression. A rich guy, strong guy, used to be a governor, he, he had depression and he decided to poison himself, behind garages. I mean, this all just doesn't come together.

• 53:11Tucker Carlson?

  No, it doesn't. So, people who work for Zelensky believe that if they were to criticize him, they could be killed?

• 53:18Speaker 02

  Or jailed.

• 53:19Tucker Carlson?

  Or jailed.

• 53:20Speaker 02

  I told you just about the member of parliament, but there are also those people who sit there for years, and the courts cannot, the general prosecution cannot prove the guilt that they accused in. It's also treason, you know, collaboration with Russia.

• 53:36Tucker Carlson?

  How do you prove that?

• 53:37Speaker 02

  It's, it's for, yeah, and it's for criticism. It's, it's just, you know, political fight, nothing more.

• 53:44Tucker Carlson?

  What are jails like in Ukraine?

• 53:46Speaker 02

  Oh, they're awful. Oh, they're awful. A lot of people in one place. Now, by the way, there was the news that diseases are being spread, it's very cold, the food is terrible, it's, it's a terrible place to be. It's not like in American jail, no. It's a terrible place to be.

• 54:08Tucker Carlson?

  So Ukrainians can't speak up for fear of being imprisoned or killed, but why do you think Western media hasn't spoken up?

• 54:18Speaker 02

  Here, I would like to say the thing that the freedom of speech in Ukraine is in bad shape.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  But I believe that it improved when Donald Trump came to power for the second term. Because there are more and more news coming up and despite that some journalists are also sent to the front lines or attacked, still you know there are materials that are coming up. And when this freezing winter was happening, terrible winter, when people were freezing their homes without light, without water.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Their whole revolution on Instagram, Ukrainian Instagram, started. And I wanted to tell you two trends, just two of multiple trends that are happening on Instagram right now, that will show you that Ukrainians are suffering under Zelensky. They don't support what Zelensky is doing. One of the trends is they are burning the books with Zelensky's speeches in their fireplaces or fires, saying, "Ha, finally we figured out why we needed those."

• 55:30Speaker 02

  The second thing is very politically incorrect and I'm very sorry in front of the audience.

• 55:35Tucker Carlson?

  You're in a safe place, don't worry.

• 55:36Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm very sorry, but I tried to describe the desperation and the dark humor that Ukrainians use. A driver is parking on the parking lot for a place for a disabled person. And another person is coming with a telephone asking, "Why did you park on the place for a disabled person?" And the driver responds, and the driver responds, "I'm going to vote for Zelensky for the second time."

• 56:08Tucker Carlson?

  You mean mentally disabled? Yes.

• 56:11Speaker 02

  So, these are trends. This is not like one reel or two reels. These are trends and they're going viral. And this is the way how people are trying to shout out, "We are desperate. Please stop this war. Please stop this nonsense. Please stop this autocracy." There is no reason why to fight this war. It's senseless. You see, people lost all... Sense of this war. Like if this war is for NATO or against NATO expansion, then Ukraine has no chances to be NATO. If Putin conducts this war against Zelensky, then Zelensky is the main beneficiary of this war.

• 56:53Tucker Carlson?

  It's true.

• 56:54Speaker 02

  If this war is for returning territories, then we have been losing territories for three years. If this war is for democracy, then we have no democracy in the country now. People in the frontline regions, they tell terrible things. One person told me, I don't know what we are fighting for. What's the difference between Ukraine and Russia right now? There is autocracy there, autocracy here. There is no anything that would would be democratic now. So what's the fight for? This is not what I'm saying. This is what people from different regions are saying.

• 57:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 57:30Speaker 02

  And I believe that Zelensky had two chances of finishing this war in 2022. Two chances. Now he says that ninety percent of Ukrainians will not forgive him giving up Donbass.

• 57:46Speaker 02

  Where does he come from with these numbers? Like, there are no such numbers. Realistically, no such numbers. And I was talking to people who represented Ukraine at negotiations in Istanbul in 2022.

• 58:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, the famous negotiations, where they came pretty close.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Oh, they were almost done, yeah. And I was explained in details that they agreed for everything. And furthermore, which is very important, they said that Zelensky personally agreed to give away Donbass. And I I was shocked at that moment. It was a shocking news and I said, really? Did he? And the guy said, of course he is. He is OK with that, because he will stop the horror of war. He he agreed for giving away the territory, because because that would mean the war is over.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  And now he is standing in front of millions of audiences telling, "I cannot give away Donbass." You see, he is inconsistent. He is changing the positions all the time. The second time when he could and the office of the president planned he would finish the war was the end of 2022. And as I read The New York Times, who actually confirmed my insights, that the Biden administration decided to go with his plan to continue that war. That was Mr. Blinken, who was advising, you know, "If Ukraine wants to fight, then Ukraine needs to fight." Despite all the evidence that we could not win that war.

• 59:24Tucker Carlson?

  Of course not.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  You know, there is this thing also, everything that he said against Zelensky is being pro-Russian. And now, you know, this Mr. Johnson, Prime Minister Johnson thing.

• 59:39Tucker Carlson?

  Boris Johnson from the UK.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Boris Johnson is a big friend of Zelensky.

• 59:44Tucker Carlson?

  He's an evil man.

• 59:47Speaker 02

  So, remember Bucha. Bucha is a small town in Kiev region, and it was occupied by Russia, and there are a lot of terrible things and terrible deaths happened there. And Zelensky came to Bucha after it was deoccupied on April 4th, 2022. And I remember him standing in front of the journalists, and he had this, you know, terrible face and terrible,

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  terrible, you know, look, and he was, it felt like he went through pain while seeing all those bodies there.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  But he was asked if he was going to continue the negotiations with Russia, and he said, "Yes. Yes, I am going to continue." That's fixed on a camera. He was going to continue. And then, you know, they had all the agreement by positions about Donbass, about language, about many, many things. They agreed upon everything. And then Boris Johnson came. And now it is said that this is Putin's lies, but this story was told by Ukrainians. It was not told by Russians. Ukrainians who were trying to bring peace knew that Boris Johnson influenced the decision.

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  And Zelensky was promised to have everything: weapons, influence, fame, you know, and he will fight Russia and he will be a great hero. And that's everything that Zelensky wants. He doesn't care about people. He cares about staying in power. He cares about being the great hero in the history. So I believe there were two, two moments where he could finish this war, but he chose the war of attrition. I don't know how 25 million of Ukrainians who stay in the country can have war with Russia that has the population of 140 million people. Uh, with Russia, who, by the way, in four years, has not even borrowed for this war.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  And Ukraine has the debt of 100% of GDP. With Russia that awaits sanctions, still tries to sell, you know, and Ukraine has no market economy. I mean,

• 1:02:04Tucker Carlson?

  Russia is so much bigger than Ukraine that Ukraine could never win. It's just too big. Russia's too big.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  You know, The New York Times wrote a story that was scandalous in 2023. And the title was "Ukraine will need to choose between people and territories." And we are indeed choosing. And our leader is choosing territories.

• 1:02:22Tucker Carlson?

  But it's not, I mean, look, I'm not an expert at all on Eastern Europe, but I have Wikipedia. I just look up landmass population, industrial capacity. You don't need that much information to know. This country cannot beat that country in a land war. It was obvious. I don't understand.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  I think it's obvious for Zelensky too, but he thrives on this war. He thrives on this war. Why would he finish it?

• 1:02:47Tucker Carlson?

  Well, because it's destroying his country.

• 1:02:50Speaker 02

  I don't think he thinks about that. In 2024, I was talking to a very smart guy who knows Russia and knows Ukraine very well. He used to be an advisor to the president. He's an American, by the way. And he said to me that Zelensky would finish the war till the end of 2024. I said, "No, he won't." He said, "Why?" "He's losing territories." "Russians will go to Dnipro, Petrovsk, another region, Zaporizhzhya, Odessa, Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernigiv." "He names all those regions of Ukraine." And I'm like, "This is not the reason for him to stop." And the guy could not understand. Like, he could not. He's like, "But why? You're gonna lose the territories. You're gonna lose more."

• 1:03:33Speaker 02

  And I'm saying, "This is not, not how he thinks." He, he, he imagines the lives. Like, he, his thinking is limited with thinking of what he sees. Of, of his beautiful, golden office, you know? And, and, and, and the guy was like, "Okay, they're in Zaporizhzhya." I'm like, "Not a reason." "They're in Dnipro, not a reason." "They're there, they're there." And then the guy says, "Okay, there needs to be somewhere, a point where he will understand that Russians are winning." "Maybe when Russians are with the guns in his office." I'm like, "Yeah, that's where he will understand they are."

• 1:04:10Tucker Carlson?

  So it sounds like he doesn't care very much about Ukraine.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  He never cared. He never cared. He never cared about the people. That's the point.

• 1:04:19Speaker 02

  The rap, you know, the rap. I, I tried to come up not only with the insights. I think the things that I told you are quite terrible, but this is who he is. But let's just check the facts online, okay? At the Munich Conference, Zelensky insisted that ceasefire is the condition for peace, for negotiations and for elections. He is keeping pushing for ceasefire again, knowing that Russia is against ceasefire. It's like the NATO story, right?

• 1:04:49Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  If you go online and check his speech for the UN General Assembly, September 2024, he was saying that no ceasefire is possible. That it's very irresponsible to ask Ukraine for a ceasefire. That a ceasefire will lead to a frozen conflict. And he was going against a ceasefire all the time.

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  Then, second thing.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  In June 2024, there was a peace summit where Ukraine presented Zelensky's peace formula. There were 160 delegations coming from different countries. And I truly believe that those delegations wanted to discuss peace. There were discussions about energy, security, returning children, and something else. And Switzerland suggested that they invite Russian delegation, maybe even Vladimir Putin.

• 1:05:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  And Office of the President was very much against it. And Office of the President of Ukraine even organized a media campaign, saying that it is absolutely morally impossible to talk to Russia, to Putin, we need just to pressure, no negotiations with Russia, you see? At the same time, when he was presenting the formula of peace, Ukraine was organizing the Kursk region operation. And how do actually you offer the world to have peace and at the same time are planning operation to invade Kursk region? You see, these are very inconsistent things.

• 1:06:24Speaker 02

  Then, after his just formula, where he suggested one things, he offered victory plan, where he suggested completely different things. Then in November 2024, he said that he would agree for temporary occupation of some territories if another government-controlled territory of Ukraine will be included in NATO. Then, in several days, he said that he was a misinterpreted. I'm telling you so many examples, when he has been changing the conditions, preconditions to end this war.

• 1:06:58Tucker Carlson?

  Because he doesn't want to end the war.

• 1:07:00Speaker 02

  Because he doesn't want to end this war. I counted with my insights around seven attempts to finish this war, where he used different mediators, he used different countries. We promised those mediators, he promised those countries, those leaders, that he would start negotiations, that he would agree for conditions, and he always lied.

• 1:07:22Tucker Carlson?

  But it's, I'm not giving him a pass, I'm not making excuses for Zelensky. But Ukraine has got, you know, 100% debt to GDP ratio, limited industrial capacity. Like, it can't fight a war without Western aid, period. And so it's France, UK, United States, that are paying for all this. Why would the Western countries want to keep the war going? Obviously, they do.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  This is a very good question. To be frank, I think that the approach that Donald Trump team offered is a very constructive approach. In any way, Ukraine wouldn't survive without aid. But one thing, one thing, is to plan the investment, right? To boost businesses, to provide jobs, to play taxes, to, to recover economy, and to have returnings, right? And another one, just to, to provide the money for the war. And I believe that the governments gave so much money, and some of those governments, they just cannot back up now.

• 1:08:32Speaker 02

  They cannot say that we gave those money for a dictator, because they're afraid about their ratings and their own situation. Right now, some of the Europeans were saying, Ukrainians, members of parliament, that Ukraine was undermining them because of corruption. Ukrainians are begging, please, just open your eyes, help us stop this war. It's, it's not about your ratings, it's about people paying with blood.

• 1:09:01Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, but it sounds like that's not going to be possible as long as Zelensky is there. The war won't end as long as he...

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  I don't believe that he will finish this war. I don't believe...

• 1:09:09Tucker Carlson?

  No, it sounds like it. If there are seven attempts to finish the war, and his only position has been, the war needs to continue, he's clearly not the guy to end the war. So how do you get Zelensky out?

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  That's a good question, and I'm not the one to answer it.

• 1:09:25Tucker Carlson?

  Well, there are no elections, so...

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  But we are in a legal trap here. And the last time when he was planning elections, he actually didn't want to leave the martial law, and wanted to have one round elections so that he can manufacture them. And this is the article on a very reliable Ukrainian media outlet, the journalist talked to insiders from, from the office and from the parliament.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  Just another example, look, there was this Munich Security Conference and Zelensky assaulted the Prime Minister of Hungary, Mr. Orban.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  That's so interesting, just like I'm saying so many bad things, I feel so bad about that. But just like if you're a rational person, think about this.

• 1:10:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  The leader of Ukraine, standing in front of all the leaders and keeps assaulting one of the European leaders. In a week, this European leader will need to vote for a 90 billion loan for Ukraine. And obviously, Orban just blocked everything. And everybody is like pointing fingers to Orban, how bad Orban is, how bad Orban is. Perhaps he is, I'm not justifying Orban here. But if you are a leader of a country, how on earth are you assaulting a person from whom you will need a support of 90 billion of a loan? Without which Ukraine just cannot go further.

• 1:10:51Tucker Carlson?

  So that's a great question, and I watch him do the same thing to Donald Trump.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  Absolutely, but can I finish?

• 1:10:56Tucker Carlson?

  So what is that?

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, can I finish this moment? The thing is that the conflict that has escalated recently is about a pipeline, oil pipeline. Hungary was getting Russian oil through Ukraine, and it's damaged. And Zelensky made this, again, performance, huge performance, as if he is a brave hero who is fighting against Russian oil, Russian gas, all Russian, etc., etc. At the same time, Ukraine on technical level is repairing the pipeline. The European Commission is insisting that we do it as fast as possible. And Ukraine is sending the explanation to the European Commission. You know, it will take some time, but we are offering you another pipeline so that there is no energy crisis. So the work is there, right?

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  And Zelensky is just performing some stuff in his head. And the other important moment in this, do you know that this was France, not Hungary, who bought the biggest number of Russian energy products last year? Including Russian LNG that is selling to Germany. So why doesn't Zelensky go against Macron? I don't understand that.

• 1:12:06Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's a great question, I'm aware of this.

• 1:12:09Speaker 02

  And Donald Trump, you know, I was watching that thing, that Oval Office situation.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  For me, it was so painful. It is so painful. Every time when I'm posting on my Twitter videos of ruined Ukrainian cities, every time I have this quote from Zelensky, "We've got beautiful cities. Come and see." I'm like, how you can say that these ruins are beautiful cities? The thing is that many people who know Zelensky, they characterize the situation that this is what's happening behind the camera usually. Such historical behavior, no control of emotions, and this manipulation,

• 1:13:03Speaker 02

  attempts to prove himself. This is Zelensky. This is how he looks all the time.

• 1:13:08Tucker Carlson?

  Is he a drug user?

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  This is an open secret.

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  The thing is that I've never seen him taking drugs. However, for writing my book, I met a lot of people who confirmed that they saw him taking drugs in different clubs. And only one saw him taking drugs in 2021.

• 1:13:34Speaker 02

  I learned who is the supplier from 95th Quartal. And I met that person.

• 1:13:41Tucker Carlson?

  You met Zelensky's drug dealer?

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  I'm not saying he's a drug dealer. He's a guy from 95th Quartal. And

• 1:13:47Tucker Carlson?

  What's 95th Quartal?

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  95th Quartal? It's entertaining company of Zelensky. 95th Quartal, where he comes from. It's the guy who is an actor. And he behaved really in a strange way. His eyes and his behavior.

• 1:14:06Tucker Carlson?

  Is Zelensky using cocaine?

• 1:14:09Speaker 02

  Again, I have not seen that. So the thing is that all these people are talking about cocaine. Yes. The second thing is every time when we were preparing to the interview, you know, I was reading the notes, explaining who is the journalist, what he needs to say, the messaging, the questions. He does not like reading, to be frank, usually. He's more, you know, like, tries to listen to you. And then he takes his like 15 minutes in the bathroom.

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  And I'm telling you that I was always surprised um that he was going out a different person, like really always a different person.

• 1:14:53Tucker Carlson?

  So you'd be briefing him?

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  Then he goes to the bathroom, he spends there fifteen minutes and he's going out energized, full of, you know, action, ready to say everything.

• 1:15:06Tucker Carlson?

  Sniffing?

• 1:15:10Speaker 02

  So I don't want to say something that I didn't see.

• 1:15:12Tucker Carlson?

  I understand.

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  But I met too many people. I met doctors, I met, you know, people who spent time with him in the clubs. And I talked to the people who has been knowing him for like twenty, twenty-five years.

• 1:15:30Tucker Carlson?

  And they say he's a cocaine.

• 1:15:32Speaker 02

  And also, I don't know if you followed that, but there was an allegation, accusation that he is a cocaine user during his electoral campaign. And that's why he invited his opponent, President Poroshenko at that moment, uh, to take analysis on drugs. And he went to the clinics of his friend. And when the analysis was presented, it happened that the analysis was dated by different date when he gave those analysis.

• 1:16:01Tucker Carlson?

  Ah.

• 1:16:02Speaker 02

  That was a big scandal. I mean, this is everywhere. The allegation is everywhere. There are many people.

• 1:16:07Tucker Carlson?

  For a long time.

• 1:16:09Speaker 02

  For a long time, yeah. And, you know, there is this very strange behavior, obviously, you know, there are a lot of things that point out to it. But I personally have not seen that.

• 1:16:21Tucker Carlson?

  But you spoke to his cocaine supplier from ninety-fifth quartile?

• 1:16:24Speaker 02

  Not for the book. I met him in the office of the president. I didn't know about cocaine back then, but I was very surprised of his behavior. His eyes were sparkling and he was so happy and slow. And he was trying to make some jokes that I didn't understand. I was like, this is a strange guy. And I didn't know what he was doing there because he didn't have any position. He just came to the office of the president.

• 1:16:55Tucker Carlson?

  What's Zelensky's wife like?

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  You know, many people who know her, respect her. Many people were saying that she was the only human who stayed nearby him. She really didn't want him to go for the second term. She even said this publicly.

• 1:17:21Speaker 02

  But I believe she changed. And I don't know if she still has that positive influence on him that she used to have, but Zelensky never thought that women are equally important. He is the one who respects his woman, but not as she, if she is like really equal, if it makes sense.

• 1:17:44Tucker Carlson?

  It does?

• 1:17:45Speaker 02

  Once I was in this very weird situation, I was in many weird situations with Zelensky, it's just a norm. But there was this situation where there was his friend from Ninety-Fifth Quartal and Zelensky, we were three of us.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  I don't know for which reason this guy started telling a very funny to his mind situation that Olena Zelenska was running after Zelensky for eight years to make him marry her. And he was a strong guy, he didn't want to marry, ha, ha, ha, it was so funny. Well, definitely Zelensky was smiling a lot and he liked the story. I still don't understand what was funny about that.

• 1:18:32Speaker 02

  I think Zelenska is a smart person, but she does not care and doesn't know anything about politics. And she doesn't want to be involved.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  She tried to stay human. I'm not sure what worked out.

• 1:18:47Tucker Carlson?

  When, when did you leave the country? Ukraine?

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  I, I would prefer not to talk about that.

• 1:18:53Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 1:18:54Speaker 02

  I stayed in the country in twenty twenty-two. Oh, we were shelled, by the way, when the Russians were living in Butcha, we were shelled. It's just pure luck that he didn't hit the house we were. My husband went to the front lines.

• 1:19:08Speaker 02

  We stayed in twenty twenty three, majority of twenty twenty four,

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  beginning of twenty twenty five. And I had so multiple sources that were saying that Zelensky is not going to finish this war. People are going crazy there. I was going crazy. You're like in the closed cage, you're being shelled and bombed, you can die any moment from Russian drone or Russian missile. At the same time, you can't do anything. There are no economic opportunities, there is no freedom of speech. Anything you do can be, you know, treated in a different way. The country is full of bans, everything is banned. There are strange rules, like, there is this very strange rule that

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  all the, uh, all the, uh, cars need to stop at nine AM on the roads uh, to listen to, to the hymn. Uh, it's just, yeah, like if you drive and then there is nine AM and there is Ukrainian hymn, you need to stop for it. There is really strange agenda and it looks like surreal. The country, I don't recognize Ukraine anymore.

• 1:20:21Tucker Carlson?

  Everything is banned? What does that mean?

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  Like, uh, he uses bans, like, like, there is this culture that he developed. The culture of banning, canceling people, artists, you know, um, poets, poets, churches, writers, you know, like, anything he can connect to Russia somehow. Sometimes it doesn't have any connection to Russia. It always makes us weaker. Sometimes these are Ukrainians from the past, but yeah, they used to live under like Russian empire or the USAS. There is this whole cu- uh, culture of cancellation. Uh, he cancels bloggers, journalists, not personally.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  But, but he has this tendency, he has these orders. Like for instance, in late twenty twenty three, I learned from the security service that Zelensky collected his guys and told them that. They needed to go against critical bloggers. At the end of, at the beginning of twenty twenty four, there were like purchase of bloggers. Bloggers were called to the security service, having conversations, why they did that, why they said that, that they will be accused of being pro-Russian. There was a bunch of bloggers that went against the war and they said, we don't need the borders of nineteen ninety one. We want to stop this war and all of them were called for a security service. One guy needed to leave the country, he was threatened, you know.

• 1:21:50Speaker 02

  Every story can become a bigger story, can become a story with security service. You see, can become a story of a treason. By the way, the cases of treason raised multiple times in, in four years, multiple times. Treason is just another punishment, you see.

• 1:22:08Tucker Carlson?

  He sounds like a Bolshevik.

• 1:22:11Speaker 02

  In many ways, it feels like it's the USSR that we read about.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  In many ways it is.

• 1:22:18Tucker Carlson?

  So, just to restate the question, is there any way to get rid of Zelensky?

• 1:22:24Speaker 02

  That's a good thing. You know, the problem, uh,

• 1:22:29Speaker 02

  how to do this in a legal way, uh,

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  and who is going to be next? Who's gonna be, who's gonna fight with Zelensky on electoral field? And how to restore the electoral field in general? You see?

• 1:22:45Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  And there are so many questions there that are not being solved at all. And I'm not sure he wants to solve them. So, one big question to all the Ukrainians and Westerners who have resources, who have the power, who are strong enough, is actually how to make it in a legal field, how to finish this.

• 1:23:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  And that's the answer to your question, why are Ukrainians silent? Rich people are afraid of being sanctioned. By the way, it's also a legal instrument that Zelensky uses. He sanctions his own, uh, citizens and it's absolutely anti-constitutional. And people are afraid.

• 1:23:25Tucker Carlson?

  How can you sanction your own citizens?

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  Yes, he, he, he uses, he sanctions his own citizens, that's, uh, pretty public and in, on his website.

• 1:23:35Speaker 02

  For, for, I don't know, he comes up with the reasons, working for Russia or whatever.

• 1:23:40Tucker Carlson?

  And what happens when you're sanctioned?

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  Uh, your businesses can be closed, your accounts are frozen. Uh, the former president is sanctioned, uh, so he says he cannot use his money anymore.

• 1:23:55Tucker Carlson?

  So just to go back to something you said earlier that I should have followed up on. When you were, uh, working for Zelensky, he told Putin, I think you said it was 2019, that Ukraine would not join NATO. Then you fast forward a couple of years, three years, and he's telling the world that Ukraine does plan to join NATO, which you said is impossible. But what do you think changed his mind? What changed?

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  Well, I definitely know that he wanted to influence the American administration.

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  He really did want, and, um.

• 1:24:37Tucker Carlson?

  Influence the American administration in what way?

• 1:24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, he wanted to get something. He wanted to get some support, friendship, you know, to get something. I remember the interview. I, I remember whom that interview was given, when he first said, uh, why are we not in NATO? So it was a TV interview and I was preparing messages. It has never been in messages. We never discussed that, actually. It was not at the table at all. And, uh, he was sitting there and the journalist asked him, so what would you tell or ask Biden about? And he said, why are not we in NATO? And I started like looking at the messages and the reason, no, there's NATO thing. He just came up with that.

• 1:25:25Speaker 02

  And Zelensky is the kind of person, if you applaud, he's gonna continue. And there were a lot of nationalists who applauded, who felt, oh, that's great stuff, God, do it. And so he saw the applause, he saw the reaction, and since his ratings were dropping down, you know, and there was positive feedback, he just started pushing through this agenda. You know, again, I read the book about Biden, and there was the description of the meeting in 2021. That was after I left a few months. And it happened that Zelensky insisted on this NATO issue from Biden, thinking that that was only Biden who was the obstacle to this. And if Biden said, then they will be NATO.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  He didn't want to listen to any arguments, any facts, nothing. And then when Biden said, look, there is no consensus for this, the guy said, but NATO is outdated organization, and it's gonna fall apart. Germany and France are going to leave NATO now. And as the journalist explains,

• 1:26:31Speaker 02

  even those who really liked Zelensky, they were blown up by this, they they thought he went too far. But this is, you know, this is who is Zelensky. He's always escalating, he's always demanding, he's always proving himself. You know, I was talking to one guy who used to work under two or three presidents. And he said to me that he's telling everyone that these two guys, Zelensky and Yermak, they are just six-year-olds. He meant because they were six years in power, now they are seven-year-olds. And I myself was thinking that they behave more as teenagers, but we never had argument that they behave as adults. You see? So I believe that Zelensky,

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  if that journalist who wasn't inside at the White House says that Zelensky thought Biden was weak, I believe Zelensky thought Biden is weak and he can pressure and get the NATO thing. Because Zelensky actually doesn't have much understanding of how things are working in his own government and globally.

• 1:27:34Tucker Carlson?

  Why are there so many Americans always in Ukraine? Always Americans in Ukraine? American officials are always talking about Ukraine. No offense to Ukraine, but it's a very small country. It's a very big world. But the US government was very focused on Ukraine for a long time. There were always journalists in and out of there, think tank people in and out of there, US military. What was that?

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  Well, I think we are lucky that there are journalists there. But it's a small country, you say, but it's comparatively big.

• 1:28:01Tucker Carlson?

  It's a large landmass, for sure. But so is Kazakhstan.

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. But in Europe, it's like the second biggest country in Europe.

• 1:28:09Tucker Carlson?

  Well, if you don't count Russia, it's the biggest. And so I've never understood.

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  You should ask Americans why they're there.

• 1:28:16Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I've never understood it. I mean, I think money laundering was part of it, for sure. I think Americans, I mean, the former president's son was on the board of a Ukrainian energy company. I never, did you know that?

• 1:28:28Speaker 02

  You know, that I was also that very famous article about Hunter Biden. And after that, Biden's administration didn't give interview to the New York Times. And I think that was a very infant behavior from the communications people. I was just a freelancer in Ukraine. If for six years after that, the biggest democratic president doesn't provide interview to the biggest democratic media because of some freelancer, you know, having evidence of, you know, some connected topics, that's really ridiculous behavior.

• 1:28:59Tucker Carlson?

  I remember that piece. That was with Ken Vogel, I think.

• 1:29:01Speaker 02

  And Yulian Mandel.

• 1:29:02Tucker Carlson?

  Yep. Who's you. So for whatever it's worth, for those who don't remember the piece, can you just summarize it? Tell us what it was about, what it said.

• 1:29:12Speaker 02

  It was long ago, but yeah, Hunter Biden was invited to be on board of energy company that was owned by big oligarch who is accused in money laundering and, you know, big guy, really. Mafia guy and um yeah, there was a general prosecutor who um opened eleven criminal proceedings against this company and Hunter Biden figured somewhere that that he was he was somewhere there. But I was talking to a general prosecutor and he told me that he reopened the cases, but uh he could not prosecute Hunter Biden because Hunter Biden is an American. And as as Ukraine, we just cannot do that.

• 1:29:57Speaker 02

  But that was the whole story about, you know, that Hunter Biden was on the board. Uh, and obviously it was not liked by Biden administration very much. Um, and there was a huge scandal and I did just my job, you know. I talked to the general prosecutor. I I went to two different people. I asked the questions. I read and translated the law, you know, I verified the information. I mean, Ken was doing major job. I was helping him.

• 1:30:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  The New York Times stands for that piece. So why should I be, you know, feeling bad about that?

• 1:30:35Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I don't think you should be at all.

• 1:30:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:37Tucker Carlson?

  What was your reaction from the Zelensky government to you when that piece came out?

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, uh, first of all, that was the transition moment.

• 1:30:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I bet. I'm sure it was.

• 1:30:47Speaker 02

  Um, so he never actually reacted much. Uh, it it served more like a concern for him. He didn't understand much what was happening. He just asked what was the buzz about. His people asked me. I said, well, there was this piece, you know, I I checked it. The New York Times stands for that. That's it. So they they had just the concern what was what was happening. But it was twenty nineteen before Biden came to power.

• 1:31:15Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  To be frank, yeah, I know that for Americans, it's a big story about corruption. Um, for me as a Ukrainian, I still cannot understand what would have happened that Biden administration would allow Zelensky to continue this war.

• 1:31:33Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 1:31:35Speaker 02

  It's just like, it's very hard to talk because you don't understand what's happening, really. When people are being hunted by drones, when people wake up to death and destruction, when they're being abandoned, when they're being searched by law enforcement of their own country, when they don't have heat, or light, or water, when they have no almost money, and they have no help, and they're not heard, and they cannot leave their country. It's such a trap, and this has been happening for four years of a large scale, and for many, for 12 years. And the only solution that is being presented today is just to say that Putin is a monster.

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  Well, maybe he is. His army's doing terrible things. But here is the point: keeping just offending Putin, we reach nothing. And my point is, we need to do something as the country. We need to do something to start taking the decisions. We need to start putting people first. And what I see from Zelensky is just, yes, I'm taking care about the people. Yes, people are first, and then always there is "but". And after this "but", there is the whole bunch of misleading information.

• 1:33:03Speaker 02

  I don't believe that President Zelensky is really very constructive, let's say so. I believe he has some kind of mental challenges. And so, when I'm thinking about his meeting with Biden, who, as has been proved by Alex Thompson and Jake Tapper, had really already mental problems, I'm thinking, where did this world come to? That there is one person leader with mental challenges, and another person with mental challenges, actually deciding on the fate of the 40 million nation, or 37 million nation? You see?

• 1:33:46Speaker 02

  I just don't believe that Ukraine is just being destroyed. I believe that Ukraine is in the world of extinction. We have huge brain drain, enormous problems with the demography.

• 1:34:01Speaker 02

  Do you know that that was the Ukrainian who actually made the program to send the first person to space, Yuri Gagarin? Now, children in Kharkiv region in the fourth grade cannot read. You see, my nation is being deteriorating.

• 1:34:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:34:20Speaker 02

  So there is no but in this case. People either go first, or they go first and then but, but, but, but, but, a lot of conditions, why not to stop this war? And you ask me why all those think tankers and journalists come to Ukraine? I think they come to every country, and they were interested in the relations with Russia. But unfortunately, there is this, I think, absolutely destructive contribution to very unhealthy nationalism that has become a shield for the beneficiary group in the country.

• 1:34:56Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, of course, that's, of course, happens every time. I just know a lot of the policymakers in the United States who promoted this war, and I think that some of them wanted to destroy Ukraine. I think that, I'm sorry to say that.

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  It's very inhuman, the propaganda that we hear, it's very inhuman, it's very cynical. I mentioned to you this stuff about Russia is collapsing. This is like already a Twitter joke. Russia is collapsing for the fourth year in a row. Mark Rutter said a few weeks ago that Russia in super bad shape, you need like three, four months of war more to win. Where does he come from that? Tell this to a Ukrainian who is dying, tell this to the mother who buried her son or child, tell this to a father who lost three children and wife under shelling. It's impossible to explain to the people how politicians come up with the conditions

• 1:35:54Speaker 02

  to justify this absolutely unjustified war.

• 1:35:58Tucker Carlson?

  Because it's not their country and they don't care. It's evil, I couldn't agree more.

• 1:36:03Speaker 02

  Many Ukrainians believe this already, many Ukrainians.

• 1:36:06Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they're correct.

• 1:36:07Speaker 02

  And again, I'm not justifying Putin here, okay?

• 1:36:10Tucker Carlson?

  It's nothing, I agree.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  It's just like repeating that he is a monster, it doesn't help the situation.

• 1:36:15Tucker Carlson?

  No, I agree. It's like telling us that Iran's gonna get a nuclear weapon in three weeks, you know, telling us that for 25 years, at a certain point, I don't believe you. So you have asked to end with a message to the Russians, to Vladimir Putin, Russian president, in Russian. And, of course, I can't understand Russian. So, but you've done us, I think, us, the United States, a great service by this interview. And so I would be happy to turn it over to you to speak directly in Russian to the Russian president.

• 1:36:49Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:36:50Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:36:51Speaker 02

  It's actually quite a moving moment. So I look there.

• 1:36:56Tucker Carlson?

  Look there.

• 1:36:57Speaker 02

  Владимир Владимирович, у меня нет вашего жизненного опыта, и я не понимаю, как вы видите этот мир. Но я не представитель НАТО, я не представитель Запада, и не работаю на Зеленского, я не политический оппонент, я вообще вам не угроза. Я украинская женщина из украинского провинциального города Херсона.

• 1:37:37Speaker 02

  Вы говорите, что вы человек Бога, но то, что происходит в Украине, не имеет ничего общего с Богом, не имеет ничего общего с человечностью. Вы говорите, что вы хотите мира. Это единственное, что можно сегодня сделать правильным. Мир — это единственная возможная вещь, которая сделает победителями Украину и Россию. В этой войне нету победителя, нету. Обе страны проигрывают славяне, убивают славян. Я из Херсона.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Я думаю, что ваша армия рассказывает вам только благородные вещи, только о победах. Но в Херсоне происходит дроновое сафари на людей. И может быть, вы думаете, что это западная пропаганда? Ну, есть народная правда.

• 1:38:42Speaker 02

  В больнице моей мамы работала медсестра, она шла домой, она разговаривала по телефону и русский дрон ее ранил и повредил телефон. Она истекла кровью просто возле дороги. В этом году другая медсестра приехала домой в село, где я росла, в Херсонской области. Она приехала из дня рождения внука, вышла из машины, русский дрон ее убил. Недавно мы видели видео, эвакуировали стариков.

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  Боже, как они падали на снег, ошарашенные этим взрывом, в крови старики. В Херсоне, прифронтовых территориях Украины остались старики и самые немощные люди, у которых нету денег, чтобы выехать. Ваша армия сама постит видео о том, как она охотится на людей дронами. Но должны же быть какие-то пределы человечности. Один ваш указ, один ваш указ может это остановить. Вы говорите, что вы хотите мира, но если вы это остановите, вам ничего за это не будет,

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  даже никто "спасибо" вам не скажет. Но люди-то будут знать. Когда наступит мир, я надеюсь, я молюсь каждый день, чтобы наступил мир. Когда он наступит, нам придется всем восстанавливать человеческое лицо. И почему бы вам не начать делать это сейчас? Вы ходите в церковь, вы молитесь? Ну когда-то придется объяснить богу, почему ваша армия охотится на немощных, на старых, на бедных людей. Это что? Война с НАТО? Это что? Война с Западом? Что это? Как это объяснить?

• 1:40:44Speaker 02

  Если вы действительно хотите мира, одно ваше слово, одно ваше слово и вот эта вот дроновая сафари остановится. И пускай никто вам не скажет "спасибо", но люди теперь будут знать. Мир - это единственное, единственное возможное решение сегодня для сильных.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  Я не знаю, услышите ли вы меня,

• 1:41:18Speaker 02

  но это нужно прекратить. Это зашло слишком далеко, это бесчеловечно, это так цинично, это так гадко и низко.

• 1:41:30Speaker 02

  Вы можете это остановить.

• 1:41:34Speaker 02

  I don't know if you will hear me.

• 1:41:37Speaker 02

  It's, you know, I'm actually grateful that I didn't cry so much. I usually cry so much when I'm talking about the war.

• 1:41:48Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I appreciate everything you've done, and I hope this is widely seen.

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  Well, thank you very much for giving me the platform and for allowing to have this frank conversation. I feel like I took a lot from myself and that my silence could be a contribution to this war, but now I feel like I did something real and good. Thank you.

• 1:42:10Tucker Carlson?

  I think you did. Thanks very much.

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  Thank you.