Unlikely Tow Vehicle; Kona Review; McLaren's Money Problems

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:43Matt Farah?

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• 1:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, we have some things to talk about today.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  Good morning.

• 1:30Matt Farah?

  I'm a little stressed out. I thought, because I'm here in Los Angeles for like, two and a half weeks, that I'd have time to like, chill a little bit, you know? No.

• 1:40Speaker 01

  We did the calendar yesterday, and like, oh, that's a, there's so many colors on my calendar this week. So many different things.

• 1:45Matt Farah?

  This week, yeah, and then like, what the, how did it get so full? It's like, it's certainly not like, a complaint, because we have an awesome job. What we get to do for work is real cool, but like, it's crazy that, you know, I could be gone for like, a whole week, working. Like, like, long days, like, fun, not appreciative, like, but like, but like,

• 2:09Matt Farah?

  as far as the other job is concerned, you might as well have been on vacation. You know what I mean? Like, there's no difference, but even though your body is like, "No, no, I was working, I swear", the other job is like, "But you weren't here. What's the difference? If you were at work, you weren't fucking here."

• 2:28Speaker 01

  Time stood still here. Yeah, even though it progressed for you, over there.

• 2:33Matt Farah?

  Um, but no, you shouldn't feel bad for me, because I, while I was on that trip, I was talking to like, Fred, and Aaron Brown, and a lot of the guys who write a lot of the web stuff for Road and Track, the younger guys, that are like, in their late twenties and early thirties. And, uh, you know, it's funny, because Nick, I, do you know how many stories I'd start with these guys and go, start back in the day? Like, so many. Every story is like, "You guys, back in the day."

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Because I'm like, 20 years older than you do now.

• 3:04Matt Farah?

  I'm so old. I tell stories that are, that are just like, shit we did in the early days of the Smoking Tire, and they look at me like, "That's crazy."

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was.

• 3:16Matt Farah?

  But they, and I look, but they tell me stories about what it was like to be like, a blogger during the like, collapse of Gawker, you know, like, during the, during the like, "Who actually owns Jalopnik now" era?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  When Hulk Hogan just walked in and hit his penis against all the computers.

• 3:33Matt Farah?

  And I think it was Fred, he said he applied to be like, a weekend editor at Jalopnik, and they were gonna hire him, and he wanted to do like, a, um, like, a test weekend, you know, to see if he could, you know, and they want the, the, they wanted like, 14 articles a day? For like, two days? And I was like, "I'm sorry, what? Like, how is that possible?"

• 4:00Speaker 01

  I mean, the length, they're short, but still.

• 4:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if he said blogs, not articles, but like, but still.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  Still. It's like, two an hour, effectively.

• 4:08Matt Farah?

  Dude, that's crazy.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  30 minutes to write a post, that, you know, you gotta fact check quickly.

• 4:13Matt Farah?

  Find something interesting.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  High output.

• 4:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  For context, when I got offered a job at Car and Driver, like, in 2011, I think, uh, they required six posts a day, for web. So, half that.

• 4:26Matt Farah?

  Even that, that's a lot.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  It's pretty good amount, especially depending on the length, and fact checking, and all that stuff. And it has to be really buttoned up, so, doubling that is aggressive.

• 4:37Matt Farah?

  You have to like, find a thing, and then have an opinion on it, and then compose that into, that's a, that's a hard thing. It's probably not hard to do for like, a couple of days, but that's probably really hard to do at the end of week one. By day five, you're like, "I can't do this." I bet by week, if you got to week seven or eight, you'd figure out a way.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a muscle. My writing muscle has always been very slow and weak, because everything I've ever done had no deadline. But then I look at people like, these guys, where that used to work at, the guys at Octopian or something, and they just, they get an assignment, they crank the thing out, and it's not perfect, I would say, but, you know, it's just, it is what it is.

• 5:20Matt Farah?

  Logging, right? Logging doesn't need to be, you know, need to be perfect. It just needs to be there. Good enough is good enough, my friends. That's not to say that these folks who write for Road and Track don't do great work. I'm just, but they're not asked to do that kind of output now, at Road and Track.

• 5:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 5:34Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah, crazy, right? But we used, dude, I made a video, I made five videos a week for three years.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:42Matt Farah?

  That's a lot. Fucking Schme. Is he still going? Is he still going?

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Does he still do daily videos?

• 5:47Matt Farah?

  Is he still doing seven days? If he is, that's nuts. Take a fucking vacation, Tim. What are you doing? You're rich, buddy. Chill. If he's, yeah, when he, he's, when he hits 35, he's gonna go, this is.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  He's gotta be 35, is he not?

• 6:04Matt Farah?

  I don't, I don't know, he's pretty young.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  I think he's close, I mean, he's 35.

• 6:08Matt Farah?

  Nah, wait, latest, one, one month ago.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  Ah, he took vacation.

• 6:13Matt Farah?

  Has he taken it, did he take, uh, is he, did he use summer as a verb?

• 6:18Speaker 01

  But it should be said, "One month ago, he did five videos." So, so not one a day anymore.

• 6:23Matt Farah?

  Okay, good. Good for him, good. Slow it down, buddy. Enjoy your life a little bit.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's slowed down a lot.

• 6:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're, yeah, but he, for a very, very long time. "Oh, my wife, did they get married?" Good for him. I didn't see that. Surprising my wife with her dream, looks like a 9/11.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  It does, it looks like a 964.

• 6:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, of some, of some kind. Good for him, Tim. Represent.

• 6:46Speaker 01

  He's, wow, his thumbnails are.

• 6:48Matt Farah?

  His, I, you know, I was, I watched him shoot those in Vegas, I would tell you that? When we did the Aston Martin Vegas F1 track thing together, this is where I really got respect for this guy. I used to not have respect for him, and, but I got respect for him at this Vegas thing. Watching, watching his work ethic was like, amazing. And now I have a lot of respect for him. And, uh, watching him do his thumbnail routine.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Oh, the faces.

• 7:16Matt Farah?

  Was hilarious. It was one of the funniest. I'm sitting in the DBX, and I'm looking in my rearview mirror, and he's behind me in front of his DBX doing it, and it's a, it's clearly a rehearsed routine.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 7:33Matt Farah?

  That's maybe like, 20 or 30 poses. And it's like, bang, bang, bang. It's Zoolander shit. It was unbelievable to watch. I was dying in the car.

• 7:44Speaker 01

  It's one of those things where when you see them, see someone doing it in real life, it looks ridiculous. You know why they're doing it.

• 7:50Matt Farah?

  But then, I mean, look, all these, all these photos, look at this, look at Schme's thing. All those photos, imagine he did every one of those poses consecutively to a camera.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  But then when you look at the catalog, you go, "Yeah, this is the YouTube world." But when you see how the sausage is made, it looks very funny.

• 8:07Matt Farah?

  Dude, Ken Block and Brian Scotto invented this, and if, and, you know, Thad said, "To watch Ken do it was even crazier." Like, yeah.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  The sunglasses were genius.

• 8:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, Ken was the, was the king of this. He actually invented it. But like, but it is, I mean, imagine Tim standing there in front of a car, and making every one of these poses in order, and would you actually, I've never seen them in a grid like this, but that is literally what I watched him do. You could just, you could make a flipbook of this, and it would be the thing he did in front of a car. It's very funny.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  This is telling me how, uh, like, how old school our thumbnails are, because he's using, you know, AI and Photoshop to make like, Ferraris on fire. And we're like, "Let's put it in front of a bush."

• 8:52Matt Farah?

  No, but like, Throttlehouse's thumbnails are even more basic than ours, and them kids get fucking all the views, so. You know, to eat, to each their own. But, shout out to Tim, and his, and his blue button-down shirts. Glad he took a vacation. That's nice, that's nice to see. I thought he was, oh, maybe. Yeah.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Been a month.

• 9:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I thought he was, I thought he was gonna be on the eternal grind, and I was like, "His head is going to explode eventually."

• 9:19Speaker 01

  I mean, it'd be funny if three months we check in, it's still the same videos, and he just goes, "You know what? Just quiet, just Irish goodbye to the YouTube universe."

• 9:26Matt Farah?

  Well, that's what you do. You never, you, making a video where I announced that I wouldn't be making five videos a week anymore was a big fucking mistake. Just, just putting that out there.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Everyone leaves the restaurant, they go, "Oh, alright."

• 9:40Matt Farah?

  Guess what? That's a dumb thing. But yeah, fucking Tim went back to his room in Vegas, 2:15 AM, after lapping the track, and edited a video for the next day. And me and Aston Martin's racing division went straight to the bar. So, difference between me and Tim, so.

• 9:59Speaker 01

  Different, different ways to live.

• 10:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, I'm looking at that like we're going to questions. No, no, we're far from that. Uh, let's see. So I had a fun news story that, uh, that was on my list for so long, it's not true anymore. Uh, because McLaren was offering 0% financing on Arturas, but only during the month of September. And for a minute I was like, hang on. It was, it was, uh, it was no money down, $7,000 a month.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 10:29Matt Farah?

  For, uh, I guess that would have been 36 bucks.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Well, they, didn't they end, they announced they're ending their hybrid division? Like, aren't they stopping development of the Artura?

• 10:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. The, the replacement I've heard will not be a hybrid.

• 10:43Speaker 01

  And it, well, I also, I don't think we've done a show since they announced they're gonna do an SUV.

• 10:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  And so one of the questions going around is like, are they gonna build their own tub? Is it gonna be a carbon SUV tub? Are they gonna partner with somebody?

• 10:55Matt Farah?

  Talk about.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  And will this, like, I feel like they keep getting a new loan. They keep getting so much money.

• 11:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  Like, I don't understand.

• 11:04Matt Farah?

  They're the open AI of car make.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  It doesn't, I don't get it, cause their, their F1 team's doing well, and their cars are like, the, some of the best supercars ever made. Like, they're all great.

• 11:15Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  And yet, they keep needing new injections of capital. And I understand, I don't know how their business is run.

• 11:21Matt Farah?

  Capitalism, dude. You don't know how capitalism works. With capitalism, you can't just do a thing. You have to have growth, big growth. And so you can't just be a company that makes two or three cars.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Well, Pagani can, but.

• 11:36Matt Farah?

  Well, you can if you're only making 50 cars a year.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:40Matt Farah?

  Then you can. And if you just like, take your old cars back and turn them into new cars again, then you can be, then you can do that. But like.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  It would be, it would be interesting, and I guess we could, we could probably call McLaren and ask for a comment, like, are they all, are they already making $500 million a year profit, but they need a million, or a billion, sorry, and that's why they want a SUV? Is it about growth, or are they in trouble again?

• 12:06Matt Farah?

  I mean, well, it, it could certainly be either in the case of this company. But in the case of many other companies, it is just about, you know, more next growth, you know, follow, you know, Porsche used to, was making like, one car.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:25Matt Farah?

  You know, for a long time, or two. You know, they, they'd have the, the 924 and the 911, really. They're making two versions of a car, maybe three, and they were all sports cars, right? But the Cayenne showed people that people would, the Cayenne, the Urus showed a whole, you know, so many people that like, hang on a minute, that, this is not, this is, you know, that doesn't have to just mean sports cars anymore. And also the trafficification of our, you know, cities and commutes and everything. People want to say they drive a Lamborghini, but not really to commute in a Lamborghini.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  What's funny is that they don't, apparently don't wanna say that they drive a DBX, cause the sales on those are not very good compared to Urus. And maybe that's because it's got the Q8 underpinnings and it's just, I don't know, a better, more livable thing?

• 13:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Or is it a track, is it just cause Lambo has a bigger market?

• 13:18Matt Farah?

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• 19:07Matt Farah?

  show. Yeah. I mean, generally, you know, Lambos are much hotter selling across the board than Aston Martins are. You know, Aston Martin has to work a lot harder to make a sale than, than Lamborghini does.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:21Matt Farah?

  In any product. You know, the DBX being a non-platform shared vehicle is like, one of my favorite things about it, actually. It's like, one of the things that I think justifies some of its price point versus Benteke or, or Urus. Um, but, uh, yeah, I think, uh...

• 19:44Matt Farah?

  I think people uh don't, they don't get the same uh ego buzz by saying they drive a Aston Martin DBX versus saying they drive a Lambo, you know?

• 19:56Speaker 01

  You know what I just realized is that the exotic rental car companies around here, I don't ever see them with Aston Martins. Like I see Lambos all the time. In Gotham, we had Ferraris, like you have the poster car brands.

• 20:10Matt Farah?

  At Gotham, we had a couple, we actually had, we had two vanquishes, believe it or not.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  Back in New York?

• 20:15Matt Farah?

  Back in the day. And I think, I think when they eventually got um a couple of DB9s, they were never huge.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:25Matt Farah?

  It was, you know, with the rental, the rental car business is actually a great, a great indicator, you know, sometimes, although they were, they were wrong about the Ford GT, weren't they? But, but of what people are willing to pay for certain marks as, as a rental. And people would pay, you know, twenty-five hundred a day for a Lambo or for a Ferrari. Uh, they'd maybe pay like fifteen hundred a day for an Aston or a Bentley. Um, and, and most people who are kind of, you know, even me sometimes, it's gonna be Aston or Bentley, Aston or Bentley, you kind of go,

• 21:02Matt Farah?

  which would I rather own? And I kind of always just, the scale just sort of flops on Bentley most of the time, you know?

• 21:11Speaker 01

  I think I'd rather, if I was closing my eyes, I'd rather drive around in the Bentley. I mean, getting around it is one of the most, like just pleasurable experiences. It's just, everything is so good about it now, but Aston is just the way it looks. I mean, it's still, it still gets me. And the Bentley is a very good looking car, but it's just.

• 21:27Matt Farah?

  DBX is lovely.

• 21:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, DBX. Oh, you're talking about Benteke versus DBX?

• 21:32Matt Farah?

  Well, either, I mean, either, either. Pick a, pick a category, you know, either. Whether it's the GT and the, and the DB12. Would you go DB12 over GT? Dollar for dollar?

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, for a year.

• 21:50Matt Farah?

  For a year?

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:52Matt Farah?

  Okay. Zero percent, twelve months?

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think I would.

• 21:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 21:56Speaker 01

  I'd have to drive them side by side again, but I think I would.

• 21:59Matt Farah?

  I, I love the Astons, I do, but I would have to go Bentley. I just, I can't get enough of the, of a GT? That's my shit. That's the.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  They're so good at their job.

• 22:10Matt Farah?

  Straight up.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:11Matt Farah?

  They got a tow bar for them?

• 22:15Matt Farah?

  I was.

• 22:15Speaker 01

  Go ahead, show up at a tractor pull.

• 22:17Matt Farah?

  Listen, I was looking at, I could get, I mean, this is, here's some real wild car shit.

• 22:24Matt Farah?

  Cause you know, the trailer is, is arriving. It's like here. It's like being delivered this week.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Our enclosed trailer.

• 22:32Matt Farah?

  Enclosed trailer from Brian James, which we will talk much about once it has arrived. But uh, this is a really cool trailer, cause it's, it's an enclosed single car race, car race hauler, but it's from a company in the UK called Brian James. Actually, Schme has one, which he tows with a Maverick, I think.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 22:47Matt Farah?

  In England, they don't have a lot of hills, so Maverick is fine. We have, I have a big mountain between here and Willow Springs, so I can't, I can't use a Maverick. But I'm pretty sure Schme tows this fucking thing.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  He has a supercar trailer, he says.

• 23:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So that, anyway, that's it. So he's got one of these things. I guess he's towing it with a G squared now, which is, which is sort of hilarious. But for a while, I think he was towing it with a Maverick. Anyway, yeah, it, it looks like that. It's like an aerodynamic uh hauler that is designed, oh there, is that Maverick? That's a Maverick, right?

• 23:25Matt Farah?

  It looks like a Maverick?

• 23:26Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 23:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I think it's got a body kit on it.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, the front fenders look much wider than any I've seen.

• 23:31Matt Farah?

  Celine Maverick? What is that fucking thing? I don't know what it is, but it's a small pickup truck is the point. Uh, so this trailer is designed to be hauled by a regular SUV, not a giant half ton or, or three-quarter ton pickup truck, which is fucking cool. So I, I'm now on the hunt for an interesting vehicle that, you know, sort of like my, my typical ethos elsewhere, sort of like the, the, the, not something huge, right? Like that's the point of the trailer, and I don't want a fucking giant ass truck for a reason that I don't. So the Cayenne Hybrid in the lead, like a twenty-twenty-two, twenty-twenty-three CPO kind of thing, right? Sort of similar to the Taycan, that's in the lead.

• 24:16Matt Farah?

  But wildcard, there's a couple Benteke's with tow packages that are out there. And I'm just saying, we could be rolling in a Bentley regularly.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Really, a, a car channel of people.

• 24:37Matt Farah?

  I, this would be a sell the Taycan situation, though.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  Oh, so you, so it would become your new daily also?

• 24:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, pretty, pretty much.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  Cause it's gotta cost twice what a used Cayenne Hybrid costs.

• 24:49Matt Farah?

  Not, no. It does not. It's maybe thirty or forty percent more. Has to be a little older. We're not talking about a two-year-old. We're talking about a, a six-year-old maybe, but low, low, lowish miles.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 25:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. That's wildcard.

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:07Matt Farah?

  And I mean, it was, going to Pebble with that fucking thing was sweet.

• 25:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I think driving a Cayenne Hybrid would also be very, like, the seats are great, it's just, your eyebrows are saying everything.

• 25:20Matt Farah?

  But Hannah could, Hannah could be in a Bentley.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  She was before.

• 25:25Matt Farah?

  I know. And she liked it, but, but for the CarPlay.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Oh, right.

• 25:30Matt Farah?

  We have to make sure there's a appropriate CarPlay interface on any, you know, seven-year-old vehicle. Which there probably is. Probably unsure, but, but that's a, that could be a disqualifier, actually. I mean, that literally could be a disqualifier. They must have, they got it, but they charge a fucking fortune to retrofit an old Bentley with CarPlay.

• 25:52Speaker 01

  Twenty-nineteen Benteke came standard with wired Apple CarPlay, according to AI.

• 25:55Matt Farah?

  All right. Well, they're never wrong.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  I mean, look, I'm researching quickly.

• 26:00Matt Farah?

  I should just base a major financial purchase decision on that.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Okay, well.

• 26:03Matt Farah?

  No, no, they're probably right.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  Second opinion is that this company sells uh upgrade kits for the, for twenty-sixteen to twenty-nineteen Benteke. So maybe, which is the exact opposite of what AI said.

• 26:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  So um, do more research.

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  Okay. Anyway, I'm just saying, there are a couple, and they are five figures. They're not six figures. Could be interesting. I don't know.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  I don't know. It's, well, it's your money.

• 26:29Matt Farah?

  The downside of them is that they're W12s. They're not V8s. They're W12s.

• 26:35Speaker 01

  Let me text, let me text the guy that runs the exotic tech place in Arizona.

• 26:40Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Cause he worked on those a lot.

• 26:42Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  And he will probably scream into the phone.

• 26:45Matt Farah?

  All right. If he's, if he says no, then we don't do that. Okay. We don't, we don't want these kinds of problems.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, I'll find out. I'll find out.

• 26:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So anyway, just saying, they're, they're there. They are there. And they have, they, they don't have like, a bunch of these have a pretty low miles, you know? There's like a lot of like sub-twenty-five-thousand mile, five or six-year-old Benteke's around. Yeah, yeah. Throw some tires on it, take it to fucking Charlie. It'd be nice to go to Charlie again.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  You could just visit and have lunch. That's the most expensive, like, friend visit probably ever. I mean, you could fly halfway around the world to see somebody. It's cheaper.

• 27:25Matt Farah?

  Would I service my Porsche? Like, I have lunch with Batim? Like, that's when I, that's like when I have lunch with people, is when I take the car.

• 27:32Speaker 01

  That makes sense for you. Uh, yeah, you could just go say hi to Charlie.

• 27:35Matt Farah?

  I could.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  I'll tell you what, I will drive you there for ten thousand dollars. And it will cost less than you buying a Benteke and then servicing it.

• 27:46Matt Farah?

  You're right. It would. It would.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Speaking of driving you places, uh.

• 27:51Matt Farah?

  Driving me places?

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Well, I drove my car today, cause I gave you the Prius.

• 27:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Started on the first try, no problem. However, none of the gauges turned on.

• 27:59Matt Farah?

  Oh, no. Oh, no.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  I, I was like, car's running and I'm like spaced out and I hit the thing and I look up and I go, and no tech, like no lights, no, no fuel gauge. I go, and I literally had to look back and go, the car's on. I hear it. And so I just Google, is this a thing? Of course it's a thing. There's like a, a fuse that, you know, controls the whole gauge panel.

• 28:23Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  So it probably, hopefully, is a.

• 28:26Matt Farah?

  Is it an easily accessible fuse?

• 28:28Speaker 01

  That's, I'm not sure about, cause there's a couple fuse locations, and so that will determine if I fix it immediately or in like three weeks, when I'm, you know, feeling a little better.

• 28:37Matt Farah?

  No gauges at all?

• 28:38Speaker 01

  None. And dude, I drove here, it was as if I had, like.

• 28:42Matt Farah?

  Flying blind.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Put a new gauge in, but hadn't plugged it in yet, cause it's a project car. Flying blind. And, you know, pull up, and BMW, like, you get to the stop sign and like the idle drops and you always watch the tech. I always watch the tech. But I couldn't.

• 28:55Matt Farah?

  Just to be sure it actually stops.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Cause remember, my car used to turn off all the time, cause of like all the plug problems? So I'm just flying blind, no instruments, you know, just visual.

• 29:05Matt Farah?

  You want the Prius back tonight?

• 29:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 29:07Matt Farah?

  You sure?

• 29:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cause, uh, that actually gets picked up tomorrow.

• 29:11Matt Farah?

  I know. I was gonna, well, I'm gonna take the, the other car home for that reason.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, cause then we have to go to Willow Springs. No, no, no. My car's here now. It'll make it back. It was just. What kind of car turns on, but the gauges don't turn on?

• 29:26Matt Farah?

  What did Sarah say about it?

• 29:27Speaker 01

  I just want a car that uh won't break down just from being driven.

• 29:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 29:32Speaker 01

  That's when, yeah, perfectly said.

• 29:35Matt Farah?

  She, can we put that on a T-shirt?

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:37Matt Farah?

  That's a pretty good shirt, actually.

• 29:40Matt Farah?

  Should we talk about the Prius or that Kona thing?

• 29:43Speaker 01

  Let's talk about the Kona thing.

• 29:44Matt Farah?

  The Kona?

• 29:45Speaker 01

  And we'll do...

• 29:46Matt Farah?

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• 30:25Matt Farah?

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• 31:06Matt Farah?

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• 31:49Matt Farah?

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• 32:33Matt Farah?

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• 33:16Matt Farah?

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• 33:35Speaker 01

  This is the 2026 Kona Limited.

• 33:39Matt Farah?

  The color of it is insane. It looks like, it literally looks like an Urus from this, from this angle.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  It kinda, it's Timu Urus for sure.

• 33:51Matt Farah?

  Especially that little bowtie bit in the back.

• 33:56Matt Farah?

  But with this color and that cut in the door, it's, it's real Urissy.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Well, Hyundai of Los Angeles just calls that color yellow.

• 34:05Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  But I'm sure it's got a longer name. It is, it is highlighter yellow. Highlighter green, it's exactly highlighter green.

• 34:13Matt Farah?

  Is it like, here's the problem, colorblind, blah here, represent for all of you. Is it, this is gonna be the latest craze on the internet, like the gold, black, whatever dress. Is this yellow or green?

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 34:25Matt Farah?

  Like, I couldn't fucking tell you.

• 34:28Speaker 01

  I truly, I truly think if you take a traditional yellow highlighter, the one that existed before all others.

• 34:36Matt Farah?

  The one that smells real good, especially if you take those deep breaths.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Take that one, but then take the green one that came out a few years later. It's that color. Or it's safety vest green. You know, it is, it's construction vest green. It is visible in the dark, like during an eclipse. I mean, this thing is so bright.

• 34:56Matt Farah?

  It's very bright.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  So the quick and dirty, it's got a 1.6-liter turbocharged engine. It's not an EV. It's got an 8-speed dual-clutch. Some of the other lower trims have a CVT. And this has all-wheel drive, which is optional across all engines, or you can go front-wheel drive. Price is pretty low. These things start at $27,000, which is not bad. This one, which had heated cooled seats.

• 35:22Matt Farah?

  cooled seats?

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. It had like everything and it was 36 grand.

• 35:26Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's pretty good.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  And it's got like 190 horsepower.

• 35:29Matt Farah?

  You need cooled seats since we now have a permanent heat wave in Los Angeles.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  We did, last year or last week, it was like 107 degrees or something.

• 35:37Matt Farah?

  Dude, it was 103 here in my house two days ago, which is craziness.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Yes. It has not been that hot where we live, I think, since we moved here.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  So that was really handy. What else?

• 35:50Matt Farah?

  The wheels are kinda cool. I don't hate the wheels.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  Wheels aren't bad. Wheels have some personality.

• 35:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Speaker 01

  Despite having 200 horsepower and a turbocharger, it is slow. It is 0.67 in 0.5 seconds, which I think is slower than the Prius we have right now. I think that's like 7.2.

• 36:06Matt Farah?

  The Prius isn't bad.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  It's pretty quick, right?

• 36:08Matt Farah?

  Prius is pretty, I do not mind this Prius at all. We can, we'll go talk about the Prius after. It's a real, it's a really elitist day here on the show.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Well, no, we're trying to, I'm trying to fill the gap. You're talking about buying used Bentleys because Cayenne's aren't nice enough, so I'm over here.

• 36:25Matt Farah?

  That's, maybe you could buy a used Bentley for less than the price of this Kona.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  A used Bentley, yes.

• 36:31Matt Farah?

  I did.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  A Benteke.

• 36:32Matt Farah?

  I already have.

• 36:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 36:33Matt Farah?

  I already did buy a Bentley for less than the price of this Kona. The Turbo R was 20 grand.

• 36:37Speaker 01

  I know, we're talking about Benteke though.

• 36:39Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:40Matt Farah?

  If you bought a 20 grand Benteke, God help you.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  It's a decoration.

• 36:46Matt Farah?

  When it stops working, just leave it and walk away.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 36:50Matt Farah?

  Okay, go on.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  So it only gets 29 miles per gallon highway, which is not great these days compared to a lot of other cars, but it is a very cheap car. So what's nice about this thing is, like so many of Hyundai's products, it's really, really comfortable and really well-appointed for like no money.

• 37:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  And after getting out of the Golf R the week before, this has all the buttons. Everything in here is a button. It's like, it's like I had three pianos in front of me, you know, and I was a backup singer for like Muse.

• 37:19Matt Farah?

  This photo that you have, which you're sitting in the, with your back, how did you fucking get this? Sitting in the middle of the backseat looking forward, I really like the design of this car. Like, it's clean, it's like, it's not minimalist, but just the shit that's there is there. The shit that needs to be there has a nice, easy-to-read button. The shape and design of the steering wheel, I really like. I love the, that shelf on the passenger dashboard, right there. The Nissan Pao, Hannah's Pao has that. That's the shit.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Dude, R4 has that?

• 37:55Matt Farah?

  That's very useful.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  That's where my phone goes when I'm riding shotgun.

• 37:58Matt Farah?

  Super useful.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  I'm really impressed.

• 38:00Matt Farah?

  I like the design of this car.

• 38:00Speaker 01

  With how, like, how economical they were. Like, there's a lot of buttons, but it doesn't take up every single surface. Like, there's still storage here and here and here. Like, there's plenty of storage in the middle of the car despite there also being lots of buttons and things to press in the car.

• 38:18Matt Farah?

  It is whack, though, that they use the Ioniq 5. That, that shifter stinks. The, I'm not a key, but I act like a key shifter.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  The 1x4 hidden behind the wheel.

• 38:32Matt Farah?

  1x4, yeah.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  It's like a plank of wood and you twist it forward to go forward and it is a weird thing.

• 38:38Matt Farah?

  You should have seen Hannah. So, you know, Hannah's gotta go to, Hannah's gotta go to Colorado for work like once or twice a month and, and she flies into Denver and rents a, rents a car. And her priority, for the most part, is, does the car have Sirius? And, you know, they're all on the free trial for the six months. So she, she pokes around different cars to find one where the Sirius is good. Once she had it deactivated during her fucking loan, she was so bummed. But, you know, sometimes she arrives at night, it's kinda dark, whatever. She just last week was there and got a Hyundai. She's like, do you know how long it took me to put this fucking thing in drive? Like, she couldn't, she, once you're shown it, you go, okay.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  I know, I know.

• 39:23Matt Farah?

  If you're not shown that, you will, you will punch the dashboard for 25 minutes until you figure out how to put this car.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  It's like the volume control in the Alpine 110. Remember, we couldn't find it for five minutes. Because if you're the wrong height, it is behind the wheel, totally obscured, and you will not see it.

• 39:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to be shown how to do this.

• 39:43Matt Farah?

  It kinda makes sense when someone points out where it is.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 39:45Matt Farah?

  But, but until then, just...

• 39:48Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a column shifter, but it's so, you know, three inches lower.

• 39:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's weird. But I do really like the interior, the rest of this interior.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  And this, this is like the right amount of screen for me. You know, they keep it low, so it's not blocking the dashboard. But it has enough, enough space where I can actually see the navigation and it's not too big.

• 40:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Ride's pretty good, pretty soft, bigger bumps. You get like the secondary bouncing, which is not great, but like around town, it's actually really, really comfortable. And thing is crazy spacious. It fits like seven carry-ons in the trunk, which is more than it has seats. Oh, and I can sit behind myself. And when I was sitting in the front seat, I was like gangster lean, post-surgery recovery, and I could still had plenty of room. So it's a pretty spacious thing. But it is slow and the programming for the 8-speed is weird. Like, I would slow down to, you know, to turn right at a red light, get down like 2 miles per hour, and it would stay in second or shift to second. And then I'd try to accelerate and it's like...

• 40:49Speaker 01

  It just, it doesn't go down to one.

• 40:50Matt Farah?

  It wouldn't go to first?

• 40:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 40:51Matt Farah?

  It only goes to first when you're stopped?

• 40:53Speaker 01

  I think so. It's just, the gearing is way too tall for this engine and like...

• 40:58Matt Farah?

  That's so funny. It's like Hellcat gearing?

• 41:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:02Matt Farah?

  We gotta deal on the Hellcat ratio, so like...

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Try to raise those MPG's.

• 41:07Matt Farah?

  It's got 200 horsepower and it's geared out to 215 miles an hour.

• 41:11Speaker 01

  It's really, yeah, yeah. This thing is topped out at 210 if you put like three more engines in it.

• 41:15Matt Farah?

  Yo Hyundai, hit me up. Let's run a Bonneville team. Kona.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  We should, if they drop it down to the ground.

• 41:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you see Slater.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  I mean, obviously like the looks are very subjective, but I just, there are so many shapes on the outside. And then the body cladding, the body cladding looks like it's eating the car. But then I took this to Spike's show and Johnny was there with a new Outback. And the body cladding has now reached the roof.

• 41:39Matt Farah?

  Dude.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  So it is like, it's like the...

• 41:41Matt Farah?

  It's on the roof?

• 41:41Speaker 01

  It goes all the way up the back bumper and then up the C pillar and to the roof. I go, alright, you just, it fell in a tar pit. You know, it's like venom when it's being eaten by the symbiote.

• 41:51Matt Farah?

  My very good homie for, for, for my whole life, like since I was a baby, is now, is the owner of this dealer now in New Jersey. Shout out to him. Town Porsche, Englewood, uh, Town Audi of Englewood, New Jersey. And Town Subaru, the franchise, Porsche, Audi, Subaru. It's a good, it's a good franchises to have going on. Shout out to Ted. And I, he just, you know, he's always, when I see him, he's just got, you know, one of whatever. Like it's, he's not, he's not like a super fancy guy, so it's usually like a Subaru. Um, and man, he rolled up in the new Outback and I was like, "Bro, what, what the, what happened?"

• 42:36Matt Farah?

  They, the Outback is now the Hyundai Santa Fe.

• 42:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:40Matt Farah?

  What, what are you doing? Like, what are we doing here? Like you, that is a cra- and he essentially, uh, was like, "I know, I don't really like how it looks either, but we're selling a lot of them." He goes, "Customers love them." He goes, "'Cause underneath, they're kind of the same as before and they're cheap."

• 43:01Speaker 01

  It's just, it's like they merged the Outback and the Forester. But look, yeah, see, look, the cladding on the back with like, and there's so much texture. It's almost like there's handles on the rocker panel.

• 43:10Matt Farah?

  Hubby B, from the door handles up, that's a 4Runner.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  Oh, very good, yes. It's a lot of 4Runner.

• 43:17Matt Farah?

  That's a full 4Runner greenhouse.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  And then this little badge is very Land Rover.

• 43:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  That's definitely taken from them, but like, what?

• 43:24Matt Farah?

  But pull up a picture of the Forester, which is still a, still a car. The Forester actually is the less weird looking one now. Remember when this Forester first came out? And they were like, "It's like a, it's like an Outback, but weird looking." We, when the Forester first came out, that was a weird looking car. I was there. It, everybody was like, "What, what is this thing?" It was a strange looking car. They just not have, now, oh yeah, look, now the Forester is like actually much more normal looking crossover than they have that.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  The rest of the world caught up to it. That's what happened.

• 44:00Matt Farah?

  Leapfrogged, one might say.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:02Matt Farah?

  This, what is up with this website?

• 44:04Speaker 01

  I don't know, man, this is Subaru's website.

• 44:06Matt Farah?

  They're so ashamed of the Forester, they won't like show it on the website? Like the Forester looks like your RAV4. It looks like, it looks like all the other crossovers. You know what I mean?

• 44:16Speaker 01

  A lot of people are going angular, like the new RAV4 is much more, like longer hood, more, it's, it's taken from the Land Cruiser and the 4Runner design.

• 44:25Matt Farah?

  Alright, we veered off, but final thoughts on the Kona, Zach?

• 44:29Speaker 01

  I mean, it's really comfortable, but, uh, and then the math I did was, you know, these days like we look at EVs a lot. So the, the Volvo EX30 I had the week before, costs like 12 grand more than this thing.

• 44:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but it wasn't good.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  It was bad. This, this did everything right that that car did poorly. The tech, the comfort, all of that stuff. But even with gas prices the way they are right now, you'd have to drive the Kona for like, what did I say? Four years before it starts to even out. And you'd be uncomfortable in the Volvo the entire time. But this thing, I don't know, we need, I think I need to drive more normal cars because the fact that the Prius feels quicker than the Kona does, uh, and is a hybrid and gets way better miles per gallon. And there's so many other options out there like Camry Hybrid or probably Corolla Cross or Corolla Hybrid. Like I want to try those things because all of them get better highway miles per gallon than the Kona.

• 45:21Matt Farah?

  Do they still make the Kona N? Cause there, cause a couple of years ago, I drove a Kona N that was, you know, in a Lontra and in a Kona body.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  They stopped in 23.

• 45:33Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay.

• 45:33Speaker 01

  That car was fun.

• 45:34Matt Farah?

  It was fun.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  It was quick.

• 45:35Matt Farah?

  It was, it kind of ripped. And, and there's an electric Kona as well that I think has some juice.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  There's also a new, Johnny's pointing a contention against this because he was like, "Why not just get an EV?" And I was like, "Well, they're more expensive." But now there's a Kia EV3 that just came out and starts at 29 grand. That's crazy cheap.

• 45:53Matt Farah?

  What does it look like? It's like, I imagine it's a crossover of sorts.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Yes, it is. Uh, it looks like...

• 46:05Speaker 01

  Processing, processing.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 46:10Matt Farah?

  Does it look cool?

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Uh, I mean, that's a subjective question, but...

• 46:15Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  It looks like their EV9, right?

• 46:19Matt Farah?

  Like a shrunken down version of their other, yeah, okay. I mean, you know, don't, I don't, I don't, I don't love it, but it's not like offensive.

• 46:27Speaker 01

  No, it's just, I was shocked at how cheap it is. I mean, obviously you option it up and then it's going to be creepy up there. But I think...

• 46:33Matt Farah?

  I know where this photo was shot.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  I think the TLDR on Hyundai stuff, as always, is like, it's really comfortable inside. It gives you way more tech and other stuff, you know, for the money than other companies do. And they execute interior as well, but the exterior stuff is like, is always a fever dream, so.

• 46:55Matt Farah?

  Uh, alright, that is the goods. Do we want to talk about the Prius or do you want to...

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Let's save it because I want to do research on its sales versus its brethren.

• 47:06Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  37 minutes.

• 47:07Matt Farah?

  Uh, in other news, the Taycan will be done today.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Oh shit.

• 47:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:14Speaker 01

  Oh wow.

• 47:14Matt Farah?

  This afternoon, end of day today, which, how many days is it from July 26th until October 6th? Uh, a bunch. That is many days. Uh, and, and...

• 47:28Speaker 01

  72.

• 47:29Matt Farah?

  72 days down. Fuck, that stinks. And, uh, you know, they found yesterday, just yesterday, that the backup camera was also broken. And they, fortunately, the part was in stock and they got it, you know, fixed last minute. But that extra bit, that one part, just like this, just, boom, punted the bill over 40. It was like 39.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  Across the goal line.

• 48:00Matt Farah?

  It was like 39, six something. And this cam, the backup camera, just boop. And now it's like 40,300.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  It's like a, it's like an auction.

• 48:10Matt Farah?

  Dude, for the smallest accident, like it's, that's crazy that, that an accident that small resulted in a repair bill that big.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  I agree. I also think, and as I said to you yesterday, like the fact that they, that the shop didn't discover the backup camera and other things in their initial or secondary inspection.

• 48:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Blows my mind. So I'm glad that they're getting the car back tomorrow because I think, was it yesterday? You were like, "Hey, they called and they said this is also broken."

• 48:40Matt Farah?

  This is one day, yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 01

  So we thought it was going to be like weeks.

• 48:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's 72, 72 days, dude. That's crazy.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  It's a really long time.

• 48:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And like, it's one of only two cars I have with air conditioning. And the other one has a super heavy clutch. And so like, Hannah can't drive the other one, so, so that means during the hot...

• 49:00Speaker 01

  She drives manual, right?

• 49:02Matt Farah?

  Very, very proficiently.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I could rent her my car, although it might not work.

• 49:06Matt Farah?

  She probably could, if I like, if I was like incapacitated, she probably could drive stick. She, she, it wouldn't be smooth, but she could, she could do it.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:18Matt Farah?

  We do need to practice a little more. She got a little nervous when, the last time she tried, when we first got the Manx and the throttle mapping was kind of weird and you had to be very, very, very particular with the throttle. Uh, but now that the car has like a totally normal throttle map in it, that anybody could just get in it and drive, I think she should try again. Yeah.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  If, if you're learning again, if the car makes it more difficult.

• 49:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:44Speaker 01

  Or, you know, weird for even you and I.

• 49:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  That's not going to be fun.

• 49:47Matt Farah?

  No. So, uh, we should, I should have done it on the fucking Elantra. But the Elantra, actually, one of my, one of my criticisms of the Elantra is that it had like zero clutch feel.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 50:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But like, you know.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  Just, it's like a switch. It just lets out, there's no friction, no friction point?

• 50:05Matt Farah?

  It just, it just, it didn't come through in your foot. Like the car would start moving, but, um... And interestingly, when you put it in sport mode and it opened the valves of the exhaust, the way that the engine would go from no load to a little load to having full load on it was a better indicator of the clutch being engaged than whatever was happening through your foot. And because of that, the car was like almost undrivable without being in sport mode. Like, I stalled it like multiple times because it was just so dead.

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 50:42Matt Farah?

  With a dead throttle and no exhaust sound and no clutch feel. I'm like stalling this Elantra. It was like really kind of embarrassing. I did it in front of people. But I programmed, you know, just the hot button and so I would just start it and then just hit the one button. And then you could, the way it would sound as you would take off is actually how you would know the clutch was engaged. It was silly, but it worked once you got used to it. But yeah, I think, I'm not sure if I'm gonna go physically get it or if Hannah's gonna go get it, but I think Taycan is actually going to be done today. Also, we just announced the Road and Track, what do they call it? Can you go to

• 51:23Matt Farah?

  experiences.rodentrack.com? It's the New England event. It's gonna be next spring. I'm going to scout it this fall. It's, it is going to be through New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont, a full New England experience that we're adding to our other two on the calendar. What do they call it? New England Run. There we go. So, yeah, it's gonna be New Hampshire Motor Speedway. It's going to be Mount Washington. It's going to be Kennebunk, Maine, and then it's gonna be Woodstock, Vermont. The roads. The route, I mean, I haven't driven yet. I'm gonna drive it this October, or like, you know, in two weeks. It looks sick. It

• 52:06Matt Farah?

  looks absolutely amazing. So, I'll have a full report when I get back from that scout. But I believe entries are not open yet, but mark your calendars, May 17th to 20th. And to add to that, you know, I don't think we have any room left in the Hudson event, which is October 27th to 30th, but we've got the Palm Springs, Palm Canyon Run from February 23rd to 26th. We are going to Chuckwalla. We're going to Joshua Tree. We're going to Palm Springs. We're going to Temecula. And then we're ending in Newport Beach. So, it's the SoCal desert to ocean vibe.

• 52:48Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 52:49Matt Farah?

  The hotels are rad. Actually, you should, I was thinking, I should invite you and Sarah to, to do the scout for this with me and Hannah.

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  I think if, that could be a fun, a fun trip. Yeah. Cause the roads are really nice, but also, but the hotels are also super cool.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  That'd be cool.

• 53:11Matt Farah?

  Um, so yeah.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Chuckwalla is such a great track. If people have not driven it or been there, like, it's the middle of nowhere, but they did such a good job with the elevation and the bowl. It's got so many weird, unique things. It's really fun.

• 53:24Matt Farah?

  Fun, fast, safe. If you, if you go off, you don't break your car.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 53:29Matt Farah?

  And, yeah, and very pretty. Really, really pretty track. Underrated in, one might say. So, yeah, those are, that's what we're doing. If you would like to come drive with me, I'm leading all of those events. You can go to experiences.rodentrack.com. Couple of these left, these pens. Tactile Turn. We sold a shitload of these guys. They're open to the public now. It's not Patreon only. Our collaboration with Tactile Turn, these are brass pens with a bolt action gel writing insert, replaceable, obviously, because this is a lifetime pen. And it patinas with age. This being the prototype, it doesn't have the bright red TST clip on

• 54:14Matt Farah?

  it. This one was just for the vibes.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  I got the picture up though, so.

• 54:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And Zach, they're sending us, Will from Tactile Turn forgot to send ours. So, he's sending us each one.

• 54:26Speaker 01

  Oh, cool.

• 54:26Matt Farah?

  Of ours.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 54:29Matt Farah?

  But there's about 20 of them left. So, you can go to Tactile Turn. It's on their collabs. Do we have a link in our bio on Instagram? Yes, we do. Pretty sure. Anyway, there's a few left. They're really, really cool. I've gotten a bunch of emails from people who have bought them, who have talked about how satisfying they are to use. And it's been my everyday pen for about a year. We got it as a, as a sample for our original pen that we were made like a year ago. And that pen was a little bigger. But then I found this one in a drawer and I started carrying it around to my travels. And I realized, actually, this is incredibly satisfying. It's about the size and shape of a Bic pen, but because

• 55:14Matt Farah?

  it's made of brass, it's very, it's very hefty and satisfying to use with, and it's ribbed for his pleasure, or her pleasure. With, so it's very grippy, even if you get schwitzy hands.

• 55:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it feels like it's made of, you know, a million like copper rings that are stacked.

• 55:32Matt Farah?

  Like that. Yeah. So, anyway, they're up. So, let's go to the people over at patreon.com/the smoke and tire podcast, where they keep us floating down the ocean with those amazing usernames. We do love your usernames. Themes include cats, lefty political music, Pearl Jam references, and/or Zach's car never quite functioning properly. Are you gonna get it like a daily at some point? Or is your, your existing solution with your wife seems to be pretty good, actually?

• 56:06Speaker 01

  Between her car and press cars, I don't, I am tempted to buy one all the time. And when I bring it up to her, she's like, why? Well, you have my car. And I go, I know, but it's yours. And she goes, I don't care. She just, when I posted my Instagram review of the Kona, I was like, my intro was like, people, some people just want an appliance car. They don't care about these normal, you know, loser things like we do. And she, she's texting me and she goes, the most dirt I have on you is that you borrow my appliance car all the time. Cause she, she thought I was being disparaging. So, I added a line that was like, and I happily use my wife's appliance car.

• 56:38Matt Farah?

  That is a righteous call out.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  I know. Yeah. But I think about it all the time. I thought, I thought I would, you know, be tempted by the Prius, but I'm actually not.

• 56:47Matt Farah?

  Wait, wait, you have a monk-like restraint to not buy a fucking daily and to continue to use your car.

• 56:55Speaker 01

  I mean, I walk here.

• 56:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's true.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  Like, I don't really need, if I drove around more than I do, it would be, I'd be pushed to get one for sure. But I just don't. And now, if I just keep getting these, these normie vehicles.

• 57:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You know, you know, LeBron wants to sell their 1990 Lexus LS400 with like under 100,000 miles on it.

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 57:18Matt Farah?

  In really nice condition. And is insistent on it going to a, a good home.

• 57:26Speaker 01

  That's interesting.

• 57:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  That's very comfortable.

• 57:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Shit gas mileage, but so comfortable.

• 57:30Matt Farah?

  Not that shit.

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Really?

• 57:32Matt Farah?

  Not that shit.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  In the city?

• 57:33Matt Farah?

  Over the life of the, well, in the city, it's probably, it's probably middle teens. It's not that shit. It's probably middle teens.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  That's pretty, that's a lot better than I expected. Wow.

• 57:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:44Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah? 16?

• 57:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 57:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Hmm. I'll text LeBron.

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 57:49Speaker 01

  I'll text LeBron.

• 57:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah. I think that could be good for the Klapman.

• 57:56Speaker 01

  You know what?

• 57:56Matt Farah?

  I saw the interior and the seats are in like really nice shape.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  That seat is so good.

• 58:01Matt Farah?

  You liked the seat in the million mile Lexus, which is crazy. Cause that seat was so blown out. That's, that shows how bad the seat was in your Crown Vic at the time, that you were like, this is an upgrade. I was like, this is fucked up. This seat is busted as hell.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  But it was shaped for human beings.

• 58:19Matt Farah?

  It was busted as hell.

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Crown Vic was like a Denny's booth that just got bolted into a car. It was just flat and soft and terrible.

• 58:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:27Speaker 01

  However, someone sent me a video today. They figured out how to bolt the 8-speed Dodge transmission.

• 58:32Matt Farah?

  In a Crown Vic?

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Yes, sir. This guy runs it on autocross. It's like, that's sent it to me, of course, like full sequential shift. He was using.

• 58:40Matt Farah?

  It's an 8HP with paddles in a Crown Vic?

• 58:44Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 58:45Matt Farah?

  See? I bet Cletus has got that in his shit.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  He probably should.

• 58:50Matt Farah?

  Cletus's car, you know, Cletus has got the cheater.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  That would be the cheater move in the, in the Cletus races. Yeah.

• 58:56Matt Farah?

  Wow. Yeah. 8HP swapping the Crown Vic.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  If I want to light 40 grand on fire, I'll get a Crown Vic, put that in, put seats in.

• 59:04Matt Farah?

  That wouldn't make it a worse daily.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  Better.

• 59:06Matt Farah?

  It would make it a better daily.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  Way better. Probably get better mileage. More, yeah, more fun.

• 59:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  From 4 speeds to 8.

• 59:12Matt Farah?

  That and a set of Recaros and you are in business.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  I know. That's what I, I know.

• 59:20Matt Farah?

  I wonder if you could do it in a LS. Could you put an eight HP in a Lexus LS?

• 59:27Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 59:28Matt Farah?

  That's a four speed dude, you could fucking make real use of those smooth revs.

• 59:35Matt Farah?

  Awesome. That would be sick.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:37Matt Farah?

  That that's also what basically everybody should, what you should do with like all the automatic gearbox turbo Supras.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:46Matt Farah?

  Like, you know what I mean? Like a Mark IV, just like, yeah, easy.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  You're building it into a Mark V, basically. That's kind of what you're doing, right?

• 59:53Matt Farah?

  The Mark IV slash V, like Ferrari did the P4, you know, P34. Yes, Mark IV slash V is fucking, I think you're on to something. Hell, yeah.

• 1:00:02Speaker 01

  Turbo automatic Supra, but then put.

• 1:00:05Matt Farah?

  But eight speed, yeah, with like paddles and a and a fucking and a clutch pedal.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:12Matt Farah?

  That you can clutch kick.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  That'd be crazy.

• 1:00:14Matt Farah?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 01

  I would love it for six months.

• 1:00:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I wouldn't do the clutch pedal in that setup. I would make it so you could clutch kick like the Porsche RS. Where you tug both paddles and it opens the clutch. That's fucking, don't knock it till you try it.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  I'm not, but if, but if you're like mid, let's say you're on Apple Valley, like mid-corner clutch kick, but if you have enough power.

• 1:00:34Matt Farah?

  If you're building a race car, you want the pedal.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:36Matt Farah?

  If you're just building an automatic Supra to like fuck around with in the canyons, you know, paddles with the, yeah.

• 1:00:43Speaker 01

  That's a cool idea.

• 1:00:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you could do it.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Okay, we need to do, we need to do a really big live show tour. It's very successful. And I'll build something crazy.

• 1:00:54Matt Farah?

  Ultimate daily, ultimate 90s daily. Um, of course, if you want to ask questions for the live show, if you want to listen and watch the live show, if you want to get the show early, if you want to get extra show, if you want to get the show without ads, all them things are available at the Smoking Tire, uh, podcast on Patreon. You know where to find the link. It's where you find links to things. Let's go to those people. Panic at my disco says, uh, help me broaden my cooking horizons. Oh, starting from the, uh, starting from the kitchen here today. What are some of your go-to spice blends or marinades, which are typically on store shelves or readily available online? Okay, marinades, I'm gonna separate because I don't buy, I don't like store-bought marinades, not because I'm

• 1:01:38Matt Farah?

  a snob so much, but store-bought marinades have like

• 1:01:43Matt Farah?

  shit in them I don't really want in my food.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  A lot of times, yeah.

• 1:01:45Matt Farah?

  A lot of like fillers and sugars and stuff that I, that marinades are the easiest thing ever to make, like really easy and recipes for them, uh, I'll, I'll tell you a couple that I really like. But, um, spice blends, there's a spice company, uh, that I, the spice blend I like is called Dipshit. Okay, and there's some other like fruit shit and like other blank shit, uh, spices. Dipshit, you just mix that with a fucking cup of sour cream and you have like the best veggie slash chip dip you've ever had in your life.

• 1:02:23Matt Farah?

  And you can also use Dipshit as a sort of vaguely Italian seasoning blend for other stuff. So I do use Dipshit for, um, I'll, I'll, I'll season a chicken or a salmon with that.

• 1:02:41Matt Farah?

  A lot, or potatoes, roasted potatoes seasoned with Dipshit are fire.

• 1:02:48Matt Farah?

  Hot sauce, I like the Yellow Bird hot sauce a lot. And my friend Philip does own Yellow Bird hot sauce, but I still really like it. Carl Ruiz's favorite barbecue sauce, and which is my favorite barbecue sauce, is the Five Monkeys barbecue sauce. Uh, specifically the, the like Scotch one, it's like whiskey or Scotch. Um, when I always have that at home, that shit's fire. The May Ploy Thai Sweet Chili Sauce, I love that shit on chicken. All you gotta do is like grill up some chicken drumsticks and brush that shit on in the last few minutes and you are in business. That's the big, the big orange bottle, the May Ploy. You gotta have sriracha, of course.

• 1:03:31Matt Farah?

  And actually, you're not gonna believe this, I make chili at least once a month. And as a base, I use Carroll Shelby's Chili Kit. Like the, the, the spice blend that comes with Carroll Shelby's Chili Kit is super fucking delicious. And I don't follow the instructions on the box. I brown the meat and then I add the spices and then I add the, the other stuff, the vegetables, like the whatever.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  So you don't mix it with Ford motor oil?

• 1:04:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't cheat on my wife and then go back to stirring the pot. Um, but, uh, uh, but I don't follow the instructions on the box, but I do use the Carroll Shelby spice packet and it is very, very good, uh, if you're making chili. And, yeah, I don't have any other rig store bought. Oh dude, there is a Trader Joe's Dill Pickle Mustard. It's like, it's essentially mustard and relish in a mustard shaped, uh, vessel. And I have found that to be really useful.

• 1:04:40Matt Farah?

  Because adding a little bit of pickle to mustard is good in most, say, on a burger, that mustard absolutely fucks. And I make a, a grill, a smash burger on the griddle that's a mustard grilled. I stole that from In-N-Out. So on the flip, I would do mustard on the other side and grill it in. That's banging with the pickle mustard. So I really like that.

• 1:05:03Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:05:04Matt Farah?

  The other super secret Carl Ruiz method that I don't like to talk about too much because it'll fucking get out there and people will know is onion juice. You could take an onion, white onion, blend it in a food processor, separate the pulp from the juice, the pulp has like a million uses on its own without the juice specifically. And the juice has a million uses on its own without the pulp.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  You just cheese cloth it and.

• 1:05:32Matt Farah?

  Essentially.

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  I think you do that with the soup, right?

• 1:05:34Matt Farah?

  Or strain it, yeah, I use it, I use it the matzo ball soup, I use the, I use it and I also, the onion juice is a super, super secret. If you make like sushi or a raw fish stuff at home, a little couple drops of that, people will be like, what is that flavor? And you'll fucking really sneak up on them with the onion juice. That's a, that's a Ruiz real secret. Mazda Speed 36 Mafia, what dead car brand deserves a full revival done right? I'd like to see Saab come back. Saab is a good one. Saab, because it had, because you'd want a car to, a brand to come back with character.

• 1:06:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:15Matt Farah?

  Not just like a brand that died out of boredom like Saturn.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Right, or Maserati.

• 1:06:22Matt Farah?

  That's life support. Yeah, that's life support.

• 1:06:28Matt Farah?

  Some brands that I'd like to see like really come back aren't quite dead, like, like Lancia.

• 1:06:33Speaker 01

  Like that was in my mind too, but you want the Stratos again.

• 1:06:35Matt Farah?

  Still get a, there is a new Lancia in Europe and it's like a Chrysler with a badge on it.

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're driving towards Ukraine right now.

• 1:06:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah. As a matter of fact, I think the Chrysler Pacifica is sold as a Lancia.

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  It's also the new one, uh, my in-laws had a rental car, the front of it looks like Kia meets Cadillac, doesn't look like a Pacifica anymore. And it doesn't have like the wing badge on it. I went, what is this? And he goes, that's a Pacifica. It's weird.

• 1:06:59Matt Farah?

  I think if you had, if they were really willing to be extremely aggressive, really like fucking just, just go for it, they could probably bring back an Oldsmobile.

• 1:07:16Matt Farah?

  Like.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 1:07:18Matt Farah?

  You don't think so?

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  No, I mean, I think Buick, Buick are live because of international sales. Pontiac would probably have a stronger case.

• 1:07:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  He'd bring back Pontiac, you know, they'll have a new Camaro, bring back the Firebird, based on the same chassis and stuff as back in the 60s. You could relaunch that, but, but then everything has to be a crossover because Pontiac never really sold trucks.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  That'd be tough. Uh, speaking of dead brands, someone today sent me, uh, something like, hey, you could probably talk about this on the show. And it was a Instagram post from Saleen, Saleen, whatever you want to call it, from today, saying, announcing pre-orders available for the Saleen S1. And I look at it, I look at the car.

• 1:08:00Matt Farah?

  The car I drove like eight years ago?

• 1:08:02Speaker 01

  The car that was announced for, available for pre-orders in 2017. Yes, exactly. And now this person, you know, to their credit, they didn't know, they were like too young when that happened, but I'm like, is this the same car? And it is the same car. They are relaunching pre-orders, so.

• 1:08:19Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  You can bring back Saleen if you want to.

• 1:08:21Matt Farah?

  That's crazy. How interesting.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  I think they have to let it go.

• 1:08:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, the car itself, I mean, the one I drove was a race car version of it. So it, it looked like the car, but it didn't really have an interior, uh, there's, there's the video still on YouTube somewhere. But it wasn't a bad looking car. It actually, I mean, it actually, well, now that I look at it again, it's, it, the Lotus Amira looks an awful lot like what this was going to be.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Very much so.

• 1:08:51Matt Farah?

  This looks like an Amira with a 911 ass.

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  And so the price, the price was a hundred grand, uh, nine years ago. Now it's 160, which makes sense for inflation, but you know, that's expensive competition.

• 1:09:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, man, when you've got Amiras out there, that's, that's gonna be tough.

• 1:09:11Matt Farah?

  And this is not a, this is a, well, this is a, this is a new chassis. It's not, it's not based on another car.

• 1:09:18Matt Farah?

  Okay, I mean, look, more sports cars are good. A hundred and $60,000 is expensive, but it's, it's not a million, it's not a hypercar, you know, it's not 2,000 horsepower and, and, and $2 million or something.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  Very true. We need, it's, yeah, it fills the space left by Boxer Cayman.

• 1:09:38Matt Farah?

  It's closer to affordable than it is to insane.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  Yes, that is true.

• 1:09:44Matt Farah?

  It's not affordable, but it's closer to that than it is to billionaires only apply.

• 1:09:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would probably be easier these days for him to try to bring back the, the S7. So I'm credit for not doing that.

• 1:09:55Matt Farah?

  That's a very good point.

• 1:09:56Speaker 01

  You know, it is a relaunch of something that has not been launched.

• 1:10:00Matt Farah?

  The Honda Prolapse EV says,

• 1:10:05Matt Farah?

  you know that like some intern somewhere at Honda had to come up with a really long list of all the words.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  That can't be a name.

• 1:10:13Matt Farah?

  Could be PR. And, and this is, Prolapse was on a list somewhere and then like crossed out like later. Took a group of my friends on their first spirited drive through the Colorado mountains. Everything was great, except for one guy who wouldn't stop cutting the mustard. I even pulled the entire group over to call him out. His argument was that cross, crossing the double yellow was no worse than speeding. How would you deal with this situation?

• 1:10:44Matt Farah?

  Uh, this is tough. This is a tough one because now you're, now these are not just random car people or people off the internet. These are your friends.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:53Matt Farah?

  And so, you know, you call them out, maybe publicly, which is all, which is a tense way to start doing that. So, so now you, you know, what, what, what would I do in the beginning and there versus what would I do from where you are now are two different things. To me, and again, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not Morgan Freeman or God, or the ultimate arbiter of moral authority. But to me, when you have two opposing lanes of traffic, uh, driving faster than a sign says you can drive on one of those sides versus repeatedly

• 1:11:34Matt Farah?

  crossing into the side where other cars are coming the other way is a whole other level of morality or lack thereof to me.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:11:43Matt Farah?

  Just, just to me. You set your standards where you want, but that's, that's, that's how people die. I mean, literally, that's how people die.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  I mean, this will be hyperbolic, but like, if you go down the freeway at 10 over the speed limit, most of the time the cops aren't going to pull you over. If you go down the wrong side of the freeway at any speed, like, they're going to pull you over immediately. Now, crossing over like, I'm sure this person's saying like, wide visibility, but like, I think it encourages danger, bad behavior that could eventually go wrong because that person gets really comfortable.

• 1:12:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  Getting in on the wrong side, thinking they have the best judgment. And all it takes is another car going the other way, going much faster than they expected. They're on the inside of a, you know, your friend is on the inside over the line of a, of a corner, and the car coming towards them is another person driving quickly.

• 1:12:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  And all of a sudden, you have a head-on collision.

• 1:12:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah, even the, the best driver in the world.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  Kurt Wagner.

• 1:12:40Matt Farah?

  Even professional driver, Kurt Wagner, cannot see around a, through a wall, through a blind corner. So, so, so, so that's, that's the answer to my, my opinion on your question of the, the morality of speeding versus crossing, cutting the mustard, which I really don't want to become a term, but crossing the W O line. So, what would I do from here? I, I, I would try and explain that to them. I, I would try to diffuse the situation so this doesn't like wreck your friendship, right? Because it's not like an accident did happen, you know, and, and so what I do, because I, I lead these groups with road and track,

• 1:13:25Matt Farah?

  I don't participate in group drives, by the way, in which I am not in charge. Like, I just, because stuff like this can happen, and I don't want to be a part of it. I have a big speech that I give to these folks at, at, uh, at the beginning of these events, almost none of whom I know personally, in which I make it extremely uncool to do stuff like that. Um, I, I go, I go, "Look, the, these are the rules. The name of our magazine is on the side of your car. And if you're, if you don't want to abide by these rules, like, fine, I'm going to take our sticker off of your car, and you don't get to drive in our group. And we'll just, here's the route. You go leave ahead of us, and we'll

• 1:14:10Matt Farah?

  see you at the hotel. That's fine. Go drive how you want to drive, but not with our name on the side of your car." And, and I also reinforce that the areas that we drive, you know, there's remote roads in the middle of nowhere, um, where you can have a little fun, and you can go a little quicker. And there's, there's roads near towns, and you have to respect the locals. There's, there's, we drive through national parks and state parks sometimes, and you have to respect that there's hikers and pets and wildlife and all that kind of stuff. But I have a speech that I do at the beginning in which I set those standards before anybody's driving. And so, rather than going, "Let's go for

• 1:14:53Matt Farah?

  a drive, seeing someone do something you don't like and confronting them afterwards, they get defensive. You're, you're setting your standard on them after the fact, and now you create a tension with you and that person." And then everyone else has to pick a side. Whereas if I set the standard ahead of time, in that meeting, I make everyone agree. "We all agree? Everyone's on the same page here? Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. This could be very dangerous, what we're doing. We want to have fun. You're on vacation. Everyone wants to go home. Vehicular manslaughter is a bad way to end a nice day." So, everyone's

• 1:15:35Matt Farah?

  on the same page in the meeting. And so then, when people do it on the road, if someone does it on the road, you all agreed beforehand to not do that. And so, everyone else has all, is already established that they're not on your team if you do that. And they really ostracize that person a, as a behaviorally. And, and that works like really well. I've had a lot of success doing that. So, so, so setting that standard up front of, "If you guys are, if I'm going to lead this drive, you got to do this. Otherwise, I'm not going to do it. You know, otherwise, we're not driving in groups." So, tough situation.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:12Matt Farah?

  Uh, hopefully, it doesn't cause lasting tension. But yeah, if you want to lead, leading group drives can be very, very stressful. It's a lot of responsibility on you. Um, and so, having that talk beforehand does set the standards, and it does help.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  And I think, like, when we go up to the canyons and, you know, Newcombs, you see groups of friends, and some, some drive way faster than others. And it might, if it, if it comes to the point, you could just be like, "All right, man, how about you, you know, you lead. You can drive your way. I'm, I'm just not going to go as fast." Like, separate yourself literally physically, and you can keep your friendship. It's just the adult thing of like, "I just don't want to, you know, drive like that, but like, we're, we're still boys. I'm just, I'm going to hang back a little bit."

• 1:16:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:52Speaker 01

  And that's all, that's all you can really do.

• 1:16:54Matt Farah?

  I've talked about one of the funniest things that's ever happened on one of these road and track events. There's a guy who I won't name, but he really wanted to go fast. He was a, he wanted to drive fast. That's what he wanted. And he was, he would brag about how fast he would drive on the street. And he didn't do anything around me that I, that I thought was dangerous. You know, we set this up, and he, he's, but he was always talking about wanting to go faster. And the very, the drive ended at Tail of the Dragon, right? We, we, the last thing, it was, the last night was Knoxville, and then we're going to drive Tail of the Dragon. And at the other, end of the Dragon is a place called Topoco Lodge. We were going to stop there for lunch, and that's the end of the event. And I said, "When we get to Tail of the Dragon, you, sir, we're going

• 1:17:38Matt Farah?

  to stop at the beginning because a bunch of people wanted me to, to, to guide them." And, and, but this guy, I was like, "Look, this is the end of the event." I was like, "I'm taking my sticker off your car, and you can have a five-minute head start. Just go." And he was in a very fast car. And I don't even want to say what the car was because people might know. But it's, it was a very fast car, and a very loud car. And so this dude just tears ass out of the parking lot and rips it up Tail of the Dragon. We wait a few minutes, and we go up the road, and not a half a mile up the road, this dude is pulled over by the cops.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:18:19Matt Farah?

  At the side of the road, and all of us just, meh, meh. Just right on by, had a nice time. So it's like, you know, like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like, sorry.

• 1:18:34Matt Farah?

  Actually, that guy, the, the P S is, the guy was a pretty good sport about his little bit of karma there. And, uh, and, and he is kind of, sort of a, a newish YouTuber, which is hilarious because he's a man in his late 50s or early 60s. And he was very excited to have that video.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  "What's up, guys? Today, we're going to drive my new C8, but first, we're going to go get my colonoscopy. Just full vlog status."

• 1:19:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, I got it. But yeah, man. So, so I took his sticker.

• 1:19:07Speaker 01

  I start every day with raw oatmeal because it's good for my cholesterol. Sponsored by Blue Chugold.

• 1:19:15Matt Farah?

  Uh, I don't.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  Did you see this?

• 1:19:16Matt Farah?

  I, no, did you?

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I watched the video.

• 1:19:19Matt Farah?

  Maybe Zach has thoughts. "Long dipstick, short pan," says.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, so Vinaterra, he did a video. He lost his dealer license. And the reason he lost it is because he did not have a sticker on the door of his building.

• 1:19:31Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  And it, and he had one printed. It was like in the shop, but he got busy, didn't put it up, and surprise inspection came by.

• 1:19:40Matt Farah?

  Get the fuck out of here.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  And he's like, "I have the insurance. I've got everything else done. We've been operating for a long time." And, and the second part of it, so that was the reason they pulled the license, because you need to have a sticker showing that, like, that you're operating a business. The second part of his, his story was that he said, when he's on the phone with the woman at the help desk trying to like figure this out, she said, quoting his video, "I know what you guys are up to over there." And so his theory is that this is someone crack, that Long Beach or California is cracking down on people who have dealerships that aren't actually selling cars. It's like a way to get around smog stuff, tax stuff, whatever.

• 1:20:16Matt Farah?

  I thought he is selling cars.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  He's selling tons of cars. No, no, he has like, he's moving cars.

• 1:20:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  As a dealership, obviously.

• 1:20:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:23Speaker 01

  But that was her glib statement to him. And so he's wondering if, that they are just going to go around and pay more attention to dealerships.

• 1:20:32Matt Farah?

  So, he, her, her sort of accusation, or his, his.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  Interpretation.

• 1:20:37Matt Farah?

  Interpretation of her, of her accusation is that he's collecting cars.

• 1:20:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:43Matt Farah?

  And just has a dealer license to just drive exotic cars around the street.

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  Right. When, I mean, in fact, he's, you know, bought and sold whatever, hundreds of thousands of dollars of cars this year.

• 1:20:53Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but he is operating as a dealer.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:20:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:20:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, um, I imagine if really, if all it is, is this sticker, then that's a reinstatable thing. I mean.

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  I hope so. He, in the comments, he was saying, "It looks like he has to reapply for all the licenses," which means he has to pause buying and selling cars, which sucks.

• 1:21:18Matt Farah?

  That does suck.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  Because he's sitting on inventory.

• 1:21:21Matt Farah?

  But he could, I mean, that does suck, and I do feel for him. And if you have to pause your business, like, that stinks. Um, but it doesn't actually take all that long. Like, you could go, like, he could take a course, like, today. Like, he could, he could, I mean, it maybe isn't like one, a one-day thing, but like, it doesn't, it doesn't actually take, it's a pain in the dick. Like, don't get me wrong. But if, if there isn't a permanent stain that would prevent him from reapplying.

• 1:21:53Matt Farah?

  Then it's really just sort of a hiccup, you know.

• 1:21:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:58Matt Farah?

  You know, and a silly, a silly mistake to learn the lesson from.

• 1:22:02Speaker 01

  It's a bummer.

• 1:22:03Matt Farah?

  That's a, it's kind of a dumb one, you gotta admit.

• 1:22:06Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't operate a dealer, like, I don't know how high up on the rulebook that is.

• 1:22:10Matt Farah?

  The requirements are

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  Simple.

• 1:22:13Matt Farah?

  Simple, but very specific. And like, I love Vin and I support Vin and I think this sucks. And I think it's a bummer that he had a surprise inspection that was possibly punitive based on bullshit. Like, I'm up with all that, for real. But you gotta have your sticker, you gotta have your signage up. If you're actually operating a dealership, like, having the signs, like, there's only like four requirements. Like, you have to meet them. Like, you gotta have the signs up. Like, we have to, for parking lot. The signs are ugly as shit. I don't want the signs up, they make my building look like garbage. But they have to be there, that's the law. Like, you gotta put them up.

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:22:50Matt Farah?

  Like, you're mad public, dude. You're a huge amount of fucking followers, you're moving like expensive metal. Like, you gotta, you gotta have that. I hope it's not too big of a deal, you know, and he can reapply quickly and it

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:23:05Matt Farah?

  Maybe it costs you a couple thousand bucks. I mean, I, I would be totally shocked if something so dumb as not having the sign posted is, would, would cause a, a permanent ban or anything like that. That'd be, that'd be crazy.

• 1:23:20Speaker 01

  He didn't seem to infer it would. It might, he may have, he may think it's gonna take longer to reinstate than it is. Hopefully it's quicker, because it's such a simple thing, but yeah.

• 1:23:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's tough. Well, you know, hopefully he's not too tied up in inventory, you know.

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  I think he, yeah, I don't know, he had a couple cars on the racks, but he's smart, because he had, you know, he has two other businesses. Like, his drivers there and YouTube are not part of that thing, and he's like, this is why.

• 1:23:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Those, they can keep operating.

• 1:23:47Matt Farah?

  For sure. Yeah, yeah. That's a bummer.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:49Matt Farah?

  But yeah, you, dude, being, being a dealer, like, you just gotta have those signs and shit up, like, it's just, that's crazy. I'm not surprised, punitive though. They probably saw this, this fucking young dude rolling around in expensive ass cars and just probably thought he was like some influencer.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  I don't know, maybe. Or if it's part of the Montana dealer crackdown and there's like, they got a person that goes, hey, you, you're, Matt, you are the Long Beach assessor, please go to these

• 1:24:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  112 car dealerships and just check them out.

• 1:24:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:21Speaker 01

  Because we're gonna try to figure out what's going on.

• 1:24:22Matt Farah?

  I mean, dude, surprise inspections do happen. Like, we get surprise inspections here

• 1:24:30Matt Farah?

  not once a year, but definitely more than once every other year for, um, not for dealer stuff, um, for, um,

• 1:24:40Matt Farah?

  uh, wastewater, for our car wash, our car wash bay. We have, we get a surprise inspected that we've done the clean out every year and have the certified letter and that they, they do a sample to make sure there isn't like motor oil and shit going down in there. And, you know, it's fine every year, but they just, like, they just show up. Anyway, Martin Luther King Ranch, it's pretty funny.

• 1:25:07Matt Farah?

  GM just announced a new diesel 8.3 liter engine for their pickups with 1,200 pound feet of torque. Man, that's gonna, that's right on time in the age of $9 diesel.

• 1:25:22Matt Farah?

  Imagine how much fucking diesel that's gonna go through at $9 a gallon.

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, prices are terrible.

• 1:25:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Dre from Houston says,

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  What are some quirks?

• 1:25:36Matt Farah?

  Some novelty quirks that you see in cars or would like to see in other cars. Uh, for example, my RX8 had perforated sun visors, which allows you to see the street light while using the visor.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:25:49Matt Farah?

  That's kind of interesting.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you just

• 1:25:51Matt Farah?

  Like a, like a lounge chair? The visor was made of like a lounge chair, so you could see through it?

• 1:25:57Speaker 01

  Or slightly perforated, like, like the bus graphics, you know?

• 1:26:00Matt Farah?

  I really liked Jonathan Ward's private jet visors.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Those were so good.

• 1:26:06Matt Farah?

  Clear ones.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  Clear tinted, yeah.

• 1:26:07Matt Farah?

  Those are dope. The Icon trucks have these clear visors they use in jets.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:13Matt Farah?

  That, I mean, they're, they're dark tinted, but they, you can just, it stops the sun and you can just continue to see right through them. That's the shit. Um, do you remember the Mazda Millenia? Do you remember that car?

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:26:27Matt Farah?

  Mazda Millenia is a very, very strange car, a lot, in a lot of ways. Um, mid 90s Mazda was like crazy. They had a bunch of different engines they were making. Remember that weird Mazda Lantis we drove?

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:40Matt Farah?

  Down in New Zealand?

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  Three cylinder?

• 1:26:42Matt Farah?

  No, that's a, that was a 1.8 liter V6.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a fun car.

• 1:26:46Matt Farah?

  So the Mazda Millenia had a setting to oscillate their air vents, which was very cool. Love that.

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  That's amazing that existed that long ago. And now we have like the screens with the electric motor.

• 1:26:57Matt Farah?

  Well, they have it now with the digital ones, yeah, but it's not the same.

• 1:27:00Speaker 01

  98 millennia.

• 1:27:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Two clutches, one shift. Uh, do you see a similar removal of the middle market options for sports cars happening to the watch market as well? Tons of options in the low hundreds and above 5,000, but it seems like there's a lot of 100K plus options.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  Are they saying they want more $50,000 watches or?

• 1:27:25Matt Farah?

  Well, I'm, I'm unsure where they're placing the quote middle market.

• 1:27:31Matt Farah?

  The funny thing about watches, I mean, look, yes, there's, there are more six-figure watches than I've ever seen. And seven-figure auction results for watches than there have ever been, for sure.

• 1:27:45Matt Farah?

  Watches, if you're very, very rich, are such an easy thing to just fucking hoard. They're small, they're small and you, you can, you could wear them like clothes and, you know, it's just, it's a crazy thing to get addicted to, um, when you have like all the money.

• 1:28:06Matt Farah?

  I, the funny thing about watches is, in many, in a lot of cases, there's not a lot of value, and I say this ironically as someone who sells a watch for this amount of money. There's not a lot of value between 1,000 and 2,500. A lot of brands and a lot of heritage brands are selling what are essentially $500 watches with heritage attached to them for that kind of money. And so I think they might be struggling a little bit, but they could be bolstered by these companies selling huge dollar watches that are all part of the same sort of corporate umbrella.

• 1:28:49Matt Farah?

  Um, like Omega is like suffering a bit, but like the Swatch Omega thing is like, so,

• 1:28:57Matt Farah?

  I do think the Apple Watch and all that have like killed the quote mall watch, like the, the stuff you see at department stores.

• 1:29:06Matt Farah?

  But

• 1:29:09Matt Farah?

  because I don't pay it, I haven't, I don't read the like business reports for watches, so I don't really know how bad it is at a retail level just right now. My wastegate has a smelly herbal, says, what is the value of 0 to 60 versus 5 to 60 when comparing cars? Uh, 0 to 60 is about the launch, while 5 to 60 is more indicative of how the cars feel to drive. That's true. 0 to 60 is, is a, is a hard launch, you know, whether it's a sidestep of the clutch or launch control or whatever. Whereas at 5, you're idling, you're rolling from idle and then just smashing it, which is

• 1:29:51Matt Farah?

  much more representative of how you would come off a traffic light in the real world.

• 1:29:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, trying to get in, you know, turn right and get up to speed versus like if I had sat there and gone, you know, full brake, full gas.

• 1:30:03Speaker 01

  I think it's a good metric to look at, for sure.

• 1:30:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Drift, Gavin Drift says, how much of a manufacturer recommending certain brands of oils is engineering based versus brand deals and marketing? My first car, an 06 Mini Cooper, said right on the oil fill cap, it recommended Castrol and I just used that because that's what it said. But I always wondered if it was just a deal that Mini and Castrol had versus the car specifically being engineered for Castrol.

• 1:30:31Speaker 01

  I think it's mostly a brand deal. BMW had it also with Castrol. And then when we interviewed the guy at Redline, I mean, maybe back then, good synthetic oil was harder to find, I don't know. But now there's so many good brands about it. If the oil is good, the metal will deal with it. Like, there's, if it's a good, high-quality motor oil, especially if it's something high-performance that requires or benefits from like a really good synthetic, Royal Purple or Redline or Mobile One Synthetic, like, or Pennzoil. I mean, they all work really well.

• 1:31:04Matt Farah?

  I, you're not wrong, I agree with you, but I think the question is, how much of it is a deal and how much had the car being engineered for it? I think they're both true. I think, like, for instance, like, the, the, the deal, if there is a deal, which there probably is, happened before that car came out, right? So they were probably doing development work on the engine, development work on the, on the service intervals, the powertrain, using that Castrol oil. So the car is engineered with the oil. Does that mean it might work worse or potentially even better with another oil? Yes, for sure.

• 1:31:46Matt Farah?

  But the car, it's not like it will stop working with a different oil, but the, it could have been engineered to work with this oil.

• 1:31:54Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 1:31:54Matt Farah?

  Much like Porsche and, and Mobile One. So like, at least, at least it's like, it's, it, it checks one thing off the, well, what could have been the cause of this going wrong?

• 1:32:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:07Matt Farah?

  It's just one more, one more box check. Did you use the manufacturer recommended oil? Yes, I did. That's just one more box. But like, I'm sure there's the Redline guy or the Royal Purple guy or any of them other oils that aren't typically included from factory have fucking so many PDFs they'd like to send you telling you why their oil is actually better than whatever Mini tells you to use, you know?

• 1:32:32Speaker 01

  That's a good point, and, and it prevents people from using a lesser oil, which could cause the engine problems because it's not up to spec on the Esters or whatever else. So, yeah.

• 1:32:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:42Speaker 01

  It's at least the baseline.

• 1:32:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, you know, it, it, it tells people what to use that aren't gonna do deep research about what the very best possible choice is, you know what I mean? They go, I need to change my oil. Hey, that's what I should buy, Castrol 1050. And then that's just what they buy.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:59Matt Farah?

  Look, yeah, that's okay. Good question though, very, very legit issue.

• 1:33:05Matt Farah?

  Last one, and then we are out of here. Oh, Zach will let you pick the questions.

• 1:33:12Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:33:16Matt Farah?

  Oh, let's do the second one.

• 1:33:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:33:18Matt Farah?

  The Shelby GT350 had a very unique engine that I'm sure was very expensive to manufacture. Talking about the flat plane crank V8. Will we see an evolution of the Voodoo engine in the next GT350? Or has the 5.0 surpassed any performance benefits that the Voodoo offered?

• 1:33:41Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, the 5.0 is really, really impressive. They keep doing more and more with it. It's a really, really good engine. But some of the GT350's allure over the GT and the Mach 1 back then anyway was the engine is different. It is special. It revs to 85 or whatever. So I think if like, if they want to separate the GT350 from a Mustang GT that has a track pack, one of the easiest ways to do it is to give it a very special engine you can't get in the lower class of Mustang. So I think if they could find a way to add more power to the Voodoo or supercharge it or like whatever they want to do, I think they would do it. And it seems like, I think they fixed some of the problems they had in the early years of the Voodoo.

• 1:34:25Speaker 01

  I don't think that's really a problem anymore.

• 1:34:27Matt Farah?

  I think the cars, I think once they realized what the issue was, it was fixable, I think.

• 1:34:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, Fenske's got one now and ripping it on track, it's fine.

• 1:34:38Matt Farah?

  But I also think the current like Dark Horse engine delivers incredibly similar performance results and a similar sound without some of those problems and without the cost. You know, I think, I think it's, it's, there's probably more margin in a Dark Horse than there was in a Shelby 350. You know, you still get the gearbox, the Tremec gearbox with a Dark Horse. And, and so it would be cool for sure to see an evolution of the Voodoo engine. But I find it unlikely that Ford would go, because that was really like Jamal really

• 1:35:23Matt Farah?

  wanted that. Jamal was like, we have to do, we have to make an engine that's like Ferrari makes, just like to prove we can make an engine that's like Ferrari makes. I'm not sure anybody else cares. GM, same thing with the Z06. They had to prove that they, you know, because people would say that they, they, they use these small blocks because they're not capable of making an engine like that. Well, yes, they are actually. They just, they choose not to for other reasons most of the time.

• 1:35:55Matt Farah?

  But I think the current, the current Dark Horse, just like Duffle Shuffle said, the current Dark Horse engine on paper, if not emotionally, equals or surpasses what they got out of that other engine. And certainly the SC, you know, a whole other story.

• 1:36:10Speaker 01

  I think now it would be, it'd be really hard for them to make a GT350R that is like, the options to make it different, I think, are you can either go different engine or you go what, like super lightweight package because it's like a race car, but the Dark Horse is that. So unless you strip out more weight and add crazy seats that are like fixed back or something like that, I think that, I think Dark Horse is their way of getting away from the Shelby name, right? And the GT350 was attached to Shelby.

• 1:36:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, I, I don't really, Dark Horse doesn't do anything for me personally in the way, I think, I think Shelby just sounds cooler, maybe just because of the heritage, because I'm used to it, because of what it means. I don't really care about Carroll Shelby personally and obviously, you know, him being dead, it's, you know, are we going to keep doing this or not? I don't, who knows? But, but um, Dark Horse to me just like isn't as cool as Shelby. You know, if the, if the new SC was the GT500 and then it was the GT350, that, that to me would be cooler.

• 1:37:13Speaker 01

  Well, it would continue the IP and also like pull all that heritage and, you know, brand cachet with it.

• 1:37:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And what Shelby American is doing right now is sort of like, oof.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  I haven't looked at that.

• 1:37:24Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's like they're doing like a sort of tuner cars, sort of like, like Rousch or like, like, you know, Saleen is doing with the Mustangs, but they don't, they don't look great. They're kind of like weird. They're just, they're supercharged GTs. I mean, yeah, they got these trucks that have, you know, Shelby badges all over them. I mean, look, personally, not for me. But the Super Snake R, you know, which is just, it's their, you know, there's supercharger kits and wide bodies and, you know, all this kind of stuff, but like.

• 1:37:58Speaker 01

  220 grand for 850 horsepower.

• 1:38:00Matt Farah?

  I mean, it kind of, it makes the RTR Spec 5 seem like a value, doesn't it?

• 1:38:04Speaker 01

  And even the Spec 3 also a value. Wow, that's a lot of money.

• 1:38:08Matt Farah?

  So I'm not really interested in that. I mean, not when you can get a Dark Horse SC for, you know, 108,000 bucks.

• 1:38:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:18Matt Farah?

  The one I'm driving in.

• 1:38:20Speaker 01

  Wasn't it 170? Oh, the new one's 170.

• 1:38:22Matt Farah?

  So, no, no, so maybe I wasn't fair when I talked about the Dark Horse last episode. The Dark Horse SC starts at 108,000 dollars or like 107,000 dollars. The one we had up at Performance Car of the Year had both the track pack, which is 36,000 dollars and like the special launch super carbon blah, blah, blah pack, which is another 30,000 dollars.

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:38:47Matt Farah?

  So it starts at like 107 and the one that I drove was like 170 something. The one I'm driving in October in New York has neither of those packs. It just has, it's just like the nice blue color and has like the tech pack. It's like the, the one that most people are going to buy to drive on the road. And it's 115, which isn't, isn't nothing.

• 1:39:16Matt Farah?

  But that is a Ford OEM product with 800 horsepower and a Tremec dual clutch with a carbon torque tube and like all the goods for 100, for half of what Shelby wants for that thing.

• 1:39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Shelby, it's, you can get it with a manual. It's got 850 horsepower supercharger, but like the engines are basically the same. But you get, you know, brakes, coilovers, harness bar, sway bars. I mean, it's like a full, you know.

• 1:39:43Matt Farah?

  That's a ton of money.

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  But it's a ton of money for, you know, for, for that.

• 1:39:48Matt Farah?

  Dude, that's your, that's ZR1.

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:51Matt Farah?

  Like nah, that's going to be a nah.

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:54Matt Farah?

  All right. Thanks, everybody. Good show today. We will see you later this week because we're stacking them up because I'm going back out of town. So a lot of, a lot of podcasting to do. And thank you to our patrons for such good questions. We will save the remainder of what we've got for next show and we'll see you then. Peace out.