Fraud Friday: Return of the Deacon, Jacquis Neal

It's Fraud Friday, and we're feeling good because the deacon has returned. Jacquis Neal (Grand Crew) joins Laci to discuss the story of Juan Carlos Guzman Betancur. He was a teenage stowaway found frozen like a cube on an airplane who grew up to become one of the world’s most talented and good-looking criminals. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 02/08/2022) CONgregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess: Lessons from a Life of Cons, Grifts and Schemes book? Look no more, nab your copy here on PODSWAG Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Jacquis Neal: @jacquisneal Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://theretronetwork.com/big-money-no-whammies/ https://www.damninteresting.com/who-wants-to-be-a-thousandaire/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/an-ice-cream-man-hacked-press-your-luck-1984-1217142/ https://nypost.com/2019/06/10/press-your-luck-game-show-scandal-back-in-the-spotlight/ https://steemit.com/story/@winstonwolfe/the-story-of-michael-larson-and-the-press-your-luck-gameshow-scandal https://www.sec.gov/divisions/enforce/claims/archive/pleasuretime.htm https://www.newsweek.com/man-accused-simultaneously-working-principal-two-schools-located-400-miles-apart-1656001 https://medium.com/@hannah.fluxgold/the-confused-math-lady-meme-bd97530b1885

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• 1:31Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, a.k.a. Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:13Laci Mosley?

  We are the champions, my friends. We'll keep on scamming till the end. Ba ba ba. We are the scammers. Uh. We are the robbers. Uh. No time for police. No time. Cause we are the scam. Yeah, you get where we're going with this. Hey y'all, what's up? What's poppin' congregation? Uh, if you know, you know, we won the iHeart Radio Award for Best Crime, which is absolutely crazy. Uh, thank you guys so much for listening and telling your friends about robbery and also letting your kids stream it after Paw Patrol in the other room.

• 2:58Laci Mosley?

  We all did our part. Um, absolutely should not be in this category. Y'all know we are a comedy podcast that is also doing true crime. But you know, we legit, like, hey, let me research it. We, we having, you know, articles, we be having, you know, footnotes. Okay, we be annotating, we be having a bibliography. So maybe we have become legitimate and I'm so sorry for that. But, uh, I just wanna say thank you, guys. Thank you all for listening and for coming back. Um, you know, obviously we recorded a lot during the pandemic. It's still the pandaroney. Pand- that's not even a word anymore. I can't even come up with fake words for the pandemic anymore. I was tired. Anyway, guys, that was a long intro. This is Scam Goddess Podcast. If you don't know, if you're new to the show, my name is Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess.

• 3:43Laci Mosley?

  And this is a show all about true crime, robbery, fraud, um, and those who committed and practicing. We love them, we stand most of the time. Guys, I'm very, yes, you know, I'm just gonna keep it, keep it to what we always do. I'm very excited, I am, truly. Uh, this is a repeat guest. Uh, we don't know if it's the third time or the second time. I think second, he thinks third. It's the third, Lacey. He's trying, ain't nobody finished introducing you. Hello. It's all right, mute my, mute me, mute me. Mute me, I'm sorry. Cancel, cancel. This is absolutely ridiculous, guys. You see what I have to deal with? But guys, this is a good friend of mine. I've known him for many years. He's super. Talented, he's an actor, comedian, he's a podcaster himself.

• 4:27Laci Mosley?

  He is a voice actor, which I told you, you have to be in the Illuminati to do. So, oh, I shouldn't say, oh, no, the people. Okay, I take it back. He's not in the Illuminati. And he's a friend of the show, guys, please. Oh, and you know what? Let me, let me just drop some credits on y'all. I don't know, let's just do that too. You've seen him on shows like Lays on Demand and ABC's Bless This Mess. He hosts, produced his own podcast with iHeartRadio, Head Come, Earwolf, and some of those podcasts include Culture Kings, which was nominated for the 2021 Ambi Award for Best Comedy. Okay. Um, you can check him out on the upcoming season of Physical on Apple TV. Okay. Okay, Physical on Apple TV, getting an Apple coin. Congregation, please welcome Jakissneal to the show.

• 5:10Speaker 05

  Oh, I can talk now, y'all. I can talk now. On the congregation, the deacon is back. I'm calling myself a deacon. I don't know if anybody else is calling me that, but I've been wanting to be a deacon since I saw my granddaddy doing it. So this is my chance, since I don't go to church, so.

• 5:25Laci Mosley?

  I mean, get your white gloves out.

• 5:27Speaker 05

  Oh, get my white gloves, pass off the tithing offerings.

• 5:30Laci Mosley?

  Will not let you count the money. You can wear the gloves on and you can pass the basket. You cannot pick the basket up.

• 5:38Speaker 05

  I can pass it to the first person.

• 5:39Laci Mosley?

  Yes, down the pew, and then I'll be at the end of the pew. I do all of the receiving of baskets.

• 5:44Speaker 05

  Okay, okay. I mean, but both of us gonna steal the money, though, so like, you at least. Not steal, the money is for you. That's right. The money is yours. It's your church.

• 5:53Laci Mosley?

  For me, it's for the, the community. Like, we gotta build and fund, things gotta get built.

• 5:59Speaker 05

  Lacey, Lacey.

• 6:01Laci Mosley?

  We got heating and cooling.

• 6:04Speaker 05

  You know damn well that tithing offering money is going to the pastor.

• 6:08Laci Mosley?

  No, not in my, not in my church, okay?

• 6:11Speaker 05

  In your church, your church scamming you then.

• 6:14Laci Mosley?

  Who's gonna, who gonna buy these little baskets to put the money in?

• 6:17Speaker 05

  Take it to motherfuckers on Amazon.

• 6:18Laci Mosley?

  Square charges a percentage, because we do take cards. You know, there's, there's places this money is going, it's all accounted for.

• 6:25Speaker 05

  You're right, you're right. The tithes go to the church and the offerings go to the pastor.

• 6:31Laci Mosley?

  Now, don't act like there wasn't a love offering. The love offering was going to the pastor and that one they didn't lie about. They would be like, and now we have a love offer for pastors anniversary. I never understood why we had to celebrate pastors' relationship anniversary.

• 6:45Speaker 05

  We did, we did. And let me tell you something, pastors be cheating too. It wasn't our business.

• 6:50Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that's very almost like, what's the word? It feels like a little cheap of the men pastors to be like, okay, baby, you know what time it is? It's time for our anniversary. Like, take me to Cancun. Let me, you know, get a baptismal in the frigging Pacific or Indian Atlantic. Like, don't, why, why, why is the church doing our anniversary?

• 7:10Speaker 05

  Because the pastors ain't got no money, you know? Although they flying the jets and driving the Benz and they doing the service. They doing the service, I know that. But, you know, they need the congregation to pay for them. I mean, listen, where you trying to go, Lacey? Where you trying to go?

• 7:24Laci Mosley?

  I mean, like, I wanna go to church and cake, cause I wanna go to a lot of places. But here's my thing, if it is an anniversary, if that's what we're celebrating, then why does it have to be a cash gift? Can I bring some chocolate covered strawberries?

• 7:34Speaker 05

  I can't spend chocolate covered strawberries, though. They melt. One person can give some chocolate strawberries, but, you know. You know how you go down a gift list and it says like, only one can give this, but then there's cash?

• 7:46Laci Mosley?

  Now I gotta registry?

• 7:47Speaker 05

  That? It's a registry.

• 7:49Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 7:49Speaker 05

  And my church is a registry because we, you know, we modern, you know, we millennials and we got Gen Z'ers up in here. We ain't just paying with cash, we got Cash App.

• 7:57Laci Mosley?

  See, I'm talking about things that actually happen in church, Jakis. You're talking about the church that you're actually trying to make up.

• 8:03Speaker 05

  I'm trying to make a church.

• 8:05Laci Mosley?

  Registry on a, on a pastor's anniversary. I just wanna know if I can give a gift instead of cash. You know what I mean? Can I give them Cardi B's whipped shots?

• 8:13Speaker 05

  I don't think you can do that. I don't think you can do that. I think it's all cash. I think it's all cash. Like I said, I haven't been to church in a minute, but there's a lot of new age churches now. I'm pretty sure there's some churches that's taking crypto and shit.

• 8:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my gosh. If the church ever told me I could tithe in Ethereum, like, we gotta fight. Like, get up, get up, get out the pulpit right now because it's time to toss these holy hands. Like, are you kidding me? But, Jakis, we always ask, what is your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you love them, do you hate them? You've been on the show before, but has anything new happened or?

• 8:47Speaker 05

  You know what?

• 8:48Laci Mosley?

  What, it could be anything.

• 8:49Speaker 05

  Here's the thing, can I tell you what I think is a scam?

• 8:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 8:53Speaker 05

  I'm gonna get in trouble for this. But I think liberalism and progressiveness is a damn scam. It's a scam. It's a scam. Let me tell you why it's a scam. Let me tell you why it's a scam. Cause we be fighting for shit. And, and like, listen, I be agreeing with the stuff too, but what people don't be realizing is when you talk about, man, we more, we want more people to pay their fair share of taxes and all that shit. That's cool for the billionaires and the millionaires. Leave us thousandaires alone, you know what I'm saying? You know, shit. Cause what the motherfuckers don't tell you is once you get out of the five-digit bracket, and you get into that six-digit bracket, taxes, I'm about to have my feelings hurt this tax season. We got so many rules and it's all a scam.

• 9:35Laci Mosley?

  And that's why, you know, we did leg 2020 on this show because it was a shot in the heart with Donald Trump and it was a shot in the leg with Joe Biden. There wasn't really a win.

• 9:44Speaker 05

  And the reason I say it's a scam is because to a degree I under, I do believe, I mean, personal responsibility is the thing. But like, we have turned personal responsibility into like a weapon against each other.

• 9:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 05

  Uh, in a way that is very fucking weird. It's very weird when this shit ain't my fault. Nothing, nothing is my fault. Like, you know what I'm saying? Nothing is our, like, we have, we elected people to be put in place to do the jobs for us. And yes, we have to do things for our fellow man. But the way we weaponize like all types of shit on both sides is so goddamn annoying. It's a scam. Because at the end of the day, it really truly feels like, don't shit change. So, I don't know. I don't know.

• 10:30Laci Mosley?

  I'm starting to like really understand my parents who like, I be all fired up about these elections. They be like, baby.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  I know. It's crazy.

• 10:38Laci Mosley?

  It's all gonna be the same. I'm like, but we are making progress. Very, you know, and much faster than they used to. You know what I mean? Like, uh, Black Lives Matter, you know, we was in the streets. We didn't have to get hosed or sicced by dogs. So that's a step up. We're still marching, but now we're marching in, uh, athletic shoes that will get us further for the long miles.

• 10:58Speaker 05

  We not, we not, we not marching in church shoes no more. You know what I'm saying?

• 11:02Laci Mosley?

  Those are, they don't got no grip.

• 11:03Speaker 05

  Our parents, that's why our parents so damn. Tired, they feet hurt. Motherfucker, they had no damn Yeezys or some, some Air Maxes with the cloud foam on they feet. They had wood on the bottom of they shoe.

• 11:16Laci Mosley?

  Marching on wood, bro.

• 11:18Speaker 05

  They marching on wood.

• 11:19Laci Mosley?

  I'm going to hell for laughing at them, but they really were. It was probably like all types of splinters in them joints when they got home, bro.

• 11:24Speaker 05

  Them ankles, them dogs was on fire, man. Go look, yo, everybody, all the black people that listen to this show. Next time you with your grandparents, go look at they feet. I bet you them motherfuckers tired.

• 11:35Laci Mosley?

  If I'm lucky enough to have them, I don't have any in my.

• 11:36Speaker 05

  To have your grandparents or your parents, go look at them feet, cause they tired.

• 11:41Laci Mosley?

  True, exhausted, clocked out. The last thing I want to say about that was like, you made a good point, Jacquis's about like, I feel like America has pitted ourselves like, you know, our government, so many people are pitting everyone who should be fighting together against one another and like, this is no new information. But it always makes me think like, you know, when people get upset about redistribution of wealth or welfare or any social programs that help level the playing field for people who were born with less fortunate situations than others. You know, people want to get mad about that and be like, you just need to work harder and all this BS and Elon earned his money and all this other crap. But like, nobody gets that mad about infrastructure. Like, our tax dollars go to building roads and stuff.

• 12:22Laci Mosley?

  And I never see people like, well, I paid more taxes than you, so you shouldn't even be out here on male roads.

• 12:29Speaker 05

  Fucking crazy.

• 12:30Laci Mosley?

  You don't pay, you, you were paying for the roads too and the traffic lights. Do you want people who don't make as much money as you not to use traffic lights? Like, yo, you just stop looking up there.

• 12:39Speaker 05

  And the way the system is set up.

• 12:41Laci Mosley?

  I paid for that.

• 12:42Speaker 05

  And the way the system is set up, everybody in the middle fucking pays way more than people at the top.

• 12:47Laci Mosley?

  Oh, bruh, every time I drive over a pothole, I just be like screaming at Jeff Bezos, cause it's truly not fair. Like, they coming for all my ends and, and more. And then Jeffrey up there just living good with his old cuba head ass. He dresses like a mannequin on South Beach. Like, if he was just walking past random stores.

• 13:06Laci Mosley?

  Like Jeff, what is going on?

• 13:09Speaker 05

  And not even at the good stores, at the discount stores too. At the discount stores on South Beach.

• 13:14Laci Mosley?

  If you're gonna be a billionaire just out here killing everybody and stealing all the resources, at least have some drip. Like you at least gotta be drip down. Every time you walk into the room, I mean, I almost want you to carry a cane. Like I need you to be like ridic- I need you to dress like a villain.

• 13:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I would, I would, oh, let me get a billion dollars. I'm wearing, I'm having a different cane every day, different alligator shoes. You want a monocle?

• 13:37Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I want just ridiculous, opulence, like, and it needs to be diamond encrusted. Like DJ Khaled showed off like a three million dollar watch that was like all these emerald shaped ugly ass diamonds the other day on Twitter. And everyone was like, this shit is so ugly. This is what you're doing with your money, like?

• 13:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what you're doing with this money. That shit is dope, probably. I want a Ric Flair robe. I want, I want a motherfucking Ric Flair robe and I want somebody following me with interest music.

• 14:06Speaker 05

  As I'm walking down the street, it's my greatest delight.

• 14:09Laci Mosley?

  Stop giving your keys money for things.

• 14:12Laci Mosley?

  I don't wanna see that version of you.

• 14:13Speaker 05

  Lacey, I just bought myself a WWF championship belt.

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• 17:14Speaker 05

  It is my great honor to want to be a wrestler.

• 17:17Laci Mosley?

  Let's get into our first segment here. What's hot and fraud? We're gonna just completely glaze over that. This is where we warn our listeners about fraud that's popping in the streets, and more often than not, we get a letter from you guys. As always, snitch on your friends and family at scamgotuspod at gmail dot com. Just make sure your scam is retired, so we don't what? Yes, fuck up yo bag. Amen. Uh, I need a fake name for this person. Um, normally I will just say any gender, any whatever, but they have. This scam is like very, very old and they have said that they're cisgendered men. So, yeah.

• 17:54Speaker 05

  So we need a name, we need a name. Alright, I'm gonna go Victor.

• 17:58Laci Mosley?

  Victor.

• 18:00Speaker 05

  Do you need a last name or just first name?

• 18:01Laci Mosley?

  Uh, let's go Johnson.

• 18:04Speaker 05

  Okay, Victor Johnson, Victor Johnson.

• 18:06Laci Mosley?

  So Victor Johnson says, I was listening to the movie Mom Scam of the Week. So this was last week with Blair Saki. Uh, when we were talking about Mama Donna. If you haven't heard it, it's a pretty wild scam. Uh, and it reminded me of something that my mom used to do for us as kids, all that also saved money on movies. They messed up when they let everybody that could afford a laptop have the quality, or excuse me, the ability to burn DVDs. Like, what did they think was gonna happen? My mom would rent the latest movies from Blockbuster on a one-day release and immediately burn them. Pretty simple, right? What put my mom over the top was this little scam. She also bought high gloss paper and labels in the shape of discs

• 18:49Laci Mosley?

  and blank DVD boxes, all in bulk in parentheses. Then she would scan the DVD and the box jacket cover and print them out on the labels and paper respectively. Once applied to the disc and jacket cover, it was like we bought the movie straight from Best Buy and had shelves of the latest movies for fractions of the retail price. Nothing major, but she was skilled with it and we always had the newest movies to enjoy as a family. Says, P S, as a cis straight black man from Texas, shout out to H-Town. Okay, H-Town, I'm from Dallas. Shut it down.

• 19:23Speaker 05

  You ain't got shit on that man, Sandy. What up, H-Town? I'm here with y'all, H-Town. I'm here with y'all. Even if Dallas ain't, I'm here with y'all.

• 19:32Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I just wanna let you know, and then this is in all caps, we do listen. That feels scary, Victor. That feels scary.

• 19:40Speaker 05

  See, you up here, you up here shitting on his sound and he ended that sentence, what we do listen.

• 19:44Laci Mosley?

  Right, I'm afraid. I think that was meant as a compliment, but I'm now in fear, okay? I'm shaking.

• 19:51Speaker 05

  Can I just say, can I just say that this is, I mean, did he, did he portray this as like a scam that was happening?

• 19:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so I guess what he said is that, see here's what bupped me.

• 20:02Speaker 05

  Brother, did you not grow up around other black niggas been doing this shit?

• 20:07Speaker 05

  I mean, look, kudos to your mama, I loved that she was doing it, but homie's been doing this since the sixties.

• 20:13Laci Mosley?

  I just feel like your mom could have taken it a step further. If she already has like the cases, the printing capability, she got that good gloss, y'all got a good printer in the crib. That's not so colored ink, like, are y'all sure she did, she made out on top? Did we crunch the numbers on this? Cause she's got a lot of, I feel like we could have just got one of those, remember those thick, um, it would be like a soft cover and it was like almost like a little purse for the CDs?

• 20:39Speaker 05

  Yup, you could just slide them in.

• 20:40Laci Mosley?

  You could have put all them CDs in a CD purse.

• 20:43Speaker 05

  Uh huh, get you a Sharpie.

• 20:45Laci Mosley?

  Right, but your mom was trying to, who was your mom doing this for? Was she printing out the real DVD covers so that when her homegirls came over, she could be like, I'm rich in DVDs? It feels like your mom was trying to stunt on the community.

• 20:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, your mom was scamming, she was trying to stunt, she was, she was faking it till she made it.

• 21:02Laci Mosley?

  It feels like a flex. I feel like she had all of them out, you know, in a little shelf and then people would come over. She'd be like, what y'all wanna watch? We got that new Saving Private Ryan, y'all wanna, I'm trying to watch that. Like, also, cause she's putting the disc safe CD on the CD. And if you bootlegging, you can just write in Sharpie what movie it is on top. She, she wanted people to think that it was best buy.

• 21:26Speaker 05

  I don't need Denzel's face on Remember the Titans, I can just re-remember the Titans. I ain't gotta see his face on the disc, I don't need that, I know who in it, I know Denzel in Remember the Titans. Also, I mean, listen, your mama was doing all that work for her kids. Which, look, I'm glad your mama loved you, mama love is great, parents loving their kids is great. Your mama should have been selling them motherfuckers to people up and down the street too.

• 21:49Laci Mosley?

  Own like a large coat that she could hang the CDs in like Brumman? And you know, just appear at salons and barber shops and open the coat. Sell the DVDs.

• 22:00Speaker 05

  She know, listen, when Big Mama House two came out, she could have made bank. She could have made bank on that movie. Everybody love Martin.

• 22:08Laci Mosley?

  Right, and she spelled it big. And just in case the cops show up, it's Big Mama House, T O O.

• 22:15Laci Mosley?

  Big Mama House two.

• 22:17Speaker 05

  Right, right. Oh, no, I got Big Mama House two, not this is Big Mama House two. No, I just got it also. I got it also.

• 22:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I got Big Mama House also. I don't have Big Mama House number two. Okay, that's a lead.

• 22:29Speaker 05

  Yo, you know what? The man already said he be listening, so we done spent the last five minutes shitting on his whole letter. I'm not shitting on your letter, brother.

• 22:37Laci Mosley?

  I'm not shitting on it.

• 22:38Speaker 05

  We ain't shitting on your letter. I love that your mama did that for y'all. It was dope, y'all. You had a little secret that y'all was keeping for yourself. We just saying your mama could have went further. That's all we saying.

• 22:48Laci Mosley?

  I'm just trying to understand who your mama was doing this for, okay? Because like, it's just like the professional quality. It's like she's returning the real DVD two blockbuster.

• 22:57Speaker 05

  Right.

• 22:57Laci Mosley?

  So all this professional quality shit, like who is that for?

• 23:00Speaker 05

  Right, if it really want to be a scam, she should have did all that shit and then gave them the bootleg. Cause you know that DVD gonna run out. After a while, so she got the real one. You know, after about fifty plays, that DVD gonna be scratching and skipping and shit.

• 23:18Speaker 05

  So she should have kept the real ones for us. That would have been a scam.

• 23:21Laci Mosley?

  Right, be like, we started at the FBI with Martin Lawrence, now, now he in a dress and he got shot. What happened? Oh, it skipped. It probably skipped.

• 23:29Speaker 05

  It skipped, it skipped, it skipped. Ooh, blockbuster, uh, quality done gone down, y'all.

• 23:35Laci Mosley?

  Which would have been believable because they did go out of business.

• 23:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. If you don't have kids, when you get kids, my brother, or Victor, I should say, cause you know, however you identify, but Victor.

• 23:47Laci Mosley?

  You know, I identify as a brother.

• 23:49Speaker 05

  You may not identify as a brother, you know what I'm saying? Uh, but whenever you get kids, or if you have kids, when you do some scammy shit, I just want you to think. You know, we got a thing in improv lately, so you know this, we call it going A to C, you know what I'm saying? Uh, your mama went A to B. I want you to take that extra step and go to C. You know, go to C.

• 24:08Laci Mosley?

  I'm not talking about Victor Mama, you gonna get this cut. Need I remind you, the end of the email says, "We do listen." So I'm not, I'm, I don't want to upset him.

• 24:19Speaker 05

  Shout out to your mama, Victor. She's dope.

• 24:22Laci Mosley?

  It's time for Historic Hood Wings, my favorite part of the show. This is where we regale Jaquiese with the famous con caper group of criminal squad. Uh, maybe we like him, maybe we hate him, we'll see. Uh, today we're talking about a scam that started in the early 90s. A stowaway found frozen in the wheel well of a plane made international headlines. Well, that's a dark note to start on. Um, I don't know.

• 24:48Speaker 05

  International headlines.

• 24:49Laci Mosley?

  He was known as the kind of orphan teenager trying to escape for, like, to America for a better life. Little did anyone know, he would grow up to become one of the world's most talented criminals. Okay, so he was found frozen, but not to death, is what I'm guessing?

• 25:07Speaker 05

  Right, yeah, so, so he was frozen.

• 25:10Laci Mosley?

  Why you write this like this?

• 25:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:11Laci Mosley?

  So he was just really cold? Because when I hear frozen, that means dead.

• 25:16Speaker 05

  That means, yeah, or he got some missing parts, he got some fingers missing or something.

• 25:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's, I just have never heard, like, "We found her frozen," and then the next sentence is, "She was fine."

• 25:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, the next sentence is, "She became a villain." Yeah, she became a villain, y'all motherfuckers froze her.

• 25:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, y'all froze her.

• 25:36Speaker 05

  She was mad.

• 25:38Laci Mosley?

  Yo, if I thaw out, maybe that would keep me alive, just the anger, the sheer rage can keep me warm inside. Like, bitch, if I ever thaw out, it's over for you both.

• 25:46Speaker 05

  You, you freeze me and I unthaw, I'm turning into the goddamn Joker.

• 25:52Laci Mosley?

  Don't let me thaw out.

• 25:53Speaker 05

  Don't let me thaw out. You better make sure I stay frozen.

• 25:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that was such a weird way to write that, but also hilarious. But look, guys, it's a already a positive upswing.

• 26:04Speaker 05

  Already. And she became a criminal, a world class. Of course, they, okay, this person became a world class criminal. They survived death.

• 26:13Laci Mosley?

  Right. So, the stowaway. One summer night in nineteen ninety-three, a mechanic in Miami National Airport opened the wheel well of a DC eight cargo jet as a part of a routine security check. I'm glad y'all be opening everything. I appreciate the security checks. Instead of finding it empty, the mechanic found a body wearing only a T-shirt and cutoffs curled in a ball, unconscious and frozen like an ice cube.

• 26:38Speaker 05

  What?

• 26:39Laci Mosley?

  I also feel like, I don't know, if I stowed away in a plane, I feel like I probably would have wore cutoffs too, thinking it was gonna be hot in, in there. But in reality, you are thirty-five thousand feet in the air and clouds and stuff. So it could, it's probably chilly. You should have wore a coat.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, and we be putting dogs and shit down there too. Uh, that shit is wild.

• 27:04Laci Mosley?

  Don't bring that up.

• 27:05Speaker 05

  I don't, I don't know what made me think of that right now.

• 27:07Laci Mosley?

  Fighto. It's not Fighto down there freezing.

• 27:10Speaker 05

  Fighto, Fighto cold, man. Fighto, that's why Fighto be acting different every time y'all bring him home from the truck.

• 27:15Laci Mosley?

  Only put your Iditarod dogs on the plane. Uh, Fluffy and them, they not built for that life.

• 27:21Speaker 05

  Mm-mm.

• 27:22Laci Mosley?

  They're not built for the plane stowaway. But yeah, it's chilly.

• 27:25Speaker 05

  Frozen like an ice cube. Wow. It, one of two things. Either this person is, the person who wrote this has a beautiful imagination and is hyperbolic as hell, or this person is a superhero. How you frozen like an ice cube and you still alive? That don't compute in my brain either.

• 27:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz the ice cube is like, mm, solid.

• 27:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:50Laci Mosley?

  I feel like when humans, like when we get solid, like that's pretty much it's over for us.

• 27:57Speaker 05

  That's a new shirt. Humans, when we get solid, it's over.

• 28:00Laci Mosley?

  We're not supposed to be complete solid.

• 28:01Speaker 05

  We're not supposed to be solid. We're supposed to have some softness.

• 28:04Laci Mosley?

  Maybe he was like an ice cube. You know when you real desperate to have ice and, and, um, and you have a ice, uh, the little ice tray? Like I remember in college, like, we need ice for drinks. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna throw some water in this ice tray and put it in the freezer. So then you checking it every like five minutes, like, is it frozen?

• 28:20Speaker 05

  Right, and it got that little layer, get that little top layer, okay.

• 28:24Laci Mosley?

  Skin and little top, and then in the middle is still a water. So maybe that's what kind of cube he was. Like, he was just mysteriously.

• 28:31Speaker 05

  Maybe he was just a top layer of ice. Just a top layer of ice. He wasn't frozen all the way through.

• 28:37Laci Mosley?

  And sorry we laughing at frozenness. Uh, if you, if you've been frozen.

• 28:41Speaker 05

  We sorry. We sorry. Also, email and tell your story, because we wanna know how you here.

• 28:46Laci Mosley?

  Let it go. In the scam goddess pod email address, okay, let us know when you was frozen. So, paramedics arrived on the scene within fifteen minutes. The first paramedic declared the boy dead. Damn. So he was like, all right. He saw the frozenness and was like, that, that's what we got. We declared a man, we didn't even see him. We just heard frozen, it was like dead. Like, yeah. The second just barely found a pulse. Okay, come on, second paramedic. I'm glad we got a second opinion here because they was about to throw our frozen homie in the, in, in the morgue.

• 29:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:21Laci Mosley?

  So, the plane had been carrying flowers from Bogota, Colombia, and three and a half, it's like a three and a half hour flight away. Meaning that anyone stowed in the wheel well for that time survived negative fifty degree temperatures at thirty thousand feet for three and a half hours. So you feel different.

• 29:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. That, man, every time, the old, I've never used to be scared of flying, and I'm still not. But as I get older, every time I get scared of flying, a half percent of me realizes, this is the craziest shit.

• 29:57Speaker 05

  It's fucking crazy. Like, we are in a tube.

• 30:01Laci Mosley?

  In there.

• 30:02Speaker 05

  That I don't understand how it's just in the damn air. And we just, we just traveling at like four hundred miles an hour across the sky.

• 30:12Laci Mosley?

  And it's also other people. It's mad other tubes. It's other tubes from different countries.

• 30:17Speaker 05

  That's going all over the plate.

• 30:19Laci Mosley?

  And we not running into each other.

• 30:21Speaker 05

  I, like I said, I'm not scared of flying, but every time I get up in the motherfucking air, a part of me just thinks this is insane. What we're doing.

• 30:29Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no, I'm scared of flying. Every time I get on the flight, I'm like, let me just surrender. Like, if I die, die. It's not in my hands anymore. I'm like, when, when the drink people come around, I'm like, please, yes, I would love alcohol cause I'm trying, this is it for me.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, I might get there because it's crazy. And then also you, it's negative fifty degrees up there. Like, what are we doing? What are we doing? It's, it's wild.

• 30:55Laci Mosley?

  And also like shout out to Janelle James. I'm not gonna like, I don't wanna spoil her special, but listen, like get into her special on Netflix, um, the stand ups. She's brilliant, Abbott and Almond. She's, she's been on this podcast, ew, um, but I love her so much, but, uh, she talks about in her stand up special. And I'll say this because Netflix has used the soundbite as like advertisement, so it's out there. But she talks about how because of the COVID price lowering of planes, that there's bus people on the plane now.

• 31:23Speaker 05

  Niggas don't know how to act on planes.

• 31:27Laci Mosley?

  And that really got me thinking. I'm like, this whole time we had this etiquette on the plane, like we, you know, we'll wear our little mask, we'll sit down, we'll be quiet. And now I'm like, if the bus people are on the plane, like, why did not, they could just open the door. While we in the air, they could just open the door.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  I know. That's the craziest shit. Like, it don't take, it's just, we can open the door and we done. We're done.

• 31:51Laci Mosley?

  And when we say bus people, I'm not talking about if you take public transportation every day on that bus.

• 31:56Speaker 05

  We're talking about the Greyhound people.

• 31:57Laci Mosley?

  I'm talking about the Greyhound.

• 31:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, we're talking about the Greyhound. We're talking about the Megabuses.

• 32:01Laci Mosley?

  I've ridden the Greyhound. I've ridden the Megabus. I'm allowed to say this. This is not. Punching down, but don't act like you ain't got on one of those buses. If you got a good sense and be like, hmm, these people are peculiar.

• 32:14Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. The people on the mega bus, especially when it's them penny bus. I didn't, I didn't took the penny buses before a couple of places.

• 32:22Laci Mosley?

  Cute. It used to be like a college thing, or at least where I was in Pennsylvania. We would take it, you know, from Pittsburgh to Philly or Pittsburgh to New York. It was very much like a collegey, like clean bus, wifi, double decker, like it was, it seemed, it was nice and fun. And then one day, it just felt like the Greyhound people heard about it and it was over.

• 32:42Speaker 05

  You mean to tell me we can get on a bigger bus? Oh, let's run that.

• 32:47Laci Mosley?

  Clean that we can dirty it up. Like I can change my baby on the table that the college students used to use for their papers.

• 32:55Speaker 05

  And it got the wifi. Oh, we there. Oh, we there.

• 33:01Laci Mosley?

  Tragic, tragic. So I, I do think about that. So despite the dangers, the boy could have suffered such as like hypoxia, nitrogen gas embolism and decompression sickness. He was awake and talking with officials three hours later the same day. The boy told investigators his name was Guillermo Rosales and he was thirteen years old and that he was from California. Or excuse me, Cali Columbia. I thought he said he was from California for a second because I said Cali, but he's from Cali Columbia. He said his parents had died six months previously in a bus accident. Oh damn, now we was talking about buses now.

• 33:39Laci Mosley?

  That's why he dropped out of school. Damn. So with no one else to house or feed him, he decided his chances of stowing away on an airplane to the US were better than staying where he was. Guillermo's story made international headlines. Trusts were set up for him. He found a pro bono immigration lawyer and a couple from Washington offered to adopt him. I feel like if you're a couple for Washington offering to adopt this, oh, he's cute. Little kid. I think it's funny that the couple in DC is like, we want to adopt him. Be like a little party favor, you weirdos. We adopt to the boy from the news. Everyone, we're having a salon.

• 34:16Speaker 05

  We'll break out the fine china.

• 34:18Laci Mosley?

  Right, and the cheese.

• 34:20Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 34:20Laci Mosley?

  And the fig jam. He's gonna tell us all about the airplane.

• 34:24Speaker 05

  Can I also say, this story, I'm excited for this story even more because it's about to have one hell of a turn because everything so far, this motherfucker is a hero.

• 34:35Laci Mosley?

  He's got a trust, people wanna adopt him, you know. A Miami police detective, Hado Lozano, offered to house him in the meantime. He said Guillermo was always quiet, grateful, and fitted in well. Mmm, fitted in well, sounds like a scammer to me. However, toys around the house began to go missing. And once, when the family was out, Guillermo was found to have $200 in jewels he stole from hotel guests. What? That jumped the shark.

• 35:05Speaker 05

  Okay, went from toys to jewels?

• 35:09Speaker 05

  Boy went from stealing Legos to crystals.

• 35:12Laci Mosley?

  Right, he took a few Legos and said, okay, well, I could probably make a pearl work.

• 35:19Laci Mosley?

  It took authorities two weeks to realize there was no Guillermo Rosales and that his story was far different from what he had told everyone. Oh, no.

• 35:28Speaker 05

  Okay, alright.

• 35:30Laci Mosley?

  So he said he was 13, right?

• 35:31Speaker 05

  Right.

• 35:32Laci Mosley?

  He's 17.

• 35:34Speaker 05

  Okay, okay.

• 35:36Laci Mosley?

  Columbia officials discovered that Guillermo Rosales, a 13-year-old boy, was 17-year-old Juan Carlos Guzman Beck- Bedenker. Wow, with a living aunt in Miami and very likely an alive mother in Colombia.

• 35:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:53Laci Mosley?

  He was a result of an affair between a rich man with nine other children and a woman who would end up rejecting him. Between his father, who had no part in raising him, and his mother, who tried to give him to another family member who subsequently wouldn't take him, Juan had only known rejection from childhood. Now, here's what I'm gonna say. Juan is not giving good vibes.

• 36:17Speaker 05

  No, no, no.

• 36:17Laci Mosley?

  I feel like he was a kid with bad vibes and his mom gave him up because she was like, he got bad vibes.

• 36:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, also, there's a picture of him up on the screen right now. And I don't know when this picture was taken, but homie look at least about thirty-five in this picture right here. Like.

• 36:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I think the other picture is the one where we saw where he looked younger. That was him at seventeen.

• 36:37Speaker 05

  That was, yeah, cuz he did still look older for thirteen there too, like in that other picture that we saw.

• 36:43Laci Mosley?

  Right. But with television, like, people don't know what thirteen looks like anymore. You got thirty-year-olds on Euphoria, you know.

• 36:51Speaker 05

  But this is ninety-three, right? This is ninety, this is ninety, I mean.

• 36:54Laci Mosley?

  It was even worse back then, though. Think about the movies in the nineties where literally, like, everybody would be in their forties at the high school, like, no, mom. Who would have hang out, like.

• 37:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, Henry Winkler was fucking Fonzie. That nigga was fifty.

• 37:06Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 37:07Speaker 05

  On Happy Days. My man was a middle-aged man playing ice skater on Happy Days.

• 37:13Laci Mosley?

  As soon as Happy Days wrapped, he started selling AARP. We were like, it was fast.

• 37:18Speaker 05

  He went from Happy Days to selling retirement plans on commercials.

• 37:22Laci Mosley?

  To Life Alert. Like, wait a minute. We're missing something here.

• 37:27Speaker 05

  Oh, shit. There's also the possibility, not to prolong this part, but there's also a possibility that, and this is me giving the criminals and the scammers, uh, the benefit of the doubt, cuz that's what we do. Uh, there's also the possibility that you asked him too many questions too soon after he was a frozen ice cube. His brain was probably scrambled. He probably really thought he was thirteen.

• 37:49Laci Mosley?

  Now, he thawed out for three hours, though.

• 37:51Speaker 05

  I, I mean.

• 37:54Speaker 05

  I, we gotta get a brain a little bit more time. Alright, okay.

• 37:57Laci Mosley?

  He was room temp by then.

• 37:58Speaker 05

  Room temperature, okay, okay. Hey, listen, you the scam goddess. I, I'm learning at your feet, so.

• 38:04Laci Mosley?

  And he had his story ready.

• 38:05Speaker 05

  Okay, you right. He wasn't, he wasn't incoherent, like, I think I'm fourteen, no, I'm thirteen. Like, he was ready, like, okay, you're right.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  He said he was Guillermo Rosales. He already had a name. It wasn't like he was like, I'm Johnny Couchwater. Like, you know, he wasn't like.

• 38:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, he didn't come up with Mrs. Doubtfire. He came up with Guillermo.

• 38:28Laci Mosley?

  He didn't do a Mrs. Doubtfire, just survey the room and make a name up. He had Guillermo Rosales ready.

• 38:35Speaker 05

  Okay.

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• 41:32Laci Mosley?

  So additionally, growing up in like, growing up gay in the machismo culture of Guayave, Columbia and the like a kind of shanty down on the outskirts of Cali. I don't know what a shanty down is, but I'm guessing it's like, oh, okay, we have a photo. It's like a

• 41:49Speaker 05

  It's a shack.

• 41:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like some, like some kind of shacks in the forest, it looks like.

• 41:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:56Laci Mosley?

  It's giving forest. But there's also like a nice looking house back there too, so.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Yeah, like that's the crazy thing about some of like these international places I've been to. I've been to Columbia and I was in Carthage, I ain't in Columbia and it's why, like normally you don't get like a mansion, like here in America and many places, you don't get like a mansion and then a motor home right next door to each other. But over there you will, you'll get a mansion and then about 40 yards down the street is the poorest motherfucking house that you've ever seen in your life. And like, and it's, it's pretty wild.

• 42:35Laci Mosley?

  Feel about that.

• 42:36Speaker 05

  I don't either. It's very, it was very

• 42:38Laci Mosley?

  Is it better that it's not segregated? Cause I've been at least like, you gotta get some kind of benefit for living next to the mansion, right?

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, I guess so. And listen, if it was me, I, I want, I want us to be segregated. I'm talking as a, I'm talking as a poor person. I'm talking as a poor person, not as a rich person. As a poor person.

• 42:55Laci Mosley?

  No, I know you're talking about as a poor person, but that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't know. Do I want to live near the mansion?

• 43:00Speaker 05

  I don't want to remind, I don't want to be reminded that I ain't got money.

• 43:04Laci Mosley?

  But I mean, the mansion person has to be, you know, at least making sure the wifi is good. Maybe.

• 43:09Speaker 05

  That's true. That's true.

• 43:10Laci Mosley?

  Something I can get off.

• 43:11Speaker 05

  You're right. You're right. You can hear clear music when they have parties and shit.

• 43:15Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 43:18Speaker 05

  You're right. You're right.

• 43:19Laci Mosley?

  It's terrible. Man, I'm gonna get canceled right after I win that damn award.

• 43:22Speaker 05

  I know. I'm sorry, Lacey. You the one that bought me on here.

• 43:27Laci Mosley?

  Wow, and immediately blamed me. Blaming immediately. I'm so sorry, but this was your choice. Anyways, continue. Um, so this is on the outskirts of Cali and, you know, he had his own difficulties because he's a gay man. He's living in a culture that does not, you know, embrace that. And that's very difficult as well. Um, in July, nineteen ninety-three, Juan was deported back to Colombia, looking very different from the scurvy Stowaway in a new suit and a new pair of Sony headphones. So they sent him back to Colombia, but they said, you can keep the drip.

• 44:00Laci Mosley?

  That's, I, I, I'm with that.

• 44:01Speaker 05

  I like that, yeah.

• 44:02Laci Mosley?

  After becoming known to the world as a miracle stowaway, Juan's charm, fluency in four languages, and uncanny ability to pick wealthy targets would lead him to a long career as a gentleman thief. Come on, gentleman thief.

• 44:14Speaker 05

  Gentleman thief. I mean, like, he, here's the thing, like, he, he hasn't, he's an attractive dude. Right? And, and like, and you can tell that he has charisma. Anybody that can untall and get your story straight and within three hours, got Will Smith level charisma.

• 44:32Laci Mosley?

  That's popping. And honestly, like, if I get robbed, like, I do want to just have the lingering scent of Tom Ford or Aqua Velva or something where I'm like, wow, a gentleman thief.

• 44:43Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. You get the, cause he, he, he talking to the, to your pheromones, to the right part of your pheromones. He gets you, he disar, he's disarming. There's nothing worse than a disarming criminal. Because those are motherfuckers that be stealing the most. Cause you don't see it. You don't see it coming. And you feel comfortable around them and they take advantage of that.

• 45:03Laci Mosley?

  And you let him do it multiple times.

• 45:05Speaker 05

  Exactly, exactly. That's Guillermo.

• 45:09Laci Mosley?

  So with Kwan's forging his, like, he was forging his own fake IDs and stealing passports, nothing could stop him. In the summer of 2003, a string of burglaries hit Las Vegas. So he's back in the States, okay, dipping a toe in the USA. In particular, the head of security at illustrious Four Seasons, the hotel you know, had a story to tell about a man who called himself Daniel Gold. Okay, now this name is a little sloppy.

• 45:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, but now that, now that brain freezing caught up with him. He's just looking around, Daniel, uh, Gold?

• 45:42Laci Mosley?

  Gold?

• 45:44Speaker 05

  Well, the ceiling is go- gold, gold.

• 45:46Laci Mosley?

  Gold, Daniel Gold. I'm toning money?

• 45:50Speaker 05

  I'm, uh, I'm, uh, I'm Joseph Ringlight?

• 45:56Laci Mosley?

  This is from your own place?

• 45:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:58Laci Mosley?

  He was trying to give the girls, like, richness, though. He was like, you know, Daniel Gold. A handsome, smartly dressed young man had walked into the hotel and gone directly to the receptionist and told her he wanted his up-to-date room charges. Several minutes later, he returned to the front desk, saying he misplaced his room key and needed a new one.

• 46:18Laci Mosley?

  For proof, he offered ID with his photo, the name Daniel Gold. It was later discovered that he had an additional room where he'd photocopy and forge documents. With his new key, so the man known as Mr. Gold went up to his $4,000 a night suite. But when he entered, he heard voices of the actual Gold family's children and a nanny from an adjoining room. So basically, he was at the hotel in, like, a crappier room, and he was copying people's passports and copying their IDs, and then he'd be like, "I'd like to see my up-to-date room charges." So Daniel Gold was a real person, and he went up to the room. I'm not, this is where I am confusing. You know the real Daniel Gold hasn't checked out, so...

• 46:59Speaker 05

  Right, so why you, yeah, and you had to, at some point, get into his room anyway to steal his shit, right?

• 47:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so when he heard the nanny and the children, he left the suite and using a phone in the hallway connected to the room pretended to be a staff member telling the nanny that Mr. Gold wished to see his children in the spa and they should leave immediately. So he, so he didn't give up. When he heard the nanny and the kids in the room, he left, he went outside, he was like, hello, this is the Four Seasons, uh, this is Clive speaking.

• 47:33Speaker 05

  Turned this man into Oliver Twist.

• 47:36Laci Mosley?

  Mr. Gold would love to see his kids during his massage. He said he gotta see them real quick right now.

• 47:46Speaker 05

  He's just like, where you calling from, man? We in Vegas.

• 47:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I know, I work at the Four Seasons. My name is, uh, Clive Light Switch.

• 47:57Speaker 05

  Oh, oh, Light Switch. Alright, I'll be right down, I'll be right down.

• 48:02Laci Mosley?

  So, once they left, the phone Mr. Gold called the front desk and said his room safe wasn't working. An hour later, the actual Gold family arrived to find the safe unlocked and more than $200,000 worth of jewels, Rolex watches, and cash, gone. As room after room of wealthy patrons were raided, it became clear that not only had Juan become exceptionally skilled at discovering key information and using it to take advantage of the vulnerabilities in security, he picked his victims with uncanny precision. So he could tell if you really were about that money life.

• 48:34Speaker 05

  Right.

• 48:35Laci Mosley?

  Like, he could tell who was big balling and who was shot calling.

• 48:39Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 48:40Laci Mosley?

  Cause I've, I've never been to a hotel and was like, let me put $200,000 worth of valuables in a hotel safe. That just seems really dumb.

• 48:49Speaker 05

  Is, uh, why you bring, what you bringing that for?

• 48:52Laci Mosley?

  Is your Rolex not waterproof? You better tell them to massage underneath the Rolex. You better keep that bitch on. You better tell them to stick a finger under there.

• 49:01Speaker 05

  Stick a finger under underwear of the Rolex?

• 49:06Laci Mosley?

  And rub that wrist.

• 49:07Speaker 05

  Oh, you trying to, nah, don't massage my wrist. My wrist all good. My wrist good. My wrist feel great. My wrist, I don't need no massage on my wrists.

• 49:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. If you have enough shit that's that valuable at a hotel, like, you kind of moving weird. Like, why are you taking all that shit with you?

• 49:24Speaker 05

  You don't need it.

• 49:24Laci Mosley?

  If you're not gonna wear it on your body.

• 49:27Speaker 05

  You don't need it.

• 49:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 49:28Speaker 05

  You don't need it. You don't need it at all.

• 49:30Laci Mosley?

  That's what I also say about designer luggage. Like, if you wanna get designer luggage, you better be flying private. And if you wanna have a designer, it needs to be a carry-on so that you're always taking it with you on the plane.

• 49:41Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 49:42Laci Mosley?

  Cause if y'all are checking Louis bags, y'all are dumb. Are you kidding me? TSA can open up your bag, break your lock for any old reason. They've done it to me. Several times.

• 49:51Speaker 05

  And they ain't gonna take care of that shit. They gonna purposely throw that shit in there. Oh, Louis bag, hit that, hit every wall in the motherfucking airplane.

• 50:02Speaker 05

  They gonna purposely fuck you up with that.

• 50:04Laci Mosley?

  On the plane too.

• 50:05Speaker 05

  They be throwing that shit.

• 50:06Laci Mosley?

  Kicking it, pushing it all in. They wanna make sure your shit looks rough by the time you get back. So, not smart. So, the Golds were on vacation because their house was being renovated and brought all their valuables with them for fear of being robbed.

• 50:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so, Golds, how did y'all let smooth-talking, nice-smelling-ass Juan get you to tell this much personal information? We were on vacation. You can make you some little vacation friends. I know couples get bored. Y'all got these kids. I got the nanny. Y'all can pawn them off on. Maybe y'all thought I was making a little bonding situation. But don't tell people that. That's just like if you have a Facebook or even a Twitter. You don't need to tell people when you're out of town. Mostly on Facebook, cause they might know where you live. Don't tell people when you're out of town on Facebook, so you can get robbed.

• 50:53Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah. It's dumb. It's dumb. I, the amount that we feel comfortable talking to strangers about personal shit is, is cause you thinking, Lord, I ain't gonna see them again. Also, you trying to make yourself look better, look cooler. And meanwhile, Juan up here like, I'm about to rob your ass.

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. Rob taking no. Juan taking notes.

• 51:17Speaker 05

  Juan was taking notes, baby. Juan was like, baby, I didn't survive.

• 51:21Laci Mosley?

  He's like, hello, chap. Yeah, my name's Daniel Gold. This is my wife, Hattie McTrophy. And we're just here because our place is being renovated. You know how that goes, old pal. You know when you're renovating. Oh, we took all our valuables. Didn't want the Mexicans to steal. You know what I mean?

• 51:36Speaker 05

  Not you, though. You're one of the good ones. You're at the Four Seasons.

• 51:41Laci Mosley?

  Juan's like, yeah, yeah, terrible Mexicans.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, man.

• 51:45Laci Mosley?

  Juan, why do you have that pen and paper? What are you doing over there?

• 51:48Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm writing stocks. I'm writing stocks.

• 51:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you're writing stocks? I love stocks. I'm a stocks man myself. You know, I got $200,000 in the safe. Like, you know, he's like, what are you doing?

• 51:58Speaker 05

  I got my trades upstairs.

• 52:00Laci Mosley?

  Dummy. Daniel, you deserve to be robbed. I don't feel bad for you. I don't feel bad for you.

• 52:04Speaker 05

  I don't feel bad for nobody in this story yet, like that Daniel's or that Juan is robbed, or Guillermo, I should say. What's his real name? Juan?

• 52:12Laci Mosley?

  Juan.

• 52:12Speaker 05

  Juan is his real name.

• 52:13Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Guillermo was his plane name.

• 52:15Speaker 05

  That's his plane?

• 52:16Laci Mosley?

  Juan is his real name.

• 52:18Speaker 05

  Guillermo is his plane name.

• 52:20Laci Mosley?

  Daniel Gold is his hotel name. So, in 2001, there was a string of similar unresolved robberies, or unsolved robberies, in London, where a man had stolen over $80,000 worth of jewelry cash from several luxury hotels and spent another $10,000 with a stolen credit card in a high-end clothes and chauffeur-driven Bentley. So, he took a credit card and was like, I'm gonna get the drip and I'm also gonna get a whip. A chauffeur. So, he's keeping up the facade because, you know, somebody pulls up in a high-end Bentley and they have a driver and they get out and they're like Armani, Privey, everything.

• 52:54Speaker 05

  You're not questioning nothing.

• 52:56Laci Mosley?

  No. So, not only did the man bag high-yielding thefts, like the Vegas robbery, he was interested in the money as he was, like, he was interested in the money as much as he was interested in the luxury goods and services. So, he was living life well. You know what I mean? Like, he knew how to spend coin, and I appreciate that. It was later discovered that during a night out, he had tipped the barman $30,000. Wait.

• 53:20Laci Mosley?

  He went out and as a tip, he gave a bar man a thirty thousand dollar Patek Philippe watch. I can't say it's Patek Philip Philippe.

• 53:29Speaker 05

  No, I don't know.

• 53:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's a really expensive watch.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  I can barely say Rolex.

• 53:35Laci Mosley?

  But a Patek, you know, I just know it's from like all the rap songs, but it's a thirty thousand dollar watch. And he was like, here you go, keep the change, like what? So unflappable and smooth was Juan's operation that during another robbery at a five star hotel in Beverly Hills, he was able to talk his way out even when the suite owner came back early. He told the couple that he was a member of the staff on a routine check and that as compensation for the unwanted surprise, he would send up a complimentary bottle of champagne. So they came back to their room.

• 54:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:09Laci Mosley?

  Juan, all in their safe. And he's wearing a suit, he's wearing Gucci, he's wearing Tom Ford, but he all in their safe. He's looking through the panty drawer and then, excuse me, and he's like, oh, hey, um.

• 54:22Speaker 05

  I'm just making sure your stuff is warm and folded and.

• 54:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we do these routine checks of the underwear drawers and um, it's just because terrorism is, you would be surprised.

• 54:33Speaker 05

  They be putting the anthrax in the panties.

• 54:35Laci Mosley?

  Mm hmm, and also in the minibar.

• 54:38Speaker 05

  Mm, mm, mm, mm, you don't want that, you don't want that.

• 54:40Laci Mosley?

  We've had a lot of cases, we call them eight seventy threes and um, y'all weren't supposed to see this, you know, I'm a sit, y'all like dumb.

• 54:49Speaker 05

  I'm gonna send y'all up a bottle, I'm gonna send y'all up a bottle for the inconvenience, oh, okay, go ahead. All right, you be, I love this hotel, they think of everything here, uh.

• 54:59Laci Mosley?

  This voice.

• 55:03Laci Mosley?

  He then left the room, went to the restaurant and ordered the hotel's most expensive bottle, charging it to the couple's account. When the Las Vegas detective started.

• 55:14Speaker 05

  I'mma send you up a bottle of champagne. He go down, hey, uh, send a bottle to my room. Put it on the room.

• 55:23Speaker 05

  Oh, I love this man.

• 55:24Laci Mosley?

  Look, he said, I'mma send you a bottle. He didn't say I'mma pay for it.

• 55:28Speaker 05

  Oh, I love this man.

• 55:33Laci Mosley?

  Like, he could take one L. Like, I know you stole a lot of money. You could take one L and just buy the bottle of champagne just to get off scot-free. You, you sent it and charged them.

• 55:43Laci Mosley?

  He's so disrespectful.

• 55:46Speaker 05

  Oh, that is fucking beautiful.

• 55:48Laci Mosley?

  He's rude. This is disrespectful. And I love it. So when the Las Vegas detectives started to hear about the similarities, they began contacting authorities around the world to gather stories and connect the dots. When a string of burglaries took place at several London top hotels in November two thousand four, authorities are ready for Juan. Wow. So now they're like, okay, it's two thousand four. Remember the, the, him sending a couple of the champagne that he, that they paid for, that was two thousand one. It's two thousand four. It's three years later. He is still, he's hopping the globe. He's going, you know, to all the posh cities and getting the girls.

• 56:23Speaker 05

  And at this point, this dude is under thirty, because if in ninety-three, he was seventeen, two thousand three, two thousand four, he only, he late twenties at that point, right?

• 56:33Laci Mosley?

  I mean, listen, this is what I call taking advantage of your twenties. You're, you're hot, you're young, supple skin. You get out there and you do those robberies. Yeah, you young thing.

• 56:44Speaker 05

  You sexy thing.

• 56:51Laci Mosley?

  So on occasion, Juan would pretend to be a guest, loitering in the lobby, drinking coffee in the lounge, or ordering drinks at the bar while actually profiling targets, grabbing names from discarded checks and eavesdropping on reception. Using misinformation and sometimes a fake ID, Juan could become anyone. In the final London burglary at the Dorchester on Park Lane, he stole around fifty thousand dollars worth of watches, cash, and clothes, including a two thousand dollar Valentino leather jacket and a Frank Mu- uh-uh, and a Frank Muller watch.

• 57:26Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 57:27Laci Mosley?

  Or Muller.

• 57:28Speaker 05

  I think it's Muller.

• 57:29Laci Mosley?

  I don't know this brand. Frank Muller. Yeah.

• 57:31Speaker 05

  I think I've heard of this brand.

• 57:32Laci Mosley?

  I was reading it like Mughlair, but it's not Mughlair. It's Mu- it's Muller. I think it's Muller. Frank Muller. So he stole a Valentino leather jacket and a Frank Moore watch. He was on, damn.

• 57:42Speaker 05

  I love this dude.

• 57:44Laci Mosley?

  He was on here robbing everybody.

• 57:46Speaker 05

  He was robbing, he was robbing, he was robbing everybody for the good shit, too.

• 57:50Laci Mosley?

  Right, and he pretty much exclusively seemed to do this at hotels. I think he found his niche, he knew how to work it. And when you think about it, hotels do have lots of places where you can get information from people. Like, if you wanted to see someone's hotel room, once they pay at a bar, if they leave a receipt, or you know, the checkout with the, you know, signed copy and the tip or whatever, you can open that and see what their room number was and their name. Or if you're listening to reception, people are giving their personal information right then and there. Like, there's so many places at hotels where you're giving up personal information to check in, check out, buy things.

• 58:27Speaker 05

  That's smart, that's smart.

• 58:28Laci Mosley?

  Never even thought about it.

• 58:28Speaker 05

  Let me tell you, and I love this movie. But they had the movie Catch Me If You Can with Leonardo DiCaprio, Frank Armiguel, also kind of similar to this dude, right? Uh, oh, you talked about it. So yeah, kind of similar to this dude, like going around, like running scams on like, things you wouldn't think you should run scam, and he was running crazy scams. I want to see a movie about this dude. Because this man was, this man was doing some, some crazy shit. Like, you know, at some, like, at some point, somebody in FBI had a beat on him, and they couldn't catch him for like two or three years.

• 59:04Laci Mosley?

  Oh, of course.

• 59:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:05Laci Mosley?

  Like, like, it took him forever to even put it together that this is probably the same person.

• 59:11Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:12Laci Mosley?

  And all of the thefts were the same. Also, y'all didn't have descriptions. Everybody wasn't like, he's really young and attractive Colombian man.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  Right. It ain't that many Colombian men out there robbing motherfuckers.

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  Not like this.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  Not like this, right.

• 59:28Laci Mosley?

  I don't think in, in any race, you, you could probably narrow it down if they were any race. Because like, who is out here just like robbing people in suits smelling like, you know, patchouli and old wood? Like, that's what I imagine he smells like. I imagine he smells so good.

• 59:43Speaker 05

  Smelling like bread.

• 59:45Laci Mosley?

  Hmm, it's very disarming when people smell good.

• 59:48Speaker 05

  It is.

• 59:48Laci Mosley?

  Just like, oh, they must have something going on.

• 59:50Speaker 05

  It is, it's disarming. It's disarming, disarming criminals.

• 59:54Laci Mosley?

  I always kick myself when I forget to put on perfume, because I'm like, oh, that's one of my superpowers. Like, people be like, you smell so good, you know?

• 1:00:00Speaker 05

  I need stuff for my cologne.

• 1:00:02Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, it's, you gotta give people a sensory experience.

• 1:00:05Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:00:05Laci Mosley?

  It's, it's good. So by December two thousand four, Scotland Yard detective Andy Swindells, what a last name, had been following Juan for several years. Ah, you're lame, Andy, you're following him for several years, you loser. Following him for several years, if you couldn't catch him in six months, you should have gave up, quit.

• 1:00:22Speaker 05

  Let this man live.

• 1:00:23Laci Mosley?

  Let him live, quit. So it was for that reason, he was able to immediately recognize Juan walking down the street after walking home from a bar around the corner. Dang, Andy. I hate, I hate you found him like this, Juan.

• 1:00:38Speaker 05

  He was probably, he was, he was like, you know what, I'm gonna take a night off of robbing people and just go have me a couple glasses of wine. Go ahead and dance to Ignition remix.

• 1:00:47Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  Cause that was out there, right?

• 1:00:49Laci Mosley?

  Juan does not listen to R. Kelly, I don't want that for him.

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  Not no more, but in two thousand four.

• 1:00:55Laci Mosley?

  In two thousand four, he probably could have been like, bounce, bounce.

• 1:00:57Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:01:00Laci Mosley?

  Shouldn't have been, but.

• 1:01:01Speaker 05

  He shouldn't have been. Also, didn't that name, he, he, the name just popped up, it says some Soriano or something. Was his name not even Juan?

• 1:01:08Laci Mosley?

  It was Juan. Can we see that mugshot again? So in the meantime, while they pull it up, Juan was immediately arrested and taken into custody while police were able to track down his apartment and finally find a trove of physical evidence to his thefts and multiple aliases. During questioning, Juan was held so hard to a fake alias that despite knowing the better detectives were almost fooled. So he, when they arrested him, he had a fake alias, he wasn't going by Juan.

• 1:01:36Speaker 05

  That's maybe what I saw.

• 1:01:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. He was eventually found guilty and sentenced to only three and a half years at, to the Stanford Hill Prison on the Isle of Shepe. Only, dang, Juan even got more sexier.

• 1:01:50Speaker 05

  Juan, Juan is an attractive ass dude.

• 1:01:53Laci Mosley?

  Yo, his hair, why he got the drip on in the hair? Cause he got a little polo.

• 1:01:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, he got like the perfect chiseled jaw with the right amount of stubble.

• 1:02:02Laci Mosley?

  These glasses?

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  Yo, Juan, Juan, wherever you at, bruh, you should be in Hollywood right now, man. You, you got A-list looks.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  Run me daddy, okay?

• 1:02:12Speaker 05

  You got them A-list looks, boy. Juan look like, Juan look like he gonna be the next Superman in the goddamn.

• 1:02:18Laci Mosley?

  Right, little Clark Kent ass Juan, oh my god. You want the keys to my safe, Juan?

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  Shit, you ain't have to do all that, baby. All you had to do was ask, you don't have to rob me.

• 1:02:29Laci Mosley?

  Juan, okay? Mmm, and not the two, yeah. Okay, I'm sorry, uh, we stay, we stay, he's, he doing it. I'm not mad at him.

• 1:02:40Speaker 05

  Shit, alright, now I know what I need to do to look better. I need to go get frozen like an ice cube.

• 1:02:45Laci Mosley?

  He did cryo at seventeen, he did three hours of cryo.

• 1:02:49Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 1:02:50Laci Mosley?

  And it worked out.

• 1:02:51Speaker 05

  Shit.

• 1:02:52Laci Mosley?

  Y'all do a cryo for fifteen minutes, it's not long enough.

• 1:02:55Speaker 05

  Not long enough, you gotta go freeze.

• 1:02:57Laci Mosley?

  Almost die.

• 1:02:59Speaker 05

  Shit.

• 1:02:59Laci Mosley?

  Cause his cells are regenerating, my goodness. Okay, so, he got three years i- in Sheppes. I'm guessing, the Sheppes sounds like some British shit. This is the sound. In America, we got prisons called Rikers, you know? We don't have prisons called Sheppes.

• 1:03:19Speaker 05

  Leavenworth. We got, we got fucking terrible names, we got shit that sounds scary.

• 1:03:27Laci Mosley?

  The name alone sounds terrifying. So this has to be in the UK. Sheppes, yeah, welcome to Sheppes prison.

• 1:03:37Speaker 05

  Shit.

• 1:03:38Laci Mosley?

  How would you like to be locked up today? Like, yeah, Sheppes in Kent, England, thank you, Marina. Uh, so yeah, we're right, Sheppes is definitely not in America. Cause America's prisons be like Shank murder correctional facility.

• 1:03:53Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:03:55Laci Mosley?

  We don't have cute names for our prisons.

• 1:03:58Speaker 05

  Don't nobody do Guantanamo Bay, that shit sound terrible.

• 1:04:03Speaker 05

  That shit sound terrible.

• 1:04:04Laci Mosley?

  They try to put bay in it to make it sound cute, like you was gonna get ocean view.

• 1:04:09Speaker 05

  Right, nigga, we watched Train of Day, we know what Pelican Bay is, like, we ain't trying to get no bays in our names.

• 1:04:15Laci Mosley?

  Right, it don't sound good. Actually, I would rather be at, um, Shank murder correctional facility. At least then I'm not on the island, like, what's the other one that's?

• 1:04:26Speaker 05

  Alcatraz?

• 1:04:27Laci Mosley?

  Alcatraz, that don't sound good.

• 1:04:31Speaker 05

  That just sounds terrible, that's a scary fucking name.

• 1:04:34Laci Mosley?

  What prison people, I'm gonna Alcatraz, that don't, that sounds like a nightmare.

• 1:04:37Speaker 05

  Alcatraz had a nickname too, it was called The Rock, like.

• 1:04:42Speaker 05

  That shit sound bad, man.

• 1:04:43Laci Mosley?

  And that shit is in the middle of the ocean, and now they give tours of that vision, they're like, yeah, this is where they all got syphilis. And this is where, I'm like, nooo.

• 1:04:53Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so Sheppa, so he's sentenced to, it says only three and a half years, so whoever authored this, and I know Kaylin does excellent research, so there's a lot of different articles and stuff, but whoever maybe probably wrote only in front of three and a half years, no, three and a half is more than enough.

• 1:05:08Speaker 05

  That's more than enough, he ain't kill nobody.

• 1:05:10Laci Mosley?

  He ain't gonna, like, he rocks the rich people up some things, okay, they probably weren't paying all their taxes anyway.

• 1:05:15Speaker 05

  Yeah, shit, ain't nobody hurt, they, they fine.

• 1:05:18Laci Mosley?

  They fine, everyone's fine, okay? Several months into his sentence, he used a fake toothache and a doctor's visit to escape.

• 1:05:28Speaker 05

  My man.

• 1:05:30Laci Mosley?

  Of course you could, cause at Sheppa, they, you probably get like that good dental.

• 1:05:35Speaker 05

  Right, yo, he said, I got a toothache, they literally took him to a dentist.

• 1:05:40Laci Mosley?

  What? That's crazy. I feel like in America, you say you got a toothache, the security guard just go hit you in the mouth with a baton, knock it out.

• 1:05:48Speaker 05

  Which tooth? Alright, let me pull it out for you. They just gonna pull that motherfucker out.

• 1:05:51Laci Mosley?

  Alright, we don't get dental.

• 1:05:53Speaker 05

  No Novocain to nothing.

• 1:05:55Laci Mosley?

  Hell, you can't get dental when you free in America.

• 1:05:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, you can't. And, and the motherfuckers who can, if you don't know it, you ain't got it. People who's on Medicare, you can get free dental on Medicare if you ask for it. They ain't gonna offer that shit to you.

• 1:06:10Laci Mosley?

  If you ask for it, I hate it here.

• 1:06:12Speaker 05

  It's crazy.

• 1:06:13Laci Mosley?

  No, yeah, it's a part of your plan.

• 1:06:14Speaker 05

  It's a part of your plan, if you know.

• 1:06:16Laci Mosley?

  We're not gonna tell you, though. You gotta guess.

• 1:06:19Speaker 05

  You gotta guess. You gotta, you gotta find out. You gotta find out you got it.

• 1:06:24Laci Mosley?

  So the arresting detective responded, our first reaction was, we laughed when, when he escaped from the dentist's office. He was like, oh, my tooth, my brain. And then he got to the dentist's office and he left. The detective was like, we was cracking up. It was actually hilarious. I like that y'all have a good sense of humor. So Juan was arrested several weeks later after hitting the Marriott Hotel in Dublin. Wine.

• 1:06:48Speaker 05

  He should've just, my man should've went to Australia somewhere or Asia where they ain't got extradition laws and just chilled.

• 1:06:56Laci Mosley?

  I know he escaped with no money. So unless he had a bank account, he had to, he had to do one more hotel heist.

• 1:07:03Speaker 05

  He was on, he was on the Wet Bandits, Home Alone shit. He got out of jail and needed to rob the toy store.

• 1:07:08Laci Mosley?

  He just needed, and I'm sure he was gonna skip town after that, but you gotta know, when you are the hotel bandit, that people, they, the hotels know about you, girl.

• 1:07:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta change it up.

• 1:07:20Laci Mosley?

  They probably got your face up in the, in the back room where they, you know, do the linens and, and prep the room service. Like, everybody knows who you are. You can't go back to hotel thieving, not, especially not in the, you know, country you got caught.

• 1:07:33Speaker 05

  Damn, you gotta go, you gotta go rob some country clubs or some shit.

• 1:07:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you gotta switch it up.

• 1:07:39Speaker 05

  They got lockers at the country clubs, too.

• 1:07:40Laci Mosley?

  But you know what, though? He probably didn't have all his drip. Like, they, they raided his apartment. He, you know, he's in prison, so he doesn't really have his set of tools.

• 1:07:50Speaker 05

  Uh, so I bet you if we saw a picture of him right after jail, it was like he got hit with some kryptonite. He probably looked bad, too.

• 1:07:56Laci Mosley?

  Damn, cuz you, I don't know, though. Ship it. They might have haircuts. They might have. They might let him go to the dentist's office in his suit. He might be like, I feel more comfortable. In my suit at the dentist and it's like, sure, pay it on, whatever.

• 1:08:10Speaker 05

  Ah, that's why people are addicted to crying, man, like, they can't help themselves, right? You, you broke out of jail and you free. Like, they ain't find you for several months, which means you have been successfully invading the law.

• 1:08:24Laci Mosley?

  But he was invading the law, but I don't know how he made it over several weeks without, you know, any access to cash. But so with multiple charges in multiple countries, he was eventually extradited to France where charges were pending. And while charges were pending in the United States, so France was like, we want to turn. And then the US was like, then bring him to us so we can take him to the real jails.

• 1:08:45Speaker 05

  Right, so we can take that motherfucker to Rikers.

• 1:08:48Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so, so we can start making, making license plates. He gonna make license plates for us and hand sanitize us up since.

• 1:08:58Speaker 05

  He gonna be fighting wildfires in California.

• 1:09:03Laci Mosley?

  That's so fucked, and then, but when he get out of prison, he can't become a firefighter, what?

• 1:09:08Speaker 05

  Right, fucked up.

• 1:09:10Laci Mosley?

  It's so fucked up, literally prisons are just slave labor. They're like, let's get as many people in the jail as we can, black and brown preferred. And then work them to death, we'll pay him pennies, literal pennies.

• 1:09:24Speaker 05

  Twelve cents.

• 1:09:25Laci Mosley?

  So he took the opportunity to flee the United States where he's got charges pending in the US. He took that opportunity to flee to the United States where he would be arrested in Vermont after getting caught at the Canadian border. After serving thirty months and being released, he was arrested again in Hong Kong. Damn, bro, like, I know you tired of handcuffs.

• 1:09:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, and he don't look as good.

• 1:09:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he's starting to look a little worn down, the arrests are getting to him. Like an addict, his lies grew more ambitious and his execution more careless as he chased his obsession with wealth and luxury. Eventually, in March twenty nineteen, he was sentenced to fifteen months after stealing two hundred seventeen thousand euros, roughly about two hundred forty-five thousand US dollars worth of cash and jewelry from the hotel Disneyland in the city of Chessy, France. As of today, Juan Guzman Betancur's whereabouts are unknown and he remains one of the world's most talented and untrustworthy criminals. So I would imagine that he's still out here doing this.

• 1:10:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, he's still out here, he's still out here doing the damn thing. And, and the crazy part too is, it's wild because I, it's, I mean, you said you talked about this, so you know Frank Abigail. Because he's a white man who was a criminal. This man eventually got a job in the FBI, helping them. Like, helping them catch people who was doing what he was doing, right? If the government was smart, they'd be like, "Bruh, I'm tired of catching you, you tired of being caught, man."

• 1:10:52Laci Mosley?

  Right. Like, this is at this point-

• 1:10:54Speaker 05

  Like, let's help each other out here, brother. Like, why don't you come work for us? We gonna pay you six figures a year. Eh, you can work your way up to seven figures, but like, come on, bruh. Like, I'm tired.

• 1:11:05Laci Mosley?

  It's such a waste of government resources.

• 1:11:07Speaker 05

  Yes, it's so fucking waste.

• 1:11:09Laci Mosley?

  To keep catching this man.

• 1:11:10Speaker 05

  Like, either put him away for good, or let this man live.

• 1:11:13Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:11:15Speaker 05

  Let the man live. Because as soon as he get out, he gonna do the same shit.

• 1:11:18Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 1:11:19Speaker 05

  Let him live.

• 1:11:20Laci Mosley?

  I know the way the laws are set up, it's like, I can't really charge him for much. You know, like, fifteen months is like a little bit over a year, thirty months, like, he's doing like, two-ish years. Uh, but, I don't know, I just, I think, let him go.

• 1:11:35Speaker 05

  Let him go. Let him go.

• 1:11:38Laci Mosley?

  He's free now, and I don't know how he's doing, I hope he's doing well.

• 1:11:42Speaker 05

  I hope he doing good. I like Yermo, or Juan, I like Juan.

• 1:11:47Laci Mosley?

  Juan, wherever you are out there, uh, stay Schemin. Still very proud of you, uh, love your work, huge fan. Guys, that brings us to the end of an episode, ooh, a long one. Um, as always, if you want to snitch on your friends and family, scan [email protected]. Jaki, we love to ask here, where would you like to be found? And anything you'd like to promote?

• 1:12:10Speaker 05

  Oh, what a beautiful thing. Uh, first of all, I'm so happy and proud for you, of you, Lacey, you're killing it. Um, like you said before, we've known each other for, what, about five, six, seven years now? So, like, it's so dope to see people you come up with killing the game. Congrats on the Best Crime Scam Award.

• 1:12:37Speaker 05

  You doing the Viola, nominating yourself in the Supporting Actress category. Uh, but you know, but I, I respect it. No, but you're doing big things and I love it. I love it for you. So very happy for you. Glad to be back. Jacquis's Neil on everything. At Jacquis's Neil. Follow me, y'all. I want to scam my way into some more followers. So if you're listening to this and you don't follow me, get on Instagram, get on Twitter, follow a brother. Uh, I'm gonna be in the upcoming season of Physical, season two on Apple TV. There's no release date yet, but it's coming out. Uh, so keep an eye out for that. I'm in a couple of video games, a couple of animated shows. Everything like that's coming, that's coming down the pipe. I'll talk about it when it's time. Uh, so yeah, follow me on social.

• 1:13:20Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and that's J A C Q U I S N E A L, okay?

• 1:13:26Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 1:13:27Laci Mosley?

  I was trying to text Jacquis the other day and I was spelling it correctly, looking for him on my phone. And then realized it's spelled incorrectly on my phone. And I was like, I know it. We were just texting. I know I have his number.

• 1:13:37Speaker 05

  Was it, was it, were you missing the C or was the I a E?

• 1:13:40Laci Mosley?

  I was missing the C. It went to J A Q. Yeah.

• 1:13:44Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:13:45Laci Mosley?

  Um, and guys, as always, Scam Goddess Pod on all platforms, if you want to see the pictures from today's episode or my nonsense, and D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy on all platforms, if you want to see my mess of Laci Mosley on TikTok. Uh, guys, congregation, stay Schemin. Scam Goddess.

• 1:14:07Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Laci Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Kargbo, engineered by Marina Baiz, and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.

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