#141 Father Dan Reehil - Inside the Demonic World with an Exorcist

Father Dan Reehil is a Catholic priest who transitioned from a successful Wall Street career to the priesthood after a life-changing pilgrimage to Medjugorje in 1998. This spiritual conversion led him to leave New York after 9/11 and begin priestly formation in Boston. He was ordained in 2014 and now serves as the exorcist for the Diocese of Nashville and pastor of St. Catherine of Siena Parish in Columbia, Tennessee. In addition to his pastoral duties, Father Reehil is the National Director of Radio Maria USA, where he hosts the program "Battle Ready," focusing on spiritual topics. He is also a sought-after speaker on issues of faith, exorcism, and spiritual warfare, drawing from his unique experiences. Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: https://babbel.com/srs https://shopify.com/srs https://helixsleep.com/srs https://bunkr.life - USE CODE "SRS" https://blackbuffalo.com Father Dan Reehil Links: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/fatherdanreehil Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/p/Father-Dan-Reehil X - https://x.com/fatherdanreehil Tik Tok - https://www.tiktok.com/@fatherdanreehil St. Catherine of Siena Church - https://stcatherinecc.org/people/very-rev-daniel-reehil-vf Battle Ready Podcast - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/battle-ready-with-father-dan-reehil/id1617097042 Radio Maria - https://radiomaria.us Please leave us a review on Apple & Spotify Podcasts. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website | Patreon | TikTok | Instagram | Download Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:06Shawn Ryan?

  Father Dan Reehil, welcome to the show. Thank you, Sean. Good to be here. It's a pleasure to have you. Thank you. It's been, as I said in the EDC, we've been really looking forward to this for a long time. And, um, and, uh, so I'm really excited to get started here. Thank you. Me too. But, um, so what I'd like to do, I got you for about three hours, and, uh, I'd like to do life story, get into the exorcism stuff. And then, uh, I have, I have, uh, some personal questions. I grew up Catholic, kind of ventured away from not only the Catholic Church, but, but, um, Christianity as a whole for quite a while. And then recently, I guess a little over a year ago,

• 1:50Shawn Ryan?

  uh, I had a, I had a very profound experience in, um, in Sedona, Arizona of all places, and where I felt like the, the devil was...

• 2:09Shawn Ryan?

  Trying to get me to surrender. I'll just put it in short. And then I had three incidences right off the bat, right after that, um, where I felt like, I shouldn't say I felt, I know God was speaking to me. Okay. And, um, I don't want to go too in depth because we are restricted on time, but I would, I would love to send that episode to you and possibly have a conversation. Sure. Later. But, but, um, anyways, everybody gets a introduction here. So Father Dan Reehil, you're currently a Catholic priest for a church based out of Columbia, Tennessee, right down

• 2:51Shawn Ryan?

  the road from here, as well as the exorcist of the diocese of Nashville. After graduating college, you worked in global trade and finance in Manhattan before entering the spiritual brotherhood, and then finally on to the priesthood. You're the host of the podcast Battle Ready, where you answer questions from callers about the spiritual realm and the Catholic Cateches? Cateches. Sorry. That's all right. You have been on several podcasts and other news programs to discuss the dangers of demons in the modern world today. And, um, so I am, I am, uh, very, very excited to dive into that. One thing we have here is, uh, is Sean Ryan Show. We have a Patreon.

• 3:34Shawn Ryan?

  It's a subscription account. They've, uh, they're our top supporters. A lot of them have been with us since the very, very beginning. And, um, so one thing I like to do, um, is offer them an opportunity to ask each guest a question. And there are, there are some good ones here. I'm, uh, I'm going to save some of them for later on in the interview. Okay. But, um, this is from Al. I love the quote you once said, protect your mornings. It's a very profound quote, and I carry that with me every day. How does one protect your morning?

• 4:08Speaker 03

  Well, for me, the day gets away from me pretty quickly as it goes on. The sun goes up and anything can happen, you know? Somebody could be dying. It happens quite often. We have a hospital in Colombia. So all the surrounding areas, maybe 30 miles out, especially going south, their people go there. And at least once or twice a week, somebody's dying and needs me to go right away to give them the last rites. I don't do exorcism on demand, but I will meet with somebody if they're suffering, at least try to relieve some of the suffering before I get them on a spiritual regimen. And that could just hap- they show up at the church randomly. You never know when they're gonna show up.

• 4:51Speaker 03

  And then there's spiritual direction appointments, day in and day out, and all sorts of other things. So my morning, when I say protected, I go over to the church at 5:30, get up at 4:20, get over there by 5:30. And then I have exposition of the Blessed Sacrament until 8 o'clock. The last half hour, I have confessions. We do benediction, then we have Mass. And then I go on radio at 9, and that's till 9:30. And, you know, so the morning is set. And usually, nobody disrupts that prayer time in the morning. So I know what's gonna happen, and I need it. I need it because it's not me that goes out into the day to help these people. It's God, and He works through me. But it's His grace, it's His power.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  And if I don't get filled up on Him, I'm kinda worthless for the rest of the day. And then I'm just really a social worker.

• 5:46Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you for answering that. I have, I have some, some personal questions. One of them is, there's no, there's not gonna be a good time to ask this during the interview, I don't think so.

• 5:58Speaker 03

  Shoot.

• 5:59Shawn Ryan?

  I have- So I told you I had left the church and I'm new back into Christianity about a year.

• 6:08Speaker 03

  Same, a little more than a year.

• 6:12Shawn Ryan?

  Through the Bible and, you know, the one thing that, and so we started a Bible study at my house. And it's four families, we're very, very, very close to each other. And one of the guy that leads it is a former pastor.

• 6:35Shawn Ryan?

  Who I think kinda got ran out because he said, he said that pastors shouldn't be focused on money. They should be focused on spreading the word and a lot of people around here didn't like that, I guess. So, so now he leads our thing. And the one thing that, I think the thing that resonates me, with me the most. Out of what I've learned so far, maybe not the most, but it always sticks out in my head and I talk about it all the time. Is that the, from what he says. The church is not a brick and mortar building.

• 7:17Shawn Ryan?

  It is, it is the living body of believers in Jesus Christ. And so, that is something I never heard growing up as a Catholic. And so I just wanted to, I wanted to see what you think about that.

• 7:34Speaker 03

  That is very true. If you think about the church, when Jesus chose these 12 men to go out and make disciples of all nations. When he ascended to heaven and they took up this mission and it was a big mission, imagine. And they're not particularly qualified either, mostly fishermen.

• 7:53Speaker 03

  They go forth, but now they have the Holy Spirit because the Pentecost has happened. And they, they're set ablaze with the Spirit, the same Spirit that led Jesus' whole 33 years is now in those men. And it's now in us if we're baptized, particularly if you got confirmed too. You get sealed with that Spirit, same Spirit, and they go forth. But there's also a persecution happening because the leaders of Jerusalem, and you could even say in Rome and all over the world, they don't want this new religion. So if they catch you, you die. So the first, I think, thirty-two, thirty-three popes were all martyred. So if they said to you, "We just elected you pope," it was a way of saying, "You're about to die," because they're killing everybody, and now you're a public figure

• 8:38Speaker 03

  that says you're leading this new church. And as such, there were no brick-and-mortar churches, because how could you build a church? It'd be a big red flag. Here's where we worship. Come and kill us. So for maybe three, four hundred years, there was no brick-and-mortar church. They were in people's homes. But they were celebrating the Mass the way that Jesus did at the Last Supper. So they were taking the bread and the wine, praying the prayers of consecration, and turning it into His body and blood, and that was what was sustaining them. And that was giving them even the graces to die for Jesus and His cause, this church, that people would... The blood of the martyrs is the, kind of the seed that spurns on the church to go forward. So, yeah, that's absolutely correct. Once

• 9:22Speaker 03

  you have Constantine come on the scene and basically took up Christianity as the religion of the kingdom, and he put the cross on all the flag-bearing, the flags, and when he would go into battle, then they knew they could build churches, because the king would protect them, the Roman emperor would protect them. And that's when the churches got built, and they've continued to build them ever since. But you go into countries like in the Middle East that are Muslim, there's still a lot of underground churches, where there's no... It's just in people's homes, because they know if we're discovered, it could be a big problem.

• 9:59Shawn Ryan?

  Is there... Another thing is, you talked about my Megyn Kelly podcast and some of the things that we discussed in there, and...

• 10:13Speaker 03

  Middleman.

• 10:14Shawn Ryan?

  That's where I'm going.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Good. I'm a middleman.

• 10:19Speaker 03

  Did you know that? I did. I did. And no priest, no Eucharist. Mm-hmm. No priest, no confession. Mm-hmm. It would be terrible, it would be terrible. But if you want to go back to Scriptureally, Moses was a huge middleman. I mean, he was constantly interceding for those people, you know? And it was only by Moses' prayers that God would always relent and, you know, take them back into His custody, His shelter, or His protection. But does God need a middleman? Of course not. He can do anything. But what we've come to know and learn, particularly through His Son, is that He's a family guy. Mm-hmm. You know, the very Trinity is its own family. And He was perfect before He created anything, and He was completely content, didn't need to do anything.

• 11:04Speaker 03

  But because He has this overwhelming, magnificent, overflowing love, He wanted to create children. And He wanted to build a stage for them, that's the universe. And He put everything under the domain of man. Everything was all under Adam and Eve. But Adam and Eve were made for God. That was His special creation. This is the reason Lucifer rebelled. Because he heard of this plan, and he was so disgusted that a person of the Trinity would take on human flesh, which was considered much lower than the angels, humans, because pure spirit is a lot higher perfection in form than the material creation of a body. That's why they rebelled, yet Jesus went forth with this plan anyway, and He does take on human flesh.

• 11:48Speaker 03

  And when He ascended to the throne of God in heaven, now there's a person with a human body sitting on the throne of God. And that's how much He loves us as people. Did you ever think about that? Like, it's us, there's one of us sitting on the throne now. Like, He left His pure spirit. The Word became flesh and dwelt among us. He ascended back with a body, which will forever be His body. That's how much He loves us. And so when I hear people, I don't know why Jesus is so hated. I don't know why He's so misunderstood. I've prayed about this and pondered this for months and months and months, because He never did anything wrong. Like, why is there so much hatred of this man? And I think it boils down to two categories.

• 12:31Speaker 03

  I think there's ignorance or apathy. And, you know, and I've asked people at conferences that I go and do missions and I would say, "Do you know what the difference between ignorance and apathy?" And, you know, frequently there's always somebody who goes, "I don't know and I don't care." And I'm like, "Exactly, that's the difference. Ignorance is I don't know, and apathy is I don't care." And I think those two categories are growing more and more as the world is barreling towards this precipice of hell. More and more people say, "I'm a nun. I don't participate in religion, N-O-N-E, not the sisters." And they think that that protects them, like, "I'm good, I'm not getting involved with this,

• 13:14Speaker 03

  but Jesus told us if you're not with me, you're against me." So...

• 13:21Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that maybe Jesus is so hated because

• 13:30Shawn Ryan?

  elites are threatened by a higher power?

• 13:35Speaker 03

  Definitely, it's one of the reasons. I mean, I think if you look at the global religions, of course, and I'm not saying Muslims hate Jesus, but what they do is they deny who he is. They say he's a great prophet. Well, he said he was the son of God, so he's either a liar or he's God. He can't be a great prophet, because a great prophet doesn't lie. But they haven't really thought it through. The Jews are still waiting for the return of the Messiah, so they're also in a different kind of camp, like, "Well, that's not our guy." But what if you missed the boat? I mean, the temple's gone, it's over. What are you waiting for? Like, if you really thought about it, you'd have to say, "Maybe we did miss this." You know?

• 14:14Shawn Ryan?

  When you talk about, when you were just talking, we were just talking about Adam and Eve and Lucifer, and so before Adam and Eve, where did...

• 14:25Shawn Ryan?

  Where did all the, where did the angels come from?

• 14:30Speaker 03

  So, we believe as Catholics that before the created matter of the universe, the stuff that we can touch, he created all the angels in one single moment. And Aquinas writes a lot about this. And, but he had to give them away to test their allegiance. And so this plan of God with man was kind of in some way leaked or shown. And that's when they said, "We will not serve this cause." A third of them, we think. We don't know. It's not a science. And there's no scriptural definition of how many. But we know Lucifer fell for sure. That's written in the Bible. And he took, Revelation says he took a third of the stars with him. And these luminaries, we would, we assumed to be the angels.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  Incredibly intelligent, incredibly powerful beings, but they don't have bodies. Pure spirit, just like God. Then he creates all of us. And we're kind of a hybrid because we're not pure matter, but we're not pure spirit. We are both matter and spirit. So we're unique in that way, in the way nothing else in creation is like us. And as I mentioned, he kind of, if you think about all God did for us, you know, he made us out of his love for us. So in that, just for that reason alone, we kind of owe him something. I mean, he made me. If you, if you go and you create a vase, you make this vase and put it on a shelf, like if the vase had a personality, we'd have to say, "Thank you for making me." But, you know, it's a vase. It doesn't know what to do. It has no mind.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  But we know that we were made by something. So just for that purpose alone, we owe him a debt. And then because of the sin of man, and we all sin, Jesus came to redeem us and died a horrible death. And for 33 years, kind of showed us how, how to be a good person, how to be a good human being. Even though he's divine, he's fully human as well. And then he offers his life on the cross to the Father for all the sins we committed. And he buys us back from the devil. We were literally owned by the devil. So there's another reason we owe him, right?

• 16:37Speaker 03

  People don't like the word "oh." But justice is real, you know? And you can't have a world without justice. Justice is giving the other person what they're due. It's not a negative. If you say, "I'm gonna sell my car for $5,000. Here's the $5,000." You know, you get the car, justice has been served. Similarly, if I rob a bank and get caught, and the penalty is 10 years in prison, I go do the 10 years in prison, justice is served. When it comes to God, giving God what He's due, we can't do, because we are incapable of giving back what He gave to us, because it's so great. It's, we're not capable, we're just not... We're creatures that can't do the level of love that He's given to us. And so, religion by definition

• 17:20Speaker 03

  is the justice we give back to God. That's what we call religion. It's part of the justice virtue. Okay. And it's just giving back what He wants. And He was very clear how He wanted to be worshipped in the Old Testament. And then, when Jesus created the new covenant at the Last Supper, He was very clear that this is how I want you to worship. Do this in memory of Me. And we've been doing it ever since. Now, as I mentioned before you came up to do the interview to one of your staff, you know, when it got established in the Old Testament, He was very systematically clear about how He wanted to be worshipped. There would be an altar, a priest,

• 18:03Speaker 03

  and a sacrifice, and blood. And then, they would take the blood and sprinkle it on the altar. They would take the blood and sprinkle it on the people. And this was the way He said we're gonna do worship. Very messy. I mean, imagine that when you go to mass, they sprinkle the holy water on the Easter vigil. Imagine if I'm sprinkling blood on people. You know, it's incredible. Like, you'd never would forget that. Every, you'd be like, "Wow, that was intense." And

• 18:28Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of blood?

• 18:29Speaker 03

  The animals' blood. Bulls, goats, lambs, oxen, a lot of blood, tons. They would collect it in these bowls and half would go on the altar and half would get sprinkled over the people.

• 18:42Shawn Ryan?

  Why blood, why, why blood from an animal?

• 18:45Speaker 03

  Because the Jews always believed the life was in the blood.

• 18:48Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 18:49Speaker 03

  And they were offering this life as atonement. They had no way to have sins forgiven, but they, they would at least follow the, uh, the regimen the Lord gave them to do the worship. And that was their way of obeying. Why do we have to obey? Why did God allow evil? There had to be something in the garden that was forbidding from Adam and Eve in order that they could show that out of love for God, they would obey Him. That's the only way you can show you love somebody is by actually doing what they ask you to do. If there was no rule at all,

• 19:22Speaker 03

  how do you know? How do you know if you're really gonna step up and love Him? It's the same with like your kids. If you say to them, please don't do this, this, and this, primarily because it would be bad for you and it could hurt you, but also respect your mom and dad, don't do that. And then they don't do it because they love you and, and that's how you know they're, they're actually uh, giving you the respect that you deserve. So that's why God put that tree in the center of the garden and said, do not touch or eat of that fruit. They could have everything else and there was no work back then. Everything grew on its own. Everything was perfect. They walked with God every afternoon in the breezy time of the day. But the deception of the devil was, first of all, he starts talking to Eve and he goes, did God really say you cannot eat of any fruit in the garden? So he twists what God said.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  And she goes, no, He didn't say any, He said just the, that fruit. And then the serpent goes, oh no, surely you will not die. Your eyes will be open, you will be like God. So now Eve, for the first time, and she's completely happy up to this point. She has no wants in her life. She thinks now suddenly God's holding out on her, that there's something that's gonna make her more happy if she gets it. And he tricks her. And she gets her, he, the serpent gets her to eat it and she gives something to Adam, he eats it. And then their eyes are open, they realize they've committed the worst possible sin they could have do. And it drags all of us down.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  But God doesn't despair there. He has a plan. It's a rescue mission. You'd be familiar with rescue missions. This was the greatest rescue mission of all time, when Jesus is going to come into the world and he's going to take down the devil on a different kind of tree, on a cross. So where the first sin entered the world from a tree, now redemption comes to a tree. Where Eve fell, the Blessed Mother brings forth a new plan by saying yes to God and allowing the second person to be incarnate in her womb. And so you can see the parallels of like, these first parents and now this new, the new Adam and the new Eve is Mary and Jesus.

• 21:23Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 21:27Speaker 00

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• 22:27Shawn Ryan?

  Just a little bit ago, you had mentioned, we were talking about the middleman, and you had mentioned, without the priests, there is no Eucharist and there is no confession.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 22:41Shawn Ryan?

  So, from what I've learned, we've already been forgiven.

• 22:46Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:47Shawn Ryan?

  And that was, that was part of Jesus on the cross. We've all been forgiven. And so, is it, can I not ask for forgiveness in my own home?

• 23:01Speaker 03

  You can.

• 23:03Shawn Ryan?

  What is the difference?

• 23:05Speaker 03

  Well, you actually know you've been forgiven. That's the difference. And we are set free through baptism from being under the domain of Satan. He, he's like a lawyer. He's a legalist, and he knows where his boundaries extend and where they stop. The minute we're baptized, this is what I tell parents all the time. Please don't wait for Aunt Sally to fly in in three months for the baptism. Just baptize the kid right away. Because that restores that person back to God and out from under Satan's foot. Literally, stepping on the person's neck. And they have them by chains. And legally, they own the person until that kid's baptized, or they're adult.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  Once you're baptized, we're completely set free, as you mentioned, until we sin again. And then if we commit another mortal sin, we go right back under the domain of Satan. And we're trapped until we get forgiven, which we know if you go to a priest, and the priest absolves you, that has taken place, and you're now set free again. And any demons that are attached to you are broken off you, and you can feel the heaviness lift. The church also states that you can have perfect contrition for your sins, which would also bring forth an absolution of your sin. But to have perfect contrition means you have no attachment to sin anymore. Very difficult to do, very difficult to measure. And so, I'm always like, it's not that hard.

• 24:31Speaker 03

  Just go to confession. In my church, it's always anonymous. I'm in one room, you're in another. There's a screen between us. I can't see you, I can hear you, but I don't know who you are. So it really is more like God's doing it through His priest. The other reason that the church says we need to do this is because when we sin, it's not just against God, it's against humanity, as witnessed by Adam and Eve, who dragged us all into this with them. So through the priest, we're actually getting absolved by God, but also there's coming an absolution of sorts, you could say, or a forgiveness that's also coming from humanity in the person of the priest.

• 25:08Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 25:09Speaker 03

  You know, in the first centuries, after the churches started being built, confessions were public.

• 25:17Shawn Ryan?

  They were public.

• 25:18Speaker 03

  You had to go stand on the steps of the church and confess your sins to the priest in front of the whole community, and then he absolved you. I mean, a lot harder, clearly.

• 25:27Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 25:28Speaker 03

  Just think about that. There's people that would say, "I'm just not going to confession."

• 25:31Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:31Speaker 03

  Because I don't want the people knowing I did this.

• 25:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 25:35Speaker 03

  But so it's not, it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be. It's a simple thing. It's for your own benefit. And I, as the beneficiary of this sacrament as well, I was away 22 years. And when I went to that confession and he absolved me of 22 years of really deep-seated horrible salty sins, I felt like a new person. Like, I can't even describe how much you're just like, wow. Like, that's a real thing. It's not just a formula with matter and form. Like, I am new. And a lot of people you see out there, including in the media, when you have mortal sin on your soul, it's literally a blockage to God's grace.

• 26:18Speaker 03

  And you can't really see truth for what it is. And this is, I believe, why there's such an attack on truth right now, is because I think a lot of these people believe what they're saying, but it's so twisted and distorted that a lot of us just looking to go, "How can you think you can assign your own gender?"

• 26:32Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:32Speaker 03

  Like, it's, it doesn't even make sense.

• 26:34Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:35Speaker 03

  But they really, when you listen to them, I think they really believe it. And that's like when Paul's speaking to the Galatians, this is what my opinion is. And he says, "Oh, stupid Galatians, who has bewitched you? What has happened to you?" Like, I feel like we could say that about America right now. "Oh, stupid Americans, who's bewitched you? What's going on here?"

• 26:53Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  Like, wake up.

• 26:54Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. I'm with you on that. I am 100% with you. When it, when we're talking about Adam and Eve and the, the forbidden fruit, what?

• 27:10Shawn Ryan?

  Let me give you some more context.

• 27:14Shawn Ryan?

  I have found a tremendous amount of healing from psychedelics. And very controversial subject within Christianity, Catholicism, probably anybody who has some type of a religious background.

• 27:36Shawn Ryan?

  And I have really good friends of mine that advise against it. I have really good friends of mine that are 100% in on it. I've had nothing bad come to me from it.

• 27:50Speaker 03

  Praise God.

• 27:51Shawn Ryan?

  I've quit drinking 100% clean from alcohol for over two and a half years now. Going on three and a whole slew of other things. But I'm interested. I've heard that the forbidden fruit may have been psychedelics. Is there any validity to that?

• 28:15Speaker 03

  Never heard that, and there's no mention anywhere of what the fruit was.

• 28:19Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 28:20Speaker 03

  That's somebody's conjecture and idea.

• 28:23Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. What is your... Do you feel that... A lot of people also say that psychedelics will open you up to a spiritual realm where demons can... It kind of like opens you up where demons can get in if you're not careful. I'm just curious. Do you have any thoughts on that? Or is that a...

• 28:44Speaker 03

  Well, I know drugs in general are a big open door for spirits. Bad spirits. One of my worst cases of possession was a Catholic guy, young guy, maybe 25-ish. Up in Nashville, he's out drinking, the bars are closing, and he says to his buddies, "Let's go get some drugs." And a guy goes, "Oh, I know a place." So they go to this house in a neighborhood at like 2:00 in the morning. Think about this. You're knocking on somebody's door at 2:00 in the morning. Like, you gotta be thinking, "This is a little crazy. Who does that?" And they open the door, they come in, and it's lit by candle, and there's upside-down crucifixes and pentagrams around on the walls. And I said to this young man, you know, when I'm interviewing, I go like, "What happened to your spidey senses? Like, nothing went off when you saw this stuff?"

• 29:29Speaker 03

  He's like, "I just wanted the drugs." So he gets some, I think it was crack.

• 29:35Speaker 03

  As soon as he smoked it, he felt the demon enter him. And that was the beginning of about a six-month ordeal to get it out. And he knows it happened from the drug. Because the drug probably had a curse on it.

• 29:47Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 29:48Speaker 03

  To attach demons to it. So if you're buying, well, I use it, I would have said years ago, if you're buying stuff off the street, you don't know what you're getting, truly, both in the natural and supernatural. But I would add today, some of these pharmaceutical stuff, same thing.

• 30:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:04Speaker 03

  You don't know what you're getting.

• 30:06Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, I don't, I don't know, though. Is it, is it, I mean, is it, is it, is it really considered a drug? I mean, because America's put that stipulation on it? Or is it a medicine that is, that comes from nature? And so if it is, if it is a medicine that comes from nature, that people are finding healing from?

• 30:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 30:28Shawn Ryan?

  I don't understand, that is from God, correct? I mean, there's no, there's no additives, there's no chemicals, there's no, none of that, that's, that's being injected in it. It is, it is simply, was it, I believe, was it the, was it the Reagan administration? I, I think it was the Reagan administration, maybe, that, that kind of, even Nixon. I'm, I'm off on this, but a president, basically, there was, because of the hippie movement and the abuse.

• 30:59Speaker 03

  It was Reagan.

• 31:00Shawn Ryan?

  They, they, I mean, they, they scheduled it as a, as a, some type of a drug or narcotic. But, I mean, coming out with all the research, going too heavy into this, it's helping a lot of people. And so I'm, I'm, I'm curious what, what your thoughts are on that.

• 31:21Speaker 03

  I, it's, it's kind of out of my realm.

• 31:24Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 31:25Speaker 03

  I'm not an expert on, on drug use. We do have a priest in the diocese who wrote his dissertation on marijuana. So he, he might be a better one to talk about that. But, you know, I think in general, the fear is that if, if, particularly the youth, who, they don't have a lot of restrictions in their thinking yet. The danger is, are they just going to go in too quick and too hard and damage themselves? You know, if you're a 40-year-old man who is...

• 31:53Speaker 03

  Using this under a self-imposed set of guidelines and you're monitoring what you're doing and you're careful, completely different than a kid just taking a bunch of pills and hoping something good happens.

• 32:07Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm, makes sense, makes sense. All right, well, let's get into your story now, now that I got at least a couple of my random questions answered, but before we do, everybody gets the gift.

• 32:21Speaker 03

  I got the gift, thank you.

• 32:23Shawn Ryan?

  That was the other gift.

• 32:24Speaker 03

  The other gift. What do we have here?

• 32:27Shawn Ryan?

  Those are Vigilance League gummy bears made in the US. There's nothing weird in them, it's just candy.

• 32:34Speaker 03

  Candy?

• 32:35Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  Okay, thank you.

• 32:37Shawn Ryan?

  You're welcome. And then, you know, downstairs you had asked, we were talking about rosaries and I told you I still have mine. So I have a really good friend, his name's Dom Razzo, and he is a, he's a former SEAL, SEAL Team Six guy, and has been a, a good friend to me and a spiritual mentor of mine and a very devout Catholic, and so I, I bring this with me everywhere I go.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  Good.

• 33:11Shawn Ryan?

  To protect me and.

• 33:13Speaker 03

  Good, good, good.

• 33:14Shawn Ryan?

  And every time, and then I give them away and then I have to call Dom and tell him to send me another one, but this is a warrior's rosary.

• 33:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 33:22Shawn Ryan?

  And I would love for you to.

• 33:23Speaker 03

  Thank you, thank you, buddy. Now, I gave you a rosary today.

• 33:27Shawn Ryan?

  You did.

• 33:28Speaker 03

  So you, you have one back. Like mine, the one I gave you is from this place called Majegori in Bosnia, Herzegovina, and that rosary was in the room during the apparition of Our Lady to one of the visionaries. At the end of the apparition, she blessed all of the sacramentals in the room. So the rosary that I gave for you and your wife have both been blessed, not just by me with the priest's blessing, but by the mother of God herself blessed those rosaries. Don't give those away.

• 33:58Shawn Ryan?

  I won't, thank you very much. I'll carry that with me everywhere.

• 34:02Speaker 03

  Good.

• 34:03Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you. All right, Father, so let's get to, let's get to your life story. Where did you grow up?

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Long Island, New York, Williston Park. It's about 18 miles east of Manhattan.

• 34:21Speaker 03

  Brothers, sisters? I'm the oldest of four. And two years after me is my sister, and then two years after her is my middle brother, Jimmy, and then my little brother, Brian. It was almost 10 years after me. Were you, did you grow up in a devout Catholic family? Yes. There was, there really was no devout Catholic in 1965 because Vatican II did such a number on removing the awe and the splendor of God from the mass, sort of. And I don't know they did it on purpose, but it definitely was a byproduct where it's

• 35:00Speaker 03

  a lot of felt and a lot of Jesus loves me, and really no firm catechesis in what actually is our role as Catholics, as Christians baptized, and what does God want from us, and what does He expect from us? And, you know, it was just love God and do whatever you want was kind of the message. So, but my parents were good Catholics. We went to mass every Sunday. They prayed the rosary. They, they were, I remember the first time I recognized my dad kneeling at Mass. Like, it's a powerful image to see your father kneeling when he was a New York City Fire Chief, a big, tough guy. So, you know, to see him kneel made an impression on me.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  Has the church come back around? In many ways, yes. Okay. Pope Benedict opened the door to allow the sacrifice of the Mass that took place up to Vatican II, which is the extraordinary form they call it now, which is in Latin, where the priest says this back to the people, but it brings forth a greater reverence in the Mass for a number of reasons, but we don't need to go into that. But also, a lot of the priests who were leaning towards the more liberal side of the spectrum and who were lobbying for women priests, who were lobbying for married priests, who

• 36:25Speaker 03

  were lobbying for all these things, gay, you know, gay marriage, they pretty much run their cycle and they're about over. And the new priests, the young guys, are going back to the traditional principles of the faith. And it's the orthodoxy that never left, but it was really put under the carpet and hidden away for about 40, 50 years. Interesting, interesting.

• 36:49Shawn Ryan?

  So was that, was that, was that taught? And now it's expiring? Or is it just how things?

• 36:58Speaker 03

  The liberal principles?

• 36:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yes.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  Well, the Church is definitive on its teaching, and it always has been. There can only be men priests because they follow what Jesus did. He chose 12 men. There were priestesses in other pagan religions at that time, so it wasn't off the table. He could have done that. His mother is the holiest person that was ever created, who's not divine. She would have been the best priest if you were going to allow anybody, because she's perfect. I mean, she had no sin in her. But he chose no. These will be these 12. So that's never going to change. Can priests be married? They sure can. We know Peter had a wife. He had a mother-in-law, so he had to have a wife. And we've had married priests for, you know, probably four or five centuries in the Church.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  But after a while, it became an issue for raising families. How do you raise a family if you're just going to keep picking up people and moving them? And they don't own the land. The Church owns the land. And how do we distribute the property? And it became a big headache. And for many other reasons, the Church just said, "We want the priest to be focused on his flock specifically, and that's why we're going to impose on him this promise of celibacy."

• 38:15Shawn Ryan?

  Is there any, is there any friction within the Church on that? Especially in the priesthood?

• 38:24Speaker 03

  I don't see it. I mean, so in the Church, there's the God-imposed rules or laws, and then there's man-imposed, okay? The man-imposed ones can be changed, and that's not a problem. The ones that God set forth are untouchable. We can't change those things. It was through the Popes where they decided to embrace celibacy rather than marriage. So that can be changed back with no problem. Pope has the authority to do that. And in fact, when we have other priests coming in from other religions, you know, there's a guy named Dwight Longnecker, Father Longnecker, was, I think, Episcopalian, and he had a family, but he realized, I want to be part of the Catholic faith.

• 39:08Speaker 03

  I think this is where the truth resides the most. When we took him into the church, the Vatican, the Holy See, declared that he would be ordained a priest, even though he already has a wife and kids. And he'd have to make special provisions to provide for them, but that's fine, because Peter, you know, we have examples throughout history where it happened. So that can be changed. But you can't change the things that God set forth that cannot be changed.

• 39:34Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. Makes sense.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  Like the fasting before Mass. It used to be Vatican II, from midnight till you went to Mass, no food, just water. And then the Church said, eh, you know, there's people passing out in Masses. A lot, maybe we should make a one-hour fast before. And now that's what it is.

• 39:50Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 39:51Speaker 03

  Because that was a man-made thing.

• 39:53Shawn Ryan?

  Gotcha, gotcha. Back to childhood.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 39:57Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of stuff were you into as a kid?

• 40:01Speaker 03

  I was, of course, I was the firstborn and didn't know anything. I was pretty naive about everything. Rode my bike, played kickball, baseball. I swam on the swim team, you know, played football when I, I had Pee Wee football then in high school. Mostly just sports and we went outside all day when it was summer. You just left for the whole day, you came back for dinner. And you prayed with all the kids on your block. It was just different. It was completely different than it is now.

• 40:29Shawn Ryan?

  Were you interested in Catholicism as a child? Or was it more of a chore?

• 40:34Speaker 03

  Uh, it was never a chore. I went to church with my family. And, you know, we could actually walk to church. We were that close to the church, a few blocks. But as fate would have it, I was molested by a priest when I was 11. And that changed my trajectory for a long time. I just said, I'm never going back to that place, to a church. And I kind of stuck to it. And I kept it hidden until I was in college. And then I told my parents what had happened. And then it started to make sense because I changed dramatically, as you can imagine, your personality would. When it's soul crushing to be sexually abused by anybody, but when it's a representative of God's church, it just spins way out of control.

• 41:18Speaker 03

  The devil comes right in and starts telling you, God hates you, he never cared about you, your parents hate you. It was every possible lie and you don't know what to believe. So I kind of spun out of control. I'm pretty headstrong and have a strong will. And I just decided this is, no one's going to hurt me like that again. Joined the football team, lifted a ton of weights for a long time to become as big as I could. And then thinking that would be, you know, I'll be strong enough where I can defend. And once you become a man, you kind of don't have to worry about those sort of things. But.

• 41:56Shawn Ryan?

  Can we rewind?

• 41:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:58Shawn Ryan?

  How did that happen?

• 42:01Speaker 03

  This priest claimed he was, you know, kind of doing spiritual retreats for the middle school guys. And with three of us, he took on a retreat overnight. We get there, he's got beer and, you know, we weren't even into beer. It's like, we're at an age where it's like, what are you doing? And that night, he sexually assaulted me. But I obviously woke up to him on top of me and, you know, it was not pleasant.

• 42:29Shawn Ryan?

  And you held that in all the way until college?

• 42:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, so.

• 42:35Shawn Ryan?

  Did you continue to, did you have to continue to go to that same church?

• 42:40Speaker 03

  No, I didn't go. I never went. I stopped. And I would just tell my parents, I'm walking to church. I'm going to my, I'm going to this mass, bye. And then I would go hang out in the parking lot of the playground. And I did this, you know, I went to Catholic education my whole life, grammar school, high school, college was even Catholic, but I did not go to church.

• 43:01Speaker 03

  I didn't participate in any of the sacraments.

• 43:04Shawn Ryan?

  What did that, I mean, how did you,

• 43:08Shawn Ryan?

  how did you overcome that as a, I mean, there's so many kids out there, even just on the show. We've, I would say 50% of the guests or more have been through some type of a, some type of sexual trauma as a child. And so for, for all the kids that are listening, or, or who are, who are gonna go through that, who are going through it, who have been through it, how, how, how did you get over that?

• 43:35Speaker 03

  I'm not the best example because what I did is not the right way to go. I just shut down God and his church. I kind of went my own way. I rebelled. I became

• 43:47Speaker 03

  a really bad kid. You know, my parents didn't know what was going on, but they knew something is wrong. But back then, nobody even dreamed this was a possibility, you know? This is, we're talking the 70s.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  So they just kept grounding me because I was always out partying and drinking and having fun with the crazy kids. And, you know, college was my ticket out of there, where I just get away from this whole thing. But that's where I finally went into it and, and realized this has to be dealt with. You can't just go through life like this. And I kind of

• 44:23Speaker 03

  just looked at it objectively, like, I guess bad things happen to people who don't deserve them. It happens all the time. I guess I'm a victim of that. But I'm not gonna let that, you know, be the guiding force in my life. Like, it's an event, but it doesn't have to be the, the, the force that's gonna shape and mold you. So like, live your life already. But I was living my life without God, and that's the first mistake. Don't throw God out when something bad happens. It's not his fault. You can't blame God for his cheap labor.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  So I would say if you're a kid and something bad has happened to you, tell your parents regardless of how embarrassing it was or how shameful it was or whatever. They gotta get involved because the only way you're gonna get quick help is when they know something has happened. Now, if your parent is the part of the problem, you know, if they're abusing you, then you have to get help from somebody else. Go to a teacher.

• 45:17Shawn Ryan?

  How do you feel that the Catholic Church deals with this? I mean, it is, it has been a reoccurring

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 45:26Shawn Ryan?

  problem within the, within the church?

• 45:29Speaker 03

  Uh, again, I'm not probably the most informed, but probably more than the laypeople. Um, I think a lot of good provisions have been put into place to stop this.

• 45:44Speaker 03

  But my own case, I was one of seventeen from the same priest.

• 45:48Shawn Ryan?

  One of seventeen?

• 45:49Speaker 03

  So that could have been prevented long ago before I was even, you know, on the horizon there. Uh, the bishops kept moving him and that's what happens, you know? So I blame the bishops. You know, they could have prevented this. Uh, and I'm not gonna make any excuse for it at all because like, one kid is enough to say, no, we're not gonna let that happen again.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  But right here in Franklin, I mean, there was just a priest removed a few months ago. So it's still not completely over.

• 46:20Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  And you gotta go back to the seminaries and say, you gotta have better detection systems when somebody is open to this sort of sexual behavior. There has to be a way to screen it. There has to be. When I was first coming, when I first came back to the faith, I found a priest in New York who I really liked. He was a Franciscan friar, the renewal, Father Benedict Grousechel. He also was a psychiatrist. And he told me, he'd interviewed probably a thousand priests who did these things to kids, usually in prison. And what he noticed with all of them is they had stopped praying. He would just say, when did you stop praying at your office, the briefer? It's the one prayer we have to pray every day. We don't have to say Mass every day.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  We have to pray this set of prayers. It's the only promise we take is to do that. And obedience to our bishop.

• 47:14Speaker 03

  And they would all say, how did you know? And he said, because I've been interviewing people, you guys for years now. And it's just, it's the common denominator. Now, that doesn't take away the problem. If somebody has an inherent problem that they're attracted to children, even praying is not going to be enough, I don't think. But you can see that that was a factor. They gave up praying and they basically threw in the towel and they gave in to the desires. But there has to be a model that you can be screening in seminary to figure out. I mean, they, I have to believe they know they have this desire. We know what we want. We know what attracts us, what makes us, you know, get aroused. And if that's you, for the sake of the kingdom of God and for your own soul,

• 47:57Speaker 03

  admit it and get out of there and get help. Like, that has to be an option that they give on day one. If this is something you're attracted to, we want to help you, but you cannot be ordained.

• 48:09Shawn Ryan?

  Do you, do you think, this was actually a Patreon question. I didn't want to, I didn't want to kick the interview off that heavy. But do you think that if priests were allowed, if they were allowed to marry, do you think that could, do you think this would solve a greater portion of the problem?

• 48:33Speaker 03

  No.

• 48:34Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  They're not interested with sex with women. Clearly. I mean, that's not what they're looking for.

• 48:40Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 48:41Speaker 03

  And no one's going to put themselves into a marriage. And, and look at the poor woman in a marriage that's a ruse. That's just a shield. The woman's going to know pretty quickly, he's not interested in me. He never wants to sleep with me. So like, what is he looking for then? That's what they were looking for.

• 49:00Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, wow. Well, thank you for sharing that.

• 49:03Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 49:03Shawn Ryan?

  I'm, I'm sorry that happened.

• 49:07Speaker 03

  It's kind of an interesting path because when I finally did get the full healing from this thing, and that came when I got into religious life. And the Lord uses me to bring healing to others. You know, when I first... Heard God calling me to be a priest. My first reaction was, why would you ask me to do that?

• 49:28Shawn Ryan?

  Where were you when you heard this?

• 49:31Speaker 03

  Well, the first time somebody said, I think you have a vocation to be a priest. I was in Medjugorje. I'd just done my 22 year confession with a priest.

• 49:41Speaker 03

  And he absolved me and I felt amazing. And then he says, I think you have a vocation to be a priest. And I was like, what? Did you not just listen to that confession? Clearly, I'm not called to be a priest. You know, it was a wild days in Wall Street.

• 49:57Speaker 03

  And he's like, no, all things are possible with God. But I was just like, no, the priest is a little bit, the Looney Tunes.

• 50:05Speaker 03

  And then I, but when I started, I came back to New York City. I had to get my life in order because, you know, the conversion is one thing, but now you have to implement it. Part of that was I had to get rid of the bad influences in my life. I had a lot of bad friends who were not good influences, you know? Big with the cocaine, big with the partying, had to go. And I joined the Wall Street Young Catholics Association to make new friends with guys that were trying to live virtuous lives. Big 180, just by putting the right people around you. It just, they lift you up.

• 50:36Shawn Ryan?

  So, hold on. So, how, how crazy did it get on Wall Street with you?

• 50:42Speaker 03

  The life is crazy. I'm just gonna leave it at that because I don't want to scandalize the faithful. But, you know, you're living in the biggest city in the world with everything available and you're making a ton of money. You can fill in the blanks. And then I started working for a public relations firm where I was working with both New York corporations, big ones. Citicorp, Chase, Pfizer, but also the celebrity route. So Jennifer Lopez was a client, Tommy Hilfiger, Rolling Stone magazine's photographer, Mark Seliger. And he was introducing me to people like Brad Pitt and Jerry Seinfeld at his parties. And there's just, you know, there's no end to the craziness that goes on in a lot of these circles. Okay?

• 51:27Speaker 03

  I'm not saying any of these people were doing that, but the lifestyle is there if you want it. So. Yeah, you have to, I had to make big decisions on reading all that stuff out and just working towards a virtuous life, which would bring forth the peace that I was really looking for. It's just peace. A peace where I just felt good about my life and I wasn't always anxious or angry or just full of all these negative emotions. So here I am, the Lord, when he asked me, he said, "Listen, you know, I'm gonna use you to bring healing and reparation to people who have been hurt."

• 52:09Speaker 03

  I was like, "Oh, well, that's, alright, that's kind of an interesting twist." Now, I would, today, looking back, I could say, "Well, that should be every priest. It shouldn't just be a special case, you know, because you got abused." But he was going into that deeper for the abused victims too. And I would find myself in the most ridiculous positions, speaking at a prison to, you know, 500 murderers and rapists, who, by the way, probably 80% of them were sexually abused as kids, and they went into drugs, and then they went into getting the money for those drugs and got involved in all sorts of bad things. Where I'm preaching to them my story and telling them that God has a plan for their

• 52:52Speaker 03

  life too, and I'm watching these big, huge, skinhead murderers, and there's just tears coming down, because they've never heard this. No one's ever told them. That one, God loves them. That two, he has a plan to rescue them and get them free again. And that he's never stopped loving them. Like, they've never heard this. Like, whoa, okay. So, this is going on for quite a bit of time. I'm now older. I'm sitting in the chapel one day praying, and the Lord says to me, "Can I ask you a question?" And I'm like... Okay, but you've never asked me if you want to ask me a question before. What is this about? If you want to ask a question, you just ask it. He goes, I want you to remember this. I don't want you to ever forget it.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  So if I could take you back to being 10 years old before you were abused, and let you live your life going forward that way, knowing what you know now, and knowing that I've healed you completely, and knowing how much I've used you already to help people. You're not even ordained. Would you change your life? And I had to think about it, and I was like, no, I'm good. Because I don't have any of the baggage. I don't have any of the pain. But I'm seeing how you're using me to help other people. And if this is just the tip of the iceberg, then let's go forward. But it was such an amazing moment where you realize he really can bring goodness out of anything, if you let him.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  If you're willing to be healed and do the work and go forward.

• 54:23Shawn Ryan?

  Is this, is this a... When God asked you that question, how, how did it? I mean, how did it? Was it in your head?

• 54:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, I can hear his voice in my mind. He spoke to me once outside my head, but that only happened once in my life.

• 54:40Shawn Ryan?

  What was that like?

• 54:43Speaker 03

  I had been, so I got back to New York City after this conversion, and this priest became my spiritual director. And he said, I want you to start praying every day if the Lord wants you to do something different with your life. So every day I would just pray, "Lord, if you want me to do something different in my life, please tell me, and I'm open to it." And this went on for 18 months. And so finally, on November 5th of 2000, I just went up to receive communion. It was early in the morning. There was really no people around me. And I sat down on my pew, and I heard a voice audibly say, "Come, follow me." And I turned around, there's nobody there. And I was like, oh, it's you. You know, it's been 18 months. This is the first time you've spoken to me, by the way. And I go, sure, I'm gonna follow you.

• 55:27Speaker 03

  I don't know where we're going, but I'm gonna follow you. Let's, let's go do this. And that was the only time I've heard that voice right outside.

• 55:35Shawn Ryan?

  And then on the inside, inside your head, like what we're just talking about.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  It's just clear as a bell to me. I just know when he's speaking. I know it's him. This just happened to me actually a week ago. I was finishing a mission in Cleveland, but it's 80 miles outside of, was it Cleveland or Pittsburgh? It was Pittsburgh. 80 miles outside of Pittsburgh. And the mass was at 8 a.m. and my flight's at 10:43. And I'm like, this is gonna be tight. And the priest that I'm doing the mission for says, maybe you should go at like, 7:45 and just miss the mass, just to be sure. And I'm like, no, I feel like if I believe the most important thing that happens on the planet every day is the mass, I'm gonna, I'm gonna go to mass and we'll see what happens.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  So mass ends at 8:30, we jump in the car, we head out, it starts raining. And I'm like, ugh, because I hate the airport. It's one of the biggest, nearer occasions of temptation I have is to get so angry at the airport. So I'm just kinda like, okay, what is going on here? So it's very clear we're gonna get there very late. And so I start thinking I should probably be rescheduling my flight, booking something later, da, da, da. And I hear the voice say, do you trust me? And I know it's him. And I'm like, you know, I trust you, but there's like, there's a practical sides of life too. Like, you know, if I roll up and the plane's gone, obviously I'm gonna miss it. He goes, do you trust me? I go, yeah.

• 57:06Speaker 03

  He goes, put your phone away. I'm like, okay, so I'm not gonna do the phone thing. We pull up at 10:30 on the dot, at the curb. I have to go into the airport, up two escalators, get through security, get on a train that takes you over to where the terminal is, and then get to my gate, which is like number 43C or something. And I'm just like, impossible, this is never gonna happen. I'm already doubting and I get up there and I have clear, but there was like 10 people ahead of me and they go every other, it takes forever. And this TSA lady grabs me, goes, "Just come over here, Father." She takes me to TSA, "I don't have to take my shoes off, I don't have to take the belt, I don't have to do anything."

• 57:51Speaker 03

  She throws my bags on a belt, there's nobody in this lane at all, and she goes, "Just walk through the thing, go." And I'm like, "What is happening here?" And I walk out, grab my bags, I go, the shuttle doors are waiting, open, there's nobody on the train but me, and normally they wait for like five minutes to, you know, fill up a little. I get on and they shut and they go zooming to the other end of the terminal. Door's open and it drops me at like gate 25, so I'm already just like two gates away. And I get there and it's like 10:40, I have three minutes, and the gate is empty, there's nobody there. And there's not even an American rep. And I'm like, "Ah, just missed it." And the door opens to the flight path to the plane and it's an American guy.

• 58:35Speaker 03

  He goes, "Hey, he's here, hold the plane." And he rushes me down the little gangplank onto the plane, I sit in my seat and we take off. 10 minutes from gate, from the curb to the gate, through security, with a train. Impossible.

• 58:49Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  Impossible.

• 58:51Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 58:52Speaker 03

  Yeah. When he does stuff like that, I shouldn't get amazed, but I do get amazed. I'm like, "What?" I even took a picture of my watch and I texted it to the priest that dropped me off because he was apologizing, he's just like, "I'm so sorry you missed your flight." And I had a picture of me inside the plane, I'm like, "I'm on the plane." He's like, "What?"

• 59:10Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. What do you think about reoccurring numbers, like 444?

• 59:16Speaker 03

  Happens to me all the time.

• 59:17Shawn Ryan?

  What is that?

• 59:18Speaker 03

  I don't know for sure, but for me, when I see a triple, it's always Trinity. So I just do a glory B every time I see the three numbers. "Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world's end in. Just give God glory." So I would get to the point where like, you know, at like 5:55, I'm like, "Okay, I'm off the hook now for like 12 hours because there's no 666 on our clocks, you know, clearly." So, and then I'd start seeing it on the microwave, where I'd look over at the microwave's going and I look over, it's like, "Oh, 222," as it's counting down, I'm like, "Oh, so this is gonna happen, this is gonna happen all through the day, I guess." License plates, you know, I'm looking, I see it all the time, and for me, it's just give God glory. Be aware of His presence.

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• 1:01:02Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. Yeah, this happens, this is a big part of my story too. Okay. 444. And I see it all the time now. And now I see all these reoccurring numbers all the time. And I, I, I looked it up and it said that, um, you know, this is really interesting, Father, because I had had these, I had this profound experience, came home, started making phone calls. Uh, one of them was to this guy Eddie Penny, uh, who's also been, um, there for me, uh, when I need spiritual advice. And I had a chat with him at night about, and he was talking about guardian. He is, he was basically saying, he said, now that you've chosen a side,

• 1:01:48Shawn Ryan?

  things are going to start happening. And, um, not necessarily good things. And, uh, he said that you'll be attacked. And the very next morning, I had a, a conversation with, with a gentleman that works for me. His name's Adam. Um, oh, very, um, devout Catholic. Had the exact same conversation again. Uh, and when, when I...

• 1:02:16Shawn Ryan?

  I looked at my, it just, all these things happened. That, that conversation with Adam happened at noon. I went home for lunch. I looked at my clock on the way back to the studio. It said 4:44. I looked at the odometer, you know, the, uh, you have this much, this many, you have 444 miles left until empty. And this happened four hours and 44 minutes after my conversation with Adam. And so it was like, what's going on? Um, got here to the studio, Googled it. It said, we want you to know that your guardian angels, it, 4:44 means that once, somebody wants you to know your guardian angels are, are, are watching over you at, at this specific time.

• 1:02:59Shawn Ryan?

  And, and those two conversations prior to that were about guardian angels. And it just, I was like, whoa.

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  Well, all Pistons should be firing because today is the feast of the guardian angels.

• 1:03:11Shawn Ryan?

  What, uh, say again?

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  Today, October 2nd, in the church is the feast day of the guardian angels. Today, the church honors the guardian angels, October 2nd.

• 1:03:22Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:23Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. That's, I did not know that.

• 1:03:26Speaker 03

  Chances are one out of 365.

• 1:03:29Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. Wow. You just, man, that's, um, I know there are no coincidences, so.

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  So, I don't know if you ever heard this, but like, uh, Tim Tebow, remember when he was, uh, playing in college? He put the, the 316 under his eyes?

• 1:03:50Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:51Speaker 03

  For John 316. And of course, um, the, uh, NCAA said, you can't do that. No religious monikers on your person. And he was, you know, okay, I'll be obedient to the league. And then, three years later to the day, he was playing, I think, a playoff game for...

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  Denver, was he with Denver?

• 1:04:18Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know.

• 1:04:18Speaker 03

  I don't remember, but anyway. His publicist comes up to him at the end of the game. And it's on, it's on, he has a video of it, it's amazing. He's like, do you know what today is? He's like, uh, whatever the date is. He's like, no, but it's more than that. This is the three year anniversary of when you put John 3:16 on your eyes. And let me just tell you what happened. And there were like, a dozen stats on that game. Every one of them was 3:16.

• 1:04:42Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  Like he had 31.6 yards in passing. He had, it was all over the game, everywhere, rushing. And like, this is involving two major teams that you can't orchestrate this.

• 1:04:55Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:55Speaker 03

  And that's how God just gives you a wink, like, I'm in control here. I know what's going on. And I'm thankful you did that for me. And that day, it was the most Googled thing, uh, for, I think for the week, was John 3:16 on the three year anniversary.

• 1:05:09Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:05:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I love, I just, I always feel like that's a sign that's God just saying, hey, I've got you.

• 1:05:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:17Shawn Ryan?

  Don't worry.

• 1:05:18Speaker 03

  Like, he, it's like, he's playing chess with like a one year old and he's 400 moves ahead.

• 1:05:24Speaker 03

  It's insane. You can't even like map it out, how he does it.

• 1:05:28Shawn Ryan?

  I love it when it happens.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  Me too.

• 1:05:30Shawn Ryan?

  I love it when it happens. But, um, but you, it sounds like you had some... How do I say this? Some very unique, kinda scary events happened in New York.

• 1:05:48Speaker 03

  Well, um...

• 1:05:49Shawn Ryan?

  There were also signs.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  So I had this spiritual director at Our Lady of Victory Church. It's on Chase Plaza, of all names. And when he was directing me, he said, you know, first he said, you're gonna need a director. And I go, why? He goes, I can just tell, you're gonna need a director. I go, is that you? He's like, yeah, I'll do it. So just come back next Friday, we'll start this. He's the one that got me started asking the Lord if I wanna do something different with my life. And he said, I just wanna make you aware because you came out of such of a dark place where you really were like one foot in hell, another on a banana peel. And the devil's probably very angry that you got snatched back out of his clutches. So just be aware, he's gonna be coming for you. And when you hear that said, you're just kinda like, what are you talking about?

• 1:06:36Speaker 03

  Like, cuz I don't know. So one day, I'm kinda getting tired of my job, even though it was a good job, the public relations job.

• 1:06:46Speaker 03

  And it was getting more and more difficult. Hillary Clinton was running for Senator and she wanted us to handle part of that campaign. And I was like, at this point, I'm just like, uh. I don't really know if I want to represent these people anymore that we have as clients, you know, just for my own personal reasons. And so one of the problems with entertaining these kind of people is it's a big party life, right? So you go out for dinner and it goes forever and there's drinking and drinking and drinking. And I just was getting worn down. I said to the priest, I said, you know, I'm getting, it's like having a foot in both worlds. I can't do it anymore. I feel like I gotta get out of this. And he says, well, just stop the drinking, just stop the drinking for a month.

• 1:07:29Speaker 03

  When you go to the restaurant, go ahead of time and tell the waitress, when I order this, just make it, you know, if it's going to be Jack and Coke, just do Coke for my order and don't tell anybody. And I go, okay, I can do that. And I walk out of the church and standing at the front of the door, like three feet back from the door of the church is this very, very, very handsome guy in this amazing, like you could tell it was like a custom made suit and everything. He looked like he walked off a magazine. But he's just standing there. That's kind of unusual because New York is like always people are moving. There's nobody standing around alone staring at the church doors. So I made a note of him, walked past him and I start going towards my office.

• 1:08:14Speaker 03

  And he comes up next to me and grabs me by the arm, which again, nobody does that because you'll get punched in the face, you know, grab people. And I'm like, what are you doing? Get away from me. And he goes, let's get a drink. It's like 10:30, 11:00 in the morning and I'm like, what? I go, get away from me. And I switched directions and then headed home because home was only like two blocks away. I get to my building. I go through the doors, I look back and he's just laughing at me, just like mocking me. And he leaves, and then I run back to the church and I get the hold of the Monsignor and I go, "Let me tell you what just happened." And he goes, "Well, I told you, he's not happy with you and he's gonna make a play for you. Just be on guard."

• 1:09:00Speaker 03

  And I'm like, "Okay, well, you didn't tell me it was gonna be creepy stuff like this." You know, that was weird. He heard our conversation even though he wasn't in the church. He's like, "Yeah, he has a lot of power, but like, God's power is bigger, don't worry." Alright, so that ended. Now I am a seminarian. And I was on break and my old boss and myself decide to go down to Miami and visit one of our friends who used to be at Citibank with me on Wall Street and is now working the Latin American market for everything, private banking or something.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  And she sets the whole day up. We're gonna have a kind of brunch at this place called Nicky Beach, which is again, one of these very exclusive, bottle service, fancy places. We go, we sit down, we order, and the two ladies are looking over my shoulder and they're noticing this guy, they're like, "Oh my gosh, this guy's so handsome, look at him, he's amazing." And I'm not really paying attention until he starts walking over to our table. And then one of them says, "Oh my gosh, he's coming over here." And I turn around and look and it's him, same guy. "Are you serious?" "Same guy." Now he's in a bathing suit, even better looking than in a suit. And I'm like, "Only the devil would have the perfect body, right?"

• 1:10:20Speaker 03

  And he goes to me, "What are you doing here? I thought you were gonna be a priest. This is my territory." And the girls, literally the hair goes up on their back and they're freaked out, back of their neck. One of them grabs the bill, says, "We have to leave right now." And we go to leave and he just again, started laughing at me with the same mocking laugh. Like, you know, "I'm watching you, I can see what you're doing." Probably shouldn't have been there.

• 1:10:47Speaker 03

  But lesson learned, you know, now when I encounter him, he's inside people. He's not, he doesn't take a physical form like those two other times.

• 1:10:57Shawn Ryan?

  What went through your head that second time as soon as you realized?

• 1:11:01Speaker 03

  I knew I shouldn't have been there, like this isn't a place for a seminary, you know? There was more than just drinking going on. They had little cabanas where people are coupling up and doing things. And all the basic capital sense are happening.

• 1:11:14Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:15Speaker 03

  So fool me once, shame on me.

• 1:11:20Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, interesting, very interesting. When did, when did, I mean, how did you get into exorcisms?

• 1:11:32Speaker 03

  Well, that's interesting too, you know? After nine 11, I moved up to Boston and I wound up staying with a priest for about nine months. And he did deliverance ministry. In fact, the very first weekend I arrived, and I didn't know him that well. But I'm out of luck. I have no job now and now I have no place to live because I was, you know, I was so close. They closed everything under Canal Street. So there was no power, there was no gas, there was no electricity. And so basically everyone was told, go find a place to live for at least six months. Cause this isn't going to be up and running anytime soon. So this priest invited me up to Boston. I said, I'll go, I go up there and he was amazing. But he had this ministry.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  So my first weekend there, he has this woman in his chapel in the rectory, who's slithering across the floor like a snake and foaming at the mouth. And her eyes are rolled back in her head and he's doing all these prayers. And then he looks at his watch and he says, okay, I'm going to go celebrate mass. I'll be back in an hour, just stay with her. And I'm like, what? This is my first introduction to this life. He leaves, she looks up at me and she's got this weird look in her eyes and she's got the foam coming out of her mouth and I'm like, "Oh, hell no." And I get out of there and I lock her inside and I sat outside and waited for him to come back. Well, he comes back and he's like, "What are you doing? What happened to the lady?" I go, "No, she's in there." "But I'm not staying in there with her. I mean, are you crazy? You left me alone with her."

• 1:12:58Speaker 03

  And he's like, "Oh, okay." I sometimes forget, for people who haven't been around this, it's a little jarring." I'm like, "A little jarring? Look at her, she looks like a snake." So, that was my introduction initially and then for nine months, he would do this with people and I got more comfortable in being in the room with him.

• 1:13:15Shawn Ryan?

  Like, how many times in nine months?

• 1:13:18Speaker 03

  Probably one or two a month.

• 1:13:21Shawn Ryan?

  One or two a month?

• 1:13:22Speaker 03

  Yep. Yeah. And then I went into religious life and my superior was an exorcist, the exorcist of Omaha. So now, I'm in the room, because they usually took the guys who were a little bit bigger to restrain the victim. And I got five years of that. And then when I got to Nashville, the bishop knew I was doing that for the religious community and he says, "You know, I want you to do that here for my diocese. Can you do the deliverance?" But he says, "I'm not going to make your nexus because I feel like that's too big a burden on one priest." And I said, "Okay." And then, he died, God rest his soul, Bishop Chobie, and then the new bishop comes in

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  and I don't have his authority because he hasn't given it to me. So, as the priests are calling me for help, I keep referring them to him. I said, "I gotta have, he has to give me the authority. I don't do this without being under his protection." And so, he finally connects and he says, "You know, why do these priests keep asking for you?" I said, "I was doing the deliverance for the diocese, but when Bishop Chobie died, I no longer had the authority. So, it's up to you." He said, "Are you the exorcist?" I said, "No." He didn't want any particular priest to be an exorcist, he thought it was too big a burden. And he says, "I don't know, I'm kind of, I kind of feel like you're fighting with your hands tied behind your back. Like, I think you should become the exorcist."

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  So, he sends me to Rome and I get trained and then I come back and begin as the exorcist.

• 1:14:51Shawn Ryan?

  What does that training consist of?

• 1:14:54Speaker 03

  It's intense. It's like...

• 1:14:57Shawn Ryan?

  How does it start? I mean, is there an introduction? Welcome to exorcism school?

• 1:15:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it was for like two weeks. Six days a week, seven in the morning to seven at night.

• 1:15:08Shawn Ryan?

  What is the introduction? What do they, what do they say?

• 1:15:12Speaker 03

  Well, th- this is kind of gonna be the syllabus and protocol for what we're gonna go into. There's probably about six or seven different fields, you know, biblical, practicums,

• 1:15:26Speaker 03

  the devil in Hollywood, the devil in media, the devil, you know, Harry Potter had its own class.

• 1:15:31Shawn Ryan?

  Harry Potter?

• 1:15:32Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. So, you get finished up, they, they pair you with a mentor who's been doing this a while. And my mentor was in Indianapolis. And so I met with him on a kind of regular basis and he took me through some of his cases. And I watched him do actual exorcisms and then, you know, eventually you get your first case that you, you do it. And, uh, I'll never forget it, it was in Murphysboro.

• 1:15:59Shawn Ryan?

  Hold on, hold on. Before, before we get there, how, how long is the school?

• 1:16:04Speaker 03

  It's like two weeks.

• 1:16:05Shawn Ryan?

  Two weeks?

• 1:16:06Speaker 03

  It's, they, they put it like two months into two weeks.

• 1:16:11Shawn Ryan?

  Is it, is it bookwork? Is it practical?

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  It's everything. Yeah, we actually have case studies of actual exorcisms that have been performed, uh, what happened, what you should do, what you shouldn't do. That class was the best class. Don't do this.

• 1:16:28Shawn Ryan?

  What, what?

• 1:16:29Speaker 03

  So if the, if the victim vomits up anything, including it could be vomit, it could be small frogs, it could be nails. Do not touch them. They're cursed objects until you liberate the objects from the demons and the curses. And then you can clean them up. I'm like, I'm not touching anybody's vomit, period. I don't care if you're a demon possessed or not. Like, that's not my thing. You know, I'd be like, can someone come in and help me clean this up? And then knowing that this could actually, you know, you touch it and then suddenly you're covered in boils, like, it's a whole level of, of

• 1:17:07Speaker 03

  care and attention to dealing with possessed objects.

• 1:17:10Shawn Ryan?

  Do they talk about how it happens?

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  How does one get possessed?

• 1:17:15Shawn Ryan?

  Yes.

• 1:17:15Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, of course. Hundred percent. And the two biggest ways are dabbling in the occult and

• 1:17:22Shawn Ryan?

  What does that mean?

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  Uh, playing with demonic things, Ouija boards, going to a psychic, tarot cards, or actual occult worship of the devil. Those are pretty much immediate open doors that you're gonna have demons come right in.

• 1:17:38Shawn Ryan?

  Psychics are demonic?

• 1:17:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're not, they're not channeling your dead relatives. So, right now, we have at least three guardian angels in the room. There's also probably demons in this room, and they're listening. And they hear every bit of what we're saying. Excuse me. And, uh, when somebody says, well, the psychic told me my mother shared this with me when I was ten, and nobody ever knew that but us, so it has to be my mom. Except for the demons in the room, who also heard it. And now they're impersonating your mother. If your mother's in heaven, she's having a good day, she doesn't want to come back and visit you. As much as mothers love their children. If she's in purgatory, she needs our prayers to get her moved into heaven.

• 1:18:24Speaker 03

  And if she's in hell, there's no getting out. It's not your mother.

• 1:18:31Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:18:32Speaker 03

  They can put up a good show, and it's very, you know, they can also place thoughts in our minds, and they can manipulate our emotions. And when you have that trifecta, the person is, a hundred percent believes it's their mother.

• 1:18:47Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. And so, so how would, so if you're a psychic, and I'm getting a reading from you, how does, how does the transmission happen?

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  Well, they're, they're in touch with a demon that's, they may even think it really is a relative. But I think most of them know that there's a power they're, they're tapping into that is dark. And they're not gonna share that with you. In fact, some of them will put Christian statues in the room. You know, Sacred Heart is over here, O'Lady of Fathom is over here, just to like, lower the anxiety level of the person coming in. Cause a lot of people have heard, it's really not a good thing. But they get desperate. You know, when people are desperate or in fear, they do things they wouldn't normally do. So like after the Civil War, these charlatans came up with these talking boards that they were going around and visiting all the widows,

• 1:19:48Speaker 03

  saying, "I can contact your dead husband, the soldier who died. If you, you know, can pay me this amount, we can do it with this talking board." And they made a lot of money off of these poor widows. And then that eventually became what was being known as the Ouija board, which was bought by Hasbro, toy company, and they're based in Salem, Massachusetts, the capital of witchcraft. And they have consultants who

• 1:20:20Speaker 03

  went into the development of these boards that became Ouija boards. And they are the first to say that they asked the board what its name is, and it said Ouija, which means nothing. And the first year they went to market, the number one board game was Monopoly. And that year, Ouija boards outsold Monopoly by a million boards. So it was embraced by the culture, like fast.

• 1:20:41Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:41Speaker 03

  And it's opening a portal right into hell.

• 1:20:47Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. How else can the transmission happen?

• 1:20:54Speaker 03

  Well, that's, I mean, that's pretty much it. I mean, for mediums, you mean?

• 1:20:58Shawn Ryan?

  No, no, no, no, I'm sorry, to become possessed.

• 1:21:02Speaker 03

  Uh, sexual vices, drugs, I mentioned the drugs. Uh, but one mortal sin is enough to open the door. I've never seen a case from one mortal sin, because it's easy to commit a mortal sin. You know, if you miss mass on Sunday, that's a mortal sin. But perpetual and habitual mortal sin is definitely a door opener. So if you're, you know, a married man who's continually having affairs and a womanizer and cheating, that can be an open door, where suddenly their personality will change, and the wife will know something's wrong. She's not even picking up on the affair. She's picking up on now this guy's carrying around these fallen spirits that are changing his personality.

• 1:21:46Speaker 03

  He's becoming more angry, he's more judgmental, he's more rotten. And she just thinks, "I must be doing something wrong. I don't know what happened to our marriage."

• 1:22:00Shawn Ryan?

  Is there any validity, I've talked to,

• 1:22:05Shawn Ryan?

  as I mentioned, I talked to a lot of the people that have been on the show have been sexually assaulted. Women have been raped. There's been a lot of discussion about that, that kind of, those kind of traumatic experiences on this show and, I've talked to a lot of people that think that demons are kind of passed on through sexual trauma, through rape, through molestation. Is there any validity to that that you know of?

• 1:22:37Speaker 03

  Passed on is not the right word. The person doing the raping can have demons and probably does. There's a defection there that they've allowed something and it's now causing them to hurt people. Obviously, it's not natural.

• 1:22:54Speaker 03

  But then the person who gets abused,

• 1:22:58Speaker 03

  I wouldn't say those demons are going over to that person. But what happens is the person in trauma

• 1:23:05Speaker 03

  has a giant wound that needs to be healed. And in every exorcism, in every deliverance, the other side of the coin is healing. There's always a hurt that is occurring with the deliverance. And the healing has to happen before the demon can be cast out. And so if the person never gets the healing, they can go in through that wound and manifest themselves within that person. They don't like to be disembodied. And so they get into the person through the wound. The person can be very angry at what happened legitimately, can be angry at God legitimately. But if there's never a forgiveness or a healing, that's where they really nestle in and take up house. So it's not the same demon that caused the rape. It's a new set.

• 1:23:50Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, that makes sense.

• 1:23:54Shawn Ryan?

  Let's move on. One more question. How are people selected or are they selected to be possessed?

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  For possession. Again, that's like, there's no science that we can just say this happens all the time, or that happens all the time. I think if someone... Too much curiosity can be a bad thing. Curiosity is not a virtue. So, there's people that spend hours a day on YouTube just digging deeper into darkness, and occult, and black masses, and desecration of the Eucharist, and all these horrible things. And again, the demons can inflame our passions, and put thoughts in our heads that can twist things. So, we are thinking one thing. I had one guy who was possessed. He went on YouTube and tried to open his third eye through a

• 1:24:42Speaker 03

  video, and felt the demon go into him through the YouTube video. No disrespect to YouTube, but that's what he did. His name is John. I worked with him for two years, and we never got him fully liberated.

• 1:25:01Speaker 03

  So, obviously, with the advent of our culture, we all have a phone in our hand now, with access to both good and evil. You know, the phone's neutral, but you can use it for bad things, and you can get into bad things with it. I would say the reason, three times our lady... So, back to Maggiore. Maggiore is this place where she's been appearing to these six kids since 1981. So, 43 years. Every day, the Blessed Mother appears to at least three of these children. Three of them have all ten secrets, and only see her once a year. And we don't need to get into the mechanics of all that. But at least three of them are seeing her every day for 43 years. Something is happening. Like, if heaven

• 1:25:45Speaker 03

  is trying to alert the world that there's a problem, like never before. And she said on three occasions in these messages she gives to the world, "Sin is at an all-time high. This is the most evil generation since the inception of man." Worse than the flood.

• 1:26:05Speaker 03

  Worse than Sodom and Gomorrah now. And I think part of that has to do with the fact that we can instantly communicate with everybody around the world. And we are propagating sin in a way we never used to. If you wanted to have a sexual sin, you had to go do it with somebody. But now we can just open a phone and do things on the phone. And Los Angeles is California, but mostly Los Angeles, number one exporter of pornography to the whole world. Something like 65% of it's all made in California. We should be not only ashamed of that statistic as Americans, but fearful for the kind of

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  things that they're opening up to the country with that kind of filth with the demonic world. And then you look at the rest of Hollywood and how there's a lot of other problems. I just saw Nicole Kidman has a new movie coming out who alleges to be Catholic. They almost gave it an X rating. In our day and age, imagine that. So they had to cut stuff to get it down to R. But she has a preoccupation, it's having an affair, but also preoccupation with sex with animals. So we're going to a whole new level. And this is a mainstream film that teenagers are gonna watch and maybe get hooked into something even darker. Okay, that, this is my issue with Hollywood.

• 1:27:30Speaker 03

  Do not tell me you're Catholic and then produce such filth and drag other people into your mess and then come to church on Sunday and sit in the pew. Excuse me, it's not okay. We put up with it with the politicians for long enough, but the Hollywood has to be held accountable too. Like, they're hurting the kids, they're hurting them. And they're opening these doors to horrible things that they should never see. Very, very bad.

• 1:27:58Shawn Ryan?

  We'll dive into that deeper in a little bit. Let's move into Murfreesboro, your first one.

• 1:28:07Speaker 03

  Okay. So, Mexican girl, probably, I think, probably early 30s.

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  She actually did have a strong prayer life at one point.

• 1:28:22Speaker 03

  We never could determine the actual reason. We think it was fear, that she had a fear that was so big that it was consuming her life. And rather than her trust in God, she gave into this fear and that we think could be the door that opened to these demons. So, the pastor happened to be a very good priest and he wanted to be present for the exorcism, so he was in the room with me. He had just ordered an enormous, like, eight-foot replica of El Lady Guadalupe painting that was in this... It was kind of like a storage room. But we couldn't do it in the church because there were people in the church and it would have... You don't do that, you know?

• 1:29:04Speaker 03

  First of all, you don't publicly put somebody through an exorcism where it can be seen by bystanders. But also, it'd be very... Could be frightening to the people who don't know that's happening. So, we're in this private room.

• 1:29:21Speaker 03

  It's my first time, so I hope I know what I'm doing, right? I go through the whole rite, I follow the protocols exactly. She's on the floor, literally struggling. I mean, she's sweating, her body's being contorted. She's screaming, she's in pain. We're hearing guttural voices of men that are coming out of her. So, I know they're also uncomfortable. So, in a way, it's working. Except...

• 1:29:50Speaker 03

  We get to the end of the rite where we start doing prayers at Thanksgiving and I'm like, I look at the priest, I'm like, obviously she's not liberated.

• 1:29:56Shawn Ryan?

  What do you mean the rite?

• 1:29:58Speaker 03

  So there's a rite of exorcism. It's a, it's an exact formulation of specific prayers in a specific order to deliver the person from the demon. It's not random. In deliverance prayers, I can kind of, I don't want to say wing it, but you know, I can just pray from the heart and say, "Lord, you know, in the name of Jesus, I bind all spirits of anger and rage off this person and I cast them to Jesus for him to deal with them." But in the rite, first of all, the rite has to be done by an exorcist only. It can't just, can't just be any priest. It has to be delegated by the bishop.

• 1:30:36Speaker 03

  There's protocols to put into place for the protection of the person, like a physical exam beforehand to make sure that they're healthy enough to undergo it. Also a psychological battery that's about a day long.

• 1:30:49Shawn Ryan?

  How do you give a health exam to somebody that's possessed, whose body's contorted?

• 1:30:54Speaker 03

  Well, they send them to the doctor. I don't do that, I'm not a doctor. And the demon isn't manifesting all the time. So some of them, I had a woman right now who, she was working at a Nissan plant by day and then at night she would manifest at home when she's around her, her husband. But it, it backed off during the day. I guess they hadn't gotten to the point where they wanted to completely harass her. But now she's in a psych ward because they started acting up at work and then the boss said, "What's wrong with you? I think you need psychological help." And they recommended she go and she checked into a psych ward. She's not going to get delivered in the psych ward. So I said to the pastor, you know, "What do you want me to do?"

• 1:31:35Speaker 03

  Because she's obviously exhausted. It's been over an hour of this torture. And I said, "We can stop or I can keep going." And he goes, "I don't want to have to go through this again." And I don't think she does either. Let's just keep going and get it over with. Now, both of us were kind of naive, thinking that we can determine when this is going to end. So I start praying and praying and praying again. And then all of a sudden, I have this thought, you know, the painting is right behind her, this enormous Guadalupe. And I say to her, I go, "Look to your mother and ask for her help." And she turns her head and she looks at the painting and she's, in Spanish, she screams that, "Please, Mother, help me. Set me free from this thing."

• 1:32:18Speaker 03

  And then she went into massive convulsions, where it was a little frightening. We didn't know what was happening to her, like, is she dying? And then she's... But what, what, what do you mean? What did it look like? Like a massive seizure? Flash, yeah, her whole body's flailing and screaming and like, it's obvious she's, it's not her. Because it's coming off the floor, it's like... And both of us are like a little freaked out, the other priest and I. And then all of a sudden, it ends and she just lies there. And I'm like, at first, I'm like, thinking, is she breathing? And then I could see her chest moving. I'm like, okay, she's alive. And then she opened her eyes and she was back. And she's completely set free. And like, I look at the priest and I'm like,

• 1:33:03Speaker 03

  holy cow, like, had we known, we could have like opened with that. Like, "Look to your mother and ask for her help." Like, but what do we know? I mean, I didn't know anything. But that's how it happened. It wasn't through the rite of exorcism. It was from her petitioning Our Lady. What is her response? Who, who's the girl? When it's gone? Oh, she was thrilled, she was so happy. I mean, is it, is it, is it immediately, like? Yeah, she knows, she's free. Do they know they're possessed? Yes. Is it emotional? Is it an emotional experience at the end? Yes, because she was so grateful she was set free. I mean, she's crying, but she's happy, she's smiling. She's covered in sweat, head to toe.

• 1:33:47Speaker 03

  I mean, just the most grueling session you can imagine. It was when they're tormenting the victim physically and they're contorting their body and they're twisting body parts around. And it's painful. It's painful to watch, too. Is it emotional for you when it's over?

• 1:34:07Speaker 03

  When it's over, no, I'm kind of relieved. But when it's happening, there's a fine line where I can start getting so angry at the demon that it actually will work against the exorcism because now I'm channeling like unhealthy anger, which isn't good. So I have to really remain in check, like, don't get, I can't get violently angry at this thing and start screaming at it because then I'm, now I'm working in his camp. That's a fine line to tell.

• 1:34:34Shawn Ryan?

  Where does the demon go?

• 1:34:38Speaker 03

  Don't know. I mean, when we actually are casting things out, we send them to the feet of Jesus for him to do what he wants with. I, I mean, maybe the last place they want to go is back to hell. Because they will be horribly, uh, I want to say tortured, but tortured by, by the devil because they failed their mission.

• 1:35:10Shawn Ryan?

  Is hell an actual place or is hell a realm that surrounds us?

• 1:35:17Speaker 03

  Uh, well, the world's looking more like hell, but I think hell is a place. But again, you know, right now it's souls that would be in hell. It's not physical bodies. But they experience, the spirit can experience more pain than the flesh. This is something a lot of people don't understand. So their torment is worse than what we would experience in this life. And so too, on the flip side, heaven is so much better than this life that people can't imagine. So when people die and come back, they often don't want to come back. But the Lord's like, no, you gotta go back. Cause they're like, it's just so amazing.

• 1:35:59Speaker 03

  I've had people tell me like, there's smells we haven't smelled here, good smells. There's colors we haven't seen yet. There's flowers that seem to have their own like vitality and life that they move and it's all in the glory of God. The best description was, a person said to me,

• 1:36:23Speaker 03

  Heaven is real life, the way that a real person is versus the person's shadow. So if you see someone's shadow on the sidewalk, that's this life. One dimensional gray, that's life on earth. And then the whole vitality of a human being would be the comparison to heaven versus the shadow. So that's big, it's huge.

• 1:36:46Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 1:36:52Shawn Ryan?

  Let's move into some of the other exorcisms that just really were a challenge or stand out to you.

• 1:37:02Speaker 03

  The only time I've been physically attacked was once. Again, it was another woman who was manifesting a snake on the floor, crawling like a serpent. I have a guy with me who's supposed to be my bodyguard and...

• 1:37:20Shawn Ryan?

  Are the bodyguards other priests?

• 1:37:23Speaker 03

  No, they can be, but in this case it wasn't.

• 1:37:26Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 1:37:26Speaker 03

  This was another Spanish person who didn't speak English, so I needed a translator as well. So I had this gentleman from the Spanish community who, he's a good guy. And at one point, as I'm doing my prayers and she's slithering across the floor, she, her head flies back like that and she's staring at me. And she's sort of got like the snake eyes, which are like, I think, vertical, instead of like ours are this way, and they're slits and they're yellow. And I just kind of looked at her and I immediately thought, this isn't good. Something is happening. And she flew off the floor without using her hands and her feet.

• 1:38:09Speaker 03

  And I was immediately in front of me and grabbed my stole. So I have a stole on, which is a piece of fabric that goes around my neck. And she starts choking me. And she's not a big girl. She's like maybe 120 pounds, but she has a grip that I can't break. So I start looking over to him and I'm like, come on. And he looks at me, he's like, no. And I'm like, are you kidding me? This is your one job.

• 1:38:36Speaker 03

  And he's like, I'm not coming in. So I just then focused and I said, in the name of Jesus, stop. And she fell back on the floor and went back to her slithering. And I backed up a few feet and continued. But that was, that's the one and only time I've been physically attacked.

• 1:38:52Shawn Ryan?

  How much fear do you feel when, when, when you're doing these?

• 1:38:55Speaker 03

  None, uh, because I, my attitude is if God is giving me this ministry to help his people, he's gonna show up. And why would he allow them to hurt me unless it's for my own education and learning? Like, sometimes you learn by mistake. So that can, like that case, like, I don't know what I did wrong. I think I didn't vet the guy in the room with me enough. Maybe the Lord was trying to tell me, you gotta pick these people a little careful, more careful? I don't know.

• 1:39:30Speaker 03

  I had friends with a priest who had two 300 pound men in the room with him. And again, it was a woman. And she reached over and with one hand lifted one of the guys between his legs and threw him 10 yards with one hand, 300 pounds.

• 1:39:50Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:39:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, think about that. So it's not the person's strength. It's clearly supernatural.

• 1:39:58Shawn Ryan?

  When you get called to perform an exorcism, I mean, what is the, how does it, how does it happen? Is it, can't be like a 911 call, right?

• 1:40:09Speaker 03

  When I first started, I kind of had such a, a pity for these people, such a sorrow of what they're going through, that I would drop everything and just, that became, you know, come today, we'll help you. Now, having said that, we never do exorcisms at night, in the middle of the woods, at somebody's home, which is like what the movies would have you think.

• 1:40:30Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:31Speaker 03

  It's in the church, usually in the chapel, uh, at my discretion and during the day when there's daylight, you know, we're gonna tip the scale in my favor, my territory. But what I was doing was, I was getting so caught up in these cases and they were just coming in faster and faster, and I was just spinning my wheels.

• 1:40:51Speaker 03

  So I eventually talked to my mentor and he goes, "Oh, no, no, no, no, no. No, he's gonna wear you out just by sending you fake cases and cases that aren't even real and people that are just there to just tie your time up and make you a big bag of exhaustion. Get on a process." So the process is, somebody makes contact with me saying, "I think I have a possessed person," or "I am a possessed person." I say, "Okay, give me your email. I'm gonna send you a spiritual intake form. Complete it and send it back to me." Step one. Now, sometimes the person is in such a state, they can't do that. And I'm, "Fine, let your mother do it. Let your brother do it. Let somebody in your family do it."

• 1:41:34Speaker 03

  Then I look at it and I put them on a prayer protocol. If they're Catholic, I want them to come in and go to confession. If they're not Catholic, we will have other things we can do for them. And we start to get them praying and putting an order into their life because they're severely disordered. Like at this point, most of them don't have a job, relationships have folded. They're sitting in their basement just all day long, like having their heads spin with all these crazy thoughts. Now, we're gonna put order back. Order is from God. The demons don't like order. And so just by putting a routine in their life, a lot of times, the demons start to back off. And then if they're doing the prayers as I ask them to, and then if they can go to

• 1:42:17Speaker 03

  confession, if they're Catholic, maybe 50% of the time, that breaks whatever was with them off them and they're fine. The ones that need more help, then they come in to me for an initial meeting on, you know, what we're gonna do for them. And I'll try doing deliverance prayers without the rite of exorcism. And if that helps them, and usually it does, then they're kinda set free. But they have to reconnect to God. And this is the point that a lot of people don't wanna do. I don't wanna go back to church. It's not my thing. Okay, but the person delivering you is Jesus. It's, I'm just standing there in persona.

• 1:42:56Speaker 03

  If you're telling me you don't want to connect with Him, then I'm not going to do the ministry, because they're going to leave and come back worse when you don't reconnect with God, because you're no longer under His umbrella protection. If you're going to hang out over here, and you don't come under His umbrella, I'm not doing the ministry, because they're just going to whack you even harder when they come back. So, we're done. Some of them will then say, "Okay, I'll go back." But they don't. And then I get another phone call in a month. It's worse. I go, "I told you it would be worse. You didn't listen." "Are you serious now?" "Yes, I'm serious. I'm going to go back to church." "Okay, go back and then call me, and then we'll start." Because it's not magic. It's relationship. He's got the power. Like I said in the beginning, like,

• 1:43:41Speaker 03

  we want to be His best friend. He wants to be our best friend. Like, what a great deal. Like, the author of salvation wants to be your best friend, the one who has all the power. This is the strong man, Jesus. Like, why wouldn't you want to be His friend? And when we are His friend, we're protected, you know? He kind of keeps things at bay and away from us until we go out straying and looking for those things ourselves. So, that's a hard thing for people to understand. I had a woman who was so physically crippled by these spirits. She was hunched over like an old lady. She says, "I'm not ready to go back to church." "All right, good luck. Call me when you're ready." Another six months, she calls. She practically, you know, can't even move. She's so debilitated.

• 1:44:24Speaker 03

  So, me and another exorcist went with me to her home. Since I already had met with her, I kind of knew she was, had a real problem. We brought a witness with us as well, a woman. It's always a woman, if it's a woman who needs help.

• 1:44:41Speaker 03

  And I do the prayers, and she's completely set free. And she stands up, and she's fully erect as a normal person. She's not hunched over anymore. Her countenance is back. Like, she looks like she's peaceful, happy, smiling. Her eyes are bright. Like, it's a different person. And I'm like, "How many years ago? We should have been done doing this, and you waited. But thank God, you finally did it." But it can be all-consuming.

• 1:45:12Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, it sounds like it. I mean, how do you determine? How do you determine if it's a possession or if it's a mental health issue?

• 1:45:22Speaker 03

  Well,

• 1:45:25Speaker 03

  the code of countenance is I have to have moral certitude. It's kind of a vague statement.

• 1:45:33Speaker 03

  So if they have supernatural strength, we know that's one. So if I see somebody, you know, if I see somebody throw a 300 pound man with one hand, I'm like, that's not her. If they have a deep-seated aversion to things that are holy, that's another telltale sign. There's three of them. That's two. The third one is if they have knowledge of things they could never know.

• 1:45:55Speaker 03

  So the most obvious cases that probably we've all seen, if you've been doing this long enough, is, you know, you can get a 20-year-old person who has a fairly low degree of education. You know, like they barely can read and write. And then suddenly they're, during their deliverance prayers, they start screaming at me in Latin. And I'm just like, hold on. Pretty sure this little kid here doesn't know Latin, or Greek, or any other ancient language. So those would be big signs. For me personally, so like, in my break room, the big water jugs, you know, like, I don't know how many gallons there are, 20, 30 gallon jugs. The water that I drink is holy water.

• 1:46:41Speaker 03

  So I make that holy water. It has the exorcism salt in it. So on the first time I meet an alleged victim, I bring them into the break room and I say, hi, you know, Todd outside, I'm gonna get up some water. Do you want some water? They almost always say yes, because people are basically polite. Even if they're afflicted and they go to drink the water. If they immediately have a reaction to that water, I know this is real, because the person had no idea that was holy water. Probably wouldn't even know what holy water is half the time, because they're usually not Catholic. I had a girl take one sip and she passed out and fell down on the floor completely. I said, okay, bingo, we got one.

• 1:47:21Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 1:47:21Speaker 03

  So you can do things like this. I also will also keep a pick in my pocket. It's a little gold.

• 1:47:29Speaker 03

  I don't know what you'd call it. It's a little case made out of gold. And we put the Blessed Sacra in there when we go to see the sick. And then when I'm ministering to that person, I open the pics and I give them Holy Communion. They receive it and we, that's what we carry around to bring communion to people. So if I'm interviewing somebody that says they're possessed and about halfway through the interview, I pull out the pics and I open it and they see the host. And then if they start raging, going crazy, I say, okay, you can relax because that's an unconsecrated host. That's a piece of bread. So I think it's more of a psychological issue you're having than demonic. Because the demon would know. That's just bread.

• 1:48:09Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting. Wow. How many is, I mean, in Hollywood, a lot of times we see the demon kind of proclaim who they are. Sometimes it's, it seems like there's multiple demons.

• 1:48:28Speaker 03

  Almost always.

• 1:48:30Shawn Ryan?

  Almost always?

• 1:48:30Speaker 03

  I've never had a case that was one demon. They're multiple and the higher up on the totem pole, the quieter they are. The lowest guy is always the one that does the talking until we can get to that top guy.

• 1:48:44Shawn Ryan?

  What is the most you've seen?

• 1:48:47Speaker 03

  In terms of, I don't know, dozens?

• 1:48:51Shawn Ryan?

  In one person? How do you, I mean, so how does it, how does it work? Is it, is it one is released one by one and the names keep coming?

• 1:49:04Speaker 03

  It's not a science like that, like they have to follow that protocol. Generally speaking, if the person possessed or has obsession or oppression really wants them out and they renounce whatever they did to let them in. So let's say they make something up.

• 1:49:26Speaker 03

  Played with a Ouija board and somehow these things went into them. And they were looking for supernatural communication with whatever. So they, you know, they were, it wasn't an accident. Then they have to say, you know, they were, they're sorry for that sin of idolatry, of seeking false gods. And they renounce that sin. And if they're Catholic, they can be absolved. And then they say, in Jesus' name, now I don't want nothing to do with these demons. Well, now they have nothing to hook into because her will is involved and God honors the will a lot. And they may not go immediately, but eventually they have to go and they know they do. And they generally leave from the lowest to the highest.

• 1:50:08Speaker 03

  And the little ones kind of just flutter away quickly until you're dealing with who's the kingpin here? And in the old Rite of Exodus, before Vatican II, the priest asks two questions of the demon. What is your name? Under penalty of Jesus Christ, tell me your name. And what is the date you've been assigned to leave this, this person? And they usually have to answer that unless there's something else going on we're not aware of, like, like the person who's the victim has opened other doors that they're not telling us that they're also hooked into. You know what I mean?

• 1:50:45Shawn Ryan?

  Like what kind of doors?

• 1:50:47Speaker 03

  So maybe they're also doing witchcraft and we don't know that. But they're actively practicing it and they're actively putting spells on people and they're actively, but they're not telling us that. Well, those demons know, we don't have to go because this person's still doing our thing. It's our thing. They're in our tent. So until you've, perfect example. Have you heard of satanic ritual abuse? SRAs?

• 1:51:14Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 1:51:16Speaker 03

  So just like parents can take the authority to baptize a child by the parent's authority, the baby gets baptized. So too, the devil mimics everything God does and so too can evil happen. Where a person or a grandpa, a grandfather can take a baby and offer it to the devil and then satanic ritual abuse of the child. Usually they have some kind of sexual act on the child.

• 1:51:43Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, man.

• 1:51:44Speaker 03

  And offer that child to, to the devil for power, that they would gain some power in some way, or wealth, or whatever. And oftentimes the parent doesn't even know. Although they figure it out pretty quickly because the child immediately starts having problems and night terrors and suicide thoughts and all these horrible things come in. We had a case of a woman from Rome who was part of a religious order, a well-known religious order. And they said, "We don't know what happened to her, but suddenly she is possessed and we need to send her for help." So she winds up with our group in Omaha. We had her for over a year where she's getting daily prayer, daily deliverance, daily intercessory

• 1:52:28Speaker 03

  prayer, praying over her. It took a year. And it was only when we found out, because part of the process is there's teams that lift her up every day and ask the Lord, "What should we be praying for here? What has to go?" And it kept coming back to a father figure in her life. So we finally called her family and said, "Look, there's something we don't know here. Did something happen to her as a baby?" And then the mother said there was a family member who did something evil to her, some kind of satanic blood ceremony and did consecrate her to the devil.

• 1:53:11Speaker 03

  And I'm like, I wasn't delete on the case, it was my superior. It's kind of like, why do you think hiding that from us is going to help your daughter? Like, why wouldn't you just come clean? It wasn't you. But they're so embarrassed and ashamed that they hid it. So once we understood what we were dealing with, we had to go back to take her back through her time as an infant and walk her through the process of when the evil is happening that God was still watching over her and looking for her day of deliverance that was coming now. And when she took that healing, when she embraced the healing and the love, then the thing left. But it took her over a year.

• 1:53:56Speaker 03

  But again, she had no, it was not her fault. She did nothing wrong herself. People here, they get a little angry, like, "Well, I don't think that's fair." It's not fair. Evil is not fair.

• 1:54:09Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm. Man.

• 1:54:16Shawn Ryan?

  When they proclaim their name, when the demon proclaims then their, its name, does that, does that ever mean anything to you?

• 1:54:24Speaker 03

  Oddly, the new rite doesn't have it in it. They don't want us talking, questioning the devil at all. But we can still use the old rite, so on occasion, I just did a big deliver exorcism up in Chicago of two, two years that's been going on in this case.

• 1:54:39Shawn Ryan?

  Two years?

• 1:54:40Speaker 03

  Two years. Yeah, she was a prostitute

• 1:54:45Speaker 03

  whose boyfriend, probably her pimp,

• 1:54:50Speaker 03

  was a Satanist, and he kept getting her pregnant, and then offering the babies to the devil through abortion, seven of them. You know, seven is kind of a funny number. Seven times. So, yeah. I mean, you just can't imagine the scenarios people get into. Oftentimes, not their own fault, she was down on her luck, she got into this business she shouldn't have. She meets this guy thinking he's gonna help her, and he's, the worst thing that ever happened to her.

• 1:55:17Shawn Ryan?

  So, I mean, back to the, the names of the demons, I mean, do they...

• 1:55:23Shawn Ryan?

  Other than Lucifer, I mean, are there, are there any, are there other demons that, that, that maybe

• 1:55:32Shawn Ryan?

  we should be aware of, or, or...

• 1:55:34Speaker 03

  The general population, I would say no. Like, again, don't be too curious, because you're just poking your head in stuff that...

• 1:55:42Speaker 03

  You don't need to know that for your own state of life.

• 1:55:46Speaker 03

  But some of these, a lot of them are Old Testament demons. Like, the Jews used to worship Moloch. Moloch shows up a lot when there's abortion. Because the Jews were offering their babies to this thing, they would heat this statue. It's a man's body with like a goat head with horns, bull head with horns. It has its arms out like this. And they'd heat it till it was red hot burning, like red. And then they'd place the baby on the molten burning arms, and the baby would sizzle to death. So, when God says to them, "Stop worshiping these false idols", he's talking about this sort of stuff. It's not just, you know, throwing a little incense before a false god. They're burning their babies to death. And they don't have to be.

• 1:56:31Speaker 03

  So God would get really angry at them. That demon, he's still alive and well. I think because abortion is still alive and well.

• 1:56:40Shawn Ryan?

  Wow. Let's um, let's take a quick break, Father, and then we'll pick right back up when we get back.

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• 1:58:23Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Father, we're back from the break. And, um, you know, before we, before we started the podcast, we, I was talking about the firearm that I gave you. And, and you had mentioned that that was your first firearm, and that it sounded like you were basically saying you're not overly concerned with your own safety, and that, um...

• 1:58:49Shawn Ryan?

  You were looking forward to the afterlife.

• 1:58:54Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:58:54Shawn Ryan?

  In short.

• 1:58:55Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:58:56Shawn Ryan?

  And so I just wanted to give you the room to kind of expound upon that.

• 1:59:02Speaker 03

  Okay, well, this is gonna be something different for a lot of people to hear because we live in a culture where at all costs, avoid pain and suffering, and at all costs, extend your life as far as you can extend it out. Okay, and I get that, I understand where that comes from, but I kind of, my own personal belief is that, and I would say the church would stand with this too, is that God knows the last day I'll be here and how I'm going, that's an interesting story too. I once asked him, "How am I gonna die?" And he answered me. But because I don't have a family or kids, I don't know if I want to actually have a gun, because I'd be afraid of using

• 1:59:46Speaker 03

  it and then killing somebody and then regretting that. But I do understand that this is a hostile culture, particularly against the church, and it's gonna get worse if more laws are put into play to discriminate against gender and all these other things that the church has never wavered on. So maybe I should, maybe I should have a gun, just at least for a warning signal, like, "There's a gun here, go away."

• 2:00:14Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I didn't mean, I didn't want to have a discussion on the gun, what I wanted to have a discussion on.

• 2:00:19Speaker 03

  The philosophy on this life. Okay, so that also, very unusual, because we have all these medicines and operations that can extend our life and put us longer and longer and longer down the road. But I know that heaven is far greater than this life. I know that my citizenship is there, not here. This is a pilgrimage. And I'm not really looking to extend the pilgrimage, so to speak. I mean, I'm going to take care of myself as best I can, which is not very good right now. I'm, as you can tell from my voice, split open head, high blood pressure. Not everything's firing well, but I'm getting better. You know, I'm at least getting things under control and back on track.

• 2:01:02Speaker 03

  I broke my foot about two months ago and that put me out of the gym for like two months, which that's enough to just kill you is to be awake. Cause going back is so painful, the first few weeks, but I have to do that. And other things, you know, I bought a cold plunge to try to shock my body every day into pain, cause pain is good. We don't experience enough of it. Like we're so conditioned on just be comfortable. Comfortable makes really fat lazy priests. You don't want your priest to be fat lazy. You want him to be strong and, and alert and agile to be able to do what he needs to do. So that said, yesterday was the feast of Saint Therese of Lusieux. She died at 24.

• 2:01:47Speaker 03

  She's probably one of the most famous saints in the church. You go in any churches, Jesus and Mary statue, and then Therese in most churches. And maybe Anthony is another one. She never left the convent. She was cloistered for the 10 years she was a nun. She never went on missions. She never did anything heroic. She never started a religious order. She didn't do anything heroic or big. What did she do? She practiced what she called the little way. She did small things with tremendous love and all offering them for Jesus. And she wrote down her daily experiences in her journal. And after she died, that journal got published into a book called The Story of a Soul. And now she's one of the most famous saints in the world. She's also a doctor of the church. There's only four who are women.

• 2:02:33Speaker 03

  She's one of them, and she's the patron saint of missionaries, because she always wanted to be missioned out to China. Of course, she never went. But in the providence of the church, she is named as the patron saint of missionaries, even though she never left the four walls of her cloister. So God accomplished what he had to do with her in 24 years. And before she died, she said the Lord made it clear to her that her real work would begin in heaven, where she would have a profound role in the church from heaven. And if you've ever prayed a novena to Saint Therese, on the ninth day of that novena, miraculously, almost always, a rose shows up, because she's called the little flower. And people get a rose in some way, shape, or form, or they smell roses in their home, and there's no rose in the home.

• 2:03:18Speaker 03

  Like, she's letting people know, "I'm still working hard for your salvation. Even though Jesus did the heavy lifting, we still have to choose every day. Are we going to choose God today? Or are we going to choose to go away from God today?" And I'm always telling people, in every decision we make in life, you have to have on the horizon, heaven is the goal. Because you could amass vast amounts of money, and power, and success in this life if you really put your nose to the ground and do the hard work. And you could come out, you know, $350 million at the end of life. But if you don't get to heaven, you're a loser, like a big loser, the biggest. There's no other... That's the only thing you have to get right. You can get everything else wrong,

• 2:04:03Speaker 03

  but if you get to heaven, you're a winner. And I think a lot of the problems come in when people become too rich and famous. You know, this is, Jesus said in the Scriptures about, "It's harder for a rich man to enter heaven than going through the camel through the eye of a needle." What does he mean by that? The problem I've experienced in my firsthand interaction with wealthy people is, not all, but many, most, I would say. You get to a point where you feel like, "I'm so in control, I don't need anybody else, including God. Like, I'm covering all my bases, I'm good." You kind of get deluded into thinking that you're the master of your own destiny, including heaven.

• 2:04:47Speaker 03

  That's a very dangerous place to be, because that's pride. And that's probably the one thing that'll block you from getting into heaven, is if you think you're gonna go toe-to-toe with Jesus on getting in. You died in life, you leave it all behind. Nothing goes with you. So, my big messages to people, and it's funny, because John Rich, the country music guy, he just did a very long episode with Tucker, where he talked about the Book of Revelation. And he wrote a song about it, to wake people up, because we're literally blind in these times to what's important. He says, "You don't know when the end of your life is gonna come, but you better be ready." And by ready, I mean prepared for heaven.

• 2:05:29Speaker 03

  So, when I see people in hospice, and they're dying, and they know they're dying, I can tell within 10 seconds if this person is prepared their life to meet Jesus, or if they squandered it away. Because they're either at radical peace and not fearing it, or they're terrified, and they don't know what to do. If I could impose one point of this whole interview today to the people listening is, to embrace death because you're gonna die. Maybe the first to let you know, you're going to die. I don't know if anybody's ever said that to you. You're gonna die. Some people go through life not knowing, or they deceive themselves, thinking, "I'm

• 2:06:14Speaker 03

  never gonna think about it, because if I can just put it off long enough, maybe I'll somehow skirt it in some way." I don't know what they're thinking. But the art of dying well is directly correlated to the art of living well. And when I say "living well," I mean putting God in the center of your life, acknowledging He is God and I'm not, trying to live a life worthy of the message Jesus left us with the Gospels. Loving God first, our neighbor second, putting our place third. And when people do that, that creates a lifestyle that's not focused on me. It's focused on God and others. And that's what creates holiness, and that's what creates virtue.

• 2:06:57Speaker 03

  And at the end of life, that creates a person that's ready to die and open to heaven and wanting heaven. And I even tell people, "Tell God you want to be a saint. Say it out loud, I want to be a saint." I think there's a power to the audible with regard to, particularly with scriptures. I'm talking about directly to God, not into the universe and the secret and all that nonsense. And then, you know, look at some people. We have the saints as models of people who've been victorious. That's why we don't adore the saints, we venerate them. We say, "Good job, well done, you did it, and now help us get there too." And when you think about people preparing for death. So there was a saint named Dominic Savio in Italy.

• 2:07:41Speaker 03

  He was about 12 years old, and he was being mentored by a priest named Don Bosco, who also became a saint. And Don was mentoring these young men on a life of virtue, because a lot of them had bad lives and they weren't practicing the good Christian way, you could say. So one day, he stopped and they were playing soccer, football, in Italy. And he said, "If Jesus appeared to you and said, 'You had one hour to live, what would you do with your life in that last hour?'" You know, some of the boys are like, "Oh, I'd probably have to run to confession, or I want to go to have mass quickly, or I pray my rosary. I have to go tell my parents I'm sorry for all the times I aggravated them."

• 2:08:23Speaker 03

  And he looks at Dominic and says, "What would you do?" He goes, "I'd play football." He goes, "You'd play football?" He's like, "Yeah, I've already been to mass, I've already prayed my rosary, I've forgiven everybody I need to forgive, I have no one to ask forgiveness of. I'm good, I'm playing football." Yeah, right? That kid knows, he knows the secret. Similarly, John Fisher is a bishop that was being held in the Tower of London for going against Henry VIII on him marrying, wanted to marry another wife, take another wife. And he gets woken up in the morning by a guard, and he says, "They're gonna execute you today around noon." And John Fisher says, "Okay, I'm really tired, can I go back to sleep?"

• 2:09:09Speaker 03

  Okay, so two saints that when faced with death decided one would go to sleep and the other would play football. Why? Because they're prepared and they're, they're, they're ready. They're done. I'm locked and loaded. Let's go. That's how we want to finish.

• 2:09:26Shawn Ryan?

  What would you do?

• 2:09:30Speaker 03

  Me being a kind of alpha and wanting to cover every base, I'd probably find the other priest that I live with and say, I need to go to confession and have the apostolic pardon. But I feel like I'm there most days anyway, you know? I go to confession at least once a month and it's not easy to do. Before I had this other priest come to live with me two weeks ago, I'd have to go searching a priest. But there's a lot of graces that come through the sacrament. Plus, there's something we have called plenary indulgences in the Catholic Church, where if I do certain things and I unite them to Jesus, such as going to Mass Receiving Communion in a state of grace, going to confession every 10 days. And then if I pray a rosary in the church,

• 2:10:15Speaker 03

  I can ask for one soul to be busted out of purgatory every day. Or I can ask for myself to have my purgatory removed. And my theory on this is if I'm busting all these other guys out, God's going to be more lenient to me at the end of my life. So every day I offer those prayers up for one soul to be moved into heaven. And I'm pretty sure that somebody who at my, at the help of my prayers, got into heaven is going to start praying for me the rest of my life. And so I'm hoping when that day comes, I'm going to look at this big army of saints that are like, hey, welcome. Good job. We've been praying for you. We've been waiting for this day. And that's going to be like an exciting day, a fun day, a good day. That's a day I'm waiting for.

• 2:11:00Speaker 03

  So I have a different view of death than most.

• 2:11:04Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you for sharing that. Thank you for sharing that. We kind of talked about, you know, we're in the midst of some dark times and, and I forget who you mentioned. It, it said this is the most evil generation of all.

• 2:11:19Speaker 03

  Our Lady of Maggiore.

• 2:11:24Speaker 03

  Which was just given the highest approval by the Vatican. That that apparition is valid.

• 2:11:30Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:11:31Speaker 03

  Like two weeks ago.

• 2:11:33Shawn Ryan?

  Wow, he's, wow. But what does that, what does that mean to you? Are we? Are we?

• 2:11:45Shawn Ryan?

  Are we in end times? I mean.

• 2:11:47Speaker 03

  I think we're in the end of this age of disobedience. I don't think it's the end of the world. Because I'm pretty sure in Revelation, it talks about a thousand year peace. And I think we would have noticed that if that happened. I'm pretty sure it didn't happen. And these theologians say, oh, it's metaphorical. It's, they don't look for a thousand year peace. Well, you know what? Were you there when he created everything? No, so like, it could be true. Maybe there will be an actual thousand years of real peace. Peace that only can come down from heaven. Uh, but in the process, we're, we're living in a very, like you said, it's dark. Uh, a lot of the rulers of this world have an allegiance to Satan. And, uh,

• 2:12:29Speaker 03

  you know, th- there's a propensity for destruction, right? And I'm not going to go into all the wars happening, but it's ironic to me. You know, whenever you look at the Old Testament and the Israelites were being persecuted unjustly. If they didn't create the problem themselves and they were just being, you know, the country comes in to try to take them over. They're always vindicated by the Lord. Always. He crushes the enemy and sets them free and they're fine. Now, when they stray, he sometimes used armies to conquer them to teach them a lesson. But then over time, they would repent and then they would be put back into their proper place. So when I see countries trying to annihilate Israel for no good reason, I'm like, do you know who you're messing with?

• 2:13:14Speaker 03

  God's not going to just sit back. If you're literally stirring a pot trying to exterminate the Jewish people, that he founded.

• 2:13:24Speaker 03

  You better be careful. And we better be on the right side of that as Americans. Because I feel like we are telling Israel to pump your brakes and telling Iran, you're fine. You know, we're going to give you a couple of hundred billion dollars, by the way. What are we doing?

• 2:13:39Shawn Ryan?

  Doesn't it, doesn't it say that in the end times that all the nations will turn against Israel?

• 2:13:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:13:47Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think that's happening right now?

• 2:13:50Speaker 03

  No, because all the nations have not turned against Israel yet. I mean, I feel like we still, at least verbally, support Israel. But no, I think it'll be more dramatic than that. And I don't think, I don't think we're going to live in those times now. But it's only my opinion. And it's, it's not even a really good one. Like, it's just my opinion, so don't take that to the bank. Uh, but, you know, where great, where sin abounds, grace is super abounds. So the darker the days, the more God's going to put His hand in to help us. And that's really good news. Because if you want to be a saint and you're living in times of peace, it's a lot harder and longer to become that saint. If you're in the darkest of days, you just put your hand up and say, Lord, I want to be a saint.

• 2:14:34Speaker 03

  And there's a funnel in heaven that's going to come over you and go whoosh. And they're going to advance you in holiness very quickly because of the days we live in. And that might be the quickening that you're feeling in like this transformation that's happening in your life. Or in my own, I'm seeing things I never used to see on a regular basis of when God is working these miracles and doing things that I'm just like, I just step back amazed. I'm like, wow, I didn't see that coming. And, and, and the more you see the exorcisms go up in number, means the enemy is getting more riled up.

• 2:15:07Shawn Ryan?

  The more you see the what go up in?

• 2:15:08Speaker 03

  Exorcisms.

• 2:15:09Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:15:10Speaker 03

  They're increasing. Ever since COVID, they've been multiplying.

• 2:15:13Shawn Ryan?

  Really?

• 2:15:14Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Well, take away the sacraments, close the churches and tell people to sit home idle all day doing bad things. What are you going to get? That was a big mistake. And the cases take longer to get the demons out. So we used to have, a lot of them would be one and dones. It's, you know, one session, they're, they're gone. Now it's two, three, four, five times, which I have to, you know, put on a calendar, weigh out several weeks between them, because I have other things I do. And then the new cases come in and they're piling up. So it's, it's not a good situation. In Italy, they have pop-up exorcism booths.

• 2:15:50Shawn Ryan?

  Are you serious?

• 2:15:51Speaker 03

  Dead serious.

• 2:15:52Shawn Ryan?

  Pop-up exorcism booths?

• 2:15:54Speaker 03

  Explosion of demonic.

• 2:15:58Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, is there, I recently read the Book of Romans and, you know, it's really hard, I'm not gonna lie, it's really hard for me to understand what I'm reading. But.

• 2:16:12Speaker 03

  Paul's not a big fan of punctuation.

• 2:16:15Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, but it sounded very similar to kind of what we're living into today.

• 2:16:24Shawn Ryan?

  Sexuality running rampant, gender confusion.

• 2:16:31Shawn Ryan?

  There were a lot of things in there that, when I read that, I was like, holy shit, we're talking about modern day here.

• 2:16:40Shawn Ryan?

  Are these,

• 2:16:43Shawn Ryan?

  are these all signs that

• 2:16:47Shawn Ryan?

  something's coming?

• 2:16:52Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, there's a lot of signs that the Lord said we could look to. If you go to Revelation, or the Book of Daniel, or even chapters in Matthew, he talks about these end days, but I'm not sure it's all the end of time. But this, I feel like we're in, so let me, this is again, my own personal opinion. We had 2,000 years of, before Jesus came, of God tapping the Israelites and making them his people. And that was really, when we read through those scriptures, it's really God the Father who's speaking to them. And then Jesus comes and we've had 2,000 years of focus on Jesus. Rightly so. But we haven't had a, had a period that's focused on the Holy Spirit, who is an equal member of the Trinity.

• 2:17:35Speaker 03

  And I feel like this age of the Holy Spirit is coming. When God's going to crush the evil forces that are.

• 2:17:45Speaker 03

  Really derailing mankind in whatever way he wants. He's God, he can do whatever he wants. And then bring forth his spirit on the planet in a way that would have everybody drawn into this great giant shalom of heaven, this great time of peace and flourishing in God's word. Imagine that, I mean, that'd be like heaven on earth. And that's, I think, that thousand years they talk about in the book of Revelation. And that would be amazing because we'd never seen that. I mean, there's pockets of that around the planet, like this place in Majegori. It's so grace-filled there that you can't help but feel joy and peace. And it's out of body experience. Why, I'd go, why does this happen over here?

• 2:18:30Speaker 03

  Well, first of all, everybody there is practicing Catholic and practice their faith deeply. Everybody going there is seeking to go deeper in their Catholic faith. And even the people that work in the shops, they're all participating. So they all go to mass every day. They all pray in the rosary every day. And there's really no discontent there against the practice of that religion. So it's just an open pipeline of grace flooding this village. And you feel it when you walk in. You can't say that about Rome, can't say that about Lourdes, Fatima, Guadalupe. No, because they're all in cities now that are partially Catholic, partially pagan. And even the Catholics, sorry, all practicing their faith. And so it limits the grace that goes into those places.

• 2:19:15Speaker 03

  You know, You should go there. You had something happen there, correct? Oh, yes, that was, I was, when I was away from the faith all those years, I went over there because a friend invited me. And when I got there, I realized it's one of these holy places. I really don't want to stay. But I stayed enough to go to bed that night because I was tired. And when I woke up in the morning, I had this overwhelming peace that I've never experienced prior and only experienced really when I'm back there. And that's when I went looking for the priest to go to confession because I knew, I said, I'm going to stay the whole week because it's amazing to be here. Like, I don't think you feel like this anywhere in the world. And it's natural, or supernatural, but it's not a drug.

• 2:19:59Speaker 03

  It's real. It's like coming from heaven. So the funny thing is, I knew the confession was gonna be pretty deep and dark. So I went looking for a priest before the mass that was gonna be kinda lenient and not judgy. And so I find this priest outside the church. And I call him Hollywood priest, cuz he was like, good-looking guy, strong, handsome, tan. And he's telling jokes to like, these ten women. And they're all laughing as jokes, and he's smoking his cigarette. And like, that's the guy. He will not be harsh on me. And so, I went to confession to him. And you heard the whole story. He absolved me, and then he said, "I think you're gonna be a priest." And I said, "I don't know about that, but anyway." Well, lo and behold.

• 2:20:43Speaker 03

  Fast forward nineteen years later, I go back to Majegori with a group. And we did an excursion outside of the village that day, about twenty kilometers away to another parish. That has a famous statue of Our Lady that we wanted to see, so we went down there. And when we pull up in the bus, um, the tour guide says, "Wait a minute here, the pastor wants to come out and greet you all." So we get out and we wait, and out comes this priest, and it's him. It's the priest I went to confession to, and I remember him, because this was a life-changing moment for me. I'll never forget him, and his face. But when he sees me, he looks up and he goes, "Oh, you became a priest." And I go, "What?" I go, "You remember me?" And he goes, "Yes, I've been praying for you every day."

• 2:21:26Shawn Ryan?

  Are you serious?

• 2:21:27Speaker 03

  Nineteen years later.

• 2:21:29Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:21:30Speaker 03

  And we went and had coffee, and he stopped smoking, had a heart attack. And, you know, we both aged quite a bit in twenty years, but like, only God can wrap those things up like that and let you know, like, not just for me, but for him, that he would know, that his prayers paid off.

• 2:21:46Shawn Ryan?

  Very, very, wow, that's...

• 2:21:50Speaker 03

  It's like profound, right?

• 2:21:52Shawn Ryan?

  Very profound, very profound. I'd like to, I have like, a lot of questions I wanna ask, and they are very random.

• 2:22:03Speaker 03

  Go ahead.

• 2:22:03Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, so I'd like to talk about Easter and Christmas.

• 2:22:10Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:22:11Shawn Ryan?

  And if those are the actual days, and...

• 2:22:17Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know where I'm going with this. I tried to talk to Meghan about this. I was hoping that she had maybe a little more insight, but from my understanding, the resurrection didn't actually happen on the day we celebrate Easter.

• 2:22:29Speaker 03

  Well, that day changes every year.

• 2:22:32Shawn Ryan?

  And that the Easter bunnies represent some type of sexuality. Is there any, is there any, is there any truth to this?

• 2:22:43Speaker 03

  Okay, so Christmas is on a set date, the 25th of December. Is that the actual date? Not sure. Easter rotates based on the fullness, the full moon of the month. So that changes every year. So clearly, it can't always be that day because the day is always different. But that's kind of not the important part. But what you say about the bunnies and all that, many times, the Catholic holidays would come into existence and would be not just celebrating what they mean, which is the birth of Christ, but would also replace a pagan practice that was common for the pagans of that generation. So in the case

• 2:23:27Speaker 03

  of Easter, that was a time of springtime, and they had many celebrations to the gods of fertility, to make sure that the animals were fertile and had lots of babies to make their farms grow and things like that. So yes, there was probably some, in some way, that was meant to abolish the old thinking of the pagan ways and bring forth the new teaching. But it, the first and foremost is it was established for the purpose it was.

• 2:23:54Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:23:55Speaker 03

  This is the resurrection of Jesus. It is new life, but this is the real new life, not the new life of your chickens and your goats.

• 2:24:02Shawn Ryan?

  Okay. Makes sense. Makes sense. What about, there's a lot of talk about UFOs in the news today.

• 2:24:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:24:12Shawn Ryan?

  And there seems to be two camps, maybe three camps. There's the camp where people think it's, you know, military industrial complex type companies that are, have some type of technology that nobody else has access to. There's the camp that thinks that they're actually extraterrestrials. And then there is a camp that's probably growing faster than any of the other ones, which... People believe these are some type of spiritual, maybe demonic, type of entity. And I've talked to, I've talked to a lot of people about this stuff. Ezekiel gets brought up a lot of times.

• 2:24:55Shawn Ryan?

  What, what do you, what is, what do you think is going on with this UFO-type stuff? Is it demonic?

• 2:25:02Speaker 03

  I do think that there are countries with advanced military projects that probably could replicate things in the sky that we don't understand. That's for sure. I mean, we know Russia has missiles that we are not caught up on. Hypersonic stuff that, you know, can get, I think it's 20,000 miles an hour or something. That's gonna look different in the sky than a plane. But with regard to extraterrestrial beings, so creatures that have an intelligence and a will. There's not a big argument for that in the Bible. When God created everything, everything means everything.

• 2:25:46Speaker 03

  So to have a creature that has an intellect and a will would put them on the level of man because we're the only ones who have an intellect and a will that are created. What do I mean by that? So we have an intelligence that can make deductions and come to conclusions that no other species can do. Dogs can learn something by habit, but they're not deducing, "Well, if I move the dog bowl three feet to the left in the morning, maybe they'll put more food in it." They're not thinking like that. They're just going by habit. But if there's a created being out there that is not talked about in the scriptures, that would be bizarre that God would leave that out for what, who knows what reason. And in the catechism of the Catholic Church, it makes a clear and definitive statement

• 2:26:31Speaker 03

  that only man is a creature that was endowed with this ability to know God and choose Him of the created order. The angels would be in the same boat, but they don't have material bodies. So once you say that, it rules out all other life forms that would have an intelligence. Sure, there can be bacteria on the moon or something that can grow, but it's not thinking about growing, nor is it trying to take over the moon. So there's a difference there. That's my opinion.

• 2:27:03Speaker 03

  But they can inhabit life forms and look like creatures.

• 2:27:08Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think some of these orbs are some type of spiritual entity?

• 2:27:14Speaker 03

  Could be. I mean, think about this. What would be the greatest hoax in the history of the world? And we've been building it up for sixty, seventy years with the Star Wars.

• 2:27:24Shawn Ryan?

  False flag alien invasion.

• 2:27:26Speaker 03

  Star Trek, all this stuff. And then finally, one day, the president gets on TV and says, "We're about to come clean. There is another life form that we have to introduce you to. Here it is." And they can speak English and communicate, and they look weird. And they have higher intelligence. Of course, they will. They're demonic. And they say, "We've come from another galaxy to let you know that you're getting off course, and you need to make some adjustments if you want your world to survive. And here's your big problem. Like, we're going to give you some technology to show you that you can have clean energy with all the bells and whistles, you know? Oh, great, let's have that. And then they drop this in. And by the way,

• 2:28:08Speaker 03

  there's many other ways to God, not just in the religions that you know. And that's the big sinker, where it gets everybody off. They're all untethered from God now. You don't have to do this. Just be kind to one another. You don't have to worship God. That's created more wars in your world than than all the good works you could possibly do. Stop doing that. Well, the higher life form just told us we shouldn't do it. And they're clearly ahead of us, so we better listen to them. Like, people would go for it, hook, line, and sinker. Because they're not tethered to the one true God. They're not getting their face in the Bible every day, studying the scriptures and learning what he really said, and what is the only way to eternal life. Jesus said, "I am the way, not a way."

• 2:28:53Speaker 03

  So, once you call God a liar, then I can't, I can't relate to you anymore. We're not going to have a discussion.

• 2:29:00Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think any of these entities could be for good?

• 2:29:05Speaker 03

  If they're demonic, no. They only have one goal, and that's they want to... They can't hurt God anymore. They could hurt Jesus in the person when he walked the planet, but he's untouchable now. So the only way they get back at us, or back at God, is by hurting his children. That's their only mission. You know, in the 12th book of Revelation, it says, "The devil went off to make war against the woman and her offspring, those who follow the laws of God and bear testimony to Jesus Christ." That's a very small population of the planet. Even among Christians, you know, as we've discussed, not everybody's following God's will, and not everybody's giving a testimony to Jesus.

• 2:29:51Shawn Ryan?

  I guess what I'm also referring to is it's... I'm sorry, I did not understand the Ezekiel passages. And so I'm kind of asking you, it sounded like that... I'll just let you go into it. You would know more about that than...

• 2:30:13Speaker 03

  But what is the passage? I don't know what you're talking about.

• 2:30:15Shawn Ryan?

  Well, apparently, there is a... I don't know it, but there is a part in Ezekiel where it sounds like some type of a UFO encounter, but it makes it sound like it's actually an angel.

• 2:30:36Speaker 03

  I don't know what that is. It's not the dry bones, is it? He says prophesy over these bones, and they start growing sinew and muscle, and then the flesh comes, then he says...

• 2:30:46Shawn Ryan?

  No, that's not it. That's not it. I wish I had it.

• 2:30:50Speaker 03

  Well, okay, those creatures have six wings, and they move only backward and forward, and they don't spin or turn their head. And they have human faces, but then other... The eagle is one side of their head. The lion is one side of the... So they definitely don't look like orbs.

• 2:31:09Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:31:10Speaker 03

  And it says that when they move, the sound of them is like rushing water. It's so loud. So it's a very definitive description that you can't just carve out, "Well, we don't really hear any noise, but it still could be them." Or maybe it's just a light bulb. No, these things had all sorts of things going on that were very unique. If you see them, then you can start thinking, maybe Jesus is coming back.

• 2:31:37Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:31:38Speaker 03

  But that'll look a lot different than an orb.

• 2:31:41Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, well, speaking of Jesus, where, where was he in the adolescent years? Where he's not in the Bible. He's, there's like a period of time where he disappeared.

• 2:31:55Speaker 03

  He's in Nazareth. That's where he was raised.

• 2:31:58Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:31:59Speaker 03

  And yeah, we only know when he was 12, they lost him when they went up to the temple to worship. And they took him in a caravan. And it wasn't until like two days later, they realized, Mary thought he was with the men and Joseph thought he was with the women and he was neither. But that's the only childhood scripture we have for him.

• 2:32:18Shawn Ryan?

  Interesting.

• 2:32:24Shawn Ryan?

  Why do you think that is?

• 2:32:27Speaker 03

  Well, the scriptures are, are given to us for the purpose of giving us a clear enlightenment on the way to heaven. And I would say probably a lot of his childhood years, although probably interesting, don't have to do with the actual saving event of his passion, death and resurrection. I think they would be very interesting to know, but not definitive for our salvation. Whereas his, his adult years are very definitive.

• 2:32:55Shawn Ryan?

  Okay.

• 2:32:56Speaker 03

  And this is a funny thing, you know, like you're a guy, I'm a guy. When we get, when we buy something that's a little bit complex, like even some of the new cars today, it's like you sit in them and I'm like, oh my, like I don't know what to hit first. What, where's the on button? There's an owner's manual. You go to the owner's manual when you don't know what you're doing, right?

• 2:33:15Shawn Ryan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:33:15Speaker 03

  You should anyway. I know we buy, you know, dresses and things from.

• 2:33:22Speaker 03

  The Scandinavian, what is it called?

• 2:33:24Shawn Ryan?

  Ikea.

• 2:33:25Speaker 03

  Ikea, and we sit there and go, "I can do this without the instructions." And then, two hours later, I'm like, "I have six extra parts here. What am I doing wrong?" So you need to go to the owner's manual, right? And the Bible is the owner's manual for mankind, to know how we're supposed to live and behave and work. Like, if you're passing a guy on the highway who's got a broken-down car, and he's got the engine open, and he's looking at the engine, and he has... He's got the oil cap open. He's got a jar of oil in this hand, and he's got a jar of honey in this hand, and he doesn't know which one, and you're like, "Hey buddy, let me help you. I know a little bit about cars." "No, no, I know what I'm doing. Leave me alone." I go, "You should at least check the owner's manual. It's gonna say, 'Put the oil in the oil container.'"

• 2:34:09Speaker 03

  And he's like, "No, I'm good," and he dumps the honey in. And he goes to start the car, and it's like, "Brrr, dead." Yeah, you didn't listen, and you did it your way, and you didn't check the owner's manual, and now, by the way, you're a pedestrian for life. Good luck. But we do that with religion. Like, we know better. We're just gonna do it our way. And I wish people would go back to the scriptures, and then even better, if you can get somebody to kinda break them open for you. There's a lot of great theologians out there who can do that. Go through, you know, Mike Schmitz is doing the one year through the Bible. He gives a little direction. It's enough. Like, it would give us a better understanding of not just who God is, but when we understand who Jesus is, we know who we are.

• 2:34:51Speaker 03

  And if you don't know who you are, the world is gonna redefine you the way they wanna see you. And you're gonna buy it, and they're gonna get lost. You gotta know who you are first.

• 2:35:02Shawn Ryan?

  Do you feel like... Do you think there's a possibility that any of the scriptures have been held from the Bible? Or have been pulled through thousands of years? That we're unaware of?

• 2:35:15Speaker 03

  No. Well, it depends what Bible you have. Do you have a Catholic Bible?

• 2:35:22Shawn Ryan?

  I have a lot of Bibles. I have a Catholic.

• 2:35:24Speaker 03

  The Catholic Bible has seven books in it that the Protestant Bible doesn't have. Do you know Maccabees?

• 2:35:29Shawn Ryan?

  No.

• 2:35:29Speaker 03

  Oh, Maccabees, man, will be your book.

• 2:35:33Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 2:35:34Speaker 03

  Oh, man, these are warriors.

• 2:35:36Shawn Ryan?

  I'll check it out.

• 2:35:36Speaker 03

  Warriors. And they will fight to the death for their faith and their country.

• 2:35:42Shawn Ryan?

  There are a lot of people that think that, um...

• 2:35:47Shawn Ryan?

  The Bible will become solely digital and that

• 2:35:52Speaker 03

  Terrible problem.

• 2:35:53Shawn Ryan?

  And that things will begin to be pulled out of that.

• 2:35:56Speaker 03

  Manipulated.

• 2:35:57Shawn Ryan?

  So I know people that are that are stocking warehouses full of Bibles in preparation.

• 2:36:03Speaker 03

  I say it on my radio show at least once a month. Go get yourself a paper Bible printed by a reputable company and also a catechism of the church. Because you don't know what you're looking at when you pull up something on the computer. Is that really what it says? Or is it something that sounds a little bit different than that? Or is it gone completely? Those days are coming. Are you kidding with AI?

• 2:36:23Shawn Ryan?

  Is evil, Satan, are they working through technology?

• 2:36:27Speaker 03

  Hundred percent.

• 2:36:28Shawn Ryan?

  How so?

• 2:36:31Speaker 03

  Since the dawn of technology, they've been working through technology. I mean, they manipulate everything. When I'm trying to print out a homily, the computer will suddenly jam up. It happens all the time. Anything that's going to expand God's kingdom, the computer just stops printing. And I have to say, in the name of Jesus Christ, I bind all spirits of blockage and games off this computer and this printer and send you to the foot of the cross and never to return here again. And then, prints out. Things break in the home all the time. The lights will go out for no reason. And I spend a lot of the day just casting stuff out and things get back up. There's a Monsignor I know in DC who's an excellent exorcist. He does it full time.

• 2:37:14Speaker 03

  They text him. The demons text him.

• 2:37:18Shawn Ryan?

  What do they text him?

• 2:37:20Speaker 03

  They send blasphemies. They say horrible things about Jesus and Mary. They talk about some of his cases, like this victim is never gonna, they're ours forever. You can't have them. And they'll try to call that number on the phone and it's a non-working number.

• 2:37:39Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:37:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, they do this. So imagine if they're doing that, imagine the field day they could have with AI. We already don't know what's generating it.

• 2:37:49Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:37:54Shawn Ryan?

  Scares the hell out of me, to be honest with you, what that could develop into.

• 2:37:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, if, if, if these computers are actually learning, if they're learning and they're gonna bypass humans, that doesn't pose well if they're being manipulated by a side that hates humanity. That's not good. You know, go back to that old movie, War Games, like, that's gotta be like forty years old by now. But back in the day, you know, that this kid could be playing a little computer game and suddenly he's tapped into like the nuclear codes and through a mistake is gonna start a world war by accident? Well, that's, you know, that's, it's a nice story with, you know, a precocious kid.

• 2:38:39Speaker 03

  But now imagine that these computer intelligence can go into anything, including the military, you know, or another country that we don't trust. They send one missile, we're gonna assume it's, it's, it's for our harm and we're gonna have to defend ourselves. Yeah, it is dangerous.

• 2:39:00Shawn Ryan?

  What about social media?

• 2:39:04Speaker 03

  I don't like it, um, for very specific reasons. So Instagram is basically peddling envy.

• 2:39:18Speaker 03

  Twitter's peddling anger and Facebook's basically just selling you. And for all those reasons, I don't like it. And particularly for the children. I worry so much for the teenagers and the up and coming teenagers because if that's where you're gonna get most of your information, it's mostly gonna be false. And it's gonna create, like, again, if you don't know who you are and most teenagers don't know who they are yet, the world's gonna redefine you and it's gonna tell you you're something you're not and that you're not worthy, you're not good enough, you're not pretty enough, you're not smart enough, you're not wealthy enough. Or when I was a kid, um, we watched shows like The Brady Bunch and I Love Lucy. And although they weren't, you know, exactly our lives, they were pretty close, like, they lived in modest,

• 2:40:02Speaker 03

  The Brady Bunch house was supposed to be amazing in the day. It's really not that amazing. I Love Lucy, they had two bedrooms. And they slept in separate beds because that's the day. Uh, but it wasn't like there was envy over their lifestyles. Like, we could relate to them. Like, we get it. Today, when the kids are watching TV, it's all these mega millionaires in their big mansions with their private boats and their yachts and their airplanes. And they turn off the program and they think, "My life is terrible. I'm, I don't have anything." And it's really not true, you know? Because almost 2 billion people on the planet don't live in a home. They sleep outside and they have to sc- scavenge for food and they don't have running water. Like, compare yourself to them and we are living like kings.

• 2:40:47Shawn Ryan?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 2:40:49Speaker 03

  But there's been a whole culture of ingratitude by envy that's created through social media and Hollywood.

• 2:40:59Shawn Ryan?

  That's very true, you know? Um, Dom Razzo, the same guy that gave me the, that rosary, told me that he thought that the iPhone was the forbidden fruit. And then if you look at the-

• 2:41:15Speaker 03

  The logo is very interesting. It is.

• 2:41:17Shawn Ryan?

  That's what he said.

• 2:41:18Speaker 03

  Accidental? I don't think so.

• 2:41:20Shawn Ryan?

  Is there a lot of, do you see a lot of symbolism in the world today? Like, what we're talking about?

• 2:41:29Speaker 03

  Well, there was a period of time, up until maybe 10 or 15 years ago, that the devil really tried to remain hidden. And his biggest deception was to convince people he didn't exist. And that went on for a long time, where people were just like, "Oh, that's, that's just not real. That's fake." You know, even the, uh, the head of the Jesuit order right now, the current head, you know, it was just a couple of years ago, he came out and said, "The devil's not a real person. It's just an, uh, it's an idea. It's not real." "I'm sorry, Jesus didn't go into the desert and do battle with an idea." "I think he was face to face with a man or a person."

• 2:42:09Speaker 03

  So, even in, you know, these, the highest levels of religious life in the world, who also, from their community, we have a pope. And apparently that guy didn't believe the devil was a real person. So, it's an odd time. Um, where are we going with this?

• 2:42:28Speaker 03

  Symbolism. Oh, the symbolism, okay, so, but in the last fifteen years, it is all out, "I'm alive and well and with you, and I'm proud to be Satan, worship me." Right? We see it at the half bowl, uh, Super Bowl halftime performances, all these, uh, award shows. I mean, it's everywhere, and it's so blatant, and the concerts, the concerts. What are some of the specific symbols you're seeing? Pentagrams. Uh, upside down crucifixes. The, the, the Ouija board is everywhere.

• 2:43:09Speaker 03

  I was just in a city, uh, the suburb of Pittsburgh. They go, "You know, just down the road is the largest Ouija board in the world. It's the whole roof of a hotel." And I'm like, "I don't need to see that." But it's growing in popularity, people are getting, and we're coming up on the worst season of the year. So Halloween is the devil's holy day. That's his day. People get angry with me, they say, "Father, it's just kids putting on costumes, trick or treating." Nah, not really, because you're really participating in his day. And why would you want to participate in anything that's giving glory to, to the devil? I had a couple of families in the last parish leave the school, withdrew from the school because we didn't have Halloween in the school.

• 2:43:54Speaker 03

  And I'm like, "This is your, this is your hill you're gonna die on, is Halloween?" Like, you're not gonna do well in what's coming in the future, if this is your big thing. They left. Um, in New York City, where I'm from, there was an exorcist there when I was on Wall Street. After my conversion, I met with him, his name was Father James Labarre, God rest his soul, pioneer exorcist of our day. And he told me that, um, Halloween's the most dangerous season of the year for the homeless. And I'm like, "Well, why is that? Are they eating bad candy? What's going on here?" He's like, "No, no, no, they have these vans that come around, and they tell the homeless they're gonna take them to a shelter.

• 2:44:37Speaker 03

  They've got whole big meals set up for them and showers, and they can wash their clothes and all this. And they, a lot of them get in the vans and go. And then they tie them up and they hold them for the thirty-first. And then they sacrifice them on the evening of Halloween to the devil."

• 2:44:54Speaker 03

  And it's like a perfect crime because nobody's looking for them.

• 2:44:58Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:44:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:45:00Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:45:02Speaker 03

  I mean, it's a big deal. It's a real thing. There's a video, there is a video on YouTube, which I'm shocked it hasn't been pulled down because it's a guy about 20 years old who was raised in an occult family. And he was groomed to become the, the chief witch that was going to execute a, a girl on Halloween and offer her to the devil. And he went through with it and he talks about it face to face with the interviewer who's from some Christian network. And he says, you know, uh, it's all part of the ceremony is this is to get more power. We have to offer them a human life. And so it's usually a young woman.

• 2:45:40Shawn Ryan?

  What kind of power do they get?

• 2:45:43Speaker 03

  More demonic power. So they can have more influence, so they can have more wealth, they can have more success. But it's only fleeting. It's not forever. And then of course, at the end of life, there's a big problem. Getting out of it.

• 2:45:55Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:45:59Shawn Ryan?

  Wow.

• 2:46:01Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, would you say your friend was a pioneer? Exorcist. What does that, what does that mean? How was he a pioneer?

• 2:46:10Speaker 03

  Because for a while, the church just stopped it. There was really no exorcism happening. I remember when I first came back to the church, my friend, Father Benedict Richel, he told me, um, I had said to him one day, I said, you know, there was something crazy happening in the church. I can't remember what it was, but it wasn't off the charts, but it was something stupid. And I go, why is this stuff keep happening? You know? Why is it so messed up? The church seems to be a complete mess a lot of the time. And he says, I'll tell you why. He says, because in America, we have 2,500 canon lawyers and 11 exorcists. That number should be reversed. No disrespect to the canon lawyers who are watching. We need you. We love you. But he makes a point.

• 2:46:55Speaker 03

  You know, if evil's having its day, we need to be more offensive in fighting it.

• 2:47:02Shawn Ryan?

  I think my last question is, you know, at the beginning of this, you had mentioned that demons...

• 2:47:12Shawn Ryan?

  You had mentioned some type of a reference where you said demons are very much like lawyers or attorneys. And I've heard similar things before. Could you expound on that a little bit and explain why that is?

• 2:47:27Speaker 03

  Because when God set up the world and creation and the universe, including the spiritual aspects, there's a divine providence that governs everything. And in as much as we can understand it, and they understand it more because they're smarter than we are. Basically, when we live our lives loving and obeying God and His laws, basically, we're protected from the supernatural power of the enemy. The natural power is temptation. We're all subject to that through the original sin and through concupiscence that we're all saddled with. But from the supernatural works of the enemy, usually, we're protected.

• 2:48:10Speaker 03

  Now, in very rare cases, like Padre Pio and Saint John Vianney and Saint Anthony in the Desert, when they can't get their soul, they can just physically attack them. And so many of these saints were beaten during the night. And you would say, "Well, why does God allow that?" Well, He allows it to bring forth the greater good. What would the greater good be? Those saints knew what was happening, and they would be offering that to Jesus and uniting to His cross to convert their sufferings into grace to save more souls. And so in every attack the enemy throws at us, we have the power to overcome Him by uniting to Jesus' cross and converting our trials into grace to rescue more souls back from the enemy. The problem is, most people don't do this.

• 2:48:52Speaker 03

  And the enemy winds up winning that battle because they don't fight back. In some cases, they use the enemy's tactics to get revenge. But that's a side story. So...

• 2:49:06Speaker 03

  Again, we were talking about... Legalities. The legal aspects, okay. I'm getting a little bit brain fog. It's been a few hours.

• 2:49:16Speaker 03

  So, they know they can't, they don't have domain over us because we have free will. We have to choose to go against God to open up a door that they can come in. And that's what they do. They, and they're very patient. They're patient, legalistic spirits. And they just wait and they wait. So they throw in a little mild temptation to open a little bit of crack. And then, once they get in there, they throw another temptation to open it wider. And all of a sudden, they have, you know, some guy in a rabbit hole and pornography for three hours, going down this rabbit hole, and then eventually going out and, and acquiring a hooker for, you know, gratuitous sex. And now, they own him. Till he gets free, they own him.

• 2:49:58Speaker 03

  And they know their legal limits. The minute he repents and asks for God's absolution and mercy, they kind of have to go. And they know that too. So they kind of, kind of keep you away from getting back to God. And they'll put roadblocks in your path, and they'll make excuses, and they'll feed you all these lies to get you convinced it's not worth it, just stay where you are. But they work the system, and they know how to do it. I mean, these things have been around since creation, watching humans. And I know we all like to think we're special and unique, but we're really not. And they've been watching us for thousands and thousands of years, and they know how the human person works. And you gotta, unless, unless you're under God's protection and, and He's

• 2:50:41Speaker 03

  watching out for you, you're never gonna, you're never gonna beat Him. Because they're a lot stronger than us. But on the flip side, you plus Jesus always equals victory.

• 2:50:53Speaker 03

  If you want to put it in simple terms, that, that's it. You plus Jesus will always equal victory, and you never have to be afraid. Thank you for saying that.

• 2:51:02Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you know, I want to, uh, it's been a long interview. I do want to, I did want to wrap this up. I, I have a lot more questions, but, but, uh, I'll keep them at bay for now.

• 2:51:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we can have a cup of coffee if you want to talk about other stuff another time.

• 2:51:19Shawn Ryan?

  I would love that. I would love that.

• 2:51:21Speaker 03

  I would love if you came down to church one Sunday.

• 2:51:23Shawn Ryan?

  I will do that.

• 2:51:25Speaker 03

  10:30, but make sure I'm in town. I'm leaving for two weeks. I'm dreading this trip because I feel like I'm gonna get trapped in Europe. At the worst possible time. I still have these weird, like, should I really be going on this trip? Am I gonna get back? Are you trapped in a war?

• 2:51:45Shawn Ryan?

  Well, we'll be praying for you.

• 2:51:46Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 2:51:46Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, I will, I will come down and, and, uh, join you for Mass.

• 2:51:51Speaker 03

  That'd be great.

• 2:51:52Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you for the invitation.

• 2:51:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I invite you to confession too.

• 2:51:56Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 2:51:57Speaker 03

  You gotta just, I have to throw it out there. I'd be remiss in my job.

• 2:52:02Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.

• 2:52:02Speaker 03

  You're welcome.

• 2:52:03Shawn Ryan?

  All right, Father. God bless you.

• 2:52:06Speaker 03

  Thank you, Sean.

• 2:52:07Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you.