Decoding Economic Warfare, Global Transition, Who is Satoshi and How YOU Can Escape the Cage | Impact Theory W. Tom Bilyeu & Simon Dixon

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• 1:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Welcome back to part two of this incredible conversation. Without further ado, here we go.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Why are we talking about that?

• 1:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, so for me, all of this is about mapping out how these different structures interact with each other. Because the ultimate thing that I want to build is we're in a moment of transition. And so what you and I have been talking about so far is understanding the current world order, how the power structures actually work, how they interface with each other. The different nodes that I picked on have just been me trying to use them as a case study to understand why somebody does well, somebody else does poorly, how much they're battling, how much this is coordinated because.

• 1:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Understanding how to navigate, if we understand how the transitions work, what motivates people, who the real players are, then the average person hopefully can survive this transitionary moment by understanding how to position themselves economically. I get that the vast majority of people won't, they won't pay attention. They're just too busy trying to raise families and fall in love and make enough money to get by, and I have so much empathy for that. However, there is a way always at the individual level to navigate this well. And so I'm trying to build a mental map of how you think through this to see how much high utility there is in all this. So anyway, so that we're getting close, I think, to wrapping up a rough approximation of how the world order works today.

• 2:35Tom Bilyeu?

  We have a handful of these powerful entities that are at war with themselves, at war with each other, but largely agreeing on how the system works in terms of this is a central bank at the bottom. You've got to compromise everybody that wants to succeed. That way you can tear down anybody that you need to so that there can be a loose sense of cooperation as the system changes in a largely unpredictable fashion. But you can react in a way that's intelligent. So to the point of the transition into the 2008 crisis, which is something we need to finish before we can move on. The powers that be had decided it was time

• 3:18Tom Bilyeu?

  to begin a multi-decade transition away from America. And now what we're trying to figure out is what, what do we learn from who wins and who loses in all of this? So BlackRock, starting in the eighties, becomes a tremendous winner. You addressed how they just outperformed everybody. Bear Stearns goes down, Lehman goes down for reasons we don't quite understand, but there's probably something there for anybody that wants to research it in terms of what they did. Were they just a sacrificial lamb? And they happen to be, as things start falling, it's like, oh, well, for whatever random set of reasons, they happen to have the most bad debt. And so, cool, we're gonna ax them off. Who knows? But they do get axed off.

• 4:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Then they step in, they being the Fed and the government cooperating to figure out how we're gonna deploy this capital. They pick BlackRock to be the disseminator of that, presumably because.

• 4:14Tom Bilyeu?

  That node is the most well-connected, the most trusted. People believe that they're going to get them through this. But then they're obviously going to prioritize their own entities.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was an important piece to add there is what BlackRock had that is unique to everyone else. They built a technology called Aladdin. And Aladdin is used by pretty much every pension fund manager, every endowment fund, every insurance company, every sovereign wealth fund, every central bank, and treasury and government treasury management services all around the world. And if you look at who has access to Aladdin in terms of a earliest AI technology for scenario planning,

• 5:09Speaker 01

  all sorts of capital markets, currency markets, commodity markets, stock markets, financial markets globally. It has the largest data sets in the world. Whereby, if you, for example, a sovereign wealth fund, and you're saying, I think the Strait of Hormuz is going to be closed for 90 days. How do I scenario plan that? It will kick out a scenario plan for the largest pools of capital in the world. And so capital moves as Aladdin tells it how to move. And so Aladdin has the best and most superior technology

• 5:54Speaker 01

  used by $25 trillion of capital.

• 5:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Whoa.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Yes. And they also have $14 trillion of assets under administration, under management. So they got $14 trillion of other people's money. And maybe 6 trillion of it is they have authority to allocate it. The rest of it is managing other people's money as set by a specific investment product. But they've also got ETFs. They've also are shareholders in the entire financial industrial complex, the biggest shareholder in all of them. And so who owns the Fed? Well, it's the banks and all those banks are public companies. And the largest shareholder in all of them is BlackRock.

• 6:41Speaker 01

  What about the private equity side? So when there is distressed buying of assets, there is all of the the biggest Blackstones and K K R are public companies with BlackRock as a number one shareholder. Those that create fiat currency, the banks are all public companies and largest shareholder, BlackRock.

• 7:03Speaker 01

  All of the different asset managers own shares in each other and BlackRock's the largest fund shareholder in State Street, Vanguard, Fidelity, the competition.

• 7:16Speaker 01

  Venture capitalists, the public one, you know, they they rely upon bank credit in order to get their. This is what I was trying to say earlier about Peter Thiel. Those V C funds are not just massive wealth, it's all leveraged. It's all leveraged wealth, even the V C funds is borrowed from banks. You know, they use leverage in order to make these investments. And so even people's net worth is leveraged to the kill when you look down and go down. You know, the the the the the cycle. But yeah, BlackRock also ended up via the global financial crisis, the largest E T F provider in the world by buying

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Barclays E T F division and growing their own E T F division and leverage mergers and acquisitions and leverage buyouts over time. So now, if you're a country, then you can use Aladdin in order to scenario plan why capital inflows should go into Egypt. You can use the FX broker market in order to destroy or make a currency. They just did it in Iran. Scott Bessent went on national T V and said, part of economic fury, we killed the currency. That was an operation that's done via London. That is deliberate destruction of the savings of the ordinary Iranian people. That is a civilian target.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Um. That is collective punishment for every single, imagine you log into your online banking and your entire life saving disappears. And then they create an inflation recycle in order to encourage you to uprise against a militarized government. And a militarized government, IRGC, is gonna shoot you. You know, if you are uprising and and they had Mossad CIA intelligence agencies. And every one of those, many of those politicians in America were just saying, uprise, uprise. Um.

• 9:29Speaker 01

  And then lying about what happened as well, you know, they control the media, all the media are public companies as well.

• 9:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, are they trying to do that just because they need another war? And they need to destabilize Iran in order to capture the oil? Like, what's the end game?

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Here's where it requires a bit more nuance in the Iran side, but what I wanted to say anyway is that BlackRock has twenty five trillion dollars of assets under administration in technology. Twelve, fourteen trillion now, they're making so much money out of the closure of the Strait of Amuse. That added two trillion to their value. Um, that they've got fourteen trillion there. Um, and then they've got all the ETF flows. So if they want a scenario plan, my capital comes into Egypt now. Then Aladdin can do that and get the largest capital flows in the world. And so the value of an ETF as the value of a currency

• 10:22Speaker 01

  is a financial weapon of mass destruction for subordinating countries to the FIC. Um, and this is always, every single war of the British Empire was always a currency war. The transatlantic slave trade, the opium wars, they were always destroy the value of the currency in order to destabilize, in order to manufacture the environment that justifies military action so that we can take the resources, renegotiate contract, install our own dictators so that the resources become ours and not the people's. That's the entire history of this five hundred year European American empire.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Uh, and it's still happening today. We're watching it in real time. Um. Now, when you look at the the construct of Iran today, and we will.

• 11:17Tom Bilyeu?

  You say the construct of Iran?

• 11:19Speaker 01

  Yes. Um. Iran has a six thousand year history, but go back to nineteen fifty three. And the CIA and MI six overthrew um the democratically elected democracy in order to install somebody that would give all the oil to British Petroleum. Eighty percent of the revenue went to British Petroleum. Because they dared to try and nationalize their oil so that their people wouldn't have to pay tax. As they do in Saudi Arabia today. Um. And so the the leadership, the entire history of Iran

• 12:02Speaker 01

  is getting access to their oil. Um. The Shah was an installation of the change in empire because the previous leader, Mossadegh, um was connected with the British Empire and regime, the CIA regime changed um to the Shah to have a brutal dictator in order to make sure that the Iran could be used for the American empire. And the Iranian revolution um was an uprising.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  Um. And people question as well, was that, you know, the uh when Khomeini came back from France after being circled by MI six. Um. Was that another op? You know, we've got declassified CIA documents for for much. You you you find out about it when it's too late. But once you recognize the pattern, just look up Operation Ajax two point O. The exact same thing that just happened was done in nineteen fifty three for British Petroleum.

• 13:05Tom Bilyeu?

  What's the thing that just happened? So what's Ajax, what's two point?

• 13:09Speaker 01

  You destroy your currency, you create inflation, you use sanctions in order to create an economic environment where the civilian targets. And then you in you create an environment of an uprising in order to destabilize a country. So that you can and the financial markets hedge everything. They don't care whether these operations succeed or fail. They use derivative markets. They know what operations are coming ahead of time. They make money if they succeed, money if it fails. And then they manipulate the markets in between um so that they're hedged for any outcome. They don't care what happens. You know, they're they're just doing bank the whole way.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Killing people is not a concept that they care about. You know, this is not, there is no such, the narrative that's fed through the media they control. That is public companies, you know, uh um. Is just an acceptable narrative to make. You think that what you're doing is good. And you're defending democracy or you're standing for, you're trying to save the people. Look what happens to the Venezuela. Like now the, uh anyway, let's not go off.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  These uh these, you know, the everything in the, that's the part you've got to take away. Everything a politician says and the media says is a managed narrative. Which if you follow the money is completely opposite to what the financial industrial complex are investing in.

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• 18:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. Right. So you just have to explain why we're going to do this thing, but we're doing this thing for a different reason. So the reason that you just walked through with Iran is their whole history is about, we need to control the oil. This is an empire story. So right now it'd be the American empire is trying to control it. However, we are in a moment of transition where we are moving away from we being this power structure is moving away from the American empire. And so the question we haven't answered yet that we've opened it is why roughly, I don't know, 10, 20 years ago, did they decide that they were going to start this migration? What triggered that? Why now? And then where does it end up?

• 18:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Is this just everything being migrated over to China?

• 18:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. So if you're, if you're managing a portfolio and you're BlackRock and you're seeing, okay, China enters the World Trade Organization, China is the global manufacturing base.

• 19:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Did you put China into the WTO or did you just watch it happen and react?

• 19:12Speaker 01

  China's independent. China does not have a corporate structure that sits above the CCP. The Chinese Communist Party went through a century of humiliation from the British Empire and all the opium wars and all the currency wars and all the manufactured wars. The Japan situation, a century of humiliation and said, we're building constructs to keep out the barbarians. That was the Great Wall of China effectively. That's capital controls, that's, and the CCP rules. You know, it's known as an authoritarian government. It is authoritarian. But it is it is designed so that no corporate structure can subordinate it.

• 19:55Speaker 01

  There's no Mick Fick Tick above the CCP. There's a Mick Fick Tick below the CCP. Uh, but the CCP is the ultimate ruler um in in the Chinese construct. And the reason there's capital controls is they don't want currency wars. Um, they want to protect everything. Um, and so China created a structure where if you're optimizing, if you're optimizing for corporate profits and your quarterly returns um and your earnings report and not for America, because America is just a stock market to FIC. It's a currency market to FIC. It's liquidity. It's a government you can control.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's all tho- those those are, America is to them. The people are just collateralized debt obligations. You know, you, your job is to go into debt, go to college, go to debt, be a worker bee. Um, the, get a mortgage, get a credit card, keep consuming, keep going. Um, and if you knock off, if you fall off the fair, we don't care about you. If you earn enough money, then, or you become an entrepreneur, then we put you in our control grids as you go up. VC, private equity, IPO, um, as we go. And then we co-opt you into being a FIC member, a node in the FIC. That's all it is.

• 21:20Speaker 01

  Now, I think if you're, if you're managing a portfolio, BlackRock, you're looking at it and saying, I think we've, I think we've done what we can. Um, everyone's on debt or they're a part or they're subordinate to one of our power structures. And now there's problems. The suicide rates are at record highs, the 10th largest, for the first time in history, the 10th largest creation, uh, the 10th, uh, death is suicide, uh, the 10th reason for death.

• 21:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Leading cause.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Leading cause, sorry. Thank you. Um.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  Degeneracy. Um, people are choosing, uh, women are choosing OnlyFans. Uh, men are gambling. Uh, cryptocurrency speculation seems to be one way that people are trying to create a career. Uh, nowadays, because women and men hate each other. People are confused around what women are and what men are. Um. The, the numbers, the debt levels, the K-shaped economy, the wealth inequality, the rich getting richer, the poor getting poorer. Is reaching the point where, where, where's the consumption going to be? They're all maxed out on their credit cards.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  Like, where is the consumption? Now, fifty percent of all consumption is done by ten percent of wealthy people. The others are starting to uprise. There seems to be real dissatisfaction. Um, how do we weaponize that dissatisfaction? Uh, how do we make money out of the dissatisfaction? Um, and, uh, so I think they sat around and said, hey, by the way, the, the killer, no one's having kids. They're going to extinction.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Um, who's having the kids? The Africans, the Southeast Asians? And some of the Muslims in the Middle East? Are they going to be the ones that are going to buy our product? In the future? Or are we going to be able to roll over that? Maybe we'll just give them fifty-year mortgages rather than thirty-year mortgages. Um, we will figure out what to do with them, but we've got to make sure that we extract as much out of the government. Let's keep the debt going. Let's do fiscal dominance is the strategy. Which is where the government spends to prop up the stock market by redistributing through things like the big beautiful bill. AI data center build outs, um, military spending, uh, bailouts.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  These are the mechanisms for using the government debt to extract as much as possible.

• 23:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Through inflation?

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Sorry?

• 24:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, how does that mechanism extract?

• 24:03Speaker 01

  Um, so you do, if you create a, a pump and dump cycle, you end up with a bailout like we did in two thousand and eight, like we did with Covid, like we are right now. And that leads to needing to the Federal Reserve having to buy government bonds and increase the government debt.

• 24:20Tom Bilyeu?

  So I'll say it in my really simple way, and this is your chance to tell me that I'm crazy, which my audience I'm sure would love. The way that I see it is you can just boil it down to something very simple. The way that you extract is by running deficits so that you can money print. Money printing steals from everybody, but it gives back only to people that hold assets. And that's the funnel. Just that simple.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Correct, yes, absolutely. And those in debt pay the interest that support the assets. The those in debt are the asset.

• 24:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Literally, I scream at the top of my lungs to get people to understand that. And yeah, I get a lot of pushback, but alas, here we are.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  Military budget, so that's that's thick. Military budget, engineer a war. And now we're going from a trillion to a trillion and a half. Department of War, peace through strength is a narrative.

• 25:11Speaker 01

  No, that's creating war. There's a manufacturing war. There's no defense in that. Then they finally returned it to the appropriate name, the Department of War. That's a way more appropriate name. So why are we being honest now? That's an interesting question as well in itself. Technology, tick.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  We need to spend the maximum amount, the entire growth of the entire US economy last year was AI.

• 25:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Data centers, the whole infrastructure, everything around that. There would have been no growth if it wasn't for AI data center.

• 25:49Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, are you bringing that up, though? Because that's one of the warning signs that the powers that be see that make them want to march towards a multipolar world. Because I still can't yet put together the like China's got to make sense, or you've got to tell me that why do you keep bringing up China? China has nothing to do with this, they're to the side like, because the mental model that I'm building of your worldview, which is what I'm trying to map, is that, okay, we've sucked America dry. Yeah, maybe there's some stuff at the edges that we can continue to monetize, but we've already maxed these guys out. They're starting to commit suicide, not very interesting, not having kids. Uh, who's the future? Now there, I keep inserting China because I can't imagine you're going to say anybody else is going to be the multipole, but China isn't having kids either.

• 26:33Tom Bilyeu?

  So I'm not, and if they have done something to protect themselves from the influence of the MCFIC and TIC, uh, they seem like the least likely place you'd want to swing this all to. So what am I missing?

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that's how fiscal dominance work. MCFIC, TIC, they get all their stimulus to their stock market value by getting government to spend it. You know, you had a big beautiful bill, which uncovered all of it. Um, so now you're trying to say, right, uh, we still have an incredible stock market, the most liquid stock market in the world. Um, the government is taking on the most amount of debt in the world, the most liquid bond market in the world. Um, but things are breaking at the international level. Um, people aren't buying our treasuries. Central banks aren't buying our treasuries. They're buying gold. Gold's become the world reserve asset. Um, the constructs that made the dollar the world

• 27:29Speaker 01

  reserve currency, the petro dollar, the euro dollar, and the Japan carry trades, which we can go in later, uh, they're, let's, let's break them. Um, but why, why are they doing that? Why are they doing that managed transition? Um, well, imagine if you've got your MCFIC and TIC. The TIC is essentially data centers, AI chips, all of the stuff that they've built. The MCFIC is all of this military technology and everything that we've, um, built, intelligence, uh, and the FIC is financialization and securitization. Um, China now has an independent system that we need to integrate with. Now, the reason we built up China and put it in the World Trade Organization is because we want to cheap labor and cheap manufacturing

• 28:14Speaker 01

  because it makes us more money. Doesn't matter what America wants. It's, we need, we, the stock market gets more revenue out of having a cheap labor force and a manufacturing base that's highly, highly efficient. And a currency that's devalued, so everything is cheaper. Our dollars are going up in value, we get more Chinese yuan, we get cheaper, cheaper. More revenue, more profit, more revenue, more profit. And so China was built for that. And you can, you know, you can look back at the agreements and that was a great deal for them. They built out this, this manufacturing base and they said to companies like Apple. They said, why don't you just put your factory here?

• 28:58Speaker 01

  But if you put your factory here, you have to play by Chinese rules. And Apple said, okay.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  So it's Chinese factories with Chinese people, with Chinese rules and Chinese capital controls.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  And we get to build our own one, Huawei. And we get to utilize anything and Tesla, why don't you do the same? And the company said, yeah, sure, we don't care about America. We care, we're, we're global in nature. If we get to work with the Chinese market and we get to get the, the cheaper manufacturing base and the currency arbitrage and the cheap labor, then yeah, we'll build there.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  And so they did. And so, you know, China built this insulated system that Fit couldn't penetrate. There's no way of penetrating it. And so if they maximize profits by having a manufacturing base in China and there's only a few populations that are actually having children, then what is the Chinese model? The Chinese model was the opposite of the American model, it was.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  We want to grow countries so that they can buy our products. And so we want them more wealthy. We don't want them just for their resources. We obviously do want their rare earth minerals, we do want their resources. But where are the consumption markets? We need wealthy populations in Africa. We need wealthy populations in the Middle East. We need wealthy populations in Southeast Asia. So that we can sell our products to them, they can get more wealthy and they're still having children. With everyone else, we probably need to automate them. We probably need to do robotics like because they're just unproductive. Let's just take all their jobs. And China's going through the same thing. Two hundred and fifty million people are going to go out of the work market within China.

• 30:53Speaker 01

  So they built out this Belt and Road Initiative and started investing everywhere, selling all their US, some of their US Treasuries, and investing it in countries so that they could build their infrastructure and increase their wealth. They did the reverse of the IMF. The IMF said, you don't get anything, you have to give it to us, and we install a dictator.

• 31:13Tom Bilyeu?

  So they're basically trying to plant trees instead of eat the seeds.

• 31:16Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Now, if you're America and you're thinking, right, we are still red hot. Our stock market is red hot, our capital markets are red hot. But there's serious problems in the population, like serious problems.

• 31:33Speaker 01

  Then you think about, well, what about the tactics that we used abroad? Why don't we just bring them home?

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Why don't we just do our own color revolutions? Why don't we just build our own police and surveillance state? There's two million people in prison in America. That's more than any country in the world, and it's all privatized. The deport, the deporting industry, they get paid a dividend, they get paid for every single deportation, every single incarceration. I know people that went to America and they were just driven around from prison to prison because they're just trying to delay them actually seeing the judge of why they shouldn't be deported. And every time they go from one prison to the other, there's a new check that comes from these government programs.

• 32:21Speaker 01

  And so there's all these rampant privatized prison sentence, prison industry.

• 32:28Tom Bilyeu?

  That's trying to skim from the government.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Absolutely. The, they expose the Somalia one, but they don't expose the ones that everyone else is doing. This is happening absolutely everywhere.

• 32:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so we sort of keep bouncing back and forth between two different things that I really want to make sure that we move forward with the question that's burning in my mind. So the things we keep bouncing back and forth between are further extraction from America. And then we've got a multipolar world sitting out there somewhere that the powers that be, mick, fick, tic, they're trying to move us towards. I am still having a hard time. So I understand what China is doing. But if China is somewhat impervious, I still don't understand the incentive to leverage them in this new migration to a new world order. Why are they not trying to isolate China, push them out,

• 33:21Tom Bilyeu?

  stop them from doing all the Belt and Road Initiative? Like, yeah, I'll stop there.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. So if you're managing a transition and you've got a mick, fick and tic in America, and a dysfunctional system that may one day create some regulatory environment or some uprising that takes away your power. You start to think about, why don't we use our resources and build a mick, fick and tic everywhere?

• 33:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 33:49Speaker 01

  And so they started doing that. And so every war creates a new opportunity to negotiate a new mick, fick and tic in that region.

• 34:00Tom Bilyeu?

  We're hitting pause for a moment, but there's plenty more ahead, so don't go anywhere.

• 34:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Thanks for sticking around. Let's get right back into the action. Do you think they want war with China to destabilize to mick, fick, tic China?

• 34:13Speaker 01

  No.

• 34:14Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so China is still sitting off to the side. In your mind, just so I know if I keep pushing down this lane, in your mind, does China have a role? Should I keep trying to understand how they bolt onto your worldview? Or are they an anomaly and I should set them off to the side?

• 34:28Speaker 01

  No, China is. You know, the manufacturing base of the world.

• 34:33Tom Bilyeu?

  But are they like a necessary thing that the powers that be have to like, ah, fuck, all right, whatever?

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Yes, that's it. They, that's the right way of framing it.

• 34:42Tom Bilyeu?

  But we have to deal with them.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Got it. But we're always looking like, hey, Iran, like, we're gonna make Fik tick you.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Like, that's the play there. And then we've got Israel make Fik ticking Palestine?

• 34:56Speaker 01

  I mean, the, the model, the, what, what gets rebuilt in Gaza is the model that ideally make Fik tick would like to build globally.

• 35:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  That's the.

• 35:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Globally. So we're gonna have to blow up a lot of other places.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Because Palestine's small as hell.

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:11Tom Bilyeu?

  So Iran, that's good size, ninety-three mil-ish, cool, ton of rebuild, love what's happening there. Where else? We destabilize the US, rebuild US?

• 35:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, so there's a, there's another part to the, this equation, which is that, um, Fik co-opted every country that managed to remain a degree of sovereign, sovereign, to keep a bit of their sovereign power. And that is every, if you look at, if you go in chat GPT and ask for the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world.

• 35:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Those are the countries that managed to keep their resources, negotiate with Mick Fick and TIC to bribe them as a mafia protection racket. Like, you get a military base here, just leave us alone.

• 36:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  Um.

• 36:02Tom Bilyeu?

  We were basically talking about GCC, right? I mean, this.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  We're talking about Singapore, we're talking about the Gulf countries, we're talking about China, uh, we're talking about Norway in the case of Europe. Um, if you look at the largest sovereign wealth funds in the world, they played the game where they managed to just put themselves in a situation somehow. And in Saudi, there was assassinations and all sorts and, and, and the group that created nine eleven and all sorts. I don't want to go down those rabbit holes. Um, but they managed to play the game where they got to keep the resources and feed a sovereign wealth fund. And those sovereign wealth fund got co-opted by Fik where they gave them co-investment in every single deal.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  And so when you look at any of the deals, we're about to do the SpaceX API, sorry, IPO,

• 36:54Speaker 01

  the SpaceX IPO. If you look at the entire history of Elon, it was FIC, DARPA, intelligence funding, military funding, and sovereign wealth funds. And so if you're a sovereign wealth fund, you, the, the original construct of what propped up Ameri- we've missed a whole load of monetary history, but we, we got to the petro-dollar in the end. That was about making sure that, that you were buying US debt.

• 37:25Speaker 01

  But now they're buying US equity. And remember, debt, equity, two different products. Equity means voting rights and control. Debt means, you know, you're creating artificial demand for, for dollars. And you're in, you're, you're creating demand for the government to go deeper into debt in the Ponzi scheme. They stopped buying debt and bonds, and they started buying equity. And so now, you've got influence, you've got subordination. And this block, I would call it, if you look across, the financial industrial complex controls the entire West, Europe, UK, America, Australia, Canada, all of the, the collective

• 38:09Speaker 01

  West, where there was neoliberal opening upper markets, floated currencies, stock markets, bond markets. Then you've got the sovereign wealth funds that nationalized their resources and then built a, a, a defense mechanism called a sovereign wealth fund. They negotiated with FIC. And then you've got this one system called China, which is a, a siloed walled garden with capital controls, currency controls.

• 38:39Speaker 01

  And if you know, you've got to integrate with China, which is the manufacturing base.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Um, America, the consumption is just the wealthy. Eventually, the wealthy will leave, just like they did in UK. And you can see the operations to drain the UK. And that was another one we could go through. Um, but the, in the end, you want to set up a Mick Ficken tick. And you charge fees off all the alternative parallel financial systems. Um, and you charge fees integrating into the Chinese system. Um, and you extract, you asset strip the West for everything you can. Um, now you'd want to do that while America is still very, very powerful in terms of its stocks. You'd want to manage a capital outflow.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  So if you look at many ETFs, we're outperforming the S and P in terms of commodity countries, energy countries. Same with the currencies as well. Um, but you'd want to negotiate into that while you're still very strong.

• 39:46Speaker 01

  And so you, you need that timeframe to utilize like all of the assets. And that's why they're going around, if you look at the meeting, very symbolic. There was Trump, who represents all of the executives of the shareholder classes. Meeting with Xi Jinping. Um, and you can go through each one of those executives and you can see how they're integrating into a multipolar framework.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Um, and that's what's happening in the world today as, as I see it. Um, and what did we get an announcement today? I think just right now, uh, or the other day, you know, Putin met with Xi Jinping. And here's 40 deals that moves us towards a multipolar framework after meeting Trump. But Trump wasn't negotiating for America. Trump was negotiating for the Fick, Mick and Tick.

• 40:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so we have a fly in the ointment in the name of China. That is actually causing a different kind of negotiation than they, the Mick Ficken tick would normally do. Where they would just find the next target. They would go in, be like, cool, we're gonna destabilize, take over, extract all the resources. They can't do that with China.

• 41:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Nonetheless, they understand that they have to somehow integrate with China. And so the multipolar world is less, oh, it's time for a multipolar world. And it's like, well, this is just what this moment in history has brought us. China has crawled its way out from under 100 years of humiliation. We've gotten more or less what we're going to get out of America because it's starting to show signs of breaking down. In our last moments of strength, we want to play our hand to create an alliance with China such that we're able to take advantage of the Belt and Road initiatives and things that they've done around the world. But we still have this looming like, these guys don't know how to stop doing a good thing.

• 41:45Tom Bilyeu?

  So they're going to keep playing the game of destabilizing and extracting. Iran is the hot thing. Now, you said earlier, if you follow the money, you can see where the wars are going. So let's say I'm China and I'm watching this play out, but I'm aware of your mental model. Or maybe I just believe it. So I'm looking at the world and I'm saying, hmm, where is this going next? What are they going to try to destabilize? It isn't me, I'm too big, I'm too strong, I've made myself impervious. I see them fucking around with Venezuela, I see them making a move on Iran. What am I thinking? Am I like, ooh, I've got to put an end to this shit ASAP? Because clearly Venezuela and Iran matter to me.

• 42:31Tom Bilyeu?

  And so am I going to make sure that Iran gets restabilized? Am I going to say, okay, whatever, Iran's already gone. I need to protect, insert thing here. Like, how would they be viewing this moment?

• 42:43Speaker 01

  There's one more important piece, which is the energy piece that I think we need to cover. And then hopefully we can answer that question. Under Trump administration, one, America became somewhat energy independent. Or they didn't need the Middle East to the extent they needed before. They still needed Mexico and Canada for like diesel and various other essential things. But they didn't need the Middle East anymore. And so the Middle East had this whole construct of subordination that was set up to different degrees in every single country. But where were, who was buying all the energy and all the oil and all the LNG?

• 43:25Speaker 01

  And remember, we have this radical change that AI moves us from less dependency on oil and more dependency on LNG and electricity. The China was buying it all. And so your sovereign wealth fund is buying US equities, no longer lending to the US government, but all the money is coming from China, or the vast majority of the money is coming from China. China now has influence over you. And you have influence over FIC.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  That changes power dynamics. So now you've got FIC rather than, in the ideal world, they'd like to dominate the entire world. But it didn't scale, it didn't reach that phase. And so once America became energy independent, now, you know, the Gulf is saying, well, all the money is coming from China. Like, what are we doing here? Let's just buy America. Let's just buy all their assets, but let's not lend them anymore. That ain't working well for us.

• 44:29Speaker 01

  And if I were China, I would do exactly what China did. I'd normalize between Iran and Saudi Arabia. I'd lean into the Russian relationship.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  I'd build out an infrastructure across Africa, across Central and South America, across the Middle East, and exactly as they did.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  And we need something that resets the world order.

• 45:02Tom Bilyeu?

  What's that something?

• 45:03Speaker 01

  The closure of the Strait of Hormuz.

• 45:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Because it's going to allow them to do what?

• 45:08Speaker 01

  It creates an energy crisis simultaneously. It reprices 50 commodities. It flattens out the small business, the people that were on the brink of bankruptcy, the middle class. Keep that closed. Um, and who benefits? Fick, Mick, Tick. Sovereign wealth funds that are selling commodities at higher prices. Um, and China that is getting all the, you look, you look, you look across Trump too. I, I look at the four main policies he did. So first thing he did, the big, beautiful bill. Mm hmm.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Which was a stimulus check for Mick, Fick and Tick. Then he did, um. Uh, Doge, Department of Government Efficiency. Anybody that understands currency knows that you can't pay down the national debt. That's a great depression. You can't pay down the debt. The dollar is debt. Uh, paying down the debt is, is saying end of dollar. You know, end of the world as we know it today. So why did they do that? Well, it was a data collection exercise for Tick. And, and that data ended up in XAI and Palantir and, um, you know, uh, you, you know. On a false pretense that they're going to try and pay down the debt or handle the deficit.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  One, one part of thing to understand is that having world reserve currency means you have to do what America does. You have to always spend more than you bring in in tax. And you have to always export debt and you always have to have a trade deficit. That's the rule of being world reserve currency. If you paid, if, if that changes. You stop becoming world reserve currency. Um, and you become a regional power, as it were. Um, so he started doing that. And what was the mechanism for doing that tariff? Tariff renegotiated every relationship, drew everyone to bricks. Wealth transfer, BlackRock got the, you know, contracts, um. Assets under administration goes up, wealth concentrates upwards again.

• 47:18Speaker 01

  Um, small to medium sized business in America paid the tax because you're an import country. So the importer pays the tariff. Then you get, what else? Release of Epstein files. I think that severely damaged the reputation of the American empire.

• 47:38Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, this felt like a parenthetical on why China wanted the strait of Hormuz closed. I'm still not sure how they benefit from that.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, then you go to the event that changes the order, which is you create the Suez Canal moment for America.

• 47:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Just to prove these guys are fucked. They can't like Mick is done. They can't do their thing.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  If you can, if America, because most people think in terms of nation states rather than transnational capital.

• 48:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  If America can no longer protect and they can't open the strait, then you've resetted every part of the post-World War II Bretton Woods system. And what did tariff policies do? It started breaking. What has Trump done? He's break, he broke all the constructs of what propped up the dollar, the deep state, USAID. These are all where the covert operations happen.

• 48:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm.

• 48:34Speaker 01

  The Japan carry trade. Suddenly, Japan starts increasing their interest rate for the first time. That breaks the mechanism, which is funding 50% of the US government debt by the hedge funds. Eurodollars, which is everyone creating dollars outside the system, transfers more power over to foreign central banks.

• 48:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so give us a

• 48:56Speaker 01

  Petrodollar.

• 48:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Give us a thumbnail sketch of what the new world order is and who it's going to benefit.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  So, America is controlled by Mick Fictick.

• 49:05Tom Bilyeu?

  That's the status quo.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  Correct. It subordinates Europe further. I think it needs, you can probably squeeze another three years of war out of that. Get another trillion dollars out of the Brits and the Europeans. You can probably get Russia's sanction money. And you can keep that narrative going for maybe another three years. Send Europe into massive asset stripping.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  You can, if FIC needs to retreat from the forever war in the Middle East, give it Europe, give it internal unrest in America and police and surveillance state, and give it Central and South America. You can go back and you can do your banana republic wars again over there. So you have Venezuela, then you choke it, then you have Cuba as the new narrative, and you just keep going round in circles across Europe, Central and South America. You can dollarize them, you can test out your Palantir technology, you can extract resources into the US stock market, so then we can extract all the value into stocks, increase

• 50:15Speaker 01

  the debt exponentially for as long as that will last, weaken the dollar relative to other foreign currencies, which creates capital outflows. Then you take the rest of the world and you try and get one node in every block. So the GCC, the Gulf Cooperation Council, I'd say UAE is the fixed node. In the case of China, Hong Kong is their gateway. You know, they've got more of their financial markets and many of the legacy drug trades and gold routes and all the money laundering stuff that happens in UAE and Hong Kong. And

• 50:55Speaker 01

  then you get ASEAN as a block, and you get BRICS as a block. BRICS is basically China is the head of BRICS, Saudi is the head of the GCC, and Singapore, and potentially Indonesia is the head of the ASEAN block. And then we get a MCFIC and TIC and as many as we can penetrate. In the case of BRICS, let's penetrate India. In the case of GCC, let's penetrate UAE.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  And then we build based upon actually regional stability in the Middle East for the first time in history. So my prediction is we ain't going to World War III, not a chance in hell. There's no nuclear.

• 51:41Tom Bilyeu?

  This feels way more unstable to me.

• 51:43Speaker 01

  Oh, it's way more stable. It's a much better world.

• 51:45Tom Bilyeu?

  More stable.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:47Tom Bilyeu?

  How is it more stable when more people are fighting for trying to penetrate a given region?

• 51:53Speaker 01

  Because I believe they're coordinating at the nation state level. And this is a manufactured transition.

• 52:02Tom Bilyeu?

  But wasn't it a manufactured transition to the US? It was a manufactured and coordinated stripping of the US. So where does the increase in stability come from?

• 52:12Speaker 01

  I think this is China's plan with the Gulf Sovereign Wealth Funds with the FIC.

• 52:17Tom Bilyeu?

  So China is running the setup of the New World Order?

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Yes, China negotiating with FIC. It's not correct to say one has all the power.

• 52:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  China and FIC are the are the powers. And each sovereign wealth fund has a degree of leverage because they control strategic strategic choke points and resources.

• 52:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And so with more people being able to push back, you're saying that there's less likely to be the, oh, we're just going to go destabilize this place. Oh, we're going to go destabilize this place.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  This is, if you get outside of a Western paradigm, if you've been on the wrong side of these bombs, and I've visited as many countries as I can and spoke to as many people, when Trump started deconstructing the US empire, this was the this was the dream of the global south. This is the the the competition between taking capital from the IMF or the Gulf countries or China Belt and Road, and being able to fight back. And actually, for the first time in history, some countries in Africa, for the first time in a millennia,

• 53:31Speaker 01

  are actually able to say. Um, we'll can, we're all actually gonna hold out on our resources. And we're gonna play you off against each other. And if you wanna invest in, in our country, you need to employ our people and build the factory here, and we'll sell you the finished product.

• 53:50Tom Bilyeu?

  And people having the power and ability to stand up, that creates a more stable world.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're able to play the, the, there's, there's, there's competition for access to capital. You can go to the Belt and Road Initiative, you can go to the Gulf Sovereign Wealth Funds, or you can go to the IMF model, and everyone knows what happens when you go to the IMF. You know.

• 54:11Tom Bilyeu?

  Humor me, what happens?

• 54:13Speaker 01

  Uh, you end up with a dictator. You end up with the media destroying the reputation of your country, and that dictator is bribed to take the resources and send them back to Western countries for their consumption debt-based economy with no benefit to the population.

• 54:33Speaker 01

  And you, and if you don't comply, you get assassinated.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Or you get regime changed, or you get called a brutal dictator, Gaddafi. Like, do you, uh, we could go round and round. Saddam Hussein was a, was a US ally.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  Then the, then he tried to, um, actually use his resources and price a current, uh, price his, uh, currency in a, uh, and, and price oil in a different currency. Now he's the enemy. Gaddafi tried to create a pan-African currency backed by gold. And that's when you need to be wiped out. That's when suddenly, um, Assad, if he's not complying, needs to be given by MI6 chemical weapons. So that we can manufacture a narrative and make it look like you were blowing up the chemical weapons. Like, the boot of the Western Empire is being lifted.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Uh, so for the rest of the, for many parts of the world, this is the best thing that ever happened to them. Like, this is their opportunity. This is multipolarity. This is competition. This is markets, not monopolies. Like, everything that America said it was, but then didn't do because Fit took over.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  Is what the rest of the world wants to see happen and they couldn't do it. Um, until there was competition to this uh make fake and tick construct.

• 56:06Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so um, I mean, obviously wild for people that are hearing this for the first time. It is, I think for a lot of people, going to be very eye opening. One thing that you said early is that you can exit the system and you did. And for you, that was Bitcoin. Why is Bitcoin the off ramp? And for people that are like the the populace, the masses. What is your advice for how to navigate this transition to an actual new world order? How do they do it well?

• 56:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think the first thing to realize is the polit- to me. And people push back against this and it creates a journey of people deciding whether they agree or disagree. There's no political solution in the West. There's no democracy, it's all a lie. Um, the lobby with the controls and it's run by the government is a distraction. The left versus the right is a complete distraction. It's designed to get you to buy into a system that will never fix itself. And you'll be eternally distracted forever. They put people like, you know, the Thomas Massey comes along and you get new hope.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  Uh, and then they the A pack lobby taking you'll be eternally distracted. In in a paradigm, the the the manufactured civil unrest. It is a construct that's being deliberately done. They want Muslims to hate Jews and Jews to hate Christians and blacks to hate whites and. Countries China's China to hate America. Religious tensions, racial tensions.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  Political tensions, Democrats, Republicans. Divide and conquer was always the strategy. Now it's, you know, and it's always been done on on home as well at home. So what once you come to that realization that there is no political system. You realize that there's two types of people and a third type of person that they don't want.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  They don't mind you having freedom of speech and no money and deep in debt. You can whinge about the system, you can say what you want about Jeffrey Epstein, you can talk about how corrupt some of the trades are by Biden and Trump. Please don't think I've got Trump derangement syndrome. If Biden was in charge, I'd be doing the same exercise I have been doing it. You know, I'm just doing it because Trump is here right now. So, you know, that's another defense mechanism.

• 58:39Speaker 01

  They don't mind you having freedom of speech as long as you have no power and you're subordinate to the FIC. You can keep saying what you want, nothing's gonna happen.

• 58:49Speaker 01

  Or they want you in the system. You know, that's where you are in their leverage networks, in their subordination structure, in access to debt capital markets, or a public company, or a VC funded business, or any of these things, or a public company, you know, then you you can't talk. You have fiduciary duties to shareholders. You have subordination structures that mean your life can be impacted if you can't pay your debt, you know. They they don't mind people being in the system because they know that you can't talk about it. You're just part of the theater. You're part of the WWE game.

• 59:28Speaker 01

  You can't say what you want because your power and your wealth depends upon it. And so they like people co-opted into the system. What they don't like is wealthy people with no debt, with a business that is not venture funded, that has assets that sit outside the system and are incredibly wealthy and can say whatever they want on a podcast. That's what they don't like. So there those are very rare. And my mission was to work to see how many of those we could produce. And that's what drove me to Bitcoin.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  And so, you know, I I I I realized that there is a way of storing value without a central bank. Um owning money without a bank and spending it without government permission. Now I have to follow the law still in my country, so pick the right jurisdiction. They don't like people that those jurisdictions exist because people want to escape. And so um for me, um and it's a spectrum, but becoming a more sovereign person, a more sovereign um company um and using jurisdictional arbitrage is is how you win the game.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  And the more people that do that, the more people that can use their wealth to co-op the FIC, to buy the FIC, to build the decentralized technology that disrupts the the tick. Um and to create an environment where regional stability is better than destruction, which is the mixed model. And so right now you're watching new defense contracts being constructed everywhere because it's more profitable than destroying it. And why? Because the Gulf countries and China built enough wealth to co-op the FIC and influence the system and get control mechanisms within it. So to me, there's two ways in which people can um take this.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  And I don't judge. Um. My choice was quite extreme and quite rare, which is I decided to exit everything. Jurisdictional arbitrage, wealth arbitrage, own wealth in in, you know, things you can self custody, whether it's gold or Bitcoin, but no debt, you know, no interest. I tried to do everything the opposite, build wealth and then buy houses um rather than actually leverage debt in order to control houses for, you know, under fixed terms.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  The the more sovereign you can become, and it's a spectrum, it's a journey. I think the the biggest thing that people get wrong is perfectionism. They want to get it all right right away. I mean, no, it ain't gonna happen like this is just a a bit. Am I more sovereign today or less sovereign today? Is my decision more, am I supporting more evil or less evil? And I ask myself those questions every day. Is this purchase decision? Helping my local, you know, my local farmer, or is it helping some big conglomerate that is wiping out the farmers?

• 1:02:48Speaker 01

  Is my investment supporting a subordination structure? Or is it supporting something that's more good? And and so there's a couple of ways you can go about this. You can either say, I'm gonna use the system for what it is. And I'm gonna be that one person that's actually able to speak out against the system and do the difficult thing. Which is speak against my vested interest. And there are wild cards. There are good people. There are people that do that, you know, read a book like Confessions of an Economic Hitman. And you can find people that were involved in these control struck constructs and wars. And spoke out against it and went against their own interest.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Or you can just exit the system, boycott it, and become a loud voice.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  And using your money in order to try and change the things that you can control. And what I've noticed. Is that I think the way we win is decentralized technology versus centralized technology. And decentralized communities versus centralized communities. If you look at all of this, this multipolar world. And probably this one global government between China and the the big tech companies that we seem to be moving to. With AI and social credit scores and central bank digital currencies, global in nature.

• 1:04:11Speaker 01

  Um. There will always be pockets of decentralized communities. And so it really comes down to, what is my relationship with myself? Um. How am I with my family? And around my family are a bunch of neighbors. And at the end of the day, it's up to us. You know, that's the thing that impacts us. Um. Are they going to break supply chains with my farmers? Well, I better support my farmer. You know what I mean? Because I don't want them gone. Um. And so it comes down to that. And I think that that that that that is the battle. It's the system is the system. I think nothing stops this train and there's no political solution.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  AI is AI. There's nothing that's going to stop that. So you need to lean into it, build as much as you can in the system as it is today. Um. And then be very conscious that your your vote is your money. On the micro level. And if more and more people do that, and by the way,

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  once you realize that, you realize there is a way of breaking the system if we wanted. But they don't want you to know that.

• 1:05:21Tom Bilyeu?

  What's the way?

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Stop paying your mortgage and stop paying your rent. On a global coordinated scale, the entire system breaks. And if you actually had coordinated unions of how to negotiate with power. But they don't want you to know that. They want you to think, all I need to do is find the next Thomas Massey. All I need to do is find the next politician. And you will be bought into it. The more, the longer you buy into it, the more you'll be distracted uh from it. And so if you want to break the macro system, that's how to do it. Because that's the whole system. The system is debt. And the system is those assets. And you're in those assets. If you want to break the system, that's how it's done.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  But if we don't want to break the system, then we need decentralized communities with sovereign people, with sovereign businesses, with sovereign money, using jurisdictional arbitrage. Um. And playing the game as it is, because I think that there is a power structure that we can't change.

• 1:06:24Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm.

• 1:06:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Fascinating and very clear. Um, the reason that I got introduced to you was a mutual friend of ours told me that you have a hypothesis about who Satoshi is. So, speaking of people that make a lot of noise, people that don't know Satoshi is the pseudonym for the person that gave us Bitcoin. So, one, by way of bona fides, you got into Bitcoin very, very early. But I'd be very curious to know who you think it is and why you would have been close enough to it to have a credible opinion.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  I think a lot of people know who Satoshi is. Um, so I was, uh, when I left investment banking, um, I tried to create a fractional reserve bank. So I did the try and change the system from within.

• 1:07:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Was it a non fractional reserve bank?

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Um, did I say fractional?

• 1:07:20Tom Bilyeu?

  I think you did, yeah.

• 1:07:21Speaker 01

  Okay, thank you for correcting that. Um, yeah, so look, uh, I left the corporate in 2006.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  And, um, I learned all these constructs from direct experience in, in different areas of the investment bank.

• 1:07:40Speaker 01

  I then left to try and think, okay, what's the political solution here? And I realized that all the politicians are controlled by lobbies and FIC.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  So then I said, well, can I just create an alternative bank? And so, um, my wife and I tried to create an alternative bank in England. Uh, we got a meeting with the Bank of England. Um, and they said, you've got to deposit $16 million, uh, pound, sorry, to progress this plan.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  You're probably not the type of people we'd regulate, was the wording that they said. And you're going to have to build it on top of another bank because we ain't giving you a banking license unless you build it on top of another bank. And so I I realized you can't change the banking system. It's just more technology integrated into the same. It's very protected at the at the central banking level.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  And yeah, somebody invited me and he said, I got a message on Facebook, a guy called Johnny Bitcoin in two thousand and eleven and said, hey, I've sold my house. I've moved into a squat in an area in London called Old Street.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  And there's a bunch of developers that are working on this open source project called Bitcoin. Why don't you come along and check it out?

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  And so I I went to that squat in London. I met one of the very first developers, a guy called Amir Taki. And he invited me to speak at the first Bitcoin conference. I wrote a book, which was the first published book in the world to include Bitcoin. And I went all in and in investing in Bitcoin companies. So then companies couldn't get financed, but we end up investing in Coinbase, Kraken, Bitfinex, Circle, Robinhood, Bitstamp, about a hundred of the biggest companies in the sector.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  And but and I saw them all get subordinate to the FIC. You know, they Coinbase floated at a hundred billion dollars, completely subordinate to FIC, like you see them go through the structure. But at the roots of it, there was always the the the cypherpunk movement that this was, the ability to own your own money, spend your own money and have a value that beats central banking debasement.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  But yeah, I think the story of Satoshi is I do think it actually came from intelligence.

• 1:10:07Tom Bilyeu?

  Really?

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:10:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Yes. But something didn't go as it was meant to go. So if you look at the precursor to Bitcoin was DigiCash, which was created by David Chom. And David Chom wanted to create privacy transactions on top of banking. And he created the digital currency, but it was shut down because it was on top of banking infrastructure.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  At that time, he didn't go to prison.

• 1:10:41Tom Bilyeu?

  At that time.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. But he ended up a teacher at university in Netherlands. And for those who haven't figured out, university and college is another construct of FIC as well to control education system and funnel money into, you know, alternative agendas and build the workers they need.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Completely corrupted.

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  And the two of his students was someone called Len Sassman. And there was a company set up in Netherlands that also was connected to Hal Finney. Now, today, both Len Sassman and Hal Finney are dead.

• 1:11:30Speaker 01

  But I think that Satoshi Nakamoto, under the intelligence op of David Chom,

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  who were, we, the one that wrote the white paper was Len Sassman, is my opinion. And the first person that did the first Bitcoin transaction was Hal Finney. Now, if you look at the developer that they handed it over to, it was a guy called Gavin Andreessen. And you can, you can see when Satoshi decided to leave the project, it was when Gavin Andreessen said, I'm going to make the CIA. We've put a meeting with the CIA and I'm going to tell them about how Bitcoin works. Satoshi left the project at that point. This was also around the time when Julian Assange wanted to use it for WikiLeaks and we beat the financial blockade.

• 1:12:28Speaker 01

  And one month after that CIA meeting, Len Sassman allegedly committed suicide.

• 1:12:37Speaker 01

  Um, and a bit later, uh, we were told that Hal Finney um has a critical illness and is dead.

• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  Um, and Len Sassenman meets all of the credentials and the time zone and all the different things. He did have social media posts where he was kind of saying, uh, yeah, I'm not sure about Bitcoin and that that type of stuff. Um.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  But I think what Len Sassenman did was not what he was meant to do. Um, he open sourced the project. I don't think it was meant to be open source. I think this was meant to be a gateway drug for what we're having today, central bank digital currencies. And I've traced the entire history of Epstein's interaction um with different uh developers and compromised networks that he tried to infiltrate with Peter Thiel in two thousand and eleven and or and beyond.

• 1:13:35Tom Bilyeu?

  To try to pull Bitcoin back into the fold?

• 1:13:37Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah. Uh, there were many ops and I I would almost like to do a whole podcast on those different ops in Bitcoin because I was there and I saw them all and I saw what Brock Pierce tried to do.

• 1:13:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Um. What did Brock Pierce try to do?

• 1:13:53Speaker 01

  Well, Brock Pierce, I think, was uh Epstein's guy in the digital currency space. Um, and um, he tried to persuade me that um Satoshi Nakamoto was Dr. Craig Wright. Um, who's the guy that recently got a year in prison and I think, not sure if you heard it, for pretending to be Satoshi.

• 1:14:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  Um, and he ended up being an essential part of creating an alternative version of Bitcoin. Um, Brock Pierce also was the co-founder of a stablecoin called Tether. And Tether was later sold to a company called Bitfinex that I had invested in. Um. And um.

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  That stablecoin tether was the gateway drug for central bank digital currencies. And when Bitcoin went open source. Um. There were several attempts to create alternative versions and fork it off and confuse the community. Into going to a more centralized version of Bitcoin called Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Satoshi's Vision. Um. And I can trace back all the conversations and the developer that said. That had all the credibility Satoshi handed the key, you know, the development over to Gavin Andreessen. It was Gavin Andreessen that met with Dr. Craig Wright and said. This guy's cryptographically proven to me that he is Satoshi.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  And that was a lie. He hadn't.

• 1:15:29Speaker 01

  Um. And I can go through all the different people like. That led to these crypto market and VC funding. The crypto market, the stablecoin market, the central bank digital currency market is all a psyop. Venture capital funded, um, complete wealth extraction vehicle. Um. Complete degenerate gambling, um, ushering in a vital key by David Sacks. You know, who was introducing stablecoin policies and Genius Act and. All the programmable money that turns stablecoins into programmable.

• 1:16:11Speaker 01

  Um. Police and surveillance grids in the Bank Secrecy Act and Genius Act and Patriot Act and Clarity Act now. Uh. They want you doing everything but using Bitcoin. And there were several operations, Operation Choke Point two point O, various other things which we could. Go through all of them in a, in a different time if this is interest, um, interesting, there's too much to cover. Um, you know, to take us to the stablecoin alternative crypto gambling world. Uh, but Bitcoin in self custody. Still exists where there's twenty five thousand nodes. There's a distributed supercomputer. In fact, interestingly, Iran is the largest sovereign Bitcoin miner in the world.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  Powered by nuclear energy.

• 1:16:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Hmm.

• 1:17:00Speaker 01

  Which was always what this was about. It was never a nuclear weapon. It was always nuclear energy. Everything's about energy.

• 1:17:08Speaker 01

  Um, and we're resetting the world based upon energy right now. And what are they trying to do? They're trying to get you to own Bitcoin in a treasury company with Michael Saylor. They're trying to get you to own Bitcoin with BlackRock in an ETF. They're trying to get you to borrow against your Bitcoin through Cantor Fitzgerald and Howard Lutnick connected to the Epstein network. Uh, they're trying to get you to not own Bitcoin, to own crypto, to use stablecoins, to use central bank digital currencies, to put it in a Wall Street wrapper, to put it in a debt wrapper. Because the last thing they want is for you to own Bitcoin in self custody.

• 1:17:49Speaker 01

  And in the end, you realize that all of this shit around it. Is just like the, is to distract you around from the thing that actually. That actually makes a difference, that makes you sovereign, that allows you to escape the system. And has created a generation of incredibly wealthy people. That have able, that were able to remain sovereign. But um, I think Satoshi Nakamoto was um, Len Sassenman.

• 1:18:15Tom Bilyeu?

  There it is. Simon Dixon, goddamn, like, this was incredible. Where can people follow along with you?

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  Um, so I, what I, what I tend to do is I, I got a channel on YouTube, Simon Dixon twenty one, I think it is.

• 1:18:30Speaker 01

  And what I do is as a commitment for myself, I spend about four hours every Friday, where I go through everything that's happening in tech, Bitcoin, macroeconomics and geopolitics, and reinterpret through the lens of follow the money and how it's different from the media and what the politicians are saying. It's more for me. You can see that I, I, I got, you know, I do it as a discipline, but people that want to listen to the four hours, I, I do it every single week. And then I plug it into AI and get it to do five minutes, 15 minutes, and then I publish that all on my blog, simondixon.com. And then real time analysis, I'm on X, at Simon Dixon twit. That's about all I can manage.

• 1:19:13Tom Bilyeu?

  Fair enough. All right, boys and girls, if you have not already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.

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