The ‘Avatar: The Way of Water’ Watch-Along!

Sean, Amanda, and Chris visit Pandora and join the Na’vi to watch James Cameron’s ‘Avatar: The Way of Water’ in anticipation of his upcoming sequel, ‘Avatar: Fire and Ash.’ Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Producer: Jack Sanders Shopping. Streaming. Celebrating. It’s on Prime. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Sean Fennessey?

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• 0:46Sean Fennessey?

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• 1:02Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 1:04Sean Fennessey?

  And this is the Big Picture, a conversation show about Avatar, The Way of Water. Yes, CR is here. It has been 616 days since our last watch along podcast when we bravely embarked on all 189 minutes of Babylon last March. Do you remember that, Chris?

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Of course I do, yeah.

• 1:23Sean Fennessey?

  That episode was not filmed for video. And this episode is being filmed for video. We're going to top 189 minutes today with an even longer film, a bigger film in more ways than one. We're coming to you live by tape.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was gonna say.

• 1:39Sean Fennessey?

  To watch James Cameron's epic follow up to Avatar, which Chris Ryan has not seen.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:43Sean Fennessey?

  Chris has never seen Avatar.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  So no Avatar? Not in full. I saw Avatar bits and pieces. I've never seen Avatar: Way of Water.

• 1:49Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. So you're going to watch the sequel to that film with us.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:54Sean Fennessey?

  Hopefully ask some questions, hopefully.

• 1:56Speaker 01

  I was planning on just watching.

• 1:57Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. You might be asking yourself, why are we doing this right now? Well, the follow up to this film, Fire and Ash, is opening later this month. And last night, I'm in and I got a chance to see it.

• 2:10Amanda Dobbins?

  We did.

• 2:10Sean Fennessey?

  So the timing here is good for anybody who wants to freshen up on The Way of Water before learning about Fire and Ash.

• 2:16Amanda Dobbins?

  The timing would have been better if you and I did this before seeing Avatar Fire and Ash, but that's okay.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  I thought I was gonna have jury duty, so I couldn't do it.

• 2:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you on the hook all week?

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Kind of.

• 2:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, we'll talk about that.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  I'm also thinking about breaking the law.

• 2:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Okay, I have to read the instructions, because Sean can't see. If you want to literally watch along, you can stream it right now and listen along with us. The movie is available to stream for subscribers on Disney Plus, as well as Paramount Plus, and of course, available to rent on Apple, Amazon, Fandango at Home, or wherever you rent movies. In addition, Sean is willing to bet that many of you listening right now own this movie at home. That's between you and Sean.

• 2:54Sean Fennessey?

  4K.

• 2:55Amanda Dobbins?

  And your budgets. We will get to the live watch right after this.

• 3:01Amanda Dobbins?

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• 3:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, we are ready to begin. So if you want to watch along with us, that's great. We will count you down into it. If you don't want to re-watch this movie, but do want to listen to this three hour and 12 minute pod, you're a psycho, but we really appreciate your patronage. Here we go. We're gonna start now. Ready?

• 3:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:38Sean Fennessey?

  Five, four, three, two, one, press play.

• 3:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Nothing's happening. Oh, now something's happening.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  Twentieth Century Fox, one of Disney's great acquisitions.

• 3:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I think 20th-

• 3:51Sean Fennessey?

  You think that's been going well?

• 3:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Twentieth Century Studios.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:53Amanda Dobbins?

  You'll notice by the time The Way of Water was released in 2022.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  I think it's been a net positive for Disney.

• 4:01Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:01Sean Fennessey?

  What's been the best thing to come out of the acquisition?

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Romulus.

• 4:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yep, pretty much.

• 4:07Sean Fennessey?

  It's been good. What about, did you see the amateur? The film with Rami Malek?

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought that was cool.

• 4:11Sean Fennessey?

  You did?

• 4:12Speaker 01

  It was alright, yeah.

• 4:12Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I think it's pretty mid.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  You do that all the time, where you ask me if I've seen something? And you lead me in the direction of we're gonna high five about it, and then you're like, it was mid.

• 4:22Sean Fennessey?

  Chris, I need you to pay attention to the film.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:23Sean Fennessey?

  Right now, I think we're in the depths of Pandora.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Yes, which is an alien world.

• 4:29Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 4:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, okay, let's talk about it. Ooh.

• 4:33Amanda Dobbins?

  So that, that is Pandora. Is it a, it's an alien world, or is it a moon?

• 4:38Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, I think it's a planet.

• 4:39Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I, because I was rereading Zach Baron's interview with profile of James Cameron, yeah. Maybe you've heard of him. That was released in GQ for this film, and it identified Pandora as a moon.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:53Amanda Dobbins?

  And that shit goes through the content asked fact checkers, and they mean business.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Do I even dare ask a moon orbiting what planet, or?

• 5:01Amanda Dobbins?

  It did not specify that. Also, Jack just texted me to say that the TV's on mute, so we can unmute it if we want. The forests of Pandora hold many dangers, Chris. I'll read it for you until we unmute it. And they're breathing. So it's a moon with forests, which was about my understatement. There we go.

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I have been learning a lot about space, because my three-year-old is very into it. And he figured out where the space section in the local library is. So, but we haven't gotten to like, moon designations, and what makes you a moon rather than a planet? I guess it's gravitational.

• 5:35Sean Fennessey?

  We gotta really situate the listener here.

• 5:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Pandora isn't a moon?

• 5:38Sean Fennessey?

  Terry is on the screen, Chris doesn't know who that is, that's Zoe Saldana's character, she's pregnant.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  Head of the CIA's lioness program.

• 5:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I think she's no longer, I think the baby has been born.

• 5:47Sean Fennessey?

  The baby's been born.

• 5:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, cute baby. Yay, that's nice.

• 5:51Sean Fennessey?

  Right now, we're hearing from Jake Sully.

• 5:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 5:53Sean Fennessey?

  Who is-

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Paralyzed American soldier who was booted into like a Navi, right?

• 5:58Sean Fennessey?

  Correct. He was booted into a Navi, replacing his brother-

• 6:01Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 6:01Sean Fennessey?

  In the, the Navi program.

• 6:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 6:04Sean Fennessey?

  His brother, who was a scientist, who was not disabled. And because they shared the same genome, he, his brother replaced him after his brother died.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 6:14Sean Fennessey?

  And that's what led him to becoming a part of this world. He goes into this world, enters the Avatar, falls in love with Neteri and falls in love with the Navi culture.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Right. But is he able to participate in all this, like, fully? Or is he still like in a bed somewhere with a thing stuck into him?

• 6:29Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, he is now.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Like the Matrix?

• 6:31Sean Fennessey?

  I think, that's a great question. I can't remember.

• 6:34Amanda Dobbins?

  This is part of what I was asking you last night.

• 6:35Sean Fennessey?

  We do not see him in his human form.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  But he's not in a room somewhere with a tube into his back?

• 6:41Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so. I think he officially cuts the cord at the end of the conclusion of Avatar.

• 6:45Amanda Dobbins?

  But so, and also, this is an important.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  He kinda looks like Sai.

• 6:49Amanda Dobbins?

  He does, yeah. It's the cheeks, for sure. It does look like Sai. Um, but so, this was a point of clarification that I needed at the beginning of last night's screening. But so Pandora is like a real place, in the world of Avatar.

• 7:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 7:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Pandora is a real place.

• 7:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 7:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Where people can go, as opposed to a simulation.

• 7:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 7:10Amanda Dobbins?

  That is existing in the mind of the people and the pods.

• 7:13Sean Fennessey?

  The whole thrust of this is that this is a real place that humans travel to because there's a natural resource there called unobtanium.

• 7:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:21Sean Fennessey?

  That will help them transform technology and power the economy forevermore. It's incredibly valuable.

• 7:28Amanda Dobbins?

  There's, that's Spider.

• 7:29Sean Fennessey?

  That's Spider. That is the offspring of Corporal, no, Colonel Korch.

• 7:36Amanda Dobbins?

  He was orphaned by the war and raised by lab guys. It's telling us right now.

• 7:43Sean Fennessey?

  He's wearing a mask because he can't breathe in the Pandora in air.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:46Sean Fennessey?

  He is human, yes.

• 7:47Amanda Dobbins?

  But he's playing.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Is his dad Rubisi?

• 7:50Sean Fennessey?

  No. His father, you'll learn later in the film, is the Stephen Lang character.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 7:56Sean Fennessey?

  Korch, who was the heavy of the first film.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  And Zoe's like they

• 8:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Zoe Saldana is, yeah, not down for him.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:06Sean Fennessey?

  This is simultaneously the simplest movie of all time and the most complicated movie of all

• 8:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 8:10Sean Fennessey?

  There's a tremendous amount of lore.

• 8:12Amanda Dobbins?

  The genius of James Cameron.

• 8:14Sean Fennessey?

  All James Cameron movies, right? They have a lot of detail and a lot of specificity in the world, but also the stories are extremely simple.

• 8:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 8:21Sean Fennessey?

  The first film, you know, often compared to Dances with Wolves and Ferngully, the animated movie. This movie is different. This movie is much more of a family story.

• 8:30Amanda Dobbins?

  As we see.

• 8:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 8:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Cause Jake Sully is teaching.

• 8:33Sean Fennessey?

  Being a dad.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So, okay, Avatar one.

• 8:39Amanda Dobbins?

  The humans, AKA the skywalkers in the parlance of the Navi go.

• 8:46Sean Fennessey?

  Sky people.

• 8:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Sky people, right.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  I was wondering about that. That would be some copyright violation.

• 8:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 8:51Sean Fennessey?

  Well, they're all under the same umbrella now.

• 8:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Mommy rears her ugly.

• 8:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Thanks to the acquisition.

• 8:55Amanda Dobbins?

  So, so they show up on Pandora because they want an obtanium. And so it's sort of like military, uh, industrial complex type, you know, menace. And then Jake Sully takes over his brother's body and then falls in love with a Thierry. And then he leaves the human world and joins Pandora world.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  As a Navi.

• 9:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Full time. And that's kind of where we leave it, right?

• 9:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. The final shot of Avatar, which is sick, is when he wakes up.

• 9:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember.

• 9:26Sean Fennessey?

  Into the, I'm telling, I'm explaining to our friend Chris.

• 9:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Have you seen?

• 9:29Sean Fennessey?

  He's never seen the film.

• 9:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, which parts of Avatar one have you seen?

• 9:34Speaker 01

  I, I mean, it's mostly.

• 9:35Amanda Dobbins?

  In what context?

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Like the context of, oh, it's on a TV or there's an ad for it. Or maybe like I get some sort of short form video served to me about it.

• 9:43Sean Fennessey?

  Here's why Avatar one is one of the most CR movies ever made.

• 9:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 9:46Sean Fennessey?

  And I have a short list of things.

• 9:48Amanda Dobbins?

  It can vanish in a heartbeat. Happiness can vanish in a heartbeat. So their family, it'll is about to be interrupted by this large star.

• 9:54Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, one, this is a film about the complex feelings that

• 10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't, don't, don't.

• 10:00Sean Fennessey?

  Many American men have about the military industrial complex.

• 10:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 10:03Sean Fennessey?

  In that, it is a destructive force that ruins people's lives and destroys culture, but also

• 10:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 10:10Sean Fennessey?

  Heavy artillery is sick.

• 10:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:12Sean Fennessey?

  And this is one of James Cameron's fascinations and also one of yours. That's one of its primary interests. Secondarily, Giovanni Ribisi is in it, playing a sniveling guy who stands in front of transparent screens all day.

• 10:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 10:23Sean Fennessey?

  And he plays golf.

• 10:24Amanda Dobbins?

  He's, he's, but he, he's like the David Ellison of

• 10:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 10:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, the Avatar world.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  So he's super cool.

• 10:31Sean Fennessey?

  He, he is the, uh,

• 10:33Amanda Dobbins?

  He's responsible for everything that's good.

• 10:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, the offspring of an incredibly wealthy man who is attempting to

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Colonize.

• 10:40Sean Fennessey?

  Colonize these nations.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 10:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so a new ship is landing here. Oh, many, because we see more in the distance.

• 10:46Sean Fennessey?

  I don't even remember this part.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  I imagine that watching this on a flat screen television with lights shining in my eyes is not the ideal way to receive it, but I have to say, it looks pretty cool.

• 10:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 10:59Amanda Dobbins?

  We're like five minutes in, the animals are shrieking.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Why are they burning this place?

• 11:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, they're landing and they don't have respect for the natural world of Pandora.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck.

• 11:09Sean Fennessey?

  Also, due to the incredibly traumatic events of the first film, they're attempting to kind of seek revenge on the Na'vi.

• 11:16Amanda Dobbins?

  So what are the traumatic events of the first film for the, um, military guys?

• 11:21Sean Fennessey?

  The humans are turned away by the Na'vi, um, in an epic battle, in like a classic Cameron third act finale battle.

• 11:28Amanda Dobbins?

  And so, do they get any unobtanium, or?

• 11:31Sean Fennessey?

  Not nearly as much as they would like, which is what, where we learned that there's another natural resource in this film.

• 11:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, here are these guys.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Mech suits, right?

• 11:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, so these are, you know, Chris, you're a fan of the power loader? This is another thing, another reason why these movies are CR-coded. Now, these power loaders are digitally rendered.

• 11:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 11:50Speaker 01

  I love that you think that a power loader is the number one thing.

• 11:54Sean Fennessey?

  That's number three.

• 11:55Speaker 01

  Are there power loaders in train dreams?

• 11:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 11:59Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, number four is, I know that you think it would be awesome to be eight feet tall and married to Zoe Saldana. Like that is-

• 12:08Speaker 01

  I don't even need to be eight feet tall for that.

• 12:09Sean Fennessey?

  But it would help.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:10Sean Fennessey?

  Like, it wouldn't hurt.

• 12:11Speaker 01

  I think six, two would be cool.

• 12:14Amanda Dobbins?

  But you'd still look short. Next to the, so the Navi are taller, so you wanna have-

• 12:19Speaker 01

  But I actually wanna be married to like lioness Zoe Saldana.

• 12:21Amanda Dobbins?

  They're also like-

• 12:22Speaker 01

  Not-

• 12:22Sean Fennessey?

  But what if your skin was blue? Would you be more attracted to a blue person?

• 12:25Speaker 01

  No, it has nothing to do with the skin tone. It's just like, I just find her character in that show to be enigmatic.

• 12:30Amanda Dobbins?

  What's, where did she leave things, that character?

• 12:33Speaker 01

  Um, she continually tries to promise her husband, Dave Anabel, who's a surgeon.

• 12:38Amanda Dobbins?

  One year later, just wanna let you know, time wise.

• 12:41Speaker 01

  So like, the humans have landed, the family is traumatized.

• 12:44Sean Fennessey?

  They're under attack.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  The house is on fire. Gotcha.

• 12:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  She keeps promising them that he, she's gonna prioritize her family, but she can't leave behind the women she's trained in the lioness program.

• 12:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Much like myself. That's why I'm still here watching Avatar, the Way of Water with you assholes. Okay.

• 13:00Sean Fennessey?

  You can't leave behind the Navi.

• 13:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's right. Who's that?

• 13:05Sean Fennessey?

  This is-

• 13:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, ooh, this man just punched somebody.

• 13:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, so this is Corrit, Stephen Lang's character.

• 13:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:12Speaker 01

  That is?

• 13:12Sean Fennessey?

  And he has been-

• 13:13Speaker 01

  Trans- transformed.

• 13:15Amanda Dobbins?

  He's-

• 13:15Sean Fennessey?

  He has been, his, his consciousness has been moved into this Navi body. He, he died at the end of the last film, as far as I know, and

• 13:27Sean Fennessey?

  this is one of his colleagues.

• 13:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 13:29Sean Fennessey?

  Who was a soldier in the previous film.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  So they now have some bad Navi.

• 13:34Sean Fennessey?

  Exactly.

• 13:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly.

• 13:34Sean Fennessey?

  The new heavy is sort of the revived versions of these characters. Their consciousness has been, has been implanted.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  And Wayne, Wayne Fr-

• 13:42Sean Fennessey?

  Wingrove.

• 13:43Speaker 01

  Wingrove?

• 13:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 13:48Amanda Dobbins?

  His consciousness and also their tattoos.

• 13:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think, and I think their natural instincts towards violence and domination.

• 13:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, cool.

• 13:56Sean Fennessey?

  Which is, you know, I, once again, a, a, a classic camera, Cameronian comment on.

• 14:02Speaker 01

  Do you guys make the distinction here where you're like, when you're watching this, is it translating to your brain as like animated? Or is it translating to your brain as something else?

• 14:11Sean Fennessey?

  Funny you should ask.

• 14:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 14:13Sean Fennessey?

  Before the screening last night.

• 14:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 14:15Sean Fennessey?

  Of Fire and Dash, there was a 90 second introduction.

• 14:19Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 14:20Sean Fennessey?

  Three minutes?

• 14:21Amanda Dobbins?

  At least five minutes.

• 14:22Sean Fennessey?

  Five minute, five minute introduction from James Cameron.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  Filmed or in person?

• 14:26Sean Fennessey?

  Filmed. That specifically detailed.

• 14:29Amanda Dobbins?

  If Big Jim were there explaining this technology to me, you would have heard about it by now.

• 14:34Sean Fennessey?

  He recorded a video and they showed a lot of BTS of the making of the third film and the ways in which humans make everything in the movie.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 14:42Sean Fennessey?

  And it was kind of an anti generative AI.

• 14:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 14:45Sean Fennessey?

  Explanation, but also showing the ways in which motion capture performance is so critical to these movies. So like when you're watching Koritch there and he's a Na'vi, that is Lang.

• 14:55Speaker 01

  I don't doubt it.

• 14:56Sean Fennessey?

  Giving the performance.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:57Sean Fennessey?

  You know, and the, what they show you actually, I thought it was pretty cool.

• 14:59Amanda Dobbins?

  It was very cool.

• 15:00Sean Fennessey?

  The way they showed the motion capture performance.

• 15:01Amanda Dobbins?

  It was a little taken out of.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  Oh, Giovanni.

• 15:04Amanda Dobbins?

  The magic of.

• 15:07Amanda Dobbins?

  It, it's now harder to watch these and not think about the people in the empty room with the motion capture dots on their face when I'm watching this. And I did also feel like.

• 15:17Sean Fennessey?

  I don't feel that.

• 15:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, that it made me more aware of all of the creation of like the world around it because you see these performances and these, they're just in a warehouse with a lot of cameras, you know? And, um, so it's amazing of what they build, but I found myself spending more time being like, oh, okay, that looks pretty real and that looks, you know, not real. And that looks animated and that looks whatever. So, yeah, he said no generative AI was used like 50 times. In that 2022 piece by Zach Baron, there's like.

• 15:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Cameron says there's a lot of AI in this multiple times, which I thought was very interesting. So the generative doing a ton of work.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 16:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 16:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  So he doesn't just say.

• 16:07Sean Fennessey?

  It's human led.

• 16:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:08Sean Fennessey?

  Is what's is what's most critical there.

• 16:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:10Sean Fennessey?

  That is just the explanation of sort of like a recorded video the Korch made explaining to his clone.

• 16:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 16:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:15Sean Fennessey?

  That he has his consciousness.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  That Rizzi downloaded his personality and his memories into a Roku stick.

• 16:20Amanda Dobbins?

  They're flying.

• 16:21Sean Fennessey?

  Would you would you go into an Avi body after you die?

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, for sure.

• 16:26Sean Fennessey?

  You would, would you, Amanda?

• 16:27Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  But I would know.

• 16:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I just like, listen.

• 16:30Sean Fennessey?

  Would you, will you be buried or burned?

• 16:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Definitely burned.

• 16:34Sean Fennessey?

  Burned, me too.

• 16:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Cremated?

• 16:36Sean Fennessey?

  Burnt, fire and ash.

• 16:37Amanda Dobbins?

  And but then ashes spread at sea.

• 16:41Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you'll be buried at sea, but full body, as we discussed.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  On an ice floe.

• 16:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Dude shooting arrows at me?

• 16:46Sean Fennessey?

  We'll make you the arrow, the flaming arrow and shoot you into the sea.

• 16:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Speaking of being like full body buried at sea, so I um, I did pull together a lot of ocean facts for later in the episode when we run out of things to talk about. But one of them was that there are just like hundreds of thousands of buried, like, you know, coffins and bodies decomposing at the bottom of our oceans, among many other things. But because all of these people are like, no, I need like my whole body to be sent down to the sea.

• 17:14Sean Fennessey?

  So there's bones at this point.

• 17:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Think about that the next time you go swimming.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  So that's where Bin Laden is.

• 17:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 17:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. That's where, I mean, that's where Megatron is. I was explaining this to you.

• 17:22Speaker 01

  Uh, he had a, I don't think so.

• 17:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, what is Megatron made up of? Like the material?

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Do you think Megatron and Bin Laden are like right next to each other?

• 17:30Sean Fennessey?

  He's a cybernetic uh, robot alien.

• 17:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, but so like, is the material decomposing?

• 17:35Sean Fennessey?

  I doubt it.

• 17:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Is Megatron responsible for microplastics?

• 17:39Sean Fennessey?

  I don't believe so. I believe he's more.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  I think I am.

• 17:42Sean Fennessey?

  I think he's more of a fascist dictator robot.

• 17:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I forgot to turn my watch back from Philadelphia.

• 17:48Sean Fennessey?

  These aerial creatures, the only way that you can fly them is to build a bond with them via the tendrils in your hair.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  So dragon style, yeah.

• 17:56Sean Fennessey?

  Dragon, it's very similar.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, to Game of Thrones. Another thing I think you would like is some great flying shit in this, in these movies.

• 18:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's pretty good. They're good at flying.

• 18:03Speaker 01

  They've, I assume, started an insurgency against the military occupation here.

• 18:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so, but they're using guns because Jake Sully used to be a marine.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Why were they not supposed to use guns?

• 18:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, because-

• 18:15Sean Fennessey?

  They just didn't have that technology on this planet. This was Pandora, a very spiritual place, a place about peace-

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 18:23Sean Fennessey?

  And relationship between-

• 18:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Run by the warrior mother?

• 18:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, a very, a very-

• 18:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Though I don't know whether we learned that in, well, yes, sort of.

• 18:32Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Awa is a, is a female goddess.

• 18:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, I mean, that's true, but-

• 18:35Sean Fennessey?

  You know, we have a lioness and a goddess.

• 18:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 18:38Sean Fennessey?

  These creatures, I don't remember what they're called, these kind of horse dinosaurs?

• 18:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Horse dragons, okay.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  How much of what I'm watching right now, which is a fairly well-rendered action scene, I guess, like, did you guys see this in 3D when you first saw it?

• 18:52Sean Fennessey?

  So this is the point I was gonna make.

• 18:56Sean Fennessey?

  You have to see these movies in 3D.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  I can't watch 3D movies.

• 18:59Sean Fennessey?

  I know. And so this is a huge challenge.

• 19:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I'll be honest, like, I guess you have to in the sense that you must see the artist's vision in the way that it's meant to be rendered. It just looks like watching a video game to me, you know?

• 19:12Sean Fennessey?

  I completely disagree. I could not disagree more. Cause I just watched Avatar at Home two nights ago, and I was like, this is flat. This does not feel-

• 19:21Speaker 01

  Right, immersive.

• 19:21Sean Fennessey?

  Like it has the dimension that it is hoping, it is attempting to have. For example, this sequence in space would just look tremendously better if it felt like that satellite was-

• 19:31Speaker 01

  And even like, I assume a shot like this with that much like-

• 19:33Sean Fennessey?

  The light, yes.

• 19:37Sean Fennessey?

  So candidly, I, last night watching the movie, I was like, this is dramatically better, especially in the action sequences than watching the action, action sequences at home.

• 19:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree with you in the sense that it is, I mean, it's just showing off what they are doing, technologically speaking, and the way that the shots and the action are designed and meant to be seen. I get all of it, but like, I was like, I'm watching a different product that is, and in a-

• 20:02Sean Fennessey?

  I hear what you're saying. To me, that is actually the one thing that makes it feel not like a video game cutscene. Like, when I'm watching it in this environment, it does, it's hard to argue with what you're saying, Chris, that it doesn't feel like a more rendered world when you're watching it on a TV. On a big screen with the glasses, I feel like I'm being transported into the world.

• 20:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Gotcha.

• 20:20Sean Fennessey?

  That was my big testimony about the first film, which I loved when it came out.

• 20:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that that's true, and I think there are also parts of the third that feel, and you turned to me in one part in particular, I was like, that was amazing. There are a lot of battle sequences in the third that just start to feel like I'm, they, they look like a first person shooter commercial that I have watched on TV many times. But that's weird, you know, the third movie, we'll talk about it when it comes out.

• 20:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  So this is their base, their camp?

• 20:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 20:51Amanda Dobbins?

  High camp.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 20:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:53Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think you have to understand as much. I think it's a, it's a real feel it kind of movie.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 20:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so Spider is a grown up now, I guess, or a teen?

• 21:03Speaker 01

  He's a teen. It's a year later, so he's probably like 12, 13, I imagine.

• 21:07Sean Fennessey?

  One of the real mind fucks of the movie is the character of Kiri.

• 21:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 21:12Sean Fennessey?

  Who is a teenage girl.

• 21:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:13Sean Fennessey?

  Who's portrayed in the film by Sigourney Weaver.

• 21:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 21:17Sean Fennessey?

  She's a critical to this story. Sigourney Weaver is in the first film as a very powerful scientist who was running the Pandora program on behalf of this evil corporation. But she is more of an ecological, you know, scientific figure of good. And she suffers a fateful end, but is sort of like transformed into the body. It's like her soul is transformed.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  But not her consciousness and not her scientific knowledge?

• 21:46Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 21:47Sean Fennessey?

  No, so she sounds and sort of looks like Sigourney Weaver, but she isn't her.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 21:55Sean Fennessey?

  But she's also a part of this family, though I guess perhaps not a blood relative that is explained to her in depth in the future.

• 22:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Lur, but so the transformation is in one?

• 22:08Sean Fennessey?

  No, I don't think so.

• 22:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it in two?

• 22:11Sean Fennessey?

  I think we learn about it here in this film. Is, am I watching Curie here?

• 22:14Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 22:15Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so I don't know why you said that already.

• 22:18Sean Fennessey?

  Because everybody who's listening to this either is, has seen the film already.

• 22:21Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't know that.

• 22:22Sean Fennessey?

  Except for Chris.

• 22:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe they're watching it for the first time.

• 22:24Sean Fennessey?

  You think people are watching this for the first time while we yammer over it? That's an insane way to watch this.

• 22:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, people do all sorts of crazy things. You know? Maybe they also don't remember and they want to experience the magic again for the first time.

• 22:38Sean Fennessey?

  Then just go watch it and don't listen. Do you find, did you find that Avatar stuck with you?

• 22:43Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I literally last night, as, as it showed up, I was like asking Sean very basic questions about how the Pandora world works and who these people are and whatever. I remember nothing.

• 22:54Sean Fennessey?

  I am not an expert, but part of my point about the 3D experience was, one of the reasons why I think these movies get a lot of flack for not having like cultural impact, which we can talk about some more later, is because they are best experienced in theaters. People see them in theaters, they're a ride. Yeah, they're like a ride. And then they're not really revisited at home.

• 23:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Which, which is, which is true. Uh, I'm realizing that I made a, it's, it's his job to do what? Oh, are they fighting about, uh, guns and stuff? And, and battle?

• 23:24Sean Fennessey?

  Is that Jake?

• 23:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's Jake.

• 23:26Sean Fennessey?

  Jake and Nateri are married.

• 23:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm team Nateri on this.

• 23:31Sean Fennessey?

  You know, Jake has a lot of Western ideas about civil responsibility, violence versus pacifism, spirituality versus, uh, secularism.

• 23:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 23:43Sean Fennessey?

  What, how far into the future?

• 23:45Amanda Dobbins?

  So where are the, who, where are these people right now?

• 23:47Sean Fennessey?

  They're, they're camp. They're in, they're in their base camp.

• 23:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, but I thought this was-

• 23:51Sean Fennessey?

  These are all the scientists who were working with them in the first film. And they've all kind of moved over to the side of the Nazi. So they have to wear face masks all the time. They have to wear face masks in this world, yeah.

• 23:59Amanda Dobbins?

  But so where are they right now?

• 24:00Sean Fennessey?

  Just in a, in a building that they've built, like an outpost.

• 24:03Amanda Dobbins?

  But so, okay, so are these the same people that we saw as like- What's happening?

• 24:10Sean Fennessey?

  Some of these people are born Navi, some of them are using their Navi pods to

• 24:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 24:16Sean Fennessey?

  To use, they're using their avatars.

• 24:18Amanda Dobbins?

  But then the Navi can come back into where the pods are?

• 24:21Sean Fennessey?

  I guess so.

• 24:22Amanda Dobbins?

  But like-

• 24:22Sean Fennessey?

  That's a good question about the breathing situation.

• 24:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, but also-

• 24:25Sean Fennessey?

  Are they breathing oxygen in here or what?

• 24:26Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's like, why would you use a Navi pod to go be a Navi if the Navi can just come in and talk to you? You know what I mean? Or why would-

• 24:34Sean Fennessey?

  So that you don't have to wear masks? And so that you can live inside the world-

• 24:38Speaker 01

  That's Sigourney Weaver?

• 24:38Sean Fennessey?

  That's Sigourney Weaver, yes. That's like, that's essentially her. And see, this is Kiri.

• 24:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, but so how are they related?

• 24:45Sean Fennessey?

  She is effectively like a spiritual clone.

• 24:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay, all right, hold on, this is important.

• 24:51Sean Fennessey?

  And you guys can watch, but we are recording a podcast right now.

• 24:53Amanda Dobbins?

  No, well, this is a, so she is explaining. But, and she's relating to her because she knows that that's the living version of the person in the gel.

• 25:07Sean Fennessey?

  Kiri doesn't know that right now. But they have a psychic, they share a psychic consciousness.

• 25:11Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, does she know that this video Sigourney Weaver is related to the person in the gel?

• 25:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 25:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, okay.

• 25:19Sean Fennessey?

  It's just the same woman.

• 25:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it gel? That's what it's, uh, that's confirmed.

• 25:22Sean Fennessey?

  That is the doctor's corpse, yeah.

• 25:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Um, and Spider is best buds with all these guys?

• 25:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. He is like the foster son in this family.

• 25:31Amanda Dobbins?

  It doesn't seem like the lab has a lot of like, protocols. Do you know what I mean? In terms of scientific-

• 25:38Speaker 01

  So presumably they're over like, hundreds of years into the future though, maybe they've just figured that stuff out.

• 25:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so they don't have to worry about like, microbiomes and stuff? I mean, I don't know if I think that's true.

• 25:47Sean Fennessey?

  You don't, you don't hear a lot about Navi catching the whooping cough or anything like that, you know?

• 25:52Speaker 01

  Although-

• 25:53Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's also just like, what if someone gets their, you know, grungy stuff into her gel? You know?

• 25:59Speaker 01

  But it's pretty sealed.

• 26:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, until it's not. They're just walking willy-nilly.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  We're talking about microplastics? We're talking about biomes?

• 26:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I told you.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  Grungy stuff.

• 26:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I told you, I did some scientific research.

• 26:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's about to be the boomerang theory politically for Amanda. We're like, we're an inch away from getting all the way to the other side.

• 26:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I'm, while we're speaking of microbiomes and stuff, um, I realized I made a colossal error, which is I left my yogurt in my bag. Is there someone?

• 26:24Speaker 01

  You can go get it.

• 26:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Can I go get it?

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but then I gotta go around and I don't have a spoon. So can someone, is there someone listening who can bring me a spoon?

• 26:31Sean Fennessey?

  No, just get up and get it. What are you doing? You want your butler jeeves to come in here?

• 26:37Speaker 01

  We can really talk.

• 26:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. I know that there's a huge visual psychic barrier for you in accepting animation.

• 26:48Speaker 01

  I am, I'm, I'll be serious. Like what I said in the, uh, clip, the

• 26:55Sean Fennessey?

  Your viral clip.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Podcast moment that we had. I think a lot of it has to do with like

• 27:00Sean Fennessey?

  Have you been?

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Feeling robbed of other James Cameron work by this project.

• 27:05Sean Fennessey?

  And many people share that opinion. I think

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Or did they, did they pick up that opinion after I said it? After I showed them it was okay?

• 27:12Sean Fennessey?

  With respect, Chris, this movie came out three years ago and in between this movie and the previous movie was 13 years.

• 27:20Sean Fennessey?

  So I think a lot of people thought about maybe the time that had gone by without a James Cameron movie. I, that, that's the other reason is freaking Edie Falco plays a general in this film. Who is a woman that you would throw your life away for.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's true.

• 27:36Sean Fennessey?

  They're, they're keep, the, the, the ledger

• 27:38Speaker 01

  So this is Edie Falco walking in your stilts here?

• 27:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 27:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, she's the general.

• 27:42Sean Fennessey?

  Power loader. She's Coridge's boss.

• 27:48Sean Fennessey?

  She also forgot that she appeared in this film and was interviewed recently and she didn't remember that she'd done it.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  No, come on. That's bullshit. I hate when people do that.

• 27:56Sean Fennessey?

  This was something that happened in 2022?

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Do you, I mean, you, you probably do, but I'm finding people are starting to be a little

• 28:03Sean Fennessey?

  Performatively.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  Performatively offline.

• 28:07Sean Fennessey?

  Oh.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  Actors who were like, I had no idea. Am I in that film?

• 28:11Sean Fennessey?

  You're going the other way? You're saying like, I remember every pot I've ever done?

• 28:14Speaker 01

  I'm not saying that, but I I'm saying like, yeah, there were some times where I'm like, oh, I completely forgot. We did this on big picture rewatchables with watch or something like that. But I do remember, I think I would remember being in New Zealand, making Avatar.

• 28:28Sean Fennessey?

  What's the worst episode of the watch you've ever made?

• 28:30Speaker 01

  Oh, there's definitely a couple.

• 28:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, do you know about parent and sisters yogurt?

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Is this a a a sponsored content moment?

• 28:39Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's not. I'd love to be sponsored by them. This is the best fucking yogurt I've ever had in my life. It's from Pennsylvania, uh, though I don't know where in Pennsylvania. Well, listen, it's.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  And what kind of flavors you got going here?

• 28:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Banana peach. Talking about like hardware. What do you want from me? Like, they're gonna have a problem with the Navi. The Navi are gonna, you know, fight back. Like, will they get the unobtanium?

• 29:02Amanda Dobbins?

  She's it's fine. Like, we know what's going on.

• 29:04Sean Fennessey?

  You think that's less germane than this Pennsylvania yogurt?

• 29:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I know that.

• 29:08Sean Fennessey?

  You have a yogurt mouth while talking on a podcast.

• 29:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm hungry. I need protein. It's a three hour podcast. You said I could do whatever I want. And like, I truly can't tell you how good this yogurt is. Like, I know you don't do dairy anymore.

• 29:22Sean Fennessey?

  I don't.

• 29:22Amanda Dobbins?

  And do you still have Greek yogurt?

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Every morning.

• 29:24Amanda Dobbins?

  This is technically skier.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Christopher, like, go buy some. They sell the large plain. I honestly can't believe how good it is.

• 29:33Sean Fennessey?

  That's Pete Hegseth's favorite yogurt, too.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 29:38Amanda Dobbins?

  And I'm mostly out on like, really bulking with protein, but this shit's good.

• 29:42Speaker 01

  What are you talking about?

• 29:46Sean Fennessey?

  There's like, speaking of psychic breaks, there is like an ongoing Amanda psychic break where she's like, everything's fine. You guys are the weird ones, which is just clearly not the case.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  Talking about yogurt 11 minutes into Avatar.

• 29:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm hungry.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  This is also what's gonna happen is she's gonna completely burn herself out. Hour two, she goes down.

• 30:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  That's when we start talking about Lane Kiffin. Are we getting back into rap?

• 30:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited about Lane Kiffin.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  I start reading Guardian US Politics Live blog aloud. That's what it lifts off here.

• 30:16Sean Fennessey?

  See, R and I did a solid 10 minutes on new music like an hour ago. And I felt like we were at The Magician in 2006. It was just like, have you heard this yet? Have you heard this yet? I haven't been in that place in a long time.

• 30:27Speaker 01

  About our tastes or about albums that have come out?

• 30:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, about me, sorry. I thought you guys were just talking over me like you normally do.

• 30:36Speaker 01

  I have some questions about that.

• 30:37Amanda Dobbins?

  My yogurt, it's just like, I really can't tell you how life changing this yogurt is. And I think more people need to know about. No, about new music that I've been reading about.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  What happens if they do say this, this lady, she's.

• 30:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Is this MAGA or Maha?

• 30:50Speaker 01

  No, no. If the Painter and Sisters yogurt people.

• 30:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they're the Painter Sisters.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  And they're like, you know what?

• 30:59Amanda Dobbins?

  They're fourth generation dairy farmers in Pennsylvania. I mean, outlook like not the best for the politics based on what I know. But it is, you know, delicious and women.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  What happens if they send you 6,000 cartons of that? And like now you've got a house full of yogurt.

• 31:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I don't, I'll give it out. Maybe I'll just like set up a little.

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Like Mino Brown.

• 31:20Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely.

• 31:26Amanda Dobbins?

  There's so much yogurt consumed in my home that there's like, we have a yogurt shelf in the fridge.

• 31:32Sean Fennessey?

  Have you guys gone to see Yogurt Santa? She's been giving away yogurt.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:36Sean Fennessey?

  All throughout the land for months.

• 31:38Amanda Dobbins?

  No one in the family is allowed to eat this yogurt but me because it's too expensive for the little kids' palates.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  That's generous.

• 31:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Knox tried it once and really liked it. Anyway, no.

• 31:50Sean Fennessey?

  This gets better and better, this story.

• 31:53Amanda Dobbins?

  What happened to Kiri?

• 31:55Sean Fennessey?

  She was, she was napping in the, in the grass. This is actually a slow, it was actually a good moment.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  Kiri and this kid Spider, they, they beef a little bit, but there's probably something, a little spark, young love going on.

• 32:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, there's definitely some, there's definitely something between them.

• 32:07Amanda Dobbins?

  What's up with the floating jellyfish or the flying jellyfish?

• 32:10Speaker 01

  Even I know that's a staple of Pandora.

• 32:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, you do, but like, what are their functions?

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Not everything in nature has a function.

• 32:17Sean Fennessey?

  That's kind of in the what is her legend area of question.

• 32:19Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, that life is a delicate ecosystem.

• 32:22Sean Fennessey?

  It's honestly.

• 32:23Amanda Dobbins?

  And everybody's playing.

• 32:24Speaker 01

  Cause you're introducing as much mature scur yogurt as you as humanly possible.

• 32:31Amanda Dobbins?

  There's so many probiotics. Did you start a probiotic?

• 32:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 32:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought you said you were going to.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 32:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 32:37Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 32:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Am I probiotic?

• 32:38Sean Fennessey?

  Did you use cocaine before the beginning of this pod? You're on a rail right now, flying.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  One thing that I'm experimenting with right now is, uh, doing nothing different in my life.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Except lifting with no preparation three times a week, like no stretching, no eating beforehand.

• 33:02Sean Fennessey?

  This is something you're doing now?

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Like, so for, for the first few weeks of lifting, I was like, I should stretch. I should get ready or whatever. And now I did it a couple of times and I was like, I feel pretty good afterwards.

• 33:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so.

• 33:17Sean Fennessey?

  What happened to Chris? Oh, he tore both rotator cuffs simultaneously.

• 33:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I, like, what kind of lifting, like bench presses? Like, what are we doing here? Free weight, okay.

• 33:26Sean Fennessey?

  Just like heavy lifts.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, sumo squats, uh.

• 33:31Sean Fennessey?

  Can you not do that?

• 33:33Speaker 01

  Sumo squats are dope.

• 33:35Sean Fennessey?

  Who's your first call? You're prone on your back.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Always you, always you. Dead body in a desert. I need you to dig a hole. It's, you're calling you.

• 33:42Sean Fennessey?

  Are you being serious?

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:44Sean Fennessey?

  That's honestly the nicest thing you've ever said to me and I will dig with you.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  No, I know, but I think if I'm like, hey, there's like a post hardcore band that also interpolated some techno elements. Would you like to go see them? You'd be like, no, I'm sorry.

• 33:56Sean Fennessey?

  I would never, no.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  But if I was like, I fucking killed a guy and I need you to help me cover it up.

• 34:01Sean Fennessey?

  I am your Michael Clayton, no question about it. Uh, but I do not want to spend any social time with you.

• 34:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I mean, I am like a little hurt, but that's fine.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  No, I think you would actually be a pretty ride or die as well in that case.

• 34:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 34:12Sean Fennessey?

  Ride or die what? You dropped a word there.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Ride, ride or die. Homie, woman, lady, gal.

• 34:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Who do you think would be better at digging a hole right now, just fitness wise?

• 34:23Speaker 01

  You.

• 34:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  You're just like, you're 90% yogurt.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  The power of skr.

• 34:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I'm doing heavyweight Pilates, but then it's more free weights for me, but I'll do like a pickup free weight situation.

• 34:38Sean Fennessey?

  Seriously, how many holes have you dug in your life? Have you dug one hole? You've never dug a hole in your life?

• 34:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, to plant our lemon tree that won't grow any lemons.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Did you have like a?

• 34:47Amanda Dobbins?

  What, what is that? Why do you think I can't dig a hole?

• 34:50Sean Fennessey?

  Cause that's not your thing. You're not, you're not a manual labor person. You never have been. It's not.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Honestly, that's gender norms too, though.

• 35:00Sean Fennessey?

  I know Amanda very well.

• 35:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Excuse me, what about the manual labor of growing two fucking children?

• 35:04Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there was manual birth.

• 35:06Amanda Dobbins?

  And then carrying them up and down.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Well.

• 35:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's, that's very rude.

• 35:10Sean Fennessey?

  Let's dig a hole right now.

• 35:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, let's go.

• 35:12Sean Fennessey?

  Jack, get some dirt in here.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  So this is could probably be the first attack of Stephen Lang's homies, right? Is that what we're building up to?

• 35:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, they're like, they're monitoring them and they're trying to figure out how they're living. So the, the former Corich is basically like Jake Sully is your all time enemy. No matter what happens, you have to kill Jake Sully.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 35:33Sean Fennessey?

  So that the Corich Navi.

• 35:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh oh.

• 35:37Sean Fennessey?

  Is singularly obsessed.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Oh, now, this is their first, like, yo, what's up? There are not bad Nabis now.

• 35:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 35:48Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, I just want to note that we're like 30 minutes in and have not seen any water, so just.

• 35:54Sean Fennessey?

  A really good note.

• 35:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:56Sean Fennessey?

  We're not, we have not yet learned the way. Well, this is, you know, they can't stay here. That's kind of what they're showing us right now.

• 36:04Amanda Dobbins?

  You keep spoiling the movie before they get there.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  This is fucked up.

• 36:06Sean Fennessey?

  This is not, if this is your first time watching it, I just think that's such a weird way to watch it.

• 36:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I, people do all sorts of weird things.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Is this like Spider's dumb side mission?

• 36:14Sean Fennessey?

  This is just the kids, yeah.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  Man, you hate that.

• 36:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 36:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you don't want to see that.

• 36:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 36:19Sean Fennessey?

  But this is what it's like, you know? You come over to my house, you know, Knox and Sire there. They're doing whatever the F they want to do.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:27Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Jumping off a couch 302 times.

• 36:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. It's just something that happens, you know? It's like, it's like them running through the

• 36:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Happens.

• 36:34Sean Fennessey?

  The forest of Pandora.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 36:37Sean Fennessey?

  Also, some of these kids are basically teenagers, too. So they're sort of like babysitting the younger ones.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I mean, this is good acting in, you know, digital makeup.

• 36:46Sean Fennessey?

  I think the kids are good.

• 36:48Amanda Dobbins?

  The kids, ah, I don't know how I feel about the kids, but the grownups are good.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Have the kids been making these movies for 15 years? Or do they run different kids in there?

• 36:55Sean Fennessey?

  They shot two and three consecutively.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 37:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so who's running your weightlifting program? Like, where are you getting the?

• 37:04Speaker 01

  I have, I have people overseeing it.

• 37:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:06Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 37:07Sean Fennessey?

  People overseeing it?

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:08Sean Fennessey?

  Like, the Department of Defense or?

• 37:13Amanda Dobbins?

  These guys?

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Kristi Noem is spotting me.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  That would be good generative AI. Kristi Noem is my bodybuilding instructor.

• 37:24Sean Fennessey?

  She's in full suit.

• 37:27Speaker 01

  Don't worry, Chris. This is Department of Homeland Security.

• 37:30Sean Fennessey?

  She's in a red pants suit, like, door knockers on, but she's holding the bar for you.

• 37:37Speaker 01

  Or I just have Edie Falco in a mech suit, holding a gun.

• 37:40Sean Fennessey?

  With a butt in her mouth.

• 37:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Spider? Oh, that's his son.

• 37:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:49Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right, so.

• 37:50Sean Fennessey?

  He sees something in this boy.

• 37:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, and he's like, oh, it's Luke, you, I am your father.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  That's funny.

• 37:58Amanda Dobbins?

  They can't put babies in cryo. Is that how, so that's how you get back to it?

• 38:02Speaker 01

  I gotta be completely honest with you, that yogurt is quite fragrant.

• 38:08Sean Fennessey?

  He just politely said you stink.

• 38:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  No, no, not you, I just like.

• 38:11Amanda Dobbins?

  It's the peach.

• 38:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I, like, I would throw it away, but I don't know where to. I got locked out, by the way, when I went out. So when you guys go to the bathroom, take your key card or have someone let me?

• 38:20Sean Fennessey?

  You guys know how Louis CK is back?

• 38:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:22Sean Fennessey?

  He's like, he's back and like, accepted into society, like, he was reviewed in The New Yorker and The New York Times and whatnot. My favorite Louis CK bit was always the one where he was like, I have a peach! You guys remember that one? That was really funny. I don't really, I haven't really been watching the new stuff, but I do remember that old bit.

• 38:36Amanda Dobbins?

  You're right that this is peach yogurt. Okay, but I had a Avatar question. What?

• 38:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Is going, it's like 2150 in like,

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 38:46Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, B C.

• 38:47Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know the year.

• 38:48Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 38:48Sean Fennessey?

  Is that what it is? Is it 2150?

• 38:50Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like 2150 something.

• 38:51Speaker 01

  And is Earth uninhabitable? Again, this is what I'm getting.

• 38:53Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what I'm asking. What's going on on Earth?

• 38:54Sean Fennessey?

  Well, they're about to send Spider back. But I do think that they're in desperate need of new resources.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  We are now, you know?

• 39:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 39:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So I'll tell you one of the ocean facts I learned. I'm not endorsing ocean drilling, but there are a lot of minerals and resources available to us in the ocean. And it's been quite unexplored, but you know.

• 39:13Sean Fennessey?

  Not by Jim Cameron.

• 39:14Amanda Dobbins?

  That is true.

• 39:15Sean Fennessey?

  Going to the depths.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  But isn't he trying to protect that area? He's not sure. He doesn't want us to be.

• 39:19Amanda Dobbins?

  He doesn't want us to go back to the Mariana Trench. Yeah.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Okay. He's in the trench? He's in.

• 39:24Amanda Dobbins?

  He went to the, he went to the bottom of the Mariana Trench. The deepest that anyone's ever been.

• 39:30Sean Fennessey?

  He claims.

• 39:31Amanda Dobbins?

  He claims. And then there's another explorer who's like, no, I went deeper.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  And did Jim Cameron say like, I see your deepness and go and take you one step further?

• 39:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I went, he's like, he literally says he's full of shit because you can't go any deeper than I went. I went to the bottom, so.

• 39:45Sean Fennessey?

  That's the other thing. Here, this is another reason why the Avatar films are so great. Because they create a new James Cameron news cycle.

• 39:55Amanda Dobbins?

  They're wonderful.

• 39:56Sean Fennessey?

  Where he comes around and he just starts picking fights with people who've been training to be deep sea divers.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  First time I feel like he's, he's been, the champ is cut, you know?

• 40:05Sean Fennessey?

  You think the champ is cut?

• 40:06Speaker 01

  A little bit. I think he's like, well, you know, maybe I won't make any more of these. Nobody goes and sees three.

• 40:11Sean Fennessey?

  He's done that every time. He does that after every movie so that he gets more money for the next movie.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  You think Disney is happy with their investment?

• 40:18Sean Fennessey?

  In the Avatar films?

• 40:19Speaker 01

  How come they haven't made Pandora as like a theme?

• 40:21Sean Fennessey?

  Avatar is the most successful movie of all time.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:24Sean Fennessey?

  You haven't seen it.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  I, I understand. I'm asking if Disney is, is happy with their investment. I, I support Disney.

• 40:30Sean Fennessey?

  I imagine so.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Many other areas.

• 40:31Sean Fennessey?

  I do think.

• 40:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Name some of the areas.

• 40:35Speaker 01

  For the foremost proponent of the upcoming Paul Bettany series, Vision, White Vision.

• 40:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure.

• 40:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And you, are you the co-star of that film?

• 40:44Speaker 01

  No. And then, uh.

• 40:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But Vision is not who she was grieving when she had the profound thing. But I thought it was also her brother.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  No, that was before.

• 40:54Sean Fennessey?

  What was that line of dialogue from that show?

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Love means, love is grief telling you that it's okay to be sad.

• 41:01Sean Fennessey?

  That's not what it was.

• 41:02Amanda Dobbins?

  That's what it was.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  Love is, love is grief reaching out across time.

• 41:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. I want to read you guys a quote that James Cameron gave Zach Baron in 2022.

• 41:15Sean Fennessey?

  Why do you keep saying his full name?

• 41:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Because.

• 41:17Sean Fennessey?

  To me and Chris.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  You've got Zach as a husband. You don't have to like, it's not like the yogurt company.

• 41:27Sean Fennessey?

  I hope Zach Baron is listening to this. I've been citing his work.

• 41:29Amanda Dobbins?

  So a note that I get from him pretty often is that I need to say the full name of writers because they deserve credit. So.

• 41:37Sean Fennessey?

  That's a frequent note that you get?

• 41:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I do actually. He's like, if you have to talk about me. Not frequent, but like once. Also, also, I'm starting, I'm starting book promo right now. Okay?

• 41:48Sean Fennessey?

  So on his behalf?

• 41:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. Novel, listen, you think I'm gonna go door to door with yogurt? You just fucking watch me sell this novel.

• 41:55Sean Fennessey?

  That always works. People love to be hectored about a novel. They love that.

• 41:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I'm not gonna hecter them. I'm just gonna like hand them a novel.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Do you think people love doing reading and eating yogurt?

• 42:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, but anyway.

• 42:08Sean Fennessey?

  That's your fantasy, is sitting around reading a novel written by someone you love while eating yogurt.

• 42:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's true. I mean, honestly, the fantasy is like having a cocktail, but and maybe bumming a cigarette off of someone and then Nelly starts playing. But anyway, no, so this is the quote that he gave about the response to this movie and executives.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  The first or the second one?

• 42:32Amanda Dobbins?

  The, the first movie.

• 42:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:33Amanda Dobbins?

  And how people feel about this movie and how he's feeling about it. "I said something I've never said to anybody else in the business," Cameron recalled. He said he told him, "I think this movie is gonna make all the fucking money. And when it does, it's going to be too late for you to love the film. The time for you to love the movie is today. So I'm not asking you to say something that you don't feel, but just know that I will always know that no matter how many, how complimentary you are about the movie in the future, what it makes all the money. And that's exactly what I said in caps, all the money, not some of the money, all of the fucking money. I said, you can't come back to me and compliment the film or chum along and say, look what we did together. You won't be able to do that."

• 43:15Amanda Dobbins?

  At that point, that particular studio executive flipped out and went bug shit on me. And I told him to get the fuck out of my office, and that's where it was left.

• 43:23Sean Fennessey?

  That's really what art's all about.

• 43:24Amanda Dobbins?

  No one is doing it better.

• 43:25Sean Fennessey?

  Now, you could argue that that is the strong perspective of a fascist dictator. That is not how you want.

• 43:33Speaker 01

  I yelled at a man, and when he defended himself, I kicked him out.

• 43:38Sean Fennessey?

  That being said, Never Doubt Big Jim has become an axiom because of him communicating in that way about his work. And he's proven time and time again.

• 43:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so Jake Sully has come to do an X-Phil?

• 43:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 43:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  Because he knows his teens are taken.

• 43:52Sean Fennessey?

  Under attack, yes.

• 43:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Papa Bear is always, you know, waiting to help.

• 43:58Sean Fennessey?

  He is a trained marine.

• 43:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 44:00Sean Fennessey?

  Who has a Na'vi body.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  That's good. That would have been a cool 3D shot if I could wear 3D glasses.

• 44:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, there's a lot of coming right at you stuff in these movies.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  I just can't see well enough without my glasses.

• 44:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no idea.

• 44:14Speaker 01

  So that when I have 3D glasses, it just feels very disorienting. And then, I assume now, because I'm using progressives for reading and stuff, that it would just feel really weird.

• 44:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. And so you can't?

• 44:26Sean Fennessey?

  Would you consider getting a pair of contact lenses that would work?

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Just for Avatar?

• 44:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 44:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you have astigmatism? Is that why you can't do contacts?

• 44:32Speaker 01

  I think so. No, I don't like touching my eyes. I know that.

• 44:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, eye baby. Yeah, you're an eye baby. Yeah.

• 44:38Speaker 01

  An eye baby.

• 44:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, Zach is also an eye baby. Zach Baron is an eye baby. And when you give him, when Sean scratched his eye, and then he had to get eye drops, he would like dart

• 44:50Speaker 01

  I do that.

• 44:50Amanda Dobbins?

  like five feet away from the eye drop. Yeah.

• 44:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 44:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 44:54Sean Fennessey?

  That was tough. That wasn't my best work.

• 44:56Amanda Dobbins?

  It was just like a normal 4:00 a.m.

• 44:58Sean Fennessey?

  Zach Baron, I'm sorry.

• 45:00Amanda Dobbins?

  visit.

• 45:02Amanda Dobbins?

  But because he was an eye baby, couldn't wait till morning.

• 45:05Sean Fennessey?

  Eye stuff is tough. You get used to it with contacts. It's fine.

• 45:08Amanda Dobbins?

  You do. Okay, they're okay.

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Okay, so they break free. Is anybody still under Steven Lang's?

• 45:14Sean Fennessey?

  Look at his use of light. Come on, Chris. This fucking Jim Cameron.

• 45:17Speaker 01

  It's just light. It doesn't mean use of.

• 45:20Sean Fennessey?

  No, of course it does. This is a digital environment and he's shooting it through with this prismatic light. It's gorgeous. Like, most digitally rendered movies don't do this.

• 45:28Amanda Dobbins?

  It is true that it looks so much better than every single other, like, straight up.

• 45:32Sean Fennessey?

  I mean.

• 45:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I completely agree. It's like, it's a different league.

• 45:36Sean Fennessey?

  Creating the atmosphere and the environment, the sound design, like, to me, this stuff is so mu- it's so far beyond basically any Marvel movie that you watch or any superhero film.

• 45:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Completely different, like, product of.

• 45:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. The only person that I compare it to, and you guys always will groan at me a little bit, is the Michael Bay Transformers movies, where it's like,

• 45:54Speaker 01

  I'm not groaning.

• 45:55Sean Fennessey?

  They spent like, two years trying to make those movies look good.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  First few Transformers films have more life in them than this does.

• 46:02Sean Fennessey?

  Well, they have more humans.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  They have Shia.

• 46:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:04Sean Fennessey?

  Well, yes, that's true. And then later, they have Mark Wahlberg.

• 46:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay, so he's.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  And Turo.

• 46:11Sean Fennessey?

  John Turturro.

• 46:11Amanda Dobbins?

  What's going on with Spider right now? He's locked up?

• 46:13Sean Fennessey?

  Anthony Hopkins.

• 46:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 46:15Sean Fennessey?

  Spider's been captured.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  Has the guy who played Spider, uh, played Spider done other work that I would have seen him in?

• 46:21Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I don't know the answer to that.

• 46:22Amanda Dobbins?

  What's his name? I kept meaning to look that up.

• 46:24Sean Fennessey?

  Look it up.

• 46:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 46:26Sean Fennessey?

  I think he's, I think he's good in this. I think he's quite good in Three. Three is, the story is, it's important.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  Spider coated.

• 46:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 46:38Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think at the end of this, he'll be like, "I'm in, fire Nash, I'm going"?

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Me?

• 46:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. What do you think I'm talking to?

• 46:47Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda, I saw it last night.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  I gotta be honest, so far, no.

• 46:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Spider, Avatar. But listen, we haven't gotten to the Way of Water yet.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:57Amanda Dobbins?

  There's a lot of throat clearing.

• 46:58Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think of yourself as a water guy?

• 47:02Speaker 01

  As elements go.

• 47:04Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  I would much rather explore space than underwater.

• 47:09Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 47:09Speaker 01

  Um.

• 47:10Sean Fennessey?

  Good to know.

• 47:11Speaker 01

  And.

• 47:13Sean Fennessey?

  Sean, it's Chris. I'm in space. I killed a guy. Need you to dig a space hole.

• 47:17Amanda Dobbins?

  You know I'll come give you. Okay, so Jackson Champion.

• 47:22Sean Fennessey?

  Sick name.

• 47:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Was in Scream Six.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  As who?

• 47:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh.

• 47:27Sean Fennessey?

  Remember that?

• 47:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Hold on. Wow.

• 47:30Sean Fennessey?

  Jackson Champion.

• 47:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Ethan Landry? Of course.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Ethan Landry?

• 47:35Amanda Dobbins?

  He was also kid on bike in Avengers Endgame.

• 47:38Speaker 01

  Six is New York, right?

• 47:39Amanda Dobbins?

  And, yeah, I think so. And Trap House, if any of you saw that, but he's not on the poster here, so.

• 47:47Sean Fennessey?

  He's one of the kids who's killed early on in their apartment.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  Scream Six. Okay.

• 47:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 47:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But, yeah, his, his like chew come on, you know, his TK on Wikipedia is just Avatar four and Avatar five.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  She is, is a.

• 48:04Sean Fennessey?

  Neteri.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Neteri. She's usually stressing like, you know, we gotta keep, we gotta just stay out of trouble. We can't get into violent interactions.

• 48:11Sean Fennessey?

  Well, she's a warrior, but I think she's focused on surviving and protecting her family. Kind of.

• 48:18Amanda Dobbins?

  She's also like connected to her world.

• 48:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 48:23Amanda Dobbins?

  And the, and the Navi people in a way that.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  They're in her world, right?

• 48:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but Jake is bringing in all like the marine technology and worldview.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  What the fuck is this?

• 48:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, what's going on?

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Is this advanced interrogation techniques?

• 48:39Sean Fennessey?

  Trying to find the location.

• 48:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 48:42Sean Fennessey?

  Of where they're living, where the base is.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  I see where this is going.

• 48:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so they, oh, so they captured him and everyone else got away with Jake Sully and now he's being tortured.

• 48:55Amanda Dobbins?

  And he's wearing a face mask.

• 49:00Sean Fennessey?

  I gotta give this kid credit. He's, he just turned 21, so he's like 15 when he's making this movie.

• 49:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:06Sean Fennessey?

  He's pretty good.

• 49:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree.

• 49:08Sean Fennessey?

  He's also acting in a world in which everyone else is wearing a ping pong ball on their face.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  Oh, Stephen Lang.

• 49:14Sean Fennessey?

  He doesn't like it.

• 49:14Speaker 01

  Feeling paternal.

• 49:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:17Sean Fennessey?

  A single nosebleed. When's the last time you had a nosebleed?

• 49:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Me?

• 49:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 49:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I've never had a nosebleed.

• 49:23Sean Fennessey?

  What?

• 49:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I've just never had one.

• 49:25Sean Fennessey?

  You've never had a nosebleed?

• 49:26Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I've never had a nosebleed.

• 49:28Sean Fennessey?

  And you're living a blessed life.

• 49:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, that's right. That's what the protein will do for you, you know? The scur yogurt, yeah.

• 49:34Sean Fennessey?

  Is that one of the things that yogurt does? Prevents nosebleeds? It's so ironic, given all the cocaine you've been using, that you've never had a nosebleed.

• 49:42Speaker 01

  Her being like Alex Jones, just being like, yogurt stops nosebleeds.

• 49:48Sean Fennessey?

  It's a great theme of this conversation. Nosebleed CR, when's the last time?

• 49:52Speaker 01

  Uh, 2008.

• 49:56Sean Fennessey?

  2008?

• 49:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  Financial crisis.

• 50:00Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 50:02Speaker 01

  Went fucking upside down on a couple of houses.

• 50:05Sean Fennessey?

  Pouring out, right?

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Did you guys know that, um, some people borrow money against their stock holdings? Don't do that?

• 50:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, all the time.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  I thought that might be a new bit.

• 50:20Sean Fennessey?

  You're asking because you've done that?

• 50:23Speaker 01

  I was thinking about it. I was like, what would happen if I did that?

• 50:25Sean Fennessey?

  What are you trying to acquire?

• 50:27Speaker 01

  I don't know. I needed.

• 50:28Sean Fennessey?

  You just need a lot of cash.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I want a bunch of cash and then maybe buy like a championship level football squad.

• 50:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Thanks, thanks for my, yeah.

• 50:37Sean Fennessey?

  Chris Faz Warner Brothers is something I want to see.

• 50:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I need to. What, what do I get to do?

• 50:42Speaker 01

  Uh, wait, wait, if I buy Warner Brothers?

• 50:44Amanda Dobbins?

  What am I in charge of? Think carefully.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Yogurt product placement, making sure that in task, Mark Ruffalo is like, have you tried this Pennsylvania yogurt? It's really good.

• 50:53Amanda Dobbins?

  So how?

• 50:54Sean Fennessey?

  Shooting a guy in the head.

• 50:56Amanda Dobbins?

  How did task work out for you?

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Like in, like at the end or?

• 51:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, like, yeah, was it good ending?

• 51:02Speaker 01

  Immensely satisfying. You didn't watch it?

• 51:03Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 51:04Sean Fennessey?

  Were there any Navi in task?

• 51:05Speaker 01

  Did you watch The Beast in Me?

• 51:07Amanda Dobbins?

  No, Zach started it without me. Zach Ben started it without me.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:10Amanda Dobbins?

  So I'm still on my flight back from Philadelphia for Thanksgiving, the worst flight of my life. Um. I watched three fourths of an episode of The Diplomat.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, which I really enjoyed, but that's what I managed.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  That's what you were allowed to watch in a six hour.

• 51:26Amanda Dobbins?

  That was what I got together. Yeah. Listen, it was real bad. It was a bad scene. God love my children. Um, and in this case, not really Knox's fault, but the baby did not want to be contained. So.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  I can't compete with that.

• 51:41Amanda Dobbins?

  And a man in front of me did watch, um, The Big Short. So I was, you know, thinking about you.

• 51:46Sean Fennessey?

  Back in the news. Yeah. Yeah. The financial crisis, CR's nosebleeds.

• 51:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 51:50Sean Fennessey?

  Michael Burry, uh.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  The Fed's pumping cash into the economy.

• 51:54Amanda Dobbins?

  What's he shorting now?

• 51:55Sean Fennessey?

  No, Michael Burry stepped away. He closed.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  No, it's not true. He's shorting Bitcoin.

• 52:00Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he closed his brokerage.

• 52:01Amanda Dobbins?

  So who is being?

• 52:02Sean Fennessey?

  His, his hedge fund is closed.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Oh, no, he's shorting.

• 52:05Amanda Dobbins?

  He was shorting water.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  Data centers?

• 52:07Amanda Dobbins?

  So we're having some sort of ceremony right now?

• 52:10Speaker 01

  You can short anything on like those prediction markets.

• 52:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's shorting Avatar watch alongs. Yeah.

• 52:16Amanda Dobbins?

  So there's an, so this is an important, so Jake Sully is getting some sort of, there's some sort of ceremony here. Oh, they're leaving.

• 52:24Sean Fennessey?

  Torek Mokto.

• 52:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. So, and that was, who is Torek Mokto? That's.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  Oh, they're leaving their, their spot.

• 52:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Navi name?

• 52:32Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it's sort of, I, I think it's his union with a larger creature that makes him like an epic warrior.

• 52:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. So they had a, uh, like leaving ceremony because they have to leave because they're bringing danger to the forest community?

• 52:45Speaker 01

  But they don't know.

• 52:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  If that kid gives up the spot, right? They're going to get smoked anyway. Right?

• 52:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 52:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Exactly. Well, he's not giving up the spot. I mean, I guess he could, but that is disrespectful to Spider.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  This is a movie about fathers in a lot of ways.

• 53:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 53:03Amanda Dobbins?

  And families.

• 53:04Sean Fennessey?

  Jack has just asked us, what percentage of this discussion do you think has been about Avatar? 35 to 40%? I think we've been doing actually pretty good relative to where we've been in the past.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  I'm surprised by how engaged in it I am.

• 53:14Sean Fennessey?

  I, I fully agree.

• 53:15Amanda Dobbins?

  So listen, some water, Jack. What's the runtime? Jack, how many minutes are we in?

• 53:20Speaker 01

  This has to be like a flight. You can't look at the clock.

• 53:22Amanda Dobbins?

  You can't look at the clock? Okay.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  I mean, you can.

• 53:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that part of what you're doing? That was the mistake I made on my Thanksgiving flight.

• 53:28Speaker 01

  Like you have to read a book and then randomly be like, I wonder how, like if you get, get like a nice chunk in, you're like, oh shit, I only got two hours left. That's great.

• 53:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow. Must be nice to be you and living that way. Um, okay.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  So they're getting to the water.

• 53:46Amanda Dobbins?

  The wa- the way of water.

• 53:47Sean Fennessey?

  You're a woman of the water.

• 53:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I do love the water, though it's not. I was gonna ask you, you are a Scorpio.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 53:54Amanda Dobbins?

  What element is that? Is that earth? Is that? I think that might be.

• 53:59Speaker 01

  Earth, right? Scorpios.

• 54:00Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's, uh.

• 54:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 54:01Sean Fennessey?

  He of the nosebleeds.

• 54:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, Scorpio, eighth astrological sign. Um.

• 54:09Sean Fennessey?

  You're in the nosebleed moon as well.

• 54:11Amanda Dobbins?

  It is water! What a surprise! Okay, so that makes sense for you. You and I, of course, are fire. Yeah, Leos.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  So this is more my kinda Avatar movie then?

• 54:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  Astrologically speaking.

• 54:23Amanda Dobbins?

  This is minus all like the beasts and machine guns, my ideal vacation situation, yes. I mean.

• 54:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, this is.

• 54:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Honestly, if you wa- if someone walked in here and was like, "Don't even bring a bag, we're taking you in the car and sending you to sandals for a week." I, I, you can come if you want. I mean, I guess.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  If that was the price?

• 54:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, sure, because I would love to go to sandals.

• 54:47Sean Fennessey?

  Not interested in that vacation.

• 54:48Amanda Dobbins?

  You would be terrible at sandals. You would be fun.

• 54:50Speaker 01

  I'd be fine.

• 54:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe they have a casino at sandals.

• 54:53Sean Fennessey?

  All-inclusives before.

• 54:54Amanda Dobbins?

  So have I. We all have.

• 54:55Sean Fennessey?

  I have.

• 54:55Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, Americans.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  I haven't done all things.

• 54:57Amanda Dobbins?

  It was more the sun and the sand.

• 54:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I mean, I've done it.

• 55:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but you don't like it.

• 55:01Sean Fennessey?

  I was just in Hawaii. It was great. Had a great time.

• 55:03Amanda Dobbins?

  The best.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  Different Navis.

• 55:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Different spot, right?

• 55:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, this is just a.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Why'd you guys come here?

• 55:10Sean Fennessey?

  This is the, the Aqua people.

• 55:11Speaker 01

  Right.

• 55:12Sean Fennessey?

  They're, they're all Navi. But they, their cultures are different. A lot of the, these movies are all about assimilation, differences between people, kinda bridging the gap.

• 55:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 55:23Sean Fennessey?

  I find, I found the third film to be the second movie in a row, the se- the second great movie of this year about being, um, a mixed-race kid. Like, there's like, that's a real-

• 55:37Amanda Dobbins?

  The second great movie.

• 55:39Sean Fennessey?

  Well, one battle after another.

• 55:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, no, I know that, but I more meant that Avatar, Fire and Ash-

• 55:44Sean Fennessey?

  You think Fire and Ash- It has greatness in it.

• 55:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 55:46Sean Fennessey?

  How full of shit was your tweet? It's 100% true.

• 55:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my God, hold on. I didn't even see this. Let's pull up the tweet now.

• 55:52Sean Fennessey?

  Everything in the tweet is true. Yeah, how are you feeling about your Twitter? Feel fine.

• 55:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Guys, what are we doing?

• 55:57Sean Fennessey?

  There's so many people who were like, you can't be on there. Like, other social media platforms are not also completely-

• 56:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't say that either.

• 56:03Sean Fennessey?

  Run by demons and filled with demons. People are just full of shit.

• 56:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, when did you send this? Did you send this while we were walking? Oh, no, this morning. Okay, six hours. Yeah, that's fine.

• 56:13Sean Fennessey?

  No embargo on that. I was trying to think of what movie it was reminding me of when I was watching the third film.

• 56:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 56:18Sean Fennessey?

  Dead serious, because I was like, the setup here- Is Drums Along the Mohawk. Is Drums Along the Mohawk, which is a John Ford movie. The third John Ford movie of 1939.

• 56:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Cool.

• 56:28Sean Fennessey?

  Can you name the other two?

• 56:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm, no. The only 1939 movie I can think of is Gone with the Wind, which is not a John Ford movie.

• 56:38Sean Fennessey?

  Not Grapes. Uh, the Irish one. What's the Irish one?

• 56:44Amanda Dobbins?

  What's?

• 56:45Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it's not Irish. Isn't it Welsh? How Green Was My Valley? How Green Was My Valley. Is that 1939? That's not correct.

• 56:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 56:52Sean Fennessey?

  Um, it's not- How Green Is My Valley famously, I think, the following year defeated Citizen Kane for Best Picture. It's not any of the Cavalry movies. Two years later. The Cavalry movies are later, right? Cavalry movies are later. Um, 1939, John Ford made Stagecoach.

• 57:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 57:08Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, I thought that was earlier than 39. Young Mr. Lincoln and Drums Along the Mohawk.

• 57:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, Young Mr. Lincoln. Wow. Okay.

• 57:14Sean Fennessey?

  Famously.

• 57:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so your girl right here.

• 57:18Sean Fennessey?

  Kate Winslet?

• 57:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Delco. Yeah, in the, in the, I know that she's not actually from Delco, but-

• 57:23Sean Fennessey?

  Delco? Oh, Kate Winslet, yeah.

• 57:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah. That's her.

• 57:28Sean Fennessey?

  How do you, this is a thorny one.

• 57:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:31Sean Fennessey?

  But how do you feel about the water people having these kind of Maori?

• 57:36Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not good.

• 57:37Sean Fennessey?

  Intonations in their dialect?

• 57:39Amanda Dobbins?

  None of it feels great. Yeah.

• 57:41Sean Fennessey?

  I think with Cliff Curtis, the actor who portrays one of the leaders here, you can kind of, you know, he's had some experience working in that world, but like Kate Winslet doing the Maori-inflected accent is very odd.

• 57:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I, I think that this movie, this world is obviously about,

• 57:59Amanda Dobbins?

  you know, different cultures, assimilation, like, cultural like exchange, accepting people, all these sorts of things, but it can be a little...

• 58:09Speaker 01

  Kate Winslet and Zoe Zaldania, going head to head?

• 58:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 58:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, they just literally, they do literal hissing like a catfight.

• 58:14Sean Fennessey?

  The lioness and mare.

• 58:15Amanda Dobbins?

  It's very evolved representation of women in Avatar, um, all threes, so...

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Have you ever had to apologize for your mate? Just been like, I apologize for my mate, the way he just did.

• 58:25Sean Fennessey?

  Eileen's had to apologize for me.

• 58:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:27Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, I've never had to apologize for Eileen.

• 58:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, it can be a little loose with some of the...

• 58:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Big Jim is always a little loose, you know? We've all seen True Lies.

• 58:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:37Sean Fennessey?

  There's always a couple of things where you're like, hmm, it's a little broad.

• 58:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe, maybe we could have gone a different direction, thought this through a little more.

• 58:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Doesn't, he doesn't, he, his brush stroke is deep and, and wide, you know? It's not, it's not thin.

• 58:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:55Sean Fennessey?

  So, the thing that I turned to Amanda yesterday, it was like 40 minutes into the movie, and the kids were swimming in the water.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Not the fire.

• 59:04Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 59:04Sean Fennessey?

  And I was like, it looks like these Na'vi are fucking swimming in water.

• 59:08Amanda Dobbins?

  It really did, like, and even I...

• 59:10Sean Fennessey?

  They're not in water.

• 59:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Even I watching that was like, this, this looks amazing. Yeah.

• 59:15Sean Fennessey?

  Now, this, you don't quite get that as strongly when you're watching it in this way on a 48-inch screen. I don't want to overemphasize that point too much, but since so much of this film now takes place in this kind of environment.

• 59:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:29Sean Fennessey?

  The fact that they were able to make this.

• 59:31Amanda Dobbins?

  It does look really cool.

• 59:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 59:32Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like a technical achievement unlike any other. I, I really give them that.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Oh, just wanted to let you know.

• 59:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  Red Dead Redemption.

• 59:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:44Speaker 01

  Is on Netflix games now.

• 59:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  So.

• 59:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, for the boys.

• 59:48Speaker 01

  For the boys.

• 59:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 59:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  When he gets into Cowboys, he and I are gonna play an immersive weeks-long video game.

• 59:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so, so if I have a subscription to Netflix, do I have a subscription to Netflix?

• 59:59Speaker 01

  I think you can play it on your mobile, yeah.

• 1:00:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you can, but my children don't have access to a mobile, so, um.

• 1:00:07Sean Fennessey?

  Not yet. That's when Uncle Chris comes to Christmas Day.

• 1:00:11Speaker 01

  iPhone 17, iPhone 17, group chat started.

• 1:00:15Amanda Dobbins?

  You, you have bought my children's.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  Madlene Kiffin memes, starting at 6:00 in the morning.

• 1:00:25Sean Fennessey?

  How soon before Knox says the words 6, 7?

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  How, how soon before?

• 1:00:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I tried teaching it to him, and Zach was like, "Don't do that, that's not funny."

• 1:00:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:32Amanda Dobbins?

  So, uh, but the other issue is like, how long until Knox can identify the numbers 6 and 7 when pointed out to him? Which could be several years. I say this with love. He just has a very creative relationship to like the numerical representation.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  Do you think Knox will know his numbers before or after he knows who Lane Kiffin is?

• 1:00:52Amanda Dobbins?

  It is really, really up for debate. But, but you also know now, like, he, I don't know if he has like the celebrity bug, but he does notice people and he remembers people pretty quickly.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Like Saquon.

• 1:01:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Like Saquon, like Rory McIlroy, like Tom Cruise, like Yuri Gagarin, who is the newest person who wants?

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  The Russian cosmonaut?

• 1:01:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, and he wants Yuri Gagarin to come to his birthday party. And like on a number of levels, I'm just like, that's not gonna be possible.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  Is he also on Telegram?

• 1:01:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  How is that happening?

• 1:01:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yuri Gagarin?

• 1:01:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, we have a book, and he was the first person in space.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  Where's the book from?

• 1:01:28Amanda Dobbins?

  The library, I told you.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, but where's like the book who wrote it?

• 1:01:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I think this is the Robert Usborne, like, space encyclopedia.

• 1:01:34Sean Fennessey?

  This is the Boomerang Theory again, where it's like, we gotta start getting him introduced to, you know, Soviet communism.

• 1:01:40Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the first person in space. So, anyway, if he hears about Lane Kiffin, he could be like, "I would like him to come to my party," you know?

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  Do people who don't think that the moon landing is real also don't think any space exploration is real, or just the moon landing?

• 1:01:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Jack, can you weigh in for us?

• 1:01:56Sean Fennessey?

  Does Jack have a microphone? Jack, do you believe in space travel?

• 1:02:01Sean Fennessey?

  No? Okay, just checking. Jack can't speak right now.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  Okay, so now they're like, after some beef on the beach, the two tribes are like, you know what, let's break bread.

• 1:02:11Amanda Dobbins?

  And now they're in the reef, they're snorkeling.

• 1:02:14Sean Fennessey?

  We need refuge from this incoming war.

• 1:02:17Amanda Dobbins?

  They're experiencing the wonder of the sea and all its creatures.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  This is like every time somebody gets fishing gear on Survivor.

• 1:02:23Amanda Dobbins?

  So you go snorkeling a lot?

• 1:02:26Speaker 01

  I've been snorkeling.

• 1:02:28Sean Fennessey?

  Right, so every week for roughly nine hours.

• 1:02:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you feel like every, every time that you go on a beach vacation, you guys like do go snorkeling?

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  We have gone snorkeling in Hawaii and Puerto Rico.

• 1:02:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so what are you up to when you're snorkeling?

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  What do I think about?

• 1:02:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  The vast void just out of touching distance and how terrifying it is.

• 1:02:51Sean Fennessey?

  That's what you think about?

• 1:02:53Speaker 01

  Often.

• 1:02:53Sean Fennessey?

  What about what's right in front of you?

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  Well, what?

• 1:02:55Sean Fennessey?

  What about what's right in front of you?

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  It's like I'm following a turtle and then it goes out into that drop off like nothing. I'm like, this is it.

• 1:03:03Sean Fennessey?

  The shelf.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  This is what Sartre wrote about.

• 1:03:05Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't want to fuck with the shelf.

• 1:03:06Sean Fennessey?

  The void.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:07Sean Fennessey?

  The absolute blackness.

• 1:03:10Amanda Dobbins?

  The thing is with snorkeling, it's like, I guess it's like the reverse of 3D glasses is that I can't really snorkel with contacts. I know it's supposed to be an airtight seal, but they just, they don't have the technology down, you know, so that I can't keep my eyes open.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  You should do an early kind of scuba gear, like where they put the whole suit on you, you know, with the giant.

• 1:03:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you should get like Richard Dreyfuss in Jaws. You should do that whole, that whole getup.

• 1:03:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you have interest in scuba diving?

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:03:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Me either.

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  No, I'd be too worried.

• 1:03:42Sean Fennessey?

  Scuba, no, me neither.

• 1:03:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Too much gear.

• 1:03:44Sean Fennessey?

  Big no, loves to snorkel, big no on scuba.

• 1:03:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't really like snorkeling either. I just want to be swimming myself.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  When they're like, you can't, if it was in the firm, he can't fly for 24 hours, right?

• 1:03:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's right, after diving.

• 1:03:54Speaker 01

  That's a problem for me. You never know when the, my loans against my stock portfolio are going to get called in.

• 1:04:01Sean Fennessey?

  And what's in his mailbox, you know, have you considered that?

• 1:04:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they're bad divers, they're learning, okay.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  So these guys can't swim?

• 1:04:09Amanda Dobbins?

  So they, well, they don't have breath control. They're not like Kate Winslet. Okay, so this is one thing we're going to do. I'm going to set a timer and you see how long you can hold your breath, just like Kate Winslet.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  That's not really good podcasting. I guess it's good for video.

• 1:04:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, we can talk about it.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  I didn't say I could do it. My breath, I said I could do it underwater.

• 1:04:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, Kate did seven and a half minutes, okay.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  I think I could do two.

• 1:04:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Four, five, six.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Wait, sorry, Brad. No, I have to take a deep breath. Hold on. Right, go. Ready?

• 1:04:37Amanda Dobbins?

  See, this is gonna pass. Okay, no.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  One, two.

• 1:04:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Wait, no, no, I stopped. Okay.

• 1:04:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Reset. Tell me. Okay. Are you supposed to blow out? I'd... Well, that's what they do before... I'm trying to remember what movie where, right before they go underwater, they do. That's, uh, Tom Cruise does that in Mission Impossible. Yeah, that's, that would be right, because you've seen it a lot of times.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  I'm just gonna take one deep breath, right?

• 1:04:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, yeah.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  One, two.

• 1:05:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I'm going. One second. Oh, I have two seconds. You gotta get it on, like...

• 1:05:05Sean Fennessey?

  You gotta fix his microphone.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  Oh, my bad.

• 1:05:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Ready?

• 1:05:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Three, two, one.

• 1:05:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, here we go. Three seconds. I'm gonna ca...

• 1:05:17Sean Fennessey?

  This is great.

• 1:05:18Amanda Dobbins?

  So...

• 1:05:19Sean Fennessey?

  When Chris dies.

• 1:05:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Where's Spider going? I'll call out every 10 seconds. That's what my favorite workout, 10 seconds.

• 1:05:24Sean Fennessey?

  Chris, I forgot what you said. Is it, is it burn or bury? We didn't figure out...

• 1:05:29Amanda Dobbins?

  He wants to be buried.

• 1:05:30Sean Fennessey?

  Buried.

• 1:05:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, like Osama.

• 1:05:32Sean Fennessey?

  Ho...

• 1:05:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Where are they going? 20 seconds.

• 1:05:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I almost blew my eardrums out. Okay, so now it's 20 seconds.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Oh, my god.

• 1:05:42Sean Fennessey?

  Underwater is...

• 1:05:43Amanda Dobbins?

  No, because she made a Bin Laden joke. You know, that's my guy.

• 1:05:48Sean Fennessey?

  It's nice to be reminded.

• 1:05:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, okay. Uh, well, that was great content.

• 1:05:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Seven and a half minutes Kate Winslet did. That's pretty good.

• 1:05:57Sean Fennessey?

  I gotta say, I remember this movie being quite complicated.

• 1:06:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Did you drink my water?

• 1:06:04Sean Fennessey?

  No, this is my water.

• 1:06:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Whereas I had two bottles of water. Thank you. Okay.

• 1:06:11Sean Fennessey?

  Take a deep breath. Can we get a more yogurt? Get the yogurt pallet in here.

• 1:06:17Amanda Dobbins?

  This is just wondering why am I saying...

• 1:06:18Sean Fennessey?

  Snap.

• 1:06:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I'd like to be happy.

• 1:06:19Sean Fennessey?

  I'm trying not to have a lot of shit on the tables in the shop, you know?

• 1:06:22Amanda Dobbins?

  You have a fucking iPad here, or no, a laptop. Why do you have it?

• 1:06:26Sean Fennessey?

  Just in case I need it.

• 1:06:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Put it over there.

• 1:06:29Sean Fennessey?

  Why is your yogurt container here?

• 1:06:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Because I eat it and we don't have a trash can.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Did you not eat your sandwich?

• 1:06:33Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's right there. See? Okay, you know what? Keep it to yourself.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  They're getting in touch with the dolphins here.

• 1:06:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they're not dolphins. I'm not sure what these are called specifically.

• 1:06:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Like fish balls?

• 1:06:51Sean Fennessey?

  They appear to be mammals.

• 1:06:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Bull sharks, sort of. I have some facts about bull sharks for later.

• 1:06:56Sean Fennessey?

  Bull sharks?

• 1:06:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:06:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Oh, yeah, he got thrown. So like, yeah, bull, bulls, bull, water bulls.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  So this is not water. Like, this digitally rendered.

• 1:07:10Sean Fennessey?

  They're in a tank.

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:07:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:12Sean Fennessey?

  They're in a tank, but this world is obviously not real. No, that's not sand.

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  Who shot this?

• 1:07:19Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know the cinematographer's name. I'll look it up. It's Vittorio Storaro.

• 1:07:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Why don't you get out that laptop, buddy?

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  Do you think that Gordon Willis would think this is cool looking?

• 1:07:31Sean Fennessey?

  I don't see why not. I think you'd be blown away by the technology.

• 1:07:37Sean Fennessey?

  There's a reason why these movies are both immensely successful.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:07:41Sean Fennessey?

  And critically acclaimed and awards bodies are interested in them because there's just the level of craftsmanship that is way above anything else that is trying to do this kind of work.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:51Sean Fennessey?

  The cinematographer of this film.

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  I'm in it for the story, though.

• 1:07:53Sean Fennessey?

  Is.

• 1:07:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, look, he's flying.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  It's cool.

• 1:07:57Sean Fennessey?

  Your boy, Russell Carpenter.

• 1:08:00Speaker 01

  Who also did.

• 1:08:02Sean Fennessey?

  He also did True Lies. He also did Titanic.

• 1:08:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:08:05Sean Fennessey?

  He shot the Charlie's Angels films for McG.

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:08:09Sean Fennessey?

  He shot Ant-Man for Peyton Reed.

• 1:08:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:08:15Sean Fennessey?

  Number of other films. Some good, some bad.

• 1:08:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, there it goes. Oh, now they're diving. Oh, and they can't hold on. Yeah, you know, kind of like water skiing. Where are you on water skiing?

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Uh, would prefer tubing. Like tubing.

• 1:08:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's the same thing. What about you?

• 1:08:31Sean Fennessey?

  Never done it.

• 1:08:32Amanda Dobbins?

  No, water skiing nor tubing?

• 1:08:34Sean Fennessey?

  I've never done either one.

• 1:08:35Speaker 01

  Wow. You've tubed before.

• 1:08:38Amanda Dobbins?

  You've never been-

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  You've gone tubing on a river, right?

• 1:08:40Sean Fennessey?

  Tubey? Uh, no. Uh, yeah, no, I've been in a tube going down a river.

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Did you have a very negative tubing experience in, in the Badlands?

• 1:08:49Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I did. Thanks for asking. So I went to, uh, Jackson Hole with my wife.

• 1:08:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:08:55Sean Fennessey?

  We, it was, it was during my sojourn in 2015 through the, uh-

• 1:08:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:08:59Sean Fennessey?

  The American West.

• 1:09:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Your breakdown, your-

• 1:09:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's not a breakdown.

• 1:09:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:09:03Sean Fennessey?

  It was a moment of realization-

• 1:09:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:09:05Sean Fennessey?

  That also turned out to be tremendously impactful in your life. And if I had not gone on that journey, we would not be sitting here right now.

• 1:09:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just concerned because it's like, you know, it's an every 10 year sort of thing.

• 1:09:14Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it's happening. It's unfortunately not happening in the American South.

• 1:09:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. So, but this, Eileen was present for this part.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  First he drove around.

• 1:09:22Sean Fennessey?

  So I went out on the road for-

• 1:09:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I remember that.

• 1:09:23Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I'm, I'm sharing this with the listeners. They don't know the whole story. Uh, I went out on the road by myself for a week, drove through Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, et cetera, et cetera. Eileen met me in Colorado.

• 1:09:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:35Sean Fennessey?

  We went up to Wyoming and Montana. And when we were in Wyoming, we stayed in Jackson Hole.

• 1:09:42Sean Fennessey?

  And we went tubing- Down the river in Jackson Hole. And we went too far and we didn't have any shoes on. And we, uh, there's no way to get back into our hotel without walking-

• 1:09:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:09:55Sean Fennessey?

  On the gravel roads.

• 1:09:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:09:56Sean Fennessey?

  Bare feet.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:57Sean Fennessey?

  In a bathing suits with no towels-

• 1:09:59Amanda Dobbins?

  How-

• 1:09:59Sean Fennessey?

  In the middle of the summer.

• 1:10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:00Sean Fennessey?

  In a city we'd never been to.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  With phones?

• 1:10:04Sean Fennessey?

  No phones.

• 1:10:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because, you know. Though they do have those little packs now where you can put the phone in the, in the water pack.

• 1:10:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, this was 10 years ago, so it might as well have been 300 years ago.

• 1:10:14Amanda Dobbins?

  They probably did have it then.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  That'd be dope because next time I go tubing, I could still text Knox and Si, sick memes.

• 1:10:19Sean Fennessey?

  It was just really a failure of planning.

• 1:10:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:10:22Sean Fennessey?

  You know, where we were just like, had not considered that we would get-

• 1:10:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:10:26Sean Fennessey?

  Two miles down the river.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  Well, you just missed your exit.

• 1:10:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  It's all right.

• 1:10:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. But then you do have to walk a while.

• 1:10:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Amanda Dobbins?

  So, but you've never been on a tube-

• 1:10:34Sean Fennessey?

  But then just picture me shirtless in a bathing suit, walking down a street with no shoes on, holding a giant tube.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:41Sean Fennessey?

  That's not cool.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  And they're like, that's Grantland's John Fennessey.

• 1:10:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so you've never been like on the, on a tube.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  Behind, with a speedboat, no.

• 1:10:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, yeah, I've obviously done that a lot. Grew up in the south.

• 1:10:53Speaker 01

  Oh, on lakes.

• 1:10:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So, you know, lakes aren't my preferred body of water.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Has your dad weighed in on the coaching carousel of college football?

• 1:11:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I haven't heard from him about Lane this time, but listen.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  Can you text him?

• 1:11:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I actually can.

• 1:11:09Sean Fennessey?

  His name is kind of Muddin' for Volunteers fans, right?

• 1:11:12Amanda Dobbins?

  My father and uncle have been trying to get the Knoxville Sewage Waste, you know, Waste Management Facility named after Lane Kiffin.

• 1:11:19Sean Fennessey?

  The Lane Kiffin Sewage.

• 1:11:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They've been, they have, you know, I don't know whether they like signed a petition or started a petition. I've been CC'd on some emails because my dad has a similar email strategy to your wife, Chris. All right, let's talk to my dad.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Very direct.

• 1:11:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Dad, yeah, direct and, uh, okay. Um, I am podcasting and Chris wants to know your thoughts about Lane Kiffin. Thoughts about Lane.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  What's going on here?

• 1:11:51Sean Fennessey?

  Well, Corrigan is continuing to track Sully and, and his family.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  And Spider is helping him?

• 1:12:00Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he's being forced to help him.

• 1:12:02Amanda Dobbins?

  But also, there's sort of like a dad-son thing going on, you know?

• 1:12:06Sean Fennessey?

  There's a critical sequence in the first film where Jake learns to ride.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:12:10Sean Fennessey?

  That giant creature.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  I think I've seen that in short-form video.

• 1:12:13Sean Fennessey?

  And.

• 1:12:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Just, just is.

• 1:12:14Sean Fennessey?

  You might have seen a moment of that in the film Babylon, which is the last film that we covered on the watch-along. You can see a brief clip of it. And so that was kind of Corrigan like doing an echo of that scene, but he's not making a connection with the creature.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:12:27Sean Fennessey?

  He's just trying to dominate it, which is what obviously the American.

• 1:12:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay. I thought you were going a different way and I was like, don't do it.

• 1:12:36Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, I can't even begin to fathom what you think I was gonna say.

• 1:12:42Sean Fennessey?

  So yeah, I, you know, on the one hand, Chris, like,

• 1:12:46Sean Fennessey?

  you're not really a creatures guy.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  I'm trying to think of some of my favorite creatures and I'll just run off the top of my head. I'll name some. I really like Falkor, uh, from Neverending Story.

• 1:12:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so do we all.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  That's the.

• 1:12:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Formative.

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Buck Dragon, what's he, what is he?

• 1:13:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think that's right. That's the creature that he rides.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  Number one, that's him.

• 1:13:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, he rules.

• 1:13:06Sean Fennessey?

  Good film.

• 1:13:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. E.T. can as a creature?

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, he's an alien. I don't, I don't count Zeta Mors.

• 1:13:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Alien separate that, okay.

• 1:13:13Sean Fennessey?

  These are technically aliens.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  To whom?

• 1:13:17Sean Fennessey?

  To.

• 1:13:18Amanda Dobbins?

  To you.

• 1:13:19Sean Fennessey?

  To humans.

• 1:13:19Amanda Dobbins?

  So maybe you should think about that worldview, just like James Cameron's asking you to.

• 1:13:25Sean Fennessey?

  You feel that you have a great deal in common with the Na'vi.

• 1:13:30Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, matriarchal society, for sure. Warrior, warrior moms.

• 1:13:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:13:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Not impressed by machine guns.

• 1:13:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Hang in there, Mama Neteiri.

• 1:13:42Amanda Dobbins?

  You got this.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  You got this, girlie.

• 1:13:44Sean Fennessey?

  You got this, Kiri.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  You got this, Padma.

• 1:13:47Sean Fennessey?

  You got this, Awa.

• 1:13:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, and I, well, I like these, I do like the water. I like being near the ocean. So in that sense, I, um.

• 1:13:58Sean Fennessey?

  You're a water Na'vi.

• 1:13:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I relate to these people. Yeah, but I don't really aspire to scuba diving.

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  Would you say this is the first act of this film?

• 1:14:06Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, we're deeply in the first act.

• 1:14:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Okay. We're not in the second act, though.

• 1:14:09Amanda Dobbins?

  We might be in the second act because we've at least made it to the water. But I guess we're sort of in the second half of the first act because we're learning about the water. And then

• 1:14:21Amanda Dobbins?

  there's going to be some more water conflict, I guess. And then, you know, 90 minutes of machine guns.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  Oh, you can get jellyfish attached to you and you can swim around. That's sick.

• 1:14:39Amanda Dobbins?

  All right. They're doing, I mean, that, that looks cool. So Chris, this,

• 1:14:45Amanda Dobbins?

  a, a reference here for this world could be Ariel's cavern in Little Mermaid, part of their world, you know?

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  I'm trying to think of some other-

• 1:14:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Except she has like a lot more forks and stuff.

• 1:14:58Speaker 01

  Dope creatures.

• 1:15:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so aliens don't count.

• 1:15:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's not really your thing.

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  Like, would you call Sloth from Goonies a creature?

• 1:15:06Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely not.

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  Right, just a guy.

• 1:15:08Sean Fennessey?

  It's a human.

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  Who loves Milky Ways?

• 1:15:11Sean Fennessey?

  Baby Ruth.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  Baby Ruth.

• 1:15:12Amanda Dobbins?

  What about Slimer?

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  More of an apparition.

• 1:15:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well, you know, there are no bad ideas in a brainstorm.

• 1:15:19Sean Fennessey?

  You, you came right out with Rancor.

• 1:15:21Speaker 01

  Falcor.

• 1:15:22Sean Fennessey?

  Falcor. Rancor?

• 1:15:23Speaker 01

  Rancor is the, what's the thing?

• 1:15:25Sean Fennessey?

  That's from Star Wars.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:26Amanda Dobbins?

  It's also how I feel whenever you're around.

• 1:15:29Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Ranker?

• 1:15:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:30Sean Fennessey?

  That's what you feel when I'm around? It hurts my feelings. Um, you came right out with Falcor. Hot.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Sean Fennessey?

  And then no creatures after that.

• 1:15:40Speaker 01

  Well, because I think that we're getting into semantics here. Like, I was thinking, um-

• 1:15:46Sean Fennessey?

  Because you're not a big fantasy guy.

• 1:15:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I was gonna say Furby's, but that's not what I meant. What are the little waddling? Yeah, but no, the other little guys in Last Jedi.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  Oh, the ones that are like-

• 1:15:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Corgs. Yeah, they were cute.

• 1:15:59Speaker 01

  They're all right.

• 1:15:59Sean Fennessey?

  What about Gizmo from Gremlins?

• 1:16:01Speaker 01

  Is he a creature?

• 1:16:02Sean Fennessey?

  I think so.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, then I like Gizmo.

• 1:16:03Sean Fennessey?

  Do you like Gremlins?

• 1:16:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  What's the Skeksis in the dark crystal?

• 1:16:10Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, yes. Yes, now we're talking.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  Those are cool. They're the bad guys or the good guys?

• 1:16:17Sean Fennessey?

  Those are the bad guys.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're pretty, pretty cool.

• 1:16:19Sean Fennessey?

  Those were gnarly.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  Intimidating.

• 1:16:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:21Speaker 01

  Uh, the, uh, what's the one that throws Gandalf off the bridge? Balroth?

• 1:16:28Sean Fennessey?

  That's Balrog.

• 1:16:29Speaker 01

  Balrog?

• 1:16:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:30Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's a creature?

• 1:16:31Sean Fennessey?

  You shall not pass. Remember that?

• 1:16:36Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I really don't.

• 1:16:38Sean Fennessey?

  Ian McKellen.

• 1:16:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I mean, I-

• 1:16:39Sean Fennessey?

  Wonderful performance.

• 1:16:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sort of like Chris with the avatar. I have seen all of those films, but my memory of them is limited.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Are you sure you've seen all of them?

• 1:16:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Too short. I mean, I've definitely seen the last two. Um-

• 1:16:52Sean Fennessey?

  That's incoherent. Did you see the first one?

• 1:16:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I remember, though, in college, they did a back-to-back of two and three.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  Oh, did you get blackout?

• 1:17:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And I went, no, I did not get blackout for that one. That was just- That was just for Rocky Horror, but um, I did, so I have seen two and three, I went.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  I don't think I've ever seen you blackout drunk.

• 1:17:12Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, that's good. You're maybe the only person on earth, but um.

• 1:17:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Not in a while, you know? I've grown up, I'm mature. Okay, so why are they fighting?

• 1:17:26Sean Fennessey?

  I'm, I'm still fascinated by you seeing Two Towers and.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  And Return of the.

• 1:17:31Sean Fennessey?

  And Return of the King.

• 1:17:32Amanda Dobbins?

  But my memory of it.

• 1:17:34Sean Fennessey?

  But Fellowship of the Ring is fucking fantastic.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  Oh, it's awesome. Those three movies rule.

• 1:17:38Sean Fennessey?

  They're great.

• 1:17:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  What is, when are they hunting for Gollum? Like, when does that happen?

• 1:17:44Sean Fennessey?

  The hunt for Gollum?

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Hobbit and Fellowship of the Ring?

• 1:17:48Sean Fennessey?

  I thought it's bef- uh, yes, yes.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  But why would they be hunting for him?

• 1:17:54Sean Fennessey?

  Um, because he has the ring, right?

• 1:17:57Speaker 01

  But who's hunt, like, like I thought they had let the ring kind of pass into like.

• 1:18:00Sean Fennessey?

  Seal Team Six.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  God, bro.

• 1:18:06Sean Fennessey?

  Now that's.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  That is.

• 1:18:07Sean Fennessey?

  That is David Ellison's Paramount right there.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  We need to get generative AI on that. Seal Team Six hunting Gollum?

• 1:18:17Sean Fennessey?

  This is free money. This money is free. Uh, and if we could just get the Na'vi involved somehow, now we're talking.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Get it, get, get She-Hulk in there. What other characters can we get involved?

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  This is a, you know, a popular but difficult to master cooking style with the banana leaves.

• 1:18:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. What do you like to put in there? Piece of fish, little bit of.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a, a nice, like, white fish.

• 1:18:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, black tar heroin, maybe. Chuck that up.

• 1:18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I, I was thinking about, you remember the Tall Day Fish?

• 1:18:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:46Amanda Dobbins?

  The Tall Day Fish, that's recommended to cook in the banana leaf, but I often have trouble sourcing it in short notice.

• 1:18:53Sean Fennessey?

  This scene is like, there's like a replica of this scene in the third film.

• 1:18:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, there are many replicas of many scenes. I, I don't know.

• 1:19:00Sean Fennessey?

  I did read that they were.

• 1:19:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it happening?

• 1:19:01Sean Fennessey?

  Written simultaneously and split in half.

• 1:19:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, that's always the way.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Solo credited writer on these?

• 1:19:06Sean Fennessey?

  No, um, I believe it's.

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  Sorkin?

• 1:19:09Sean Fennessey?

  Is it Amanda Jaffe? And Scott Silver, I want to say.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  Scott Silver, huh?

• 1:19:15Sean Fennessey?

  No, Amanda Silver and Rick Jaffa, excuse me.

• 1:19:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:19:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:20Sean Fennessey?

  They are writing Duo. And their other films include The Hand, The Rocks, The Cradle.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  The new one?

• 1:19:26Sean Fennessey?

  No, the 1992 version, the Planet of the Apes films from the 2010s, the Matt Reeves movies.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:32Sean Fennessey?

  They wrote Jurassic World.

• 1:19:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Which one's that?

• 1:19:35Sean Fennessey?

  They wrote the Mulan live action remake.

• 1:19:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:19:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's blue, yeah.

• 1:19:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so this looks fun. This is like jet skis. But, you know, with nature.

• 1:19:47Sean Fennessey?

  They're dolphin jet skis.

• 1:19:48Amanda Dobbins?

  That's cool. What's this, what's the like big scissors thing?

• 1:19:52Sean Fennessey?

  The big scissors?

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  They're all holding big scissors.

• 1:19:55Sean Fennessey?

  Those are arrows. Those are, that's a bow.

• 1:19:58Amanda Dobbins?

  That's a bow?

• 1:19:59Sean Fennessey?

  I'm fairly certain, yeah.

• 1:20:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  So this is kind of like, um.

• 1:20:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's like a, um, a tensile bow that like straps back.

• 1:20:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Got it, okay.

• 1:20:06Speaker 01

  National influence Christmas vacation. Everybody's kind of arrived at this place, right?

• 1:20:10Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it is a lot like that.

• 1:20:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, are we about to meet someone important? Okay, this seems.

• 1:20:18Sean Fennessey?

  I don't, is it, is it right now?

• 1:20:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. It's just like they're, they're out in the world.

• 1:20:23Sean Fennessey?

  Precious friend.

• 1:20:24Amanda Dobbins?

  And they're like about to, it just, there's a sense of wonder building.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Actor cameo, or is it just a?

• 1:20:29Sean Fennessey?

  In a manner of speaking.

• 1:20:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Speaker 01

  DiCaprio.

• 1:20:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Serene music is playing, so that is, there we go. Call the fish.

• 1:20:35Sean Fennessey?

  Call the fish.

• 1:20:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so they're speaking a special language. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:40Sean Fennessey?

  I love.

• 1:20:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that looks remarkably like a pair of nail scissors. I just want to point that out there.

• 1:20:45Sean Fennessey?

  You see, it's got an arrow at the end of it there.

• 1:20:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I do.

• 1:20:48Sean Fennessey?

  I think they're on the hunt here.

• 1:20:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:20:51Sean Fennessey?

  They're hunting for fish. And they're trying to, they're, they're mocking him.

• 1:20:54Speaker 01

  Are they gonna find out that he actually is able to do this? Or is he gonna drown and they're gonna get in trouble?

• 1:20:59Sean Fennessey?

  They're gonna bail on him.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  That's fucked up.

• 1:21:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, but then, okay.

• 1:21:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, this is sad, you know.

• 1:21:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:21:06Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he got the fish.

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Was he not supposed to have done that?

• 1:21:08Sean Fennessey?

  Well, now he's all alone and watch out here comes a big fish more than likely, right? To chase after him.

• 1:21:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, he's alone. They're not being very nice.

• 1:21:18Sean Fennessey?

  I told you guys the story of the kid who got invited to the party at my house.

• 1:21:23Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:21:23Amanda Dobbins?

  No. Is this sad?

• 1:21:25Sean Fennessey?

  It's the saddest story in the world. Do you want to hear it?

• 1:21:27Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:21:28Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think their parents are listening? No. Okay. Um, I was fourteen.

• 1:21:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, this is awful.

• 1:21:35Sean Fennessey?

  Just went to high school. Oh, this guy.

• 1:21:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. But that's not.

• 1:21:40Sean Fennessey?

  That's not what we're waiting for.

• 1:21:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's not who we're waiting for.

• 1:21:42Sean Fennessey?

  That's just a giant fish.

• 1:21:43Amanda Dobbins?

  That's an evil shark fish.

• 1:21:45Sean Fennessey?

  And of course, he's chasing that guy. Oh, no. Which is not ideal for our guy. Is this Lowak? Who is the young, you know, what's the young boy's name? I forget his name. Lowak might be the other son.

• 1:21:54Amanda Dobbins?

  It's probably, no, I think it's Lowak because he makes the bond with Lowak, right?

• 1:21:58Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, I think that's the older son. I could be wrong. Um, so I'm fourteen years old. Um, I have a doubleheader baseball game. To umpire or play? I was playing. It was in Wisconsin on Long Island. And, uh, I never, I never umpired a doubleheader. That's a lot of work. Yeah. Um, caught both games. Long day.

• 1:22:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:22:18Sean Fennessey?

  Saturday evening, I get home.

• 1:22:20Amanda Dobbins?

  This is awful. This is, I'm just like really, really sad.

• 1:22:24Sean Fennessey?

  Arrive in my house. There's a, a. A boy there. A kid sitting on the stoop. Yeah. On the front porch. I have heard this story. He just moved to the neighborhood like three months earlier. And he's holding a bottle, a two-liter bottle of Pepsi.

• 1:22:40Sean Fennessey?

  And me and my mom pull up. And this poor kid says, he bounds up, runs up to me and says, hey, man, I'm here for the party. Said somebody pranked him? And my, I guess, friends of mine told him that there was a party at my house that started at five o'clock. I got home at six o'clock. He sat on my porch for at least half an hour.

• 1:23:02Amanda Dobbins?

  That's awful.

• 1:23:03Sean Fennessey?

  I, it was the most pain I think I've ever been for another person in my life. I could not have felt worse for this kid. I mean, he was like a nice kid who was like, we weren't good friends or anything, but I was, he was not somebody that I was picking on. Yeah. And I think that's why they picked me to be the house, to do that to this poor kid. And I, I felt like such a deep hurt for this kid.

• 1:23:22Amanda Dobbins?

  What did you do?

• 1:23:23Sean Fennessey?

  I just told him the truth. I said, there's no party here. I'm really sorry. I just got home from a baseball game. And then? I'm really sorry.

• 1:23:28Amanda Dobbins?

  You kind of like ordered pizza.

• 1:23:29Sean Fennessey?

  Did his dad start Oracle? Uh.

• 1:23:36Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  And now he's.

• 1:23:37Sean Fennessey?

  And now he's a real boy.

• 1:23:38Speaker 01

  Now he's gonna take away all the IP that we love to punish us.

• 1:23:42Sean Fennessey?

  Not only that, but he's gonna delete every episode of The Big Picture because of what happened to him on that day.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  No, you fucking elevate you.

• 1:23:49Sean Fennessey?

  I hope so.

• 1:23:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so he can't, he's grunting, he's having a hard time in the coral reef.

• 1:23:53Sean Fennessey?

  His poor kid is trapped.

• 1:23:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  Maybe he can breathe underwater, so he's got that.

• 1:23:56Sean Fennessey?

  He can, but he's still learning how to do it.

• 1:23:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, and here comes the fish again.

• 1:24:02Amanda Dobbins?

  So that, this is the bad fish. It's a bad guy.

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  I can't say that's.

• 1:24:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Dun-dah!

• 1:24:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. This is who we're waiting for.

• 1:24:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Here he is.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Is this before, this is a classic Spielberg, big creature hits the little creature.

• 1:24:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so he's taking care of business. Oh, but this guy is about to faint.

• 1:24:25Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he's dead.

• 1:24:26Amanda Dobbins?

  No, that guy.

• 1:24:27Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, this guy, yes.

• 1:24:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we don't know his name, he's gagging. Yeah.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Oh, but does he bond with the biggest fish?

• 1:24:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, of, you bet he does.

• 1:24:34Speaker 01

  And they're like, yo.

• 1:24:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, he's a whale.

• 1:24:36Speaker 01

  Something special about this kid.

• 1:24:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  The ball pops out of the hand.

• 1:24:40Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go.

• 1:24:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's like, this kid reminds me of Wemby.

• 1:24:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Very beautiful.

• 1:24:48Sean Fennessey?

  He's been brought to shore by this magical creature. This, this creature.

• 1:24:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Is he, has he been brought to shore? Is he resting on the creature?

• 1:24:55Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yes, he's resting on the creature.

• 1:24:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  So they've bonded.

• 1:24:58Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful, yeah.

• 1:25:00Sean Fennessey?

  So this is, this is Pya Khan, Chris.

• 1:25:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:25:04Sean Fennessey?

  This is a whale.

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  Voiced by?

• 1:25:08Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Jim Carrey.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  So he's like, somebody stop me.

• 1:25:14Sean Fennessey?

  Smokin'.

• 1:25:18Sean Fennessey?

  Pya Khan doesn't use words to communicate.

• 1:25:20Speaker 01

  Of course not.

• 1:25:21Sean Fennessey?

  He does, he does communicate in his own whale language.

• 1:25:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  And this kid understands it.

• 1:25:26Sean Fennessey?

  Well, they come to understand each other over time, but he is a majestic creature.

• 1:25:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no.

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  Oh, shit, he caught one?

• 1:25:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Pya Khan, no.

• 1:25:35Speaker 01

  Oh, god, brother.

• 1:25:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:38Sean Fennessey?

  Pyacon to me is worth the price of admission for this film.

• 1:25:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I totally agree. So Tuken is the type of whale that he is or the type of mammal.

• 1:25:48Speaker 01

  Did you study that or does this?

• 1:25:50Amanda Dobbins?

  No, that is like all I remember.

• 1:25:51Sean Fennessey?

  It comes up frequently.

• 1:25:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and so actually when Pyacon shows up in Avatar 3, I turned to.

• 1:25:59Speaker 01

  Is that a spoiler?

• 1:26:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so. I turned to Sean and I said, is that Tuken? Because I didn't remember Pyacon, but I did remember Tuken. So they talk, they're important, the Tuken.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  Were many people turning to their seatmates and asking questions and chatting? Or were you guys ruining it for other people?

• 1:26:14Sean Fennessey?

  It was just me, Amanda and Jim Cameron in the screening.

• 1:26:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, he's getting, oh, he's trying to get this thing out. Uh, my dad has responded to the Lane Kiffin tweet, who wouldn't want to leave Ole Miss?

• 1:26:29Sean Fennessey?

  Shots!

• 1:26:32Speaker 01

  It just means more down there, man.

• 1:26:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:34Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cool. He's helping him out.

• 1:26:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that is nice.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  It's like the pit.

• 1:26:38Sean Fennessey?

  This is like the pit. They should do the pit, but in, on Pandora.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  In Navi, yeah.

• 1:26:44Speaker 01

  Well, if we get enough corporate mergers, maybe we can get there.

• 1:26:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:26:48Sean Fennessey?

  If we get Paramount and, uh, and Warner's together, for sure. That's in play, right?

• 1:26:53Speaker 01

  But I guess 20th Century Studios, at least the Avatar idea.

• 1:26:56Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, shoot. Yeah. Should they all just come together?

• 1:26:59Speaker 01

  Do you think that there's somebody at Disney in Burbank right now is just like, why, why can't Captain America be in Pandora?

• 1:27:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, this is.

• 1:27:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, of course.

• 1:27:08Sean Fennessey?

  There is somebody who is doing that and that person should be sent to hell.

• 1:27:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 1:27:12Sean Fennessey?

  Because they're, they're probably putting it in Free Guy 2. I mean, that was what Free Guy was.

• 1:27:16Speaker 01

  That is what Free Guy was.

• 1:27:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:18Sean Fennessey?

  Wouldn't it be sick if Captain America had a lightsaber?

• 1:27:21Amanda Dobbins?

  And they'll do that, but Bob Iger won't let, uh, Kylo Ren live, you know, in a prequel situation.

• 1:27:28Speaker 01

  We can hunt for Gollum, but we can't hunt for Ben Solo.

• 1:27:30Sean Fennessey?

  It's a cowardly act.

• 1:27:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Bob.

• 1:27:32Sean Fennessey?

  Empower creatives. That's what, that's Disney's legacy.

• 1:27:36Amanda Dobbins?

  So this is nice. So now they're swimming together. They're buds. He's sort of like, he has like lobster like claws.

• 1:27:44Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, he has a sea turtle kind of.

• 1:27:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:47Sean Fennessey?

  Scale quality.

• 1:27:49Amanda Dobbins?

  But like a double.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  A blue whale meets a turtle, but also like a dune sandworm, but also like the projection of the sand.

• 1:27:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Like that, look at that.

• 1:28:00Sean Fennessey?

  From beneath is pure whale. This is pure whale.

• 1:28:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Claw situation. I mean, just think about how delicious that would be. I haven't had lobster.

• 1:28:06Sean Fennessey?

  Whale undercarriage, pro or negative?

• 1:28:11Speaker 01

  Whale undercarriage?

• 1:28:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Lobster?

• 1:28:13Sean Fennessey?

  Of course.

• 1:28:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I, I never know with you.

• 1:28:16Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean?

• 1:28:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I, but scallops or no, you said.

• 1:28:19Sean Fennessey?

  Don't like scallops.

• 1:28:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Scallops or no lobster, yes.

• 1:28:21Sean Fennessey?

  I tell you, what's a, what's a small, a base scallop, small scallop?

• 1:28:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:24Sean Fennessey?

  I'll have a base scallop.

• 1:28:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  Do you have clams?

• 1:28:25Sean Fennessey?

  Base scallop and, and with some pasta is nice. A large scallop that has been like pan seared.

• 1:28:31Speaker 01

  You know what I've never seen you do is tuck into a bowl of mussels and frites.

• 1:28:35Sean Fennessey?

  Well, funny you should ask.

• 1:28:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. You had a bad.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  Once there was a 14 year old boy in my house.

• 1:28:41Sean Fennessey?

  That same boy brought over a bucket of mussels the next morning and we ate them together and nearly died. No, I had, I had a bad muscle in 2014 and I'll never go back. I'll never go back. And by bad, I mean like the worst night of my life. Like the most ill I've ever been. And I just can't go back. And I'm prior to that moment, I would have eaten mussels every day. I loved that.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  I used to think that I was impervious to food poisoning. Until I was in Norway and I was on an island in Norway at a lovely dinner. Um, and a man who I think owned this restaurant was serving oysters, fresh oysters. But was like really getting his thumb in there.

• 1:29:20Amanda Dobbins?

  She thinks she's connected to Awa.

• 1:29:21Speaker 01

  And.

• 1:29:22Amanda Dobbins?

  That's important.

• 1:29:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, it is important.

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  My, my lasting memory of this experience is eating oysters, eating, I feel, I don't feel good about this, but a whale burger.

• 1:29:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  And seeing this man driving a boat off.

• 1:29:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, advertising about respecting local cultures.

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  Driving away from the, from the restaurant in a boat and be like, who was that guy? Did he work here or what? Or was he just bringing oysters by?

• 1:29:44Sean Fennessey?

  Chris, I have some news for you. That man was your real father.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  They're getting violently ill.

• 1:29:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, that is really tough.

• 1:29:50Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think it was his thumb or the whale?

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  I ate so much weird stuff that night. That was like the outer limits of like how adventurous I am as an eater, which I am quite adventurous.

• 1:30:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Until someone tries to serve you a lovely mushroom skewer.

• 1:30:04Speaker 01

  I didn't, I, that's not about adventure. That was about the flavor profile of that mushroom.

• 1:30:08Sean Fennessey?

  What was the profile?

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  I just thought it was pretty earthy and fine, but like Amanda looked at me.

• 1:30:13Amanda Dobbins?

  But he made eye contact.

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  The future of the West.

• 1:30:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Because what he did was he lied to me. He looked at me straight in the eyes and he was like, that's dynamite. And he was just lying and it was a terrible lie.

• 1:30:24Sean Fennessey?

  From time to time.

• 1:30:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but I'll never forget.

• 1:30:27Sean Fennessey?

  You know, he's very kind.

• 1:30:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, look, that is a planet, but that planet looks a lot like Jupiter.

• 1:30:33Speaker 01

  Is it?

• 1:30:33Amanda Dobbins?

  That was a really big planet. That looks a lot like Jupiter and/or the planet that is crashing into Earth at the end of Melancholia. So.

• 1:30:41Sean Fennessey?

  I believe this is a different solar system from Earth.

• 1:30:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I'm just saying it's planet coded.

• 1:30:47Sean Fennessey?

  Very well could be a planet.

• 1:30:48Amanda Dobbins?

  But you know what?

• 1:30:49Sean Fennessey?

  If this is in fact a moon, perhaps that is the planet.

• 1:30:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. That's right. And you see the.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  Do you like other Lars movies or just Melancholia?

• 1:30:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Really just Melancholia? It's, I mean.

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  Cause I think Lars mommy would also be a really good move for you.

• 1:31:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  You're just like, it's time to watch Antichrist again?

• 1:31:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. I mean, I don't like, I, I respect it.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess, but not really. Um, no, I do, but it weirds me out.

• 1:31:16Speaker 01

  I'm an OG. Saw Europa in the, in theaters.

• 1:31:20Amanda Dobbins?

  There you go.

• 1:31:21Sean Fennessey?

  Like 1987?

• 1:31:23Speaker 01

  No, it's like the nineties.

• 1:31:25Sean Fennessey?

  Was Europa in the nineties?

• 1:31:26Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 1:31:29Speaker 01

  I was like, this guy's one to watch.

• 1:31:31Sean Fennessey?

  Who'd you say that to?

• 1:31:34Sean Fennessey?

  When you were 10?

• 1:31:35Speaker 01

  This 14 year old boy said next week.

• 1:31:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. So, but why are people?

• 1:31:41Speaker 01

  You never got to the bottom of this?

• 1:31:42Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 1:31:42Sean Fennessey?

  Bottom of what?

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  What happened to the boy? Which one of your friends set him up?

• 1:31:46Sean Fennessey?

  I know who did it.

• 1:31:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:31:48Speaker 01

  See, they're listening?

• 1:31:49Sean Fennessey?

  It's in play.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Was it pants?

• 1:31:52Sean Fennessey?

  No, that was a college friend.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  Was it Chris?

• 1:31:54Sean Fennessey?

  Could have been. Probably was.

• 1:31:56Speaker 01

  You think he's listening?

• 1:31:57Sean Fennessey?

  He does from time to time.

• 1:31:59Amanda Dobbins?

  They're having some strategic.

• 1:32:02Speaker 01

  But this guy, it's not his fault.

• 1:32:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yes. No, it is his, it's not his fault, but I think they left the compound without.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  Why is he ashamed?

• 1:32:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Why?

• 1:32:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I just, that, that is not Dr. Becky parenting, is what I would say.

• 1:32:24Sean Fennessey?

  Jake Sully has some struggles as a, as a boy dad.

• 1:32:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:28Sean Fennessey?

  He really, you know, he's raised.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  He's all right.

• 1:32:31Sean Fennessey?

  Probably by a military man. You think it's a kid's fault?

• 1:32:34Speaker 01

  Well, what's the, what is his issue? What did he do wrong? Rode the whale?

• 1:32:39Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, yes, among other things.

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  And that's like, cause it's.

• 1:32:42Sean Fennessey?

  For a while.

• 1:32:42Amanda Dobbins?

  You're not allowed to ride the whale?

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  But these other kids abandoned him.

• 1:32:48Sean Fennessey?

  Well.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  Oh, and this dude's like, why didn't you rat me out?

• 1:32:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:51Speaker 01

  Oh, that's sick.

• 1:32:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. And so then she's like, so does she look like Sigourney Weaver to you?

• 1:32:57Sean Fennessey?

  I was just gonna ask that. Are you getting Sigourney?

• 1:32:59Amanda Dobbins?

  That's Sigourney Weaver. She had.

• 1:33:00Sean Fennessey?

  Lane Kierney, the 14 year old girl.

• 1:33:03Amanda Dobbins?

  But now that you know, like, watch the mannerisms a little, I see it.

• 1:33:07Sean Fennessey?

  Of course.

• 1:33:08Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's.

• 1:33:09Sean Fennessey?

  That's Kate Winslet.

• 1:33:09Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's Kate Winslet.

• 1:33:10Speaker 01

  Young Kate Winslet or?

• 1:33:12Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no.

• 1:33:13Sean Fennessey?

  Young Kate Winslet?

• 1:33:14Speaker 01

  No, is she, I thought Kate Winslet was like the mom who greeted them all and gave them a lot of shit.

• 1:33:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:20Sean Fennessey?

  That's her.

• 1:33:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, that's the friend.

• 1:33:22Sean Fennessey?

  Is that her daughter?

• 1:33:23Amanda Dobbins?

  That's her daughter. Yeah.

• 1:33:23Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:33:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Sorry. They, no.

• 1:33:25Sean Fennessey?

  They look a lot alike.

• 1:33:26Amanda Dobbins?

  They do. Okay.

• 1:33:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. So then they're talking about whether Pycon is good or bad. Yeah.

• 1:33:36Sean Fennessey?

  It was Loach.

• 1:33:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:37Sean Fennessey?

  Who did form the bond with Pycon.

• 1:33:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, because he's translating for him throughout the thing. Come on. You gotta respect the, the ocean. Okay.

• 1:33:45Sean Fennessey?

  You were saying, you said something very rude when we were watching the movie last night, when you were like, I don't care about any of these characters, but I disagree.

• 1:33:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 1:33:50Sean Fennessey?

  I like these kids.

• 1:33:51Amanda Dobbins?

  We were just watching for people I didn't really care about. I care about Pycon a lot.

• 1:33:55Sean Fennessey?

  Hey, Pycon's very important.

• 1:33:56Amanda Dobbins?

  But I also just didn't, this, what I meant in that moment.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Now he's out there, he's trying to find Pycon again. Gotcha.

• 1:34:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Was that the.

• 1:34:02Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:34:03Amanda Dobbins?

  The movie was not effectively communicating.

• 1:34:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:34:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Like stakes and motivation of these people. They were just like running back and forth for a while. And I was like, I don't care.

• 1:34:13Sean Fennessey?

  Fair enough.

• 1:34:14Amanda Dobbins?

  That was my note. Okay. So Lane Kiffin, he's leaving and people are mad.

• 1:34:18Speaker 01

  Hold on, I wanna see what Pycon says.

• 1:34:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:20Speaker 01

  It's too people to even talk about?

• 1:34:23Sean Fennessey?

  He's, he doesn't, he can't trust anybody.

• 1:34:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:34:29Amanda Dobbins?

  How did he learn Pycon's language?

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  Wow, man, this is deeply moving.

• 1:34:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, this should, look at that, it's beautiful.

• 1:34:35Speaker 01

  This is the best part of the movie.

• 1:34:36Amanda Dobbins?

  It's incredible.

• 1:34:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:39Speaker 01

  It's a good movie about friendship. Yeah.

• 1:34:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:42Speaker 01

  Does anything bad happen to Pycon? Well, you'll have to watch.

• 1:34:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:34:46Speaker 01

  Lane Kiffin.

• 1:34:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:48Speaker 01

  He was at Ole Miss, he rebuilt Ole Miss, right? Yeah, yeah.

• 1:34:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Did he?

• 1:34:52Speaker 01

  They're having a good season. They're having a great season. And they largely built their team on the transfer portal where you bring kids in.

• 1:34:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Familiar.

• 1:35:00Speaker 01

  But as Van explained and Todd McShay explained on Sunday night on Bill and then their other pods, Higher Learning and, or not Higher Learning, Tailgate and, and the Todd McShay Show. Louisiana just has a fertile recruiting ground. One of the great talent centers of football in this country. Yep.

• 1:35:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  And if he can build a team of homegrown players.

• 1:35:21Amanda Dobbins?

  They're going faster.

• 1:35:22Speaker 01

  And use his own, you know, he's a great developer of talent.

• 1:35:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:35:26Speaker 01

  If he can find himself a Pycon. But.

• 1:35:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:35:28Speaker 01

  He has never left a place without utterly fucking destroying it on the way out or completely embarrassing himself on the way out.

• 1:35:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, okay.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  And so he did it again.

• 1:35:37Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, so what did he do this time?

• 1:35:39Speaker 01

  He took this job at LSU reportedly several weeks ago, if not a week ago, bought a house in Baton Rouge, pretended like he was still preying on it for like another week.

• 1:35:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  But basically wanted Ole Miss to let him stay and coach Ole Miss in the playoffs, even though he was already going to be working for LSU.

• 1:35:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, that's unrealistic.

• 1:35:59Speaker 01

  Go, go fuck yourself.

• 1:36:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, who were his advisors on that?

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  Jimmy Sexton, the most powerful agent in college football.

• 1:36:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:36:05Speaker 01

  And my agent in my, my renegotiation.

• 1:36:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I think Jimmy was out.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  Did you buy your home in Baton Rouge as well?

• 1:36:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Jimmy was out over his skis a little.

• 1:36:14Speaker 01

  Honestly, I think I could do a lot worse in life than to have a third act as like

• 1:36:18Amanda Dobbins?

  There's an eclipse.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  moving to a nice southern city and becoming like. You've said for years, your dream is to be the offensive coordinator of an SEC team. No, it's more of like a North Texas kind of thing. Oh, I see, okay.

• 1:36:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's better. I think SEC is a little more stressed than you want at this point in your life.

• 1:36:34Speaker 01

  You want to be able to shop. Test some of my concepts.

• 1:36:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:36:37Speaker 01

  Or you want to be experimental. Yeah.

• 1:36:38Amanda Dobbins?

  This is the spirit tree for underwater?

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Nobody blocks.

• 1:36:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Underwater spirit tree?

• 1:36:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:44Amanda Dobbins?

  So, but there's a spirit tree in the first one.

• 1:36:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, which is which is dramatically destroyed.

• 1:36:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Ah.

• 1:36:52Sean Fennessey?

  Well, the giant tree is destroyed by the the American military.

• 1:36:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:36:56Sean Fennessey?

  And then there is another gathering tree space that where they connect with Awa and this is also.

• 1:37:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so there are different spirit trees throughout the ecosystem.

• 1:37:04Sean Fennessey?

  Different ways to pray.

• 1:37:05Speaker 01

  What's Jake's plan here? We're just gonna hide out for the rest of our lives in the ocean?

• 1:37:09Sean Fennessey?

  Excellent question. Unclear.

• 1:37:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so they're connecting with the spirit tree. So what are the rules around connecting with the spirit tree?

• 1:37:16Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, you've got these.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  You have to have T-Mobile.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  It's just.

• 1:37:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Billy Bob Thornton has to connect me?

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  I made the request for BBT to come on the watch.

• 1:37:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my god. I'd love it.

• 1:37:28Sean Fennessey?

  For who?

• 1:37:29Speaker 01

  Billy Bob Thornton to come on the watch. I think he and I will get along very well. Or.

• 1:37:34Sean Fennessey?

  I do not.

• 1:37:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so she, hold on. Yo, look who it is.

• 1:37:37Speaker 01

  Oh, it's Sigourney.

• 1:37:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so now also watch Sigourney act against Sigourney and tell me what you think.

• 1:37:42Sean Fennessey?

  My beautiful daughter.

• 1:37:43Amanda Dobbins?

  My beautiful daughter.

• 1:37:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm. Okay.

• 1:37:50Sean Fennessey?

  I legitimately find all this stuff very moving.

• 1:37:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, it's Sigourney Weaver.

• 1:37:53Speaker 01

  Do you think you would without a child?

• 1:37:56Sean Fennessey?

  Probably not.

• 1:37:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:01Sean Fennessey?

  But you know what? That's just life.

• 1:38:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:03Sean Fennessey?

  That's just the truth. That's the truth of my life.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  That's why I find, um.

• 1:38:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, but so now why is she blue?

• 1:38:10Sean Fennessey?

  Well, she's she's having a spiritual experience where she's she's.

• 1:38:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:38:14Sean Fennessey?

  She's seeing she's seeing visions of Awa. She's not really actually seeing these things.

• 1:38:18Amanda Dobbins?

  That Awa, does she know that?

• 1:38:22Speaker 01

  Is Stephen Lang her dad, too?

• 1:38:23Amanda Dobbins?

  The blue person is Sigourney Weaver, like IRL?

• 1:38:27Speaker 01

  Does she go to Stanford?

• 1:38:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Or like, not IRL, but like in the, okay.

• 1:38:31Speaker 01

  Oh, shit.

• 1:38:32Sean Fennessey?

  I, I, she's just having visions. That's really.

• 1:38:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but that we're cutting from like it's it's Sigourney without the blue.

• 1:38:39Sean Fennessey?

  I think what she's trying to make sense of is like the what?

• 1:38:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no.

• 1:38:42Sean Fennessey?

  What is the logic of her parenthood, of the parenthood? And, you know, we come to find out over time that it's not as natural

• 1:38:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:38:52Sean Fennessey?

  as some of the other Navi.

• 1:38:53Speaker 01

  So Sigourney Weaver is her own mom.

• 1:38:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:38:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Sort of, yeah.

• 1:38:59Speaker 01

  But we don't know who the father is.

• 1:39:01Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  And it's like, can you now create Navi?

• 1:39:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's ki- it's it's kind of an immaculate conception, kind of a cloning thing.

• 1:39:09Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:39:10Sean Fennessey?

  Like, it's both.

• 1:39:11Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 1:39:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:39:13Sean Fennessey?

  And that's very important because Kiri becomes a very important figure in this world because she has extraordinary power and access to Awa that other Navi do.

• 1:39:22Speaker 01

  Have these guys ever seen a helicopter like this before?

• 1:39:27Sean Fennessey?

  Well, this guy's a marine.

• 1:39:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but the other guys.

• 1:39:32Sean Fennessey?

  These other guys are humans in Navi bodies. That's Joel David Moore, actor in a Navi body. And he's a scientist who is one of the key partners in the first film.

• 1:39:43Amanda Dobbins?

  That's Caitlin Winslet.

• 1:39:44Sean Fennessey?

  She's very pregnant.

• 1:39:45Speaker 01

  She's mad.

• 1:39:48Amanda Dobbins?

  But she can still hold her breath.

• 1:39:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, she's giving I can dig a hole energy right now.

• 1:39:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so she does like, she's sort of, you know, she's like Maha medicine, you know? But then.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  Homeopathic.

• 1:40:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:07Amanda Dobbins?

  But, you know, they're like

• 1:40:11Amanda Dobbins?

  super aggro military people, so.

• 1:40:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, everybody's checking their phones.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Just a quick text. Oh, I got a text from Ayana Presley. She wants, she wants to let me know that I'm needed in the fight for democracy.

• 1:40:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, great, okay.

• 1:40:23Sean Fennessey?

  Ayana Presley?

• 1:40:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:24Sean Fennessey?

  Nice. And are you gonna leave right now and join her? You're gonna finish the film or is it urgent?

• 1:40:34Speaker 01

  I had to leave this screening to join the squad.

• 1:40:39Sean Fennessey?

  Who are you replacing in the squad?

• 1:40:40Speaker 01

  No, I'm additive.

• 1:40:43Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think the squad needs a stronger male vision? Yeah. A white ally?

• 1:40:48Speaker 01

  No, one ally.

• 1:40:49Sean Fennessey?

  What about a white vision?

• 1:40:50Amanda Dobbins?

  They're, they're explaining the seizure. This is important. So she's not allowed to plug into the spirit tree anymore.

• 1:40:56Sean Fennessey?

  That's right.

• 1:40:56Amanda Dobbins?

  But this person can do cocaine on a dead body.

• 1:40:59Sean Fennessey?

  Well.

• 1:41:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:01Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, these are ancient, ancient traditions of revagification.

• 1:41:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:41:08Amanda Dobbins?

  There she goes, but she's not allowed.

• 1:41:09Speaker 01

  Kate Winslet fixed her.

• 1:41:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:11Speaker 01

  Where modern science couldn't.

• 1:41:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly.

• 1:41:13Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think I realized how much of a backseat Nateri takes in this film.

• 1:41:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. In the, I mean, they've left the forest, so now.

• 1:41:23Sean Fennessey?

  I know, but she's, she, she is the first movie.

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  But this is an away game for her.

• 1:41:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:28Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 1:41:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:29Amanda Dobbins?

  This is about fathers and sons.

• 1:41:30Sean Fennessey?

  She has a very strong role in the third film.

• 1:41:32Speaker 01

  It's like golf outdoors, you know?

• 1:41:34Sean Fennessey?

  Can't trust it.

• 1:41:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:35Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Seventeen for thirty-two, one hundred and ninety yards, zero TDs, two picks. That's golf outside. Golf indoors?

• 1:41:43Amanda Dobbins?

  So just to be clear, you're doing G O F F and not G O L F, which I was like, oh no.

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  Golf, we're talking about the Detroit Lions quarterback.

• 1:41:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:41:52Sean Fennessey?

  Alice's favorite football team, the Lions.

• 1:41:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Why?

• 1:41:55Sean Fennessey?

  Because they're Lions.

• 1:41:56Speaker 01

  And they're cool colors.

• 1:41:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Got it.

• 1:41:58Sean Fennessey?

  Cool colors?

• 1:41:58Speaker 01

  The silver helmet, I think, is iconic.

• 1:42:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I guess so. Speaking of Saquon, what's up with this, man? What's going on?

• 1:42:07Amanda Dobbins?

  The Eagles?

• 1:42:08Sean Fennessey?

  I don't want to talk about the Eagles. I want to talk about why Saquon sucks.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  I don't want to get into whether or not running backs fall off a cliff after a certain amount of carries.

• 1:42:17Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't want to get into that.

• 1:42:18Sean Fennessey?

  I know that's what's been suggested.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  We also have not had Lane Johnson for a significant part of the season.

• 1:42:23Sean Fennessey?

  Aha.

• 1:42:24Speaker 01

  And I also think that

• 1:42:25Sean Fennessey?

  Play calling.

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  Uh, they are not as creative in the run game as they used to be.

• 1:42:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:42:31Sean Fennessey?

  I'm only asking because I drafted him in the Ringer Fantasy Football League and it has been a grave disappointment.

• 1:42:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, the offense all season long has been.

• 1:42:38Speaker 01

  Oh, we got some humans.

• 1:42:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Truly embarrassing.

• 1:42:42Sean Fennessey?

  Right, so this is where the story really kicks in.

• 1:42:44Speaker 01

  Can I pee?

• 1:42:45Sean Fennessey?

  I would wait a minute.

• 1:42:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, and then we can.

• 1:42:48Sean Fennessey?

  And then we'll take our break.

• 1:42:49Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, that's very exciting.

• 1:42:51Sean Fennessey?

  How long have we been going?

• 1:42:52Speaker 01

  It's three oh eights. We've been going for like two hours.

• 1:42:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm, more like an hour and a half. Yeah, so we're like halfway.

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:42:59Sean Fennessey?

  Let's just set the stage here and see what these guys are after, and then we'll take a quick break for the listeners and for ourselves.

• 1:43:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I see. Okay. Okay.

• 1:43:08Speaker 01

  Oh, Ayanna Pressley was more saying that she's heard everybody calling for her to run for the Senate.

• 1:43:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:14Speaker 01

  But she feels like her, uh, she's more needed in the House.

• 1:43:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, got it, okay.

• 1:43:19Sean Fennessey?

  That's, I sent a similar message this morning.

• 1:43:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so these people are tracking the water.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a flood of the cockpits.

• 1:43:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Jimmy Komet.

• 1:43:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and he's a marine biologist.

• 1:43:33Sean Fennessey?

  And this fellow here is a hunter.

• 1:43:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:43:37Amanda Dobbins?

  He hunts toucun.

• 1:43:38Sean Fennessey?

  He's a whale hunter.

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:43:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:43:46Amanda Dobbins?

  So they're looking for Jake Sully.

• 1:43:51Speaker 01

  Is this guy South African?

• 1:43:52Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, probably, yeah. And.

• 1:43:55Speaker 01

  No offense, but.

• 1:43:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you see now you see me, now you don't?

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  No, I haven't.

• 1:43:59Amanda Dobbins?

  You just.

• 1:44:00Speaker 01

  Is there a South African?

• 1:44:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Just trust me.

• 1:44:01Sean Fennessey?

  Do you not know about this?

• 1:44:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:44:03Sean Fennessey?

  You don't know about this?

• 1:44:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Rosamund Pike plays a South African.

• 1:44:06Speaker 01

  Like Danny Acha?

• 1:44:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Like Diamond.

• 1:44:08Sean Fennessey?

  A Diamond princess.

• 1:44:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Villain, yeah.

• 1:44:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. A Diamond heiress Bond villain. It's incredible.

• 1:44:15Amanda Dobbins?

  It's.

• 1:44:15Sean Fennessey?

  And she's doing full-blown South African accent.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:44:18Amanda Dobbins?

  It's so funny.

• 1:44:19Sean Fennessey?

  You will jerk off to it. Like, I swear to God.

• 1:44:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:44:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, let's pause.

• 1:44:24Amanda Dobbins?

  So the whales are coming back, but also whale hunters are there. This is problematic.

• 1:44:29Sean Fennessey?

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• 1:44:35Amanda Dobbins?

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• 1:46:08Sean Fennessey?

  And we are back.

• 1:46:14Amanda Dobbins?

  So the two couldn't have come home. I didn't remember that. Where were they?

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  I wanted to just a quick level setting.

• 1:46:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  And say that I'm loving my time with you guys. But I, I, I still think that this is pretty nonsensical, or at least like.

• 1:46:29Sean Fennessey?

  This is uncalled for.

• 1:46:30Speaker 01

  No, I'm not trying to ding it. I'm just saying if you thought I was converting, I thought the pie con thing was cool.

• 1:46:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, there are more. What, what flavor is this pretzel?

• 1:46:42Sean Fennessey?

  It's a seasoned.

• 1:46:44Amanda Dobbins?

  With what?

• 1:46:45Sean Fennessey?

  Crack, crack cocaine.

• 1:46:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:46:50Sean Fennessey?

  That doesn't really sound, I mean, you've not had a seasoned snack before?

• 1:46:53Speaker 01

  Dot?

• 1:46:54Sean Fennessey?

  Like a seasoned snack mix?

• 1:46:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I wasn't expecting it.

• 1:46:57Sean Fennessey?

  This is the original flavor of Dot's pretzels.

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  I got, I hit up TJ's for the step up to the bar snack mix today.

• 1:47:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, beautiful.

• 1:47:05Speaker 01

  In stock.

• 1:47:06Sean Fennessey?

  What's in that?

• 1:47:07Speaker 01

  It's your usual snack mix.

• 1:47:09Sean Fennessey?

  Well, juice or?

• 1:47:10Speaker 01

  Sesame sticks, uh, maybe like a Brazil nut in there.

• 1:47:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Any like Cheez-It type thing?

• 1:47:15Speaker 01

  Kinda, yeah. They got some wild shit in there.

• 1:47:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I ordered a bucket of potato chips for the holiday party this year. Like a, like a large bucket.

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  Will you keep it in there?

• 1:47:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:47:26Speaker 01

  That's gonna be a germ factory.

• 1:47:27Sean Fennessey?

  Put your hands in the potato bucket?

• 1:47:30Amanda Dobbins?

  You just have to put a hand in the bowl, Sean. It's no different.

• 1:47:32Sean Fennessey?

  Pull it, pull a chip off the top.

• 1:47:34Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a large bucket. It's like, it's like this big.

• 1:47:39Speaker 01

  Support a person like if they dove in?

• 1:47:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Bring your own potato chips to the party. Okay?

• 1:47:42Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Will there also be like a live pangolin that I can murder and eat there as well?

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  Do that. Bring chips to your parties.

• 1:47:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I wish people would always bring potatoes.

• 1:47:56Speaker 01

  Oh, Kate Winslet's now Team Pyicon, huh?

• 1:47:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, your son is beautiful.

• 1:47:59Speaker 01

  Thank you. How is your baby? Come on.

• 1:48:02Sean Fennessey?

  My baby is strong.

• 1:48:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:48:06Sean Fennessey?

  The Tuukun, you know, there's an ancient spiritual creature in their religion.

• 1:48:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Oh, this is cute. Look at that baby.

• 1:48:14Speaker 01

  Damn, dude.

• 1:48:14Amanda Dobbins?

  That baby's swimming.

• 1:48:15Speaker 01

  Is that Kate Winslet's baby? Or Zoe Saldana's baby?

• 1:48:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I guess so, because the baby's not in her belly anymore.

• 1:48:21Speaker 01

  Oh, so we've, we've, some time has elapsed.

• 1:48:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe that was a flashback? I'm not totally sure.

• 1:48:26Sean Fennessey?

  I think that was a...

• 1:48:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Or she just gave, it was a water birth?

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  This is bad.

• 1:48:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Seems intense, but...

• 1:48:33Speaker 01

  This looks like a Halo cutscene.

• 1:48:36Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:48:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I've never seen Halo.

• 1:48:38Sean Fennessey?

  This part is all real. This was all shot in the real world.

• 1:48:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:48:41Sean Fennessey?

  And these are all real Navi.

• 1:48:44Sean Fennessey?

  Does that make it better for you?

• 1:48:50Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think if we could militarize Navi, we should?

• 1:48:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so they're looking for Jake Sully and then other guys.

• 1:49:03Speaker 01

  Island group with different people hanging out.

• 1:49:06Sean Fennessey?

  Correct. This is a different tribe.

• 1:49:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, got it.

• 1:49:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And they're gonna keep moving. But then, so the Tuukun have come back from where?

• 1:49:16Sean Fennessey?

  The Great Sea.

• 1:49:16Amanda Dobbins?

  And they raised Kate Winslet?

• 1:49:19Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know if they raised her.

• 1:49:20Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I mean, spiritual guidance.

• 1:49:22Sean Fennessey?

  They're connected.

• 1:49:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, all right.

• 1:49:24Sean Fennessey?

  I think her parents probably raised her.

• 1:49:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:49:27Sean Fennessey?

  But maybe like a latchkey kid situation?

• 1:49:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe it takes a village, you know, maybe.

• 1:49:31Sean Fennessey?

  Could be. Who wrote that? Hillary Clinton.

• 1:49:36Speaker 01

  One of your faves.

• 1:49:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  Oh, fuck, they shot a whale?

• 1:49:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they're bad.

• 1:49:41Sean Fennessey?

  Damn. These are, these guys are evil.

• 1:49:45Sean Fennessey?

  Like the fruit of the Deville, as Mike Myers once said.

• 1:49:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:49:56Speaker 01

  Damn Spider, you fucking narc.

• 1:49:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:59Sean Fennessey?

  He doesn't really know what he's doing. Torok Mokto. What is my Navi?

• 1:50:04Speaker 01

  Put her down. Nah, man, we're not gonna have that happen here, right?

• 1:50:09Amanda Dobbins?

  No. Okay, finally Spider's sticking up for...

• 1:50:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but they don't have him.

• 1:50:21Amanda Dobbins?

  So this kid's 15 when he's filming this?

• 1:50:24Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, maybe 17.

• 1:50:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:50:26Sean Fennessey?

  He was cast when he was 15.

• 1:50:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Pretty good.

• 1:50:30Sean Fennessey?

  No, he, he, his audition was in 2017, so he was 13 when he auditioned.

• 1:50:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, okay.

• 1:50:41Speaker 01

  Project Phoenix, is that what it says on his little vest? So the Vietnam era? Yeah.

• 1:50:48Sean Fennessey?

  These are the obsessions of James Cameron. Look at all the entry points, Chris.

• 1:50:52Speaker 01

  Do you think it would have been better, though, if he had just made a movie about The Phoenix Project in, in Vietnam? A period piece?

• 1:50:58Sean Fennessey?

  I don't. I made this movie.

• 1:51:02Sean Fennessey?

  Respect the artist.

• 1:51:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, now they're burning things up?

• 1:51:05Sean Fennessey?

  They should have done.

• 1:51:06Speaker 01

  Okay, but this is the big picture. Sometimes we, we weigh in on what artists should have done. Right?

• 1:51:11Sean Fennessey?

  I don't really, I don't-

• 1:51:12Amanda Dobbins?

  We try not to do that.

• 1:51:12Sean Fennessey?

  I don't like to do that.

• 1:51:13Amanda Dobbins?

  That's boring.

• 1:51:14Sean Fennessey?

  I have done that, and I'm not gonna pretend like I haven't done that, but I, I would prefer not to do that. I don't really, cuz I don't want somebody telling me what I should be doing.

• 1:51:21Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:51:22Sean Fennessey?

  You know?

• 1:51:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. But sometimes we can't help ourselves.

• 1:51:26Sean Fennessey?

  I get frustrated, certainly, when I feel that people are doing things just for money. But when you look at the amount of work that goes into these movies, you can't say that these are being done for money. These movies are insane.

• 1:51:37Amanda Dobbins?

  They're getting some bad news.

• 1:51:39Speaker 01

  Except when he tells Zachary in a story about how it's gonna make all the fucking money and get the fuck out of my office.

• 1:51:45Sean Fennessey?

  But I don't think he's like, I can't wait to spend all that money. I think he's like, I can't wait to be the most successful person. Now, that is also a kind of sickness, but it's different and to me, less egregious. Ambition can, can often create-

• 1:51:57Speaker 01

  Human Boy Speaks Navi, so they now know that Spider is on this other, is on the other island working with these guys.

• 1:52:07Speaker 01

  Are you reading the latest Ryan Lizza newsletter?

• 1:52:10Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I'm not paying for that bullshit. I actually, I don't endorse, I, they can all go fuck off, is what I have to say, all three of them.

• 1:52:18Speaker 01

  Who's the third?

• 1:52:19Amanda Dobbins?

  RFK Jr., Mr. Maha himself.

• 1:52:23Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, you've made your feelings on this known. I think it's a bit of a strange stance. It is one of the more interesting things that's happened in recent American political media history.

• 1:52:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so, but like, is it that interesting? It's like, two star fuckers are each writing their own story of, you know, their interactions with another star fucker who is now denying vaccines to children. Like, I'm good. Like, you know, now they're trying to make money off of it because they can't make it any other way? Like, no thanks. I'd like, they, like, good riddance to all of them.

• 1:52:52Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I understand, but like, your moral superiority over that and not other things is just inconsistent. So, it seems like a weird stance.

• 1:52:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm gonna be inconsistent on this one. Like, I truly, they can all, you know, good riddance to all of them. Yeah. They all are, like, taking up space that should be filled with other things. This is the other thing. Like, I don't really believe in political journalism in this way. Like, I just, like, don't care about them.

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  Oh, they're like, kind of insider-y.

• 1:53:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they're all, because what they want is to be famous themselves, as opposed to, like, actually reporting on things that matter to the, to the world. So, I like, I think of, I thought less of them before all of this, but then, Ryan Lizza and Olivia Nasib.

• 1:53:31Sean Fennessey?

  Why don't you lay out your vision for political journalism in America? What do you think is the best way to do the work? I'd like to hear it. Because I would argue that the people that they're covering are just as vain, glorious, and corrupt as the people who are doing their reporting.

• 1:53:43Speaker 01

  Pya can.

• 1:53:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's true. But it's like...

• 1:53:47Sean Fennessey?

  I guess that's why it's worthwhile to me, is like, it reveals something true about the system, the story.

• 1:53:54Speaker 01

  I'm just, I'm just, now, Lizza's got me hooked. I just need to know.

• 1:53:58Sean Fennessey?

  Are you paying for it?

• 1:53:59Speaker 01

  No, there's ways around that. Yeah.

• 1:54:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But did he reveal the conspiracy?

• 1:54:04Speaker 01

  Number four went out yesterday, but I have not read the full thing. I only read the first half.

• 1:54:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I think if he were like, you know, there was a plot to assassinate Trump, and, like, Olivia signed the legal documents.

• 1:54:15Sean Fennessey?

  We might have heard by now.

• 1:54:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm like, I'm just guessing.

• 1:54:18Sean Fennessey?

  Sure. Yeah, I think that's fair.

• 1:54:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Also, bad writers.

• 1:54:22Sean Fennessey?

  Just very purple.

• 1:54:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, really bad, so.

• 1:54:26Sean Fennessey?

  That hasn't really stopped anybody else in the past.

• 1:54:28Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true, but another reason I don't wanna spend time reading it.

• 1:54:31Speaker 01

  So there's bad news is traveling across the islands, but now these kids are exploring caves.

• 1:54:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Oh, but it's not a cave.

• 1:54:40Speaker 01

  Turns out to be.

• 1:54:44Sean Fennessey?

  Be calm.

• 1:54:45Amanda Dobbins?

  So that's the older brother.

• 1:54:49Speaker 01

  This is a little bit of a Joan and the whale situation.

• 1:54:54Sean Fennessey?

  Manner speaking. Reminds me a little bit of, um.

• 1:54:58Speaker 01

  Jonah?

• 1:54:58Sean Fennessey?

  The mirror sequence in Us.

• 1:55:01Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:55:03Sean Fennessey?

  Remember that scene?

• 1:55:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:04Sean Fennessey?

  Any of Us?

• 1:55:05Amanda Dobbins?

  That's good. I liked Us.

• 1:55:06Sean Fennessey?

  Me too. Us a little bit kinda lost in the. In the 25th.

• 1:55:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Was it 2019?

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  The fuck's going on?

• 1:55:14Sean Fennessey?

  It was.

• 1:55:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so that was like a big.

• 1:55:16Sean Fennessey?

  One of our first deep dive.

• 1:55:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but that was like a big movie year and then pandemic, so kind of lost time.

• 1:55:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, it's a little messy.

• 1:55:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:26Sean Fennessey?

  Narratively.

• 1:55:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, oh no. So now he's, oh memories.

• 1:55:32Speaker 01

  We've seen, we saw Us together at South by Southwest.

• 1:55:35Sean Fennessey?

  Didn't we?

• 1:55:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:36Sean Fennessey?

  That's great.

• 1:55:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's nice. I saw it at the ArcLight. How's that going? They bringing the ArcLight back?

• 1:55:42Sean Fennessey?

  Permits are.

• 1:55:43Speaker 01

  They keep saying they have the permits.

• 1:55:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's what I said. So this is a flashback. He is like sharing memories with Pycon?

• 1:55:51Sean Fennessey?

  Pycon is sharing memories with him.

• 1:55:52Speaker 01

  Oh, the last time the humans came through or these flash forwards.

• 1:55:56Sean Fennessey?

  What the Tulkun's have witnessed.

• 1:55:59Sean Fennessey?

  I believe it's them, him showing them their.

• 1:56:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Memories, yeah. And that's how the, his wound happened, remember, that then.

• 1:56:06Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 1:56:09Sean Fennessey?

  So they've been under siege for a long time. We haven't yet seen why the whales are so under siege.

• 1:56:15Speaker 01

  They probably have like oil, right?

• 1:56:17Sean Fennessey?

  Find out.

• 1:56:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so.

• 1:56:24Amanda Dobbins?

  All right. Here's my first question for you. Not my first.

• 1:56:27Speaker 01

  About the water?

• 1:56:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, no. Do you want some water facts?

• 1:56:30Speaker 01

  No, give me what you're gonna say.

• 1:56:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, just so just like, what's up with Geese?

• 1:56:33Speaker 01

  The band?

• 1:56:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, like, what's happening there?

• 1:56:36Speaker 01

  Well, they're on a rocket ship to the moon, Amanda.

• 1:56:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I know, but like.

• 1:56:38Speaker 01

  They are, and they aren't.

• 1:56:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, but like, I didn't click through. So, you know, I know they did like some covers or something.

• 1:56:45Speaker 01

  Came along a couple of years ago and to, you know, I wouldn't say an enormous amount of fanfare and they put out a first record. These are like private school kids from New York, you know.

• 1:56:54Amanda Dobbins?

  What, private school?

• 1:56:56Speaker 01

  Uh, I can't remember. I think, I think Brooklyn friends.

• 1:56:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Here we go. Oh, Quaker kids.

• 1:57:01Speaker 01

  I think.

• 1:57:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, Quaker educated.

• 1:57:02Speaker 01

  And they put out one record that I happen to like, but is very much like, uh, post punk, Interpol-y kind of, um.

• 1:57:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Private school.

• 1:57:10Speaker 01

  Disco.

• 1:57:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:57:11Speaker 01

  Then they put out a record called, I believe, uh, 3D. Second album. It's much more classic rock, vibey.

• 1:57:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:57:20Speaker 01

  Um, and then late last year, the lead singer and songwriter for Geese put out a record, Cameron Winter put out a record called Heavy Metal.

• 1:57:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I've heard of Cameron Winter separately, but I also didn't.

• 1:57:29Speaker 01

  Became a cult, cult hit. He became quite an object of interest.

• 1:57:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow. Okay, so that's, they went to Park Slope Rock School?

• 1:57:36Speaker 01

  I just don't know if she really cares about the answer to this question.

• 1:57:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, okay. So they put out two albums, plus Cameron Winter has a solo album.

• 1:57:42Speaker 01

  And then Cameron Winter's solo album, I think, starts to garner more attention around the band.

• 1:57:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:57:48Speaker 01

  And they put out a third album called Getting Killed.

• 1:57:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:57:51Speaker 01

  And have now been adopted, I feel like, by a larger swath of the, of, of the hipster influencer universe.

• 1:58:00Amanda Dobbins?

  That seems right.

• 1:58:01Speaker 01

  And are, are, are a very good band. I, I, I love them. I'm a fan.

• 1:58:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so I can confirm that they, or at least some of them were educated at like the School of Rock, like the, like the film.

• 1:58:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:58:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Which, um.

• 1:58:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well, here's a telling line as the teen sat in the sunroom of the funky Fork Green Brownstone owned by Bassin's parents. Okay, so I mean, that must be nice to own a Brooklyn Fork Green Brownstone.

• 1:58:26Speaker 01

  3D country, my bad, not 3D.

• 1:58:29Amanda Dobbins?

  But I still can't find what private school. Okay.

• 1:58:36Speaker 01

  If I were you, I would just check, check out the most recent record and I would probably skip the first song because you're gonna be like, this is too newly, but then you'll be like, damn.

• 1:58:45Amanda Dobbins?

  But is there, are they controversial now?

• 1:58:47Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:58:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, people are just like.

• 1:58:48Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda will not like this band.

• 1:58:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, you know.

• 1:58:50Speaker 01

  She likes The Strokes.

• 1:58:53Sean Fennessey?

  It's not that cool.

• 1:58:56Sean Fennessey?

  It's not that clean and slick and pop oriented.

• 1:58:59Speaker 01

  No, it's much more like.

• 1:59:01Sean Fennessey?

  It's a little, it's a little experimental, a little vibesy.

• 1:59:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:59:05Sean Fennessey?

  A little bit atonal.

• 1:59:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I don't, I don't always love atonal.

• 1:59:11Sean Fennessey?

  They're the kind of band that you could see them making an album in the next 10 years that is like the album of a generation.

• 1:59:17Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:59:17Sean Fennessey?

  But I don't, I think they're still working some stuff out. I think they're really cool. I was surprised that they're not as popular, at least on the streaming services as I expected.

• 1:59:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:59:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:59:26Sean Fennessey?

  Based on the way that people my age and younger talk about them, you would have thought that they were The Strokes, but maybe that's actually a notable thing about The Strokes is maybe they weren't as popular as we thought they were.

• 1:59:37Speaker 01

  They're pretty fucking popular.

• 1:59:38Amanda Dobbins?

  But they were to us, yeah.

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  The Geese doesn't have like Last Night.

• 1:59:40Sean Fennessey?

  They don't, yeah, they don't have a hit like that.

• 1:59:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:59:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm scrolling through my second.

• 1:59:44Speaker 01

  Taxes is, I think, a big song, but.

• 1:59:46Sean Fennessey?

  You don't really see too many sea birds in these songs.

• 1:59:49Speaker 01

  Oh, no, not a missile to the back.

• 1:59:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's a tracking device.

• 1:59:54Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:59:58Sean Fennessey?

  Mother and calf.

• 2:00:00Speaker 01

  So we have not disclosed why we're hunting these guys. Spider is just like frying pan to the fire.

• 2:00:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and that, that ship, ship driver appears to be a member of the San Francisco Giants. What was that outfit he was wearing?

• 2:00:18Sean Fennessey?

  Navy hat.

• 2:00:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, thank you for that explanation.

• 2:00:21Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 2:00:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Logo. I don't know if I'll check it out, but now I at least feel informed.

• 2:00:25Sean Fennessey?

  I like these little, these crab guys.

• 2:00:27Speaker 01

  You should go for a nice, long jog with the geese discography and report back.

• 2:00:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:00:32Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely. Leave a long voice memo to Chris that he can automatically delete.

• 2:00:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you not listen to voice memos ever?

• 2:00:38Speaker 01

  I listen to them.

• 2:00:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you listen to voice memos or do you delete them?

• 2:00:41Speaker 01

  I'll just read the transcription of them.

• 2:00:42Sean Fennessey?

  Depends on who sends it.

• 2:00:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:44Speaker 01

  Mal will send like five minute voice memos to me.

• 2:00:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:00:46Sean Fennessey?

  She's never sent me one in her life.

• 2:00:48Amanda Dobbins?

  That's really long.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  You just gotta ask her questions.

• 2:00:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I listen to them, but I, I seldom know how to send them. So like I figure it out, but then sometimes I send it to the wrong person, you know?

• 2:00:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a disaster.

• 2:01:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I.

• 2:01:01Sean Fennessey?

  When people ask me how I'm doing, I just send them an episode of The Big Picture.

• 2:01:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:01:04Sean Fennessey?

  Say, check this out and you'll figure it all out.

• 2:01:06Speaker 01

  Is that how you want to be known? Is that how you want your emotional life to be understood?

• 2:01:09Sean Fennessey?

  It's all real. It's all authentic.

• 2:01:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so these guys are all back.

• 2:01:12Sean Fennessey?

  All of it.

• 2:01:13Amanda Dobbins?

  And they have their, um.

• 2:01:17Sean Fennessey?

  They're on, they're on the hunt.

• 2:01:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:18Sean Fennessey?

  This is a, this is a full blown hunt.

• 2:01:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:01:21Sean Fennessey?

  This stuff is all very real world, Chris.

• 2:01:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. Looks it, looks really, uh.

• 2:01:27Sean Fennessey?

  These are real whales.

• 2:01:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Oh no, there's a sensor on that whale.

• 2:01:31Sean Fennessey?

  You missed that they got, he got shot.

• 2:01:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's a tough break.

• 2:01:35Sean Fennessey?

  It's not what you want when you're being hunted.

• 2:01:37Speaker 01

  And why is, uh, Stephen Lang on this trip if he's just looking for Sully?

• 2:01:42Sean Fennessey?

  He's looking for Sully.

• 2:01:43Amanda Dobbins?

  But he's commandeered the boat.

• 2:01:46Speaker 01

  Ah, fuck.

• 2:01:46Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like a, oh, oh, it's awful. Stop doing that to whales.

• 2:01:50Sean Fennessey?

  That's a sonic paralyzer. Cause they're such sensitivity to the sound underwater.

• 2:01:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:55Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 2:01:58Sean Fennessey?

  Forces them to the surface.

• 2:01:59Speaker 01

  They hit Millie Bobby with one of those in the season five of Stranger Things.

• 2:02:03Sean Fennessey?

  Eleven?

• 2:02:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, like a sonic paralyzer thing.

• 2:02:05Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, Stranger Things gone.

• 2:02:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so what's up there?

• 2:02:07Speaker 01

  It was fine. It was cool. I got to watch it with like, uh, my friends' daughters over Thanksgiving.

• 2:02:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that is fun.

• 2:02:12Speaker 01

  They were like fired up about it. So it was a fun experience.

• 2:02:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Like what's, what's going on with everyone in, uh, what's the town where they live?

• 2:02:18Speaker 01

  Hawkins, Indiana.

• 2:02:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 2:02:20Speaker 01

  And there's a parallel dimension called the upside down right underneath of it.

• 2:02:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  And they're, that's stalked by a demon named Vecna.

• 2:02:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. And they can't seal it up?

• 2:02:31Speaker 01

  No, they've military tried.

• 2:02:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure.

• 2:02:33Sean Fennessey?

  Did they have any tool coons there?

• 2:02:35Speaker 01

  No, they have demi gorgons, though.

• 2:02:37Sean Fennessey?

  I've seen those.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  Or demi gorgons.

• 2:02:39Sean Fennessey?

  I gave up on that show after the second season.

• 2:02:41Speaker 01

  Many did.

• 2:02:41Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's pretty incoherent. I find it surprising its level of success.

• 2:02:46Speaker 01

  Did you watch into the third season?

• 2:02:48Sean Fennessey?

  I did.

• 2:02:48Speaker 01

  To the mall one?

• 2:02:50Sean Fennessey?

  That was the introduction to My Hawk?

• 2:02:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:02:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I did.

• 2:02:55Sean Fennessey?

  Love My Hawk.

• 2:02:56Speaker 01

  She's got a big role in this one.

• 2:02:57Sean Fennessey?

  I've heard you guys talking about it. I don't, you know.

• 2:02:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Timothy Chalamet just posted pictures of him with a new puppy. Do you think it's his puppy?

• 2:03:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's running.

• 2:03:07Amanda Dobbins?

  He's, no, he's really running. And then what else is in this carousel?

• 2:03:11Speaker 01

  You've seen Marty?

• 2:03:12Amanda Dobbins?

  We've got Josh. Josh has the black Marty.

• 2:03:14Speaker 01

  But it's not out yet, is it?

• 2:03:15Sean Fennessey?

  No, but a lot of people have seen it. Nobody called you and tapped you on the shoulder and said?

• 2:03:18Speaker 01

  I had plenty of invitations, but I was traveling internationally and...

• 2:03:22Sean Fennessey?

  Fancy.

• 2:03:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Ooh la la.

• 2:03:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:24Sean Fennessey?

  So spoiler alert, that won't be on your list this week.

• 2:03:26Speaker 01

  I'm fully ready to be like completely transparent about the films that will be on my list.

• 2:03:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:03:32Speaker 01

  They largely are from the John Wick universe.

• 2:03:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:03:40Speaker 01

  I haven't seen Sentimental Value and I haven't seen Marty. Otherwise, I'm, I'm pretty much caught up.

• 2:03:47Sean Fennessey?

  Are you?

• 2:03:48Speaker 01

  Oh, I haven't seen, uh, Decision to Leave.

• 2:03:52Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 2:03:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:03:53Sean Fennessey?

  No, no other choice.

• 2:03:54Speaker 01

  No other choice.

• 2:03:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, right. Yeah. This puppy is very small and cute.

• 2:03:58Sean Fennessey?

  Tracy Lett told me no other choices is number one right now based on what he's seen so far.

• 2:04:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:04:01Speaker 01

  Does Tracy see everything contemporary?

• 2:04:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Has he seen one battle after another yet?

• 2:04:05Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so.

• 2:04:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Tracy, should I text him right now and ask?

• 2:04:08Sean Fennessey?

  You can ask him.

• 2:04:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Tracy, have you seen, yeah?

• 2:04:11Sean Fennessey?

  No other choice rocks.

• 2:04:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, it is, yeah, it's really good. Tracy, have you seen?

• 2:04:19Speaker 01

  Do you think it's weird to put two Scott Derrickson films in my top five?

• 2:04:27Sean Fennessey?

  Were you planning to put Doctor Strange from 2018?

• 2:04:30Speaker 01

  No, Black Phone 2 and Gorge.

• 2:04:32Sean Fennessey?

  I know. Black Phone 2. You do?

• 2:04:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 2:04:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Bro care drop. Knox, Knox is free. Knox is hitting the streets. He's run signed out.

• 2:04:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you know about this?

• 2:04:46Speaker 01

  It's like they let you know that.

• 2:04:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, yeah, you have to sign your kid in and out of school every day with this app. And then you get a notification. It's basically like, is the kid under our care? Is the kid under your care?

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:04:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Kid's back under my care. I got that. It's the only app that can give me notifications.

• 2:05:00Sean Fennessey?

  I don't need that though, because I have a psychic link like Pya Khan with Alice. So anytime I know she needs something.

• 2:05:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I got a text from Ben Stiller asking me for money. Delete and report.

• 2:05:11Speaker 01

  Ben Stiller, for what?

• 2:05:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I did not.

• 2:05:13Sean Fennessey?

  It's like you're trying to get Severance in season three going.

• 2:05:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I report them all as junk. I mean, it wasn't from him.

• 2:05:18Speaker 01

  So now the whales are dragging the boats, but they're struggling.

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  We got load management issues with the whales.

• 2:05:26Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah, you know, trying to catch them with the barrels.

• 2:05:29Speaker 01

  You can always tell when you get a South African big game hunter who talks a lot of shit, that he's going to suffer a really gruesome death at the hands of his very, at his prey.

• 2:05:39Amanda Dobbins?

  What are these?

• 2:05:40Sean Fennessey?

  You may have seen a movie or two in your time.

• 2:05:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:42Amanda Dobbins?

  What are these buoys attached to them?

• 2:05:45Speaker 01

  I tried to slow them down.

• 2:05:46Amanda Dobbins?

  It's awful.

• 2:05:47Speaker 01

  Spider, you fucking piece of shit, man. Hope you're happy.

• 2:05:50Sean Fennessey?

  He couldn't do anything. Look at the calf. That's brutal. Look at these things.

• 2:05:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Awful.

• 2:05:56Amanda Dobbins?

  That's so, what are those? Are like calves?

• 2:05:58Sean Fennessey?

  Fucking Jim cooking. What is this thing that he designed?

• 2:06:01Speaker 01

  Does Jim's community, his peers, do they like these movies?

• 2:06:05Sean Fennessey?

  Jim's?

• 2:06:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Who are Jim's peers?

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  No, like at the DGA, who's hosting Jim and is just like, I'm with God right now. This is amazing.

• 2:06:12Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I think he has the admiration of everyone in the industry. I do think that he is famously like, kind of a, like a poke you with a stick.

• 2:06:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:22Sean Fennessey?

  You know, he'll be like, Spielberg can't do this.

• 2:06:25Speaker 01

  So like GDT, Del Toro is his homie, right?

• 2:06:27Sean Fennessey?

  He told Matt Bellamy Guillermo del Toro is his best friend, who's a filmmaker, as well as Catherine Bigelow.

• 2:06:31Speaker 01

  You don't see like Catherine.

• 2:06:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 2:06:33Speaker 01

  Bigelow and him used to be together.

• 2:06:35Sean Fennessey?

  They used to be together, but they're still. You know, they show each other their work. They're still very much, they have a creative connection.

• 2:06:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:42Sean Fennessey?

  Which is nice. That's nice to think of.

• 2:06:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I watched a short form video of Seth Rogen and Aziz Ansari, this is gross, talking about like going to dinner or something. Being like shown to the patio and the only two other people there were James Cameron and Catherine Bigelow.

• 2:06:56Sean Fennessey?

  That's wonderful.

• 2:06:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Having dinner and they were, and they were like, what do we do? Do we talk to them? Blah, blah, blah. And then Jim and Catherine came over and were very nice, which is cool.

• 2:07:04Sean Fennessey?

  Makes sense.

• 2:07:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, Tracy has responded. He has not yet seen one.

• 2:07:07Speaker 01

  So this is them extracting, is the unobtanium inside of these fucking things?

• 2:07:13Sean Fennessey?

  It's whale brain juice, which is an even more rare commodity.

• 2:07:16Speaker 01

  No way, really?

• 2:07:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's worth billions of dollars, which is why all of this tremendous technology and machinery is going into the research.

• 2:07:24Speaker 01

  Look at the twinkle in Spiker's, Spider's colonist eyes, man. He's like.

• 2:07:30Sean Fennessey?

  This is also giving major Jurassic Park vibes. There's a lot of Jurassic Park in this film. That smaller creature getting eaten by the bigger creature.

• 2:07:37Speaker 01

  Amurita, right?

• 2:07:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:39Sean Fennessey?

  Lot of the jaws stuff. Spielberg is a big part of these movies, I think.

• 2:07:47Speaker 01

  Is that good?

• 2:07:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I think they, wow.

• 2:07:51Sean Fennessey?

  A dramatic scientific breakthrough.

• 2:07:52Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go.

• 2:07:53Sean Fennessey?

  Anti-aging.

• 2:07:54Amanda Dobbins?

  So this is even better than unobtanium?

• 2:07:59Sean Fennessey?

  Eighty million dollars for that.

• 2:08:00Speaker 01

  It's not that much money.

• 2:08:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Especially in twenty, especially in twenty one fifty, whatever.

• 2:08:04Speaker 01

  That's like a decent second baseman for, for eight years, right?

• 2:08:09Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go.

• 2:08:11Sean Fennessey?

  Hey guys.

• 2:08:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just saying. Inflation is real. It trumps America.

• 2:08:15Speaker 01

  In this future America that they're basing this on, like, I don't know what, what's happened to the dollar, you know?

• 2:08:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good question.

• 2:08:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, who's been shorting Bitcoin? You know, that's really the question.

• 2:08:25Speaker 01

  Right. What's Michael Berry doing in this, in this reality?

• 2:08:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:08:33Sean Fennessey?

  Chris, you have to either join the military or go into corporate America. What do you do?

• 2:08:38Speaker 01

  What, what time period?

• 2:08:40Sean Fennessey?

  1870s.

• 2:08:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so this-

• 2:08:45Speaker 01

  Corporate America.

• 2:08:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:47Sean Fennessey?

  You would go be a robber baron.

• 2:08:48Speaker 01

  I mean, with hindsight, I would not want to be part of what was happening in the 1870s with the American military.

• 2:08:54Sean Fennessey?

  You're thinking more of, I mean, you're from Pennsylvania, more of a Carnegie guy.

• 2:08:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, railroads.

• 2:08:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, steel.

• 2:09:00Speaker 01

  Also not problematic, though.

• 2:09:01Amanda Dobbins?

  You caught up on the Gilded Age?

• 2:09:03Sean Fennessey?

  Caught up?

• 2:09:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:04Sean Fennessey?

  I've seen 10 minutes of the first episode.

• 2:09:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, wow, I've seen all three seasons now. Just absolute masterpiece.

• 2:09:10Sean Fennessey?

  I have tremendous amount of respect for Carrie Coon.

• 2:09:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:13Sean Fennessey?

  And haven't seen the show.

• 2:09:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:09:15Sean Fennessey?

  Christine Baranski, she's on it.

• 2:09:17Amanda Dobbins?

  She is as well.

• 2:09:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:19Sean Fennessey?

  Of the, of the namesake farewell on your pod. Cynthia Nixon, yeah, she's fine.

• 2:09:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Morgan Specter.

• 2:09:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Morgan Specter.

• 2:09:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Roger McDonald.

• 2:09:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:30Speaker 01

  Have you watched Pluribus?

• 2:09:32Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I'm still on episode four of The Diplomat, you know?

• 2:09:35Speaker 01

  I didn't know if you were like moving around.

• 2:09:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't finish it. I didn't finish episode four because of incidents, you know? So.

• 2:09:42Sean Fennessey?

  I can't believe they fucking killed these twirl twins. Yeah, it is.

• 2:09:46Amanda Dobbins?

  And she has a bond with them, so she's really upset.

• 2:09:49Sean Fennessey?

  This is actually slower paced than the third film.

• 2:09:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess that is true. Yes, but I don't know.

• 2:09:57Sean Fennessey?

  There are much more, many more set pieces in three.

• 2:10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true.

• 2:10:02Sean Fennessey?

  That's interesting.

• 2:10:03Speaker 01

  Can I ask, does Sully know who's after him?

• 2:10:06Sean Fennessey?

  He, he does. He doesn't totally understand it, but he does.

• 2:10:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you guys ready for some ocean facts?

• 2:10:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:10:19Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 2:10:20Sean Fennessey?

  Great time.

• 2:10:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so just to go back to microbes, just one liter of water from the ocean can hold up to thirty eight thousand kinds of microbes. That's just about how varied life is in the ocean, you know?

• 2:10:32Speaker 01

  Not necessarily, because like when you jump in, you don't want to be thinking about microbes.

• 2:10:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but not all microbes are like bad. It's just, that's just the ocean, the ocean is a source of life for us in many ways.

• 2:10:41Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:10:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, you ready for another one? By the way, I like, I verified all of these, or at least verified that they were from a real source and not from AI. Like, I didn't just copy.

• 2:10:50Speaker 01

  That's what you were doing outside?

• 2:10:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I would, well, not like, I mean, I was, I can't fact check everything. I'm not a marine biologist, but I did not ask ChatGPT for any of these, because I have never.

• 2:10:58Speaker 01

  Have you ever asked ChatGPT anything?

• 2:10:59Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I've never used it. Because, I mean, have you, you have.

• 2:11:03Speaker 01

  I haven't.

• 2:11:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Have you?

• 2:11:04Sean Fennessey?

  I asked it for your favorite water facts.

• 2:11:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:11:08Sean Fennessey?

  And I got some interesting responses.

• 2:11:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, here's another one. Parrot fish poop makes up to an estimated seventy percent of the sand on Hawaiian and Caribbean beaches, created by the fish eating coral and excreting it.

• 2:11:20Speaker 01

  Parrot, say that again.

• 2:11:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Parrot fish poop makes up seventy percent of the sand on Hawaiian and Caribbean beaches.

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:11:28Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 2:11:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, some shark species can lose and regrow up to thirty thousand teeth in their lifetimes.

• 2:11:35Speaker 01

  Knew that.

• 2:11:36Amanda Dobbins?

  You did?

• 2:11:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:37Amanda Dobbins?

  What, from, from whom?

• 2:11:39Speaker 01

  Uh, I think in my shark phase, I, I retained that from

• 2:11:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:11:42Speaker 01

  when I was a child, that was always.

• 2:11:43Sean Fennessey?

  Were you a shark boy?

• 2:11:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:45Sean Fennessey?

  You were a shark boy.

• 2:11:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:11:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, giant sperm whales float vertically in the ocean while sleeping?

• 2:11:50Speaker 01

  Like Sean?

• 2:11:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:52Sean Fennessey?

  I sleep on my stomach.

• 2:11:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:11:55Sean Fennessey?

  Every night. Can't sleep in any other position.

• 2:11:59Speaker 01

  Arms splayed out?

• 2:12:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and, and suspended in.

• 2:12:03Speaker 01

  Not like an upside down Dracula, where you're sleeping on top of your arms?

• 2:12:07Sean Fennessey?

  No, I sleep with my, I, I sleep with my arms at my sides, on my stomach.

• 2:12:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you serious?

• 2:12:13Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:14Amanda Dobbins?

  That is, that's actually psychotic.

• 2:12:16Sean Fennessey?

  It's the only way I can get comfortable.

• 2:12:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Like this?

• 2:12:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Are the arms, are your palms down or palms up?

• 2:12:23Sean Fennessey?

  They're full of cheezits.

• 2:12:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:27Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but now I'm trying to imagine positioning myself. Okay, so.

• 2:12:30Speaker 01

  Do you sleep by your side?

• 2:12:32Sean Fennessey?

  They're flat down, so palms up.

• 2:12:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Palms up.

• 2:12:36Sean Fennessey?

  Or sometimes at my side, maybe sometimes at my, I don't know if I'm quite so stiff when I'm sleeping.

• 2:12:39Speaker 01

  Like a torpedo?

• 2:12:40Sean Fennessey?

  A little bit, yeah. A little bit like a torpedo.

• 2:12:43Amanda Dobbins?

  That's so weird. So it's just like this, like you're like a little T-Rex asleep?

• 2:12:47Sean Fennessey?

  I have a long, tall body, so no, it's not like this. My arms are not like this.

• 2:12:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I would say that I used to be a stomach sleeper, but between pregnancy and neck problems, I've had to move to my side.

• 2:12:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:58Sean Fennessey?

  What about you?

• 2:12:58Speaker 01

  Side.

• 2:13:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:01Sean Fennessey?

  And you sleep standing up?

• 2:13:03Speaker 01

  And now they're a little rebellion going.

• 2:13:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:13:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, he's gotta go save Pycon or something, or they've been banned, but they gotta join up?

• 2:13:13Speaker 01

  Get off me.

• 2:13:15Amanda Dobbins?

  So Lowax striking out alone?

• 2:13:18Sean Fennessey?

  Intergenerational drama.

• 2:13:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 2:13:20Sean Fennessey?

  Intra-tribe drama.

• 2:13:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:22Sean Fennessey?

  Intra- interspecies drama.

• 2:13:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:13:29Sean Fennessey?

  The natural world colliding with technology.

• 2:13:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 2:13:33Speaker 01

  Who did the music for this? John Tesh?

• 2:13:36Sean Fennessey?

  Is it Thomas Newton Howard? Or Thomas Newton, I should say.

• 2:13:40Speaker 01

  No, Thomas Newman, Thomas Newman's doing the music for Star Wars Starfighter.

• 2:13:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I have an ocean fact that's also a pitch for the next James Cameron movie.

• 2:13:50Speaker 01

  Shaun Levy was like, they made me redo the ending of my movie.

• 2:13:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Of which movie?

• 2:13:54Speaker 01

  Of Starfighter, of the Star Wars movie.

• 2:13:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, why? Because someone's dead?

• 2:13:58Sean Fennessey?

  He said that? He said the opposite, I thought. They let him do whatever he wanted.

• 2:14:02Speaker 01

  No, that was what he first said. And then he was just like, I think what he meant was like, I was encouraged to rethink the ending and thank God I was, because it's so much better.

• 2:14:11Sean Fennessey?

  Simon Franklin is the composer who did the music for this film. He did the music for, Avatar did the music for, he arranged for Thomas Newman on Skyfall.

• 2:14:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:14:20Sean Fennessey?

  He works with Thomas Newman and James Horner.

• 2:14:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Is getting rid of the censor? So that they can't find, oh no.

• 2:14:28Speaker 01

  Shit, you say shit in Navi?

• 2:14:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:14:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:14:35Sean Fennessey?

  I, I can't, I, I still can't believe a Sean Levy Star Wars movie is hap- like, it's happening.

• 2:14:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, is in a good or a bad way?

• 2:14:44Sean Fennessey?

  In a terrible way.

• 2:14:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:14:45Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, have you watched Sean Levy's movies?

• 2:14:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, and I don't enjoy them, but like, I never, you know, I, I just wanted to... So it's a quality control issue for you?

• 2:14:54Speaker 01

  For me, honestly, as much as I like him, and I, I bet Project Hail Mary's gonna be dope, I just don't, I can't believe what they did to my boy.

• 2:15:02Sean Fennessey?

  Gossling.

• 2:15:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:04Amanda Dobbins?

  It's what they did, or maybe what he did?

• 2:15:06Speaker 01

  I know, but I just misplaced Beyond the Pines, Ryan.

• 2:15:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:08Speaker 01

  You know, Drive Brian.

• 2:15:10Sean Fennessey?

  It's, it's hard to tell him to only make incredibly violent, alienating movies about

• 2:15:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 2:15:16Sean Fennessey?

  sexually vicken people. men who cannot communicate, like, he can't do that forever. I'm not asking for that.

• 2:15:20Speaker 01

  Why not? Clint Eastwood did.

• 2:15:23Sean Fennessey?

  That's not true. He made The Bridges of Madison County.

• 2:15:24Speaker 01

  That's true. When he was like 70.

• 2:15:26Sean Fennessey?

  He made every which way but loose. Like, you, you can do other kinds of things.

• 2:15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he's not, it's Fall Guy, Barbie, Project Hail Mary, this Star Wars movie.

• 2:15:36Sean Fennessey?

  I think Project Hail Mary is a win, even if the movie doesn't work ultimately.

• 2:15:39Speaker 01

  It'll be cool.

• 2:15:39Sean Fennessey?

  I think doing stuff like that is great. It's a beloved book, science fiction but grounded, made with a great, a good film, good filmmakers. I think it's cool.

• 2:15:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited about it.

• 2:15:48Sean Fennessey?

  The, the Star Wars thing, I'm just like, I, I can't, I, we've been waiting nine years for a fucking Star Wars movie?

• 2:15:54Speaker 01

  Star Wars, Colin Starfighter.

• 2:15:56Sean Fennessey?

  The dumbest name imaginable.

• 2:15:59Sean Fennessey?

  Starfighter? It's already called Star Wars.

• 2:16:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Let him know. I mean, it's-

• 2:16:03Sean Fennessey?

  What the fuck are they fighting?

• 2:16:04Speaker 01

  Get it off your chest, gang.

• 2:16:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:06Sean Fennessey?

  But why is no one saying the same thing I'm saying, right?

• 2:16:08Speaker 01

  Everybody's saying it.

• 2:16:09Sean Fennessey?

  Not just you guys, like, is everyone, are we collectively agreed that this sucks?

• 2:16:12Speaker 01

  I just think that, like-

• 2:16:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so they're going out to fight for the toucan?

• 2:16:18Amanda Dobbins?

  That was Kate Winslet doing her, okay.

• 2:16:20Sean Fennessey?

  They're going to seek revenge.

• 2:16:20Speaker 01

  Oh, they're doing, they're, they're-

• 2:16:21Sean Fennessey?

  For whale hunting.

• 2:16:22Speaker 01

  They're taking a piece of this-

• 2:16:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:16:24Speaker 01

  Back with them, okay.

• 2:16:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:16:27Sean Fennessey?

  And the production design is amazing.

• 2:16:28Speaker 01

  Was Steven Lang like, this is what I wanted to have happen? We were gonna hunt whales, and then we're gonna draw them out?

• 2:16:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:16:34Sean Fennessey?

  Because he understands that these people have a connection to the tool.

• 2:16:36Speaker 01

  You gotta get this two to three.

• 2:16:38Sean Fennessey?

  No, I'm not ready to give up the Star Wars thing.

• 2:16:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:16:40Sean Fennessey?

  And I know I sound like a weird, like, uh,

• 2:16:42Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, it's.

• 2:16:43Sean Fennessey?

  Elder millennial baby, but I'm, it just sounds shitty.

• 2:16:45Speaker 01

  Can you, can you watch, will you watch season two of Andor for me?

• 2:16:49Amanda Dobbins?

  You didn't do it?

• 2:16:49Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 2:16:50Amanda Dobbins?

  You said you were gonna do it.

• 2:16:50Sean Fennessey?

  I have to do it over Christmas. I, I, I had to watch too many things to get ready for later this week's episode.

• 2:16:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 2:16:55Sean Fennessey?

  There are things that I was like, I don't know if I feel good about doing the best of the year if I haven't seen these five movies.

• 2:16:59Speaker 01

  Well, I've seen Andor season two and I have not seen Sentimental Value.

• 2:17:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:17:03Speaker 01

  That's where I am. I think that's okay.

• 2:17:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but Starfighter's not out yet. Like, when Starfighter comes out, if I haven't seen Andor two, I've failed.

• 2:17:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:17:12Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I,

• 2:17:14Sean Fennessey?

  help me, help me out.

• 2:17:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I agree with you.

• 2:17:17Speaker 01

  It's an abomination. It's an abomination. It's, it's terrible.

• 2:17:20Sean Fennessey?

  Why are we all pretending like this is okay?

• 2:17:22Speaker 01

  I think it's also.

• 2:17:23Amanda Dobbins?

  As Star Wars mommy, I am not.

• 2:17:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. They wouldn't, they wouldn't let Ben Solo hunt. They took away the Benny Off and Wise trilogy. They took away Rian Johnson sequels. They took away.

• 2:17:33Amanda Dobbins?

  They said no to Steven Soderbergh.

• 2:17:35Speaker 01

  Mangold's fucking monks, Samurai monks movie, you know?

• 2:17:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:17:40Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, a good question. Where's Taika Waititi's Star Wars movie?

• 2:17:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:43Sean Fennessey?

  You know, where's, uh, who else? What was Rogue Squadron? Patty Jenkins. Patty Jenkins's movie.

• 2:17:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17:51Sean Fennessey?

  And we, we, so we, we move through all of these filmmakers. You can have varying degrees of interest in any of their films. But we netted at the blandest mainstream movie maker in America to make a Star Wars movie?

• 2:18:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean,

• 2:18:06Sean Fennessey?

  disappointing.

• 2:18:07Amanda Dobbins?

  That's the way the world is moving. It is disappointing. It's really bad. Okay, so now.

• 2:18:11Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe it'll be great.

• 2:18:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't put the sensors in a reef. I mean, that's not good for the reef. And one of my ocean facts that I learned that I knew already, but the, the reefs are very important.

• 2:18:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:21Amanda Dobbins?

  For life on this planet and I assume on Pandora.

• 2:18:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, they're also, they're hiding.

• 2:18:29Speaker 01

  Oh, these are like hermit crabs.

• 2:18:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:32Sean Fennessey?

  I love these creature, these little.

• 2:18:33Amanda Dobbins?

  It's very cool.

• 2:18:34Sean Fennessey?

  Mecha crabs. This is Jim cooking, all of this stuff.

• 2:18:38Speaker 01

  This is.

• 2:18:39Amanda Dobbins?

  You want to go on a submersible ever?

• 2:18:41Sean Fennessey?

  I'm interested, it seems dangerous. I will say, the sequences in the Life Aquatics seem very fun.

• 2:18:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, but.

• 2:18:47Sean Fennessey?

  When they're down low.

• 2:18:48Amanda Dobbins?

  If Wes Anderson is designing the.

• 2:18:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I want a submarine made of paper mache.

• 2:18:51Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm definitely available. What about you?

• 2:18:54Speaker 01

  I don't want to go.

• 2:18:55Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't want to go in space? Yeah, no, I agree.

• 2:18:58Sean Fennessey?

  Are you worried about being trapped?

• 2:19:00Speaker 01

  Uh, I wouldn't mind being trapped in space, like in a space station.

• 2:19:03Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 2:19:04Speaker 01

  Where I could jog.

• 2:19:04Sean Fennessey?

  What if a xenomorph is on, onboard?

• 2:19:07Amanda Dobbins?

  So that's your concern, physical movement? You need to be able to jog?

• 2:19:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I also just think that like, space stations just seem kind of sick, you know, like, it's that your little zero gravity moments, you know?

• 2:19:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I have always wanted to do that. I recently found out that my good friend Molly got to go to space camp when she was younger and she did the zero gravity thing. I didn't know this about her. And I just, the jealousy is still coursing through me.

• 2:19:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:28Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 2:19:29Speaker 01

  Maybe that's the yogurt, actually.

• 2:19:30Sean Fennessey?

  You gotta get that out. You gotta go to space camp.

• 2:19:32Speaker 01

  You do have to go to space camp.

• 2:19:34Amanda Dobbins?

  We've done that, we've talked about this once before and I Googled it on a podcast and they do have adult space camp.

• 2:19:38Sean Fennessey?

  Of course they do.

• 2:19:39Speaker 01

  Is it at SpaceX? Like, do you have to go and?

• 2:19:41Sean Fennessey?

  Like in Jupiter, Florida, right?

• 2:19:44Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's not Jupiter. That's where all the rich people live. This is Cape Canaveral.

• 2:19:47Speaker 01

  Jupiter's where all the golf bros live.

• 2:19:49Sean Fennessey?

  That's right, that's where Tiger lives.

• 2:19:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and the rich, yes, rich people, as I said.

• 2:19:53Sean Fennessey?

  He's going to Tiger's house.

• 2:19:54Speaker 01

  Tiger's chipping and putting again?

• 2:19:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:56Sean Fennessey?

  Well, and among other things.

• 2:19:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, yeah.

• 2:19:59Speaker 01

  I didn't say golfing.

• 2:20:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:20:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Alright, so they're under attack and the crab.

• 2:20:06Sean Fennessey?

  What's up with little Tiger? Is he alright?

• 2:20:07Speaker 01

  Maybe he just did a press conference today. He was like, his back is fucked, but I'm chipping and putting.

• 2:20:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:20:12Sean Fennessey?

  God, I love him so much.

• 2:20:12Amanda Dobbins?

  To what end?

• 2:20:13Speaker 01

  I, I mean, there's,

• 2:20:17Speaker 01

  the level of interest there is in golf when he is playing is incalculable compared to like when it's not.

• 2:20:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:23Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:20:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 2:20:24Speaker 01

  It's like the casual look you lose who are like as Tiger playing on Sunday, unbelievable. I like golf.

• 2:20:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:20:32Amanda Dobbins?

  How did you feel about Happy Gilmore 2?

• 2:20:34Speaker 01

  I didn't see it.

• 2:20:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:20:35Speaker 01

  Should I see that before the Best of the Year pod? I appreciate you guys letting me participate, even though I haven't seen some of these classic films this year. Like Happy Gilmore 2.

• 2:20:43Sean Fennessey?

  I wonder what you'll make of Sensient Value 2, or Sentimental Value.

• 2:20:47Speaker 01

  Is it okay if I haven't seen Sentimental Value 1 before I see 2?

• 2:20:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but 2 is a prequel, so it's okay.

• 2:20:53Speaker 01

  Is it, so, so, and Scar's just playing his and/or character, right?

• 2:20:57Sean Fennessey?

  No, he's playing the professor from Good Will Hunting in Sentimental Value. He wears his Fields Medal the whole time.

• 2:21:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:21:08Speaker 01

  This is a very long sequence.

• 2:21:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Oh.

• 2:21:12Speaker 01

  None of these people have any moral compunction about what they're doing?

• 2:21:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Seems like it's a no.

• 2:21:18Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it's almost an allegory for how we treat those who are different from us.

• 2:21:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:24Sean Fennessey?

  And I think these people-

• 2:21:26Amanda Dobbins?

  And the natural world also.

• 2:21:28Sean Fennessey?

  And they all work for a military industrial corporation.

• 2:21:34Sean Fennessey?

  They capture creatures. This is what we do to real sea life in our world.

• 2:21:41Speaker 01

  Spider, you rat. You better redeem yourself, man.

• 2:21:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's been like 2 hours and 15 minutes at least, Spider.

• 2:21:48Sean Fennessey?

  What's he supposed to do?

• 2:21:50Sean Fennessey?

  He's powerless.

• 2:21:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Grow a pair?

• 2:21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, speak up.

• 2:21:52Sean Fennessey?

  You guys are bullying Spider.

• 2:21:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:54Speaker 01

  Practice political journalism the Amanda Dobbins way.

• 2:21:57Sean Fennessey?

  He's just a kid, dude. He can grow up to be Ryan Lizza one day.

• 2:22:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And not-

• 2:22:01Speaker 01

  Start a Substack.

• 2:22:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh my god.

• 2:22:09Speaker 01

  So what's the idea here? They're capturing them to get Sully, or they're capturing them to study their bodies, or what?

• 2:22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Why do they want Sully back? Revenge?

• 2:22:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, and also that he is kind of like a symbol for betraying the human race.

• 2:22:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's right.

• 2:22:27Speaker 01

  But how is, but Steven Lang is like Na'vi. It's like, you and me were not so different? Like, what's going on?

• 2:22:31Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he's a clone. He's not actually a human consciousness proper. So I guess they can argue it a way that in order to defeat the Na'vi, you must become like the Na'vi.

• 2:22:44Amanda Dobbins?

  This is sad. They're tying up children. Don't like that.

• 2:22:47Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, in the political environment, this is pretty serious stuff. Practically one battle.

• 2:22:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:54Sean Fennessey?

  I think you're making a joke, but I think it's, this is what genre is for.

• 2:22:59Amanda Dobbins?

  You're totally right.

• 2:23:00Sean Fennessey?

  To confront people with these ideas in ways that are entertaining and then they start to realize that this is evil to do this sort of thing. Yes.

• 2:23:07Amanda Dobbins?

  There are people making the connection to the real world.

• 2:23:11Sean Fennessey?

  Some people are not. It's our job as cultural commentators to point out these ideas.

• 2:23:16Amanda Dobbins?

  You are right. You are 100% right.

• 2:23:20Sean Fennessey?

  So he's got his seeds. Yeah. He's mad as shit.

• 2:23:26Sean Fennessey?

  One of the interesting tensions of the movie for real for me is this guy is an ex-marine who's really good at shooting people, but who has been thrust into a world where pacifism in connection to the world is definitional to their lives.

• 2:23:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Much like James Cameron.

• 2:23:43Sean Fennessey?

  It's totally a reflection of his point of view.

• 2:23:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Moved from Los Angeles where he was, you know, the weapons king and trained in all the guns. And now in New Zealand, he says in that piece, there are no, there are no guns. I don't need it anymore.

• 2:24:00Sean Fennessey?

  There's a lot of things in these movies. I mean, also, this is a movie about a guy who's like, I wasn't a good father and I'm trying to get better.

• 2:24:10Amanda Dobbins?

  You relate?

• 2:24:11Sean Fennessey?

  Did not get that, but I- You don't get that from Jake Sully dealing with his teenagers?

• 2:24:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I think we were talking too much about, you know, yogurt and political journalism.

• 2:24:20Sean Fennessey?

  No, I've been watching. Now I'm getting dialed.

• 2:24:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:24:24Sean Fennessey?

  We're kind of heading into the, into the best part of the movie here. He just-

• 2:24:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, we already, Pyecon is the best part of the movie.

• 2:24:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I did like Pyecon. So Winslet's mad now. This is, they're confronted with, what do they do? They have to, they have to fight back. There's no other choice in the face of these genocidal monsters. Again.

• 2:24:44Amanda Dobbins?

  So it's about American isolationism?

• 2:24:46Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:24:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:24:48Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know. I think this is, these movies are really dinged for having poor writing. And I think it's because Cameron historically is not the best writer of dialogue.

• 2:24:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:24:55Sean Fennessey?

  But I think the frameworks of his stories, while simple, are often insightful and create enough room to have these ideas.

• 2:25:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:03Sean Fennessey?

  Sit comfortably.

• 2:25:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:25:06Amanda Dobbins?

  They take.

• 2:25:06Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not trying to be pointy headed. Like, I'm being sincere.

• 2:25:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I, I don't disagree with you. I, you know, they take too much room. And I think as the films go on, he becomes more invested, not just in like.

• 2:25:16Speaker 01

  So Pyecon lurking here?

• 2:25:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:25:19Amanda Dobbins?

  But also.

• 2:25:22Amanda Dobbins?

  You know. He is enamored with his own ideas and the symbolism of his own ideas in these films and can stretch it out a little more than is totally necessary.

• 2:25:33Sean Fennessey?

  We will explore that when we talk about the new movie, for sure. It's not without fault. I just appreciate that there's someone who's trying to make big blockbusters that are about something.

• 2:25:44Speaker 01

  So do you think that the reason why?

• 2:25:48Speaker 01

  Do you think that the narrative that these movies don't have a cultural impact is one that's just been thrown at it and has happened to stick? Or do you think there's any truth to that?

• 2:25:57Sean Fennessey?

  I think there's truth to it.

• 2:25:58Speaker 01

  And why do you think that is?

• 2:25:59Sean Fennessey?

  There's not great merchandising around these movies. They're not super rewatchable. They don't have the same level of like, um, Happy Meal-ification. They're very adult films. They're very violent. They're more or less R-rated action movies. They don't, they don't appeal to kids the way that most things that have this cultural impact do. So that's a factor. Some of it is there's quite strange and maybe you're syncretic.

• 2:26:24Speaker 01

  So Pyecon's on land here.

• 2:26:25Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he's on boat.

• 2:26:26Amanda Dobbins?

  There's also, I mean, there was a 10-year, 12-year gap between the first and second installments. And this is three years.

• 2:26:36Speaker 01

  Waiting for the technology to catch up or something, or?

• 2:26:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And I think they were going through. All of the work that they needed to go through to make it the way that he wants to, which I admire, but-

• 2:26:47Sean Fennessey?

  One thing I would recommend for people who are watching this or listening to this episode is they Disney Plus just put out a two-part making of documentary about the making of this film. And it's more of a bonus feature than it is a documentary ultimately, but it explains in detail everything that they had to figure out about how to shoot on water, which is super complicated. And there's a lot of time spent with the stunt performers who pull off all of this stuff. And just the various difficulties of trying to create like water action and the way that water moves against the currents of these, you know, these creatures and the ships and all of this technology that they're basically inventing and what would be the logical science behind how those things operate.

• 2:27:30Sean Fennessey?

  There's just like so much intention and time put into thinking about it that maybe you don't get at all when you watch the movie.

• 2:27:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 2:27:35Sean Fennessey?

  But I think that in that big gap, there was a ton of, there was years where they had to kind of figure out how to execute on this. The same way that like Titanic took so long-

• 2:27:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and they're inventing like a particular-

• 2:27:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just think Titanic just has, like, it's easier to like get lost in Titanic, not because it's a real thing that happened, but because the characters wind up pulling you in.

• 2:27:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:56Speaker 01

  You can watch it for-

• 2:27:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:27:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:58Speaker 01

  For Jack and-

• 2:27:59Sean Fennessey?

  I like Titanic too.

• 2:28:00Speaker 01

  You know?

• 2:28:01Sean Fennessey?

  And I wouldn't argue that Avatar is better than Titanic, but I think Titanic has just as much terrible dialogue.

• 2:28:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, but it also has, I'm the king of the world, so.

• 2:28:11Sean Fennessey?

  Is that part good?

• 2:28:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it's memorable.

• 2:28:14Sean Fennessey?

  It is memorable.

• 2:28:14Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's, I mean, I think what, what is memorable versus-

• 2:28:17Sean Fennessey?

  Is it more memorable than I see you?

• 2:28:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, yeah, it is.

• 2:28:19Sean Fennessey?

  I disagree.

• 2:28:19Speaker 01

  What does he say, I see you?

• 2:28:22Amanda Dobbins?

  That's how they say it.

• 2:28:23Sean Fennessey?

  It's when they make their connection, like when they're like, we are connected. We are in love.

• 2:28:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, but what's memorable versus what's good is also a interesting rubric through which to discuss the films of James Cameron.

• 2:28:36Sean Fennessey?

  What's his best movie, Chris? Aliens?

• 2:28:38Speaker 01

  That's my favorite of his, yeah.

• 2:28:41Sean Fennessey?

  T2?

• 2:28:42Speaker 01

  I like Aliens more than T2.

• 2:28:44Sean Fennessey?

  You have a favorite?

• 2:28:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean Titanic, but T2 is really good, too.

• 2:28:49Sean Fennessey?

  I like them both. Coming around on Terminator, wasn't always the original Terminator guy. As I get older.

• 2:28:55Speaker 01

  Huge achievement.

• 2:28:56Sean Fennessey?

  It's pretty crazy.

• 2:28:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28:57Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty crazy what they pulled off.

• 2:29:01Sean Fennessey?

  Piranha 2? The spawning?

• 2:29:03Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay.

• 2:29:05Sean Fennessey?

  Lot of some Piranha 2 vibes.

• 2:29:07Speaker 01

  Is this the big battle? Is this the final battle?

• 2:29:09Sean Fennessey?

  I think we have more coming.

• 2:29:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I mean, at some point, it just becomes one big. Yeah, one big battle.

• 2:29:18Speaker 01

  Do you want to talk a little bit about, um, iterations in remote control design?

• 2:29:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:29:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I was at dinner with some friends a couple of weeks ago and one of my friends who works in the movie industry was like, here's the biggest thing that happened in the movie business in the last 10 years is they started putting the Netflix symbol on remote controls. And as soon as they did that, it was over.

• 2:29:40Sean Fennessey?

  Netflix won. That was the nail in the coffin for the entirety of the theatrical film business. And I thought that was fascinating. I hadn't thought about that, but putting that symbology on a physical item that you touch every day.

• 2:29:54Speaker 01

  When it goes from like tissues to Kleenex.

• 2:29:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, exactly. And it was like, this is TV now. I just thought that that was very powerful and smart and simple.

• 2:30:02Amanda Dobbins?

  It's true.

• 2:30:02Sean Fennessey?

  And kind of definitional. That was it.

• 2:30:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:30:05Sean Fennessey?

  And so on this remote, which isn't for an LG television, it has Netflix, Prime Video and Disney. But in the top left position, of course, is Netflix.

• 2:30:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:15Amanda Dobbins?

  They haven't made that functionality like any better, though, for me, user experience. I mean, the.

• 2:30:19Speaker 01

  Damn. That's work.

• 2:30:21Amanda Dobbins?

  It'd be like Thanksgiving, like at the parents' home. I know everyone's complaining about motion smoothing or whatever, but my issue is just trying to make the load a single app on the smart TV. You know, just one for five minutes.

• 2:30:36Sean Fennessey?

  It doesn't work nearly as well as it should.

• 2:30:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it does not work.

• 2:30:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, crashed it.

• 2:30:44Sean Fennessey?

  I have a wonderful 4K player at home and they put a fucking Netflix button on the 4K player. I'm like, why did I spend $800 on this fucking 4K player? You put the Netflix symbol right in the middle of this remote control?

• 2:30:57Sean Fennessey?

  What does your parents call the remote controller? Clicker? Remote?

• 2:31:00Speaker 01

  Remote.

• 2:31:00Amanda Dobbins?

  The remote, yeah.

• 2:31:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's New York. The clicker.

• 2:31:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Clicker? Yeah.

• 2:31:04Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't, I never said that.

• 2:31:05Speaker 01

  Is this Charles Milton? No.

• 2:31:08Sean Fennessey?

  It's not Charles Milton. This is a prequel to May December, though.

• 2:31:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Christopher, how do you say the word for the condiment that goes on a hot dog with mustard? Or at least on some.

• 2:31:18Speaker 01

  Ketchup?

• 2:31:19Amanda Dobbins?

  You say ketchup. Yeah. But you are from Philadelphia. Yeah, that's, that, it's the, I will, I will walk out of my home if my children start pronouncing it ketchup. Yeah, in the Philly way.

• 2:31:30Speaker 01

  They won't be speaking. They'll be texting me.

• 2:31:34Sean Fennessey?

  You'll have a Pyacon brain link with them. You guys will be communicating about how far along you are in Red Dead Redemption.

• 2:31:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, okay.

• 2:31:43Amanda Dobbins?

  So Red Dead Redemption is cowboys?

• 2:31:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's awesome. You have to like, take care of your horse.

• 2:31:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:31:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Pyacon. Fuck that guy.

• 2:31:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Go Pyacon, go, oh no.

• 2:31:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:31:55Sean Fennessey?

  Cut it.

• 2:31:55Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 2:31:56Speaker 01

  Come on, brother.

• 2:31:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, flip the, yes, flip the boat.

• 2:31:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:32:03Sean Fennessey?

  This guy is just one of the most unlikable dudes ever.

• 2:32:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it doesn't really seem like any of their life jackets are properly secured.

• 2:32:11Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, which is like.

• 2:32:12Speaker 01

  Like, I have second thoughts about this. I'm a marine biologist.

• 2:32:16Sean Fennessey?

  Well, he shouldn't be participating in the death of sea creatures.

• 2:32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:32:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, oh.

• 2:32:23Sean Fennessey?

  In theater, it's like, my soul came out of my body when that happened, when we saw it in the theater. Do you remember where we saw this? I can't remember the movie theater it was. We went together in 2022.

• 2:32:34Amanda Dobbins?

  We did?

• 2:32:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I got a gigantic soda.

• 2:32:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:32:38Sean Fennessey?

  I had to go to the bathroom like four times.

• 2:32:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess it would have been Burbank.

• 2:32:42Sean Fennessey?

  I think it was Burbank.

• 2:32:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:44Sean Fennessey?

  Saw it in 3D.

• 2:32:47Sean Fennessey?

  Shot ya cake hole gavin.

• 2:32:52Sean Fennessey?

  Have you been to South Africa, Chris?

• 2:32:54Speaker 01

  No, this guy's Australian.

• 2:32:55Sean Fennessey?

  He's Australian, okay.

• 2:32:58Sean Fennessey?

  Is he, what, is he Kiwi?

• 2:33:01Speaker 01

  No, I think he's an Aussie.

• 2:33:04Sean Fennessey?

  Jermaine is from New Zealand.

• 2:33:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Believe so, yeah. Okay, this, this vessel is in trouble.

• 2:33:10Sean Fennessey?

  This is sick.

• 2:33:10Speaker 01

  Cut him in half?

• 2:33:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, dear.

• 2:33:12Speaker 01

  Come on, dog!

• 2:33:14Sean Fennessey?

  Oh. Oh, you're not gonna like this.

• 2:33:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Rope against your go-

• 2:33:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yes!

• 2:33:20Amanda Dobbins?

  And there, the, there, the arm goes flying.

• 2:33:22Sean Fennessey?

  Detached.

• 2:33:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:24Speaker 01

  This guy really like loves the fact that everybody else died, so he became captain.

• 2:33:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. So he gets to yell abandonment.

• 2:33:31Sean Fennessey?

  I'm the captain now.

• 2:33:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that was sick. That was a cool way to board a plane, or board a-

• 2:33:36Sean Fennessey?

  I'm serious, during this part of the movie, I was like, Jim is cooking.

• 2:33:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:33:44Sean Fennessey?

  I often wonder about this, like, I find it hard to get directors to explain this specifically to me about like designing action set pieces. The only person who really does it is Stahelsky.

• 2:33:53Speaker 01

  He'll be like, this is how we did this?

• 2:33:55Sean Fennessey?

  I was thinking this, and we wanted to have this element because of this. And some of it is because like the stunt coordinators and the stunt designers do a lot of that work. But Cameron, like, he, you know, he's in the weeds.

• 2:34:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, he's very specific.

• 2:34:06Sean Fennessey?

  I'd love to hear him talk, like, do the telestrator breakdown of a scene.

• 2:34:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:34:14Speaker 01

  Is that Kiri?

• 2:34:15Amanda Dobbins?

  That is Kiri. Does she look like Sigourney Weaver to you yet?

• 2:34:17Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:34:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:34:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I remember when I first saw it, I was like, oh, that does look like Sigourney Weaver. Like, I get it.

• 2:34:25Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, top five Sigourney Weaver roles.

• 2:34:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:34:28Sean Fennessey?

  Ghostbusters, five.

• 2:34:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:34:33Speaker 01

  I mean, Ripley in Alien.

• 2:34:34Sean Fennessey?

  Well, that's one.

• 2:34:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's one, yeah.

• 2:34:36Sean Fennessey?

  Working Girl.

• 2:34:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Working Girl is definitely in there. Only four, wow. Okay.

• 2:34:40Speaker 01

  Gorge.

• 2:34:42Sean Fennessey?

  Three is The Gorge.

• 2:34:44Sean Fennessey?

  What's, what's, what's Sigourney's other best roles?

• 2:34:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Is the Gorsta Mouse tell, tell Anya Taylor-Joy one? I don't think you told me she was in that.

• 2:34:51Sean Fennessey?

  She plays evil CIA.

• 2:34:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. What about the Paul Schrader movie?

• 2:34:57Speaker 01

  She in card counter or she in?

• 2:34:58Sean Fennessey?

  She is in.

• 2:34:59Speaker 01

  Constant gardener.

• 2:35:00Sean Fennessey?

  And she is, she is not the constant gardener, uh, master gardener.

• 2:35:04Speaker 01

  Master gardener.

• 2:35:05Sean Fennessey?

  She is electrifying.

• 2:35:06Amanda Dobbins?

  He's incredible in it. And I was like, if we're gonna do Sigourney Weaver villain in a.

• 2:35:11Sean Fennessey?

  She is so good.

• 2:35:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Questionable movie released in the last five years.

• 2:35:16Sean Fennessey?

  Questionable about it to me. Galaxy Quest, that's a good one. You know, I was thinking of Copycat. That's one of the first ones that comes up. That's funny.

• 2:35:21Speaker 01

  What's up with this son here? Is he, this is a problem for him?

• 2:35:25Speaker 01

  Like the eclipse that's happening?

• 2:35:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, oh, something happens during the eclipse that they explained earlier, but I don't remember what it is. It's like they lose their powers or something.

• 2:35:33Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, no.

• 2:35:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, that's bad.

• 2:35:35Sean Fennessey?

  Right. I pushed him in the water.

• 2:35:38Sean Fennessey?

  Sigourney, not as strong a filmography as you might think.

• 2:35:43Sean Fennessey?

  She is in The Mandalorian and Grogu.

• 2:35:45Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:35:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 2:35:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Is her face?

• 2:35:48Speaker 01

  No, she's, she's, she's like their new, like, operator, I think. Like, she's sending them on missions or something.

• 2:35:54Sean Fennessey?

  Mandalorian and Grogu, you're excited, Chris, or?

• 2:35:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:35:59Speaker 01

  I'm not, man.

• 2:36:00Sean Fennessey?

  What happened? What happened, guys?

• 2:36:04Amanda Dobbins?

  So I guess you could put Avatar in it. Would you put Avatar one or two?

• 2:36:08Sean Fennessey?

  I think one.

• 2:36:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:36:10Sean Fennessey?

  Even though I like her.

• 2:36:11Speaker 01

  Oh, Spider about to catch a bullet?

• 2:36:15Amanda Dobbins?

  She plays herself in Finding Dory? Didn't know that.

• 2:36:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, she, uh, is on the screen at the aquarium. And she's like, uh, one of the guides explaining what's happening at the aquarium. I know, because I just saw Finding Dory in theaters with Alice recently.

• 2:36:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, that's nice. Her, her episode of Call Me Agent was very good.

• 2:36:36Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't seen it.

• 2:36:36Speaker 01

  The French one or?

• 2:36:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, the French one.

• 2:36:38Speaker 01

  I don't think I saw that.

• 2:36:45Speaker 01

  But Spider can't do super swimming, right?

• 2:36:48Sean Fennessey?

  He's just a regular old human. With Cora's DNA.

• 2:36:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:36:57Sean Fennessey?

  Why is all of the, um, all of the production design yellow? On these, on these vessels?

• 2:37:04Speaker 01

  I mean, probably for safety precautions, right?

• 2:37:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, color, yeah.

• 2:37:07Sean Fennessey?

  The whole thing is for safety?

• 2:37:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, so you can see it.

• 2:37:11Sean Fennessey?

  In, in the event of what? Like darkness under, under the sea?

• 2:37:14Speaker 01

  In, in, in the event of Pyrocon coming up from behind and sinking the entire-

• 2:37:19Sean Fennessey?

  Throwing his body on top of the, the vessel?

• 2:37:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, shot.

• 2:37:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no.

• 2:37:24Speaker 01

  Who's this? Who got shot?

• 2:37:26Sean Fennessey?

  This is his older brother, right?

• 2:37:28Speaker 01

  He's bleeding out, dude. Gotta get Winslet to put hands on him.

• 2:37:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Did this? Oh, the, okay, so this animal is gonna take him back where he needs to go.

• 2:37:39Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think about the Na'vi siblings all calling each other bro?

• 2:37:44Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 2:37:45Speaker 01

  Do you think in Jim's final draft script writing, he's like, comma, bro, every time?

• 2:37:50Sean Fennessey?

  That is what kids say to each other right now.

• 2:37:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:37:53Sean Fennessey?

  Like, my niece, I saw my niece in New York in October. And my niece Madeline, and she was like, she called me bro the whole weekend. Like, bro, bro, bro, check this out.

• 2:38:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:38:05Sean Fennessey?

  Just 14.

• 2:38:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's nice, you know? You're young, you're-

• 2:38:09Sean Fennessey?

  But was Jim, like, ahead of the curve on that, or, like, are all the kids copying Avatar?

• 2:38:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I, yes, I think that they watch it every night.

• 2:38:15Speaker 01

  You don't think that they think Avatar is chopped?

• 2:38:18Sean Fennessey?

  But maybe this is its cultural cachet, impact.

• 2:38:21Speaker 01

  Oh, you think that's what started bro coming back?

• 2:38:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Lo- when Loach is calling his brother bro.

• 2:38:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Alright, they're trying to save him.

• 2:38:30Sean Fennessey?

  I can't believe how little notary is in this. I'm, I'm kinda blown away.

• 2:38:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I did not remember the-

• 2:38:37Speaker 01

  This guy gonna bleed out? What happens here, man?

• 2:38:38Amanda Dobbins?

  We-

• 2:38:39Sean Fennessey?

  Watch, just keep watching.

• 2:38:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. We're not gonna spoil things for you, okay? Here comes this guy.

• 2:38:43Sean Fennessey?

  There she is. Oh, there she is.

• 2:38:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no.

• 2:38:46Sean Fennessey?

  This is really not what you want.

• 2:38:47Amanda Dobbins?

  That's very sad. Okay.

• 2:38:52Speaker 01

  To the forest?

• 2:38:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:57Sean Fennessey?

  It's got a little chill.

• 2:38:59Speaker 01

  You got a little chill?

• 2:39:01Sean Fennessey?

  I like these movies.

• 2:39:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:03Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know what to say.

• 2:39:04Speaker 01

  You're looking at me. I'm not gonna ruin them for you.

• 2:39:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I get it. I mean, it's very sad.

• 2:39:10Speaker 01

  Don't start crying, though. Don't be weird.

• 2:39:12Amanda Dobbins?

  It's sad.

• 2:39:17Sean Fennessey?

  They lost their child.

• 2:39:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, and they're human. Like, you can see Zoe Saldana. You know, they do a good job of communicating the humanness in these emotions. Yeah, so that's awful.

• 2:39:26Sean Fennessey?

  This is just like Hamlet.

• 2:39:27Speaker 01

  This is a lot like, like, a lot like Lioness.

• 2:39:30Sean Fennessey?

  Is it?

• 2:39:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, when she has to order in a drone strike on her own operative.

• 2:39:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, boy. Does she do it?

• 2:39:35Speaker 01

  First episode, dude. First few minutes.

• 2:39:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 2:39:38Speaker 01

  Sets it, sets it up.

• 2:39:39Sean Fennessey?

  Did you, did you cry?

• 2:39:40Speaker 01

  Uh. I got choked up at the part when the first Lioness joins the Marines. And they're like, why, why do you want to be a Marine? And she's just like, narrates the pamphlet back at him. And he's like, bullshit, why do you want to be a Marine? And then she's like, I was being chased, and a Marine helped me. And he's like, then you know exactly what it means to be a Marine.

• 2:40:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, that's beautiful.

• 2:40:05Sean Fennessey?

  During list that day.

• 2:40:06Speaker 01

  I started sobbing.

• 2:40:08Sean Fennessey?

  That's great.

• 2:40:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. The machine's still there.

• 2:40:13Sean Fennessey?

  Where do you think Taylor Sheridan nets out on the intention of going to Vietnam?

• 2:40:20Speaker 01

  I would love to find out with the Taylor Sheridan show about Vietnam.

• 2:40:24Sean Fennessey?

  You think he's like, good idea, wrongly executed?

• 2:40:27Speaker 01

  I, I can't, honestly, he's one of the most mysterious minds in Hollywood.

• 2:40:31Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely. Many people are saying it's extremely hard to read what he thinks.

• 2:40:34Speaker 01

  What he juxtaposes is just so wild, where he's just like.

• 2:40:38Sean Fennessey?

  Anything.

• 2:40:39Speaker 01

  Did you watch the most recent episode of Landman?

• 2:40:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Tell us.

• 2:40:42Speaker 01

  Multiple scenes of Ally Larter attempting to give Billy Bob roadhead.

• 2:40:46Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm. Sure.

• 2:40:48Speaker 01

  Juxtaposed with a chemical leak and Andy Garcia playing a.

• 2:40:52Sean Fennessey?

  Those are not juxtapositions. I'm not sure you know what that word means. There's nothing antithetical.

• 2:40:59Speaker 01

  No, they're total, total.

• 2:41:00Sean Fennessey?

  Or strikingly different.

• 2:41:02Speaker 01

  Yes, there is. Watching four men be like, I'm dying of like a chemical leak, while Ally Larter is like, baby, keep the car straight.

• 2:41:12Speaker 01

  And he's like, that's too much teeth. That's what's that said in this show.

• 2:41:18Sean Fennessey?

  Too much, I mean, too much teeth.

• 2:41:19Amanda Dobbins?

  This is like a moment of parental grief and bonding and digging, you know, deep.

• 2:41:26Sean Fennessey?

  I teared up during the scene when the kid died.

• 2:41:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, let's go get our daughters.

• 2:41:31Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, here we go. Now it's fucking revenge time.

• 2:41:33Speaker 01

  Fucking lioness time.

• 2:41:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. This is why I've been wondering where in a teary is that?

• 2:41:38Speaker 01

  They kept Zoe on the bench and now she's, yeah.

• 2:41:41Sean Fennessey?

  She's ready to fucking soar.

• 2:41:42Speaker 01

  It's Kawhi. Take the, take the minutes limit off.

• 2:41:46Sean Fennessey?

  He just completely blows out both knees in the second quarter. Kawhi, NBA great, all-timer?

• 2:41:57Speaker 01

  Great pitch man. You know, when you think about it.

• 2:41:59Sean Fennessey?

  Kawhi Leonard is a great pitch man?

• 2:42:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:03Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, he's an earner.

• 2:42:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42:04Sean Fennessey?

  Cash a lot of checks. Where are you at on, um, what's it called?

• 2:42:09Speaker 01

  Aspiration.

• 2:42:09Sean Fennessey?

  Asphyxiate?

• 2:42:12Speaker 01

  The tree planting startup that he was reportedly.

• 2:42:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:42:16Speaker 01

  Um, allegedly a spokesman for.

• 2:42:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I know what you told me the last time we talked about this on the podcast.

• 2:42:23Sean Fennessey?

  Did you ever get to the bottom of how much you invested in the company?

• 2:42:26Amanda Dobbins?

  In the tree company? Um, no, because I was digging the trees and planting them myself. There we go.

• 2:42:31Sean Fennessey?

  We know that about you.

• 2:42:32Speaker 01

  I borrowed a lot of money against my aspiration stock, so.

• 2:42:35Sean Fennessey?

  You buried it, yeah.

• 2:42:37Amanda Dobbins?

  So where does he, is he still?

• 2:42:39Sean Fennessey?

  He's a Clipper.

• 2:42:40Amanda Dobbins?

  He's a Clipper. He's still playing.

• 2:42:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, but his knees are giving him problems.

• 2:42:43Amanda Dobbins?

  The legal focus on the NBA has moved instead to, uh, to gambling and so they're not as.

• 2:42:51Speaker 01

  Uh, they've got some fires they have to put out.

• 2:42:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:53Speaker 01

  In the national basketball.

• 2:42:54Sean Fennessey?

  How do you feel about the, the health of the league?

• 2:42:56Speaker 01

  Well, I love the players, you know?

• 2:42:58Sean Fennessey?

  You love the players?

• 2:42:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm a player guy. Player first.

• 2:43:04Speaker 01

  Sorry. Don't know if that's controversial.

• 2:43:07Sean Fennessey?

  You just said it with such ease. Like it's a thing you've said many times.

• 2:43:11Speaker 01

  There's a lot of really like great young players.

• 2:43:13Sean Fennessey?

  David Falk over here.

• 2:43:17Sean Fennessey?

  I love all my guys, all my little boys that I keep in my stable.

• 2:43:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh my gosh, I was gonna choke on that water.

• 2:43:25Sean Fennessey?

  If the Knicks go to the finals.

• 2:43:27Speaker 01

  They're not, but go ahead. Yeah.

• 2:43:29Sean Fennessey?

  Why would you say that to me?

• 2:43:30Speaker 01

  You think the Knicks are going to the finals? Aren't they already beefing with each other? Don't they already hate Kat?

• 2:43:34Sean Fennessey?

  What are you talking about?

• 2:43:35Speaker 01

  Doesn't Mikhail, Mikhail hates Kat because he doesn't defend?

• 2:43:39Sean Fennessey?

  No, they're fine. They're doing, they're doing very well.

• 2:43:41Amanda Dobbins?

  How do you know?

• 2:43:42Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I guess I don't know for sure. I don't have Mikhail on speed dial. Mikhail pitches.

• 2:43:47Speaker 01

  That's what Liza needs to do.

• 2:43:48Sean Fennessey?

  Get to the bottom of this Mikhail and Kat.

• 2:43:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Then I would respect him.

• 2:43:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. That's a hard story to break. Um, I think, I think they could go to the finals. I'm not saying they would win. They would probably get their doors blown off for nothing.

• 2:44:00Speaker 01

  They'll beat the Thunder for like several years.

• 2:44:02Sean Fennessey?

  I agree with that. But if they go to the finals, like am I, I'm allowed to be excited about that, right?

• 2:44:06Speaker 01

  For sure. Of course. I would never, I don't begrudge you any sports joy at all.

• 2:44:10Sean Fennessey?

  Thanks.

• 2:44:11Speaker 01

  And you've always been honestly more supportive than you need to be of me.

• 2:44:15Sean Fennessey?

  I, I just, I just don't like the Phillies.

• 2:44:20Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:44:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:21Sean Fennessey?

  The other teams are, we're, we're good. I know if you, I, Sixers, you know, you haven't had a title in a long time.

• 2:44:26Speaker 01

  Oh, she's fucking shit up now.

• 2:44:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, this is the real line.

• 2:44:30Speaker 01

  Arrows right in their eyes.

• 2:44:31Sean Fennessey?

  She was doing this shit way before Taylor Sheridan knew about Saldana. Way before. Nateri was wrecking dudes.

• 2:44:44Speaker 01

  Is Stephen Lang still, yeah, he is there.

• 2:44:45Sean Fennessey?

  He's alive.

• 2:44:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, there is. So is this actually, is that a Zoe Saldana stunt double doing all this jumps and stuff?

• 2:44:52Sean Fennessey?

  I think she does a lot, but she, there are definitely a lot of doubles.

• 2:44:55Amanda Dobbins?

  A lot of stunt doubles as well.

• 2:44:58Sean Fennessey?

  There is a lot of attention in that documentary.

• 2:45:00Speaker 01

  I wonder if he could have gotten these movies together much faster if the Navi were just normal height. You ever think about that? That's a note I would love to give him. If the Navi were just 5'9".

• 2:45:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. That we've got a regular cadence.

• 2:45:14Sean Fennessey?

  You have a surprising amount of notes for James Cameron, the most successful director in the history of Hollywood.

• 2:45:19Speaker 01

  I've been brought in here for a purpose. I wasn't here to just kiss this movie's ass, you know?

• 2:45:22Sean Fennessey?

  That's true.

• 2:45:22Speaker 01

  I'm supposed to be the voice.

• 2:45:25Sean Fennessey?

  Thus far, is it any more like or unlike what you thought?

• 2:45:30Speaker 01

  I think this one's much more combat than I imagined and much more, like especially this last hour.

• 2:45:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:38Speaker 01

  Has been a little bit more engaging. I probably talk less because I'm a little bit more, my eyes on the screen.

• 2:45:43Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:43Speaker 01

  Because this is more up my alley.

• 2:45:46Sean Fennessey?

  I said it a couple of times.

• 2:45:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Punching each other, yeah.

• 2:45:48Sean Fennessey?

  And I think if you listen.

• 2:45:49Speaker 01

  People psychically communicating with like inanimate objects or animated, but whatever.

• 2:45:53Sean Fennessey?

  You're not as into that.

• 2:45:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:45:55Sean Fennessey?

  You don't have a spiritual inner life.

• 2:45:57Speaker 01

  That's not true. I don't know if you didn't listen to my task pods, I guess.

• 2:45:59Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't. What did you talk about?

• 2:46:01Speaker 01

  I was going down the road of reading Franciscan philosophers, Richard Rohr, you know?

• 2:46:07Sean Fennessey?

  But does that mean you have an inner spiritual life?

• 2:46:08Amanda Dobbins?

  How does that relate to task?

• 2:46:10Speaker 01

  Well, Richard Rohr's philosophy on life is that the task of life is to like discover what you're supposed to do with the second half of it after you've set up like your baseline personality and your beliefs.

• 2:46:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:46:24Speaker 01

  And then like, what do you do with that?

• 2:46:25Sean Fennessey?

  And does that correspond to how you're feeling right now?

• 2:46:27Speaker 01

  I guess so, yeah.

• 2:46:28Amanda Dobbins?

  What is your task?

• 2:46:29Speaker 01

  My task is to watch Avatar: The Way to Water.

• 2:46:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:46:34Speaker 01

  And, you know, and have experiences like this. I haven't decided yet, but my spiritual life is like an ongoing process as it is for every human, you know?

• 2:46:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, no, it's her bow.

• 2:46:43Sean Fennessey?

  Speak more about it.

• 2:46:44Speaker 01

  I'm not like, it's dead, it's out, you know?

• 2:46:46Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. You're open to new feelings?

• 2:46:48Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 2:46:49Sean Fennessey?

  Are you open to new feelings?

• 2:46:50Amanda Dobbins?

  No. I have plenty, like, all right, I'm good. Like, you know, we're at capacity.

• 2:46:56Speaker 01

  For new things. Do you think your spiritual life is topped up? The tank is full?

• 2:47:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think I have one, actually. I think I'm pretty dead inside in that way. Or the spiritual life is like all around us, you know, it's in the everyday.

• 2:47:09Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 2:47:09Amanda Dobbins?

  There we go.

• 2:47:10Sean Fennessey?

  Can I tell you something? I'm feeling an awakening coming.

• 2:47:13Speaker 01

  For you?

• 2:47:14Amanda Dobbins?

  In your spiritual life?

• 2:47:14Speaker 01

  Do you think that that will subsequently change your attitude towards cinema? Like maybe?

• 2:47:20Sean Fennessey?

  Interconnected.

• 2:47:21Speaker 01

  You'll you'll get rid of all this, all this plastic in your life.

• 2:47:24Sean Fennessey?

  No, interconnected. Art is is my spirituality.

• 2:47:26Speaker 01

  You found the one?

• 2:47:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:47:28Speaker 01

  Spiritual ideology that promotes the acquisition of DVDs.

• 2:47:35Sean Fennessey?

  No, I I.

• 2:47:36Speaker 01

  One Jesuit scholar was like, go forth and collect.

• 2:47:41Sean Fennessey?

  You you you haven't seen Wake Up Dead Man?

• 2:47:43Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:47:44Sean Fennessey?

  You've seen it?

• 2:47:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:46Sean Fennessey?

  So it's all it's all about Brian Johnson's like test of faith?

• 2:47:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:50Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and he I had him on the show, which I guess will air next week.

• 2:47:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 2:47:56Speaker 01

  Spider on the block here.

• 2:47:57Sean Fennessey?

  We don't want that. We really don't want this. This does clarify.

• 2:48:01Amanda Dobbins?

  What has Spider done for us thus far in this film?

• 2:48:06Sean Fennessey?

  He's just shown a discomfort with the aggression.

• 2:48:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:48:10Sean Fennessey?

  Of his clone father's tendencies. And also, we know that he grew up with these kids.

• 2:48:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:17Sean Fennessey?

  Right? So he's he's he's connected to them. He doesn't want to be killed by Neteri, that's for sure.

• 2:48:22Sean Fennessey?

  Very quickly on the Ryan Johnson thing, my mom was extremely spiritual in the second half of her life. And one thing I shared with him is that she became very close friends with a priest. And then like I would come home from school and the priest would just be there hanging out with my mom. And I'd be like, this is so strange.

• 2:48:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that is weird.

• 2:48:37Sean Fennessey?

  But I was thinking about her opening her mind.

• 2:48:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 2:48:41Sean Fennessey?

  In the second half of her life.

• 2:48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:42Sean Fennessey?

  And being more open to

• 2:48:43Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful.

• 2:48:44Sean Fennessey?

  changing feelings. So I like what you're saying.

• 2:48:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:48:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:48:47Sean Fennessey?

  You never know. I don't really like the Catholic Church specifically.

• 2:48:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, that's the other thing is that like.

• 2:48:52Sean Fennessey?

  Spirituality.

• 2:48:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm fine with that. Can you point to an organized religion of any kind where it's like at the end of the day, I'm like?

• 2:49:00Speaker 01

  I think the.

• 2:49:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Quakers got a lot going for them.

• 2:49:02Sean Fennessey?

  Lutherans are nice.

• 2:49:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Eh, I don't know. I grew up with some Lutherans, so.

• 2:49:08Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 2:49:09Amanda Dobbins?

  You know.

• 2:49:09Sean Fennessey?

  With Martin Luther?

• 2:49:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, him. Mm hmm.

• 2:49:12Sean Fennessey?

  He was he had he had a lot of problems, a lot of ideas.

• 2:49:15Speaker 01

  Oh, so they got their whole squad back. Where's Spider?

• 2:49:20Speaker 01

  You can't let this dude live.

• 2:49:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay, here they go.

• 2:49:29Sean Fennessey?

  This is a former corporal and a Colonel in hand to hand combat in the V bodies. Very normal movie.

• 2:49:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, while other people are swimming around and fire a ring of fire on water.

• 2:49:41Speaker 01

  Speaking of fire in the water, watched Dunkirk again.

• 2:49:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:45Speaker 01

  Still goaded.

• 2:49:47Sean Fennessey?

  Did you see QT's list?

• 2:49:48Speaker 01

  I sure did.

• 2:49:49Sean Fennessey?

  What'd you think?

• 2:49:49Speaker 01

  I was, I was like, you and I are smoking.

• 2:49:51Amanda Dobbins?

  It's 10 through 1. Oh, hold on.

• 2:49:53Speaker 01

  The same brand of cigarettes, my brother.

• 2:49:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Googling, right?

• 2:49:55Sean Fennessey?

  You and Quentin. Well, I mean, that, that.

• 2:49:57Speaker 01

  I would not put Black Hawk number one.

• 2:49:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that drop was very CR.

• 2:50:01Speaker 01

  But I was like, I see you and I understand you.

• 2:50:03Sean Fennessey?

  But some real, some real, if you go through the Ringer archives, you know, we did Unstoppable and Dunkirk with him on the rewatchable. So no surprise to see those.

• 2:50:12Speaker 01

  I was surprised to, I didn't know, I thought he was social network over Zodiac and I was interested to see.

• 2:50:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Pretty good. This is good.

• 2:50:20Sean Fennessey?

  We, we specifically have talked to him about that over which is bad. I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a fierce debate. Toy Story 3, he's been talking about that for years. He loves that movie.

• 2:50:31Sean Fennessey?

  Some interesting, some major idiosyncratic picks, but I thought it was, I thought it was cool.

• 2:50:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Good job.

• 2:50:39Speaker 01

  What do you think about Midnight Paris?

• 2:50:40Speaker 01

  Did you agree with him about his take that Martin Scorsese hasn't made a movie in the 21st century as good as West Side Story?

• 2:50:46Sean Fennessey?

  I don't. I don't, but I think.

• 2:50:52Sean Fennessey?

  I think Silence is wildly underrated.

• 2:50:55Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 2:50:56Sean Fennessey?

  And I, I would love to know what Quinn thinks about Silence.

• 2:51:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:51:01Sean Fennessey?

  Cause it's not doing the thing that. You know, West Side Story is doing a thing that Wolf and.

• 2:51:05Speaker 01

  This dude just loves fucking killers.

• 2:51:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Jack just sent me a, a Paul Dano quote, a quote from Quentin.

• 2:51:12Sean Fennessey?

  I heard it.

• 2:51:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna read it now.

• 2:51:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's very severe.

• 2:51:16Amanda Dobbins?

  There Will Be Blood would stand a good chance of being number one or number two if it didn't have a big giant flaw in it. And the flaw is Paul Dano. Obviously it's supposed to be a two-hander, but it's also drastically obvious that it's not a two-hander. Dano is weak sauce man. He is the weak sister. Austin Butler would have been wonderful in that role. Wow. It keeps going. So I think, listen, I like Paul Dano very much. Wildlife, wonderful film.

• 2:51:42Sean Fennessey?

  Paul Dano is a phenomenal actor, one of the best actors of his generation.

• 2:51:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't think that he worked in um The Wizard of the Kremlin, which is the Olivier S movie starring Vladimir Putin. I did, I saw it in Venice, yeah.

• 2:51:58Sean Fennessey?

  About to be CR's best of 2026. Jude Law as Putin.

• 2:52:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I, you know, I didn't think Paul Dano was the perfect casting for that.

• 2:52:07Speaker 01

  You didn't?

• 2:52:07Amanda Dobbins?

  No. Um, but all right, everybody's entitled to their opinion.

• 2:52:14Sean Fennessey?

  I love, I love Paul Dano, in that movie especially. So I don't agree.

• 2:52:19Speaker 01

  What are we getting? What's big next year?

• 2:52:22Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 2:52:24Sean Fennessey?

  What's a big movie that's coming out? I mean, The Odyssey is coming out.

• 2:52:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:28Speaker 01

  Oh, that's, that's.

• 2:52:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Will you go see this for the like five minute featurette? Will you go see the new Avatar for the five minute? Okay.

• 2:52:34Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna watch the five minute.

• 2:52:35Sean Fennessey?

  That's not worth $20 to you?

• 2:52:37Speaker 01

  No, it's not about money. It's about purity of experience.

• 2:52:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:52:40Sean Fennessey?

  You want to be able to, you won't watch the trailer?

• 2:52:42Speaker 01

  I watched the teaser. I guess I'll watch the trailer. I don't want certain things spoiled for me.

• 2:52:48Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 2:52:49Speaker 01

  I don't want to see the sirens until I walk into an IMAX movie theater.

• 2:52:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm with him.

• 2:52:53Sean Fennessey?

  Who's playing the sirens?

• 2:52:55Speaker 01

  Uh, Sydney Sweeney cloned.

• 2:52:59Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 2:53:00Speaker 01

  Did you not, you didn't read about that?

• 2:53:01Sean Fennessey?

  But it's Navi sirens, right? This is a very protracted final battle between Korich.

• 2:53:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, now they're underwater punching each other?

• 2:53:12Speaker 01

  Korich breathed underwater? He hasn't had this kind of training.

• 2:53:15Sean Fennessey?

  Very good point.

• 2:53:16Speaker 01

  Oh shit, fucking sleeper hold.

• 2:53:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's like Roddy Piper down there. Trying to put him out. You know about Roddy, Roddy Piper? You familiar with his work?

• 2:53:24Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but I have to sign up for a parent teacher conference right now because I missed them and.

• 2:53:30Sean Fennessey?

  Can that wait like nine minutes until the movie is over?

• 2:53:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, do you want me to be able to podcast next week?

• 2:53:34Speaker 01

  You know what? I just saw this week that I really loved.

• 2:53:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Like I can, I can be here doing this work or I can get a good spot.

• 2:53:42Sean Fennessey?

  I already did my.

• 2:53:42Speaker 01

  You know what I really loved that I saw this week that has a great fight scene? And a great sleeper hold?

• 2:53:47Sean Fennessey?

  What's on?

• 2:53:47Speaker 01

  Splitsville?

• 2:53:49Sean Fennessey?

  Oh yeah, it was fun.

• 2:53:50Speaker 01

  Really good fight scene.

• 2:53:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Very, very like elaborate stunt work.

• 2:53:55Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 2:53:56Sean Fennessey?

  Right? A lot like smashing through glass tables. Yeah, I like those guys. They're really funny.

• 2:54:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:54:00Sean Fennessey?

  Very amusing to be like, yeah, we absolutely are married to Adriana Arhona and Dakota Johnson. Just straight up hilarious.

• 2:54:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I enjoyed that one.

• 2:54:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:54:08Sean Fennessey?

  It's a fun movie.

• 2:54:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so they're swimming under the fire. And he's-

• 2:54:17Speaker 01

  Oh, Jake's also gotta learn-

• 2:54:19Sean Fennessey?

  He also can't breathe underwater.

• 2:54:20Speaker 01

  Did Stephen Lang get out?

• 2:54:21Sean Fennessey?

  He did.

• 2:54:22Amanda Dobbins?

  He didn't do the Kate Winslet training.

• 2:54:25Amanda Dobbins?

  This would be you, Chris. Twenty seconds.

• 2:54:27Speaker 01

  Oh, so Stephen Lang lives to fight another day? That sucks, dude.

• 2:54:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just gonna keep watching the movies.

• 2:54:33Sean Fennessey?

  You need him to die?

• 2:54:35Speaker 01

  Well, I assume this is gonna happen in three, right?

• 2:54:37Sean Fennessey?

  What's gonna happen?

• 2:54:37Speaker 01

  That he gets Vadered or Palpatined?

• 2:54:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm. Okay, so now they're under-

• 2:54:44Sean Fennessey?

  You'll have to see when you go to see the Odyssey trailer.

• 2:54:46Amanda Dobbins?

  A wreckage. And then... You know? This is a pretty long underwater stunt. At some point, the novelty wears off.

• 2:54:56Speaker 01

  It would be really funny-

• 2:54:57Amanda Dobbins?

  For underwater stuff.

• 2:54:58Sean Fennessey?

  This is a very long sequence.

• 2:54:59Speaker 01

  A very funny sketch would be, I get middle row, middle of the row for the middle row of an IMAX theater-

• 2:55:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 2:55:09Speaker 01

  And after the Odyssey trailer, protractively climb over every single person to get out so I don't watch Avatar: Fire and Ash.

• 2:55:18Amanda Dobbins?

  You should go at like the 8 a.m. screening as well.

• 2:55:21Speaker 01

  Oh, I guess so, yeah.

• 2:55:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, they've got Jake.

• 2:55:26Sean Fennessey?

  Just want you guys to know that this is what happens to me these days.

• 2:55:28Speaker 01

  What?

• 2:55:28Sean Fennessey?

  I get a text from a friend-

• 2:55:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:31Sean Fennessey?

  Who works in the industry.

• 2:55:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:33Sean Fennessey?

  Someone I haven't talked to in a few weeks.

• 2:55:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:55:35Sean Fennessey?

  This has happened a couple of times.

• 2:55:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:55:38Sean Fennessey?

  And he just says, "I'm hearing it's Netflix."

• 2:55:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:55:42Speaker 01

  Oh, about Warner Brothers and stuff?

• 2:55:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Alright.

• 2:55:44Sean Fennessey?

  And like, I don't, you know, maybe it's true, maybe it's not. It's just a rumor.

• 2:55:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Well...

• 2:55:50Sean Fennessey?

  This is just what it's like now, you know?

• 2:55:52Amanda Dobbins?

  That's cool.

• 2:55:53Sean Fennessey?

  Every day.

• 2:55:53Speaker 01

  I don't think, uh...

• 2:55:56Speaker 01

  I don't think Trump's gonna let that happen, right?

• 2:55:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Is he?

• 2:55:59Sean Fennessey?

  He might be out of office by the time this thing closes.

• 2:56:00Speaker 01

  That's true. We gotta go to court in Delaware.

• 2:56:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's gonna take two and a half years.

• 2:56:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so.

• 2:56:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Alright, so, I don't even, who is, who's helping who right now?

• 2:56:12Sean Fennessey?

  He thought it was his dead son.

• 2:56:13Speaker 01

  Oh, he thought he was gonna have-

• 2:56:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's actually a low-octane, yeah.

• 2:56:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:56:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, oh.

• 2:56:21Sean Fennessey?

  He's a tough dad. Yeah, he's not even giving his kid a fucking piece.

• 2:56:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:26Sean Fennessey?

  He must have been raised in a challenging environment, right? Spider, man, what about you?

• 2:56:33Sean Fennessey?

  That's the thing.

• 2:56:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, Spider is just kind of like around, like...

• 2:56:39Sean Fennessey?

  You see what he just did, though?

• 2:56:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but he doesn't do very much. He's just like always there being like...

• 2:56:42Sean Fennessey?

  He just saved courage.

• 2:56:43Amanda Dobbins?

  He's just like, "I'm so sorry."

• 2:56:44Sean Fennessey?

  He did, his own dad? That's who he just dragged up to the shore.

• 2:56:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well...

• 2:56:47Sean Fennessey?

  Are you serious? Yeah. This goes back in the... Spider's back out of my cool book now. Well, these stories are complicated, man. It's not that simple. That's the Na'vi clone of his own father. Yeah. What would you do? Your sincerity is throwing me off. There's gotta be something in this world that you believe in. And if it's not God...

• 2:57:10Amanda Dobbins?

  What do I believe in?

• 2:57:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yogurt. Yeah.

• 2:57:15Amanda Dobbins?

  That much?

• 2:57:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:57:19Sean Fennessey?

  Come on, this brings... These movies bring this out of us, you know? You're confronting your fears. This is kind of silly, though.

• 2:57:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, so what's she confronting right now?

• 2:57:29Sean Fennessey?

  She's channeling A'wah.

• 2:57:31Amanda Dobbins?

  But she can't, or else she's gonna have a seizure.

• 2:57:33Sean Fennessey?

  Well, no, but she is connected to the...

• 2:57:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Also...

• 2:57:35Sean Fennessey?

  To the natural mystical world.

• 2:57:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, and...

• 2:57:39Sean Fennessey?

  Hiri.

• 2:57:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Who is that?

• 2:57:41Sean Fennessey?

  That's Jake and Lo'ak, his son. Oh, because Lo'ak's like, "I got...

• 2:57:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:57:45Sean Fennessey?

  I've kind of mastered this whole water thing." Yes, he can... He knows how to swim underwater with Pi'akon. He's a master of the sea.

• 2:57:53Sean Fennessey?

  Hiri is like, "We need the... We need the natural world and the spirits of A'wah to save my family." And where's Sigourney Wallace this happening? Like, the Sigourney, the human part of her?

• 2:58:02Amanda Dobbins?

  She's dead in gel.

• 2:58:03Sean Fennessey?

  Floating in like a gel bubble. Okay, and Rebisi is back on Earth? Yeah, he's furiously masturbating right now. No, he's practicing his putting. Oh, he's fixing cameras. You know, I really want to have him on the show. Let's talk about just that.

• 2:58:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Just about Fist Division?

• 2:58:19Sean Fennessey?

  Just about the camera stuff.

• 2:58:21Amanda Dobbins?

  That seems cool.

• 2:58:22Sean Fennessey?

  You think that would be interesting?

• 2:58:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I do.

• 2:58:24Speaker 01

  Do you think he has a line where it's like, you know, because Euphoria is shooting in Vista Vision?

• 2:58:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, I heard.

• 2:58:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my God, it is? I did not hear that. Okay, everybody.

• 2:58:31Speaker 01

  Like, how shitty does the movie have to be where they're like, but we're gonna shoot on Vista Vision? And is he like, I'm not gonna fix the cameras for you, I'm sorry?

• 2:58:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that's funny.

• 2:58:38Speaker 01

  Like Ballerina 2, you know?

• 2:58:41Sean Fennessey?

  I, um, I was just on the Pure Cinema Podcast last week to talk about the new Beverly December calendar, and there was a movie on the calendar that was shot in Vista Vision. And it kind of like, it speaks to, but also a little bit undermines what you're describing. A movie, it's a Humphrey Bogart movie called, shoot, what is the movie? We're No Angels.

• 2:59:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Magic jellyfish.

• 2:59:07Sean Fennessey?

  It's.

• 2:59:08Amanda Dobbins?

  And now Nateri's wearing it.

• 2:59:10Sean Fennessey?

  Bogart, Aldo Ray, and Peter Usinov play three escaped convicts from Devil's Island who basically like kidnap slash befriend a shopkeeper and his family over Christmas.

• 2:59:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 2:59:21Sean Fennessey?

  And it's just like an all-in-one location Christmas movie. Fun movie, I liked it. Shot on Vista Vision. It's not really terribly cinematic at all. It's just like, once upon a time, it was a format that just was like standard for its time. So it's not like so crazy to do that, but when you do use it for one battle, or you use it for the brutalist, you expect that it's gonna be. And now a bunch of other movies, what other? There's a couple of other filmmakers who are using it now.

• 2:59:44Speaker 01

  Well, Brady Corbe is gonna make a four-hour movie with it, right?

• 2:59:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, that's what he says. Rated X.

• 2:59:50Amanda Dobbins?

  We are doing like a lot of James Cameron greatest hits in this one. Like, we had The Terminator 2, we had a lot of Aliens, we had The Terminator 2: Section, now we're doing some Titanic.

• 2:59:59Sean Fennessey?

  Let me ask you a question about that.

• 3:00:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:01Sean Fennessey?

  So like, late style, right?

• 3:00:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:02Sean Fennessey?

  Where a filmmaker is like, fuck your criticisms of like, I'm repeating myself, this is my thing.

• 3:00:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:00:08Sean Fennessey?

  Do you like that?

• 3:00:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, of course. I mean, I think.

• 3:00:12Speaker 01

  I like it when it's in a more contained package, yes.

• 3:00:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it can be done poorly, and it can be done well, but I think that you're not repeating yourself, you're investigating your interests, whether they are thematic or, I mean, like, he is, he is doing the settings and conflicts of movies that he's done before, but all of this is like new tech, right? So, and like, set in a totally different world, so he's not repeating himself.

• 3:00:36Speaker 01

  Is it all applicable? Like, is anybody gonna use any of this technology to tell their stories?

• 3:00:40Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's hard for anybody to get $500 million from Disney to make these movies. So at this scale, I think it will be a challenge. But like, to me, the Nolans and the Villeneves are in the tradition of Cameron.

• 3:00:52Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 3:00:52Sean Fennessey?

  Which is like, we can go really big. And we really are trying to do something new.

• 3:00:56Speaker 01

  If you want me to be honest, here's what I think. Is that so many of these stories that are essentially creating fantasy mythologies, you, it really is, it's the buffet and you pick which one tastes good to you. This one doesn't for me, but I have ones that you're like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 3:01:13Sean Fennessey?

  What's an example of that?

• 3:01:15Speaker 01

  Uh, I probably was more into Thrones than you.

• 3:01:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I liked it though.

• 3:01:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:20Speaker 01

  Like, um.

• 3:01:21Sean Fennessey?

  I definitely wasn't like, I'm not watching that.

• 3:01:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I was in and out.

• 3:01:25Speaker 01

  Fair enough.

• 3:01:26Sean Fennessey?

  I, I'm genuinely curious because

• 3:01:30Sean Fennessey?

  it's not so far afield from stuff that you like, which is why I find it so interesting. And even Amanda, who's very skeptical of this stuff historically, is like, I find things to like in the Avatar movies.

• 3:01:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 3:01:40Speaker 01

  I found things to like in this.

• 3:01:41Amanda Dobbins?

  In the first two.

• 3:01:43Sean Fennessey?

  In the first, yeah, yeah.

• 3:01:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:01:43Sean Fennessey?

  You'd be less high on the third.

• 3:01:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:01:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:01:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Spoiler alert.

• 3:01:46Speaker 01

  Embargo broken.

• 3:01:48Amanda Dobbins?

  The embargo is broken. So is this a social reaction? We're being social.

• 3:01:54Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, yeah.

• 3:01:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I, yeah.

• 3:01:56Speaker 01

  If they find that three hours into this podcast, you've expressed some doubts about the third Avatar movie, I think.

• 3:02:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I think, I think they're gonna be okay with it.

• 3:02:03Sean Fennessey?

  I have some doubts too, but there's things I loved about it as well.

• 3:02:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so now he's saved his dad.

• 3:02:07Sean Fennessey?

  That's not a review.

• 3:02:08Amanda Dobbins?

  For the 45th time.

• 3:02:11Speaker 01

  All right, oh, I want to see this scene.

• 3:02:12Amanda Dobbins?

  And he deployed his.

• 3:02:20Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think James Cameron's time would be better spent making Predator: Badlands?

• 3:02:24Speaker 01

  Fire in the background, that's a foreshadowing.

• 3:02:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:29Sean Fennessey?

  Nicely done.

• 3:02:32Sean Fennessey?

  You're real James Wood.

• 3:02:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so his, he's gonna ride that horse way.

• 3:02:38Sean Fennessey?

  He's torn.

• 3:02:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 3:02:44Amanda Dobbins?

  He's not that torn. There he goes.

• 3:02:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:50Sean Fennessey?

  Painful.

• 3:02:51Amanda Dobbins?

  He's chosen the Navi.

• 3:02:53Sean Fennessey?

  More echoes of one battle.

• 3:02:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:02:55Sean Fennessey?

  With my real father.

• 3:02:56Speaker 01

  Betrayed them twice now.

• 3:02:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:00Sean Fennessey?

  You think a lot of people are like, I'm listening to all three hours and 12 minutes of this podcast?

• 3:03:03Speaker 01

  Well, you know, we're sundowning a little bit here, but it's okay.

• 3:03:07Sean Fennessey?

  Are we? I feel ready to go. I'll do another one.

• 3:03:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't you think that?

• 3:03:10Sean Fennessey?

  I'll do the first half right now.

• 3:03:12Amanda Dobbins?

  People listen to two hours and they went the whole way through.

• 3:03:15Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 3:03:16Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think they're doing right now?

• 3:03:17Speaker 01

  Two hours.

• 3:03:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't understand how people listen to this podcast. People go running, people watch it on their screens. People, you know, I don't, I don't know what the children are up to. I'm grateful.

• 3:03:26Speaker 01

  Long haul truckers?

• 3:03:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:28Speaker 01

  Long haul truckers, bringing American goods.

• 3:03:31Sean Fennessey?

  You think a lot of long haul truckers are checking out Big Pick?

• 3:03:33Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 3:03:34Amanda Dobbins?

  James Cameron was a long haul trucker before. Yeah. And then, and checked out.

• 3:03:38Speaker 01

  Did he tell him I saved my dad, by the way?

• 3:03:41Sean Fennessey?

  He did not communicate that.

• 3:03:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:44Speaker 01

  So.

• 3:03:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Conveniently left that out.

• 3:03:46Sean Fennessey?

  Son for a son. This is heavy shit, man.

• 3:03:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:03:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:50Speaker 01

  I feel like you're laying it on a little stick with me right now.

• 3:03:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, good. Now they're singing.

• 3:03:53Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean? I don't, I don't understand what you're saying. That's, you're missing the sincerity bone.

• 3:03:59Speaker 01

  No, that's not true at all. That's not true.

• 3:04:01Sean Fennessey?

  It's not all lioness. I want to masturbate. This is always all down to stuff. It can't be all that. It can't be this post ironic Gen X.

• 3:04:08Speaker 01

  No fucking way, dude. I'm like, I'm out here crying at Andor. You just don't know. You don't know about the revolution.

• 3:04:15Sean Fennessey?

  It's like, oh, it's actually Marxist, but Disney produced it, you know? No, man. What about being like, fuck, parents and their kids. This is deep shit.

• 3:04:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Is this a funeral?

• 3:04:26Speaker 01

  For the older, the son that, that got killed, right?

• 3:04:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely a ceremony.

• 3:04:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, we're getting back to the failures of the father.

• 3:04:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:04:40Sean Fennessey?

  I think I changed my mind. I want to, when I die, I want to go out like the boyfriend in Midsommar. In the bear suit.

• 3:04:48Speaker 01

  In the bear suit?

• 3:04:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:04:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:04:50Sean Fennessey?

  Alive.

• 3:04:50Amanda Dobbins?

  That seems good.

• 3:04:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Not the old people off the.

• 3:04:55Speaker 01

  When you go out, we're gonna do.

• 3:04:56Sean Fennessey?

  That could be fun.

• 3:04:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm, could be good, yeah.

• 3:04:57Speaker 01

  A giant, um, kind of pontoon barge of tubers in a lake in Tennessee.

• 3:05:06Sean Fennessey?

  And what do you want to do?

• 3:05:07Speaker 01

  Just to celebrate Amanda.

• 3:05:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:05:09Speaker 01

  With beers.

• 3:05:11Sean Fennessey?

  What beer do you want us to drink at your Viking funeral? Natty Light?

• 3:05:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I found some really good ones at the beer store on Thanksgiving.

• 3:05:20Speaker 01

  Are they all IPAs, though? They're like 9%?

• 3:05:22Amanda Dobbins?

  No, they had good names and stuff, and I almost sent you a bunch, but then I was like, you don't really need an update from this freezing cold beer store on Thanksgiving morning in Philadelphia.

• 3:05:29Sean Fennessey?

  They're always like Squirrel Master's machete.

• 3:05:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Hop Secutioner is still the best one.

• 3:05:34Sean Fennessey?

  That's the best one.

• 3:05:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Guys, it's a very cute little baby.

• 3:05:39Speaker 01

  We're lion kinging now.

• 3:05:40Sean Fennessey?

  How do you think you'd do with a tail, Chris?

• 3:05:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:05:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah?

• 3:05:44Speaker 01

  I think so. Yeah. I had a cat with no tail.

• 3:05:47Sean Fennessey?

  Whoa.

• 3:05:47Speaker 01

  And I think it's better to have a tail if you're among tail, tail people.

• 3:05:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 3:05:53Sean Fennessey?

  You think it's better to have a tail?

• 3:05:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, my cat kinda looked like a rabbit.

• 3:05:56Sean Fennessey?

  Did you feel, uh...

• 3:06:03Sean Fennessey?

  Did you ever feel like an outsider in your life?

• 3:06:05Speaker 01

  Sure, man. Yeah.

• 3:06:07Sean Fennessey?

  Did you?

• 3:06:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:06:08Sean Fennessey?

  When was that?

• 3:06:11Speaker 01

  Like, right now?

• 3:06:13Sean Fennessey?

  No, I'm curious.

• 3:06:14Speaker 01

  No, I mean, right now. Like, this has been really weird. You crying about Avatar.

• 3:06:19Amanda Dobbins?

  They're shaking hands.

• 3:06:20Speaker 01

  It's not what I thought was gonna happen.

• 3:06:21Amanda Dobbins?

  They're sea people now.

• 3:06:22Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't cry. Don't say that.

• 3:06:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. What happened to Pycon?

• 3:06:29Sean Fennessey?

  He's around.

• 3:06:30Speaker 01

  Creation Tree?

• 3:06:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. He helped smash the boat.

• 3:06:32Speaker 01

  Creation Tree.

• 3:06:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Spirit Tree.

• 3:06:34Speaker 01

  Spirit Tree.

• 3:06:35Sean Fennessey?

  There's Pycon.

• 3:06:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:06:37Sean Fennessey?

  He's chilling with Laura.

• 3:06:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I was just like, where is he? Yeah, I just, you know, he disappeared from the narrative for a good 45 minutes there. Okay, so they can connect to the spirit tree because it doesn't give them a seizure.

• 3:06:49Speaker 01

  She's boot, she's dialing in, and what's she gonna get?

• 3:06:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:06:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's Black Friday.

• 3:06:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:06:53Sean Fennessey?

  She's making some deals.

• 3:06:55Speaker 01

  Cyber Monday.

• 3:06:58Speaker 01

  She signed it up.

• 3:06:59Amanda Dobbins?

  You get anything good?

• 3:07:00Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, my God, you can't even believe how much physical media I got on Black Friday.

• 3:07:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, good. That's nice.

• 3:07:04Sean Fennessey?

  Insane, insane halls.

• 3:07:06Speaker 01

  Did you caught me anything?

• 3:07:08Sean Fennessey?

  I have some stuff at home for you.

• 3:07:09Speaker 01

  I have some stuff at home for you.

• 3:07:10Sean Fennessey?

  Did I tell you what I did for the Unboxing Boy gimmick?

• 3:07:12Speaker 01

  No.

• 3:07:13Sean Fennessey?

  I'll tell you when we're done. It's going up over the weekend.

• 3:07:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so now they're in the past or in the future or in the spirit world?

• 3:07:22Sean Fennessey?

  They're in the present time, right?

• 3:07:22Speaker 01

  Is it a?

• 3:07:23Amanda Dobbins?

  She connected to the spirit tree.

• 3:07:25Sean Fennessey?

  There's they're reconnecting with their child.

• 3:07:28Speaker 01

  Oh, and now he can be nice instead of giving him a fucking hard time.

• 3:07:31Sean Fennessey?

  He learned how to fish.

• 3:07:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:07:35Sean Fennessey?

  Come on, CR. This is real shit. What if you could go to the spirit world and reconnect with your dead child? This is fucking crazy stuff, man. What does that matter? You're a kid. You were a kid once.

• 3:07:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. I know.

• 3:07:47Sean Fennessey?

  You're a living, feeling person?

• 3:07:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Now, yeah. Yeah.

• 3:07:53Amanda Dobbins?

  That's very beautiful. Are there like limitations to the number of time you can go to the spirit tree?

• 3:07:59Speaker 01

  That's a great question, Amanda.

• 3:08:00Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's like a ticket situation when you go to a carnival and you run out of tickets.

• 3:08:03Speaker 01

  But even even so, it's like with any drug.

• 3:08:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you see Eternity?

• 3:08:07Sean Fennessey?

  I did.

• 3:08:07Amanda Dobbins?

  You can act there. They have tickets at the through the spirit tree.

• 3:08:11Sean Fennessey?

  Many notes about Eternity.

• 3:08:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I have so many thoughts in it.

• 3:08:14Speaker 01

  Is it doing well? It's very limited release.

• 3:08:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I think everyone should see it.

• 3:08:19Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's a catastrophic failure with some interesting things in it.

• 3:08:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that it was a very fun premise and for the first hour or 45 minutes, I was like, I'm having fun. And then they can't really.

• 3:08:30Speaker 01

  I think Miles Teller might be more interested in golfing than being in movies.

• 3:08:35Sean Fennessey?

  To his credit, in the movie Eternity, which is this is the end of Avatar, the Way of Water, by the way.

• 3:08:40Speaker 01

  So wait, wait, what did he just say to set on fire and ash?

• 3:08:43Sean Fennessey?

  Um, just that they're staying connected to the world.

• 3:08:46Speaker 01

  But he doesn't know Stephen Lang still lurks.

• 3:08:48Sean Fennessey?

  He doesn't know that. That will become very clear. Here we see, oh, man.

• 3:08:51Speaker 01

  James Cameron.

• 3:08:52Sean Fennessey?

  Fucking whales.

• 3:08:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, great. And the weekend song over the credits.

• 3:08:55Sean Fennessey?

  That was, we laughed so hard when that was revealed.

• 3:08:58Amanda Dobbins?

  That's really, really funny.

• 3:08:59Sean Fennessey?

  That was great. That's that song has just disappeared to time.

• 3:09:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, okay. So you didn't like eternity?

• 3:09:07Sean Fennessey?

  I, I, I liked Miles Teller was like, I'm just playing a grouchy old Jewish guy from New York.

• 3:09:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:14Sean Fennessey?

  Which is not really in his historical skill set.

• 3:09:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 3:09:17Sean Fennessey?

  And he was like doing the accent, pretty good accent. Is he a grouchy old Jewish guy who has now been re, like? He's an older guy who then lands in the afterlife.

• 3:09:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:09:25Sean Fennessey?

  He, he, he goes back to his, himself at his happiest time. James Cameron gives himself editing credit in this. He edits these films. Okay. What do you mean? Give himself credit? But he's like chop, he's cut. Cutting the movie. Okay. You don't scoff when Steven Soderbergh does it.

• 3:09:41Sean Fennessey?

  That's true, Sean. That's true. I'm so disappointed in you.

• 3:09:44Amanda Dobbins?

  We got some more animals.

• 3:09:45Sean Fennessey?

  Did you think I was gonna have like a road to Damascus moment with these movies? I thought, you know, your heart is different than mine.

• 3:09:57Sean Fennessey?

  This was better than I thought it was gonna be. Okay. Action sequences, some of them.

• 3:10:02Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't. It's, it's done now.

• 3:10:05Sean Fennessey?

  Is it, is it any different than you thought it would be? Not really. Not really? Not really. And would you?

• 3:10:12Amanda Dobbins?

  That's a cool fish brontosaurus.

• 3:10:14Sean Fennessey?

  Would I go see the third one? No, I know you're not, you're not gonna do that. I wasn't planning on it, but I, I feel like I should probably experience one of these movies on a big screen. My gut tells me there will not be a four and five. My gut also tells me that the movie will make significantly less than, the new one will make significantly less than this. So this made two bill? 2.3.

• 3:10:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I think, I think you're correct. Um, I think it's less of a novelty now. I don't know that the word of mouth is that great.

• 3:10:45Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think it's gonna be nearly as strong as it was for this one. It's three hours and 17 minutes.

• 3:10:50Amanda Dobbins?

  And Cameron is already shopping like the other projects he wants to do besides Avatar 4 and 5. Exactly.

• 3:10:56Sean Fennessey?

  Apparently that was all a stunt to get Disney to pay for the fourth movie.

• 3:10:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well.

• 3:11:00Sean Fennessey?

  Like his tactic is here's some other stuff I can do. Threatening to do other stuff?

• 3:11:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. You may also like Avatar. Uh, I don't know. You may, you may not.

• 3:11:10Sean Fennessey?

  We usually talk through the entire credits.

• 3:11:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:11:12Sean Fennessey?

  These credits may be quite long. Where are you? You have a dinner date?

• 3:11:14Speaker 01

  No.

• 3:11:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Original Avatar themes composed by James Horner.

• 3:11:17Speaker 01

  I have some stuff to watch tonight.

• 3:11:18Sean Fennessey?

  What do you have to watch?

• 3:11:19Speaker 01

  Um, Pluribus.

• 3:11:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:11:22Sean Fennessey?

  New Pluribus is out?

• 3:11:24Speaker 01

  Uh, we're recording tomorrow for later in the week.

• 3:11:26Sean Fennessey?

  See.

• 3:11:27Speaker 01

  Uh.

• 3:11:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, planning.

• 3:11:28Speaker 01

  I was gonna watch the finale of The Chair Company.

• 3:11:31Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't seen that yet.

• 3:11:32Speaker 01

  And I was going to watch

• 3:11:36Speaker 01

  Blue Moon.

• 3:11:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:11:39Sean Fennessey?

  It's wonderful.

• 3:11:40Amanda Dobbins?

  That's a lovely movie, a lovely film.

• 3:11:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. I watched New Valvog the other day.

• 3:11:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:11:45Sean Fennessey?

  What'd you think of that?

• 3:11:46Speaker 01

  I thought it was very charming.

• 3:11:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 3:11:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:11:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's fine.

• 3:11:50Speaker 01

  I mean, it's like, it's, it's just very, there's a cognitive dissonance between a movie that is very sweet and straightforward, that is about a movie that was so formally groundbreaking.

• 3:12:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, yeah.

• 3:12:01Speaker 01

  So, but I think maybe that's the only way you could have done that. And I, I, I just love that Linklater is like, I'm, I'm obsessed with art and artists and I want to tell the stories.

• 3:12:08Sean Fennessey?

  I like that too. It's unique to find a film with zero dramatic tension.

• 3:12:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:12:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:12:17Sean Fennessey?

  What is the dramatic tension of New Valvog? That doesn't mean that every movie has to have dramatic tension, but it's unusual to find a movie like on a, from a big studio.

• 3:12:25Speaker 01

  If anything, I, you know, I think it's like also supposed to be a, like a pamphlet about those filmmakers and introducing people to like 30 people from that era, but, uh, well,

• 3:12:39Speaker 01

  I think we learned a lot today. I mean, I think we did well, considering the length.

• 3:12:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:12:44Speaker 01

  I, I followed along with what was going on.

• 3:12:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's a fairly straightforward film.

• 3:12:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it would have been helpful to see this before Avatar Fire and Ash, you know?

• 3:12:55Sean Fennessey?

  Fully agree. However, and I'm saving this for way at the end.

• 3:12:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:01Sean Fennessey?

  Avatar 3 repeats many of the beats of Avatar 2.

• 3:13:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Much of it.

• 3:13:04Speaker 01

  Structurally, you're actually like seeing both.

• 3:13:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Both.

• 3:13:06Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:13:07Sean Fennessey?

  In a way that is

• 3:13:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Confusing.

• 3:13:10Sean Fennessey?

  somewhat confusing.

• 3:13:10Speaker 01

  So there's just like another part of Pandora that's on fire, but like on purpose.

• 3:13:14Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's not that at all. I don't want to spoil anything, but just like literally like the framework of like battles and how the

• 3:13:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:21Sean Fennessey?

  sequences are being set up and things that transpire.

• 3:13:24Speaker 01

  Now, do you think that that's uh because it's conceived as like a third and five? Or do you think it's because there's like, this is the game engine and this is what we're inside of?

• 3:13:33Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's come, I said this earlier, it's come out that he wrote two and three together and then split them up. And so it's kind of a similar to Wicked and Wicked for Good, where, you know, like splitting up Wicked and Wicked for Good made Wicked for Good so much worse.

• 3:13:46Speaker 01

  Which is apparently Craig Mason's idea.

• 3:13:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, yes.

• 3:13:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:13:50Sean Fennessey?

  Which was terrific for the movie studio and terrible for filmgoers. That movie, that movie's gonna end up making like $200 million less than the previous movie? That never happens.

• 3:13:58Speaker 01

  Is it really?

• 3:13:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 3:13:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:14:00Sean Fennessey?

  It's gonna be like 620 million or something, which

• 3:14:02Amanda Dobbins?

  People are not psyched about it.

• 3:14:03Sean Fennessey?

  They don't, they really don't like it.

• 3:14:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:14:05Speaker 01

  It's too bad.

• 3:14:08Sean Fennessey?

  But so I think because they were written together, it was kind of like the repetition of the beats was part of the original intention of the one story. And then you split it up and you're like, so I just watched Way of Water to get ready for Fire and Ash, and then I watched Fire and Ash and I was like, wow.

• 3:14:21Speaker 01

  Same movie.

• 3:14:22Sean Fennessey?

  This also features a scene with whales and ships. And you're like, we just saw that in the last movie. So it doesn't have that same novelty like you're saying, Amanda. But there's still some sequences that are incredible. The song chord.

• 3:14:36Amanda Dobbins?

  By Zoe Saldana. All right.

• 3:14:38Sean Fennessey?

  Did you know she sings a song on the soundtrack?

• 3:14:40Speaker 01

  I didn't, but she sings in uh

• 3:14:43Amanda Dobbins?

  In the film?

• 3:14:43Speaker 01

  Amelia, right?

• 3:14:44Sean Fennessey?

  Amelia Perez, yeah. But that

• 3:14:45Speaker 01

  I did see that.

• 3:14:46Sean Fennessey?

  Was that number one on your list last year? Where was that?

• 3:14:51Sean Fennessey?

  Number three.

• 3:14:52Speaker 01

  Can't remember what my top five was last year.

• 3:14:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, what was it?

• 3:14:55Sean Fennessey?

  Number one was Civil War. I'll never forget.

• 3:14:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:14:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm, yeah.

• 3:14:58Sean Fennessey?

  Best thing you've ever done.

• 3:14:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:15:00Sean Fennessey?

  So proud of you.

• 3:15:01Speaker 01

  What was, I, I, I'm, I'm worried that my top five is too chalky this year.

• 3:15:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I think mine is like unsurprising, though I've got like, I have an Amanda twist, but I'm not like-

• 3:15:15Speaker 01

  Also, it's like, I don't see you in person enough, and you really throw me off now. So like, when I was like, "What about this? Is this your top five?" And you were like, "Nope." I was like, "What? Like, who's he become? What's going on?"

• 3:15:26Sean Fennessey?

  Who's he become?

• 3:15:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. And now you're, you're, you're tearing up over the death of a Na'vi boy, you know?

• 3:15:33Speaker 01

  But you might not put weapons in your top five?

• 3:15:35Sean Fennessey?

  Have I ever made it seem like I don't love stories?

• 3:15:42Sean Fennessey?

  I love a story.

• 3:15:43Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 3:15:44Sean Fennessey?

  My whole life is getting invested in stories.

• 3:15:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 3:15:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:15:48Sean Fennessey?

  That's what it's all about.

• 3:15:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, man.

• 3:15:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's letting someone take us away on a journey.

• 3:15:52Speaker 01

  Are you crying, or is it just the lights?

• 3:15:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you just really tired?

• 3:15:56Sean Fennessey?

  What are you, no. I'm wide awake. I'm deeply engaged.

• 3:16:01Sean Fennessey?

  My eyes are open and I see you both.

• 3:16:03Speaker 01

  What's happening? Are you method acting?

• 3:16:07Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 3:16:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 3:16:08Sean Fennessey?

  Because I don't have weapons in my top five, I've changed?

• 3:16:11Amanda Dobbins?

  So it's not gonna be in your top five?

• 3:16:13Sean Fennessey?

  At the moment, it's not in my top five.

• 3:16:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 3:16:15Sean Fennessey?

  You're surprised to hear that?

• 3:16:15Speaker 01

  I just thought you were my disgusting brother, and we were like-

• 3:16:18Sean Fennessey?

  Right now, Weapons is number seven on my list.

• 3:16:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Is it, is it like, is it on Letterboxd? Is it available? Can I just go look?

• 3:16:25Sean Fennessey?

  Nope, it's on Letterboxd, but it is private.

• 3:16:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:16:29Sean Fennessey?

  And it will stay private until I've seen all the movies from this year.

• 3:16:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:16:33Speaker 01

  That's the discipline.

• 3:16:34Sean Fennessey?

  That's what I do every year. I don't know if it's the right way to do it, but it's what I do.

• 3:16:38Speaker 01

  I have to watch, you know, eight hours of, of television drama series.

• 3:16:42Sean Fennessey?

  You got some good ones this year, I feel like.

• 3:16:44Speaker 01

  My choices?

• 3:16:45Sean Fennessey?

  No, like, TV shows. I feel like this was better than last year.

• 3:16:48Speaker 01

  This was the top of the top for TV this year is among the best of the decade, at least.

• 3:16:52Amanda Dobbins?

  What were they?

• 3:16:52Sean Fennessey?

  Purvis, Task, Adolescence.

• 3:16:54Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I mean, um, Andor, The Pit.

• 3:16:58Sean Fennessey?

  Andor, yeah. Was Andor this year?

• 3:16:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:17:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 3:17:01Sean Fennessey?

  Pit, yeah. Good year.

• 3:17:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:17:03Sean Fennessey?

  That's cool.

• 3:17:04Speaker 01

  Lowdown.

• 3:17:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I still haven't seen that. I'd like to watch that.

• 3:17:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, you'd really like it.

• 3:17:08Sean Fennessey?

  I know. All my guys are on it.

• 3:17:09Speaker 01

  Stories.

• 3:17:10Sean Fennessey?

  I love a story.

• 3:17:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:17:11Sean Fennessey?

  You don't like stories?

• 3:17:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I do, and I, what I really like is when-

• 3:17:14Speaker 01

  She likes political journalism.

• 3:17:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. What I like is when people identify themselves as storytellers, you know, and then misquote John Didion in order to justify their political careers, or lack thereof.

• 3:17:25Speaker 01

  No spoiling for Beast in Me, but Claire Danes basically says, "We tell ourselves stories in order to live."

• 3:17:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sure.

• 3:17:31Speaker 01

  In Beast in Me.

• 3:17:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:17:33Sean Fennessey?

  Listen. I don't, that's not what I want someone to tell me a story. Okay.

• 3:17:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. You should say that to Alice. When she's like, Dad, read me a story. You're like, tell me a story.

• 3:17:43Sean Fennessey?

  She, she will. That's something she can do. That's amazing. It's, it is amazing. I'm, I brought my whole heart to this podcast. That was beautiful. I want to say thank you to both of you for doing this entire three hours and 15 minute recording. You're so welcome, Sean. Thank you to our producer, Jack Sanders.

• 3:18:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:18:01Sean Fennessey?

  For.

• 3:18:01Speaker 01

  Thank you, Jack.

• 3:18:02Sean Fennessey?

  Engineering and navigating this tricky situation. Um, I want to say thank you to the listeners for spending all this time with us. This is definitely the most popular episode in the history of this show as soon as it's.

• 3:18:12Speaker 01

  It'll probably do numbers.

• 3:18:14Sean Fennessey?

  You think so?

• 3:18:15Speaker 01

  Not like wicked numbers, but it'll do numbers.

• 3:18:18Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I want to say that later this week, we shall return. Yeah. With Adam Namon and we'll talk about our top five favorite films of 2025. We sure will.

• 3:18:28Speaker 01

  On Gladys voters, stay in line.

• 3:18:32Sean Fennessey?

  You're revealing titles.

• 3:18:34Speaker 01

  Just saying, you're, while you turn your back.

• 3:18:36Sean Fennessey?

  So Weapons, Black Phone 2.

• 3:18:39Speaker 01

  The Gorge.

• 3:18:40Sean Fennessey?

  The Gorge.

• 3:18:41Speaker 01

  Materialists.

• 3:18:42Sean Fennessey?

  Materialists. You've already given away four or five.

• 3:18:43Speaker 01

  Ballerina.

• 3:18:44Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 3:18:47Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. We'll see you then.