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EP. 267 - ARIZONA: THE PEDOPHILE PRISON KILLER: RICKY WASSENAAR

Murder In America

Hosted by Colin Brown and Courtney Brown

1h 24m
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This episode covers the life and crimes of Ricky Wassenaar, focusing on his involvement in the historic 2004 prison standoff in Arizona and a later 2025 multi-murder rampage inside an Arizona prison facility. Hosts Colin Brown and Courtney Brown detail Wassenaar's upbringing in Michigan, his early criminal activities, and his deep-seated paranoia and religious fixation. The narrative tracks how Wassenaar and his cellmate Stephen Coy engineered a takeover of a prison watchtower, holding two staff members hostage for 15 days in the longest prison standoff in United States history. After serving years in various states, Wassenaar was eventually transferred back to Arizona, where he launched a violent campaign targeting inmates he believed were child molesters, resulting in the deaths of Joseph DeSisto, Thorn Harnage, and Donald Lashley.

The hosts examine the systemic failures, institutional warnings, and subsequent policy debates surrounding the Arizona Department of Corrections, Rehabilitation, and Reentry. They analyze Wassenaar's motivations, including his shifting security classifications, his confessions to investigators, and the legal fallout that followed his actions. Throughout the episode, specific case files, medical examiner reports, and trial outcomes are examined to illustrate the complex challenges of long-term incarceration and prison safety.

  • Prison administrators face intense scrutiny when inmate warnings about violence and cellmate incompatibility are ignored prior to major security incidents. 1:19:55
  • Extended solitary confinement and classification changes can significantly alter how correctional facilities manage high-risk offenders over decades. 53:09
  • Hostage negotiations in correctional facilities often require balancing the immediate safety of captives with long-term security demands. 33:24

Chapters

  1. 0:00
  2. 1:29
    Episode Intro and Trigger Warning

    Hosts introduce the episode and warn listeners about graphic content.

  3. 3:34
    Ricky Wassenaar’s Early Life

    The hosts detail Ricky’s birth, family moves, and early family turmoil.

  4. 4:20
    First Criminal Act and Family Fallout

    Ricky’s father’s murder of a liquor store owner and the impact on Ricky’s upbringing.

  5. 9:48
    Ricky’s Early Criminal Record

    Ricky’s first arrest at 17 for larceny and subsequent crimes in Arizona.

  6. 15:08
    First Prison Term and Release

    Ricky serves a 15‑year sentence, gains conditional release, and attempts to rebuild his life.

  7. 22:21
    Escalation to the 2004 Prison Standoff

    Ricky and cellmate Stephen Coy plan and execute a violent escape attempt, leading to a multi‑day standoff.

  8. 33:01
    Hostage Situation and Negotiations

    The standoff involves hostages, negotiations, and escalating violence over several days.

  9. 46:19
    Resolution of the Standoff and Aftermath

    Ricky and Steven surrender, hostages are released, and legal consequences follow.

  10. 50:25
    Post‑Standoff Trials and Sentencing

    Ricky faces trial for the standoff and receives multiple life sentences; Steven pleads guilty and is sentenced.

  11. 52:34
    Ricky’s Transfer to Arizona

    Ricky Wassenaar is moved back to Arizona after a legal dispute, changing his security level and unit.

  12. 55:07
    The Plan Forms

    Ricky develops a bloody plan to kill child molesters in prison, believing it will ensure Trump’s victory.

Highlights

  • 22:21

    Beginning the Standoffstory

    Ricky Wassenaar and Stephen Coy launch their takeover during the graveyard shift, subduing staff and seizing control of the facility.

  • 45:18

    Longest Standoff Recorddata

    By day 12, the Arizona prison standoff becomes the longest in US history as negotiations stall and conditions deteriorate.

  • 1:02:29

    Confessing to Investigatorsstory

    After his cellmate's death, Wassenaar details every aspect of the murder to interrogators, expressing pride in his actions.

  • 1:11:24

    The Dining Hall Attackstory

    Wassenaar carries out a violent attack in the dining hall, targeting specific inmates before guards intervene.

  • 1:19:55

    Systemic Facility Criticismsdebate

    Critics and victim families question how a high-profile offender could commit multiple murders within a 24-hour window.

Quotes

  • “I was going to find that lawyer who bungled my case and kill him. Then I was going to kill the prosecutor and the judge.”
    Colin Brown · 15:45
  • “I fully expected to die.”
    Colin Brown · 36:36
  • “If you don't send up more supplies, I'm cutting both of their fingers off.”
    Colin Brown · 39:02
  • “Only weak people need religion to tell them what to do.”
    Courtney Brown · 7:53
  • “The fact that I did not die during all that is a miracle. God saved me, no question about that.”
    Courtney Brown · 52:18
  • “I told them, 'Don't do it. There will be consequences if you put someone in this cell with me.'”
    Colin Brown · 55:54
  • “If I would have waited until that cage was locked and we were all in there locked in, I would have killed at least seven. My goal was at least seven, but I was hoping for a baker's dozen.”
    Courtney Brown · 1:16:35
  • “I want a firing squad. I want to die like a warrior. I'm ready whenever they are.”
    Colin Brown · 1:22:38
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About this episode

By 23, Ricky Wassenaar had established himself as a career criminal, destined for a life behind bars. But no one could have possibly expected that his darkest crimes wouldn’t even begin until the cell door shut behind him. Most of our cases end with someone going to prison. But Ricky’s was just beginning. Over a 20-year period, Ricky tried to escape, staged a riot, and ultimately went on to orchestrate a series of murders, ones that ended with Ricky saying, “My only regret is that I didn’t kill more.”- Sources:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eTYeCoYyxm58DXXdoFbHQyWHlWbcH9iKGIefFcQToW4/edit?tab=t.y2yayotxnlcb Listen to our new show, "THE CONSPIRACY FILES"!: -Spotify - https://open.spotify.com/show/5IY9nWD2MYDzlSYP48nRPl -Apple Podcasts - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-conspiracy-files/id1752719844 -Amazon/Audible - https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ab1ade99-740c-46ae-8028-b2cf41eabf58/the-conspiracy-files -Pandora - https://www.pandora.com/podcast/the-conspiracy-files/PC:1001089101 -iHeart - https://iheart.com/podcast/186907423/ -PocketCast - https://pca.st/dpdyrcca -CastBox - https://castbox.fm/channel/id6193084?country=us - Stay Connected: Join the Murder in America fam in our free Facebook Community for a behind-the-scenes look, more insights and current events in the true crime world: https://www.facebook.com/groups/4365229996855701 If you want even more Murder in America bonus content, including ad-free episodes, come join us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/murderinamerica Instagram: http://instagram.com/murderinamerica/ Facebook:https://www.facebook.com/people/Murder-in-America-Podcast/100086268848682/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/MurderInAmerica TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theparanormalfiles and https://www.tiktok.com/@courtneybrowen Feeling spooky? Follow Colin as he travels state to state (and even country to country!) investigating claims of extreme paranormal activity and visiting famous haunted locations on The Paranormal Files Official Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheParanormalFilesOfficialChannel - (c) BLOOD IN THE SINK PRODUCTIONS 2026 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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Topics

  • Arizona Department of Corrections
  • ADCRR
  • Pima County Attorney's Office
  • Penal County Attorney's Office

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